State Employees Will Now Testify in Troopergate Probe.

5 10 2008

The story goes that if you put a frog in a pot, and turn up the heat slowly enough, the frog will not realize it’s being cooked until it’s too late.  But if you turn up the heat suddenly, it will spring to its senses and leap out of the pot, thus saving its life.  I give you, Alaska State Attorney General Talis Colberg.

Talis Colberg, the erstwhile Mat-Su Valley lawyer specializing in worker’s compensation claims, found himself hitched to Sarah Palin’s rising star.  When she was tapped to be McCain’s running mate, his reaction was “Wow. I work for her.”  >>>>HOCKEY BUZZER<<<<<  Actually, the Attorney General is supposed to be working for the people of Alaska.  To help our Governor and our AG remember this, a grass roots group spontaneously emerged, calling themselves Alaskans for Truth.

This group, organized a rally in part to demand the resignation of Talis Colberg for telling state employees that they didn’t need to comply with legislative subpoenas issued as part of the ethics investigation that has become known as “Troopergate.”  This smacked a little too much of Alberto Gonzales and Harriet Meiers for many Alaskans, and 2000 signatures were toted down to the Governor’s Anchorage office and presented to Palin spokesman Bill McAllister, (when Lt. Governor Sean Parnell chose to remain in the comfort and safety of his office).

The rally and the petition drop-off were covered quite well by our local news media, and thanks to this and the efforts of several determined and ticked-off bloggers, it got some national play as well.  Multiple complaints have been filed against Colberg to the Alaska Bar, and despite a lawsuit claiming the subpoenas are illegitimate, a judge’s ruling this week said, basically, “I don’t think so.”  An emergency appeal was filed with the Alaska Supreme Court which will be heard this coming Wednesday.

So there’s the set up for you.  Talis Colberg = frog.  Pot of water = Blissfully lounging in Palinworld and feeling all invincible.  Flame turned suddenly up to the highest setting = Alaskans for Truth + media + the law.

It seems as though the old adage has worked, because Colberg has suddenly launched himself out of the pot, and landed squarely on his soggy rump.  Seems like those seven state employees who were told by Colberg that showing up was optional, have had a change of heart.

All seven employees have decided, in light of Superior Court Judge Peter Michalski’s decision, to cooperate with the legislative investigation, according to a statement today from Colberg’s office.

“Despite my initial concerns about the subpoenas, we respect the court’s decision to defer to the Legislature,” Colberg said. “We are working with Senator Hollis French to arrange for the testimony of the seven state employee plaintiffs.”

How about that… Can a frog tuck its tail between its legs?

Meanwhile, Alaska First Dude Todd Palin is now back in Alaska.  He has agreed to testify to the other investigation into Troopergate by the State Personnel board.  Palin initiated this investigation of herself, claiming that the legitimate investigation which came about through unanimous, bipartisan approval had become “political” once she joined the McCain ticket.  Will the Supreme Court ruling have any affect on whether Todd has a change of heart and testifies to the Legislative Council?  And how much will this delay the report? Further developments are anyone’s guess.

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231 responses

5 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Keep the temp turned up!!!!!!

5 10 2008
marksmyword

And the plot thickens…

I can’t believe the AG would advise them that complying with the supeonas was optional. Good work Alaskans for Truth!

5 10 2008
Texdude

Seems to me this is a clear effort to delay the release of the report. Branchflower will be busy deposing these 7 and will be unable to write and release the report he intended to release this week. Sounds like more delay delay delay to me.

5 10 2008
Dreams in TX

Maybe the seven are watching the polls too…if McCain/Palin aren’t going to make it the Whitehouse…they don’t want to do time in the Big House!!!

5 10 2008
reveur1147 aka Crop Schooner Palin

R-r-r-ribbit !! wtg Alaskans for Truth !!

5 10 2008
Valhalla

You really have to wonder why First Dud is back in AK? If the other seven honor the subpoenas soon, doesn’t he have to speak up or really look bad? I think he wants to get his story out sooner than later. If he was going to wait wouldn’t he really want to wait until after the election? He’s got to try to soften the blow the report will generate next Friday.

5 10 2008
Brian aka Snooker Hinge Palin

I think Texdude is right. This is a last ditch effort to delay the report until after the election.

5 10 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

Karion, areyou over here now?

UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps (18:00:40) :

Karion – just found this, does it change anything?
Defense attorney Peter Maassen said the Legislature is free to conduct an investigation as it sees fit and the judge’s ruling confirmed the separation of power principles. By the time the Supreme Court makes a ruling, the investigation will have already been completed — all that will remain will be to make its findings public.

“There’s been no time in history that a court has suppressed the outcome of a legislative investigation,”

5 10 2008
shilo

I hope that after this election the State of Alaska impeaches this women and lets the rest of some of these dim-witted Palin lovers down here in the 48 look just as they are………..DIM_WITTED. I have lost all confidence in our country, anyone who would want Palin a heartbeat away is difinitely breathing in more than air.

5 10 2008
WhiteBeard

Delaying tactic … I can’t see it. People are being too conspiratorial, but I can understand, given everything that’s gone on. I’d guess the State 7 have sought council, and don’t want to worry about keeping the soap bar off the floor. It’s a pretty effective political argument to howl about fairness, and it’s good that our State Constitution mandates being equitable. There are some other provisions that limit shenanigans. However, fair doesn’t mean someone can’t benefit or suffer politically.

By the way the slowly warming frog being cooked is just popular myth. The frog jumps whether the temp increase is slow or fast. Some people though …..

5 10 2008
zumpie

Even if deposing all 7 witnesses were to delay the report past Oct. 10th, there’s still plenty of time to complete everything before NOv 4th. And since it’s fairly apparent this won’t reflect well on Gov. Avon Lady, the closer it is to Election Day, actually the WORSE it will be for her.

5 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

WhiteBeard (18:14:27) :

I’ve seen the video!!!!!

5 10 2008
PJ

Yes, but as Karion pointed out, it may take another vote of the Committee if the report is delayed…and would they vote to release the report so close to the election? At that point, they may decide to wait until after Nov. 4th.

This is not good news.

5 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

And to think, I used to watch television! Might as well tell DirectTV to come get their dish. I’m lovin’ watchin’ the temperature rise in the pot. Forgive me for dropping my ‘g’s.

5 10 2008
karion

UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps (18:09:09) :

I saw that and it is pretty damning. Actually, really damning. I suspect that the investigation veered over into the workers’ comp issue and they have enough there.

For those of you unfamiliar with the various twists and turns of Troopergate, among the issues was that Sarah and Todd interfered with Trooper Wooten’s receipt of workers’ comp benefits. Initially, they were granted, but then, after alleged interference by the governor and her First Dude, they were cut off. Wooten had to hire an attorney to get them back.

And while I am at it, it bears worth mentioning that Wooten, while apparently not my kind of guy, isn’t nearly the bad guy that he has been made out to be. You should read this article in its entirety. It explains the moose killing (done with Sarah’s dad) and the Tasering of the kid. Again, I don’t like Wooten, but he has been smeared.

My hunch is that Branchflower is going to work fast. Whether it’s fast enough….who can tell. And yes, Wooten is not a stellar figure in many respects, but has been made out to be far worse than he is, imho. And I agree with you too, that the worker’s comp issue is the smoking gun and the thing that might take her down. She’d like it to stay on the question of whether Wooten is a good or bad cop. Easier to spin. AKM

5 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

I suspect Branchflower has the majority of his report already written and has saved a few places here and there to insert important parts of the employee interviews.

zumpie – I agree. The closer to Nov 4, the less opportunity for the McCain campaign to spin the disgust of the voters.

5 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Check this out:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/road-to-270-alaska.html

Can Alaska be put back in play?

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

@PJ – I don’t think the report will have too much bearing on the election at this point. While I’d like it to be published on Friday, I’ll happily wait until November 6th.

5 10 2008
MinNJMoose Roadster

He’s here for a specific purpose (alleging I’m Alaskan.) And that is to 1. do what the campaign tells him to do which is 2. testify before that sham committee that his wife appointed, and 3. do what she says and what they say. But, hey, they pay for a lot, so why not? Disgusting, and so easy to see.

5 10 2008
karion

PJ (18:19:26) :

I think you and I have a similar take on this. Pure tactical delay, probably mired in procedure and politics. It will have an effect at home, after the election, but not on the national evaluation of her as a VP candidate. And by that point, having lost the ticket but seeing Palin as a rising star, the legislature won’t react the same way.

Which, oddly, kind of supports McCain’s argument that this is political. I guess it kind of is now, but this delay tactic is probably going to take it out of that realm. It will become a purely Alaskan issue.

5 10 2008
Reality Check

This is a thinly veiled delay tactic. Guaranteed.

5 10 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

Karion – thanks.

I believe that the workers comp part is going to be the undoing of at least Todd.

There was some very murky dealing going on.

Trooper Wootten has, in MHO been much maligned. He is obviously no saint, but christ! even a judge chastised SP and warned her that her behaviour amounted to child abuse.

5 10 2008
Peggno in SoCal aka Seagull Junker Palin

Yay! There is a God, and she loves Alaska, and America – boiled frog’s legs, not so much. ;-)

5 10 2008
Dee

Boy, I’ll tell you what…the GOP has now filed a fundraising complaint against the Obama campaign. These people will stop at nothing to deflect and delay from the topic at hand… namely that our country needs fresh new leadership and relief from the 8 years of crap we have had to endure. another delay and stall tactic.
On a better note, AKM, I loved the frog analogy…very clever.

5 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

karion (18:25:58) :

I became a political issue when Mc Shame chose her without propper vetting. I think all he saw was 80% approval & Fundamentalist!!!!

5 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA
5 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

It

5 10 2008
bill

Now that the Alaska 7 along with Mr. McFirst Dude, appear to be on the verge of testifying, do not be surprised in the grand scheme, of legislative testimony, their answers are one of the following: “I’m sorry senator, I just do not recall”, or “based on the advice of counsel and pursuant to my rights under the United States constitution, as well as, the constitution of the state of Alaska, I hereby reserve my right not to testify at this time.”

Let the legal games begin…

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

karion makes a very good point about the workers comp. That’s much more damning than the firing of Moneagan over Wooten. Remember Clinton was impeached about lying over Monica Lewinski, but that was never the basis of the investigation in the first place. You could argue that Palin had the right to fire Monegan for not firing Wooten, as he’s an at will employee, (although I understand there’s some debate over that), however, the workers comp thing is a whole different ball game, supported by sworn statements from at least two people.

5 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

I know y’all already know that but it’s just risen to the top of the pot on UPI.

5 10 2008
MinNJMoose Roadster

AlaskaGuy
I think that you are wrong. We here Outside want to know ‘exactly’ what this is about, especially when she’s throwing barbs around and liking the taste of the skin left. I can’t imagine why you think this is unimportant.

5 10 2008
Lara

@PJ: PJ (18:19:26) :it may take another vote of the Committee if the report is delayed

If I remember correclty, it was originally supposed to come out the end of October, but that was changed to mid-October to prevent a last-minute surprise – actually an accommodation to Palin (a reasonable one) and sign of non-partisanship.
But if the date has been moved up, it can be moved back again. Did they have a meeting and vote and moving up the date? I don’t remember hearing about that, but doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

5 10 2008
JC

Actually, the AG doesn’t work for “the people,” but, according to the Alaska Statutes:
Sec. 44.23.010. Attorney general.
The principal executive officer of the Department of Law is the attorney general.

Sec. 44.23.020. Duties; and powers; waiver of immunity.
(a) The attorney general is the legal advisor of the governor and other state officers.
(b) The attorney general shall
(1) defend the Constitution of the State of Alaska and the Constitution of the United States of America;
(2) bring, prosecute, and defend all necessary and proper actions in the name of the state for the collection of revenue;
(3) represent the state in all civil actions in which the state is a party;
(4) prosecute all cases involving violation of state law, and file informations and prosecute all offenses against the revenue laws and other state laws where there is no other provision for their prosecution;
(5) administer state legal services, including the furnishing of written legal opinions to the governor, the legislature, and all state officers and departments as the governor directs; and give legal advice on a law, proposed law, or proposed legislative measure upon request by the legislature or a member of the legislature;
(6) draft legal instruments for the state;
(7) make available a report to the legislature, through the governor, at each regular legislative session
(A) of the work and expenditures of the office; and
(B) on needed legislation or amendments to existing law;
(8) perform all other duties required by law or which usually pertain to the office of attorney general in a state; and
(9) prepare, publish, and revise as it becomes useful or necessary to do so an information pamphlet on landlord and tenant rights and the means of making complaints to appropriate public agencies concerning landlord and tenant rights; the contents of the pamphlet and any revision shall be approved by the Department of Law before publication.

Just thought you’d like to know…

5 10 2008
agorabum

Don’t let James fallows of the atlantic find out about your use of the frog “analogy.” It’s not true, and he is on a personal jihad to put an end to the use of the terms.

5 10 2008
Valhalla

If you think it is a conspiracy to delay the report, then you might also think all seven have been coached on what/how to testify – or how play dumb. But I’m guessing they’ve got their stories straight and can give them to Branchflower fast; I’m also guessing he already has the backup data to guide him. The only one that would take any time is Todd’s version which would be an innocently sweetened story that would take forever to verify.

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

@MinNJMoose Roadster

My apologies. I did not for one instant mean to infer it wasn’t important for the whole nation. And if you could show me where I said that it was unimportant I would be grateful.

5 10 2008
Brian aka Snooker Hinge Palin

karion @18:25

“having lost the ticket but seeing Palin as a rising star”

I don’t see the “rising star” part. Especially if McCain is crushed in this election. The national Republican Party is not going to turn to Sarah Palin in order to rise from the ashes.

In Alaska, I think she limps through the remainder of her term and then finds a new line of work (Fox News hostess, perhaps). And that’s only if she can avoid criminal charges arising out of this investigation.

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

I’m not forgetting that I read that Murlene Wilkes had decided to come clean.

That is one big fish. ;)

Do any of our legal sleuths have a list of of exactly what Branchflower already has?

Those who refused to testify (besides Palin) – are they small fry?

5 10 2008
Sharon/California

How about this scenario ………… Sneaky First Dude tries to take the fall for Snake-in-the-grass Sarah?

5 10 2008
PJ

My prediction: if the report doesn’t come out on October 10th, forget it. It won’t come out until after the election—if at all.

Colberg should be disbarred. He has dishonored the legal profession.

5 10 2008
ocliberal

I too don’t think that the results of this report will have much bearing on the election one way or another. The best one could hope for is that stymies Ms. Meglopalin’s chances within Alaska and on the National scene.

Contrary to some opinions being voiced about Sarah Palin I’m not so sure she is anyone’s first choice to become the new face of the Republican party. All she has really done is re-energize a sluggish base. Any true conservative could have done that. She is just too rightwing and too uneducated IMVHO to ever seriously become a legitimate frontrunner. She brought no new blood to the party and has in fact disenfranchised much of the moderate base.

The Republican party is in a huge mess right now. I don’t think they can hang the future on someone as sketchy as Palin.

I am on the side of not thinking this report should be rushed. I would prefer that all the i’s are dotted and the t’s are crossed so when it is released it leaves no doubt in anyone’s mind just how scary the ‘cute’ governor who likes to play fast and loose with her executive power really is.

We are in the midst of election fever right now. But I believe when the smoke clears more and more people will become aware of the outrages that make up this strange political animal named Sarah Palin. I believe she will be exposed and hopefully she won’t even be able to serve on a PTA board let alone hold an elected office again.

5 10 2008
Engine Nighthawk Palin

The report will be relaesed Friday. The Alsaka 7 had their chance and blew it. They will be an addendum to a small part of the conclusions, and they will still be subject to contempt for not appearing as ordered by the subpeona.

They will have to be prosecuted becuase they cannot be allowed to set the example of ignoring legislative subpeonas.

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

JC (18:33:05)
(4) prosecute all cases involving violation of state law, and file informations and prosecute all offenses against the revenue laws and other state laws where there is no other provision for their prosecution;
*********************************************************************************

Would this mean Ole’ Talis might actually prosecute SWWNBN on this matter, should it come to that, and possibly defend SWWNBN on the income tax issue?

Good Heavens!

I would hazard a guess that even if the report is delayed to mid or late October–originally was to be done by the end, if I remember—and the full body fails to release it in a timely fashion, the result will likely be “leaked”, doncha think?

5 10 2008
PJ

Engine, if the seven appear, the fact that they intially ignored the subpoenas(thanks to the advice of AG Colberg) is moot. They won’t be prosecuted. Todd Palin is another matter. He has not yet agreed to meet with Branchflower.

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

Something that just occured to me. Local elections are this Tuesday, so any legislator who might seek to quash the report will have his job secured for another 2 years, right? And that’s before he or she would have to make the decision. Damn, that sucks. On that basis I’d have to agree with PJ. :(

5 10 2008
MinNJMoose Roadster

Alaska Guy
You said that you don’t think that it will have too much bearing on the election. I believe that it will and that it will have great importance on this election. It matters politically and circumstationally(sp?) to this election and to future legal courses, for us as a Nation, and to you, as a State. I am not willing to wait until after the election to know if my vice president is guilty of abusing her power in Alaska.

5 10 2008
ocliberal

Here’s a thought. If the damaging evidence is the Workmen’s Comp abuses and since Branchflower already has the damaging sworn testimony from the Workmen Comp bureau owner (sorry I can’t remember her name), why doesn’t Branchflower dismiss the supoenas from the other 7 and just release the report as is.

If nothing else, that would throw the game right back in their faces and make them really nervous!

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

AlaskaGuy (18:46:32) :

Something that just occured to me. Local elections are this Tuesday, so any legislator who might seek to quash the report will have his job secured for another 2 years, right?
*********************************

You hold a separate election from the General election date? You learn something new every day!

Puts a bit of a burden to have to vote in October and again on November, doesn’t it?

5 10 2008
wired differently

I really like the idea of Sarah becoming a Fox Noise Hostess. She’d get to wear some cool clothes and have her hair done all the time and trade snark with the guys. You betcha! And with all those Inter-tubes and satellites that Russia has and also other stuff, she could do it from the comfort of her jail cell.

5 10 2008
asiangrrlMN

Man, my head is spinning with all this Troopergate info. What a debacle. I have read some of the more reasonable conservatives like Andrew Sullivan, and it’s a shame that the Republican Party has come to this.

I have been thinking of the ‘If you’re not for Palin, you’re not a feminist’ argument–otherwise known as the ‘Let’s put the Democrats on defensive’ argument. Here is my take: I am for a set of standards which feminism espouses. Equal opportunities for everyone, and the right for every woman to be all she can be. Now I sound like the army. However, that does not mean I support all women no matter what. i do not support women who go against the principles of feminism (especially those that twist said principle for their own benefits), just as I would not support men with the same views. That is the true definition of equality.

In the same manner, the Democratic Party stands for social justice, equality for all, pro-choice, and such. I am willing to discuss these standards with people, but that, to me, is what separates the Dems from the GOP. As i like to say, I am tolerant of all but intolerance. It’s not quite true, but close enough.

Alaskans, I am proud that you are a part of the USA. Keep up the good work in the effort to bring your governor home.

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

@ocliberal (18:50:20) :

Here’s a thought. If the damaging evidence is the Workmen’s Comp abuses and since Branchflower already has the damaging sworn testimony from the Workmen Comp bureau owner (sorry I can’t remember her name), why doesn’t Branchflower dismiss the supoenas from the other 7 and just release the report as is.

If nothing else, that would throw the game right back in their faces and make them really nervous!
______________________________

That’s what I was suggesting above. It’s possible that the testimony from the seven was required in light of Murlene Wilkes’ denials – and if she has come clean they may be unnecessary anyway.

5 10 2008
ocliberal

Was Sarah Palin going to vote for HIlary Clinton? I didn’t think so.
What a stupid, specious argument to say we should support Palin because she is a woman. Once again, I’m sure that speech was written for her by a man.
(A sexist, ignorant man.)

5 10 2008
MinNJMoose Roadster

Wow. Play as you go; it just sucks for the rest of us that we have this crappy person thinking that she’s golden. Take her back, please. You play with her and get all her winks. She is just untenable for the rest of us…truly just untenable.

5 10 2008
drchill

MSM TV (NYC NY USA) just spent a few -minutes- on trooper gate, the subpoenas, the state state employees.

The only thing missing was the workman’s comp issue, but besides that I was surprised by how timely and accurate it was…

Another loud noise coming from this slow motion train wreck.

5 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

asian grrrl… I am not a feminist. Does that make me a bad man? ;-)

as for the worker’s comp stuff… in most of the lower 48, interfering as the Palin’s have been accused is a criminal act subject to prosecution under insurance and public corruption statutes. any legal folks up in AK who can confirm whether AK law follows this same avenue?

And how about the insurance carrier. Is it in-state or is it an out-of-state carrier? Is the identity of the WC insurance carrier a public record in AK?

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

I could be mistaken about the Tuesday vote. I can’t even think what put that into my head. Maybe one of the ads for local mayor maybe. But we had a state vote a few weeks ago on a mining initiative, Proposition 4 if I remember correctly.

@MinNJ – it is very important, but it unless it’s a complete bombshell I still don’t think the outcome will have a bearing on the general election, any more than Palin painting Obama as a terrorist. Because as a matter of opinion I don’t think it will have a significant bearing on the national scene as much as the local one, I am willing to wait. You totally misunderstand my point of view if you think that I think it’s unimportant. That’s not what I was saying at all.

5 10 2008
PJ

From Bloomberg.com…

Still unclear if the report will come out on Oct. 10…..it seems like Branchflower wants to, but will they able to depose everyone in time??

“Seven Palin Aides Will Honor Subpoenas in ‘Troopergate’ Probe

By Tony Hopfinger

Oct. 5 (Bloomberg) — Seven aides of Governor Sarah Palin have agreed to cooperate with an investigation into her firing of the state police chief after unsuccessfully fighting subpoenas to testify in the probe.

The state employees said they will comply with subpoenas issued last month for their statements as part of an investigation by the Alaska Legislature, according to a statement today from the state attorney general’s office. The case became one of national importance after Republican presidential nominee John McCain picked Palin as his running mate.

Attorney General Talis Colberg, a Palin appointee, had asked a state judge to block the subpoenas, claiming the state Senate Judiciary Committee that issued them overstepped its bounds. The judge denied Colberg’s request Oct. 2, along with a motion by five state Republican lawmakers to halt the investigation.

“Despite my initial concerns about the subpoenas, we respect the court’s decision to defer to the Legislature,” Colberg said in the statement.

The Alaska Supreme Court will consider an appeal by the Republican lawmakers on Oct. 8. They claim the investigation has become tainted by politics and want it halted immediately.

On July 31, the Legislative Council, a bipartisan committee that conducts business when the Legislature isn’t in session, began the probe into Palin’s July 11 firing of Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The police chief said he was dismissed for refusing to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, who was involved in a divorce and custody battle with Palin’s sister.

Palin and her supporters say the legislative probe is politically biased. She is cooperating with a separate investigation conducted by the state Personnel Board.

The Legislative Council has called for the probe to be completed by Oct. 10, less than a month before the presidential election. Republicans on the Judiciary Committee and other lawmakers have sought to have the completion date pushed back until after the election.

The aides are trying to schedule their statements this week before the deadline. “

5 10 2008
bill

Todd Palin is NOT a state employee. Secondly, he is NOT within or under ANY TYPE of “administrative” or “executive” umbrella so as to prevent him from testifying under some sort of executive separation of power. First Dude is a citizen, period. he is subject to direct subpeona powers as a withness NOT as an executive, or an administration employee. He should have been held in contempt weeks ago for not appearing before the committee. Everybody in this whole series of events must realize, and I’m sure most of the logically thinking people/readers do, it’s not the act or acts regarding Wooten or Monegan anymore, it’s the extent of lengths the PALIN/McCAIN ADMINISTRATION is willing to go to, to delay this entire embarrassing
episode.

Perhaps McFirst Dude was trying to do all of us a favor by leading the succession of Alaska. Perhaps he may want to take that up again so that the rest of the US would not have to put up with the continuing “moose dung” of the Palin’s collectively.

5 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

Oh My AKM you are the best writer I’ve read in a looong time. Thank you — i will dream of jumping frogs and leaping politicians when i sleep tonight, Thank you for sharing your talent with us

5 10 2008
MissSue MI

Found this on CNN:

Judiciary Committee Chairman Hollis French said.

“We’re still working out the details,” said French.

However, French said he believes statements could be taken without pushing back the scheduled Friday release of a report by Stephen Branchflower, the former Anchorage prosecutor conducting the investigation into Palin’s July firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan

5 10 2008
Laurie

@ocliberal. I’m with you. I think when this election is over…Palin will not play a big role in the repub party. She is too far to the right, and the repubs have some serious damage control to do.

Someone mentioned the other day…cant remember who, that the days of power for neocons is coming to a close. The Cheneys and Roves of this world have done enough damage…and the somewhat enlightened beings left in the party will want to rehabilitate it.

Joe Bidens MIL passed away today by the way.

5 10 2008
NoCalGal

That was.is my question and I wonder if any one knows the answer…

Troopergate is **NOT** the Workers’ Comp case is it? Or do they overlap?

WHO or what entity is pursuing the WC matter?

Thanks

5 10 2008
Laurie

Oh my god…who is Sarah Palin to talk about where Barak Obama got his political start. That damn witch got hers on the back of old uncle Ted. Sheesh…I would love to slap that woman.

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

@bill – the contempt hearings wont be until January when the Legislature reconvenes, (at least that’s my understanding). He wasn’t being advised by the AG, (at least not directly), but has his own attorney. He’s also not a part of the lawsuit or appeal. He seems pretty much out on his own on this, apart from being shacked up with the Gov.

5 10 2008
Maeve

Local elections this Tuesday are municipal elections, not state elections.

Our state congressperson (District 2, Peggy Wilson (R) ) is on the legislative council – I’ve emailed her to accept and release the report, but knowing that Sarah Palin is vindictive as [all get out] it actually becomes harder for them to defy her the worse. McCain/Palin do in the national polls – if she’s returning to Alaska there will be [heck] to pay for those that have defied her – and she’ll be in office til the next election – at which time the chickens come home to roost (I hope) – Alaskans don’t like “outsiders” taking over the state government.

OTOH – our state reps are up for election Nov 4 – and if they don’t release the report it will not bode well for them (IMHO) ….

5 10 2008
Laurie

WOW….13 min video coming out tomorrow about Keating. Obama is putting it out because of Palin..lol…

5 10 2008
karion

I think Troopergate will have the biggest effect at home. I am pretty confident McCain-Palin won’t be elected and Palin will come home to this. The more interesting question is what Alaska will do with it. . It will be interesting to see if Alaskans have a long memory.

None of the employees who defied the subpoena will be disciplined. The legislature doesn’t meet until January, and by that time, the election will be three months’ in the rear view window. Coberg will have to deal with the bar complaints and all that, but his job is tethered to hers as governor. Unless the legislature is able to remain pissed off at Palin for her behavior in all of this, as much as I hate to say it, there may be no consequences.

You know what Alaska really needs right now? A bona fide rising star. Palin is vulnerable at home, no matter what the media reports to be her approval rating. This is the perfect time for the right candidate to come out swinging on her ethical issues in a matter of fact way – and it needs to be somebody without a history against Palin (e.g. Halco).

I am going to go ahead and nominate AKM to form an exploratory committee. Running this blog has to be as challenging as running Wasilla (I think you have more readers than they have residents).

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

Thanks for correcting me Maeve!!! I keep hearing all the ads and they roll into one. I see Tom Wagoners name a lot, put 2 and 2 together and got 5. Apologies to everyone.

5 10 2008
shilo

Finally…………………..Keating Five is coming out tomorrow, OB (OBAMA) is fighting back about guilt throuh association, Ayres. He’s bringing out the Keating-Five…………………Finally

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

@NoCalGal (19:05:49) :

The issue is abuse of power.

5 10 2008
asiangrrlMN

@sauerkraut AKA Road Apple Palin–not if you are a decent person who helps others and believes that every person should be allowed to reach her/his potential. I don’t really care what you call yourself. You could be a one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people eater for all I care, but feminist is a handy heuristic term.

Oh, and as long as you have a sense of humor. Very important, especially in the month to come.

Can someone from Alaska tell me if the First Dude is as…um, vacuous as he appears? There’s something weird about him, too.

5 10 2008
Laurie

@asiangrrl…lol…I have the same feeling about the first dud(e) He really look like the class dummy doesnt he?

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

@karion – Re: Rising Star. What about Beigich should, heaven forbid, Uncle Ted get another shot? I’ve never followed politics closely until this whole debacle.

5 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

Whenever Palin yaps about Obama and Ayers or Rezko, I want to reach out to where ever she is and ask her about her strong family and political association with that blessed treasonous anti-American seperatist group known as the Alaska Independence Party.

And whenever Palin yaps about domestic terrorists, I want to ask her about her own policy as mayor which sought to have rape victims pay for their own blessed rape kits!!!!

gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. …

5 10 2008
MissSue MI

@ Laurie (19:07:56)
@ shilo (19:09:42)

Where did you get the info on Keating 5 video tomorrow?

5 10 2008
Laurie

CNN just reported it MissSue MI

5 10 2008
MissSue MI

@ Laurie

Thank you

5 10 2008
MinNJMoose Roadster

Alaska Guy
From what I know from various readings, my guess it that it will be a bombshell. If not, at least a small explosion, and one that is worth knowing. Even if it is just a small pop, I want to know about it, as I think the the rest of the world would. I see her as dangerous to our country and our liberty. You may not see her candidacy as that urgent. We will have to disagree, and I thank you for your reasoned opinion.

5 10 2008
NoCalGal

Aussie-

The issue may be about abuse of power.. but interfering in a WC case IS fraud and subject to criminal prosecution… I think it is a separate cause of action.

But I could be wrong.

5 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

First Dud (sorry but I aint gonna insult the all the dudes out there by calling him a dude) is still in need of being vetted. Isnt there anything known about him other than him sometimes working on the north slope and having that ancient DUI arrest? I mean, what is known about him? High school grad? Any college? Does he like non-wife, female companionship? He is, as asiangrrrl suggests, quite the empty personality. Why does he act like a shadow government? Is he a control freak??

5 10 2008
Laurie

@saurkraut…CNN just reported that a 13 min vid is coming out tomorrow about Keating, and that the Obama campaign is going to go on a full frontal attack. So I think every time McCain/Palin come out with say Rev wright…we will see the witch doc…..or we will see the AIP. There is also the entire POW scandal that nobody wants to talk about. McCain has been hiding info on that for years.

The only problem with that, is Kerry was also involved with that. There is an article coming out in the NYT tomorrow

5 10 2008
5 10 2008
mmboucher

Remember Branchflower stated, the report would be out Oct. 10, with or without cooperation of Todd and Sarah’s staff. He said he had already collected enough facts before they refused to obey the law to finish his report !

5 10 2008
Valhalla

Interesting story in NYT about the relatives of Samuel Augustus Maverick who are PO about McCain and Palin calling themselves ‘Mavericks’. According to Terrellita Maverick and her thoughts about McCain, “He’s a Republican,” she said. “He’s branded.” The Mavericks are very liberal! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/weekinreview/05schwartz.html?ref=politics

5 10 2008
Crazy In Alaska

Doesn’t she know Tina Fey has job security. She just won an Emmy. See the last paragraph. Well, actually read all of it. She says and I quote, “The Associated Press is wrong.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_el_pr/palin_recharged

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

NoCalGal (19:17:06) :

The issue may be about abuse of power.. but interfering in a WC case IS fraud and subject to criminal prosecution… I think it is a separate cause of action.

But I could be wrong.

——————————-

You are correct, but right now it’s a bonus. ;)

5 10 2008
drchill

I’d nominate AKM but I don’t suppose that the requisite extroversion and love of the spotlight is to be found in him/her/them. Our loss.

WRT McCain’s choice, the rising star and the demise of NEOCONs.

For some, you can’t argue well enough to change their minds, but if there’s a series of events that unfolds, and people attach their hopes to her, and have them decisively painfully and irrevocably dashed.. they may come to realize that the business of politics is more than team fighting, flash, zingers, fear mongering and winks.

I’m hopeful.

5 10 2008
5 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Isn’t the WC case another example of her abuse of power?

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

@sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin (19:17:21) :

Does he like non-wife, female companionship?

I’ve heard that if he doesn’t he is the only man up there who doesn’t. A lonely paragon of virtue, you might say. ;)

5 10 2008
ocliberal

Laurie (19:06:42) :

Oh my god…who is Sarah Palin to talk about where Barak Obama got his political start. That damn witch got hers on the back of old uncle Ted. Sheesh…I would love to slap that woman.
—-
Laura: I think one of the most WTF moments from Palin was when Palin she was asked by reporters (on 9/11) if she supports the re-election of Stevens, she replied: “Ted Stevens’ trial started a couple of days ago. We’ll see where that goes.”

She can’t decide if she is going to support the re-election of a man who is currently under indictment for 7 felony counts?

I think that comment got lost in all the brouhaha of the Couric interviews, but I thought it was absolutely mind-boggling and confirmed to me that this woman really has no integrity at all. She can’t come down on either side of Ted Stevens because if he wins his trial and retains his seat she is beholden to him and can’t afford him for an enemy. She sure is Ms. Reformer ridding Alaska of the Good Ol’ Boy network, isn’t she?

She is a fraud!

5 10 2008
Crazy In Alaska

This is from yahoo news. I tried to post the link, but my comments went to internet outer space. The first quote is her comeback about Obama and Ayers. And doesn’t she know Tina Fey has job security? Didn’t she just win an Emmy?

“The Associated Press is wrong,” Palin said, before arguing that the issue had not been adequately discussed.

On Sunday she told donors she had been asked why she had done so poorly in interviews with CBS News anchor Katie Couric. “You know what I should have said?” she joked. “It’s job security for Tina Fey” — the woman who impersonates her on “Saturday Night Live.”

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

@MinNJ – We don’t disagree, you’re still misunderstanding me. I hope the report is published Friday, and that’s still my expectation. If it is then it will be available for all the world to see. I share wholeheartedly your view of her as dangerous, and a McCain/Palin administration as a disaster. You are wrong if you think that I am apathetic toward her candidacy.

The only thing we may disagree on is the magnitude of the explosion, not its importance, or the danger of Sarah Palin.

5 10 2008
Juneau girl

The contract for the investigation ends October 30th, so the report needs to be finished by then. I figure Branchflower will give these folks a very short time-line to give there testimony and wrap it up. I agree that Branchflower probably already has most of what he needs. The testimony of the seven are likely to only confirm what is already known. It may delay the report by a few days, but shouldn’t delay it until after the election. The big question is, will the committee vote to make it public or stall until after the election. I say we still need to be sending those countdown to the 10th emails.

5 10 2008
Shove Maggot Palin aka the problem child

NoCalGal (19:17:06) :
The thing about the troopergate investigation is that it is to investigate why Mr. Monaghan was fired. Everything seems to centre around trooper Wooten. But it seems to have expanded (legislative investigations often do, because they are typically authorized in broad language. Because the evidence showed that not only was SWWNBN potentially interfering in the office of her police commissioner, but also interfering with Wooten’s worker’s comp claim, the investigator went down that road, too. There is no separate “action” around the worker’s compensation matter, but it could result in criminal charges, should there be a credible case that SWWNBN or the first dud interfered with the decision to grant benefits. That is serious stuff, that goes beyond abuse of power to criminal fraud.

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Worker’s comp issue–

Still catching up, but for new folks, there was a thread here—maybe on the old “new” site—before the crash, that indicated there was, within the troopergate investigation ,an issue involving the withdrawal of WC benefits to Wooten…that some pressure was exerted to have benefits withdrawn by the WC insurance company. Also possibly involving the intimation that the insurance company might not get a renewal contract unless this was done.

Help mudpuppies, can’t find the original post!

5 10 2008
bill

@ alaska guy:

Fundamentally, we have been told First Dude is a fisherman, and an oil field worker on the north slope. However, it has come out, on behalf the “Gov” and the Palin family, he continually made calls, took photos on behalf of…, and telephoned numerous govermental officials and agencies to get Wooten fired as well as to put extreme pressure on many to remove Monegan. The only question to be asked is under what veil of authority was First Dude acting? He’s not on the State payroll, allegedly, but yet his actions are perportedly as a citizen. If so, he is absolutely compelled to appear if duly subpoenaed. If all of a sudden, he is hiding behind some veil of executive or administrative authority, please tell me how being First Dude gives him any authority to act as an executive or administrative official on behalf of the State of Alaska. He was compelled to appear via subpoena before a duly authorized and constituted legistlative committee. His non-appearance is nothing but contempt for the legislative process which should solely hold him in contempt as a citizen.

Alaska Man, you are entirely right, he is represented by counsel. As such he is appearing as an individual. Further, I believe his counsel said, “He should appear.” It’s bad enough when our US government officials pull this nonsence, (Cheney, et al) but when the same outside officials have now penetrated the great state of Alaska to pull this kind of rouse, is totally discusting and disgraceful. No wonder SNL (Saturday Night Live) is making laughing stock out of this entire nomination.

I appreciate as I am sure others do, your input.

5 10 2008
MinNJMoose Roadster

Indeed, sauerkraut, indeed. Hopefully, we shall soon see; afterall, we have the basic resumes of everyone else, right?

5 10 2008
Trini

@Karion:
You know what Alaska really needs right now? A bona fide rising star. Palin is vulnerable at home, no matter what the media reports to be her approval rating. This is the perfect time for the right candidate to come out swinging on her ethical issues in a matter of fact way – and it needs to be somebody without a history against Palin (e.g. Halco).

++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Absolutely right Karion! Someone needs to come forward and be a candidate for all of Alaska! Alaskans deserve someone that they can respect in their government. It’s TIME!

5 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

ocliberal – amen to that. Sarah Palin is, indeed, a fraud. And in so many ways. Maybe that’s what McCain meant when he stated that she is so talented in so many ways!!

5 10 2008
drchill

Juneau girl (19:29:37)

The big question is, will the committee vote to make it public or stall until after the election. I say we still need to be sending those countdown to the 10th emails.

I’m guessing there would be a leak.

Did anyone see this ?

Palin Claims Right to See All State Files
Written by Jason Leopold
Sunday, 05 October 2008

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is maneuvering to stop an investigation into an alleged abuse of power, in part, by claiming that she has an unlimited right to pry into the personnel records of all state employees, including the state trooper who divorced her sister. …

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/5303/81/

5 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

Cassie – was that woman’s company the administrator of the WC claims, ie, an adjustment company, or does Harbor provide the actual insurance?

5 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

I’m going to poke around and run a few searches in the morning, but for right now, I need some beauty sleep. Not that sleep will actually help me with my looks…

niters, mudpuppies.

5 10 2008
protus

Well its time to drag out the keating scandal since we are talking about character here.

And how a certian someone flew some else to their own place of residence and had them stay there.

Time to bury McCain

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

drchill (19:36:30) :
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is maneuvering to stop an investigation into an alleged abuse of power, in part, by claiming that she has an unlimited right to pry into the personnel records of all state employees, including the state trooper who divorced her sister. …************************************************************************

That settles it for me…guilty as sin, on the Monegan firing and on the WC issue.

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Sauerkraut–

Murlene something was the owner of the company that underwrote the policy. Apparently after she followed suit to withdraw benefits—later restored—she got a contract renewal, even though she was not the low bidder for policies.

5 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

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READ THIS LATEST POLL BY OHIO MSM PAPER: http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/05/copy/POLL05.ART_ART_10-05-08_A1_CLBG3US.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

5 10 2008
drchill

Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout) (19:33:00) :

Worker’s comp issue–

Still catching up, but for new folks, there was a thread here
===
fyi

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/532372.html

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/536915.html

5 10 2008
Flex Gunship Palin

PJ, yes it’s a delaying tactic. But more of a strategy than a tactic. Really more strategery than that… also.

Other than among the base (translation to Arabic: “Al Qaeda”), a delay is going to stink so badly that the move away from Palin will become a stampede–especially among the independent voters still unsure…. You know, the whistle blows and there’s a penalty for “Delay of game!”

It’s not going to get delayed enough. Sure, the same folks who still think that Nixon was innocent will fantasize that the evil Alaskan liberals got to the AG and the Supreme Court and… anyone else necessary to flesh out the conspiracy theory, from aluminum foil makers to Tata Motors to Phillip Morris. Anyone… and that will justify (“justify”) the shriek that the report was released just in time to affect the election (unlike other reports that have in the past been delayed until after an election… and couldn’t affect them… because the voters didn’t get informed in time).

Her next child’s likely to be “Election Toast Palin.”

5 10 2008
pj

This is what passes for news down here in Nebraska…unless she actually never uttered an understandable phrase other than those aimed at Obama. I guess that might be possible…
Sorry if this if off msg., just thought I’d share another Miss Sarah morsel with you guys.

http://www.columbustelegram.com/articles/2008/10/05/ap-state-ne/d93klcto0.txt

5 10 2008
NoCalGal

Thank you Shove Maggot. I see what you are saying and I agree.

Cassie- MY guess is that the State of AK is self insured and adjusted by that third party administer who handled the claims for them.

In CA employers can be self insured or insured through an insurance company. The State of CA has its own ins. co. which also insures any employer who cannot get insurance anywhere else.

thanks to you all.

5 10 2008
pamela

Re: SP a “rising star.” Caught several network news shows since the debate Thursday and heard many conservative commentators refer to SP this way. All I could think is “What world are they living in? Haven’t they heard about the goings-on in Alaska?”

Remember George “Macaca” Allen from Virginia? He was a rising star, too, a potential GOP presidential candidate, until he lost his Senate seat to Jim Webb. His downfall started when he called a Webb aide “Macaca.”

Troopergate could be SP’s macaca moment. If she loses support in AK (regardless of whether she completes her term as governor) the GOP will drop her as fast as they’ve embraced her, uh…you betcha!

5 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Scalper Palin)
5 10 2008
Valhalla

The real Mavericks of San Antonio are enraged that McCain calls himself a maverick. According to Terrellita Maverick “He’s a Republican,” she said. “He’s branded.” This according to a NYT story.

5 10 2008
Erin

OMG, I haven’t been this happy since August 29th! Hooray, Talis Colberg! Um, I mean, HOORAY, Alaskans for Truth!!

5 10 2008
MinNJMoose Roadster

bill
Great summary. Thanks.

5 10 2008
drchill

Search tip
In Google type

workmans compensation site:mudflats.wordpress.com

This searches for the words – workmans compensation just in mudflats

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/troopergate-witness-flips-like-a-pancake/

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/troopergates-strange-bedfellows/

5 10 2008
Erin

Actually, I meant August 28th. August 29th will go down in infamy as one of the worst days of my life.

Obama/O’Biden ’08!

5 10 2008
Anonymous

Time to bury McCain <blockquote

5 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Suchanut, We see this Omama ad on health care constantly in Pgh. PA

5 10 2008
pj

Not that I’m sure the campaign would want to go there; but i’m old enough to remember Gordon Libbey from the Watergate days. His ties to Jm are pretty solid. He was convicted of breaking-n-entering, wiretapping, but confessed to planning murder and bombings also. (damned I hate using that word “also” now after listening to Miss Sarah) He was just a gov’t-grown terrorist.
But as I said, i’m not sure Obama will go there, he’s pretty classy…me, I’m sharpening my claws :o).

5 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Palin name code broken?

Could T.R.I.G. really mean: This Really Isn’t Governer’s?

5 10 2008
Laurie

PJ…I mentioned Libby earlier today on another thread. Mentioning it is no different,…than what Palin is doing with Ayers. The fact is McCain had a much stronger relationship to Libby…than Obama ever had with Ayers.

Its nice to stay above the fray, but sometimes we need to fight fire with fire. This election is too important to lose, especially due to lies and other swift boat tactics. I dont feel sorry for McCain. What the hell …did he think he was invincible.

5 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Pj it you mean G Gordon Liddy

5 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

It’s Liddy!!!

5 10 2008
Divatalk

Hey guys, I put this in another post. Didn’t know if this has been posted already but, check this out, Obama is fighting back, this time with Keating 5.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html

The heat is on!! This is going to be helluva month!

5 10 2008
Laurie

lol…yes..it is liddy. Didnt he also “find religion” since getting out of prison? I think he has a radical right wing radio show now…but I could be wrong.

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

I read G. Gordon Liddy’s autobiography years ago. He says he once killed a rat and ate it raw to prove to himself how tough he was.

[barf emoticon]

5 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Liddy would make a great first name for Bristol Palin’s kid

5 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Scalper Palin)

Thanks Eyes Wide – we don’t get any of the targeted Obama ads up here and I love to see all the ads. They are so well done, and even-tempered, just like Barack.

I’m very impressed with the Obama organization. I believe they have a mitigation plan for every contingency, even the one we were discussing yesterday: the generation that is reluctant to vote for an african american – like my 67 year old sister who lives in New Orleans. It will be interesting to see what they have come up with to deal with that issue. I know they have something up their sleeve.

Obama for President has a comprehensive strategy and plan. I am greatly comforted to see proof of it with the planned Keating response. We are ready for whatever they throw at us the next 30 days.

HOPE!!!!!

5 10 2008
Sharon/California

Ohhhhhh …… I see the steam building ……. maybe McVesuvius will blow his stack during the debate – won’t that be fun to watch?!

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

DRCHILL–

Thanks—I just wanted for for Sauerkraut

SAUERKRAUT — drchill (19:56:47) : first link!

pj (20:03:48) : Liddey, I remember, too. More than that, though, I’m old enough to remember when McCain signed his confessions in North Vietnam and the NV made total hay out of the propaganda films of McCain…but NOBODY wants to go there. But I tell, and remind, everyone I know!

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Laurie (20:11:54) :

Chuck Colson (sp) got religion…G.Gordon Liddy is still just a PR*%k ;)

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

@Laurie

I read an earlier post where you mentioned that Obama is scheduled to release a “Keating 5″ video tomorrow.

It looks like this may be the spot:

Keating Economics: John McCain and a Financial Crisis

There is a short clip posted there now, along with this:

See the full-length video at http://KeatingEconomics.com starting @ noon Eastern on 10/6. KEATING ECONOMICS: The story of John McCain and the making of a financial crisis.

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

@Laurie

I read an earlier post where you mentioned that Obama is scheduled to release a “Keating 5″ video tomorrow.

It looks like this may be the spot:

Keating Economics: John McCain and a Financial Crisis

There is a short clip posted there now, along with this:

See the full-length video at http://KeatingEconomics.com starting @ noon Eastern on 10/6. KEATING ECONOMICS: The story of John McCain and the making of a financial crisis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsI_0bV2CZo

5 10 2008
Denise

You guys . . . and gals

ARE MY HEROS!!!!!

Ordinary citizens doing extraordinary things. Making a difference. Wow.

5 10 2008
SMR

@Dr. Chill, re: Jason Leopold article:

Not so sure that I believe anything that guy Jason writes. If you google him you’ll find that he is quite controversial. I am hoping that AKM had another source when she wrote about the flipping WC employee, because Jason’s articles really aren’t that credible…

I love everything that I read here, and hope & pray that the info is true, but the fact that he is sourced on that info kind of makes me call it into question.

And as an Alaska fighting for the rights of Alaska, Alaskans, Monegan, Truth, other voters of the US, and Obama, I really really need that sort of info to come out in this Branchflower report, and there are very few people who WANT that info to be true as much as I do…

5 10 2008
mimi

Thanks Alaskans for continuing the fight! Whew – just keep the msm apprised and let them take the ball.

Suchanut: that same ad is running in the twin cities, Minnesota, and Western Wisconsin
Good job – Obama

I really do believe that people will see palin and mccain for what they are as they continue to step up the mud slinging. And as this investigation progresses there is really no way that palin can defend her actions.

They are toast!

5 10 2008
Laurie

@cassie…no…Liddy does have a radio show. Here is the link

http://www.liddyshow.com/

5 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Scalper Palin)

Andrew Halcro also posted Jason Leopold’s info….there must be in inside source if both AKM and Andrew posted….

5 10 2008
ira2

Here’s the link to the CNN article:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/05/palin.probe/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

I think someone above already asked the question… is the WC issue part of this, or would that be something separate?

5 10 2008
Laurie

@suchanut..so has Shannyn Moore…Celtic Diva…Huffington Post and Daily Kos. Oh…and Andrew Halco as well

5 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Has this ever been posted on mudflats? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjsEs46C70

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

It has seemed for a few days that any mention of Murlene Wilkes recanting can be traced back to that one article by Jason Leopold. I read it first on the Public Record website.

I read this morning that Wilkes’ sister denies that she changed her testimony.

5 10 2008
pamela

@Laurie,
Liddy did become a right-wing talker, but it was Chuck Colson, also of Watergate fame, who got religion in prison.

5 10 2008
asiangrrlMN

Wow. The more I learn about McCain, the more I can’t believe I had actually considered that he would have been all right in 2000. A consummate hothead, gambler, misogynist, and all around not nice guy is this one.

Watching him now, it’s hard to think that I ever saw him as a person who put his country first (to coopt his tearm) and not someone just seething with unbridled ambition. Even though his demeanor isn’t like W.’s, they really are two peas in a pod.

5 10 2008
pj

yes, thanks for jogging this tired mind…Liddey in the 70′s, Scooter Libbey is current.
Wow, I think McCain’s erratic thought patterns are contaminating me…I try to keep up, but…or it’s just too much time spent in the mud wrestlin’ them hogs! :o)
Yes Cassie, my husband is a combat ‘Nam vet and he has made sure I’m fully aware of those issues. Tom (hubby) won’t talk politics to other vets. His alliance “is to God, country, family and buddies…not gov’t”. But he is voting Obama. Sometimes I wish he’d talk to his buddies, he sounds alot like you, passionate and knowledgable.

5 10 2008
Lana, KY

After all this comes out in the news tomorrow – The Keating Five and other scandals McCain has been involved it -
Well, I was just thinking how MAD he will be at the debate Tuesday night.
I suspect by now he needs a mouthpiece to keep from grinding his old yellow teeth down to nubbins.

5 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

@bill. This is one of the things that really gets to me, and hope is addressed in the investigation. Just what in the hell was Todd Palin doing questioning state officials in the Governors office? I hope there’s a good explanation, because I surely can’t think of one.

5 10 2008
Believer

Way to go Alaskans for Truth! You inspire us all! AKM – excellent reporting and keeping us up-to-date with the details that really tell the whole story. Thank you! Saw your post on Huffington this morning – well done!

5 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Scalper Palin)

Eyes Wide Open – I’ve seen that before, but thanks for posting it again.

It is a great clip of a veteran talking about why McCain isn’t fit to be commander in chief – worth a watch for sure.

5 10 2008
pamela

Thanks, everyone for the Obama campaign ad links. Don’t see much of this on the air in western NY – seeing as NY is pretty blue, Dems rarely spend the money here – but we did have a couple of ads r/t Obama’s health care plan on the ad today – positive spots, nothing negative, but I think it speaks well of the Obama campaign that they care enough to spend a little here.

5 10 2008
Denise

@Karion:
You know what Alaska really needs right now? A bona fide rising star. Palin is vulnerable at home, no matter what the media reports to be her approval rating. This is the perfect time for the right candidate to come out swinging on her ethical issues in a matter of fact way – and it needs to be somebody without a history against Palin (e.g. Halco).

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@Trini:
Absolutely right Karion! Someone needs to come forward and be a candidate for all of Alaska! Alaskans deserve someone that they can respect in their government. It’s TIME!

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You two are strategists. In the litereal definition. Recall anyone?

5 10 2008
Waxman

I am a little Worried about the Obama Campaign putting out the Keating stuff. I wonder if it actually makes the Ayers stuff seem more credible. The Keating stuff is real – nothing made up – John McCain tried to step in and hinder an investigation ito protect his friend and the guy who put him in office. That is a far cry from the guilt by association cry the the McCain campaign is embarking on with Ayers. When you fight a smear with the facts, seems to me you have a risk of making people think you are comparing two similar issues. Wouldn’t it be better to pull out the McCain’s Mistress article the NYT put out earlier and push that – at least you have two issues side by side that are just allegations. That comparison seems to make a point that this is all silliness. The Keating card is well beyond silliness.

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

Regarding the ongoing saga of G. Gordon Liddy’s McCain relationship:

Why is the NY Times continuing to ignore McCain’s “own Bill Ayers”?

Summary: On October 4, The New York Times published a front-page article about Sen. Barack Obama’s association with William Ayers — at least the 18th Times article this year mentioning that association. But the Times has yet to mention Sen. John McCain’s relationship with G. Gordon Liddy. The October 4 article quoted Chicago Tribune columnist Steve Chapman denouncing Obama’s association with Ayers but did not note that Chapman has described Liddy as McCain’s “own Bill Ayers” and written that “[i]f Obama needs to answer questions about Ayers, McCain has the same obligation regarding Liddy.”

As Media Matters for America has noted, Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998,

http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004

5 10 2008
Denise

Hey Pamela, Remember the Repubs great favorite was an actor. Palin talks to the camera and boom, they are hooked. A telegenic mouthpiece.

5 10 2008
Jeri a.k.a. Bullpen Cola Palin

Obama needs to make McCains Kremlin connection public as well. McCain is seedy and corrupt. Check this article out from The Nation.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman

5 10 2008
pj

@ Anne, thanks; it was hard to dredge those memories up w/o some doubt about my recall ability! :o)
I’m torn…part of me wants Obama/Biden to rip those 2 a new a%*-h#^e, but another part wants to listen to a more quiet and gentle voice. The voice Obama has used throughout all of this; primary and general.
I guess that’s partly why I pray everyday for AK’s efforts to succeed…if the “law of the land” causes their failure then they will be less able to blame it on anyone but themselves. Well, excepting all the multitude of Obama operatives lurking around everywhere! :o)

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Laurie (20:22:19) :

@cassie…no…Liddy does have a radio show. Here is the link

http://www.liddyshow.com/
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I really fear him, Laurie…he’s still a PR*%K !

5 10 2008
ira2

Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin (20:27:29) :

It has seemed for a few days that any mention of Murlene Wilkes recanting can be traced back to that one article by Jason Leopold. I read it first on the Public Record website.

I read this morning that Wilkes’ sister denies that she changed her testimony.

K, so that’s nothing to bring up again, it seems. Good to know what’s what… thanks :o)

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

pj (20:30:44) :

Wounds were very deep then, PJ. This kinds of divisive political behavior brings it all back.

And I ache for the best and brightest of our future to be, as they say “in harm’s way”….but for me it should read “on the butcher’s block”.

5 10 2008
Vlad the I'm Palin

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS221755+06-May-2008+PRN20080506

Another lovely story re McCain from Reuters, May 6, 2008

5 10 2008
karion

Okay, not to completely snark on Alaska politicians, least of all the Republicans, but this story cracked me up. It is a state Republican legislator who was a complete twit on a flight.

Also, it is a great example of the quality of reporting by Lisa Demer, who I mentioned before. She reports all of the facts.

5 10 2008
Vlad the I'm Palin

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04

In case someone missed this article on the friendship between G. Gordon Liddy and John McCain and Liddy’s financial support of McCain (story from Chicago Tribune of spring, 2008)

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Lana, KY (20:30:45) :

After all this comes out in the news tomorrow – The Keating Five and other scandals McCain has been involved it -
Well, I was just thinking how MAD he will be at the debate Tuesday night.
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You have zeroed in on something here, Lana!

I think McCain might just blow it. And if the Keating 5 doesn’t do it, then I think we need to drag out the John McCain confession (propaganda) tapes when he was a POW. He says POW a lot. He forgets to say he confessed to war crimes and the Viet Cong enjoyed every minute of it.

5 10 2008
drchill

I like the discursiveness of Obama, and his strategic play.

eg: His response to the Paris Hilton &Spears – popularity ads. “Is that it? Is that all you’ve got.”

He & Biden seem to be ignoring McCain’s VP choice.

Its the “economy stupid” Its the issues.

IF, IF Obama wants to go after McCain, he should do it in McCain’s own words.
His FUNDAMENTAL support of GWBs positions.

McCain’s statements about NEGATIVE ADS.

His clueless words about the fundamentals of the economy.

Just let McCain attack McCain.

My $.02

Hey, I think I was right about “Preparedness”(readiness) v. “Experience”, so maybe I’m right about this…

5 10 2008
Riverside

With everything unfolding so fast, with Obama/Biden way ahead in the polls, one is moved to ask:

Tell me again how Governor Palin’s running for VP with John McCain is going to benefit Alaskans.

Her calling Obama a guy who pals around with terrorists, her calling Biden, whose son, the Atorney General of Delaware is not advising state employees to ignore subpoenas to testify in a probe about his senator, but has shipped off to Iraq as part of his National Guard Committment, her calling Joe Biden a white flag surrender traitor- how is this going to help Alaskans?

Because I really want to know.

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

karion (20:57:24) :

But John McCain invented the blackberry, doesn’t that mean it can be used at all times in all places in every way?

SWWNBN has TWO of them—or maybe more by now!

5 10 2008
Valhalla

Wonder if Anne Hathaway knows anything about what happened on the boat in Montenergo between McCain and Raffaello? She didn’t mention it on SNL. Or did she know about Oleg Deripaska also being in the same bay? The Nation article mentioned above points to MC’s manager Rick Davis pulling the strings to collect the payoffs. What did McCain get out of this meeting?

5 10 2008
Vlad the I'm Palin

http://www.freestatealliance.com/

G. Gordon Liddy will be stpeaking at a fundraiser for McCain in Maryland on October 30. See above link

5 10 2008
drchill

Scary thought for the night.

Stevens is impeached, and McCain’s VP choice appoints herself to replace him. She flees troopergate, or like the frog, jumps out of hot water…

Enter the former sportscaster into the national scene, preparing for a 2012.
And unless there are criminal charges, a mere -threat- of impeachment, won’t hurt her that much. (Democratic smears and all)

-=:O

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

@Vlad the I’m Palin (21:08:10) :

http://www.freestatealliance.com/

G. Gordon Liddy will be stpeaking at a fundraiser for McCain in Maryland on October 30. See above link

He’s being invited by the Maryland Federation of Republican Women – maybe they can exchange rat recipes. :D

5 10 2008
asiangrrlMN

You know what surprises me the most? That not one whit of this will make any difference to roughly one-fourth of the country, perhaps up to a third.

I can only hope with all my heart that the undecided voters do their due diligence before Nov. 4. McCain/Palin almost (but not quite) make Bush/Cheney look…no, I can’t say anything complimentary about that duo so suffice to say, McCain/Palin would be even worse.

5 10 2008
pj

@ Cassie,
you are right. Living during those times makes this time hard; it almost seems as a flashback. Different geographical locations and different political faces but still bloody, costly war(s) and a crucial, historical presidential election.
Have we come full circle then?

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

@drchill (21:10:34) :

Why do people think this idiot has legs?

In 2012 she won’t be hot any more, and she’ll still be stupid. Surely the Republicans can come up with better.

5 10 2008
Lulu

OFF TOPIC – Phone Banking today/call Ohio. SO MANY OBAMA SUPPORTERS THERE! :-)

5 10 2008
drchill

Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin (21:15:32) :

In 2012 she won’t be hot any more, and she’ll still be stupid. Surely the Republicans can come up with better.
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Have they ?
They’ve had 4 years to come up with McCain and his choice…
Hows that going ?

5 10 2008
Vlad the I'm Palin

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_/ai_n8917709

And another article from August, 2000 in which McCain endorses G. Gordon Liddy’s son, Tom Liddy

5 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Signing off here in North Carolina where we’re getting a little bluer as I type.

I’m knocking on doors tomorrow, registrations in hand, so I’ll check in with you late.

Try to keep the breaking news down a little, will you? I’ll have loads to read up on late tomorrow is my guess.
;)

5 10 2008
mudslide pike

Hey Sarah how did that Sportscaster/Beauty Queen thing work out for ya? Sounds like ya might be given lessons in the pokie ya know. You did get the talkin to the camera thing right. To bad you didn’t learn some of them there issues that make you and the John Boy Maverick’s ya know. So Say Joe there ya go again. Maybe you and that Obama guy cam keep her out of the can so she can serve the people of Alaska ya know. Then again See ya Sarah….. Don’t drop the soap or have Piper send yo soap on a rope…

5 10 2008
Tim

It seems like the AK AG should know the difference between a “witness” and a “plaintiff.” Isn’t that Lawyering 101?

I heard a rumor that “Talis” is Inuit for “dumbass”.

Sarah must have taken notes from Ms. Colberg on baby naming.

5 10 2008
drchill

Actually didn’t McCain’s choice flub the ‘there ya go Joe ‘ line ?

Didn’t she say “there you’ll go Joe” !!??

And a big shout out to my peeps in Cell block D…

g’night…

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

pj (20:50:30) :

@ Anne, thanks; it was hard to dredge those memories up w/o some doubt about my recall ability! :o)
I’m torn…part of me wants Obama/Biden to rip those 2 a new a%*-h#^e, but another part wants to listen to a more quiet and gentle voice. The voice Obama has used throughout all of this; primary and general.

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pj,

Obama is playing in the big leagues, with thugs. As long as he is revealing the TRUTH about his opponents, I’m shouting and cheering him on!

The McCain campaign announced they are going dirty (GOING?). Palin’s out on the stump accusing Obama of “palling around with terrorists”, saying “there is a special place in hell for women who don’t support other women”.

O. cannot be perceived as a wimp. The public deserves to know the truth…

Senator McCain – You can’t handle the truth! Oh no! That’s me channeling Tom Cruise to Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men! :)

5 10 2008
Vlad the I'm Palin

The following excerpted from an article of June 11, 2008, at the website listed below:

Asked whether he’d be interested in Cheney had the vice president not already have served under Bush for two terms, McCain said: “I don’t know if I would want him as vice president. He and I have the same strengths. But to serve in other capacities? Hell, yeah.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11000.htmlh.”

5 10 2008
Sophie from Vt

I have a question for anyone from Alaska…
Alaska has voted republican and is considered a Red state for Presidental Elections.
Is there a possibility that on Nov. 4th Alaska may vote Democrat?
It seems to me that Alaskans are for Obama?
Can someone shed some light on this?

5 10 2008
Zim in Oz

@Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin (21:15:32) :
you said>>>
In 2012 she won’t be hot any more, and she’ll still be stupid. Surely the Republicans can come up with better.>>>>

NWML (nearly wet myself laughing….!)

2012 She will need more than tatooed lip liner LOL
…There’ll be a botox brow, puffed up lips, tummy tuck…
I can see it now. Little miss vanity will not allow herself to age….it’s part of her clout….and she’ll still be stupid !

5 10 2008
asiangrrlMN

@AnneinWA, if you’re ever in MN, I’d like to take you out for a drink ‘coz I like the way you think.

Both Kerry and Dukakis have said that it was a mistake for them to not hit back when they were attacked. I think Obama HAS to counter, and I think he is doing it in the right way. He is not using sleazy innuendos or twisting ‘facts’ to fit his theory. He is, as Dr. Chill said, using a multi-prong attack, all of which are based on intelligent planning. Obama is using McCain’s own words against him; Obama is presenting McCain’s past in a clear (i.e. non-histrionic) way; Obama is remaining cool in the face of danger. In short, he is doing what it takes to win with as minimal descension into the gutter as possible.

The biggest perception of the Democrats, right or wrong, is that we are a bunch of wimps. Obama has to stand firm in the face of these attacks and show that he can hold his own.

5 10 2008
pj

@ Anne,
LOL, ‘kay I give up!! let’s rip their guts out and use ‘em fer fishin’ bait…aw, ain’t none better than ol’ stinky guts for gettin’ at them bottom feeders. Aye, I’ll be a’tellin’ ya now, that ther’ be a mighty fine idee, yessiree-bob.

5 10 2008
ira2

Zim in Oz (21:48:11) :

2012 She will need more than tatooed lip liner LOL
…There’ll be a botox brow, puffed up lips, tummy tuck…
I can see it now. Little miss vanity will not allow herself to age….it’s part of her clout….and she’ll still be stupid !

C’mon, don’t tell me I’m the only one wondering why there’s not a single wrinkle on her forehead NOW when she crunches up her face to wink! The woman is a middle-aged outdoorsy sporty one and can wink without a wrinkle?? By 2012, it’ll have to go waaay beyond Botox, sez I.

5 10 2008
asiangrrlMN

@ira2, to be fair, most of the men have probably been nipped and tucked, too. Neither Biden nor McCain have any forehead wrinkles, either.

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

asiangrrlMN (21:49:02) :

The biggest perception of the Democrats, right or wrong, is that we are a bunch of wimps. Obama has to stand firm in the face of these attacks and show that he can hold his own.

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@asiangrrlMN

Thanks, asiangrrl…If I get to MN I will surely take you up on your offer!

I agree with your assessment. Obama is intelligent and has surrounded himself with like-minded people, but I always feel as though he is in charge of those who represent him…and he sets a calm, steady tone…while remaining ready to bring his metaphorical gun to McCain’s slimy knife fight!

Go Obama – Git ‘er Dun! Now I am channeling Larry the Cable Guy :)

This election season is making me crazy!

5 10 2008
Badfinger

I believe “the state” is the people. So even though he is the principle executive officer of the department of law, he is not the governer’s personal lawyer but represents the people of the state in their name.

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

pj (21:53:46) :

@ Anne,
LOL, ‘kay I give up!! let’s rip their guts out and use ‘em fer fishin’ bait…aw, ain’t none better than ol’ stinky guts for gettin’ at them bottom feeders. Aye, I’ll be a’tellin’ ya now, that ther’ be a mighty fine idee, yessiree-bob.

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pj,

You are so funny! Thanks for the chuckle. Please don’t misunderstand – I don’t want Obama to turn into the Terminator and play anything-dirty-goes politics. But I consider the truth fair game…and I believe JohnnyMc has, for the most part, been given a pass on much of his past despicable behavior.

I read your earlier post, when you spoke about your husband who served in Viet Nam. Currently, my son is an Army pilot who has been “being all that he can be” on back-to-back rotations, fighting on our country’s current battlefronts. If McCain were to become…nope…can’t finish that sentence!

THINK POSITIVE OBAMA THOUGHTS AND TRUST HIS JUDGMENT !

We shall overcome! YES WE WILL!

5 10 2008
LaNon

karion (17:35:54) :

karion has made a number of comments that interest me–yes, this stall is v ingenous and feels like the work of a heavy duty attorney. probably overpowering the state as we type. let us not forget the fine work of heavy duty law firms like O’Melveny and Meyer who brought us Bush v Gore. The repubs have heavy duty attorneys et al. feels like the fix is in, highly unlikely sarah-belle will feel too much pain from troopergate UNLESS, as happens sometimes, someone drops in out of the blue…
ah what twisted tales
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thanks all for the delicious and energizing reading (almost) everybody

congratulations to akmucky on being an expert source–
don’t go changin’ (think billy joel)

ms lanon in LA

5 10 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

AKM, I love the metaphor. Keep the heat turned up, Alaskans–and mudpuppies. They blinked.

5 10 2008
pj

@ Anne,
pls relay our gratitude to your son and if you’d care to share his name I will add him and you to my prayers. (Although all our brave warriors get a blanket prayer every morn and eve.) Your son is one of the many thousands now serving that make getting Obama elected vital. And there are many more vets here at home that need the changes he’ll bring about also. (ee-gads i have to quit using that word!!!)
I did not mistake your intentions; I was just taking a break and being vindictive and silly and loving it! :o) One of my champagne moments. I trust that obama will find the perfect attack mix/timing; just like you and Asiangrrl were discussing earlier.

5 10 2008
NSWFM

Flex Gunship Palin (19:48:48) :

….Her next child’s likely to be “Election Toast Palin.”

That was funny, and now I can go to bed laughing at least instead of crying myself to sleep based on the train wreck of our economy by John McCain’s close buddy Phil “nation of whiners/mental recession” Graham and his wife. And the trainwreck of the McCain/Palin campaign.

5 10 2008
SMR

Not sure if there are any other Alaskans on now, so I’ll take (another) shot at answering the question about whether or not AK will go blue:

Well, lots to overcome, so I’m not getting too optimistic, but I am hopeful.

1) There are lots of excited youth out there who will vote. Talked to a prof at Univ of AK-Fairbanks at the Obama rally in Anchorage and he said they are pretty close to unanimously pro-O, and that’s about 1/3 of the Fairbanks area voters. In Anchorage there is a strange mix of thought amongst youth — pretty evenly divided between redneck/repub and liberal/dem. On the positive side of that is the fact that the young liberals are excited about voting, and I don’t think that’s the same for the others.

2) Anchorage has plenty of liberals/dems. That’s the largest city. Also the most forward-thinking in terms of not necessarily voting strictly along party lines. There are many people here in Anchorage who are registered Repubs who are NOT voting for the McLame/Failin ticket. My husband & I are two of those (why we are no longer supporting repubs is a long story and I’ll address that in a different comment). My husband & I are oil company employees. We had had it up to here with scarah long before she was picked for VP to mclame — her TransCanada pipeline deal & the energy rebate sealed her doom with us. I don’t think we’re alone in being ticked off about the pipeline (amongst oil employees), but I do think there are a lot of those who are angry that will still vote along party lines. On the positive side, there ARE plenty of dems among the oil company workers.

3) Native support in AK for scarah should be gone. Don’t know if it is, but it should be. If the elders/leaders in the native communities encourage their villages/towns to vote, I have a sneaking suspicion (hope?) that those will mostly go to Obama/Biden. It’s a strange dynamic, though, because there ARE native communities on the North Slope that are tied to the oil industry for their livelihood in many ways. Of course those same communities also hunt whale, something that is threatened by the drill baby drill crowd, so who knows how those votes will go.

4) I think that Alaskans are notoriously apathetic voters. The big question is this: will rethugs remain apathetic? On the one hand, AK “always” goes red, so perhaps some will think they don’t need to bother voting, on the other, some are fired up about their “homegirl” being on the ticket — so I wouldn’t feel comfortable counting on continued apathy from the rethug voters. Dems, though, are fired up, and I expect to see them at the polls like nothing else before.

Those are the key issues that I see here in AK. There are plenty of other things that can get thrown in — lots of rethug gun-toters out in the wilds, but also lots of people in love with the land in a nice way. They may hunt, but they have real respect for the land, and other people too, and so there ARE some liberal/dems to balance it all out. Sadly, though, those areas, Wasilla, Palmer, Kenai, Fairbanks, etc., they are pretty heavily red. Juneau might cancel out a lot of those rethug votes, though.

I’m not making any predictions — too many what-ifs in this state. I remain hopeful, and continue to do my part to help Obama win voters in Alaska.

Crossing fingers.

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

pj ,

Thanks, like you I send a wave of positive energy and huge prayers for all the brave women and men who have fought for, and are fighting for us every day also! Tell your husband a belated thanks for me too!

5 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

@asiangrrlMN (22:00:03) :

@ira2, to be fair, most of the men have probably been nipped and tucked, too.

McCain has punched a big hole in the world’s Botox stocks to get that cadaver look.

5 10 2008
pj

@ SMR,
from Nebraska…sorry.
But it’s a red state too, but working it is interesting b/c we split our electoral votes based on congressional dist. So I’d like to see Obama pull at least one of those EV’s away from McCain.
I see where your thoughts have taken you though, it isn’t easy to predict such factors is it? To accurately weigh apathy, youth committment plus your political mess thrown in can’t be easy.
Best of luck to you and I salute your hard work up there.

5 10 2008
SMR

In my last post I mentioned that my husband & I are former Republicans. My husband remains a registered Republican so that he can A) make a statement at the polls by voting against their ticket, and B) continue to get their propaganda, thereby diverting time/$/energy from someone who will actually send them money, respond to their call for help, etc.

The other day he & I had a conversation where we discussed the fact that we were totally confused as to when the rethuglican party got so derailed. We were out of the country for 4 years, returned end of last December. We missed the last election for the most part, just got the foreign slant on it & an earful from relatives on the phone. Now, when we left we felt like we were pretty conservative (but NOT religious) people, supported business as one of the engines of the US economy, of course into the oil industry (petro engineers are pretty well dependent upon it, not many job options outside of it), but NOT into ANWR, not at all interested in the pro-life agenda, but felt like that was just a little buzzing noise, not the huge thing that it’s become now. We don’t hunt or fish, so none of the NRA nonsense really resonated with us, we tuned it out.

So, I’m confused. Did we miss something in the past 5 years? Were we totally out of touch before we left, or did something fundamentally shift in the US while we were away that led to this completely and totally psychotic shift to the neo-con, racist, religious fanaticism that the rethuglicans have come to hold so dear? We followed the Iraq situation closely, of course, Cheney the psycho, Guantanamo Bay, torture — when did this country devolve into mindsets that I thought were left behind after the civil rights movement? Have those horrible people never really changed and have just been biding their time? Have they been like this for the past 5 years that we’ve been gone? I wasn’t so clueless that I voted for GW a second time, he’d long since worn out his welcome with me, but really, did I miss something totally obvious between 2000-2003?

5 10 2008
pj

@ Anne,
will do. This ol’ grannie has to pretend to sleep now; one of my grandaughters will be here about 0530 and 0145 now!!!
God bless, talk to you all soon
PS I’m glad your rallies all went well (and Miss Sarah’s didn’t) I loved the pics…those signs were great!! So much heart…

5 10 2008
SMR

@PJ,

Maybe when this is all over & we are toasting an Obama win (maybe not thanks to AK, but one can hope), we can start a thread where we debate the pros/cons of the electoral system.

My daughter is 18 this month, excited about voting for Obama in her first election. She has fully embraced the rallies & the political process. Since we were overseas for much of her teens she didn’t get the standard US History/US Gov’t/Constitutional teaching that most US students get, a lot of this is new to her. Anyway, she asked me what I thought about it the other day. Good to talk to kids about that stuff. My mother & I never talked politics until I was in my 30s, these days we never talk about anything else…

Best of luck to you in NV too!!!!!!! One person at a time, one vote at a time! That’s how I’m working my little corner of AK, going door to door…

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

SMR (22:46:34) :

So, I’m confused. Did we miss something in the past 5 years?

@SMR –

Please don’t think me disrespectful, but I read the sentence above and just about fell out of my chair! Oh yeah…somethin’s been happenin’ here!

Now let me catch my breath and respond to your question appropriately.

SMR went on to ask:
Were we totally out of touch before we left, or did something fundamentally shift in the US while we were away that led to this completely and totally psychotic shift to the neo-con, racist, religious fanaticism that the rethuglicans have come to hold so dear? We followed the Iraq situation closely, of course, Cheney the psycho, Guantanamo Bay, torture — when did this country devolve into mindsets that I thought were left behind after the civil rights movement? Have those horrible people never really changed and have just been biding their time? Have they been like this for the past 5 years that we’ve been gone? I wasn’t so clueless that I voted for GW a second time, he’d long since worn out his welcome with me, but really, did I miss something totally obvious between 2000-2003?

@SMR

In my opinion, the shift officially began the moment W took office. If you had been following the agendas of the people with whom he surrounded himself (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz – Project for the New American Century guys, back in the mid 90′s – read their 1998 letter/proposal to Bill Clinton), I believe one could predict the changes we have seen.

Welcome back!

5 10 2008
asiangrrlMN

@Aussie Puck Mule–thanks for the laugh about McCain and Botox (botulism, doncha know!). I needed that.

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

pj – this aging hippie/grannie is headed to bed too!

May peace be with you..

5 10 2008
pj

@ SMR
ty, i’d love to debate this electoal college set-up…perhaps I could learn something. It’s reason for being in today’s mobile/fluid society seems “not so good anymore”.
As for what happened in the 1st few yrs of this century…I think many people were just too busy. In the mid-west (Wy, Ne, Ks, Ia, SD) it’s been pretty much the same issues Obama got into so much trouble for…they kept too many people’s eyes focused on religion and guns. Then came 9/11 and Bush/Cheney locked us up in fear. JMHO

5 10 2008
SMR

Thanks AnneinWa. I know I wasn’t paying attention to much of that stuff in the mid 90s to 2000. Working & raising a small child & not much of anything else! I hope that my girls will always be more politically engaged than I was. After GW was re-elected I had a bit of a political wake-up call, but was overseas and so didn’t give it a whole lot of consideration in my day-to-day life. This election, though, it is scary, it has jolted me, I am consumed by doing all that I can.

5 10 2008
AnneinWA

SMR (23:08:01) :

Thanks AnneinWa. I know I wasn’t paying attention to much of that stuff in the mid 90s to 2000. Working & raising a small child & not much of anything else! I hope that my girls will always be more politically engaged than I was. After GW was re-elected I had a bit of a political wake-up call, but was overseas and so didn’t give it a whole lot of consideration in my day-to-day life. This election, though, it is scary, it has jolted me, I am consumed by doing all that I can.

@SMR
Sometimes a jolt is a good thing. I have lived through MANY election cycles. My political inspiration came in the form of John Kenndy. As a starry-eyed 13-year-old, I believed that man when he called on us to “Ask not what you country can do for you…”

I feel privliged to have been alive then. Patriotism was bountiful, Americans were proud. We felt united and powerful and involved in our great government. Losing him was so painful, but I have never forgotten his message.

I have not felt such inspiration again, in a potential president, until Barack Obama came onto the political scene. He has truly made me hopeful again. I feel so blessed to live in this great nation – and I want our fellow citizens of the world, who love their own countries – to know that REAL change is coming! Heck, the Aussies and the Brits watch our backs while we sleep!

5 10 2008
Peter

This is all good. Now lets watch the frogs jump. There going to sing like birds.

5 10 2008
Huh?

AM I MISSING SOMETHING?????

Why are the state workers suddenly realizing they are bound by law, but the first dude still hasn’t figured it out?

Somebody please explain it to me – - -Whatever happened to my beloved state of Alaska? – - – Let me out of this rabbit hole!!!

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6 10 2008
FireFrog

You don’t suppose Todd’s back there to put the frighteners on the people who are testifying, do you?

I’d be well, well scared of that Dude if he had political muscle in my town…

They’ve got years before they can get rid of the ‘first couple’

unless there’s an impeachment? Is that possible?

6 10 2008
Jamie, expat in France

First : to SMR : I want to add something to what AnneinWa said. It started with Bill Clinton and the Repubs looking desperately for something that would lead to this highly popular president’s downfall, the only way to ensure a Repub win after Bill’s 8 years. They tried everything and eventually convinced all those holier-than-thou Christian Repubs that a blowjob (excuse my French) in the Oval Office was a deadlier sin than all the others rolled into one. It worked and Dubya was elected as the “Born Again Christian straight talkin’ dude you normal americans would want at your family bbq”. After that it was 9/11. After a short time pulling the country together, the Repubs decided to use it not only to invade Iraq, but to wrap themselves up in the American flag and DARE an red-blooded American to disagree with ANYTHING they said or did because that would make them pro-terrorist, anti-Amreican and unpatriotic. It worked for several years, and many of those people are the ones that think Sarah Palin is the bee’s knee’s. I have been living in Europe for over 21 years and I too feel like I miss a certain layer of the action, but this much I understood.

6 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

From http://www.propublica (dot) org/scandal/troopergate/

“Palin initially denied that she or anyone on her staff pressured Monegan about Wooten, but she was forced to change her story after evidence emerged from an investigation by the attorney general that she requested in early August.
On August 13, she held a press conference announcing that the investigation had uncovered a tape (MP3) of one of her aides pressuring a state trooper on Wooten. On the tape, a Palin aide asked the trooper, “Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, ‘Why on earth hasn’t this, why is this guy still representing the department?’”

At the press conference, Palin admitted that members of her staff had contacted public safety officials two dozen times about the issue, but she maintains that many of these inquiries were entirely appropriate and denied all involvement. She said Monegan was fired because he wasn’t doing enough to fill state trooper vacancies and control alcohol abuse. She later said that Monegan was insubordinate.”

Is this true? There was an MP3?

6 10 2008
Jamie, expat in France

I am sending this as a separate blog because I am hoping someone in Alaska can answer a couple of questions :
Let’s say Palin wasn’t a candidate for VP, and she were found guilty of abuse of power in BOTH the workman’s comp thing and the Troopergate thing, what would her punishment be? A slap on the wrist? Discipline? Impeachment? Prison?
Now let’s say she is found guilty of both and whatever discipline she receives falls – will the punishment be strong enough that she be required to quit the ticket?
Is there any noise circulating about which way this all may fall?
Thanks – Jamie (I and my 2 sons vote absentee ballot in Florida – and already have sent them in. Go Obama/Biden)

6 10 2008
lovethecounty

Does anybody else think that our emails to the councils have made this change of heart possible? May be AG has some friends in that council and they can predict the pressure coming from all over the country and advised him to surrender?

lets hope that our emails made the difference.

6 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Wow!! Seems the Gov underestimated your strenth & determination. Totally impressive!!

Love reading this site. It’s a breath of fresh air to see truth. Keep up the great work holding them to the fire.

Question — Anything similar to impeaching a President that can be used on a Governor??? That would be kewl!!

6 10 2008
SMR

As an Alaskan I’m hoping that should scarah be found guilty of abuse of power that she will be recalled/impeached. I know next to nothing about the details of how those things are accomplished, but I believe it calls for petitions or votes from the legislature (votes from all those republican legislators? – in which case it would never happen). Anyway, I like to think that she will be back here on Nov 5th and forced to face the music.

@sauerkraut: Yes, there really are tapes of her Bailey guy, who was placed on paid leave and now is back to work, phoning up & badgering people about Wooten & Monegan. I hope that there are several tapes and that the one that we in AK have all heard is only the tip of the iceberg. Her initial reason given for Monegan’s firing was the typical politician-speak “going in a new direction.” At that point she said that she’d offered him a position with the Alcohol something or other (less pay & worse job) and he’d declined. Of course if that was the case why, then, was her next excuse that she offered the public that he was not doing enough to combat the alcohol problems in Bush (rural) Alaska? Let me tell you something about that, alcohol problems in ALL of Alaska are HUGE, one guy subjected to petty battles with the gov cannot be expected to turn that around in less than 2 years. Anyway, it wasn’t until she was picked to help out mclame that she came up with the b.s. about Monegan being a “rogue” and unauthorized travel and all of that other complete bullsh*t. As you all know it has now taken on a life of its own. I’ve talked with a local lawyer friend of mine about it and from a legal standpoint there really wasn’t much to it until the mclame thugs entered into the deal. If she’d have said sorry, here’s your job back, or something to that effect back in July it would have long since blown over with no huge repercussions for her. She could have milked the “Wooten is a horrible scourge” thing and gotten lots of sympathy from a lot of Alaskans. The problem with that is that while Wooten doesn’t seem particularly likeable (wouldn’t want to be married to him myself), the big taser incident happened with scarah’s sister IN THE ROOM, the illegal hunting thing is something that happens all of the time here — everyone in the family applies for permits for animals, but in very few families are there more than one who is willing to do the shooting, and of course the drinking in his squad car was proved to be untrue, blah blah blah, turns out that most everything that she said about him was investigated many years ago and proved to be untrue. Now that everyone knows more about her, what we know shows that she cannot be believed. She is a pathological liar.

@PJ/Anne/Jamie: Thanks for the feedback. Since we were gone in the build-up to the 2004 election I got to miss a lot of the hysteria, but even from overseas it was pretty well telegraphed, the deliberate building up of fear of terror/terrorists amongst Americans, beating into the heads of everyone that any day could bring a new 9/11 and GW would be the only one capable of deflecting that or defeating it. Sadly it worked. Now, of course, you see that mclame has got scarah on the job of attempting to do the same thing. Now Americans are supposed to be stupid enough to believe that Ayers represents some sort of Bin Laden within America and that an 8 year old Obama was carrying his pipe bombs in his school bag.

That all of that is so huge here, the hate & fear & religious fanatacism (sp?), is what has me confused and wondering what in the hell is wrong with this country that we’ve come back to. I cannot get my head around the fact that there is such a huge part of the US committed to hating on anyone with different beliefs. I know of two rabid evangelical people who believe everything the righttolife.org site says, spout evil horrible stuff about Obama being a baby killer, and they have BOTH had more than one abortion! Where in the hell is all of this hypocrisy coming from???? I guess that I would not want to be able to understand what makes people like that, I think it would mess with my head too much. Some days I wonder if this is a country that can be healed, really healed, or if even if Obama gets elected, and even gets re-elected, that there will still be that simmering resentment going on and the hatefulness will come back 8 years from now. If it’s that way what is the point of staying?

6 10 2008
ronnierayjenkins

One morning, I awoke with a case erectile patriotism, and decided to pen a tribute to this woman:

6 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

SMR, thank you for responding. You never know, if the Republican Legislators are the same ones to provide evidence, it might be their hands are too deep into the pot. When push comes to shove, they may have to turn on that dime to save their own butts!! Once one can of worms opens, watch out for the flood gates bursting apart.

Keep the butt fires burning!! McDaddy & Bobsled Barbie & all their whacked peons figure they are above all. Surprise!! Surprise!! Don’t underestimate people when they get fired up with the truth!!

6 10 2008
Unrepentant Liberal

I’m pretty interested in her shady tax filings as it relates to her per-diem payments and some of Todd’s ‘deductions.’ I wonder who prepared their taxes because it seems that either they didn’t have a good understanding of the tax law and accounting or they were trying to pull a fast one.

This post at BlueOregon dissects it better than I can.http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/10/jack-bog-had-it.html

6 10 2008
SMR

@Canadian Neighbor:

This is all quite insane. I continue to be amazed at the levels to which the GOP are willing to sink. On the positive side, my husband is working in Canada, waiting for the girls & I to join him there (our oldest graduates this year, so putting off the whole family move until after that), and I’ve told him to find out how we can apply for political asylum if the rethuglicans win! What comes of this Troopergate stuff and what the numbers are at the polls here in AK will determine how I will feel forevermore about this state in which I was born & raised. If Alaska & Alaskans can’t move beyond partisanship to ensure that people are held accountable and that good people are not dragged through the mud to satisfy the desire for power of bad people, well, then I don’t want to be here ever again. I can’t wait for Nov 5th, for this election nightmare to be over.

6 10 2008
Jane

Boy, is Wikipedia up to date!

I just read their Keating Five and at the very last paragraph, they tell of the release of Obama’s video in response to Palin’s Ayers attack.

It is quite the read and especially significant here in Colorado where the patriarchs’ Busch Baby Boy, now Gov of Florida(?), was instrumental in the beginning of the last S & L crisis that started here. Gee, he seems to have skated, I’ve always wondered about that.

6 10 2008
DrChill

SMR (20:20:44) :

@Dr. Chill, re: Jason Leopold article:

Not so sure that I believe anything that guy Jason writes. If you google him you’ll find that he is quite controversial. I am hoping that AKM had another source when she wrote about the flipping WC employee, because Jason’s articles really aren’t that credible…

=====
I googled the direct quotes of the AG, and found other sources quoting him.
The following seem relevant:

” or for the governor or her staff to receive that information — in the course and scope of their official duties,” the attorney general wrote.

“The governor or her staff may, in the course and scope of their official duties, review a confidential personnel file to ensure, for example, that an employee is adequately supervised, appropriately evaluated, and appropriately disciplined. In appropriate cases, the governor may also direct the termination of a state employee.”

6 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Palin)

@SMR (22:46:34) :

Have those horrible people never really changed and have just been biding their time?
————————————————————

The short answer is yes. The slightly longer answer is yes, but there may be fewer of them than there were, say, thirty years ago.

One thing that has changed a lot from 2004, and very, very much from 2000:
political coverage (both official and unofficial) on the web. Severe, non-factual, negative political ads have existed since at least Lee Atwater in Reagan’s days. Oh, let’s be fair, the Goldwater-will-start-WWIII ads in 1964 were pretty far over the top. But, mostly, they have been run in targeted markets, for maximum bang for the buck. Until the late 90′s, if you didn’t live in an area that was shown a negative ad, there would be a good chance you’d never know about it. Living in AK, you’ve probably never been exposed to that much negativity, because neither party would think it would change the outcome. Can you recall, e.g., if the Bush I “Willie Horton” ads ran in AK?

Now, because of the tubes, we all get to hear about all the negative ads, even if they’re localized elsewhere.

Incidentally, brace yourself for a real snotstorm of them, because the Palin/McCain campaign is now desperate to change the subject.

BTW, if you voted against W in 2004, you were WAY ahead of the curve among your co-partisans. Thank you.

6 10 2008
kpsilverman

McCain is lying to the American people, and selling his soul to get elected. He is consistently putting his country second (if that) and Palin is perfect proof. She is completely incompetent and unqualified, possibly to a criminal extent.

Read more at kpsilverman.wordpress.com. Join the movement. Fight the system.

6 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

SMR,
Thanks for the laugh — Political asylum!! Well, if you hop in a boat and float down the coast, look at them with a blank look as of course you can’t speak English — you might have it made!!!!

We too are in the midst of federal elections. The way they play — all politicians are the same. They’d screw their mother given the opportunity — Power!! The difference — our Prime Minister election — 6 weeks long. Our local feds also running and I know 1 person — have no idea who else. Very little in area newspapers. Local doesn’t catch TV news. So if you don’t dig around to find out — it’s a crap shoot. They don’t look for us — we have to basically search them out except for 1 piece of mail we would get talking about themselves. If I passed them on the street, wouldn’t have a clue. Big thing — not this outrageous gobs of money that is spend on primaries & election. My mouth drops seeing the $$$. Run TV ads for PM, negative & all!!! No Primaries. The only info they have as to what party we belong is from last election but that can’t be relied on so until the vote, it’s a surprise for them. For Prime Minister we have 5 parties. One is for Quebec only. 3 are main parties. Other is called Green but more the spoiler than anything. Call it your Perot/Nader!!

So simply put, Canada can call an election and have the election in less time than your party conventions to your actual vote. If I had to go through the length of time like yours, I would be afraid of breaking a TV or 2.

Can work both ways for you — neither of them good. If the RePugs did win, you would then have to elect new Gov. If they loose — she comes back. Which is the lesser of two evils Hmmmmm!!!

Good luck whenever you do hop over the border. No worry, there’s no fences there to get snagged on.

7 10 2008
Jamie, expat in France

SMR: 2 scary stories:
1) my brother, the only Republican in the family, voted for GWB in 2000, an election that was stolen, especially in Florida where he lives and where I vote by absentee ballot. In 2004, he saw the light and voted Kerry. When GWB “won” the election I asked him if he really truly thought that GWB had won Florida, and he told me this story: My bro’ is an engineer who works in an office of 30 college-educated engineers. He told me that out of 30, 3 voted for Kerry, 27 voted for Bush in 2004. He said, that in asking around, he realized that of the 27 who voted for Bush, only 2 or 3 read newspapers, watched the news, and understood enough of the issues to have made some kind of reasonable choice. The other 24-25, when asked about how they felt about certain issues (even the Iraq War), stared at my brother blankly and said “don’t know anything about that, I don’t follow the news”. So when asked why they voted for Bush answered “because he is a man of God!”.
2) Yesterday I decided to go on-line to read what my former local paper, Florida Today, was saying about the election and the polls, and took a look at some of the articles about Palin where readers could add comments. I was horrified!!! I realized how many redneck (in Florida we call them Crackers) apparently uneducated local residents had added violent, lie-filled comments. It showed the level of ignorant, one-issue voters there are out there.
Now I saw that Palin spoke in Clearwater, Fla yesterday and her speech was filled with lies (even lies that have been proven to be lies), false accusations with racist undertones (encouraging some in the crowd to shout out blatently racist remarks that she never corrected), accusations about “the media” for asking her questions (heavens!), and she apparently was overjoyed, elated to be able to dig deeper and dirtier and that on the heels of her “raging success” in the debate the McCain campaign has apparently given her the go-ahead to say anything, no matter how despicable, she wants.

7 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein Palin)

Manhattan Project vs a million garages is the stupidest question about technology development I’ve ever heard. And it was Brokaw’s.




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