Election Eve in Alaska. Again. Sort of.

11 11 2008

Alaska’s election is not over. There is no rest for the weary. The giant bottle of Tums still sits just to the right of my keyboard.

But, tomorrow, a chunk of the 91,000 outstanding ballots in Alaska will be counted.

For days, the count has been frozen. Sen. Ted Stevens leads Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich by about 3,000 votes with roughly 30 percent of the ballots remaining to be counted, including:

• 61,000 absentee votes.

• More than 20,000 questioned ballots.

• 9,500 early votes.

Of those, at least two-thirds of the absentee votes and nearly all the early votes are expected to be counted Wednesday, said Division Director Gail Fenumiai.

Election workers began poring over questioned ballots Monday in Anchorage, a process that will likely continue through the final count, which is expected Nov. 19.

Meantime, absentee votes are still arriving in the mail and precincts are sending in more questioned ballots.

Here are the squeakers:

With a little more than 90,000 ballots left to count:

U.S. SENATE: Sen. Ted Stevens (R) leads Mayor Mark Begich (D) by about 3,257 votes.

STATE HOUSE (District 19): Pete Petersen (D) leads Rep. Bob Roses (R) by 136 votes.

STATE HOUSE (district 27): Rep. Bob Buch (D) leads Bob Lewis (R) by 67 votes.

 

<!–[if !supportEmptyParas]–><!–[endif]–> Bev Harris, election guru from Black Box Voting was on KUDO today, urging Alaskans and all Americans not  to “get complacent.According to Harris, when numbers don’t’ add up, when books don’t reconcile, we need to act. She points out the dangerous mindset of only caring about election issues when it appears as though the outcome of the race will be affected.  Regardless of the closeness of the race, or whether our candidate is ahead, we need to challenge these anomalies on principle.  Every vote should count, and be counted properly regardless of the other votes surrounding it.   And just because the leadership changes, don’t assume the problems get fixed.

So, what about Alaska?  Harris was circumspect, but indicated that there were several red flags, and things which would need closer scrutiny….after the final numbers are in.  The thing that concerns her most of all is the fact that all Alaska votes are counted on a central tabulator in Anchorage.

This particular system, explains Harris, has “a number that you never see, an internal number that identifies which candidate is which.As absentee votes come in, and are counted, this number can be manually flipped back and forth by the individual operating the machine. Harris characterizes this type of system as “reeeally dangerous” because there are no checks & balances.

The fact that Bev Harris calls our system “really dangerous” is enough to make me think I may not sleep well tonight.

In addition, when an Anchorage voter votes in the polling place, there’s a tape at the end of the day that is associated with each particular voting machine.  With absentee voting there is no voting machine tape. Totals can literally be adjusted as they come in. A manual entry screen allows anyone with access to the machine to type over the old totals and make new ones. Scary, but true.

So, what do Alaskans need to do?  Harris has counseled an engaged group in Alaska to get audit logs, and copy information from the database as often as possible during the counting process.  Why?  Because it is our right to do so, and because we KNOW that they were tampered with in Alaska in 2004.  We just don’t know who did it.  There are eyeballs in the right places this year, but vigilance by all citizens is critical.

There is much we don’t know.  But we DO know that Bev Harris and Black Box Voting is paying close attention to our results.  And while she has said that  in Alaska “there are some very interesting issues to be looked at”, she’s playing her cards close to her chest until the numbers are all in.  More than half the uncounted ballots will be tallied tomorrow, and the final numbers are due in on November 19th, one week later.

We wait and watch.


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11 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

1st?

11 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

What do I win, what do I win?

11 11 2008
Sandy Beach

I wrote to the e-mail addresses listed a couple of days ago to volunteer to help with the count but got no response. Maybe all the counting is going on in Anchorage and none in Juneau? This is scary stuff indeed.

Last I heard, they were fully staffed. So, that’s good news. Maybe it happened quickly. 🙂 AKM

11 11 2008
empish (wasilla)

did I? make first?

11 11 2008
empish (wasilla)

alas, but will keep on keeping on

11 11 2008
ira2

So… who are the people who enter the numbers into that machine in Anchorage?

11 11 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

It seems if they have a system to audit they should use it. This is perhaps the chance to catch these guys with their pants around their knees. If some of them finally get caught and it is given media attention it will put more people on alert. Voter fraud in one form or another has been going on forever. I just watched a special on PBS where talking about Lyndon Johnson loosing his first try at the senate because he didn’t know he had to buy off certain counties in Texas to win. But it needs to have a bright light shined on it. Alaska has the best oppotunity to get to the bottom of it because your population is smaller and the task of auditing everything much less than say Florida.

11 11 2008
empish (wasilla)

still time to get your questions in to the Larry King Show for his interview with Sarah tomorrow. Already sent mine in.

11 11 2008
nebraskanative

8? Does that count?

11 11 2008
nebraskanative

or nine *sigh*

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

Debbie – I taped the PBS Johnson show but it is buried somewhere in about 30 unlabelled tapes from the election. It will be a surprise.

Did anyone see the companion special on Nixon where he later admitted he didn’t really believe Voorhees or Gahagan Douglas were Communists but winning was everything.

Maybe Greta will ask Sarah if she really believes Obama has terrorist sympathies or was winning everything?

OMG – she thought McCain would be the perfect running mate!
He will be very flattered.

11 11 2008
NoCalGal

Saw Shannon Moore on Rachel Maddow’s show. You Alaskan progressives ROCK! Thanks as alwasy AKM for your tireless efforts to inform the public.

And I did not (yet) peruse the other threads for today (too much work)- so let me add here, that I send my respect, regards and profound admiration to all Vets on this memorable day. 11th hour, 11th day, of the 11th month- the war to end all wars ended.. oh, if only…

Thanks AKM!!

11 11 2008
Sandy Beach

It just occurred to me to call my attorney friend whose idea of a vacation is to go to eastern European countries to observe elections–wondered if she would be involved in the recount process. Turns out, she is on the list to be an observer here in Juneau but they are not sure they need her. So apparently they are covered. She said she’d give her contact my number if it turns out they do need more.

She also told me this: She went to Ohio for Election Day! She joined 3400 other attorneys to observe the election there. About half of them, like her, were from elsewhere and paid their own expenses to do it. She said that they also put 5400 attorneys in Florida for the same purpose! So I suspect that all those highly trained observers were one reason Obama took those states!

I read AKM’s summary of Bev Harris’s descriptions of our voting machines to my friend over the phone. She didn’t know about the design flaws in the system for counting the absentee and early votes. (Apparently the machines used on election day are OK.) She was none too pleased.

Good to know that sharp minds are on the case.

11 11 2008
mhrt oregon

who would have thought AK would have got hit with this….I really thought when I went to bed Tuesday night that AK would be blue when I woke up in the morning…….jm and bo were ….what 3 or 4 points apart……I wonder how long this has been going on in AK…..maybe your 3 votes really do count…..listening to RM on the radio now…..she was just talking about AK

11 11 2008
ira2

I just had a thought – off topic, of course, as always – about one of the comments in a previous thread mentioning again that the school in Idaho, where Palin finally managed to get her degree, honored her with some distinguished something-or-other award. Now, considering how bare of knowledge her brain is and how sunnily she proves it with every sentence, you’d think that any school that’s ever tried to teach her anything and failed so miserably would hide quietly in the shadows. And yet, the one school who gave her that degree is also the one who “honors” her for her achievements? Huh? I’d like to know if they possibly at some point in the past got a nice donation from someone connected to Palin. It’d probably have to be a pretty substantial donation, all things considered. Unless the school is otherwise influenced by Palin-backers and/or family, perhaps?

11 11 2008
strangelet

AKM — I may have missed this, but is there really evidence of vote tampering in the 2004 election? The 100%+ voter turnout numbers Shannyn flagged were, I’m certain, a misinterpretation. From looking at the spreadsheet, it’s pretty obvious there was a two-card ballot, and the “Turnout %” was really number-of-cards-per-voter; that is, the real turnout of whole voters would be 1/2 the figure given, or 50-60%.

Yes. There is concrete evidence that the central tabulator file was tampered with. They just don’t know who did it because it registered as “administrator” and anyone with access could have done it. Bev Harris also mentioned this today. Sad but true. AKM

11 11 2008
mhrt oregon

Ira2
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we really don’t know how many school out there have the same like thinking of palin and company…..look at the school that michelle bachmann was from…..they are like minded…..almost clones…..remember the seven mountains…scary….

11 11 2008
Dee

How many people live in Alaska? How is it possible to have 90 thousand uncounted ballots a week after the election?

Alaska accepts ballots as long as they are postmarked by midnight on election day. Then they have 10 days to arrive in state. So they will be coming in until Nov. 14th. AKM

11 11 2008
strangelet

Sandy Beach (18:08:13) : Please thank your attorney friend for me, and I’m sure for all Mudflatters. Is there any way we can chip in to partly reimburse her expenses? I’m sure that the active presence of legal pros in OH and FL did a lot to ensure a fair vote.

11 11 2008
BigPete

Wonkette on Rachel Maddow’s show raised the possibility of an ‘Alien vs. Predator Smackdown’ between Romney and Palin for all the Republican marbles.
Mudflatters should cease to recoil in disgust at Palin…and start to look at the bright side of life.
What could be more delicious than a brutal knife fight between the mormon game show host and the killa from wasilla? Mormons vs. Frreecs, at the same time that the Republicans are going on and on about being more inclusive.

So cheer up, it should be really fun. No seriously.

11 11 2008
Siege (GA)

Off topic and may have been discussed earlier but…

Who else saw the heels on Piper and who else heard the comments from Mommy when Matt Lauer was talking to Piper?

I have only seen clips but-
What was with the HIGH HEELS Piper had on in the kitchen. Ridiculous outfit for a young child- An “I heart NY” t shirt, stylish dark bootleg jeans, and REALLY high heels…and these were not princess slippers! Were they Mommy’s shoes and I missed the joke on that?

Worse, the conversation between Piper, Matt and Mommy made my heart sick. Sweet child was saying that the hard part of the campaign was the rallies. Mom prods Piper to tell what was so bad about the rallies (SP says- All the waving and saying “Vote for my mom”?) and turns out Piper did not like the long speeches her mom gave. SP tried to jest about it but it was clear she was critical and sarcastic as she joked. She said something along the lines of “Oh yeah, that was SO hard watching Mommy give all those speeches.”

SP was so defensive about the school Piper missed and jumped right into the “life lessons” and the things the kids will never forget. So did they withdraw the children and home school them while on the trail or just decide the rules do not apply to them, as usual? There are rules and laws about school attendance…even for children of Mrs. Palin, her Highness.

11 11 2008
strangelet

Dee — it looks like they decided to wait a few days to let absentee ballots come in before actually starting a full-bore count. Kind of an odd decision, but we do know that our AK friends like to do things their own way.

11 11 2008
strangelet

BigPete (18:20:15) :

I’m with you, as long as neither side achieves nuclear capability before the primaries.

11 11 2008
Georgia peach

ok, maybe I’m being to literary, but does anyone have a problem with the code name that the Secret Service gave Obama’s youngest? It’s really freaking me out.

11 11 2008
Dee

That’s just such a HUGE #. Wonder how long all this will take.

11 11 2008
Susan in PA

Ira2:

The college that is giving SP an award is not the college from which she ultimately (finally) got her diploma. The college giving her an award is North Idaho College.

From Slate.com: “Next stop: North Idaho College in Coeur d’Alene. (Palin was born in Idaho.) Here, Johnson writes, they “immersed themselves in a more traditional college life” and lived in a coed dorm. According to Ketchum, Palin, who enrolled as a general studies major, remained interested primarily in sports, but Palin spent a semester working in a TV production studio. This past June, North Idaho College’s Alumni Association named Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin a distinguished alumna and invited her to give the commencement address in 2009. But Palin attended the school for only one year—a spokeswoman for the college told the Associated Press, “We were not able to track down club affiliations or anything”—before departing. ”

The Slate article is the first I’ve found that details her college wanderings – interesting stuff.

http://www.slate.com/id/2201332/

11 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

ira2 (18:12:13) :
I’d like to know if they possibly at some point in the past got a nice donation from someone connected to Palin. It’d probably have to be a pretty substantial donation, all things considered. Unless the school is otherwise influenced by Palin-backers and/or family, perhaps?
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Nope, no donation, and they don’t have a clue who she is, either. But how could they resist?😉

11 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ Georgia peach (18:24:48)

“….does anyone have a problem with the code name that the Secret Service gave Obama’s youngest? It’s really freaking me out.

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Is it the Citizen Kane reference that’s freaking you out, or is there something else here I’m missing?

I must admit I didn’t have a problem with Rosebud because I thought of just that–a beautiful little flower to be.

11 11 2008
Susan in PA

Oops, just saw that SP has a “leadership award” named after her at her alma mater, University of Idaho. What were they thinking??

11 11 2008
peter d

Hard times in Alaska. You got the felons , crooks, lyres, and now you have to keep an eye on the bean counter, or they cook the books no you.

11 11 2008
Georgia peach

look up rosebud on wiki; I only know the reference because I had a professor who thought he was so wicked.

11 11 2008
ira2

Thanks, Aussie and Susan – I’d rather be wrong than have those suspicions confirmed! Never went to college myself, but would like to hold on to the belief that education is actually a pretty honest business.

(Don’t nobody blow dat bubble for me now, y’hear?)

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

SHE’S EATING BRIAN (OR BRENDA)!!!

I hate her.

11 11 2008
mhrt oregon

Ira2
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sorry then ..we do know michelle bachmann got her education at a fudnie college…and I know that I read some high school teacher showed her students that terrible DVD that the repug group put in the sunday papers……i do think we have to keep our eyes open

I also would like to know what rosebud means besides a rose that is not open yet…….

11 11 2008
11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Hey, all. It’s ridiculous that in this day and age, we have such a haphazard voting system. Come on! We are pushing democracy all around the world, and we can’t even ensure it in our own damn country? Sheesh.

I haven’t seen Rachel’s show yet today, but I can’t wait to see Shannyn Moore. I admire how much work she (Shannyn) has put into reporting on all things Alaskan politics.

Now that the election is over, my appetite for all things Palin has plummeted. I really think she loves playing the martyr, and I, for one, am sick of it.

I took the day off from all things political yesterday because I had reached critical mass. Now what do we do?

Georgia Peach, I raised an eyebrow at “Rosebud”, too, but it does fit Sasha. I think Malia is going to be a stunner.

11 11 2008
halcrow

@ Sandy Beach (18:08:13) :
“She also told me this: She went to Ohio for Election Day! She joined 3400 other attorneys to observe the election there. About half of them, like her, were from elsewhere and paid their own expenses to do it. She said that they also put 5400 attorneys in Florida for the same purpose!

Good to know that sharp minds are on the case.”

Good? It’s extremely sad that in the United States of America, in 2008, 6,800 attorneys were deemed necessary to monitor the voting process in just two states.

In Canada, Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom, France, New Zealand, etc., do you know how many lawyers it takes to monitor our voting processes? None: nary a one.

It took a mere 80 insurgents and Fidel Castro to overthrow Cuba’s army and its dictator, Batista, and thus liberate the country and its people.

11 11 2008
Bea

Finally got through last thread and this one. Reposting this from previous in case UK Lady is still around.

UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady (17:22:45) :

Can you post update – can’t get show?

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Try Channelsurfing http://channelsurfing.net/ (scroll down to MSNBC, opens in new window) or BlinkoTV http://blinkotv.com/ (choose MSNBC from “Now Playing” just above the video box)

Channelsurfing was offair for MSNBC for awhile, but appears to be working fine now. Be sure to shrink the BlinkTV window down if you use it so you don’t have to see the nasty Free Republicesque chat room!

11 11 2008
Zim in Oz

…and…also…when SP asks Piper to comment (re 2012) she calls her ‘sista’ ?

huh ? endearment ? religious ?

11 11 2008
Patricia in New Mexico

I volunteered to be an Election Challenger for Early Vote and on Election Day. I think we all need to volunteer to help manage and oversee our election system. Even in years when we may not care as much (like that will ever happen again!).

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Rosebud was the sled in Citizen Kane. I just think it’s an odd choice for a little girl.

ira2, there are a lot of colleges that are not on the up and up, and it’s relatively easy to game the system at most of the legit ones. Sad, really, but true.

11 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Hamlets Mill:

Thanks for the link to those maps. Very interesting. I would love to see one for evangelicals – ha ha!

11 11 2008
Lori W.

Way OT, but the latest posts on this blog are getting very interesting indeed!
http://www.palindeception.com/blog/

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Bea, thanks for letting me know about channelsurfing hosting MSNBC again. I much rather watch Keith and Rachel real time!

11 11 2008
Bea

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (18:57:48) :

Rosebud was the sled in Citizen Kane. I just think it’s an odd choice for a little girl.
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The rumor I’ve always heard about that was that Rosebud was an “insider” dig at William Randolph Hearst (on whose life the movie was modeled) b/c it was his…. um… pet name for his mistress’….um… lady part.

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

asiangrrl – do not watch SP on Greta. You will want to bang her head against the wall.

Even I, who have delighted in watching SP make an as* out of herself, have reached my limit.

Her ego is beyond the beyond. If anyone disaagrees with her, they are closed or narrow minded.

I taped Lauer but haven’t watched it. Will do likewise tomorrow and with the King interview.

Greta is revolting. No more Greta regardless of the crime case du jour.

11 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Marty:

Re: Rosebud definition – I’m surprised you didn’t get put in the spam filter with that graphic language!🙂

It did strike me as an odd name, though I couldn’t figure out why. However, I’m willing to give the secret service the benefit of the doubt, I guess.

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Greetings, mudpuppies, from the Cornhusker state. I am helping my stepmom, who has cancer; she resides in a small blue dot in a sea of red- the first time the Second Congressional District went Democratic since 1964 (lol) One of her dear friends is a mudpuppy, although she hasn’t discovered Mudflats; we high-fived each other when we thought my stepmom wasn’t looking.

Seige-
I’ve felt the Palins have had a disfunctional family since I first learned about them- and I don’t think it is due to living in Alaska. The girls have gone on junkets with mom for the last two years; you and I would have them in school, living as normal a life as possible- I believe the Gov sees this as normal. Yes, there are school policies in every state/district about classroom attendance- perhaps she/school officials feel the rules don’t apply to her. In Colorado, the kids can withdraw/be homeschooled- but that involves a lot of paperwork and jumping through hoops in the beginning. They also (at least in Colorado) could have a tutor from the district; work goes home through the tutor, and tutor teaches lessons, grades work, coordinates with classroom teacher/s to make sure the student is progressing.

AKM- thank you for your web site; at least I can find out what’s happening here plus CNN. I love my stepmom a lot, and she has refrained from (most) right wingnut comments about the elections, shootings in Omaha’s “bad neightborhoods” (she reminds me where they are), and the economy. I’d play mind games with her, but now is not the time:)

I am waiting for the ballots to be counted- not so patiently, but I hope the process is done fairly- good there are plenty of observers.

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

It was the sled in Citizen Kane but wasn’t it also the last symbol of his childhood happiness? Not sure.

I really think they just named her that as a symbol of childhood beauty and innocence and in alliterates with Radiance, her lovely older sister.
I’m so proud of those girls, they could be my own children!

Welcome back, Asian Grrrrl, BTW.

11 11 2008
Democrat G (formerly G)

DEAR ALL ALASKANS:

(AKM – if this is the WRONG place for this message, please let me know and I will happily post somewhere else, but I hope that some attention is brought to this matter.)

First, thank you to the MANY of you who OPPOSED Proposition 8 in CA. There were MORE people in Alaska OPPOSED than who supported. However, here are the list of people I received who SUPPORTED Prop. 8

DIANNE GRAHAM $100 BETHEL AK 99559 LOWER KUSKOKWIM SCHOOL DISTRICT Support

DONNA MARSH $150 PETERSBURG AK 99833 N/A Support

GARRET SLAUGENHOUP $200 ANCHORAGE AK 99501 BPXA Support

JACQUELINE HUTCHINS $100 ANCHORAGE AK 99516
N/A Support

JARRETT BARRETT $100 WASILLA AK 99654 AMERICAN HYPERBARIC CENTER Support

JOHN B WHITE $5,000 BENTONVILLE AK 72712 BLACKWOON INDUSTRIES, INC Support

LAWRENCE CUTTING $100 ANCHORAGE AK 99503 MARSH CREEK Support

LESLIE SAUMUCBER $5,000 BENTONVILLE AK 72712 N/A Support

SHERRY LILLY $100 BATTLE GROUND AK 98604 BATTLE GROUND SCHOOL DIST Support

You can check out the people who SUPPORTED and OPPOSED Prop 8 with FINANCIAL DONATIONS at the following site

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-metro-prop-8,0,2463893.htmlstory

I hope that EVERYONE will research people and companies that donated to SUPPORT HATE. I am ALL for FREEDOM to donate and FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I am also all FOR the power of BOYCOTTING if someone wants to….

11 11 2008
Bea

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (19:02:40) :

Bea, thanks for letting me know about channelsurfing hosting MSNBC again. I much rather watch Keith and Rachel real time!
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You’re welcome and ME TOO! Live Keith and Rachel are vastly better than day-old chopped-up K&R. However, it does mean that I get panicky about being away from my laptop between 8 and 10… or 10 and midnight if I have to hit the immediate reruns. Oh Keith and Rachel, why are you so deliciously irresistable? 😉

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

lock pepper – yes that is the symbolism of Rosebud – lost innocence, childhood.

I call babies rosebud all the time. It’s a term of endearment – beautiful, sweet, fragile.

I like the alliteration also. But Michelle’s name is the best of all.

11 11 2008
Suchanut_AK

I can’t watch Sarah anymore…unless it is a little bite on Rachel or Keith. And they are irresistable!

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

What’s Michelle’s name? The Great Earth Mother? Queen of all that is lovely?

I give up~

11 11 2008
Sandy Beach

strangelet (18:18:55) :

Thanks for the kind words and I will thank her for you.🙂

halcrow (18:53:55) :

It’s not just sad, it’s damn scary. Anyone alive in 2000 knows that! The repercussions of that stolen election are impossible to fathom. Which is why I’m relieved to know that some very smart people are working on it.

11 11 2008
Suchanut_AK

Michelle is Renaissance

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Deep, i’d never use bad language on the revered and ultra polite Mudflats nation!

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Dragon Lady, Keith Olbermann is playing snippets of the Matt Lauer/Sarah Palin interview, and I want to reach through the intertubes and throttle her.

Gah! Gah! Gah! Sarah Palin is talking about her faith. Gah!

I don’t watch Fox. I value my computer too much.

Bea, hm. I did not know that about William Hearst. Ok, Secret Service, mebbe you need to change Sasha’s code name to just Rose.

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

Suchanut_AK (19:13:46) :

Michelle is Renaissance
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

OMG–that is PERFECT!!!

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

I will have nightmares after watching SP on Greta.

One heartbeat away. Terrifying how close we came. She’s a sociopath.

That chef’s jacket Piper is wearing probably belongs to the RNC.

Greta ate Brian or Brenda.

Sarah doesn’t eat.

11 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

I think Michelle’s name is Renaissance.

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Watching rerun of Rachel. How cute in her jammies and slippers .. ! she is just too cool!

11 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Marty:

Just kidding around with you – I know how much you respect all things mudflats!

And also – how are we doing on mudflats DC inaugural party?! Any more interest?

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

I so wonder what Greta was thinking when Scarah was whippin’ up those Moose Doggies. Do you think she heaved when she ate them out of politeness?

Why can’t Sarah sit on a couch and talk like normal people?–oh, I forgot, she screwed up when she did that with Charlie and Katie–maybe if she’s cooking she has more credibility, LOL!

11 11 2008
Lori W.

To: Deep Blue in VA: Your wish is my command (here is what the map would look like if Evangelicals………):
http://www.streetprophets.com/storyonly/2008/11/11/101153/16

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

lock pepper in honolulu, thanks! It’s good to be back in the ‘flats.

Keith gave a very moving Special Comment last night speaking out against Prop H8, and he was getting teary.

I think Keith and Rachel are irresistible because they are intelligent, insightful, but not overly blowhard. Plus, they are both funny.

I love Jon Stewart, too, but Bill O’Reilly is going to be on one day this week. I couldn’t listen to Bill Kristol, and I don’t think i can listen to O’Reilly.

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Deep, not much.. haven’t gotten anything new in a while. loads of spam.. guess putting the email on here attracts all sorts of email bots..

maybe i should say (and you too) that we’re looking at planning a pre-inaug party in DC and would love everyone to come! so far, the interest level is not very high.. so.. who’s comin to dc in january?

if you need a place, there are craigs listings for only $5000-20,000 for a week.

Seems fair, yea right.. greedy jerks everywhere.

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

We need a Mudflats Inaugural day where we all take off work, stay in pjs and bunny slippers all day, go to the lowest floor of our homes and BLOG ALL DAY with the tv on.

I bet Rachel would pj with us that day!

11 11 2008
Bea

Want to puke? Just popped over to Fox News on BlinkoTV and caught KKKarl Rove saying the biggest mistake Obama could make would be to “go far left as soon as he gets in b/c he campaigned as a centrist” and to do so would make him look like a “liar”.

And no, KKKarl did NOT seem to see the irony in what he was saying AT ALL.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Renegade, Renaissance, Radiance, and Rosebud. I love it! Joe Biden’s is Celtic, and Jill Biden’s is Capri.

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

lock pepper – yes – more credibility cooking – she’s a MOM – (but not a POW).
She looks like a deranged cooking show hostess.

She already has no gravitas and decides to cook and be a mom in order to rehabilitate her image. She can barely make moosedogs and talk at the same time.

She is such a fraud.

No dogs for Greta. She ate the moose stew while talking about how SP prefers to kill caribou. Greta ate Brian. Boycott Greta.

11 11 2008
Sandy Beach

I just looked up the contributors to Prop 8 in my town. I knew two of them! But they are both listed in the OPPOSED column. In fact, ALL the names listed were opposed. I like that…

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

halcrow-
The state of our election system is sad, indeed. I hope that someone/s work on this during the next 2-4 years and begin to fix it, and I don’t think it can be fixed with the newest technology. Perhaps universal registration dates/requirements, voter ID requirements, early voting, mail-in ballots- all states have the same basic rules. I know states like to do their own thing, but I feel this hodgepodge is detremental-

asiangrrl-
Now we move the country forward (after all the recounts, run-off take place). Maybe we can get involved in improving voting (League of Women Voters, Common Cause?), or work on health care issues (Divided We Fail), energy conservation (Denver has Greenprint Denver)…pick an issue you are passionate about, and start locally.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

I hate the conventional meme that we are a right-centrist nation and that Obama has to be cautious when he moves into the White House.

Bullpuckey! The right didn’t let a single day go by without beating Obama over the head with his liberalism (or, dare I bring it up again, socialism). Now, they want to claim it’s still a right-centrist country? Bite me.

11 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Marty:

Thanks for the update on the DC mudflats inaugural party that we hope may someday come to be. Maybe when it gets a little closer we should throw some more specifics out.

So far it looks like the mudflats community continues to thrive, post-election!

One tip for anyone looking to come to DC for Jan. 20 – you could look into home exchanging. I belong to a couple home exchange networks and I got an offer today from someone with a beach house who wanted to come here. I had to say no dice, of course, but it’s possible there are DC area residents who would rather be out of town for the big event (we do have a fair number of Republicans around here)…

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

They’re talking about moving Barack Obama’s mother in law (Michelle’s mom) into the white house.
I think that would be sweet–don’t leave her in Chicago.

Now what would be her Secret Service name…hmmm

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

CO Almost Native, yes, you are right. There is still much more work to be done. No rest for the weary. Thanks for reminding me!

11 11 2008
AKaurora

@Democrat G (formerly G) (19:06:45) :
I hope that EVERYONE will research people and companies that donated to SUPPORT HATE. I am ALL for FREEDOM to donate and FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I am also all FOR the power of BOYCOTTING if someone wants to….
____
Just to clarify, those from Bentonville are in Arkansas (AR), not Alaska (AK). All our zips start with 99…, I believe.

11 11 2008
Democrat G (formerly G)

THANK YOU SANDY BEACH! I APPRECIATE IT!

Did everyone know that it was only a few years ago (I think about 50-100 years) that different colored people could not marry each other? HOW STUPID!

How same sex couples cannot get married is complete BS!

The same BS arguments are being used as well as the same prejudices used to say that different colored people could not get married.

I LOVE Obama, but I would like to ask him what he thinks about different colored people not being able to get married and how that is different from saying that same sex couples cannot get married!

PS – the owner of the The Manchester Grand Hyatt and The Grand Del Mar in San Diego donated $100,000 SUPPORTING Prop 8 – up to all of you to make your decisions, but I will NEVER stay at either of those hotels – and am ashamed to say that I stayed at the Hyatt with my boyfriend one weekend…..NEVER AGAIN!

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Marty-
I would LOVE to come, and I even have a place to stay (my quirky repug brother-in-law). But I think there is a good chance I will be back here in Omaha, if my stepmom can get that far in her treatments. So I will watch on TV, and be with all mudflatters in spirit.

lock pepper-
Count me in- although I’ll have to rummage in my closet for the slippers (not bunny; multi-colored hawaiian print…my aloha feet:)

11 11 2008
Democrat G (formerly G)

AKaurora = THANK YOU!

I have been looking at states and names and donors for almost 4 hours straight…..I have to go to bed.

Have a great night everyone!

11 11 2008
Bea

Sandy Beach (19:24:05) :

I just looked up the contributors to Prop 8 in my town. I knew two of them! But they are both listed in the OPPOSED column.
____

I wonder what donor list they used b/c I contributed THREE times (once thru HRC and twice thru NoOn8) and I didn’t show up when I searched my zipcode, though happily all that did in my zip and the surrounding ones were OPPOSED!

11 11 2008
kvass

There is now another take on “audacity”. It might be considered audacious of electoral do-gooders to keep going abroad to monitor the elections of third world countries because we know better. Until this whole electoral system is overhauled and updated in a non-partison way you will never have a clear and clean election.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

lock pepper in honolulu, I think it would be great to have Michelle’s mother in the White House as she is the one who watched over the kids for the last two years. How about Reliant or Reliable? Not very flattering, I know. Riposte! Rainbow. I like that.

A friend of mine is considering getting married in Hawaii. I think that would be so cool.

11 11 2008
Sandy Beach

The other vote from Nov 4th that has been breaking my heart is Arkansas voting to exclude same-sex couples from adopting. The idea of preventing a loving couple from sharing their love with a child who desperately needs a family, well, that is criminal.

11 11 2008
Democrat G (formerly G)

BEA – I know. My boyfriend donated for both of us and he is not on here, but it is on our credit card. Of course we opposed it, but there are definetly names missing.

I thought it was listing only people who donated $100+, but there are people on there who donated less.

THANK YOU TO ALL WHO ARE LOOKING. IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES. I am FOREVER thankful that I found this website. It keeps my heart warm to find a diverse, intelligent, and loving community = and I have to say it again….I LIVE IN NYC! Almost everyone is great in this city, but this website is SO SPECIAL!

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SO WONDERFUL!

11 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Democrat G:

Obama’s position on marriage equality issue is one of the few complaints I have about him. I’m hoping his position will evolve.

Thanks for the link to the donors – I looked up my town and was pleasantly surprised to see that of the 50 or so donors there were only a handful supporting Prop 8.

I think this is a generational thing – Prop 8 passed this time, but there’s still hope. Give it 2, 4, 6 years…

11 11 2008
Georgia peach

Democrat G, those 727 zips are Arkansas, AR, not AK. just FYI.

and about ‘rosebud’; I guess if I had never been told the hidden meaning of it’s use in Citizen Kane, it wouldn’t bother me either. I am too suspicious. I don’t trust the SS to not know the hidden meaning. I hope it’s just an innocent slip. But…… I’m not the only literature major who immediately went, ‘uh-oh’.

and back on topic: please keep on top of things there in AK. Keep hope alive!

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

For inaugural day I already have a fleecy robe that is extremely warm. Makes me look like a big stuffed sausage. But it is Blue.

Tomorrow I will go to Walmart for fuzzy slippers. (And cheetos.)

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Just saw the portion of interview with Matt Lauer (Today Show) that he was able to ask Piper a few questions. Out of the mouth of babes!! He asked questions about school. She missed a lot of school according to her (we know she was paraded on campaign trail). She also said she is having a hard time catching up. Seems Palin had more interest shopping than providing a tutor for the kids. I tag them as unfit parents.

Shows IMO how irresponsible Palins are regarding education. Piper could have stayed with her grandparents and continued schooling. Read somewhere that the pregnant daughter stayed with them so the other little ones could have too.

Also brings to mind the people that are dogging the Obamas to put their girls in public school system. Heard one women say if they put them into private it just confirms they are the ‘elitists’ everyone says they are.

Man that ticks me off (using kind language!!). IMO they should go to private as it is a security issue for the girls. Adults don’t take that into mind at all. These girls are not like regular kids anymore. These girls are a target now. The private school is far better equipped for security reasons. People can’t just wander in whereas they can in a public school. As soon as they decide on school — Obama better put a lid on the people and media the same way the Clintons did for Chelsea.

FYI reminder – McCain is on Leno tonight (Tuesday). Palin is on Situation Room with Wolf on Wed and on Larry King Wed. Man — she won’t shut up now but that’s okay. The more she talks — she digs herself deeper in the muck.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Damn. Bold rampaging once again. My apologies, folks.

As for prop H8, it reminds me of the pro-birth people. They put so much energy into blocking abortions, but they cut all the programs for needy kids who are born.

In the same way, to protect the sanctity of marriage, these same people decide to ban gay marriage, but they ignore the horrible state of opposite-sex marriages. In other words, it’s all about controlling what other people do, not looking at one’s own behavior. Nice.

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

CO, just drop me an email and get on the list.. if/when we do anything, i’ll send mail to everyone who wrote.. doesn’t mean you’re coming, just you’re curious..!

who knows, if your stepmom is doing ok, then maybe, but clearly taking care of her would come first..

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Democrat G and AKaurora-
I agree on the personal boycott; I think the Hyatt (or maybe it’s the Marriott) chain is owned by Mormon family- and that church was a big contributor to prop 8, as was the Roman Catholic church, and Focus (plus other freepers). In Denver, I’ve already written to American Furniture Warehouse to tell the #@*&! owner I will never buy from him again, as he pushed for passage of a right-to-work amendment (it failed). Vote with your wallet, and let the companies know why- and spread the word.

11 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

@asiangrrl
RE: Keith gave a very moving Special Comment last night speaking out against Prop H8, and he was getting teary.
~~~~~~
It was totally moving. I was crying before the 3:00 mark as I drank my morning coffee. His angry and quiet rage was moving.
I for one will be protesting Prop 8 in Seattle on Saturday. This is not over by a long shot. No way, no how, no hate.
I wonder how different this protest will be as Bush heads out and Obama heads in. The pre-war protests were frightening at times. The Protest against holding immigrants was frightening. The anniversary protests were frightening. I wonder, will I need a protest kit again? **sigh**

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Thanks, Marty-
I will send you an email when I get back to my blue state.

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Georgia peach,
I could see the SS picking ‘Rosebud’ more like an endearing name for a pretty little girl just starting to bloom. I didn’t read anything underlying into it.

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

I like Rainbow because of the Hawaii connection–tho’ Michelle’s mom is Chicago roots.

This is a great place to get married…and be married…because it’s so romantic.

11 11 2008
SMR

Interesting link to the donations to/vs Prop 8. I can tell you that I gave money to oppose it, but my name is not on there. Not sure why… AK has quite a GLBT population, so I am actually surprised at how few people are on that list. Wonder where they get their info from and if there is a delay in terms of reporting. I know a gay couple here that were married in CA and would be surprised if they did not donate, but they are not on the list, and neither are any of my other GLBT friends…

Anyway, would just like to reiterate my previously-stated stance on Bible Spice:

I would love it if we, as mudbonders, could make a stand re: HER, and not listen to &/or watch anything in which she is allowed to talk or have her say unopposed. Matt Lauer, Greta, even Larry King. She is irrelevant, and we should not give her any credibility. We should not watch Larry/Matt/Greta instead of Shannyn or politicians that actually contribute to our country in a POSITIVE way.

You all know, as do I, that every single thing that comes out of her mouth is a self-serving lie. So, why are we giving them the benefit of our time or energy?

Until she says something honest &/or there is information out there from a credible source (and yes, I think AKM is credible!), I don’t think it should be listened to/watched/etc. And I don’t expect anything honest from her until she is interviewed by someone with balls. That has not happened yet, and as far as I know there is nothing planned for her to give a REAL interview.

I would like to see all of us devote our time & energy to discussing her in a way that will ultimately benefit Alaskans & Americans, i.e. HOW THE HELL DO WE GET RID OF HER??? IMPEACH? RECALL? ?????

I was ready, willing & able to discuss her in the run-up to the election, as any & all information dispersed prior to people casting their votes on Nov 4th was a necessary evil. But now she needs to be history, unless she takes actual newsworthy action in some way, as that is the most fitting punishment for her until we can get her exposed & out of the Gov of AK seat!

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

Leno just said Palin thinks Neiman Marcus is the President of the Philippines.

11 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

HOW THE HELL DO WE GET RID OF HER??? IMPEACH? RECALL? ?????
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not by not listening to her.
Keep your enemies close;)
She is not my friend, not even close.

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

BTW, my husband had the nerve to wrinkle up his nose at the notion of gay marriage–I challenged him…HOW ON EARTH DOES THAT THREATEN OUR MARRIAGE? HUH?

He couldn’t answer…or maybe he just thought it was in his best interest to shut up, LOL!

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Deep Blue in VA, you are correct about the younger generation. They voteed overwhelmingly AGAINST Prop. H8. I agree that I wish President-Elect Obama would reconsider, even if it’s not personally important to me (I have NO desire to marry anyone, and Rachel is taken, anyway).

11 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Canadian neighbor,

As someone who lives in the DC area, and as someone who has children in public schools, I have to say I AGREE that Obama should send his kids to private school.

The security is a huge concern. The DC public schools have been floundering for many years (with a few exceptions), to the point where the city had to take control from the school board and give it to the mayor. They are making progress, but I worry about those little girls being in an potentially dangerous setting. DC is a friendly environment for the Obamas, but there are a lot of, um, intense people out there who may not let them live in peace.

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

The comments about the secret service names is kinda silly. The only people who’ll ever use those names will BE secret service and ain’t no one going to get on their digital scrambled frequencies.

And i thought all the names were cute.

11 11 2008
Bea

Democrat G (formerly G) (19:34:23) :

BEA – I know. My boyfriend donated for both of us and he is not on here, but it is on our credit card. Of course we opposed it, but there are definetly names missing.
___

So glad to have that link AND to see that of the 402 people they list as donating in Virginia, only 34 people supported PropHate.

Will definitely be making some calls to the businesses in that small but shameful group to tell them what I think of their support of discrimination!

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

asiangrrl – off/on topic Prop 8 – I think the fundies should push to make divorce illegal. “What God hath joined together?”

I know Lots of (gasp) Divorced Fundies! Hm. Now how can that be if they have such biblical regard for the sanctity of marriage?

Every time someone pulls a Prop 8 issue; push them hard on divorce laws. I’d like to hear the double speak. You know, it’s not a religious divorce; it’s a civil matter.
Unh-huh.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

whabs, I hear you. We shall not rest until this travesty is struck down. Please take care of yourself when you protest, though. I wouldn’t want anyhing to happen to you.

lock pepper in honolulu, it would only harm your marriage if you decided you liked women better than your hubby!

Dragon Lady, now THAT’S funny (and I don’t like Leno).

SMR, I agree. I will read snippets about Palin and watch clips, but I don’t watch any of her interviews because I don’t want to give her more face time than she’s already had.

I’m listening to Shannyn Moore on Rachel, and I love her voice.

11 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

@Drangon Lady
RE: I think the fundies should push to make divorce illegal. “What God hath joined together?”
~~~~~~~~
What? And let someone else have all the FUN and the GLORY of truly protecting the sanctity of marriage?

11 11 2008
strangelet

CO Almost Native (19:37:41) :
The Marriott family is LDS. I don’t know what the Marriotts’ position on Prop 8 was.

I’m pretty sure that “Rosebud” was, at most, a cinematic reference, rather that a reference to obscure 50’s-60’s slang. For one thing, I’m from the 50’s-60’s (unlike most of the Secret Service) and I’d never heard that meaning. For another, a three minute browse throught the Urban Dictionary will reveal that virtually every English word has, or has had, some kind of sexual connotation for somebody somewhere.

Actually, I’m more concerned with Renegade/Renaissance as code names. They sound too much alike.

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

The schools in DC who’ve had children of uber VIPs have the infrastructure already in place to protect the kids. It seems logical to send them where there is little disruption to other kids who are used to seeing police and secret service already there.. Remember, DC has a huge range of children from our own congress to diplomats kids as well.

I think anyone who calls the Obamas names over where their children go to school is just the same old crap. Just like his terrorist pals, and being a socialist, if his kids go to an unsafe public school and something happens, maybe some warped perverse glee would envelope those people.

From my point of view, he’ll ignore those comments and pick the safest and best school for his kids.

11 11 2008
Bea

Kinda OT, but I heard on NPR today that we the taxpayers are footing the bill for THOUSANDS of dollars worth of portraits being painted of out-going Bush Misadministration officials, including FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for a portrait of Donald Rumsfeld.

*head bangs on desk for one millionth time since 2000*

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Sandy Beach, Deep Blue and Democrat G-
I agree, it is generational. (My stepmom knows better than to start on that topic with me). Arkansas will find they have a significant reduction in foster homes and adoption choices due to that hateful bill.
It is also religious, and we need to build awareness in the public that laws like these support religious views, religious intolerance. There should be separation of church and state!

BTW- in Colorado there is a battle going on the state Republican party bewteen those who want to do the same thing next election while moving more to the right- be true to the conservative values- and those who want the paryt to recognize times have changed. For me, these “conservative values” aren’t what the GOP was under Rockefeller and Goldwater. I think that’s why Palin is on the talk-circuit; she wants to be the standard bearer for the religious/social conservatives, who want to control the GOP. (gag)

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

Asian Grrrrl, the only women that interest me are Rachel and Renaissance and they’re taken.

I totally adore my husband but he can be bullheaded and stupid sometimes…he has no reason to be threatened, though one can have girl crushes🙂

As for Grandma Robinson…
What about Remarkable or Resplendent?
Retro?

11 11 2008
pvazwindy

lock pepper in honolulu (19:26:39) :

They’re talking about moving Barack Obama’s mother in law (Michelle’s mom) into the white house.
I think that would be sweet–don’t leave her in Chicago.

Now what would be her Secret Service name&%&%&&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&% RADIANT

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Dragon Lady, a writer on HuffPo proposed to make it a criminal offense if someone who has a religious wedding ceremony divorces, punishable by jail time. His thinking is that if marriage is so sacred, there should be no divorce.

I laughed my butt off at this, but it’s the logical extent of fundie beliefs.

By the way, Reverend “I hate gays” Phelps is going to be protesting at Obama’s grandmother’s funeral. Apparently, he and his group of hate-heads have protested Al Gore’s father’s funeral as well as Hillary Clinton’s mom’s funeral. I’m not going to link because his group is vile, but needless to say, I am really glad President-Elect Obama and his family have the biggest secret service detail ever.

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

“Now what would be her Secret Service name&%&%&&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&% RADIANT”

I like it–it’s the base word for Radiance, her eldest grandaughter!

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Strangelet, don’t fear.. The details for Obama and his wife are separated in many ways, including radio freqs.. They will overlap when together, but the presidential detail has one focus, and that’s only, and will always only be his safety. The secondary teams would be with her and the kids, and in a similar manner, they only are focused on their charges.

But the similar names would overlap on very rare occaisions. I doubt it would somehow cause confusion over similarity. ! They’ve been doing this a long time.. The training is beyond SEALS and Green Beret.. The very few people in the direct protection of POTUS is almost as select as the 43 presidents before Obama.

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Whabs-
You are right; I learned the quote as: keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. (As a retired English teacher, I should know who said it- but I don’t. Perhaps from The Prince?)

11 11 2008
strangelet

SMR (19:40:14) :

Does Alaska have the recall? If so, you draft a petition and start gathering signatures. That’s why Arnie is Governor of Cali (this is not something I’m happy about, just an illustration).

If you don’t have the recall, I’m afraid you pretty much have to wait for the next election, or the FBI.;-)

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

asiangrrl – I am always fascinated by murder cases motivated by a spouse who “couldn’t get a divorce.” Amazing logic there. It’s a world gone mad.

11 11 2008
NSWFM

Dragon Lady, She’d be giggling like a teenager if she got a call from the Phillipine’s President, too. Also.

11 11 2008
strangelet

Bea (19:51:13) :
Just take a deep breath and think of it as a stimulus payment to portrait artists. It’s not worth hurting your head.

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

CO – it was Sun-Tzu in the Art of War and of course the Corleone’s, a really dysfunctional family.

11 11 2008
Ben in SF

Seeing the picture of Laura Bush and Michelle Obama in the White House living room, it strikes me they’re on such different planes of consciousness. MO is a renaissance indeed, and a live one.

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

ok.. time to hurl.. McLost is on leno..

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Mudpuppies-
I can’t creat a link, as I am on my stepmom’s computer- I am a technoidiot on a PC- but go to adn.com and read the front page story on the Beloved Governor.
AK mudflatters,she won’t be in your state for long, she’s going to answer the call
to be prez. I didn’t know whether to laugh so hard I fell off my chair, or bang my head against a wall.

G’night to all- tomorrow is another day:)

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

he starts out thanking all the service men who are real heros, unlike his cowardly self..

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Dragon Lady, yeah, I don’t get the murder instead of divorce thing, either.

As for the Obama kids, the parents have to do what’s best for the kids, period. In fact, I am pretty tired of pundits already advising Obama what he should and shouldn’t do when he’s president. How about letting him go through his inauguration first before criticizing him? Sheesh.

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

NSWFM – lovely – Let’s call her! Mrs. Marcus on line 3.

11 11 2008
Sue

Sometimes a rosebud is just a rosebud.

11 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Dragon Lady-
Thank you! I thought it might be Michiavelli…I still have my high school copy of The Prince. Glad to get my source correct- a big faux pas for an English teacher.

11 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

Asian

whabs, I hear you. We shall not rest until this travesty is struck down. Please take care of yourself when you protest, though. I wouldn’t want anything to happen to you.
~~~~~
That’s why I am wondering if I should bother taking a protest kit. Seattle has pretty wild protests when they turn and it’s always good to have a few basic things when protesting:
A bag large enough to carry a bottle of water, Maalox, a bandanna or two, and a disposable (or digital if you don’t care if it gets busted) camera.
I secretly LOVE protesting with other people who feel like I feel. There is always this good feeling of being with like minded people.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

You know who really makes me angry? Dick Cheney. Rachel played a snippet of him giving a speech today because of Veterans’ Day, and I had to turn the sound off. He applied for deferment FOUR times. He really has no soul.

11 11 2008
ds55

Did you see the photo of Piper Palin, Sarah’s 7-year-old daughter, wearing high heels on the Today show? Then her Dad hands baby Trig to her. What’s wrong with these people?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/11/piper-palin-wears-high-he_n_143077.html

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

whabs, I just don’t want you to get hurt or jailed. If you do, though, make sure it’s the latter and not the former.

Franken and Coleman are both lawyered up and hunkered down. We are in for a long fight here, so I sympathize with ya, Alaska.

11 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

asian you forgot all the soldiers he had a hand in getting killed and injured from the illegal and fake war that he and W created.. Sadly, the fake war still had and has real casualties.

he had a huge hand in the war in Iraq.. just horrid..

11 11 2008
Cynamen Winter

i@ ra2 (17:54:52) :

So… who are the people who enter the numbers into that machine in Anchorage?

——————————————–

I’m wondering if this is the same “questionable” machine they used to tally the presidential votes one week ago tonight? I am still baffled by those suspect results…. but so grateful that wretched season is behind us.

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

Marty & Asian – that took some gall to have Cheney speak today. I was furious. The deferments and his responsibility for so many deaths. He’s as delusional as Palin; he’ll never acknowledge it.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Marty, VA, I know. He was saying this is the eighth year that we’ve been at war, starting because of the attack….” I had to shut him off because as I said, I like my computer and do not want to do it damage.

11 11 2008
cj

“Dragon Lady (19:45:08) :

asiangrrl – off/on topic Prop 8 – I think the fundies should push to make divorce illegal. “What God hath joined together?” ”

They’re working on it:

http://www.nwamarriages.com/about/covenant_marriage.php

Mike Huckabee signed it into law in Arkansas in 2001.

11 11 2008
Zim in Oz

From what she says I know that Sarah knows that Obama is the President elect but I do no think she knows that she and McC LOST….

Who said there was a gap between her non-brain and her mouth and her comprehension ? There’s a cave between her ears, her skull and her mouth.

11 11 2008
strangelet

Asian: I am not myself religious, but I have read the Bible. One of the very few things that Jesus specifically (not via parable) addresses in the Gospels is that divorce is unacceptable, and that marrying a divorced person is adultery. This is quite different from the Old Testament view.

This is a point where I have to give the Catholic Church credit for consistency. I disagree, but at least in this case their opposition to divorce can be shown to derive directly from Jesus’ theoretically recorded words.

Most fundamentalists, however, do condone divorce, in direct opposition to explicit divine instruction. Oh well, what are you gonna do? If life were a judged debate, they’d all be thrown out for incoherence.

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

OMG – McCain is stumping for Palin. Once a politician . . .

11 11 2008
ds55

I would like to submit my armchair shrink diagnosis of the day for Sarah: Hyperreligiosity.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.arts.books.marketplace/2006-05/msg00076.html

I will add this to the list of other amateur diagnoses including attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and various personality disorders.

11 11 2008
strangelet

If you look up “chickenhawk” in the dictionary, there’s a picture of Dick Cheney (next to Rush Limbaugh).

11 11 2008
strangelet

ds55: Allow me to submit another diagnosis: effing nuts.

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

cj and strangelet – I had absolutely no idea about Covenant Marriages. LA, AZ and AR. That is a sleeping giant.

I know about the “adultery” charge of marrying a divorced person.

I know three fundies who married a divorced person with children no less.
I know two fundies who claimed their ex-husbands had hit them. Should we put that in those quotes McCain likes? Yeah sure, he hit you.

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

You know who I’m curious about? Ice Face Cindy McCain…poor lady is dealing with old McGrumpy after the biggest disappointment of his life–if I were her, I’d take my private jet and Bridget and haul ass to the Carribean or Europe or somethin’…

11 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

strangelet (20:17:42) :

Most fundamentalists, however, do condone divorce, in direct opposition to explicit divine instruction. Oh well, what are you gonna do? If life were a judged debate, they’d all be thrown out for incoherence.
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Fundies love divorce! Nowhere will you find so many people with several behind them.😉

11 11 2008
cj

Huckabee and his wife chose to make theirs a covenant marriage. It is an *option* that one can choose in Arkansas, and not required there (that would be ugly). But the movement is out there –

11 11 2008
Dragon Lady

McCain gave me pain in my brain after SP on Greta.

That’s all for me tonight. Have to go Walmart tomorrow to get my furry slippers for the inaugural.

Night all.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

strangelet, I was raised Christian, so I know the Bible, but I don’t remember Jesus saying that about divorce. Huh. The Catholic Church gets around the divorce thing, though, by having annulments, which is even stranger to me. The marriage never happened. Uh, what?

cj, I forgot all about those. I can’t believe they haven’t caught on in all fifty states.

strangelet (again), Dick Cheney’s face is next to chicken s….. you fill in the rest.

lock pepper in honolulu, I am just waiting for the divorce announcement from Cindy McCain. She shoulda cut him loose a long time ago.

11 11 2008
lock pepper in honolulu

Dragon Lady, I’ll buy some too–anyone else for a Mudflats Basement Blog on Inaugural day?

11 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ strangelet (20:22:22) :

ds55: Allow me to submit another diagnosis: effing nuts.

Now that’s funny!

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Dragon Lady, good night. Hope you don’t have scary dreams of Sarah Palin.

11 11 2008
sparkleball

Next time you come to San Diego, stay at an Evans Hotel. They were major fundgivers against Prop 8. Several of their excecutives are gay and are married to their partners and have children. They went head to head with Doug Manchester. A San Diego Slug Fest! (My chef husband who works for the Evans family at their Lodge at Torrey Pines has done the banquets for many gay weddings.)

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

I probably will be here on Inaugural Day. I usually have puffy pig slippers (I collect pigs), but my last pair wore out. Maybe it’s time to buy a new pair! I think I will be crying again that day–just a hunch.

11 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

cj (20:31:09) :

Huckabee and his wife chose to make theirs a covenant marriage. It is an *option* that one can choose in Arkansas, and not required there (that would be ugly). But the movement is out there –
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Pre-marital counselling is compulsory with every church marriage here, and counselling is compulsory (by legislation) before divorce.

This silly covenant marriage thing has no meaning – it’s just a way for certain people to make themselves feel “special”. It won’t stop the fundies from divorcing at the same rate they already do.

11 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

HAHAHAHAHAHA
There’s a lipstick joke there somewhere
Night, bed time here!

11 11 2008
NSWFM

People should listen to Julia Sweeney on This American Life, Letting go of God.

http://sameritech.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/julia-sweeney-letting-go-of-god-this-american-life/

I’m hoping people with critical thinking skills give this serious thought.

I’m hoping the crazy religious right’s collective head explodes. Along with Sarah Palin’s head, for real. That would get rid of her.

As a side note, for all the people who can’t stand her voice:
I was running an errand on 8/29 about 10 min away from my parent’s house when I heard the VP announcement on NPR. After my errand, I went to my parents to have breakfast with them. While eating, we were listening to NPR. When McCain introduced her, I said “This I have to see. ” So I stopped eating and went to turn on the TV. My parents are in their 70s, so they were lagging behind, but my mom heard Palin’s first words on the radio. As she walked down the hall to get to the TV, mom said “I can’t stand her already–I can’t listen to that voice.” Then we saw McCain playing with his ring while checking out Palin’s rear, with Cindy looking over her husband’s shoulder….

Thankfully, my parents, who have been Republicans since they became citizens, voted for Obama. They have written in other candidates from time to time (when I was 18, my dad wrote me in for mayor), voted for Democrats, and finally this time, my dad changed his registration to be independent. There are only two houses on their street that are not Republican, but they live in Thousand Oaks, which is notoriously Republican, and Obama still won there by 54%. [T.O. is right next to Simi Valley, where some jerk gave money so they could build the Reagan Library there. Not like they had any connection to Simi Valley…why not Santa Barbara or in Bel Air, where the Reagans actually lived? Don’t know…]

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Whabs, good night!

Aussie Blue Sky, I find our country rather silly when it comes to marriage in general. Obviously, we aren’t doing it very well, either. I read some years ago about a new social theory called the starter marriage. In essence, it was arguing that everybody deserved to write off her/his first marriage as a test run. I read of people my age (thirty-seven) being twice or thrice divorced, and I just shake my head. Yeah, the sanctity of marriage. Right.

11 11 2008
Lana, KY

Totally random off the wall thought ~ but my mind hasn’t been the same since Sarah came on the scene.
About the clothes and the shopping, well, you know how Meghan McCain was all up the Palin family’s a$$ ~ and she is soooooo into fashion and such. Well, who better to have had access to mega credit cards and shopping trips for her new best friend Sarah, the Dud & kiddos. Maybe that’s why all is so hush hush and under the rug ~ and I don’t believe for a NY minute that Ms Palin has any intention of giving any of the stuff back.
Mommy & daddy McCain would have tried to bury that fact real fast. Of course it’s just my twisted brain ~ but who knows?

11 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (20:34:45) :
The Catholic Church gets around the divorce thing, though, by having annulments, which is even stranger to me. The marriage never happened. Uh, what?
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It’s not easy to get an annulment. It costs a fortune and takes ages, and then you may not get it. It reduces down to intention. For example, if it turns out your husband is a wife-beater, a drug addict, a womaniser, etc, then his intention when he married you was to deceive you – so the agreement you thought you made with him according to your vows was never valid.😀

The Catholic Church and Dr Phil are pretty much in agreement there.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Aussie Blue Sky, I hear if you’re powerful, you can buy an annulment, though. I’m just saying….

11 11 2008
kas from Oregon

Forgive me for not scanning all the posts — it’s been a long day (way to much Barbie on TV)… So given the quickness of our team – I am sure someone has already talked about the great coverage Keith and Rachel have given both to the series of interviews and the continuing election coverage in AK… Shannon Moore was interviewed and talked about the unexpeted turnout …

We shall be ever vigiliant — and now the nation is watching.

11 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (20:58:09) :

Aussie Blue Sky, I hear if you’re powerful, you can buy an annulment, though. I’m just saying….
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Try telling that to Princess Caroline of Monaco. They wouldn’t give her an annulment of her first marriage even though she ware barely out of her teens when she got married, even when she was pregnant with her second husband’s child, even when she had three children with her second husband – still no annulment.

11 11 2008
strangelet

sparkleball (20:37:53) : I’ll remember Evans hotels, although they don’t appear to serve my customary cheapo Hotel Circle market.

11 11 2008
strangelet

Aussie — I think the Church is tetchy about annulments for people in the public eye. I’ve known a couple of folks who got one that was not even remotely justifiable by theory. And a couple who didn’t. To me, it seemed to be luck of the draw, except harder for celebrities.

Incidentally, I’ve never been Catholic, so the only reason I pay attention at all is because it matters to some folks I know.

11 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

hmmm — I guess I am still on my test marriage
35-1/2 yrs !! And we got married when I was 17.

Hubby had a couple yr test run before we met –

I was raised Catholic (he was Lutheran) His “test run” was in the Lutheran Church but the Catholic Church wouldn’t marry us. Eventually, they “blessed our union” but I don’t attend church anymore. Not that I don’t believe, just in my soul, I’ll always be a Catholic, and according to the Church – I am living in sin.

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN,
May I make a suggestion — if you have the need to throw something, buy marshmallows. You don’t break computers or TVs!!!!

lock pepper in honolulu,
I think McCain goes back to Washington next week so Cindy will have Arizona to herself again. She stays there while he lives in Washington.

11 11 2008
strangelet

Enjay in Eastern MT (21:10:28) :
Obviously you didn’t get the memo back in ’73. Congratulations.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Aussie Blue Sky, strangelet, it does seem to be rather random who can get an annulment and who can’t.

Enjay in Eastern MT, good for you! Now that’s a marriage I can believe in.

Canadian Neighbour , that’s a great suggestion. Plus, it’s getting cold here, so I can put them in hot chocolate after I’m done throwing them. Thanks.

11 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

Was just luck for me (and hope for him too)
We never thought “it would last” – and took it year by year
Every anniversary we’d look at each other and say .. OK just one more.
When we got to 10 yrs under our belt, said ok another 5. Guess it was
a “recommitment” – either way – it worked for us.

11 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

strangelet (21:10:25) :

Aussie — I think the Church is tetchy about annulments for people in the public eye. I’ve known a couple of folks who got one that was not even remotely justifiable by theory. And a couple who didn’t. To me, it seemed to be luck of the draw, except harder for celebrities.
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strangelet, the Catholic Marriage Tribunal doesn’t operate on theory. They interrogate the participants and the witnesses, and require plenty of documented evidence.

Unless I did the same I would not make judgements about who was annulled and who was not.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Aussie Blue Sky, are you Catholic?

Enjay in Eastern MT, I think this is a healthy attitude to take–reassessing your marriage every year, and then every five years. Good for you.

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN,
Good reminder to me to pick up hot choc. I’ve got the marshmallows!!! I’ve saved myself buying a few new TV’s!!! Some of the shows, I’ve wanted to spit darts!! The last one being Campbell Brown agreeing that the Obama family photos as that sat in the hotel room waiting for the election results looked like they were photoshoped as there was no alcohol in the pictures. There was water sitting on the tables. And then they wonder how the rumors get started.

11 11 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

On one of the shows tonight, either Keith or Hardball, when they were talking about the 90,000 votes someone said, “What are they waiting for, the spring thaw?”

It’s really not funny. That amount of votes should have been counted by now, or otherwise thousands of voters are disenfranchised.

My God – we can do better than this in our country. I still can’t believe Missouri keeps “finding” new votes to count. My husband and I believe they are stalling because they probably went red for McCain and he lost the election. That would make Missouri lose it’s reputation for choosing the winner in every Presidential Election. So they are dragging this out hoping more votes for Obama show up.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Canadian Neighbour, what? I hadn’t heard that particular gem from Campbell, though I did hear Keith chiding her and her co-host for neglecting to mention that the Still-President Bush was the last prez to have a majority in all three houses (they both named Democrats). She thinks you have to have alcohol to celebrate? Well, she would be very disappointed in me, then.

11 11 2008
Hick Town in W PA

I love the cover of the New Yorker ….http://www.bobstaake.com/nyer/drawgreflection.jpg This is from the actual artist.

11 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

Before I hit the bed – did was McC on Leno tonight ?
Did he spill the beans on how to get Osama,
since he KNOWS how to do it.
(or did he have a senile moment and forgot)

Got to say it every couple days, at least – thank you AKM & Mudflat pals — its been a joy to read the comments & follow the wide range of links provided. You have kept me relatively sane thru the election – and now on to the inauguration.

(Night)

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Dems Are Not Afraid, yeah, it’s an embarrassment to our country, for sure.

Hick Town in PA, love it. It’s a start to make up for their earlier cover.

11 11 2008
strangelet

Aussie Blue Sky (21:28:30) : I think I was a little cavalier in my use of the term theory. I am not an expert in Catholic marriage law, and I was not privy to the diocesian tribunals’ inquiries, which I do understand are non-trivial. My point, such as it was, was that from the viewpoint of friends, the (non)marriages in question appeared to be conventional — courtship, Church wedding, kids. In two cases, there were annulments; in two cases not. I have no idea what specific evidence or testimony was presented to the tribunals.

I’m pretty sure that the two annulments happened, though, because at least one of the parties from each case subsequently got married in a Catholic church.

11 11 2008
strangelet

Enjay — no, he’s holding on to the get-Osama info to try to trade it for Joe Lieberman keeping his chairmanship.

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN
On Friday night and repeated show on Saturday, she had Dana Milbank from Washington Post on. The pics of them waiting in the hotel for the results were released Friday night and they discussed how they appeared to be photoshopped as they thought the pictures odd looking in that there was no way it could be believed they were only drinking water. Campbell responded “I’m with you on that one”. If I could have snapped her neck, I would have!!

The liquor stores would go broke if they waited for me!!!

If you did not know, her husband is Dan Senor (RePug), former advisor to Presidential Envoy in Iraq. Read up on him a while back. He consults on Fox. Her father used to be a Dem Senator. Still shows having the politics in the family doesn’t equate to brains since she’s so in the bag defending Palin.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Canadian Neighbour, I don’t think Brown was defending Palin, per se, but I didn’t know she was married to a top-ranking Republican (not that there’s anything wrong with that), but then again, I don’t watch her on a daily basis. If I had been on her show and she made that remark to me, I would have commented on how sad it is that our society believes you have to imbibe to have a good time.

It’s snowing! That makes me happy. I wish I could run around naked in it. I definitely need to stock up on the hot chocolate and marshmellows!

strangelet, I probably know less than you do about Catholic marriage, but I have always found the annulment clause a fascinating one. I mean, I’d like to have an annulment eraser for other aspects of life. Is that possible?

AKM, I love the new gear. I am wondering, though, if any of them will be available in black in the future?

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

I can understand seeing pics of Alaska with snow but to hear in lower US!!
No!!! It’s too early yet!! Enjoy it!! Keep it!!

11 11 2008
strangelet

Asian: Oh damn, wouldn’t that be good? There are several parts of my life I’d like to annul.

11 11 2008
strangelet

Asian: Especially if I’d get the braincells back.

11 11 2008
El from Saskatchewan

No Alcohol???
As if people who were to appear before millions of people around the world in an hour should or would even think about having a drink. They are just that much smarter than Campbell.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Canadian Neighbour, remember that I live in Minnesota. We have four seasons–winter, winter, winter, and road construction. Some people get depressed in the winter–I get depressed in the summer. I love the winter! Wa-hoo!

strangelet, heh. I don’t think getting your braincells back is part of the deal. I have an ex who used to say he didn’t regret anything in his life. Me, on the other hand, regret much. So where’s MY annulment? I guess I’ll get it about the same time I get my bailout. I won’t hold my breath….

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

El from Saskatchewan, hm. Good point. I didn’t think of it like that. In addition, Obama had to give a speech, so it probably wouldn’t have been a good thing for him to get soused.

11 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Good morning, kids! Just checking in before I do my gym workout. Have a lot to catch up on and haven’t even watched the Palin interviews yet!!!

What is up with the McCain’s? Even my hubby asked why haven’t we seen John since the election? Anybody see him? Was he on Leno?

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN,
“Winter, Winter, Winter & Road Construction”!! LOL

I’m in southern Ontario so actually am south of you. That sounds strange.

As for the liquor — If they were going to celebrate and have a toast, with the family and friends & Bidens, they would be going back to the hotel or the house after the speech. Then they could all let their hair down and relax!!!

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Jamie, Fl. in Fr., McCain was apparently on Leno tonight. I think he’s sleeping and crying alot.

Canadian Neighbour, ok, I read your post as saying you were in Southern OHIO, and I was going to ask you if you knew Joe the Plumber? I am in the Cities, so mid-lower MN. We still get plenty o’ cold and snow. though.

11 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Where can I see the photos of the Obamas waiting for the election results? Somebody have a link for me?

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour
11 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I don’t know why Campbell Brown assumes that everyone needs alcohol to celebrate a victory…especially if the party was later in the night at another place.

11 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Thanks Canadian Neighbour!

11 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

After running a campaign for that length of time and then waiting all day for the results, I’d be incapable of giving a speech after 1 drink as you would be excited but dog tired. By then you have to be running on pure adrenalin.

asiangrrl,
I just took a boo at mapquest and you’re seem to be just a bit north on a parallel to me. Being in Canada on the north side of the great lake, we don’t get as much lake effect snow as the south side in the US. I’m about 5 minute drive from Lake Ontario.

11 11 2008
ira2

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (22:32:08) :

Canadian Neighbour, remember that I live in Minnesota. We have four seasons–winter, winter, winter, and road construction. Some people get depressed in the winter–I get depressed in the summer. I love the winter! Wa-hoo!
[…]

Me too! Me too!! Me too!!!

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Canadian Neighbour, how strange. I don’t know if I can deal being to the north of a Canadian!

ira2, winter is so beautiful. No allergies, crisp air, gorgeous snow…. It makes me feel alive. Then again, I was born and bred here, so that might have something to do with it. I hate the heat.

11 11 2008
Jen in Japan

Yikes! I never dreamed my absentee vote was less secure than one cast at a polling place.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

I would much rather it be ten below (Farenheit) than eighty above.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Jen in Japan, yeah, scary to think of, isn’t it? I voted for Gore by absentee-ballot in 2000, and I bet it never got counted.

11 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Just to add my 2 cents – growing up in FLA on the ocean, where it would get up to 110° in our un-airconditioned high school classrooms, I loved our winter. It would get down to around 20/25° in the mornings, up in the 50’s in the afternoon with a gorgeous bright sun. We would walk around the neighborhood and see the two-foot high icicles formed where people had left on their sprinklers. THAT was winter!

But now with global warming (I know, I know, it doesn’t really exist) that doesn’t even happen every year anymore. I first saw snow in Toronto when I was 17.

11 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I voted by absentee ballot in FLORIDA in 2000 where Katherine Harris probably took it and tossed it right in the trash!

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Jamie, Fl. in Fr., my best friend is from outside of Miami, and we went to visit her mom one time. It was in April, but it was still too hot for me. Anything over eighty really drains me. If I had had to move to Canada (if McCain/Palin had won), I would have gone to Winnipeg.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Jamie, Fl. in Fr., boo hiss, Katherine Harris. Where is she now, do you know?

11 11 2008
ira2

@ asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (23:24:18) :

Yep, same here. It seems like winter is the only time when the air is actually clean and clear and fresh… fit for breathing in deeply. Living at a high altitude for a decade spoiled me as far as air goes, so I have a pretty hard time with the swampy stagnant summer humidity here. Winter air is such a relief, LOL! And yes, it’s a beautiful season. I get some of my best photos in the winter – snow patterns, all kinds of icy things, light and shadow in blue and white, cool stuff.
And best of all, hands-down, no-contest, shout-it-from-the-roof-top: NO TICKS!!!

11 11 2008
Northern Quilter AK

It’s snowing in Eagle River, AK. You winter lovers would love interior Alaska when the hoar frost is an inch thick and it’s so cold all the moisture in the air becomes ice fog. It sparkles, like the air is full of crystals. It’s absolutely beautiful – if you can handle minus 50 F. ! A true winter wonderland.

11 11 2008
Northern Quilter AK

ira2

No ticks in Alaska!!!!

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

ira2, yah, you betcha. Also good–no mosquitos or allergies. Everything seems reborn in the winter. I know, I know, I’m mixing up my seasons, but it’s when I feel most alive.

11 11 2008
ira2

@ Northern Quilter AK (23:48:49) :

It did that here last winter pretty frequently – the sparkling air thing! It’s simply gorgeous :o) No 50 below though. The coldest I noted was minus 40, and that only lasted a night, with minus 35ish before and after.

11 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Northern Quilter AK, the colder the better. When I was in middle school, my family took a vacation to CA to do the typical tourist things. When we got to Disneyland, it was sixty-five degrees and drizzling. We were the only ones in t-shirts. The ride guy apologized for the weather. That was the winter it was a hundred below in MN (plus windchill), so sixty-five above felt plenty warm.

I would love to visit Alaska, as long as I don’t have to meet Palin.

12 11 2008
Canadian Neighbour

asiangrrl,
It is strange that part of Canada is south of your northern border states!!! But I can live with it!!! You could also have gone to Montreal or further east. They do get blanketed with snow!!

Have to laugh at the boo hiss for Katherine Harris. She certainly made a name for herself worldwide!!

Jamie, Fl. in Fr., Hope you enjoyed your Toronto snow visit! I know I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to France!! My trip was in the summer in 1988. Drove with cousins from Scotland, through England and France. They continued on to Germany. I still have my lace curtains with large colourful parrots on them hanging in my kitchen!! Something I have never seen anywhere else ever.

Time for me to say goodnight!! Thank you to AKM for providing a place for people to meet from distant places!! Have fun everyone!!

12 11 2008
ira2

Northern Quilter AK (23:50:49) :

ira2

No ticks in Alaska!!!!

Ok, that’s it. I wanna move up there. How much does a small house on an acre of ground go for?

12 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

The first time my hubby visited Fla with me he was horrified! Not only the mosquitos (we had those in Italy) nor the fact that every other evening the big truck came through town to spray that toxic anti-mosquito poison, but the 95-100° heat and 100% humidity and the utter inhumanity, the savageness and brutality of the wild. He tried to go walk through a protected natural reserve once and came home practically in tears. He said he took one step into the reserve, was immediately attacked by mosquitos and a slew of other flying, biting, stinging things, and the flora was just as savage and violent. I explained that in Fla no one even thinks of leaving the safety of their car, house, office or mall except maybe to go cook on the beach.

I always hated Fla and the heat and left as soon as I could.

12 11 2008
Northern Quilter AK

I’ll take Alaska 20 below over MN 20 below anytime. It’s that humidity thing. It’s drier up here. MN cold can go right down to the bones sometimes-so it feels a lot colder. But my Dad’s place in central MN is still one of my favorite places to be – so relaxing – now you’ve got me reminiscing!

12 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Canadian Neighbour, good night, my neighbor to the south. Sleep tight.

ira2, maybe you and I can start a commune in Alaska! Let the moose run wild. Wouldn’t that piss off the governor? Hee hee. Bedtime for me, too!

12 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Jamie, Fl. in Fr., if you were to move back to the US, where would you live?

Northern Quilter AK, I like the cold searing through me. I’m just strange like that. I bet I would love the AK cold, too.

12 11 2008
El from Saskatchewan

I received this in an email the other day. By the look of the other comments, it looks like this may not be unique to Canada!

> A Little Canadian Humor, Forget Rednecks, Here is what Jeff
> Foxworthy has to say about Canucks. If your local Dairy Queen is
> closed from September through May, You may live in Canada . If
> someone in a Home Depot store Offers you assistance and they don’t
> work there, You may live in Canada . If you’ve worn shorts and a
> parka at the same time, You may live in Canada . If you’ve had a
> lengthy telephone conversation With someone who dialed a wrong
> number, You may live in Canada . If ‘Vacation’ means going
> anywhere South of Detroit for the weekend, You may live in Canada
> . If you measure distance in hours, You may live in Canada .
> If you know several people Who have hit a deer more than once, You
> may live in Canada . If you have switched from ‘heat’ to ‘A/C’
> In the same day and back again, You may live in Canada . If you
> can drive 90 km/hr through 2 feet of snow During a raging blizzard
> without flinching, You may live in Canada . If you install
> security lights on your house and garage, But leave both unlocked,
> You may live in Canada . If you carry jumpers in your car And
> your wife knows how to use them, You may live in Canada . If you
> design your kid’s Halloween costume To fit over a snowsuit, You
> may live in Canada . If the speed limit on the highway is 80 km –
> – You’re going 90 and everybody is passing you, You may live in
> Canada . If driving is better in the winter Because the potholes
> are filled with snow, You may live in Canada . If you know all 4
> seasons: Almost winter, winter, still winter, And road
> construction, You may live in Canada . If you have more miles On
> your snow blower than your car, You may live in Canada . If you
> find 2 degrees ‘a little chilly’, You may live in Canada .

12 11 2008
ira2

LOL! Staying off-topic… when I had to figure out where to move from AZ, I looked at the U.S. map. Wiped the whole southeast off that map right away because of the heat and humidity. Wiped all deserty brushy areas off of it too. Looked at the property prices for the rest of it, then at the demographics, and that was that. Northern MN was left to choose.

12 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Just a bit on the news on CNN International about SP’s future. Leslie Sanchez talks about her charisma – but hey, didn’t most people see beyond the charisma to see the total ignorance of this woman? How far does charisma alone get you on politics? Obama has charisma and some of us see it in Joe Biden, but it is their compassion and intelligence that makes us continue to listen and want to follow them.

12 11 2008
Bear Woman

@ ira2

AND no snakes! Of course we do have bears, but then at least you can see and hear them coming (most of the time) :o)!

Cost of land/homes in SE Alaska is expensive! I was lucky and bought a small house in the 90s, it is still over double in value now versus what I paid for it! Of course we are cheaper than many places in CA (SFO and LA) and in Loudin Cty, VA.

Winter is great! I’d rather shovel snow than deal with heat and humidity! Did that for a while in FL and was never so happy as when we moved back to AK Also like only a few people, very little serious crime, no car thefts, but lots of property crimes and inebriation…. Guess there has to be a drawback somewhere!

12 11 2008
ira2

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (00:05:48) :
[…]

ira2, maybe you and I can start a commune in Alaska! Let the moose run wild. Wouldn’t that piss off the governor? Hee hee. Bedtime for me, too!

We could… but I need to get working first. They don’t take people on assistance. And, um… I’m ok with letting the moose run wild, but how about deer and other meat on the hoof or paw?

No wait, don’t think about that before going to bed. Bad dreams and all. Think of pissing off the gov instead :o)

12 11 2008
Northern Quilter AK

ira2

price varies depending on how remote you want to be. Last I checked Anchorage area was comp to the twin cities but other areas are more affordable but then you pay more for things like gas and groceries and such. I’m not sure about the Fairbanks area, it’s been 15 yrs since I’ve lived there. By the way, my parting gift from MN was a not so nice case of Lyme. But I still love it there.

Jamie, I’ve only been to Florida twice – both times in the winter. We walked around in t shirts and went to the beach and everyone else had sweaters on! We stuck out like the tourists that we were! BTW- my ten yr old has chosen French as her first foreign language to learn. She just started about a month ago. She wants to be a pastry chef and travel the world!

12 11 2008
Sparky

Hi,

I remember a list of media contact many moons ago. Does anyone have contacts for Keith O. and/or Rachael Maddow at MSNBC?

I have a story idea I would like to suggest.

Thanks!

12 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (00:07:32) :

Jamie, Fl. in Fr., if you were to move back to the US, where would you live?

That’s the 64 million dollar question! We have toyed with the idea of going somewhere green and beautiful like Vermont or Maine and buying an inn or starting a goat farm and making cheese. My husband talked about moving to a city and looking for a job job. But most likely either somewhere like Vermont, Maine, Connecticut, VA or a city like Philly, Baltimore, even Denver or lower down in Northern VA. Don’t know, depends on what we decide to do. We want to be somewhere young and dynamic though not huge like NYC or Boston. Somewhere beautiful and seasonal and green. Or maybe buying a yurt and starting a commune or moving to the middle of nowhere!

12 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@ Northern Quilter AK (00:18:27) :

Well Great for your Daughter! I wanted one of my sons to become a pastry chef but no go. I think that’s great and you can tell her I said so! And start her traveling young!

As for Fla – you sound like the Bretons here in France. We go visit French friends in Brittany any time of the year and there are people diving into the ocean for a refreshing swim! Yipes! Water has to be really warm for me.

12 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Morning Sparky! It’s been a few days since I’ve “seen” you.

12 11 2008
Northern Quilter AK

El from Saskatchewan

LOL!

that could easily be Alaska! But he forgot the duct tape and blue tarp as standard emergency gear in the truck!!

12 11 2008
A Brit Abroad

Helloooo…

Ha hahaaaa asiangrrl: winter winter winter and roadworks – I can identify with that. In fact it’s now winter and they are still digging up the road outside my house (and it’s not much of a road either).

Jamie, I think Florida would turn me into a gibbering wreck – I like snow and cold and dark nights curled up by the fire. Or midsummer nights outdoors in a hot tub when you suddenly realised it’s 3 am and never actually got dark…

12 11 2008
Sparky

Hey, Jamie. Been lurking more, I guess.

12 11 2008
ira2

It’s time for me to wander off to bed… I’ll dream of a little house in the snowy mountains up north :o)

Night, all!

12 11 2008
Sparky

NEW THREAD ALERT!

12 11 2008
Northern Quilter AK

Jamie, Floridian in France

They will be what they will be. (ooh, sorry, that sounds kind of Sarahish!) But I secretly hope she will become a sommelier.

Anyway, I’m off to bed with nice thoughts of travel and where I grew up! Thanks for the off topic bed time chat!

12 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Sommelier is also something that I find truly fascinating!

Good night, Northern Quilter AK!

12 11 2008
Off to the Woods | JordanCornblog

[…] … is back on Condi’s case … and loving the new do! (Yay!) On Mudflats you can follow the still unfolding story of the election(s) in Alaska. (Is it just me, or do you now hear Sarah Palin’s voice saying the word, whenever […]

12 11 2008
Apphouse50

What?!? No Bev Harris bashing? Jeez, I mentioned Black Box Voting out at BelliKos not long ago and was informed in no uncertain terms I should prepare to be slammed up against the wall and pummeled. Mystified, I used the Kos search engine to do some research and learned Harris is persona non grata with some active folks out there. Shocked, I left it with a suggestion that perhaps the mission of Black Box Voting ought to trump Harris’ perceived deficiencies. I got no answer.

12 11 2008
Lara

Curious how the more scrutiny the election gets, the more ballots show up on the “to be counted list.”
How easy is it to hide ballots? change ballots?
What does Alaska need us to do to support an honest count?

12 11 2008
rikyrah

I don’t know why I’m so surprised that they are being so brazen about it, but I admit I was. When the spotlight is on you, and you’re still involved in such shadiness – they really can’t help themselves, can they? They’re so used to doing it, they just thought it was business as usual.

12 11 2008
Northern Exposure

This election count by machine in Anchorage (that can be tampered with easily) is scary
stuff–for now and in the future.

Likewise the voter registration lists in Alaska need to be be seriously cleaned up and checked for duplications (among various political parties, among communities, and among in-state and out-of-state).

Names of the deceased should be removed and names of those who moved away years ago need to be removed.

We are getting a low reported percentage turnout because the registration lists are not accurate!! In Cecily there are as many (or more) people on the voter registration list as there is total population in town (about half of which are children under 18).

That’s about 1000 too many names on a registration list of about 2300-2400.




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