Troopergate’s Strange Bedfellows.

22 09 2008

Alaska politics is making strange bedfellows these days. Last week Wasilla conservative Republican, and Alaska State Senate President Lyda Green spoke with KUDO, the progressive talk radio station. Green was one of Palin’s mentors at the beginning of her career. But years went by, and the two began to disagree. There were power-plays, and barbs thrown. Palin appeared on a conservative radio program in which the DJ said he was going to say what Palin couldn’t about Green. “She’s a B**ch!” Response from Palin? Giggling. “She’s a cancer!” More giggling. And yes, Lyda Green is a cancer survivor. Eventually, Green decided that she no longer could work for the Legislature while Palin was governor. Her constituents were rabidly pro-Palin and the writing was on the wall. So Green announced she would not be running for re-election in November. This was big news when it happened, back in the day when we weren’t in the national spotlight.

So Lyda Green, who was intensely disliked by the Democratic Party (although they never called her names on the air) made an I-have-nothing-to-lose appearance on KUDO. She came right out and said that the investigation should and would proceed, and that nothing had changed. We were seeking the truth when it all started, and we still are. What followed were calls of praise and admiration from the very ‘blue’ listening audience…. It was like something out of the Twilight Zone.

Now from the progressive community who normally wants to see his head on a pike,there’s another uber-conservative pundit who is engendering praise – Dan Fagan. Dan Fagan is a notorious right wing radio talking head, turned columnist in the Anchorage Daily News. The ADN is frequently criticized by the vast right-wing community in Anchorage as being a “socialist rag”. So they hired Dan Fagan, and now they can say “Well, what about Dan Fagan??” and cross their arms. Fagan frequently talks in matter-of-fact terms about “liberal bias” in the media, and now he has a “liberal media” nest in which to comfortably perch, and continue to do just that. And anyone unfortunate enough to walk under the nest will likely have a ‘deposit’ land on their head.

But there is one thing that Dan Fagan is not at the moment, and that is a Palin fan. If you’ll recall the emails from Sarah Palin’s hacked Yahoo! account that made it on the web, there was an exchange between Palin and her Lt. Governor Sean Parnell, bemoaning Fagan’s treatment of Parnell (a congressional candidate at the time) during his appearance as a guest on Fagan’s radio show. In Palin’s email response, she said,

“His fighting you reveals some evil stuff going on with him. Does he want someone OPPOSED to the life issue in Congress?”

“Evil?” Zounds! Fagan’s been called a lot of names, but I don’t think he’s ever been called ‘evil’. And, do we infer that Palin thinks that everyone out there who believes in reproductive choice has “evil stuff going on” with them?

This brings us to today. Fagan has come out with an interesting opinion piece in the Anchorage Daily News. Here’s a bit of what he had to say:

The real damage to Palin from Troopergate comes with an injury claim involving trooper Wooten when he hurt his back while in the line of duty.

Independent investigator Steve Branchflower testified recently he believes someone in the governor’s office tried to block Wooten’s workers’ compensation injury benefits.

Harbor Adjustment Services, the company hired by the state to process, evaluate and decide on workers’ benefit claims, had great financial incentive in bowing to pressure from the governor to deny Wooten’s injury claim.

Obviously, the state is Harbor Adjustment Services’ largest client. The owner of the company denies the governor’s office pressured her to deny Wooten’s benefits. Why wouldn’t she? Ratting out the governor could cost her the lucrative state contract.

But Branchflower says an employee with Harbor Adjustment Services contradicts the owner and has testified the governor’s office did apply pressure to deny Wooten his benefits.

Branchflower says the unnamed employee testified, “I don’t, you know, care if it’s the president who wants the claim denied. I’m not going to deny it unless I have the medical evidence to do that,”

We know the governor’s office was very interested in Wooten. Dianne Kiesel, a state employee with the Department of Administration, tells me former Palin chief of staff Mike Tibbles instructed her to walk Wooten’s personnel file over to the governor’s office.

And there is the governor’s aide, Frank Bailey, caught on tape admitting he has information that came from Wooten’s workers’ comp file.

The very file that includes pictures, taken by none other than Todd Palin, of Wooten riding a snowmachine trying to prove the trooper was not injured.

Here’s why this is all so damaging to the governor. It’s one thing to try to get a trooper fired because you believe he is a danger to the public. But using your considerable power as governor to block the benefits of a former family member you have a long-running dispute with moves this scandal into a new realm.

It becomes about one thing and one thing only, revenge. Not public good, but settling a score.

Fagan is correct in that this angle on Troopergate hasn’t been explored deeply. We get hung up on tasers, and ex-wives, and affairs, and ‘rogue cops’, but the thing that may stick, is Palin’s tampering with the worker’s compensation claim. With Al Capone, it was tax evasion…you just never know.

It was only a week or so ago that the unnamed employee from Harbor Adjustment Services came out with her information to investigator Stephen Branchflower’s “tip line”. And it has also only recently been revealed that part of the file includes photos of Wooten on a snowmachine, taken by Todd Palin while he was out collecting evidence to use against Wooten. Yes, at one point our “First Dude” Todd Palin was following Mike Wooten around to ‘get something’ on him.

John Cyr, the head of the PSEA (the Troopers’ union), who was interviewed extensively on Anchorage’s KUDO radio says that if those 1100 emails the Palin administration is withholding (claiming executive privilege) were released, they would show that Palin had used her office to keep tabs on Wooten. Cyr, who filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the documents was told it would cost $88,000 to fulfill his request. “That seems a little steep,” said Cyr, “and suspicious.”

19 days and counting until special investigator Stephen Branchflower’s report on his findings in this investigation.


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22 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Sorry, just really wanted to get here first…

22 09 2008
Political Amazon

I was reviewing the State of Alaska’s website, and it is very helpful to Alaskans. It gives pretty clear information, and even directions on how to accomplish certain things…

SUCH AS LAUNCHING A RECALL.

Really, how much can Alaskans be expected to take from Sarah Palin and her husband, Todd, who was not elected but seems to consider himself a co-Governor?

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Thanks for the update AKM. Kudos to them going ahead with the report. I would be so furious to have my state run by the McCain campaign. These voices must be heard.

22 09 2008
hw40

Are we ever going to see the real story behind Troopergate? Here from South Africa, I certainly hope so.. Thanks AKM from Africa for what you’re doing for democracy.

22 09 2008
pvazwindy

We need to get this out to the MSM-BINGO

22 09 2008
Anonymous

A few clicks on a computer costs 88,000 ???? I want that job………sounds like a load of MOOSESHIT.!!!!!!

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

How is our friend – Anne Kilkenny – whose brave voice led me and many others to Mudflats? I hope she is doing well.

22 09 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Does anyone in Alaska have a sense of what the October 10 report might contain? Is there any chance it will be damaging to Palin considering they have hit such a brick wall re: witnesses testifying? Or will it just be inconclusive?

Yes. In my opinion there is a definite chance it could be damaging. AKM

22 09 2008
Brian

It’s not who supports you on the way up; it’s who you step on and try to crush that comes back to bite you.

22 09 2008
Grammy a/k/a Commando Coalfire Palin

It will probably be inconclusive – isn’t that how it always turns out when there’s a massive cover up and no cooperation from the parties involved? Thus, I am skeptical!!

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22 09 2008
Hokahay

Pray or Prey

1st: Thank you AkMuckraker. For livin’ in the mud – you’ve got remarkable clarity.

2nd: A question: Does Palin naturally gravitate to the hunt? Is politics a big-game sport for her? Have there been periods where she hasn’t been looking to bag something or someone? OK – a few questions – but they’re all asking the same thing.

This question came up because I was looking through Ray Troll’s website (a fantastic Alaskan artist – http://www.trollart.com). He’s got a tee-shirt with a family of bears going after a hiker with the phrase “A Family that Preys Together Stays Together.” It got me wondering if Palin may be as predisposed to prey as she is to pray.

22 09 2008
antsy

Wow AKM, TY for collecting this information for us. We are especially grateful for your gift of telling the story so we understand it. You are wonderful at laying out the history, the players etc. without totally losing me. Lot to digest. Lot of bad baggage with the first family of AK

22 09 2008
marti

RECALL! RECALL! Strange bedfellows indeed – Dan Fagan? He hasn’t been a fan of hers – but my god – it is time to act – RECALL! I’m headed to the state website.

22 09 2008
RW

WOW! This story gets more interesting all the time. I hope that all these happenings in Alaska ( along with all of McCains gaffes in the last week), will put both Palin and McCain off their game for the debates.

22 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

I’m still waiting for Troopergate to really hit the European press. Should be interesting when it does, as I think Europe is feeling pretty anti-Palin anyway.

Criticism of the choice of world leaders she’ll be meeting (no European ones):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/22/uselections2008.sarahpalin

22 09 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

Holy crap, who else is watching CNN?!

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

John Cyr should open up a Paypal account specifically for anyone interested in donating a couple of bucks towards that ridiculous $88,000.00.

I’m not rich but I’d contribute.

It would only take 8800 of us to reach that amount at $10.00 a pop.

If it never got spent, it could all be refunded to the donors.

22 09 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

Tony Alamo is insane!

22 09 2008
marti

I just emailed the governor’s office asking for info on how to start a recall – i couldn’t find it easily. Am I naive in thinking we live in a democracy?

22 09 2008
Lori

As an HR Manager I can tell you that Worker’s Comp claims, by law, are not part of a personnel file. An employee’s manager has a right to review the employee’s personnel file but their WC file. That state employee that “walked” the personnel file and the WC file over to the governor’s office broke the law. If the state of Alaska is combining WC files with employee’s personnel files, the state is breaking the law. It is called a breach of confidentiality. Most employer’s keep even benefit election/selection documents separate from personnel files.

WC is rife with fraud but there are mechanisms and procedures in place to blow the whistle if you believe an employee has committed WC fraud. An employer perusing an employee’s WC file is not one of them. Trooper Wooten could sue the state for breaching his confidentiality. I would want to know what other employee files the governor’s office has requested.

22 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

88K for emails? Wow!

22 09 2008
Waxman

Working the Refs:

The McCain Campaign has launched a new all out attach on the New York Times – A newspaper that has had the audacity to investigate and report on their their Lies and their VP pick who is unwilling to talk to anyone.

If you don’t have a game to bring, then work the Refs -The McCain campaign really has this down pat.

They can’t figure out why anyone would want to investigate their vice presidential candidate who is under an gag order from the campaign to prevent her from saying something that exposes the the outrageously poor political decision the campaign made in selecting her.

They can’t figure out why anyone should call them out on their lies.

They can’t figure out why anyone should call them out on all the bluster that has defined their response to every critical event over the last two months.

My Advice, if you want to be president, act presidential – act as though you care at least as much about America and the American People as you care about your own ego – Stop this “Win at any Cost” mentality.

As a country, we are “lucky” to have (and I can’t believe I’m saying this) George Bush at the reigns with his steady hand during this time of crisis. This is not an endorsement of Bush, but rather a recognition of just how crazy the John McCain campaign has become.

Imagine if over the past month we would have had John McCain – Or worse yet, Governor Palin (who mantra is I will not blink when faced with any issue, regardless of how little I know about it) and the First Dood out there in charge…. Yikes!!!!

22 09 2008
MJC

HOLY MOLEY!!! Time for us to put our boots on again because this is now at the waste deep level!!

22 09 2008
Lori

Sorry – that should read “An employee’s manager has a right to review the employee’s personnel file but NOT their WC file.”

22 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin

wow, unbelievable i definitely cannot wait until we get the report.

decoy what is happening on cnn?

22 09 2008
bree

Why won’t Palin ever give a Press Conference?

Why is Palin stonewalling the Troopergate investigation?

Why won’t Palin release her Tax Returns and Medical Records?

What is Sarah Palin covering up? WHAT IS SARAH PALIN HIDING?!

Where is her “Reform, Accountability and Transparency in Government” she keeps talking about?

22 09 2008
karen

Palin & her first dude are Dick Cheney all wrapped in a bundle. They’re mean, vindictive, self righteous, hypocrites & most of all dangerous. These people give REAL Christians a bad name. Please Please Alaskans stay on this, demand the truth, demand justice, & protest the McCain lawyers “take over” & cover up. I am praying God helps you. I want my country back, I want my constitution back, & I want my son in the military to live to be 72!

22 09 2008
Engine Nighthawk Palin

That is incredible! Thanks AKM!

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

I’m watching now Ky.

Arrgh.

22 09 2008
Commando Coalfire Palin

Those emails must be pretty long for that kind of cost – they are talking about the cost for copying, etc. I think the State charges 50 cents a page.

I am ready to send in my $10 so tell Cyr he’s got $20 so far!

22 09 2008
MJC

Oh, so this is the Government business that Todd Palin was doing that justified all the per diems he collected!!!

22 09 2008
22 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

bree (11:47:32) :

Why won’t Palin ever give a Press Conference?

Why is Palin stonewalling the Troopergate investigation?

Why won’t Palin release her Tax Returns and Medical Records?

What is Sarah Palin covering up? WHAT IS SARAH PALIN HIDING?!

Where is her “Reform, Accountability and Transparency in Government” she keeps talking about?
********************************

Who the hell is Sarah Palin? The rest of don’t know and I don’t think Alaskans know either!!!!

22 09 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

That Tony Alamo guy that was arrested for child molestation (he runs some sort of church) is on. I can’t even explain all the crap that he was spewing. Um..saying the bible states you can start having sex with girls once they hit puberty. Yeah. He backtracked near the end, but I still feel disgusted. He was really rude to the reporter, too.

Blech!

22 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin

ok i like kimbers idea. let’s start a fundraiser. can it be done, is it legal for us to raise the $ ?

22 09 2008
Laura

While I assume $88,000 is outrageous, how difficult woudl it be to raise $88,000. Well, might be a little difficult unless we get a big donor. Would newspapers have that much money for a story? Hmmm.

But what about if $10,000 was raised. Call their bluff – they didn’t claim privilege, they claimed administrative expense. If $10,000 was raised, I wonder if one or two folks with substantial resources would supply more in the name of honesty, political fairness. I wonder if the governor’s office would still claim the $88,000 needs to be raised. I would think that the governor might not want the PR problem of insisting on $88,000 for emails. It might not make big news if it never happens, but suppose it did.
And if the $10,000 doesn’t do it, it could be donated to charity – something non-controversial. Maybe for rape kits for Wasilla?

BTW, $88,000 sounds like some kind of formula. Anyone know what it is.

22 09 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

kimbers Chop Meth Palin (11:48:06) :

I’m watching now Ky.

Arrgh.
****************
OMG, how horrible was that?! I’m so scared, now. There are more people out there, just like him. I’m walking my daughter to school until she’s through college.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

AKM – Thanks again for helping us “wipe the lipstick off that pitbull!”

With Al Capone, it was tax evasion…you just never know.🙂 LOVE IT!

22 09 2008
Alex

oops, big link mistake up there, sorry about that

22 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Sorry to change the subject back to the rape kit issue, but someone on the previous thread pointed out that all the left have to do is to wait for the right to shoot themselves in the foot. McPalin’s campaign have done that – again – as they are claiming she was unaware that Wasilla charged the victim, which rather begs the question – how could she not know???
To quote from CNN’s article “It’s incomprehensible to me that this could be a rogue police chief and not a policy decision. It lasted too long and it was too high-profile”

I love the comments at the end, and this seems to have been the final straw for some:
“Palin was mayor of the town and had no idea this was going on? If Palin obviously can’t take care of a small town how can she take care of an entire country? I have been on the fence the entire time on who to vote for, but I don’t think I can vote for Palin. There is no excuse for her not knowing this was happening in her own town.”

22 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin

i think it would get a message out the the american people want to know who this lady is if we started a fundraiser. someone in the MSM would pick it up. and yes, i think a big donor would come in too if we raised say $10, 000

22 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

following Dooode’s logic — those 500 miles he rode the snowmachine with a broken arm must mean his arm was not really broken?

i am actually a bit tickled that i had already read the ADN this morning (hahahaha). what is wrong with the world??? i don’t even read my own state newspaper.

going back to OBAMAsign watch duty….. still HARD rock palin

22 09 2008
AZtopcat

This church is one of the fundamentalist types Palin belong to? Just askin?

22 09 2008
antsy

@ Lori

Thanks for your incite on this. It sounds like a lot will eventually come of this — I hope it happens in time to save us from this couple.

22 09 2008
MJC

Alex,
You are correct in that Troopergate will not change the minds of her base supporters, but it can change the minds of those sitting on the fence, like independant voters.

22 09 2008
Mikeylikesit2

View slideshow from Anti-Palin rally this Sunday in Anchorage, AK

go to:

http://bigshow.bigfolio.com/?s=000011662&t=0e6a8ae03101be65098418ccb735e4a1

22 09 2008
pvazwindy

When Branchflower finishes the report on 10-10, will it be made public, or held until the Alaska legislature reconvenes?

22 09 2008
BigSlick

TROLL ALERT

Posts such as the one by poster Greg are a great example of a hibernating troll popping up to take a public crap on this site.

Ms. AKM, tear down that troll!

Done! And all of you, please feel free to email me when you spot one! I don’t mind respectful disagreement, but spent last night troll hunting…. grr. The more eyes out for trolls the better!
AKM

22 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

I love Sen. Baraba Mikulski fire on the senate floor!!!!

she says no to the bill!!!

must have accountability!!!!

22 09 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

AZtopcat (11:55:46) :

This church is one of the fundamentalist types Palin belong to? Just askin?
*******
Nonono! Sorry I should have clarified! I believe he actually runs his own church.

22 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin

troopergate, the rape kits, supporting hunting from airplanes, and bounties on wolves these will all change the fence sitters. definitely

22 09 2008
Soldotna Sue

You know, I really believe that our illustrious governor thinks she can do anything she damn well pleases, because after all, she’s the “top dog” (Pit Bull)and no one would dare question her! Sneaking into someone’s personnel file is pretty darn low, and pretty darn illegal! How would you feel if state authorities were looking into your personnel file without your permission or even your knowledge?! I’d be madder than hell!

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

BigSlick (11:57:56) :

TROLL ALERT

Posts such as the one by poster Greg are a great example of a hibernating troll popping up to take a public crap on this site.

Ms. AKM, tear down that troll!

BigSlick – SPOT ON! DID YOU E-MAIL AKM?

22 09 2008
Corejay

What’s going on on CNN? I can’t get it over here in Europe.

22 09 2008
Read my lipstick

Before embarking on revenge, dig two graves. – Confucious;

22 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin

yes do not click on greg’s post about obama as a pimp. c’mon that is absurd

22 09 2008
Halcrow

I have an awful lot of respect for the little people in Alaska whose hearts and courage led them to stand up and tell the truth about the Wooten matter.

I’m presuming that in Alaska it’s quite difficult to obtain year-round employment with a decent rate of pay and good benefits; risking that takes mighty big cajones, especially when Sarah Palin’s record for vindictiveness
must be common knowledge within the civil service and the community.

Thank you, Alaskans.

22 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Mudflatters,

that bill can not go through as presented. It cold be devastating on the american people. Paulson is trying to keep his a$$ from going under. I bet he has wall street in his back pocket somehow. It is just shameful out government is willing to sell us out for wall street.

22 09 2008
bPoint

What are the chances of Alaska going to Obama/Biden on Nov. 4th?
My take? Unlikely, but not impossible. Much will depend on what happens between now and then. AKM

22 09 2008
MJC

Helllo A Brit abroad,
You posted:
“Palin was mayor of the town and had no idea this was going on? If Palin obviously can’t take care of a small town how can she take care of an entire country? ***PRICELESS!

***** We can make the same arguement about McShame not knowing how many houses he owns!

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Soldotna Sue (11:59:40) :

You know, I really believe that our illustrious governor thinks she can do anything she damn well pleases, because after all, she’s the “top dog” (Pit Bull)and no one would dare question her! Sneaking into someone’s personnel file is pretty darn low, and pretty darn illegal! How would you feel if state authorities were looking into your personnel file without your permission or even your knowledge?! I’d be madder than hell!

Soldotna Sue,

CALL ME PARANOID, you wouldn’t be the first to do so, but I already think federal authorities are rifling through ALL of my personal and personnel files at will…and they have made it legal to do so under the Patriot Act!

22 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Senator Webb is on the floor of Senate now talking about the bill.

22 09 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra (11:54:30)
I totally agree! This was a major story in 2000! I remember my grandmother talking to me about it, and being disgusted that anyone would charge a victim for the investigation.

For me, this ONE issue includes everything wrong with how Palin runs things.

She fired the police chief, and hired a new one of her own.
She was not standing up for victim’s/women’s rights.
The kit included a contraceptive, which Palin does not believe in, because of her religious views.
She claims to be a fiscal reformer, but she cut a much needed service, not something frivolous like, oh….a sports arena.

I know there are more, but my head is starting to spin!

22 09 2008
bwilder

So is she still holding that 80% approval rating in Alaska?
I’m curious about that and if the events of the last few weeks have
changed the local opinion at all??

Anyone know the answer to this?

22 09 2008
Sad In Red State Texas

Do Not Feed The Troll

22 09 2008
Erin

For the first time in my life on Friday, I went home and told my husband, “I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with everything Dan Fagan is saying.” Go Dan!

I just posted about the Worker’s Comp issue on my site. The ADN says the name of the former employee who is speaking out is Johanna Grasso. At least someone’s telling the truth.

22 09 2008
Erin

Anyone know the difference between a recall and an impeachment?

22 09 2008
AZtopcat

It seems to me if you have a ex brother-inlaw who is employed and healthy therefore, he can pay child support for his kids. This is better for everyone (even if he is a pig), so I think destroying him would not be in the best interest of his family. Her logic shows she is vindictive.

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

Well, I just sent an email to Mr Cyr with my suggestion. At the very least, he knows that there’s a whole lot of us everywhere who want to help.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Cynthia, TX (12:04:06) :

Senator Webb is on the floor of Senate now talking about the bill.

Cynthia,
Thanks for the heads-up. I have a lot of respect for Webb. When Obama’s president, I hope he takes a long look at Jim Webb’s strategies for how our military might best be used.

22 09 2008
AZtopcat

Palin can’t even take care of her family.

22 09 2008
Linda in Virginia

This site may have been posted before, but there are so many posts to read I can’t always keep up!! (A good thing!!). Anyway, this is a very comprehensive compilation of SP issues and videos. The site invites submissions of other relevant info.

http://dailysource.org/palin

22 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Ky Fork – I don’t want to pick holes in what you say (because I fundamentally agree with you), but I just can’t find anything to back up the Palin being anti-contraception thing… if someone can find something definite about it I’d be grateful. I know she opposed sex ed, which may have the same results as opposing contraception, but it’s not quite the same thing…

Why do I have Monty Python’s Every Sperm is Sacred running through my brain right now…??? Can’t be healthy.

22 09 2008
marti

I would contribute to that.

22 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

I did find one ref to a statement about Palin’s anti/pro contraception chance that was linked to an ADN article… which is now missing…

22 09 2008
MJC

A Brit abroad,
Oh yes, she is definitely anti-contraception. That is part of her platform. That’s ONE of the reasons she has the Catholic vote, and is also why she is getting beat down about her teenage daughter’s pregnancy.

22 09 2008
Gossip Rocks Forum

Alaska’s Troopergate’s Strange Bedfellows…

Troopergate……

22 09 2008
kimosabe

A while back someone posted here, I think, a picture of Sarah Palin’s parents in their living room surrounded by what must be hundreds of skins, trophies, antlers, skulls, and other bits of dead animals. Does anyone have a link to that picture? It seems to me that Palin’s bloodlust — including her advocacy of aerial wolf hunting and a bounty paid by cutting off their paws — would do more to quash her popularity with “ordinary” people than most any other issue. You don’t need to be anti-hunting to be repulsed by the kill-kill-kill mentality of the Palin tribe.

22 09 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

I think her stance has been really wishy-washy. Also, I get the feeling the pill is the “morning after” pill, which might walk a fine line for her. Sorry, I am not articulating well, today. : ( I stayed up too late last night watching that damn sign!

22 09 2008
CRWS in WA

AKMuckraker: Thank you for your diligence, not to mention the surge of bandwidth and information you and your fellow bloggers there up north have supplied to us here in the lower 48. This Republican dynasty and it’s corrupt adminstration must be stopped at all costs to ensure the freedom of blue & red alike.

22 09 2008
NY911Witness

A state Senator from Ak was on Rachel Maddow and he said Branchflower- another much regarded, yet seemingly blindsidedly reviled by the McPalin campaign- had already gotten sworn statements regrdless of whether or not the Usual Suspects were going to testify.

Avoiding subpeonas only makes them look guiltier, imho.

22 09 2008
lurkaloo

PBS’ Bill Moyers NOW is taking a poll on whether you think Palin is qualified to run as VP of the US- please take a moment to go to this url and vote- I did and it takes 5 seconds.

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

So far the majority is saying “yes”– yikes!!

22 09 2008
Icy Russia Palin

Can someone talk Kinko’s or Staple’s or even some local printer to offer free copy services? Good deed on their part. And yeah, can’t believe I’m following Fagan and Green’s every word now….

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

We should all be watching C-SPAN now, as Cynthia in TX suggested. This debate about the trillion dollar bail out is well worth listening to!

22 09 2008
Tom from PA

Just to make you aware of today’s poll #s

North Carolina-typically very red +3 McCain…still well in reach
Nevada-also normally red…only +1 McCain
Pennsylvania….recently slipped into 2 ties..now +2 Obama..followinf a +5 Obama
Minnesota…recently slipped into toss-up status…+8 Obama
Virginia….been red all season….now an amazing +6 Obama although it is only one poll

Only 4 more days to the first of the 8 potential “magic moments”

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

I am now officially in like with Dick Durbin!!!! He’s on fire!

22 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin

PBS’ Bill Moyers NOW is taking a poll on whether you think Palin is qualified to run as VP of the US- please take a moment to go to this url and vote- I did and it takes 5 seconds.

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

So far the majority is saying “yes”– yikes!!
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this poll has been hijacked by the repubs, you can vote as many times as you like thus making it unreliable. repubs had links on their blogs and have flooded it, so the poll is not to be trusted. i wouldn’t even bother going there

22 09 2008
Mainiac

Illinois Senator Dick Durbin on C-SPAN…very knowledgeable and well spoken re: bailout.

22 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

Hey, hold on a moment…1100 emails for $88,000 are you saying we need to pay $80 an email. She sure must have something she wants to hide, if they are already worth $80 a piece. And besides, I thought those were official state documents, was she doing state business or wasn’t she. If she wasn’t then she souldn’t be getting paid Gov wages. If she was then they belong to the state, right? If I lived iin AK, I’d be asking why I had to buy something that belongs to me.

Well, there goes her full discloser claim, so where are her open books now?
She has nothing to hide, but can show up to testify or will not turn over recored that will show what she is being paid to do…mmmm smells fishy in me.

22 09 2008
Grace

I was talking to a group of pro-Palin women and they are not going to be swayed by this Troopergate scandal. There’s too much detail for them, too much info to wade through.

These were not strongly pro-Republican women, they’re happy a woman in on the ticket. The only thing I can see influencing them away from Palin is if she puts in a terrible performance against Biden, or if one of the big, respected networks interviews her and she comes across as unfit for the job of VP.

I guess Katie Couric will go easy on Palin. I hope Biden does not have to do all the spadework against Palin.

22 09 2008
Lori

a Brit Abroad – well, I don’t think she’s ever come right out and said that she is anti-contraception. At least, I can’t find anything and believe me, I’ve looked. That view is probably extrapolated from her being a member of Feminists for Life. FFL believes the pill is an abortificiant and therefore should be banned. There is also some question on whether, during her time as mayor, the fact that the town charged sexual assualt victims for rape kits was based on rape kits usually containing “morning after” birth control which FFL also considers an abortificiant.

This is part of the difficulty with Palin. She refuses to answer any questions. Therefore, voters are left to their own devices and to extrapolate answers from what information is available about her.

Personally, I think the woman is a horror and I fear for this country if she is allowed to gain access to the federal government and all the power therein.

22 09 2008
Anonymous

reddit.com just posted all US Senator’s fax and phone #’s……..no to bailout….1 person in charge of 700 BILLION?????…….Paulson used to be CEO at Goldman Sachs……..WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!also there are 32 very important words in the language of the bailout……..huffpo has it ……..sorry do not know how to post it from site to site……….the 32 words will PISS you off!!!!!

22 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

lurkaloo (12:24:09) :

PBS’ Bill Moyers NOW is taking a poll on

Please don’t waste time or worry with this poll – already debunked as a fix.

22 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

My understanding is that the rape kits contained INFORMATION about EBC, not the actual pills.

In either case, it seems a total crock — a woman is raped, then is raped again by the city when she’s hit up for the kit ($1200! I saw somewhere), then has to go seek out info on EBC, then has to find a pharmacy and pharmacist willing to fill the damn prescription. All that before the case even goes to the DA, or before she has to face the inevitable attempt by the defense atty to portray her as responsible.

And people wonder why rape is so under-reported?!?!?!

22 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE,

WATCH THIS 4 minute excerpt of the ABC panel broadcast Sunday, Sept. 21,2008. It is the most powerful report I have ever seen in the mass media.

Then post it everywhere you can and forward it to everyone you know. This needs to go viral.

I hope MUDFLATS does a story on this.

Don’t forget to post your comments to this video.

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

EXCELLENT comment Waxman!
My Advice, if you want to be president, act presidential – act as though you care at least as much about America and the American People as you care about your own ego – Stop this “Win at any Cost” mentality.

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Dick Durbin is an outstanding senator – and mentor to Obama. Proud in Illinois.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

kimbers Chop Meth Palin (12:27:36) :

I am now officially in like with Dick Durbin!!!! He’s on fire!

kimbers,

I’m with you! He’s not gonna let this bill get “shoved down the throats of Congress” like the vote on the War in Iraq…if he can help it! His discussion with Webb was great.

C-SPAN is the channel of choice for inquiring minds today!

22 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin

i have not read that the rape kit included the am after pill either but some comments on cnn have said that. i’d like to know where that is coming from.

22 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ Eyes
The most important statement in this vid is the one by George WIll at the very end. How much more damning could he have been!

22 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Lori (11:45:59) :

As an HR Manager I can tell you that Worker’s Comp claims, by law, are not part of a personnel file. An employee’s manager has a right to review the employee’s personnel file but their WC file. That state employee that “walked” the personnel file and the WC file over to the governor’s office broke the law. If the state of Alaska is combining WC files with employee’s personnel files, the state is breaking the law. It is called a breach of confidentiality. Most employer’s keep even benefit election/selection documents separate from personnel files.

WC is rife with fraud but there are mechanisms and procedures in place to blow the whistle if you believe an employee has committed WC fraud. An employer perusing an employee’s WC file is not one of them. Trooper Wooten could sue the state for breaching his confidentiality. I would want to know what other employee files the governor’s office has requested.

Lori (11:47:05) :

Sorry – that should read “An employee’s manager has a right to review the employee’s personnel file but NOT their WC file.”
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I work in WC claims writing insurance claim reporting software for several states. The Workman’s Comp system state by state has been around since 1913. There are highly specific procedures for disputing a WC Claims that protect the rights of all sides at every point. Disputed medical rulings where medical fraud is suspected can be addressed by an Independent Medical Review process. Claim fraud can indeed be addressed by a private investigator working for the Insurance Company . But in my state where our company does this service also, it has to be using a state licensed private investigator. Are there state licensed private investigators in Alaska also? Is this the law? Can anyone just go out and start investigating someone using procedures that will hold up in a court of law? Is Todd Palin a licensed private investigator authorized to carry out such investigations? there are due process procedures on all of these aspects of any dispute. Like I say, it is not like 1913 was last year! There are volumes of case law on all of this over the last 93 years. If Sarah Palin has ever run a business that had employees, she apparently never learned much about the Workman’s Comp claim system and how it works by law in every state in the United States.

Just say’in.

22 09 2008
CoyoteMarti

To Kimbers, who said she was now officially in love with Dick Durbin : Did you know he was our IL senator who was the first person that got Obama to run? He’s the one who made the point about ‘a moment in time’ that Obama had to answer.

Now, we’re calling all lawyers! Some of you have mentioned your concern about shenanigans at the polls. Well, send this to all your O fans who are lawyers or law students. The campaign is amassing a substantial network of attorneys across the country who can be at the polls on election day to help protect the democratic process and make sure every voter gets his or her voice heard. This voter protection program is unprecedented – bringing thousands of volunteer attorneys into the process to make sure every vote in protected. Details at http://www.barackobama.com, of course.

22 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I’m watching C-SPAN

22 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

$17,000 p/hr…WTF!!!

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Just take a quick look at the homepage of HuffPo –

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

NOW IF THAT DOESN’T SCARE YA!

22 09 2008
DeMo

Lifetime TV Poll:
Citing a survey by pollsters Kellyanne Conway and Celinda Lake for Lifetime Television, the Web site said the McCain-Palin team holds a 44 percent-to-42 percent lead over the Democratic ticket on who has a “better understanding of women and what is important” to them. Obama held a 52 percent-to-18 percent lead on the question in July, the pollsters said.

Breaking it down further, age was biggest determining factor. Young women, ages 18-34, chose the Democratic ticket as being more empathetic to their needs, while women aged 35-64 went for the McCain-Palin ticket, the Web site said.

The Lifetime Television poll, which surveyed 534 likely female voters, was conducted Sept. 11-15 and has a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points.
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No wonder some call it the “Women in Peril Network.”

Also, the margin of error erases the McPain lead.

22 09 2008
Divatalk

Hey Everyone, I see you all are in rare form as usual.

Ok, listen here’s the deal. Yesterday a couple of us mudflatters determined it would be a good idea to have a unity day to show support and solidarity for Obama/Biden team.

It was determined we should either wear a t-shirt for Blue Day or do something.
I just discovered that on September 30 somegroups in Louisiana are having a Blue Day to show support where everyone is to wear something blue.

I am creating some t-shirts to be sold and proceeds donated to the campaign. I need your help on a slogan for the shirt. Something that lets everyone know we are in full support all over the world.

Give me some suggestions:

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

HamletsMill said: If Sarah Palin has ever run a business that had employees, she apparently never learned much about the Workman’s Comp claim system and how it works by law in every state in the United States.
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There must not have been any claims at the car wash she apparently ran before being mayor.

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

‘C-SPAN is the channel of choice for inquiring minds today!’

Seriously Anne.

To think in my younger days, I used to laugh at my Mom who had it on all the time. It was the only reason she ever got cable TV. I know she’s looking down at me today and saying “See? I told you it was worth it!!” : )

22 09 2008
No Blood for Hubris

$88,000.

Shall we take up a collection?

22 09 2008
Divatalk

DeMo,
How could women know who knows the needs of women better when no one has heard Palin talk about anything. They are assuming that since she is a women and mother of 5 that she automatically is in support of womens issues.

You know what happens when one aSSUme’s don’t you? Well, there you go!

22 09 2008
mvngfwd aka WMD Cessna

I’m in on that $88,000! Let’s see what happens if the money is no object.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Take a quick look at the home page of HuffPo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

YIKES! IF THOSE HEADLINES AND THAT PICTURE DON’T SCARE YOU…

THEN VOTE FOR McCAIN!

22 09 2008
coryshubert

I just got a “plea for cash” from your very own… SP. She won’t talk to the meida but boy she will sure hold her hand out via the web…

“Dear Supporter,

When I joined John McCain as his running mate, I knew I was in for a roller coaster
ride of ups and downs on the campaign trail. But, I want you to know that I joined
John McCain and the others on our ticket in this great election because I’m putting
our country first.

John McCain and I have been called “mavericks” and “reformers” because we’re guided
by shared values and principles and we’re not afraid to stand up to the status quo
in their defense. And that’s why we want you to send us, and other reformers like
us, to Washington.

Will you help send us to Washington by making a generous contribution of any amount
to McCain-Palin Victory 2008 right away? Your financial support will go a long way
in electing Reform Republicans in November.

As the mother of an active duty soldier, I want John McCain as our next Commander in
Chief. And I want to elect a Congressional majority in November who has the courage
to support our troops and who will stop bowing to political pressure and admit the
surge has been successful. We need to send a team to Washington who will support the
brave men and women in uniform and bring them home with their heads held high in
victory.

Friends, in the course of a few weeks, the Obama-Biden Democrats have launched
attack after attack on me, my family and John McCain. They’re desperate to win and
they’ll no doubt launch these attacks against other reformers on our ticket.

They are spreading lies and misinformation and we must stop them. Your immediate
contribution of any amount- whether it’s $25 or $250- helps McCain-Palin Victory
2008 fight back before they turn these shameful tactics on others we support.

I’m sure you’ve heard that in this election, the Obama-Biden Democrats have a large
financial advantage over us. You can help us close this gap today by following this
link to make your secure online donation to McCain-Palin Victory 2008. The financial
support you give today will make all the difference in this election. Thank you for
your support.

Sincerely,

Governor Sarah Palin

P.S. I hope you will join me, John McCain and the other Reform Republicans in
standing up to the status quo. Our ticket is ready to take Washington by storm and
shake things up to address our nation’s most pressing issues. Won’t you join us
today by making a financial contribution to McCain-Palin Victory 2008? Your
generosity is appreciated and I look forward to seeing you out on the campaign
trail. Thank you.

Because the McCain-Palin Campaign is participating in the presidential public
funding system, it may not receive contributions for any candidate’s election.
However, federal law allows the McCain-Palin Campaign’s Compliance Fund to defray
legal and accounting compliance costs and preserve the Campaign’s public grant for
media, mail, phones, and get-out-the-vote programs. Contributions to McCain-Palin
Victory 2008 will go to the Compliance Fund, and to participating party committees
for Victory 2008 programs.

Please visit this page if you want to remove yourself from the email list.

Paid for by McCain-Palin Victory 2008
A joint fundraising committee by and composed of the Republican National Committee,
the Michigan Republican Party, the Missouri Republican State Committee, the Ohio
Republican Party State Central & Executive Committee, the Republican Federal
Committee of Pennsylvania, and McCain-Palin Compliance Fund.”

I think I will send some to Obama just because…

Oh, is she still actually governor of Alaska? AKM

22 09 2008
coryshubert

and by the way, I am NOT her/their supporter…

Just had to make that clear.

c

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

kimbers Chop Meth Palin (12:51:02) :
‘C-SPAN is the channel of choice for inquiring minds today!’

Seriously Anne.

To think in my younger days, I used to laugh at my Mom who had it on all the time. It was the only reason she ever got cable TV. I know she’s looking down at me today and saying “See? I told you it was worth it!!” : )

kimbers,

I am probably as old as your mom! and this election is aging me quickly! Bless your mama for raising you right…🙂

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

Coyote, I didn’t know that about Durbin. I’m going to send him a thank you card!

I have already gotten a couple of lawyers I know to volunteer for duty and I am confident they are enlisting their legal eagle friends and partners to sign up too.

22 09 2008
Marnie

Has anybody besides me looked at the Palins and seen, not nerely a dysfunctional family, but two really pathological adults, who probably rule their children with the same “my way or the highway,” “I forget nothing, forgive nothing, and avenge ever wrong done me, forever,” pathology.

Sara Palin’s sister’s ex-spouse is the sister’s problem, yet Palin and her husband use their elected positions as hunter’s blinds to fire away at him whenever they lust for a blood hunt. That they involve themselves in her divorce, and continue to act out against her ex is sick, and is a measure of the depth and breadth of their capacity to hate, and act out viciously.

These two are voyeurs, they are both bitches, they disrespect the law, they disrespect the privacy of the employees of the Alaskan government, they are filled with hate and intolerance, they use their power sociopathically and destructively, they think they have the right to use the trust of the citizens of Alaska to act out hatefully and harmfully against Alaskans.

As an expatriot Texan, I take pride, that I voted against Bush 4 times – twice for Governor and twice for President.
Not every native son deserves support.

Please Alaska, do with the Palins what Texas did not do with the Bushie mafia. Don’t send them to DC. How about, calling them home and sending them to Siberia?

22 09 2008
Phoebe

You try to escape from the news for an hour or so & what happens…. things just get crazier & crazier. Speaking of crazy, McCain is scaring the wits out of me. I think if the press continues the negative coverage of him could be driven over the edge. Please oh please! A foolish old man’s dream & the duping of alot of the American public could be the devastation of this country.

22 09 2008
Divatalk

coreyshubert,
I just got a “plea for cash” from your very own… SP. She won’t talk to the meida but boy she will sure hold her hand out via the web…
_______________
You should send an email back to SP indicating you will not donate since she doesn’t feel it necessary to speak to the pubic or the media.
Then tell her thank you for the reminder to send your donation to Obama campaign.

22 09 2008
MJC

Diva: How about
“You can’t just make stuff up”
Don’t forget to Blink, Blink, Blink
John McCain’s not a Maverick, He just owns one
Palin is on a Bridge to Nowhere

****Just having some fun!🙂

22 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin

holy crap! from huffpo:
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

22 09 2008
MJC

coryshubert,
You should reply back and let her know that everyone is making a donation to Planned Parenthood in her Honor.

22 09 2008
DeMo

Divatalk (12:59:04) said: You should send an email back to SP indicating you will not donate since she doesn’t feel it necessary to speak to the pubic or the media. Then tell her thank you for the reminder to send your donation to Obama campaign.
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Ooooooh, that would be so good. With the mood the Republicans have me in today, I almost wish I had received the email just so I could do what you recommend.

Then again, considering how vindictive Palin is, I don’t want her to have access to my email or any information about me. And that’s precisely why no American should vote for her. The Patriot Act will have her perusing every person’s private life.

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Just featured on MSNBC — The McPalin Grilled Pig Sandwich at the Lion’s Den Restaurant in Anchorage. It comes with a side of fries and a tube of lipstick.

They are selling out (like Palin is doing to Alaska)

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

Hahahaha!! REpublican on Hardball right now advocating for privatization. Unfreaking believable.

22 09 2008
Waxman

A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

You said you could find no info on Sarah being anti-contraceptive – that’s not the point here – the Sarah Palin types see an after the fact Pill as the same as an abortion. Onced Raped – the die is cast in her mind – you must accept “Gods Will”.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Marnie (12:57:53) :

Has anybody besides me looked at the Palins and seen, not nerely a dysfunctional family, but two really pathological adults, who probably rule their children with the same “my way or the highway,

Marnie,

With all due respect, I believe we should be careful about the Palin family “stuff”. I spoke with my Democrat daughter-in-law today (yep…in TX) and she said she is sick of hearing the Dems tear down Sarah Palin’s FAMILY! Every news cycle focusing on Palin, at this point, is a win for McCain…and we do want to stay focused on JMc!

There’s also an article on HuffPo today:

Palin Fundraises Off ‘Democrats Attacks’ On Family

The McCain camp has just blasted out to its list a fundraising email by Sarah Palin claiming that Obama-Biden Democrats are waging frequent attacks on her family. From the email:

Friends, in the course of a few weeks, the Obama-Biden Democrats have launched attack after attack on me, my family and John McCain. They’re desperate to win and they’ll no doubt launch these attacks against other reformers on our ticket.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/palin-fundraises-off-demo_n_128379.html

22 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

coryshubert (12:54:46) :

E mail SP telling her you will send a large contribution the day she sits down and talks to Keith Olberman on TV!

22 09 2008
DeMo

kimbers Chop Meth Palin (13:06:24) :

Hahahaha!! REpublican on Hardball right now advocating for privatization. Unfreaking believable.
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But Debbie Wasserman Schultz had the perfect answer. If social security was privatized, at this moment we’d have a nation of bankrupt seniors. (I have a total girl crush on Debbie.)

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Divatalk: some ideas

*The world needs OBAMA”

“Save the Planet, vote OBAMA”

“When you care enough to send the very best (to the White House) – OBAMA

McCain = $$$$$, OBAMA = Priceless

BOLD versus OLD

CHARM versus HARM

RICH & BITCH versus SMART & HEART

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin (13:03:56) :

holy crap! from huffpo:
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

Nancy,
That is a direct quote from the proposed bail-out bill, as it currently stands. I told you the headlines and pict at HuffPo would scare you! Paulson would become the “unquestionable” unregulated CEO of America…

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

coryshubert – Instead of sending Failin Palin money, just send her a big tip, like — DROP OUT OF THE RACE, HONEY, BEFORE YOU DESTROY OUR COUNTRY

22 09 2008
SexyC

In regards to:

“Cyr, who filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the documents was told it would cost $88,000 to fulfill his request. “That seems a little steep,” said Cyr, “and suspicious”

Why do you have to pay to view public records?

22 09 2008
NY Dem

Let’s add it up:

1,100 e-mails

Say for instance, each one is 1 page long – that’s 1,100 pages to print

Paper is about $4.00 per ream (500 sheets) – so we’ve spent $8.00 so far

1 black ink cartridge is about $40.00 (doubt if you would even use the whole thing for just 1,100 pages)

That’s a grand total of $48.00 for supplies, to print 1,100 pages ($96.00 if each e-mail is 2 pages long)

Either way, that must mean they are going to charge over $87,900 in labor costs to print the 1,100 e-mails.

Whew !!! No wonder Wasilla was $22 million in debt after Palin left !!

Is the First Dude the printmaster too ?

22 09 2008
Sydney

Hey all – go vote here: http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html – it’s a quickie poll asking if you think Palin is qualified to be VP. The right wing kooks are getting their folks out in droves to vote so please respond.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

V.P., Flat Earth Society (13:12:54) :

Divatalk: some ideas

RICH & BITCH versus SMART & HEART

Diva,

Too funny…somehow makes mw want to work-in “old fart” too 🙂
The “mean me” is back today…and I’m poorer by the minute, just listening to the bail-out debate!

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

TYPO – mw = me

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ Diva—One word–ENOUGH!!!!!! (front) Obama/Biden 08 (back)

nancy-INDIANA a.k.a. buck shot palin (13:03:56) : I just called my 2 senators about this. Everyone needs to call their senator/s and tell them about these words and that this is by no means the best thing for our Country.

Thank God for all you mudpuppies out there. Today again I am scared. Today again I wonder if we can take this country back. Everyone get out there vote, volunteer, donate. I’m going to go donate right now. And do my post cards. Then will head to Obama’s headquarters to sign up to be a poll worker. Yikes! Don’t know what else to do. Patience and steel. A big drink of H20. Then continue to put one foot in front of the other to take OUR country back.

ASA SLAP SPEAR PALIN

22 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[I just emailed the governor’s office asking for info on how to start a recall – i couldn’t find it easily. Am I naive in thinking we live in a democracy?]]

Here ya go, Punkin’:

http://www.elections.alaska.gov/petitions/irr.php

Just clik on the word RECALL and you’ll skip down to the place on the page where it starts.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

OLD FART versus REAL SMART

22 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

@ Waxman. I agree it’s not the point – I originally just really wanted to point out that as no one knows no one can claim that she is for or against contraception, or whether she regards the morning after pill as equivalent to abortion. It many senses it’s all beside the point, as the moral issue is simply that she claims not to have known that the small town of which she was mayor charged for rape kits. If she knew, she’s a liar, if she didn’t know she’s incompetent…

I also agree with the other posters with how essential it is to lay off the family issues. Not that anyone knows much else about her or what she actually represents first hand, other than a “blizzard of words”. Not allowing the press access to her generates rumour, which it is all too easy for the Repubs to claim is malicious. Go for flip-flop McCain and go for facts.

22 09 2008
jody

as someone who had had to go against elected officials in my town to obtain information, you can advise mr. cyr that elected officials are exempt from paying for ciopies of public documents. and, there are exemptions for the public, if the issue is of public importance. he needs to talk to the freedom of Information Office directly. he does NOT have to pay any $8,000 for copies of public records. Period.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

I really like the one, cause it kind of rhymes.

Save the planet, vote OBAMA

22 09 2008
Di

Did you hear about journalists being arrested at the Republican convention?
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2008/9/19/charges_against_dn_journalists_dropped_investigation_needed

And then I was curious.
There was the McCain camp outrage over Sarah Palin’s email account being hacked but how is it different to warrantless survelliance by the American Government? I’m not sure I’m clear on that …

Maybe you saw it all already. I try to keep up on the threads but probably miss things.

Thanks for giving those of us watching the insanity out here in Europe hope that America isn’t rolling over for the horror that is John and Sarah.

22 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[“Cyr, who filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the documents was told it would cost $88,000 to fulfill his request. “That seems a little steep,” said Cyr, “and suspicious”

Why do you have to pay to view public records?]]

That’s a danged good question, and one the Alaska people should be asking.

It’s the people of Alaska who have to stand up against this. In California, if our governor was pulling this shit, he’d be recalled like tomorrow.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

OBAMA = a thousand hopeful tomorrows

MCCAIN = nothing but yesterdays

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

galwhohashadenough! (13:19:32) :

@ Diva—One word–ENOUGH!!!!!!

galwho,

I agree…ENOUGH! should be our mantra, battle cry, t-shirt slogan, sign-in-our-yard-being-webcammed-slogan!

22 09 2008
DeMo

galwhohashadenough! (13:19:32) :

@ Diva—One word–ENOUGH!!!!!! (front) Obama/Biden 08 (back)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That’s the winner for me. I’d just change it slightly to Obama’s quote.
Enough is Enough! (front)
Obama/Biden 08 (back)

For the remainder of my life, I will remember this campaign by Obama’s three little words. Yes We Can. Because it’s simple. Because it’s True. Because it empowers all of us. Yes WE Can.

22 09 2008
CoyoteMarti

DeMo (13:10:23) :
But Debbie Wasserman Schultz had the perfect answer. If social security was privatized, at this moment we’d have a nation of bankrupt seniors. (I have a total girl crush on Debbie.)

***************************************

Yes, Debbie is really someone to watch. A tiger for Hillary and now for Obama. She’s like the perfect anti-Palin. Will be interesting to see if she stays at the national level, or goes on to something like the Florida governorship someday.

22 09 2008
Phoebe

Chris Mathews is on guests… spin, spin ,spin…….Chris dahhhhhhhhhhhh

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

V.P., Flat Earth Society (13:19:58) :

OLD FART versus REAL SMART

VP – good one. However, it seems to be quite unpopular these days to be SMART, so can you imagine how offensive to some to consider having a REAL smart president?

~Frustrated teacher here

22 09 2008
bas

FYI – Interesting article in motherjones.com re: Lyda Green. Apparently she is looking into calling the senate back into session. I never thought I would be saying “Right on Lyda!”

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Yes, I agree, just one large word followed by a space, then about 3 exclamation marks. And a few spaces below and in smaller print Obama/Biden ’08

ENOUGH !!!

Obama/Biden ’08

22 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

Wish we could e mail Hamid Karzai to warn him he is being used as a photo op for a joke candidate.

22 09 2008
coryshubert

If anyone wants to reply to it as I did, here is the email account it came from:

ecampaign@gop.com

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps (13:29:08) :

Wish we could e mail Hamid Karzai to warn him he is being used as a photo op for a joke candidate.
______________

I suspect that the King of Kabul knows this already – he too is just a figurehead.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

V.P., Flat Earth Society (13:27:43) :

Yes, I agree, just one large word followed by a space, then about 3 exclamation marks. And a few spaces below and in smaller print Obama/Biden ‘08

ENOUGH !!!

Obama/Biden ‘08

VP…PERFECT!

I sure know I have had ENOUGH !!!

22 09 2008
ds55

Any truth to the rumor that one reason Palin tried to ruin Wooten was because he was the arresting officer in the Track Palin bus vandalism case?

22 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

I just got a “plea for cash” from your very own… SP. She won’t talk to the meida but boy she will sure hold her hand out via the web…

“Dear Supporter,

When I joined John McCain as his running mate, I knew I was in for a roller coaster
ride of ups and downs…
——————————————–

Sorry. But I just couldn’t resist it…

22 09 2008
Bobg

I as stated yesterday on this blog, I am a Republican and I am embarrassed that McCain picked Palin as his running mate. McCain’s choice for his running mate lost him my vote. If you analyze Palin’s experience, qualifications and past actions (both professional and private) you will come to the same conclusion I did; Palin was only selected for her shock value. To me, shock value is no qualification for the office of Vice-President. Remember, the Social Security actuarial tables state that a 72 year old man has a 1 in 3 chance of dying in the next 8 years. That same 72 year old man has a 15% chance of dying in the next 4 years. I can’t see taking a chance on PRESIDENT PALIN.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Or………………………McCain’s lost his marbles – Obama’s found them

22 09 2008
Halcrow

Nothing wrong with Americans’ sense of Humour. Read the comments, plse

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/22/what-will-sarah-palin-and-hamid-karzi-discuss/
J
ack Cafferty

What will Sarah Palin and Hamid Karzai talk about?

22 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

McCain’s own 13 cars! Just annouced on Hardball! Wow!!!

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Bobg (13:33:01) :

I can’t see taking a chance on PRESIDENT PALIN.

Bobg

WELCOME! You have come here for the same reason many of us did.

22 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

The Obama’s own 1, a Ford Escape Hybrid.

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

“Today again I wonder if we can take this country back.”

galwhohashadenough! We will never settle for mediocre business as usual again. Not in this election and certainly not going forward. Collectively we are doing what needs to be done. I believe this with every fiber of my being.

For those very rare moments that I falter (usually an overdose of MSM nonsense), I taped these words to my computer and the dashboard of my truck:

I shall remain

Calm

Confident

Focused

and Unwaivering

22 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[…With all due respect, I believe we should be careful about the Palin family “stuff”. I spoke with my Democrat daughter-in-law today (yep…in TX) and she said she is sick of hearing the Dems tear down Sarah Palin’s FAMILY! Every news cycle focusing on Palin, at this point, is a win for McCain…and we do want to stay focused on JMc!…]]

With all due respect, I believe that Sarah Palin herself made her family a campaign issue when she shamelessly pimped them for public-relations purposes starting the first day she was chosen by McCain. She has used them as part of her qualifications for being VP. That was Sarah Palin’s doing, not ours.

In addition, the fact that Palin is such a disaster, that she pimped her famly when they are such a disaster, shows what a disaster McCain is when it comes to making important decisions. Hell, the last cat I adopted from the animal shelter I vetted more thoroughly thatn McCain vetted Palin before choosing her as VP.

This all goes to the issue of qualifications. McCain/Palin have claimed they are qualifed and held forth certain evidence to support that. If Palin wishes to use her family in that purpose, then that is her decision, but I don’t think her family gets a free pass when it comes to examining the evidence as to Palin’s qualifications.

22 09 2008
Augie

UK Lady (13:29:08,
Hamid Karzai is himself a joke. He was brought in by Bush & Co. straight from Unocal and the Carlyle Group. It was all about getting the pipeline built across Afghanistan.

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Anyone have the link for the mudflat boots posted a couple of days ago? I am buying a pair today if someone can help me out! I will proudly wear my boots and t-shirt every time I go out until this election is over and we re-store sanity back to the White House.

22 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[I just got a “plea for cash” from your very own… SP. She won’t talk to the meida but boy she will sure hold her hand out via the web…

“Dear Supporter,

When I joined John McCain as his running mate, I knew I was in for a roller coaster
ride of ups and downs…]]]

Here’s an idea: Save the plea for cash and, the next time you donate to Obama’s campaign, save the receipt, staple it to Palin’s plea, and mail it back to them in the postage-paid envelope they provided.

I’m tapped out donating to Obama, and I could kick myself for not thinking of this before, but I think it would be cool if everyone made a copy of their Obama donation receipt (blacking out pertinent information) and then sent it to McCain/Palin headquarters.

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ kimbers Chop Meth Palin (13:38:14) : Thank you for responding! I am taking the steps I need to in order to keep my sanity about all of this. Donate–Yup did that. Call my Senators–Yup did that. Keep mudflats open to update and get comfort from this group. Yup doing that. Working on postcards–next on my list. This whole election has just awoken me and I think has woken a sleeping giant. I will never be complacent again about my country. NEVER!!

22 09 2008
Erin

I found this about recalling a Governor on the State of Alaska official site:

“The recall is the procedure by which the people may remove the governor, lieutenant governor, or members of the state legislature from office. The recall question appears on a special election ballot. [Ref. AS 15.45.470-720]

STEPS IN THE PROCESS

The three petition processes follow the same basic steps:

* PREPARATION OF LANGUAGE by a petition committee for the application
* COLLECTION OF SIGNATURES of 100 qualified voters who agree to act as sponsors for petition circulation purposes
* APPLICATION for a petition presented to the Lt. Governor, or in the case of a recall, the Director of the Division of Elections.
* REVIEW by the Lt. Governor, Department of Law and Division of Elections
* PETITION BOOKLETS PRINTED by the Division of Elections for the petition committee
* COLLECTION OF SIGNATURES of qualified voters in at least 30 election districts who support the petition
* FILING OF THE PETITION with the Division of Elections
* REVIEW of signatures by the Division of Elections
* NOTIFICATION by the Lt. Governor if the petition is or is not sufficient (i.e., there were enough signatures) to appear on the ballot,or in the case of a recall, the Director of the Division of Elections.
* PREPARATION of ballot language”

The problem is, the Lt. Gov. is just as slimy as she is, and he’s in SP’s pocket. Plus, he’s the director of the Division of Elections. How effective do you think a recall could be with that joker in charge??

22 09 2008
Tom from PA

Some more good #s today
New Mexico just came in +11 for Obama. Remember Bush won NM in the last election
Virginia just came in +3 for Obama to add to the +6 poll earlier today. Bush won Virginia by 8 in each of the last 2 elections. Yes, Virginia there is aa Santa Claus.

22 09 2008
curveball

Here is a good article out of Salt Lake City
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_10526691

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

There are a few interesting articles on HuffPo today leading up to the article linked below. Steve Schmidt started out with a blistering attack on the NYT. Next, their executive editor Bill Keller responded swiftly saying:

“The New York Times is committed to covering the candidates fully, fairly and aggressively. It’s our job to ask hard questions, fact-check their statements and their advertising, examine their programs, positions, biographies and advisors. Candidates and their campaign operatives are not always comfortable with that level of scrutiny, but it’s what our readers expect and deserve.”

McCain Was For The NYT Before He Was Against It

“For a party that rails against the New York Times, the Republicans sure depend on the Grey Lady to score political points.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/mccain-was-for-the-nyt-be_n_128397.html

22 09 2008
Sad In Red State Texas

Palin live on Cnn right now. What lies now wil she say ?

22 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

Also on Huffpost today McCain states he has bought American all his life – ‘Ferragamo’s’ anybody?

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Political Amazon (13:38:19)
With all due respect, I believe that Sarah Palin herself made her family a campaign issue when she shamelessly pimped them for public-relations purposes starting the first day she was chosen by McCain. She has used them as part of her qualifications for being VP. That was Sarah Palin’s doing, not ours.

Political Amazon,
I believe you are responding to me. I am not arguing with you or slamming your opinions. I simply believe even the polls show it is harmful to the Obama campaign to slam Palin’s family. There are SO many issues and so little time!

22 09 2008
Deb

I read an post today in response to an article on Palin accusing Obama dems of spreading lies about her. It matches MY scenario, and certainly cannot be construed by Palin as a lie about HER. (no, Sarah, the whole world does NOT revolve around YOU!)
The post read something to the effect as a request for Cindy McCain’s outfit that she wore to the convention. If I sold off her dress I could pay off my mortgage, my car loan, and my credit card bills, pay off the parent loans on my kid’s college, put some in my savings for retirement, and have a LITTLE left over for a “rainy day”.

22 09 2008
Erin

I had a long conversation with my parents last night (with my Repub husband in the room) about what a nightmare McCain/Palin are, and at the end, my husband actually said, “If it were Biden/Obama, I’d probably vote for them.” So, I’m wearing him down, little by little. It was great to have an opportunity for him to hear the points of view of people other than myself– I admit I’ve totally gone off the deep end about all of this. My husband thinks I’m crazy.

Anyway, I wanted to share that, since my husband is a “Gun Rights” republican from way back. They’re listening, they just aren’t quite there yet.

22 09 2008
Jster

just tuned into cnn… she just talked about putting the federal checkbook online for all America to see. Hasn’t anybody told her yet that it has already been done, thanks to Barack Obama?!! She keeps repeating this one, like so many others. Sad.

22 09 2008
Bobg

Dear AK Mudraker-I have talked about analyzing Palin’s record and qualifications; now let me attempt tp analyze the Mudflats Website. First, very well put together and very easy to navigate. Second, apparently you have done much research into the issues and I notice that you take great pains to document your facts. Finally, I am attracted to this website because I see something strange going on here. I have blogs that I visit every day and they all make provisions to accept comments. These blogs sometimes have as many as 40 or 50 comments on special interest topics. You blog regularly has comments almost always above 100 and many times 400 plus. I also notice that the comments are from all over the globe. It is obvious that your website has uncovered the basic feelings of the real people of the world; not the people selected by the poll takers to make sure that the polls show what they want them to show. Your website makes me very leery of the poll results regularly highlighted on the evening news. Thank you for your time and effort.

22 09 2008
Rufus

Ok, I admit this does not have anything to do with the story directly, but might be God’s way of leading back to mudflats every day….

I was doing up some software for a client who is running a jobbank and this job popped into the test queue.. it is a REAL JOB and may be something Palin needs after Nov 4 and after she is ousted from office after Troopergate and all these others things going on, now that most Americans know where Alaska is!

http://narms.com/cgi-bin/sjb_twitter.cgi?i=35547&cn=1222114796&fnc=jbd

Really, really too scary to be a coincidence!!

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

galwhohashadenough! (13:40:11) :

Anyone have the link for the mudflat boots posted a couple of days ago? I am buying a pair today if someone can help me out!

gal,
This wardrobe suggestion came from bec in illinois yesterday – she’s rodering the work style and so am I…one can never have too many pairs of rubber boots in Western WA!

http://www.like.com/shoes/yellow_rubber_boots?SID=GOO&CID

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ Deb:

“If I sold off her dress I could pay off my mortgage, my car loan, and my credit card bills, pay off the parent loans on my kid’s college, put some in my savings for retirement, and have a LITTLE left over for a “rainy day”.”

Me too!!!!

22 09 2008
Deb

hey gal! and they call US “elite”???? LOL

22 09 2008
Bobg

Rufus-that is too funny. I wonder if Sarah has her resume up to date.

22 09 2008
akmuckraker

@Tom from PA
Virginia just came in +3 for Obama to add to the +6 poll earlier today. Bush won Virginia by 8 in each of the last 2 elections. Yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus.

________________________________________
I can corroborate that. I’m an expert on Santa, because Alaska is really close to the North Pole.🙂

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

galwhohashadenough! (13:40:11) :

Anyone have the link for the mudflat boots posted a couple of days ago? I am buying a pair today if someone can help me out!

gal,
This wardrobe suggestion came from bec in illinois yesterday – she’s rodering the work style and so am I…one can never have too many pairs of rubber boots in Western WA!

http://www.like.com/shoes/yellow_rubber_boots?SID=GOO&CID

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ Deb—ya right! Obama has 1 car, McCain has 13. Who really is the elitist here in this campaign?

22 09 2008
Rufus

@Bobg Yes, the number of comments is impressive. We have been without cable in Dayton since Ike blew in here and knocked out the power and cable. The steady diet of FOX/CNN that usually creates a soundtrack in my office has been silent and mudflats has been my lifeline into the real Palin (that and YouTube) but all somewhat second hand from the news… interesting peek into what people are saying, but without the benefit of having watched it first hand…..

22 09 2008
Rufus

@Babg I just wonder if she is QUALIFIED to be a retail merchandiser..🙂

22 09 2008
Deb

to AKM LOL @ being expert on santa! you go girl!

22 09 2008
John Sampson

I know one thing has to be done by Alaskans. Right now McCain/Palin are leading in the state of Alaska. Alaskans need to turn this around and make it noticed by the news media. If most Alaskans are voting for Palin, then this is all for naught. Alaskans need to get out and do more to show their distain for this woman and what she stands for. I wish to God I was a U.S. citizen, I would be rolling out my RV with a sign on it that Sarah the Barracuda is a fraud and a liar. I would be taking donations from as many people who could donate and sending it to the Obama campaign. God help America if these two frauds get into the White House.

John Sampson
Nova Scotia,
Canada

22 09 2008
Erin

AnneinWA, be careful, looks like they only come in men’s 8’s and up. I don’t know about you, but that’d be WAY too big.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

There is a most excellent radio program in Canada every Sunday afternoon called “Cross Country Checkup”. It’s 2 hours long and it’s a phone-in show hosted by an extremely knowledgeable and articulate host who is, without fail, always polite to those who phone in. He starts the program off with invieted guests who are usually ‘experts’ in their respective fields. The topics are always topical and of interest to the country at large. A brilliant program and something I wish we had in the US, as it keeps us in touch with how we all feel throughout the country – makes one feel closer to each other.

Oddly, I think this blog site is the closest thing to it in the US, even though the topic is just of the upcoming election.

22 09 2008
Ted Powell

Ky Fork Decoy Palin (12:04:40) wrote: “… The kit included a contraceptive, which Palin does not believe in, because of her religious views. …”

The part about Palin’s belief is likely true, but the contraceptive claim is highly unlikely. This has been addressed in earlier threads, by people who certainly sounded knowledgeable. One of them (can’t find it right now) listed the actual contents of a typical kit.

Here’s an excerpt from one of the related posts:

A rape kit is for doctors, its a way to gather evidence, not for the victim to take home. They sometimes have informational brochures, but they themselves (as far as I have ever heard) don’t contain any pills.

As a rape victim myself who had a rape kit done at a hospital (before morning after pills were legal) they gave me an option of high dose birth control as emergency contraception, and they gave it to me as a prescription to take to the pharmacy. It was my choice whether or not to take them.

BTW, why is there no PREVIEW button?

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ Erin-

“AnneinWA, be careful, looks like they only come in men’s 8’s and up. I don’t know about you, but that’d be WAY too big.”

Just found that out. I’m going to do some more searching to see if I can’t find something else. Bound & determine to buy something today!! LOL

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Erin (14:06:13) :

AnneinWA, be careful, looks like they only come in men’s 8’s and up. I don’t know about you, but that’d be WAY too big.

Erin,
I just noticed that too – I was rummy last night when I checked them out. I am now searching for yellow boots in MY size.

BTW, I also have a Republican husband that I am trying to win over – good luck!

22 09 2008
Diane

I still have yet to see what penalty would be given to Palin if she is found guilty.

I, as a voter, think that question needs to be answered before Nov. 4th.

Or will it be Republican politics as usual, the criminal and the mediocre will be rewarded?

22 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

What planet do Republicans live on? It is just mind baffling to me, how they think! Who in their right mind, truly believe McCain/Palin is capable of running the Country?

I am convinced their souls already belong to Satan himself!!! Sorry to sound so harsh….but there is no rational reason to allow these two in the White House!!!

22 09 2008
Erin

Anne,
Good luck to you, too! My husband’s getting closer, but he’s actually stated to me how he’s “afraid of Barack Obama.”

It’s a good thing voting is secret, ’cause it’s the only way some republicans will vote for Obama.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Oops! Forgot to mention – Obama’s Green Bay speech is on C-SPAN right now. I got busy shopping for yellow boots!

22 09 2008
Steak Leather

Political Amazon stated: Really, how much can Alaskans be expected to take from Sarah Palin and her husband, Todd, who was not elected but seems to consider himself a co-Governor?

It is clear that Todd is the “shadow governor” and that Sarah considers him her assistant, even goes as far as to have First Dood following Wooten to “get something” on him. She frequently copied him on many government documents and state business.

Steak Leather, aka idaho43

22 09 2008
tspey

When Lyda Green and Dan Fagan join forces with the minority dems of Alaska (remarkably there is an analogous precedence: James Carville + Mary Matalin). When an investigation is agreed to by the governor herself then subpoenas are ignored. When the McCain camp occupies the state government of Alaska.

What is to become of Alaska when Palin returns?

What is to become of the US if Palin/McCain prevail?

This Alaskan fears both scenarios. BUT, Palin should fear what Alaskans are now readily and openly thinking about her actions.

22 09 2008
AKM | SeevsPlace

[…] the subtitle Tiptoeing Through the Muck of Alaskan Politics. AKM has a very interesting new post, Troopergate’s Strange Bedfellows. Well, worth checking out, including perusing the over 200 responses so far. Will be interesting to […]

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Erin (14:15:31) :

Anne,
Good luck to you, too! My husband’s getting closer, but he’s actually stated to me how he’s “afraid of Barack Obama.”

Erin,
My husband keeps saying, “Obama has to SHOW ME A PLAN”. HELLO! “I think we know McCain’s plan, don’t we? How’s it working for us?” I ask him. Barack is on C-SPAN right now stating his “plan” item by item, do you think he’ll listen? Sheesh! Sometimes there’s no way to convince a person who won’t listen…but I still keep trying!

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

AnneinWA (14:15:43) : Hey Annie if you find a good site let me now. I’ll do likewise. Not having much luck at the moment tho:(.

22 09 2008
Laurie

Annie

John McCain doesnt help matters much. He and his henchmen are always on tv saying…”where is Obama’s plan?” My god…Obama has been stating his plan very clearly for a long time. Why can they get away with that bold faced lie? Why do the media not say…”hey..wait a sec…Obama talked about his plan..here..here and here”. But no…they just let it go, and then to add insult to injury, the next time a dem is on the media asks…”where is Obama’s plan?” It drives me nuts.

22 09 2008
phnxrising

@Diva

Regarding the t-shirts….I like ENOUGH !!!
But also kept thinking of:

“O”-Bluetiful!

O as in Obama and the play on words of “O Beautiful” from the song “America The Beautiful” for some stupid reason even though it probably is simpler to go with ENOUGH! lol
Please figure out a way to post what day this will be big and broad enough so as many people as possible can know and participate!!!! I think it is a terrific and wonderful way to show solidarity! And we can make it be around the world too! Why not paint the whole world blue….?!?!?!

22 09 2008
JC

Thanks for your post; glad I’m not the only one who finds being in agreement with both Fagan and Green to be an odd sensation. Usually I read the lead line of a Fagan column and go no further, since he’s just an aggravating dude. But now I’ve actually read three columns in full, all without throwing the ADN across the room…Strange times these.

I believe that what brings Fagan and Green and most sane Alaskans together is a desire for the truth. We want to know what happened, how bad is it, how does it effect our state and local politics and what’s the fallout going to be? It would have been ideal to reach that goal without the intrusion of the RNC Goon Squad; we do have some interesting days ahead.

22 09 2008
Lee

Well here we go again. Today the economy continues to melt down.

I have to agree. Bush’s ownership society is nothing but a colossal fraud. I have to wonder if the mega-millionaires who got all those tax cuts will now be asked to help pay the bills from their failures.

Bush had a track record of running every business he ever worked for into bankruptcy, and now our country is on the verge. Wake up America!

22 09 2008
TSPEY

When Lyda Green and Dan Fagan join forces with the democratic minority of Alaska (remarkably there is an analogous precedence: Carville & Matalin)…

When the gov agrees on full cooperation in the investigation and then ignores legislative subpoenas…

When the Palin administration allows the McCain camp to occupy Alaska government…

It is clear from her actions that Palin has adopted a political agenda and disowned all Alaskans.

I have heard from fellow Alaskans that they fear Palin’s return after a loss in November. I say turn this around and place the fear where it belongs… with Alaskans angry at Palin for selling out Alaska to McCain and anyone who would help advance her career.

22 09 2008
sanpoil

What about the private investigator hired by Sarah and Todd Palin to find information on Trooper Wooten?

Is that not relevant to this investigation? Was it too long ago? Doesn’t seem like it should be, since so many other things seem to be relevant…

Anyone know?

22 09 2008
TSPEY

sorry about the repost. I thought my first post did not go through…

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Here is a great article from Politico about how McShame campaign cries about being called liars – but then quotes a bunch of lies to get sympathy. Can you spell BACKFIRE!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13747.html

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Annie – give your husband a copy of the 1989 article on the Keating Five from the Phoenix, Arizona newspaper – or give him the (mudflatter’s) boot and tell him to get with the program.

22 09 2008
Scotsgirl

Hi again from Houston – finally got power back 9 days after H urricane Ike! I have missed my ‘flats fix so badly, trying desperately to catch up….
I got an e mail suggesting I should make a ‘gift’ donation to Planned Parenthood in SP’s name – they send a card to the person telling them of their ‘gift’. How fun would that be – I’ll let you know if I get a thank you from Her!

Avril
Houston, TX

Welcome back! Hope all is well. AKM

22 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

Humane Society breaks tradition, endorses Obama:

https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=27497157

” While we’ve endorsed hundreds of congressional candidates for election, both Democrats and Republicans, we’ve never before endorsed a presidential candidate. We have members on the left, in the center, and on the right, and we knew it could be controversial to choose either party’s candidate for the top office in the nation. But in an era of sweeping presidential power, we must weigh in on this most important political race in the country. Standing on the sidelines is no longer an option for us.

I’m proud to announce today that the HSLF board of directors — which is comprised of both Democrats and Republicans — has voted unanimously to endorse Barack Obama for President.”

22 09 2008
Deb

I hear your pain, Anne-

Although, from what I have gathered McCain’s plan is pretty much more of the same we’ve seen for the past 8 years-
-drill, baby, drill (with big oil companies continuing to reap HUGE profit)
repeal Roe v. Wade (no change there from the right wingers)
-privatize social security (again no change from the past eight years)
-continue war in Iraq till we are “successful” and perhaps throw a war with Iran, Russia and/or Pakistan in for good measure (not much change there in foreign policy
-throw a little tax “incentive” (less than $2000 per family) at the middle class while big corporations continue to benefit from HUGE tax breaks and sending companies overseas
-no sound plan for environmental issues (it doesn’t exist, so why bother)

I know there is more but I don’t want to take up a whole page here.

On the flip side, Obama’s plan includes-
-seeking ALTERNATIVE fuels/vehicles and rewarding companies who come up and actually manufacture with alternatives…which also. and becoming a world leader in this area….
-increases jobs in OUR country with new energy technology and companies
-begin true DIPLOMACY with other countries to include helping with infrastructures/etc. to actually LEAD them to democracy rather than THREATENING them with democracy
-removes tax breaks for the very wealthy (above $200,000 will pay more taxes than they have been, middle class and lower will actually get a tax break)

I know I’m preaching to the choir here and these are just a few of Obama’s plans…but how can ANYONE not see that McCain is truly MORE OF THE SAME “plan” we’ve had for 8 years, while Obama truly has some vision!

22 09 2008
phnxrising

AnneinWA (14:15:43) and galwhohashadenough! (14:27:27),

Check out Target Online:

http://www.target.com/Rainboots-Shoes-Women/b?ie=UTF8&node=13913321

You will see a pair of yellow ones on sale for $24.99 if I am not mistaken.

22 09 2008
sanpoil

Incidentally, Todd Palin said that he’d hired this private investigator without his sister-in-law’s knowledge (you know, the sister-in-law who was the one actually going through the divorce?) which I found to be REALLY creepy.

I’ll have to look up my source on all this, but I believe I first read about it in Sgt. Ron Wall’s report on his investigation into the accusations made against Wooten. (.pdf files of these documents are online on http://www.ktva.com‘s “Commissioner Controversies”)

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Old McCain had 13 cars – e i e i o
And for these cars had 8 fines homes – e i e i o
With 2 cars here, and 1 car there,
Here a car, there a car, everywhere a car, car
Old McCain had 13 cars – e i e i o

22 09 2008
Deb

@V.P.
give the old dude a break! If he has 7 houses, he has to have at least 2 cars at every house! ooops….wait…if he had 2 at every house, he’d have 14 and he only has 13!!!! We should write to him and tell him we empathize and think he should go right out and buy ONE more car!

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Looking for yellow boots? I posted this link last night – I think it would be cool to have hundreds of us to show up somewhere with them:

http://www.like.com/shoes/yellow_rubber_boots?SID=GOO&CID=GESHO0c86f07d3472f2e6

22 09 2008
antiAnti

is the AK AG still MIA?

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

V.P., Flat Earth Society (14:36:41) :

Annie – give your husband a copy of the 1989 article on the Keating Five from the Phoenix, Arizona newspaper – or give him the (mudflatter’s) boot and tell him to get with the program.

VP – You tickle me! My husband’s politically savvy…in his own ignorant way – he simply ignores what he doesn’t want to hear (hey! Now that I think of it, he deals with me the same way!). We’ve been married since we were kids (literally) and that’s a long time! I told him I will simply not REMIND him when it is election day…ONE LESS VOTE FOR JMc!

22 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

kimbers Chop Meth Palin (14:41:17) :

Humane Society breaks tradition, endorses Obama:

https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=27497157

Thanks for that, just read the whole endorsement, thought it was great.

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@AnnieinWA:

Just found Yellow Wellies at Target for $24.99.

http://www.target.com/Womens-Zadie-Rain-Boots-Yellow/dp/B00193QBVO/sr=1-1/qid=1222122779/ref=sr_1_1/601-8959860-5570559?ie=UTF8&rh=k%3Ayellow%20rain%20boots&page=1
Just bought myself a pair. So, to all you Coloradoans if you see someone stomping around in yellow boots with Mudflats written in black. I’ll be wearing these boots rain or shine til election day.. 🙂

You just made my day! I was thinking about ‘changing my boots’ but now, I think I’ll have to keep them! 🙂 AKM

22 09 2008
Erin

TSPEY (14:33:51) : It’s Palin who should be scared of us. When she gets back, let’s hope she has a recall election on her hands.

phnxrising (14:42:57) : Thanks for the link to the boots. Those are great!

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

I see you reposted the link. Sorry — checking out signkid – he was out taking a pic of the sign and showing us his stripey shirt.

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

I think the Mudflats boots might be close to the LaCrosse ones. What say you AKM?

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

kimbers Chop Meth Palin (14:41:17) :

Humane Society breaks tradition, endorses Obama:

https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=27497157

Go Kimbers,

Great find! We ALL, including our animals, the Earth deserve better. This morning started with the National Police Assn endorsing Obama. This has been a good day for Obama! ENOUGH!!!

22 09 2008
Deb

gal! LOL I’ll be watching for you!

22 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

When McShame/failin lose in November, I hope mudflats will keep us up to date on the (hoped for) political downfall of the Wasilla Gorilla.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Deb (14:41:20) :

I hear your pain, Anne-

Although, from what I have gathered McCain’s plan is pretty much more of the same we’ve seen for the past 8 years-

Deb-
Thanks, and you are correct – we are preaching to the proverbial choir here!

22 09 2008
phnxrising

Erin (14:54:36),

You are welcome…..I am thinking visions of hundreds of thousands of wonderful mudflatians united in yellow boots at the polls may just be the one thing that keeps away the nightmares I have been having lately! You all are so great and reaffirm my faith in humankind the world over!!!

22 09 2008
CoyoteMarti

For ERIN 13:54:46 and all others looking to turn your repub/leaning friends and family into the light, here’s an article called A Conservative for Obama, by an ultra conservative former editor of Nat’l Review. Should still be on the home page. Author is Wick Allison. Leaves my repub friends….thinking deeply. Try it!

http://www.dmagazine.com

22 09 2008
MJC

we might be preaching to the chior, but we may be getting through to just as many lurkers.

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Gal – good price on those Wellies. Thanks for the tip. I’ll order a pair, too! I’ll wear them with pride.

22 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ Deb (14:56:53) : LOL!!!!!! If you see me, you best holler out loud…ENOUGH!!

22 09 2008
CKMN

The truth must come out a few weeks before the election so voters can judge for themselves what a mean and dishonest person Palin really is…

22 09 2008
Phoebe

Bill Clinton was just on The View & stated he liked both candidates. …..Bill, Bill, Bill …you are a traitor & a huge disappointment…long ago you sold out to Corporate America…you have sold you soul. Those of us who believed in you are profoundly disappointed.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Wonderful news about the Humane Society – I can’t imagine anyone who truly does care for animals, be it their pet dog or cat, or the diminishing wildlife which has been so neglected and further inhumanely decimated for the past 8 years, could even consider voting for this blood-red ticket. Ms. Palin is beginning to remind me of Lady MacBeth who could not wash her hands enough to get rid of the blood.

22 09 2008
MJC

CoyoteMarti,
Thanks! Excellent post.

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

I thought Bill was disappointing, too. He waited so long to even respond, and then had to say how much he likes McCain, too. Screw that.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

phnxrising (14:42:57) :

AnneinWA (14:15:43) and galwhohashadenough! (14:27:27),
Check out Target Online:

http://www.target.com/Rainboots-Shoes-Women/b?ie=UTF8&node=13913321

You will see a pair of yellow ones on sale for $24.99 if I am not mistaken.

phnxrising,

Those look like exactly what we’re looking for! Great find. I wonder if our local Target has them in stock? ooooh…that would mean I would have to get out of my pajamas, get dressed, leave the computer and go into town. Order online and wait? Telling, isn’t it? My life since Sarah Palin!

bec in Illinois,
The boots we were looking at last night only come in men’s sizes – gave you credit for the find however!

22 09 2008
CKMN

Phoebe — you’re right. I’ve never heard of any former Republican Presidents who’d said they liked Democratic Presidential candidate. What message was Bill Clinton trying to convey? No wonder he’s being called Slick Willy…

22 09 2008
Meleana aka StagTunnelPalin

Quick dash in here to let everyone know the sign is still up, Preston is home from school, and we’re trying to get him on Letterman.
email Dave at cbsmailbag@aol.com

Preston’s college fund!

22 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

When I read that Bono was going to meet with Mrs Palin I was so disgusted I decided to throw out my U2 CDs. Then I remembered I’ve never bought even one.😉

22 09 2008
jimstaro

Tonight: Live Panel Discussion, RNC Arrests, 9-22-08

Media and Law Enforcement at the Republican National Convention‏

The Real News Network, with thanks to TheUptake.org will live stream a panel discussion tonight from St. Paul Minnesota.

During the Republican National Convention this month, over 800 people were arrested by St Paul police for participating in protests. Over two dozen media were also arrested for being caught up with the protests while filming or recording the events.

Tonight from 8pm EST (North America) there will be a panel discussion from St. Paul with:

Mara Gottfried, Pioneer Press

Jonathan Malat, KARE-11

Asst. St. Paul Police Chief Matt Bostrum

St. Paul Dep. Mayor Anne Mullholland

The panel will be moderated by Al Tompkins from the Poynter Institute.

Visit TheRealNews.com and click on the banner link at the top of the website to join the discussion and live chat.

My guess would be that the Real News Network will have this Archived at their site also, some time after.

22 09 2008
Divatalk

Sorry, I’ve been away. Needed to eat.
(You know I just discovered a new diet” Mudflats program)
Get on the blog and you’ll not want to eat, lose 20lbs in 3 weeks, diet!🙂

I like the slogan you guys came up with “Enough”
That will be the deal. It will be on a Blue T’shirt with
Obama/Biden on the BACK!

I’ll let you know when it’s ready. Don’t forget the goal is to wear it on
the 30September.

.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Actually, I think it was probably wise of Mr. Clinton to say what he did. He is so reviled by the rabid right (wrong), that he may even give those fine nutty folk pause and in their muddled brains they might be going “Wuh???? If Slick Willy likes McCain, then sumpin must be wrong wif him too, so I aint gonna be a’votin neither way cum ‘lecshun day”.

22 09 2008
Meleana aka StagTunnelPalin

PLease please, say it isn’t so about Bono

22 09 2008
MJC

****I think Bill has to be very diplomatic right about now.

Former President Bill Clinton today announced the program for the 2008 Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) Annual Meeting to be held September 23-26, in New York City.

More than 130 Leading CEOs and Over 50 Current and Former Heads of State Confirmed to Attend

Queen Rania, Gordon Brown, Hamid Karzai, Al Gore, Barack Obama, John McCain, Michael Bloomberg, Lance Armstrong, Bono, Craig Barrett, and John Chambers to Address Fourth Annual Meeting

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/news/news-media/press-release-president-clinton-announces-program-for-2008-clinton-global-initiative-annual-meeting

22 09 2008
Meleana aka StagTunnelPalin

MJC is this somehow the context for a Bono-Palin meetup?

22 09 2008
Erin

I’m going to a VP debate showing at my local theatrepub here in Anchorage. If anyone out there is from Anchorage, they are giving away free tickets at the BearTooth until they’re all gone. I hope to see some of my homies (that’s you guys) there on Thursday! Oh, and there’s a discussion afterward. Should be interesting…

22 09 2008
MJC

Yes, it looks like it. All the heads of state are gathering this week, and many are attending Bill’s event.

22 09 2008
wvfurandroot

One of the things that drives me crazy about Todd acting as co-governor is the number of time I heard, regarding Hillary, “but what about Bill! You know he won’t stay out of it.”

Having Bill, a two-term president with great diplomacy skills “assist” his wife is a Great Problem of Alarming Concern, but Todd the snowmobiler isn’t.

I’m telling you, people, we’ve all fallen down the rabbit hill.

Connie, thinking about the Red Queen’s “Off with her head.”

22 09 2008
Erin

CoyoteMarti, thanks for the link! I sent it with my love to my husband.

22 09 2008
Erin

Sorry, the VP debate is NEXT Thursday. You know, to give Sarah more time to prepare.

22 09 2008
BobbyG

From Americablog:

As an emergency physician, if I were taking care of a 72-year-old man with a history of melanoma who was having episodes of confusion I would be extremely concerned. High on my priority list would be to get a brain MRI to look for metastatic melanoma. When melanoma metastasizes it commonly goes to the brain. I do not think the American people should decide whether or not to vote for Senator McCain until he has had a brain MRI and we know the results.

Here’s a quote from emedicine.com on melanoma:

“Melanoma has an increased incidence among other systemic cancers in terms of metastasizing to the brain. About 40-60% of patients with melanoma will have brain metastasis. Melanoma commonly metastasizes to the brain. Melanoma cells are closely related to CNS cells due to their embryonic origin and neural crest cells, and they share common antigens such as MAG-1 and MAG-2. After melanoma is detected in the brain, median survival is 3 months. These metastases are poorly responsive to all treatments.”

http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/reader-mail-about-mccains-health.html

President Palin. Nightmare scenario for this nation.

22 09 2008
Phoebe

@mjc
Bill, Bill, Bill allways the pragmatic. While the country is in disarry you make sure you get your due.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Phoebe and Bec in Illinois,

I haven’t watched Bill on The View yet, although I TIVO’d him for later scrutiny. Here’s where I am with Bill Clinton. I figure HE OWES ME.

I voted for him twice and stood with him during the Lewinski fiasco (with my Repub husband shouting “Told ya’ so! EVERY DAY!)…but I digress.

During those “impeachment years”, I was teaching 4th, 5th and 6th grade students, and for those of us who are old enough to remember, the term “oral sex”, the question “was it REALLY sex?” became the red meat of primetime news and common dinner table conversation.

I have NEVER had to answer so many questions, about the sexual behavior of a president, while in the company of 10, 11, 12, and 13-year-old kids! That’s above my pay grade and was truly an awful experience for me. Don’t get me wrong, I teach sex-ed every year as our state curriculum requires (abstinence, protection, STD’s, HIV/AIDS and I am quite okay with that).

Of course, the motives and reasonableness of the charges always loomed (although I would be immediately dismissed from my job if the mere charge of sexual impropriety was brought against me, as an agent of the state), and I stood behind a man I believed to be a good, though flawed, president…but now I think he owes me – AND YOU – by backing Obama FOR REAL.

Before any of you jump on me for thumpin’ on Bill, you must understand that I will always be able to defend the record of Clinton and his administration – NOT BUSH’s. But I do have to admit I was disappointed in Bill’s behavior in that oval office.

22 09 2008
Anon

Wow, I almost went a whole day without coming here!🙂

For Erin, and anyone else whose spouses are GOPers who might be need a bit more info to be converted to Team Obama/Biden, here’s a quote I got from my Obama canvassing sheet for Pennsylvania. (These are quotes we could have read to voters on specific issues when we were door-to-door): “GUNS. Barack is not going to take away your guns. He has the utmost respect for the 2nd Amendment; both he and Joe Biden are constitutional law professors. As President, he will protect your right to purchase, own, transport and use guns.”

(Personally, I am a major gun control person.)

22 09 2008
Laurie

Phoebe…re: Bill Clinton on the View

I think he did the right thing. Why alienate a repub who may be thinking of voting dem.

Theirs an old saying…keep your friends close…and your enemies closer. I feel Clinton is doing the exact thing he needs to.

22 09 2008
Spoon Archer Palin

lurkaloo (12:24:09) :

Avoid the PBS poll. It does take 5 seconds so you can do 12 in a minute or 720 in an hour. Instead do as I did and email PBS and tell them to take down such an invalid instrument of measurement. They are better than that.

22 09 2008
Laurie

God…theres…not theirs.

22 09 2008
nunya

HO-LY crap, Palin and her ilk are perfect replacements for Bush and Cheney.
arrrrrgh.

22 09 2008
Anon

Correction above. I should have written “gun-loving GOPers who might need more info…”

Well, you get the idea. It’s a short talking point on Obama’s second amendment stance for anyone in the GOP, the NRA, etc.

22 09 2008
Soldotna Sue

Sad but true:

We keep getting messages to contact our Senators and Representatives to express our opposition to the massive bailout of Wall Street. However, one of Alaska’s Senators(Ted Stevens) started his corruption trail in D.C. today. Our only Representative (Don Young) has already spent over $1 million on legal fees this year because he’s under investigation by the F.B.I. So, he has to look out for his our ass and could care less about ours. That leaves Senator Lisa Murkowski who was appointed by her father while he was the Governor of Alaska! Ha! Now you know why this site was correctly named mudflats! Alaskans are up to their eyeballs in the mud of Republican corruption, and many of us are soooooo weary of it.

22 09 2008
MJC

***I don’t know if this is a new development in the Troopergate Investigation.

Attorneys for Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Met With a Special Investigator for the Alaska Personnel Board

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5860555&page=1

This is new… Apparently she has decided to cooperate with the investigation by the personnel board. That’s the ethics complaint she filed against herself so that it would be investigated not by the Legislature, but by a 3-person governor appointed all-Republican board. A few days ago she filed for her own complaint against herself to be dismissed. Now apparently she may be changing her mind. This has nothing to do with the ‘official’ investigation by the legislature. Now I’m going to go lie down because I’m dizzy… AKM

22 09 2008
Phoebe

@AnnieinWa
Yes, I feel the same way. I have a daughter that was about that age, (Monica’s), at that time & although I supported him I had some difficulty accepting his behavior. The reason I bring this up is that…… yes….Bill owes us. ” If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.”

22 09 2008
Suzanne

From the Humane Society today:

While McCain’s positions on animal protection have been lukewarm, his choice of running mate cemented our decision to oppose his ticket. Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R-Alaska) retrograde policies on animal welfare and conservation have led to an all-out war on Alaska’s wolves and other creatures. Her record is so extreme that she has perhaps done more harm to animals than any other current governor in the United States.

Palin engineered a campaign of shooting predators from airplanes and helicopters, in order to artificially boost the populations of moose and caribou for trophy hunters. She offered a $150 bounty for the left foreleg of each dead wolf as an economic incentive for pilots and aerial gunners to kill more of the animals, even though Alaska voters had twice approved a ban on the practice. This year, the issue was up again for a vote of the people, and Palin led the fight against it — in fact, she helped to spend $400,000 of public funds to defeat the initiative.

What’s more, when the Bush Administration announced its decision to list the polar bear as threatened under the Endangered Species Act, Palin filed a lawsuit to reverse that decision. She said it’s the “wrong move” to protect polar bears, even though their habitat is shrinking and ice floes are vanishing due to global warming.

The choice for animals is especially clear now that Palin is in the mix. If Palin is put in a position to succeed McCain, it could mean rolling back decades of progress on animal issues.

Please, please send this article to every animal lover you know. Also, the Humane Society NEVER endorses a presidential candidate. That just shows you how much Palin has energized animal lovers every.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

CoyoteMarti (15:02:33) :

For ERIN 13:54:46 and all others looking to turn your repub/leaning friends and family into the light, here’s an article called A Conservative for Obama, by an ultra conservative former editor of Nat’l Review. Should still be on the home page. Author is Wick Allison. Leaves my repub friends….thinking deeply. Try it!

http://www.dmagazine.com

CoyoteMarti ,

THANK YOU! Great post. It’s an article I WILL send to all my McCain “dug-in” leaning acquaintances AND relatives!

22 09 2008
Reklaw

Someone earlier mentioned they thought Katy Couric will be soft on Palin. I disagree. For one thing, Katy Couric’s reputation is on the line. Since she moved to the evening news, she hasn’t done what they network execs were hoping. Another thing is that Katy CAN be hard hitting with Palin as she is a woman herself. I think she can ask tougher questions and not be blamed for playing the gender card.

I’m hoping Palin does every bit as well as she did on ABC with Charlie. That should bring at least a few more undecided voters to their senses and to Obama/Biden!

22 09 2008
Anonymous

Just heard about Dodd’s proposal -makes better sense………of course the “major sticking point” with Paulson is ……..you guessed it …… CEO compensation………..remember folks……..this guy left Goldman Sachs with over a 100 million parachute……………ladies and children please cover your eyes……………..this guy is a DOUCHE BAG!!!!! I mean seriously………I guess after 8 years of Bush ……..they think we’ll go for this.

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Phoebe (15:52:37) :

Yes, I feel the same way. I have a daughter that was about that age, (Monica’s), at that time & although I supported him I had some difficulty accepting his behavior. The reason I bring this up is that…… yes….Bill owes us. ” If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.”

Phoebe,
You know I agree with you!

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Anonymous (15:55:24) :
Just heard about Dodd’s proposal -makes better sense………of course the “major sticking point” with Paulson is ……..you guessed it …… CEO compensation………..remember folks……..this guy left Goldman Sachs with over a 100 million parachute……………ladies and children please cover your eyes……………..this guy is a DOUCHE BAG!!!!! I mean seriously………I guess after 8 years of Bush ……..they think we’ll go for this.

Anonymous,
I listened to the Senate debates today – they’re working hard for regulation, CEO compensation at federal salary levels and more. You would have been proud of Durbin, Webb and others. We need to support them.

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Wow Annie – so glad I wasn’t a teacher having to go through that – but my son was about that age! With my kids grown now though, I’ve really been noticing all the Viagara ads and keep wondering how many questions parents get daily from the quite suggestive TV ads on all the time. Yikes! (You remember who started all of that — Bob Dole. But at least in his Viagara ads we didn’t see him posing in side-by-side bathtubs out by a lake with Elizabeth!)

I still wish he would respond faster when asked about Obama. He openly supports him. Hillary does too. Don’t drag out the response. Someone else put it well (commentor on MSNBC) — Clinton does NOT want to see his successes further eroded by a Bush-like admin.

Gotta go for a walk — have to STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER! At least I’m not still in my nightgown. How about you today, Annie? LOL

22 09 2008
Mary

PBS now has a vote whether Palin is qualified to be vp. Right wingers are flooding it so please vote. It is quick and easy.

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

Please pass this message on.

22 09 2008
portland oregon native

Hi all,
Way…back up at the beginning someone asked about Anne Kilkenny.
I have been in brief communication with her. Today she writes to me that she has had over 13,000 emails and “nothing will ever be the same again”.
I congratulated her on her bravery and told her she had performed a real public service by shedding the first critical light on S/P.
This lady deserves a real shout out and a big thank you from all of us on the mudflats!

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Bec in Illinois (15:59:45) :

I still wish he would respond faster when asked about Obama. He openly supports him. Hillary does too. Don’t drag out the response. Someone else put it well (commentor on MSNBC) — Clinton does NOT want to see his successes further eroded by a Bush-like admin.

Gotta go for a walk — have to STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER! At least I’m not still in my nightgown. How about you today, Annie? LOL

Bec,
I confess – I am still in my pajamas! My horse has been looking at me through the window, longingly, wanting some attention, and here I sit. I set the timer for ONE HOUR when I sat down here this morning…at about 8:30 a.m…promising myself I would stay NO LONGER! Yikes! Where’s that 12-step Mudflats program???

22 09 2008
CKMN

Anonymous (15:55:24) :

Just heard about Dodd’s proposal -makes better sense………of course the “major sticking point” with Paulson is ……..you guessed it …… CEO compensation………..remember folks……..this guy left Goldman Sachs with over a 100 million parachute……………ladies and children please cover your eyes……………..this guy is a DOUCHE BAG!!!!! I mean seriously………I guess after 8 years of Bush ……..they think we’ll go for this.
————————————————–

Of course, that’s why both Paulson and Bush kept saying Congress should rush to approve the bailout…they stand to gain. Obama has said, there needs to include something good for the Main St as well…

22 09 2008
sarah

the sarah palin pregnancy decision map…

too funny!!!🙂

22 09 2008
Quiet Advocate

This is off the topic, but I just saw an ad, the racist ad, on ABC. I had not seen it in MD, probably because most of us are not interested in these ads. It made me nauseated, so I wrote to ABC to remove the ad.

http://abc.go.com/site/contactus_news.html?newsShow=thisweek&from=

22 09 2008
Suzanne

Jonathan Alter from Newsweek, on Keith just said that the angry, over reactive McCain spokespeople is a reflection of the candidate, and his temperment passing down to the staff.

This is exactly what we do not need in these times, an angry, over reactive, hot tempered person with access to the military.

22 09 2008
SMR

@Erin re: debate @ beartooth,

thanks for the heads up about debate at Beartooth. We don’t get television or cable here at our house (not a priority!), so wouldn’t have been able to watch it otherwise. I’ve got my aunt on the job of procuring tix for us. How about if we & other local mudflatters all wear our wellies to the debate as a sign of mudflats solidarity. Some may think it’s a thing about us feeling that the sh*t might get deep, but we’ll know better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

22 09 2008
Phoebe

@Bec in Ill

Yes, we accepted some unscrupulous behavor from him…I guess Hillary has accepted this thourghout their marriage, but that’s her business. My gripe is that they have sold us out & are looking towards 2012. They helped to make the blueprint for McCain’s campaign & so they are always significant. Hill’s biggest supporter, DeRothchild, now supports McCain…what does that tell you.

22 09 2008
ocliberal

re: the pbs poll. Well I”ve voted at least 5 times now which is patently ridiculous. Also, I am always highly suspicious of a poll that doesn’t tell you how many responses it has had.

I think we should all ignore the PBS poll and instead urge our friends and associates to read up on this crisis and what the necons are trying to pull on the American taxpayers now.

I urge anyone who doesn’t understand this crisis, to take the time and read this excellent summary.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/21/9322/74248/245/602838

This is the chronology of the current crisis.

The Keating Five
John McCain
S&L Crisis of the late 80’s
Phil Gramm
Enron ‘loophole’
The rape of California by Enron
“Credit Default Swaps”
Alan Greenspan
Phil Gramm
John McCain
The rape of America – 2008

22 09 2008
Uganik Homesteader

It seems that Palin’s refusal to meet with press and take questions from the crowd is wearing very thin, and McCain has been loosing ground in ratings
and pollings. Now you have Alaska once again on the front page with Uncle Ted’s trial.

The current issues in AK regarding T/Gate will continue, and many Alaska residents, regardless of affiliation are opposed to outsiders suddenly telling Alaskans what they can and cannot do. Palin will not personally respond to the questions of transparency after stating she would fully cooperate which is contrary to the policies she ran on as candidate for governor.

Folks are becoming genuinely and rightfully concerned, and by the volume of complaints surfacing, some folks are beginning to speculate it might be problematic for Palin to be able to effectively govern upon returning to Alaska after the election.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/palin-to-meet-w.html

Well, folks. Democracy (Republican style) in action. She won’t talk to the American public, but she has been set up to speak to various heads of state. I hope the women of New York turn out IN DROVES to protest this farce. And while they’re at it, grab her left leg and send it off to Alaska – you might get $150 for it.

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Annie — I seriously needed to start that 12-Step program this morning! And darn – if I didn’t find two McCain signs in my neighborhood on that walk. But I had a little laugh, because one of the houses was for sale (and has been a while!)

Phoebe – please don’t give too much stock to DeRothchild. Did you see her on TV? Ridiculous. It was like a SNL skit. But I don’t get other Hillary supporters who can be for Hillary and now McCain. They aren’t being honest about their original reasons for supporting Hillary then.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Frankly, I find this whole treatment of this ignorant bimbo a travesty and SEXIST to the nth degree. She is a disgrace to all intelligent women and a pawn for all manipulating men. I am beyond disgust for this “new” Republican Party. It has devolved into cheap thrills of little substance. Shame on them.

22 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

But I don’t get other Hillary supporters who can be for Hillary and now McCain.
____________

They were along for the ride. They certainly would not have been Hillary’s choice, just incidental flotsam and jetsam. Palin and McCain are welcome to them. Why dilute decency with trivialities?

22 09 2008
mvngfwd aka WMD Cessna

Great article…
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-stein19-2008sep19,0,6091394.column

FORT LAUDERDALE, FLA. — If you need proof that this is the most important election in a generation, get this: Jewish grandkids are flying to Florida to visit their grandparents — without being guilted into it without being guilted into it — to talk their elders out of voting for John McCain.

22 09 2008
Scotsgirl

The Beartooth? Is that the movie theatre run by the Moose’s Tooth Brew Pub? I lived in Alaska and that was one of the few things I liked about it!
Avril,
Houston Tx

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

Bec in Illinois (16:26:50) :

Annie — I seriously needed to start that 12-Step program this morning! And darn – if I didn’t find two McCain signs in my neighborhood on that walk. But I had a little laugh, because one of the houses was for sale (and has been a while!)

Bec,

I am now at that time of day when I ask myself, “Is it worth getting dressed at all?” Hmmm! Keith O. is on, dinner in front of the TV – I can eat, watch, stay at Mudflats – what more could I ask for? I am an addicted woman. However, I am signing off for now. I have to get back to work for Obama. What will I do on Nov 5th (after the celebration, that is!)

22 09 2008
NMJ

Stuff is starting to come out about McCain, now. Check out this superb investigative article by Pulitzer prize-winning author Sydney H. Schanberg, published on The Nation Institute (byline: Dedicated to a Free and Independent Press).

“Dolores Alfond, sister of missing airman Capt. Victor Apodaca and chair of the National Alliance of Families, an organization of relatives of POW/MIAs, testified at one of the Senate committee’s public hearings.” I saw part of the Senate committee hearings on TV. McCain was a powerful member of the committee because of his POW status, and proves himself a bully who is (and has been) capable of anything.

This is the original version, with document proof attached:
McCain and the POW Cover-up
The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam

http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

This is the abridged version, minus the supporting documents:
McCain and the POW Cover-up
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/schanberg

22 09 2008
CoyoteMarti

To Phoebe and Bec in IL, concerning De Rothschild’s “defection” to McCain, my sources pretty high up in the Clinton campaign said she and one other high roller supporter were there to snag an ambasadorship after Clinton won. Ain’t no way they would have gotten such from Obama, so they were REALLY POd.

22 09 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

RE: OLD FART versus REAL SMART

Careful, I called McCain an old fart in a post and got flamed in e-mail.

People are frustrated, it is nice to have a safe place to vent.

22 09 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

The answer to “Where is Obama’s plan?”:
It’s on the website, where you can read it for yourself.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Of course, when people ask that question (echoing McCain), it is actually a rhetorical question intended to stand for the false notion that Obama doesn’t have a plan. So that is the OTHER answer:

If you wanted to know about Obama’s plan, you would have read it on his website. You’re looking for an excuse to vote for McCain, because there is no good reason to do so.

22 09 2008
Cal Al

Thanks for keeping us posted on Troopergate AKM. I just got home from work and the first thing I did was get on to see what was up in the grand state of Alaska. I appreciate all the work that you do to keep us all informed with your well-written and informative pieces. Have you considered writing a book or becoming a journalist yourself?

22 09 2008
NMJ

Did anyone see 60 Minutes last night? Did you catch that point in McCain’s interview when he was asked if he would continue the war in Iraq even if the majority of people in the U.S. were again?

The first words out of his mouth were, “Well, what the people want isn’t important…”!

22 09 2008
Phoebe

@Coyote Marti

Thanks, makes sense. She certainly seemed “elitist”.

22 09 2008
RLS

@NMJ

Not too sure about that Nation article. Check out

http://www.miafacts.org

A very extensive site. I think you would find it interesting.

22 09 2008
C from CO

V.P., Flat Earth Society (14:36:41)

Could you please repost the link to the 1989 article about the Keating 5?
Thank you!

22 09 2008
Phoebe

@NMJ

God, can we really live with four more years of this crap…….it’s fascism!!

22 09 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

AZtopcat (12:10:49) : It seems to me if you have a ex brother-inlaw who is employed and healthy therefore, he can pay child support for his kids.
___________________________________

That’s the very reason Palin and her Dood were gunning for Wooten. They wanted him unable to pay child support so they could then demand he be jailed. Elementary really.

22 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Well, it seems to me that there is no limit to the distance SWWNBN will go to get even. No wonder you folks in Alaska are in fear of her and her strong-armed husband.

Never mind what she could do to Americans all over the country, could we expect the same kind of dealing with other countries?

I can no longer believe that people in public office can behave in this fashion with apparent impunity!

22 09 2008
Suchanut

Scotsgirl (16:37:43) :

The Beartooth? Is that the movie theatre run by the Moose’s Tooth Brew Pub? I lived in Alaska and that was one of the few things I liked about it!
Avril,
Houston Tx
__________________________

Yep, Avril, that would be the place! When are you coming back?

I just got home – it is very, very hard not to post from work, but I have to confine myself to reading a lunchtime – no sense in asking for trouble.

It makes me so happy that you all are sticking around during the day and posting great links and super comments.

I’m ordering my boots from Target tonight!

AKM – Rock On!!!

22 09 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

Anne in WA–Bill Clinton did terrible damage to the institution of the presidency. Sure, the right wing set a “perjury trap” for him, figuring that he would lie about one or another of his indiscretions. Their willingness to tie up the country to get at Clinton (and/or get back for the Nixon impeachment) was inexcusable.

That said, Clinton lied under oath. We can see now, with the perfect clarity of hindsight, where that road leads: lies about WMD, lies about Saddam and 9/11, lies about outing a CIA agent and so on. Lies, stonewalling, and bitter political knife-fighting for partisan advantage (Republicans) or political survival (Clinton). Most sane people didn’t want a president thrown out of office for lying about sex, so he wasn’t convicted. But now we have a president committing crimes involving war (lying about the intelligence, illegal surveillance of citizens, breaking the law by politicizing the Justice Department, allowing war profiteers to loot the treasury, advocating torture and then holding troops at the field level to take the punishment, etc.

So why no Bush/Cheney impeachment? For the Dems, the last one led to a one-term president (Carter) and 20 out of 28 years, post-Carter, of either Republican presidents or a Democratic presidency spoiled by right-wing prosecution. Going after Bush would look like payback for Clinton. And thus Bush has had a free hand to consolidate executive power at the expense of Congress and everyone else. The whole country might have been better off if Clinton had stepped down, Gore had stepped up.

That’s not me bashing Clinton; that’s me looking at the consequences of bad presidential behavior by Clinton.

PS–Rachel is covering Troopergate again….

22 09 2008
SMR

@scotsgirl: yes beartooth is the theater/eatery run by the moose’s tooth group.

To everyone else: If you’ve not seen the great article about our little sign watch effort, I think it’s on huffington post and it’s INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You’ll find it uplifting after all of this crap news!

However, in an interesting sidenote to this post by AKM, there is now news out about Sarah “cooperating.”

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Coyote – that is interesting about the ambassador thing. I can really see that. But I would have screamed if Hill had awarded her one.

All during the final days of Hillary’s campaign, all I could think of when I heard her ranting and raving campaign staff on the news shows — they all thought they had DC jobs in the bag and now they are mad as hell. Especially her over-excitable campaign manager. Now he has calmed down and is working for Obama – probably in hopes they’ll find him something, somewhere. There are a lot of jobs to fill. But I hope Obama will do the job distribution right when he takes office. — Not go by those in his high school yearbook.

22 09 2008
Erin

portland oregon native (16:03:03) :

Could you post Anne’s email so we can thank her in person?

22 09 2008
Erin

SMR- I think wearing our boots is a great idea! Now we’ll be able to find each other. See you there!

22 09 2008
Laura

I’m hopeful that Reklaw is right.
Katie Couric has some off-putting ways. Her questions are too long, and sometimes to soft or too inane.

BUT before becoming a TODAY anchor, she was a Washington correspondent for TODAY. She is fairly bright (graduated from competitive college, active in activities, with good GPA) even if she doesn’t have the professional presence. And she has LOTS of time to prepare for a short segment, not much that has to be spontaneous (which is when she shines as the girl-next-door-but-not-too-challenging) and LOTS of people to help her who want her to look good. I think she can pull it off, although I’m holding my breath a little bit.

22 09 2008
Phoebe

@LJP…Amen

22 09 2008
Anon

First, MJC wrote: “***I don’t know if this is a new development in the Troopergate Investigation.Attorneys for Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Met With a Special Investigator for the Alaska Personnel Boardhttp://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5860555&page=1″

Then AKM wrote: ” This is new… Apparently she has decided to cooperate with the investigation by the personnel board. That’s the ethics complaint she filed against herself so that it would be investigated not by the Legislature, but by a 3-person governor appointed all-Republican board. A few days ago she filed for her own complaint against herself to be dismissed. Now apparently she may be changing her mind. This has nothing to do with the ‘official’ investigation by the legislature. Now I’m going to go lie down because I’m dizzy… AKM”

And now I say: AKM, I’m dizzy, too. Can you possibly please explain this or parse this further? So Palin has decided NOT to dismiss HER OWN complaint against herself, and instead she will let 3 of her GOP friends (a group she appointed) investigate her..And this is in ADDITION to the “official legislative investigation?” So there are two arms to the Troopergate investigation?

Why this would possibly be a smart move for SP? Does Palin think that if her 3 friends come to a different conclusion than the “official investigation,” it will make her look better? Because that’s really strange. How can anyone think a 3-person, Palin-appointed, all GOP committee’s decision would seem non-partisan? I mean, at least the legislature’s official investigation has 3 or 4 Dems on it, as opposed to being entirely GOP–even though most of the members are in the GOP.

I guess I’m struggling to see why Palin would do this and if you (or anyone else!) have any thoughts on this, I’m sure we’d all like to hear something more. Thank you for all you do!

22 09 2008
kimosabe

Near the end of the Clinton years, the Washington Post polled 1000 women to ask if they would have sex with Bill.

85 percent said ….

NEVER AGAIN!

22 09 2008
Cal Al

@Deb (13:52:46) ,

“The post read something to the effect as a request for Cindy McCain’s outfit that she wore to the convention. If I sold off her dress I could pay off my mortgage, my car loan, and my credit card bills, pay off the parent loans on my kid’s college, put some in my savings for retirement, and have a LITTLE left over for a “rainy day”.”
_______________

If you had Cindy’s voluptuous banana dress (yum). You could also pay for the emails that Cyr would like to get his hands on.

What does Cindy do with those dresses anyways? They can only be worn once.

Who gets them?

22 09 2008
Scotsgirl

@Suchanut and SMR – Great pizza and great beer (according to the husband!)
As for coming back – you couldn’t get me back for all the tea in China – I hated it. (We lived in the Sahalee Subdivision). Most of the people I met were very conservative and were big NRA people – soooo not me!

22 09 2008
larina

Also from the Huntington Post–I can always count on Naomi Wolff to scare me half to death, but this is really important for people to read. If you haven’t read the other article she references in this one, you can find it at The Guardian:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/the-battle-plan-ii-sarah_b_128393.html

22 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society
22 09 2008
Phoebe

@Cal Al

Don’t know much about fashion, but thought Cindy’s dress looked a little like what Ann Margaret wore in Bye Bye Birdie. Expensive, but pedestiran & very 50’s. I guess repubs don’t wear pant suits.

Peace

22 09 2008
Rust Mustang Palin

Rachel is talking about Palin and the first Dood –“Palin’s de facto chief of staff” and Troopergate. She is now interviewing the Alaska State Senate President.

22 09 2008
daMama

NMJ (16:46:56) :

Did anyone see 60 Minutes last night? Did you catch that point in McCain’s interview when he was asked if he would continue the war in Iraq even if the majority of people in the U.S. were again?

The first words out of his mouth were, “Well, what the people want isn’t important…”!

Pardon me? He really said that? Well now, don’t we all know where we stand don’t we. I am going to have to go look that up and watch it if they’ve got it posted.

22 09 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

Lyda Green on Rachel Maddow….

22 09 2008
Scotsgirl

I just e mailed and respectfully asked CBS to allow Ms Couric to ask Ms Palin serious questions – woman to woman so ther can be no ‘bias’ or sexism.
Let’s hope she’s ‘allowed’ to !

22 09 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

I am so confused. I thought Palin filed an ethics violation against herself so the Personnel Board (the 3 people who rely on her for their jobs) could decide whether or not she’s been a bad governor. Then I thought she filed to remove the Personnel Board investigation because “they couldn’t find anything that Palin ever did wrong.” Now ABC is reporting that Palin’s attorney is meeting with the Personnel Board about resuming the investigation. Is this a joke? Who’s on first?

22 09 2008
Anon

Hey, Joy. I am confused about it, too. I hope AKM will enlighten us further.🙂

22 09 2008
Cal Al

@Phoebe (15:52:37)
So true…Bill “owes us” and until he makes up for the damages I am no Clinton fan. As a die-hard democrat in a family of repugs I could only hold my breath.

The stink was pretty bad and he has never really made up for the embarrassment and the disappointment. So far his support for our O has been frigid and dismissive. I am seriously pissed off and I am sorry, but Hillary has not abandoned ship. Until she does, I cannot and will not support her.

There is much that I liked about Bill…but to be honest, I always saw him as slick Willie.

Obama is made of finer stuff….that man makes me want to be a better person and to serve my country in a more meaningful way.

Speaking of stink…I read something good today. Paraphrasing…..”Whenever McCain sends out a disgusting fart…he turns around and blames it on Obama”

Something about McCain always reminds me of an irresponsible teen….he has never really grown up.

22 09 2008
Cal Al

This article by Naomi Wolf is excellent and a bit frightening. Please send it all of your pig-headed acquaintances, friends and family. ( I just sent it to my mom…I will hearing about that in the morning)

The Battle Plan II: Sarah “Evita” Palin, the Muse of the Coming Police State

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/the-battle-plan-ii-sarah_b_128393.html

22 09 2008
Kathy

You know what? As a nearly fifty, tired, jaded lady, I don’t even need Obama to be inspiring. He’s an impressive speaker and writer, true enough. Just a reasonable person, a reasonably intelligent person who won’t enact more bizarro nutjob extremist policies, that’s what I want, and that’s what Obama is at the minimum! I’ll take it.

22 09 2008
rachelbirds

You’ve most likely seen
this piece about the First Dude,
but if not, it’s good.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/22/politics/washingtonpost/main4467100.shtml

http://www.thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com

22 09 2008
reveur1147

@diva — the 30th it is, for GObama Blue Solidarity Day ! I agree with “Enough !!!” or “Yes We Can” for the front of the T-shirts. I also like, “SO Happy I’m BLUE”

22 09 2008
Julie in Alaska

Okay, I finally got why this whole mess was ringing a faint bell from the past. No, not an Alaskan story, but a New Mexico one. Sarah Palin’s tactics, if these allegations are correct, reminds me so much of one Debbie Jaramillo, former mayor of Santa Fe. Same petty stuff, same tactics….only Debbie got voted out eventually, when she had attacked so many of her staff and the city council. This is like that. This stinks. Look her up if you have time….

22 09 2008
Alaskan Dave Down Under

I’ll delurk now…

Hi AKM. Even before I left Fairbanks for South Oz in 2000 I had heard of Sarah Palin. My first thought was, “Wow, she sounds like a product of North Pole.” (NP Alaska is 13 miles south east of Fairbanks for those of you who don’t know, and a bastion of ultra conservatives in the middle of an ultra conservative area)

I also thought it’s a good thing for the rest of Alaskans that she’s only mayor of Wazuula (Wasilla) and not going anywhere.

Oh how wrong I was…

Anyways, being out of the country for the last 8 years (but keeping up with news and things), I can safely tell you that the whole rest of the world (or at least South Aus) is not only terrified of what’ll happen if McPalin is elected, but we also can not understand how in the last seven years the US has let one of it’s most precious possessions slip away: Freedom.

I’ll stop ranting now as I know I’m preaching to the choir.

I’m doing my best to parody Sarah Palin with my parrot pics, folks seem to like the cartoons so feel free to stop by anytime.

I think you and Phil Munger, Celtic Diva, KoKon and all the other Alaskan bloggers are doing a great job getting the word out about Sarah.

When’s the recall petitions start? If I was still in Squarebanks I’d be one of the local volunteers.

cheers to all from Oz,
dave

22 09 2008
Cal Al

@Phoebe (17:40:41)

I was thinking of that yellow number on the first day of the conventions…is that pedestrian? (I still think it looked like a “yummy” banana…for the dudes that is)

If so…man I really have to get cable so that I can tune into to that fashion show…”project runway”?

As for bye Birdie…I used to be theatre freak (you can tell by the way I spell it … and now I forget what that play is about…cheesecake?)

22 09 2008
AnneinWA

LJP aka Revolver Trooper (17:03:37) :

Anne in WA–Bill Clinton did terrible damage to the institution of the presidency. Sure, the right wing set a “perjury trap” for him, figuring that he would lie about one or another of his indiscretions. Their willingness to tie up the country to get at Clinton (and/or get back for the Nixon impeachment) was inexcusable.

That said, Clinton lied under oath. We can see now, with the perfect clarity of hindsight, where that road leads:

LJP aka Revolver Trooper
YES! Spot on! EXCELLENT POST…AND…regarding Rachel Madow – I just finished watching her show and am revived!

22 09 2008
sauerkraut

yanno… if it were any politician other than Sarah Palin, Al Gonzales’ former employees at DOJ’s Public Corruption Unit would already be getting a grand jury together for possible indictiments. Or they might simply forward along an Information.

But Sarah Palin is the republican media darling and the PCU has lost its mission and its collective nuts. For no reason except politics, the watchdogs who keep the crooked politicians away from public office have lost their fangs.

22 09 2008
sauerkraut

… wiping the lipstink off the pitbull…

one voter at a time.

22 09 2008
Mac

Actually, many Alaskans may not not know how strange the Troopergate bedfellows really are. First of all, the independent investigator may have to recuse himself from the investigation. Why, because he may not be as independent as many think. Branchflower is not as independent as everyone indicates. Monegan worked with Branchflower’s wife for 16 in the Anchorage Police Department. Mr. Branchflower himself was also very involved with the the APD. Read the full story.

22 09 2008
SMR

Go home Mac. You’re not wanted here.

22 09 2008
SMR

Could somebody please join me in giving Gerald McBeath a serious smackdown via email for his ridiculous statement in this article? I’m talking email innundation here!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/21/politics/fromtheroad/entry4464116.shtml

What is a Dept head from Univ of AK-Fairbanks doing be so frigging stupid????????????????

22 09 2008
sauerkraut

methinks Marnie at 12:57 is onto something.

and I like how she inserts “bitches” into her commentary 😉

22 09 2008
Leather Steak Palin

http://hslf.typepad.com/

This is a differnt link to the Humane Society – good pic of Obama holding Baby, the Puppy Mill dog and if you scroll way down you will see SP sitting next to a bear rug, wearing another animal, and a dead moose – not sure if she killed all three

RE: Troopergate e-mails – it is typical for an agency – even government to charge for the time (overtime) it takes the IT department to gather the e-mails, convert to a format that can be opened without the e-mail software, copy to a CD (cost of CD @ .25 cents) – the estimate has to be completely made up or I need to look for a job in AK

22 09 2008
NMJ

RLS (16:49:23) : Not too sure about that Nation article.

I looked thru that site you mentioned. Much of it seems to be pushback on criticisms of McCain’s behavior as a POW. His record as a POW is not an issue. I searched his entire site, and only found one mention of Sydney H. Schanberg, in a footnote, so I’m guessing he doesn’t have a problem with Schanberg. I’m also usually skeptical of sites that are heavy on emotion and light on facts.

I Googled Joe Schlatter and found that he is a person of controversy. Many military personnel and former POW’s express disgust and dismay at his vituperative writing, fact-twisting, and dismissal of pretty much any missing military personnel in the world who was not a POW.

Here is a small sample of what some think of him:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.org/schlatter_joe.htm
http://www.rossie.com/schlatter.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/5434/Myths.htm

I think I’ll stick with the Pulitzer prize-winner who witnessed combat first-hand as a reporter in India and Indochina.

22 09 2008
portland oregon native

mac you are a TROLL! go away!
re: Anne Kilkenny of Wasilla, AK a true hero of this sturggle!
I am reluctant to post Anne Kilkenny of Wasilla’s email because she has had 13,000 !!! emails already. And she has only dial up connections.
I know she reads these posts when she gets a bit of time…let’s set up forum page for her and we can contact her that way.
AKM…any other suggestions?
Thanks

22 09 2008
sauerkraut

Sony Bono is going to meet up with Sarah Palin?? Did I read that correctly?

Didn’t Bono like… try to french kiss a tree whilst skiing?

22 09 2008
Charles

Beyond the simple revenge issue, potentially using a governor’s influence over contracting to pressure a contractor into serving her private interests sounds corrupt as hell, like some kind of reverse influence peddling. There’s got to be some law against that?

22 09 2008
loudelf

Aren’t most blogs supposed to be discussions/debates of ideas? I happened to read through the comments near the bottom, and I see portland oregon native and SMR refer to this MAC as a “troll” and that he’s not wanted, all because he states an opinion, that seems to be rooted in about as much fact as most of the rest of this conjecture. I think if you want a support group, they have those, but to be mean-spirited because someone disagrees with your opinion is kind of counter-liberal, don’t you think?

22 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

LOL Sauerkraut! — Sony Bono is going to meet up with Sarah Palin?? Did I read that correctly? Didn’t Bono like… try to french kiss a tree whilst skiing?


We are talking Bono of U2 – the Band. Activist and highly regarded world “ambassador.” He is known to reach out to everyone, but she doesn’t deserve to have a chat with him! I’d love to see a video cam of that meet-up.

22 09 2008
Pacificnwgal

I can just see the next SNL….. Todd acting as Sarah’s spy out there photographing people on their hit list. Hillarious! I mean, really! Don’t these people have more important things to do? So this is what our country has come to…. a huge soap opera for real.

22 09 2008
Scotsgirl

Anyone back from the event at the Bear’s Tooth tonight in Anchorage? Dying to hear what went on……

22 09 2008
Scotsgirl

Of course I have forgotten the time difference….it’s 11 45 here!

22 09 2008
Mac

Thank you loudelf. Here’s the link to Mr. Branchflower’s resume from the Anchorage Daily News website:

http://community.adn.com/sites/community.adn.com/files/SEB%27s%202008%20Resume.doc

A .pdf version is on the Alaska State Senate’s website in Senator Kim Elton’s directory below:
http://www.aksenate.org/elton/080108_Branchflower_Resume.pdf

The resume clearly indicates Mr. Branchflower’s connections to the Anchorage Police Department as well as the fact his wife was a detective in the APD.

The December 18, 2001 minutes from the Anchorage Assembly recognized Detective Linda J. Branchflower for her 16 years of service in the Anchorage Police Department. A quote from para. 9. a. 1.:

9. CONSENT AGENDA:
Ms Shamberg moved, to approve all items on the consent agenda
seconded by Mr. Tremaine, as amended.
A. RESOLUTIONS FOR ACTION – PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS
1. Resolution No. AR 2001-364, a resolution of the Anchorage Municipal
Assembly recognizing and honoring Detective Linda J. Branchflower for
nearly 16 years of service with the Anchorage Police Department,

The link for the quote abovie is:
http://www.muni.org/iceimages/assembly2/12-18-2001.pdf

Chief Monegan was with APD from 1974 to 2006. He was the top cop from 2001 to 2006. The APD isn’t that big. Everyone knows everyone else. Detective Branchflower was directly subordinate to Monegan for about a year.

Also, if any of you require contact information for Senators’ Gunny Hollis, Kim Elton, Bettye Davis, or Johnny Ellis, you can just go to aksenate.org.

When you contact them, tell them to hurry up and respond to the FOIA request submitted to them on September 18th, and please do not destroy any documents related to their communications with Mr. Stephen Branchflower.

The request seeks “all documents pertaining to the Alaska State Legislature inquiry” into the Monegan matter, including all documents related to the hiring of Stephen Branchflower and the evaluation of any other candidates for the position; all communications between Mr. Branchflower, Mr. Monegan, Senators Kim Elton, Hollis French, and other members of the Legislative Council; all documents relating to communications between the parties and PSEA officials relating to the inquiry; all documents relating to communications between the parties and representatives of the Obama campaign; and all documents relating to communications between the parties and Andrew Halcro.

22 09 2008
Mac

Looks like factual content is not authorized on this site. Thanks again loudelf.

22 09 2008
Mac

Here’s the link to Mr. Branchflower’s resume from the Anchorage Daily News website:

http://community.adn.com/sites/community.adn.com/files/SEB%27s%202008%20Resume.doc

A .pdf version is on the Alaska State Senate’s website in Senator Kim Elton’s directory below:
http://www.aksenate.org/elton/080108_Branchflower_Resume.pdf

The resume clearly indicates Mr. Branchflower’s connections to the Anchorage Police Department as well as the fact his wife was a detective in the APD.

The December 18, 2001 minutes from the Anchorage Assembly recognized Detective Linda J. Branchflower for her 16 years of service in the Anchorage Police Department. A quote from para. 9. a. 1.:

9. CONSENT AGENDA:
Ms Shamberg moved, to approve all items on the consent agenda
seconded by Mr. Tremaine, as amended.
A. RESOLUTIONS FOR ACTION – PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS
1. Resolution No. AR 2001-364, a resolution of the Anchorage Municipal
Assembly recognizing and honoring Detective Linda J. Branchflower for
nearly 16 years of service with the Anchorage Police Department,

The link for the quote abovie is:
http://www.muni.org/iceimages/assembly2/12-18-2001.pdf

Chief Monegan was with APD from 1974 to 2006. He was the top cop from 2001 to 2006. The APD isn’t that big. Everyone knows everyone else. Detective Branchflower was directly subordinate to Monegan for about a year.

Also, if any of you require contact information for Senators’ Gunny Hollis, Kim Elton, Bettye Davis, or Johnny Ellis, you can just go to aksenate.org.

When you contact them, tell them to hurry up and respond to the FOIA request submitted to them on September 18th, and please do not destroy any documents related to their communications with Mr. Stephen Branchflower.

The request seeks “all documents pertaining to the Alaska State Legislature inquiry” into the Monegan matter, including all documents related to the hiring of Stephen Branchflower and the evaluation of any other candidates for the position; all communications between Mr. Branchflower, Mr. Monegan, Senators Kim Elton, Hollis French, and other members of the Legislative Council; all documents relating to communications between the parties and PSEA officials relating to the inquiry; all documents relating to communications between the parties and representatives of the Obama campaign; and all documents relating to communications between the parties and Andrew Halcro.

22 09 2008
short-timer

“Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire.”

This news article just came across from the Associated Press (AP). I read an article about Palin’s investigation manuvers on CNN and was confused, but the author of this article from AP didn’t mince words–he stated it like it is in the first paragraph!

Full story: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93C7NK00

22 09 2008
short-timer

@Mac: Are you from Alaska?

It’s a small state. Branchflower’s wife probably worked with Sally Heath for 15 years before working with Monegan! On a serious note, Todd Palin works for BP and was doing so while Sarah Palin was negotiating terms with “big oil.” I think Branchflower can remain objective even if there is an “association” between his wife and Monegan. People from work are usually called “associates” for a reason–they aren’t friends, but a person has to do day-to-day business by associating with people.

22 09 2008
Cookie

Are people in Alaska starting to talk about a Recall?

When you are contacting your senator about the bailout, consider also sending this note that I sent to mine:

“This insanity has gone on long enough. It is time for the US Senate to stand TOGETHER, and tell Senator McCain that Gov. Palin is NOT suitable to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States Of America – and selecting her has caused the world to question his judgment and fitness for the Presidency.”

For those of you who keep hearing where is Obama’s plan, it’s been on his website all this time: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

22 09 2008
Pacificnwgal

Here is a link to an article by Naomi Wolf who discusses the problem with spying, harassing, and intimidating witnesses. If Sarah becomes VP, she will be threat to our civil rights:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/the-battle-plan-ii-sarah_b_128393.html

22 09 2008
Mac

Yes short-timer, I am from Alaska. And Governor Palin’s husband did work for BP, However, Palin shoved a tax increase on oil and gas producers last year that doubled the state’s energy revenues to more than $10 billion.

That increase angered BP and ConocoPhillips and they postponed new projects in the Alaska.

So, Todd Palin most likely would have been fired or conveniently released by BP.

22 09 2008
Mac

Cookie….there hasn’t even been an indictment, much less a conviction. How about a little due process here.😉

22 09 2008
Mac

Oh come on Pacificnwgal…..that’s an opinion piece by Naomi Wolf. Jeeze….give me a break.

22 09 2008
short-timer

That is my point–Todd Palin wasn’t fired or released despite being an “associate” of BP. In most healthy working arrangements and associations, all involved can remain objective. Now, when you start including family and friends in working relationships, then it gets fuzzy. And that is the entire premise for troopergate–Monegan was essentially the victim of a Palin family feud.

22 09 2008
Edie

RECALLING THE GOVERNOR

Erin (13:43:59) :
The problem is, the Lt. Gov. is just as slimy as she is, and he’s in SP’s pocket. Plus, he’s the director of the Division of Elections. How effective do you think a recall could be with that joker in charge??
————————————————————-Erin, et al.

In looking at the language of the recall process it says
“APPLICATION for a petition presented to the Lt. Governor, or in the case of a recall, the Director of the Division of Elections.”

the key words are “in the case of a recall, the Director of the Division of Elections” would handle…..so wouldn’t have to go through Parnell

23 09 2008
Bluedog aka Bash Budweiser Palin Jr.

I think it was the troll who suggested that Steve Branchflower will be biased because his wife worked for Walt Monegan.

In fact, Branchflower was also the investigator who produced a 2002 report heavily criticizing the Anchorage Police Department for failures in the city’s 911 system when Monegan was chief. This was the horrible case of Patricia Godfrey, whose husband was murdered in their home and who was badly wounded herself. Police and medics couldn’t find their house to help her for almost an hour.

So I’d say Branchflower can do his job. Those who assume he’s automatically biased are probably projecting their own weaknesses of character.

Also, anyone who wants to understand more clearly Trooper Wooten’s case and Sarah and Todd Palin’s involvement should check out this great site:

http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com

Look under the entry “The case for the impeachment of Gov. Sarah Palin.” The post has a timeline and links to court documents and other sources. It’s a good place to refer people who are foolish enough to substitute Wooten’s bad judgment for Palin’s abuse of power.

23 09 2008
angryxer

egads, i need to take notes to remember who i want to comment back to, and all the topics! phew…. made it to the end. let’s see…

Bobg, welcome! Glad to hear from fellow rational travellers across the political spectrum.

Scotsgirl, so things are all dried out & ok for you folks in Houston? That sounded unbelievably scary. And I was really frustrated by the lack of MSM reporting on the terrible conditions down there, especially in Galveston.

Now on to various & sundry… I’ve seen a lot of wondering about the $88k pricetag on the AWOL Palin emails, but so far no definitive answer about this. Weren’t they subpoenaed too? And how can they not just be seized for the investigation since the executive privilege claim is so bogus, since Todd Palin, a civvie, is known to have had access to at least some of them?

Bec in Illinois & Anne in WA, was it? I obviously missed the first comment about De Rothschild. I never saw any MSM coverage, but there was a terrific piece, either on Countdown or Maddow on her that was just hilarious last week. (you could try a YouTube search; why o why aren’t the MSBNC vids easier to search?) The joke of her elitist self saying Obama was elite was hilarious. Practically an SNL skit. And then there was her later comment about “rednecks”… I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s been disappeared like Fiorina.

Rape kits: thank you, various posters, for clarifying some of the details. I’d heard the bit about the morning after pill too. Good to know that’s not true. The story was plenty bad anyway, and even worse once I found out, about a week after the original news, that the kits cost $1200. WTF??

Maddow’s seriously keeping on troopergate! Again tonight with Lyda Green. Kind of wild to see all of the Mudflats characters we’ve been reading about for 3 weeks show up on Maddow. For folks who’ve missed them, looks like you can search maddow & troopergate on Youtube; people are doing a great job of posting the clips.

I’m sure I’m forgetting something, but there’s another post to catch up on. Just want to say I love the Mudflats yellow boots across America idea. But since I wouldn’t have much cause to wear them here in the Bay Area (not only mild temps, but we’re in a damn drought now!), so can’t we please get Mudflats t-shirts? I would be a fiercely proud wearer of one till election day and after. And what a cool way to find the locals on the street who know the blog. Plus I’m in disbelief that the Obama T-shirt I ordered 3 weeks ago is still on backorder. Sometime BEFORE the election would be good, people! sheesh.

23 09 2008
Commando Coalfire Palin

Please consider doing this. It’s important. It takes 30 seconds. PBS is
> > running a poll that asks if Palin is qualified to be VP. The right wing
> > has
> > organized a “yes” campaign and at the moment, “yes” is winning.
> >
> > http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

23 09 2008
tweetii

Here is the nutty thing about Dan Fagan. Everyday he rails about the lies of Sarah but then he always ends up saying he will vote for Mccain/Palin anyway because Barack Hussein Obama is a Socialist/Commie.

He ultimately makes no sense. Don’t be fooled by Dan Fagan’s anti/support for Palin.
tweet

23 09 2008
disgustedfemale

I saw the Rachel show last night with Lydia Green…she was outstanding in my opinion. I have been trying to follow this investigation since I first heard Palin selected as McCain’s running mate.

I had heard the news on route to meet family who is from Alaska when they brought their son down to the lower 48 for college.
When I told them the news we had heard on NPR they just laughed. They said it had been a rumor on the internet, not to take it seriously. I had to tell them No it is true…they immediately checked it out on the web. My brother in law said how can that be she is currently under investigation
Since then I have gone to Anchorage newspaper site and read everything I could on this investigation…the interviews, emails, etc

For the life of me though, I just cannot understand why this is not on every news channel 24/7 like all former investigations of any politican in my day.

Not only are they investigating the misuse of power for firing the public safety director, but now it seems the governor’s office also was trying to get the former brother in law’s workman’s comp denied. Did Todd actually take pictures of him riding a snowmobile to demonstrate he was not really injured?

Is Lydia Green the woman who the radio host called names and made fun of while Palin sat and laughed?

23 09 2008
you'rekidding,right?

Illinois Senator Dick Durbin on C-SPAN…very knowledgeable and well spoken re: bailout.

************************

Yeppers, we love our senior senator here in Illinois, too.

23 09 2008
thelogicalsmoker

Jeez, I wish more of the real truth was on TV and in the media…

Instead of how much Sarah is “inspiring” a new breed of conservative women…

Gimme a break…

Another great post…

http://andthisismyamerica.com/2008/09/23/bah-fucking-humbug/

23 09 2008
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23 09 2008
Ken

I am too old to know how to do it but, National Enquirer woukld probably think this to be chump change. And, no matter your personal thoughts about the publication, they have the gonads.

23 09 2008
SMR

@Disgusted Female

Yes, Lyda Green is the one who was made fun of by radio talk show trash while Sarah sat there giggling. Sarah is one classy act!

Yes, it appears as though Todd took photos of Wooten snowmobiling & that they illegally obtained the workmen’s comp file (at least illegally in my opinion, though I’m no attorney).

Sarah & Todd are pure poison & bullies. This Alaskan has always thought they were crap.

23 09 2008
SMR

@scotsgirl

The Beartooth thing is next Thursday. Can’t wait!

___________________________________

As was mentioned in the bedtime thread, Don’t feed the trolls!

___________________________________

Due process is fine, if we can get due process, which is unlikely since the stonewalling & subterfuge by Palin & McCain continues. Alaska is getting the shaft on this deal (as well as pipeline, but that’s not being discussed here), and until the report is out we are left to draw our own conclusions based on info provided via others. Whether or not we trust the person giving the info goes a long way toward determining whether or not we believe it. That being the case, I don’t believe anything that comes from Sarah or the McSame camp.

________________________________________________

Contrary opinions are welcomed here, however, speaking for myself, I am here because it is a community of like-minded individuals. Commenters here often disagree, but I don’t think that linking articles to the McSame camp poison, as though mudflats has yet to hear the “correct” version re: events or people, could be called disagreeing constructively. (See Mac’s post at 19:05:17).

I was born & raised here in Alaska, have lived outside the state for about 5 years, so that puts me at 35 years in Alaska. I am not new to any of the political oddities of Alaska or these “bedfellows.” That being the case, thanks but no thanks, I’ll pass on the McSame spin.

23 09 2008
C W

…And the beat goes on

BushGate, The Sequel

23 09 2008
steadycat

By the time I read everyone’s comments all I can do is nod my head.

Thanks for the posts.

23 09 2008
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23 09 2008
Ordinary American

if palin is going to be recalled please let me know where i can donate to this cause!
even if the lt. gov is in the mcpalin pocket just think of the message it would send to america since the mcpalin campaign is touting her 80+ approval rating in alaska!

please recall her prior to the vp debate : 0

23 09 2008
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23 09 2008
TurboKitty

I live in Pahrump NV…here we have similar problems with our elected officials taking a stance of better than or not subject to or thinking they can decide for…everyone else.

Our District Attorney Bob Beckett made msn headlines in news of the weird because he had rolled two state vehicles after being arrested for being under the influence in California two days in a row. Our state laws are anyone convicted of a felony cannot hold an elected official’s seat. What’s sad is that he will be tried in California after the general election …he was running for district court judge (thank god he didn’t make it to the general) and he will STILL be our district attorney…

One of the people running for Justice of the Peace is married to the Nye county sheriff…a little conflict of interest there that even the local ethics committee is ignoring.

Our Townboard in collusion with our county Commissioners repealed a town ordinance stating that there would be no prisons within an 8 and a half mile radius of any dwelling…without proper notice to the township residents…they just did it…didn’t ask anyone…

One person running for the Townboard is affiliated with a developement company called P.A.V.E.D. The only commissioner that opposed the building of a federally funded state approved privatized detention center is affiliated with another development company called F.O.C.U.S. group…following the money here…one commissioner is under indictment for trying to bribe 4 out of the five Townboard members to go along with this…our state Attorney General is doing a wonderful job of getting him out of Nye county politics however he should NOT still be in an administrative position… he IS under indictment…

One of the incumbent Townboard candidates wants us to incorporate and the township voted it down 3 times. State law says once anything has been voted down 3 times that 11 years has to pass before it can be put on the ballot again…this guy wants to hire an independent source to decide for the Town whether or not it should be incorporated (Town’s peoples tax dollars will be paying for this independent source) so I asked him…don’t we have our own source here? AREN’T THEY CALLED VOTERS???

He walked away…I feel for you…all of you…my governor is Jim Gibbons who was served with divorce papers by his wife approximately 6 months ago after being caught in flagrante delicti with a cocktail waitress and mind you this is after years of affairs AND to distract from the attention that was getting him he decided to call a special meeting to take away the K.O.L.A. benefits the teachers in this state because HIS STAFF IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR CHILDREN’S EDUCATIONS.

Ok…now’s the time to remember something because this is a big election year….VOTE THEM OUT !!!

23 09 2008
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23 09 2008
loudelf

“Contrary opinions are welcomed here, however, speaking for myself, I am here because it is a community of like-minded individuals. ”

— Sounds more like a support group than an intelligent discussion. Deep down you believe Obama has never lied, and McCain has never told the truth. News flash: They’re BOTH politicians, and both need some serious fact-checking when they speak. If you want support, go to a meeting, otherwise be objective and consider (however lightly) that there are other points than those of your champions’, and they just might be accurate.

23 09 2008
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23 09 2008
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23 09 2008
SMR

@loudelf:

Yes, if you’d been reading all of the comments since this blog’s inception you’d have seen the term “support group” many many times. Dramatic times call for drastic measures, we are all here to support each other, the truth, and OBAMA, and posting links to official McCain sites taking potshots at Obama/Biden does not fall under those headings. If I (or 99.9% of the others on this site) wanted to read that garbage we’ve got the ways & means thanks to Yahoo/Google/whatever. I’ve got factcheck.org for checking out positions, thanks.

2 10 2008
SexyC

Dear Loudelf – go create your blog and may all the comments you chose — Remember this is a free country, which is why this blog was created.

Not getting any love here — keep it moving!

5 10 2008
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