In the Land of Palin.

30 08 2008

I’m off for the Labor Day weekend.  Little would I have known that my scheduled weekend away, right in the heart of Palin country (known to Alaskans as “The Valley”) would fall on the weekend she became one of our Vice Presidential nominees.  No, it still hasn’t sunk in.  I’ll be passing through Wasilla itself and will post more pictures when I return, and get some local reaction on the “day after”.   I’ll have internet access, though it will be dial-up.  Eek.

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UPDATE:  Just watched the back-to-back McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden rallies in the “rust belt”.  I was waiting to hear Palin’s second speech, but got the recycled speech from yesterday.  McCain’s intro was the same too.  Palin keeps referencing Alaska, which no doubt endears her more to her fan base here, but I keep asking myself….can people relate to Alaska gas issues?  When she talks about Juneau, do they even know that’s the capitol of Alaska? 

The most remarkable thing?  The McCain camp obviously hoped to endear themselves to the disgruntled Hillary supporters by choosing a female running mate. But when Palin saluted Hillary Clinton saying that she ran her campaign with ‘determination and grace’….there were BoosLots of them.  I’m guessing that any Hillary supporters who had tuned in to check out the McCain/Palin party didn’t feel very welcome.  I doubt that they’ll mention Hillary again on the open road.  They won’t want to risk that again.  Maybe we’ll hear it at the convention where delegates will understand it’s strategically not good to jeer at the candidate whose votes you hope to win.

Then the Obama/Biden appearance.  Looks like they’re being cautious about Palin.  Obama referred to Biden as one of the great statesmen of our times.  They didn’t even have to say Palin for everyone to make that comparison in their minds. Then Obama made reference to the fact that he’d visited every state except Alaska, and that, come to think of it, he ought to visit now.  He’s been saying this for months, but nothing firm yet.  I think it would be great.  Obama got 75% of the votes in the Democratic caucus here, and the caucus site in Anchorage was packed.  People were literally having to park 2 miles away from the caucus site and ran in 5 below zero to make it in on time.  I know many people that couldn’t even make it into the building.  I think a huge rally for Obama would go a long way to show how much support he has in Palin’s home state.

In my trip throgh the Valley today, I didn’t see any McCain signs.  I wasn’t really surprised, as McCain came in a less-than-impressive fourth in the Alaska Republican caucus.  But I’m sure when the name Palin gets added, they will pop up like mushrooms overnight.  I did see a resurrected ‘Sarah Palin for Governor’ sign in front of a store.  The shopkeep said he cried with joy when he heard the news, and that she was a good woman who supported Alaskans.  Then he said that he had given up on all those ‘liberal socialists’ and decided they may as well all be ‘queer’.  I’m hoping that this is one of the more extreme reactions, and I was really glad I took the Obama sign out of my car window before leaving home. 

The only other person I’ve talked to so far is an Independant (over 50% of Alaskan voters are Independant or registered non-partisan) who said she was stunned by the announcement and added, “But she’s not qualified!” She also said that she didn’t remember Palin standing up against the Bridge to Nowhere.

More tomorrow.

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1,268 responses

30 08 2008
kathryn jones

would love to hear your thoughts on babygate… is it wishful thinking/mud slinging or could there be truth there?

30 08 2008
Mr Moderator

Can’t wait to hear what the locals have to say about this!

30 08 2008
Jack Herman

I’m confused about this blog. What is the author trying to say? If you come from small town America, you couldn’t handle politics or succeed at the national level?
Wake up, look at history. This country and it’s successes didn’t solely originate in LA or NYC.
Has Palin been out of the country? What is the point of this comment? Should she going on the European tour as BO did?
I too have concerns about the investigation in Alaska. If true, it’s clearly and abuse of power; but so is attempting to send DOJ attack dogs against AIP.
Let’s have the investigation conclude and then call Palin on it. By the same token, BO needs to address the message in the AIP campaign ad, not attack the messenger.
But I shouldn’t comment. By the blog author’s opinion everything I say is invalid because I was reared in a small town in Kansas. Never mind that I’ve traveled to 30 plus countries in this world and have overnighted in places that would make Wasilla look like Vegas (been there too).
Let’s allow Palin to speak of her specific policy positions before tearing her down. BO refuses to provide details as he knows his ideas stand on shaky foundations.

30 08 2008
Joko

Jack:

You say: “Never mind that I’ve traveled to 30 plus countries in this world”.

Fantastic. It’s surprising McCain didn’t pick you. And I bet you’ve actually given some thought to the Iraq situation too!

30 08 2008
Twila

I love it. I’m excited about what fresh thoughts they can bring to our country. My votes decided and it has nothing to do with the fact that I’m a 44 year old woman. It’s because he’s got the history and she’s got the brains. This is a fabulous combination.

30 08 2008
Joko

“and she’s got the brains”

Twila, absolutely! I’d take a beauty queen / Journalism Major from Idaho U over a Harvard Law / constitutional scholar any day!

30 08 2008
Groundhogday

Bill Clinton came from Hope, Arkansas… a very poor and rural small town. He was also a state governor.

Key differences:
Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar who got a Law degree from Yale.
Arkansas Attorney General (2 years)
Governor of Arkansas (12 years)
Headed the national Democratic Leadership Council (2 years)
Chair of National Governors Association (2 years)
Republicans attacked Bill Clinton relentlessly in 1992 for his lack of national and international experience.

Experience is not the sole predictor of judgment and wisdom. With 50+ years of combined national/international experience, Cheney and Rumsfeld have made a complete mess of Iraq, Afganistan, and our international relationships in general. And there nothing wrong with coming from a small town (I grew up in a small Illinois farm town of 1,500 myself). But if you only left that small town 18 months ago, one might reasonably question your readiness to lead the largest nation in the world.

30 08 2008
Groundhogday

“and she’s got the brains”???

Do you really think that Palin is on par with Hillary Clinton, Kay Hutchinson, Elizabeth Dole, Condi Rice, etc…? Palin is not stupid by any means, and seems very engaging based upon the videos I’ve been able to find. But if she is providing the brains for this ticket, the Republicans are in deep, deep trouble.

30 08 2008
Twila

Joke, I mean Joko. You are obviously very passionate about this. What’s so funny is your constant sarcasm. I’ll bet these posts just make your blood boil. How’s that workin for ya?

30 08 2008
Judy Asman

My question is, if she’s known for “cleaning up” the administration in Alaska, who will she oust if McCain wins? Will she have the balls to take on an ethics investigation in D.C. or has she sold out? I’m still learning about this person.

My fear is that Americans will be so stupid as to vote for a ticket just because there’s a woman on there. I know Hillary supporters who won’t give Obama a second look, they’re the voters who scare me!

30 08 2008
Becky

I think the person responsible for this website is Wooten and or someone related to him. So much venom!

30 08 2008
Truth to Power
30 08 2008
Joko

Twila:

“I’ll bet these posts just make your blood boil”

Laughing my ass off is more like it. And “that’s workin” for me just fine, thanks!

30 08 2008
Joko

Maybe I should have said: Twat, I mean Twila.

Nah…that would make me sound like an idiot.

30 08 2008
Granny

Well, I never heard of the woman until I saw her on TV but I can tell you ONE thing: she’s a perfect example of what happens when you let a straight do your hair styling.

30 08 2008
Colin

Maybe I should have said: Twat, I mean Twila.

Nah…that would make me sound like an idiot.

No, that would make you sound like John McCain, that is what he called his wife Cindy (Different word same meaning)

30 08 2008
Indo Joe

Granny, that’s damn funny!

30 08 2008
Mockerfab4

Wow… Love the blog. While in Wasilla, can you find any people she smoked pot with?

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837534,00.html

30 08 2008
sauerkraut

Judy Asman – if she becomes VP, the first person she’ll go after will be John McCain himself. Afterall, there’s his family connections to the mafia (his father-in-law served fed pen time for mob activities and was given the beer distributorship in exchange for not ratting out his fellow mobsters) and for his role (never fully vetted) in the Lincoln Savings and Loan corruption investigation.

Palin will do to McCain as she did to Reudirth.

30 08 2008
BigSkyGirl

Groundhogday–well said. Thank you!

I’m from a small town and I also went to the U of Idaho, and I (as a woman, a mother and a patriot) couldn’t be more astonished or infuriated by McCain’s choice. Palin is totally unprepared and categorically unqualified to lead this nation.

My state education was fine, but let’s get real, the U of I ain’t Harvard or Princeton. And even in this state education context, she certainly didn’t exert herself:

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/08/university_of_idaho_professors.html

A journalism major who never even wrote an article for the school paper?? Oy.

This selection is an embarrassment to the GOP and an insult to the office of Vice President.

30 08 2008
¶ AIO

Bookmarked !!

¶ AIO

30 08 2008
Mother Who Thinks

I am a mother who thinks. I am a mother of a child – now 21 – with Down syndrome. I am an Alaskan who raised her child in Alaska (along with another kid, a husband, an education, and a job with benefits.)

IT IS THE HARDEST THING I EVER DID. It took everything I had, and more. There were highlights – but they in no way balanced the demands, frustrations, and dark nights of the soul. The impact on my nondisabled son is still being felt. My marriage effectively turned into a parenting partnership with no future that escaped the impact of having a child with significant and inescapable needs.

I was, by our society’s standards, well-equipped to cope with this unexpected aspect of parenting. It devastated me nonetheless. When my son was born I had no idea what lay ahead. It was gut-wrenching determination and motherlove that carried me forward. I still can’t count it a success.

I learned, through much hard work, how to navigate the system that we all think exists for “all” children and adults with disabilites. Had I not been intent on accessing services, finding out how agencies and regulations work, and forcing them to work for us, the outcome would have been far worse for my child, family, and self.

Had I been less able, less determined, less economically able, less educated….I don’t know how I could have survived to “make the best” of the life I had been handed. I can’t count the times I thought, “What do other parents do? I want to quit trying to make this work.”

Do I wish I could have been spared this challenge? Make that a resounding YES. Do I think that my child should have been spared the difficulties, loneliness, heartache, and exclusion that disability, by nature, means? Make that a YES too. Would I have chosen to terminate the pregnancy had I had the foreknowledge and choice? Yes, even from the other end of the trail, now that my child is grown in years but will forever remain a child, dependent, vulnerable in an uncertain world.

What disturbs me most about Sarah Palin’s choice to continue her pregnancy, knowing that her child would have Down syndrome, is that she would make that choice for me, or my sister, or my daughter, or my friends, male and female alike. No one can decide for us. Certainly not “government” who cannot be counted on to help the hundreds of thousands of those with disabilities, already and to-be-born.

Oh, and have I mentioned this? I, who through struggle and persistence and crisis, mastered the service and funding system, have a reasonably happy kid. He still and will struggle through his lifetime with mental retardation and related behavior and communication issues. He lives in federally subsidized housing, attends public school as an intensive-needs student, gets his healthcare through medicaid, and has 24 hour care from direct service providers. When you make the system work, you can build a community-based life for your child.

Only a small percentage of those who need this level of care can get it. Without advocacy, forget it. Without continued funding of education, healthcare, vocational, and independent living services, this will all go “POOF.” The waitlist, even in a small state like Alaska, has over a thousand people on it, many for years. Most languish at home with aging parents or siblings. Some are receiving “care” in corrections while they try to find someone to “take” them. Some are homeless.

My son’s cost of care is over $200,000 a year. Thank you, taxpayers. And the Chinese lenders.

Palin has delegated the care of her infant with Down syndrome to others. I don’t know how this can be done, emotionally or financially. Kudos to her if she and her family pull this off. They are well-positioned financially, socially, and politically to do this. I think that this is not an option for 99.9% of families who include children and adults with disabilites.

To take the position that EVERY American family SHOULD and MUST be denied the option to terminate a pregnancy that will result in hardship, cost, heartache, and diminished possibilities that will last a lifetime is just plain wrong. I could never support a candidate on any ticket that would take the hardline prolife position she takes. She can no more use her experience to decide for all than I can.

But it is about CHOICE. About REALITY. And no one can decide that for someone else, and force them into the netherworld of disability.

30 08 2008
halcrow

Powerfully written, Mother.

Having interacted with Down’s adults in extended-care facilities (put into care out of necessity when the parents couldn’t handle them as they grew too large to control and tend to in the family’s home) , anyone who knowingly subjects themselves, their family and a child to that bleak life is no better than a parent who retrofits their child into a “Pillow Angel”.

30 08 2008
RandomChaos

Mother Who Thinks,
Excellant Post.

30 08 2008
Smitty

Well as one of Hillary’s PUMA supporters, this one pushed me over the edge. I could no more support someone of Palins lack of depth, experience and ideology than I could stick a fork in my eye (or shoot a moose). The selection of this vindictive queen has flung me into the Obama camp with a vengeance. As a native of Northeast PA, I am one of the people that the McCain camp was courting. I am still angry about the Hillary situation. Heck, I even considered and briefly did join Ralph Nader.

No how. No way. No McCain/Palin.

30 08 2008
Sue Williams

To the person who commented on Sarah’s hair – no, it’s what happens when one has hair extensions – which Sarah, at one time, don’t know about now, had.

Re: babygate – I don’t know what’s being reported. Here, however, is the truth. Trig is Sarah and Todd’s baby.

When Sarah first learned she was pregnant, it was shocking and overwhelming. While she and Todd had not planned to have anymore children, it is common knowledge among their family and friends that neither of them ever surgically insured that they wouldn’t have any “late in life” surprises/blessings.

This, to me, showed a disturbing lack of judgement. If you want to ask the citizens of a state to let you run the state for four years, to me she and Todd should have thought ahead and determined that the possibility of an unplanned pregnancy wouldn’t have been prudent for either the child, their family, their extended family (who are the ones who end up helping them raise their current four children) or the citizens of the state.

They either didn’t think this through, or didn’t care. Not sure. But, either way, to me and to others, it was a lack of foresight and judgement.

But it is the same vein – this lack of judgement – Sarah showed, on the campaign trail for governor, when asked who would raise her children should she win, she promptly stated that Todd would quit his job and stay at home with the kids (Todd works a “Slope” week on/week off schedule).

Sarah was elected and then – whoops. Todd didn’t like the stay at home gig – so Sarah, citing they needed money for the kid’s college (even though Track enlisted in the military) said Todd was returning to work. When asked about her statements on the campaign trail about how Todd would quit his job, Sarah said she’d actually never talked to him about what they would do if she was elected (in terms of his employment) and that she’d spoken out of turn when she spoke for him stating he’d quit his job.

Again, call me picky, but this is the kind of bizarre judgement Sarah routinely displays. Are you kidding me that she would run for governor and she and her husband would somehow not think to have a conversation about what to do with their four school aged kids? That’s insane. So, either her judgement is super goofy, or she wasn’t telling the truth. Either way, it’s not reassuring to now think this is someone who would be one 72 year old heartbeat away from having to call shots for the country/world.

So Todd trots himself back to work and Sarah is busy traipsing around the state and the nation. The kids are “farmed out” (this is the word used by thier associates in “the Valley”) to family and friends to raise while Todd and Sarah are off having their respective careers (Sarah is famously quoted as saying, “My mom does whatever I need her to”).

During this period is when Bristol, Sarah’s sixteen year old daughter, turns up pregnant. So, it’s kind of interesting to note that the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee and her sixteen year old junior in high school unwed daughter were carrying babies at the same time. Once Bristol’s condition became more obvious this summer, she was whisked out of sight and hasn’t been seen in public until yesterday in Ohio. This is why Trig’s blanket was strung across her entire abdomen and torso, but, when she walked down the stairs from the stage, in a profile shot, it was very clear to see she is well into her third trimester of her pregnancy.

It has come out in the past couple of days that she and her high school boyfriend had a quickie wedding and that she is home schooling her senior year.

The Anchorage Daily News has known about this for months – and haven’t touched the story. But I can’t imagine the national press or the Democratic Party will be as willing to turn a blind eye.

For me, once again it speaks to judgement. We all – every single one of us – even Sarah’s closest friends in the Valley (I know, I’ve been speaking to them) know she is in no way qualified for this position. At all.

But then, why would she accept the nomination, knowing that Bristol’s situation will come to light and knowing her hunger for national and international acclaim and attention will carry with it a mighty high price for her seventeen year old daughter who had absent parents last year and who turned up pregnant.

How embarrassing will it be for Bristol once the news (or the baby) comes out and not just the Valley, not just Alaska, not just the USA – but Bristol will be known the world over as the seventeen year old unwed – then quickly wed senior-in-high-school-homeschooled-teenage mom and daughter to the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee?

How hard will that degree of scrutiny and shame be?

How does one do that to one’s daughter?

How does one dash about the country for the next 66 days trying to pull off an image of the devoted mother of five when she, by and large, isn’t the one raising them and when one of them – her daughter, is in a truly vulnerable point in life; not to say anything about the needs of Trig. But maybe he doesn’t count, except as a talking point or a photo prop. But this is a person, a little boy who is going to require a tremendous amount of time and attention. From his mother.

This is okay?

30 08 2008
Leslie

This isn’t going to have a pretty ending.

30 08 2008
One Love

Ok. If Palin’s daughter is pregnant, it’s really none of our business. People like you are the reason why the Democratic Party loses each election.

30 08 2008
Smitty

The stories abound about Trig being Bristols baby, Bristol is pregnant again, Sara never being pregnant. How much of this is truth and how much is slander?

Personally I don’t think having children is scandalous even if you aren’t married. If Sara is just trying to be a supportive Mom, kudos. But if all of this is being lied about and hidden, then it is a problem. I do have reservations about knowingly having a child with Down’s syndrome and I am sort of pro-life (with a few exceptions) just as I am anti death penalty (again with severe reservations).
The hypocrisy and lying is the issue here if there is a “here” here. It appears as if Gov. Palins personal and family life is one big messy flotsam regarding her vendetta against her brother in law, deserved or not, along with the weirdness about the pregnancy(ies?)

30 08 2008
CD McCurry

This blog should be renamed the “Alaskan Democratic Party Blog”. Anyone with any intelligence at all would realize that Sarah’s ratings do not reflect the venom shown here. I would think that by now even the demo’s would realize that it is lawyers, a lot of them from the big name law schools, that have screwed up this country for years. A regular person who is just like the rest of us will probably use more sense and have better results than our lawyer politicos. As for the “Troopergate” thing that is going on, a lot of Alaskans such as myself are asking, why is someone who has had domestic volience charges filed, illegally sot a moose, tasered an 11 year old (no matter the circumstances), threatened the Palin family and was driving drunk, still serving as a trooper? My feelings is that both he and his boss should have been fired.

30 08 2008
MHammon

Sue,

Is this true? I like the pick for McInsane but I do not understand it. She has no experience on the national scene and only limited in AK. This just makes no sense.

Thank you,

MHammon

30 08 2008
Sue Williams

Hello One Love. I live in this Valley. I know the Heath/Palin families. I am a proud Republican. And I’m a conservative. Frankly, if Democrats realized how socialistic and liberal Sarah is in her governing stances, probably they’d welcome her on the ticket.

My points were directed at her judgement. I do not trust Sarah’s judgement.

Just like her decision, once her water broke while, according to her, she was in the middle of delivering an address in Texas, and she decided she “just couldn’t deliver her baby in Texas,” so she hopped on two flights and flew for ten hours plus back to Alaska where Trig was born just a couple hours later.

She is 44. She knew she had a medically classified high risk pregnancy. She knew she was carrying a special needs baby. She knew she was in active labor one month prior to her due date. She knew her water had broken (which means she is in what is considered medically active labor) when she chose to put herself on two long flights.

This is sound judgement?

This is not sound judgement.

I will not vote for Sarah to be one heart beat away from having to make decisions that effect every citizen of our country on matters of national security. She has demonstrated to me that she is faulty in making decisions of security and safety when it comes to her own children.

30 08 2008
Smitty

Most of us are pretty tired of the “regular person” approach to running the country. Big name schools don’t mean much if you are at the bottom of your class (both Bush & McCain barely graduated Yale and the Naval Academy with help from their fathers). I prefer smart people running things and who have enough sense to hire the smartest person for the job, not the one you want to have a beer or shoot a moose with. We’ve had enough with the lowest common denominators.

In fairness to the trooper, most of the charges were put by Palin and her sister and were unsubstantiated. There are more than one side to the stories. According to court papers, Palins father and ex wife were there on the moose hunt and Palins dad butchered and distributed the game to the family, Sara included and the charge was filed 2 years after the incident during the custody battle. It is my understanding that the test-tasered boy, now 17, has chosen to live with his dad, the trooper and that charge was brought 2 years after the incident as well.

30 08 2008
mirty

In the game of Chess sometimes an opponent will make the most moronic move possible to confound and confuse the other player. McCain has made just such a move.

30 08 2008
vic

“To take the position that EVERY American family SHOULD and MUST be denied the option to terminate a pregnancy that will result in hardship, cost, heartache, and diminished possibilities that will last a lifetime is just plain wrong.”

Mother who thinks: thank you for your post. It is terrifying to think that in a country with no universal health care and little in the way of welfare could condemn women to being unable to choose what to do with their own bodies. Next they will be telling us they’re getting rid of contraception too.
If you’re a 13 year old girl that gets pregnant because your daddy rapes you, this woman is going to say, “Sorry, but that’s a life in there”. What about the life of that 13 year old girl? How is one child going to care for another in a country that doesn’t offer her any support? To deny abortion in the case of incest and rape is inconceivable. This is one of the many, many reasons that religion and state need to be completely exclusive from one another, and why Palin terrifies me.

I’m glad to hear from a Hilary supporter that is moving into the Obama camp (Smitty). That’s where we all need to be if we’re ever going to drag ourselves out of the rut we’re in right now.

30 08 2008
The Anti-Palin Blog

I do not understand this pick for VP nominee. It will drive away moderates, and McCain will lose. I was supporting his candidacy until yesterday. Oh well.

30 08 2008
femalady

Is it Sara or Sarah Heath Palin? Just curious. Seen it both ways! You guys are getting mean out there. Twat? Joke? Phooey! You are better than that! Now smile, shake hands….and then proceed to rip each others throats out! Might as well emulate the campaign ads the Republicans are airing! I am expecting a whole spat of nasty Dem ads. Lordy, Lordy but McCain has earned them with this disastrous V.P. choice! Am looking forward to the comments and pics of Gov. Palin’s hometown. You are bookmarked by me and linked to everyone I know. Good stuff! Thanks.

30 08 2008
LarryB

Wasilla, AK, per Wikipedia: the Y2000 census, which is the source of these stats, was done in the third year of Palin’s mayoralty.

Population 5,469; [a very small town, is being mayor a part-time job?].

Median income for females $29,100, versus males $41,300;

Per capita income $21,100;

Quote from the Wikipedia entry on Wasilla: “10% of the population and 67% of the families were below the poverty line.”

Let me repeat that: SIXTY-SEVEN PERCENT of Wasilla’s families live under the poverty line. Palin is proud of being mayor of a town where 67% of families are below the poverty line??? Doesn’t ANY of the state’s resource wealth trickle down to the poor?

30 08 2008
Jan

Mother who thinks..I am a proud taxpaper and I’m glad to know my money is helping people like you and your son.
You are spot on with your comment.

30 08 2008
Laura Fleming

Sue Williams – thank you for clarifying the family story. It was obviously confusing to those of us in the lower 48, but we didn’t know just how confusing. Are you ready for the interviews?
I live in Ridgefield Connecticut, and I have been trying to figure out the children/grandchildren story all day.

30 08 2008
kimbers

Sue Williams,

The choices she claims to have made at the end of her pregnancy make me question her judgement too. If I don’t question her judgement, I would seriously have to question whether or not she is telling the truth.

I find it hard, in these days of malpractice suits that any doctor upon receiving a call would okay a flight from Texas to Alaska without at the very least demanding she get checked at a hospital before flying after hearing what she was claiming. Especially if that patient is the Gov. of Alaska!

I also find it incredible that she would not advise someone on the flight of her condition unless of course she could reasonably expect that Alaskan Air would need a medical certification allowing her to fly.

Her admitted self-serving, reckless behavior, not only endangered herself, but endangered her baby and possibly could have proven incredibly disruptive and dangerous to a plane full of people.

This, along with other things that I am learning about your Gov, there is nothing that could make me support her candidacy. I appreciate all of you who live up there who have posted. You are certainly providing a much more complicated and detailed picture than McCain’s base- the main stream media.

30 08 2008
Groundhogday

The selection of Sarah Palin has moved undecided voters strongly AGAINST McCain. Has no real impact on current core supporters of Obama or McCain (the folks who are yelling past one another on this blog, I’d imagine).

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/undecideds-dont.html

At her second appearance, Palin is booed by the crowd in Pennsylvania for trying to claim Hillary’s mantle.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/30/palin-booed-for-mentioning-hillary-clinton/#comment-1585475

30 08 2008
kimbers

Sorry, here is a link to where I read her interview:

http://www.celebrity-babies.com/2008/04/alaskan-governo.html

I apologize for not knowing how this blog works.

30 08 2008
The Logician

Re: babygate – I don’t know what’s being reported. Here, however, is the truth. Trig is Sarah and Todd’s baby.

Nice try. Truly a masterpiece of Republican spin.

The truth is different. Sarah Palin and her crowd want people to think that a 44-year-old woman pregnant with her fifth child fly to a business conference during her 8th month of pregnancy. While there, her water breaks, and she wouldn’t rush to the hospital. Instead, she would stay and make a half-hour speech.

Then she would to to the Dallas airport and board a series of commercial flights, including a layover in Seattle, lasting more than 9 hours. Once in Anchorage, this high-risk mother would bypass the superior Anchorage hospitals and head to some small-town community hospital in the back country and deliver a 6 lb., 2 oz. baby one month premature.

Sorry, but that one does NOT (pardon the pun) hold water. On its face, it is impossible. What actually happened is that Sarah Palin’s daughter, Bristol, was pregnant. By whom we don’t know, but boy would we ever like to. The father’s identity was the real embarrassment here, so Gov. Palin covered for her daughter by declaring herself pregnant.

Problem is, she wasn’t a good enough actress. Her body didn’t look pregnant in most of her photos, and story of the baby’s birth is preposterous. Along comes Sue Williams to concoct some alternative story that makes even less sense; once disproven by showing that Bristol Palin is not currently pregnant, the whole “controversy” would blow away.

But Aha! in the actual course of events, Bristol Palin gave birth in April to a baby that Sarah Palin claims is hers. Neither of them could currently be pregnant. Nice try at a diversion, Sue. I hope whoever paid you to make that posting paid you enough.

30 08 2008
Alexndner Treutler

I give Legally Blond 3 about two weeks to resign for “family and health reasons” – no part-time village mayor is gonna cut it. This is a desparate McBush move to put a lipstick on a Quayle/Quail brain.

30 08 2008
MML

Great blog -very informative for those of us here in the Lower 48.
My first reaction was “Who?” My second reaction “is McCain NUTS?” My third reaction is “what a jack*ss!” My fourth reaction was “the race will not longer be in a dead heat.” I’ve never voted for the GOP, but do keep an open mind. McCain has managed to INSULT all female voters by his pick of Palin. He IS a complete moron, if the strategy is to drive the die-hard Hillary supporters are going to just switch their vote to a ticket with the female on it.

30 08 2008
bailey

In researching Sarah Palin I found an undated photo in an article from the Anchorage Daily News. It sure does look like Bristol Palin is pregnant in this photo.

http://www.adn.com/front/story/339587.html

(click on the photo to enlarge)

30 08 2008
Sue Williams

Dear Logician – that was funny to read! I am only reporting what I hear constantly from Sarah and Todd’s “inner circle” (it sounds so funny saying that about anyone in this Valley. It’s way too high brow sounding – and truly, the more you hear about SP, we’re certainly not high brow around these parts. By. Any. Stretch.)

Fine if I’m wrong. I was just hanging out with people who are close friends with the Heath family the last two days and this is what I’ve heard.

Who cares if I’m wrong (I’m not). Obviously in the next 48 hours or so I imagine a reporter will try to weasel around the Secret Service and ask her personally. I assume she must have mentioned the whole scenario to McCain, right? She wouldn’t have blindsided him with this -? But, I don’t know. That was the discussion around these parts this morning – How much did McCain know about the baby stuff and how much did he know about Troopergate (like, the interesting little fact that she’s been caught multiple times the past six weeks not telling the truth).

This, I think, is what will finally get her. She can’t be prepping for the cursory answers she’s going to have to memorize on every national and intl issue – AND remember what she said when and to whom re: her Troopergate cover-up attempts. I know this coming week is when the special counsel up here was supposed to depose her.

My. My. It’s not gonna be pretty. Anyway, Logic whomever – think what you will. No worries.

30 08 2008
The Anti-Palin Blog

baliey – Did you save the photo? It looks like it’s no longer there.

30 08 2008
The Anti-Palin Blog

Oh never mind – there it is.

30 08 2008
Groundhogday

http://newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-under-scrutiny/

A couple of points:
1) Alaska Airlines has no policy or restrictions on flying while pregnant.
2) Her fluid could have leaked without a full “water break,” which is suggested by this article.
3) Could someone really get a doctor to fake a delivery, even in rural Alaska? Wouldn’t that be grounds for losing your license to practice medicine or something?
4) If Bristol is currently pregnant, how could they possibly fake a delivery in the next couple of months? Would they borrow a baby for her to carry around?
5) Down’s syndrome is much more likely for an older Mom.

So… I would personally need a LOT more evidence to believe that Trig is not Sarah Palin’s daughter.

30 08 2008
Groundhogday

Oops, I would personally need a LOT more evidence to believe that Trig is not Sarah Palin’s SON.

30 08 2008
Kim

Larryb I don’t know when you checked wikipedia for your info but this is what it reads right now at 9:52 pm centeral time zone Aug. 30.2008.

“The median income for a household in the city was $48,200 and the median income for a family was $53,800. Males had a median income of $41,300 versus $29,100 for females. The per capita income for the city was $21,100. 9.6% of the population and 5.7% of families were below the poverty line.[5] 13% of those under the age of 18 and 10% of those 65 and older were living below the poverty line.”

Seems like a lot of things are getting changed yesterday and today.

30 08 2008
The Logician

Could someone really get a doctor to fake a delivery, even in rural Alaska? Wouldn’t that be grounds for losing your license to practice medicine or something?

No one “faked a delivery.” Bristol Palin gave birth to Trig Palin in April. Bristol’s mother, Sarah, claimed that the child was her own. She went to great lengths to do this. She announced a pregnancy to Alaska’s media, such as it is, in March.

In April, when she was told her daughter was giving birth, she rushed back to West Dogs***, Alaska’s community hospital and claimed that she’d given birth to the baby that her daughter actually bore. The doctor and the hospital went along with it. Why? Because it’s a small town and some people there wanted to protect the family.

The real question is the identity of the father. Look, there are enough teen births out of wedlock for that not to be a huge issue. But if the father was closer to home — and I will leave it at that — then we have, as they said in The Wizard of Oz — a horse of a different color. I would suggest that this is what Mrs./Gov. Palin was actually trying to conceal.

30 08 2008
The Logician

Down’s syndrome is much more likely for an older Mom.

What is the likelihood of Down Syndrome for a child conceived by a brother and a sister?

30 08 2008
The Logician

By the way, who names their children Track and Trig? Nicknames, yes, but given names? This reminds me of a story I once read about people in some Central American country naming their children after automobile parts, as in “Sparkplug Hernandez” and “Oil Filter Sanchez.” The government eventually stepped in and banned it.

Maybe Trig’s name is really Trigonometry Palin? But what about Track? Trackstar? Tracker? Trackilicious?

30 08 2008
The Logician

ONE thing: she’s a perfect example of what happens when you let a straight do your hair styling.

Ha ha ha ha ha!!

30 08 2008
Don Smitty

Great blog.

Please send me any information regarding the “unknowns” of Sarah Palin.

I’ll make sure it reaches the highest levels of the DNC Media Strategy team.

Don
snapitonit@aol.com

30 08 2008
Sue Williams

Hey Logician – actually Sarah’s doc is Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, a family physician, who, a few years back, was awarded some sort of national Family Doctor of the Year award. CBJ (as she is known in these parts) wouldn’t lie. I think if you go back and read the more-or-less cover-up article put out by the Anchorage Daily News (adn) during this situation, where Sarah talks about conferring with CBJ, and CBJ is interviewed, CBJ was pretty careful not to say she felt like the travel was wise – but Sarah tried to pass it off as if she had CBJ’s approval.

Trust me, Sir, this is a Valley of few secrets. Everyone knows everyone and everything. There’s no way at all the hospital staff would be able/be willing to pull off that kind of a cover-up.

If Barack and Joe want to win this thing, it’s certainly their’s for the taking. They’ll have to be careful not to act condesending or bullying of Sarah, b/c she can pull out the sympathy card like nothing you’ve ever seen. Men swoon; women roll their eyes.

McCain didn’t choose her for the female votes, sillies. He chose her for the male vote. She does that little batting of her eyes and the aw-golly-gee-shucks-I’m the poor little damsel in distress routine and the guys just knock themselves out eating it up.

Oh, and while we’re on it. Watch Sarah drop her “-ing’s” This has driven so many of us in AK to distraction and beyond, it’s so Appalachian sounding (sorry West Virginians). Everything is huntin’, fishin’, votin’, fightin’ — you get the idea.

SNL is going to have a field day. I wish McCain could have thought that one point through a wee bit more…..

30 08 2008
The Logician

Hey Logician – actually Sarah’s doc is Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, a family physician, who, a few years back, was awarded some sort of national Family Doctor of the Year award. CBJ (as she is known in these parts) wouldn’t lie.

Why of course not. No one in Alaska tells any lies. Especially not for money.

30 08 2008
The Logician

McCain didn’t choose her for the female votes, sillies. He chose her for the male vote. She does that little batting of her eyes and the aw-golly-gee-shucks-I’m the poor little damsel in distress routine and the guys just knock themselves out eating it up.

That’s interesting, because plenty of people have been remarking how she comes across as a “naughty librarian” on a late-night soft-core cable TV epic! Talk about your NASCAR-on-Viagra vote.

30 08 2008
DeLarren

Guess if she ever wants to meet with Putin…he will ask, “Can we do it after hockey practice?” Then the Pundits say that Biden has to be soft on her…will the President of Iran take the same tone? NO!!!

She is the Bridge to Nowhere…trying to Bridge the Clinton voters. The message between both candidates are not the same at all. Seems as if she is not too bright…have to give her credit for 5 kids though. As a father of 2, my hat is off to her.

30 08 2008
Houston

Hey Sue,

I’ve enjoyed your commentary on the Healths-Palins. Tell us now about Sarah’s campaign to become mayor Wasilla. Just how nasty did it get?

30 08 2008
The Logician

have to give her credit for 5 kids though

Better put an asterisk on that number.

30 08 2008
Sue Williams

Hey Logic – I didn’t say nobody tells lies. Goodness, read the accounts of Sarah at andrew halcro.com and at the adn.com for the past six weeks. Make up your own mind about whether Sarah and her closest associates in her Administration were telling lies (hint: her close aide, Frank Bailey is now on leave with pay b/c he was caught in the most pathetic, on tape, lying shenanigan). But, do I think CBJ, Sarah’s doc, would lie? I do not think so.

Houston – her mayoral races were like a stroll through the park on a hot summer day. Her dad has basically taught everyone out here when they were in middle school science. She won her last mayoral race with less than 1,000 votes. It takes more than that to win a seat on the Valley’s school board.

What hasn’t been reported, at least not much, is that she was unemployed for almost three years before becoming gov. So, people talk about how she was gov for two years – make that 20 months. And before that? Unemployed for almost three years. She ran for mayor on a line of Positively Palin. Everyone knew her and her family. It wasn’t a nasty race.

The race for gov wasn’t exactly “nasty” either. She played the sympathy card constantly. It’s weird how people who aren’t paying attention will fall for it.

She ran for gov against the LEAST LIKED GOV IN THE UNION. His positive numbers were single digits. The local dog catcher could have run and won. Come on, people. This IS Alaska. She won b/c she got in the race so early and I think it kept more qualified people out. Also, the former gov took forever to decide if he’d run for reelection. If he hadn’t, the other guy on the Rep. side would have walked away with the win easily. But, the old gov and the other guy – John Binkley, who was the favorite in the business/thinking community – didn’t count on Sarah being served up no scrutiny in the press. The local press just ran pictures of her and whatdoyaknow? She won. And now she’ll apparently be VP and possilbly president.

The only thing – business wise – she did while being unemployed for almost three years, was to file for a business license she called Cou Rouge or Rouge Cou (I don’t know French). But it means “redneck” in French. Sarah wanted to start a local political consulting firm.

Scary indeed.

30 08 2008
Theodore

Mr. Moderator
Live in the lower 48, MD. How about educating me (us) on how Alaska derives its revenue for state supported services. For instance, Obama, has taken a lot of flack for proposing excess profits tax on big oil. My understanding is that Palin recently pushed for a similar increase in oil taxes?? Just how does this $$ work that allows 0% state tax plus some sort of rebate for all state residents.
Second, Palin has been making a big deal about the need to drill in ANWAR to “lock up and secure domestic natural resource supplies to feed those hungry lower 48 markets.” My question: wouldn’t any extracted oil have to go into the open market? And presuming we are still using 25% of world-wide oil, we could only keep that portion for our market. Bottom line, it just seems Palin is making it sound like all the oil we would find in ANWAR would be kept for only US consumption. Is she mis-leading folks down here?

30 08 2008
Ralph

So have you seen any secret service types or media folks up there yet?

30 08 2008
August 31, 2008 « the haiku diaries

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30 08 2008
rachelbirds

More Palin haiku
at The Haiku Diaries.
This is too much fun.

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/august-31-2008/

30 08 2008
The Logician

But, do I think CBJ, Sarah’s doc, would lie? I do not think so.

Why not? What do you really know about her other than her getting an award? And how many people other than the doc would have had to be involved in delivering a kid and switching it? Seems to me that there’s no lack of money sloshing around Alaska for purposes like that.

30 08 2008
Mad Skillz

The Dems are gonna let Palin kill the GOP hopes. I gotta love how a Palin supporter rewrote her Wikipedia info. Gotta love the Internet. Oh yeah – you didn’t mention how her staff took down how she SUPPORTED Obama’s energy plan.

Still, you are my new bestest friend.

Mad Skillz out

30 08 2008
MSL

It’s obvious as CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Politico and many other experts knew. John McCain new he had no chance whats so ever of winning (despite all the lies about “it’s a dead lock or tie), otherwise he would of never picked this woman.

AbC reported that Mccain lied, and not only had he met this woman before this week, but he made his decision Thursday Night (obvious shaken, after Obama accepted his nomination/speech).

The media has been lying to us all along. This thing was never close. CNN said that, Karl Rove etc, ran all their election/turn out model, and there was no way, that they saw McCain winning (which is the reason why, you never saw the Obama team panicked, despite the fact the his supporters would complain when they felt things weren’t going right).

John McCain blinked! He blinked to Karl Rove. He blinked to the religious right, and he blinked to Obama’s speech and momentum

The question is did McCain just bury his chances for good, or just gave it some temporary oxygen?

30 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

Baby Trig and Mom
The smolts migrate toward the sea
Sarah claims the prize

30 08 2008
The Logician

The local press just ran pictures of her and whatdoyaknow? She won.

Haiku

Librarian winks
Autumn men, sap rising hard
North, to Alaska

30 08 2008
BJ

Okay,

I don’t even know where to begin.

As a mother, when I first heard that she was the veep pick, I could not help but to know that ALL of her minor children were going to suffer. As a working mother to a healthy child (thank you, God) I know the difficulty of balancing work and raising my child. Let alone, being a wife and the other challenges of life. Any working mother knows that the equitable balance of rearing a child and anything else is a myth. The commitment and time distribution is inequtable. It is up to the individual mother to decide how they prioritize their child on the totem pole, so to speak. You just simply cannot give your children 100% and anything else 100%.

Clearly, Palin has shown the world that her children are not her priority. This is even more disconcerting given the fact that she has a child with special needs. This is in addition to the needs of the other children. I more than question her judgement. Obviously, she makes poor decisions.

In giving her the benefit of the doubt, becoming Governor was one of her wildest dreams. However, once she did become governor, it should have been obvious that her career demands were different. Since she is pro life, why not put off having a new baby until her term was up? If that is her child. That is called being a responsible adult.

Then there is the story (or stories) which are nothing short of mind boggling.

Even if a doctor was negligent enough to tell her that she could travel during her last trimester of a high risk pregnancy carrying a child that would have special needs, doesn’t she have a responsibility to the health of her hild and self? Why would she risk her child’s life like this? Then when she “went into labor” knowing the circumstances, why would she not put the unborn child’s needs first and get to a hospital? Isn’t it true that with each pregnancy the labor is actually shorter and at times less predictable? Why would she not think that once in labor the child could come at any moment? Wasn’t she extremely fortunate to be able to not only travel for several hours without pain medication in labor but then to actually control the birth of the child until she was exactly where she wanted (needed) to be?

Why would we vote for a person who is clearly negligent when it comes to her own family? If she is covering for her daughter, why would we vote for someone who intends to go into office lying and with her family in cahoots? What message an moral foundation is she setting for her children? If she cannot raise her own children how can she be even remotely involved in making policies for the country’s families?

I would like to hear from any former VP what they would say their commitment level to the job was. Would we be okay if they were able to prioritize their family over the country’s needs? At least Hillary’s child was an adult when Hillary ran.

And McCain…he has always been reactionary. In true form, his knee jerk reaction to Obama’s phenomenal speach was to announce his running with a woman he’d only met with once! Simply because he thought he could swap one woman for another in front of the voters. Any other President of any operation would take it under consideration that the candidate for VP is the mother of a NEW BORN. No matter what the story is about the baby, there is no pleasant way of spinning this. His people did not do their research and this is the result. What else will he venture into without being properly informed? This is a perfect example of why he would support lies of WMDs.

Lastly, if I were Rebublican, I would be mortified by the state of the party. The party has spewed it’s lies for so long, they don’t even realize how transparent they are. Obviously, the party feels that he is the most qualified of the party for President of the United States and he in turn feels that Palin was the best package (ALL factors considered) out of his choices for a running mate. This is sick.

30 08 2008
G

So I’m just wondering how Todd can work at BP, fish the Bristol Bay season and take care of the kids. I’m also wondering how he feels about her feelings about allowing the Pebble Mine which could ruin herring and sockeye forever.
There is a reason that the Borax, Quartz Hill mine in Boca de Quadra (near Ketchikan) was shut down in the early 80’s. It was to protect salmon habitat. Guess she needs to read the history of her own state.

30 08 2008
Sue Williams

Hey Haiki Loving Logic – My gosh. Give up the “doc could have lied shtick.” Okay. I suppose it’s not out of the realm of the possible. How do I know CBJ? She happens to be my doctor. That’s how I know her.

One thing I’m seeing very clearly: The rest of the country has NO IDEA how small town life in this Valley is. I never go anywhere without running into multiple people I know. Everyone knows everyone and everyone talks. It’s kind of sweet and quaint if you like the small town gig – but people from larger metro areas can’t really understand how small towns work if they’ve never lived in one. (Visiting doesn’t count. You have to live here long enough to know half the folks).

Part of this is kind of starting to be funny for me – though, from a Valley Perspective (for anyone who wants to hear this) yesterday felt like someone had died. People were walking around saying how they wanted to throw up. Truly. I’ve never heard (or read, try andrew halcro.com or adn.com so many people describe feeling like they were going to get physically sick and vomit). That’s how CRAZY this sounded to all of us. (fyi – on those blogs, esp the adn site you’ll find a posse of Palinbots – as they’re referred to up here – who think she can do no wrong. These are what we call “bumper sticker” citizens. If an idea is too long for a bumper sticker, it’s too complicated for them to try and wrap their minds around. These people, by and large, compose Sarah’s base. The 80% approval numbers you all – and presumably McCain – heard of where wrong).

But today, I’m torn between being angry and being sad and being shocked and — well, finding this whole thing so gosh darned funny. When EVERYONE except the bumper sticker citz KNOW beyond any shadow of any doubt that there is no way Sarah is qualified for this post – well, it makes me just shake my head as a Republican.

The chatter now is whether she’ll survive the first two weeks – what with her upcoming deposition this week on Troopergate matters and the brewing baby questions. Will Sarah be another Eagleton? And, if so, will she be as gracious as Chuck Kopp was less than a month ago when she tapped him to be Commissioner of Public Safety without vetting him worth squat (it came out almost immediately he had a scandal in his past). She held onto him for two weeks before the pressure became overbearing and she let him go (with a nice $15,000 severance check that she didn’t disclose until it was reported on a local blog). Will she be as gracious as Chuck Kopp if and when McCain wakes up to his insanity and realizes he has to find someone who actually knows something about the job?

30 08 2008
allen bean

allen bean Says:

August 30, 2008 at 11:08 am
Posted by: Scott | August 30, 2008 1:11 AM

Not only all that, but Ms Palin has had virtually no contact with
Jewish people in America. In fact, most Alaskans still use the term
“to jew someone down” as part of their every day vocabulary when
speaking about bargaining at the store….so I guess Ms Palin has a
huge storehouse of inherited antiSemitic fixations based not on hatred
but on ignornace. Ask her what she thinks of Jewish people someone? I
am sure he only knows about 3.

30 08 2008
allen bean

The AFP wire service today, based out of Juneau, that’s Agence France press, AFP, they said today in news story that Palin commutes daily to her office in Juneau from her home in Wasilla? By jet? every day? IS AFP reporter smoking something?

30 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

Whose baby is it?
Fish run thick in slanting sun
Republicans lie

30 08 2008
The Anti-Palin Blog

I’m skeptical about the baby story, but here’s what confuses me: If she is pro-life in ALL cases, why did she have genetic testing done early in the pregnancy? If it’s really hers, as is likely, did that mean that abortion was an option? If it’s not hers, was the genetic test done to find out who the dad is – and the extra chromosome came up in the screening?

30 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

How can lies succeed?
Snow thick on cedar branches
Ted owns Alaska

30 08 2008
yourinfo

I am a woman, 46-years old retired from military at the age of 33…I have a 24-years old daughter…I don’t know this person but it don’t take rocky science to realize that unless their some unknown secret info out there … this person said out of her own mouth that she did not think it was possible she could be consider for such a high position…I don’t know what is true and what is not true…but what seen to be true is she have very little experience…and I would not want to think about sleeping at night…and this country … and my daughter future in her hands…it makes me sad and scary…but it said a great deal about the judgement of McCain…as military person I once consider voting for him…how I thank “God” I never had that chance… as far as parent resposibility…I was a single parent as a soldier…I worry everyday that my commitment and demand of being a soldier cause me to neglect my child at times…I looked forwarded to the day when I could get out…I felt bad about not being their for my child…but I also loved my career and I was a delicated soldier…but my child was my first priority… I think as a mother it is hard for me to understand how you can really be there for five children or maybe only three since the other two seen to be much older…and do your public job….

This is a personal decision but whatever the reason for her decision…she know just as well as any honest person know …she is not qualify to be a heart beat away from the presidents job…or to be seriously concider for VP…

it all just make me very very sad for my child…her children ….all the children future…and the future of our country…

We are going to either vote for change…for our children future and this country…

Or we are going to witness something we maybe hope we don’t live threw…

What really sading me also is … how so many persons can say they trust this woman to have a finger on the “red button” do they want to win a election so bad that they will lie to themself and not care about the their childs future…I don’t know how they do it f..because they care more about winning a election…

I have always had fate in “God” if we get out there and do our part…”God” will do his part and keep us all safe…my child and this country…

This VP pick is very scary…

30 08 2008
The Logician

If this is a matter of day care for young Trigonometry, don’t you think Cindy McCain has already waved a magic dollar-filled wand and solved that problem? The question is still, “whose baby?” Sue says that she and Sarah share the same doctor and the doctor would never lie.

I think Sarah’s story is preposterous, although I am intrigued by the alternative, i.e., the Sarah’s story is real and that the 17-year-old is in her third trimester by her high school boyfriend.

Haiku

What to do but spawn?
Alaska: six months no sun
Sex and Yukon Jack

30 08 2008
justinslot

So Sue–you’re saying that the “Sarah has claims Bristol’s baby as her own” story is as preposterous as it sounds. But Bristol actually is pregnant and everybody up there knows it and she’s being kept out of sight for that reason? Fascinating.

30 08 2008
justinslot

That should read “Sarah claims Bristol’s baby as her own” story. Stupid lack of editing.

30 08 2008
rhondadavis28@yahoo.com

IS this studd true???

Sandy, This picture was shot on March 9,. 2007 http://www.adn. com/news/ alaska/v- gallery/story/ 339587.html? /news/alaska/ v-enlarge/ story/339587- a339583-t3. html

According to this other website, she missed school sick?, for 5 months! http://www.reddit. com/comments/ 6f3nq/coverup_ alaska_gov_ palin_r_announce d_she_was/ c03o1ma

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Sandy Dunsmoor wrote:

As a mom of 3, pregnant twice (twins) that looks pretty darned preggo to me! I know you can doctor pictures but you`d have to be really good to get that unique authentic look to the belly! I don`t know,,,,looks like this rumor has merit to me! Thanks Jd!

30 08 2008
Mil

I can only see one way for McCain to back out of this now…

Palin would suddenly ‘decide’ that she is needed by her family, her son in particular, and her state and simply cannot be veep. Then McCain would get to pick a new veep and all of the things that Dems said about Palin would be flipped back over and used against Obama.

Risky, but if I were advising McCain, I’d likely be pushing for that very scenario.

But thank goodness I’m voting for Obama. XD

ps: How long until the McCain/Palin ticket gets called the Beauty and the Beast ticket?

30 08 2008
Tom

Dear Sue & Logician,

I love conspiracy theories (mostly for the sake of debunking them)! There is a picture of Bristol and the rest of the Palin family (sans Track of course) in a People spread that was obviously shot this Friday. In it, Bristol does not appear pregnant. In fact, she appears more slim than other pictures of her floating around. I believe these pictures are organized in correct sequence from newest to oldest:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,00.html (from this Friday — note Bristol appears “skinny” and Willow has no braces)

http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/PalinFamily_Outside_v01.jpg (from sometime in 2007 when it was warm enough in Juneau to wear short sleeves — note Bristol appears a bit “puffy” and Willow has braces)

http://govserv.state.ak.us/photos/pict0210.jpg (this picture is titled “Alaska’s New First Family” and is probably from early 2007 — note Bristol appears “skinny”)

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8334949p-8231037c.html (from fall 2006 — note Bristol appears a bit “puffy” and Willow has no braces)

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/339587.html (even though the article is from March 2008, the picture is recycled from fall 2006 — note same coat on Mrs. Palin and same sunset in background as picture above)

So, what am I trying to say here? Only that Bristol appears to have gone through 2 phases of gaining (mid 2006 and mid 2007) and losing (early 2007 and now) weight. Neither of these periods correspond with a delivery due date of April or May 2008. Sometime during this time period, she was also apparently out of school with mononucleosis for several months. In addition, the son Track was apparently off at a school in Michigan and then joined the Army. Finally, judging by the deep tan sported by Willow in the People photo, I’d assume she spent this summer somewhere other than Alaska. If that’s the case, it’s quite possible that Bristol accompanied her.

I haven’t lived in a small town but I still understand what goes on in most of them. There is just enough circumstantial stuff here that the nosy neighbor syndrome could have made “people who are close friends with the Heath family” put two and two together and come up with five. At a minimum, if Bristol was indeed pregnant, it would have been either sometime in late 2006 or summer 2007 as indicated by the slight “puffiness” in the pictures taken during those periods. There appears to be no evidence to substantiate that she was pregnant as recently as this spring much less this summer. As such, this for now is all just some small-town rumor.

30 08 2008
Kathy

Sue, I am confused. Are you saying that Bristol is still pregnant right now?

31 08 2008
akmuckraker

Allen,
My understanding is that Palin spends quite a bit of time working outside of Juneau. She’s not fond of the distance from home and has tried to stay in her home territory as much as possible. This has caused some nervousness in Juneau (the capitol) because there is an ongoing battle in Alaska to move the capitol to somewhere actually on the road system (Juneau is only accessible by boat or plane), like the Valley where Sarah is from. So far efforts to keep the capitol in Juneau have been successful, but just the mention of a capitol move sends Juneau residents into a tizzy.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Tom, you didn’t have any pictures of Sarah Palin or her daughter, Bristol, between January 2008 and April 2008. The material you supplied is completely worthless.

31 08 2008
The Logician

p.s.: Tom, maybe you need to review your materials from biology class. The human gestation period is nine months. Young Trigonometry was born April 18, 2008, one month early, which would place his conception in September 2007. Pictures from early 2007 and 2006 are irrelevant.

You write of Bristol Palin that “there appears to be no evidence to substantiate that she was pregnant as recently as this spring much less this summer,” but you offered no pictures of her between this summer and the summer of 2007. You might have cast doubt on whether she is still pregnant — something I question anyway — but you have provided utterly no evidence of her condition this past spring.

So tell us, Tom, who signs your checks?

31 08 2008
The Logician

correction: ” … which would place his conception in August 2007.” I’m up late. Time to hit the hay.

31 08 2008
Sydney

Kathy, I believe she is. Surely when the Republican convention is finally held, Bristol will be there and we’ll be able to tell if she’s truly in her 3rd trimester right now. I’d love to see some of those Ohio pictures Sue talks about.

31 08 2008
justinslot

On the other hand, check out Meghan McCain’s blog–she took a bunch of pictures and there’s one showing Bristol from the side. It’s the one with the caption “Getting ready for the People Magazine photo shoot.”

31 08 2008
Tom

Yes, that is what she is saying but the following picture from People taken this Friday disproves it:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,00.html

There is also a blog on Daily Kos, “Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]“:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

This blog purports to show 2 pictures of Bristol pregnant with Trig. But as I revealed in my previous comment above, one of these pictures was taken in 2007 when it was “warm” (I use the term loosely) in Juneau:

That pretty much means between April and October. So, Bristol would have been early in her first trimester considering Trig’s May 2008 delivery due date. In other words, it is very unlikely that picture shows Bristol pregnant with Trig.

The other picture on the Daily Kos blog was from late 2006, which obviously cannot show Bristol being pregnant with Trig much less being pregnant today:

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/339587.html

That someone would mistake the above picture as being from March 2008 (when the article in which it appears was printed) simply shows sloppy research skills as I also revealed. Note that the picture from a story in October 2006 is from the same “sitting”:

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8334949p-8231037c.html

Clearly, if the above indeed shows a pregnant Bristol, she is not carrying Trig.

Moreover, a picture taken in the time frame between the two purported “pregnant gun” pictures shows Bristol was definitely not pregnant:

So, if the two pictures (taken several months apart) in which Bristol appears “puffy” supposedly prove that she was pregnant, that would actually mean that she was pregnant not once, but twice. Not only that, but if she IS in fact Trig’s mom, that would make her pregnant three times. Hold on, I’m not done: if she is still pregnant today, that means she has been pregnant a grand total of four times since 2006! In other words, she has not been not pregnant since 2006! Me, I’ll go with just “not pregnant” until someone comes along to make this conspiracy theory worth chasing further.

31 08 2008
justinslot

My “on the other hand” was directed at Tom. So very slow…

31 08 2008
Sydney

justinslot, I was just about to come back with a link to video of Bristol at the rally, but your photos are much clearer. She certainly looks bigger now than she did in that photo of her in a blue shirt (from back in February, I think) that everyone’s linked to. Curiouser and curiouser.

31 08 2008
American in London

Jack Herman – there is nothing wrong with small town americans running for office. Abe Lincoln was one. George Washington and Tom Jefferson, too. I’m sure she’s a bright young talent in Alaska and eventually in the national Republican party.

But for now, she’s no Hillary Clinton. She’s not even Marge Simpson. She is being used, and is just another example of McCain’s reckless disregard for the public welfare, a reflection of his cynical tokenism and a victim of everything wrong with the GOP over the past 8 years.

If you think Obama is light on detail, try http://my.barackobama.com and post any remaining questions you might have. You’re right to ask for specifics – but if you raise the question, you have an obligation to listen to the answers (which are there in full).

And if it’s not enough to get you to vote the right way, maybe you should show your disdain by not voting at all? Just a thought.

31 08 2008
American in London

Mil

Agree that the Beast (love that) should find a way now to gracefully dump the Beauty, but I don’t see it happening. Mavericks can’t question themselves after making “bold” (reckless) decisions. He’ll need to stick with this to the bitter end. Or arrange a snowmobile accident / Dick Cheney hunting trip.

31 08 2008
Tom

Logician: Tom, you didn’t have any pictures of Sarah Palin or her daughter, Bristol, between January 2008 and April 2008. The material you supplied is completely worthless.

The “material” I supplied is way more than what you supplied (to support your point)! The pictures show Bristol looking supposedly pregnant at times when she could not have been pregnant with Trig. These are the pictures that people are claiming as “proving” something. They prove nothing, and in that sense I agree with you that they are worthless. That was my point.

Logician: p.s.: Tom, maybe you need to review your materials from biology class. The human gestation period is nine months. Young Trigonometry was born April 18, 2008, one month early, which would place his conception in September 2007. Pictures from early 2007 and 2006 are irrelevant. You write of Bristol Palin that “there appears to be no evidence to substantiate that she was pregnant as recently as this spring much less this summer,” but you offered no pictures of her between this summer and the summer of 2007. You might have cast doubt on whether she is still pregnant — something I question anyway — but you have provided utterly no evidence of her condition this past spring. So tell us, Tom, who signs your checks?

I’m there with you, the pictures are irrelevant. Now tell that to the conspiracy nuts who are using them to “prove” that Trig is Bristol’s baby. While you’re at it, why don’t you come up with some “proof” of your own. I don’t need to provide “evidence of her condition this past spring” since I’m not the one claiming she was pregnant! I sign my own checks, who signs yours?

justinslot: On the other hand, check out Meghan McCain’s blog–she took a bunch of pictures and there’s one showing Bristol from the side. It’s the one with the caption “Getting ready for the People Magazine photo shoot.”

I photoshopped that picture and some others and they do show a figure that isn’t as “skinny” as the picture published by People would suggest. The problem with the picture you reference is that Bristol actually has her hip under the baby and is reclining backwards, which creates a wider-than-normal body outline. Meanwhile, another picture shows Bristol sitting with her legs crossed and leaning forward (not an easy feat in the third trimester). On the other hand, yet another picture shows her sitting with her hands clasped across her lap in a stereotypical “preggie pose”. Then again, why wouldn’t they have put her behind somebody in that People picture if she was pregnant and showing (or at least face her belly inward)? Finally, we know she has supposedly looked pregnant in pictures before (from fall 2006 and summer 2007), so why is this any different (looked pregnant but wasn’t)?

Sydney: justinslot, I was just about to come back with a link to video of Bristol at the rally, but your photos are much clearer. She certainly looks bigger now than she did in that photo of her in a blue shirt (from back in February, I think) that everyone’s linked to. Curiouser and curiouser.

That “photo of her in a blue shirt (from back in February, I think)”, if it’s the one with twilight in the background, is actually from October 2006! And so, yes, she might look bigger now since she is two years older! Willow looks “bigger” as well–does that mean she’s pregnant, too? The only thing that all of these pictures make clear is that Bristol isn’t some pencil-thin clone of her mother. She could be going through a temporary “teenage plump” phase, but if she wasn’t already self-conscious about her body, she sure might be now.

31 08 2008
lucene

Personally, I don’t give a rat’s ass about all this pregnancy stuff regarding the teenage daughter. I do care about the lack of judgement Sarah Palin made when in labor with her DS baby … it seems selfish and definately not wise.

The polls show that McCain made a really bad blunder picking Palin, and it will only get worse as time goes on. I wonder if he will attempt a “do over”.

31 08 2008
connecticut man1

Most people just want to figure our what the truth is about her so they can make an honest decision.

So far, there are clearly lies coming from the Palins on Troopergate. First they didn’t know anything about pressure to fire their inlaw, Wooten… Then she changed it to “Maybe?” some of her aides had called – but she only changed the story after she found out about tapes of phonecalls… Then the truth comes out that not only were the aides pressuring, but so were BOTH Sarah and Todd Palin in phonecalls, emails and face-to-face meeting(s) with Monnegan.

Also, we know that both Wooten and the Palins are complete idiots just based on the facts that have come out in that story.

Now this whole thing about who the Mom(s) and Dad(s) really are seems to have some serious legs getting ready to run… And the whole thing about the Alaska .gov pics on the website moving around and deleting a lot of photos only seems to add credibility to the whole story.

But she could also be hiding other photos with those Alaskan CBC types. Who knows? But it really doesn’t look good.

I am just waiting for Wooten to have to do a paternity test for Sarah’s or Bristol’s kid(s) OR Both Todd and Track having to do the same to round out the picture perfect family they “seem” to have created.

The only way this story could get more twisted is if VECO’s Allen, Ted Stevens or Don Young turned out to be the father/grandfather/great-grandfather to every single one of them.

Hell? With John McCain’s track record of turning in older ex beauty pageant winners for younger ones… Maybe Cindy should be demanding paternity tests? Are we really sure that he didn’t personally “Vet” the entire Palin family previous to their quickie before this decision?

Regardless of any of this, McCain has, undeniably, shown that he is recklessly capable of making the ridiculous attempt, by Bush, to put Harriet Myers on the SCOTUS almost seem like a competent choice in comparison…

31 08 2008
raghu

i am from india. have no immediate stakes in this (i wish!!)
anyway, as an outside observer, i think Sue is trying to blunt and discredit the ‘investigation’ or suspicion that it was Bristol’s baby by floating new theories. That will put it way too many variables in the equation and the reader will be confused. Sue would hope that the reader would be so confused that he or she will stop caring.. discredit by multiplying the attacks..

31 08 2008
The Logician

That’s right, raghu. The theory has been that young Trigonometry is not Sarah’s child as she claims, but Britsol’s. Sue introduced a new theory that Sarah did indeed bear the future Alaskan mathematician, but that Bristol is pregnant by her high school boyfriend. I’m skeptical. I tend to believe this is the story of Deliverance, not Peyton Place. But up in the land of the Midnight Sun, anything can happen.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

It’s a mystery
Seasons grumble like grizzly
White trash is white trash

31 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

What will bring her down?
Spring baby, summer baby?
Maybe Troopergate?

31 08 2008
The Logician

By the way, if Trig is Bristol’s kid, and a paternity test is ordered, make sure to include the high school math teacher.

31 08 2008
Sue Williams

You all are a hoot. Kind of. You have no idea how surreal this whole pick is for Alaskans. NO ONE up here that I know – beside “bumper sticker citz” think Sarah is ready for – heck, the Senate, let alone VP or the White House. It’s truly crazy.

Here are the facts – and really, if you want to spend time trying to understand Sarah, my best advice to you is to go to Andrew Halcro.com and read the past six weeks worth of his blog entries and the comments section – or, the Anchorage Daily News (adn.com). The ADN is very Palin friendly (the staff is all hoping she’ll bring them on board her Administration – cynical? Yes. But, kind of true, too. She rewarded the editor with a nice post in DC once she was elected gov).

Re: the pregnancy stuff. I wouldn’t bother trying to track down anymore photos. Some I’ve seen have the wrong dates assoicated with them anyway. Sarah gave birth to Trig. Many of us in Alaska speculated she kept her mouth shut b/c she didn’t want people in DC to know when she went there in Feb (it allowed her to get to talk VP speculation). By the end of the preg (like late March, early April) she did look pregnant – her face got full and she only wore black changing out her scarves for color.

Trig is Sarah and Todd’s baby. She was very open (once she told everyone she was pregnant) that learning she was pregnant was a difficult thing, let alone learning he had Down’s. Sarah is amazingly ambitious. She doesn’t like to let anything stop her – clearly, she, and all of us, and anyone with a functioning mind, saw this pregnancy as taking her out of VP speculation. But, what do you know, John McCain I guess, doesn’t have a functioning mind.

Bristol Palin is pregnant. She is well into her third trimester. She has been out of sight in Alaska for the past couple months. I learned the morning we all heard Sarah was chosen that Bristol and her high school boyfriend had had a quickie wedding. So, at least Sarah’s grandchild won’t be born to an unwed teenage mother, just a teenage, senior in high school mother.

When Todd and Sarah first learned Bristol was pregnant, they were “devastated” – which parents wouldn’t be? Sarah said she knew the scrutiny of the press would be hard for Bristol to take.

And then Sarah decides it’s okay to run for VP? If she thought the press in down home Alaska – a press corp who has given her family a free pass and who, even tho they’ve known about Bristol’s pregnancy for months, hasn’t touched it with a ten foot pole – if Sarah thought Alaska’s press would be hard for Bristol to bear, just exactly what did she think the nation’s press pool would be like? Or the fact that by accepting McCain’s offer to join the ticket, Sarah knew full well Bristol will become the most well known pregnant high school senior ON THE PLANET.

Apparently that’s what blind ambition does for you, folks. It blinds you to the hearts and needs and lives and emotions and futures of everyone around you – incl. your own daughter who, God only knows how she’ll bear up under the shock and shame when this story finally comes out.

No thank you. I would like a VP candidate who puts the lives of the people she’s supposed to be caring for first, above her own. Since, for social reasons (abortion and gay issues) I can’t in my conscience vote for Obama, I’ll show up in the booth this Nov and vote for congressional races then slip out before casting a vote for people who have no business being given the responsibility and honor of running our nation.

This whole thing is sick. Sick.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

I’ve been enjoying the thread, particularly the most intelligent comments by The Logician, American in London and Raghu.

I appreciate your pointing out Sue as a ‘plant’ on this site; her story just got better and better after that. Then suddenly she disappears, and ‘Tom’ pops up with his meaningless photos and even more preposterous theories. I wonder if it’s even a different person? Do they do tag team matches? Lies and obfuscation brought to you by Rove and Rovette junior. And now back to our sponsor.

I think SP either showed ridiculously poor judgment by having a special needs baby in some backwater hospital over 9 hours (and more) after her water started ‘leaking’, or that this is possibly her daughter’s child and she rushed to her side as soon as she found out that BP was in labor. Why else would anyone in the first family have a baby (with Down’s Syndrome) away from the best hospital possible?

After checking out the McCainette blog, http://mccainblogette.com/, it was interesting to watch BP holding the baby almost all of the time, except for one or two photo ops with ‘Mom’. Notice how in the family photo, BP is the one holding her ‘brother’? Anyone else find this odd?

31 08 2008
Clever Else

I like Haiku!

Holding her baby
A smiling mother I see
Will we ever know?

31 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

Her brother or son?
Only the August wind knows
And the Enquirer

31 08 2008
The Logician

Clever Else, this from Wikipedia: “A haiku traditionally contains a kigo (season word) which symbolises or intimates the season in which the poem is set.”

31 08 2008
Sue Williams

Hey Clever Else – so funny you think I’m a plant and that my story got “better and better.” So, I guess you think the truth got better and better.

Am I somehow not being clear? Sarah Palin would be a DISASTER as VP. In my opinion she’s been a disaster as governor.

Are you a plant?

31 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

Cucumber or squash?
August garden grows fertile
Like Alaska girls

31 08 2008
Regi

Is it true Ruedrich resigned before she snooped in his files, did so uncomfortably at the request of the attorney general and resigned from her ethics post because she couldn’t handle the repurcussions?

http://dwb.adn.com/front/story/5572779p-5504444c.html

31 08 2008
The Logician

a press corp who has given her family a free pass and who, even tho they’ve known about Bristol’s pregnancy for months, hasn’t touched it with a ten foot pole

Men are known to exaggerate, but ten feet?

31 08 2008
The Logician

Incidentally, I’ve read that the hospital in Peyton Place, Alaska has a website, and until they took it down sometime last night it showed no births having taken place there on the date that young Trigonometry was born. The plot grows thicker. How’s this: Delivered by midwife — hey, if the Christians can “home school,” they can “home birth” too — then rushed to the hospital to meet its “mother.”

31 08 2008
Mil

lol American in London, thank you.

Those are probably things some Republicans are currently dreaming about. I don’t think Palin will get knocked off though. But I just know all of his advisors are struggling someway to salvage this if McCain truly made a gaffe. My humble opinion is that McCain is nutter… But I’ve thought that for a while now.

Just looking online gives a taste as to the roasting Palin is going to get. She still has some Rabid Republicans defending her, and some Rabid Dems saying things that are out of line… but the rest of us ‘sane’ people are going “He did what? Okay, Obama/Biden 08/12 it is.” I am going to be watching the polls. I don’t think McCain can recover from this lol.

31 08 2008
Tom

Clever Else, Precisely what “preposterous theories” am I spouting? That the pictures being touted all over the Internets as showing Bristol being supposedly pregnant are actually from summer 2007 and earlier? That is not theory, IT IS FACT. Please PROVE otherwise or shut up with your innuendo. Frankly, if Sue is a “plant” then “she” is a pretty good one. I’ve seen better though. Clearly she does not like Palin and has an axe to grind. That doesn’t make her statements automatically false, but they should be taken with a grain of salt. They are rumors. They might be true, but they are still rumors. I like to deal in FACTS. As for my personal motives, I’m a conspiracy theory fanatic and enjoy investigating “mysteries”. Oh yeah, I also believe Palin was a joke of a pick for VP and I will be voting for Obama (not for that reason, though).

31 08 2008
The Logician

Here is a picture of Sarah Palin seven months pregnant with her first child, and here is a picture of Sarah Palin seven months “pregnant” with her fifth child.

Your serve, Sue Williams.

31 08 2008
The Logician

And you, too, Tom.

31 08 2008
Tom

Logician, You know that a hospital birth announcement on a public website requires parental consent, right? So you can’t jump to a conspiracy conclusion on the sole basis that Trig’s birth was not listed there, especially since he is a Downs baby. Could it be the Palins wanted a day or two of privacy without reporters roving around looking for the scoop? As for “took it down sometime last night”, you are incorrect:

http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_name.php?start=60&step=30&count=503

31 08 2008
Laura Fleming

Look at the Meghan McCain blog and lighten two pictures from Friday’s People Mag photo shoot and you will see the pregnant teen daughter without any question. The McCain family is clearly in the know at this point. Is there any public record of Bristol Palin’s wedding?

31 08 2008
Sue Williams

Oh my gosh, you guys. Please. What do I care if Trig is Bristol’s baby? Maybe he was and now she’s pregnant again. I don’t know. That seems unlikely to me. Look, all I can tell you is Bristol is pregnant. Have you never lived in a small town? When one hears this “rumor” (and okay, I admit, I never heard it straight from Sarah’s mouth) but have heard it from close to 20 people who are all long time friends of the family. Maybe they are all lying – and have been lying since April of this year when Willow’s boyfriend (Willow is the 8th grader) wouldn’t shut up about how Bristol was pregnant. The story came out (not by the news, of course, because all four reporters in this state wanted Sarah to choose them next for some cool govt post) but by everyone whose anyone around here (and it’s not a hard job to be an “everyone” when there’s so few of us).

What I’m seeing is that America doesn’t know how small towns work. You either lead the lily pure white life, or you move to a city, or, when your child turns up pregnant at 16, you hide her somewhere. That’s what happened here. Now, apparently, Sarah is keeping Bristol on the bus with Trig while she makes her appearances.

This must be the problem with conspirators, when the truth stares them straight in the eyes, they don’t know how to recongize it. Please.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

My apologies, Sue. Thank you for making a simple and clear statement.

I think the only plant involved in this situation is Sarah Palin, justice crusader for the neo-cons.

31 08 2008
Sue Williams

Hey Laura – now there’s a good question, because the “Bristol got a quickie wedding” remark I heard from a friend was Friday morning while all this was hitting the fan in AK. If she really is married, there would have to be a public document somewhere. I suppose checking up here or checking Idaho (where it was presumed she was sent) would be the natural choices to look. I really questioned the person who told me, but they were adament that they’d been told the truth about the wedding. It kind of made sense to me (I mean would McCain really choose a woman who has an unwed pregnant home schooled daughter for VP?). But then, would McCain really choose a mother who has a wed pregnant homeschooled teenager for VP?

Um.

Yes.

Oh God, please save the Republic from this Insanity.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Logician, You know that a hospital birth announcement on a public website requires parental consent, right?

A birth is a matter of public record, Tom. Why wouldn’t the hospital have a record of this birth on its website?

Could it be the Palins wanted a day or two of privacy without reporters roving around looking for the scoop?

I realize that Alaska is a backwater, but the woman is your state’s governor. And the birth was reported in your state’s media, such as it is, on the same day it allegedly occurred. These things would tend to negate your “privacy” angle, Tom. A more plausible explanation is that young Trigonometry Palin wasn’t born there.

Oh my gosh, you guys. Please. What do I care if Trig is Bristol’s baby?

You have seemed to care a great deal up until now. Why the change of heart? It’s rather sudden.

This must be the problem with conspirators, when the truth stares them straight in the eyes, they don’t know how to recongize it.

I think you’ve been making an admirable attempt to distract us, but if not, then we’ll all know soon enough. I’m going to be checking my supermarket every week for the latest updates from the Enquirer. They always nail these stories.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Logician, thanks for the info on the Haiku. I’m far from ‘traditional’, tho. Also, wiki seems to forget to mention Matsuo Basho 1644-1694, Zen philosopher poet.

Thanks for the links to the photos, though I can’t seem to view them from the tinyurl.

31 08 2008
The Logician

And, Sue, your silence on the two pictures I posted is rather deafening, is it not?

31 08 2008
Sue Williams

Hey Clever Else. No worries. I know it must be beyond bizarre to think any of this is truly happening. Well, welcome to my world. I’ve had to live in it (crazy, insane, nonsensical Alaskan politics) for most of my life. But Friday’s announcement took the Insane to depths even I didn’t know existed.

If you can tear yourself away from the Sarah Stuff, sometime, just to clear your head, read up on our Congressman, Don Young.

He, all by his little wacky self, would provide enough material for Jon Stewart and the Colberg guy for a year. A year, I tell you.

Do you know that a growing number of former legislators (like one of our most recent Speakers of the House) populate federal pens up and down the West Coast? You can’t make this stuff up. Really. I wish you could, I promise. I wish, desperately, this wasn’t real time. But, it is what it is. Sarah is what she is and once the nation finds out, and once conservatives find out, and the Christian community finds out and heck, even good old John McCain finds out who and what Sarah Palin really is, then it’s all over.

But will they find out before the election?

That’s the only question.

31 08 2008
The Logician

I will try this again, then.

Sarah Palin, seven months pregnant with her first child:

Sarah Palin, seven months “pregnant” with her fifth child:

31 08 2008
Carathustra

I hereby suggest we leave behind the term ‘Palin-bots’ and instead adopt the far more amusing term ‘Palin-drones’.

Do i get a second on this one?

31 08 2008
Tom

Okay, Logician, I’m up for the challenge. Here is a picture of Sarah Palin as Miss Alaska:

I presume you’ve also seen other pictures of her “younger” days (such as when she was a sports broadcaster).

The point is that Ms. Size Zero was not quite so athletic and trim looking as a youth. In fact, this is none of our business, but I wouldn’t be surprised if her amazing 40-something figure isn’t the result of driving herself to extreme limits of exercise in order to bolster her body self-image.

Besides all that, there are a number of photos out there dated March and April 2008 showing her with a very large mid-section under her scarf-and-jacket combo (which, by the way, is what you would wear to hide a pregnancy).

Speaking of hiding a pregnancy, there is THE major flaw in your logic: if Sarah Palin wanted to have people think she was actually pregnant instead of her daughter, why wouldn’t she have wanted to APPEAR pregnant? Occam’s Razor and all . . .

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Tom-Yes, that is what she is saying but the following picture from People taken this Friday disproves it:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,

She looks like she’s wearing a maternity sheath! How does this shot prove she’s not pregnant?

You are right in that none of the photos show ‘proves’ anything.

Maybe all this is just complete nonsense and a waste of time to try to throw us off the trail of the alleged Republican ‘reformer’.

That’s what I’m going with for now.

31 08 2008
Onlooker

Sue Williams, I’m curious, where in Alaska do you live, and for how long?

31 08 2008
Sue Williams

My gosh, Logic. I thought you had calmed down. With all your Haiku talk, you’re a wee bit uptight – and I’m going to have to take a break here to go to church. Look: I’m assuming you and I couldn’t be more far apart politically.

Here’s who I am: Christian, wife, mom, business woman, proud (except for the past 42 hours) Alaskan, proud (except for the past 42 hours) American.

I know Sarah Palin. While I’m sure she has redemptive qualities; there are just so many reasons there is NO POSSIBLE WAY I would ever support her candidacy. Sarah is all about spin, spin, spin.

I’m not. You either are who you are, or get out. Sarah promotes the notion that she is the devoted and doting mom. But just do the math – while she has been running around the state, and now the nation, trying to advance herself, four children, who she and her husband made, are at home and could use a little mom time. There’s just not enough hours in poor Sarah’s day.

That, right there, I will look forward to my brothers and sisters in the Christian community trying to defend.

I remember very well when she ran for Lt. Gov in 2002. I didn’t know her nearly as well and was planning to vote for her. Then another woman and I got into a conversation. When she heard I was going to vote for Sarah she asked if I was a Christian. I said I was, and a very devoted one at that. Then she said, “How can you as a Christian and a mother support voting for someone to a position that will take them out of the daily life of their children for significant amounts of the time?”

I know this point is so anti-feminist. But it made me think. At the time Piper was like a year old or so. I chose to vote for another candidate. Then, by the time she ran for gov I’d seen enough of her and her self-serving ways that I knew there was no way I’d vote for her (actually, that was a secondary reason. I didn’t agree with her views on getting AK’s gas to market – but that’s another story).

Got to go. I’ll say a prayer for you, Logic. And for the nation. If ever we needed our eyes opened, it’s now.

(and don’t think I don’t know the things I’ve raised here won’t raise your or other’s ire: my beliefs – about mothering, about honesty, about church attendance, about prayer).

31 08 2008
The Logician

Tom, you keep posting irrelevant photos in hopes that it will distract people. A head shot of her as Miss Alaska? What does that have to do with the price of orange juice, anyway? You know, this sort of stuff might work in West Dogs***, Alaska, but now the whole country is watching.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

After all, the Nation Enquirer special edition can’t be far off. ;)

31 08 2008
The Logician

Clev, your link didn’t work.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Sarah promotes the notion that she is the devoted and doting mom. But just do the math – while she has been running around the state, and now the nation, trying to advance herself, four children, who she and her husband made, are at home and could use a little mom time. There’s just not enough hours in poor Sarah’s day.

Perhaps she should follow the example set by Michelle Obama, then?

31 08 2008
Tom

Clever Else: She looks no more pregnant in that picture than Willow. She is showing partial profile, isn’t behind anybody, and is facing out, not in (opposite of what someone hiding a belly would do). I do have to say, however, that several pictures on the Meghan McCain website do look a bit suspicious. On the other hand, the one picture of her leaning forward with her legs crossed is a pretty good contrary argument against third trimester. Certainly if she is not pregnant, we could safely assume the black smock dress is meant to hide something. Black works amazingly well for such things (look at pictures of Sarah Palin from early 2008).

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Sorry, it was a copied link from Tom’s post above. Bristol certainly appears to me as if she could be pregnant in this photo. I was only saying this photo doesn’t disprove that she’s prego.

Then again, young girls often wear those type of sheath things that are ugly and shapeless anyway. Thoughts?

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,00.html

31 08 2008
The Logician

As for Sarah Palin and Sue William’s (so she claims) doctor, Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who would never have a reason to lie for the governor, well, it would seem that the selfsame governor appointed her to an Alaska health policy commission. With what we know of how Alaska works, one might fairly ask what money-making opportunities might present themselves.

As for the doctor of the year award, or whatever it was, it might be worthwhile for someone to sniff around and see who might have recommended Dr. Baldwin-Johnson for that award.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Let me just state this…

If Bristol is pregnant, they aren’t necessarily trying to do anything except to not make it obvious. So they shove her in the bus. Or saddle her with the baby. Is she married to her boyfriend? If she is, this is all immaterial, since the extremist religious breeders on the far-right seem to start pretty early these days.

How exactly did we get off the topic of Trig, anyway? Who cares if the daughter is pregnant now or not?

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Logician,

Did you notice Dr. Baldwin-Johnson was a consultant and trainer on child abuse issues?

31 08 2008
The Logician

Remember, Clev, there are two theories here. Biologically speaking, they can’t both be true. Theory #1 is that young Trigonometry is not Sarah’s son, but her grandson by Bristol Palin. With the Down Syndrome possibly related to incest. Theory #2 is that Trig is Sarah’s son, and that Bristol is currently pregnant by her high school boyfriend.

I lean strongly toward Theory #1, although I’m agnostic on the incest angle. I think Theory #2 is a distraction planted by Sue Williams. I think the best evidence lines up in favor of Theory #1. I don’t think the picture you cited, which would bear on Theory #2, does a single thing to support it.

I continue to note that neither Sue Williams nor Tom have responded in any serious way to my having posted the one picture of Sarah Palin seven months pregnant with her first child, and showing quite routundly so be with child, versus the other picture of Sarah Palin “pregnant” with her “fifth child” (Trigonometry) and showing nothing.

And then there is the lack of a birth announcement by the hospital, which Tom insultingly and outrageously attributes to “privacy” concerns, when in fact the governor’s “pregnancy” was widely announced and the “birth” was covered in all of the state’s media on the day it “occurred.”

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Why would Gov. Palin not have called an OB-GYN during a high-risk pregnancy and delivery, rather than a family practice physician? Is there an OB-GYN mentioned? I may have missed something…

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Logician,

I do lean more toward’s Theory#1 as you state it. If the daughter were to be Trig’s real mother, perhaps she is only carrying around a little extra baby weight/belly. That would make sense.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Sorry, have to run. I’m late for meeting a friend. I may check back in later. Lmk if the ‘National Inquirer’ runs a story.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Why would Gov. Palin not have called an OB-GYN during a high-risk pregnancy and delivery, rather than a family practice physician? Is there an OB-GYN mentioned? I may have missed something…

When the truth comes out — and it will — I think we’ll learn that Bristol Palin gave birth to young Trigonometry at home and that Sarah and her husband picked up Trig, went to the hospital, and checked in. This would account for the lack of a birth announcement by the hospital. Blood tests all around would solve this one.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Oh, and by the way, note that the “birth” allegedly occurred in the wee hours of the morning. How many are on staff at the West Dogs***, Alaska community hospital in the middle of the night? They check her into a room, stick her in a bed, oh and maybe they didn’t pick up Trig on the way but the future mathematician was brought over at, oh, I don’t know, 5 in the morning.

There’s no need for Bigfoot or space aliens here. Just mom, dad, baby, and a doctor who’s been appointed to a lucrative health commission. Stranger things have happened, especially in the Frozen Northland.

31 08 2008
Tom

“Logician”: You wanted an explanation for why she might look very pregnant during an earlier pregnancy but not with the current one. I showed you the picture of a girl who could have easily put on 50 pounds or more while pregnant. Do you really think a Size 0 middle age woman who has obviously worked very hard to attain that shape would gain a similar amount of weight while pregnant? Do you even know any women?

“I like running the hills, that’s why I like it, I mean, it thrashes your guts and your lungs and your thighs…”

http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/02/20/my-visit-to-juneau-alaska/

By the way, watch the end of that video in the governor’s office when they do a close-up of her face and show her from the side. To me, she looks very much like she could be pregnant. At a minimum, she is much larger than normal and not in a “stuffed pillow” sort of way. She looks “stuffed 360″. Of course at the very end of the segment there is also footage of her scarfing down something while the cameras are still rolling . . . wonder why that might be?

31 08 2008
The Logician

Tom, you have to try harder. Oh, and I’m my mother’s fifth child. When I told her the Palin story, she laughed and laughed and laughed.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Tom, I just saw the video. I see no sign that she was pregnant. In the words of the videographer: “As for me and for the rest of us who visited Sarah back in February – I’m fairly certain we can say that we had no idea she was pregnant, nor do we think there is some huge scandalous cover up taking place.”

The videographer can’t know about a cover-up. But if you compare Palin in that video to this picture of her in the seventh month of her first pregnancy, I’d say she wasn’t pregnant when the video was shot.

31 08 2008
Bayo

Dear American in London,

there is nothing wrong with small town americans running for office. Abe Lincoln was one. George Washington and Tom Jefferson, too. I’m sure she’s a bright young talent in Alaska and eventually in the national Republican party.

I am in agreement with you on your other points. However, I do believe that it is important that we consider the population of the country at the time that these men were in office.

Ms. Palin is currently the governor of a state with a population that is smaller that all of NORTHERN VIRGINIA. Big concern here.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Looks like this story is hitting the big time — in England! The London Times calls the rumors about Palin’s fifth child “utterly unfounded,” without examining any of the evidence. I guess we’ll have to wait for the National Enquirer, then. They’ll get the story that the regular media is afraid of.

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31 08 2008
annie

logician Tom, maybe you need to review your materials from biology class. The human gestation period is nine months. Young Trigonometry was born April 18, 2008, one month early,

you don’t know trig was one month early. he could have been exactly on time. back up that gestation period one month, add 2 more, viola and the photo could have been taken in early fall when vristol was 3 months pregnant and the sun was shining in alaska.

the most damning evidence is a pregnant woman in the beginning stages of labor doesn’t board an airplane. period. regardless of the photos

31 08 2008
Dottie

Well, plainly Obama didn’t have Down’s Syndrome, and wasn’t a newborn baby when he was raised by his grandparents, so I think it’s a little different.

31 08 2008
Arun

I think Palin’s poor judgement shows – going from Texas to Alaska for her delivery- and not a attempt to cover-up a daughter’s pregnancy.

In fact, for me, the latter is understandable, even if foolish. The former is totally incomprehensible, however, and utterly disqualifies her for anything.

31 08 2008
BJ

Why would anyone think that it is an admirable trait for a mother risk the life and rearing of her children? Palin wears these as if they are badges of honor.

Obama’s mother on the other hand only sent him to live with his grandparents after she realized that he may not have been receiving the best education in Indonesia. He was ten years old.

31 08 2008
lower48

Hi everyone,

Reading all the comments and I am grateful to obtain very real insight into
small towns and small town culture. I forgot in small towns, with probable
rigid, religious parents, with need to control reproduction of their children (Remember birth control is bad and more importantly – It Works.) that female and pregnant children need to hustle to a pregnancy boarding school and be redeemed later, when the parent’s ideology and church doctrine fails.

I feel for the teen girl – she being used and controlled and being the worst
kept secret. No way to live as a human being.

Remember – your only sick as your Family’s Secrets?

Yes, the facts aren’t known here, however, there is enough non-photos
events described to warrant the National Enquirer looking into this
news story (see Edwards). Sorry, the Lower 48-Media is in McCain’s pocket. They won’t investigate until it hits the public newswire – somewhere else.

Pulin always felt like a “Harriet Meirs” choice to me, even before
hearing about this “living gaffe machine dashing from TX to AK”.

Also, I didn’t realize Pulin was aimed at a voter like me, Male, Adult and Lower 48. I thought she was bait for the PUMAs, which aren’t a serious movement anyways.

So….Men like me are suppose to see her smile 1st (being kind) and vote for
her?……

Sorry McCain, I am voting for your 1st Female Presidential Choice.

– PARIS!!!!

– Smart Choice – Paris is Hot. Paris as never been prego:)!

Okay, My real choices, are now for President are Bob Barr or Ron Paul- Real candidates. I haven’t made the final decision between the two.

McCain in my mind is now just a Stunt, desiring to be President,
with his “choice” for VP.

31 08 2008
BJ

Arun,

I hate to break it to you but once a woman goes into labor with her fifth child, I am sure that any obstetrician would tell you that it is PHYSICALLY impossible to control the delivery of the child for SEVERAL hours. Besides, isn’t it just sick to think that a woman would stand before a crowd of people and deliver a speach once her water is broken. Classless.

31 08 2008
BJ

Whether the girl was pregnant or is pregnant. Has this country lowered it’s standards to the acceptance of the Brittanys and Jamie Lynns as the norm with regard to our family values?

Isn’t it ironic that the state capitol sounds like “Juno”?

31 08 2008
Shaking My Head in PA

Wow…Alaska is way more exciting than I thought it was! Here in PA, we say that this story sounds like it came right out of West Virginia. So, I guess Alaska is simply “West Virgnia West!” Hey, at least politics will be exciting for the next few weeks!!! As a Democrat, I can’t wait!

31 08 2008
The Logician

you don’t know trig was one month early. he could have been exactly on time. back up that gestation period one month, add 2 more, viola and the photo could have been taken in early fall when vristol was 3 months pregnant and the sun was shining in alaska.

Well, I’m not always trusting of the media, but there were enough stories about the birth being a month premature that I tend to believe them.

the most damning evidence is a pregnant woman in the beginning stages of labor doesn’t board an airplane. period.

I think the story of her return from Texas is a steaming, stinking crock of (in deference to Mrs. Palin’s culinary preferences) moose feces. Everything about it is suspicious, to put it quite mildly. Could it have happened the way she said? Sure. And I might be Warren Buffett. But I’m probably not, and I don’t think she attended a half-day of speeches, gave one herself, and then flew from Texas to Alaska while leaking anmiotic fluid and having occasional contractions.

Yes, the facts aren’t known here, however, there is enough non-photos
events described to warrant the National Enquirer looking into this
news story (see Edwards). Sorry, the Lower 48-Media is in McCain’s pocket.

I completely agree. And how weird is this, to depend on the tabloids to save the country?

31 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

Ooh baby, baby
Autumn Enquirer will tell
Truth shall set you free

31 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

Hillbilly husband!
No Texas fishpickers for
Alaskan summer

31 08 2008
FDR

This Palin thing is a joke, she’s being pimped by a man that has been using women as stepping stones his whole life, John McShame enemy war collaborator. That for the links to the pics http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,00.html
Just one question is the bald guy in the suit the one that is afflicted with downs syndrome?

31 08 2008
annie

Well, I’m not always trusting of the media, but there were enough stories about the birth being a month premature that I tend to believe them.

why? it stands to reason this decision wasn’t made overnight. it took some planning. if sarah wasn’t pregnant how was she supposed to go full term and get bigger and bigger in the public eye? it makes perfect sense she would announce @ 7 months, deliver @ 8, and only be pregnant in the public eye for a month. besides, why would the media dig into the question of an early birth and not just repeat what they were told. i had a baby a month early, he was underweight. 6 lbs can be a normal weight for a baby. anyway i find it interesting you would chose to accept this one little factoid. i don’t.

31 08 2008
FDR

Hey you valley locals fill us in on Todd Palin? Very driven and smart women like Sarah usually have a spouse that matches up or else a real low key not too bright partner. So which is Todd?

31 08 2008
FifthGenerationLeftist

Wow…no version of this story makes Sarah Palin look like someone with a working brain. If it is true, that baby Trig is Bristol’s, she is under intense public scrutiny now. Did she really think this story would stay hidden forever? If the baby is hers, even worse, what was she doing screwing around in TX making speeches when her water had broken? Abortion by neglect?

Every version of this rumor discussed here makes her seem a bad mother, and a stupid woman with a terrifying lack of judgment.

31 08 2008
The Logician

i find it interesting you would chose to accept this one little factoid. i don’t.

annie, maybe I’m missing something but I don’t think it makes nearly as much difference as you do.

31 08 2008
The Logician

FDR, there is an assumption buried in there. Yes, Mrs. Palin is driven. Now, as for the hillbilly husband, I’d say the fishpicker comment he made pretty much says it all. If he were from Arkansas, his name would be Jethro Bodine.

31 08 2008
Tom

Logician, looks like you know one woman after all! Okay, it may have been dumb for me to state the lack of birth announcement could have been due to the Palins wanting privacy for a couple of days, but the fact still stands that online birth announcements with full names and photos require a signed consent. You insinuate the online nursery was taken down when it wasn’t. You also insinuate that a doctor who can fake a delivery at a hospital where she isn’t even a resident ( http://www.matsuregional.com/staff/show_alpha.php ) would be unable to get a fake birth announcement posted! Seriously, have you ever been to a hospital? Or had your children delivered at one?

Why would “CBJ” not have used a hospital where she was a big shot and presumably better able to bribe and blackmail?

http://www.providence.org/prdopportunities/meet_physicians.aspx

http://www.providence.org/prdopportunities/prov_ak.aspx?State=Alaska

Especially since it was also the hospital best equipped to handle “high risk pregnancies”. Wait . . . maybe it’s because Palin’s was NOT a high risk pregnancy. See Providence’s own description of what constitutes “high risk”:

http://www.providence.org/alaska/tchap/maternity/2highriskpregnancies.htm

if your baby is late;
if you have pre-eclampsia or pregnancy induced hypertension;
if your baby seems small for your expected due date;
if you have had previous problems in pregnancy;
if you have other medical problems, such as diabetes, kidney disease, high blood pressure, severe anemia;
if your baby is moving less than normal.

I don’t recall any of this being discussed as an issue with Palin.

31 08 2008
Patrick Bateman

Someone can easily check to see if Sue Williams is real. If you google you get a phone number in Wasilla AK. All I can say is that all of the verifiable info that she is stating can be found in the various newspaper articles that already exist on the web. There is nothing new coming from her other than rumors and allegations which can’t proven.

31 08 2008
Charles Darwin

This is just so gorgeous. I wish I had the copyright to Lawrence Kudlow’s comments on the Laura Ingraham Show Friday afternoon when he was gushing over Palin giving birth to a baby with Down Syndrome…I think he said something to the effect that “this is the strongest political biography in modern times.”

I knew we all had hit paydirt last night when out of nowhere CNN announced at 10:30 p.m. that Palin would be breast-feeding as she campaigns with McSame.

Hey Wing-Nuts, repeat after me: LANDSLIDE!

31 08 2008
Sue Williams

Oh my gosh, Logic – you’ve almost convinced me about your Bristol theory. But, in the middle of it all is a 17 year old young woman who is going to need a lot of mom time. Not to mention 4 month old Trig who could use some Mommy time, too.

31 08 2008
BJ

Haiku

Mommy scandalous
Run pipeline, royalty checks
Be it Eskiho

31 08 2008
FifthGenerationLeftist

I don’t think any of her kids have gotten much in the way of Mommy time ever.

31 08 2008
annie

maybe I’m missing something but I don’t think it makes nearly as much difference as you do.

like i said earlier, i am not relying on photos to make my determination. it only makes a different when refuting arguments like tom’s..

the pictures being touted all over the Internets as showing Bristol being supposedly pregnant are actually from summer 2007 and earlier

if she was due in april she was actually pregnant earlier last summer. no big deal.

31 08 2008
Groundhogday

While still skeptical about the whole “baby gate” thing, I can’t come up with a good explanation as to why the birth of Trig Palin is NOT recorded for April 18, 2008 on the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center website.

http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_name.php?start=60&step=30&count=503

Yes, parents can chose to keep a birth off the website, but when you immediately issue a press release the morning of the birth (as Sarah Palin did) what would be the point of keeping that information off the website?

At the very least, after doing a bit of research I find it INCOMPREHENSIVELY STUPID that an older mother (44 years old) leaking amniotic fluid with an at-risk baby in her womb would: (1) sit in a meeting (2) give a talk (3) drive to the airport (4) fly for most of a day and (5) drive all the way out to a small regional medical center to deliver her child. Yes there are gushing leaks and slow leaks, but ANY leak means get yourself to a good hospital under those conditions. I have no way to prove this didn’t happen, but if it did Sarah exhibited poor judgment in the extreme. Is a talk on energy policy to a group of governors more important than your baby’s life??!!!!

31 08 2008
annie

btw logician i love the 7th month photo you linked to earlier. from her first pregnancy.

31 08 2008
Dina

Well, I had PROM (a month early), and didn’t need to check into the hospital until ten hours later, at which point my labor slowed to nothing within 8 hours. I had to go home and relax to get labor going again and delivered 34 hours after the rupture. Traveling or anxiety can slow things down for some women, and the reason that hospitals place limits on post-PROM labor is that it isn’t always speedy.

I was mentally cogent until transition, as well, and had an easy labor with very little distraction from contractions. It does happen. So I can possibly, not probably, see someone much more determined than I am pulling off the speechmaking.

What I can’t see is getting through all the travel without anyone on the plane noticing. And I’m sorry, a more than 6lb baby, not looking pregnant? I don’t care how slender or tight you are or how little you gain. Go look at a six-pound chicken. No. Simply, No.

By the way – as a working woman, I functioned through all manner of pregnancy side effects, including urine leakage. Yuck. But doable and absolutely necessary in my circumstances. Being “classy” and keeping your job and reputation are often two different things.

31 08 2008
BJ

Her own actions show her views re: reputation(s).

31 08 2008
BJ

Dina,

were you too a mid fortyish woman carrying a special needs fetus during a high risk pregnancy?

31 08 2008
FifthGenerationLeftist

Bah. Any woman, of any age, with any baby-high or not, knows to get to her doctor if she begins to leak.

31 08 2008
¶ AIO

The Logician:

Thank you for your logic.
Sue and Tom are shills, probably bought and paid for by Sarah Palin.

¶ AIO

31 08 2008
FifthGenerationLeftist

Bah. Any woman, of any age, with any baby-high risk, or not, knows to get to her doctor if she begins to leak fluid.

31 08 2008
BJ

Sorry Dina, left out: was this also your 5th pregnancy?

31 08 2008
Patrick Bateman

Here is Sue William’s phone number:

http://www.google.com/search?q=sue+williams+alaska&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&pb=r&sa=X&oi=rwp&ct=title

Someone can call her if you are so concerned about all of this baby stuff. If it really is a Sue Williams from Wasilla, then you can probably have a long, intense conversation because she appears to love to talk. However, if the poster is just someone impersonating the (seemingly) real Sue Williams and spreading filth out Palin then you will find that out rather quickly as well. If it is an impersonator, that person should be sure to cease their activities because they could be facing potential legal actions. I guess the only other option is that the poster is such a conspiratorial plant that he/she created a fake name on Google and has relocated to Alaska simply to answer a local phone call and confuse a bunch of anonymous bloggers . . . Unlikely

31 08 2008
¶ AIO

“Dina,

were you too a mid fortyish woman carrying a special needs fetus during a high risk pregnancy?”
Comment by BJ

Yeah, Dina, that’s apples and oranges.

¶ AIO

31 08 2008
Groundhogday

“Sorry Dina, left out: was this also your 5th pregnancy?”

That is another key point. Usually later pregnancies go much faster. For first pregnancies prolonged labor, false starts, etc… are common.

My mom was HUGE for her 5th child. After 4 children, all of the surrounding tissue is so stretched out that my little sister was sprawling out of her womb. She wasn’t any fatter, it was just that everything wasn’t held in as tight. I find it very hard to believe that Sarah Palin would not have been obviously huge during her 5th pregnancy, regardless of whether she exercised, etc…

31 08 2008
The Logician

Diana, I don’t know what a PROM is, except for the one in high school. In any case, my understanding is that the docs don’t like women carrying Down Syndrome babies to go too far or do too much, because those fetuses have special vulnerabilities. Then there’s also the issue of Sarah Palin’s age, and it being (allegedly) the fifth kid.

Look, the thing about “one in a million” is that there really is that one case. But this just doesn’t add up for that mother to get on a plane, fly 3,000 miles to Texas in her eighth month, have her fluid leak while she’s there, and feel contractions, and then stay at a business meeting, give a speech, and then fly home for 3,000 miles and 10 or so hours, then be driven not to the big hospital in Anchorage but another hour to West Dogs*** to give birth.

I don’t believe it happened. Blood tests would convince me, but without objective confirmation I think your governor’s story is a crock.

31 08 2008
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s

Fun, fun, fun. I’m definitely setting my sites on Alaska as my next vacation.

31 08 2008
The Logician

I’ve been to Alaska a couple times. Hooterville with mountains.

31 08 2008
diogeron

Every woman I’ve talked to, including my wife and daughter, are insulted by this pick by McCain, view it as pandering of the worst sort, and say that it is evidence that McCain thinks women are so stupid that they will vote for a woman just because she is a woman regardless of her stance on issues. Yesterday, I heard two men at a football game, one a president of a bank, say exactly that and laud it as a “great pick” and say that “she’s a babe.” I told them they should be careful what they wanted, because they got it and will have to live with it.

My son said he had to have three interviews before being hired for a summer job in college as a busser for Outback Steakhouse but McCain met with this woman one time for 30 minutes and the next time offered her the position of the second most powerful position in our government. As he said, “What’s wrong with that picture?”

31 08 2008
AnitaBee

Sue Williams said that Sarah Palin’s doctor is Sarah’s doc is Cathy Baldwin-Johnson. It’s been widely reported that Palin gave birth at Mat Su Regional.

I just checked Mat Su Regional’s roster of doctors. Nobody by the name of Baldwin-Johnson practices there according to the online search tool.

Nobody by the name of Baldwin either. Or Johnson.

Also, on April 18, the date that Palin was supposed to have given birth to Trig there, two other births are listed but Trig’s is not.

Further, I’ve seen pix of Palin when she definitely was pregnant, online at the New York Daily News site. She’s big as a house: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/galleries/sarah_palin_family_photos/sarah_palin_family_photos.html (click on picture 7).

Now, look at pix of her supposedly late in her 7th month for the current pregnancy: http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

This was a fake pregnancy. As a woman who’s been pregnant and given birth, and known countless others who’ve been pregnant and given birth, I can’t imagine how anyone could believe differently. What a hoot!

31 08 2008
J

I think this blog should single-handedly put an end to the rumors. Bristol is clearly now well into a pregnancy and so could not have had a child four months ago.

31 08 2008
J

Here is the photo that proves it: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=117egpk&s=4 . This was taken on Friday, according to McCain’s daughter’s blog.

31 08 2008
Tom

To those who say this was a “high risk pregnancy”, please look up the term. Here is how Providence Health (where Cathy Baldwin-Johnson is affiliated) defines it:

http://www.providence.org/alaska/tchap/maternity/2highriskpregnancies.htm

if your baby is late;
if you have pre-eclampsia or pregnancy induced hypertension;
if your baby seems small for your expected due date;
if you have had previous problems in pregnancy;
if you have other medical problems, such as diabetes, kidney disease, high blood pressure, severe anemia;
if your baby is moving less than normal.

A Down syndrome baby is not necessarily high risk if ultrasound and other tests do not detect major physiological abnormalities.

As for amniotic fluid leaks, they come in different shapes and sizes. Immediate medical attention is required when the fluid is not clear but otherwise the first thing to do is call the doctor. Obviously, active labor means a pretty quick trip to the hospital (Palin was apparently having minor contractions). It is, however, a total fallacy that a woman needs to go immediately once her water breaks (and we don’t even know if Palin’s water broke, only that she allegedly “noticed” amniotic fluid).

At the same time, I can’t see any circumstance where a 10 hour flight would be a wise choice immediately after amniotic fluid leaked and there were minor contractions. My guess is Palin feared that if the baby got delivered in Texas and there were complications, he might have to stay in a Texan ICU for 3 months. Then she might have to make the “tough” choice of staying by his side or carrying on as Goobner several thousand miles away. This episode clearly brings her judgment and priorities into question.

The rest is pure tinfoil hat stuff at this point. Why, oh why, would Palin have said that she “noticed” amniotic fluid and had “minor contractions” to cover up a quick return to Alaska? Did she not know there would be criticism for making such an unusual, potentially reckless decision? Does a liar embellish a story in a way that casts additional suspicion?

And you’re telling me I have to try harder? Bizarro!!!

31 08 2008
284 Dan

This should resolve the issues as to whether Bristol Palin was at all pregnant late 2007 into early 2008:

Bristol Palin, summer 2007:

Bristol Palin, Late 2007:

Bristol Palin, early 2008:

She is either pregnant or found an odd obsession to Big Mac’s.

31 08 2008
284 Dan

Oops, my above post got goofed up. Review each image to see the amazing transformation from summer 2007 to early 2008. This chick was pregnant.

31 08 2008
BJ

diogern,

men should be insulted as well. Is a beauty queen all it takes for a fence sitting man to make up his mind?

31 08 2008
Parker CA

“Does a liar embellish a story in a way that casts additional suspicion?” -Tom

YES!!

31 08 2008
Tom

Logician: “Diana, I don’t know what a PROM is, except for the one in high school.”

Why open your mouth and prove you’re an idiot?

31 08 2008
BJ

Haiku

Republican games
Gustav causes contraflow
Republican save

31 08 2008
Tom

284 Dan:

“This should resolve the issues as to whether Bristol Palin was at all pregnant late 2007 into early 2008:

Bristol Palin, summer 2007:

Bristol Palin, Late 2007:

Bristol Palin, early 2008:

She is either pregnant or found an odd obsession to Big Mac’s.”

Your date stamps are all off! The photo you say is “Late 2007″ is not late 2007 but if it was, it would clearly show Bristol was not pregnant. In fact, that picture is from earlier in 2007.

The photo you say is “early 2008″ cannot possibly be that. Note Bristol is in short sleeves in Juneau and that can only be braved between April and October, but more likely just June – August. That picture was taken in the summer of 2007. (I think you goofed up and meant to say “Late 2007″ for this one but that would still be wrong.)

Your last picture was not taken in early 2008 but rather October 2006. It came from a sitting that included this

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8334949p-8231037c.html

Back to the drawing board with your conspiracy theory!

31 08 2008
The Logician

I’ve seen pix of Palin when she definitely was pregnant, online at the New York Daily News site

Anita Bee, I can’t find picture #7 at your link. Could you give a direct link to the photo? I am very interested.

Why open your mouth and prove you’re an idiot?

Now Tom, we can remain civil here.

Why, oh why, would Palin have said that she “noticed” amniotic fluid and had “minor contractions” to cover up a quick return to Alaska?

Because she got word that her daughter, Bristol, had given birth. She knew that, if she was going to pull this switcheroo off, she had to skedaddle back to Alaska. This was her cover story.

Did she not know there would be criticism for making such an unusual, potentially reckless decision? Does a liar embellish a story in a way that casts additional suspicion?

Well yes, liars often do that. Look at Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.

31 08 2008
Tom

Parker CA: “YES!!”

Well, you do have a point, after all she did lie about being against the bridge to nowhere . . . but seriously, that lie at least came with some potential payoff (being viewed by a few dopes as a fiscal conservative). This one had none. If she had lied, it would have been to make herself look better, not worse.

31 08 2008
The Logician

This one had none. If she had lied, it would have been to make herself look better, not worse.

It was a lie told in support of her big lie, i.e., being pregnant. Which made her look very good indeed. And even the smaller lie, while it remained undiscovered, made her look tough, which in today’s America is good publicity.

31 08 2008
Tom

Sorry Logician, I agree that we can remain civil, but you are making high falutin’ arguments about what “high risk pregnancies” are and about Down syndrome fetuses where you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. At least some of the mothers here who happen to be misinformed have some experience and genuine motives and concerns. You should really try doing some research first. The burden of proof is on you, and all I see is grabbing at straws.

31 08 2008
Parker CA

Tom, you seem to have some potential information to dispute the claims people are proposing, but I have a question.

From the most recent picture posted on daughter mccain’s blog, one could infer that Bristol has given birth to her first child within the last 3-4 months. You have been referencing pictures from time frames you claim are not late 2007 or early 2008, but can you provide any pictures that are from late 2007 or early 2008?

It seems strange that all of the photos being passed around, not including the most recent, are strangely void of any taken within the timeframe that Bristol may have been pregnant with this child.

I think the case could be closed if someone can locate a picture that is definitively from within the late 2007 or early 2008 months. Either she is pregnant, or she is not. The fact that she was out of school for months during this timeframe does not bode well for the support of the claim that the child is her brother rather than her son.

One other question. Why wouldn’t the father ever be pictured holding HIS son? There are photos with Sarah and each of the children holding the baby, but I have not seen a single one showing the father holding his OWN son. Very odd.

I am keeping an open mind about this one until there is some more solid evidence, but as many others have noted above, there are far too many loose ends in this story to give Sarah Palin’s claim to motherhood solid legitimacy.

31 08 2008
langx

Unless you’ve been dead for the last 8 years there is no reason to vote for a Republican.

Ever.

31 08 2008
Maddie

Who the hell flies across the country 8 months pregnant to give a political speech? Who continues to fly back after their water breaks without telling the airlines while carrying a special needs child and are in a high risk group due to your age?

Seriously bad horrific judgment. She put politics ahead of her own baby’s safety and health as well as her own. Disgusting.

31 08 2008
The Logician

you are making high falutin’ arguments about what “high risk pregnancies” are and about Down syndrome fetuses where you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Ah. Highfalutin’. Well then bucko, when the ol’ gal’ is over 40 and the kid’s is one a-them there what you call Down Syndromes, the doctors you know they don’t like the ol’ gal to get too far out of sight an’ they don’t like to have the ol’ gal even move around too much because them there Down Syndrome babies well they break easier than other ones.

Now generally speakin the airlines don’t like the fly the pregnant woman past six and a half months although I get that there Alaska Airlines by reason of being in the outback does it different, but at eight months even a young gal ain’t supposed to be on the plane, y’all hear?

This one’s a-wrapped clear around the tree like an unruly vine around the ‘shine still so I done think it’s a purty tall tale, y’all hear?

31 08 2008
rachelbirds

Haikuing may be
the answer here — no space to
parse pregnancy pix.

http://www.thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com

31 08 2008
emrysa

I have been reading this blog off and on today and I must admit – it is interesting to see the attempts to muddy the waters. divert, distract, put bad dates on pictures… throw ‘em off the trail. just have to muddy the waters enough to get through the next 2 months…

Those who are trying to muddy the waters should be ashamed at what you are trying to accomplish – this is potential blackmail material for the vice president of the united states. you really think it’s worth putting your country in danger that way? is it really worth it to you?

woman with her “5th” pregnancy, who does not look pregnant (but clearly looked pregnant in atleast one previous pregnancy), gives birth 29.5 hours after her water breaks. 5th pregnancy, people, 29.5 hours later. please.

mccain is a total idiot. this shows just how much he really cares about this country.

31 08 2008
Ben

Whew, thank you Sue Williams. I’m from Juneau, and learned about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy Friday morning (through a friend of a friend), and have been following this story all weekend. Everything you say makes sense, you’ve put this to rest for me. And I’ll second all of your comments on Palin’s lack of judgment and misplaced priorities. Thanks.

31 08 2008
moocow

Dirt-digging aside, this person is an ardent pro-lifer who advocates abstinence-only education. Anyone with half a brain knows abstinence-only education is a steaming load of useless b.s. Instead of acknowledging, yes, in the real world, that doesn’t fly, she’d prefer to perpetuate a ridiculous charade like this.

What else is there to do in an isolated mostly-rural places – drink and have unprotected sex of course.

31 08 2008
The Logician

you really think it’s worth putting your country in danger that way? is it really worth it to you?

They’re Christian Republicans. Need we say more?

31 08 2008
Maddie

that photo of Palin pregnant shows 80/90’s hair and different glasses. there is no way to tell who is the girl behind her. there are other photos showing her in March of this year and she does not look pregnant. No airlines would allow a woman on the plane without a doctor’s permission that far along. There are reports that nobody knew at the airlines and that Palin didn’t mention it. Seriously bad judgement all across the board. This photo is from another time and not from this year. Anyone can see that she is pregnant in that photo but it is clearly not from this year.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Who is the Heath family? They’re the ones who provided the old photo which I’ve now located on Yahoo News. It’s clearly not of Palin pregnant with her fifth child. If nothing else, the Sarah Palin in the photo had a much fatter face and a different hairstyle.

31 08 2008
JustDanish

Greetings from California and kudos to Sue Williams, for some very well written information about yur Gov.

OK, so I must say, that I never heard about Sarah Palin and honestly, when it was announced that she would be the VP on the Rep ticket I said “Sarah who?????, I gues Paris Hilton was too busy”

Well interesting reading stuff on this blog and others and I am sure all these information and more is going to hit the National Media within a week or two and suddenly, Alaska will be known as part of the US :-)

31 08 2008
CuriousLurker

Heath is Palin’s maiden name. The picture of her obviously pregnant is part of a collection of family pics. It clearly says that it is undated. I have read speculation that it is of when she was pregnant with Bristol. I don’t think anyone is trying to pass that one off as her pregnant with Trig. Its value is that it clearly shows that when she has been pregnant in the past, she was very obviously pregnant, to the point where it couldn’t be hidden by black suits and colorful scarves.

31 08 2008
Maddie

If Bristol got married, where is the marriage certificate?

31 08 2008
emrysa

They’re Christian Republicans. Need we say more?

well you have a point logic, but I would really, really like to think that even the right-wing fundies would be concerned about their country being blackmailed.

31 08 2008
Redwood Man

Regarding the picture of SP 7 months along with her first child…

I could be mistaken that I read it in this blog, but somewhere I read that the pregnant lady in the photo is Dianne Keller, the current mayor of Wasilla, and that the lady to Dianne’s left is Sarah. Here is a picture of the mayor… You be the judge:

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=51

Here is the picture of the pregant lady with the other lady to her left.

Maybe Sue can shed some light on this.

31 08 2008
31 08 2008
Tom

Groundhogday,

One good reason Trig’s birth is not recorded on the Mat-Su Medical website is because the parents must sign a waiver to have that information released to the public. Why didn’t they? There are more valid reasons I can think of that are not conspiratorial (never got around to it) than that are (couldn’t get around the system to fake the birth announcement after they were able to perfectly fake EVERYTHING else). In other words, you start from a bad assumption that the Palins had to do something to KEEP the information OFF the website. Instead, they had to do something to PUT the information ON the website.

You make bad assumptions about amniotic fluid leaks as well. In fact, some women do not deliver for WEEKS after they start leaking, especially if the baby is really premature. The relevant facts are how much fluid has leaked, how much is left, what color is it and what are the circumstances of the pregnancy. As far as age of mother, that is almost irrelevant. If anything, a woman with several similar prior and normal pregnancies might be considered lower risk (perhaps someone like Palin?). The Down syndrome itself does present a risk but testing would have already established the presence of severe, life-threatening cardiovascular or other problems requiring immediate postnatal intensive care. Otherwise, Down syndrome babies don’t appear to have a much higher rate of delivery complications compared to the average population.

Perhaps the weakest argument that is being made here is that once the Palins landed in Anchorage, why they didn’t just go to the nearest hospital? Well, what if she wasn’t leaking fluid at the time and she wasn’t in active labor? Should she sit around at some hospital an hour from home waiting to be induced? Unless her amniotic fluid was a pussy yellow-black, no OB/GYN would have told her to go to the “nearest” hospital at that point.

The problem seems to be that so many people view medicine as an absolute, yet in real life it is practiced based on probabilities. And the field of obstetrics is no exception. Look, for example, at the decision to have an amniocentesis — the test for conditions like Down syndrome — which itself carries the risk of miscarriage. Or, the calculation that goes into NOT having every woman in early labor rush immediately to the hospital.

Again, I’m not trying to defend any Palin decisions, just trying to poke hole in conspiracy theories. And boy, this is a pretty juicy one!

31 08 2008
The Logician

Haiku

Andrew Sullivan
Gay but not sunstruck: right wing
Truly objective

31 08 2008
CuriousLurker

according to this site the photo is of a pregnant Governor Palin, the photo being donate by the Heath family. This is from the AP

31 08 2008
The Logician

Tom, by all means keep digging, and let us know when you’ve reached China. Now that Andrew Sullivan has picked it up, you can be sure that the national press now swarming into Hootville with mountains will find out the truth. If I were Sarah Palin I’d insist on riding on the same aircraft with John McCain when they go down to New Orleans.

31 08 2008
ProfRobert

I’m from New York City (the building I grew up in in Manhattan had almost as many people as Wasilla!) and have found the comments here fascinating. I hope you all won’t mind two cents from the 51st State (as a lot of us New Yorkers wish we’d be).

Politically, I don’t think it matters whether Trig is Bristol’s or Sarah’s. Sarah is either a lying grandmother who used her teenaged daughter’s pregnancy falsely to bolster her own pro-life credentials, or she’s a wildly irresponsible mother who jeoparized the life of her one-month-premature, special-needs baby for the vain reason that she didn’t want him born in Texas (wonder how that will go over with the base in the Lone Star State). Either way, her judgment is so unreliable as to disqualify her and McCain from national office.

A few points responding to the above. My wife is expecting our first child at the beginning of October. She is 41, and thus is automatically considered a “high-risk” pregnancy, though so far so good. Her Ob. forbade her from flying from August on. The idea that if her water broke today (33 days before her due date) that she’d get on a plane for 7 to 12 hours is ludicrous.

Down’s Syndrome is NOT caused by incest. Although incest can lead to genetic problems (e.g. hemophilia), it is because of the increased likelihood of two recessive genes from related parents. Down’s Syndrome is based on having an extra chromosome 21, which is a mutation, not a recessive condition.

J, the recent photo of Bristol looking heavy does not necessarily mean she is pregnant now. A lot of women continue to carry their baby weight for months (or years) after giving birth.

On balance, the evidence that Trig is Sarah’s grandson is more persuasive to me, but either way, when the mainstream media gets a hold of this story, it’s going to be very, very bad for the McCain ticket.

P.S. I loved Alaska when I visited 10 years ago. I took the railroad all the way between Seward and Fairbanks, and bopped around the glaciers and valleys outside Anchorage. The natural beauty was just jawdropping. I hope some day to come back with my wife and soon-to-be son!

31 08 2008
Maddie

If I were Sarah Palin I’d insist on riding on the same aircraft with John McCain when they go down to New Orleans. <blockquote

According to Charlie Black Palin is supposed to sit at McCain’s feet to learn the ropes – uggg so wrong on a million offensive levels…

31 08 2008
Kyle

thought this might be of interest: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-70930

31 08 2008
Mooseburger Lover

I checked out the pictures of the Palins on the McCain blog and found these two of BP that were interesting;

31 08 2008
karion

RedwoodMan – interesting information. Apparently, Dianne M. Keller is Sarah’s cousin and recently survived a recall campaign.

God, this is just so weird. And Tom? It is the cumulative weirdness that builds the story. Poke holes all you want (the one about it not being on the hospital website is crap and you know it), but looking at the totality, something is amiss here.

Logician, you are doing good work here.

Anyone want to take a guess why Bristol and the baby aren’t on stage with the rest of the family? Or mentioned anywhere in today’s posting from Megan McCain blog? When she was featured so prominently yesterday, holding Trig, before all this exploded?

31 08 2008
emrysa

kyle:

whoever made that video is one who is attempting to muddy the waters. throw the false statement out there so when it is disproven then automatically people think the entire story is disproven.

that “interview” was originally posted on a travel blog at the beginning of feb 2008. there’s no way that interview was done in april, as the person who made the video on “ireport” states. it was made prior to the 2nd week of feb 2008.

31 08 2008
HeidiAH

Having lived with an OBGYN for a long time, leaking amniotic fluid causes great concern about the risk of infection and would not be made light of with any one, especially with a high risk pregnancy.

And, NO, flying in the 3rd trimester, is not recommended for any one, especially someone who is having their fifth child. Labor, generally, goes faster after multiple pregnancies, not slower. Additionally, 6 lbs is a small baby, and as such would deliver easily.

Also, tendons and ligaments, once stretched, streatch a lot easier, sooner, than those never stretched…There’s no way she was 7 months along. If she the pictures I’ve seen of Palin from this spring are of her pregnant, I am hard pressed to believe it.

31 08 2008
Kristin Wolke

Ah, the plot thickens… enter “C-Ray”, or Chris Ray.

Chris Ray is a 16 year old from a town called Palmer, AK. Population: 6,920.

http://pics.livejournal.com/billylickalolly/pic/0002s360

…Who up until 2 days ago, had this as a MySpace page:

“I LOVE BRISTOL PALIN MORE THEN ANYTHING IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!”

Until it was taken offline. Of course, there’s Google, and when his page was indexed by Google on July 20, it captured:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Chris+ray%22+%22Bristol+Palin%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Interesting side note: When Sarah Palin supposedly gave birth, she flew from Texas to Seattle to Anchorage, and then drove 2+ hours (bypassing regional hospitals in anchorage that had special wards for preemies and downs babies) to Mat Su Regional Hospital to give birth.

Guess where Mat Su Regional Hospital is?

Why, none other than the town where Chris Ray lives, and goes to high school… Palmer, AK! probably the hospital where Bristol gave birth!!! to their child.

Tsk tsk tsk.. Somebody call Maury. I think we have a baby daddy who needs a paternity test! :)

31 08 2008
emrysa

kyle:

here is the blog in question, with the original video:

http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/tag/sarah-palin/

31 08 2008
Merg

To J, thank for the pic for the McCain Daughters Website. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=117egpk&s=4 It shows Bristol as a girl who could very well have been pregnant and delivered, in April. Excess pregnancy weight frequently hangs around for many months after delivery….even when breast feeding. It is important to note here that the tiny pic you linked or copied to your site, doesn’t seem to be on Meghan McCain’s blog spot that was linked in a previous post any more!!!!! http://www.mccainblogette.com/ I wonder why????
Also, if the Dr Bailey-Johnson does not want to lie for Palin, the doc may just find ways to make herself scarce and unavailable for futher comment. Lets all watch what happens.
Oh and Sue, I do believe you are who you say you are and that you have heard these things from people who should know. But, I think it is still entirely possible that Sarah Palin would have lied and tried to cover this up, even to close friends, if the stakes were this high+VP.

31 08 2008
Kyle

thanks emrysa. i wasnt trying to throw coal on the fire, just saw something that hadn’t yet been linked to. i like discussion, that’s all.

31 08 2008
Kristin

do you see the difference NOW????

pic of sarah’s FIRST pregnancy at 7 months

pic of sarah’s alleged FIFTH pregnancy at 7 months

31 08 2008
Parker CA

“It is important to note here that the tiny pic you linked or copied to your site, doesn’t seem to be on Meghan McCain’s blog spot that was linked in a previous post any more!!!!! http://www.mccainblogette.com/ I wonder why????” – Merg

Look on the archived page from yesterday. The photo is still there.

31 08 2008
dan

Fascinating stuff!

May I suggest to those doing the research that a public wiki/timeline of this issue be created? This would allow for individual photos/events of interest to be arranged and edited chronologically, and for each item to be fully substantiated (or not!).

An objective, community-maintained forum with a collection of facts (rather than hearsay) would be very credible… and necessary, given that this story could “break” to a larger audience any minute now!

31 08 2008
Cricket

One thing doesn’t make sense, though. If Trig’s mother is 16 year old Bristol, why would an amniocentesis have been done (letting the parents know that the fetus had Down’s syndrome)? Young mothers don’t typically get this risky test.

31 08 2008
CuriousLurker

it would make sense if they detected abnormalities in the routine tests or ultrasound and then did the amnio.

The thing is that all of these questions could very easily be answered by the Palin’s providing some documentation. Put it all out there in verifiable form and all of this goes away. There really are just too many peculiarities for this just to be dismissed.

31 08 2008
31 08 2008
emrysa

kyle: no problem. I wasn’t accusing you, but I do wonder what the motivation is of the person who made the video on ireport…

31 08 2008
J

Merg,

You may be right: It may be post-pregnancy excess weight.

The pic is still on Meghan McCain’s blog, just not on the main page. Look under Sat. Aug. 30th.

31 08 2008
Gabrielle

“She had to make decisions,” Rudy Giuliani told Face The Nation anchor Bob Schieffer. “All Senator Obama has had to do is talk. That’s all he does.”
He’s never run a city, he’s never run a state, he’s never run a business, he’s never administered a payroll, he’s never led people in crisis. I think that she (Palin) already has more executive experience than Biden and Obama combined.”

Looks like there a quite a few typical DU’ers here posting all their vile, evil, vicious and revolting rumour mill tactics, they like to call themselves progressive, well, progressively getting more regressive is true and more to the point. What an illmannered uneducated bunch they are.
Disgusting.

31 08 2008
Jane

Yeah just a thought here. All you people who are NITPICKING A TEENAGE GIRL’S BODY FAT? You people are sick. I really hope that none of you are Democrats, because that is just so unspeakably crass and irrelevant I can’t even begin to think that people in the party that so champions womens’ rights would even think that way. Tearing this girl apart for her physical appearance is unbelievably inappropriate. And all for what? To make a completely irrelevant, impossible to prove, manipulative petty political point? The baby thing? IT’S A RED HERRING. It does not, and if actual intelligent, reasonable people were the voters in this country, WOULD NOT, matter. It really doesn’t. Why not? Because not only will you never know the truth, but there are so many other, more valid reasons why Palin was a poor choice and further proof of McCain’s unsuitability to lead this nation. Such as? Well. Petty baby-related arguments aside (see, women are actually capable of doing things other than delivering babies), Sue Williams, the Alaska Republican, raised some excellent points. Do YOU want someone who is so ill-prepared to become the default president in the perhaps not so unlikely event that Senator McCain passes away while in office? The people who know her best – those who supposedly would be the first in line to support her – don’t seem to think so. To me, that says it all. I don’t want this woman’s finger on our proverbial national trigger. Leave that girl (and her insipid mother’s uterus) out of this.

31 08 2008
jackpine savage

The most interesting internet comment thread that i may have ever read. Kudos to all. If Sue is a plant, then she is an amazing plant…more of a towering tree than a plant, really. (and so good that she’s worth reading for her horticultural excellence)

I look forward to finding out the soap-operatic truth. Small town America (i live it) is looking like it will hit the big stage, and i’m not so sure that our collective, idyllic image of it will survive the encounter.

P.S. the haikus were great.
P.P.S. Sue, are there others in your community who would be willing to tell us their thoughts? (not to corroborate you, just to hear them…it is rare that we get offered a personal glimpse of our would be leaders)

31 08 2008
CuriousLurker

“To make a completely irrelevant, impossible to prove, manipulative petty political point? ”

It’s completely irrelevant that the possible future Vice President of the United States either lied about her pregnancy or showed remarkable bad judgment?

And it’s not impossible to prove. If a bunch of ordinary people with a little too much time on their hands can poke this many holes in the story, why didn’t the McCain campaign already know this and choose someone else faaaaaaaaaar better suited to be, as someone said, a 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency?

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Kristen,

Best work since Logician. Most of the pics, other than Kyle’s video, are posted earlier on this thread. I think finding the possible ‘baby daddy’ is a stroke of genius.

BP appears as if she easily could have given birth a few months ago, and is, strangely, the one holding the baby most of the time, even in group family pics.

And who mentioned about the ring on her finger? It looks like an engagement ring.

31 08 2008
Jane

Way to miss the point! There is no justification for the kind of nitpicking these people are doing on this girl’s body. None! Those pictures and the accompanying analysis prove nothing. Any OB/GYN will tell you that different women show pregnancy weight in different ways, and it is COMPLETELY NORMAL for a teenage girl to fluctuate in weight while not pregnant. And if she was pregnant? I still fail to see how that is a valid political point. These are not the types of arguments that should be making or breaking elections. I enjoy schadenfreude as much as the next guy, but this is over the line of relevance AND taste. I have supported Obama from the very moment he announced his candidacy – I registered as a Democrat for the first time in my voting history – and I’d like to know that he won this election without the “help” of petty, sexist arguments like this.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Curious Lurker- excellent, and comical points. It’s obvious that SP is highly un-qualified in any and all cases to be VP of the USA.

I don’t believe she ever was properly vetted, especially due to the trooper scandal- they never bothered to interview anyone involved.

I think we might be able to chalk up her choice to McCain’s obvious weakness for beauty queenns.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Jane- This is not a personal thing about the daughter. I feel very sorry for her. I’m not poking any fun at her body or body-type. We all got into this thread to ponder a conspiracy theory. It is difficult to do that while leaving out BP, unfortunately.

None of this will make or break Obama’s election results. I for one am just sick and tired of the sheer hypocrisy of the neo-con agenda, the lies and obfuscation. If this were about the Obama family, the same thing would be going on.

Please try not to take it personally. No one is making fun of the teenager, only trying to prove her mother to be a potential liar.

31 08 2008
JohnnyBoy

Ok – i looked it up – 80% of Downs Syndrome cases are in women under 35 – this is just due to the sheer numbers of babies born to this age group. The causes of Downs are unknown – the result of the whatever causes it is the extra chromosome in each cell. Women over 40 have the most percentage – but there are very few babies born to this group – so the percentage of all is small – but in this group large – unknown why. One type – Balanced Translocation – can be inherited. So Sarah knew from previous pregnancy that she had this condition and could have passed it to her daughter. She was a carrier. So they tested the daughter and knew the baby had Downs. I missed this part i admit, but i assume it was public knowledge before the baby was born that the baby had Down’s – did she announce it ?
(There is no evidence that incest causes the condition)

31 08 2008
CuriousLurker

Way to cherrypick, Jane! No one here is nitpicking over whether or not Bristol is fat. Some have observed that she appears to either be pregnant or having recently given birth, particularly in the photos from Meghan McCain’s blog. This supports the two stories advanced here, that either Sarah or Bristol had Trig. Sue Williams is claiming that Bristol is pregnant right now and claiming she knows this because she lives in Wasilla. I have to say that Sue sounds very credible to me, but there are still a number of holes in the story. And yes, this is not the kind of story that should make or break an election…but this story shouldn’t even be out there because the McCain campaign should have done their job and thoroughly vetted Palin before choosing her for the ticket. Had they done that, we wouldn’t be here. But they didn’t and we are, and it’s indicative of the rash, off-the-cuff decisions McCain makes and exactly why he should be no where near the red button.

31 08 2008
karion

Also, any guess why her doctor didn’t deliver at the hospital at which she works, and Palin’s hometown? Which has a department for high risk pregnancy? But rather opted for Mat-Su Regional Medical Center, which is now offline?

I don’t know my Alaska geography whatsoever, but considering that she claims she consulted with her doctor, who sort of gave the go-ahead for the flight, it is beyond bizarre that she didn’t go to, uh, her doctor’s hospital, in her hometown.

More weirdness.

31 08 2008
BJ

None of this would be any of our business except that SP decided to run for VP. That makes it our biz. We have a right to know whether or not she is a liar, a hypocrate or can barely manage her familial affairs. It is all indicative of her moral fiber or lack thereof.

31 08 2008
Jane

Thanks Else. I understand that perfectly well. But as with everything on the internet – you make your point, I make mine. As I said, I like political schadenfreude, but I think it’s sad when people stoop to analyzing a 17 year old’s body fat in the name of politics – it doesn’t matter what the end is. To me, this is just about as empty and offensive a line of discussion as the Obama/Osama “Barack Hussein” BS. I just think, and you may disagree all you want, that Americans should hold themselves to higher intellectual standards than this crap. There are far more damning things about Palin than this, as has been pointed out in this thread.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

I’m becoming quickly less interested in the baby story, and more interested in her own special interest issues. Like buying votes…

Among the governor’s most recent accomplishments was the State Legislature passing Senate Bill 4002. Using revenues generated from state resources to provide a one-time special payment of $1,200 to each eligible Alaskan, it returns part of a substantial budget surplus (a portion of which came from the original funding for the “bridge to nowhere” that AK got to keep), provides energy relief and a rollback of gas taxes. How might this affect the decision of voters as they go to the polls in November?

Anyone out there from AK receive this money?

31 08 2008
Leila Abu-Saba

Hi Sue Williams – I believe you are who you say you are, and I thank you for your direct comment. Just want to send you my own good wishes and prayers. I am a feminist, left-liberal, gay-loving, hetero & married 46-year-old California mom of two kids including one with special needs. I believe in God and prayer although you and I might not line up exactly on doctrine. (understatement) I want you to know that although we are completely at odds on politics, abortion rights and gay rights, I have no problem whatsoever with your views on motherhood and family, prayer, and faith. For instance, I too would never choose to run for office (dear lord) while mothering four children, and then have a fifth, special needs or no, and run for vice president, whether qualified or not. My kids need me – both of them – and I share your concern about what kind of family choices this governor has made. I am more “libertarian” on the subject – in theory I believe it’s none of my business – but in practice I think the kids need an attentive, caring parent who does mom-like behavior. If that’s the gay uncle who does it , fine. I *really* don’t understand running for VP while raising an infant. When does she get any sleep?

One thing about this whole kerfuffle is that you and I get to “meet” in cyberspace. I want to reach out to you as a sister American mom and give you my blessings and warm wishes. Sincerely, your liberal feminist compatriot. God Bless America.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Seems to me SP has sided with big oil&gas, in addition to several other industries at the expense of the people and the environment of the State of Alaska. She’s a member of the Alaska Miners Association and the Alaska Resource Development Council (hint- their agendas are not environmentally friendly).

She was thrilled with getting the Supreme Court to review ‘tailing’ (disposal of mine waste on sensitive land). Was this not a conflict of interest considering her affiliations?

She’s a reformer? That’s a joke. The only guys she ‘investigated’ were from the old boy network, and she got them out of the way in a hurry in order to forward her own (or maybe someone else’s altogether) agenda.

31 08 2008
CuriousLurker

I admit that I am interested in the baby story because when I first heard about her, my reaction was “What the hell is someone with a newborn doing running for Vice President?” And before anyone jumps in with the women can work and be a mom at the same time, yes, but this is Vice President of the United States. Then the rumors about said newborn surfaced and it’s been like going down a rabbit hole…it gets more and more peculiar.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

I’m thinking that the owner of this blog is gonna lose her mind when she gets back from vacation and has to read through this entire thread! LOL!

31 08 2008
LaMarie

Sue Williams… I want you to know that you’ve thoroughly “enlightened” me to Sara Palin! Have you been contacted by the MSM about Sara Palin? I swear [loosely]; you should be doing interviews and educating the rest of America on Sara Palin.

Everyone has their story; but your information has been like reading a novel that you just can’t put down until you’ve reached the last page!

31 08 2008
emrysa

good grief.

and we wonder how people like gwb are able to get so many votes. couldn’t be that we have so many suckers in this country.

31 08 2008
independent woman

I have been reading this blog with an odd sense of sliminess creeping over my fingers making it hard to respond.

It does ring of the propaganda that they wrote about Obama and people are reading this and saying to themselves WTF.

But maybe, just maybe it will make them slow down, back up and let the spell cast by the witch ( oh wrong fairy tale, that’s not Beauty and the Beast) wear off.

After Obama wins we all need to meet and have a mudflat convention here in NYC, I’ll host and we’ll take pictures and post them on the blog.

Tahnk you all for making my day as I have been under the weather and this was the only thing that kept me from falling into paralysis.

Clark Kents, Lois Lanes.. Love you all!

31 08 2008
Maddie

If you go to McCainblogette and look at the photos from 8/30 they have a “family” photo of the Palins and McCain’s the couples no kids but the baby – they are using the baby as a prop and that is beyond disgusting. Especially when the Mother supposedly flew across the country at 8 months pregnant after her water broke.

I don’t know of any woman unless they are out of their mind who can accept Palin as someone who has good judgment.

31 08 2008
independent woman

btw am i the only nervous that Sue hasn’t posted a response in hours. Why do i feel like double locking the doors?

31 08 2008
ed
31 08 2008
Shoshanna

What a family. The oldest son slacked all through school and couldn’t get into college with his 2.00 gpa so he goes into army to save face. Teen daughter gets knocked up and mom assumes the pregnancy while teen says out of school with a ridiculously long case of mono. Mom sees it fit to leak amnio while giving speeches and aboard extended airline flights. I can only wonder if the Palins would pass an interview with Child & Family Services from a lower 48 state.

31 08 2008
Gabrielle

As a former Hillary supporter I am ashamed of what the Democratic Party has become. As an old timer (I’m almost 70 years old) I can truthfully say the REAL Democratic Party has gone forever, replaced by the most foul, mean-spirited, ugly group of liberals that I have ever encountered.
From Don Fowler joking that the timing of Hurricane Gustav shows that God is on the side of the Democrats, not stopping for a moment to think of the dangers posed to those living in it’s path, to the protesters at the RNC convention with their buckets of urine and feces (per the police chief on C-Span this morning), to the sick Michael Moore and the even sicker Keith Olbermann, not to mention the filth posted on the ‘Democratic Underground’ I just don’t recognize my party any more. JFK and Dr. King would turn in their graves. I am so saddened and ashamed at it all.

31 08 2008
emrysa

btw am i the only nervous that Sue hasn’t posted a response in hours.

do you really think that the “real” sue williams from tinytown alaska is going to come on here and spill tinytown’s dirt?

if you were in “sue’s” situation, wouldn’t you blog with a fake name? I can’t believe all the suckers.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Independent, you just made me laugh!

31 08 2008
fem dem

I have to say, as a strong Obama supporter, and as someone who is adamantly opposed to both McCain as President and his choice of Palin as VP, this thread is enough to make me feel sorry for her. All the conspiracy theories and holes in this story aside, this is ridiculous. So, thank you Logician, not only have you not convinced me of the incestuous, hidden pregnancy, but you have actually gotten to me to admire Sarah Palin as a woman who has to put up with this kind of undignified bullshit.

And incest? Give me a fucking break.

Thanks to Sue and Jane. Sue, I hope you’ll change your telephone number so you aren’t bombarded.

31 08 2008
JustDanish

Karion..interesting notation, Matsure Regional was online earlier and I looked at babies born on April 18 and none were Palin. Now I just went back to that page, as I book marked it a few hours ago and they are all gone and doesnt work.

31 08 2008
Clever Else

emrysa- we aren’t all suckers. I’m not sure who ‘sue’ is, but someone googled her name and phone # earlier in the thread. She’s also posted in other threads on this blog…not quite sure what her agenda was/is.

31 08 2008
pasc

McCain had to supply his medical records. Won’t Palin have to, too?

31 08 2008
JustDanish

YUP….this Page is down and out, at least for now, but did work earlier.

Welcome to Mat-Su Regional Medical Center.April 18, 2008. Baby Boy Isaiah Travis. Father, Justin Travis. Mother, Erin Chantal. DOB, 04/18/2008. Time, 1:27 AM. Weight, 7 lbs 14 oz. Length, 20.00 in …
http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/show_day.php?month=04&year=2008&day=18 -

31 08 2008
JustDanish

BUT someone was smart to clip and posted the page when it was up earlier.

http://www.clipclip.org/clips/detail/239347/welcome-to-mat-su-regional-medical-center

31 08 2008
independent woman

I admit that Sue and Tom are likely red herrings, but that doesn’t mean anything with the incompetency of that lot. Ever heard of friendly fire?

LMAO the first laugh I had in two days since I choked when I heard the VP pick cause I was drinking some tea. Lawd! lawd! lawd!

They might be trying to exorcise her in church. I’ve seen those movies, it always happens in a small town….. Children of the Corn, Body Snatchers….

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Sue could just be a sweet, super chatty lady from AK who really dislikes Palin…or not.

On to the real stories, enough about the conspiracy baby theory for me. If it’s a story, we’ll see it somewhere. SP’s already been proven a liar about the bridge to nowhere “she was for it before she was against it”.

Thanks for the interesting day.

31 08 2008
31 08 2008
independent woman

Night clever,

Danish the site is still up it is just getting more hits today then it usually gets in a year. Their server will be down by the morning.

31 08 2008
Gabrielle

fem dem, these people have no shame, nor decency.

31 08 2008
Shoshanna

So their is actually someone posting here from Wasilla? Wonder why they didn’t bother mentioning that McCain has just begun vetting Palin. His campaign vetting team now has eight rooms reserved at a Wasilla hotel, and will begin background checks and investigations this week, per one Andrew Halcro.

31 08 2008
sigh

For the edification of those who don’t know Alaska geography, according to Google Maps, Palmer and Wasilla are 22 miles apart, and the Mat-Su regional medical center is pretty much right between the two towns.

The Mat-Su hospital is 36 miles from Anchorage and the drive would probably take about 45 minutes, not the 2+ hours claimed by others in this thread.

31 08 2008
Moose

Tom,

You’re doomed, Bud. Give it up. I’ll put my money on Sue Williams.

Here’s a pic taken backstage at the VP announcement. You can clearly see McCain in the background having makeup applied, and Sarah and Bristol in the foreground. Bristol is holding Sarah’s baby.

She is clearly pregnant.

31 08 2008
Moose

Ooops! Sorry. Here’s the pic:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=117egpk&s=4

31 08 2008
Shoshanna

Correction: McCain has an 8-member vetting staff that have reserved ALL the rooms at the Wasilla hotel to begin their work checking out Sarah P. Who knows, maybe Sue’s with them, now!

31 08 2008
Bettina

I wasn’t so sure about this story at first, but something about it seems to be true. After looking at the photos on McCainBlogette, there seem to be some inconsistencies about this family. Bristol looks clearly pregnant in a few shots and very unhappy in most of the shots. Then in a later photo a top McCain advisor is carrying the baby blanket prop they used to cover Bristol’s stomach during the announcement. Then the girl basically disappears from the place.

Did she leave the campaign trail? Are they now worried about how she looks? Something strange is going on. I thought this VP pick was insane from the beginning, but this is all too crazy! What happened to the People photos? I looked all over their site and they aren’t there. Hmmmmm.

31 08 2008
Gabrielle

Talk about obsessive compulsive!

31 08 2008
Groundhogday

“Also, any guess why her doctor didn’t deliver at the hospital at which she works, and Palin’s hometown? Which has a department for high risk pregnancy? But rather opted for Mat-Su Regional Medical Center, which is now offline?”

As far as I can tell, the Providence department for high risk pregnancy is in Anchorage. However, Providence Mat-Su does have a maternity center. The Providence clinic was actually founded by Sarah Palin’s doctor.

http://www.providence.org/alaska/tchap/maternity/parenting.htm

Question for Sue Williams: is the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center better equipped for neonatal care? (Though if that were an issue, why not deliver in Anchorage?)

31 08 2008
The Logician

Down’s Syndrome is NOT caused by incest. Although incest can lead to genetic problems (e.g. hemophilia), it is because of the increased likelihood of two recessive genes from related parents. Down’s Syndrome is based on having an extra chromosome 21, which is a mutation, not a recessive condition.

I can readily accept what you’re saying. I am also aware that there are several hundred thousand people with Down Syndrome, and that the common belief that they are products of incest is hurtful to them.

Here are my questions:

1. Is all Down Syndrome caused by this mutation?

2. What causes the mutation?

3. Are there any conditions that closely approximate Down that are or could be incest-related?

4. Has anyone ever done a reliable study comparing the rate of Down Syndrome offspring of incestuous unions with those in non-incestuous unions?

31 08 2008
Kim

Most of the “evidence” given in this doesn’t prove a thing. I’m with Tom – I love conspiracies, but they’ve got to be substantiated or they are just gossip.

Most pro-life Christians I know would not hide their unwed daughter’s pregnancy. Several of my friends or relatives have dealt with this type situation – either a quickie marriage or daughter just raises baby in the parental home. I don’t think it is as big a deal as folks claim to have a daughter with a baby out of wedlock (even in very conservative Christian circles). Why would Sarah have to cover for her? It would be even a bigger pro-life statement to stand behind a pregnant teen.

I know several teen girls who have a “pregnant-looking” belly that goes in and out depending on their weight gain. And none of them have given birth… not every woman gains her weight in her thighs and rear. By the way, little Piper Palin seems to have the biggest belly in that family.

I’ve had nine children – deliveries do not necessarily go faster with each baby. My labors are all over the map for length. After the first two or three you get to know when labor is serious and when it is just warming up. I didn’t run to the hospital the minute my water broke with baby 9 – they asked diagnostic questions to see if I needed to go in. They trusted my judgement. I ran errands and took kids to piano lessons when I realized that things weren’t moving along and the water was just leaking a bit. I was aware of what was going on and no one thought I was being irresponsible. Baby 8 I didn’t deliver until 40 hours after my water broke and that was with pitocin induction. I just had intermittent labor and it just never really got going even though I walked and even did all the natural induction stuff. For me, only one baby came quickly and she was almost three weeks overdue.

Some doctors consider pregnancy over 35 or 40 automatically high risk and some don’t – my doctor didn’t think I was high risk at 41. Down Syndrome isn’t automatically considered high risk by all doctors either. Big difference between the big city doctors and small town doctors. And family doctors can be just as good as ob/gyn for care and delivery – actually, I prefer them myself. Nurse-midwives are even better. One of the things I didn’t like about some doctors is that they required every possible test known, Most people get tested for Down Syndrome now whether they would abort or not.

As to appearance, folks didn’t know I was pregnant with some of mine until I was close to the end. I got tired of maternity clothes and just bought stuff that was dark and stretchy and I just looked chunky. Plus working out and getting in better shape helped hold those stomach muscles in a bit better.

And my Working Mother magazine would be horrified to hear some of the anti-working mom statements about Mrs. Palin. My goodness, haven’t you heard? Women can have it all – with some help from parents, husbands, daycares, babysitters, nannies, housekeepers, cooks, etc. I read all the time about female corporate leaders who see less of their children than the gov. of Alaska. In our enlightened era are you saying that it is OK for men to be in public office and neglect their families, but not OK for women to do the same thing????

31 08 2008
Groundhogday

“Here’s a pic taken backstage at the VP announcement. You can clearly see McCain in the background having makeup applied, and Sarah and Bristol in the foreground. Bristol is holding Sarah’s baby.

She is clearly pregnant.”

Woman often look slightly pregnant for months after delivering. (My wife certainly did.) Some women hold that weight for years. And some girls DO gain weight in high school. I have yet to see ANY picture posted on this blog definitively showing Bristol to be pregnant. Sue Williams may very well be correct, and I believe she is correctly repeating what she has heard. But did she hear the truth?

Here is a question: Would the McCain campaign really take an detectably pregnant, unwed, Bristol Palin out on the road show without first releasing this information carefully to the press? Would they take her out at all? Why not just say she isn’t feeling well and let her stay home? Why subject this girl to that kind of scrutiny?

And I agree with Andrew Sullivan. These rumors are EXTREMELY easy to disprove. It won’t take much for the McCain campaign to definitively put all this to rest (and likely score some SERIOUS points doing so). If this all turns out to be nonsense, you know that the Republicans are going to accuse democrats of a deliberate smear campaign against a hockey mom with a Down’s syndrome child.

31 08 2008
Trout

Was this already posted?

Sarah Palin’s delivery doctor’s contact info as of 10/31/08, 9:30PST on the web:

http://www.providence.org/resources/alaska/docs/detail.asp?ID=1305

Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, MD
Family Medicine

Location:
Providence Matanuska Healthcare
1700 E Bogard Road, #100
Wasilla, AK 99654
Providence Department: Family Medicine
Office Phone: 907-352-6200

Can someone track down the doctor and get a statement?

31 08 2008
Clever Else

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734

An 8 month photo of Gov. Palin on another thread here. She certainly looks pregnant. DaliyKos is dropping the story.

31 08 2008
Gordon

Small towns! where do I start? I call b.s. about not being able to hide anything in a small town. Everything is hidden in small towns. Nobody talks publically about scandalous things because the stakes are too high. You don’t cross the connected families, you just pretend you don’t know or didn’t see anything.

31 08 2008
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s

Hi guys. Don’t you all feel silly now.

-Karl Rove

31 08 2008
Gabrielle

Surely you are not naive enough to believe that the ‘glass ceiling’ is going to be shattered anytime soon? I’ve been waiting half a century for that to happen.

31 08 2008
Shoshanna

“1. Is all Down Syndrome caused by this mutation?

2. What causes the mutation?

3. Are there any conditions that closely approximate Down that are or could be incest-related?

4. Has anyone ever done a reliable study comparing the rate of Down Syndrome offspring of incestuous unions with those in non-incestuous unions?”

There is the Robertsonian translocation, which is a mutation usually passed down from fathers to daughters, then daughters to offspring that can cause trisomy 21 (Downs). You can google for more info.

31 08 2008
Curious Too

I don’t know what the answer is to all of this.
I don’t think Palin is a serious choice as a candidate.
I don’t think she sounds like a serious mother either.
The story about her Texas trip doesn’t make her seem very intelligent IMO.

But I will say that it is not impossible for young Trig to be the grand son and for the daughter also to be entering her 3 rd trimester now. Sue could be right about Bristol being pregnant right now. As many have pointed out, Bristol’s weight fluctuates. Nothing wrong with that especially in today’s world. Could the parents (and maybe poor homeschooled Bristols herself) simply not have realized that she was pregnant in the winter/spring before then?

Is it clear when exactly she disappeared from the scene from the 8 month mono? Could the surprise have been discovered just before they announced the impending birth? Maybe that’s why there is no local gossip.

Maybe they tried closing the barn door too late. Maybe Bristol ran back to the boy as soon as she could and “made” the same “mistake” she did before. This time she gets to keep it.

I’ve known many people who were separated by 11 months from a sibling. It does happen. When I had my second child I popped out so much so fast I was convinced I was carrying twins. And my third was conceived when I was breast feeding my 4.5 month old. Be interesting to see if this new baby rumor plays out if the new baby is late.

I could see some rebellion playing out here and one woman’s hubris that she can get away with it all.

31 08 2008
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s

“Surely you are not naive enough to believe that the ‘glass ceiling’ is going to be shattered anytime soon? I’ve been waiting half a century for that to happen.”

And you certainly aren’t naive to believe that a man would be involved in the process, do you?

31 08 2008
Ajax

An 8 month photo of Gov. Palin on another thread here. She certainly looks pregnant. DaliyKos is dropping the story.

Clever Else, DailyKos doesn’t “pick up” or “drop” stories. The diaries are all reader generated–and the readers are all anonymous.

Gabrielle, Just wondering what you thought of the swift boating of John Kerry in 2004. I find it puzzling that all your disappointment and anger about the degradation of modern politics in the US is directed at the Democratic Party.

31 08 2008
Redwood Man

Hi Kim. Not being with your 5 month old baby, assuming it is your baby, you are calling an enlightened era ??? I for one don’t care if it is a mother or a dad… you should be with your children and live and plan your life to be able to do that as much as you can. Yes, you read all the time about female corporate leaders who see less of their children than the governor of Alaska. I am sorry that is true. Kind of shows the state of our union… One more thing for Barack to tackle…

31 08 2008
Maria

This blog has been so interesting! I’ve been reading it all day and also checking Meghan McCain’s blog. Bettina, to answer your questions, Meghan’s pictures from today showed that Bristol is still on the campaign trail, just being kept in the background–in this case, in the waaay background, meaning back on the plane:

and:

(She’s the one holding Trig.) She didn’t get to go to the rally? Or be on the bus?

The People photo is still there:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,00.html

31 08 2008
wow

Sue: thank you so much for all of your posting; I disagree with your politics, but you are a well-spoken, or I guess well typed woman. I also thank you for your input, Alaska seems oh so very different than where I live. Something, is clearly amiss. I live in Minneapolis, and was walking around today talking to delegates, and none of them had heard any of this–however, I spoke to a lobbyist who was at a press party and he said that no one could stop talking about this. Was the baby hers? was the baby her daughter’s? Some over at huffpo are calling foul that we should not stoop to tabloid fodder, etc, but I unequivocally disagree, we are at an impasse, for the first time in my lifetime (I’m young) we have the power to do something– here is a ticket, that acted compulsively? impulsively? and made a ridiculous, almost surreal v.p. choice. Our feet have been held to the fire for the actions of Edwards and Clinton. I want to know the truth about Palin, and I want everything. I am sorry that her daughter will suffer for this, and Palin herself should apologize to her daughter publicly for making this the way that it is, but goddamn it is refreshing to feel like my ticket might actually win, for the first time in my life! and that Rove, et al do not have the conniving upper hand.
and, yes we have the right to know about someone who WOULD believe that she has the right to my uterus; I want to know, Sarah Palin, what’s the truth, is Bristol pregnant?

31 08 2008
LaMarie

Moose,

Did you also notice that Cindy McCain’s wrist brace/cast is missing. She’s standing in the background sans her hot pink fashion accessory!

Also, even a blind person can see that Bristol is VERY pregnant! How long until MSM start reporting this? Can’t wait… This is WAY better than watching The Young and the Restless! Thanks John McCan’t!

31 08 2008
Maria

And now Daily Kos, while not “dropping” the story, has put up a new photo of a visibly pregnant Sarah, saying “we can drop this crap now”:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734

31 08 2008
The Logician

A reminder to all: There are two competing and mutually exclusive theories here. Theory 1 is that Sarah Palin was never pregnant, but rather claimed pregnancy to conceal her daughter Bristol’s pregnancy, and subsequent birth in April of young Trigonometry. Theory 2 is that both Sarah and Bristol have been pregnant, and that Sarah delivered Trig last April and Bristol is now in her third trimester.

I am far more persuaded by Theory 1, and believe that Theory 2 is a smokescreen designed by she who introduced it, Sue Williams, to throw everyone off the track.

Now, onto Q & A.

Ah, the plot thickens… enter “C-Ray”, or Chris Ray.

“I LOVE BRISTOL PALIN MORE THEN ANYTHING IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!”

The plot not only thickens, but perhaps lengthens as well?

May I suggest to those doing the research that a public wiki/timeline of this issue be created? This would allow for individual photos/events of interest to be arranged and edited chronologically, and for each item to be fully substantiated (or not!).

How does one “create a Wiki?” If it’s not some Microsoftian plot to steal all my time, maybe I’ll do it.

Looks like there a quite a few typical DU’ers here posting all their vile, evil, vicious and revolting rumour mill tactics, they like to call themselves progressive, well, progressively getting more regressive is true and more to the point. What an illmannered uneducated bunch they are. Disgusting.

I must say that I love it when Republicans say that anyone to the left of Atilla the Hun who fights back against their lies is a meanie. Okay, I’m a meanie. Now get over it.

The baby thing? IT’S A RED HERRING. It does not, and if actual intelligent, reasonable people were the voters in this country, WOULD NOT, matter. It really doesn’t. Why not? Because not only will you never know the truth, but there are so many other, more valid reasons why Palin was a poor choice and further proof of McCain’s unsuitability to lead this nation.

Unlike you, the rest of us can actually walk and chew gum at the same time. You cannot, and that is a pity. For you.

P.S. the haikus were great.

Special Haiku

Haikus, my great joy
Like August’s morning stiffness
They focus the mind

Most of the pics, other than Kyle’s video, are posted earlier on this thread. I think finding the possible ‘baby daddy’ is a stroke of genius.

I agree. All hail Kristen!

I enjoy schadenfreude as much as the next guy, but this is over the line of relevance AND taste. I have supported Obama from the very moment he announced his candidacy – I registered as a Democrat for the first time in my voting history – and I’d like to know that he won this election without the “help” of petty, sexist arguments like this.

To quote Saturday Night Live of yore, “Jane, you ignorant slut!”

this is not the kind of story that should make or break an election

That, like the date of the Rapture, is not for us to decide. It’s not even for Fox News to decide. It is, as they say, above our pay grade. In the meantime, we pull at loose threads.

I think it’s sad when people stoop to analyzing a 17 year old’s body fat in the name of politics – it doesn’t matter what the end is. To me, this is just about as empty and offensive a line of discussion as the Obama/Osama “Barack Hussein” BS. I just think, and you may disagree all you want, that Americans should hold themselves to higher intellectual standards than this crap.

No one is “analyzing a 17 year olds body fat in the name of politics.” This is about finding the truth. Jane, a Republican posing as something else, understandably resents the truth.

What a family. The oldest son slacked all through school and couldn’t get into college with his 2.00 gpa so he goes into army to save face. Teen daughter gets knocked up and mom assumes the pregnancy while teen says out of school with a ridiculously long case of mono. Mom sees it fit to leak amnio while giving speeches and aboard extended airline flights. I can only wonder if the Palins would pass an interview with Child & Family Services from a lower 48 state.

BINGO!! If I were Monty Hall, I’d give you the contents of Door #1, Door #2, and Door #3 for that one. The Palin family, such as it is, comes to us straight from a cave in West Virginia.

As a former Hillary supporter I am ashamed of what the Democratic Party has become. As an old timer (I’m almost 70 years old) I can truthfully say the REAL Democratic Party has gone forever, replaced by the most foul, mean-spirited, ugly group of liberals that I have ever encountered.

Will all those here who believe Gabrielle to have ever cast a single Democratic vote in her life raise their hands? Seeing none, I move that we declare Gabrielle Fox Babe of the Weekend. Hearing no objections, the motion carries. Boy, I love the smell of democracy in the morning!

31 08 2008
Gabrielle

Ajax
I abhorred the treatment of John Kerry and I abhorr what has happened to my party.
Yes, the degredation is out there for ALL to see, more so now than in ‘my day’. I guess the tone has changed, I’ve never encountered such venom and hatred for the opposition as I read on ‘DU’ every day. We used to have much more respect for each other but respect and plain common decency seem to have disappeared from the political scene, replaced by…well I won’t go there .
And yes, my disappointment and frustration is directed at the Democratic Party simply because that is MY party.
Where are the genuine Democrats, are they all dead, am I the only one left?

31 08 2008
mimi

Having had the pleasure to travel the magnificent wonderland of Alaska in ’80, I always held on to the hope that if things got too weird down here in the 48, I could escape to the wilderness. Oh, crap.
This Palin vp pick genuinely had me shaking my head and laughing at Mc cains frantic selection until I realized what an incredible insult this entire campaign of his has become. This selection is an affront to women who have spent years making sure they were highly educated, accomplished and competent to watch as some bimbo that has caught the bosses eye gets the promotion that the more qualified woman deserves. (Check out mc cain ogling her ass during the speech she gave accepting the selection – way too creepy). To hear Palin reference the “glass ceiling” as though she expects to make a dent is beyond belief.
This selection is an insult to the American people who deserve leadership that has demonstrated careful deliberation skills and an ability to grasp the intricate challenges that face this country and humanity not only nationally but internationally. Will she present Putin and Chavez with a plate of cookies and some good old fashioned eye-batting or just giggle?
Most importantly it is an insult to the election process itself which is an opportunity for each party to nominate people with experience and an understanding of the seriousness of governing our country even though their approaches may differ they bring qualities of knowledgeable leadership to the table.
I find it interesting and it is posted somewhere on the internet (I think I bookmarked the page, I will have to see) that some actress of similar name from Canada was whisked away and installed in a hotel in Pennsylvania for three days having been told that she had been selected for vp by mc cain. I guess that vetting process just wasn’t too terribly in depth.
I have known nothing about your politics but it sounds like an episode straight out of Desperate Housewives. Sorry, you guys. I live in a small town. I know that when it comes to leadership of the community the pickings are thin to say the least.
As to the baby deal – if the daughter is the mom and Palin has covered that up and made up these outrageous lies – how tragic for the daughter to be shamed and betrayed by a mother who would not have the courage to stand up for and support her daughter in this most difficult time.
If Palin is the mother – I can see that she would risk the health and welfare of her unborn child to further her political career and that doesn’t say much for her as a human being.
If by some fluke of the universe or corrupt voting machines once again, these two are given the keys to this government I plan to leave the country with my children to never return. Can;t go to Alaska, darn it all, so may as well just put my toes on a sandy beach somewhere and sell Slushies to the other escape artists.
Please Vote – and write your newspapers.

31 08 2008
Bart

This proves “Sue Williams” is a plant:

http://conservativepulse.com/home/2008/07/governor-sarah-palin-would-be-a-bold-choice-for-vice-president/

On July 25th she was already trashing Palin, but implies she was first for her and turned against only after reading internet postings: not that she knew her personally.

You guys have been duped, and subsequently, duped other blogs:

“Sue Williams Says:
July 25th, 2008 at 9:03 am
I just finished spending a couple hours on the adn (Anchorage Daily News) website and a site called andrewhalcro.com and I have to say, stunning. I had become very interested and enthused about Palin for V.P. but after reading the news reports (and also I read the blogs under Alaska Politics on the adn site and the comments in the Andrew Halcro site). Very disturbing and not at all the image of Palin that I had come to believe. If what these two sites say is even partially true, I can’t image McCain choosing her. It’s such a shame. The Alaska State House and Senate will appoint a special investigator to look into potential ethical wrongdoing of her firing of the state’s commissioner of public safety. This appointment is expected Monday. McCain can’t choose someone who is under the cloud of an ethics investigation. Shocking.”

31 08 2008
Clever Else

Ajax- my mistake. Did you even look at the photo? It seems that they are taking a poll over there whether to drop it, maybe the photo, since they came up with it on a freeper lurk.

31 08 2008
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s

The Republicans used to have respect for Democrats? When was that…was it before Hillary Clinton was a lesbian bitçh who had an affair with Vince Foster and had to murder him?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQJmyscSh4s

31 08 2008
A very public vetting for Sarah Palin « SchizoFrenetic

[...] 4: Read the comments at this Mudflats Post, “In The Land of Palin.”  Plenty of people leave links to photos that appear to shoot down the [...]

31 08 2008
Gabrielle

Logician
You sound as though you are far too young to remember what it once meant to be a Democrat.
I’m guessing you were even born at the time of Dr. King and JFK.

31 08 2008
JustDanish

I want to share this one with you all, actually really funny

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6855834

31 08 2008
VTOak

Like anyone sane with a dog in this hunt, I’m watching all this with morbid curiosity and a bit of horror. I’m a former Republican activist who left the party when it became clear to me from the inside that the national party had gone irretrievably off the deep end. It looks like that’s becoming ever more clear from the outside as well (qualification: there are still some pockets of sanity among Republicans at the local level, but even that is getting scarce).

I’m certainly as puzzled as any about the details of “babygate”, among the boatload of -gates that seem to have come packaged with the Palin selection. There’s something weird about the story, yes. But it seems that some people have come to conclusions in advance of information. I don’t know if Sue Williams is telling the truth or not, but what she has posted is a datapoint. Until I know more it seems pretty foolish for me to do anything other than listen to what she has to say, and file the information away for later confirmation or refutation. There are, after all, at least three possible permutations to this weird story, and I sure don’t have the information yet to figure it out.

I used to say “God Bless the GOP”, but I think right now “Father, forgive them, because they haven’t the slightest clue about what they’ve done,. what they’re doing, or what they’re going to do next” is more apt.

31 08 2008
ProfRobert

All Down Syndrome is caused by a problem with the 21st chromosome. Age of the mother, and secondarily, the father, is the greatest predictor of Down risk. What I know about it comes from my wife and I (both over 40) about to become parents of, luckily, a healthy baby (I’m not a scientist). Nothing I have seen suggests that incest is a cause of Down; indeed, whenever I see a geneticist asked in the press, he or she rejects the notion that incest increases Down likelihood.

Here’s wikipedia on the subject. Knock yourself out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down%27s_Syndrome#Incidence

BTW, it’s completely plausible to me that either Sarah or Bristol would have learned pre-birth of Trig’s Down Syndrome. Ultrasound (including the non-risky nuchal translucency testing) would likely pick up indicia of Down, which could be confirmed by amniocentesis. One would have ultrasounds normally, even if one is young and/or vehemently anti-abortion. We ended up not having amnio (or CVS) after the NT testing said our risk of Down (and a couple of other nasty trisomy chromosomal issues) was less than the risk from amnio.

31 08 2008
JustDanish

I feel sorry for you guys up there in Alaska, which by the way is a beautiful state, but rest of the lower 48 are having a huge laugh about SP….as VP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×178631

31 08 2008
checker

Suppose the baby thing is true and Bristol asked her mother to pretend the child is hers or maybe Bristol was so distraught that Palin just did it to help Bristol = wouldn’t that make Palin the ultimate hero mother? Stepping in to help her daughter……

31 08 2008
bailey

This photo was on a right-wing blog with the question – who looks like they just had a baby? in rebuttal to Trig not being Sarah’s child. They didn’t bother to ask who looks like they’re going to have a baby?

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/ap/20080830/img/pot-veepstakes-palin-5bff38-7b78334d8d36.html

31 08 2008
The Logician

I checked out the Flickr pics of Sarah Palin, and they one of the following:

– A pregnant woman
– Photoshopped images
– A woman wearing a fat suit

Which is it? Well, even I would have to be skeptical of the fat suit idea, so I’m going to toss that one out. Photoshopped images? That’s a real possibility, so I’d love it if someone could find the Channel 11 film clip and/or video or pics from the conference she attended.

I would say, in the meantime, that these images do let some of the air out of the tires of Theory #1. Not entirely, though. I’ve never believed that a single image or even two of them is automatically determinative. I’d like to see some corroboration.

31 08 2008
emrysa

Well, even I would have to be skeptical of the fat suit idea, so I’m going to toss that one out.

well if you were pretending to be 8 months pregnant, how would you do that?

Photoshopped images?

I lightened it in photoshop and it does not appear to be altered. she certainly does appear to be pregnant. however, given that this is the only photo I have seen so far where she looks pregnant, I am still skeptical.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Here’s a story with another pic, from mid-March. I’m starting to think this was great fun while it lasted.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Unless, of course, she was wearing an empathy belly! Sorry, but I can’t wrap either my mind or arms around that one. Maybe it’s my limited imagination.

31 08 2008
emrysa

I’m starting to think this was great fun while it lasted.

you may be right – but, according to diarist at kos, this picture is from march 9, one week earlier than the one you just posted:

seems like a big change for one week – still curious to me.

31 08 2008
Torrie

Tom, The list you said was what constituted “high-risk” said only that the symptoms might include those. I had two premies and I can tell you, that is considered high risk. Duh. The first baby was taken right to ICU and I didn’t see him for 16 hours. The second developed jaundice the first day (almost all premies do). So yes, it would be high-risk if she went into labor a month early.

And if her water broke and the labor hadn’t commenced in a couple hours? More high-risk, because both mother and child are at risk of serious infection then.

And a Down Syndrome birth is high risk in and of itself. Many of these babies are born with heart problems. It’s not unusual to have surgery in the first couple weeks. And a 44-year-old mom faces her own dangers (like blood clots and extreme bleeding).

I agree, the Palins apparently didn’t think of this as high-risk– obviously. They were remarkably cavalier about it all. That might be because this was the 5th child, I don’t know. But really, I can’t imagine the litigation-wary doctors and hospital would think, “Older mom. Down Syndrome child. Premature contractions,” and then say, “No problem! Come in any time!”

It just sort of beggars the imagination. Half of us out here have had babies, and I bet you none of us had remotely the experience Sarah Palin describes, of casual doctors and nurses, a husband who doesn’t object to her flying 8 hours, and a mom in labor who doesn’t feel any sense of urgency. Crisis management is good, crisis ignoring is not.
But I don’t think it’s Bridget’s child. I just think Sarah Palin is one weird person.
Interesting, btw, that so many of the links posted no longer work.

31 08 2008
tronk

This is exactly why she was chosen as McCain’s Running mate: “They” knew this would all come out, and they wanted it to. Why? Because it will bring the Conservative Base to McCain, and convince them that he can be trusted. In fact, considering McCain’s health, she would be likely to become the first female President if their ticket gets elected, which is absolutely going to bring the Religious Right to the polls.

It doesn’t matter one way or the other who Trig’s mother is, nor if both mother and daughter are/have been pregnant. What is important in this story is that it gets tons of coverage and Sarah Palin is presented to the Right Wing as someone who is uber conservative. In fact, if Bristol turns out to be pregnant, and Sarah gave birth to a premature Down Syndrome child, it will double the positive affect on the Conservative Christian/Evangelical crowd–it demonstrates two instances where the family could have considered abortion but chose to follow their chosen values despite the obvious fallout that could be expected from the Left. It’s really quite disturbingly brilliant, if it was thought through that way.

I expect that when she’s questioned about this, she’ll talk about how God told her that it was important for her to get back to Alaska before giving birth, and how she knew that God would see her through, or else she would have given birth in Texas.

In any case, I suspect there will be massive coverage about this by the Corporate Media (mostly focused on this thread, Kos, HuffPo, and incorporeal Democrats’ attempts to destroy her character, and based on past experiences, I’m sure it will work. According to posts here, Sarah is great at playing the innocent victim, and this whole issue sets her up to use that quality. Ultimately, I fear it will destroy the Democratic ticket’s chance of winning. I wish I had more faith in the American Public, but as I’ve already said that I wouldn’t live in an America governed by McCain, I think it’s time to start looking for new employment…

31 08 2008
The Logician

Well, look, once we get into parsing picture by picture, it’s pretty much over with, isn’t it? The April 13th photos from Flickr show a pregnant woman, or a woman wearing (sorry, but I can’t help chuckling as I write this) an “empathy belly.”

I could imagine Sarah Pallin claiming to be pregnant in her daughter’s place, but like I say, I just can’t imagine her wearing an empathy belly everywhere she went. She does not strike me as a woman with a great deal of empathy. But who knows, I could be wrong.

Which would then necessitate a re-examination of Sue Williams’s Theory #2. Which, quite frankly, strikes me as no one’s business. It still boggles my mind that Palin would’ve flown to TX in her eighth month and then done what she did the day before giving birth. That one’s way out there, but pending re-thinking of this overnight, I’ve got to say that it looks like the preponderance of evidence is against Theory #1.

Now, if someone can come up with video of Palin at that TX conference looking like Barbara Eden (“I Dream of Jeannie”), then I’ll change my tune. I have to say, though, that this was a lot of fun.

Haiku

Snow melts in harsh sun
Sarah’s Trigonometry
Leaves us Troopergate

31 08 2008
emrysa

now the anchorage daily news has it. interesting quote from Palin’s in-state spokesman, Bill McAllister.

from the story:

“McAllister was an Anchorage TV reporter before working for Palin. He said Palin once approached him – before people knew she was pregnant – assuming he’d been hearing rumors.

“She said it’s not true about Bristol,” McAllister said.

At the time, the rumor would have been that Palin’s daughter was pregnant.”

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/130178

guess I better get a screen shot, haha

31 08 2008
The Logician

p.s.: I can hardly wait for the Republican “outrage.” Remember, these are the people who gave us Willie Horton, the murder of Vincent Foster, the attacks on Chelsea Clinton, the lies about Obama’s religion, the character assassination of Hillary Clinton, the investigation of John Edward’s sex life, and the lies about Obama’s “forged” birth certificate.

So cry me a river, nutcases. This one lasted a day or two, and our side squelched it. You should look to our example. And to the National Enquirer, just in case there’s something we overlooked.

31 08 2008
Merg

Here is a theory being advanced. I want to attribute the author, who is ‘Jack Bodg….. but I can’t completely remember his name. It is his theory, but it seems quite plausible to me I paraphrase here; Supposition: Bristol finds that she is pregnant sometime in Aug/Sep/Nov 2007. Bristol tells her mother. Parents confer and with Bristol decide that Bristol will no longer attend public school (Oh the joys and wonders of home schooling or Mono, whatever) Parents decide to arrange a private adoption for offspring of Bristol and ? Done deal. Somewhere in March (about 4 months into Pregnancy when most amnioceteses are done, it is discovered that Bristol’s baby is a Down’s Syndrome baby. Adoption falls through. Enter Plan B. What do we do with this child that now, no one is eager to adopt this child. SOLUTION: Mom (Sarah Palin) announces she is pregnant!!!! But, she tells no one the child has Down’s Syndrome. Now ‘Mom’ in her alleged 7th month says she is pregnant when no one who knows her or has worked with her before this announcement had a clue because there were no Obvious sign of Preggars before this announcement. What, no morning sickeness???? No pre-natal visits on the Gov’s calendar???? No pre-natal vitamins??? No fatigue???? No nothing!
Come April. ‘Mom’ is in TX when Bristol goes into labor. ‘Mom’ must get back to Wallisa, AK and put her A** in the maternity ward at Zero, dark 30. Must be there in the wee small hours in the town where she was Mayor for X number of years. ‘Mom’ KNOWS everybody at that small, ill-equipped for High-risk Pregnancies, hospital. The easier to manage the story. ‘Mom’ bypassed better, safer, Neonatal Intensive Equipped hospitals, in order to be sure her ‘delivery’ would occur in her favorite local hospital. The hospital where she KNOWs everybody and in the wee small hours. hardly anybody is present at the birth of this. (Hold your breath now) and I quote but still paraphrase from the Anchorage Gazette, the “God’s Chosen” recipient of this gift of a Down’s Syndrome Child.

http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html

I will leave the of the details for each of you imaginations to fill in. This is speculation, BUT, It is pretty good, considering the timeline of announcements and awareness we are working from. You decide. If I find the attribution, I will post it.

31 08 2008
Phew

Just read on Google News that Palin has announced she will be breast feeding while on the campaign trail. I would love to have seen McCain’s face when he first heard this.

31 08 2008
Parker CA

Clearly, it is now evident that Trig is Sarah’s baby. Topic should end. It also seems that Bristol is pregnant and carrying her baby. Topic should end as it has no bearing on Sarah Palin’s character as a potential VP.

The longer this goes on without rebutal from the repub’s, the more I am beginning to believe that this was all part of the script and plan devised by Rove et al. Better to drop the baby issue and focus on the real issues at hand, those involving the corruption and scandal amidst Palin’s professional life and interactions.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Merg, that’s basically Theory #1, but given the pictures that have just surfaced, it requires that Sarah Palin spent a month wearing an empathy belly everywhere she went. Maybe she did, but I’m not sure I’d want to bet my ranch on it.

31 08 2008
ValleyTrash

For crying out loud, Wasilla is not a “rural” “village” with a “clinic.” The hospital was built in the last…. 3 years? (it’s been a while since I’ve been home). I’m not even going to address the babygate issue (I think it’s absurd and some sites are just being plane cruel), but it’s not like she chose to give birth to her baby in a shack. That just shows ignorance and bigoted stereotypes of Alaska as some foreign exotic place where only the facilities in Anchorage could POSSIBLY be good enough.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Alaska is not a “foreign exotic place.” It is Hooterville with mountains. And by the way, did anyone ever teach you how to write a sentence in standard English, or how to spell? Just asking.

31 08 2008
The Logician

now the anchorage daily news has it.

I posted about our thread in their comment thread.

31 08 2008
Idnor

After looking at the pictures of Sarah and Bristol facing each other with Trig (link found in Moose’s post), I asked myself “Which woman looks like she gave birth 4 months ago?” Given my own experience with pregnancies, I would have to guess Bristol.

31 08 2008
Bettina

Maria, thank you for pointing her out WAAAAAAY in the back and still holding the baby. I’d seen the other Palin girls all over McCain’s blog, so it seemed strange that Bristol was suddenly absent from the photos and the stages where her mother was appearing.

I have seen other blog sites about this subject and the most amusing comments are the Bree references to Desperate Housewives!!! If they can pull it off on TV, I guess they can pull it off in Alaska. The more I hear, see and read, the more I am convinced that the Palin family is hiding something.

Sarah Palin doesn’t seem smart enough to keep this dirty little secret hidden much longer. I give her about a week left as the VP candidate. She should be counting her blessings that Gustav came along to keep her around this long.

As for testing for Down’s, I know a few younger pregnant women who have been tested. To say it was only because Sarah was 44 is wrong. Any pregnant woman would want to know about any possible complications. And OB/GYNs are more likely to test these days too if there is any sign of an issue.

And if you sort of think this whole thing through, it seems a real story!! The reason Sarah Palin announced her “pregnancy” so late in the game could be likely because Bristol tried to hide it as long as she could from her parents. The reason Sarah gave birth a month early could be because Bristol wasn’t completely sure of her due date. Yes, I know doctors can pinpoint that, but what if Sarah never consulted her daughter’s doctors??

Why did Sarah only “pop” a few days before the birth? Anyone who has seen/or been a pregnant woman knows that after four kids you get big very fast. The Palins seem to be big liars. Shameful!!

The baby was born a month early and at a healthy weight. Like I’ve said, this sounds like cover-up…. Just saying.

31 08 2008
The Logician

Though it appears Sarah’s the mother of the young Trigonometry, I think this hilarious decision map explains why so many have been, shall we say, wondering just which oven cooked that little loaf.

31 08 2008
Snooper

Well tomorrow I am going to call Cathy Baldwin-Johnson and tell her what Sue Williams has posted here and ask her if she will confirm what Sue has told us because we all want to know the truth!

31 08 2008
The Logician

Don’t expect any kind of data dump, Snooper. The medical privacy laws are pretty strict, which means that everyone still gossips to whomever they please but feels better about stiff-arming everyone else.

31 08 2008
This is crazy!

The only way the Palins can end this debate is to come forward publicly and deny it and prove it’s not true. This has been on the Web for more than two days and nothing from them or the McCains. Refusing to deny is basically admitting it is the truth!

31 08 2008
Parker CA

“The only way the Palins can end this debate is to come forward publicly and deny it and prove it’s not true. This has been on the Web for more than two days and nothing from them or the McCains. Refusing to deny is basically admitting it is the truth!”

Or, it is only playing perfectly into Rove’s trap. Never underestimate the modern-day Machievellian he is.

31 08 2008
This is crazy!

Logician,

Yep, the doctor can’t reveal anything because of law. HIPPA Act. But she should be investigated for giving her so-called pregnant patient lousy advice about flying while in labor!!

31 08 2008
This is crazy!

Parker,

I don’t get it. Why would Rove even want to have this woman on the ticket? Yes, maybe the sympathy card, but real women don’t give a shit about a liar from Alaska!!

31 08 2008
Kevin

She definitely not pregnant in this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5mp2sU9TU4

1 09 2008
Sydney

Okay, I am seriously late on replying to this, but Redwood Man, I think you’re right. The AP photo allegedly of Palin pregnant with her first kid looks a lot more like the current mayor, who is Palin’s cousin. But I can’t imagine it’s conspiracy, probably just an AP screw up.

The point of all this is that the rumor is sticking because of Palin’s past actions. She’s been caught in lies about Troopergate, she’s a little nutty, her kids and husband aren’t even living with her, and because of all that people are willing to believe this wacky theory of Trig being her grandson, not her son. So if this was all a Republican set-up to smear “mean” Democrats for starting a “nasty rumor”, I think it’s going to backfire. Most people aren’t going to forget all the other stuff about Palin we’ve now learned.

1 09 2008
This is crazy!

Sydney,

That photo was provided by her FAMILY!! So it’s her. Not her cousin! WOW, women get big when they get pregnant? Not a big shocker. The problem with Sarah Palin is that she doesn’t have a good publicist who has carefully tracked her life. She’s done. She needs to leave now before the real truth comes and she has no career left!!

1 09 2008
tronk

Sydney said: So if this was all a Republican set-up to smear “mean” Democrats for starting a “nasty rumor”, I think it’s going to backfire. Most people aren’t going to forget all the other stuff about Palin we’ve now learned.

It won’t backfire. whether or not it was a Republican Setup, it will unite the George W. Bush Base behind the Republican ticket. The more Democrats talk about it, the easier it will be for the Corporate Media to parade it around and further the cause of the Republican Ticket. It’s time to stop discussing the personal family issues and focus on the character issue: Palin is a bad character for all the reasons listed here today. End of story.

1 09 2008
tronk

This is Crazy: When I first saw that picture, I was sure that the pregnant woman (Diane?) wasn’t Sarah, but that it was Sarah who was turned away from the camera. The person looking away from the camera has a similar body-shape to SP. The AP story says that it shows Sarah pregnant…is she pregnant in the photo? IDK. Was she pregnant and not showing at the same time that her cousin was pregnant and clearly showing? I haven’t looked into it, but I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard. If she is pregnant in that photo (assuming she is the person shying away from the camera), it would lend credence to the idea that she wasn’t one who looked pregnant, even when she was. In any case, It’s pretty obvious that the clearly pregnant woman in that picture is not Sarah Palin.

1 09 2008
This is crazy!

Tronk! Pregnant women get BIG! It looks like her. I really don’t know what else to say, other than that AP photo looks like a pregnant Sarah Palin. She’s had at least four kids, so she must have been photographed pregnant at some point. You’re trying to fool yourself…. Is this Track???

1 09 2008
RyanD.

lol @ the GOP talking points.

People are only interested in this because nobody has a clue who in the hell Sarah Palin really is. No smear, that is just fact.

Only in the Alternate Republican Universe is a black Harvard Law graduate with 3+ years on the senatorial FRC and 12 years in politics less qualified to be president than a white person with an bachelors in journalism from the U. of Idaho who is 20 months removed from city council in a town of 8000.

I’m sure she’s a great person or whatever, but we’re at war people. I feel like this is all a bad joke.

1 09 2008
Dorothy

Come on – there’s no way, for anyone who is a female & has been through labor not to know that Palin’s story about her airplane trip is totally bogus. Labor and breaking water is not a situation that you can control. No doctor would tell his patient it’s okay to hop on a plane & noone around her would not know that she was in labor. Her baby was born at 6lbs? Is that premature? This story is totally unreal, except to someone, who has never given birth. Sarah Palin, especially, would be aware of all of this. Egomaniacs like her would never risk their own life in a situation like this. What a farse for anyone to suggest otherwise. McCain is senile not to have vetted this person. Bottom line – let’s just go for intelligent & honest leadership. McCain & his Cindy are trying to replay the old “Russians are Coming” to Alaska & Sarah Palin is a bad replay of “Peyton Place”. Good thing that the RNC is cancelling their convention. The more we see or hear from them it’s just like getting slapped in face with their lies and duplicity. And Sarah Palin is just more of the same only more obvious and dumber as she drags her whole family into a mud fest.

1 09 2008
tronk

If Willow is 14ish, that would mean that she was born in 1994. Diane Keller’s son was also born in 1994, so the AP Photo could be showing a pregnant Sarah looking away from the camera, and not showing signs of being pregnant. My 2-minute internet search only showed me that Diane’s son was born in 1994 and simple mathematics tell me that it’s possible that both are pregnant in the picture. The AP quote accompanying the photo is, “This undated photo provided by the Heath family shows Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin pregnant in Wasilla, Alaska.”, which doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said.

1 09 2008
This is crazy!

Thank you Dorothy! You are right on about what you posted. This Palin thing is insane and I don’t think it’s even real anymore. McCain could not be so stupid, but maybe he is….

1 09 2008
This is crazy!

Tronk! Sarah Palin is a MEDIA whore! Um, she was a beauty pagent contestant. Since when do they look away from the camera??

1 09 2008
tronk

TIC!: I know that pregnant women get big, but big is relative. I’ve known many fit, petite women who looked no different from the pictures posted here of SP, even late in their pregnancies. I’m not trying to fool myself, I’m just trying to keep myself from being blinded by things that may not turn out to be true. I agree with others on this site who believe that even if her daughter is not/has never been pregnant, and she was honest (after 7 months of dishonesty by omission) there are more important issues than who bore which child, and I’m worried (and convinced) that the Corporate Media is going to spend far more time on “babygate” than on the real issues.

1 09 2008
tronk

TIC!: When they are Beauty Pageant Queens who are used to being told how beautiful and fit they look but feel like, because they are pregnant, they are fatter than everyone else around and don’t want to be seen.

1 09 2008
This is crazy!

Well, Corporate Media is SCARED to DEATH about something like this. This is not a regular story (if true) and would most likely end up on Lifetime and not on ballots. Americans in general are not ready for a lying family and teen pregnancies are better left to the Spears family. The Palins are done. Political career, as lame as it’s been, is OVER! Pack up and GO HOME!!!

1 09 2008
tronk

I agree that CM is afraid to touch a story like this, unless it furthers the CM agenda, which they will ensure it does, if they choose to follow it. I hope that you are right and that Sarah Palin’s career is over, but I doubt that this is the case. Either McCain will win the election and go to the White House with Palin at his side, in which case we are all in deep trouble, or McCain/Palin will lose, in which case Obama/Biden will have to be the best political duo in American (if not World) History to keep all of us from deep, deep trouble in the coming years. I see it as a win/win for the GOP, but I’ve always been deeply cynical like that.

1 09 2008
GOP R CRAZY

The McCain people are watching this site!!!!

1 09 2008
tronk

P.S. Happy Labor Day!

1 09 2008
This is crazy!

Tronk! You are making a lot of sense now! :) The polls are all wrong, McCain picked her because he had no choice. Washington politics are so very wrong. Obama is going to win without a doubt! I was GOP and worked for the party before I realized how FUCKED up the GOP is!! It’s time for a change — and not a loser from Alaska!!

1 09 2008
tronk

I agree that it’s time for a change, and definitely not a loser, but I’m not willing to say that someone from Alaska couldn’t be a worthy candidate simply because of the State in which they live. My personal belief at this point is that the Democratic Ticket is the best path forward, and unless something convinces me otherwise that is how I will vote this November. I hope that you and everyone you know will also vote that way–I’ll do my best to make sure that everyone I know does.

1 09 2008
mitak

Logician (re: April 13th photos from Flickr)

Do we know the source and veracity of these pictures? The person who posted these pics has never posted anything else before these pics (check out the profile of erik99559). Just three pics with unknown origin. I wouldn’t be too surprised if they have been photoshopped indeed. And I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the camera information file is totally fake. I don’t understand how you can dismiss the whole story based on three pics of uncertain origin in this day and age of digital photography.

1 09 2008
This is crazy!

You rock! How can you send me your email? send it to keech1975@gmail.com

1 09 2008
Blah

Uh, it is plainly obvious to all that Bristol is pregnant NOW. I don’t know how the McCain camp plans to handle this as it becomes clearer to all in the months ahead. It may be a boon to the bizarre GOP fetishes about teen pregnancies, who knows.

1 09 2008
midnight drizzles

I heard from a friend that Bristol is indeed pregnant, and news of the shotgun wedding is also accurate.

Other than that – I am shocked – shocked – SHOCKED – at the spin. It makes me realize how much “news” on the national news stations is BULLSHIT. I cannot believe how they spin and lie about things!

1) Nothing, nothing has improved for families in Alaska facing disabilities since Trig was born. We’re losing hope it will – we don’t even see the faintest signs. Things are not good right now and we are struggling with quality of care that is dwindling frightfully.

2) We DON’T PAY STATE TAXES – how the hell did she cut our taxes? The energy pay out is a HANDOUT by lower 48 terms. And they try to spin it as a TAX CUT?!??!?!?!?!?!

No, you all have no clue how hard it is to survive here financially if you are poor with the price of heat and long distance commutes so high. But it’s so conservative here that nothing would ever get passed if it were targeted only to the poor, so we all get the energy relief check – rich and poor alike, whether we need it or not. Whether we spend it on keeping the house above 60 degrees or piss it away ridin in the family’s `sleds and rippin up the watershed.

Far from cutting taxes, she comes from a state so rich right now from record oil profits that she CAN give it away when many state residents are truly in need. How will she perform in a situation where she is truly expected to cut budgets, where there is no oil windfall to help her gain the ridiculously over-inflated approval rating she supposedly has here now?

3) In what reality did she reject earmarks for the bridge? I simply don’t remember that….hmmmm…. must have been the TF………..

1 09 2008
tronk

It’s not that hard to differentiate “Photoshopped” pictures from true ones. I’m not an expert, but I’ve needed to use Photoshop a few times to change some things on pictures for websites, and in my opinion these photos have not been “Photoshopped”. It’s possible that they are. I think it would take a really, really good GDer to ‘Shop the photos as they appear. I’m not saying it hasn’t been done, I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s likely, and that there are other things that we (assuming you don’t want Sarah Palin representing your country to the rest of the world) should be talking about.

1 09 2008
mitak

tronk:

At this point, we are possibly talking about top-level GOP crisis management team fighting to contain a major scandal. Do you seriously think that these pictures from a certain “erik99559″ with no prior account activity are completely authentic? They are not even posted in a natural context of say 50 other pictures depicting other things as well (e.g. other friends, other scenes, before and after the video shooting etc). Just three pictures, obviously addressing the “is she pregnant or not” question only. So, I wouldn’t believe a second that this erik99559 is an innocent person sharing his hobby pictures with friends and relatives.

1 09 2008
Rory

I think if theory #1 turns out to be false (i.e. DNA confirms that Trig is Sara’s kid, not Bristol’s), then I think I know WHY the whole it was started and released by the Republicans: For the same reason that you burn fire breaks to fight a forest fire. The GOP have released a rummer that causes the news of teen daughters pregnancy to be revealed as an “internet fight” first, so that once the scandal breaks in the mass media, it is already known to those who would be most shocked about it, thus allowing the FOX and Co spin to be that much more effective.

Plus the timing is perfectly coinciding with Hurricane Gustave. I bet this whole thing was meant to be kept much deeper under wraps, but the current weather situation is a perfect way to have the news be diluted.

Even if #1 is correct in the end, I think the incest angle is a total red hearing added on to make the Dems look like asses later on, if the GOP need too.

Layer and Layers…

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

Anchorage Daily News Caught Red Handed Re-editing Date on Palin Family Photo

By eskaton | August 31, 2008

Here is the original link to the photo published March 9th�

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/v-gallery/story/339587.html?/news/alaska/v-enlarge/story/339587-a339583-t3.htm

Here is the link re-edited to falsify the claim the photo was taken in 2006�

http://www.adn.com/photos/v-gallery/story/509850.html?/1521/gallery/509852-a509987-t3.html

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

The crazy part about this is that they didn’t edit the children’s ages. If the photo was taken in 2006, the ages of the children be different than in 2008. The ages of the children are exactly the same…. hmmmmm – weird.

1 09 2008
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s

So the Republicans are using this scandal to show Democratic smear campaign tendancies. How does anyone know that the people on this blog are left wingers? I have my doubts. I bet it’s a bunch of righties pretending to be lefties.

1 09 2008
DrBB

FWIW, the jpeg called 1stchild.jpg has a bunch of AP meta-data in its header, pretty much as you’d expect. The date info only tells you when this particular jpeg was created (8/30/08), not when the original from which it was created was shot. Here’s what it says:

This undated photo provided by the Heath family shows Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin pregnant in Wasilla, Alaska. Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., announced Palin as his vice presidential running mate on Friday, Aug. 29, 2008. (AP Photo/Heath Family) ** NO SALES **

Interestingly, the one called 31408.jpg, which is supposed to show Palin at 7 months with Trig, has NO meta-data. None, zip, nada. It’s been stripped.

In other words BEWARE. I’m no big fan of Karl Rove/Evil-Genius Double-Bankshot theories. But there is a well established history of this crew setting up Big Awful Scandal limbs and cutting them off after their opponents climb far far out on ‘em.

I accuse no one of acting in bad faith here, but this whole story has exactly that kind of potential. Once all this heat gets generated, suddenly the story falls apart and suddenly it’s transformed into a bulletproof shield against all legit criticism or inquiry. “Look what those awful awful Dem sleazeballs tried to do to that Noble Woman and her Innocent Downs Syndrome Child! Have They No Shame???”

The key is to not lose track of the real issue. The real issue is that Palin represents a throw of the dice by McCain. I was using that metaphor before I found out that, in fact, McCain is actually an inveterate craps player. There were any number of more substantial candidates available, and he went with this one. McCain’s impulsive, craps-player governing style is the issue. Gambling the mortgage is what we’re looking at, here, and that’s a case you can make without wandering out on to this very long and dangerous limb.

1 09 2008
DrBB

Sorry about not closing my blockquote tag. This system doesn’t have “preview,” sigh.

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

No matter if the rumor is true or not Sarah Palin is a in catch 22.

1. If she faked the pregnancy to protect her daughter – would could understand (kinda – what parent doesn’t want to protect their child) but the key part is that she lied about it. So it was for selfish reasons because she’s made it a highlight of being apart of this general election campaign.

2. If she was pregnant and she decided to do all that crazy flying back home after her water broke then it shows lack of judgment on her part – so we ask ourselves – if this woman is interested in pro life why would she put her unborn child in such danger.

By the way – I can understand how people can be pro-life but don’t include animals in that category – it’s nasty as a woman that she hunts. ewwww!

Last time I checked having children and hunting were not quals to ANY job…ANY where.

1 09 2008
mr5roses

To me, if the baby is her daughter’s, the important questions are: Did Palin perpetrate this falsehood to protect her daughter? And if so, did she take into account that the falsehood might be revealed if she accepted the VP nomination? In other words, did she put her political opportunity over what she saw as her daughter’s good? And, if the story is true, was Palin too arrogant or too foolish to believe it wouldn’t come out once she was nominated?

1 09 2008
independent woman

Sunrai:
Last time I checked having children and hunting were not quals to ANY job…ANY where.

Lol unless you are applying for a Lioness position or want to replace Pocohantas…

sorry I couldn’t sleep :)

1 09 2008
independent woman

So is anyone here following up on her claims to have cut taxes, (taxes?) Ok I guess I mean “bridgegate”.

I have never been so tempted to eat cheetos and create some fantastic video for Youtube before. Seems like you folks here are inspiring some more sleepless nights.

I guess this what happens when GOP offers us up a “Nobody” as potential VP to a man with one foot in a grave and another on a banana peel in front of an insane asylum.

What a pity he wil always be remembered for this… What a legacy!

Change we can cry about!

1 09 2008
My thoughts on the Palin rumors | this woman's work

[...] to add: This link puts forth the rumor that Bristol is pregnant NOW. And those pics look more convincing. Man, remind [...]

1 09 2008
Tretando

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1 09 2008
Redwood Man

Thanks Sydney and Tronk. If that’s not Sarah on the left, I’ll hang up my Obama button for an hour or so, LOL…

I’d love to be a fly on the wall in either camp right now. I can only guess what discussions are taking place.

Anyone want to bet whether Sarah is still on the GOP ticket for VP in about 3 days?

1 09 2008
LEXUSOAKLAND

Gabrielle, I do remember Dr. King and JFK… I would suggest that today is the closest we have ever been to recouping a Democratic party, and in many ways recreating a Democratic party. Why would you judge the party by the rantings of DU, or even some of the ranting on Kos and other places? Try reading the intelligent conversation at Al Giordano’s Field, or the thoughtful writing of Craig Hickman, Fumbling for Divinity, or the conversation between Dr. Melissa Harris-Lacewell and Dr. Yolanda Pierce. I beg to differ that DU defines “what the Democratic Party” has become. Or maybe listen to our candidate, who despite all the filth hurled his way, has run a campaign consistent with his challenge to choose the “high road.” Did you see he and Biden on 60 Minutes yesterday? That is what our party is becoming. Are you really a Democrat??

1 09 2008
Somebody

Palin’s daughter is pregnant, now. And she is engaged.
The McCain campaign just announced it:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/us/international-usa-politics-palin.html

1 09 2008
The Logician

Wow, it’s not Deliverance, it’s Peyton Place! Sue Williams, take a bow. You were right, and I was wrong.

Haiku

Never argue with
A Christian woman on scene
Summer of surprise!

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

@ Somebody – I just saw that on Reuters. So I guess Sue Williams was correct!

1 09 2008
The Logician

With apologies to Jerry Lee Lewis

Sweet Little Sixteen

They’re really rockin’ in Wasalia
In Pittsburgh, Pa.
Deep in the heart of Texas
And round the Bristol Bay
All over St.Louis
And down in New Orleans
All the cats wanna dance with
Sweet Little Sixteen

Sweet Little Sixteen
She’s just got to have
About half a million
Famed autographs
Her wallet filled with pictures
She gets them one by one
Becomes so excited
Watch her, look at her run.

“Oh Mommy, Mommy
Please may I go
It’s such a sight to see
Somebody steal the show”
“Oh Daddy, Daddy
I beg of you
Whisper to Mommy
It’s alright with you”

‘Cause they’ll be rockin’ in Wasalia
In Philadelphia, Pa.
Deep in the heart of Texas
And round the Bristol Bay
All over St.Louis
Way down in New Orleans
All the cats wanna dance with
Sweet Little Sixteen

‘Cause they’ll be rockin’ in Wasalia
In Philadelphia, Pa.
Deep in the heart of Texas
And round the Bristol Bay
All over St. Louis
Way down in New Orleans
All the cats wanna dance with
Sweet Little Sixteen

Sweet Little Sixteen
She’s got the grown – up blues
Tight dresses and lipstick
She’s sportin’ high – heel shoes
Oh but tomorrow morning
She’ll have to change her trend
And be sweet sixteen
And back in class again

Well the’ll be rockin’ in Wasalia
Pittsburgh, Pa.
Deep in the heart of Texas
And round the Bristol Bay
Way out in St. Louis
Way down in New Orleans
All the cats wanna dance with
Sweet Little Sixteen

Haiku: A Repeat

What to do but spawn?
Alaska: six months no sun
Sex and Yukon Jack

p.s.: Republicans, before wailing about the cruelty of it all, think back to how you treated Chelsea Clinton, and what you’d have been saying had she turned up pregnant at age 17.

1 09 2008
Nick

Bristol’s pregnant, its official…

1 09 2008
The Logician

I think we should all give Sue Williams a round of applause.

Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip, hooray!
Hip, hip, hooray!

All Hail Sue Williams, empress of the Internet!

1 09 2008
Reggie

BREAKING NEWS ON FOX NEWS SEPT 1

BRISTOL PREGNANT

Sarah and Todd Palin say their 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant.The couple said in a statement released by John McCain’s presidential campaign that Bristol will keep her baby.

Sarah Palin is McCain’s vice presidential running mate.

The Alaska governor says Bristol intends to marry the father of her child.

She and the campaign also are asking that the media respect the family’s privacy

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

Palin needs to excuse herself from this race. Her children need their mother. It’s painfully obvious that this political thing is more important than rearing her children. Perhaps if she was more involved she would have realized her daughter was running around. I guess being a working mother just hasn’t worked for her children.

1 09 2008
emrysa

maybe so, maybe not. I’m still skeptical.

5 months ago she supposedly had mono. couldn’t go to school, but could spend time with her boyfriend? so what happens when you conceive a child and you are sick with mono at that time? what happens to the fetus?

this all still stinks. don’t be surprised for the story in a month that poor bristol is no longer “with child.”

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

McCain says he knew about Bristol before naming Sarah as his VP choice.

Anybody believe that?

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

Ohhh… Great point, emrysa. You could very well be correct.

1 09 2008
Amy

If the baby bump picture was taken in 2006, how the HELL did Piper age BACKWARDS??? Look at the following picture, which is TRULY from 2006:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0e3e6f09xJ0PN

1 09 2008
The Logician

Haiku

Land of Midnight Sun
Babies, babies everywhere
One more fishpicker

1 09 2008
Macier

I just can’t swallow the whole thing hook, line and sinker. My partner thinks that Bristol got pregnant twice!

The first time produced Trig. No way, no how was Palin pregnant. And Bristol got pregnant AGAIN immediately after (happened to my sister.) Palin couldn’t cover up the second pregnancy so it was announced to the media. I haven’t done the math so if it’s impossible for her to be pregnant twice then I’m an idiot.

Also, even if I am wrong then Sarah Palin is still a complete JERK in my book for getting on that plane. No sane person would have done that.

1 09 2008
emrysa

Anybody believe that?

absolutely not.

1 09 2008
The Logician

What’s really interesting about this is that the five-month timeframe means the new one (I can hardly wait to see what they name it) was conceived in March, the month that Sarah announced the impending arrival of young Trigonometry. That’s a hell of a way for mom and daughter to compete, isn’t it?

1 09 2008
The Logician

And Bristol got pregnant AGAIN immediately after (happened to my sister.)

Haiku

Alaska April
Baby, then baby! Salmon
Nature’s Viagra?

1 09 2008
JustDanish

So the rumor mill over the past 24 hrs was true. At first I thought it was a Dem Spin (I am Dem) but gezzzz, it was true.

I am a single parent of two teenagers and though with job demands, running a household and a tight ship, I do keep an eye on my teenagers, especially my daughter. What can you expect from parents that put their career first and kids second, things like this will happen?

So how is Sarah going to take that 3 AM call, while breast feeding herself, attending to her own baby with special needs and at the same time teaching her daughter breast feeding as well.

If the Russians, Iranians, North Koreans, etc, are not laughing at in the past, they are for sure laughing now.

How can anyone take the United States serious, when we may have a future PTA and Hokey Mom as the VP and a heartbeat away from being the first Female President.

I am wondering if we are going to make the oval office into a baby nursery.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1318541.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

1 09 2008
FifthGenerationLeftist

What do they name it? Algebra?

1 09 2008
Tom

YOU WERE ALL WRONG and it was sad to see the voice of reason get buried like this. You belittled every piece of information presented against your silly position — I was practically the only person on this and other blogs who actually tried to present EVIDENCE — while you held up your rife speculation as proof. The only thing you proved was that “liberals” are just as capable of slinging mud based on unsubstantiated rumors and speculation as the “conservatives”. Thankfully this sorry business will not affect Obama’s chances to shake up national politics. Oh well, on to the next conspiracy theory.

Sue, you were right about the pregnancy but wrong on enough details that you should at least be a little more skeptical of small-town rumors next time. Bristol’s absence over the past couple of days from the campaign trail was probably the best “evidence” for her pregnancy and yet almost nobody picked up on that either. Just goes to show that once you are convinced of something no matter how silly (Bristol being Trig’s mother), you tend to ignore everything that argues against it.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Actually, given the timing of the conception, I’d say Calculus is more like it.

1 09 2008
Tom

Amy: “If the baby bump picture was taken in 2006, how the HELL did Piper age BACKWARDS??? Look at the following picture, which is TRULY from 2006:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0e3e6f09xJ0PN

She didn’t age backwards, Amy, just look at the heights of all the kids from the picture taken in 2006 compared to pictures today. THE KIDS ARE ALL SEVERAL INCHES TALLER! DUHHHHHHH

1 09 2008
The Logician

YOU WERE ALL WRONG and it was sad to see the voice of reason get buried like this. You belittled every piece of information presented against your silly position

If I may recall, Tom, you included Sue Williams in your depiction of various “conspiracy theories.” The reason I wasn’t buying Sue’s version is because it seemed too weird to be true. Now I know that once you cross the 49th parallel, nothing is too weird.

1 09 2008
emrysa

YOU WERE ALL WRONG

and PROOF that everyone was wrong is a ‘statement’ saying that the daughter is now pregnant.

apparently sp has a history of making statements that aren’t true. bridge to nowhere? troopergate? but I guess we should believe her on this one.

as I said earlier, don’t be surprised for the story in a month that poor bristol is no longer “with child.”

1 09 2008
The Logician

Oh, and Tom? Now that you’re ranting about “you liberals,” could you give us a rousing three cheers for Christian abstinence education, not to mention the responsibility of a set of parents to provide a stable home for their children? Sue Williams depicted the Palin parents as having farmed out their inconvenient children to friends and relatives.

Is this what you upstandin’ and God fearin’ conservatives advocate?

1 09 2008
Tom

Macier: Hey, why not pregnant 4 times? After all, there are two pictures, one from late 2006 and one from summer of 2007 that supposedly show that Bristol was pregnant during each of those times as well. I think you should just go with the self-proclaimed label of intelligence you gave yourself.

1 09 2008
something's fishpicker

I’m glad someone pointed out the thing with the changed dates on the Alaska Daily News pic that shows Bristol’s “belly”… I noticed it yesterday. And yes, the clincher is that the little girl is obviously older than she would have been in 2006.

The timing of the announcement of Bristol’s pregnancy is interesting. (The Palin family has such a flair for drama with their pregnancy announcements!) Why would they hold it back until two days after the VP pick? During a time which, without the Hurricane, would have been smack in the middle OF THE CONVENTION! I doubt that was the plan. This leads me to believe that the Palin camp held the information back from the McCain camp. And only came forth when absolutely backed into a corner — which is consistent for her, re: Troopergate.

John McCain must be sweating pretty hard right now.

1 09 2008
Tom

Logician, I agree with you completely! I hate ideology and that goes all the way around. Palin as the leader of the new Christian conservative movement with a 17 year old unwed teenage daughter in tow is like having Hitler in charge of the Red Cross.

1 09 2008
The Logician

The Palins have a 14-year-old daughter and a 7-year-old daughter. Dad’s on the North Slope and mom, well you’ll have to check her travel schedule. So tell me, is this Republican “personal responsibility” on display?

1 09 2008
Macier

Tom, I’m praying for you dear!

I hope you get everything you’ve wished for in McCain/Palin.

I already have.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Sue Williams is the one who nailed it. Has anyone noticed that Sarah Palin’s mother-in-law isn’t sure who she’ll vote for? Do you maybe just kinda-sorta think that she’s none too impressed with her son’s wife’s maternal instincts? Which isn’t to say much of Dad, who bailed out on his three daughters.

Yeah, let’s parade this crew as the Christian Republican answer to America’s moral problems. I’ll be ever so happy to have that conversation. As some Texas idiot once said, “Bring It On!”

1 09 2008
Macier

I’m afraid for Sue, I’m imagining her in the backseat of a government vehicle staring at a very sweaty Karl Rove. Stay strong Sue!

1 09 2008
emrysa

sue williams is another reason I am skeptical of this story. that’s not the writing of josephina average in tiny town usa. as someone else pointed out, it ‘reads like a novel that you can’t put down till you’ve read the last page.’ go back and read her first post. if that’s not a narrative written by a pro, then I’ll eat my socks.

also check the link that Bart put up of her post on another alaska blog. in that one, she doesn’t know the palins, but on this blog one now (she) “knows the heath/palin families?” come on. I read a lot of blogs and I guess after a few years, you can spot that stuff. especially when later you get the cheerleaders coming on to support them. so transparent.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Karl works for Fox News now, so it will be worse. Bill O’Reilly will show up on her doorstep, screaming.

1 09 2008
Palin's daughter Bristol is pregnant!!!! (again?) - Page 5 - Gossip Rocks Forum

[...] going to require a tremendous amount of time and attention. From his mother. This is okay?" In the Land of Palin. Mudflats __________________ "she was too gelatinous to have been a fighting [...]

1 09 2008
Tom

Macier, I already have as well!!! I have always identified more Republican than Democrat (mostly because I believe government by nature is inefficient) but never in my life have I ever felt compelled to vote before. About March of this year I decided that I would be registering for the first time (I’m 38) and voting for Obama. After his acceptance speech, I’m even considering helping the Obama campaign financially and by volunteering (which is huge for me considering how much I hate politics and the political process). None of the above means that I can’t call BS when I see it regardless of where it comes from, especially if it has the chance to damage something GOOD that is happening in politics for the first time that I care to remember.

1 09 2008
The Logician

emrysa, there’s another explanation, which would be that Sue knows the Heath family and some of the peripheral Palins. In any case, her story about the pregnancy turned out to be true, so you’ve got to give her credit for that. This reminds of an old country song:

A friend came around
Tried to clean up this town
His ideas made some people mad

He trusted his crowd
So he spoke right out loud
And they lost the best friend they had

Come back, Sue! Come back!

1 09 2008
jamie

Sue Williams is right. Bristol Palin is pregnant. CNN has just confirmed the story. I will assume that everything else in Sue Williams post is also true.

1 09 2008
The Logician

If we all chip in on a year’s supply of moose meat (or, if she shoots her own, a freezer), will Sue Williams come back?

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

The whole thing stinks to high heaven – and they wont get away with it. She had the baby in April – got pregnant again right away – Bristol was so angry at her Mother for lying about her baby, the plane trip thing was a complete lie – from beginning to end – she never lost the baby weight, she is pregnant, Sarah did not tell McCain the truth about the baby switch, the mono thing, the plants on here, the timing of the pregnancy announcement – on and on it goes – amazing that these scumbag Pubs always think they can pull the wool over the stupid people’s eyes. Sadly, they often do.

1 09 2008
Tom

emrysa: I believe you might be right about “Sue Williams” being a crank but the motive for doing that type of thing isn’t political at all, it is purely for the entertainment, or worse, for some personal agenda that is messed up. The type of entertainment where somebody would actually set up a blog like the following:

http://meganhaditcoming.blogspot.com/

I tried to be a voice of reason there as well (practically the only one) and I was proven right in the end. Here is my first comment on that blog (parts of which have now been taken down but enough is left to give you a flavor of what went on — I did, however, save a copy of the entire blog on my computer):

Tom said…
This blog is clearly not by Lori Drew. Not even a raving, sociopathic lunatic would name it ‘Megan Had It Coming’ and expect any sort of understanding. Never mind using such endearing terms as ‘little monster’ and ‘bitch’, or admitting that she ‘took a low blow at Megan’s memory’ or describing Mrs. Meier as ‘incoherent’, or attempting to explain the other side of the story by trying to ‘confront the parents’. These terms are beyond insensitive or angry; they are meant to incite. What about using an alias to defend your prior use of an alias? Ironic yes, but not realistic at all. Are we to believe Lori, the supposed “attention whore”, would turn down invitations for a TV or radio interview in which she could tell her side of the story?

If the above is not convincing enough, consider that some of the supposed admissions made in the blog contrast starkly with statements found in the police report. For example, “Fake Lori” claims to have made some of the Josh postings herself up until the final hours of the tragedy whereas the impression the real Lori apparently made to the police was that she only monitored the MySpace discussions. This is a serious matter and not one that would likely escape the “real Lori”, who knows very well that future evidence of wrongdoing might be cause for the investigation to be opened up again. On the other hand, such internal contradiction is exactly what we should expect from a “Fake Lori”, who is not facing the possiblity of future prosecution and therefore does not truly understand the feeling of uncertainty and jeopardy that will follow Lori Drew and her family for a long time to come.

Similarly suspect is the statement from “Fake Lori” that ‘final word from authorities has come down that there will be no charges, so I don’t have to remain silent.’ Yet other considerations, such as civil liability, community resentment, Internet backlash, etc. would be very strong arguments against this “coming out”. Someone suffering the type of vigilante justice that has been metted the Drews, whether deserved or not, would not be looking for more of the same.

Speaking of civil liability, many comments here have mentioned that Lori Drew should be sued for causing emotional distress or a similar legal theory of blame. I’m not sure this would be such a slam dunk (for an example of the way the courts work in the real world, see the final outcome of the notorious Jenny Jones Show murder here: http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=2fab63db-48a0-4825-bb48-a0d0b5e8eb74&page=2). One crucial piece of information might be that Megan was left alone that fateful afternoon to deal with the MySpace ordeal by herself. If her own mother was not worried about Megan so near to the end, how could someone else have been in a position to determine that such a tragic outcome would be possible? The Meiers’ unfortunate but expected marital problems wouldn’t be helpful, either.

Too bad there are more real victims here other than Megan, the Meiers and yes, the Drews. And this time, the culprits are you idiots. For example, it is sad that Social Services may have to deal with angry but pointless calls demanding that Lori Drew be stripped of custody of her children. Don’t you realize these professionals, barely adequate as they are, have real issues to deal with and don’t need your stupid interpretation of the law?

In the end, this blog is nothing more than an attempt to create a lynch mob. In that, it has succeeded spectacularly. The comments here go a long way to explaining how lynchings and mob murders are possible even in supposedly civilized societies. Congratulations to all those who have shown what depraved, unethical, murderous madness lies beneath the “human” veneer of the homo sapien.

Lori Drew did something ill-advised, stupid and selfish, yet it pales in comparison to some of the barbaric, subhuman rhetoric in these comments. If Mrs. Drew killed herself and left a suicide note blaming “Megan Had It Coming”, some of you people would probably be pissing in your pants with pride and joy. Right up to the moment when it was discovered that someone was sexually abusing Megan, or something to that effect. Then you would be worrying about going to Hell, and for a very good reason: YOU ARE!

1 09 2008
Macier

So will any media pick up on how Sarah tried to cover it up for so long. Where did I read where she approached the newscast guy and told him ‘those rumors about Bristol being pregnant AREN’T TRUE’ ?

I understand a mother wanting to protect her daughter but we’re all adults here. EVERYONE should be held accountable for their actions.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

I have learned the hard way in my life – when things dont add up – when there are too many questions and inconsistencies – and you just cannot figure out what it is – but you just know on a gut level that it does not add up – guess what – it does not add up. Accomplished Liars have a great ability to tell lies – and when you call them on it – guess what – they get you again.
That is what they do best.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Tom, you have an uncanny ability to introduce the weirdest, most irrelevant things here. I can’t decide whether it’s charming or whether it’s a study in abnormal psychology, but I do think it must have something to do with the Northern Lights.

1 09 2008
Mrs. S.

CNN is reporting that Bristol’s preggers now…it’s front page.

1 09 2008
emrysa

logician: yes, what sue williams said is true – according to a statement released by the mccain/palin camp. and we all know republican’s lie like rugs. I am fascinated by the timing of it all.

yes, I realize it might be true. we will see.

tom: I hear you, and I know you can also be correct. Just fascinated by the timing. sue comes on and spills the beans sunday night and the mccain/palin camp puts out a statement the next day.

just taking everything into consideration, everything that has been talked about, it’s hard to dismiss all of it by just believing “oh, the daughter is pregnant now.”

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Five months pregnant – let’s see – was Trig born April 18th ?
Help me here – now on 9/1 they come out with the fact that she is 5 months preg – that makes it 9/18 – how convenient Sue Williams – i guess this baby will be born a month early as well – course we all know these estimates can be off by a few weeks this early on – they had to say she was five months instead of four because it cannot add up – it has to be mathematically “impossible” – funny that they think they can get away with it – finally saw my first mainstream news story on this on Reuters – McCain got charmed – dirty old man – they did not vet her properly – she is a liar and is not going to go back on it now – too late – poor Bristol – this woman is a typical Pub – America gets what it deserves

1 09 2008
emrysa

johnnyboy, excellent point.

1 09 2008
emrysa

johnnyboy, excellent point.

I was referring to your post at 10:06:44 – just noticed you have a new one that I haven’t read yet.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Thank you – you are so kind – it is all math with liars

1 09 2008
The Logician

So, now the idea is that Bristol Palin had Trig, then turned right around and went for an encore? You know, maybe the problem is that I am a “logician.” Maybe I need some training in magic. That said, how far apart were Track and Bristol? Maybe Bristol was figuring that what was good for momma would be good for daughter?

I am trapped in a world where sound collides with color. It is the everyday world of … of … Alaska!

1 09 2008
Heidi

Let’s keep in mind that in pregnancy, 5 months is NOT 5 months ago. The fifth month of pregnancy is weeks 16-20. I’m “4” months pregnant currently, via IVF, and we CONCEIVED on June 20. Today is not 4 months later from June 20. So if she’s in her 5th month, then that means she’s anywhere from 16-20 weeks, and conceived 16-20 weeks ago.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Remember, the two-pregnancy theory requires an empathy belly for Sarah Palin. Not to mention a pint of whisky and an alien abduction. All in a day’s work in the Frozen Northland, but still …

1 09 2008
blage

This is not a disaster this is intentional!!!!!! Think about it. The far right want to make it look cool, or ok to be pregnant as a teenager. I thought this when Jamie Lynn Spears got pregant and after the movie Juno. Why? Because young mothers will not get an education. They may have to depend on religious organizations for help and will feel very obligated to them….and join their ranks. They will probably end up having many more kids so many more people will join their ranks. They will be dependent and brain washed by this type of patriarchal philosophy. This is a long term goal…Even if McCain and Palin don’t win this is what they are up to.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Voila !! Heidi – i think you are on to something – !!

1 09 2008
BJ

I am in agreement with Emrysa. I’m not buying it one bit.

No one has yet to explain why Bristol looks clearly pregnant in the family photo last winter, why all of the photos have been “doctored”, disappeared, etc. online within the last two days, how a woman leaking amniotic fluid doesn’t have the baby until 1 in the morning after the travel fiasco, and so much more!!!

Logician, I am a tad disappointed in your level of tenacity. Also, of course if this family has followed in the steps of other greats such as the Spears family, this is indeed our business. She is running for VP for Christ’s sake!!!!

Notice that the NYTimes story is dated Sept. therefore, they could have some leeway with regard to timing. It could be four months it could be 5 months. Additionally, I too have a strong suspicion about whether or not this pregnancy makes it to full term. If this is not an empathy suit forced on her by her mother, then the full term is still perfect timing. The engagement is plausible regardless.

Can anyone tell me why BP looks more pregnant at 5 months during a “first” pregnancy than her own mother at 7 months during a “fifth” pregnancy.

Also, does anyone know whether or not C-Ray lives in the same town as the fimily member that was allegedly raising BP during her mother’s tenure as governor. Someone, I think it may have been Sue, posted early on that the children were “outsourced” once the father returned to work.

I don’t believe that McCain was aware of this trash before hand (BTW, some heads should roll here in DC, I’ll keep you informed) and if he did, someone needs to conduct an intervention.

SP on the otherhand has once again shown that she is willing to sarifice her child’s well being in order to further her own career. She states in the article that her daugthter’s life will be harder by having a child. Why make it even harder by subjecting her to public srutiny? Why? Because this only strengthens Theory # 1. And think about it, if she “saved” her daughter once, she’s gotta be pissed now.

And poor Bristol, clearly acting out about being neglected by her mother. It would only stand to reason that if the mother thought that it would all go away by claiming that baby as hers and keep going the route she was going, of course this child would rebel again. All you have to do is look at C-Ray (a.k.a Malibu’s Most Wanted). Duh, the writing is on the wall.

BTW, did I miss a birthday somewhere? When SP introduced her family on Friday, I am fairly certain that she said that BP was 16. Now the papers are reporting that she is 17. Is that to make us feel that this is any less wrong?

I can only IMAGINE what this story would have looked like if this had been the potential first Black First Family.

Unbelievable.

1 09 2008
Mikey

One can only wonder what was on McCain’s mind (so to speak), when he announced the Bimbo. His age certainly shows with this tremendous error.
Cindy Mc Cain is as ditsy as her husband when she believe’s living across from Russia is foreign relations qualifications.

This attempt to steal away votes from women is so miscalculated, it will only make women even more disgusted with McCain.

Please work and donate to the Barrack Obama’s campaign.

1 09 2008
Macier

Really, it makes sense to me that Bristol accidentally or not so accidentally did something that Sarah couldn’t cover up and it finally got exposed nationwide.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

How would you feel if Mom was so ashamed that you had a baby and was forcing you to give it up for adoption – and protecting her political career in the bargain – then finds out the baby has Downs, the adoption falls thru – then plays all kinds of being pregnant and airplane and hospital charades – well – i think the kid would feel pretty down – so she is back to her boyfriend (the Father) as soon as she can get away from Grandma – and guess what – cant use condoms – that is against the rules – i will get you Mom – i will get pregnant again –

Is this possible ? – It is – but it sure is crazy – i hope it is not true – but there is some rotten smell coming from that little town in Alaska -

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Where there is smoke there is fire

1 09 2008
BJ

This is a Category 6 and they belive me, there will be major contraflow…

1 09 2008
Heidi

Let me correct myself, she’s technically only 14-18 weeks past her last period. I’m 13 weeks pregnant, which is technically 11 weeks past my last period (early June). Her last period was probably somewhere in May, and she got pregnant in mid to late May. If the baby was born in April, though, she was definitely messing around before the doctor gave her permission to.

1 09 2008
BJ

JB,

You are assuming that the fathers are the same boy.

1 09 2008
Sydney

I don’t think it’s possible for her to have been pregnant with Trig. Doctors advise 6 weeks after giving birth to have sex, and while I’ve never been pregnant, I’ve known plenty of women who said they just couldn’t have sex again until much longer than 6 weeks after birth. Besides, from those photos linked to from Megan McCain’s blog above, Bristol looks much bigger than 5 months along.

The official story is weird enough as it is – no one knowing Sarah was pregnant with Trig, her 9-hour flight after her amniotic fluid started leaking, agreeing to the VP candidacy with a Down syndrome infant and pregnant teenage daughter at home, etc. No need to make it weirder, this is already pure Peyton Place.

1 09 2008
BJ

Forgot to give mad props to SUE. Never doubted you…

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Why would Bristol care what the doctor said ? – The doctor was cooperating with her Mother in a lie about Bristol’s Baby !!
Just because you are 17 does not mean you are stupid – and if Mom is that ashamed of you – it must have been devastating for her. This is much simpler than you think because it is so hard to believe and that is what they are hoping for at this point. Look through the cloud of smoke. You will see the truth. Sarah lied to McCain’s people – by default – they probably did not even ask her point blank “what about the rumors of this Baby Gate thing” – but if they did – she lied – she lies to everyone – it is what she does – McCain got sucked in to a real mess – he deserves it

1 09 2008
Tom

Logician: Yes it is a study in abnormal psychology–yours and those of many others here. You are about the furthest from “Logic” that one could get. “Logic” is not the act of speculating without a single shred of proof. “Logic” would be to NOT speculate in those circumstances at all.

emrysa, JohnnyBoy: I’ve got a very nice bridge for you in Brooklyn. Don’t worry, I’ve got plenty of bridges for others of you here as well. “Sue” may just be a very smart “actor”. “She” put two and two together a bit faster than most other people, and even came up with four instead of five. I noted where reaching such a conclusion might be supportable, and where it might not be (the correct answer was that Bristol is not in her 3rd trimester and therefore she doesn’t look indisputably pregnant–something a “real Sue” would have most likely known and pointed out). There are things that Sue should have also known, but didn’t. For example that it is not necessary (in fact it is discouraged) to go straight to a hospital when the “water breaks” (there is no evidence this in fact is what happened with Palin in Texas — all we know is she “noticed” amniotic fluid). You just need to call your doctor. Or that being over 40 or being diagnosed in vitro with Down syndrome do not automatically mean a “high risk pregnancy”.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

I would bet my bottom dollar the Father is the same boy – just out of respect for this poor kid

1 09 2008
Macier

If she (Bristol) had a C-section would a doctor advise against sex the same as they would a vaginal birth?

1 09 2008
Palin: The gift that keeps on giving - The Traveling Gnome - Claire St. Amant

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1 09 2008
BJ

Valid points DrBB

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

According to my Sweetheart – Nurse Ratchet the Childbirth educator – women show up all the time at their six week appointment preggers – put that in your pipe and smoke it !!

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

Remember we aren’t talking about 5 months ago. In pregnancy terms (gestation) your due date is typically calculated based on the first day of your last menstrual period NOT from when you conceive so that adds about 2 weeks on to gestation. Bristol can be any where between 16 to 20 weeks. Give or take. I think this 5 months business was to add to the pot of confusion and keep people wondering. Releasing a statement really doesn’t clear up the rumors, it just adds fuel to the fire….

1 09 2008
The Logician

Yes, Tom, and now will you tell us what all of this has to do with Lori Drew and your fearless expose there? Let’s see, now, the Palin announcement said that Bristol is 5 months preg, and Sue said she was in her third trimester. For now, I’ll accept that as close enough for horseshoes.

But Sue, oh Sue, please come back! We all have lots of questions, no doubt!

1 09 2008
BJ

Also, careful here. The reps are watching this page an others like it in order for them to put a BELIEVABLE spin on their oh so very many lies and ditches that they dig. Let’s not make their job too easy.

Remember, it does not take much for them to get their supporters to start drinking the KOOL-AID.

1 09 2008
Tom

BJ: “No one has yet to explain why Bristol looks clearly pregnant in the family photo last winter…”

THERE IS NO DATED FAMILY PHOTO FROM LAST WINTER. The two photos where she supposedly looks pregnant are from summer 2007 (where she is in short sleeves outside in Juneau) and from late 2006 (during Palin’s gubernatorial campaign). Don’t believe me about 2006? Forget about comparing Piper, look at Willow. In the 2006 pictures that are supposedly from late 2007/early 2008 WILLOW IS A FULL HEAD SHORTER THAN HER MOM. Yet in pictures taken in the past few days she is less than a half head shorter. I suppose this is what you mean by “doctored” pictures? Gimme a break.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Haiku

One girl two babies?
Spring baby, winter baby
Roswell baby, too?

1 09 2008
BJ

Tom,
You are forgetting that this “woman” had NUMEROUS factors that would have caused any doctor or legitimately pregnant woman to be highly concerned about a leakage of amniotic fluid or any signs of labor. Hence, she would not have been “discouraged” from seeking immediate medical attention.

BTW, what was your last pregnancy like? Do share…

1 09 2008
Sootmouth

Silly thought, and kind of off topic– Logician, you commented earlier about “season words” in haiku. [Much earlier] That’s right, yes, but you don’t have to explicitly refer to the seasons.

For instance:

Hot sun beating down,
I sit on in a tree’s branches,
Laughing at debates

is just as valid as

Winter sees resting trees,
Bears searching through the river,
Looking for God’s boon.

In the first, I’m clearly referring to a specific season, at least in MI where I’m from– It’s mid- to late-summer, because during the winter, spring, and autumn are all cold(er), while early summer tends to be rainy. However, the second, I used the word “winter.”

If you read traditional haiku, you’ll notice that the poets often forgo any mention of an actual season, and will hint at it, by talking about plant or animal life that is commonly associated with a given season (Cherry blossoms are a great example)

However, there’s another big failing in both of my haiku, and with every single one here: The third line is almost a separate thought, and if you read it, there should be an implied pause between the second and third lines that is immediately apparent. It’s also smiled upon for the third line to be only one or two words, which summarize the concept laid by the first two.

Um… Yeah, kinda off-topic indeed. But since everyone was talking about haiku (at least, when I decided I had to weigh in) every couple posts, and it was bothering me, there’s my $0.02..

1 09 2008
BJ

Yes, Tom, I believe you. I believe you just as much as I believe that the reps have chosen to tone down the RNC due to their sensitivity to the victims of Gustav.

C-O-N….traflow!!!

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Ok – how about this – the urgent call came that the baby was born with Down’s- totally shocking and surprising the family – Sarah rushes back to Alaska – claiming she was leaking –

They would never have suspected that Bristol’s baby would have Down’s –

Liars and the tangled webs they weave

1 09 2008
Tom

Logic: Sue also said that Bristol had already married the father and that she was hidden away the past few months–both either false and clearly reaching for straws. I provided the Lori Drew example to cast light on PRECISELY the kind of psychology that is going on here. I find it interesting that you dismissed “Sue” out of hand when she said Bristol is currently pregnant, yet I was actually one of the few who admitted that there might be something to it. Why is it “too weird to be true” that a 17 year old is pregnant and we don’t immediately learn that after a VP announcement? Only in your BIZARRO world would that be “too weird”. In the REAL WORLD, that is natural. I sure didn’t see them going to any huge lengths to hide Bristol’s pregnancy–why couldn’t they have hidden her with a “mono” or similar excuse and not even had her come on the campaign trail? THINK MAN, THINK!!!

1 09 2008
lower48

Wow…this story was delivered fast!

What kind of christian, fundimentalist mother and
grandmother keep campaigning while….hmm…I do not wish her life
on any of us.

I’m sure the GOP-sadly-the Palin Family have their timelines
coordinated, so that Bristol only as 1 baby and not 2 babies.

I will say talking about this babygate, isn’t about Bristol. There
is no shame for a girl to be prego – The shame lies in the religions
and religion pushers who teach people to learn hatred of self & others.

I am a moneyVoter and not a religionVoter. So, Bristol – your wonderful
teenager. May God bless you a way out of your mother and fathers mess.
The parents, however, are what I am focused. Money is good. Money isn’t
the only thing in life.

Sadly, Palins are missing the lesson of Bristol’s pregnancies. I pray that
the Palins remember themselves that they are parents 1st – fame is secondary.
Fame fades. Sara Palin can still turn this nomination down. No one would fault her in making the best choice for her family. I hold no judgements.

Bristol is only the “identified patient”. The illnesses within the family are the
secrets and NON-responsibility (remember personalresponsiblity?Religionists?)

Because Sarah Palin is a public figure I dare talk about another – especially when she a public, political and if elected – will demand that I do as she says – NOT as she lives. I wouldn’t vote for her or McCain. Barr is looking better and better. I like where he stands on the issues.

Anyways, for Bristol and the other children in the Palin Family – Please, Sarah and Todd, wake up and remember who you are – A Family. Not a political opportunity.

Getting ready – I’m sure there’s more to come to the light of day about
activities of Sara Palin.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Sootsmouth, I agree. In fact, the thought has crossed my mind that my Haikus are too blunt with respect to the season words. I shall endeavor to be subtler

Haiku

Cherries blossoming
Water breaks, mother boards plane
Whose baby is it?

1 09 2008
BJ

Soot,

Logician wrote “Like August’s morning stiffness” for goodness sake.

Lighten up!

1 09 2008
The Logician

Oops

Haiku

Cherries blossoming
Water breaks, mother boards plane
Whose baby is it?

1 09 2008
jamie

Hello again Sue Williams,
Thank you for posting here. Your articulate insight into the truth behind the Sarah Palin myth is more valuable than you may even realize. Please keep it up. Your country is counting on you!

1 09 2008
The Logician

Logician wrote “Like August’s morning stiffness” for goodness sake.

Which, if I may say so myself, was a rather sly reference to young Trigonometry’s conception.

1 09 2008
Tom

BJ, Don’t believe me, look at the pictures!!! If you still don’t believe me then, you cannot be helped.

JohnnyBoy, Nice try, but postnatal Down syndrome is confirmed by a blood test and chromosome analysis which takes 48-72 hours, especially where facial features don’t present Downs (none of the pictures I’ve seen of Trig indicate that he has Down, which probably means it is a mild form). At a minimum, that would have given Gubna Palin some time to get back without creating a dramatic story about amniotic fluid leaking and minor contractions.

To the person who said “water breaking” IS active labor: WRONG. Grow up, go have kids and then come back to flap your mouth.

1 09 2008
Heidi

The articles say she’s “about” 5 months pregnant, not that she “is” 5 months pregnant. Hell, I’m 13 weeks, 3 weeks away from 16 weeks, the big month 5 mark, I think I can say that I’m “about” 5 months pregnant!

1 09 2008
The Logician

Tom, with all due respect, I don’t think it is me who lives in a Bizarro World. But let us not quarrel. There is work to do.

1 09 2008
Sootmouth

I’m loose as a noodle. I just like telling people things.

On topic– If it’s Bristol’s baby, who cares? What I mean is this:

If we fight real hard, and find out, “oops! Bristol’s kid!” What do you think we’ll gain? Will it make such a big difference, really? The “Sarah’s kid, but Sarah’s an incredibly irresponsible parent” argument’s already got enough sting that I don’t think the risk of looking like asses if we’re wrong and making lefties look like we’re rabid attack dogs, and we should feel sorry for the poor Palins, you know?

Sweating from the heat,
We fight for strong position,
We already won.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Tom – you are the one that needs to think my boy – Bristol denied to her Mother that she was preggo – or Mother knew – either way – once all this hit the fan three days ago they had to come up with something – Bristol is still heavy from the first baby – and now is pregnant again – it became too obvious to hide once she became the VP nominee – especially since there was already long lasting suspicion in Alaska – Sue wanted people to think it was third trimester because she was already so heavy – left over baby fat – but once McCain found out Sarah had lied to him as well, after he picked her, they had to try to come clean – Sue was a plant – Tom is Karl Rove’s illegitimate child – the Gimp in the basement –

Think Tom – Think my boy !!

1 09 2008
BJ

Tom,

do you find it bizarre that a woman would accept such a position given the guaranteed exposure to the muck that he family is in?

Do you find it bizarre that McCain would not have an issue with this? Nor the fact that this woman needs to be a parent to the 4 children that she has at home BEFORE fulfilling duties of a VP?

Maybe I am off here in the land of politics and education but last I checked, teen pregnancy is a PROBLEM in this country. Why is it a shameful problem in MA (i.e. teen pregnancy pact) but not in AK?

When the movie Juno came out, I refused to see it in theatres (waiting for the cable version) simply because I do not see how teen pregnancy can be spun into an “endearing” image. Particularly if the main character had been a child of color.

Riddle me that, Batman.

1 09 2008
Tom

Logic: I won’t quarrel any more than to point out your ridiculous Haikus, innuendos (incest??? F-off) and other utter BS that has nothing to do with “work to do”. WHY HAVE NEITHER YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE HERE CHALLENGED ME ON A SINGLE FACTUAL STATEMENT THAT I HAVE MADE??? I may or may not check back later once some more BS has accumulated, but in the meantime I have some real work to do–enjoy what’s left of Labor Day with the family.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Tommy – very noticeable at birth – experienced Doctors identify visually – then run the confirmation tests.

Nice try.

Leaking of amniotic fluid in a 44 year old woman, who is obviously going in to pre-term labor, where Mother and baby can be compromised, is cause for immediate medical attention.
This is that simple. No, Not A, Doctor would not expose themselves to malpractice in this situation. Just think – the Gov. of a State gets this advice – and it all goes wrong. They would err on the side of caution always.

Tom – you are the gimp in the basement -

1 09 2008
1 09 2008
Tom

Sootmouth: Too late, the damage is already done. The “Left” can no longer claim foul if Obama is unfairly smeared by the “Right”, not without a huge gollop of hypocrisy.

JohnnyBoy: I love it! Thanks for proving my point so poignantly.

BJ: NOW THAT I DO FIND BIZARRE! The rest, not so much.

1 09 2008
BJ

Soot-Just kidding B4. Just wanted to point out Logician’s funny reference. That was a great one, by the way. And we have won. Just indulging in a guilty pleasure prior to getting back to the grind. Besides, my husband loves the fact that I am in the know via this blog.

Log- I got it. Just wanted to point it out again;-)

JB-I think she got an amnio early on because a.) that would be consistent with the adoption theory someone suggested earlier and b.) SP says that she made her announcement during her 7th mo. to let everyone know that the fam was facing the birth of a child w/ special needs.

To add to that, I think when the adoption fell through, SP had to make up for pregnancy weight an allowed herself to indulge in Ben and Jerry’s and Mooseburgers w/ extra cheese and fries.

Tom-having children is not the same as giving birth. Hence your ignorance. Not your fault. This is one of the benefits of being a man. If you were capable of this you would know how a woman’s body stores fat. It is impossible for BP to have had such a pregnant looking belly in “2006” and not have any fat anywhere else. Unless of course she had fibroids or a tumor. That is not just belly fat.

Again, why does she look bigger than her own mother at around 5 months than her mother did 3 weeks from delivering?

1 09 2008
BJ

Soot- Sorry. I was complimenting your Haiku as well

1 09 2008
Tom

JohnnyBoy (last response for now I promise): NICE BS! Down is NOT always very noticable at birth. IN FACT, IT IS SOMETIMES DIAGNOSED A MONTH IF NOT A YEAR LATER:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15475671

RESULTS: For 289 children, data on the age at the postnatal diagnosis were available, in 70.8% of whom there was suspicion of DS on the day of birth. In 1.7% of the cases, the diagnosis was made after 1 year. Place of birth and the specialty of the health worker assisting at the delivery were associated with age at diagnosis. When the child was delivered at hospital, 96.4% of the Down syndrome cases had been diagnosed within 1 month compared to 81.3% following home delivery. CONCLUSION: In some cases of Down syndrome in live-born babies, the diagnosis is made only after months or a year.

That took all of 30 seconds to research on Google.

As for your “This is that simple” about leaking amniotic fluid and pre-term labor, you are BLOWING IT OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. This does elevate the risk but these are not at all the most critical factors to consider, not even close. I am not saying Palin should have flown for 10 hours, she should not have. She prioritized her career over the well-being of her baby. At the same time, it wasn’t as utterly reckless as you are making it out to be. The point is that someone like Palin who is supposedly so family-oriented should have never made this kind of choice, much less flying to Texas while 8 months pregnant. Why can’t you leave it at that, why does a smear bordering on LIBEL have to be a part of this???

1 09 2008
MsTriste

I really appreciate being able to read what is going on in Alaska (I live in Hawaii – definitely NOT one of the lower 48 – and can relate to some of what is going on up there. We too have a female, Republican governor (who has a pretty impeccable political past) and have to wonder why she wasn’t picked over this inexperienced woman. We also have a very provincial attitude here and don’t feel part of the rest of the country’s politics. Hell, our polls are just opening when the networks have already declared the winner, so do our votes count at all? Anyway, again, thanks for the insight.

I applaud Sue Williams for speaking what appears to be the closest version of the truth that we will even know, and as a Democrat solely based on the issues she is opposed to: pro-choice and pro-gay marriage – I still agree with her one hundred percent about her judgment and her comments on whether this woman is fit to run our country based on her incredible lack of judgement, and the lies that will just keep coming.

It all comes back to lying. She lied about her pregnancy until she was 7 months pregnant. She lied about taking a long flight. She withheld the truth about her daughter’s pregnancy, going so far as to hide it by having her hold Trig with a blanket wrapped across her belly at the convention. Do I want a liar as a VP? Hell no. Even if she were the Democratic nominee, I wouldn’t vote for her either.

Although it’s a happy day for us Dems, as the uproar will not cease for some time, I’m still hoping for a good outcome, which would be for Palin to decline the nomination, and go back home and take care of her kids and grandkids, and let McCain find somebody who can take over if he’s elected and dies of a heart attack while in office.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Tom, you don’t like my Haikus? Now you’re hurtin’ me!

Haiku

Sun sinking toward south
Salmon-fat bears look for dens
Tom hates my Haiku

1 09 2008
KVW

Has anyone seen this video and for those in AK who may know the family, is this Todd Palin? : http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/1445/alleged-palin-family-video-turns-up

1 09 2008
The Logician

Soot, I hear you about the third line of Haikus. The best Haikus are those that crawl right up to the edge of non-sequiturhood without crossing the line. I will keep trying. That said, I think many of my Haikus have had the requisite disjointed character.

1 09 2008
Tom

BJ: In the words of Reagan (there you — and I — go again). My wife has been pregnant twice, once with twins, and so have dozens of our friends. If that were it, I might be speaking out of line, but the fact is my wife also runs a maternity store and she has seen literally THOUSANDS of pregnant women in all stages of pregnancy. (I’m not at her store a lot but I’ve still seen hundreds and hundreds). She knows how maternity clothing is cut, how it fits on different bodies, and has answered numerous questions from professional women (some close to their due dates) about how best to hide their pregnancies. A couple of times I’ve asked her if I can help do some marketing by going out and giving promotional cards to women that were pregnant, to which she said, “Don’t you dare!!!” Why? Because she KNOWS that a significant portion of women who LOOK pregnant are not actually pregnant, and a significant portion of women who DON’T LOOK pregnant are actually pregnant. Getting this wrong would be horrible negative publicity for her maternity store. Now, please provide your own personal experience, or in absence of that, some proof to go with your big mouth.

1 09 2008
BJ

Sorry guys,

watching MSNBC and you would think that it was FOX News. They just interviwed WH spokesperson and NO ONE mentioned the teen mom to be. This speaks to the family values issue why is everyone afraid to touch it but they had no pblm screaming about anyoone who LOOKED like they supported gay marriage in past elections.

I don’t know about you guys but as a mother to a tween, gay marriage does not effect my life nearly as much as the converstion that I have to have with her about why it is not okay for the VP nominees daughter to be pregnant at 16.

Now for those of you who do not think that pics can be manipulated, pls give me one good reason why the media is not talking about this issue in the manner that they should be discussing this. If SP thinks that she has the right to discuss and control my daughter’s uterus, I have the right to hear what is going on with her daughter’s uterus. Why should the media respect her privacy when SP doesn’t respect my private right to choice?

1 09 2008
emrysa

“She” put two and two together a bit faster than most other people, and even came up with four instead of five.

hey tom tell us – do you know “sue?” I’m just wondering how you come up with “she put 2 and 2 together” when clearly she said “I am only reporting what I hear constantly from Sarah and Todd’s “inner circle.” do you have reading comprehension problems, or just trying to make sue sound like she’s a clever investigator?

Hello again Sue Williams,
Thank you for posting here. Your articulate insight into the truth behind the Sarah Palin myth is more valuable than you may even realize. Please keep it up. Your country is counting on you!

bwaaahahahaa save the world, sue! help us! help us! omg some of you people are too much.

Don’t believe me, look at the pictures!!!

tom that’s great. you’ll believe the pictures of bristol, but you won’t believe the pictures of sp 7 months pregnant with no belly. oh that’s rich.

1 09 2008
BJ

Tom,
Point well taken. Clearly your wife does not think that you are qualified to speak on the subject as well.

1 09 2008
DB

lol, I was reading this last night and thinking Sue Williams couldn’t possibly be right. Well, Logician, it seems you and I and everyone else who accused Sue of being wrong owe her an apology.

The New York Times reported today that Bristol Palin is in fact pregnant. Which means 1. Baby Trig can’t be hers, just as Sue said and 2. well, Sue was right, wasn’t she? and 3. Sarah Palin actually was stupid enough to fly 10 hours after her water broke to give birth to her baby.

so, Sue, apologies on doubting you, you got your info 100% right. You should look into becoming a “source” for one of the papers who are covering Palin in this election.

1 09 2008
BJ

Tom,
Perhaps your wife can tell us why BP looks more preg than her mom did when she was futher along during her 5th preg. Given that you have proven that even your wife deems you less than qualified to peak on the subject.

1 09 2008
BJ

Tom-
Perhaps your wife can tell us why BP looks more preg than her mom did when she was futher along during her 5th preg. Given that you have proven that even your wife deems you less than qualified to speak on the subject.

1 09 2008
BJ

DB-
Sue was right but you are too easily convinced.

Sue never has told us if anyone ever saw BP during her horrible 5 month bout with mono.

1 09 2008
DB

all you really need to do is google “Bristol Palin pregnant” and you’ll see it’s everywhere.

and, since she’s apparently 5 months pregnant, there’s no way Trig can be hers, unless she gave birth and immediately got pregnant again.

here’s the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02PALINDAY.html

1 09 2008
The Logician

It all comes back to lying. She lied about her pregnancy until she was 7 months pregnant. She lied about taking a long flight. She withheld the truth about her daughter’s pregnancy, going so far as to hide it by having her hold Trig with a blanket wrapped across her belly at the convention. Do I want a liar as a VP? Hell no. Even if she were the Democratic nominee, I wouldn’t vote for her either.

The Palins are honorary West Virginians. The First Dude, he’s a high-school grad who wouldn’t want his lil’ fishpicker born in Texas. Momma, a runner-up beauty queen with hair extensions who praises Jesus regularly, took 5-1/2 years to graduate from the closest thing to a community college that can call itself a university. Shoots her own moose.

What are they going to do next January? Load all the stuff into a pickup truck and drive to Washington, D.C. with the four kids and the baby’s new baby? Will Bristol Belle’s shotgun daddy come along, or will stay back in Alaska? If so, will be get a Secret Service escort?

This The Beverly Hillbillies on steroids!

1 09 2008
curliesue

This young lady, Sadie from Wasilla, Alaska has these interesting pictures on her MySpace page…she has a brother named Levi (it would seem to be the same Levi from the Palin’s press release concerning Bristol’s pregnancy)

Here is Sadie’s MySpace link…

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=63524358

And her brother Levi’s MySpace link…

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113192646

Seems as though their last name is Wallner.

One shows her, Governor Palin and Trig and she claims the Governor as her “Mommy-In-Law” (maybe Levi and Bristol ARE married? or have been together long enough for the sister to call Sarah “Mother-in-law”)…

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602603#a=75206&i=27602607

One is her and Trig and she claims him as her ‘baby brother’ (NOT nephew)…

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602603

One shows herself and Bristol with Trig…

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602603#a=75206&i=27602605

And one from an earlier album entitled “Prom 08″ (maybe April-May) with Bristol to whom she refers to as “Sister-In-Law”

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=1968830&imageID=27149119

I just thought I would share them…very interesting thread here.

1 09 2008
BJ

DB – just look at earlier posts today in this thread. Immed preg is the answer.

1 09 2008
BJ

Wow never thought they came any lower than the Bush’s.

1 09 2008
Heidi

DB, 5 months pregnant is only technically 16-20 weeks, or 14-18 weeks post period.

1 09 2008
DB

but, if you’re right BJ, well, then Sarah and Todd are the stupidest parents alive. And Bristol shouldn’t be allowed to procreate she’s so dumb.

if my teenage daughter got pregnant once, I’d all but chain her in her room to make sure it didn’t happen again. I’d certainly explain what a CONDOM is to her. likewise, if I was a pregnant teen, I wouldn’t run off and immediately have sex again 15 seconds after my baby with down syndrome was born. You really can’t even have sex for about 6 weeks after you give birth. the timing doesn’t work out right for her to be 5 months along now.

(btw down syndrome really is something that presents itself most frequently if the mother is over 35, a woman I knew got pregnant at 36 and the doctors immediately told her she’d need to get tested)

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

I wonder if Sue is coming back…

1 09 2008
The Logician

I just can’t bring myself to accept the idea that Sarah Palin walked around for a month wearing an “empathy belly,” but the more that comes out about these hillbillies the more things that might be possible. Apparently the Rhodes Scholar of a husband has a D.U.I. under his belt, too.

The fun part is that Alaska will soon be overrun with hordes of reporters, and their editors are going to want some stories. Not to mention the National Enquirer, which no doubt will be looking into the two-baby theory and the space-baby theory, and every other theory.

It’s pretty funny to watch the right wingers try to blame all of this on the left wing bloggers. Soon enough, they’ll be saying the Daily Kos knocked up Bristol Palin.

1 09 2008
curliesue

This young lady, Sadie from Wasilla, Alaska has these interesting pictures on her MySpace page…she has a brother named Levi (it would seem to be the same Levi from the Palin’s press release concerning Bristol’s pregnancy)

Here is Sadie’s MySpace link…

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=63524358

And her brother Levi’s MySpace link…

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113192646

Seems as though their last name is Wallner…

One shows her, Governor Palin and Trig and she claims the Governor as her “Mommy-In-Law” (maybe Levi and Bristol ARE married? or have been together long enough for the sister to call Sarah “Mother-in-law”)…

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602603#a=75206&i=27602607

One is her and Trig and she claims him as her ‘baby brother’ (NOT nephew)…

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602603

One shows herself and Bristol with Trig…

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602603#a=75206&i=27602605

And one from an earlier album entitled “Prom 08″ (maybe April-May) with Bristol to whom she refers to as “Sister-In-Law”

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=1968830&imageID=27149119

I just thought I would share them…very interesting thread here.

1 09 2008
Heidi

DB, you are advised not to have sex in the first 6 weeks, however I know of MANY women who have, and have gotten pregnant again! My own mother did it, as my sister and I are a little over 10 months apart in age. It’s not healthy, its not advisable, but its not /impossible/.

1 09 2008
obamatron

This is a fascinating stream of comments. Let me summarize:

It’s almost certain that either SP’s dad or Mccain himself got both SP and Bristol pregnant. It’s always an older male who does this kind of stuff. These trailer-trash women are pushovers anyway. Besides the Palins are gun-loving small town republican hicks and this sort of stuff happens in small towns all the time, especially to blue collar yokels . Stay safe because the black helicopter of the evil Rove machine are out there. Luckily the true messiah will save us all from the satanist christian rightwing demon lovers.

1 09 2008
Heidi

And I mean, its not like she had a newborn to care for, her mother took that from her . . (just speculating here).

1 09 2008
BJ

DB-
their lack of intellect and parenting skills go without saying.

1 09 2008
Onyx

Has anyone seen this video and for those in AK who may know the family, is this Todd Palin? : http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/1445/alleged-palin-family-video-turns-up

Wow KVW! The mind boggles. I’m thinking the Republican establishment in Alaska plays very rough.

1 09 2008
BJ

Tron-
you forgot, “Eski-ho”

1 09 2008
DS

Maybe Trig is Track’s baby. Maybe that’s why Track left to join the military, to help support his baby. Lots of possibilities here. On a side note: Trig will become an Uncle when he’s 8 months old.

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

I’m still leaning towards emrysa’s comment this morning: “don’t be surprised for the story in a month that poor bristol is no longer “with child.”

Bristol could have had the baby in May, and she still has “baby belly”. That may be what we see in the pics.

That happening would put all the pieces of this into place.

The tangled webs we weave…

1 09 2008
BJ

Onyx

Even I find this too conveniently planted and hard to believe. We neek Sue or at least the owner of this Blog (who no one has given due credit to. Please read archived blogs on this site) to confirm or negate. Until then, I am skeptical even though it is hilarious.

1 09 2008
BJ

Republicans-

any speculation as to why McCain would not pick a more ethical, responsible, QUALIFIED woman?

1 09 2008
curliesue

Wow, this is all so crazy!

1 09 2008
Onyx

BJ

I was commenting on the existence of the video, not the authenticity. Someone is playing a rough game.

1 09 2008
Dish it

Heidi @12:41:34 said: “DB, you are advised not to have sex in the first 6 weeks…”

Hello? According to the Palin “family values” Bristol supposedly was advised to not have sex BEFORE MARRIAGE and yet she obviously disregarded that advice. Basing any argument on how things are “supposed” to be isn’t really relevent.

1 09 2008
jamie

Emrysa, What is your problem? I agree with you. Are you jealous because Sue Williams articulated the truth earlier and better than you?

1 09 2008
ProfRobert

I hope anyone who was dumping on Sue Williams will apologize now. Turns out Bristol Palin is pregnant after all. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02PALINDAY.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&hp

1 09 2008
The Logician

You’ve got it all wrong, obamatron. The Daily Kos knocked her up. Get with the program.

1 09 2008
BJ

Dish is right.

1 09 2008
Heidi

Dish it, I was saying what you were saying. Someone previously had said you can’t have sex before 6 weeks, and I was saying its technically unadvisable, but you can, and you can get pregnant.

1 09 2008
emrysa

Are you jealous because Sue Williams articulated the truth earlier and better than you?

oh yes I am most certainly jealous.

my “problem” is with the gullibility of people in this country, and the lengths with which people will go to exploit that gullibility. this is why you can just stick a fork in it – even if obama wins.

1 09 2008
emrysa

I should say

even WHEN obama wins.

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

Hi BJ… Although I’m not a republican, here’s my $.02… Sarah Palin was chosen, 1) because she’s female, 2) because she’d look good on the ticket, 3) McCain and his advisers were dumbfounded by Barack’s acceptance speech and thought Sarah might save the day, and 4) they simply had no time to vet her, since she was not on the short list of candidates for McCains VP pick.

1 09 2008
BJ

Okay, Red,
That’s what I came up with as well. Dumbed down, but good.

If it hadn’t been for the 200 and 2004 election curruptions, I would say “We’re safe!”

1 09 2008
BJ

Breaking News…

Palin has hired an atty for Troopergate.

Planned Parentood should be her next call.

1 09 2008
curliesue

This young lady, Sadie from Wasilla, Alaska has these interesting pictures on her MySpace page…she has a brother named Levi (it would seem to be the same Levi from the Palin’s press release concerning Bristol’s pregnancy)

Here is Sadie’s MySpace link…

And her brother Levi’s MySpace link…

Seems as though their last name is Wallner.

One shows her, Governor Palin and Trig and she claims the Governor as her “Mommy-In-Law” (maybe Levi and Bristol ARE married? or have been together long enough for the sister to call Sarah “Mother-in-law”)…

One is her and Trig and she claims him as her ‘baby brother’ (NOT nephew)…

One shows herself and Bristol with Trig…

And one from an earlier album entitled “Prom 08″ (maybe April-May) with Bristol to whom she refers to as “Sister-In-Law”

I just thought I would share them…very interesting thread here.

1 09 2008
Whatever

So who’s the daddy? Let’s get Maury on the case. We’ve all fallen in love with ‘C-Ray’, but now they talk about Levi? Here’s another myspace: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=63524358
Levi’s sister? BTW, this is all irrelevant, and I should get a life.

1 09 2008
The Logician

curliesue, I just found all that stuff on my own. What, are these people a bunch of swingers who don’t know who’s kid is whose? The closer one looks, the weirder it gets!

1 09 2008
BJ

great work Curlie but no link

1 09 2008
The Logician

Correction: ” … whose kid is whose …”

I swear I’m turning into trailer trash myself.

1 09 2008
curliesue

Darn! I guess I do not know how to include the direct links?

1 09 2008
Whatever

Team C-Ray!!!

1 09 2008
Scott

http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/1445/alleged-palin-family-video-turns-up

Wow…I can’t believe you people would post such an obvious fake. Is this blog/board an extension of the Daily Kos?

1 09 2008
Moose

I had read that SP was to be desposed this coming week. Perhaps thats why the Lawyer was hired for Troopergate. Also read the result of Investigation into questionable Abuse of Power by SP will be available in Oct 2008. I am grateful to Sue. She shed light.
My heart goes out to BP, what she is enduring now at the expense of her mothers quest for power is shameful. SP is a package of poor judgement.

1 09 2008
John Doe

A few points:

A quick check by an investigator would reveal Palin’s telephone records for the date of the conference in Texas (both cell and hotel). If there’s an incoming call from Alaska around 4 am (the time that Palin herself claims that her water broke), it would more than likely be from one of the in-state-Alaska Palins notifying the gov of her daughter’s impending birth.

As repeated here numerous times, Palin’s “birth tale” is utter BS, either cobbled together to protect her political career concerning the impending birth of her daughter’s baby or, if the completely implausible story somehow has elements of reality, to enlarge her own myth. Neither option is very attractive.

Those investigating this should remember something: don’t let yourselves be mentally manipulated by announced dates or places. Given what I’ve read about Palin’s abuses of power, one could imagine that she’d be capable of controlling (or even changing) birth announcements in-state. However, remember that arrogance can lead to lethal mistakes. Look for birth records before the stated day of birth. Look at the records of other medical facilities. Look for different names (such as the last name of the father of the daughter’s “current” baby, if that doesn’t match the boy linked to upthread). Look in other states (Idaho has been mentioned). Don’t let yourself be led by assumptions that are deliberately implanted in the group-mind in order to obfuscate.

At the risk of painting myself as a tinfoil hat wearer, something is very wrong with this reactive announcement of the daughter’s pregnancy. Palin’s history to this point consists of a chain of deliberate lies and this latest link strongly feels like an obscuring of facts rather than a clearing of the air. Yes, it makes her look like a fool and shows just how ironically barren her spiritual/polititical philosophy (which she’d like to impose on the rest of us) is, but I get a profound intuitive sense that it is painting over something far more grievous. Color me unconvinced. BTW, if Palin wants to prove conclusively that she’s recently given birth, let her submit to an exam by a medical professional of the Obama camp’s choosing (even if the Obama camp hasn’t questioned this). Proof of lactation ought to suffice (Breast pumps at the ready, people).

Reflect on this: there are but two months before the election. McCain/Palin are going to try to run out the clock on this issue, if they can’t dismiss it outright. After that, any and all lies become moot. So what if the daughter isn’t actually pregnant (or doesn’t “come to term”, another Rovian twist for sympathy), but is carrying post-birth weight? So what if she actually delivers in February rather than December? Any and all lies will have become shrugged off “political necessities”.

The remarkable evidence that has been uncovered so far doesn’t become trash overnight with this latest announcement, with it’s calculated dates (or Palin’s claim that she’ll be breast-feeding Trig on the campaign trail…a public event, one wonders?). There’s more to this story than we’re being spoon-fed by the McCain campaign, and while most of you will accept it at face value, I won’t be among you.

(Disclaimer: As the father of a 15 year old Down’s Syndrome daughter, I was originally infuriated by Palin’s pride in the irresponsibility depicted in her “birth tale”, and that spurred me on to look at all of the evidence that has been compiled. No matter what turns out to be true (and/or false) in this whole sordid mess, it has become clear that she is possibly the worst possibly choice for the second highest office in the land).

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Hey Tom – sorry that gimp in the basement thing got under your skin like it did – or is it little Tommy Rove – anyone on here that believes for a minute that your wife works at a maternity store is really smoking some good bud

Did she supply the empathy belly ?

HA !! Ma Freindzzzzzzz !!!!

1 09 2008
BJ

What’s the myspace link. then I really have to go..

1 09 2008
The Logician

The father is someone named “Levi.” That’s mentioned in the McCain press release. Whether “Levi” is a given name or a nickname is unknown.

Here is a website that I understand to be Levi’s sister’s My Space site. Levi’s sister’s name appears to be Mercedez Marie. Here is one of her photo albums with captions.

Here is a picture of who I understand to be Levi. Here is a picture of Mercedes Marie holding “TriggyBear,” who she describes as “my new baby brother.”

Here is a picture of Mercedes Marie holding Trig, with Sarah Palin looking on, referring to Sarah Palin as “Mommy Inlaw.” Here is a picture of Mercedez Marie with someone who I looks like Bristol Palin, described in the caption as her “sister-in-law.” Purely for identification purposes, here is a picture of Mercedes Marie and her boyfriend, identified as Cody Russel.

This is all very mind-blowing. Can any locals up there sort it out? By the way, I have taken screen captures of these sites, so if they’re taken down I can (eventually) get them back up. What do these in-law designations mean?!

1 09 2008
curliesue

I will try these again…here are some MySpace link’s from Levi’s sister, Sadie…

Her MySpace profile…

“http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=63524358″

1 09 2008
curliesue

Picture of Sadie and her brother, Levi (the supposed father of Bristol’s baby)…

1 09 2008
curliesue

I am terrible at this!

Picture of Sadie and her brother, Levi (the supposed father of Bristol’s baby)…

“http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=9866485″

1 09 2008
curliesue

Picture of Sadie and Trig, to whom she refers as her ‘baby brother’…

“http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602603″

1 09 2008
curliesue

Picture of Sadie and Governor Palin (“Mommy-In-Law”??) and Trig…

“http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602607″

1 09 2008
curliesue

Picture of Sadie and Bristol and Baby Trig…

“http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602607#a=75206&i=27602605″

1 09 2008
Heidi

Ha, she totally just removed the pic where she calls him her little brother.

1 09 2008
curliesue

Sadie and Bristol…the album is titled Prom 08, so I am assuming sometime this spring? She doesn’t look pregnant…but who knows when this was taken?

“http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=1968830&imageID=27149119″

By the way, what a prom dress…

1 09 2008
Heidi

Ha, she’s going through all her photos. Someone alerted her.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

Wow, better save those pictures before they disappear. I also made pdfs of the first pages of the two albums you referenced.

1 09 2008
jamie

curliesue,
Try not to spam the board in your efforts to learn cut and paste.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

No worries, Heidi. I have pdfs showing her captions.

1 09 2008
Heidi

I took a screenshot of the pictures she removed.

1 09 2008
curliesue

You would think she would leave them since they ‘somewhat’ support the claim that baby Trig is Sarah & Todd’s (if she considers them “In-Laws” because her brother Levi is with, or married to, their daughter Bristol). That would explain her calling Trig her brother…but who knows with these people! I feel like we are all witnessing a real life episode of “Days of our Lives”…

1 09 2008
2 Weird

Unbelievable. Just checked out the Myspace links and noticed that she was online now. While I browsing pages, suddenly all the pix of trig, bristol and Mommy in law went missing. If she is Levi’s sister, she got wind of the leak and has just removed all the incriminating photos. This whole story gets weirder all the time.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

If anyone wants a look, let me know. I have the page in JPG and PDF format.

1 09 2008
Shep

Count me among those disappointed at Logician’s sudden collapse, because I think he was right. it is obvious that the “official” storyline is as bogus a tale as one could imagine. That, added to the fact that the hospital has no record of a birth involving its highest elected official, leads me to believe that Bristol had Trig at home after which he was taken to the hospital by his grandparents. Is it possible that Bristol, still mad a mommy for the way the episode was handled, went out and had sex immediately, and said “Oops, I did it again”? Entirely plausible for these hillbillies.

This is just fascinating to watch unfold.

1 09 2008
The Logician

I see that she set her profile to “private.” I have screenshots of everything.

1 09 2008
Heidi

She actually eliminated most of her photos, went from something like 14 pages of pictures to two. I’m sitting here hitting “back” on my browser button and saving all the stuff :)

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

This is not about who the Father(s) is / are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get off it !!!

McCain makes a big deal about going to Miss. with Sarah and all in tow – trying to appear Presidential in the absence of the one we already have – trying to make political points all weekend –

Instead !! – Have you heard a word about him marching around saving the Day ??? – Where are they ? –

They are in MAJOR Damage Control. Even hired “Tom” to cover this thing. Tom is actually several people –

Sarah lied to McCain and his troupe of idiots.

Johnny McCain thought she was really cute and charming – she “inspires” him – she is his “soul Mate” – geez –

Johnny McCain can always say he is a WAR Hero !!!

It works every time

1 09 2008
Heidi

Sadie is quite the little underage drinker!

1 09 2008
The Logician

Count me among those disappointed at Logician’s sudden collapse, because I think he was right. it is obvious that the “official” storyline is as bogus a tale as one could imagine.

Remember: For young Trigonometry to be Bristol (or someone else’s but not Sarah Palin’s) child, then Sarah Palin had to have been walking around for a month with an “empathy belly.” That’s just too far out there for me, although the more I see of this — especially that My Space site — the more I’m willing to entertain almost any possibility, including space aliens.

1 09 2008
Whatever

Who has the daddy picture? I missed that one.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

Apparently people never learn that MySpace pictures and posts = bad news… though it might turn out to be some darn interesting news :D

1 09 2008
The Logician

Okay, now the question is: Who has a server account somewhere and knows how to do HTML coding?

1 09 2008
BJ

Well, the catpion that she SP should not want linked to her is on the last page that says “Nigs fo life”

1 09 2008
BJ

Told you guys. We are giving them too many answers here. You know they can’t figure it out themselves.

If your mommy in law is the VP pick shouldnt’ you have set it to private much sooner than this? Duh.

1 09 2008
curliesue

I think its interesting that Levi’s MySpace is still up…although it’s set to Private…and his mood is interesting as well…

“http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113192646″

1 09 2008
Heidi

Also, per the boyfriend/husband of Bristol’s myspace, he’s 19. And she’s 17. Is 17 the age of consent? Or is she 16? Who knows.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Hey – Tom is gone – keep an eye out for the next damage control plant – $50 bucks to the first to identify these scumbags

1 09 2008
BJ

Hope you guys all know that we’re on THE LIST. Especially SUE Williams if that’s her real name.

1 09 2008
BJ

Hope Sue is alright.

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

Her myspace page is now set to private! LOL they know the net is on to them.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Heidi – i love you – another earlier reference to the changing of the age of Bristol – to protect the kid Father from statuatory Rape ? – Someone tell me i am wrong – it is ok !!

1 09 2008
Andrea

BJ – you wrote:

“If SP thinks that she has the right to discuss and control my daughter’s uterus, I have the right to hear what is going on with her daughter’s uterus. Why should the media respect her privacy when SP doesn’t respect my private right to choice?”.

that is an utterly brilliant point to make, and I think you should make it on every bloody blog and news website out there right now. :-)

1 09 2008
Kyle

Logician, send an email to palingate08@gmail.com, and I think I can help you.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

According to some sites, the age of consent in Alaska is 16.

1 09 2008
Shep

Remember: For young Trigonometry to be Bristol (or someone else’s but not Sarah Palin’s) child, then Sarah Palin had to have been walking around for a month with an “empathy belly.” That’s just too far out there for me

Seriously Logician, what’s so far out? She was faking a pregnancy to “save” her political career. We can see that nothing is more important to her (certainly not her family). How difficult would it have been for her to wear a fake belly for a month? Not very.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

I think Sue is being questioned in a Black Limo by Tom and the boyzzzz —–

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

Hahahaha @ JB. Hilarious. You guys are a hoot. I’ve been following this since it broke yesterday. Color me intrigued, but I just can’t stop refreshing to watch this insane story unfold. I really don’t know how the McCain/Palin camp will respond to this.

1 09 2008
emrysa

For young Trigonometry to be Bristol (or someone else’s but not Sarah Palin’s) child, then Sarah Palin had to have been walking around for a month with an “empathy belly.” That’s just too far out there for me,

well what would you do if you were trying to fake a pregnancy? don’t you find it interesting that she announces when she’s 7 months pregnant (and no one can tell) and then gives birth a month later?

beats wearing the empathy belly for 2 or 3 months, doesn’t it?

1 09 2008
2 Weird

Ooops, Levi cancelled his Myspace page altogether. “Private” wasn’t private enough, I guess.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Okay, let’s see if I have this straight:

1. Levi is the boyfriend who knocked up Bristol Palin.

2. Mercedes Marie is Levi’s sister.

3. Sarah Palin is Mercedes Marie’s mother-in-law. For this to be true, Mercedes Marie has to be Track Palin’s wife.

4. Trig Palin is Mercedes Marie’s brother. For this to be true, Mercedes Marie has to be Sarah Palin’s daughter. This would also make her Track Palin’s sister, and Bristol Palin’s sister. Her brother, Levi, would be Sarah Palin’s son. This would mean that Mercedes Marie would be married to her brother and Levi would be married to her sister.

5. Mercedes Marie and Bristol Palin are sisters-in-law. If #4 was true, then they would be both sisters AND sisters-in-law

Conclusion: Mercedes Marie is confused or casual about the definition of an in-law, or there’s a whole lot shakin’ goin’ on in Wasilla, Alaska. My guess is the former. From looking around that My Space site, I didn’t get the impression that the Harvard admissions committee was going to be calling anytime soon.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

What is Bristol’s birthdate ? Was she 15 when she was impregnated in Aug. 2007 – Did she turn 16 in Sept. – for example ? – Now she is about to turn 17 –

Lies are all in the numbers – Lies are calculations –

Life is about 0’s and 1’s and neutral – the basics follow all of us around

As do computers of course –

1 plus 1 equals two –

the truth will set you free

1 09 2008
emrysa

If your mommy in law is the VP pick shouldnt’ you have set it to private much sooner than this? Duh.

well she’s only 17. I wouldn’t expect someone of that age who lives in tinytown alaska to know all the games, even if she does know tinystates’ governor.

1 09 2008
emrysa

JohnnyBoy at (14:23:11) :

heh

1 09 2008
The Logician

Kyle, will do. I’ve got to go walk the dog, so it’ll be an hour or so. Hey everyone else, send your screencaps to Kyle too. I said I had everything, but I’m not sure it was actually everything. Better that he have duplicates than not enough.

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

Yep… None of the links work now. It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.

Wait a second… just found this link with copies of some of the pics:

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2008/09/is-this-smoking-gun-that-proves-trig.html

Better hurry before Karl Rove takes it down, LOL…

1 09 2008
dan

Might I suggest that a copy of this page be saved periodically as well?

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Hey back at ya Emrysa –

As what was that guy in Dragnet said ?

Just the facts maaaammmm !!

Do the numbers

1 09 2008
curliesue

Logician – I am assuming (and you know where assuming gets you) that Mercedes “Sadie” Marie Wallner is making the leap that the Palins are her “In-Laws” because Bristol and Levi are, or were, together as a couple. And it also seems pretty crazy that she would have no qualms about posting the Governor’s picture on her MySpace…

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

Found this site with some pics and captions – copied from Sadie’s myspace I assume:

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2008/09/is-this-smoking-gun-that-proves-trig.html

1 09 2008
1 09 2008
Carathustra

Please excuse this if it has already been posted, i’ve had time only to skim through all the comments. However, in putting together the facts presented commenter ‘Sue in Alaska’ and the news released by Palin in the media today, i ran a quick search for info on the husband/impregnator Levi (according to SP) and found his sister’s Myspace page. Which–interestingly enough–has pictures of Levi’s sister holding Trig while seated next to SP and Bristol Palin.

Even more interesting? Levi’s sis captions the photos of Trig ‘My new baby brother’ and captions SP as ‘Mommy-in-law’.

So i’ve no idea what to believe…i was willing to buy Trig being SP’s child and Bristol being pregnant with her first child and about to marry Levi, as per the Palin announcement…but this confounds such info.

Here are the pics. If they’re already removed (there were photos of the kids’ underage drinking/drug activities being removed as i perused the site, although i saved those too) you’re welcome to post your email and i will send them to you.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=63524358&albumId=75206

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602603

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602605

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=75206&imageID=27602607

And if you’re curious as to why i think this is fair political fodder–when SP thinks she has the right to legislate my daughters’ reproductive options, her own daughter’s example will come into play.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Yeah Logician – I had to take a break and hit the Peace Pipe and then we had to hit to Wal-Mart – need a new cooler –

I think i saw the proposed First Family there !!!

Buying cheap imported empathy bellies from those damned Chinese Christians !!!!!!

1 09 2008
emrysa

The Logician (14:37:43) :

good one! I agree she’s just confused or using the term loosely, and I also agree that Harvard won’t be showin up anytime soon.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

Yikes, the pictures I have don’t seem to be going through. The error message says the following:

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

palingate08@gmail.com

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

Put http to the LEFT of the colon at the beginning of this link…

://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2008/09/is-this-smoking-gun-that-proves-trig.html

1 09 2008
The Logician

Catch this report, which says the Republican lawyers are in Alaska right now, doing a deeper vet on Sarah Palin. This thing is blowing up in their face as we speak. If a gaggle of bloggers in bathrobes could learn this much, this fast, then God only knows what else is there.

Naturally, the mainstream media is in full Eek! I saw a mouse! mode. This is just hilarious!

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

Or try it this way… put html to the right of the last period, just past trig.

You’ll see the pics with captions from Sadie’s myspace…

1 09 2008
BJ

Emrysa-I would not expect the 17 year old but isn’t Team McCain suppose to be handling all of this?

I was contacted several years ago by “The Company” when a neighbor (who I never even knew existed) applied for a job with them.

I’m sure that team mccain should have done their seven degrees search.

Come on!

As to Logician’s pt., I am leaning more to the validity of SUE’s statement yeaterday that the BP is already married. Especially given SUE’s sudden silence “coincidently” timed with the press release. SP didn’t issue a statement on her own pregnancy this early!

JB-this is the point that I was making earlier. We have to wonder why BP’s age has suddenly jumped in the last day.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Kyle, I sent you a test e-mail. If hear back from you soon enough, I ship you the screencaps right away. Otherwise, it’ll be post-dog poop.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Sue’s sudden silence could also be a function of her seeming to have given her real name on line, and then being contacted by one or both of the families. The Time magazine whitewash attempt notes that Wasilla is going into full clam-up mode now. Which is perfect for the National Enquirer, which has just what the doctor ordered: suitcases full of cash. If the Enquirer can squeeze information out of Hollywood and Washington, D.C., trust me, they’ll get it out of Wasilla, Alaska.

1 09 2008
Carathustra

I have screenshots and saved files of the photos posted by Levi’s sister that include SP and Bristol…as well as a few of the photos of the gaggle of kids busy with underage drinking/drug use (sadly, there were far too many to choose from among those). I’m sure the press has already found the same photos but just in case…if anyone wants them to pass along, feel free to contact me. ‘asha_shanti4′ at the land of the yahooligans dot com.

1 09 2008
John Doe

Remember: For young Trigonometry to be Bristol (or someone else’s but not Sarah Palin’s) child, then Sarah Palin had to have been walking around for a month with an “empathy belly.”

Anyone who’s worked in community theater for a couple of weeks has the wherewithal to pad a woman’s midsection. You’ll notice in the “pregnant” photo that she shows no signs of hormonal activity that causes the face and hands to puff up and that doesn’t vanish due to “extreme running” or any other hyper-exercise routine (that you’d do whilst carrying a Down’s Syndrome baby?).

There’s something very fishy about the fishpicker’s story, and this latest attempt practically screams SLEIGHT OF HAND!

1 09 2008
The Logician

By the way, I’ve saved a screenshot of this website. I won’t be surprised if the Republicans lean on WordPress to shut it down.

1 09 2008
BJ

Red, I’m in agreement with the blogger that this could be Willow in the “sis in law” pic.

1 09 2008
Onlooker

LOL, well Logician, turns out Sue was right buddy. The news media is on this like white on rice.

1 09 2008
hiphoplawyer

Reading through the latest posts here, I had a thought that John Doe also alluded to above.

The idea that the statement announcing BP’s pregnancy kills the “Trig is BP’s kid” is based on the timeline (i.e., if she’s 5 months pregnant NOW, then should couldn’t have given birth on April 18 (and vice versa)).

However, for this to work you have to assume the truth of: (1) the “5 months pregnant” assertion, and (2) the April 18 birth date. Neither of these have been verified.

The “5 months” assertion could easily be off by a few weeks without being obviously false. The April 18 date could also be off by a few weeks without being obviously false – and this conclusion is backed up by the fact that the hospital did not announce it on that date as it normally would have.

The fact is, all we have to back up the April 18 date is a self-serving announcement from the Palin family. And all we have to back up the “5 months” assertion is… a self-serving announcement from the Palin family.

None of this is to say that the “2 Bristol pregnancies” theory is correct. Only that it has not been conclusively disproven by today’s “Bristol is pregnant” announcement.

As an aside, this is one of the most interesting comment threads I’ve ever seen.

1 09 2008
The Logician

John Doe, I starting to warm up to the idea. The weird My Space page referring to Sarah Palin as “mommy inlaw” is suspicious, and you’re right, it would’ve been much easier to simply release a birth certificate to beat down the rumor of who Trig’s mother is.

Why would McCain’s people “out” Bristol Palin when they could have simply established Trig Palin’s parentage?

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Thanks Logician – stay with us – thought we lost you for a minute there – Tom got to you – but Andrea Mitchell – all the rest – in the backroom trying to figure out how to deal with this – BabyGate hitting full force – should they leave it up to the Enquirer like they did with Edwards ? They are so scared of real journalism – where is Walter Cronkite when we need him – Dan Rather in his prime – Morley Safer –

McCain and his cronies got charmed – she got his dick hard –
or at least he felt just a bit of arousal for the first time in a while – too much time with the Ice Princess – money or no money – forgot all those lessons learned in that prison cell

Men are suckers for a pretty woman – i have fallen for it over and over again – with varying degrees of success

They never fully vetted her – she lied to them about the whole thing – just as she has lied to the people of Alaska now since March – from what i am understanding now – well before then

Thanks Logician for starting this up – it has been a lot of fun for us – we admittedly are reveling in this –

Kharma baby. Good or Bad. It will get you every time.

All i can say is these poor kids -

1 09 2008
Voter

To curliesue:

You better save those contents because i bet you they will be taken down as soon as you have posted them here.

1 09 2008
BJ

Birth Certificates can be altered as well in a state where you are Gov.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Red, I’m in agreement with the blogger that this could be Willow in the “sis in law” pic.

If so, it would have no effect on the wacky schematic that I laid out. If she’s Willow’s sister-in-law, she’s also Bristol’s sister-in-law.

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

Why hasn’t TMZ gotten a copy of Trig’s BC…they are usually good with that kind of stuff!

1 09 2008
BJ

Poor SUE, trusted her party and therefore felt that she had the right to post her real name. Even if you could goggle it to locate her. All the more reason that she is who she says she is. Of course they told her to pipe down.

1 09 2008
Clever Else

Hi Again,

Just catching up on this link since last night. It’s like a trainwreck; I just can’t help myself. I have never wasted this much time on a blog…well…ever.

John Doe- I’m in complete agreement with your story theory.

Logician- missed your haiku’s. You were the first to point out the inconsistencies in both Tom and Sue’s stories. And it seems Sue has disappeared again?

Emrysa- I seriously am in awe of your lovely cynicism. :)

What about what John Doe proposed, that we look for alternate birth info, etc?

1 09 2008
BJ

Yeah, Log but it would explain her not looking so preg (not that the pic is dated). It is irrelevant anyway with regard to this thread.

1 09 2008
DB

Well, since Sue from yesterday seems to have been right about everything, I’d say it’s not too presumptuous to say Bristol and Levi might be married.
(BTW, do all the people in Alaska come up with the weirdest names they can for their kids?)

but it seems like there’s only a couple of possible scenarios here

1. Trig is Bristol’s and she should be spayed because she went out and got knocked up again a week after he was born.

2. Trig is Bristol’s and she’s going to suffer a “miscarriage” in a few months. But, since she’s 5 months pregnant now, well, it’s just preposterous to think Trig could be hers so…go away media.

3. Trig is Sarah’s baby. She’s an idiot who waited 10 hours to get to a hospital to deliver her baby. Her daughter is now pregnant.

I’m not even gonna touch the age issue cause it’s getting too complicated.

I would love to see the pics up on the sister-in-law’s page before they were taken down. WHY is the news so behind everyone else on this? Seriously, I should not be discovering this info on a blog, it should be all over ABC. If anyone who has the pics would be willing to send them to me, my e-mail is danaib9128@gmail.com. Thanks.

btw, is anyone else getting concerned for Sue? SP supposedly harassed her own brother-in-law during his divorce and made threatening phone calls. Lord knows what she’d do to a total stranger, right?

1 09 2008
BJ

Yeah, Log, but it would explain her not looking so preg (not that the pic is dated). It is irrelevant anyway with regard to this thread.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Birth Certificates can be altered as well in a state where you are Gov.

Which makes the way the McCain campaign went about this even weirder. The Daily Kos did not focus on Theory #2, and even here it was panned before this morning. So, why did McCain’s people “out” Bristol’s current pregnancy supposedly as a means of batting down Theory #1, when all they had to do was release a birth certificate?

And if a state governor can easily have it altered, that’d be all the more reason to go that route. The more one examines this, the weirder it gets.

1 09 2008
BJ

Maybe the owner of the blog know SUE and can check in on her.

1 09 2008
John Anon

Can someone put the pictures from the sister-in-law’s website up on a site like imagedump?

1 09 2008
BJ

Wierd indeed. Truthfully, I don’t think we ever want to really figure out all of the nuances of this because if we can, we are thinking like them. -Not interested.

1 09 2008
Redwood Man

Hey there DB… This link was still working a second ago:

http://www.theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2008/09/is-this-smoking-gun-that-proves-trig.html

You can see some of the pics and capitons from Sadie’s / Mercedes’ myspace page…

1 09 2008
The Logician

John Anon, I’m not familiar with those sites. Could you give some names? By the way, I never heard back from “Kyle.” Hmm.

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Andrea Mitchell reporting that a team of lawyers is going to Alaska to vet her.

Geez.

Praise the Lord for stupid intolerant evangelical creationist and bigoted Christians !!!

Not exactly the kind of Christians i grew up with.

But then – back then – people valued honesty just a bit more than they do today

As painful as that may be

The truth will set you free. Once this is over, they will be able to recover as a family and hopefully get some good Kharma back in the household.

Is it the Moose Meat that does it ? – Never tried it

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

Done and done.

1 09 2008
emrysa

from the time article:

“It makes you realize that a thing like a little teenage pregnancy isn’t such a big deal,” his mom said. “Bristol—and lots of other girl like her out there — are going to be just fine.”

holy hell. I guess this is what it’s come to. I can’t believe the writer had the gall to print this. all these years of trying to get young people to be responsible, and now the potential vp’s neighbors are essentially like “eh. it’s no big deal.”

I noticed the resident didn’t demonstrate 1 bit of concern for the supposed fetus. yeah it’s got a real bright future ahead.

just stick a fork in it.

1 09 2008
The Logician

Fantastic, Moose! That was fast! Now I really CAN go walk the dog.

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

Has anyone checked to see if this people are on Facebook or Flickr?

1 09 2008
emrysa

Why would McCain’s people “out” Bristol Palin when they could have simply established Trig Palin’s parentage?

THAT is the million dollar question. keep asking.

1 09 2008
The Logician

emrysa, but you know what they’d be saying if, say, Obama had a teenage daughter in the same situation, or if Chelsea Clinton, even now but especially at age 17, has turned up pregnant.

1 09 2008
John Anon

Thanks Mooseburger

1 09 2008
DB

thanks for the photos!

wow, Bristol, nice dress. seriously, LOVE the color.
ughh, are this girl’s parents even aware of when she enters and exits the house?

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

All ye Praise Logician

I have watched this from early on – and i credit you for your fairness and with sticking with it –

Where there is smoke there is fire

Rotting Moose stink – right ?

Where is Tom ? – i think they gave up on him and decided to send a team of damage control lawyers to Alaska to figure out how to save John McCain’s image as an experience leader – Tom – i love you man – Tom the RNC dude – where for art thou –

Sick bastard

1 09 2008
emrysa

I seriously am in awe of your lovely cynicism.

yeah it’s bad, isn’t it? heh oh well.

1 09 2008
BJ

Emrysa-

didn’t you get the memo? Teen pregnancy is no longer an epedemic and the girls in MA that TIME magazine weote about months ago were simply trendsetters! Personally when I hear of teens being pregnant, I can’t help but to think, “That’s so ’80’s!”

Gotta go (the fam’s mad cause I over boiled the potatoes for the potato salad, oops!). Check back later.

1 09 2008
dan

Hello all,

I have registered the domain name palingate08 dot com and will gladly put it to whatever use would be best for presenting and preserving information relevant to this story.

It will take a while for the domain name to propagate throughout the DNS servers, so you might not be able to view it quite yet. Furthermore, I make no promises on the aesthetics of the site (other than it will not look good!)… function over form, after all!

I hope this can be put to good use… dan

1 09 2008
dan

Hello all,

I have registered the domain name palingate08 dot c o m and will gladly put it to whatever use would be best for presenting and preserving information relevant to this story.

It will take a while for the domain name to propagate throughout the DNS servers, so you might not be able to view it quite yet. Furthermore, I make no promises on the aesthetics of the site (other than it will not look good!)… function over form, after all!

I hope this can help somehow… dan

1 09 2008
Clever Else

Emrysa- of course there is only ultimate concern for the fetus, just not the mother. The religious extremists are almost taking not only a woman’s *choice* out of the equation, they’re trying to take the *woman* out of the pic, too.

We are becoming no more than an egg producing incubator for the next generations of Roves and Cheneys. {shudder}

1 09 2008
emrysa

emrysa (15:29:33)

woops! just re-read my post and of course I was not referring to the fetus when I said stick a fork in it. see earlier post for context.

1 09 2008
McCain Supporter

Heidi,

You crack me up. How many pregnancies have you been through? If you are 13 weeks pregnant and there are about 4 weeks in a month, that would make you “about” 3 months along, NOT 5. Goofball.

For all the other lefties out there, I just keep reading all the hash you keep slinging and I’m very thankful that none of you are politicians. You folks are all so short sided and hung up on pregnancies that it is only a wonder that the whole country goes to hell when a democrat takes the presidency.

The other thing I’d like to mention is that I’ll bet that none of you has made a big deal about all the actors that have children and let others raise them while they are off to this that or the other place filming a movie. I’ll venture even farther and guess that you pay money to see these films in support of the millions of dollars they are paid to have someone else raises those children.

Is everyone on this blog living in a glass house? Should a parent be responsible for every action of his/her child? Be careful how you answer this.

Quite frankly, I don’t care in the least if Bristol is or is not pregnant, is or is not married. What does that have to do with Sarah and her abilities to think logically to make sound decisions?

Give it up folks, or don’t, you all just look stupid.

1 09 2008
Mrs. S.

If there was a birth registered, Trig has a social security number that will relate back to his birth certificate and should name his parents. No choice but to get one for a baby when it’s born nowadays, even in Alaska. And they are very searchable from all over the place, ya know?

1 09 2008
Clever Else

Lol. I knew what you meant. You may be ironic and cynical, but not tasteless.

1 09 2008
test

Any reason why none of my comments are showing up?

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Nobody gets the $50 – McCain supporter just signed in

Watch this MF go

1 09 2008
test

Well, fine. Since that one did, I’ll just call myself “test” now… (formerly dan)

I have registered the domain name palingate08 dot com and will gladly put it to whatever use would be best for presenting and preserving information relevant to this story. Any ideas?

It will take a while for the domain name to propagate throughout the DNS servers, so you might not be able to view the site quite yet. Furthermore, I make no promises on the aesthetics of the site (other than it will not look good!)… function over form, after all!

I hope this can help somehow… dan (a.k.a. test)

1 09 2008
Heidi

I’ve got screenshots if anyone wants ‘em. Tons of underage drinking, though.

1 09 2008
curliesue

McCain Supporter – At 13 weeks a woman is in her 4th month of pregnancy. Those of us whom have experienced a pregnancy understood exactly what Heidi was saying. Gestation/due dates are all calculated from the date of a woman’s last period…for medical purposes, she is due exactly 40 weeks from the date of her last period, even though for two of those weeks she is not pregnant (from period to ovulation/conception). Not that it matters in the least here. Heidi was simply trying to point out that Bristol could be very early in her pregnancy and, due to some ‘fancy’ rounding, the camp could be claiming that she is ‘about’ 5 months, when, in fact, she could be very newly pregnant.

1 09 2008
Heidi

McCain supporter, how many pregnancies have you had? 4 months along is weeks 12-16. I am in week 13. Therefor, I am 4 months pregnant. Do I need to break this down further for your simple little mind?

0-4 weeks = 1 month
4-8 weeks = 2 months
8-12 weeks = 3 months
12-16 weeks = 4 months
16-20 weeks = 5 months
And so on and so forth! So Bristol is ONLY 16-20 weeks along! And if you use “about” as an estimate, she could be even less!

1 09 2008
Voter

Mooseburger Lover – if you have the picture of Levi and Sadie, please post that too

1 09 2008
Clever Else

McCain supporter- You must be daft. Having a child get pregnant out of wedlock may not be “a big deal” to someone not standing on a “family values” platform. But it certainly *is* a big deal to women who aren’t interested in having a woman make executive decisions who puts herself and her child at extreme risk by flying all over the country during a high risk pregnancy (best case scenario) and then bypassing all neo-natal care units to have her family doc deliver her special needs child in some back-water hospital.

If you don’t find her decision making skills questionable in that case, then you are truly beyond all hope.

1 09 2008
SUNRAI

@ McCain Supporter – it’s obvious that Palin doesn’t have the ability to make sound decisions if she’s in this much hot water…not just with this baby mess, but with a whole slew of other issues like earmarks, the brother in law, her time as a mayor etc….

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1 09 2008
Heidi

Thank you, curliesue, you beat me to it!

1 09 2008
Voter

I’ve got screenshots if anyone wants ‘em. Tons of underage drinking, though.

Heidi – can you post them at imageshack or photobucket and give us the links please?????

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Heidi – watch him try to tire you out – tit for tat – try to change the conversation – think about how he offers nothing but rebuttal to something other than the issue –

Pubs are generally either just real dumb or sociopaths –

About 50-50 – some inbreeding of course

1 09 2008
Heidi

I’ve also got a screenshot of Levi’s “private” myspace. The picture is real flattering.

1 09 2008
McCain Supporter

Since NONE of you have ALL the facts, keep making assumptions. It’s what you do best. Certainly you’ll convince yourselves at some point.

1 09 2008
emrysa

Since NONE of you have ALL the facts, keep making assumptions. It’s what you do best. Certainly you’ll convince yourselves at some point.

you don’t have all the facts, either. your point?

1 09 2008
Clever Else

McCain supporter- but she’s really cute, can shoot a moose, is a mean fisherwoman, has some cool black go-go boots, and really is a “maverick” reformer!

How many maverick reformers does it take to request and receive millions in earmarks from Congress?

How many maverick reformers does it take to fire two separate police chiefs within a couple year span in politics?

1 09 2008
McCain Supporter

My point is that I’m not passing judgement and I’m not slinging mud. What’s your excuse?

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Too late McCain Supporter – we are on to you – we are watching you – dont be afraid dear fearmonger – your mind can play tricks on you – once you start to realize that someone knows who you really are – pretty scary thought huh ?

1 09 2008
McCain Supporter

JohnnyBoy, Too late for what? Sounds like you need a therapist.

1 09 2008
Clever Else

oops- forgot the answering links Question#1=

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-earmarks1-2008sep01,0,6108885.story

Question#2=

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/the-reform-candidate

[In her role as Mayor...]“Palin acted in a way that eerily foreshadows her recent actions while governor. Early in her tenure as mayor, the city council threatened to recall her over accusations that she fired the city’s police chief, Irl Stambaugh, and the library director, Mary Ellen Emmons, without warning. She accused them in a letter saying: “I do not feel I have your full support in my efforts to govern the city of Wasilla. Therefore I intend to terminate your employment …” (The Anchorage Daily News, via nexis)

1 09 2008
emrysa

My point is that I’m not passing judgement and I’m not slinging mud.

I think what you really meant to say was “I don’t care if she’s a liar. she’s got an R next to her name.”

1 09 2008
Karen

I am sorry if Sue got scared away. I live in FL, and just adore the small town info she provided. You guys, please don’t scare people away from this valuable blog. It’s one of the best I can find on the web. Got others you’re checking regularly? (straight from Alaska?)

1 09 2008
Curious

This web site clarifies the birthdate … and the three traffic tickets.

http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/PAMW6500

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Mr. McCain supporter has the facts.

That is how he knows that we dont.

As i have said before – dont let the smoke fool you

Mr. McCain supporter will set you straight – he will scare you because he knows that all of the unbelievers are susceptible to fearmongering – it works every time –

watch out for the black limos you libs – the scary men from Washington with the dark glasses are coming to a home near you

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOwwww

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

I believe the first link to the myspace photos shows the picture of Levi and Sadie.

If anyone has the enlarged version of it, please post it!

1 09 2008
Robin

You played and now you will pay.

Snarky, smarmy, self righteous.

Think about all of the insulting things you have said about AK, small towns, Wasilla in particular, working women, and unwed mothers. Especially unwed mothers – how many people do you know that have a similar situation in their family?

How well do you think any of that is going to go over with middle America? How about the Hilary folks who are still angry over the misogyny they were treated to BY THEIR OWN PARTY?

How dare you think you can insult all of those people, and think that people aren’t going to transfer that disgust to Obama?

Well, just stay tuned and watch Sarah’s stock go up – way up! People are galvanizing their support around her. Especially the church ladies. Go ahead, look at the conservative blogs already.

Get your umbrellas ready… a hard rain is gonna fall.

Backlash.

1 09 2008
AlaskaGuy

Fascinating stuff. It all seems circumstantial to me, from both sides, so I’m just reading along, when something just occurred to me, don’t presidential and vice-presidential candidates make their medical records known? (The whole I’m not going to drop dead any time soon defence.) Has anyone brought that up yet?

1 09 2008
Heidi

According to the website for the court posted above, Bristol will not be 18 until October. . .

1 09 2008
Bettina

Curious: Great link!! Did they vet this woman at all? If you look up Sarah, Todd and Track, too, they all have a court history!!! McCain needs to dump her now before things get much worse!!

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

Of course there is the classic Smirk that they all have – but what really gets me is the dead eyes. The pathway to the soul. Pubs have dead eyes. McCain / Bush / Cheney / Frist / Boehner / they have this hole in their soul that you see in their eyes – really strange stuff – i think it is the Koolaide along with the Oxycontin – just numb myself enough and i can lie along with this crowd – you know – safety in numbers – sheep dont think

Anyone else ever notice that ? – When i pointed it out to my therapist there McCainySupporterBoy – she agreed. What is that all about ?

1 09 2008
jamie


Mooseburger Lover (15:28:20) :
Done and done.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4227/myspacepdfgenerated2pagfv4.jpg

Intriguing, but the photo of Sarah the “inlaw” looks Photoshopped to me. The head does not match the body and why is it in black and white when the others are in color. Could it be that whoever did the Photoshopping couldn’t get the colors to match so converted it to black and white where the photo altering would be easier to detect?

1 09 2008
peter jackson

Sue et. al.,

You guys are some serious creeps. Get help.

1 09 2008
jamie

I should add I would like nothing more than to remove the Sarah Palin from the national political scene. However, I’m not sure if the MySpace photos are it.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

Jamie, I saved the page as a PDF and then converted to a JPG. There is no doctoring of the photo, unless Sadie did it herself. Good try though.

1 09 2008
curliesue

Mooseburger Lover – I have the Jpeg file of Levi with Sadie on his back…is that what you want? Where do you want it?

1 09 2008
test

Well, although I haven’t seen any acknowledgment of creating palingate08.com, nevertheless please send any and all files you may have to admin@palingate08.com and I shall post them to the site anyway.

Thanks to all those who are doing great work in archiving these files. I suppose I’m a day late and a dollar short (well, $8 for the domain), but a bit of redundancy doesn’t hurt, either.

dan

1 09 2008
Bettina

CNN is replaying the best interview ever right now! McCain’s people are screwed!

1 09 2008
test

My apologies… http://www.palingate08.com.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

curliesue, it would be wonderful if you could upload it to http://www.imageshack.us

Also, here is a higher quality version of the images I previously posted. The conversion from pdf->jpg caused some compression problems, so I took a screenshot of the pdf instead and saved that.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lover

curliesue, it would be wonderful if you could upload it to http://www.imageshack.us

Thanks!

Also, here is the higher quality version of what I posted before. I think imageshack compressed the really big file too much, but this should be clearer. http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2331/myspacejpgscreenshotrm5.jpg

1 09 2008
emrysa

Think about all of the insulting things you have said about AK, small towns, Wasilla in particular, working women, and unwed mothers. Especially unwed mothers – how many people do you know that have a similar situation in their family?

oh good grief.

sure some thing shave been said about alaska (and other states, too – did ya miss that?), but no one has said anything derogatory about working women. and don’t try to connect a pregnant 17-year-old daughter of a abstinance-only-preaching-right-winger to the general statement of “unwed mothers” that’s total bs.

I asked this earlier of someone else, but apparently it applies again – do you have reading comprehension problems? or are you just trying to muddy the waters?

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lovah

Hmm, for some reason, my two attempts at posting aren’t showing up. Oh well.

curliesue, if you could upload your pictures to http://www.imageshack.us, it’d be super helpful! Thanks so much!

Here is a screenshot of the PDF I generated:

I think uploading the converted pdf on Imageshack caused some compression since it was a really big file, so hopefully this looks better.

Dan, I’ve also e-mailed you with the pictures I have. Thanks for the site!

1 09 2008
Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol is pregnant!!!! (again?) - Page 13 - Gossip Rocks Forum

[...] going to require a tremendous amount of time and attention. From his mother. This is okay?" In the Land of Palin. Mudflats I think this story ^ is worse than the cover up [...]

1 09 2008
emrysa

There is no doctoring of the photo, unless Sadie did it herself.

when I saw the page earlier (on myspace, before she took it down) I also noticed the different color of the photo. I thought it was odd but I don’t think it’s anything sinister. I don’t think it means much.

1 09 2008
Intrigued

Bravo for a job well done! This paleocon appreciates your hard work and deductive reasoning.

At this point I am thinking that Trig is Levi and Bristol’s child and that Bristol possibly had a previous pregnancy, with C-Ray being the dad of that child. ?

Please note that the MySpace profiles have been set to private so the photos (especially of Levi) are not visible.

At any rate, THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL. All we can do is hope and pray that the lamestream media will pick up the story. If McCain is the “chosen one” that will never happen.

BOTHPARTIESSUCK!!

1 09 2008
curliesue

Mooseburger Lover –

[URL=http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brotherlevibm8.jpg][IMG]http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8714/brotherlevibm8.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Does that work for you?

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lovah

The coloring of the photo is something called the “sepia” effect. Plenty of cameras have it as a built in option-I know mine does. She could’ve done it in Photoshop as well, if she knows how to do it. I somehow get the feeling that she’s not exactly a brain surgeon… correct me if you disagree here :)

1 09 2008
curliesue

Mooseburger Lover –

“http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brotherlevibm8.jpg”

Does that work?

1 09 2008
John Doe

McCain Supporter,

On the off chance that you’re not particularly net-savvy, get used to the snarky use of these initials:

IOKIYAR

Which stands for “It’s o.k. if you’re a Republican”.

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lovah

curliesue: Looks great! Wow, that’s a lot better than what I had. That’s definitely the enlarged version of the thumbnail I had on the full album page. I’m guessing that’s Levi by the caption?

1 09 2008
BJ

Test- I will support your site. Kudos.

Bettina-missed the interview. What was it?

McCain (“suppprter”) – you can not fool us smart Democrats with your Road runner antics. If your family value corrolation is based on actors than you have a real problem. I do not give a damn about actors etc. So I do not comment on them. They are not policy makers. They have NO influence on the Supreme Court. Palin is different. Your thinking is insightful. This is the GOP thinking that your camp wants us to believe. If it’s okay for Jamie Lynn, it’s okay for the United States as a whole? I will not adopt those values no matter how much you try to shove it down our throats.

Good job McCain (“supporter”), your tokens are on FOX right now reiterating your first statement about no info almost verbatim. They are now comparing bloggers to Nazi’s. Hmmmm….

1 09 2008
Mrs. S.

Sarah is clearly wearing a wedding band on her left finger in a photo on ABC news’ website. It doesn’t look like an engagement ring. It looks like a band.

1 09 2008
Mrs. S.

Bristol, not Sarah.

1 09 2008
curliesue

Mooseburger Lover – I can only assume. Her caption read something like “My Brother and Best Friend” and then one of her friends left a comment about having not seen Levi in so long even though she talks about him constantly…I am not quoting exactly here…and then if you search Levi Wallner on MySpace his private page profile comes up and it looks just like him on there as well.

1 09 2008
BJ

BIGGER ISSUES-

Why are the GOPs now blaming this whole thing on “hateful bloggers”? WHERE IS SUE?!?!?!?

1 09 2008
Mrs. S.

Just some thoughts to track down: was there a baby shower? are there places up there to register for baby gifts — like Target, Walmart, BabiesRUs? diaper services?

A woman at 8 months at her age and with a Down’s child, would be having ultrasounds down just about every other week after 30 weeks — in the lower 48. There would be lots of monitoring by perinatologists. Is there a place up there that would do that and if so, are there people in the same office buildings who would have seen her?

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lovah

curliesue: Wow, thanks. I didn’t realize that. I only spent a minimal amount of time on the website. My IQ was dropping at a rate of 10 points/minute just looking at the debauchery ;) Good to know!

1 09 2008
moose

You guys are great. But don’t give anything away. Sell what you have. McCains rove machine will destroy it all. Sell what you have to people who will print this

1 09 2008
emrysa

Why are the GOPs now blaming this whole thing on “hateful bloggers”?

because anytime their crap is exposed they have to blame someone. in their f-ed up minds, people are WRONG for wanting the truth – people should just settle for lies they are fed.

1 09 2008
John Doe

McCains rove machine will destroy it all. Sell what you have to people who will print this

And be exceedingly careful with what you upload and how you upload it. Expect mischief. Remember, we’re talking about people who seek to control trillions of dollars and the most powerful mechanisms (of all kinds) in this world, enough motive to justify almost anything.

1 09 2008
BJ

Poor SUE…

1 09 2008
FifthGenerationLeftist

ABC news is now reporting that Sarah and Todd were members of a group that wanted Alaska to secede from the US! No one vetted this crazy woman at all!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

1 09 2008
BJ

Test- saw the site.

This guy clearly keeps company with a quality crowd.

1 09 2008
Mrs. S.

1 09 2008
AlaskaGuy

Well dan’s site seems to be cleared already.

1 09 2008
Bettina

BJ – CNN’s Campbell Brown totally took McCain staffer Tucker Rounds to task over Palin. He looked like a deer in headlights and sounded like he didn’t know what he was talking about at all. He could not name a single thing Palin has done as governor/head of the Alaska National Guard. It was hilarious. I will try to find it on YouTube.

1 09 2008
test

In collaboration with Kyle (the original palingate08@gmail.com from earlier today), we have agreed that a “private” wiki, editable only by responsible contributors to this page, would be the best route.

Soon palingate08.com and bristolsbaby.com (thanks Kyle!) will point to the wiki.

If you wish to be able to edit this wiki, upload files, etc (as Kyle and I do not have the time to tackle this alone), please send an email to admin@palingate08.com.

Everything should be up and running soon! This can be our chance to get a clear depiction of events out to a wide audience…

1 09 2008
jamie

The coloring of the photo is something called the “sepia” effect. Plenty of cameras have it as a built in option-I know mine does. She could’ve done it in Photoshop as well, if she knows how to do it. I somehow get the feeling that she’s not exactly a brain surgeon… correct me if you disagree here
Mooseburger, I understand the difference between sepia tone and b/w. I referred to it as black and white because many other people might not. But it’s the same thing in this context. Why would that effect be applied to only that photo? and not to others in the MySpace gallery? The head placement looks Photoshopped to me and applying the sepia tone effect is a good way to obscure the color variations between the image of Sarah’s head and the other image of the girl holding the baby.

As I mentioned before, I would like nothing more than to see Sarah Palin’s web of lies exposed, but this photo looks shady (no pun intended).

1 09 2008
Bettina

Try this link for the interview!!

1 09 2008
contrariman

Well I picked my Veep dream girl
I picked my Veep dream girl
But she didn’t tell me
Her record was bad
So now instead of living in a pleasant White House
I’m living in the basement at my Cindy’s pad
Now I can’t get a vote
For a respectable post
Just because my Veep defaulted
On her credentials card
If I’d only gone to FreeVettingOfVeep.com
I’d be a happy Prez, with a dog and a yard

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lovah

Wow, I can’t believe that’s under question. You’re saying someone (other than Sadie herself) applied the filter to cover up some messy Photoshopping of the Governor’s head on another body? Are you kidding me? Assuming that she’s in the McCain camp, why would the McCain camp do that to themselves? I’ve been in graphic design for 7 years and I can tell you that the filter is something that you can switch on/off very easily on digital cameras. It doesn’t HAVE to be through Photoshop. If you looked through her other galleries, there were other silly filters applied too. Look at ANY teenage girl’s MySpace and you’ll see all sorts of silly effects (blurring, other color filters, etc.)

1 09 2008
JohnnyBoy

You peeps have done a great job. Been here since Saturday – dont give up now – in three days you made it to Bill OReilly / Andrea Mitchell / Campbell Brown – these folks are still not letting on about the depth of this – David Gergen looked really scared – lots of folks who will get to the truth are on their way to Alaska or are already there –

The backlash from the Pub spin machine has started –

Bet that $50 that Palin will withdraw her name by the end of the week

1 09 2008
Mooseburger Lovah

Thanks for the video link, Bettina! It was hilarious. That was a very valid question.

1 09 2008
jamie

I’m saying maybe some bored kid in Alaska did it just to have fun. Maybe not, but this is just too obvious.

I agree that the whole story has not been told, but finding it on some kid’s MySpace page? How stupid are these hicks from Alaska? Maybe I shouldn’t ask.

BTW, I’ve been in the graphic design business three times as long as you, FWIW, so let’s not have a pissing contest about it, OK?

1 09 2008
Intrigued

Dropped this link in a couple of “interesting” places… One BIG site. Who knows; maybe they will link to it!

1 09 2008