Palin’s Future in the Gop.

17 11 2008

I hesitate sometimes to call the Republican Party, the G.O.P. Grand Old Party….it just doesn’t seem to fit. Old, maybe, but hardly grand these days. I continue to call it that because it’s shorter, easier to type, and if you pronounce the acronym in your head when you read it, it’s amusing. Gop. The party has given me and many others such heartburn over the last eight years, that if thinking “gop” when we read G.O.P. brings a smile, then so be it. They owe us.

I’ve been watching the Sarah Palin “Victory Tour” with much amusement. Never has a failed Vice Presidential candidate with such high negative ratings done so little for so many for so LONG after they should have been home licking their wounds.

In the great piece by Frank Rich in yesterday’s New York Times, he notes:

Palin’s manic post-election publicity tour, which may yet propel her and “the first dude” to “Dancing With the Stars,” is almost a parody of the McCain ad likening Obama to Paris and Britney. Anyone who says so is promptly called out for sexism by the P.C. police of the newly “feminist” G.O.P.

At the risk of being so reviled, let me point out that in the marathon of Palin interviews last week, the single most revealing exchange had nothing to do with her wardrobe or the “jerks” , as she called them, around McCain. It came instead when Wolf Blitzer of CNN asked for some substance by inviting her to suggest “one or two ideas” that Republicans might have to offer. “Well, a lot of Republican governors have really good ideas for our nation,” she responded, without specifying anything except that “it’s all about free enterprise and respecting equality.” Well, yes, but surely there’s some actual new initiative worth mentioning, Blitzer followed up. “Gah!” replied the G.O.P.’s future. “Nothing specific right now!”

The good news for Democrats is a post-election Gallup poll finding that while only 45 percent of Americans want to see Palin have a national political future (and 52 percent of Americans do not), 76 percent of Republicans say bring her on.

And in the mean time, those other GOPers (goppers?) in government are having second thoughts about Ms. Palin. There were grumblings and mumblings from the Republican Governors’ Conference, whining that Palin was getting all the media attention and she didn’t actually say anything. The eye-rolling and squirming in chairs was palpable.

Newt Gingrich yesterday denied that Palin would be the new standard bearer going in to 2012. Instead, after saying with a straight face that Palin was “wonderfully intelligent”, he went on to explain that there would most likely be 20 or 30 representatives that would carry the sedan chair filled with GOP ideals through the desert and into the future.

Sunday, after the Alaskan governor completed an intense week of media appearances despite her ticket’s decisive defeat, Gingrich was trying to play her down some.

“I think that she will be a significant player,” Gingrich says, “But she is going to be one of 20 or 30 signficant players. She’s not going to be the party’s de facto leader.”

Gingrich’s incomplete list of potential party leaders may be somewhat inflated. But it is interesting that the former House member agrees with many GOP backers that the desperately needed new leadership will come from the ranks of the 21 surviving Republican governors that have produced two of the last three GOP presidents.

Gingrich added: “She’s going to be a much bigger story in the short run. But, I think, as she goes back to being governor and as she works in Alaska, you’re going to see a group of governors emerge, not just Sarah Palin.”

While the dilution begins, I’m thinking Sarah Palin may not be the GOP’s best friend, she may be the Democrats’.


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17 11 2008
akmuckraker

I appreciate everyone keeping comments on topic. Enjoy the Blog open thread over on the Forum!

17 11 2008
GJ in ID

I so agree

17 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

i am here, grammy

and i am gleeful that swwnbn has been stripped of her shiny outercoating to reveal the truth within.

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

They will distance themselves more and more over time and by 2011, it’ll be Sarah WHO?? Although she really is a guarantee for an Obama second term if she even hints at throwing in her hat; we’ll know what we’re up against next time and be ready for her!

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

I was hoping for some Begich election news – guess it’s still early in AK, though – geez, we still have to wait today and tomorrow . . .

17 11 2008
claudia in nyc

I cannot remember where I read this, but someone has taken to calling it the “god awful party” which sounds about right at to me.

17 11 2008
mimi

It’s Goofy Old People.

17 11 2008
Just Me

I’ve been saying for years that George Bush will do more harm to the GOP than any Democrat could.

Sarah is just continuing George’s excellent work!

17 11 2008
rachelbirds

No doubt she helped get
Obama elected — for
that I am grateful.

http://www.thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com

17 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

“I’m thinking Sarah Palin may not be the GOP’s best friend, she may be the Democrats’.” -AKM

So, ya think?

The day she was announced as Veep-to-be-fo’-da-GOP I said “McCain just gave Obama the greatest gift in American elections history.”

I have always considered Sarah Palin to be kryptonite for her own party.

Or something straight out of Willy Wonka.

That’s it! She’s an Everlasting GOPstopper!

Brilliant! AKM

17 11 2008
Bethsey in the Midwest

If you go to huffpost, you’ll see the itemization of the $150,000 on clothes, etc. UNBELIEVABLE. Things like $21,000 for 3 suits for the First Dud. And (although I must have hallucinated this) something like $500 for a bra. As in ONE.

17 11 2008
Lock Pepper in honolulu

OMG, I could get about 15 bras for that–paying full price!

17 11 2008
A Brit Abroad

Ummm…. Bethsey, I think that was a theoretical breakdown, rather than a real one “Vanity Fair’s fashion department took Sarah’s budget and came up with a dream wardrobe that would fit the bill”.

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin (10:57:43) :

Did you go in and sign that petition to tell Sarah to shut up? I think I saw your “name” on it – anyway, I went in on Fri or Sat and then emailed it to a bunch of friends; when I went in on Sun, there were some of the most vulgar comments you could think of. Anyway, I quickly wrote to my friends and apologized but today I see that they were voided, except a more recent one, just horrible; other comments on there were pretty good, though.

17 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

On a different thread some days ago the topic of what GOP really stands for came up.

I think it was Marty who offered my favorite, and probably most prophetic: “Get Out, Palin!”

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

Marty is goooood!

So is she back in AK or what? I wonder if First Dud saw that pic of her and the poolboy in FL?

17 11 2008
Bethsey in the Midwest

But Brit–My understanding is that a lot of what she got WERE the items on that list. They didn’t just come up with $150k worth of stuff. Am I wrong?

17 11 2008
SMR

Love this one by Andrew Sullivan. The gloves are off!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/alaskas-educati.html

17 11 2008
Brian aka Snooker Hinge Palin

” I’m thinking Sarah Palin may not be the GOP’s best friend, she may be the Democrats’.”

You betcha!

Gah! Also.

(Now that the ’08 presidential race is finished, do I have to return my honorary PalinName to the RNC?)

17 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

Jeez AKM, with friends like Sarah…who needs enemies?

17 11 2008
rachelbirds

Vanity Fair came
up with a spending spree list —
it’s hot off the press.

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/november-17-2008-7/

17 11 2008
SMR

My uncle, a dem in the icky Wasilla area, told a story at our recent family gathering about a neighbor offering him one a bumpersticker that says “Go Sarah Go” or “Run Sarah Run” (There are both in this nauseating state), and he told the guy that sure he’d take one, and he’d put it on his front bumper.

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Hi mudpuppies-
I posted this on the bedtime thread, but it fits here:

Today’s Denver Post editorial cartoon:

A Pilgrim is sitting in his easy chair, watching a flat screen tv…it’s Slinky Palin, going ” Blah, Blah”; the turkey hands the Pilgrim a hatchet, saying “Kill Me”

Nice to know others feel the same way we do:)

17 11 2008
A Brit Abroad

I’m 99.9% certain that Vanity Fair came up with the list by themselves. They may have based some of it on what she was seen in, but I think it’s unlikely we’ll ever find out precisely what the money was used for. Anyway, here’s the link:
.www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/17/how-did-sarah-palin-spend_n_144336.html
I think it’s the headline that’s isleading.

17 11 2008
Bev

GOP…Grumpy Old Politicians…..

I know we don’t need more Palin but does anyone know if she is back in Alaska yet?????

She needs to do something about bettering the school system and dealing with all the dropouts.

She needs to get back to work and serve Alaska!!

17 11 2008
A Brit Abroad

@ SMR – ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa!

17 11 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

“Go Sarah Go”

I would add – “Go Sarah Go” ……Please

like the old vaudville joke – take my wife……

17 11 2008
SMR

@CO Native —

I’ve been trying to track you down about that cartoon. I want it!

Who’s the artist?

17 11 2008
NSWFM

Newt: wasn’t he the guy cheating on his wife?

Sarah Palin proved the Goppers should change their name to Get out, Palin. The rest of the ones that could talk in complete sentences probably felt like the turkey in the cartoon saying “Kill me.”

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

SMR (11:12:31) :
Love this one by Andrew Sullivan. The gloves are off!

I agree with Sullivan completely, and he has such a sly way with words.

I think Slinky Palin is cramming in as many talk shows as possible before the new Alaska legislative session, when she’ll have to deal with Troopergate, EMailgate, Housegate, and any other gates that pop up between now and then. And all those legislators, from both parties, that she threw under the Straight Talk Express- they can’t wait.

Grab yourselves a brew and popcorn, and settle back to watch the show…

17 11 2008
ashkee Colorado

Go, Sarah, Go! and take Uncle Stevens with you.

17 11 2008
A Brit Abroad

Whilst trying to figure out ways to deal with my narcissistic ex-husband today and finally accepting that Palin seems to be a through and through narcisstist herself (I really dislike practicing pseudopsychology, even though sometimes it helps)… I found advice that may be the way to deal with her:

1. Ignore her
2. When not ignoring her, take her to task for her verbiage. Break it down, throw it back at her and demand clear answers.

I’d love to see the GOP do that, though I am torn about whether I’d like to see it soon or after 2012…

17 11 2008
halcrow

“I think that she will be a significant player,” Gingrich says, “But she is going to be one of 20 or 30 signficant players. She’s not going to be the party’s de facto leader.”

If they’re all going of the same calibre as Sarah Palin, I’d venture to suggest that they’re all going to end up being as indsignificant as she is.

Having seen that video of the ever-so-polite Governor Rick Perry’s eyes glaze over (even as they twitched wildly) as he stood next to Sarah-at-the-podium, I think that 20 or 30 significant anybodies in the same room as Sarah would either be looking for a steep cliff to rush over, lemming-like, or else they’d lose their call for politics.

17 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

Mine was so much MEANER
Grand Old Pedophile
Go ahead…Google Republican Family Values.
There are PAGES of values and the pedophiles who hold them near and dear are listed.

17 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

AKM, I just love the freedom to say gop. I’ve always (in my head) said the “G” “O” “P”.

gop, goppers, been gopped, never been a gop. Just wonderful.

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

SMR (11:21:27) :

The cartoonist is Mike Luckovich, Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

It’s great- I may frame it:)

17 11 2008
Political Amazon

[[[On a different thread some days ago the topic of what GOP really stands for came up.

I think it was Marty who offered my favorite, and probably most prophetic: “Get Out, Palin!”]]]

I vote for “Grumpy Old Poops.”

17 11 2008
Political Amazon

[[[AKM, I just love the freedom to say gop. I’ve always (in my head) said the “G” “O” “P”.

gop, goppers, been gopped, never been a gop. Just wonderful.]]]

I like “GOPer” (with a long “o”). It has such a doofussy ring to it.

17 11 2008
ashkee Colorado

Geriatric Old Phools

17 11 2008
SMR

Thanks CO Native! If I could stand to have her picture in my house — even a cartoon would put me off my food — I’d frame this one!

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/luckovich/index.html

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native
17 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

I would love to join the forum. I’ve tried. It says that it has sent the activation email, but nothing is sent. Just above that statement, it says “An error has occured.” HELP! I miss everyone and the chats.

I’m on it….AKM

17 11 2008
UK Lady

Ghastly Obsolete Prats!

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

oops-

Great minds move in the same direction at the same time:)

17 11 2008
Political Amazon

[[[Now that the ‘08 presidential race is finished, do I have to return my honorary PalinName to the RNC?)]]]

Only if it’s embroidered on your Neiman-Marcus underdrawers.

17 11 2008
pvazwindy

SP is finished. IF Gingrich sees her in the mix with 20-30 others, then she becomes insignificant. I personally feel that Alaskans will do the right thing and make her answer for all of her gates. SP will be returned to the tundra where she’ll have a better view of Russia.

17 11 2008
SMR

@Newfoundland —

I’ll go over to the chat and tell the moderator working now that you’re having problems.

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

Whabs, Seattle, WA. (11:25:31) :

Interesting list of Repug sex offenders . . .

17 11 2008
ashkee Colorado

Newfoundland: My old activation code (month + old) no longer works. I waited too long to activate, I suppose. I may have to re-register if I want in.

17 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Anyone notice Vanity Fair had a $22,000 Patek Phillipe watch on Barbies list? Clothes are seen, shoes are seen. A watch isn’t seen ? And who’d know if it’s a Patek (truly aweome watches) or a cheapie knockoff from 10th Ave in NY?

And Vanity Fair had to have some help, since they had specific items listed by name.. They might be able to recognize some items from clips, but EVERY item ?? someone sent em a detailed list. And did Barbie return it all?

i’ve mentioned this before, even donating the clothes doesn’t eliminate the original FEC violation. They aren’t allowed to buy clothes. Period. There is no clause in there that allows buying clothes to return them or donate them later.

Someone’s gonna get fried over that.. I vote they fry Barbie. Does anyone really believe she was just handed perfectly fitted clothes and she had nothing to do with it? I don’t think so!

Sorta on topic and i like it here better🙂

17 11 2008
Valhalla

Hey Mudflats, who is going to buy this book? Giving her millions?

(Times of London): Gov. Palin’s personal account of her tumultuous introduction to national politics is widely regarded as the book most likely to repay a multimillion-dollar advance. “She’s poised to make a ton of money,” said Howard Rubenstein, New York’s best-known public relations adviser. “Every publisher and a lot of literary agents have been going after her,” added Jeff Klein of Folio Literary management.

17 11 2008
LibertyLover

So what happens if Sarah loses her reelection bid for Governor? Or will she stab Lisa Murkowski in the back and run against her?

17 11 2008
the Norwegian Blue

Interesting comment from today’s Wall St Journal http://blogs.wsj.com/politicalperceptions/2008/11/17/why-palin-in-2012-needs-sen-stevens-to-win/:

I know two women in Anchorage who are interrupters, one English to French and German, and one who signs for the deaf. They both tell me it’s almost impossible to translate Sarah’s utterances into something understandable.
Comment by Anonymous in Chugiak – November 17, 2008 at 2:51 pm

17 11 2008
the Norwegian Blue

(I think the commenter quoted meant to say interpreters…)

17 11 2008
Charcoal Sniper P.

Newfoundland Dogs Rule (11:31:19) :

I would love to join the forum. I’ve tried. It says that it has sent the activation email, but nothing is sent. Just above that statement, it says “An error has occured.” HELP! I miss everyone and the chats

I saw the call for help (in live chat) and I am working on it.

17 11 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

I’m so glad the MSM isn’t talking too much about Scarah now! I almost can’t wait for the next presidential primaries to watch the GOP candidates tear her azz apart! I didn’t watch the GOP debates last year, but they will be interesting in 2011 if she dares to compete!

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

She will run against Lisa, I am almost positive. She got a taste of the national “scene” and thinks that’s where she belongs; I don’t think she’ll beat Lisa, but you know how hateful SP can be and she will have her claws out.

17 11 2008
Let'sGetReal

I guess I should have taken my extended name off after the election.

17 11 2008
A Fan From Chicago

Seems like there are a couple different visions of Palin’s future in the party: The conservative/religious right’s; the “regular” Republican’s (whoever they are these days); and Palin’s.

I’m guessing the first group, those who heard the dog-whistles from her for the last three months, see a bright future. To them, she’s The One, the charaming servant just begging the Almighty to not let her pass an open door. I think this group will keep in touch, promote her within the group, bring her places for fundraising (where she might be quite good) and help her get tuned up for another run for something. When you’re looking at The End of Days you’re gonna need your Joan of Arc (15 yard penalty, illegal use of metaphore.)

Group Two I bet is far less interested in her success. First, she presents a clear and present danger to the guys who fancy themselves as Presidential Timber. Second, face it, she’s a joke. Probably look for polite acknowledgement of her existence but largely a cold shoulder.

But what about Sarah herself? “How do you keep her down on the farm when she’s already seen Paree.” I think after some, maybe even serious, attempts to repair her image at home, she’s going to be craving the spotlight and won’t be able to sit still. It’s the beauty pagenteer in her, or the TV sportscaster. She needs the lights to shine on her to survive.

Don’t think she has the smarts, the political savvy, or life experience to go very far. But I don’t think that will stop her from trying. Despite her painful inability to recognize her own imitations, I think she soldiers on, the happy warrior, dropping g’s, rousing the rabble, adding grandma to her long list of accomplishments, and generally making life a living hell for those around her.

Good news for AKM! Should be fun to watch.

17 11 2008
katiebegood

I think that the fact that the GOP governors didn’t give her any kind of a leadership role was telling, at best.

A little OT, but relevant regarding the “GOP”. Dino Rossi who was running for Governor of the State of Washington listed his party as “GOP” on the ballot. I thought that was a hoot. He was so embarrassed being a Republican he listed his party as “GOP”.

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com (11:37:36) :

I agree, Vanity Fair had to have at least a partial list; or they had fashionistas pour over every available photo to compile the wardrobe (too much trouble- I think some irritated aide passed it on). Did I read on huffpo that First Dud got $21,000 worth of suits?! What does a oil field/snow machine dude need with $$$ suits?!

17 11 2008
Charcoal Sniper P.

Newfoundland Dogs Rule (11:31:19) :
you have been activated
please try and get in again

17 11 2008
Crunk Petrol Palin

G.O.P. =

GROSSLY OUTDATED PURITANS!

17 11 2008
forkboy

I’m not certain I like the way you phrased this, “…while only 45 percent of Americans want to see Palin have a national political future…”

Only 45%?

Perish the thought, but 45% sounds like a fair number of persons. Granted, it’s 7% less than those who do not want to see her in the national political limelight, but it cetainly isn’t a small percentage.

And that thought should scare the shit out of all of us.

17 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Barbie’s secrets are exposed. Her flaws are known. Like an amateur poker player against WPT pros. Last a few hands, but once they know your tells, and you’re not good enough to fool em, they’ll take you to the cleaners.

She’s done, cooked and broiled. She might think she’s qualified to run again, based on her own personal ego flaws. But, the GOP isn’t full of morons. They’re being polite, but that 20-30 comment from the Newtster shined a huge spotlight on her being far from special or The Chosen One.

In past elections, it’s normal for the losing candidates getting high profile opportunities. Barbie couldn’t even get a chairmanship in the GOP GOVs ..

She’s done, and won’t run. Her reality is just lagging behind everyone elses. Once it hits her, she’ll end up hiding in a closet.

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

forkboy (11:45:49) :

I agree, and I’m counting on AKM, halcrow, and the other Alaskan mudflatters to keep us informed-

I’m also counting on Slinky Palin to get herself mired in one of the numerous “gates” awaiting her…

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

So Marty, what does she really think people are saying when they are making huge jokes and laughing in her face??? Or does she have comprehension skills equal to those of her speaking skills. I think I would be hiding in a very dark closet if I had been ridiculed like that. I don’t understand why she doesn’t get it, people are not laughing “with her” but “at her” . . . .

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com (11:50:54) :

Loved the card-playing analogy, and your words of wisdom…maybe no more Palin-mares for me tonight.

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Grammy in PA (11:53:46) :

I don’t think SP has to get it, as she still numerous groupies willing to stroke her ego-

17 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Speaking of Andrew Sullivan, and all things Palin, there’s a thread at the forum discussing the idea of trying to get him to do some sort of chat over here at mudflats:

http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,3717.msg32192/topicseen.html#new

The more emails he gets about it, the more likely he is to take notice. We know he digs AKM’s blog since he’s linked to it several times!

If you’d like to see this happen, please email him with the subject line “Mudflats Forum” and ask him to consider having an online chat with us about Palin!

andrew AT theatlantic DOT com

17 11 2008
SMR

Can you get over this article???????????????? Thanks to whomever linked it over on the forum!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/169192

Wrote to Newsweek immediately! Here’s my letter:

To Whom It May Concern, I have decided, after reading the “Is Obama The Anti-Christ?” piece by Lisa Miller, that I will never again purchase a Newsweek magazine. That article is not only offensive, but its content promotes the racism, bigotry & ignorance that fuel the fires of hatred being stoked by small-minded, and even dangerous, people throughout this country and the world. I am appalled that you printed this, giving paranoid haters a platform and jumping-off point to justify any attacks on our President Elect Obama. I can only hope that Obama continues to be safe, clearly in spite of your efforts. What a disappointment to this Republican.

17 11 2008
Quince Squib Underpinnings

GOP = Gratuitously Oleaginous Politicians?

17 11 2008
halcrow

@ Grammy in PA

She’s obviously not playing with a full deck.

Anyone who throws themself into the political arena with a video of being blessed by someone as flaky as Pastor Thomas Muthee lurking in the weeds is totally out of touch with reality.

Toss in Troopergate; Wassilagate; per-diemgate; housegate and tax-returngate…this woman is toxic with a capital T.

17 11 2008
Zhanje

There may be those among you who remember Dicik Cavett. He had a marvelous piece in the NYT:
http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla/?em

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

SMR (11:58:49) :

GASP!

And for those of us who can’t sign as this Republican, we can change it to this American or similar.

17 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Thanks Charcoal Sniper P, I’m in. I have no idea what I’m doing, but I’m in

17 11 2008
More Light than Heat

In an odd sort of way she may be the best thing that could happen to the GOP. She’s forcing them to address what they really stand for and what they want to become. I’m not sure they’re up to it, but she has brought into stark reality the fact that they’re composed of mutually incompatible factions. It’s the logical extension of Nixon’s Southern Strategy, should the social conservatives win the GOP civil war, the south will be about the only states where the GOP will prevail. Just look at who they’ve elected as the leadership of the RGA.

These folks, and the “brains” behind them, like Rush, William Kristol, Anne Coulter, and Faux News will continue to bleat their nonsense, but the smart Repubs will continue to pull away from them. They may emerge as a third party several election cycles down the line, but it will take that long for a new center-right party to be remotely viable.

I would hate to see there be no loyal opposition party. We need that to keep the “ins” honest. But I don’t see that a Rush-type GOP could possibly be considered a loyal opposition. For them, it’s all about ideology and power. They’ll look for every possible chink in P-E Obama’s armor, just like they did with Clinton.

17 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Grammy, she made a comment with either Lauer or Wolfie that she needs a thick skin to be in national politics. I agree, you can’t take it too personally if you want to play on the national stage. But the problems with her, compared to anyone else, is her blind ambition that’s not even close to being equal to her absolute zero qualifications.

She had since Sept to learn. Sept, Oct, most of Nov, and she’s not improved. Her talking skills are THE SAME as she was before being selected. That’s the key.

I’m sure Obama, on DAY ONE, wasn’t polished, probably not even real smart on many topics. The difference is in intelligence and intellect. Obama took his lapses in ability and learned. He talked to EVERYONE with an ounce knowledge on any topic he needed to learn, and absorbed it. He read voraciously. He’s always seen with a newspaper in his hands. He spends time online, learning more.

The sign of a truly smart person is to know he doesn’t know enough.

Barbie didn’t grasp this. She didn’t improve, she didn’t read, she went shopping for diapers, but did she pick up any of those newspapers she reads? She can’t speak intelligently on any topic, because she didn’t feel like learning anything. Just like the aides who said she was uninterested in doing mock Couric interviews, she wasn’t interested in advancing her knowledge.

In Barbies case, she’s the collapse of human intelligence. She couldn’t mention any newspapers, simply because she doesn’t read any. She doesn’t read books, god forbid. Too much time out there snowmachining with the first dud, and cooking in her all commercial applianced kitchen. She’s a manuquin. She can be posed in any position the handlers want her, but once they remove the supports, she falls on her face.

Even Mclost, who’s a vile excuse for a human being, has intelligence and intellect and can conduct a normal conversation about national political topics, but then, so can my 24 year old daughter..

Barbie’s done. Even if she tries, she won’t get far. Remember Bill Richardson and Fred Thompson? Both brilliant men.. Both gone really fast. How can an airhead compete if really smart men can’t. She can’t wink and wear short skirts.. It won’t work.. Call Ishmael. She’s a snack for Moby.

17 11 2008
A Brit Abroad

@ Halcrow – and others – on Palin’s unawareness:
“The introspection of the narcissist is emotionless, akin to an inventory of his ‘good’ and ‘bad’ sides and without any commitment to change. It does not enhance his ability to empathize, nor does it inhibit his ability to exploit others and discard then when their usefulnes is over. It does not temper his overpowering and raging sense of entitlement, nor does it deflate his grandiose fantasies.

The narcissists’s introspection is a futile and arid exercise at bookkeeping, a soulless bureaucracy of the psyche and, in its own way, even more chilling than the alternative: a narcissist unaware of his own disorder.”
Sam Vankin’s Malignant Self Love

17 11 2008
Charcoal Sniper P.

Hey this is just a reminder.

In live Chat at the forum in one hour (that is 5 pm eastern) I will be holding a question and answer session about how to use the forums, its features and functions.

To get to live chat click on join the conversation on the sidebar to get to the forum and then on the top right hand side in tiny writing click on the link to the chat (I recommend right clicking on it and opening it in another tab or window so you can try things out as we talk about them) or click here to go to chat: http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/action,chat.html (I don’t know if this link will work)

Hope to see you all there!

17 11 2008
Sparky

Yes, I think Palin is finished in the GLOP, oh, I mean GOP…perhaps she is best suited for some glop.

All I know is Mudpuppies probably haven’t done her any favors…lol.

I feel really really bad about that😉

17 11 2008
halcrow

@ SMR (11:58:49) :

The wingnut at RaptureReady is only taken seriously by those of similar bent.

I believe that Newsweek did a great service in running that article. Those who aren’t of the RaptureReady bent will now be exposed to their nuttiness, and will likely guffaw greatly and mention to their friends how crazy these folks and their followers are.

The religious right hate humour and ridicule. Tucked away behind their church walls, their stupidities don’t often get dragged out to provide amusement for the unblessed masses. Laugh at ’em and their young followers will vanish (get rid off the nits and the lice will die off).

I’d recommend clicking the “more about the author” box on the newsweek article…she writes humorous and biting satire.

17 11 2008
BigPete

The bible belters account for 30% of the vote, and they’re not too picky as long as you (Sarah) are one of them. The old school, Money-GOPers don’t bring more than 10% to the table, and the neocons hardly bring any votes at all.

So, in a little ‘omage’ to Rove….let’s not forget the MATH.

17 11 2008
SMR

@Halcrow —

I expected satire. That’s not what I got out of it. Not a thing in there repudiating the Anti-Christ issue.

There is not a single thing in that that will discourage those on the Anti-Christ bandwagon, quite the contrary in my opinion.

17 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

SMR, I don’t think the Newsweek article was really that bad. It was a reflection of the religious zealots who’ll use anything to justify their positions.

I saw some bizarre paper that showed how a pile of numbers showed how Obama is due to be killed in the same vein as JFK and Abe Lincoln.

Hatred manifests itself in many forms, and it’s just the sign of smart people to be able to see crap for the crap it is and move on.

17 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

a nice heartwarming sight..

Teddy walking with a cane, but it’s just nice to see him in public and walking the halls of the Capitol where he’s supposed to be..

Go Teddy.. We know you’re tougher than cancer..!

17 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

SMR, definitely not satire.. But news. I think it was a report on the subject, just like all the Jonestown stories coming out weren’t a call to start a new cult.

I’ll re-read it after dinner to see if i get a different spin..

17 11 2008
Sarah of Arizona

Quince Squib Underpinning,

I just read the Newsweek article. How truly revolting. Lisa Miller needs a lesson in humanity. Unbelievable. I just sent them a letter too.

17 11 2008
SoCal Bob

It’s a really sorry day in Repville when they placing the future of their party in the hands of Palin. With polls showing 60% of the people are of the opinion she isn’t qualified to be VP,how do they expect to present her as a viable candidate for Pres? If she is the zenith of their party…..wait, do I hear “Taps” being played in the distance?

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

I know two women in Anchorage who are interrupters, one English to French and German, and one who signs for the deaf. They both tell me it’s almost impossible to translate Sarah’s utterances into something understandable.
Comment by Anonymous in Chugiak – November 17, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Talk to Chief Shikago- he is an expert translator of Palinese, I think it’s his second language (LOL).

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

halcrow (12:15:40) :

I agree about the author, but you know there will be wingnuts/friends of wingnuts/just nuts who will read it and believe it is true. Sheesh.

17 11 2008
Regi

I’m sure this has been posted, she’s getting a 7-11 million dollar book deal ! I’m wondering if Mudflats will have their own book available as a sort of Palin literature antidote?

17 11 2008
Nisperos

the Norwegian Blue (11:40:56) :

I know two women in Anchorage who are interrupters, one English to French and German, and one who signs for the deaf. They both tell me it’s almost impossible to translate Sarah’s utterances into something understandable.

Comment by Anonymous in Chugiak – November 17, 2008 at 2:51 pm

That is hysterical!

17 11 2008
SMR

@Marty —

I received a crazy as hell email about Obama being the Anti-Christ from a Southern Baptist acquaintance. I’ve elected not to talk to her ever again, given that I also received a crazy Obama is Hitler email from her. This Anti-Christ business is being promoted by plenty of religions, NOT just the Rapture wingnuts!

It’s easy to say that this article is about those crazy Rapture people and everyone else won’t pay any attention to it, but I know that that is not true. If I’d read it on Sean Hannity’s site or Rush L’s site or Townhall or something like that I’d completely disregard it. However, that Newsweek has that piece blows my mind! Imagine the joy at the nutjob sites over their concerns about Obama being the Anti-Christ being taken seriously enough by Newsweek to have printed this article!

“The Anti-Christ” is quite a bit scarier than the Obama is a Muslim stuff and the socialist tag and other miscellany that was floating around. If you’re a religious nut job and enough people that you feel are credible tell you that A-C stuff well, what are you going to do? This is a scary time & we already know that Obama is in a perilous position — that article was irresponsible, period.

17 11 2008
Martha Davidson Vancouver B.C. Canada

The GOP as we know are done. There are not enough numbers in their “base” for them to ever win another election. Their base is what prevented them from having a hope in hades this time.

They have had this “southern strategy” as they call it. All that means is the creepy old wealthy men in the GOP ( think Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, then multiply by 100), controlling the uneducated poor, and religious wing-nuts (think Pastor Hagee, his ilk, included in creepy old white guys, then think about the congregations under their control. All these religious leaders are very wealthy too, so part and parcel of creepy old white guys)

They control their masses with hate and fear, easily done with religion and ignorance.

That is why Colin Powell, Susan Eisenhower, Buckley Jr. and any person with an education or intellect, not on the receiving end of big payouts, have jumped ship.

Their glory days and gravy train are OVER. The hoods are off and their emperor wears no clothes. They are completely exposed now.

It is thanks to Mudflats, Huffington Post, Daily Kos etc., ( you know, all of us just sitting around in our pajamas, as “the” Palin likes to say) for giving all of us an opportunity to enlighten ourselves and communicate in an unprecedented way.

It is not just the physical makeup of the landscape that has changed, it is the access to information and communication. As a child of the 60s’, I have NEVER witnessed such “power to the people”.

Politics will never be the same.

That is how America is fortunate enough to have an educated, thoughtful, intellectual, president elect, Barack Obama.

That is why there will never be a president, vice president, senator, or another governor, Sarah Palin.

Amen!
Praise God and pass the ammunition!
Another 60s’ expression I could not resist🙂

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

halcrow (12:15:40) :
@ SMR (11:58:49) :

The wingnut at RaptureReady is only taken seriously by those of similar bent.

I agree about the author, as I’ve read other pieces by Miller. However, the wingnuts, friends of wingnuts, and just plain nuts will read this and believe it as gospel truth.

I would have liked to see a companion piece by other religious pundits who believe otherwise-

(I think my first post got trolled- oops, sorry, AKM)

17 11 2008
Misfit

I really think the GOPs need to close their eyes when they listen to her speak. THEN they may actually realize she is saying NOTHING.

17 11 2008
Sparky

Charcoal Sniper P. (12:10:57)

Hey Charcoal!

Well as luck would have it, I’m getting a spanking new super duper fast graphics computer for my work. That’s the great news…the not so great news is that our IT guy wants to change out my ‘puter in the next hour or so, and I think I’m guaranteed to miss your inservice on the forum.

Will there be any “notes” for those of us unable to attend live? ugh…if not, I’m still game to venture forth, but will stumble for a while.

17 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Martha Davidson Vancouver B.C. Canada (12:37:41) :

Great analysis- but I think you have to add SP to the “creepy old wealthy men” club, as she tried to use fear, hate, lies, and innuendo to smear Obama.

Although the GOPers lost, they did succeed in ramping up the fear and hate in our country. I wish we could hold them accountable-

17 11 2008
Deuce2 AL "Renegade"

If Palin happens to run for a political office in the future, which
of course she will, I agree with AKM that she will be an asset for
the Democratic Party. I do hope Begich wins so she will not try for
a Senate seat. Could be wrong, was once before, but I think
the voters in AK have had about enough of SP also.
————————–
A Fan From Chicago (11:43:26) :
————————
With regard to your comment about the End of Days, I wanted to
interject this bit of humor and wisdom.
If the world is going to end, fine. I just hope it ends before I have to get up for work on a bleak, cold, icy, nasty Monday morning. Then I am fine with that. So you are not going to scare me. I was in The Chosin Reservoir in Korea, surrounded by Chinese attacking us at night in 30 degree below zero temps and we ate food that was frozen solid and we had dysentery and diarrhea. We had only ice we had to melt for water. We marched for 70 miles and had frostbite. So the world ending, piece of cake, bring it on fruitcakes.
Sarah, be afraid, be very, very, afraid.

17 11 2008
NMJ

Frank Rich’s column was titled, “The Moose Stops Here.” Following the article were comments, and here is the link to the 15 entertaining Editors’ Selections comments:

The Moose Stops Here – Readers’ Comments (Editors’ Selections)
http://community.nytimes.com/article/comments/2008/11/16/opinion/16rich.html?s=4

17 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

SMR news is news is news. If it’s reported fairly and accurately, even if you find the content distasteful, it’s really a responsibility by Newsweek to report a fair story. I didn’t like the article, although i’ll admit to a quick read as I had two hungry pups staring and drooling at me.

But from what i got, was lisa miller was reporting from that rapturegate site or whatever it’s called, was up to. I didn’t get the impression that she was supportive of their lunacy, but maybe i missed something. I’ll read it again.. !

17 11 2008
halcrow

Lisa Miller and Newsweek

Omitting her latest piece, four out of Lisa Miller’s most-recent five articles for Newsweek were read by me as satire, and that’s how I took her latest (her Post-Evangelical America is definitely not satire).

THE SILENT ISSUE
It’s abortion, stupid. For conservative Christians in this election the most important religious issue isn’t gay marriage, stem-cell research or Christmas trees on courthouse lawns. It is abortion (as it has been for at least the past 35 years, since the Supreme Court ruled on Roe v. Wade). When they walk into the voting booth on Tuesday, can they look beyond their fundamental, conscience-driven opposition to abortion as a moral evil? Do they want to? If yes, they may vote for Sen. Barack Obama. If not, they will, despite any reservations, vote for Sen. John McCain.
November 03, 2008 | Politics: Campaign 2008 | By Lisa Miller

A POST-EVANGELICAL AMERICA
Just as “race” has a whole new meaning in America this week, so, too, does “faith.” For at least four decades, white evangelicals have been the religion-and-politics story in this country. Their power, their rhetoric, their numbers, their theology—all have been so dominant that many of us in the media had forgotten that religious faith could be expressed any other way. Last summer, a colleague and I wrote a profile of president-elect Barack Obama that described his Christian faith—a journey that started with a deeply spiritual but not religous upbringing, progressed through a considerable amount of reading, searching and ambivalence, and culminated in an emotional homecoming in a socially active, black church in Chicago.
November 06, 2008 | BeliefWatch: Lisa Miller | By Lisa Miller

JESUS AND WITCHES
The video clip is from 2005, and Sarah Palin, who is running for governor, stands on the dais of a small church; three pastors surround her in a huddle. They are touching her shoulders, her forehead, her back. The would-be governor is stone still, eyes cast down, palms up toward heaven. The man on her left, the one touching her forehead, bends occasionally to whisper in her ear.
October 28, 2008 | Politics: Campaign 2008 | By Lisa Miller and Andrew Murr

CLICK IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME
With a scrap of bagel and a sip of Crystal Light, Beth McDonald gave communion to her husband. Then, after a blessing, he gave communion to her. Music played as the celebrant intoned the ancient words, “Do this in remembrance of me.” The experience was among the most spiritually powerful of her life. “I had my eyes closed,” McDonald told me. “We were praying … I got really choked up.”
October 25, 2008 | BeliefWatch: Lisa Miller | By Lisa Miller

FORGIVE ME, PEPSI, FOR I HAVE SINNED
Why do you choose Coke over Pepsi, Corona over Bud, Crest over Colgate? You don’t think much about these choices, you say; your gut decides. Marketing guru Martin Lindstrom says otherwise. Your preference for Macs over PCs is embedded in your brain circuitry. In “Buyology,” he shares the results of a three-year, $7 million study, in which he submitted 2,000 people to fMRI scans to explore what, exactly, happens in your brain to make you stand in line all night for an iPhone
October 18, 2008 | Periscope | By Lisa Miller

17 11 2008
clark

the republicans are using “GOP” as a blind lately. in the washington state governor’s race, republican dino rossi used “GOP” exclusively — none of the flyers, signs, ads ever identify him as a republican. it even said “Dino Rossi, GOP” on the ballot!
democrats here used to do that — leave off any mention of the democratic party.
i guess nobody outside of a fat farm wants to be associated with losers.

17 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

I had a thought.. Can we suggest to the Wasilla Library a book that should truly be banned? I know it’s pro-active, but i think we should contact them well in advance.

And to imagine all those poor trees who never hurt anyone being printed with Palinisms. The shame..

Ohoh.. News ??? hmmmm

17 11 2008
Sparky

CO Almost Native (12:46:15) :
Martha Davidson Vancouver B.C. Canada (12:37:41) :
SMR (11:58:49) :

Quick before my old computer goes away…Whether the Newsweek article was bad or not so bad, I give SMR a shout out for writing to them. I now make it a point to respond to negative or fear-mongering articles (under the guise of sharing information..poo) and I hope somewhat intelligently or maturely, tell them why the article is inappropriate or set their record straight. I’ve never responded to these things before, just let it go, but not anymore. I think we have, as a larger group, a lot of power to change the tone of our country to something progressive, positive, or at the very least, less fearful/angry.

Hope that made some sense…in a hurry…bottom line, if I/we don’t do something, who will?

Gotta go…:-)

17 11 2008
halcrow

Marty VA

Please read the latest five articles by Lisa Miller for Newsweek. Four of them I took as satire and one, A POST-EVANGELICAL AMERICA, mentions an article about Obama’s faith which took the Reverand Wright stories to task.

17 11 2008
ocliberal

Newt lost me at ‘wonderfully intelligent’. Sorry but I’ve yet to see anything wonderful or intelligent about Ms. Palin yet.

And why pray-tell is Obama the anti-christ? If we are going to be ridiculous about stuff can’t we just say he’s the second coming? Seriously if anyone is the anti-christ I think Palin fits the bill better than Obama.

Ah those fundies – now they are trying to claim Obama for themselves. Why do they always have to make it about THEM and their religion? They just don’t ever give it a rest, do they?

The irony of all this to me is that Obama is about as far from the ‘anti-christ’ as anyone could be. He seems like a really normal guy blessed with terrific intelligence, decent manners, strong morals, a loving family and great communication skills. Heck I’d even go so far as to call him ‘wonderfully intelligent!’.

But seriously, if Obama’s an “anti-christ” what does a pro-christ look like?

17 11 2008
Charcoal Sniper P.

The chat is starting now it is scheduled to go for an hour and a half. I will post something on what is asked in the forum for those of you who cant be there.

I hope some of you will join the conversation.

17 11 2008
BigPete

clark (12:54:08) :

Avoiding the word Republican is not a bad idea…but it is not new
Kentucky Fried Chicken changed to KFC so as to avoid using the worg FRIED.
Similarly IHOP was an effort to run away from the image, that ihop only served pancakes.

17 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

Deep Blue in VA (11:56:08) :

Speaking of Andrew Sullivan, and all things Palin, there’s a thread at the forum discussing the idea of trying to get him to do some sort of chat over here at mudflats:

http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,3717.msg32192/topicseen.html#new

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Can we get Rachel Maddow over here too?

17 11 2008
Goalie in NM

Right now she’s just a festering pimple on the face of the GOP. I think there will be more little tidbits revealed regarding Ms. Palin and that they won’t want to be putting her image out there for the public “face” of the Repugs.

I don’t think she will go quietly though and will be insinuating herself into the middle of the national spotlight as much as is humanly possible for her to do.

Nauseating, eh?

17 11 2008
SMR

Re: The Newsweek Article —

I’m with CO Native about wanting an article to counteract that one. I looked around on their site — thought maybe they had two-sided reporting of the issue going on from 2 different journalists — but nothing. I went through her other pieces, pretty much exclusively religious stuff. I didn’t see anything about the A-C story or any of her others that would lead anyone to question her as a serious reporter re: religious issues. So, again, I guess that main concern about this is that it gives the A-C issue credibility that it doesn’t deserve. If you’re going to report on it then report also on the fact that it is something going around in emails sent out by many “christians” — not just the rapture types. And then go on to discuss the possibility that promoting that idea is VERY dangerous.

There are people out there who take this stuff very seriously, and they will take heart in the fact that Newsweek has reported on it without repudiating it.

And I suppose that I should put in a comment here so that I am not completely off topic by saying that I am still waiting for Bible Spice to apologize for all of the sh!tty things she said while on the campaign trail. And until that happens I do not listen to or watch or read anything that she says!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it comes out of her mouth it is guaranteed to be lies!

17 11 2008
clark

pete, i’m not sure if i find those examples relevant. they changed the name to an acronym based on the original name. “grand old party” is a nickname, isn’t it?

17 11 2008
NMJ

Lisa Miller is the Society and Religion Editor at Newsweek. She wrote the brief article as an impartial observer reporting for those who had never heard of this particular belief. If it had been her own belief, she certainly wouldn’t have written:

Before Christ comes again, those who are saved will ascend to heaven, according to this end-times theology, in a huge, upward whoosh called the Rapture.

17 11 2008
womanwithsardinecan

I would just like to take this opportunity to ask (and it serves as a “shout out” to Juneau folks as well), “Where is Sarah?”

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

I didn’t check the ADN but did she get back to Alaska yet? Was there a party and lots of press, what’s the deal, seems like it’s been a quiet Sarah Palin news day. I love it!!

17 11 2008
libbs

“This is a scary time & we already know that Obama is in a perilous position — that article was irresponsible, period.” SMR

I agree…it is very scary and I have to say that I had solid evidence that it isn’t just the wingnuts caught in this belief system. I went to lunch with a couple of women from my fairly conservative but open (my own perception, of course…now I wonder) church today. The comments made about our President Elect were unkind to say the least and I was speechless. One woman actually has a son who works in the Secret Service and she actually said that she hoped “he would duck” if ever between a gun and Obama. They went on and on about how “all of the prophesies have come true” so we were “definitely in the end times”. I was completely caught off guard and so sad that I was duped into thinking that these women were loving Christians. There was nothing loving about that conversation.

I’ll be praying for President Obama’s protection…and finding new friends.

17 11 2008
SMR

@Marty —

Will we be requesting the removal of a fiction or non-fiction book? Bound to be one of those fictional biography books. Hope it goes straight to discount table.

17 11 2008
womanwithsardinecan

Seems like time for her to get back to work and maybe spend some quality time with her special needs kid.

17 11 2008
Grammy in PA

libbs (13:22:42) :

I went to a party the other night and a woman there, who I usually like, started spouting about how we should all spend our money now so Obama can’t give it to the blacks. I walked away. Thankfully we were all standing around so I wasn’t trapped like you were. I hope the woman’s son takes his job more seriously – it’s a shame he was raised like that, though.

17 11 2008
Nisperos

@Martha Davidson Vancouver B.C. Canada (12:37:41) :

Praise God and pass the ammunition!
Another 60s’ expression I could not resist

Actually it’s “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition”

Although you may have heard it in the 60’s, it actually comes from WWII. Frank Loesser made a song out of it in 1942: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise_the_Lord_and_Pass_the_Ammunition

It’s satirical use started later…

17 11 2008
SMG - MN

Interesting…from today’s WSJ:

Why Palin in 2012 Needs Sen. Stevens to Win

http://blogs.wsj.com/politicalperceptions/2008/11/17/why-palin-in-2012-needs-sen-stevens-to-win/

17 11 2008
SMR

@libbs —

Sorry for you that you had to have a lunch like that! Sort of like the emails I got the day after the election from people I considered good Christians… and yet, so much hate in their hearts. They are off my island now. I’m happier without them, try to maintain a little island of tranquility, life is so fraught as it is without adding to it by thinking such horrible things. Ugh. Good for you deciding to live in love and peace and look for other friends. As a close friend & I say often to each other — you’ve got to be particular.

Anyway, enough thinking about that article now, I’ve written my letter, expressed my opionion to them and to others here, and it’s out of my mind until the next article I come across that I feel gives credence &/or a platform to haters…

Thank God for Mudflats (maintaing my sanity one post at a time) and the prayers of good people throughout the world in support of & for the protection of Obama & his family.

17 11 2008
halcrow

@ libbs (13:22:42) :

My wife quilts and attends quite a few quilting shows in the United States and abroad. She attended one in Houston some time in the last year, and she and the friend who went with her were amazed at the number of attendees (very friendly, well-spoken and welcoming people) who interjected their religion into their everyday conversations.

These people were not trying to convert her or her friend; they just sprinkled their sentences with constant reference to their God looking after them and helping them get through life on a regular basis.

For the last couple of years she regularly travels to New Zealand for a couple of months during their summer (our winter), and attends quilting shows there (and in Australia), and has travelled a couple of times to the UK for shows, but she has never run into that sort of outspoken religious consciousness anywhere but in the USA.

17 11 2008
SMR

@Grammy —

We are all encouraged to continue to use this thread on topic. It’s people like me who go off topic who are the culprits! You can all stone me for introducing the Newsweek article to this thread.

There are ways to make it easier. You can alter your profile to get rid of the avatars, to make the most recent comments at the top of the thread, and to stay in the thread after posting (as opposed to being kicked out to the general thread after posting, which is the default). There are several options that make it more bearable, and I’ve clicked on them, yet here I am. Going rogue!

17 11 2008
SMR

In case you missed it above, here’s the link to a great cartoon (political) that sums up a lot of this discussion about Palin and how we all feel about her:

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/luckovich/

It will make you feel better!

17 11 2008
Martha Davidson Vancouver B.C. Canada

Nisperos (13:31:49) :

@Martha Davidson Vancouver B.C. Canada (12:37:41) :

Praise God and pass the ammunition!
Another 60s’ expression I could not resist

Actually it’s “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition”

Although you may have heard it in the 60’s, it actually comes from WWII. Frank Loesser made a song out of it in 1942: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise_the_Lord_and_Pass_the_Ammunition

It’s satirical use started later…

Well, you just proved my point…..lol;

It is thanks to Mudflats, Huffington Post, Daily Kos etc., ( you know, all of us just sitting around in our pajamas, as “the” Palin likes to say) for giving all of us an opportunity to enlighten ourselves and communicate in an unprecedented way.

17 11 2008
Martha Davidson Vancouver B.C. Canada

Nisperos , This is just for you. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition, made into a short movie. I rather like it myself, although the comments it drew on u-tube, were from believers of those creepy old white men. Nothing like self righteous haters.

17 11 2008
More Light than Heat

@SMR
I don’t think your Newsweek post was OT. Part of what the GOP is having to decide is whether the religious right will be in control of the party. And satirical or not ( successfully so or not), the article exposes some of the more extreme religious views espoused by the faction within the GOP that’s trying to gain control. We saw how the ideological conservatives hounded the Clintons. They will do the same with Obama, but this time it will be with the sorts of charges the article identifies. The big difference is in the effect those charges will have among a certain group of Americans. From the comments on the Newsweek site, it seems that Ms. Miller’s satire fell far short this time. I suspect one reason was the potential for harm resulting from further inciting that wing of the party.

17 11 2008
UK Lady

I am trying to understand how the religious far right, who are so enraptured of SP, are going to have so much influence in the future with the GPO.

Surely with a Democratic government in control they will rein in the tax free status of the religious loons who spout politics from the pulpit?

This would surely close down a lot of the worst offenders.

Forgive me if I am talking rubbish, am almost too scared to post now.

17 11 2008
UK Lady

Gah! GOP.

17 11 2008
CA-topcat

All this media hype has nothing to do with her being the 2012 candidate. It has everything to do with her being pimped again (just like McCain pimped her to America), she is now being pimped to the media so they can sell her ignorant-fluff-filled-tome-to-to be, which will obviously be ghost written for her while she cooks more moose pie…Soapbox Sarah, the saga continues…

17 11 2008
sheesh

Newt and a few others have been quite judicious in choosing their words to express the reality that Palin is not a force for the GOP and likely will not be in the future. There are too many other folks in the wings who have paid the party’s dues or who have a far brighter careers (and are far brighter!). Newt and some of the other party faithful really do seem embarrassed by her and the more she talks and tries to grab that spotlight the more we’ll see people like Newt gently but firmly put her in her place.

17 11 2008
Marnie

Why does she not realize that virtually every person in the world, who paid any attention to the recent US election, knows that the Palin’s association with an anti-American terrorist group is far closer and far more recent, as in now, than Obama’s association with Ayers?

Every time she brings up Ayers she reminds us the the Repcons chose as their VP candidate, a person closely associated with a virulently anti-American organization.

Of course it won’t hurt, if independent news sources put her in that picture occasionally, if she insists on keeping herself in the national political picture.

17 11 2008
Marnie

CO Almost Native (11:23:28) :
I think Slinky Palin is cramming in as many talk shows as possible before the new Alaska legislative session

I think it is likely that the Alaskan reception of Sarah is going to be as chilly as the Repug Governor’s, if not more so.

She has embarrassed many Alaskans.
She has brought McCain’s lawyers to interfere in a local issue, and in doing so has probably done considerable harm to a cooperative spirit from Alaskan Democrats. Republicans may still dominate the Alaskan government but the 1000 year Republican Reich just fell, and fell hard. So Republican’s sense of entitlement may by a bit suppressed these days.
Sarah is running around the country shooting off her mouth, (probably raking in the dough), meanwhile Alaska’s economy, like the rest of the world’s is suffering and Sarah Palin, the leader of the state, is off serving herself, showing off her monumental stupidity, and not doing her job.

17 11 2008
PepperzMom - GA

AKM???

Can you take a look at this, and give your take on the Troopergate issue? Seems to me that this is not yet a dead issue…

Seems to me, this article has a lot of “meat” to it, but apparently, nothing’s being followed up on, perhaps in light of the Legislature’s role come January 2009…

http://community.adn.com/node/134330

Above deals w/ a rebuttal by Monegan’s attorney…

Thanks, AKM. You should be cross posted over to HuffPost more often…

17 11 2008
Lynn-in-Australia

If you pronounce it ‘gopers’ and not ‘goppers’, and change the second p to an h then you would have the actual, updated and more accurate GOP definition: ‘gophers’.

Well, it made me giggle🙂

17 11 2008
Lee323

AKM….Ausgezeichnet!….for taking back the Flats! Really enjoyed the post and comments today. Thanks.

17 11 2008
Marnie

LibertyLover (11:39:40) :
So what happens if Sarah loses her reelection bid for Governor? Or will she stab Lisa Murkowski in the back and run against her?

Granting that in the real world I do not want Palin anywhere near our national government –

I can just imagine her blathering on in a closed door Repub session. And having a room full of Republicans screaming at her to shut up already. Probably about every 5 minutes or so.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone who is as blindly egocentric as Sarah Palin is. That characteristic alone makes her totally unsuited for public service.

She comes off as though she were a teenage starlet on drugs who just gained fame. She’s a middle aged woman with the social maturity of a 17 year old.

And like Bush she has no capacity for empathy. She will always abuse whatever power she has.

17 11 2008
SC Sista M Cluckhead

Of course Newt is pushing other “leaders” for the GOP; he plans to be one of them, next go ’round!

17 11 2008
Kate in Canada

Back this spring Sarah addressed the Republican governors and they learned soon after that she had (ostensibly) been oozing amniotic fluid- one of those female states that make men nervous, if not appalled.

This week the videos showed the governors eyeing Sarah sideways like a herd of wall-eyed horses about to spook. I wondered how many couldn’t resist horrified speculation on her capacity for unpredictable birthing even as she speaks.

17 11 2008
Marnie

Am reading the Cavett link. Dick has a great line, speaking bout Palin.

“I feel a little sorry for John. He aimed low and missed.”

Got to finish article.

17 11 2008
SMR

@Marnie “Sarah is running around the country shooting off her mouth, (probably raking in the dough), meanwhile Alaska’s economy, like the rest of the world’s is suffering and Sarah Palin, the leader of the state, is off serving herself, showing off her monumental stupidity, and not doing her job.”

Exactly why I don’t read/listen/watch anything she says!

Get your a$$ back here to Alaska and start doing your job! Lots of talk about the GOP, the campaign you sunk and talking smack about Obama, NO talk whatsoever about Alaska’s woes.

Loved the gloves-off bit from Andrew Sullivan about Alaska’s education crisis. Absolutely priceless. Here it is again for anyone who missed it:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/alaskas-educati.html

17 11 2008
SMR

@More Light —

Yes! You get it! Thank you!

17 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

Kate in Canada (16:05:33) :

“This week the videos showed the governors eyeing Sarah sideways like a herd of wall-eyed horses about to spook…
…her capacity for unpredictable birthing…”

My, you do have a way with word pictures, Kate!
Guffawing helplessly again at Gop Govs aghast….

…and Lynn-in-Australia:
Could a convention of Gopers be called a ‘Group Gope’ ?

17 11 2008
Marnie

SoCal Bob (12:28:41) :
It’s a really sorry day in Repville when they placing the future of their party in the hands of Palin. With polls showing 60% of the people are of the opinion she isn’t qualified to be VP,how do they expect to present her as a viable candidate for Pres?

Bush wasn’t qualified, in much the same way that Palin isn’t. The Repocons want a vapid easily lead “leader” so they can be cheated into office and feel no quilt and manipulated without noticing how they are being used.

Its a Faustian arrangement. Faust knew he had sold his soul and did it anyway. Bush, and his like, are so dumb they don’t realize what they have agreed to. They want the glory. They don’t look any deeper than their own gratification.
But the Devil always cheats and lies and always claims a soul in these bargains.

17 11 2008
SSBYC in FL

I finally checked out my baby Palin name…..it’s Revolver Trooper Palin. Perfect!

17 11 2008
Marnie

How would you like to be the fly on the wall in the interviews between Palin and her biographer? How much would they have to pay your to try to interview her for days on end?

Anybody want to bet – either it doesn’t get written, or it comes out as about a 100 page bio. written at about the highschool level?

Seriously. How can anybody interview her? And her life isn’t all that particularly interesting. Not 7 mill’s worth.

How’s she going to explain all the colleges? The rushing around with Trig after her water broke? Her not so admirable children? etc. Even granting that the topic of the book sticks to her run for VP, the publisher will look for the personal note. The “How I overcame ______.” Fill in the hardship and suffering.
Has Palin had hardship and suffering?

17 11 2008
Irish in FL

I was duped into thinking that these women were loving Christians. There was nothing loving about that conversation.

I’ll be praying for President Obama’s protection…and finding new friends.
______________________

Unfortuneately .. if the GOP adopts slinky Sarah’s beliefs…..these people are exactly what she will attract…………sad for the GOP…for the rest of us it can’t hurt!!!!! Because we will never believe that ‘riligulous” stuff…………

17 11 2008
Vlad the ImPalin

I cannot for the life of me understand the minds, assuming that they indeed have minds, of the 45% of Americans who want to see her have a political future and it’s a downright embarrassment for the few intelligent people left in the GOP if it’s true that 75% want to ‘bring her on’.

It is worth the time to read Dick Cavett’s truly excellent article from yesterday. Time for people with brains to assert themselves and demand that education and noble goals replace the silly and superficial country that has been allowed to stullify all that is decent and intelligent. Until such time, the US will deteriorate into the laughingstock of the world.

Here’s Dick Cavett’s wonderful take on the “Wordsmith of Wasilla”

http://www.cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/

17 11 2008
RouletteRog

$500.00 for a single bra?!?!?! Her tits aren’t that big…. (I know how much you well-endowed women pay for your support…but I’m tempted to visit Fredrics or a Victoria Secret and ask for a $500.00 bra just to see what it’d look like.)

17 11 2008
Irish in FL

mudflats (18:46:00) :
sence….. ascared…….?huh?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

17 11 2008
Vlad the ImPalin

The above posts by “mudflats” illustrate my point precisely! lol

17 11 2008
Irish in FL

g’night mudflats………………I too may have to go on a 12 step……………oh well, the only constant is change………………………………

17 11 2008
Bob Ross/SC

… and now a BOOK deal? Write? She can’t even talk. What on earth is she going to write about (or have someone else write about for her), shooting polar bears from a chopper with an ASK-47??

GOOD GRIEF!!

17 11 2008
Mudman

A posting from the Daily Kos …. “GOP Leader Palin Distracted by Shiny Objects”

This is so Palin …

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/17/213757/45/560/662518

Smells Like Teen Salmon, indeed !

17 11 2008
SMR

I sincerely hope that all of those aides are rushing their books to print! I want all of the horror stories to come out before her book! Please please please!

17 11 2008
SMR

I put a link to the wrong cartoon at 13:43. Oh well!

Try this one for a good laugh!

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/opinion/luckovichnov08/

17 11 2008
jackie

them republicans…gotta love their …..their…..
never mind.

17 11 2008
Pacificnwgal

Why wouldn’t Sarah continue to want to stay in the spotlight? She is an extrovert and an egomaniac. Just look at what we have on Reality TV these days! Why should she be any different? And, boy, this woman has a tough hide! She can continue on with her “nonsense words” (yes, this had real relevance in linguistics) but it is a good thing that the majority of the American public did not buy it. It shows we are indeed getting somehwhere in this country….hopefully.

17 11 2008
Pacificnwgal

Regarding Palin’s book, I didn’t see who would be writing this diatribe. Sarah isn’t capable of speaking comprehensibly much less in writing. If she writes her own memoir, the publisher won’t be making too much of a profit. If she has to approve what someone else writes, it will most certainly be a watered down piece of fiction. I will stick to the blogs and news to get my info about her thank you very much.

18 11 2008
Geneva FreeSpeech

can’t help it…
“win it for the gopper!”
sorry

18 11 2008
mahabbahtedja

yeah…good!!!

18 11 2008
Ann's New Friend

Palin has really gotten under your skin. I have been wondering what we don’t know about her. The media has been scared to death of her, and your blog of course too produces this constant drum beat of vitriol.

Palin, not intelligent? I think your whole blog is just a bit over-determined. You must think her rather dangerously effective in exposing the emptiness of your party’s new Rookie in Chief.




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