I Want a Franken-Mammoth.

20 11 2008

I’m generally not one who likes tinkering with Mother Nature. But living in Alaska brings with it a sense of adventure, and possibility, and the limitless imagination that comes with vast landscapes at your doorstep. Ever since I came to Alaska, I have had a secret fantasy. I want a mammoth. Not personally, but I want Alaska to have a mammoth, or a whole herd of them. I want Jurassic Park, only with herbivores.

In the spirit of this fantasy, I even purchased a clump of mammoth hair that was excavated from the permafrost up by Nome, Alaska, where the old land bridge used to connect this continent to Russia. If Sarah Palin had lived 12,000 years ago, she could have WALKED to Russia from her house.

I bought the clump of hair not to try to create a franken-mammoth in my basement, but just to hold it, and to marvel how much the soft undercoat felt like the musk-ox wool that, in Alaska, is known as qiviut. These creatures got their outerwear from the same place. And unlike cold, hard dinosaur bones, or fossilized impressions of fish in ancient mud, this was the real thing. You could actually know what a mammoth felt like. You knew what color it was. You could see the guard hairs, all crinkly and thick, and the actual sense of a living mammoth was literally within your grasp.

I’ve toyed with fantasies about giving the endangered Siberian tiger a safe place to live in Alaska, and I’ve wondered what would happen if penguins were transplanted here under cover of night, and if they could survive. But the mammoth dream was so much bigger. It was epic.

So when I saw the article in today’s Anchorage Daily News entitled “Regenerating a Mammoth for $10 Million”, the hair stood up on the back of my neck, and my first thought was, “I need another Paypal button.”

Scientists are talking for the first time about the old idea of resurrecting extinct species as if this staple of science fiction is a realistic possibility, saying that a living mammoth could perhaps be regenerated for as little as $10 million.

The same technology could be applied to any other extinct species from which one can obtain hair, horn, hooves, fur or feathers, and which went extinct within the last 60,000 years, the effective age limit for DNA.

Though the stuffed animals in natural history museums are not likely to burst into life again, these old collections are full of items that may contain ancient DNA that can be decoded by the new generation of DNA sequencing machines.

If the genome of an extinct species can be reconstructed, biologists can work out the exact DNA differences with the genome of its nearest living relative. There are talks on how to modify the DNA in an elephant’s egg so that after each round of changes it would progressively resemble the DNA in a mammoth egg. The final-stage egg could then be brought to term in an elephant mother, and mammoths might once again roam the Siberian steppes.

Considering the fact that human hunting was a likely factor in the mammoth’s extinction, it can be argued that we owe them. And while we’re at it, we could pay off our karmic debt to the carrier pigeon, the ivory billed woodpecker, the dodo, and the woolly rhinoceras which also once roamed Alaska.

And while this controversial science offers the possibility of reconstructing a Neanderthal, whose extinction we also had a part in, I’m happy to begin small (or big, depending on how you look at it) with a herd of mammoth taking up residence in ANWR. It might be a great way to keep the area “green” while encouraging tourism and making a ton of money from a renewable resource.

This has definite possibilities.

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20 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

not even mentioning my placement

20 11 2008
UK Lady

Go Franken!

20 11 2008
MWthatone...

sounds great to me! (Never know what topic you will be bringing up next!)

20 11 2008
halcrow

You’d bring them back just in time to experience global warming? An aquatic animal might fare better.

20 11 2008
halcrow

@ MWthatone… (12:54:34) :

3rd and 4th?

You’re placing an order for the offspring? Shouldn’t you wait for the first one to be created before you start dickering over the calves?

20 11 2008
Suchanut_AK

AKM, I am with you. Let’s bring ’em all back! A herd of Mammoth is a great way to start! Count me in!🙂

20 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

and i, for one, would love to start a mudpuppy resurrect the mammoth fund.

do ya think if one were to happen upon the big fellows, that one would be allowed to stroke it’s big furry trunk.

just dreaming along with akm.

20 11 2008
MWthatone...

I have room for a dozen in my back yard….(not)!

20 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

and , excuse me, halcrow, but if there’s to be claims on offspring, i have the right of first refusal…well, after akm that is.

20 11 2008
halcrow

@MWthatone… (12:56:29) :

oh……3rd 5th and 7th?

You want three of the little boogers now? Do you have any idea of how big they will be, or how difficult they might be to housetrain?

20 11 2008
Political Amazon

Why not a FrankenMammoth?

Alaska already has a FrankenMaverick. I know…we’ll get the FrankenMammoth to stak the FrankenMaverick.

20 11 2008
Political Amazon

ummm…that’s “stalk.”

20 11 2008
SMR

@fawnskin

that was very funny

20 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

(did anybody notice that i managed within my last two posts to get my comment # in without actually saying what it was. teehee. it’s the little things.)

20 11 2008
MWthatone...

have no idea……but I can do a bit of research. Couldn’t be any
more difficult than watching the Wild Wasillan get travel experience
on state dimes.

20 11 2008
UK Lady

But, but…………aren’t there enough dinosaurs already in Alaska?

20 11 2008
MWthatone...

ooops….take that, Halcrow… 🙂

20 11 2008
Forty Watt

I am so envious. I can’t imagine holding in my hand part of a creature that lived so long ago–touching it, being joined with, imagining where that hair has been, what it has been a part of–oh, lucky you.

20 11 2008
Wondering_Lake

My dreams are simpler. I want an “Al Franken Mammoth” in the Senate.

20 11 2008
MWthatone...

wondering lake…… you think Franken may still get in?

20 11 2008
Tbj

Unfortunately by the time the franken-mammoth calf is ready to be born, the habitat needed to support it may well be gone, along with p.olar bears, penguins and beachfront properties in the lower 48.

20 11 2008
MWthatone...

it will take a mammoth miracle at this point, and maybe some blue candles and lights and bulbs to be ‘spread around’….. we must remain
“cautiously optimistic” with him….

20 11 2008
Seachele99

I don’t know about this mammoth thing AKM. It sounds kinda cool at first, but aren’t they sort of dangerous to humans?

20 11 2008
Goalie in NM

OMG…how fascinating!

20 11 2008
Goalie in NM

BRAG ALERT…(and a bit OT)

I have a son who is a scientist. He was successful in obtaining funding out of the tightfisted Bush administration for his project by playing the terrorist card. Sad, but true – he said he really hated to use it; but with the anti-science Bush it was necessary. Of course the Bush administration is still cutting funding for these kind of fine programs that AKM is talking about…

BTW – on the BRAG…my son is developing an Ebola Virus Vaccine. It’s not the vaccine itself that is so fabulous (but it is too) but the method of delivery that will be/can be used by just about any one in the world which will be in a spray or pill form so it can be administered quickly and without instruction – as opposed to shot form.

Yeah, I’m a wee bit proud of the boy!

20 11 2008
Gryphen

Hell yeah!

I want a Mammoth too!

I wrote a blogpost about this over a year ago, when they were first talking about the possibilities and expressed my absolute support for outmaneuvering mother nature.

Screw Jurrassic Park! I want to see a real live giant Mammoth or Mastodon in the Alaska Zoo. We already have Musk Ox, how are they really that much different?

Mammoth rides down 5th Avenue during the Fur Rendezvous! Sounds like a money making proposition to me.

20 11 2008
kathy

Forty Watt – I’m with you on what that would feel like. But consider that the body you’re made from, the atoms that your lover and children carry around with them, are at least as old as the solar system. So let’s say they’re at least 4.5 billion years old. And of course the Hydrogen has been around as long as the Universe – who knows, maybe 13+ billion years old.

(Most of the elements in our solar system were forged from Hydrogen and other light elements during a supernova explosion before our Solar system formed. But no new matter has been created)

20 11 2008
mhrt oregon

fawnskin
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i love it and …sorry…..I still smile when i see it….we do need to to be very sly around here

20 11 2008
kathy

Oh, and even though I hardly have a couple of coins to rub between my fingers, I’ll contribute when there’s a plan to do this and the paypal button appears. Or maybe a mug or a t-shirt.

20 11 2008
Erin

I thought you were going to talk about Al Franken!

20 11 2008
A Fan From Chicago

Been spending too much time thinking about politics lately. I actually thought the thread was going to be about Al Franken, though I wasn’t sure why that would make sense.

One flaw in your thinking, AKM. Sarah Palin couldn’t have walked to Russia across that land bridge 12,000 years ago because it would have been 6,000 years before the earth was born.

20 11 2008
Denise sansMSgaAZca

In the museum at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks, is a mummified blue bison. When I came upon it, I stood and stared, bemused. I left to attend to other engaging exhibits about Northern lights and Alaskan geography, only to return and linger with Blue Babe. Enthralled.

I found myself cast back in time to when Babe roamed Alaska on mobile hooves that were most certainly not blue, but brown or black or gray. The Pleistocene age. Babe and her/his kind gave rise to our current bison, and utilized the land bridge to migrate back and forth to Europe. Babe’s world was populated with cave lions, giant cheetahs, shaggy rhinoceroses or rhinoceri, and mammoths. Perhaps AKM’s very same wooly Franken Mammoth.

http://www.uaf.edu/museum/exhibit/galleries/interior.html

20 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

fawnskin slyone mudpuppy here.
tiptoeing thru the comments.

20 11 2008
jadewillowmilian

thank you so much for this post. The foundational problem with Palin is that she is ignorant AND confident.

My mom use to tell me “the man that knows something, knows he knows nothing at all”

There is always room for growth no matter how successful, smart, ect and she has not wrapped her head around that.

http://www.buzzword101.com

20 11 2008
Greytdog

If you “build” it, they (the tourists) will come. . .

Although, technically speaking, we have mammoths – they’re in Congress, although the wooliest of woolly mammoths is now heading home to Alaska. . . .

20 11 2008
Denise sansMSgaAZca

Goalie in NM (13:21:18) :
BRAG ALERT…(and a bit OT)

BTW – on the BRAG…my son is developing an Ebola Virus Vaccine. It’s not the vaccine itself that is so fabulous (but it is too) but the method of delivery that will be/can be used by just about any one in the world which will be in a spray or pill form so it can be administered quickly and without instruction – as opposed to shot form.
Yeah, I’m a wee bit proud of the boy!
+++++++++++++++

Be proud!!!!!! I am and he isn’t even mine. I just got home from a disaster preparedness forum. One skilled nursing facility with a psych rehab wing reported on a Small Pox Drill which included having to plan to vaccinate residents for small pox– vaccine includes 15 stick in about 5 seconds, process repeated after some days/weeks during which the site cannot be scratched and the attenuated virus is contagious. Ughhh. A nightmare.

Thank you Son of Goalie in NM!!!! Thank you thank you thank you.

20 11 2008
Let'sGetReal

You have got to be kidding me! Because Obama talks because his subjects and verbs are in complete agreement…he might be seen as an elitist?

WOW!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obamas-use-of-complete-se_b_144642.html

20 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ A Fan From Chicago (13:29:45) :

One flaw in your thinking, AKM. Sarah Palin couldn’t have walked to Russia across that land bridge 12,000 years ago because it would have been 6,000 years before the earth was born.
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Good one!

@ kathy (13:22:56) :
…..But no new matter has been created)
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Yep! And that matter gets actualized into many different forms at different times. Sarah Palin–not a form I’d care to dream about. A woolly mammoth on the other hand……

20 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

I totally agree with bringing mammoths back. Awesome. Any way you can post the hair on the site, so I can feel it too??

Next: I want chlorophyll in my body so I can get most of my energy from the sun. Yeah, I’d have green hair and skin, but that’s okay with me. Down here in western Mass, I’d have to eat during the winter, but spring, summer and fall would be great.

I’d go soak up some rays now, except it’s pitch black outside with snow flurries.

20 11 2008
InJuneau

@Denise sansMSgaAZca (13:33:27) :

Oh, I LOVE Blue Babe! What a magnificent find.

And I’m all for bringing back the mammoths, esp. if we can use them to protect the wild places! Our backyard would only be able to support a very small one though…😦

20 11 2008
TheraP

Major Kudos for this great post! You, AKM, have a fertile imagination! Have you ever considered writing? 🙂

20 11 2008
Martha Unalaska Yard Sign

Mammoths in ANWR is an awesome idea – what an amazing thought.

Can you just imagine that SP’s head would just blow off if an extinct animal was resurrected in her (sort of ) own state? That is, until she came up with one of her quick verbal garbage answers that we can all make fun of – again. It’s kind of like a game, and not one that she is winning.

No more Bush fundie anti-science politics on the national scene for awhile. Our world will change in the next few years in ways we’ve already imagined and hoped for.

20 11 2008
Let'sGetReal

Would this be considered cloning? I’m not sure if I follow the science here.

20 11 2008
Mirage

I thought it had a double meaning and related to Al Franken, too. It would be mammoth if he made it through the re-count.

Meanwhile, the Bialowieza National Park in Poland – a primaeval forest came to mind while reading this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82owie%C5%BCa_Forest

The idea of actually being able to feel what a mammoth was like is quite cool. The closest I can come is a souvenir mug from a Mammoth ski area w/ a woolly mammoth on it.🙂

Check out this National Geographic article from 2005 – http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/04/0408_050408_woollymammoth.html

20 11 2008
RLS

Mmmmm. not so sure. Think what a elephant sized animal will do to your swing set. Also, if they are in competition for the same food that moose eat, they might get on Sarah’s “hunt from helicopter” list.

20 11 2008
Lana, KY

Although it is a super idea AKM ~ personally I would rather all of our dollars and resources went into saving those animals on the endangered list at present and in somehow stopping the loss of those that are in danger of disappearing right before our eyes.

20 11 2008
Forty Watt
20 11 2008
Pat, Washingonton state

It’s way beyond my scientific knowledge. I have just one question though. Are you sure you want to give Sarah Palin something else to shoot at? You know, don’t you, that if there are a whole herd of mammoths that eventually they will justify hunting them.

And that’s not to mention what Bush is trying to do before leaving office – I heard it on CNN or MSNBC last night. He wants to change the process of deciding which animals AND plants should be protected because they are endangered. He would give that responsibility to the developers to decide. Isn’t that just like what Sarah Palin did by appointing the group to investigate her rather than having a non-partisan group in charge? Sounds like Bush must be taking lessons from Palin.

Oh, can we PLEASE move up the inauguration date – to NOW?

Pat

20 11 2008
mhrt oregon

I see a book……….
how a blogger in pj’s changed the election

20 11 2008
drchill

Oh great. we’ll resurrect Neanderthals who’ll hunt mammoths from helicopters, and vote republican…

You’ve had better ideas, AKM … ; )

20 11 2008
enjay AKA Turbine Yukon

That would be awesome AKM —
I have seen the “wooly’s” at the Smithsonian in DC & Chicago

They would be so very cool to see at least “ALIVE”
(my mind is mentally listening to the old frankenstein movie …
Its Alive Its Alive )

On that note — I don’t even want to consider what size “pooper-scooper” a person would need !!

20 11 2008
Glenn2008

Poor mammoth. It would not be long before Sarah puts a bounty on his head. The poor sould could not even make friends with Brian.

20 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pgh, PA

AKM: I have been wondering for some time now whether or not Polar Bears could be transplanted to the south pole. At least there is solid ground there to prevent drowning, although the penguins could prove quite tasty for them.

As a parrot lover I wish we could bring back America’s only native parrot, known as the Carolina Parakeet, that mankind killed off. There is one stuffed example here in Pittsburgh’s Carnegie museum.

About the only critters (besides rats and cockroaches) I can think of that are in no danger of going extinct would be the Heel Footed Palins. Those things breed like crazy. They have been spotted frequently in the lower 48 and one was even seen near Iraq once. I think they may even be already bi Polar. Unlike most critters, Palins are constantly changing plumage, but can easily be identified by their squawks. -Eyes

20 11 2008
MonaLisa (in CT)

Am I the only one unable to log in to the forum? 😦

20 11 2008
CO Almost Native

If Sarah Palin had lived 12,000 years ago, she could have WALKED to Russia from her house.

Very clever, AKM!

BTW- Alaska’s current prehistoric mammoth, Stevens, got a standing ovation in the Senate today; I’m not sure if it was to celebrate his past (he is ancient), to celebrate his going, or to thumb their noses at the court (not the first time).

Goalie in NM (13:21:18) :
BRAG ALERT…(and a bit OT)

Be very proud, mom- and congratulations!

Pat, Washingonton state (14:23:55) :

I heard this, too, on CNN- if they (more than 20,000 rules) are written into rules by this Friday, they can’t be easily undone…except by Congressional review. And with almost 60 Dems, that may be the best way to go.

May the wooly mammoth come to life, head south, and tromp Bushie into the Texas dirt.

20 11 2008
Stuck

Let’sGetReal, as of my understanding, its the genetic modification of an elephant egg to become a mammoth egg. Cloning to return an extinct species is not feasible since cloned animals contain all the DNA damage incurred by the original, causing any offspring to be produced between two cloned animals to have many mutations. It’s also the reason why cloned animals like Dolly do not live long.

This is a much more sensible solution though it has the potential to produce disntinctly non-mammoth creatures. Even if the hair was protected, we’re not sure what DNA damage has occurred from radiation and any attempts to fix that would be based off of comparison with extant elephant species. In addition, womb conditions play a major factor in embryonic development. We might end up with an animal that is genetically a mammoth but phenotypically a hybrid.

Also AKM, while the idea of reintroducing the species to the environment is enticing, its not feasible. Its been 60,000 years. Simply put, the environment has moved on. Its adapted to the point where mammoth reintroduction would be an adverse effect. The predator-prey relations have changed. Mammoths may end up causing bears in Alaska to go extinct, consdering their low numbers and the strength and aggression of elephants in protecting themselves. Sorry to be a downer, but it doesn’t seem likely that it’d be anything but an oddity in an Alaskan zoo.

20 11 2008
Gizmo

At the age of nine I had a terrific experience– a new road was being built nearby the little Minnesota town where I grew up. The bulldozers started to turn up all sorts of bone fragments, and pretty soon the whole community was out at the site in the evening with flashlights, sorting through the soil and collecting bits and pieces. We weren’t even sure what particular creature had perished, but it clearly wasn’t a herd of dairy cows. The teeth and jawbones were enormous. After a few days scientists from the University heard about what was going on, and they came out to collect a variety of parts, and concluded that what had happened was that a herd of beasts that were the genetic predecessor to the buffalo had been driven (perhaps by praire fire) into a bog, where they perished together and were well-preserved by the conditions there. As I recall they came up with enough parts to put one specimen together. Anyway, it was a magical experience for us young kids.

20 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pgh, PA

Wow! CBS Evening News has a story tonight on reconstructing mammouths from DNA!!!!!!!

20 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pgh, PA

AKM: …Neanderthal, whose extinction we also had a part in,

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Is this a reference to the defeat of Sarah Palin last Nov. 4th?

20 11 2008
Mollys Mum

AKM, I am so jealous. You have actual mammoth fur?? That would be enough to keep me happy for years–just to feel it and, as you so eloquently describe, get transported back to its time. Lucky girl, you.

Goalie, more power and opportunities for your wonderful son. The thought that his ilk will inhabit and rule the earth in the future is very reassuring. What a great young man. 🙂

20 11 2008
CO Almost Native

MonaLisa (in CT) (15:14:56) :

I just logged on; maybe on of the moderators will read your plea, and fix it for you.

Stuck (15:21:45) :

I know, but it’s sure fun to dream…

Gizmo (15:22:10) :

Magical experience, indeed-every kid should have at least one, in his/her lifetime:)

20 11 2008
emjaygee

Goalie in NM – You have every right to be proud of your son. That is awesome. Ebola is a horrifying virus.

LetsGetReal . . . it’s a joke! Read it over again.

I like the thought of a Jurassic Park, only with herbivores. That’s a great restriction – no carnivores, please.

20 11 2008
mde

I thought this was a post about the MN Senate recount!

20 11 2008
Howling Wolf Pup

Dreaming the impossible dream, eh AKM? I’m with you!!

20 11 2008
Mired...in the Pine Barrens

“It might be a great way to keep the area ‘green’ while encouraging tourism and making a ton of money from a renewable resource.” — AKM

It is refreshing that we can finally entertain legitimate scientific discussions and fantasies again. I’m loving the science thaw.

But, I don’t know…I hate to throw a wet woolly blanket on your secret fantasy, AKM, but I’m not sure I can go there. There’s something about making a buck off a mammoth that just doesn’t feel right. And…renewable resource? I’m sure you don’t mean you’d want some wild Russians hunting them down in ANWR.

Anyway, as far as the Neanderthals…do us all a favor. When Uncle Ted goes, just make sure he takes all his hair with him.

20 11 2008
Howling Wolf Pup

MonaLisa, I sure hope you can get back in the Forum because we have much to learn from you. You might have to go back to an original name to log in??

20 11 2008
Irishgirl Rosebud.

@Fawnskin,
I spotted that – but then I am an expert at deception!🙂

@Mona Lisa,
There appears to be major problems on the internet today. I’m having trouble as well.

20 11 2008
NY Dem

WHAT did she do now ?

Countdown just opened with a big “Breaking News’ headline about Sarah Palin pardoning a turkey, but the press conference afterwards went “horribly wrong” (their words).

Open mouth, insert foot – again !?!?!?!

20 11 2008
Stuck

CO Almost Native, yeah it’s great to think about the possibilities. The unfortunate mammoth is just not one of the species that would deal well with ressurrection. On the other hand, there are plenty of critters we could bring back that died off recently. The dodo, tasmanian devil, various amphibians and reptiles are all good candidates. There’s plenty of species we could revive but alot of it is dependent on having the zoo capacity to create large populations that would survive introduction into the wild, not to mention total hunting bans in the introduction areas. However, regardless of whether or not a new wild mammoth population is feasible, it is important to go through with it as it’d both be a test of the technology and an avenue for public support and education.

20 11 2008
20 11 2008
babyboomerqueen

I am so glad that you said, Franken Mammoth…I thought you we gonna talk about Sarah Palin again…face it Alaskans she is prehistoric in her views…her idea of new energy is coal and oil from Alaska. COAL…I laughed my big butt off at that one…coal as energy, is as old as the hills and ground that it comes out of.

We can get enough energy out of one hour of sun to use for a year. why should we rape the earth and clog up the air and skies with more pollution to make the OZONE even worse?

Bringing a Mammoth back to now might be a little mean…they still haven’t decided what was the controlling force behind their demise but they do not think it was any particular one thing. It did suffer when the ice age ended and it was hunted for food by the man.

What worries me is how could you keep Palin from shooting them from her plane? I can see it now…Palin shoots first Mammoth, while wearing Neiman Marcus underwear…youngest daughter stands by in her Neiman Marcus undies to skin it.
That’s right folks there will be Mammoth Chili tonight at the White House. Granny (SP) will be serving it in the pool room. She defends the action by stating, ” I bought these underwear when I was running for VP in 2008>”

I am afraid you are opening a can of warms, as long as Sarah Palin is around..”

I am glad you got your little fur ball of history. But, where would you keep something like that? In the freezer in a giant cube?

My Mother always wanted to be an astronuant. So, I understand.

Southern smiles and world peace,
Sharon
~The Baby Boomer Queen~

20 11 2008
portland orgon native

Any one remember Jurasic Park? It kinda creeps me out.

20 11 2008
Rob in Ca

Such a wonderful notion to imagine resurrecting the mammoth…and where better to do it than Alaska! Your post really hits the emotional aspect of this scientific research. This is exciting at a visceral level!

Now if we could create the same romance and excitement about retaining the species we have now, but might not have soon! Off-shore drilling, the Pebble Mine, ANWAR, polar bears…we have so many opportunities right now. Opportunities to do what is right, not what makes us the most money in the short term.

Gas is cheap again – anyone notice? Should I go buy an SUV? I bet the price is great!
Should we stop talking about wind and solar till it is cheaper than coal? Will we have the discipline and judgement to tax coal and gas and develop wind and solar?

I hope we can have the wisdom to make more wise decisions. We made a good one this year, voting in Obama. We need to show even more wisdom now that we have to start answering the really tough questions.

20 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

The Palin turkey pardon apparently went too far when they conducted an interview with her afterward, as they slaughtered turkeys behind her. Up soon on Countdown. Yuck. But seems fitting.

20 11 2008
Vlad the ImPalin

Does it resemble that hair-thingey on top of Mz Failin’s head?

20 11 2008
Lacy Lady

Being a fiber artist–I wonder if I could spin the fiber. I could then knit a nice sweater. But me in for one.

20 11 2008
Lacy Lady

woops—Put me in for one.

20 11 2008
seachele99

I too (also though) initially thought this was a blog about the Fraken Senate race in MN. My how we are all still so politically minded…

20 11 2008
QuiltAK AKA Northern Quilter AK

Lacy Lady

You can get qivuit from the musk ox up here. It’s incredibly warm and soft and SPENDY, but beautiful!

20 11 2008
MonaLisa (in CT)

Hey! I got back int the forum (but don’t ask ME how – no clue!)

Thank you CO, Howling & Irishgirl!

20 11 2008
Sue

Get in line behind the auto industry, AK, and put in for a Mammoth Bailout. There won’t be any rules or regulations, so you’ll be able to do pretty much whatever you want to with the money. : )

20 11 2008
Nisperos

Why not, with climate change encompassing both global warming and the next ice age… and with the wooly mammoth having once roamed the massive glaciers which covered the current Minnesota landscape…

Oh, for a clear, clean and concise victory by design…
And a user-friendly freelance product…

But, oh what a ride, what a ride! What a hairboating* ride in the big frothy wooly whitewater hair of mammoth proportions.

(Boating within a hair’s breadth of disaster. Boating beyond your skill level, or boating extremely dangerous stuff: http://www.paddlenow.com/html/dictionary%20G-K.html )

20 11 2008
ozmud

OH OH OH! AND… you could bottle up all the methane they give off and sell it as an alternative natural gas! Or at least to unsuspecting tourists… like a ‘fart in a jar’ kind of gimmick.

I’ve wanted my own wooly mammoth since the episode of Northern Exposure where whatshisface discovered that other guy feeding off a frozen one he’d found by accident.

Lynn-in-Australia
*dances around the room with her purple critter*

20 11 2008
Dee

I just watched Sarah Palin pardoning turkeys and being interviewed with turkeys being killed in the background. I am so tired of people saying she’s a really smart person. She IS NOT! She is STUPID!!! She talks in circles and says absolutely nothing!!! I have no idea how she ever became a governor. She’s a dope!!

20 11 2008
mhrt oregon

MonaLisa
most of the time i just use the link that AKM leaves fot the night kitchen….dumps me right there

20 11 2008
ozmud

Bec -Yes We Did – in Illinois (16:32:50) :

The Palin turkey pardon apparently went too far when they conducted an interview with her afterward, as they slaughtered turkeys behind her. Up soon on Countdown. Yuck. But seems fitting.
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Bec! I’ve been looking for a story on Palin pardoning those turkeys all morning to no avail… do you have a link? Is there a video? rofl I should be ashamed of myself for wanting to see this but oddly enough, I’m not🙂

20 11 2008
Lana, KY

Here in Northern Ky. just south of Cincinnati is a State Park called “Big Bone Lick” (always gets a chuckle), which in the time before the ice age was a warm mineral springs & swamp area which also contained salt licks.
The severe climatic changes during the ice age had major impacts on the fauna and flora. With each advance of the ice, large areas of the continents became totally depopulated, and plants and animals retreating southward in front of the advancing glacier faced tremendous stress. The most severe stress resulted from drastic climatic changes, reduced living space, and curtailed food supply. A major extinction event of large mammals (megafauna), which included mammoths, mastodons, saber-toothed cats, glyptodons, ground sloths, and short-faced bears, began late in the Pleistocene. The salty marsh that attracted these prehistoric visitors sometimes proved to be a fatal attraction. Animals became trapped and perished in what the early pioneers called “jelly ground,” leaving skeletons and interesting clues about life in prehistoric Kentucky.

The fossilized remains of these prehistoric animals were discovered in 1739 and displayed extensively at museums throughout the world. Notable Americans such as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin personally examined the fossils, many of which are on display today at Big Bone Lick Museum. The scientific community recognizes the site as the “Birthplace of American Vertebrate Paleontology.”

20 11 2008
WV Democrat

I’m quite sure I don’t think I’d like mammoths or any other pre-historic creatures back among us. We simply don’t know enough about them and don’t even start me on the whole cloning thing!! Anyone see the end of the Canadian tv show ReGenesis? *Shudder*

While it might be a nice feel good thing to think about, I believe the reality would be a disaster.

20 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

AKM. I love how you think. You even figured out a way to make those Mammoths contributing citizens of Alaska. (Maybe we can have a mammoth race with Russia!)

I found this article in my daily paper, which I happened to open just before I started driving home, and was day dreaming as I drove. “It could be done. The question is… should we do it?” asked Stephen Schuster, co-author of the research. So I wondered how they could have a place in this world. How would they get the years of nurturing and socialization that elephants require… and what climate would support both elephant parent and mammoth child.

Mammoths hold compelling evidence of catastrophic climate change.
I used mammoth/mastodon ivory for scrimshaw and was deeply impressed by the fact that these massive creatures were browsing on buttercups when they were quickly frozen to death, remaining frozen for some 50 thousand years, until they were found, meat still fresh and edible, tusks still sound, partially stained but often as white and clear as new. Here she is, browsing on buttercups at moonrise…

http://www.beccart.com/scrimshaw/pages/scrim_mastodon_jpg.htm
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20 11 2008
grumpy in Illinois

I just wonder with the changes over the eons whether the mammoth would survive. New species of bacteria have emerged that could be deadly to such an old creature. Pollution alone might be terrible. Are there adverse effects from cloning that could harm us? And has been already stated, its greatest enemy will be humans.

20 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

Ozmud – I tried to find the clip too. I think MSNBC kept it exclusive until they showed it tonight. And they burred out some of the grosser stuff. I bet it will pop up on YouTube soon. I don’t find it yet as a separate vid on MSNBC Countown Website. It really is pretty long because she read this ridiculously long pardon statement that made me remember why I’ve been so happy to have to hear her voice lately!!

Hope you find the clip somewhere.

20 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

Stuck (16:10:02) : Tasmanian devils not extinct – yet.

The Tasmanian devils are still living, but have recently been afflicted with cancerous lesions on their faces. Attempts are being made to isolate the uninfected populations.

20 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

This should be the link to the turkey vid on MSNBC – they have all of tonight’s show broken down into several vids. Keith isn’t on tonight – it is David Shuster again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27831044

20 11 2008
akmuckraker

Fear not! I will have turkey coverage coming soon!

20 11 2008
Lulu
20 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

Most likely the turkeys had asked to be killed…

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/opinion/luckovichnov08/

20 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pgh, PA

Sarah Palin Does TV Interview While Turkeys Are Slaughtered In The Background (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/20/sarah-palin-holds-news-co_n_145375.html

20 11 2008
Stuck

Scrimshaw – Whoops! Meant Tasmanian Tiger, they’ve only been gone a scant 80 years. Good catch.😛

20 11 2008
rachelbirds

Imagine the mammoth
droppings — now there’s a whole lot
of fertilizer.

http://www.thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com

20 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein (18:16:19) :

You need to check out Mike Luckovich’s November political cartoon; this link should take you directly there…

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/opinion/luckovichnov08/

(he beat you to it-LOL!)

20 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein (17:39:52)

Wonderful artwork, I assume is yours…

I’m Not a Turkey Palin was visibly squeamish with the saved bird- odd, considering she can field dress a moose (sorry Brian and Brenda) and shoot wolves from the air. However, her English has not improved- tsk, tsk,

OH, yes, AKM- this will be on You Tube, Huffpo, CNN, Faux News…

20 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

CO — I thought the same thing. Dead, bloody caribou, and she is afraid of a live turkey? But then, not with the slaughter going on behind her? What does this mean. She likes dead bloody things better than live ones? Hmmmm

20 11 2008
Mark Begich is DA MAN!!!!

Field & Stream deemed Palin a Sportsman of the Year (will not be renewing that subscription) because she’s a real huntin’ woman. What they don’t seem to realize is that she’s a real turkey. Pardon me on that, tho.

Almost off topic, but did anyone get the details on someone hacking into Obama’s cell phone records? I presume it’s not Palin doing the hacking because, well, she’s probably not bright enough and she’s busy unpardoning all them turkeys (may she just discovered they really are not her relatives?).

20 11 2008
Regi

Alaska doesn’t have penguins?
I hate woodpeckers, I have cedar shingles.

20 11 2008
psl

sweetrness on an epic scale. butt, when all is considered…
wouldn’t it be better to think…,

20 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Bec -Yes We Did – in Illinois (18:47:04) :

I think she prefers to slaughter the English language…

20 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

CO Almost Native (18:33:52) :
You need to check out Mike Luckovich’s November political cartoon; this link should take you directly there…
http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/opinion/luckovichnov08/
@&@&@&@&@&@&@

…Re: Most likely the turkeys had asked to be killed…
I know CO, ’cause it’s the same link that I posted at (18:16:19) – and Luckovich’s turkey cartoon was posted so many times on one thread here on Monday, that I thought some people would think of it, and would get my joke without even looking… >gobble<

20 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein (18:57:46) :

oops- I posted it on Monday, but wasn’t sure who’d remember. That’ll teach me to skim through the posts when I came back (blush).

20 11 2008
GJ in ID

OT…oh, what a turkey….can’t we make her go away….
I just caught failing palin on the news again…

20 11 2008
califpat

What is wrong with this woman? Is she walking around in an unconscious state?
Why would she do an interview in front of a turkey slaughterhouse and not feel that those images would be nauseating and gory to the public? Who voted this woman in office??Sheesh!!!

20 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

CO Almost Native…

Could SP have staged this stunt as a pointed reply to Luckovich?

Someone even asked her if she was OK with that bloody backdrop, and she said, “No worries!”

The mind pales…

20 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein (19:11:42) :

A stunt on purpose? Hmm…no, I don’t think she’d understand a political cartoon unless it jumped off the newspaper pages and bit her on the butt.

20 11 2008
Dianna

Eyes Wide Open in Pgh, PA (18:21:30) :
Sarah Palin Does TV Interview While Turkeys Are Slaughtered In The Background (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/20/sarah-palin-holds-news-co_n_145375.html

THAT was horrible. There is something seriously missing in this woman.

20 11 2008
CO Almost Native

new thread- follow that turkey:)

20 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Aw, and here I was hoping it was about Al Franken (yes, me, too). He’s edging closer, but it’s still a real toss up. I am not sure how I feel about franken-animals. Hm.

Eyes, you HAVE to find a way to get that avatar over onto the forums. I am OBSESSED with your avatar!

As for Palin and the turkey fiasco, I’ll say what I said in the forum: Glad to see she’s still so disconnected from reality.

20 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

Negative attention is still attention.
Negative publicity is publicity all the same.

If it takes a few birds in a chipper-shredder to keep herself in the public eye, won’t she just go for it? It’s consistent with the image she’s built, of red meat politics, and she does use the word, brutal, during the interview. I am troubled by the possibility that she is not unconscious of the effect of her setting. I want to laugh, but I’m more inclined to shudder.

It’ll jolly well put me off of turkey this year!

20 11 2008
ozmud

*applause*applause*applause*

Thanks to all for the links! I’ve watched it about 6 times this arvo- and then the biggest treat from AKM’s brilliant post! I howled! I peed my chair! I expected a wooly mammoth to run rampant through the turkey shed!

20 11 2008
Sarah of Arizona

She can’t get out of her own way. What a moron. Thank God she cannot get Steven’s Senate seat.

20 11 2008
Bernice

I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that you guys have bears and moose roaming so freely. Lord only knows what life would be like there if there were mammoths too.

I love reading novels that depict Indian life and their encounters with the once large population of mammoths. But Lord knows I’m afraid of most everyTHING so if Alaska had these huge beasts roaming around I know I would definitely chicken out of EVER visiting, already have envisions of “what ifs” if I encounter the bears, moose and deers!

22 11 2008
sam

u can have the mammoths. would be quiet happy if u leave the tusk/ ivory for me

23 11 2008
hani

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