Ted Stevens…To Pardon or Not to Pardon.

26 11 2008

The Bush administration is coming to an end, and at the end of the road for any administration is….the pardons. This particular presidential tradition is one that I find particularly abhorrent, and overused. It’s like a signing statement, only for people. The law applies, except if I decide it doesn’t.

The pardons at the end of the Clinton administration had me fuming for weeks. I’m sure I’ll feel the same or worse after the Bush pardons. But that’s just me.

The Anchorage Daily News today speculated about the pardon that’s on all Alaskans’ minds as January 20th draws near – Senator Ted Stevens. There are rumored to be three sets of pardons, one happening this week.

During his farewell speech on the Senate floor last week, Stevens made it clear he intends to continue his appeal, saying he can “still see the day when I can remove the cloud that currently surrounds me.” And just last week his lawyers continued their attack on the conduct of prosecutors in the case, by asking for a hearing, now scheduled for Monday, to examine a claim by one of the witnesses against Stevens that he was lying on the stand about an immunity deal.

Stevens also told a pack of news media “no, no, no” when asked the day he lost the election whether he would seek a pardon, but his spokesman, Aaron Saunders, said he wasn’t saying “no” to the idea. The senator was simply declining to answer the question, Saunders said.

Hmmm….  Sounds like a little post-“no no no” clean up work from the spokesman.   Alaskan spokespeople are getting really good at starting sentences with, “What s/he  meant to say was….”

Later that day, when asked by the Daily News to clarify his remarks, Stevens didn’t rule out seeking a pardon: “That’s something that’s beyond me,” he said, waving his hands as though to push the question aside. “That’s beyond me.”

He also said after the conviction that he wouldn’t be “seeking” a pardon, but we’ll note that he didn’t say  that he wouldn’t accept a pardon.  It’s all a big game of words.

The entire article is worth a read, and includes commentary from Wev Shea, the U.S. Attorney for Alaska from 1990-1993.  After you read it, I invite you to take the pardon polls below:


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26 11 2008
Goalie in NM

Wow….where is everyone?

Don’t Pardon!!!

26 11 2008
InJuneau

I agree, no pardons!

26 11 2008
GJ in ID

off for thanksgiving…maybe?

26 11 2008
GJ in ID

I just finished my stuffing muffins, and checked to see if there was a new post…I vote no pardon, too

26 11 2008
SoCal Bob

No pardons. We need to send a message to ALL politicians. A loud, clear and unambiguous message. We will not tolerate anyone living a lifestyle that is beyond the law.

26 11 2008
Moose Pucky

Partisan pardons do not represent “justice for all”.

26 11 2008
Miemaw from Texas

My understanding of a Presidential Pardon is that it carries with it, an implied admission of “guilty of the crime charged” or in Stevens’ case “guilty of the crimes of which he was found guilty.”

OT.

In case you missed it:

This is what a “community organizer” does the day before Thanksgiving.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/26/obama-familys-thanksgivin_n_146725.html

Happy Thanksgiving Mudpuppies.

26 11 2008
nswfm CA

STUFFING MUFFINS! What a brilliant idea!

Food on the brain. He shouldn’t get a pardon, but probably will.

26 11 2008
austintx

As I stated in a previous thread – one of the most important things Uncle Ted will do before his sentencing is fill out a PSI form (pre-sentencing investigation) …….the judge will literally have this in front of him……..Teds lawyer will strongly advise him to be truthful and forthcoming and helpful…….the prosecutor also will advise the judge on how “helpful” Ted is/was……..many a newly minted felon has found Jesus during this process…….how ya sleepin’ Sarah ?!?!

26 11 2008
GJ in ID

What bums me out is Executive privilege, if I would be fined or go to jail for something then I believe any elected official should be held to the same letter of the law.

26 11 2008
BigPete

Aren’t pardons supposed to be for ideologues?…Iran-contra types, Scooter Libby, Lieberman, the guy who (accidentally) offed a few bald eagles…..

It seems that Stevens’ crimes are a little too banal, a bit too Mark Rich-like, to deserve something as romantic as a pardon.

AKM…speaking of pardons, i hope your Spouse has a great ‘mudflats-free’ holiday! YOU TOO (don’t even take a note pad!)

26 11 2008
phoebe

Stuffed muffins….Yes
Pardon………………No
Obama Family giving out food the the needy……Heartwarming

That was easy!

26 11 2008
GJ in ID

@nswfm CA
OT – And for all those that like their stuffing/dressing toasty brown on all sides, Stuffin Muffins are the best thing ever. Simly put the dressing in your muffin tin to brown for about twenty-five min before you serve them. I make them the day before, as we don’t put the stuffin in the trukey, if we have trukey.

May everyone have a very Wonderful and Blessed Thanksgiving

26 11 2008
bonefish

Miemaw from Texas (13:53:03) :

In case you missed it:

This is what a “community organizer” does the day before Thanksgiving.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/26/obama-familys-thanksgivin_n_146725.html

Happy Thanksgiving Mudpuppies.
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Wow. Just wow. I don’t remember any president-elect doing anything of the sort. Ever in my lifetime. Wow.

And, yes, Happy Thanksgiving mudpuppies. Let’s remember those in food bank lines, in homeless shelters, in crisis intervention houses… all those who may not have the chance to have a good holiday season without our help. Volunteer, give, contribute… let’s change the face of America, one person at a time.

26 11 2008
Braveny (CA) Rankle Hiway Palin

No Pardon for Felons….

Happy Thanksgiving AKM to you and Spouse. Get some well deserved rest!

26 11 2008
Greytdog

Here’s the Liberal Thank You to Sarah: http://tinyurl.com/6puwka

26 11 2008
Pioneer2

How can you accept a pardon for a crime you’re appealing because you didn’t do anything wrong??

I guess if he’s pardoned, he’ll keep his senate benefits and if not, well, will he really go to jail??

So, let’s see bennies for life vs maintaining story of innocence …. hmmmm. Well, as a long time Alaskan, I guess I’ve always expected him to be a crook (how else would he bring home so much bacon) …. so I bet he’ll take the pardon and its lifetime benefits, then write a book about how innocent he is.

Anybody want to bet on it?

26 11 2008
InJuneau

Ooo, GJ in ID, do stuffing muffins work with any kind of stuffing or do you have a special recipe that could be shared at the Forum Recipes thread? They sound delicious (but I’m in charge of pies, so I won’t be trying them myself for Thanksgiving this year).

26 11 2008
InJuneau

Pioneer2—oooo, I’m not taking you up on that bet!

26 11 2008
GJ in ID

@InJuneau

Any stuffing will do as long as it can be formed into a ball and put in the muffin tin, we like ours very toasty so I don’t use Paper muffin or cupcake holders in mine. I’ll see if I can get over to the Forum Recipes and post my favorite stuffing recipe, though.

26 11 2008
MonaLisa (in CT)

I do ‘feel bad’ for Ted, given his age. Kinda’. But not really…. not enough to vote he be pardoned.

Had his offenses been committed for the benefit of his state, or in the course of ‘following orders’ (<- to a lesser extent), I’d likely vote, “Yeah, forgive the ol’ dude.”

But he didn’t sacrifice his integrity, he sold it.

(* skips back to the forum, whistling theme to ‘American Gigolo’ *)
(* stops along the way to bash head into wall, until the vision of Stevens in elevator boots goes away…. *)

26 11 2008
yardwork

I still can’t reconcile – Stevens gets convicted over 250k house upgrade, Bush
& Cheney skate into history held unaccountable for lies, crimes and gross mismanagement of world affairs. Where’s the karma in that. Apples and oranges comparison maybe – still bothers me.

26 11 2008
austintx

Hey – W pardoned a coke dealer the other day……WTF!!

26 11 2008
UK Lady

austintx

Perhaps he needs a ‘friend’, heh heh

26 11 2008
austintx

UK Lady – funny you mention that……..why do you think he never completed his flight duty……..down here…a few KNOW …no one will go on record……….

26 11 2008
InJuneau

@GJ in ID (14:25:41) :

Thanks. No rush though; I’m not making stuffing for the gathering, but it would be good to have a reliable recipe I could use in the future.

26 11 2008
UK Lady

I know we are not supposed to go OT, but have you all seen what’s going on in Mumbai?

26 11 2008
InJuneau

UK Lady–it’s terrible. I was there for a visit ~11 years ago, and it was a great city, at least what I had a chance to see.

26 11 2008
Texas Brian

No pardon. Bush should do the right thing for once and let him face punishment. There needs to be a precedent set to hold corrupt politicians accountable when they take advantage of their positions of power. At a time when the majority of Americans don’t trust their elected politicians, at least let one that is found guilty pay the price. Otherwise we’ll continue to have people like Bush and Cheney running around thinking they are above the law.

26 11 2008
mysteri

NO pardon, and bring charges against Sp

26 11 2008
UK Lady

The terrorists are picking out Brits and Americans.

26 11 2008
Bruce

I couldn’t vote in the first poll because I think someone will ask for a pardon for Stevens (not him of course) and he won’t get it. It’s too soon.

And I think if Bush pardons Stevens right now there will be a backlash. The Republicans don’t need more bad press and to be mired down in this. Plus, it being Alaska, the national media will be all over Palin for her comments on it, and that will also stir up more controversy. Best let Stevens take his lumps and try to work it out through an appeal.

26 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

I know he said he wouldn’t ask for a pardon, but that would require integrity, when it’s already been proven that he’s integrity challenged. He’ll ask and get pardoned because of his age.

But if he’s not pardoned, I’ll probably be able to go out and meet him at our local federal prison!

26 11 2008
Goalie in NM

@austintx and UK Lady,

Heh, heh….

Yup, can’t go on record!! But…been there…seen that!! Oh, what a party boy he was in the 70’s!😯

26 11 2008
UK Lady

If Bush does pardon Stevens that will imply guilt. That will be hard for Stevens to live with and I think I would prefer that than sending someone to spend their last few months, years? in prison. I think of my old Dad (79), and it is a horrible idea.

26 11 2008
avahome

Stevens doesn’t need to be pardoned…he’s a crook with a huge ego.

BTW, right now on buzzflash: PAC wants lawmakers to follow-up on ‘troopergate’

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/24/pac_wants_lawmakers_to_follow_up_on_troopergate/?rss_id=Boston.com+–+National+news

Could use some buzzes from MudFlatters.

26 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

Hey – W pardoned a coke dealer the other day……WTF!!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

College source for W?

26 11 2008
Dragon Lady

This is hardball politics; of course he’ll be pardoned because he’s an old guy, no president will send grandpa to the pokey.

Back to Mumbai. Bush will need Wild Turkey for Thanksgiving.

26 11 2008
UK Lady

Goalie in NM

You old rogue!, go on give us a clue, use false names!

26 11 2008
UK Lady

Dragon Lady, apparently W has already acquired a taste for Pico Sours (Peru), must say they sound divine.

http://www.artperucuisine.com/docs/5.html

26 11 2008
Lacy Lady

What about a pardon for the two border patrol men that are in prison.

They shouldn’t be in prison in the first place, but I am sure they and their families would be happy to have them released. They got a dirty deal. The druggie went scot free. Something is very wrong with this picture.

26 11 2008
Dragon Lady

If the Governess is brought up on Housegate will Obama pardon her? Or her husband on perjury – what a fantasy come true that would be.

Only she’d still be on some campaign trail even with Dud in the slammer eating Spam.

UK Lady – yum. Reminds me I have one shot of brandy left. byy-ee.

26 11 2008
Wasilla women

the judge wont give him much time anyway, if any? so I don’t think he should be pardoned.. but he is very old! he had been corrupt for decades, and it’s finally caught up with him.. that’s bad KARMA!! And SP and Don are collection lots of their own BAD KARMA too! eventually it will catch them!

26 11 2008
UK Lady

Talking of Karma, That Coulter woman having her jaw wired is the funniest thing I’ve hear since Gobblegate!

Maybe she will listen to someone for a change instead of enjoying the sound of her own voice.

26 11 2008
Dallas
26 11 2008
Wasilla women

Yes it’s strange how wiring her mouth seemed so befitting for such a evil unconscionable witch. How does she live with herself? I mean seriously!!
That women should have never been allowed back on national media ever again!
she should have to find her own way to voice herself!!

26 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Wasilla women (15:40:05) :

He has an exemplary record (meaning: no one caught him before) plus his age= probation. But he’ll have a record, so no voting…but he’ll have a big lifetime pension, so he can pay for any more additions to the house.

UK Lady (15:44:07) :
Heh heh, very funny- I hope she’s wired shut through the Inauguration:-)

BTW-
I posted my email to Senators Green and Stevens, and Rep. Gara on the political blog; if anyone wants to use it, feel free.

Happy Thanksgiving to all mud pups, and AKM- I’m grateful for all of you.
Time to finish the spanakopita; see you on Friday or so-

26 11 2008
enjay AKA Turbine Yukon

O/T

To AKM ~~

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving & enjoy your peace & quiet away from the Mudflats for the day.

Personally, I am thankful for Mudflats site and all the Mudpuppies that have kept me going the last 3 months. Thank you ALL!
It is a wonderful place to chat about events in our lives.

26 11 2008
austintx

UK Lady – That would be Pisco with a s……..it is a clear brandy…….the drink-Pisco Sour – has several ingredients and is VERY lethal……..better to offset the most famous export of Peru…..the marching powder !!!! Been there…….done that !!!

26 11 2008
26 11 2008
Ripley in CT

I’m pretty sure the idea of pardoning on the way out is totally skewed. That tradition, if they MUST keep it, should be not for other politicians, as it has become, but for wrongfully convicted prisoners! Isn’t the the whole idea? Pardoning people the way they do it now cheapens the whole experience.

How about the dude stuck in a prison for a crime he didn’t commit? Nope, instead, they pardon the guy who DID the crime and doesn’t WANT to go to jail.

I don’t get it.

And as far as Stevens goes, No pardon. He’s not going to need it. He’ll never do any time.

26 11 2008
Sauerkraut aka Gobble deegook Palin

AKM writes: “The pardons at the end of the Clinton administration had me fuming for weeks. I’m sure I’ll feel the same or worse after the Bush pardons. But that’s just me.”

No, it is not just you. The Pardon privilege is over-used and abused, too often for political reasons. I do not believe that was the original intent.

Hope your T-day goes better than Palin’s. 😎

26 11 2008
Sauerkraut aka Gobble deegook Palin

GJ in ID (13:44:05) :

I just finished my stuffing muffins, and checked to see if there was a new post
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Dunno why I just read that as “stud muffins” but… whatevah.

26 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

It seems we are in agreement: he will NOT request a pardon, but will likely get one.

The older I get, the more angry this type of situation makes me. I guess because by the time you spend 60 years trying to do the right thing, trying to teach your children to do the right thing and explaining why it’s so important to do the right thing, it’s discouraging when people who do the wrong thing make out better than you do.

I am thankful that I can sleep at night knowing that I don’t need a pardon…

I am also thankful for all you wonderful Mudpuppies and for AKM, Snos and Sephy.

Happy Thanksgiving! Let us all be thankful that our own “golden years” –or final days, as it were–are not overshadowed by a need for a Presidential pardon.

26 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout) (17:34:52) :

I am thankful that I can sleep at night knowing that I don’t need a pardon…

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Ditto.

And to AKM and all my fellow mudpuppies……

Happy Thanksgiving to you and those you love. Travel safe.

26 11 2008
Martha Unalaska Yard Sign

Great write up on Alaskans for Truth:

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2008

26 11 2008
the problem child

One of the comments on firedoglake, dated Nov. 25, suggested that the AFT committe had made “well over a thousand dollars yesterday”. I can only assume they have made more since then. I’m glad our donations are adding up!

26 11 2008
Sue

The coke dealer who was pardoned was a friend of Carly Simon’s son, and Carly is a friend of Orin Hatch….etc…etc…

26 11 2008
Sue

I just emailed the White House and asked for a pardon for the 2 border patrol agents who are in prison. Of course, they aren’t actually guilty, so maybe that disqualifies them for a pardon. : ( Also, I am not a personal friend of Carly Simon or Orin Hatch.

26 11 2008
Greytdog

Ripley in CT, you’re absolutely correct. Stevens will never do time. They will appeal appeal appeal until Ted passes away. He’ll pull a Ken Lay or something but never ever see a fed prison from the inside out. Therefore, Stevens should be required to “shadow” SP for the remainder of her governing term . . . cannot give or take advice, cannot “lobby” or arm-twist on her behalf or against her, but must simply be around her at all times. . . .listening listening listening to Sarah’s voice over and over and over and over. . . he’ll long to be on that bridge to nowhere

26 11 2008
Rob in Ca

Does anyone really want an 84 year old man in prison? Does that protect society?

Listen, I too am outraged at corruption. But he is out of the Senate, and his reputation is destroyed, and I don’t even want to spend tax dollars to feed his felonious self in prison. Let him go home in disgrace and move on.

Let’s concentrate instead on Palin, who is starting a long political career on the wrong foot. We need all efforts to go toward exposing the many issues that confront her. If she were a mayor she would not get reelected if people knew what she did. If she were a Senator she would be laughed out of the building for lack of knowledge. Look at her ‘signature’ accomplishments: a pipeline that will not be built, unless she can repair the damage she did with the companies that have to finance it….a sports complex that her grandchildren will be paying off….annual budget increases for every year she has held any elective office….collecting expenses for most of a year spent at home, while she is governor….keeping the money – all of it – for the bridge to nowhere, while lying about having supported it….taxing all of us other Americans that buy the oil shipped from her state, so she can send those tax dollars to Alaskans….

And that is just scratching the surface.

Ted Stevens will do no more harm.

Sarah Palin deserves our full attention.

26 11 2008
SMG - MN

@Sue (18:55:42) :

I just emailed the White House and asked for a pardon for the 2 border patrol agents who are in prison. Of course, they aren’t actually guilty, so maybe that disqualifies them for a pardon. : ( Also, I am not a personal friend of Carly Simon or Orin Hatch.

Much of the outrage over the Ramos/Compean case has been fueled by conservative anti-immigration propagandists like Lou Dobbs. They did break the law and then tried to cover it up. There are two sides to every story.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/09/04/ramos_compean/

26 11 2008
Hussein Canuck for Choice

“Stuffin muffins” – what a brilliant and tasty idea, yum! I’m inspired to try that even though our Canadian Thanksgiving was over a month ago. Since our dollar is so low (.81 to the U.S. dollar today), we’ll likely see many Americans up here during this holiday weekend.

What’s the origin of the turkey pardoning tradition? We don’t do that in Canada, at least not to my knowledge. It seems bizarre. Speaking of pardons, Uncle Ted is no way is deserving of one but it’s bound to happen. Thanks AKM, for educating us Canucks (and the world) about the long tradition of corrupt Alaskan politics. I had no idea about the unlawful activity that’s been going on in Alaska before reading your blog, only having seen photos of gorgeous scenery and wild animals (that which Bible Barbie hasn’t eviscerated yet). I was just reading through last night’s posts and want to say thanks to Mudflatters for the savvy detective work regarding Timothy Petumenos’ obvious conflict of interest about Troopergate. Wow.

austintx (14:42:10) :

Hey – W pardoned a coke dealer the other day……WTF!!

Who is that, the coke dealer? On Huff Post there’s an article about Shrub drinking again, and his alcoholic beverage of choice was a Pisco Sour. Pisco has one of the, if not THE, highest concentration of alcohol of all liquors. Alcoholics are not supposed to drink AT ALL, EVER. So perhaps anything that despot does over the next few months will be with an unsound mind? Wait a minute, has he ever done anything with a seemingly sound mind? Try to name one thing.

Happy Thanksgiving to American Mudflatters!

26 11 2008
Lighthouse (CO)

The Huff Post slideshow of the Obama family was amazing!

I know there are families everywhere needing help right now, but just in case you are having trouble finding someone less fortunate than yourself to give back to, I’d like to encourage you to visit the yahoo group SantasAngels, where you can join and ‘adopt’ some kids who need help this year.

Our household will be sending a batch of presents from Colorado to 3 little girls in Delaware.

I have a feeling that I’m probably preaching to the choir here, but, as bonefish said earlier, I hope we’re all remembering to share a little bit of what we have with someone else. Make a difference!

Thanksgiving blessings to all of you in America! (And everywhere else too!) Our special dish this Thanksgiving is going to be ‘Broccoli-Obama’!

I’ll have to share that recipe with you all!

26 11 2008
shilo442

We don’t need what Ted Stevens did now for Sarah Plin do in the next 40 years.
The way I see it you can’t let one off and not the other one .Sarah Palin is just as quilty as Stevens and whats good for one is good for the other.

26 11 2008
shilo442

HAPPY THANKSGIVING AKM AND MUDPUPPIES.

Can only help and hope our goverment does the right thing. Steven’s no pardon, Palin investigated and found quilty.

26 11 2008
Hussein Canuck for Choice

Lighthouse (CO) (19:51:09) : Our household will be sending a batch of presents from Colorado to 3 little girls in Delaware.

I have a feeling that I’m probably preaching to the choir here, but, as bonefish said earlier, I hope we’re all remembering to share a little bit of what we have with someone else. Make a difference.

You rule Lighthouse (CO)!

http://lefteyeonthemedia.wordpress.com/

Wicked Thankgiving post. Very thoughtful and well-written.

26 11 2008
Steph in NOW MN also

Here’s the Liberal Thank You to Sarah: http://tinyurl.com/6puwk

Sorry, joking about abortion isn’t funny…

27 11 2008
Hussein Canuck for Choice

Steph in NOW MN also (22:19:29) :

Here’s the Liberal Thank You to Sarah: http://tinyurl.com/6puwk

Sorry, joking about abortion isn’t funny…

I agree Steph, abortion isn’t funny. I worked as a volunteer at a clinic that referred clients toward either abortion or adoption. I was non-partisan, offering resources, but never saying f*ck all about any opinions I had at the time. After my placement I stayed on as a volunteer. YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF TEENAGE GIRLS IN 2006 WHO HAVE NEVER HANDLED A CONDOM.

The Religious Right has spread AIDS, teen pregnancy, and sexual diseases all over this world by not offering young adults the CHOICE to make informed decisions. This has got to stop. I feel more strongly about this than any other political issue.

When I watched the Liberal thank you video to Sarah, I laughed the most when it appeared that the actress had just had an abortion. I agree, joking about abortion is hardly funny. But in context, Sarah Palin charging Wasilla rape survivors for rape kits is inexcusable and abominable, not funny either. I thought of Sarah herself watching the video and disliking it, which made me enjoy it even more. I’m a pretty tolerant person, not one to usually make waves in the water, but Sarah’s such a fraud, it’s so obvious, Alaskan politicians please get a clue and kick her to the curb, ASAP.

27 11 2008
MizKay

@Hussein Canuck for Choice (20:21:56) :

http://lefteyeonthemedia.wordpress.com/

Wicked Thankgiving post. Very thoughtful and well-written.
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Thanks for the link – enjoyed reading this.

27 11 2008
Grammy in PA

Georgia on Her Mind….But Sarah Palin Has Trouble Lurking Around the Corner

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/georgia-on-her-mindbut-sa_b_146800.html

And, I hope she gets booed in Phillie like she did the last time she was there.

27 11 2008
Grammy in PA

GJ in ID (14:06:44) :

I am so lame – how do I find your stuffin’ muffin recipe??

27 11 2008
Despite bribery trial Democratic Rep. William J. Jefferson hasn’t had any trouble raising money from his allies in Congress. « Goodtimepolitics

[…] LINK:Ted Stevens…To Pardon or Not to Pardon.The pardons at the end of the Clinton administration had me fuming for weeks. I’m sure I’ll feel the same or worse after the Bush pardons. But that’s just me. […]

27 11 2008
austintx

Canuck – You are correct about the strength of Pisco – brought to you by the same people that bring the world the infamous marching powder……

27 11 2008
Sauerkraut

Wow, the uber-wacko aka goodtimepolitics linked to your Stevens article. Will have to see how he trashes it under an avalanche of Palinese-ah.

27 11 2008
Alaska Pi

I don’t think about or do much of the early holiday planning thingy that so many folks do.
I NEVER make Christmas wish lists even though it is the thing to do in my family, but I did this year- in October.
I got the two biggest gifts I asked for -early- on November 4th! Wow! Obama and Biden!
I got the another early gift when Mr Begich won. Wow!
I think I’m getting the Margaret and Helen t-shirt I wanted and somebody always adds to my Pablo Neruda collection…

But I REALLY, REALLY want Ted Stevens to show some shame.
And I REALLY, REALLY want Sarah Palin to show some shame…

I don’t think it’s gonna happen… my gifts to them-
No shame= no pardon.
No shame=no letup…

27 11 2008
Neil

People in high positions should get special treatment when they break the law. The Presdient should keep them out of jail (LIKE SCOOTER LIBBY) or pardon them altogether.

Take Spizter for example. Once they got him out of office over hooker-gate, they didn’t even press charges. Kinda makes you wonder if they ever had evidence. Anyway the right thing happened. Spitzer will see no jail time.

JAIL ISN’T FOR CRIMINALS IN HIGH PLACES, JAIL IS FOR YOU AND ME.

27 11 2008
MonaLisa (in CT)

@ Sauerkraut

Wow, you’re not kidding about the uber-whacko-ness… to compare a convicted felon with someone who hasn’t even been tried yet (is that whole ‘innocent until proven guilty’ thing somehow no longer American?)

I read a few of his blogs, I can’t help but feel a kind of sympathy for GTP. So much impotent rage and jumping at shadows can’t be good for his health.

Better to have muddy feet, than a muddy mind-set.

27 11 2008
katiebegood

GJ in ID (13:44:05) :

I just finished my stuffing muffins, and checked to see if there was a new post…I vote no pardon, too

I thought I was the only one who made stuffing muffins. The thing I like most about stuffing is the crispy parts. And stuffing muffins gives me lots of crispy!

I too vote for no pardon.

27 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

New thread alert. Happy Thanksgiving!

27 11 2008
katiebegood

Grammy in PA (04:37:31) :

GJ in ID (14:06:44) :

I am so lame – how do I find your stuffin’ muffin recipe??

Just use your favorite stuffing and then bake it in well greased muffin cups. That way you get cute individual servings of stuffing with lots of crispy edges. I have found that it works better if you make the stuffing a little wetter than usual because they tend to dry out more than stuffing baked in a pan.

27 11 2008
katiebegood

Sue (18:55:42) :

I just emailed the White House and asked for a pardon for the 2 border patrol agents who are in prison. Of course, they aren’t actually guilty, so maybe that disqualifies them for a pardon.

They aren’t guilty? You don’t think it is a crime to shoot people in the back? Oh, I get it, if they are undocumented aliens, it’s OK to shoot them in the back. Your situational ethics are showing.

27 11 2008
katiebegood

Sue (18:50:39) :

The coke dealer who was pardoned was a friend of Carly Simon’s son, and Carly is a friend of Orin Hatch….etc…etc…

We don’t do “guilt by association” here. Why don’t you move on to a blog that will appreciate your style of prose? I suggest redstate.com. They will love you.

27 11 2008
Sauerkraut

Alaska Pi (07:13:38) :

And I REALLY, REALLY want Sarah Palin to show some shame…
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Oh, girlie, but you sure to expect a bunch from that person who appears to have some type of sociopathic syndrome which renders her totally incapable to connect with her fellow human beings or to show one iota of shame. It’s worst than expected a lippy teenager to zip it or to clean her undies off her bedroom floor. Some things just ain’t gonna happen.

I’m with you on the presents of Nov. 4, tho.

27 11 2008
Alaska Pi

Sauerkraut (16:39:09) :

Oh dear… I know it won’t happen, but we all have to have dreams you know…
I DID get- as did we ALL – my biggest dream on Nov 4. Yee haw!

So – no shame=no letup…

29 11 2008
alaskan4alaska

Yeah, Clinton’s self enriching pardons pissed me off as well. Exactly how much justice can you afford to pay for?
The Big One though, goes to Bush Sr. when he pardoned all the major players in the Iran/Contra scandal. This stopped the Lawrence Walsh investigation cold. Walsh was unable to continue up the trail of culpability that surely would have lead to Bush Sr. In effect then, he pardoned himself. Notably the thirty thousand murders in Nicargua that Samoza’s Thugs(Contras) committed with his help stayed dead.




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