Bedtime in Alaska – Night Kitchen – Open Thread

15 11 2008

Good night everyone.  I leave the virtual lodge in your capable hands. 

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15 11 2008
marksmyword

It’s supposed to snow this weekend in the Burgh. I hate snow…

15 11 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

Beautiful snow covered tree..

15 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

Glad I’m not first.

15 11 2008
Zim in Oz

G’d evening from Melbourne, Australia.

Whew…that pic makes me shiver. It looks cold…It does not snow in Melbourne, but does about 3 or 4 hours drive from here in the alps.

It is spring here, I spent most of the day gardening.

Anyone know where Sarah is, is she back from Florida yet ?

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Beautiful photo that makes me want to be there for the holidays…

And thank you, AKM, for honoring the Night Kitchen with a shout out! We feel honored!

15 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

Here’s Joe Lieberman’s number for voice mail.

+1-202-224-4041 (it works, I’ve left my message)

Call him and tell him why you think he should resign in 10 words or less.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Hey Zim!

Off to eat lunch, but just wanted to comment – she was probably run out of FLa by the Repugs waving big sticks (sorry BigSlick!)

15 11 2008
Zim in Oz

Bon appetite Jamie,
Maybe see you later or tomorrow.😆

15 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

@Zim in Oz (02:27:27) :

Anyone know where Sarah is, is she back from Florida yet ?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

She’s hanging out by the pool at her posh Floridian hotel after doing Republican gubernatorial stuff with other Republican gubernators.

http://bauergriffinonline.celebuzz.com/2008/11/sarah-palin-poolside-you-betch.php?bfm_index=5&bfm_page=0

My guess is she’s now cruising for the hotel’s pool boy.

15 11 2008
Okinawan Nanook

As I begin my second winter away from Alaska, this picture is a heart rending reminder of the beauty that is winter in Alaska–the hoarfrost-covered spruce and birch trees on bright, sunny mornings; the Chugach mountains bathed in alpen glow; ice skating on Westchester Lagoon, the magic of the Northern Lights dancing across the sky; an awe-inspiring sunrise viewed from the restaurant of the Talkeetna Lodge . . . ah the memories!

15 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

@Zim in Oz (02:27:27) :

Anyone know where Sarah is, is she back from Florida yet ?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

She’s hanging out by the pool at her posh Floridian hotel after doing Republican gubernatorial stuff with other Republican gubernators.

http://www.bauergriffinonline.celebuzz.com/2008/11/sarah-palin-poolside-you-betch.php?bfm_index=5&bfm_page=0

My guess is she’s now cruising for the hotel’s pool boy.

15 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

@Zim in Oz (02:27:27) :

Anyone know where Sarah is, is she back from Florida yet ?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

She’s hanging out by the pool at her posh Floridian hotel after doing Republican gubernatorial stuff with other Republican gubernators.

w-w-w.bauergriffinonline.celebuzz.com/2008/11/sarah-palin-poolside-you-betch.php?bfm_index=5&bfm_page=0

My guess is she’s now cruising for the hotel’s pool boy.

(sorry, you’ll have to cut and paste and fix the www to get there to see her)

15 11 2008
shoeho

Morning, Mudpups!

Got a busy day today. Hoping it will be a slow news day so I am not tempted by the teevee. I really am trying to cut back on my 23 hour a day viewing post election, but the remote seems stuck on MSNBC! Got to go caffinate. Great news about Begich–here’s hoping it stays that way!

15 11 2008
shoeho

Oh, and Sarah will probably be getting out of town soon, there is a cold front moving in. Of course, here that means a high of 70, so she may still want to stay–I wonder if we can get her evicted?

15 11 2008
MizKay

Thank you for the beautiful picture.
I’ve been reading when I can, but I’m so far behind-my MIL had a heart attack this past weekend, and I’ve been back and forth between FIL’s apt. and the hospital. She is quite elderly, so I’m not really sure how much recovery is possible.
(back to politics)
I can’t wait until the FINAL final count of ballots for all the races have been counted. I was looking at an Oct. 5 SC paper and realized that the point spread between McCain and Obama increased in the days following the election. I hope it keeps increasing. Especially in that AK Senate race!

15 11 2008
Dee

Gorgeous picture!!

15 11 2008
Frank LI,NY

Is that a wine mustache I see!
There goes my breakfast.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Awww! Poor Sarah is all alone. She looks bored out of her mind! I guess that’s why she is being so friendly to the pool boy. When none of the other Govs wanna chat…

15 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

Hi all – it’s sweet of you to be concerned about her. I’m sure Alaskans are relieved to know she is being so well taken care of at their expense.

Obviously she wants to be seen or she wouldn’t go out there. But why does she want to be seen looking like dreck?

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/14/america/letter.php

“Change to believe in: Obama’s clothes”

Just for fun.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Hey Aussie –

I was thinking exaclty the same thing! That’s her real style (sans stylist) showing through.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

And for all you Sarah fans : another great one by Ellen Goodman :

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/14/opinion/edgoodman.php

“Have you ever seen a transformation this fast? In barely two months, the Barracuda became the Scapegoat. Think of it as evolution on steroids.

In September, Sarah Palin, the little-known governor of Alaska, was hailed as the great female hope of the Republican Party. Double the maverick, double the fun. John McCain called her “the most marvelous running mate in the history of this nation.” Pro-life conservatives were “ecstatic” and she was a “hottie” to boot.”

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Try again :

Here’s another one for all of you Sarah fans by my fave Ellen Goodman :

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/14/opinion/edgoodman.php

“Have you ever seen a transformation this fast? In barely two months, the Barracuda became the Scapegoat. Think of it as evolution on steroids.

In September, Sarah Palin, the little-known governor of Alaska, was hailed as the great female hope of the Republican Party. Double the maverick, double the fun. John McCain called her “the most marvelous running mate in the history of this nation.” Pro-life conservatives were “ecstatic” and she was a “hottie” to boot.”

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Damn! Spammed!

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Here’s another one for all of you Sarah fans by my fave Ellen Goodman:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/14/opinion/edgoodman.php

“Have you ever seen a transformation this fast? In barely two months, the Barracuda became the Scapegoat. Think of it as evolution on steroids.

In September, Sarah Palin, the little-known governor of Alaska, was hailed as the great female hope of the Republican Party. Double the maverick, double the fun. John McCain called her “the most marvelous running mate in the history of this nation.” Pro-life conservatives were “ecstatic” and she was a “hottie” to boot.”

15 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

Jamie, Floridian in France (03:10:50) :

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/14/america/letter.php
“Change to believe in: Obama’s clothes”
———————————————————-
That was enjoyable, Jamie.

It would also be nice if President Obama could persuade David Letterman to stop with the white socks. It’s a terrible look. It’s not unique or quirky, it’s just nass-ty.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I have been trying and trying to post this link to a great Ellen Goodman editorial about who else? Sarah….keeps gettin’ dumped..

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/14/opinion/edgoodman.php

“Have you ever seen a transformation this fast? In barely two months, the Barracuda became the Scapegoat. Think of it as evolution on steroids.…………”

15 11 2008
Zim in Oz

She’s posing in those pics. (I am surprised we cannot see her shedding a tear or wiping her eye with a Kleenex)😥

This is it for her, the end of her journey.
As a potential VP on the losing team she always had the Repug Gov’s get together in Miami to look forward to….and now that too is over.

Time to pack the bags and head back home…to Alaska, a potentially disasterous budget, Todd, the kids, a pregnant daughter and Begich.

Housegate, troopergate, babygate and ?othergates.

No more adoring racist crowds, podiums, secret service agents, photographers, reporters, limosines, big fancy buses, room service, hotel toileteries and swanky new clothes.

No more hob knobbing with the rich, the famous (Schwarzenegger, Tina Fey, Baldwin)

No more SNL, MSNBC, CNN, Fox (OK maybe stalker Gretel Von Suspect and the odd love letter from Sean Hannity)

It is over. All that is left are the deflated balloons and the litter.

Reality sucks, not much to look forward to !

15 11 2008
katek formerly cd

Morning all:
Beautiful snow pic. The one by the pool is too funny. She really is an attention seeker.

15 11 2008
Lynn-in-Australia

oooo snow! I think I miss snow most of all- thanks for the pretty pic ;0

The clip of Sarah by the pool(boy) is posted on the blog ‘Progressive Alaska’.

Well she always has her beautiful home and good-looking husband to come home to. Not such a bad life by any standards. But somehow I’m thinking her mood is not going to be the greatest to be around in the next few months. ( Sorry Wasillans!)

Letterman’s been wearing white socks since high school so there’s probably no getting him to change now. ou could email him tho – rofl – that would be a fun letter to hear him read aloud on his show.

His show. Omg when Sarah’s done all I’ll have left is… Lettermans show!

15 11 2008
austintx

Receipt please !!!………..how was the cruise ??………NOT!!

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Well, hand poor Sarah the bucket and mop and a big plastic sack so she can clean up after the party….

Yeah, what will Letterman and Stewart have to talk about now?

15 11 2008
Husky

Beautiful pic….but at this point I’d rather look at a picture than experience it.

I had a geeky “what a country” moment last night. I went over to the beach to watch the Space shuttle on its final night launch. There was a big crowd, an almost full moon, and it was visible for a full seven minutes. I admit to tearing up, thinking this country is pretty cool these days.

I don’t think most people are thinking too much about the space program right now, but I think it means more than we really realize sometimes.

15 11 2008
austintx

Well- just when ya think you have heard it all……Rosie O’Donnell wants to have a beer with Sarah……..I shit you not!! What are they gonna talk about…….gun control ??? Sarah likes moose……who knows…….I know….I’m insulting moose….but that was to easy……..its on huffpo now……someone please cut and paste…..this could be a fun one !!!

15 11 2008
Lynn-in-Australia

rofl austin -maybe Rosie wants to share lesbian stories with Sarah – you know, sort of like you shoe me your moose chilli and I’ll show you mine??

15 11 2008
Lynn-in-Australia

hahahaha sorry shoe that was an honest typo! honest!

15 11 2008
Epic

Anyone know how far along Bristol should be by now? Have there been sightings? Does she look the part?

The clock is surely running out.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@ Husky (04:18:58) :

Where do you live? I grew up in Satellite Beach. Dad worked at NASA since the beginning through the conception of the Shuttle.

15 11 2008
austintx

Rosie just wants to do her………their politics and beliefs are at the total opposite ends of the spectrum……..Rosie is one mean bitch……..remember when Tom Selleck went on her show to talk about a movie and she jumped his ass about being in the NRA ?? She has been shitcanned from every show she has been on…….she just wants to eat some moose pie……..

15 11 2008
Mollys Mum

@Epic (04:32:18) :

Yup, here’s Bristol, obviously preggers, waiting in the gas station store while her mother votes.

http://www.adn.com/photos/sarah-palin/story/578304.html?/1521/gallery/578298-a578390-t3.html

I still feel really sorry for her. She looks like a nice kid, she’s obviously a caring person (witness the photos of her and Trig at the RNC)–and hey, she must have got that from SOMEWHERE. 😕

I hope she and the hockey player find some happiness together.

15 11 2008
austintx

Looks like a very unhappy camper………

15 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Good Morning all of you in the Night Kitchen!

Well, first I’ve got to say that Palin does have some nice legs. I wish my legs looked like that but at 54 I figure with out serious surgery, there’s no way.

At least I don’t guzzle out of a champagne glass. I’m happy to say that is NOT one of my vices. Guzzling anything is so rude.

I think she’s waiting for an invitation to talk to Obama’s transition team, maybe even Pal around with Obama, you betcha.

I mean, Hilary has gone, McCain with his ever present sidekick Lindsey is going.

Did one of those small town things last night. . . saw my nephew in Up The Down Staircase in a high school play. It was delightful.

15 11 2008
Lynn-in-Australia

Molly’s mum – Bristol looks to be 6 or 7 months along (to me) in tht photo. Was a due date ever given to the public?

15 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Just saw the weather report. Western Mass is having three days of maybe snow. That means up here in the “Hilltowns” we’ll be getting some. Late this year.

Of course, last year we had storm after storm after storm. The four foot snow pack didn’t melt all the way until May. So maybe, I rather just look at the beautiful snow pictures from AKM this year!

15 11 2008
pamela

Well, it’s rainy and 40ish in western NY – I’d much rather have snow! Beautiful pic.

I have a sister who used to live in Jacksonville – went to a shuttle launch w/ her once. It was pretty awesome. The space program always reminds me of the Kennedy years. Each success was amazing and the entire country was awed. Now it’s more like ho-hum…

Who knows if it will survive given the awful economy, but I hope it does. I know there are zillions of needs back here on earth, but humans have always been explorers and knowledge-seekers (OK, maybe not those who think the world’s only a few thousand years old) and I’d hate to see that spirit dry up. Exploring space just seems like a good fit for a “yes we can” administration.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Now, you ladies, look at that photo of Bristol on Nov 4. If she was 5 months preggers at the RNC in Sug (what was the date?) that makes her now 8 months pregnant in that photo? Really? Looks like 6 to me….

15 11 2008
Blue in Tennessee

The delivery date for Bristol that I saw or heard in the news was late December. That means conception late March. Trig was born April 18? Not sure of that date. Of course, since this is Bristol’s “first”, she could run over a couple of weeks.

15 11 2008
turns

Good on ya Mark B!

Thats great that he is taking a little break with his family. Time to recharge his life spirit, and get ready for the senate. We have hi hope for him in Alaska.

Its kind of unreal when we Alaskans experance the lower 48 after many years in Alaska. I call it,”non-local time”. When I go out to sea for a long time, eather commercial fishing or sail travel, I experance non-local time as well. Maybe I’m just nearly normal.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Yes, thank you Lynn-in-Australia…the five months at the RNC in Aug was a hoax!

15 11 2008
womanwithsardinecan

I had pretty nice legs in my forties too. Ah, well, time marches on. 4-8 more years will tarnish the “hottie GILF” image and leave nothing but the twisted syntax. And her skeletons will come home to roost (oops, mixed metaphor).
Orwell would have very much enjoyed watching her, as she resembles some of his characters.

15 11 2008
Chief Shikago

Good Mornevenin Night Kitchen. @Husky I too watched Endeavour launch last night at the NASA website. I love when they scoot away from those solid rocket boosters. I was at NASA for the launch of sts-120 last Oct. I am sad to see the shuttle program ending.

15 11 2008
JP aka Coloradonative living in NC Hussein

Check out the search I just did on Google Trends for Mudflats vs political blogs:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=mudflats%2C+political+blogs

Washington, DC was #7 in the cities (Anchorage #1 — no surprise)

India (!) was #6 in regions

15 11 2008
sparkleball

Good morning all, funny article from dear old Dick Cavett in NYTIMES:

15 11 2008
sparkleball

<a href=”http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla/” title=”The Wild Wordsmith of Wasilla”

15 11 2008
sparkleball

Sorry, mudflatters. I was trying to practice the link in html and learn something new this morning, but alas, I didn’t.

Here’s the Dick Cavett piece on Palin’s syntax and grammar:

http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla

15 11 2008
austintx

Is Sarah still in Miami ?? If so- WHY?? Cesar Capone is based there AND Rosie has her primary residence there………just sayin’………..

15 11 2008
sparkleball

ooops.

my last post went to spamland. I apologize for trying to practice the WordPress html codes for the Cavett link. I was trying to learn something new and, alas, didn’t.

The Dick Cavett short piece on Palin’s grammar and syntax is here:

http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla

15 11 2008
Chief Shikago

AKM love the photo. I love winter until March, then not so much. Getting through the sub-zero days are always fun. It`s fun to think about you folks in Oz prepping gardens for spring. We too are looking at our 1st snow this weekend.

15 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

I hope space exploration lasts also. Here’s a pic of the shuttle going up

http://www.spaceweather.com

I just sent it to my kids.

womanwithsardinecan: I totally agree about the toll of the four to eight years. My mother mentioned surgery and I mentions Cindy McCain. Shivers. I think I’ll keep my going grey hair and my Rubenesque figure. Have no idea how to spell that.

15 11 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

Jamie, Floridian in France (03:17:16) :

Here’s another one for all of you Sarah fans by my fave Ellen Goodman:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/14/opinion/edgoodman.php

@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%

Jamie, I really liked the last paragraph best of all…

“Diva or not, Palin did change her corner of the landscape. Because of Palin, conservatives now speak of “sexism,” the religious right describes teen pregnancy as a “challenge,” and the culture warriors officially approve of working moms.
For all that, what the heck, let her keep the clothes.”

What a keen observation, of evolution in action!
I am cheered. Change happens, even in the atavistic Right.
And I’ll keep an eye out for more from Ellen Goodman.

15 11 2008
Blue in Tennessee

How do I get rid of my red quilt block? Is that my payback for living in Tennessee?

15 11 2008
sparkleball

Tennessee, go to http://www.wordpress.com (I think that’s it.) YOu have to register, and then when you do, go to your account or your profile. YOu can pick a new avatar in that section. Then when you come to mudflats, you automatically appear as your new wordpress self.

15 11 2008
sparkleball

ok, I’m trying again on Dick Cavatt in NYTIMES this morning. (I was trying to practice the html codes given by word press so I could be a smartypants, but alas, I didn’t get it.)

The Wordsmith (sarcastic ) of Wasilla by Dick Cavett

http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla

15 11 2008
Chief Shikago

Blue it`s fairly easy. Go to wordpress, your profile, edit profile, then upload a pic.

15 11 2008
Blue in Tennessee

Thanks sparkleball. I will stick with the nauseating RED quilt until I think of my fascinating new name.

15 11 2008
sparkleball

Can anyone who understand the html codes tell me what I did wrong above? I tried to post the dick cavett nytimes link. . .

15 11 2008
sparkleball

Blue in Tennessee, It will only let you register under a one word-name, but I know others have come here (to this blog) and re-signed in as a multiple word-name (within their same account). I’m not that slick.

15 11 2008
Cynthia, TX

The President Elect has put his radio address this week on you tube here is the link. Enjoy!

http://change.gov/

p.s. he is aging quickly

15 11 2008
Lynn-in-Australia

Newfoundland – thanks so much for the shuttle pic link it’s gorgeous!

I remember melting a bowl of snow in my microwave oven one year so I could wash my hair – the pipes had frozen and I had a job interview the next day – and this was the fourth of July.

I don’t miss that – but I do miss the abundance of water. Tomorrow is Sunday and I get to water my garden for a whole half hour with an actual hose instead of the bucket. Life in the tropics makes me miss the snow🙂

15 11 2008
MizKay

I don’t want to diss any belivers on here, but I thought it interesting that the Roman Catholic Diocese of S.C. has issued a response to Fr. Newman’s pastoral letter.
Priest’s letter on sinfulness of Obama voters officially repudiated

Here’s one version of the original story:
S.C. priest scolds Obama voters
and beliefnet’s first report:
Voted for Obama? No Eucharist for you!
and only because the original letter is not available anywhere else, it exists on the following Catholic blog: (the guy’s politics are questionable, I’m not promoting his blog)
Fr. Jay Scott Newman

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Barack Obama’s first Saturday morning YouTube address.
Economic Mess – Obama Transition
Nov. 15, 2008

This is great!!!

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Bloody spam filter… aarrrrggghhh

15 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Mornin Mudpuppies..

Found an interesting article.. Nothing really new, just an interesting take on Barbie.. it’s from oct 22 , so if it’s too old, don’t bother.. !

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/503

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Cynthia, TX (05:46:35) :

The President Elect has put his radio address this week on you tube here is the link. Enjoy!

http://change.gov/

p.s. he is aging quickly
———–
Thanks Cynthia, TX

I recommend everyone watch this address, pretty historic!
I think he is recovering from a grueling schedule, as well the weight of our nation, and many world problems, now rests on his shoulders.

15 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Lynn in Australia,

Yes, lots of water here, though we do try to conserve. We once did an experiment to see how much water was coming down the roof and just on to one tarp and then into a container. It was amazing. We’ve talked about a reclamation project, using the rainwater for grey water, or something, but a furnace had to be replaced. We went with an efficient furnace on that, so the water was put on hold, so to speak.

Miz Kay: glad to hear that they’ve reputed that. More threats to people’s beliefs is not the way to keep one’s flock.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@ Marty (VA) :

OT – have you read “Born to Kvetch: Yiddish Language and Culture in All of Its Moods” by Michael Wex? I think you would love it. Funny and informative.

15 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Just saw the live pictures for the fire in Southern CA. Jeez. I thought they had that under contol. Sending up positive energy for those folks. In the pictures that caught my eye the fire was in rectangular boxes with blank stripes. Then it occurred to me the rectangular boxes are all houses and the stripes with no fire are the streets. Wow. Then the pictures of the flames going up the canyons. Frightening.

I think that earth sheltered houses are a good idea. I think I’d like to be in one if I were there.

15 11 2008
Ashkee Colorado

Bigslick,

Thanks for your defense of the troops. I’m just an old Vietnam Vet who knows that we (the troops) do not necessarily choose our wars. I also believe that war is the most devastating on families (their side and ours).

Peace and Thanks again.

15 11 2008
drchill

Hey I just had a thought that might warm you up on a cold night…

A lieberman & Palin ticket. In 2012 Yep They’re the future of the republican party ….

Ahhh

: )

15 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Jamie,

Oy vey.. why would i want to learn to kvetch? I have my own personal kvetch pro.. my jewish mother serves that role so well. All she does is kvetch..

But i think i may have seen that book, although can’t recall if i actually read it.. although i probably did, you know, i read them all.🙂

15 11 2008
Ashkee Colorado

drchill,

That’s a great ticket! Beauty and the Beast! A grain of salt with that beauty.

15 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Well, time to do the kitchen. Been working at the computer all morning. I found that it takes much more time when I’m also reading Mudflats.

So off with the Manager hat (my youngest son’s an actor in NYC, I’m his manager) next hat is house cleaner, then the writer’s hat and then it’s being a sister hat and then being a Aunt hat.

So many hats and only one head!

Maybe that’s Palin’s problem. She’s confused about what hat she has on.

BBL

15 11 2008
pamela

@Newfoundland

I hear you about the hats (I have too many, also), but I think Palin’s problem is that while she might have more than one hat, she really has nothing in her head. A hat just won’t stay on an empty head.

Time to change my hat, too!

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I think that Palin has thrown away her hats one by one along the way and now has only one (her ambition). So whether she is Gov or Mom, it’s the same hat, thus the mess.

15 11 2008
drchill

Newfoundland Dogs Rule
… So many hats and only one head! …
============
That can be a problem …
Seems that McCain always had a ‘hat on’ when Sarah was near…

15 11 2008
SoCal Bob

That sure is white sand you’ve got all over those trees. It’s going to be 80 here in So Cal today and we don’t have any sand on our trees. 🙂

::Fingers crossed for a Begich win::

15 11 2008
SoCal Bob

pamela (06:45:43) : I agree.
Speaking from experience, it’s hard thinking on an empty head.

15 11 2008
austintx

drchill – you are SO correct……..he was always staring at her ass while she was talking.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Talking about women Republican politicians – someone last week asked about Katherine Harris, so I just looked her up on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Harris

My Lord, this woman is more disgusting than I ever knew! She even puts Barbie to shame!

15 11 2008
NY Dem

Regarding the picture of Bristol in the convenience store, I have a question:

Where’s the engagement ring ?

Her left hand is completely naked.

And what if December comes and goes, and there is no birth ?

And what if January comes and goes and there is no birth ?

Then around the middle of February she finally gives birth to little Todd Levi Track Palin – HOW are they going to explain THAT ONE !?!?!??!?!?!?!

15 11 2008
Ashkee Colorado

austintx,

Was it one of those moments when they took that picture with his tongue hanging out?

15 11 2008
Lynn-in-Australia

This is BRILLIANT! I heart Bill Mahers🙂

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/

(If this link messes up, it’s the latest entry on”the immoral minority” blog)

15 11 2008
Carol

Gorgeous picture…. visited son & daughter-in-law in Kodiak for Christmas last year. Alaska’s beauty is simply stunning. No problem adapting to the climate, not with proper clothing and wearing ice cleats.

15 11 2008
Lynn-in-Australia

“Bill Maher’s Last New Rules of the Season”
on the blog: The Immoral Minority

Filter here won’t let me post the atual link – way worth googling to get at it tho.

15 11 2008
Lacy Lady

Aussis Blue Sky—–she wants to look like “dreck” because she is a “klopana”.
(sorry—I really am not good with the spelling of the word)
My gradmother is no longer with us to ask.

15 11 2008
shoeho

LOL, I have one thing to share, because I KNOW y’all will recoil in horror at this.

The DH and I were watching the RGA presser (if you can call four questions a presser) with Palin. She’s up there at the podium, and ole Governor Goodhair (btw, does anyone else miss Molly Ivins like crazy) aka Rick Perry is right next to her.

Now, my DH sorta was in the AF with RP. I’ve met him at a couple of fundraisers (non-political).

My DH pipes up and says, “You know that six degress of separation thing?”

I innocently say, “Yeah.”

DH: “This means you are only one degree of separation from SP!” I cringe. He then says, “You know, I havn’t wanted to point it out, but it also means your only one degree away from GWB! And two from Dick Cheney.”

I told him he could have gone through the rest of our marriage w/o ever calling my attention to this. Really. He just grinned. Hmmm, maybe I will take that shopping trip to NM–I could tell him the closeness to Sarah was rubbing off.

15 11 2008
drchill

Ashkee Colorado (06:28:16) :
drchill,
That’s a great ticket! Beauty and the Beast! A grain of salt with that beauty.
=======
There’s a photo of a younger Palin in a suit jacket looking rather fetching, I must say. My first impression of her was from a long relaxed interview…
She seemed… well normal and nice.
Its the other lower layers of the Sarah Palin onion that is so weird, and her campaign voice, like she’s fed up edgy irritated, irritating and scolding.

I have to remind myself of a GOP theme that seems to be pretty consistent.
If you take what they are saying at face value, then, superficially it seems plausible. Palin’s recent coming home interview had some reasonable SOUNDING moments, but as AKM points out, they just don’t add up. They don’t square with the facts.

From time to time, I’ve heard compelling arguments about the Iraq war. (Really) And it would be convincing except that the argument doesn’t apply to the actual facts of THIS reality.

I still don’t know how much of this is deliberate lying, the rationalizations of people trying to sound convincing and making the best persuasive argument, or the misguided loyal followers parroting the sound bytes of their trusted leaders, or something like the Folie à deux- the shared delusion of people of the same mind set (technically just 1-other) susceptible to the suggestion and leadership of a madman or madmen…

hmmm well I can sit here and resolve that question or go over there and pet my cat …
nice kitty…

15 11 2008
austintx

Ashkee – That was at the last debate. I know others saw how Cindy was always at arms length watching through those reptilian like eyes………she knew that given half a chance……McHard-on would’ve tried him some moose-pie…..the old adage comes to mind……..” you lose ’em the same way ya got ’em”.

15 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Found this article and realize we’re really a long, long way off from real Change..!

http://www.wapt.com/politics/17925627/detail.html

15 11 2008
Grammy in PA

austintx (07:18:58) :

Ya got that right, Cindy should be aware that McLame has a roving eye . . . that’s how she got him!

15 11 2008
austintx

I wanna know if Sarah and Rosie are gonna go have a beer and share pie recipes……..

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@ NY Dem (06:57:28) :

Regarding the picture of Bristol in the convenience store…

NY Dem, already discussed above – give us your opinion. Photo of Bristol in convenience store on Nov 4 – how far along doew she look? Sept 1 she’s 5 months along. Nov 4 – 7 months. What do you say?

Re: Cindy, what’s the expression about something from your past comes back to kick you in the ass…?

15 11 2008
Grammy in PA

austintx (07:32:04) :

Maybe Rosie could go to Wasilla and SP can entertain her w/ some aerial wolf gunning and moose gutting.

15 11 2008
Grammy in PA

Jamie, Floridian in France (07:34:24) :

What goes around, comes around . . .

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

For all who were asking:

Bristol’s due date is listed at December 18th.

Good morning mudpups! It’s a beautiful day in the Land of Enchantment (New Mexico!).

15 11 2008
shoeho

Marty VA–There are going to be some people who never get over any of it. Unfortunately, at least imho, those were the people Governor Palin was often speaking to in her rallies.

For doG’s sake, Haley Barbar, the GOVERNOR of MS, WANTED the first debate at Ole Miss (as did the University admin, board of regents or whatever it’s called there, etc) BECAUSE it was going to feature the first African American who had a chance at being President. They wanted it to show how the climate of racism from the sixties had changed.

There are always going to be racist, ignorant people. The one thing I think this election showed is that while there are individuals who are racist as there would be anywhere, this is not a racist country. Whites voted for BHO in greater numbers than they did for JFKerry in 2004. Unfortunately, those who will never be changed will always be with us…bless their hearts. I tossed that in for Grammy, she would have been 104 yesterday.

15 11 2008
shoeho

Goalie! You think they can pull it out over BYU today? All fingers and paws crossed here, but they don’t have such a good record against BY.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@ Grammy in PA (07:36:18) :

Jamie, Floridian in France (07:34:24) :

What goes around, comes around . . .

…..to kick you in the ass.

15 11 2008
Tim Bowden

Hello, friends. Just a note that you are being followed along the Central Coast of California.

I have other connections to Alaska. My brother, Don Bowden, taught gifted children in several elementary schools in Anchorage, and his widow still works at one of the French oil service units there. I’ll bet every one of the students of his I met at his funeral in 1999 voted against the Bush Barbie. And my wife was born in Homer, and her family lived in Girdwood while her father was in the service, during WWII and after. They moved to Ketchikan then for some more years.

It’s 70 degrees here, and clear. Back to you.

15 11 2008
austintx

Grammy – as I pointed out way up the thread here…….they are SO at opposite ends of the spectrum…….there can only be one reason for Rosie to wanna “have a beer ” with Sarah…….pie,baby,pie !!………

15 11 2008
Grammy in PA

Tim Bowden (07:46:18) :

What years did your wife live in Ketchikan? I lived there from 52-61 when we moved to Jnu.

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Marty (VA) Mudstock DC
Real Change…
——
I was sick when I read the article yesterday about the White Extemist groups now adding 2,000 members a day! The Osama Obama Assasination day $1. sign up lottery! WTF…

Thank you John McCain & Sarah Palin! Jagoff bastard, scum. Fan the flames of racism then just walk away and sit by a pool in Florida or Arizona. These two douch bags caused all of this.

We must stand firm against these extremist. Change is coming and if they move to stop it, they will be defeated.

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

Rosie O. – I lost all respect for her when she said that women who got breast cancer deserved it, as her mother did. To this date, she has never retracted that statement. Shameful.

I’m a survivor of both Breast and Ovarian – and she is nothing but a bag of stale wind…

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Well Marty, for the 10th time this morning my comment has dumped into the spam file. I guess it’s my turn in the barrel, I give up…
Have a good day.

15 11 2008
austintx

Goalie – you are being too kind………she is a very angry and mean piece of shit !!!

15 11 2008
Nisperos

Good morning mudpuppies. I put away the clean pans on the counter, emptied the dishwasher, cleaned the first of morning dishes, and made coffee before sitting down. Now I’m caffinating and reading posts and links

@ shoeho (07:09:41) :

btw, does anyone else miss Molly Ivins like crazy

Yup, thanks for bringing her up. Sure wish she was still with us. Back on the Neiman Marcus pants thread, I posted what I’ll re-post below:

Molly Ivins should have been here for Obama’s victory:

From her last column, January 11, 2007: “We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders. And every single day, every single one of us needs to step outside and take some action to help stop this war. Raise hell. Think of something to make the ridiculous look ridiculous. Make our troops know we’re for them and trying to get them out of there.”

[Molly Ivins quotes George W. Bush in one of his “Bushisms”] “What I am against is quotas. I am against hard quotas, quotas they basically delineate based upon whatever. However they delineate, quotas, I think vulcanize society. So I don’t know how that fits into what everybody else is saying, their relative positions, but that’s my position.”

Gee, that almost sounds like Sarah…
—————————–

And, Sarah Palin could use some of Molly’s following advice/warnings:

“The first rule of holes: when you’re in one, stop digging.”

“It’s hard to argue against cynics — they always sound smarter than optimists because they have so much evidence on their side.”

“Being slightly paranoid is like being slightly pregnant – it tends to get worse.”
—————————–

And maybe we could substitute Alaska for Texas?

“Next time I tell you someone from Texas Alaska should not be president vice-president of the United States, please pay attention.”

“In Texas Alaska, we do not hold high expectations for the [governor’s] office; it’s mostly been occupied by crooks, dorks and the comatose.”

Good thing we’ve still got politics in Texas Alaska — finest form of free entertainment ever invented.
—————————–

And substitute woman’s for man’s [and Sarah Palin for Dick Armey]?

“If ignorance ever goes to $40 a barrel, I want drillin’ rights on that man’s woman’s head. [ Molly Ivins on Dick Armey Nisperos on Sarah Palin]“

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

@Marty, Re: Change…
I’ll try it this way…

Thank you John McCain & Sarah Palin for fanning the fires of racism in America then just walking away to your pools in Florida & Arizona, you don’t give a damn about our country. 2000 + members a day now joining white supremacist groups since election. If these people get in the way of change they will be defeated.

15 11 2008
Husky

Jamie, I live about half way between St. Augustine and Daytona. It isn’t a really up close view that you get right on the space coast, but it is always beautiful, especially at night.

Living here and watching my first Obama era shuttle go up really was a different experience- It was like the “ho-hum” was retired and a new era of “let’s do this thing” was ushered in. I know it sounds kind of corny, but the mood of crowd at our little beach, normally deserted at most times of day or night, was really amazing. Maybe it was the fullish moon or the satisfying feeling that SP was not all over the “teevee” anymore.

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

OH YEY! Thanks AKM! for rescuing me from spamland🙂

15 11 2008
sharon in canada

When is Gov Palin expected back at work? Will she be moving into the gov mansion or will she reside in Wasilla and continue to collect her per diams? I’m assuming that the Alaskan citizens have her in their sites now and will hold her accountable for every action and/or inaction until her term ends.I welcome the day that she is brought to her knees and exposed for the shallow person that she is.
Keep on her AKM. She can run but she can’t hide.

15 11 2008
sharon in canada

When is Gov Palin expected back at work? Will she be moving into the gov mansion or will she reside in Wasilla and continue to collect her per diams? I’m assuming that the Alaskan citizens have her in their sites now and will hold her accountable for every action and/or inaction until her term ends.I welcome the day that she is brought to her knees and exposed for the shallow person that she is.
Keep on her AKM. She can run but she can’t hide.

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

austintx (07:58:19) :

Goalie – you are being too kind………she is a very angry and mean piece of shit !!!
———-
I second that!!!

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

On Molly….when I was a young woman in my early 20’s, I moved to Texas (January 1973) and worked in the 63rd Legislative Session as well as the Constitutional Convention. I joined the Young Women’s Political Caucus and worked alongside a young Molly. Some of the most fun and inspiring days of my life. I was particularly struck with her intelligence and quick witted humor.

I did not keep up with Molly through the years personally – but admired her career from afar. She was always insightful, brilliant and spot on in her assessments and FUNNY!

I really miss her political musings.

15 11 2008
Scott Palin

Hi all,

The Tea fire her in SB is quieting down. It’s supposed to be 83 here today, so it’s hard to relate to the snow covered tree. Looks nice though.

It does feel like it’s winding down for Sarah, like the last of the wind is out of the bag. (not that this is over though)

Have a great day!

15 11 2008
Nisperos

@ Chief Shikago

I missed saying good night before your bed time prior to the current wake-up. I was busy writing a long post about my daughter. If you have a moment, the long post is towards the bottom on the Begich up by 1061 thread (@ 22:05:33)

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

@shoeho,

Gonna be a toughie against BYU….I hope so though!

BTW, my nephew (no. 88) was accepted to Georgetown Medical School! Look for him on the field today!

GO AFA!!!

15 11 2008
pamela

@shoeho and Nisperos,

It is too bad Molly Ivins didn’t live to see this election. I would have loved to read her take on SP. But Nisperos, you did her proud. Never would have thought to connect politicians from Alaska w/ politicians from Texas, but Bush and Palin – let’s hope there aren’t too many more out there like them.

15 11 2008
Kate in Canada

Sarah sulking (or crying?) photo in a Sept 13 Canadian news article- what’s going on?
http://www.nationalpost.com/related/links/story.html?id=788275
Rally at Fairfax VA Sept 10 AM Paul Richards, AFP, Getty Images

I continued to wonder about this picture so tracked the occasion down by the clothes Sarah and Cindy were wearing. It was taken at a Sept 10 rally in Fairfax VA, of which there are many pictures, with McCain seeming to be doing all the speaking. The next day she flew to Alaska to speak to her son’s brigade, and gave the Charlie Gibson interview.

15 11 2008
Nisperos

@ Goalie in NM (08:05:12) :

Thanks for sharing about Molly. Lucky you. I have a friend who now lives in NY, hailing originally from Midland, who also got to be around Molly. Then later he was a Repug for a while, and then like me, an early supporter of Obama when NY was mostly Hillary. (But he did get his pic taken at the WH with GW for the Midland class reunion.)

15 11 2008
Nisperos

@everyone on the Molly luvfest: Sweet musings…

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Hey kids.

I just added my magical pie crust recipe as well as my special pumpkin pie recipe on the forum. Forgot to add – eat that there pie with whipped cream or ice cream. Yummy!

@Husky –

I can imagine how excited everyone was. We do feel like we are ushering in a new era and that everything has changed. The last shuttle I watched live was on January 28, 1986 (my birthday) from the FIT Melbourne campus – and saw it explode. It was shattering!

15 11 2008
bassblue

Sarah, Get your arse back to alaska. There are people there waiting for you. The party is over. Time to face the music.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Isn’t the RGC over? Is she just working on her tan down there?

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

Yeah, there was something about Molly that made you feel as if you were friends even if you didn’t know her. She had that down home honesty that is a rarity with many pundits/editorialists – and those on both sides of the fence had great respect for her. She was a fact check freak and never, ever repeated a rumor – (heh, not one she didn’t beleive anyway…😆

I miss Tim Russert too…he had those same qualities.

15 11 2008
bassblue

“Also”

“There”

“There too”

“Opportunuty”

Terrorist

Either of these words are used in nearly every “sentence” she utters.

15 11 2008
austintx

Goalie – did ya ever go to the “Raw Deal” or “Texas Chili Parlor” during that time ??? Also – Ann and Molly both had terminal cancer at the same time and I spotted them at Whole Foods walking the aisles arm and arm laughing their asses off!! Ann lived 4 blocks away and would walk over. Physically the end was near – but the verve and soul in their laughter was priceless .Two real Queens.

15 11 2008
Mollys Mum

@NY Dem (06:57:28) :
Regarding the picture of Bristol in the convenience store, I have a question:

Where’s the engagement ring ?

Her left hand is completely naked.
________________
NY Dem, when I was pregnant my fingers swelled up considerably and I stopped wearing my rings. Could be just that.

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Nisperos (08:07:44) :
Thanks Nisperos, on my way…

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

@austintx,

I lived in Austin from Dec 72- Feb. 78. Can’t recall being at either of those places, though. Was Raw Deal a health food place…famous for wheat grass juice? Didn’t go to Texas Chili Parlor (I don’t eat meat and haven’t since 73). I did however frequent the Soap Creek Saloon and Armadillo WH…Also the Broken Spoke and Whole Foods was just getting off the ground around 74-5ish? So much has changed since I was there – pop. was around 350K at the time. I do have some good stories (a few about GWB…he he…but I dare not repeat!!)

My son (oldest child) is in Austin in Grad School now and I’m so happy he is having the Austin experience. I do miss it and we have been looking for some land on the Pedernales out by Dripping Springs near a community of friends living there.

I’m guessing that you are still in Austin?

15 11 2008
pamela

Sorry if this has been posted before, but it’s rather amusing: Jake Tapper on Palin-speak or cracking “The DaPalin Code” http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/11/the-dapalin-cod.html

15 11 2008
Baby4BarrackandMichelle

Never thought I would envy the snow, but I am in the San Fernando Valley, CA – so much smoke, it is hard to breathe. Fire is just north of us, we are not evacuated – YET. 90 degrees and windy today, not good.

15 11 2008
fromlaurelstreet

cynthia, TX:

thanks for the reminder (and link) about president-elect obama’s radio address!

(i’m formerly “karen marie” but now have my own wordpress blog and it automatically signs my name as “fromlaurelstreet)

15 11 2008
Trini

I can’t believe SWWNBN is lounging by a Florida pool and drinking champaign. Doesn’t she have other things to take care of: a pregnant daughter, a DS baby, oh, and a State!

15 11 2008
rachelbirds

Here’s a great piece ’bout
Palin and the nonsense that
issues from her mouth.

http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla/?th&emc=th

15 11 2008
drchill

http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla/

Yes it is funny.

“Electronic devices dislike me. There is never a day when something isn’t ailing. Three out of these five implements — answering machine, fax machine, printer, phone and electric can-opener — all dropped dead on me in the past few days.

Now something has gone wrong with all three television sets. They will only get Sarah Palin.” …

15 11 2008
austintx

Goalie – “Raw Deal” was a dump of a gin joint ( the best kind!! ) near the capital. It was owned by Eddie Wilson – same guy who owned AWH……..he now owns Threadgills, a down home southern cookin’ place……..there are 2 locations…..the original is in a old gas station that was turned into a roadhouse where Janis Joplin got her start……..legend has it that Hank Williams played his last gig there before he died in the backseat of a Cadillac on the way to Oklahoma……..the 2nd location is much bigger and the walls are covered with pictures of the incredible variety of bands that played AWH…….AC/DC……the Boss…….Willie….the picture of Joe Strummer on the cover of “London Calling” was taken at AWH……..Have your son take you to Threadgills when you visit!!! And finally…..I have it on real good authority that GWB partook in a few party favors…….if we meet someday…we’ll share stories!!

15 11 2008
Nisperos

@ pamela

Yes, the Palinisms are always funny. I think she’s manic or frontal lobe injury. When you listen to manic people in a manic state, if you metaphorically look away for a few seconds, it may seem like you have missed a couple of paragraphs. Still, if you have a recorder and write it out, often a large part makes sense, it’s just that the speech was too fast. I’m amazed that besides the pressured spewing of speech, the sentences don’t seem to get formed (except occasionally) into some kind of understandable speech. So, it seems to me that besides the elevated mood, there’s also a loss of some executive functioning and while trying for humor, the linked article actually got it right that if you take some words out, there’s actually a formed idea there, however impressionistic and undeveloped.

OK, I have a child with multiple handicaps and a low incidence disorder, but I used to hang with a larger group of moms who had kids with learning disabilities, ADHD, emotional disorders, unspecified neuro stuff, etc. Basically, this was a group who had kids who seemed fine until you got to know them and then started to notice quirks and social skill and learning challenges. Subsequently, lots of time was spent trying to find someone to pay for appropriate neuropsych testing (health insurance, school, convincing a primary health provider about the need for a more specialized referral, etc…)

So, from this background, here’s a re-post from a prior thread:

The ersatz Dr. Nisperos (who has no graduate or medical degrees) attempts a tongue-in-cheek Dx:

Axis I:
R/O Bipolar I Disorder
R/O Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder

Axis II:
Personality Disorder with narcissistic, histrionic, and antisocial features

AxisIII:
R/O frontal lobe syndrome with disinhibited, impulsive behavior, inappropriate jocular affect and euphoria, poor judgment and insight, and distractibility

15 11 2008
Nisperos

Also, a repost of ds55’s follow-up:

“Dr.” Nisperos, I believe Sarah may have received a serious bump on her head.

Snow machine riding, perhaps? Something that would show up in a medical report?

http://www.aboutbraininjury.org.uk/site_documents/4.6%20Nurse%20Anna.pdf

“What is Disinhibition?

Hurting the frontal lobe of the brain can damage our sense of inhibition.

Inhibition makes us think twice before we do something.

Sometimes, saying what we really think or doing what we want can be hurtful to others or can get us into trouble or situations we would rather not be in.

Hurting your frontal lobe can sometimes stop us from thinking twice.
This is called ‘disinhibition’.”

15 11 2008
mmboucher (Florida)

I think they showed Bristol’s ring finger at the convention or somewhere, and it was tatoed because they couldn’t afford a ring

15 11 2008
austintx

Sarah has OSPS…………OneSickPuppySyndrome

15 11 2008
Tim Bowden

Grammy in PA: My brother Donnie and wife Rita moved from her homeplace in Hawaii to Anchorage in 1986, so I guess they missed you a few years. He died in ’99, and she was due to retire around 2005, but I seem to have lost contact with her. Don was based at Inlet View Elementary.

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

@austintx

Okay…I know Threadgills – also went to see at Waterloo Ice House – Jimmy Vaughn and the Thunderbirds. A friend who lived at 19th and Nueces (in the 70’s) in the house where Joplin lived before him and left one of her paintings on the wall! He still has that painting – but lives in south Austin now. His roommate was John Ailee of KUT-FM, who remains a good friend of mine to this day. He’s still on the air!! I love it…

I used to live off Bouldin on Christopher and walk to the AWH of an evening. Also Antone’s was great…isn’t that where the Boss got his start? Sad when Clifford died – he did so much for struggling musicians. A girlfriend of mine sent me the book just out this summer on Willie…I have barely cracked it.

Yes, my GWB stories include party favors. Nuff said – but I had 20/20 vision even then…

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Everyone else don’t read this is sad medical crap, save yourselves now.

Nisperos (22:05:33) :
Having just read your comment, as mentioned, I understand we both belong to the same club. My heart is with you as yours mine. We have even more commonalities than you know. Current spouse became totally disabled by neuropsychiatric systemic lupus erythematosus 10 years ago when my son was just 3 years old. She was 35, had Lupus SLE since she was a teen. Was on massive doses of steroids at various times. When the lupus entered her CNS her behavior overnight became intolerable. I basically had to keep my son away from her as she no longer had normal coping skills. It was as if she had a severe frontal lobe accident. One day she was more successful than me, the next she was walking in circles in our kitchen unable to tell me where she was going, very alzheimer’s like.
Eventually she was in hospice in a coma (2 weeks) at home 4 years ago, pulled through that barely, she completed all of her own funeral arrangements, even with photo’s of her make up. 1 month later Aaron to fall over with his first seizure the day before Thanksgiving. Than miraculously she became super mom everything kicked in (with lupus still raging against her) did everything and anything to save his life. We went through a stemcell transplant at the UofMinn, lived at the Ronald McDonald house in the twin cities, unfortunately to no avail. 4 years after his passing, she continues to survive. We are told there is no reason why (with her current labs) that she is still alive.
Now I find myself in a conundrum, living with her is taking a serious toll on me, televisions can be on 24 hours a day, constantly talking to herself or anything, abusive hateful behavior toward me the caregiver, her family has turned against me, they spend an hour each day in mass, yet to date here in my home 7 hours total help given in 2008 caring for their daughter! About every other week she will sleep for 2 days, after 30 hours, I begin doing the resperation checks every 30 minutes. Her physical suffering is beyond belief. She is on 10 meds including 160mg of oxycontin with liquid morphine for back-up. $25,000 rx cost per year.
She has the potential to be homicidal and suicidal, most recently on Sept. 14th after a flood in Chicago filled our late sons playroom, I help get her through those darkest moments. Don’t worry no firearms in this house fro sure… I can take care of my defense. But as strong as my commitment has been and is to caring for my 2nd bestest friend ever. I now find myself at the end of my caregiver rope, and fear I may have to seperate myself from her and her dysfunctional family. A store manager at a nearby Walgreens who has known us for 20 years urgently approached me Wed. and said I must get out now!!! Yikes! WTF… this is a craptastic situation I find myself in. Everyone who supports me says it’s time for this to end. Walking away means, her next go of it, could be her last. Some have told me that might be best. This is what I call a “hard do” situation. I am so sorry for spilling, the rest of this story, I know not fun. My sincere apologies to anyone about this post.

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I read the fabulous Dick Cavett opinion article. But this was a great comment posted by a reader :
“My neighbours in this small village in Brittany asked me to translate what she was saying into French for them so they could understand her popularity. Imagine having to translate Palinese into another language. As you point out, it doesn’t even make sense in English.”

15 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Correction:
Eventually she was in hospice in a coma (2 weeks) at home 6 years ago

15 11 2008
austintx

Goalie – ah Austin in the 70’s – ask your friends what the “little village” of Bee Caves looks like now….the drive “out to the Pedernales” ain’t so nice……stop lights…….Big Box retail heaven….land ain’t cheap out there……all the Californicators are willing to pay any price !!!!

15 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@Chief Shikago:

It is an incredibly long time for someone to suffer. You know that if you are at the end of your tether then it does no good for either her or you. You need relief and she needs to be surrounded, at least part time, with people who can give her what she needs without burning out. You do need to start thinking of yourself, after thinking of son and spouse full time for so many years. At least put her somewhere part time or somewhere where you can go and visit every day, but at least have some time that you devote to yourself and a “normal” life. You need your health and serenity in order to help others.

I helped take care of my dad during his two years suffering from Alzheimer’s disease (my mom kept him home the whole time) and this July we just found out that my older brother (51) has ALS in a form that may be linked to early dementia and one that degenerates extremely rapidly. He is not married so we are all trying to face up to the realities of taking care of him. At the same time, my best friend (who lives here in Nantes) just fell very hard off the wagon – with a beautiful 10 month old daughter – and I know that I should help (again) her husband as much as I can. Life gives us this shit and we must deal with it the best we can, but that best way is only if we keep sane and healthy. That is also the best way to help your spouse.

Sorry if I put in no sentimental words here – you know how I feel…

15 11 2008
mmboucher (Florida)

Shikago aka Chief Shikago,

I never reply to a personal problem, that being said it sounds like God has given you all you can handle ( he never gives you more that that) . It also sounds like you have made all the right decisions so far and you will make the right one now.

Best wishes,
Mary

15 11 2008
Mollys Mum

Oh, Cheif Shikago, my heart and prayers are with you. What an excruciating position you are in. Only you know the best way to handle it, but please don’t sacrifice yourself needlessly. It must be so hard to keep perspective under such conditions. I wish you strength and peace.

15 11 2008
Mollys Mum

@mmboucher (Florida) (09:24:45) :

It was Levi who had the ring tattooed on him, because he had lost an earlier one that Bristol gave him while hunting. She was wearing a lovely little diamond at the RNC, and there was some speculation about who exactly had paid for it. Maybe it went back to the shop with the rest of the wardrobe. 😦

15 11 2008
drchill

Some of my thoughts about Bush’s language problems apply to Sarah.

1: We all fumble and mis-speak, and are accustomed to dealing with poor speech in others, so we’re adept at it, and do it automatically.

2: You spend time trying to figure out what she’s saying. This takes time away from critiquing it.

3: You tend to resolve ambiguity into its most sensible construct. This will reflect your values and beliefs. Her comments then take on parts of your own sensible thinking, making her seem more sensible.

4: This casual speech seems to be natural and relaxed. It appears to be without the studied and often pretentious speech of some politicians. This tends to be seen as more off the cuff, honest and straightforward.

5: It implicitly ‘asks’ to be accepted as normal and average speech and to be set apart from the normal scrutiny we give political speech. It is sometimes explicitly characterized as normal and average speech, and NOT elitist.

6: Strict scrutiny is rejected as inappropriate for this kind of casual speech.

7: It appeals to anti intellectuals. Paradoxically when the speech is built upon compound sentences, it requires a higher reading/comprehension level to understand. This gives the impression that she’s smart in an accessible way, and as you try to understand it, you project your interpretation on it. See 3 above.

8: Some people tune it out. It can be hard to listen to. Being ignored by critics may be desirable for her.

9: She has adopted the GOP style of making up or using any superficially plausible explanation that seems to have face validity. By face validity, I mean in isolation and separate from other relevant facts, it seems reasonable and plausible on its own. EG:
( You said “X” “I was just kidding about X.” “Oh, Okay.”)
When you view the tape of Palin asking about the daily duties of the VP, you know she wasn’t kidding, But who has time to look through the archives?
Who has time to pay attention?
Paying attention… seems there’s a blogger in Alaska who is paying attention…
: )

10: Gosh she’s just like me. ( Gag ) She represents the American anti-intellectual belief that strength of character… not intellectual prowess, is the essential substance of value and success. Strength ( the muscular metaphor ) can be attained by anyone. (Not so with intelligence.) Thus she represents an ‘American virtue’, by “plowing through”, rather than by means of subtlety, nuance, diplomacy, analysis, thoughtful reflection, and other intellectually demanding means.
For those folks, ‘answers’ like: bomb the enemy, strong America, Fight the enemy, Fight for you, victory for us and defeat for them, seems to be reasonable approaches to lots of problems.

Okay I’ll stop now,
10 is a good number.

Now where’s that cat…
here kitty kitty…

15 11 2008
ira2

@ Shikago aka Chief Shikago (09:33:25) :

Chief… my heart goes out to you. And yes, even I would tell you that you need to take care of yourself as much as you’ve been taking care of your wife. If that can’t be combined, you need to do it separately. That’s my opinion anyway.

On a personal note, what you wrote scares the living daylights out of me. I’ll go try to cope now… doing some menial housework or something… something “normal”.

15 11 2008
mmboucher (Florida)

MOLLYS mum,

I stand corrected, you are right “sorry”

15 11 2008
Nisperos

@ Chief Shikago

Dang you! Spilling tears again! It’s OK though, you have a friend here. I can at least listen. Yes, I know another story about lupus and psychosis at the end. Placement would be so hard… and not because you are sane enough to know that you are being pushed to your limits, but because many wouldn’t take her for placement in a friendly community placement where you could get some breathing room and still visit (and be abused and hated all the time except for a few lucid moments – which would be no different than what is going on now, except that you might get a bit more of space). Except to try and reflect back some of what you might be musing about and to say that my heart goes out to you, I know not what else. Sorry about the non-helpful family of origin too.

Getting any psych meds besides pain meds? I imagine so, but I HATE medical providers who have this one-size approach and over-medicate without caring about side effects. How about a little added calming on the side, like perhaps a beta blocker (heart med) such as propranolol which can be taken as needed rather than continuously? Or the cheap old drug prazosin used with veterans and nightmares? (Read about it here on this veteran’s thread, my posting, May 5, 2008, 1:55 p.m.: http://neighbors.denverpost.com/viewtopic.php?p=209497) I hope you have a good neuro or primary who is at least willing to try things…

Sending warm thoughts your way…

15 11 2008
Chief Shikago

Having just posted my puke for all the world to see, I am making one final plea, I am contacting her Drs. (she has a top Lupus Dr. here in Chicago), the Lupus Research Institute in NYC, The Lupus Foundation of America, and Illinois Chapter, (for which I have secured $500,000 worth of donations) along with the American Psyciatric Association of America. I am going to send these nice folks an emergency plea for help with Flo. Neuropsychiatric lupus is not understood at all, research in this area has only just begun.

Ok sorry I can’t stay for follow up. I am being paged. My patient awakes…

15 11 2008
UK Lady

Shikago

This sounds like hell on earth.

Your wife has really suffered, but you are taking too much on yourself, you will be no good to anyone least of all yourself if you crack under the strain.

I don’t know much about the help available in the US, in the UK you would get home help from the welfare service. Are the community workers (as derided by SP at the Repug convention) not a similar agency?.

Could you not ask for some help/relief from them?.

This may be a stupid question, I really don’t know.

15 11 2008
Chief Shikago

ira2 (10:03:30) :
Again, I truely am sorry to anyone who may be scared or offended in anyway, I sincerely apologize.

bbl

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

@austintx

We actually own a little condo around Congress and Riverside on the south side of Town lake. We usually head out to the Pedernales through the old convict hill area…still it’s bumper to bumper on the way out. Bee Caves is not the same…agreed. Californication, eh? Not surprised in the least. A girlfriend of mine says that lots of middle easterners are buying up the high rise condo’s going up around downtown..looked to me like they were really overbuilding them and they are going to go bust. Just my opinion.

Last visit in July I actually went out to Mt. Bonnell for old times sake…did you ever visit the Dry Creek Saloon? Spent many evenings sitting on that old deck looking at the sunset. Sigh….yup…the 70’s in Austin – what a great, grand old time.

From our little place on the river we can walk to SoCo easily and of course the trail around town lake is right there through the Statesman prop nearby. I love that ‘hood and hope we can keep our condo. The prop. tax is sky high!! Our little place is only 560 sq. feet, but we pay over 3K in taxes a year – I guess for now it’s worth it since we own it outright.

Where’s your ‘hood? Are you nearby to us?

Sheesh…I think I’ll plan a visit soon….gettin’ lonely for Austin just talking about it!

15 11 2008
mmboucher (Florida)

Chief Shikago,

You have nothing to apologize for we are all friends here, and you will feel better getting it off your chest!

15 11 2008
Bea

Oh Shikago, you certainly have been given much more than your fair share of challenges in this life. I’m sure i am not the only one who is truly impressed that you have managed survive it all with such a great sense of humor in tact.

More virtual hugs to you. ((((Shikago))))

The mentions of Molly Ivins upthread put a lump in my throat. She really deserved to be here for this. Ann Richards too.

shoeho (07:09:41) :

Too funny about your close “degrees” to Governor Goodhair, which you realize makes you one step closer to the Shrilla from Wasilla, also too.

I am chuckling that she’s supposedly going to appear on ‘Desperate Housewives’. Can you say DESPERATE GOVERNOR? Guess the frozen cold shoulders she got in sunny FLA might have given her a clue that her ‘Hottest GOPer’ days are numbered.

I noticed they also snubbed Bobby ‘The Exorcist’ Jindal for RGA chairmanships. I think the Republicans may have had enough of religious wackadoodles for the time being.

15 11 2008
WeCan Hussein

Here’s an interesting article about faith and the election. Guess a lot of religious people don’t buy Palin’s view of religion.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/11/14/study-election-created-new-values-voter/

“Nearly three-quarters of voters (and of religious voters) said people of faith should promote the common good, not protect their own views. Even groups most active in the religious right said a broader faith agenda would best reflect their values.”

“Also, President-elect Barack Obama apparently made inroads into that faith community beyond those who backed him. Many white Evangelicals – nearly twice the number who actually voted for him – now say he is “friendly to religion” and “shares their values.”

Although much has been made of the boost Sarah Palin’s candidacy gave to Sen. John McCain among Evangelicals, the survey shows that her nomination was a net loss for the GOP ticket. Only 30 percent of white Evangelicals said her nomination made them more likely to support McCain, while it decreased support among every other religious group and among independents.”

15 11 2008
WeCan Hussein

I’ve been spammed!
What did I say?????????

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

@Shikago,

Having been through the personal mill myself, I applaud you. I find that the human spirit is amazing and can do whatever it is called upon to face.

Keep jumping through the hoops (there will always be hoops)…Keep putting one foot in front of the other, head down and full of purpose… and someday, somehow…you are looking back and have accomplished what seemed to be the impossible.

Your reward is that you are here – in this life, in the present. There is nothing more than right now.

Love and healing hugs to you Shikago.

15 11 2008
UK Lady

Wow!, this is very funny, it’s just been posted. I’m not even sure is was meant to go public –

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/15/rahm-emanuel-roasts-steph_n_144081.html

15 11 2008
Bear Woman

@ sharon in canada (08:04:03) :

Saw on Faux News (my mother’s doing) this morning that she is back in AK.

I doubt she will move to the Governor’s Mansion in JUNEAU (the capital) for two major reasons:

(1) Her husband has worked to get the capital moved to Anchorage. Wasilla will become even more of a bedroom community and thus, their property values and those of their friends will rise and be even more valuable.

(2) The first year she was here her kids hated the capital so she moved back to Wasilla. How convenient of an excuse so you can collect another $17K into your pocket tax free!

When will she go back to work? Well, she will only do that if some MSM that like her are present!

15 11 2008
austintx

Chief – surely there is SOMEONE that can come “sit” for a couple of hours while you can leave and decompress…..don’t even ask the lame-ass family……..try a near- by church….they all have grief and prayer groups…….this is definitely in that category……..this is obviously TOXIC……..remove yourself for a while……..go see the new 007 movie!!

15 11 2008
Bea

austintx (10:35:10) :

……..go see the new 007 movie!!
____

I don’t know about that last bit of advice. I heard a review on NPR that it is QUITE an emotional downer (second only to ‘The Dark Knight’).

I don’t see movies in the theater very often, because whenever I’m read to go, it alwasy seems the choices are:
* dark and depressing
* fart joke-based
* talking chihuahua-esque

*sigh*

15 11 2008
Bea

***** bad typing alert in above comment ***** D-)

15 11 2008
MWthatoneYesWeCan

Chief Shikago…. I now dedicate any and all my blue candles and a special white one to you; for your decision and deserved relief. Always enjoy your posts. Love your self as your neighbor, I always say to my most devoted-to-others friends. Godspeed.

15 11 2008
braveny

@Chief

Hugs from California to you. It’s a lot to bear alone.

@ Mudflats

New petition to tell Sara to Shut up and Go Home
Sign Petition Here

15 11 2008
halcrow


Jamie, Floridian in France (03:13:41) :

And for all you Sarah fans : another great one by Ellen Goodman :

Hey, thanks for the link to the wonderful article. And “her Anchorage crockpot” is a pure delight, right up there with “Bimbo Borealis”.

15 11 2008
More Light than Heat

@ Shikago
You’re among friends here. Vent all you need to, we’ll listen and provide virtual hugs. Sounds like you’ve a handle on some resources to tap into who may be able to help or at least offer an informed, reasoned sounding board. All good thought going your way. When Flo is unreasonable, it’s not her, it’s her disease. The woman you love has been overtaken by her disease.

Care-giving is exhausting work, even when the patient is lucid, rational, and will recover. Several years ago, I went through a year that we now call our year from Hell. People reminded me that God doesn’t give you more than you can handle. That may be true, but I imagine you’d prefer a MUCH smaller plate. I used to say that I wished I could trade my platter in for a saucer.😉

Do take time and care for yourself. Both for your sake and for Flo’s. Even respite care could be useful for you if placement isn’t a viable option. Meanwhile, you have a circle of friends here on Mudflats who care about you and want only the best for you — whatever that may be.

Many hugs and loving thoughts coming your way.
Gini

15 11 2008
Kate in Canada

Shikago-
I am so sorry that you and those you love have been and are suffering.

Years ago I was a crisis counsellor, and have since been with several people as their health failed. This is my gut-level suggestion after reading your post. Probably you have already done some of this.

Take what you have written as a bench-mark summary of where you are, and add any other information that you think of. Bench-marks are important in stress and decision situations. Keep it as a personal document while you decide and after, when you wonder if you were wise.

Seriously list and investigate your alternatives. Know what all of them are. When you must, and that time seems close, choose. Know that if you collapse, all that depends on you will also, so you must care for yourself as a necessary thing, not an option to be postponed or sacrificed. So far as I can tell, you are the only one who thoroughly knows your situation. Trust yourself.

Find a counselling and referral resource that understands this illness- I hope there would be non-profit associations- you may have done so already and it may be time to go back and update the discussion. Talking with a neutral person helps you to offset the people who are not.

You have already done heroic commitment and endured heartbreak. No one should demand more. Now things have to change.

Look at the tree under snow that AKM posted- we turn into winter, the season of terrible beauty. Know that we continue to turn toward spring.

Kate

15 11 2008
braveny

I didn’t make it to the protest against H8 today. Woke up at 6am to fires in the hills above me. I am not in danger or evacuated yet. My daughter has just left as a part of the Red Cross to run the shelter for those evacuated. She just returned from Texas disaster relief last week.

I hope all other Californians are safe with these fires… last week in Santa Barbara area and now in the San Fernando Valley and Yorba Linda.

Every year this time, when there is wind there are fires… it is just sickening.

15 11 2008
monalisa65

Shikago, no apologies needed here in the ‘flats. Thank you for trusting us enough to expose your world to us. When our Mom suddenly passed away last December, I became sole caretaker for my eldest brother, a Vietnam-era vet with schizophrenia. Losing our mother has had him in a major tailspin, but as difficult as it is, it’s not even a shadow of what you’re going through….

Like you, I’m often told that I should take more time for myself, see to my own needs, stop putting my life on hold, etc. I don’t know why it’s so hard for me to do so, it’s like the analytical part of my brain somehow refuses to even attempt to wrap itself around the question…

My heart goes out to you.

15 11 2008
Bear Woman

@ Chief Shikago:

You are doing all you can. To be effective, you must also preserve some of yourself. Since her family is unwilling to deal with this, then ask your church, any church or hospice group for a volunteer to help.

I know asking for help is hard and you don’t want to impose. Even if the help they can give does not give care to your spouse, they can help with cleaning your home, shopping, and just plain outside contact that can give you some “normal” interaction. I’m guessing us Muddies help provide some of that….

I know you know you know (sorry must be and SP moment) that us Muddies will help how and if we can. I’m in AK so cannot come give respite, but my prayers and thoughts are with you. I am more than willing to do research and contact to help you get some assistance…..

(((((((HHHHHUUUUGGGGGG)))))

15 11 2008
SMR

@Chief —

Sending warm thoughts & wishes for the necessary strength & patience your way. Some day you will be able to look back on this time of your life and appreciate all that it has taught you and the strength that it has given you.

Until that time, do you have any options for hospice care?

And the loss of the support of your wife’s family does not sound to be much of a loss after all. Next time you talk to them ask them if any of their prayers are for their own souls for forsaking their family and their duties. I’m pretty sure that even an hour each day of church-going will not impress God when compared with how they have treated you & your wife. People like that are why I don’t identify with Christianity any longer. Yes, there are wonderful Christians out there, but my experience has them at about 1 in 5 or maybe even 1 in 10.

15 11 2008
Denise MadLibFromMSgaAZca

AKM, this pic makes me feel like White Christmas–which I have never even had the pleasure of experiencing!

15 11 2008
austintx

Goalie – I lived near S1st. & W.Mary for years – alas I have moved just north of Koenig to Crestview…….my 14 yr. old got accepted to Fine Arts program at McCallum High…….he plays stand up bass in the chamber orch………they play Carnegie Hall next June…….living in 04 zipcode was fun…….now hipness has taken over and the prices are crazy. Yes – have been to Dry Creek Saloon……..was the infamous old lady bartendress there??? ……..she WILL NOT put up with any crap!! I saw her tell 2 big ‘ol boys to leave and never come back……..they were laughing too loud…..no one complained…..she just didn’t like it…so it was ” see ya “

15 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ 2 drchill (10:01:18)

“Strength ( the muscular metaphor ) can be attained by anyone. (Not so with intelligence.):

A Lakoff and Johnson scholar by any chance?
_______________________________________

Shikago, and all those of you who have written so poignantly of your suffering, my heart is with you.

@Kate in Canada (10:52:44)
Practical, compassionate and beautifully expressed advice.

15 11 2008
austintx

Bea – just pulled that outta the air- go to the IMAX……those are always good for escapism !!!

15 11 2008
nswfm CA

Scott Palin (08:05:54) :

Hi all,

The Tea fire her in SB is quieting down. It’s supposed to be 83 here today, so it’s hard to relate to the snow covered tree. Looks nice though.

It does feel like it’s winding down for Sarah, like the last of the wind is out of the bag. (not that this is over though)

Have a great day!
________________
Very glad to wake up to this news–last night it got very windy in Ventura County.
___________________
Baby4BarrackandMichelle (08:52:29) :

Never thought I would envy the snow, but I am in the San Fernando Valley, CA – so much smoke, it is hard to breathe. Fire is just north of us, we are not evacuated – YET. 90 degrees and windy today, not good.
____________

Your area’s smoke was over my way at the Channel Islands Harbor area, and when I woke up, I thought it was Montecito’s fire.

This fire weather has sucked here for a few years.

Please, everyone with an excess of water and snow, please send some our way!

15 11 2008
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15 11 2008
Denise MadLibFromMSgaAZca

Shikago aka Chief Shikago (09:33:25) :

Thank you. For trusting us enough to open up and share. For poignantly touching us. For all the precious time you have given us.

I am urging you to take care of yourself. Even a half hour to focus on yourself. I wish I was close enough to come sit for you. I hope and pray your reaching out will be met with a helping hand reaching back.

15 11 2008
nswfm CA

BraveNY, where are you? In CA? I was in NYC for 9 years before moving back to So Cal.

15 11 2008
SMR

Hello All. I am trying hard to beat my mudflats addiction. Must get back to my real life slowly but surely…

But, until I do, knew that you all would appreciate this! Did the donation to Planned Parenthood on behalf of Bible Spice for myself and each of my daughters. Got a thank you letter from Planned Parenthood of Alaska, here’s part of what it says:

We are so grateful for your donation in honor of Sarah Palin. With your generous and valued commitment to Planned Parenthood of Alaska, you help thousands of women, men and teens create a more healthy, positive reality every day for themselves and their families.

I love love love the wording on this, particularly the inclusion of the word REALITY. I wonder if they sent her a card saying that a donation was made in her honor, I think they were supposed to do that… Lovely lovely mail, that’s the kind I like to get!😈

15 11 2008
Denise MadLibFromMSgaAZca

nswfm CA (11:10:52)

Glad to hear you are safe! I have been worried about SoCal Muddies. The fires are scary with the winds.

We had winds in Sonoma County that were gusting to 50’s. I have been in hurricanes. This was different, dry and would just suddenly hit the house without prelude. Almost tornado like. The dog couldn’t rest; he paced and watched.

15 11 2008
Denise MadLibFromMSgaAZca

Please take care in SoCal. Let us know how you are doing.

15 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Afternoon mudpups..

I think it should be stated we’re at war. Mother Nature has declared war on our own in Southern Cal, and it’s time to fight back.

Watching huge homes burning to the ground with no one even in the neighborhood is just heartbreaking.

And with temps in the 90s and humidity at 10% (wtf is 10% humidity? About the water content in paper!), they’re in for a long, horrid few days.

Lets all hope for the best for our Cal mudpuppies and everyone in the fire zones.

15 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@Ashkee Colorado (06:13:57) :

Bigslick,

Thanks for your defense of the troops. I’m just an old Vietnam Vet who knows that we (the troops) do not necessarily choose our wars. I also believe that war is the most devastating on families (their side and ours).

Peace and Thanks again.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ashkee, thank you for being there to protect me, my family, and this great country. Defending you in debate is a drop in the bucket compared to what you have already given to me and my family.

The best way we can give back to our brave soldiers is to make sure we don’t ask them to risk their lives fighting senseless and illegal wars. If we do ask them to go to battle, we must honor our troops by making sure we only ask for them to act in a just and honorable cause.

Peace to you, brother.

15 11 2008
Grammy in PA

braveny:

New petition to tell Sara to Shut up and Go Home

*****

That petition is fantastic! Especially some of the comments, which will take hours to read but are outrageous (truthful, too!!!). I love it.

15 11 2008
drchill

Forty Watt (11:08:14) :
@ 2 drchill (10:01:18)
“Strength ( the muscular metaphor ) can be attained by anyone. (Not so with intelligence.):
A Lakoff and Johnson scholar by any chance?
———-
Nope, my own musings… I googled them and I see why you asked.
Thanks for replying.
oh and my # 11:
Strong emotion is always a distraction from thoughtful analysis…

15 11 2008
MizKay

@Nisperos (07:58:38) :
Thank you for the Molly Ivins post – I needed that.
And I want you to know that you are on my mind and in my prayers as the caretaker of your dear daughter. Thank you for sharing with us. You have our support.

And Shikago – sending hugs and support from here in SC. My trials are really so very small in comparison.

15 11 2008
Scott Palin

Shikago –

My heart goes out to you too. Sometimes life can be very hard to handle and it doesn’t seem to make any sense or seem fair.

Thought I would share some things that I have learned along the way that make it easier for me.

God never gives us more than we can handle. I’ve heard this many, many times before and then I heard from my spiritual teacher this “But you can give yourself more than you can handle.” Boy was that an eye opener for me. Many times God works through others (maybe all the time) and your awareness of needing some relief and hearing it also from friends is maybe a little prompt from God. Above all else, listen to your own heart.

Ever hear the expression “We aren’t physical beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a physical experience?” I always remember as I go through things to keep the “big” picture in mind.

I held my 2 week old grandson in my arms after taking him off life support 10 yrs ago. I felt his spirit leave his body 10-15 seconds before he died physically. I know that there is a difference between our spiritual body and our physical body. I learned we are all eternal – not matter what we believe or do here.

One more thing (maybe) – Take care of yourself first, so you can help take care of others! This is something many caregivers forget.

Love & Light to you –

Tea fire update – not under control, but seems to be dying down and more manageable.

15 11 2008
Grammy in PA

braveny:

That petition is great. A must sign for all Palin loathers. I don’t know if she’ll ever really get it but it was nice to vent anyway (along w/ 1600+ others.

http://www.petitiononline.com/1113nov8/petition.html

15 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

I found an article in a Seattle paper from back in Sept.. Seems like a lifetime ago, but for the many of you who are new to the mudflats community and for many who don’t know Barbie’s history, this is a small chunk of the life of Palin as Govenor Evil.

From a jr hs bandmate getting an $80k job, to intimidating an AK blogger, there’s little Barbie wouldn’t do.

A very interesting read on a fairly slow political news day..

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008178167_palin14.html

15 11 2008
Goalie in NM

@austintx,

Wow…stand up bass. Very cool. I’m always amazed at others talents. Carnegie Hall! What an honor – and exciting, too.

As I remember it, the owner of Dry Creek was a gal who was pretty skinny and hard looking. But that’s with a memory of 30+ years..she didn’t have much of a menu for beer and of course there was no food. Seems like Lone Star was about it at the time. Maybe Shiner, too; but it was slim pickin’s fer sure.

15 11 2008
drchill

Maybe someone from the lower 48 & Hawaii will like thist-shirt a lot…

Hi Sarah!
Obama Logo
Bye Sarah

http://www.huhcorp.com/

15 11 2008
nswfm CA

Marty VA, I’ve lived here in So Cal over 30 years, and Mother Nature declares war on us every year. If it isn’t the fires, it’s the mudslides that come after. Ironically, we had the Great Shakeout drill to prep for an earthquake on the day the Montecito fire started.

The best part is that we have wonderful firefighters because they have way too much practice! The brushfire clearing in LA and Ventura Counties is extremely strict, as it should be. I particularly point these two counties out not to diss the other counties, but because there are laws to clear brush in these two where if you don’t do it, they will and will charge you for it. If they didn’t enforce this, it would really be worse than it is. They don’t mess around with this.

It is really clear as to why when you look at a topographical map and see where the desert hits the mountains. They form a Y near LA and Ventura County, and then the wind funnels into the area, gets even hotter and faster and drier. The laws of physics–no way to change it–just to prepare as best you can. It just makes the fire conditions worse.

Please send gentle rains this way. Or get the wind to change direction from the ocean and bring lots of moisture.

15 11 2008
lettersfromeurope

No snow, just “Frischer Süßer” to drink here. Am envying that tree scene. That looks like real weather. Good Night Muflats, good luck with the count and the now and the future.

Good Night and Good Luck

Tata

15 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com (07:19:14) :

Found this article and realize we’re really a long, long way off from real Change..!

http://www.wapt.com/politics/17925627/detail.html

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If you read the whole article, you will see that specific individuals are abusing their positions of authority in a racist manner by prohibiting these kids from celebrating in violation of their 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech.

However, these offensive individuals were then in turn properly disciplined and an attempt to correct the situation is being made by the higher authorities involved. They can’t make the racist act go away, but the authorities do respond in a manner that we were only just dreaming about in 1968.

In past, the SYSTEMATIC abuse of 1st Amendment Rights would have continued up the chain of authority, and in fact these kids might very well have faced additional abuse, illegal incarceration, or even physical abuse up to being lynched and murdered.

Yes, we have a ways yet to go. But don’t discard the efforts that have brought us so very very far from where we were just 40 years ago. To do so would disrespect and denigrate the accomplishments of such great people as Dr. King and Rosa Parks, whose actions have benefited our society so immensely.

To the opposite of your view, I see this story play out as validation that society itself has indeed changed for the better, even if small-minded racist individuals still remain in our midst. Where you see reason to despair, I see reason to celebrate and hope for even greater milestones to be achieved.

15 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

NSWFM, Im in the northern VA area, and it’s grey and gloomy and currently pouring rain… if there was a way to move it to you guys, i’m sure everyone in va would agree. What’s happening here is just so completely frustrating since it’s so easy to take for granted while people in CA would give anything for a soaking rain right now.

Seeing all the homes just going up in flames with no one even bothering to put them out is just heartbreaking.

We all hope there is a break in the Santa Ana winds and some rain heads your way. I can’t even imagine how miserable it must be there. Lets hope it calms down soon!

15 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Bigslick, lets hope you’re right. My fear is those in authority only reacted because it made the news. sadly, there are bigots and racists in all corners of America and while we’ve made huge strides and certainly, with the election of Obama, there is hope for us all.

But the comment earlier that white supremist groups are having a recruiting bonanza over Obama’s Presidency makes one wonder how far we really have gone. It’s pathetic to think anyone would want to resurrect the KKK and other hate based groups, but sadly, there are uneducated, hate-filled people who deserve very little, and in the end, they’ll find what their pathetic lives were really worth, zero.

15 11 2008
MonaLisa (in CT)

Testing the re-alteration of my mudpuppy moniker. Did it ‘take’?

15 11 2008
austintx

Any Sarah sightings up yonder ???…….or is she still at the pool??the dark and perverse part of my brain can’t shake the visual of Rosie and Sarah “having a beer”……..pie baby pie !!!

15 11 2008
MonaLisa (in CT)

(yup!)😎

15 11 2008
nswfm CA

Marty, thanks for the water thoughts. In the LA area, there are so many people in that fire area, the main thing is getting them evacuated. Also, there are some main arteries/roads that are now F’ed up because of the fire. The wind was too high to let planes get in there and unfortunately, the people come first, then things.

When I was a little kid in the early 1970s, there was a fire from Chatsworth to Malibu that jumped over the freeway when we were trying to get home. Still scares the crap out of my mom who was in the front seat with her friend driving and the 2 pairs of sisters in the back seat.

15 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

Chief Shikago (10:13:48) :

ira2 (10:03:30) :
Again, I truely am sorry to anyone who may be scared or offended in anyway, I sincerely apologize.

bbl
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My heart goes out to you.

This is too much for one person to bear alone and it sounds like you are coming to that cathartic realization via spilling on this blog.

Reach out for help now!

You deserve support, your spouse deserves support, and if her family won’t/can’t pitch in you most definitely should go to any or all of the organizations that might offer relief – faith-based, research-based, whatever, if they can give you even a moment’s peace so that you can take some time for maintaining yourself then take it without shame or regret of any kind.

Know that others care. I do.

BigSlick

15 11 2008
Alaskan Dave Down Under

Topic: Don Young

I had a good friend from Ft. Yukon (Don Young’s home village) and I asked him one time why the folks from there and from other bush communities vote for him. He said, “Because they don’t ever want him to come back.”

I got the same answer from folks from other rural villages. They just vote for him so he never comes back to muck things up locally.

Sad, eh?

15 11 2008
ocliberal

My town is on fire. I think we are safe but the sky is black with smoke and it is like night outside.

It was the strangest thing as less than 2 hours ago the sky was bright blue. The fire moved in from the east and so far 12 houses have burned. The SA winds were brutal this morning but appear to be dying down. The fire is on the East side of town 11 miles directly East from us. We are on the west side of town, about 3 miles from the hills.

I was watching the Sylmar fire on TV which is 50 miles from us and was startled to look outside and see a gray cloud in the sky. Suddenly the TV changed with breaking news to say the fire was coming into Yorba Linda.

Nothing to do but sit tight, watch the news, calm the dogs and pray for friends who are being evacuated.

15 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

@ Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com (12:09:14) :

Bigslick, lets hope you’re right. My fear is those in authority only reacted because it made the news. sadly, there are bigots and racists in all corners of America and while we’ve made huge strides and certainly, with the election of Obama, there is hope for us all.

But the comment earlier that white supremist groups are having a recruiting bonanza over Obama’s Presidency makes one wonder how far we really have gone. It’s pathetic to think anyone would want to resurrect the KKK and other hate based groups, but sadly, there are uneducated, hate-filled people who deserve very little, and in the end, they’ll find what their pathetic lives were really worth, zero.

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Whether it took a push for the authorities to respond or not, the response was in the right direct — the social norm is now to repudiate the racist, to support the 1st Amendment Rights of those kids.

Before, the social norm was to deny rights and to lynch the complainers, whether the authorities did it themselves or simply allowed it to be done. Now the it is the reverse. We still have a ways to go if you expect to never have racist incidents occur at all, or that pushing on the authorities to act not be required. We can always improve, because I doubt we will ever reach perfection though I don’t suggest we should strive for anything less.

The resurgence of White Supremacist organizations is much more alarming than an isolated incident here and there as it is systemic action (albeit counter-authority) and needs to be monitored closely. This resurgence was expected, the racists even announced that they welcomed an Obama victory so they could recruit and feel that they had a purpose again!

Again, in most areas of the USA the social norm now places these organizations on the fringe, whereas back in the 60’s it was a completely different landscape. Even if not overtly approved of by official authorities, in many areas participating in the KKK was an acceptable local social norm, to the point that entire regions were opted-in to tolerance of the practice of violent racist politics.

I would posit that fewer areas of the USA would today support these overt racist organizations within the structure of local social norms than did prior to 1968 and that even fewer would tolerate the kind of racially-motivated violent oppression that was still widespread up until the 60’s.

Although the potential for violence does indeed still exist it is confined to smaller strongholds such as the Couer D’Alene area of Northern Idaho and a number of locations in the Deep South and Texas. Other at-risk rural areas definitely exist in larger states such as Alaska or those of the Western USA where isolated communities might actually even regress back into tolerance of deep-seated racism after once repudiating racist values on the surface level. Some communities simply never progressed to denying racism in the first place I am sure.

But I also firmly believe that the overall trend in America is towards racial tolerance, not tolerance of racism. For every racist organization that strengthens teir numbers I believe there will be a more powerful counter-reaction by the majority who will not tolerate the success of these organizations.

They may get a bump in numbers for the time being, but how long will it last? That remains to be seen.

15 11 2008
More Light than Heat

@ ocliberal
I was wondering if you were affected by the fire(s) in Yorba Linda, Corona, Anaheim Hills. Seems these fires are taking what didn’t burn last year (or was it the year before?)… Stay safe!

The Sylmar fire has jumped the 5 and is also working its way up towards Santa Clarita — still on the east side of the 14.

Weather in SoCal this time of year is so odd… normally our wind comes off the ocean. Not so with the Santa Anas. Up here in the high desert, our temps are low 70s and minimal wind. Not so “down below” where the wind comes screaming down through the passes, sucking out the humidity and raising the temps.

My thoughts are with all who are in the path or even just nervously watching.

15 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

OT /

Good article from Dick Cavett The Wild Wordsmith of Wasilla

About Palinese speak lol

“”A woman in one of Palin’s crowds praised her for being “a mom like me … who thinks the way I do” and added, for ill measure, “That’s what I want in the White House.” Fine, but in what capacity?””

read more @
http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla/

15 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

Dear Chief Shikago,

I really have very little to offer to the above comments other than to say that you MUST find a way to get at least temporary help so that you can have some time away to 1) maintain your sense of self and 2) figure out what your permanent solutions should be.

I’ve always thought that you must be an amazing guy. As you have shared more and more of your life with us, I am now sure of it. But one amazing guy can’t do everything alone. Let us know how we can help, even if its just by listening.

15 11 2008
braveny

@nswfm CA
I am in Van Nuys so not in danger.. but have friends and family I am praying for. The freeways are a mess.. My daughter had to take side streets up to the evacuation center in Granada Hills.

New fires in Anaheim Hills.. this is crazy. I have lived through this fire season (every fall) most of my life in the San Fernando Valley.. every year it seems to get worse. Deep down inside I always wonder if the winds bring out the fire bugs. They still haven’t stated a reason for the current fires that are burning.

I feel so sad for the folks in the mobile home park that lost their homes… 500 homes lost. That is just devastating. Plus the fact that they had to leave so fast.

15 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

MizKay (05:47:15) :
I don’t want to diss any belivers [sic] on here, but I thought it interesting that the Roman Catholic Diocese of S.C. has issued a response to Fr. Newman’s pastoral letter.
Priest’s letter on sinfulness of Obama voters officially repudiated
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Mizkay has mistakenly given some people (who obviously didnt’t read the link) the impression that this never happened.

Here is the offending SC priest himself, starring on Fox news.

http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2008/11/fr-jay-scott-newman.html

The fact that some beleaguered administrator with no authority is left trying to smoothe things over makes no difference. The priest needs to be disciplined, and the archbishop needs to speak up.

Or is this religious oppression being carried out with the permission of Archbishop of Atlanta?

15 11 2008
15 11 2008
MomsHugs Gnat (aka Eve)

Shikago: Obviously you’re at a breaking point or you wouldn’t be posting a call for help here. If this is true, then do not wait to yell loudly for help first from your wife’s doctor. Doctor’s orders are required before hospice can provide in-home respite for caregivers, or she may need to be in an institution now. Sorry if I’m being presumptous, but here’s the short list for Chicago…

1. U. of Chicago Hospice: 1-888-UCH-0200
2. Hospice now provides in-home respite care.
3. Social Services Hotline: 211
4. Call The Ark: 773-973-1000

The Ark has medical and legal clinics, crisis intervention, counseling services, and emergency financial aid.
Email: ark@arkchicago.org
Website: http://www.arkchicago.org

Shikago, you also need to see a doctor for your own health. Prolonged high stress can bring on clinical depression & do a lot of physical damage as well. It can bring on shingles so if you had chicken pox as a child – get vaccinated! Shingles can develop into extreme painful post-herpetic neuralgia, lasting up to a year.

At some point you may need legal advice if she needs institutional care. If you don’t have a lawyer, call The Ark.

{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}

16 11 2008
txdemocrat

@mmboucher (Florida) (09:24:45) :

It was Levi who had the ring tattooed on him, because he had lost an earlier one that Bristol gave him while hunting
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WHY was he wearing a ring if they are not married yet?? Back when Palin was first introduced to the national stage, I vaguely remember someone posting here on mudflats some local gossip…that the 2 were already married long before Palin became the VP running mate. It was in the middle of babygate and questions on who really was Trig’s mother. Just IMHO, that picture link posted upthread of Bristol in the convenience store surrounded by like 5 people (on Nov 4th when Palin was up there voting)…she would have been almost 8 months along, yet she doesn’t look any more pregnant than she did at the convention. Guess time will tell, on or around Dec 18th is her due date (per Levi). If she is not seen toting her own baby around AK, it will be a telling sign. Unless, of course, she IS seen with a baby and Trig is the baby’s big brother.
And with all the blabbing Palin has been doing about her future plans, why no talk of being excited about being a new grandmother???

17 11 2008
Flowering Moon

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