Stevens and Begich – The Counting Continues.

14 11 2008

Another day of counting has begun. What started on election day as a 3200 vote lead for convicTed Stevens, swung to an 814 vote lead for Democratic challenger Mark Begich on Monday when a huge stack of absentee and early ballots were counted.

Today is round two. Here’s what will be counted today.

About 510 questioned ballots from Southeast, the Peninsula and Southwest Alaska

About 5,180 absentee and questioned ballots from Mat-Su

Questioned, absentee ballots from Richardson Highway and the Interior

About 3,600 absentee and questioned ballots from Western and Northwest Alaska, and North Slope

To Be Counted on Monday

Leftover absentee ballots from Richardson Highway and the Interior

To Be Counted on Tuesday

About 15,700 questioned and absentee ballots from Anchorage

About 8,300 absentee ballots from Southeast, Kenai Peninsula and Southwest Alaska

Begich made a big push for his supporters to vote early. Also, Republicans believe Stevens got a boost when he returned to Alaska from his trial less than a week before the election and began rallying supporters. People who voted earlier would not have been part of that lift.

Stevens’ supporters think he can come back as more absentee votes cast following his homecoming are counted. Still, the fact that the votes are coming from Begich majority districts leave the Democrats’ supporters quietly optimistic.

Yes, one can only imagine how many of those who were on the fence decided to align themselves with the convicted felon after his inspirational, and victorious homecoming from the trial.

An image from the inspirational Welcome Home Ted rally.

An image from the inspirational Welcome Home Ted rally.

On Monday, the Division of Elections released one batch of numbers during the day, and the final tally at about 8:30pm. It’s anyone’s guess how they’ll release the information today. Stay tuned.

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14 11 2008
Scott Palin

Got my fingers crossed!

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

#1, yippie!

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

#2 is alright too… Hiya Muddies

14 11 2008
sdf

Nothin’ so far, thought maybe since they gave specific times of day on their website for specific groups of ballots, they might give updates after each chunk.

14 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

Ted clearly snagged the poets’ vote.

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

For crying out loud, what on earth could take these folks so long? They must have Droopy Dog up there counting.

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

Action Items for the Rest of the Year:

1) Impeach Palin
2) Impeach GW Bush
3) Impeach Cheney
4) Impeach Ted Stevens (ok, so the Senate needs to kick him out even if he is a lame duck)
5) Read “James and the Giant Impeach”

Action Items for Next Year:

All of the above, simply replace the word “Impeach” with the phrase “Prosecute, Convict, Sentence, and Incarcerate””

14 11 2008
SMR

This one’s a nail-biter, that’s for sure.

@Chief, I left a message for you on one of the late threads yesterday, typed us this long thing, and by the time I finished you had signed off for the night. FIgures.

14 11 2008
whichferret

just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. nice to see Missouri is not the only one that can’t count that high :-)

14 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

I’m keeping hopes for clear minds and accurate counts as this excruciating process continues!

Please, oh please, please let those who voted early have cast their votes for Mark!

14 11 2008
bellyqueen

Other so-tight races: The U.S. Senate race in MN and now in Georgia. Anyone interested in women’s reproductive rights, please take note:

Yesterday Georgia’s Secretary of State announced the runoff election on December 2 between vehemently anti-choice Sen. Saxby Chambliss and pro-choice challenger Jim Martin.

14 11 2008
whichferret

Yahoo has a headline about a woman who woke up with a mysterious accent…is that what happened to Palin? only hers seems to come and go.

14 11 2008
nswfm CA

Who is that kook, taunting the Feds? Maybe not such a good idea….

14 11 2008
nswfm CA

I think that story was on the news too, but that woman had a traumatic brain injury.

14 11 2008
nswfm CA

Palin maybe fell off that bridge to nowhere….maybe she did have a head injury….?

14 11 2008
sauer kraut

BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin (12:23:19) :

Action Items for the Rest of the Year:

1) Impeach Palin
2) Impeach GW Bush
3) Impeach Cheney
4) Impeach Ted Stevens (ok, so the Senate needs to kick him out even if he is a lame duck)
5) Read “James and the Giant Impeach”

6) endorse someone other than Palin for President… in her yard, was was done here: http://ahmnodtheare.wordpress.com is it just me or does it look like Todd had a bladder control problem?

14 11 2008
mudslide pike

Looking like 57 Dems 1 Independent 39 Repugs and
1 Connecticut for LIE BER MAN
Toss up in Georgia if you as an Incumbent can’t pull 50 percent you are in trouble.

With Olypia Snow and Susan Collins being moderates the Dems should have no problem fighting off a filibuster. So as far as Ol’ Joe he needs to represent his party of ONE. I think that Caucusing would go rather quickly for a Party of ONE hey Joe?

14 11 2008
Scott

Ha ! ‘inspirational homecoming’ :) juxtaposed with that photo akm got of the jacket saying ‘f-the feds, vote for ted’ I love that.
I can’t imagine the mindset that would vote against Begich in that contest.

14 11 2008
Democrat G (formerly G)

Ayers Breaks Silence on Obama AOL / Wire Services
posted: 3 HOURS 29 MINUTES AGOcomments: 2531filed under: Barack Obama, Political News, The Obama PresidencyPrintShareText SizeAAACHICAGO (Nov. 13) – Vietnam-era radical Bill Ayers says he knows President-elect Barack Obama no better than thousands of other people in Chicago.
In an interview Friday morning on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Ayers distanced himself from Obama. Ayers said — for example — the two didn’t even meet before Ayers hosted an event at his home for Obama.

Ayers said the relationship was based on things like improving schools in their Chicago neighborhood — not on Ayers’ political views.
In the new release of his 2001 memoir ‘Fugitive Days,’ an afterword refers to the two as “neighbors and family friends.”
“I would say, really, that we knew each other in a professional way on the same level of, say, thousands of other people,” he told ABC, saying that Republican attacks against him, such as labeling him a terrorist, were a “dishonest narrative… to demonize me.”
Ayers was a prominent member of the Vietnam-era radical group, the Weather Underground, that bombed the Capitol, the Pentagon and the New York City Police Department. He and his wife were arrested, then spent a decade on the lam, according to the Chicago Sun-Times..
“It’s not terrorism because it doesn’t target people, to kill or injure,” Ayers said on the morning news show.
Their federal case was eventually dropped due to improper surveillance, the Sun-Times noted. He is now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
“This idea that we need to know more, like there’s some dark, hidden secret, some secret link,” Ayers told ABC. “It’s a myth thrown up by people who want to exploit the politics of fear.”

14 11 2008
GJ in ID

I sure would like to sent Begich another donation, but my SS check doesn’t come until later this month. I hope he is getting lots of help with this late counting process. Thanks AKM for keeping us informed.

If I were a nail biter my finger nails would be all gone. I gave up smoking when Obama won the election, figured if he could stop smoking to run for Pres, I could stop if he won, so now I just suck on a straw when I get too that point…the point where I want chew nails, beat on something… you know that kind of thing.

14 11 2008
D

Many witnessed Marion Barry’s bust on television, thousands of D.C.ers voted him back into the Mayor’s office after he served his time. After that lovely experience, I lowered my opinion of my fellow man. To say I am surprised about his tight race would be a lie.

14 11 2008
UK Lady

BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

So much work for this post, only to go last on previous thread, hope you don’t mind Clamp Noodle, but am reposting for you. Thought it was brilliantly done, thank you.

BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin (10:29:03) :

Forty Watt (09:16:05) :

@ megacephalus (07:42:32) :

if one choses to participate in the military for whatever reason, it is a CHOICE and I see no reason why we should join the whining.

For many it’s not much of a choice. If you watched the coverage of soldiers killed in Iraq, when the media still covered such things, many families talked about the lack of employment opportunities in their communities together with the lack of money to attend college. Joining the military may not have been the only choice out of few, and none of them good, but in terms of getting an education it often was the best one.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

@Forty Watt and Megacephalus

You simply cannot blame the individual US troops or call them whiners. Unacceptable! Less than half are lifetime or career military personnel.

For those who are not career soldiers, it certainly wasn’t the choice they thought it was, if it even there was some element of choice somewhere in the chain of events that led each to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Don’t forget that this is a historic deployment of the US National Guard Reserves in both its scale and the fact that it is an active war on foreign soil.

The Bush Administration’s deployment of the Guard was their underhanded way of avoiding a formal Military Conscription Draft which would have been immensely unpopular, opposed by Congress, and challenged in the Supreme Court. It is the dirtiest of dirty deeds performed by GW and Cheney.

Instead of going through proper legal checks and balances that would have stopped the illegal war from escalating, they pulled another creative and legally questionable manipulation of the Executive Powers granted the President in time of war by calling up the National Guard.

A lot of our soldiers thought they were signing up for local community service deployments or at worst a clean up in the aftermath of natural disasters such as Katrina. The traditional role of the National Guard is to be on call during times of DOMESTIC emergency. Bush sent our week-end warriors into battle, and unlike 19-year-olds who didn’t want to fight in Vietnam they couldn’t just burn their draft cards or run away to Canada – most had families and established lives that were now being held ransom by their own government. Most responded bravely and dutifully to the call, and honorable soldiers in a dishonorable war they became.

Many of the troops who enlisted in the Army/Marines (not the Guard) during the early phases of the war were told 6 months and its done, the main action will be complete -sign now and the war will be finished by the time you get out of boot camp and you might be put on patrol in an occupied yet pacified Baghdad.

So remember we haven’t just sent the young into the line of fire this time, we have sent a large number of fathers of established families and those families are completely disrupted now regardless of whether those fathers come back, come back injured, or make the ultimate sacrifice in service to the US people. It’s not a matter of “if” their lives and families are being destroyed, it is a matter to what degree and it is compounded by the cascading effect of the trauma passed on to their families buth up and down the line of inheritance.

Their wives and children are struggling, facing poverty in many cases, because their husbands dutifully wanted to contribute to their local state National Guard and its care for the comunity in times of need. Their parents are deprived of the adult sons and daughters who they depend upon to support them in their retirement years. Despite the cost to their families, most of these “suddenly soldiers” are so proud to serve their country they will not complain unless seriously wronged, so it is not WHINING. To call our brave troops WHINERS is a comment that offends me to the core.

What a shock to sign up to serve your community, sometimes for as much as 15 years or more, and then be told you are going to Iraq, then again be told you are going back again and again, and by the way, when you return your job is gone, your medical bills are not covered and you are still on call for another term of service if you aren’t too badly damaged from your previous three or four deployments. And your spouse and kids? No clothes, no food, no parenting support, poor medical support , and the US government line of BS — “you’re on your own, soldier, buck up and tell the wife and kids its part of the privilege of serving in the US Armed Forces!”

The biggest epic fail of Bush/Cheney and the Repugs was not the economy, we will work through these problems given time. It is the irresponsible warmongering that is most vile. Our economic disaster is but a symptom of the criminal acts perpetrated by the Bush Administration. Our honorable military, whether career soldiers or not, have been treacherously abused and used as cogs in an illegal and irrational war machine. We now reap what we have sown.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals and should be tried in court for the crimes they have perpetrated against the people of Iraq – and even more so for the crimes they have perpetrated against their own fellow US citizens here at home. They have waged war AGAINST – not on behalf of – We, the American People. Treason, I say, TREASON!!!! JUSTICE, I CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE!!!!!!!!

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Having read all of the comments on the last thread and reading AKM’s report on the botched Palin press conference at the Republican Governors Conference yesterday. Having watched it live and several times on tape. I have come to the following conclusion folks;

November 13th, 2008
Sarah Palin has “jumped the shark”

It’s true, yesterday’s -cry wolf- (Palin announces her first news conference), have all the media show-up… (in numbers unseen even during the campaign).
I am certain the repugs yanked her speech moments before she approached the microphone, and said to her “this is a conference of Republican Governors, Not the time or the place for your “Pro-Palin, look at me, I am going to save the world from the anti-christ speech!” at that point she may have even said, “Well then I just won’t speak at all” that is when the repugs said “like hell you won’t” and forced her to the mike with no speech. This is why I believe AKM and others have said.. “The whole thing is just painful.”

Yesterday people, mark your calendar, she jumped it fro sure.

Everyone is hurting for money, the media, even small town newspapers that sent their best reports to that news conference, got snubbed by Sarah Palin and the Republican Governors. The media will all certainly not fall for the Cry Wolf move from SP again.

She is history now in the 48, just sayin.

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

crap spam filter… ugh

SMR, I’ll get it…brb

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

whoopsie spoke too soon, nice spam filter.

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ UK Lady (12:45:01)

Calling troops whiners offends me to the core too. I certainly said no such thing.

I simply made a point that some had little choice.

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Well, hello again. Since I am waiting up for son to come home from a party; I have been granted a bit of night computer time. Just finished watching the film of the 2000 Florida recount, Katherine Harris (damn her soul), James Baker and the whole dang crew. It was painful and embarassing to watch! Something like that makes one ashamed to be American! But the whole time I was watching this disaster that put GWB in office, I kept thinking “My Lord, it is really almost over!” and boy that felt delicious!

14 11 2008
mhrt oregon

i was very offended when the national guard was called out ..it was certainly never what they were never meant for….or what they were trained for………very bad

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I, too, think that Bush and Cheney should be made to pay somehow (from a legal point of view) for starting the Iraq War (which Kofi Annan declared, in his opinion, to have been illegal), breaking the law numerous times (wiretapping, torture) and for sending all of those people, especially National Guardsmen – of whom he was one in order to evade the Vietnam War – to war and death. It was always a wonder why GWB was never impeached or held responsible for anything!

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Sorry Forty Watt, didn’t suggest for a minute you did. Was just re-posting Big Slicks comments on present leadership. Didn’t mean to re-post her reply to you and Mega. My bad.

14 11 2008
ds55

HuffPo article says Obama won one of Nebraska’s electoral votes, the first time a state has split their electoral votes. And Missouri is still counting. Brilliant!

14 11 2008
Anne

Another day of counting has begun
Why does it take them SO LONG?

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@ Anne (13:10:40) :

Another day of counting has begun
Why does it take them SO LONG?

Dimpled chads?

14 11 2008
InJuneau

Totally OT, but does anyone remember how far back and on which thread the fabulous sounding sweet potato pecan pie recipe was posted? I forgot to copy it, and I’m determined to make one for Thanksgiving in honor of our President Elect Barack Obama. Thanks, in advance, to anyone who can send me in the right direction or repost it for me… ;)

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Well, I start my days now with AKM, Chief Shikago, Aussie Blue Sky, mhrt oregon, Democrat G, BigSlick, SMR and others, and now I end my day with you as well. I’m off to sleep as you guys pick up the thread and I wish you all a great day!

14 11 2008
nswfm CA

I read somewhere–might have been HuffPo Begich on Maddow show that they need to fly in the ballots from the outer reaches and sometimes the weather doesn’t cooperate.

Here in CA, the weather is often an issue, like right now in the Santa Barbara/Montecito area. Keep your fingers crossed that the predicted winds don’t show up. It was very bad there last night. I’m about 20 min down the coast. Right now, beautiful and calm, but after 30+ years of living here, I know the dry winds are a disaster waiting to happen.

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Tired Mom (VA) (23:00:58) :

Obama Sweet Potato Pecan Pie:

1 unbaked pie crust
2 cups mashed sweet potato (I nuke fresh ones, peel and run through food processor)
small can evaporated milk
2 beaten eggs
1/2 cup white sugar
1/3 cup light brown sugar
1/2 tsp salt
1-2 Tbsp black strap molasses
mix the above well, we like it spicy, so I usually use some grated fresh ginger (about 1/2 tsp) also use a dash of nutmeg, cinnamon, allspice and cloves (about 1/4 tsp each) it tastes good without all the spices too, so it’s up to you.
stir in 1/2 cup finely chopped pecans (slicing is easier if they are chopped very fine)
fill into unbaked pie shell, gently place 5 pecan halves in center to form a star and more halves around the edges (you can skip this, but it makes a prettier pie if included)
bake in preheated 350 degree oven for about an hour (toothpick in the middle test)
Let cool and enjoy …. we like it to set overnight in fridge, some in the family prefer it still a little warm, either way is good.

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Tomorrow I will post the recipe for MY sweet potato pie, a recipe from Harlem!

Nite all!

14 11 2008
mhrt oregon

jamie

good night…..i know about you but since the election I have been sleeping about 12 hours a night….hopfully soon I will be caught up

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

mhrt oregon
;-)

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@Jamie, Floridian in France (13:18:31) :

Tired Mom (VA) (23:00:58) :

YOU and TIRED MOM ROCK!! Thank you! And I look forward to seeing your tomorrow. Sleep well.

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

SMR (12:23:28) :
I found it. Your words mean everything to me at this point. Aaron’s birthday yesterday is certainly a better day for me then the anniversary of his passing. On his bday I try to remember details of his birth and all of the joy he gave me during his 8 years. I am and always will be so proud of him, having written 3 books, 2 of which won, Chicago Young Author awards. And when he no longer could play with toys, he announced, “I am going to play with words, and write a joke book for children”, which he did. He also had reached his 1st level black belt in Tae Kwon Do. And became friends with many astronauts like Commander Jim Lovell, Gemini 7, 12 and Apollo 13. He loved space so and believed he would become the first man to reach Mar’s, I know he did. I was building an actual simulator for him when he became sick. Aaron was laid to rest in a full NASA jumpsuit. Well, SMR, as you can see, when it comes to my best friend, I will never be at a loss for words. I thank you again, for the wonderful tribute you left me I have it saved for the difficult days ahead.

14 11 2008
InJuneau

Oops, “yours”… maybe I need to go to sleep…

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ UK Lady (13:07:21) :

Sorry Forty Watt…..

No worries. We Scots are really good at self-righteous rage. 8)

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Night Jamie, job well done overnight…

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

8) is meant to be saying, we’re cool! Whoever it was who gave me the link to the smiley site may live to regret it. Too much fun. :D

14 11 2008
InspectorT

Another day of counting??? Amazing.

I live in Sarasota County in Florida. I was a poll watcher for the DEMS on election day. In the county there were 208,623 votes cast; in the state of Alaska there were 281,986 votes cast.

In Sarasota, the vote count (regular, early, absentee, provisional) was completed the evening of November 7. That’s a week ago.

For about 35% more votes cast, Alaska still has days of counting to go.

And I thought Florida was bad. Is Brenda the Moose doing the counting?

AMAZING

14 11 2008
Ahmnodt Heare

I don’t think it was Todd who left the message. I could be wrong, though. I appreciate the endorsement either way.

14 11 2008
BeeJay

Fairly off-topic here:

For whichferret @ 12:28

I saw that story locally; she lives about 60 miles away from here. It’s called “Foreign Accent Syndrome” and is quite rare. Medically it’s explained thusly: it is not an accent, but a speech impediment that our brains interpret as a foreign accent as we listen to it.

She was involved in a serious motorcycle accident over 20 years ago, and this FAS resulted from a chiropractors’ treatment for her neck quite recently. One afternoon she had an adjustment done, went home and woke up the next day with the syndrome, in fact she had severe trouble even talking.

The Seattle Times had a good article on her, and they had an audio clip of her speaking in her “German” accent, which did vary in strength as she spoke. I personally thought it sounded Danish, not German (Ich sprache kleine Deutsche), and what became apparent while listening was that she had definitely had a brain injury (poor vocabulary recollection, long pauses, and so on). I really felt sorry for her, as she was having terrible problems with we would think is ordinary speech patterns.

END OT.

GO Begich! We’re pulling for you!

BeeJay, in the northwest corner of the northwesternmost state of the lower 48…

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Just caught up and watched the video from previous thread… What in the name of flying F**ks was that?! What is she on?! Was Gov Perry actually wiping sweat off his face at about 3 minutes in?! Was he in pain?! What is a ‘pundint’?! Could the guy on the right have stood any further away from her?! Is the ‘straight’ still doing her hair?! Why?! Why did Perry drag her back to the mike?! Did he want her to embarrass herself more?!

Aaargghhh!!

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@InspectorT (13:24:20) :

Just so you know–remoteness of villages, ballots have to come in by plane, it’s November so the weather may make flying impossible for days, absentee ballots mailed by Election Day could arrive by today if mailed from with in the USA, they can arrive till next Weds. if they were mailed from overseas, the need to double check to make sure no one who early or absentee voted voted again on Election Day, living in a State the size of 1/5 of the Lower 48… You have any & all of those issues? Thought not, just give us a bit more time; we’ll get there, we promise! ;)

14 11 2008
mhrt oregon

I will say it again..I am very proud of all the people of alaska..I thank you have all done a great job…and I hope obama visits you soon………

14 11 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

Didn’t I hear on Rachel Maddow last night or was it the night before, that Alaska will not be done with counting the votes until next week?

14 11 2008
sauer kraut

UK Lady… perhaps you can help us out with respect to interpreting what Palin said at the news conference. Do you have any friends who might have friends who might know Harry Pottah? I’ve heard that he, too, speaks in parceltoungue – tho not as frequently as Sarah Palin.

14 11 2008
jackie

Who’s doing the counting..a bunch of 3rd graders?..gee.how long does it take?…yeah, i know it’s a lot of votes..but im dying here folks..

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@Let’sGetReal for “That One” (13:33:57) :

Yup, if you read AKM/s original post up there, the counting schedule is shown.

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@jackie (13:35:12) :

Please see my post 4 above yours for some of the reasons we’re not as fast as the rest of you…

14 11 2008
anonymous

MSNBC just now. Stevens is done.

14 11 2008
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14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Forty Watt (13:24:09) :

is meant to be saying, we’re cool! Whoever it was who gave me the link to the smiley site may live to regret it. Too much fun.

———–
This is worth reposting, it’s all Zims fault…
———–
Zim in Oz (03:34:30) :

LOL…Jamie…I am Zimbabwean, computer idiot and still VERY impressed with the telephone and will never understand the radio, let alone TV. LOL

Tonight I did some playing…and found this. I feel liberated
{http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies}

14 11 2008
Miemaw from Texas

Thanks to whomever for the Sweet Potato Pie Recipe.

I like that much better than pumpkin.

And, when you can combine it with Pecans, that’s the best of both worlds.

We are big on Pecan Pie, here.

Thanks, it will taste good on Thanksgiving day.

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@Forty Watt (12:59:44) :

@ UK Lady (12:45:01)

Calling troops whiners offends me to the core too. I certainly said no such thing.

I simply made a point that some had little choice.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Megacephaelus made the offensive comment, which I hope he will correct.

Our soldiers deserve or respect, praise, support, and deepest compassion. Regardless of their choice to enlist, they did not choose to wage illegal war.

Our country deserves the same.

It is the War Pigs — liars, crooks, and thieves of the Bush Administration who deserve a special form of contempt reserved for those who commit treason.

I grew up during Vietnam, watched my older brothers and their friends ship out and get killed or come back in pieces. The war stopped just a few months before I was eligible for the draft.

We seem to have forgotten the hard lesson learned post-Vietnam that our troops were not to blame for that illegal war either. What the Bush/Cheney bastards have done is far worse than Vietnam….and now it is my children’s lives they want to take. I won’t take let them. I won’t be silent anymore. I WILL fight back.

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Did it work? :!:

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Sauer kraut

Actually, I have it on very good authority that Silly Sarah doesn’t speak in Parceltoungue – It is Jedispeak, as confirmed by this link to the UK Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5129155.ece

Hope this clears things up for you.

14 11 2008
SC Sista M Cluckhead

I heard on the radio, day before yesterday, that the Alaska recount won’t officially be finished until the 19th as that is the last date for out-of-country votes to be received. I believe they said that domestic votes had to be turned in by Wednesday of this week?
Something like that.
I’m going to try that Sweet Potato Pie, also.
And go to that smilie site and see if I can learn something!

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Sorry all, just goofin off again. :evil: I’ll be back later…

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@UK Lady

Just an FYI — BigSlick is a big old hairy Alpha Male with paternal instincts that crossover to the maternal at times as well.

Best to both you and Forty Watt.

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ Shikago aka Chief Shikago (13:43:28) :

This is worth reposting, it’s all Zims fault…
———–
It was Zim, of course, from Zimbabwe–which makes sense to my addled brain. However, I have to tell a story against myself. For weeks, I never made the connection between Shikago and Chicago. Honestly, I thought you were Japanese! And I have the gall to call Sarah Palin stupid. :oops:

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Bigslick – WOW! my fave type. Tell the missus she is a lucky girl.

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@SC Sista M Cluckhead (13:50:21) :

Absentee ballots mailed by 4 Nov. from within the States can arrive by today and be counted; ones mailed by 4 Nov. from overseas have till 19 Nov. The “official” date by which the election is supposed to be certified is 25 Nov., but I heard the director say this morning that it might not happen till 1 Dec., then a recount could be mandatory (if with 1/2% difference) or could be requested.

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ UK Lady (13:48:24

I read that a couple of days ago. I thought it was hysterical. I’ve told everyone who will stand still about it.

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Forty Watt – Waaah waah wah, I wanna blushy smiley, ow you do dat?

14 11 2008
SC Sista M Cluckhead

:P

14 11 2008
SMR

@Chief —

Sounds like a wonderful father raised a wonderful child. The great thing about having children (well, one of the great things) is that they give so much love, requiring only love in return, and the memories & love are there no matter what/where/how. Legacy.

So, where can I get the books?

14 11 2008
SMR

we could get a lot of use out of this one when discussing Bible Spice

14 11 2008
SMR

Didn’t work! Must go back to instruction page!

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

Hey inJuneau – thanks for asking for that pie recipe and thanks Jamie for the super fast response with Tired Mom’s recipe. I have copied it. (I just came back from buying readymade pie crusts for Thanksgiving InJuneau – my bad. I’m having my daughter make them from your recipe for Christmas! promise)

14 11 2008
nocalgal

:oops: nice to see some new emoticons!

14 11 2008
SMR

is this how you do it

14 11 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

With regard to the Marine that was killed on Wednesday. He was Irish and presumably had joined the British Army. I don’t know why he joined, but as a baby I held him in my arms numerous times and watched over him while his parents had a night out and met friends. I was about 15 or 16 when I did this. I remember how much his mother loved to read – she reminds me of myself. I’d much prefer to read a book than to sweep the floor.
Carmel and Tony, My prayers are with you!

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

UK Lady (13:54:41) :

Bigslick – WOW! my fave type. Tell the missus she is a lucky girl.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I tell her often and she laughs hysterically every time.

14 11 2008
SMR

ARGH!!!! :roll:

14 11 2008
SMR

Yay, I did it! So, again, this one can get lots of use when discussing Bible Spice :roll:

14 11 2008
Sparky

BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin (14:07:24) :

UK Lady (13:54:41) :

Bigslick – WOW! my fave type. Tell the missus she is a lucky girl.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I tell her often and she laughs hysterically every time.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

geeesh…all this time I’ve been reading “BigStick”
now what does that all mean????

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@Bec -Yes We Did – in Illinois (14:05:22) :

You’re welcome (and another big thanks to Jamie). Hey, use the crust recipe or not (or have your daughter use it or not); I’m not insulted if it doesn’t get used. I figure I’ll be making 3 pies for Thanksgiving, two for eating that day and an extra apple one just for breakfast the day after!

14 11 2008
Sparky

where’s that blushing emoticon

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Shikago, Forty Watt, SMR – How? How? Please, pretty please?

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ UK Lady (13:56:58) :

Forty Watt – Waaah waah wah, I wanna blushy smiley, ow you do dat?
_______________________________

You have made my day! I’m actually going to tell someone how to do something techy. (I’m so clueless I don’t even know if that’s the right word.)

I’ve always been green with envy when other folks put all these different wee things in their posts. :mrgreen:

What you do is a colon followed by oops followed by another colon. Go to the link Shikago gave above and find lots of other stuff. It’ll make you roll your eyes. :roll:

14 11 2008
Sparky

Irishgirl aka puck mule (14:06:49) :
With regard to the Marine that was killed on Wednesday. He was Irish and presumably had joined the British Army. I don’t know why he joined, but as a baby I held him in my arms numerous times…

I’m very sorry for the loss of this young man…

14 11 2008
Ada

Thank you so much, AKMuckraker–been meaning to thank you since the election for your utterly amazing contribution. I learned most things I know about Palin through this site!

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Sparky (14:13:01) :

I think it means you have a very smutty mind – admirable!

14 11 2008
austintx

Injuneau – Keep up the good job !! The logistics alone are daunting. As long as it gets done right…take your sweet time !! Now – while picking up 2 teenagers from school I was listening to the radio and heard the Stones “Under My Thumb” which then segued into Steve Millers “Take The Money and Run” Well it got me to thinkin’…….we have been justifiably kickin’ Sarahs ass!! But we need to show some love to Levi & Bristol….guys…if you are still together…….get while the gettin’ is good….think of the baby(s)……..get an agent……tell your story……Oprah will welcome you with open arms…….break the cycle!!……..get off the Wasilla hamster wheel !!! DO IT !! You had but a small taste during the campaign………YOU CAN DO IT !!!

14 11 2008
Sparky

:-D

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

InJuneau – I think we are all going to become better pie lovers because of Obama! I’ve always been a cake and cookie lover – but my o my – the pies do sound good. Key Lime is probably my fav.

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Son is not home yet so just peaking in :

@Bec -Yes We Did – in Illinois (14:05:22) :

Hey inJuneau – thanks for asking for that pie recipe and thanks Jamie for the super fast response with Tired Mom’s recipe. I have copied it. (I just came back from buying readymade pie crusts for Thanksgiving InJuneau – my bad. I’m having my daughter make them from your recipe for Christmas! promise)

Whoa, Bec! Nasty thing buying ready-mades! I am, as my friend once described me, a compulsive baker. Tomorrow I will post my wonderful and very easy Sweet Pie Crust recipe along with my pumpkin pie recipe (I have pumpkin in the fridge screaming out to be turned into pie!) I’ll even add my simple and best apple pie recipe, both Thanksgiving musts!

Shikago, I was thinking of you all day yesterday. Had a bad thing happen, but knowing what you had been through and were reliving made me see things a bit clearer. Till tomorrow

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

One of the most exciting things about Obama’s win is living in the Chicago area and seeing all the attention our great city is getting. I hope we can host a “tourist version” of Mudflats here some day so the rest of you can see this great place. I’m sure Chief and the rest would be game.

If you know Chicago at all or are just curious – here is a great link to the Trib’s “Obama’s Chicago” that was featured in Thursday’s paper. It shares some of his favorite dining spots and food. (AOL reports – he doesn’t like beets, though!)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/chi-obama-chicago-htmlpage,0,7487472.htmlpage

14 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Sparky!!!

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Forty Watt now problem, glad you got the Chicago connection.

Go here for smileys! :cool: http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies :cool:

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

Yeah Jamie – I told InJuneau the pie crust thing skipped a generation here. Actually two. My grandmother used to come for a visit and stock our deep freeze with pie crusts for my mom to use.

Lucky you – that French cooking ethic is wearing well on you.

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Thanks Jamie, and everyone!

14 11 2008
InJuneau

The secret family pie crust recipe is still available upon request… PM me at the Forum or somehow get me your e-mail address…

14 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

((((((shikago aka chief shikago))))))

14 11 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

Thanks Sparky.
I’m going to shut up about it now. But it was close to home and am feeling a bit low.
On another note, phnxrising is due in Dublin tomorrow. There could be another mudpuppy international meeting!

14 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

and ((((((irishgirl)))))))

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Gosh durn it, I will never be able to do anything remotely techie :cry:

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

I think there is a call for a Mudflats Recipe Book. We have ended up being from all over the country and the world – it would be a fantastic collection. I’d be glad to help put it together. We could set up an email where they could be sent, and then it could be created in a pdf.

14 11 2008
Bethsy in the Midwest

GET OUT–you guys post PIE recipes? I thought this was a great site but had no idea. I am thrilled.

The Palin “press conference” was one for the ages. As the saying goes “Deep down, she’s shallow.”

14 11 2008
UK Lady

How in the name of */”!did that happen?

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

STS-126 Endeavour go for launch 1:21 minutes. (5 minutes before KO comes on…) 7:55pm Eastern

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

14 11 2008
SMR

So, what’s everyone thinking about the Hillary pick for Secretary of State?

14 11 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

Back at you fawnskin.

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

The biggest epic fail of Bush/Cheney and the Repugs was not the economy, we will work through these problems given time.

It is the irresponsible warmongering that is most vile. Our economic disaster is but a symptom of the criminal acts perpetrated by the Bush Administration.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals and should be tried in court for the crimes they have perpetrated against the people of Iraq – and even more so for the crimes they have perpetrated against their own fellow US citizens here at home.

They have waged war AGAINST – not on behalf of – We, the American People. Treason, I say, TREASON!!!! JUSTICE, I CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE!!!!!!!!

These War Pigs — the liars, crooks, thieves, the MURDERERS of the Bush Administration who deserve a special form of contempt reserved for those who commit treason. Those same murderers censor the press and filter what we are able to see – but the rest of the world sees it very clearly.

Please watch the whole 7 minutes of this video. This is a very light version of the reality of the war in Iraq.

I grew up during Vietnam, watched my older brothers and their friends ship out and get killed or come back in pieces. The war stopped just a few months before I was eligible for the draft.

We seem to have forgotten the hard lesson learned post-Vietnam that our troops were not to blame for that illegal war either. What the Bush/Cheney bastards have done is far worse than Vietnam….and now it is my children’s lives they want to take. I won’t take it. I won’t let them. I won’t be silent anymore. I WILL fight back. I will NOT forget.

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Hiya fawnskin hussein mudpuppy!!!

14 11 2008
austintx

or she swims at the shallow end of the gene pool……

14 11 2008
pvazwindy

Let’sGetReal for “That One” (13:33:57) :

Didn’t I hear on Rachel Maddow last night or was it the night before, that Alaska will not be done with counting the votes until next week?

____________________________________________________________ your answer is in the thread-did you not read it?

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@Bethsy in the Midwest (14:34:06) :

Oh yeah, and cookie recipes too (gotta go back through the threads and find that one…). I’d post the crust recipe here, but it might out my identity… Plus, the explanatory notes make it like a novel!

And Bec, in spite of Jaime’s reprimand, I’m not going to get on your case for store-bought crusts, not that I’D ever go that route! ;)

14 11 2008
lettersfromeurope

http://www.bushcommission.org/

Hi and goodnight, thought the above link might be of interest for all wanting to see justice done. I heard about this for the first time 2-3 years ago through a Not-In-Our-Name mail.

Tata

14 11 2008
califpat

I, too, will be cooking the sweet potato pie for Thanksgiving. Sounds extremely delicious. It will be a wonderful surprise for my family. Thanks for the recipe Jamie.

14 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

UK Lady (13:48:24) :
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Oh I really DO love the reporters in the UK! They certainly have a way with words—and interpreting those of others :mrgreen:

14 11 2008
UK Lady

SMR

Massive debate going on over at Daily Kos about the Hillary thing. The consensus of opinion seems to be that the so called leak originated from the Clinton camp via George Stephanopolous and Lady Snotty de Rothschild (she embarrasses us brits), simply to spike Richardson and Kerry who they HATE.

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

Sparky (14:13:01) :

BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin (14:07:24) :

UK Lady (13:54:41) :

Bigslick – WOW! my fave type. Tell the missus she is a lucky girl.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I tell her often and she laughs hysterically every time.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

geeesh…all this time I’ve been reading “BigStick”
now what does that all mean????

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

@Sparky

My wife says you have the gift of second sight…..clairvoyance.

14 11 2008
InspectorT

InJuneau says – “Just so you know–remoteness of villages, ballots have to come in by plane, it’s November so the weather may make flying impossible for days, . . etc”

OK. I’ll grant you the distances and snow and stuff. :oops:

But for Sarasota County, you have to understand that most of the people doing the counting are blue-haired little old ladies who call me “sonny” – and I an 65!!!! :d

By the way, those counters are the same people whose heads you can’t see when driving in the car behind them, while they drive in the left lane, at 5 mph under the speed limit, with thier left-turn blinkers on, for 3 miles before they actually make the turn. We 65-year-old youngsters call them FOPs – that’s “Friggin’ Old People” :lol: :lol:

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin (13:44:20) :
@ UK Lady (12:45:01).

Megacephaelus made the offensive comment, which I hope he will correct.
_____________________________
I have been swithering about bringing this up again, but I think I need to say it.

I elected not to take on megacephaelus in regards to his remark about the troops having made a choice and therefore not having a right to whine. My sense was that I wouldn’t change his mind and there was little point working myself into an emotional state that might well degenerate into an argument.

That said, now there is some distance between the original post and your responses, I want you to know I am very grateful you both wrote
as you did. It had to be said and you said it very well.

@ Irishgirl aka puck mule (14:06:49)
I am so sorry. My thoughts to you and to the parents of the Marine. May they find peace in time.

My stepmother was engaged to a pilot in the Royal Airforce during WWII who was shot down and never recovered. Recently, I cleaned out her house because she had to go into a nursing home. She had kept a fascinating and extensive diary of the war years–pages and pages.

One page had only one sentence written on it: “Tim didn’t come home tonight.”

For me, all the courage of everyone involved in war, and of course this is a particularly senseless one, is summed up in that one sentence.

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

Concerning our soldiers – and veterans. I know that Michelle Obama is going to take on this cause. I really feel that is where my support and donations need to start going. Our country has not been doing its part for the returning soldiers – medically and with other assistance.

Can anyone suggest the best organizations to support with donations at this time? I’m going to look locally, but just wondering. Last year I gave to the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund for the hospital they built in Texas and apparently will now build one in Bethesda, Maryland. I think this is one important effort. Wondering what else.

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout) (14:41:48) :

They do don’t they. And this was our most serious newspaper, I didn’t read the rags but I dread to think what they said :roll:

14 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Irishgirl aka puck mule (14:06:49) :
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We mourn the loss of each of them. Our sadness is deepened when we knew them.
Heartfelt sympathies to you and to his family….

14 11 2008
Bethsy in the Midwest

anyone willing to give me an idea where the cookies might be? I don’t have time to scroll through everything.

As for the possibility of HRC as Sec of State, I think it’s terrific in all respects. She’d do a great job, she’s completely qualified, and it would show again what a great president we elected.

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@InspectorT (14:44:22) :

Oh, I call them LOLs and LOMs (little old ladies and little old men). I can see why yours might take a while to get counted. Do you still hand count? Ours have to be fed through machines (little fill in the bubble ballots!), so they just have to have people sitting around feeding machines… I think the video link in this story link might show the process: http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=9348396

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@Bethsy in the Midwest (14:49:24) :

It was posted DAYS, if not weeks ago. I’ll go search around in the mudflats and see if I can find them. If not, I’m sure someone else had enough sense to copy them the first time they appeared and will repost.

14 11 2008
SMR

Cookies & Pies! Cannot remember which of the past zillion threads it would be in. Can we just create a topic in the Forum to store all of that tasty info?

Not that I care if it’s posted on these threads, but it would be nice to have it all in a central location for easy reference, particularly since TGiving is coming up and some of us will be doing a lot of baking…

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

I agree about HIllary. If she is willing to leave the senate, I say she is the top choice. She was just in Chicago to talk with Obama (I’m sure about this.) She wouldn’t have come if they weren’t serious. We need absolutely every ounce of help we can get in restoring the USA’s reputation in the world. She would bring so much to that.

They will have to figure out what to do with Bill and his international work – so it doesn’t interfere. But the plusses are too good to ignore.

I’m sure they’ll find something else for Richardson and Kerry.

14 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Bethsy in the Midwest
————————————
Many weeks ago, someone gave me the way to search the blog on google, but I can’t find it. It’s something like mudflats.wordpress then enter your search term.

Maybe a wordpress page can explain it?

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@ Irishgirl aka puck mule (14:06:49)

Heartfelt sympathies to you and the young soldier’s family.

14 11 2008
SMR

I’ve never been a big Hillary fan, so am not as enthused about the pick. Is she really truly the most qualified for that post?

It feels to me like it’s a bone he’s throwing to her, some sort of consolation prize, AND to keep her busy, AND to keep her from stonewalling & subterfuge & sabotage.

Isn’t there a Health position that she could take instead?

This is clearly a great position to prep her for a presidential run, but it just seems like it’s an appointment being made solely to appease Hillary fans.

And are we REALLY sure that she is the best fit for international relations? I’ve never considered tact & diplomacy to be her strong points.

14 11 2008
Windy City, aka Alien Ears

@Shiikago aka Chief Shikago

I am sad to hear about your son. He sounds like such an alive person. His passion for life can inspire us all and you gave him the space to experience that passion. Thank you.

Have been watching for you so I could respond to your response to a comment I made regarding conversations about the Palin children. I want you to know that in your response I heard your deep commitment to parenting and fatherhood. I really, really got that and that watching what their children must live with is painful. I also totally get that how they parent is important and says so much about them, so much strangeness that is concerning for anyone who cares for children. My concern was just to be aware of a fine line between the gravity of dealing with those issues and something not as productive. I am new to posting on blogs so I am sorry if I offended anyone–very much not my intention.

I think I know a little bit about the journey of divorced Dads as I have witnessed the pain of that journey first hand. I know someone who would have given his children every opportunity to discover themselves and nurture their talents and passions. Instead, they went to their mother who thinks that it is ok that all they want to do is watch TV and play computer games. Music lessons? Museums? Art classes? Not necessary. I am guessing that you know the pain of watching a child grow unnurtured in these ways. On that note, I am hoping that the Obama family will help people to recognize the value of Fathers who I think are very undervalued in our society. Look at all the movies and ads that are so derogatory towards Fathers and men in general.

I hope these words land well for you and I, too, would like to know where to see your books.

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

I just created a thread in the Forum – so start contributing your recipes! Can’t wait to see them all.

http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,3693.0.html

14 11 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

@Forty Watt,
Thank you. I didn’t care for Mega’s post. Not alot of humanity there.

14 11 2008
Political Amazon

[[[Thanks to whomever for the Sweet Potato Pie Recipe.

I like that much better than pumpkin.

And, when you can combine it with Pecans, that’s the best of both worlds.

We are big on Pecan Pie, here.

Thanks, it will taste good on Thanksgiving day.]]]]

——-

Nola’s in New Orleans makes a sweet potato praline pie with boubon sauce. It’s the best dessert I’ve ever had. When we are in NO, thats where we have dessert. It’s a really cool restaurant, too. It’s probably on the same order as a sweet potato pecan pie. I’ve never been able to duplicate the bourbon sauce, however.

14 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

SMR – I heard so good discussion on MSNBC earlier today on what Hillary could bring to it. I do trust Obama to make the right decision. We’ll see. I’m sure there will be much more discussion before it is decided.

I don’t particularly see it as prepping her for a future presidential run. I personally don’t see her ever achieving that position.

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Forty Watt (14:46:52) :

That was probably a wise decision to not take on Megacephalus. From the posts I have read the man is an intellectual titan (not that you are not).

He quotes from books I would rather chew my own arm off and eat than read.

He is from Germany I believe, and we are all products of our birthplace, time and upbringing. We can only escape from this by reading and learning from others. For massively helping us all understand each other I thank the internet.

I would think, and I am really not trying to push anybody’s particular buttons (Mega), that the idea of ‘just following orders’ would be a ‘button’ issue.

Please don’t be mad with me.

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ Bec -Yes We Did – in Illinois (14:47:25) :

Concerning our soldiers…..
____________________________

I think the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund is a good choice.

So much needs to be done for the incredible numbers of amputees. This is not only due to roadside bombs. The other problem is the horrible infections. The strains of bacteria that are being seen are unknown here and there are no antibiotics that work successfully. This means many amputations are performed because of rampant infection.

http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/

14 11 2008
Political Amazon

[[[I’ve never been a big Hillary fan, so am not as enthused about the pick. Is she really truly the most qualified for that post?…]]]

I am disappointed in that possible pick, too. After what the Clintons pulled in the primary, I simply don’t trust them. She still has her eye on 2012, and I think she will seize any opportunity to undercut Obama in 2012 so that Hillary can have another chance.

Why the Sec. of State? So she can give even MORE of America’s jobs to her financial supporters in India? So she and Bill can profit even more from the companies they invest in that deal with outsourcing American jobs to India?

You know that “Hillary Clinton – Punjab” remark that Obama got blasted for? HILLARY made that comment when she was in india speaking before her business cohorts and financial supporter. SHE’s the one who basically told them that the real state she was representing was not New York, but Punjab, India.

And then there’s Bill…who will most certainly bring the taint of his ongoing woanizing to defile the Obama White House.

I try not to second guess Obama because he has his own vision and he seems to have been very good at achieving it to date.

But this is a very unwise choice.

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

Hillary for Secretary of State – I’m on board.

I nominate Bill Clinton for any of these:

a) Special Ambassador to Combat Genocide in African Nations
b) Special Economic Advisor to the POTUS
c) Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare

Let Hill multi-task and give Bill a little more focus.

14 11 2008
SMR

I say Secretary of Health for Hillary and Secretary of State for Bill if he can do that as former Pres.

14 11 2008
InJuneau

@UK Lady (15:06:39) :

Forty Watt (14:46:52) :

That was probably a wise decision to not take on Megacephalus. From the posts I have read the man is an intellectual titan (not that you are not).

Actually, I believe megacephalus is an American who has transplanted himself to Germany…

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ UK Lady (15:06:39)

Megacephalus is actually American, an architect, a linguist, a curmudgeon, who has had a sterling education (all his own words). Thus, as to being an intellectual titan, I feel confident he will agree with you.

14 11 2008
SMR

Bec in Illinois rocks! Yes you did! Yum Recipes! :grin:

14 11 2008
UK Lady

For all who are interested, a very good article (and the comments are well worth reading), this gives as good an idea of what is really going on as you’d get anywhere I think

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/14/101142/61/202/660858

This is all about the Hillary for SOS rumours.

14 11 2008
InJuneau

I FOUND IT! (in the Ted Stevens AWOL Juror Lied! Fled Trial to Watch Horse Race! thread from 3 November 2008) Thank you to Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout) (14:57:39) : for clues on how to search on Google (use the Advanced Search feature…)

Bobg (10:52:44) :

Someone on the other thread asked for the cookie recipe I posted but I can’t find their post. Here is the recipe.

I keep seeing references to cookies today (Damn, we are confident. Isn’t it wonderful?) here is a recipe for you. These are Hungarian Honey Cookies.

My grandparents came to this country from Austria-Hungary in 1908. This is a recipe that my grandmother brought with her. This is my favorite cookie. These cookies are keep extremely well (they contain no shortening) and are great for mailing to servicemen and women.

4 cups of flour
1 1/2 cups of sugar
1 teaspoon of baking soda
1 teaspoon of cinnamon
5 egg yolks
1 egg white (set additional egg whites aside)
1/4 teaspoon of ground cloves
1/2 teaspoon of ground allspice
1 cup of honey, warmed

Sift dry ingredients on a board or in a bowl. Add eggs and enough honey to make a medium stiff dough. roll out to about 1/8 inch thick. Cut into 2-inch rounds (I use a juice glass.) Brush with slightly beaten egg whites. Dip in a mixture sugar, cinnamon and finely chopped nuts. Place on a greased, lightly floured cookie sheet. Bake approximately 10 minutes or until lightly brown, at 350 degrees.

For colorful Holiday cookies you can use a cinnamon-sugar mix colored by a couple of drops of food coloring.

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@ Political Amazon (15:08:52) :

[[[I’ve never been a big Hillary fan, so am not as enthused about the pick. Is she really truly the most qualified for that post?…]]]

I am disappointed in that possible pick, too. After what the Clintons pulled in the primary, I simply don’t trust them. She still has her eye on 2012, and I think she will seize any opportunity to undercut Obama in 2012 so that Hillary can have another chance.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I respectfully disagree. I share much of your sentiments but come to a completely different conclusion. I believe Hillary is less likely to make a run in 2012 if she has something to focus herself on that also preps her for a run in 2016, and the Foregign Police experience gaines as Sec. of State is second to none.

She’s done the Senator thing, so this would be a logical step towards POTUS in the longer term. An upside is that it puts her where President Obama would be able to keep tabs on her much better and not face her in head-on battles.

Hillary is going to be a force to reckon with regardless, and better that Obama decides the terms of engagement for himself. With her in the Senate, she has more opportunity to pick her own battles with him. I see this as Obama taking control of the relationship.

Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer still….

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Windy City, aka Alien Ears (15:01:22) :
Thanks so much. Spouse & I lost both of our children. I am lucky to have a daughter from when I was very young, a first marriage. She lives in MD.

But I was the type of father who worked full time for my kids, after I worked 8 hours at work. I loved the job! My son never played video games. He played outside!!! With me. Every winter I built a 7 foot tall platform complete with stairs and handrails from the platform was a 16 foot long sled ramp, into a 50 foot yard run. Lighted from the porch, it was perfect. This was something my father had done for me every winter too. So I designed and created a new one. Was dismanteled and stored each spring. I wish I could get that job again.

The Palin’s do not know the meaning of parenting. They suck.

Thanks again Windy City.

14 11 2008
InJuneau

Bobg (if you’re around), may we post the cookie recipe on the new Forum recipe thread?

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

correction:

“Foregign Police experience gaines as Sec. of State ….

Should be

“Foreign Policy experience gained as Sec. of State….”

Freudian slip? Maybe….

14 11 2008
SMR

@forty watt —

you’re funny. UK Lady is correct in that his posts are intimidating, but he’s really just a big mean blowhard. If he ever pushed one of my hot buttons I’d get down in the trenches & duke it out with him, but fortunately for all of us he doesn’t stop by or comment often enough.

He probably patrols/lurks on lots of blogs/sites and every once in a while drops a big smelly post to see what sort of response he can get. He’s essentially an ugly troll who is a stickler for proper grammar & spelling. We should all make a vow to starve him at this site unless he can state his positions in a respectful manner.

I do not believe that we all must agree 100% of the time (I brought up Hillary knowing that I would disagree with most, but wanted to hear other opinions), but we have to be respectful while doing it!

14 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

New posts—-2 of them!

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Injuneau and Forty Watt

Just shows what I know! Not very much :oops:

I really thought he was from Germany, and a child of the 2nd world war. I’m an idiot.

People who read and quote from (to me impeneterable books) always impress me. Obviously not as much as they impress themselves.

I stand, yet again corrected.

14 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Oh about Aaron’s “A Book of Jokes”, still trying to get that one published without having to pay all the publishing fees myself. Any thoughts would be welcome.

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ UK Lady (15:06:39) :

That was probably a wise decision to not take on Megacephalus. From the posts I have read the man is an intellectual titan (not that you are not).
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I’m forty watt remember: i.e. not the brightest bulb on the porch. :)

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

UK Lady (15:23:55)

Yeah! You did a blushy face!

14 11 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

@SMR
I do find his posts intimidating. And I have a PH.D. I’m a scaredy cat.

14 11 2008
Zim in Oz

@ Shikago aka Chief Shikago (13:43:28) :
>>This is worth reposting, it’s all Zims fault…Zim in Oz (03:34:30) :
{http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies} >>

Morning all from Melbourne Australia,

Hey Shikago I bow and take the blame ! :oops:
Thanks for those youtube links the other day…just lovely.

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On a personal note.
Please accept a big hug from across the sea from me and my family to you and your family for Aaron.

14 11 2008
InJuneau

NEW THREADS, NEW THREADS (yes, plural!).

14 11 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

Forty Watt,
I love your posts. Don’t denigrate yourself.

14 11 2008
lettersfromeurope

@Shikago – publishing fees? I am making a book with my Dad and intend to self-publish. As I am in Germany maybe other rules apply. I have the impression that the only fee I have to pay is IF, IF I want an ISBN, which is not very expensive. Other than that? The cost of printing – but even here you can look into the books on demand option. Any bookfairs near you where you can approach Publishers?

14 11 2008
Sparky

BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin (15:23:04) :

BigSlick…my honest apologies if I got your name incorrect in the past on the Flats. I would say more, but you know how when you start babbling and it just makes things worse? That would be me. So, I’ll go hide in a dark room somewhere…ugh.

NEW THREADS MUDDIES X 2!!!

14 11 2008
antiAnti

Intellectual titan? And I thought those were just all Dead White Men.

14 11 2008
Windy City, aka Alien Ears

Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Thank YOU. Your story brought tears to my eyes. I know someone who lost a young daughter with his second wife (has children from previous marriage) who told me that being a parent was his favorite role in life. My heart goes out to you and your spouse.

Wouldn’t it be great if good parenting is modeled by the Obama’s.

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@Forty Watt (15:15:37) :

@ UK Lady (15:06:39)

Megacephalus is actually American, an architect, a linguist, a curmudgeon, who has had a sterling education (all his own words). Thus, as to being an intellectual titan, I feel confident he will agree with you.

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I am an American high school drop out who loves his country…….
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who later put himself through 8 years of University………
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…..and speaks several languages, and has lived abroad half my life so I also see the defects on the face of Lady Liberty, and I have had quite an accomplished career….
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……..and most of all has a wonderful family who I cherish above all else.

I consider it a duty and a privilege to engage Megacephaelus in spirited debate.

I look forward to his intelligent response.

14 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@Irishgirl aka puck mule (15:31:11) :

Forty Watt,
I love your posts. Don’t denigrate yourself.
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I agree with above!

14 11 2008
UK Lady

Big Slick

Are you still here? Kudos.

I reiterate my earlier comment about your lucky wife, and very much look forward to a spirited debate between you and Megacephalus.

You get my vote.

14 11 2008
Forty Watt

BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin (15:51:30) :

@Irishgirl aka puck mule (15:31:11) :

Forty Watt,
I love your posts. Don’t denigrate yourself.
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I agree with above!
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Thanks guys, but the truth is once I called myself forty watt you just know I was eventually going to make that (very small) joke!

Don’t worry. My cephalus is plenty mega!

14 11 2008
teri

Hi to all!

Well thats good to see Begich is gaining more votes.

Shikago, aka Chief Chicago, I would love to find one of your books.

Im not sure if this link will help you out. http://www.worldwidefreelance.com/writing-grants.htm

I will be writing books on my culture so the links I have pertain to art and culture. But I think this might help.

Also, my heart goes out to you!

I heard a saying once, anyone can be a father, but it takes someone special to be a “dad”.

I was actually close to my parents and it is good to see the commitment you have. :)

14 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

Please don’t freeze out megacephalus. I really enjoy the curmudgeonly side of him. He’s definitely not PC and I appreciate that. I think he is bitter about some things, but the fact that he repeatedly comes here where there is so much light and joy and engages with us in discussion tells me that he wants to be part of this, too.

14 11 2008
264 Crayons

Shikago aka Chief Shikago (15:24:30) :

Oh about Aaron’s “A Book of Jokes”, still trying to get that one published without having to pay all the publishing fees myself. Any thoughts would be welcome.

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Have you looked at http://www.lulu.com? I’ve often thought about it for a children’s book. I’m sure you’d have a lot of interests from your wide world of blogger friends. It’s kind of like Cafepress.

I think of everyone on here you pop up most on my radar. I have two young children and can’t even imagine life without them. Thank you for sharing your story and I hope to see your son’s joke book soon. So would my son – he’s quite the prankster!

15 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

the problem child (a jerk, also) (17:06:38) :

Please don’t freeze out megacephalus. I really enjoy the curmudgeonly side of him. He’s definitely not PC and I appreciate that. I think he is bitter about some things, but the fact that he repeatedly comes here where there is so much light and joy and engages with us in discussion tells me that he wants to be part of this, too.

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I don’t plan on freezing him out. I’m turning up the heat…..he better get his game on.




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