The Bumper Sticker That Makes My Head Hurt.

9 11 2008

My mother is a die-hard Democrat.  A while ago, she called me and told me how upset she was at Rush Limbaugh. I asked her why on Earth she was listening to Rush Limbaugh, and she said, “Know your enemy.”  Taking this maternal advice to heart, I decided to subscribe to the Human Events newsletter. That’s Newt Gingrich’s little pet project, and it features writing from the likes of Ann Coulter.

I read this newsletter, so you don’t have to, and frankly most of the time there really isn’t much to say about it.  It’s a steady stream of reactionary fear-mongering drivel, occasionally punctuated with hateful diatribe, and sprinkled with ignorance.  But this particular newsletter almost made me choke on my tongue.  Behold the Republican Grand Strategy:

keep_the_change_2

I’ll keep my guns, freedom, and money. You can keep “the change!” Vote Sarah Palin for President in 2012! The Liberal Media wants you to think that Sarah Palin held John McCain back. We all know that John McCain’s campaign surged ahead because of Sarah. She’s a rising star in the GOP and could easily defeat Barack Obama in 2012! The Palin Revolution is about to break out and you can be on the cutting edge with this clever new bumper sticker! This 2-PACK includes one for each of your vehicles, whether it’s your gas guzzlin’ SUV, pick-up truck, or “hockey mom” minivan!

Wow.  I really didn’t make any of that up, I promise.  Not even the part about “your gas guzzlin’ SUV”.  Not only is Sarah Palin a parody of herself, but now it’s the whole Human Events team.  I still don’t know if I want to fight Palin 2012 with every fiber of my being, or whether her candidacy would be the final salvo that would shatter the hull of the GOP and sent it plummeting to the bottom of the ocean.


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9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Wow! First!

9 11 2008
Anonymous

Don’t you think the president of the US should have an IQ TEST done before they are nominated?

9 11 2008
Earmark Ulu Palin

Second?

9 11 2008
Lori W.

I cannot be upset. Nothing can invade my happiness. Know why?
THEY ARE IRRELEVANT! “They” do not matter anymore. Watch and see.
But I agree with AKM’s mom – “Know your enemies.” We WILL be watching them, always a mile ahead of their craziness. The smart people have arrived, awake and viligant.

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Wow! Did Rush write that all by himself? And First Gov Sarah probably loves those gas-guzzlin’ SUVs – more power to her and her oil!

9 11 2008
katiebegood

All this proves is that the Republican party is incapable of learning, just like they are incapable of admitting their mistakes. They lost because of how far right McCain/Palin took their party and now they think the answer is to go further right. Oh well, we all know that the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.

I’m all for their pushing Palin as their savior. It will be all the more sweet as she is exposed for the crook she is. Hopefully the Democrats in Alaska will push for an investigation into how she got that huge house built in a few months by only the “Dude” and his friends.

9 11 2008
Brother Meat Hussein

Palin/Weaselbacher 2012! Bring it on!

9 11 2008
Vlad the I'm Palin

Does the Republican Party really want to be known as the party that appeals to the lowest common denominator? With their spokespeople the likes of the crass and boorish Rush Lowbrow, Bill All-Riled-Up, Sean Panicky and Ann Dolters of the world? Theyve devolved into an angry and ugly face of America and most decent Amercans and certainly the world is sick to death of them. Better they concentrate on learning how to be civil and learn some good manners.

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Funny new story on Daily Kos about SP’s hypocracy –

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/9/132955/405/937/658089

9 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

AKM question

Do you suppose ADN reads mudflats?

Just read the article about “What’s ahead for Gov.” and realized that we stated discussed several of those challenges in here over the last couple days.

ADN did have a more elaborate handle on the wording, in addition to stating supporting facts in the article.

Very interesting – do believe we are “ahead of the curve” 🙂

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

If she cost them $150,000+ just running as McCain’s VP, she’ll bankrupt the GOP way before she gets the nomination nod.

9 11 2008
Forty Watt

This deserves a quote from Helen of http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/

Hello Margaret. I tried calling you last night but you didn’t answer. I swear every time a squirrel goes looking for a nut up there in Maine you lose your phone service.

I just don’t understand how your Howard can listen to that Rush Limbaugh each day. I tuned into him yesterday and couldn’t believe it. I mean, I know he is a Republican mouthpiece, I just didn’t realize we were dealing with Hoof and Mouth Disease.

Jamie, I left a post for you on the previous thread. I’m grieved and disappointed to hear about your experience with a SWD. When you come home, you’re welcome to come and meet one that will wiggle her way back into your heart, I promise.

9 11 2008
Dee

As I posted on an earlier thread, I plan to continue donating to the DNC whenever I can afford to, so that if and when that particular piece of crap floats our way again, they can “flush it”.

9 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

Thank you AKM – for doing the dirty work. I read on Andrew Sullivan’s site yesterday a quote he posted about Obama by John Derbyshire of the National Review. That was quite enough to sicken me for a few days. Venturing out into the ugly world can be bad for the soul.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble
9 11 2008
Marsha

Quite frankly, it could be the final nail in the coffin of the Republican party, so I don’t know whether to be happy about it or scared.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble
9 11 2008
dowl

South Side Chicago

Do ‘wonders’ never cease! AKM, thanks for reading this drivel so that we mudflatters to not have to–though we do have to remain watchful and thoughtful about what’s going on with the manipulation of ‘low imformation’ voters. Your mom is a wise women and thank God that you listened to the important things that she said, even when you may not have been inclined to do so!

9 11 2008
Off Topic

Lol. What a short sighted selfish fool. Someone must have been sleepin the last 8 years and still hasn’t realized they were robbed of their freedom and money…heh heh…they might want to think about trading their guns in for some sense.

You know what is kind of scary is people younger than me born into this era of government eavesdropping on its ciizens remark that I shouldn’t be worried about governments intrusion into my privacy if I have nothing to hide or am not doing anything wrong. Lack of perspective is a scary thing.

Now, having said that, lol:
Will someone at the hospital Trig was born at please leak the birth certificate. It’s not all that hard to do and would be completely expected by now. There must have been several people present for the delivery. Let’s just get it over with, already.
Normally, I wouldn’t care, but SP brought her whole family into our lives as a prop to persuade us to her cause, so it’s fair for us to know the truth, not to dwell on it, but just to set it straight.

Just my two cents…well, I guess that’s about three cents.

9 11 2008
Bea

I think it’s GREAT that that oxycontin-addled gasbag is pushing the Disasta from Alaska as the next GOP standard-bearer. I think in due time, the meaning “Hottest Governor, Coldest State” will take on an ENTIRELY new meaning as her many, many -gates add up to some mighty scalding water. His championship of the scandal-ridden Winkin’ Log could be Limbaugh’s undoing as well.

At a minimum, Miss Wasilla has the best chance of fomenting the permanent break-up the whacky alliance of fundie nutbags and fiscal conservatives that has been the Republican Party for the last 25+ years. With their religiously insane sheeple peeled away into some new Jesus-Real America Party, the Republicans will be finally forced to learn to play nice with us ‘liberals.’ 🙂

9 11 2008
amy

I’ll keep my guns, freedom, and money. AND can keep “the change!”

I fail to understand why they think none of us have guns, freedom or money….
just sayin, also

9 11 2008
Geneva FreeSpeech

We don’t need an IQ test–but a series of press conferences should be mandatory. I’d also vote for a complete psychological profile along with some serious medical tests. I’ve known several people who are ministers in mainline denominations and they had to do psych testing and a detailed physical before being ordained.

9 11 2008
say no to palin in politics

thing is, it’s a far bigger deal than just Palin being supported in politics……..and it needs to stop, it’s not right or okay! I suggest we all keep tabs on and support what this group is doing to keep “church and state” separated in our government.

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/Media_video/lawsuit/index.html

9 11 2008
Steph in KS

I think they should stick with Sarah Palin for 2012. I rather like the idea of having Obama be a two term President.

Those silly Republicans. When will they learn they need to govern closer to the center and not further out into wingnut land? You’d think Obama picking up 9 formerly red states and winning by 5-6 points would have at LEAST taught them that the country is turning MORE liberal, not LESS.

9 11 2008
Lulu

Oh, GOP. Please run Palin in 2012. PLEASE DO IT. As a Democrat, I’m begging you! Pretty please?

Can imagine all the infighting amid Romney, Huckabee, Jindal and Gingrich? And those are just the ones who already are up in running in Iowa now; there will be more GOPers to seek the nomination for sure. Watch for it in 2009.

YES, GOP, PLEASE PUT PALIN IN THERE with all of those seasoned professionals. It will defuse all the GOP resources and the experienced, wealthy, GOPers will take her out first, using their own monies and the party’s coffers. YES!!!! YES!!! YES!!! This makes my day.

9 11 2008
Lulu

Re: their brilliant slogan. “Palin in 2012: You can keep THE CHANGE.”

Is it just me or does that remind any of you of menopause issues?

9 11 2008
Toon Moene

Guess what ?

It’s probably too wide for my bicycle (I biked coast-to-coast twice, in ’86 and ’96).

9 11 2008
denisermt

Oh God, no. Please anything but the She-Bush. Hold me.

9 11 2008
PC in DC

Newt’s stuff is the kind of crap that makes the Baby Jesus cry. Why would they promote that “gas-guzzlin’ SUV”? WTF? Are they really that stupid or just that stuck in the past?

9 11 2008
SoCal Bob

We beat her once, we’ll beat her again. Imagine, Sarah having a clue about world issues and debating Barack. Remember, she has to start campaigning in about 2 years. I don’t think the RNC could afford her wardrobe for a 2 year run.

9 11 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

I believe the GOP is trying to use a little bit of reverse psychology! Knowing that people would start to feel sorry for Palin so she can be the leader of the GOP! I hope people don’t buy in to this feeling sorry for her ass!

Also, we need to save every article about Palin and what’s going on in Alaska from this point forward.

We want to make sure, articles about her, and the family don’t disappear from news articles, should she make a run for POTUS in 2012.

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Lulu (10:56:49) :

Spot on Lulu. In 4 years, at 48, SP will be at least peri-menopausal, if not menopausal.

If she thinks this election was making her all hot and sweaty she is in for a big surprise.

She will be praying that they ‘keep the change’.

9 11 2008
ED

Sarah Palin has to answer not only for the things she has done in Alaska but she MUST answer to her hate speech during the campaign that has inspired domestic terrorists to target the president elect. I don’t care if she knows if Africa is a continent. When are journalists going to ask her about her terrorist inspiring speeches?

Remember, Sarah, terrorists come in all colors and when YOU make a speech that causes members of the audience to yell, “Kill him” YOU are pallin’ with terrorists. Actually worse, you are inciting terrorism.

Maybe we need a bumper sticker: “Sarah Palin Incites Terrorism”, That’s OK but you guys could think of a much better one.

9 11 2008
Lulu

The other thing I would like to point out, in terms of branding, that in addition to bringing up language which means something to women (“the change”), it is also a very strange slogan in times of an economic meltdown. Hey, I am keeping change this year; we all are. As a nation, we’re broke.

I guarantee you no successful communications/advertising specialist would sign off on such a questionable slogan. Maybe it involves the same talented GOP media folks who just handled McCain’s campaign. And we all know how well they did….(the worse campaign management/branding I can remember in my lifetime)

9 11 2008
Jay

The Republican party has piqued, their base is shrinking and my sense is that Palin will be delivering embarrassing one-liners right up until her announcement in 2012, without ever acknowledging the elephant in the room: A glaring lack of cultural diversity in their party played a monumental part in their loss this election. Add to that a growing population of young voters, and what we have to look forward to in 2012 is a repeat of 2008. In short, the Rep. party is their own worst enemy, so let them be.

Gov. Palin seem incapable of grasping the magnitude of her loss. She can master civics and foreign policy in the next few years and still fail to fix the problem. Her politics of division is thrift-shop old. But I say let her have it. It makes every Democrat’s job easier when the opposition rallies to an empty room. My prediction is a rise of Independents who will bring more trouble (and competition) to the Republicans in the coming years.

Soon it’ll be time to focus on new policies and time to leave this chapter behind. Thank you for all the excellent reporting on this site. I can’t recall when it became my home page, but it is. Keep up the great work.

9 11 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Look Out Below!!!!!!

9 11 2008
RubyTopaz

I’d love to see Palin try out for the ’12 GOP nom. Those primary debates will be a hoot to watch!

9 11 2008
AHiredGun

As George W. Bush once stated: “Bring it on!”

9 11 2008
RubyTopaz

Ed, how about “Sarah Palin: Bringin’ racism back one moron at a time”

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

“YOU CAN KEEP THE CHANGE””

‘BEGS’ PALIN 2012

9 11 2008
Anonymous

AKM, stop bangin’ your head on it, and it’ll stop hurtin’ also!

9 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

Keep the change? That doesn’t sound very fiscally conservative.

9 11 2008
pvazwindy

Well she’s off to the Republican Governors Convention next week. Lets see what family members travel with her and how much she sticks to Alaska for reimbursement.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

Well, if I can keep “the Change”, I’ll vote for Obama again in 2012.

9 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

Also, I thought republicans didn’t tip? Also.

9 11 2008
Mired...in the Pine Barrens aka Sap Needles Understory

Maybe this is why Palin said she wasn’t really interested in running for Steven’s Senate seat if it becomes available. Obviously, she has bigger plans in the works.

9 11 2008
West Virginian

Amazing! Maybe she and Todd can run on a Palin/Palin ticket.

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

“Durn it! I changed into a GRANDMA!!” SP 2012.

9 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble (11:19:10) : Right with you on that! I think I WILL keep that change.

9 11 2008
Ripley in CT

dag nabbit.. I came out as “Anonymous”… I had cleared my cache today!!!

9 11 2008
Proud Community OrganizerWA

After reading the recent blogs this morning I have come to realize we really need Alaskans to hold SP accountable and keep holding her feet to the fire! You are our only hope. Please keep working to bring her down in disgrace because she is disgraceful and I believe corrupt to her core. I would say soul but I am at the point where I really don’t think she has one.

9 11 2008
Ripley in CT

OOOhhhh and I love “Keep the Change- Obama/Biden 2012”

9 11 2008
gizmo

The Obama win was the best thing to happen to this country in a very long time. Watching the Republicans writhe and squirm and weep and moan and flagellate themselves is the icing on the cake.

9 11 2008
Lulu

LOL, UK Lady!

pvazwindy (11:18:34) wrote :
“Well she’s off to the Republican Governors Convention next week. Lets see what family members travel with her and how much she sticks to Alaska for reimbursement.”

If I were an Alaskan, I would truly be wondering: When is she ever in Alaska doing the state’s business? Why does she think running our huge state is a part-time job, esp. when she herself said the state is so important to nat’l security and energy production?

9 11 2008
Brian Koller

Don’t read too much into this. The Gingrich group is attempting to make money by selling bumper stickers. Gingrich is not the Republican Party, although he certainly exerts strong influence over it.

Palin has little chance of winning the 2012 Republican nomination, because it is likely to be a repeat of 2008: the moderate candidate beats a slew of right-wingers in the primaries. But if Palin should against all probability win the nomination, she would surely be wiped out by Obama during the general election. West Virginia and Tennessee notwithstanding.

9 11 2008
Brian aka Snooker Hinge Palin

Speaking of bumper stickers, this one was spotted in Connecticut: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_stuMq1GJnrA/SRZsZA4k_WI/AAAAAAAADGk/aPEPCiqsDZ8/s1600-h/got+ammo.jpg

At this point, I think the most dangerous terrorists we face are our own homegrown, Palin-inspired, skinheaded, right wing whackjobs.

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Brian Koller (11:27:24) :

Thanks for the info Brian, I don’t think many of us are taking the bumper sticker too seriously, we are just letting off a little steam and having some fun after a long and stressful election cycle. Yup!, that’s what were doin, you betcha!

9 11 2008
Bec -Yes We Did - in Illinois

Wise observation, Brian. I fully agree. There will be a new pool of Republicans, enough of them with skills and smarts, to dampen any far right hopes for Palin. But it will be fun to watch.

9 11 2008
austintx

Ah – good ol’ newt – served his first wife with divorce papers while she was laying in bed in a cancer ward……..there is a special room in hell for his stupid punk ass…….what a penis with ears……..

9 11 2008
West Virginian

Hey Brian–I’m really hoping WV sees the “blue” next time!

9 11 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

I keep saying over and over that I used to be a registered Republican and I still read their blogs, Free Republic in particular and I know for a fact these people are not going to let Palin drop even thought the Republican Party wants rid of her.

So please, please good people of Alaska take her out at the state level now so she has no national political potential in 2012. If I were an Alaskan citizen I’d start the recall myself.

9 11 2008
HamletsMill

Right-Wing Media Quickly Feeds Its Post-Election Anger

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/09/right-wing-media-quickly_n_142440.html

A person on Huffungton Post wrote that we must push back on right wing radio every day now for the next four years. Our Democratic media outlets and perhaps here on Mudflats must monitor Rush Limbaugh, Shaun Hannity, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Michelle Maulkin, Laura Ingram, and Ann Coulter and tell the public what these people are spewing from time to time so we can push back. Especially on their blatant lies and despicable propaganda for money to hold their pathetic hate Kool Aid drinking audiences. I think MudCops can post monitor reports from time to time on the already existing Future of Right Wing Talk Radio thread in the Forum. These foolish people are very dangerous to some warped people out there. We must monitor this drivel from time to time and push back in ways we can figure out.

This was my comment on Huffington Post to a comment on monitoring them and pushing back in any lawful way we can.

“I completely agree. If one of these multi-millionaire rabid hate mongers and rabble rousers incite any act of violence with their irresponsible uncivil talk they and their sponsors must be held fully accountable by the public. Lawsuits. Boycotts. Because every person in this country knows that there is the very real possibility of vigilante justice upon them, their families, their friends, and radio network if they have incited criminal and unlawful conduct or violence in this nation. They should think deeply about that reality every second they open their mouth at the microphone for the next four years. Fair political criticism is fine. That is what our country is all about. But recklessly inciting violence in low IQ rabid automatons could quite possibly be returned upon them in retribution and every street smart person in this country knows it. During Sarah Palin’s shameful and shocking personal diatribes against Presidential Candidate Barack Obama threats on his life increased dramatically. He is now President Elect of the United States and will take office as President of the United States on January 20th, 2009. This kind of reckless vicious talk is playing with fire, it is very dangerous stuff, and it must stop as part of the political culture of our nation.

I plan on taking my business elsewhere from any of his former and current sponsors. I suggest others do likewise.

http://www.topplebush.com/boycott_rush.shtml

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@Forty Watt :
Jamie, I left a post for you on the previous thread. I’m grieved and disappointed to hear about your experience with a SWD. When you come home, you’re welcome to come and meet one that will wiggle her way back into your heart, I promise.
🙂🙂🙂

9 11 2008
Ripley in CT

West Virginian (11:36:16) :

The way that will happen is the same way it happened in NC…. more intelligent people like yourself will move there.

9 11 2008
Marnie

But there would still be all this great film footage. Sarah’s greatest words of wisdom. Particularly as she hasn’t yet figured out that she should just shut up. There may be weeks and months of really great post election Palinese moments that would just go to waste.

I saw today the she would not go on stage with GOP’ers who were pro choice. She went off on her own tangents in her speeches. She has alienated people and politicians in Alaska, and now, post election, is bad mouthing Republicans and Republican talking heads that she would need for a run at 2012.
She doesn’t know how to be a team player. And lacks common sense. (Maybe a little research on whether she was a selfish mavericky basketball player, or a team player who was helpful and generous with teammates?)

Not only has she chosen to stay dumb despite being a “quick study” but, like Bush, she cannot speak, and therefor probably can not think, coherently.

We’ve talked a lot about her probable NPD, but incoherent speech is an indication of a disconnect somewhere in the brain. Bush was never that bright and he was regularly drunk to the point that he couldn’t remember the morning after what had happened the night before, for 20 years or more. That’s his excuse, that and being just plain lazy and worthless. What’s Palins excuse. Not only does she regurgitate talking point in response to questions that aren’t about the points she answers with but she garbles multiple points, and the falls back or boy I love my flag, or American is great, or some religious platitude. There’s something up there that’s just not hooked up quite right.

I did warn, and I am sure anyone over, say, 25 knows, that the Republicans are not good losers. They will savage Obama and the Dems 24/7/365/4. We must remain stead fast, and when call on use cattle prods to get the Dem Congress to do right by us.

That got awfully long winded. Sorry.

9 11 2008
Bea

UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady (11:08:24) :

Lulu (10:56:49) :

Spot on Lulu. In 4 years, at 48, SP will be at least peri-menopausal, if not menopausal.

If she thinks this election was making her all hot and sweaty she is in for a big surprise.

She will be praying that they ‘keep the change’.
—-

Poor Sarah— from “Hottest Governor” to “Hot Flash-in-the-Pan”, an annoying interlude that we women will be thankful to get behind us… just like menopause.

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Talking great sense as usual Hamlets Mill

This is what I don’t understand. I thought America was very litigious, but the right wing seem to get away with telling lies all the time. Why aren’t they sued?

And for my money, Laura Ingrahams is getting worse by the day, she is practically rabid.

9 11 2008
deborah (also knowns as upnorthMN)

In response to the news that 64% of Repubs want Sarah to run in 2012, Paul Begala said, “Yes. And so do 100% of Democrats.” I know his point is that it would be a rout, but I say let’s make sure she is completely out of the picture, well before that. Whatever we can do. To quote one of my favorite bloggers. I mean it. Really.

Deborah (formerly upnorthMN)

9 11 2008
Who's on First

“No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”
H. L. Mencken

Be careful what you wish for. Please recall another charismatic, ignorant, reactionary celebrity-governor who was first discounted and then went on to win two Presidential terms, one by the largest landslide in US history – ronald reagan.

9 11 2008
BornOkayTheFirstTime

“I’ll keep my guns, freedom, and money.”

The chutzpah factor is high there. Nobody’s threatened to take away their guns that I’m aware of. With PATRIOT, domestic eavesdropping, erosion of habeas corpus, and so many other fascist-tinged policies, freedom has worn paper thin. And with the state of the economy, the only ones who have money to speak of are the ideologues like Limbaugh who prop people like Palin up.

With any luck, the world with be a much different place in 2012, which makes launching a campaign four years early seem utterly absurd. I’ve spent the last couple weeks wondering, once Obama wins the election, what happens to these authoritarian Repub creeps? They’ve thrown around labels like muslim (not even a bad thing in and of itself), socialist, communist, and terrorist sympathizer, all for the sake of rhetoric. On November 5th and after, there are right-wing followers who still insist those lies are true, and they’re not going to de-program willingly. So what are they going to do when they still have their guns, their freedom is restored, and their economic standing is better?

. . . Okay, I’m not really sure where I’m going with this now, just venting some frustration over the right-wing mentality.

9 11 2008
soozzie

You realize, don’t you, that “Mudflats” will become even more important as the “Palin 2012” campaign continues? We all rely on you to keep us up-to-date with all things Palin, an easy-reference guide to Her Wacky-ness so that in the event her head hovers over our airspace again, a la Putin, we will know what to do.

And many thanks, BTW, for all your work over the past months; between you and fivethirtyeight.com I’ve kept sane and ulcer-free.

9 11 2008
Marnie

Nice article in The Nation. “Sayonara, Sarah”

Talks about the fact the two major players in this years election cycle were women and also that they were very differnt types of women.

“Like everyone else, they [anti-feminist women] want respect and power, and now, finally, thanks to the women’s movement they despise, they may actually get some.”

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081124/pollitt

Please, somebody who’s a techy, tell me how to get the address to link, when I put it in the comment box.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Greetings mudpups..

Been actually doing things and been offline.. whoohoo..! There’s still a world out there!

I’ve got to agree with Lulu from earlier.

Palin 2012.. I, for one would love it. Let the little woman in and welcome her with open arms. Lets be real, shall we?

She is an ignorant doofus, and has one of the least appealing vocal approach to human communication as anyone I’ve ever seen. As someone in a business that requires speaking as a job requirement, I fully accept that Barbie would be pure entertainment if Barbie runs. Her vocal style is something akin to a mynah bird. She is awesome at parroting what she’s told and has a good memory. But, our President needs far more than those qualities.

And her personal style of using 100 words when 10 will do, will not serve her well in a Presidential campaign. She was unable to even pretend to have any obvious intellect, and there’s no real proof she’d be willing to learn and study for 4 years to be ready in 2012.

My guess is she’ll do what she’s done her entire political career, get back to Alaskan politics and assume her new fame will be enough to get her on the ballot in 2012. But, fear not kids. As a presidential candidate, she won’t be able to hide behind anyone’s combover. There won’t be a John McGrumpy to shield her. Nancy, Dougie and Tucker can’t hide her. She’ll have to face a merciless press and need real answers, not Palinisms that smack right in the face of stupidity.

Let’s welcome Barbie in 2012 and hope she wins the primaries. It would truly be enjoyable to watch her against what may well be the most popular president in American history. She’d lose even worse the second time than the first.

9 11 2008
kathy in Austin

You know, we have spent almost the last decade having to play defense while the Republican administration pushed everything in the wrong direction. Now that we can use our power and energy for pushing things in a better direction, we should have plenty of steam in 2012 to defend our party against their nominee… I hope it is Sarah Palin!

If this election showed us anything it is that by staying on real messages, being respectful and not playing dirty games, Obama captured a landslide of voters. Palin represents exactly why the GOP lost this time around. Let them keep barking up that tree for as long as they are willing! I’ll donate the lipstick!

9 11 2008
mmboucher (Florida)

Would Todd pass security backround after being a member of the AIP? Would he be allowed in the white house as resident?

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Marnie – I think you just do what you just did. LOL.

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@ Geneva FreeSpeech (10:51:56) :

“We don’t need an IQ test–but a series of press conferences should be mandatory. I’d also vote for a complete psychological profile along with some serious medical tests. I’ve known several people who are ministers in mainline denominations and they had to do psych testing and a detailed physical before being ordained.”

Now wait. Why should this be mandatory for all candidates but not the crazy idiots who vote! I mean, after all, she ran but how many people voted for her? Some of those nut jobs at her rallies should have been tested, received a 0 and been sent to the closest ward!

Re: Gingrich selling the bumber stickers to earn money, yeah after what was spent on SP they went bankrupt! They have less than 4 years to find the bucks to finance the next campaign.

@austintx (11:36:11) : … a penis with ears… LOL🙂

@Jay :
“She can master civics and foreign policy in the next few years …”

Nah, don’t think so. She can try but she doesn’t seem to have a thinkin’ girls brain or a master of the English language. She showed that she can master memorizing some talking points and basic ideas, but with no curiosity or judgment or ability to look at something from any side other than her own, it could be difficult. And anyway, for some strange reason, she is one of those people that can’t just answer a question. She blathers on and on as if she thinks that quantity of words shows smarts rather than tying your tongue in knots and showing your stupidity.

9 11 2008
A Fan From Chicago

I’ve thought about this a lot in the last week.

Of all the “Gates” that we’ve learned about over the past two months – Trooper, House, Per Diem, Trig, Wardrobe, Office Remodeling, Bristol, Witchcraft Guy, Five Colleges – the one that has bothered me the most, and that I think will somewhat define the M/P experience, will be Hate Gate, and its sibling, Fear Gate.

I’ve checked out many of the links that Mudflatters have posted over these many weeks and most were funny, poignant or informative as hell. But I’ve found myself particularly taken by the ones that showed M/P supporters lined up outside their rallies.

With a camera clearly in their face (no gotcha’ journalism here) ordinary Americans had no qualms about telling the world that Obama was a Socialist, Marxist, Terrorist, Scarey Muslim, Not Like Us, N-word, Baby Killer, Foreigner, Wealth Redistributor, Appeaser, Job Killer, Can’t Use the Word Victory Regarding Iraq-er.

And where did they get these notions? From McCain and Palin. And most especially Palin. This woman took a limited ability, a massive ego and a thin resume into a meeting with John McCain and didn’t blink. And then she took the show on the road with a daily diatribe against a sitting United States Senator that had only one purpose – to rile up the faithful in a frightening way.

Who are these people and why are they so full of hate? Do most of them even know what the words mean that they’re using? How dare Sarah Palin plant and stoke their fears like that. Aren’t we better than this or am I living in a parallel universe?

Maybe so, manybe the one we saw in Grant Park Tuesday night.

It’s a great Parlor Game laughing at the stupidities and painful limitations of Sarah Palin. But we need to look beyond that at what kind of a person she really is. Stupid. Insanely ambitious. Shameless. Ruthless.

A pretty frightening combo platter.

9 11 2008
Pacificnwgal

Perhaps the extra billions Congress approved in the bailout package that included mental health treatment will help the sick people like Ann Coulter and Limbaugh, to name a few, come to their senses. In any case, in four more years Americans will be on a better road to the future, so these kinds of people will not have much effect.

9 11 2008
Kate in Canada

Repost- I put it in a completed thread before. Sorry.

Found this blog while following Canadian news on Palin.
This post is about different evangelical ideas of the millemium.
http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/thesearch/archive/2008/11/08/hidden-end-times-beliefs-still-steer-north-american-politicians-despite-defeat-of-palin.aspx

9 11 2008
SoCal Bob

Anonymous (11:17:33) :
AKM, stop bangin’ your head on it, and it’ll stop hurtin’ also!

Ah, Sarah, nice of you to stop by and see what the real world thinks of you.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Hmm.. seems im limited to really short posts.. think i aggrevated the spam monsters

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Well, where did i go now? This is not too good..

9 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ Marnie (11:51:44)

It links just fine when it shows up as a post.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

wow.. maybe it works?

Been actually doing things and been offline.. whoohoo..! There’s still a world out there!

I’ve got to agree with Lulu from earlier.

Palin 2012.. I, for one would love it. Let the little woman in and welcome her with open arms. Lets be real, shall we?

She is an ignorant doofus, and has one of the least appealing vocal approach to human communication as anyone I’ve ever seen. As someone in a business that requires speaking as a job requirement, I fully accept that Barbie would be pure entertainment if Barbie runs. Her vocal style is something akin to a mynah bird. She is awesome at parroting what she’s told and has a good memory. But, our President needs far more than those qualities.

And her personal style of using 100 words when 10 will do, will not serve her well in a Presidential campaign. She was unable to even pretend to have any obvious intellect, and there’s no real proof she’d be willing to learn and study for 4 years to be ready in 2012.

My guess is she’ll do what she’s done her entire political career, get back to Alaskan politics and assume her new fame will be enough to get her on the ballot in 2012. But, fear not kids. As a presidential candidate, she won’t be able to hide behind anyone’s combover. There won’t be a John McGrumpy to shield her. Nancy, Dougie and Tucker can’t hide her. She’ll have to face a merciless press and need real answers, not Palinisms that smack right in the face of stupidity.

Let’s welcome Barbie in 2012 and hope she wins the primaries. It would truly be enjoyable to watch her against what may well be the most popular president in American history. She’d lose even worse the second time than the first.

9 11 2008
Marnie

Off Topic Please don’t even suggest leaking medical records. HIPPA is a law that is inforced.
I’m not a Hollywood fan but what ever movie/TV star (Rosemary Clooney’s son)was in an accident last year – over 100 employees of the hospital he was in lost their jobs because they went into his medical records without the proper need to know.

9 11 2008
Northern Exposure

Palin in 2012 will ensure another win for the Democrats!! Go for it, Republicans!

9 11 2008
shell from Ohio

slightly OT but any coin collectors out there? I just saw a commemorative coin of Obama on QVC. Here’s the link.

http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.item.C8907.desc.Commemorative-44th-Presidential-Obama-ColorizedCoin

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@Marnie:
(Maybe a little research on whether she was a selfish mavericky basketball player, or a team player who was helpful and generous with teammates?)

Marnie – why do you think they nicknamed her “Barracuda”? It wasn’t cause she could swim.

9 11 2008
szn46

That is not only appalling but brilliant if you are an oxycontin gasbag!

Thank God! Their bad diets of hate-filled garbage will knock them off at an early age. Hopefully their pride will not allow them to enjoy single payer health-care on the public dime since they are so against it.

I am sort of curious enough to look it up myself but do not want to spend the time cleaning all the right wing flying monkey ‘cookies’ out of my computer…Thanks for doing the dirty work…my head explodes even when I hear a clip from him on Air America.

9 11 2008
mmboucher (Florida)

Remember on the video a couple threads back, Sarah was asked if she prepped for the Katie Couric interview, and she said yes she prepped for all of them. Can you jut see her with on the spot questions about any world problems? She would be the laughing stock of America!

9 11 2008
HamletsMill

Lulu (11:09:59) :

And we all know how well they did….(the worst campaign management/branding I can remember in my lifetime)
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AMEN! It was just appalling! That idiot Rick Davis that ran McPOW and Ice Floe Barbie’s campaign should now be squgeeing car windshields at a stop sign for a living. This man utterly disgraced himself. This guy should never work in politics ever again. His wife, if he has one, should divorce him. How he ran that campaign is surely grounds in divorce court! Read all of the red flags here that this guy did not have the chops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Davis_(politics)

Apparently picking him and his firm was another catastrophic McLame rash “gut decision”. As we now all know, picking Sarah Palin as a running mate was a decision completely from outer space. What was this man thinking? Just profundly cosmically disastrous.

But we will all take the win thank you very much! But from the perspective of today what utter morons it turns out Obama and his brilliant and formidable massive ground troops organization were up against.

Yes. Watch it again and take a BREATH!

9 11 2008
Bea

Who’s on First (11:47:59) :

Be careful what you wish for. Please recall another charismatic, ignorant, reactionary celebrity-governor who was first discounted and then went on to win two Presidential terms, one by the largest landslide in US history – ronald reagan.
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It is certainly worth remembering Reagan and the other idiot governor that still sits in the Oval Office for a few more weeks, HOWEVER (and it is a BIG however indeed), both of those guys got in before YouTube and vigilent bloggers like AKM made it harder to get away with idiocy and shenanigans.

Even in the 2004 election, the internet was not the place where 30+ percent of the electorate gets their news like it is today. By 2012, that number could DOUBLE. Right now, the right wing owns the radio and WE rule the internet. Let’s make the most of it while the GOP struggles to catch up!

9 11 2008
szn46

Oh yeah, anyone figure out who the ‘contractor buddies were that built Palin’s house? I just KNOW it will turn out to be a coincidence that they were working on the Hockey rink…

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

“But, fear not kids. As a presidential candidate, she won’t be able to hide behind anyone’s combover.”

Ah, Marty (VA), you kill me…

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

A repug talking head apparently missed the news that Obama won.. He was just on MSNBC talking about how Obama will raise income taxes.

The dem opposition said perhaps the GOP should try to become more open to a new admin and try to work together instead of still spewing the same BS as the mcfailed campaign did for so long.

9 11 2008
pvazwindy

Statistics was not my favorite class ever. But Nate Silver over at 538 and how he crunches numbers, makes my head hurt. In short, he thinks that Begich has a real chance to pull ahead of Stevens. I hope he’s correct in his projections. If so, Alaskans have two years to drum roll her out of office. And if those opposition groups in Anchorage and other surrounds keep up the pressure on SP, I think she will be reduced to a inconsequential has been.

9 11 2008
Forty Watt

I have struggled not to get involved with the whole Trig controversy. But since Marnie brought up HIPPA, I want to ask, if the doctor who delivered Trig did NOT deliver him of Bristol, how would it be wrong to say so? If Bristol was not the patient no law would be broken by stating that fact, or am I missing something here?

9 11 2008
Rapture Spenard Palin

Since we are way ahead of the curve in terms of soulless sarah running for pres, we just need to keep an eye on all sorts of sarah stuff and smack her with it when she announces. I’ve got one. Who thinks sarah might just want to make herself look younger when it is time to run? As you said, she’ll be peri-menopausing it. Wanna bet there will be some plastic surgery before 2012? This is the digital camera age. We MUST take pictures of sarah in every situation for the next 4 years. There will be something in those pics we can use. And of course we will keep track of every stupid thing she says, that’s a given. And she will have to start raising money, so there will be dubious fundie donors to eyeball.
Go ahead, sarah, start making plans. We will be one step ahead of you the whole way. You made it personal with half the country. You will regret that.

9 11 2008
Scott

Thank goodness for Palin’s nomination. She certainly helped sink McCain’s campaign and for that I am thankful. Watching her post-election interviews I feel more and more that she isn’t the future of any party.

9 11 2008
More Light than Heat

David Brookes predicted that the GOP would decide that they hadn’t been conservative enough. Well, I suspect that after 4 years of President Obama, the majority of America will have figured out that he’s not some European-style Socialist, that things are getting better, and that they don’t want to go back to the hate and fear-filled times of Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin.

Yes, we definitely need to keep track of these folks. They won’t go quietly into the night. Just as Barack and Joe B kept track of them but otherwise essentially ignored them, we should do the same. Stick to the issues and the facts. Prove the other side is irrelevant, that their ideas aren’t what America wants. But prove it through truth, through actions, through the “Yes We Can” attitude. And keep the hope alive and well. Love won, and it will win again.

Don’t forget all those smart Republicans — folks like George Will, David Brookes, Andrew Sullivan, Chris Buckley and others — they all endorsed Obama. I find it hard to imagine that the pro-business, fiscal conservatives and their think tanks will support her.

9 11 2008
Georgia peach

why am I no longer surprised?

9 11 2008
Bea

Rapture Spenard Palin (12:09:21) : Wanna bet there will be some plastic surgery before 2012?
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I’m pretty sure that ship has sailed. if you look at pics of her from when she was a few years younger, her chin and neck are A LOT less firm and methinks she’s had cheek implants as well.

Remember, it may seem to the world that she was thrust upon the stage w/out warning, but she’s been campaigning for this behind the scenes for awhile. Too bad for her that she thought good looks and winky perkiness was more important than any fancy, elite book learnin’— but GREAT for us! 😉

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Which tool was it who said he felt little starbursts coming out of the TV when he saw SP’s convention speech? I know it was a talking head (teeHee).

But will ‘starbursts’ still ‘erupt’, when SP is a peri-menopausal grannie in high heels and red leather? YUK.

9 11 2008
deborah

@Lori W. (10:32:42) : The smart people have arrived, awake and viligant.
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I couldn’t agree more!

@Lulu (10:56:49) :

Re: their brilliant slogan. “Palin in 2012: You can keep THE CHANGE.”
Is it just me or does that remind any of you of menopause issues?
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My god girl…you are just tooooo much!

@HamletsMill (11:36:53) : Yes. let’s boycott Rush’s advertisers. I wonder if there is a more recent list. I followed the link and it’s list of Rush sponsors was last updated in 2003. I’ll do some investigatin’

@Jay (11:10:31) :
Your use of “piqued” as double entendre (whether intended or not) was brilliant!

@ Ripley in CT (11:26:01) :
OOOhhhh and I love “Keep the Change- Obama/Biden 2012″
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Love it, Ripley. Our version of “stay the course”

Deborah (formerly upnorthMN)

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Before I head off to bed, I want to repost this beautiful editorial, for those who missed it, from the Nov 5 Le Monde’s Special 12-page supplement “L’Amerique choisit Barack Obama” written by a regular columnist Robert Solé. This was written in English followed in parenthesis by the French translation :

Sorry we can’t

SORRY. No column today. The keyboard is not responding. History is a page being turned. Three words on the screen: “Yes we can.” While it is impossible to joke with genocide or disaster, it is equally impossible to joke with an event that makes you weep for joy. The first worldwide good news since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 needs more than a pirouette or an amused wink. At this moment – but for how long? – we can say with far more conviction than on 11 September 2001 : we are all Americans.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

2012 is so far away, it’s completely irrelevant. In fact, my suspicion is simple.

If Obama does well, people are improving financially, the world starts to actually like us again, he solves global warming, and everyone has healthcare, what exactly would the Repug strategy be?

“We want change to make America worse? Lets get back to being hated in the world, lets get that ole economy tanking again, and while we’re at it, lets get the price of gas over $5.00 a gallon. Take away healthcare, destroy Social Security and start a few wars with our new ex-allies.”

Palin in 2012. Remember the title of the MASH theme song, Barbie.. “Suicide is Painless”

9 11 2008
Anonymous

UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady (12:17:35) wrote :
Which tool was it who said he felt little starbursts coming out of the TV when he saw SP’s convention speech? I know it was a talking head (teeHee).
But will ’starbursts’ still ‘erupt’, when SP is a peri-menopausal grannie in high heels and red leather? YUK.”

It was Rich Lowry of National Review Online…

9 11 2008
SE_Idaho_Reader

The Los Angeles Times published an excellent story today, entitled “Right-wing media feeds its post-election anger”

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-onthemedia9-2008nov09,0,800478.story

It quotes Rush Limbaugh as telling his listeners on Thursday, two days after the election, “The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen,… Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression.”

In a column appearing in the local newspaper in Idaho, the former chair of the county Republican party gave Obama exactly two years to correct all the problems of the U.S. economy, because, after all, these problems were all created by a Congress dominated by Democrats for the past two years.

I tuned into Rush for a little bit on Thursday, and was astonished to hear him report that voter turn out for this election was lower than the previous election. Then I logged onto Mudflats and learned that the election results just aren’t adding up in Alaska.

AKM’s mother is a wise woman; we can’t understand what we must fight against if we don’t know what Rush, Hannity and their ilk are driving into the heads of their followers.

9 11 2008
MomsHugs (aka Eve)

HamletsMill: Okay, who’s first in line to listen to Rush, then rush right here with names of his advertisers & shut down the money pipe. Money talks loudest of all!!

9 11 2008
Frank LI,NY

I find this very funny. P.E O. hasn’t even gotten a chance to use the W H boys room yet, and they are talking about four years from now. Unless the R’s are putting in their sacrificial lamb. knowing P.E. Obama is gonna kick some serious butt.
Makes sense to me, also too.

9 11 2008
Lulu

UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady (12:17:35) wrote :
“Which tool was it who said he felt little starbursts coming out of the TV when he saw SP’s convention speech? I know it was a talking head (teeHee).
But will ’starbursts’ still ‘erupt’, when SP is a peri-menopausal grannie in high heels and red leather? YUK.””

It was Rich Lowry of the National Review Online, I believe….

9 11 2008
deborah

@More Light than Heat (12:14:11) :
Excellent comment MLTH. My thoughts exactly… We need to encourage the few remaining thinking republicans to take back their party. And render the others irrelevant. We need a worthy opponent. It keeps us honest. And it is (or used to be) the American way.

Deborah (formerly known as upnorthMN

9 11 2008
Bethsy in the Midwest

Is there any reason to allow people to do the “First!” posts? If they were just deleted, I would assume they’d stop.

9 11 2008
Marnie

Either AKM put the link or it was Magic! ooooEEEEEEEoooo

9 11 2008
austintx

Bea – a couple of us down here think she had “breast enhancement”………also Kathy in Austin……north or south of the river??

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Look, there are those Repugs who know they lost the election by moving way far right and sucking up to the Evangelical “base” and that want to return to the days of moderate, caring Repugs. Then there are those Palin-atics who think that the Party needs to move even farther right. So the Repug Party splits into two and we now have a three-party system. So now the Repug vote is split in two and WE win hands down! So I say “Go Sarah!”

9 11 2008
deborah

I don’t mind the “first” posts, even though i’m never in on them. And it’s sort of a tradition here. What bothers you about them Bethsy?

9 11 2008
Lulu

I have a question. Why will anyone on the GOP side listen to any of their extreme right-wing entertainers anymore (Rush, Laura, Sean et al)? They were all WRONG in 2008. They have a lousy track record in the new 21st century. Isn’t their credibility shot? That’s another point we could make with their advertisers.

9 11 2008
Emjay

say no to palin in politics

People should visit the website to learn how far the christian right has infiltrated the military. Mikey Weinstein has impressive creditials including military service. Read about him here http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/weinstein2.html

The hate and anger from the right scares me. I don’t know how this can be resolved. It is scary to read the things they write and speak. It’s like we’ve been invaded by outer-space aliens.

9 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

Someone commented a few weeks ago that when SP lifted her chin in a particular photo, you could see the scars from a chin tuck. Was it Shikago? Marty? Bobg? Quite sure it was a “male identified” frequent commenter. Might have been in the context of that donkey scarf…

9 11 2008
HamletsMill

Looks like we may get some European help in taking these idiots on. This from the UK!

Rush Limbaugh: The man who’s always Right

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/3286392/Rush-Limbaugh-The-man-whos-always-Right.html

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Bea (12:15:13) :

Interesting theory Bea. Have you any links to old pics?

I did wonder if the lipliner was tattoed on. I know that idea was bandied about, but wasn’t sure. If they are, it does suggest someone who is ready to suffer pain for their appearance. Personally, I think she will regret that particular treatment. When her lips inevitably wrinkle, this will draw attention to them. And having to wear lipstick all the time, how boring.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Just think if the Repugs split into two parties, they could have Palin/Joe The Fake Plumber as the leader of the new ARNP.. American Revised Nazi Party.

Joe already looks like skinhead to me, wonder if he’s got the crosses on his shoulder.

9 11 2008
pvazwindy

If someone asks a question. How do you put the answer in their post? Anyone.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

PV, you cant.. cut and paste and respond in a new post..

9 11 2008
Anonymous

Bethsy in the Midwest (12:26:08) :

Is there any reason to allow people to do the “First!” posts? If they were just deleted, I would assume they’d stop.
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AKM and the mudpups tend to like uncensored. That includes uncensored silliness (which I have engaged in myself more often than not), disgust, anger, and joy. Just scroll past anything you don’t like. As a rule, the only stuff that gets deleted is posted by trolls.

9 11 2008
Mainlander

Jindal will be their next pretty boy. Keep up your efforts….she doesn’t seem honest. Find out about Trig….that seems like such a cover-up.

9 11 2008
pvazwindy

Thank you Marty

9 11 2008
Bobg

Re: Sarah Palin:

The ultra-conservative right wing Evangelical Republicans have highjacked the Republican Party. To this loony group Sarah Palin is the savior of the world and the one that will lead the world to the conversion to Christianity. Believe me; you will hear from her again. God help us if she somehow gets the seat soon to be vacated by Ted Sticky Fingers Stevens. She will use the Senate to propel herself to national dive-in-charge of the GOP.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Even trolls posts get left active unless it’s really rude. They get ignored and go away. Although we’re so far away from mainstream america up here in Alaska, most people don’t have the fortitude for the cold climate here in AK..🙂

9 11 2008
JP aka Coloradonative living in NC Hussein

Ripley in CT (11:38:56) :

The way that will happen is the same way it happened in NC…. more intelligent people like yourself will move there.

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Hey, some of us have lived there for some time and had to put up with the Right wing neofascists winning election after election. Of course, Colorado hasn’t been much better at times (Tom Tancredo anyone?). Maybe people are getting smarter or maybe the results of Reptilian deregulation — the economy — were just too massive for them to sweep under the rug or distract the public with other crap.

I love your slogan “Keep the Change- Obama/Biden 2012″! Someone needs to print up some bumper stickers ASAP.

9 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

pvazwindy (12:37:03) :

If someone asks a question. How do you put the answer in their post? Anyone.
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Wordpress doesn’t do nesting comments, apparently. Usually people do what I have just done with your question — copy, paste, hit return a couple of times, and then answer. Hope this helps.

9 11 2008
Vlad the I'm Palin

Here’s a little something from today’s newspaper which should cheer everyone up. We might want to save this in case the Grifters come back in 2012. I wonder if her greed will win out? Lol

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=12b2f2e5-f6bc-4b24-af36-20bcdd9c3482&k=45290

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Just as an observation.. Shouldn’t we at least get thru 2009 before discussion of 2012?

We need the honeymoon so we can all fall in love with The Obama family and get to know them better.

I suggest we discuss Obama reelection stuff for another day, far far away..!

9 11 2008
SE_Idaho_Reader

I know two others have already posted this link, but it’s worth calling attention to one more time:

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/Media_video/lawsuit/index.html

This pertains to a celebration of Veteran’s Day this weekend, and is very much related to everything else discussed on this thread.

9 11 2008
futurexpat?

I appreciate your subscribing to this. That takes real intestinal fortitude to read that garbage. It’s sort of like the newshounds website that watches FAUX news so we don’t have to. It takes a strong stomach. Thanks, AKM.

9 11 2008
Marnie

Jamie, Floridian in France
“Why do you think they nicknamed her “Barracuda”? It wasn’t cause she could swim.”
Depends on whether she was a barracuda to the other team or to her own team mates.
Listening the folks that worked with her on the campaign as well as troopergate and other acts of social violence, I’d guess she’s just palin mean.

Or maybe in highschool she showed her teeth and wiggled her tail a lot.

9 11 2008
More Light than Heat

@ Deborah,
I’m not sure that your assessment of a “few remaining” republicans is accurate. Perhaps they might be better labeled “few remaining ADULT republicans.” 😉

They, and the millions of people who have left the GOP because it left them are the ones who deserve our support and encouragement. They are the ones who put country first. And they will seek to work for a better America. Even though I might differ with them on specific issues, they are people we can work with to solve our problems. I hope that they will regain a voice and marginalize the hate-mongers. There is no place for them in the public square. And the fact that they were encouraged in their bigotry is deplorable.

On a different but related note, I love the married, lesbian couple in Murrietta, CA, who posted a sign in their front yard reading, “Shall we vote on YOUR marriage now???”

9 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

Anonymous (12:40:38) :

Bethsy in the Midwest (12:26:08) :

Is there any reason to allow people to do the “First!” posts? If they were just deleted, I would assume they’d stop.
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AKM and the mudpups tend to like uncensored. That includes uncensored silliness (which I have engaged in myself more often than not), disgust, anger, and joy. Just scroll past anything you don’t like. As a rule, the only stuff that gets deleted is posted by trolls.
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Oops, that was me. I certainly wasn’t trying to hide my identity, but sometimes I forget to type my e-mail before posting.

9 11 2008
ds55

Just searched CafePress for “keep the change” and found a lot of variations of the slogan. I agree with JP: We should adopt the slogan for ourselves. “Keep the Change – Obama/Biden 2012”.

9 11 2008
mmboucher (Florida)

Don’t forget Alaska’s $40 billion savings has gone down to $30 billion due to the stock market, maybe less by now. Sarah said in her video oil is down to $60+ from $147 per barrel, the poor people in Alaska that got $3200 + per person will probally go back to $1200 or nothing, and they won’t lke her sooo much next year!

9 11 2008
MomsHugs (aka Eve)

The junk-yard dogs don’t stop they merely genuflect. Anyone live in Texas? They need you to help rid the Texas School Board of crazies, aka Palin-Pals – ranting extremists – VERY PO’d obviously.

Sign up with the Texas Freedom Network: http://www.tfn.org
TFN Blog: http://tfnblog.wordpress.com/

Comment on TFN’s Blog: “If anyone still doubts the extremism of the faction that controls the Texas State Board of Education, then read this from board member Cynthia Dunbar, R-Richmond. It’s one thing when the occasional fringe lunatic barfs up mindless smears and drivel. It’s quite another thing when a duly elected official of the State Board of Education accuses a major presidential candidate of being a traitor to his nation.

9 11 2008
Glenn2008

Would some adviser of SP tell her to do the humble right thing. For her own sake!

1. Admit she was not cut out to be a VP or president and apologize. Might throw in a little blame to McCain and his handlers.

2. Move on, become a TV host and continue entertaining the public as her main occupation.

9 11 2008
pvazwindy

the problem child (a jerk, also) (12:44:15) :

pvazwindy (12:37:03) :

If someone asks a question. How do you put the answer in their post? Anyone.
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WordPress doesn’t do nesting comments, apparently. Usually people do what I have just done with your question — copy, paste, hit return a couple of times, and then answer. Hope this helps.
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Hey I tried it and it worked! YIPPEE

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Wow..

For perhaps the neatest vote map I’ve ever seen, take a look at this one from the Wash Post.. (disclaimer, my hometown paper) Look at your county, or a variety of other views.

It takes a while to load, so be patient, as there is a ton of data to load…

What I find amazing is how red the country is in pure mass. All the votes in states we won are in a few counties per state, yet the actual acreage is clearly still very red. The work is far from done!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html

9 11 2008
264 Crayons

As for boycotting advertisers on Rush Radio, start by slamming Clear Channel Communications. They own seven stations in my area…I usually listen to CDs but every since SP opened her mouth at the convention I’ve been tuning in to hear what the OTHER side has to say. They disgust me to no end and are so rabid it’s scary. BUT we can’t stick our heads in the sand and wish them away.

Keep the Change? YOU BETCHA! Because the alternative is horrifying.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

AKM, if you’re around watching, you might want to snag the washpost vote map and make it a permanent link on the right. It’s really an amazing way to view how America voted.

9 11 2008
Marnie

Jamie, Floridian in France (12:21:43) :

“The first worldwide good news since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 ..”

My God. That takes my breath away. And for a Frenchman to say something like that……just leave me speechless.

9 11 2008
pvazwindy

I sure do love this community. Seems like the answer is out there, just ask for help. Well I gotta take a break my Aussie wants outside to chase rabbits. He’s had his eyes on em for the last hour or so, see ya later

9 11 2008
Ripley in CT

SoCal Bob (11:57:56) : Shame on you!!! That was ME, except I hadn’t put my name in the little box!!! Ick, I think I got some on me!

9 11 2008
Whiskey Otter

That “Palin 2012” portion of the bumper sticker looks like a knockoff of the Walmart logo.

Palin 2012 really doesn’t faze me. She’s a complete moron. Newt Gingrich and the rest of the buch need something to raise money with, and she’s pretty much all they have right now. The best of the worst, as they say.

The gas guzzin’ SUV part made me spit out some of my drink! Such idiocy. They’re all so proud of their stupidity.

9 11 2008
rf11 in FL

@AKM
I still don’t know if I want to fight Palin 2012 with every fiber of my being, or whether her candidacy would be the final salvo that would shatter the hull of the GOP and sent it plummeting to the bottom of the ocean.
___________________
Awww, the dilemma of our times. Maybe the answer will become clearer as we approach 2012.

9 11 2008
NMJ

Forty Watt (12:08:56) : I have struggled not to get involved with the whole Trig controversy. But since Marnie brought up HIPPA, I want to ask, if the doctor who delivered Trig did NOT deliver him of Bristol, how would it be wrong to say so? If Bristol was not the patient no law would be broken by stating that fact, or am I missing something here?

You missed the following: Doctor-Patient Confidentiality. It carries the same legal weight as lawyer-client confidentiality. Neither SP’s doctor nor her daughter’s has the legal right to say anything about their clients to anyone, much less to the public.

They’d probably get slapped in the hoosegow.

9 11 2008
yellowdoggranny

(sung to the tune of don’t it make my green eyes blue”….’don’t it make my red ass…blue’….
them republicans……..they’re so dumb they couldn’t pass a urine test.

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

A very powerful op-ed by Desmond tutu.. read this with my morning cuppa..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/07/AR2008110702896.html

9 11 2008
Rapture Spenard Palin

Bea,
I saw that site with the pics and I am kinda thinking she already went there too. But she might go back, or maybe there will be a leak about the first round. All I know is I aged a LOT between 45 and 50, so hopefully she will too. She uses her looks way more than her brain, and the only good thing I can think of in terms of the double standard of aging concerning women versus men is that it will also affect sarah. She only has a few more years of using her sex to get ahead before she looks like the rest of us middle aged women or starts showing obvious signs of plastic surgery addiction. Like I said, yay for the digital age. And the Internet. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. GILF will go down the tubes for those scuzzy frat boy followers when she starts reminding them more of their mothers. And let’s face it. That voice is just awful. She’s not going to get less screechy. Been doin’ it too long.
Go watch one of those interviews with sarah’s parents (well, daddy talks and mommy beams). That’s her future. Yeah, I’m mean, but she started it.

9 11 2008
Marnie

Jamie, Floridian in France (12:28:00) :

“So the Repug Party splits into two and we now have a three-party system.”

That is certainly possible. The elder statemen/big business Repubs are a distinct group for the religious right. It would be intereesting to watch.

I’ve been wishing for a viable third party most of my adult life, but a bunch of hate mongers screaming Sweet Jesus isn’t really what I had in mind. I was kind of thinking along the lines of a no war, balanced budge, support middle class and locally owned businesses kinda party.

9 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

Does everyone have their new “Yes We Did” sticker from moveon.org?

http://pol.moveon.org/shepstickers/

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Marnie, we already have that party, it’s called The Democratic Party.. !🙂

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

HamletsMill (12:35:07) :

Thanks to link from UK paper about Rush Limbaugh, is that ironic?,I never know. That was funny about him saying Obama was dead in the water voter wise.

9 11 2008
Pursang

pvazwindy (11:18:34) wrote :
“Well she’s off to the Republican Governors Convention next week. Lets see what family members travel with her and how much she sticks to Alaska for reimbursement.”
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Can the “Alaskan Women Against Sarah Palin” go to the airport each time Palin leaves on one of these junkets to see who she’s dragging with her? Then if you have a state FOIA request her travel claim to see how much she’s costing the taxpayers to go on these boondoggles. You also figure she’s a star now so she has to have an entourage of state employees accompany her so that’s more tax dollars down the drain.

I know it may sound vindictive to continue going after Palin. But of all the Republicans on the stage right now she is truly one of the most dangerous in terms of changing the overall idealogy of our nations political scene. If a true far right evangelical is elected as President the make-up of the Supreme Court as well as a myriad of other issues that the religious right hold dear will get a full court press.

I’m not against religion as it was meant to be, a persons right to worship as they see fit. The religious right though believe in sticking their noses in everyone elses business and making laws that restrict everyones rights (and not just abortion). So this is not a political vendetta but a movement to keep one of the keystones of of our country firmly in place, that being the separation of church and state.

So for our friends in Alaska, much of Sarah Palin’s political future is in your hands. If you wish to organize I’m sure you’ll find many people in the lower 48 and Hawaii that are willing to assist you financially. We can hope that she continues to shoot herself in the foot or we can hold that foot to the fire and investigate every malfeasance she makes. She may be funny at times to listen to but her views are anything but funny.

9 11 2008
HamletsMill

@HamletsMill (11:36:53) : Yes. let’s boycott Rush’s advertisers. I wonder if there is a more recent list. I followed the link and it’s list of Rush sponsors was last updated in 2003. I’ll do some investigatin’

MomsHugs (aka Eve) (12:24:32) :

HamletsMill: Okay, who’s first in line to listen to Rush, then rush right here with names of his advertisers & shut down the money pipe. Money talks loudest of all!!
———————————
Somebody on Huffington Post already assembled this current short list from Limbaugh’s web site:.

Sponsors of Limbaugh’s web site. Please boycott:

Lifelock
Protect Your Identity

Quicken Loans
Get Mortgage Rates Online

Rush Recommends Carbonite
Click and Protect your PC

Allen Brothers
The Great Steakhouse Steaks ?

Rush’s Cigar Picks
Brought to You by Finck Cigar

Newsmax.com
For Breaking News

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Rapture Spenard Palin (13:11:24) :

Any chance of a link to the pics of SP? Ta!

9 11 2008
Bea

Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com (12:59:18) :

What I find amazing is how red the country is in pure mass. All the votes in states we won are in a few counties per state, yet the actual acreage is clearly still very red. The work is far from done!
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It’s true that there is still much work to do, but you may feel a LITTLE better if you look at the NYT map under the “County bubbles” and “Voting Shifts” links (on the left) to see how little density there is in some of those red states AND how the shift is DRAMATICALLY from red to blue in the majority of the country (Arkansas, Oklahoma & Tennessee being the big exceptions)

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html
🙂

9 11 2008
Olive

Poor Sarah, she really struggled with that hairdo on Friday. She looked a bit disheveled…and frumpy. $40K/mo. for a stylist might be worth it after all.

Nicole Wallace and the rest were spot on with Palin’s make-over; she was completely transformed and now it’s back to polartec ensembles. I think Sarah will soon realize that politics isn’t for her – too much focus on facts and numbers and other boring stuff. It’s the klieg lights that beckon and I predict several weeks of guest appearances followed by guest hosting followed by her own show!!!

9 11 2008
NMJ

Bethsy in the Midwest (12:26:08) : Is there any reason to allow people to do the “First!” posts? If they were just deleted, I would assume they’d stop.

There are many readers who dislike them. AKM received so many complaints s/he did a post on them not long ago that asked people to restrict them. They are not a tradition; they started just a few weeks ago. Since flame wars are generally not tolerated on this blog, readers sometimes complain directly to AKM via email.

I like the gentle humor on this blog; it generally reflects AKM’s own sense of humor. However, I don’t consider the “I’m first!” thing to be humorous – more like a kid’s competition that just gets in the way.

I have to say, though, I couldn’t care less about it if it’s combined with a real comment; i.e., “I’m first – and here’s a great article I found relating to today’s post, etc. etc.”

9 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ NMJ (13:09:18) :

You missed the following: Doctor-Patient Confidentiality. It carries the same legal weight as lawyer-client confidentiality. Neither SP’s doctor nor her daughter’s has the legal right to say anything about their clients to anyone, much less to the public.

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I probably didn’t set my question up clearly. I was aiming for brevity, which is not my strong suit.

All reports seem to suggest that the doctor in question is both Sarah’s and Bristol’s doctor, and that would make sense to most of us. But suppose that’s not the case. Suppose Bristol did not before her present pregnancy routinely visit an ob/gyn doctor.

My question– and it’s purely about the HIPPA law–is if the Sarah’s doctor was not Bristol’s doctor, is there a problem with said doctor saying, I did not deliver Bristol’s baby?

I realize it’s totally beside the point–I need to get a life,🙂

9 11 2008
vivarioarriba

Understand the massive compliment I am paying you, Mudflats, by making the tremendous effort of tearing myself away from my full time activity since Wednesday – the task of basking. Bask, bask, still basking… my wife is doing all the work here on the ranch and normally I try to pull my weight, but no longer. Basking, bask, more basking…. oh, the effort to organize a a reply. Nope. Can’t do it (bask some more). I’ll just tag on Lulu to remind everyone what the Rovester said back in ought 3, “Please let it be Howard Dean.” Well, even that blew up in his face as Howard ultimately led us out of the wilderness.

Better, the Gary Larson cartoon where we see the dog hiding in the laundry room and the cat is approaching the dryer, door ajar, with the sign “CAT FUD” inside and the dog’s word balloon says, “Oh, please.” Oh, please, Sarah.

9 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

“Sarah, has the fall of your popularity been painful?” MSM asks.

“Of course it hurts – you’re getting screwed by an elephant.”

9 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

Bea.. yes. i saw that map before.. it’s interesting and i realize many counties have hundreds of votes.. but it’s sad that the middle America rust belt votes are so polar oppsite what we believe.

And who else is watching KO??? god.. seeing mcloser at the GOP conv.. same crap from day one.. stand up and fight.. thank god every day for him being gone.. what a sad, horrid America we’d be living in if he won.

NEVER AGAIN

9 11 2008
Bea

UK Lady,

There was a blogger who laid out the case for SP having gone under the knife, but I can’t for the life of me find it now.

Personally, I don’t have a problem with anyone getting plastic surgery if they want it– though 95% of the time they end up looking worse rather than better (IMO) and my friend who works for a plastic surgeon told me that Botox users are speeding the atrophy of their facial muscles and thus making a face lift ‘necessary’ much sooner– a win/win for the cosmetic surgery industry.

My main gripe with Sarah’s likely foray into ‘enhanced beauty’ is a) it makes a farce of her ‘just a Joe Six Pack Hockey Mom Main Street Everywoman’ schitck b/c if she had it, it was top-notch and thus top-dollar work and b) she clearly uses her looks to get ahead which is an insult to women politicians and women in general.

9 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

I, too, have been wondering if the GOP will split into two different parties – the really conservative right and the party that Marnie describes – which, I believe, is the “olden times” GOP.

9 11 2008
Bren D'a Moore

Forty WaTT: The physician,nor anyone else involved in their healthcare are allowed to say ANYTHING

9 11 2008
Who's on First

In response to Bea @ 12:05:33

Excellent points regarding the emergence of the Internet, or, to be more precise, the value of information. I guess what I meant to dispute is the tendency to dismiss Palin, based on the often stated belief that she is dumb. Arrogant and ignorant, yes, but she is not dumb (Now, Todd, that’s another story.) Here in Alaska, we’ve witnessed a number of times when she’s faced defeat, stepped back, morphed and returned to win, an ability that demonstrates considerable cleverness and fortitude. Her previously huge and still formidable popularity up here is largely a result of her keeping her loony-tune philosophy to herself and sticking to very popular nuts-and-bolts state issues, i.e. more oil and gas development, higher taxes on oil producers and higher dividends for the voters. Was she dumb to jump into the national arena? From her point of view (and with her, there is no other), when would she ever get another chance like that? She was unquestionably ignorant and apparently not even curious about national or international issues, and she was reportedly arrogant in refusing to accept schooling on them. But dumb? In three months, Palin has changed from an unknown provincial governor to an internationally recognized personality with a national base. Four years is a long time to forget shopping sprees and foot-in-mouth interviews, and the American public has a notoriously short memory. She’ll be back, which make your comments even more important, along with Mudflats and the rest of the folks spreading information.

“Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.” – A. J. Liebling

9 11 2008
SoCal Bob

Ripley in CT (13:03:57) :

SoCal Bob (11:57:56) : Shame on you!!! That was ME, except I hadn’t put my name in the little box!!! Ick, I think I got some on me!

That’ll teach you to go speakin’ like her when postin’. 🙂

9 11 2008
Emjay

Bren D’a Moore (13:41:17) :

Forty WaTT: The physician,nor anyone else involved in their healthcare are allowed to say ANYTHING

With a signed authorization from the patient(s), they would be able to make a statement. BUT, I doubt the Palins would ever authorize them to speak with the press.

9 11 2008
mhrt oregon"

@Bethsy in the Midwest (12:26:08) :

Is there any reason to allow people to do the “First!” posts? If they were just deleted, I would assume they’d stop.
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IMHO….I still get a smile when I see “first” or “some where it the top ten” “maybe 15th”….trust me it just by accident when it does happen…..you go to do something and come back annd refresh and then think……..OMG

9 11 2008
deborah

More Light than Heat (12:47:19) :

@ Deborah,
I’m not sure that your assessment of a “few remaining” republicans is accurate. Perhaps they might be better labeled “few remaining ADULT republicans.”😉
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Actually my words were the few remaining thinking Republicans… so we are in total agreement. 🙂

9 11 2008
NMJ

Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com (12:59:18) : What I find amazing is how red the country is in pure mass. All the votes in states we won are in a few counties per state, yet the actual acreage is clearly still very red.

Marty, have you ever seen a cartogram? A cartogram shows data in proper proportion. Looking at the map you referenced, it’s easy to get discouraged. Check out the Electoral-Vote cartogram, that shows the 2008 U.S. electoral vote count in proper proportion of blue vs. red:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Carto/Oct16-c.html

9 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

@Bea (13:29:19) :

Extremely interesting graphic, Bea. Thanks so much for the link.

9 11 2008
Bren D'a Moore

Emjay, your exception is correct and as you mention, highly unlikely

9 11 2008
Marnie

Moms Hugs

Born in Wichita Falls, graduated UT but had to leave for work in Maine two years ago at age 61. At least when Texas was run by the Democrats, and yes they cheated (each other) and bribed and all the other stuff but they were all true conservatives and populists who looked after their voters. And the state budget was usally in the black.
Texas is still a Bible Belt state and there is not real liberal politician. Even Barbara Jordan wasn’t liberal. (Wouldn’t she have loved to see this election! I loved to her her talk, intelligent, articulate, deliberate in what she said, she always came back to her major thesis, freedom, and equality and opportunity.)

The Regugs are now in charge and they only look after their big donors and they’ve loosed the religious fruit loops on the whole state. I keep my fingers crossed for some sanity to come back into Texas. The Bush legacy was in full force when I left and it’s only gotten worse.

I’m hoping sanity returns, the pendilum needs to start to swing back.

9 11 2008
Bren D'a Moore

Forty Watt: Best way to get a leak on differing Trig mothers would be from Bristol’s pals

9 11 2008
Bea

Who’s on First (13:41:24) :
Excellent points regarding the emergence of the Internet, or, to be more precise, the value of information. I guess what I meant to dispute is the tendency to dismiss Palin, based on the often stated belief that she is dumb. Arrogant and ignorant, yes, but she is not dumb (Now, Todd, that’s another story.) Here in Alaska, we’ve witnessed a number of times when she’s faced defeat, stepped back, morphed and returned to win, an ability that demonstrates considerable cleverness and fortitude.

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No doubt we ignore Sarah’s massive ego and will at our peril, but I also have faith that her rivals for the GOP nomination will not be as chivalrous or hesitant about using things like her wacky witch doctor and many -gates to knock her down to size. We should all lay in ginormous amounts of popcorn for the start of the Republican primary season b/c THAT’S going to be PURE entertaining theater of the first order!

9 11 2008
Lori W.

I will be the first to donate $20 to AKM when new thread appears. I am having a hard time checking in, only to have to look at that frightful bumper sticker again. Now MY head hurts.

9 11 2008
NMJ

Forty Watt (13:32:24) : I probably didn’t set my question up clearly. I was aiming for brevity, which is not my strong suit.

All reports seem to suggest that the doctor in question is both Sarah’s and Bristol’s doctor, and that would make sense to most of us. But suppose that’s not the case. Suppose Bristol did not before her present pregnancy routinely visit an ob/gyn doctor.

My question– and it’s purely about the HIPPA law–is if the Sarah’s doctor was not Bristol’s doctor, is there a problem with said doctor saying, I did not deliver Bristol’s baby?

I struggle with brevity, also! If you’re asking a purely legal question about HIPPA, then no, Sarah’s doctor probably could deny the birth without legal consequences. However, I imagine neither doctor wants to touch anything about the birth with a 10-foot pole, considering that they know, better than most, what a psycho SP is.

9 11 2008
Enchanted and Healing

Bren D’a Moore (13:49:19) :

Forty Watt: Best way to get a leak on differing Trig mothers would be from Bristol’s pals

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or better yet, one of her frenemies.

9 11 2008
deborah

Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com (12:59:18) :
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Hey Marty. Thanks for the groovy map. Aack my own county in central Minn went for McSame (but not by much!)… I agree that we have our work cut out for us. But the amount of Red, while visually daunting, is less important than where Blue is concentrated. In MInnesota for instance, those big expanses of red coincide with the least populous areas of the state. I’m guessing that’s true in all the midwest/mountain west and maybe it’s true in general.

9 11 2008
BlancheMadison

Haven’t read all the comments here, but–perhaps Keith Olbermann can introduce a “Palin 2012 Watch”–a daily or weekly bit highlighting all the past (and future) hijinks and pithy comments of the Future H(D)ope of the GOP. Of course, this segment can be backed with appropriate music–something like the great theme from Benny Hill. A helpful sidebar would be the Sarah Crazy Eye Factor–as she dives deeper over her head on “her” mission in the political world, her increasingly disconnected soul will become even more evident in those already wonky peepers.

IMHO, with the proper vetting by the informed public and the Internet, she’ll bury herself trying to appeal to anything beyond her ultra-ultra-right-wing evangelical base–but we do have to be vigilant and pass along any info that the MSM won’t, and try to push back against the anti-Obama, anti-change propaganda from the right wing media.

9 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

@ Off Topic

You know what is kind of scary is people younger than me born into this era of government eavesdropping on its ciizens remark that I shouldn’t be worried about governments intrusion into my privacy if I have nothing to hide or am not doing anything wrong. Lack of perspective is a scary thing.

~~

I, too, find this to be extremely sobering and frightening.

Required reading should be ” ‘I’ve Got Nothing to Hide’ and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy” by Daniel J. Solove.

Another piece of required reading is “THE QUIXOTIC QUEST FOR INVULNERABILITY: ASSESSING THE COSTS, BENEFITS, AND PROBABILITIES OF PROTECTING THE HOMELAND” by
John Mueller.

9 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

NMJ (13:46:06) :
Hey thanks NMJ that was a pretty slick cartogram.

Just finished my work for the day. Yuck…

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Thanks Bea.

OT here is a link to the Newsweek behind the scenes story of the election prep. Fascinating reading for any of you who haven’t seen it yet. Lots of juicy tidbits!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167950/page/1

9 11 2008
deborah

Hamlet’s Mill—
Sponsors of Limbaugh’s web site. Please boycott:

Lifelock
Protect Your Identity

Quicken Loans
Get Mortgage Rates Online

Rush Recommends Carbonite
Click and Protect your PC

Allen Brothers
The Great Steakhouse Steaks ?

Rush’s Cigar Picks
Brought to You by Finck Cigar

Newsmax.com
For Breaking News
——–
But I’ve never heard of ANY of these! and don’t think I use any of their stuff. Nevertheless will do my best. and spread the word.

Deborah (also known as upnorthMN)

9 11 2008
Rapture Spenard Palin

here’s the plastic surgery site. You make the call. All I can say is that she looks way younger now than she did a few years ago. This woman had five kids and has worked out in the Alaska weather for many years.
I’d rather we had a society where women can just age naturally and not be bombarded with ads for hydroderm and botox and plastic surgery, and where women who DO just age naturally and not try to hide it aren’t called old hags by a youth-obsessed society. But that isn’t where we live. If you are going to have plastic surgery, at least admit it. You want to look younger and you can afford to do something about it. Fine. I’d like to look younger too, but I am 53 and a half and I now actually look my age. Oh well. That’s life.

9 11 2008
ttownlotta

Marnie

You were born in Wichita Fallas Texas. So was I. I now live in Oklahoma. All red state except for me. I am blue. These assholes went 100% red on everything including the local stuff. Boring.

9 11 2008
austintx

One wing of the “new” GOP for Dobson and Poodle could be called the Christian Republican Party……..the acronym of course would be CRaP !!

9 11 2008
Lana, KY

Rush Limbaugh is a gangrenous gasbag.
Hopefully he’ll smoke one too many of those huge cigars and his big fat evil heart will just stop beating and do us all a favor.
I’m at the end of my tether with his type of ignorance.

9 11 2008
West Virginian

Interesting that Lifelock is also one of the sponsors on Dr. Laura’s XM radio show. That’s the only one I’ve heard of before.

I can’t stand Rush. I can’t understand how all these “conservative” Repubs can think he’s so great.

9 11 2008
Forty Watt

It was just a hypothetical question, which I’m kind of regretting bringing up.🙂

But being a stubborn sod, I’m going to take it away from the whole Palin thing, because frankly Trig’s parentage is not an issue for me.

So–Ms. X is running for office and she accompanies Mr. X to the cardiologist because he has a heart murmur. She is not a patient of the cardiologist. They are seen by a member of the media who starts a rumor that Ms. X has heart problems. There is, I’m presuming, no problem with the cardiologist saying she has not treated Ms. X for heart problems. I understand Ms. X’s primary care doc. or any other doc. whom she sees can’t say anything.

9 11 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Back when I was growing up there was a samll city not far away known for being full of people with IQ deficency and backward thinking. The town still exists from my last trip through nothing much seems to have changed except no they have become very focused on being good right wing zelots, so I will not name it for fear of being hunted down and shot . But it is one of several we have here in Western Washington. My Grandfather used to have a saying about this town. “(name of town) where they are so proude of their gene pool they don’t want to share it.” I am beginning to think this applies not only to Sarah but the republican party in general. Sorry couldn’t help myself I must seek explanation for this unexplicable stupidity call it a character flaw.🙂

9 11 2008
Marnie

Forty Watt (13:32:24) :

“My question– and it’s purely about the HIPPA law–is if the Sarah’s doctor was not Bristol’s doctor, is there a problem with said doctor saying, I did not deliver Bristol’s baby?”

I’m not a lawyer, but I play one on TV.
If I read your question right. It probably would be somewhat dangerous for the physician because it presumes that Bristol had a baby around the time that Palin claim’s Trig was born, but that that doctor, the one making the statement, was not the one who delivered it. Therefor presumptively, there was a baby delivered of Bristol by another physican.

9 11 2008
Rubo

Sarah on Hillary: who’s sorry now?

“Fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it…When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or, you know, maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, man, that doesn’t do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country. I don’t think it’s, it bodes well for her — a statement like that…It bothers me a little bit hearing her bring that attention to herself on that level.”

Sarah Palin: Women and Leadership Conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHJ_snG3RI

9 11 2008
turns

“PITTY PALIN 2012”

9 11 2008
NMJ

Shikago aka Chief Shikago (14:02:53) : Hey thanks NMJ that was a pretty slick cartogram. Just finished my work for the day. Yuck…

You’re welcome! I wish they would upload the one with the final counts. Maybe they have, and I just can’t find the link…

9 11 2008
Former Baseball, etc (CT), now known as Karin from CT

NMJ (13:46:06) :

Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com (12:59:18) : What I find amazing is how red the country is in pure mass. All the votes in states we won are in a few counties per state, yet the actual acreage is clearly still very red.

Marty, have you ever seen a cartogram? A cartogram shows data in proper proportion. Looking at the map you referenced, it’s easy to get discouraged. Check out the Electoral-Vote cartogram, that shows the 2008 U.S. electoral vote count in proper proportion of blue vs. red:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Carto/Oct16-c.html

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NMJ,

I saw that map. And although it is very cool, it creeped me out for some reason. It looks like bad Modern Art.

9 11 2008
deborah

I have an idea, mudflatters. A project of sorts. It wouldn’t be instead of doing what we can to help Obama, and not instead of putting Palin out of business, but as a sort of side line.

Before the 2010 elections we should each choose a wingnut variety repub who’s up (rep or senator) and research, research, research…and keep a file so we can be ready to help mobilize the opposition. We can team up if we share “favorites”.

I know I should probably choose Michelle Bachmann since she’s in my state. But I have two other ideas. That creepy Virgil Goode (VA) may try to sneak back in, even though he was defeated this year. He’s the one who spouted all the anti-Muslim crap when Keith Ellison won a Representative seat in Minn. I want to keep my eye on Virgil Goode and make sure he never sees Capitol Hill again. Another one I really can’t stand is Mike Pence (Indiana District 6). His latest wisdom is that the Republican party should re-form itself around “sanctity in marriage”. Yuk. It gets worse, esp. because he’s a fairly powerful Repub (3rd in line?).

What d’ya think folks? Anyone else in?

Deborah (also known as upnorthMN)

9 11 2008
Forty Watt

@ Marnie (14:14:46) :

Of course, you’re absolutely right. It was ill-phrased.

9 11 2008
Michigander

AKM – I have grown such a huge respect for you and the ‘real’ people of Alaska. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Someone said previously that records need to be kept re: Palin’s history – I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately America has a very short memory when it comes to politicians nasty pasts. We as Americans need to step up and ensure this isn’t just a ‘game’ and that politicians be held accountable for their actions. The re-inventing oneself creeps me out, it is so obviously for personal gain! Mavericks/Schmaverick. Hypocrites. Pitiful (and scary when you consider how long McCain has been doing it!)

Where can I go to help our country? I want to keep our country moving in the right direction.

9 11 2008
pvazwindy

Nov 12-14-08, Republican Governors Convention, Miami Fl. Palins expenses offset by no need for Quick Spray Tan. Huge savings for Alaskans.

9 11 2008
Former Baseball, etc (CT), now known as Karin from CT

ttownlotta (14:06:50) :

Marnie

You were born in Wichita Fallas Texas. So was I. I now live in Oklahoma. All red state except for me. I am blue. These assholes went 100% red on everything including the local stuff. Boring.

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ttown,

My brother was born in Stillwater (while my dad attended OSU) and he’s very proud of that fact. But, he thanks his lucky stars that my parents had the brains to move back to CT when my dad graduated. I kid him all the time and say, “You’d be redder than red!”

9 11 2008
Bea

Deborah,

Your “oppostion research” idea is a good one. Count me in! (FYI, Goode was my VILE congressstain and I too don’t want that puke anywhere NEAR those hallowed halls again.)

Also, is it wrong that I miss calling you “hose Hussein hotrod”? 😉

9 11 2008
Cynamen Hussein Alaska Blue

I too, like to keep an eye on the enemy…from afar. The wonderful irony is that we can probably give kudos to Rush Limbo for his “operation chaos”…which undoubtedly had a reverse-Bradley affect in Obama’s earlier victory. 😎

Yet, I cannot imagine the ultimate victory being any sweeter…therefore, have no time or tolerance for ignorance. I choose to let them wallow in their stupor, but thanks AKM for sharing a taste of the “bitter whine.”

It’s good for the heart…

9 11 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Give President Elect Obama (I just love typing that) four years. What convinced me that I sould consider him when I knew very little about him was a man from Chicago. He was a republican who had supported his opponent in his first race for state senate. He freely admited at the end of the race he hated Barrack Obama more than anything he could think of. Then one day there was a knock on this office door it was Barrack Obama coming to ask HIM for advice on trying to do something about I can’t remember what, but it was something important to this man. Barrack informed this man they were having similar troubles in Southern IL but the two areas were working against each other, in the end no one was getting anywhere and if he could spare the time could he sit down with a guy from there and Barrack and try to get something going. They did this, both men (both republicans), came away shaking their heads, Barrack had managed not only to find common ground between them but get them pool their efforts in getting things done. Needless to say both of these men though still very republican worked tirelessly to get him elected president. THIS is what will make him great, and given half a chance, THIS will make him unbeatable in 2012, if he still has any desire to be our fearless leader at that point.

9 11 2008
TexanJane

I wish just one caller to Rush’s show would ask him this:

What church do you attend?

Ditto to Coulter.

They are phonies through and through because neither of them would have a ready answer.

When will the Fundies get it???

9 11 2008
Lulu

Who’s On First wrote: “Was she dumb to jump into the national arena? From her point of view (and with her, there is no other), when would she ever get another chance like that?”

In answer to your question, yes, Palin was dumb if she ever wanted to hold national office.

Here’s why: if Palin had studied the history of VP nominees in the last half of the 20th century, she would know, that with rare exception, you get ONE SHOT and that’s it unless you are elected. She would have known that she didn’t have enough international background for a press conference or interviews or a debate–and that a pregnant unwed teenager would not work well for the “family values” votes. If Palin could have waited, and actually planned a campaign by laying the groundwork–gathering a team outside of Wasilla High and planning a national strategy, she could have made something of this exposure. But now, the odds are really against her; Palin made so many stupid errors that even a French radio comedy team could make fun of her days before the election. She’s not rich enough to mount a campaign on her own, and now the other GOP hopefuls have all the opposition research on her that they need.
Dumb, yes, I would say so, if she ever wanted to run for national office.
Now, if she was trying to get a talk show or a reality show, that’s a completely different matter. Then I think she did the right thing by ruining her political career and hopefully Fox will call her soon.

9 11 2008
deborah aka upnorth (also hose hotrod)

Bea (14:30:26) :
I think you are right about my old names…just a little more descript than boring old “Deborah”🙂

I think we should do “opposition research” on Virgil Goode together. He’s pretty slimey. It might take at least two of us.

9 11 2008
Ripley in CT

Former Baseball, etc (CT), now known as Karin from CT

*waving* Howdy Neighbor!

9 11 2008
Marnie

ttownlotta

Should I ask who root for on TxOU weekend? Or is them fightin’ wards?

I applied to several hospitals in Ok, even Ark. It would have killed me politically becasue my vote would have been basically nonexistant.

9 11 2008
SC Sista M Cluckhead

Wow. I am REALLY late finding this post and getting caught up–that will take still quite a while.
I can’t believe your mother can stand to listen to Limbaugh; I hope that she at least limits her forays into “enemy territory” to only an infrequent listen. That crap he spews, well, it makes my blood boil!
I’m sure the whackjobs DO want Palin to keep truckin’ on towards 2012 for another attempt at the White House. However, I think there are a lot of folks who may have ideas about attempting to stand in her way, like Jindal, Pawlenty, Romney and Huckabee, just to name a few! The nice thing about that is that we all know that the primaries are much more of a bloodbath than the general election and none of those men would have ANY reason to hold anything back. Wow. A few minutes ago, I was dreading the prospect of a SP run for POTUS and now I think I’m really looking forward to it!
What a little perspective will do for a person…
OT, but
I wanted to comment on Chief Shikago’s post on another thread, inciting the use of revenge via “Third Class Mail.” At least, that’s what we used to call it. So much more exciting, it was, back when you could order up those Franklin Mint figurines without providing a deposit. It brought back some memories, some of which should probably shame me–but they don’t!

9 11 2008
phoebe

How the media, the GOP and the world treat Sarah in the next few months is significant. I heard Oprah was going to have her on her show…BAD MOVE OPRAH…Oprah has been such a big supporter of Obama, it seems hypocritical to go for ratings after the election is over. We all know what Sarah is about & to parade her on TV circuit seems pragmatic. Everyone will be ghoulishly watching, but it would be better to be fighting her legally & making sure her “celebrity” doesn’t take off.

9 11 2008
Bea

deborah aka upnorth (also hose hotrod) (14:37:33) :

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I will certainly be keeping a watchful eye on Goode in the coming months. My fear is he may try and ‘go local’ and pop up in the VA State Legislature to rehab his rep before making another run at the US Congress.

OK, Mudpups, I’m off to make a nice spicy dinner to go with my bold and sassy, AKM-induced mood! 🙂

9 11 2008
Rapture Spenard Palin

oops.

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9 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

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9 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Deborah (also known as upnorthMN) I think this is very doable, and would be more than willing to join in. But…

This concerns me more at this point…

MOBILIZE NOW, FOR AKM!!!
I am afraid we need to first build some serious defenses NOW to protect Mudflats, especially AKM.

I had a vision overnight of the all mighty Evil Alaskan Witch Bitch sweeping accross the Mudflats, hell bent on destroying anything good and kind, with her maggoty little River Rats grabbing AKM and spouse and taking them deep into AIP territory where they may never be heard of again.

I would like AKM to be able to mobilize all Mudflatters in a matter of hours so that we could come to his/her defense. Resourses, money, lawyers etc… We all know just HOW EVIL PALIN IS… We could say, “Yes, but she would never” WRONG. We need to try to think HOW EVIL PEOPLE THINK before they ACT.

Without warning they could be pinched for almost anything and need our help. All I am saying is maybe AKM and close contacts in Alaska could make a plan, have master e-mail lists. Back-up bloggers which I know they already have.

OK someone talk me down… The vision was strong! I hate evil so much…

9 11 2008
austintx

Rapture …… still oops…………

9 11 2008
Former Baseball, etc (CT), now known as Karin from CT

TexanJane (14:35:05) :

I wish just one caller to Rush’s show would ask him this:

What church do you attend?

Ditto to Coulter.

They are phonies through and through because neither of them would have a ready answer.

When will the Fundies get it???

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You guys may not believe this, but I am good friends with one of Ann Coulter’s siblings. He’s the polar opposite of his sister as far as temperament goes, but he is a die-hard Repub, as well as a Yankee fan. (Yuck!) The Coulter family is very religious and they all attend very WASP churches. Their mom is a Baptist from KY and their dad was a Catholic, so they did the Upper Middle Class CT thing and joined a Presbyterian church. I can’t stand her and I’m NOT defending her (oh, the dirt I could dish to you muddies), I’m just sayin’.

9 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

@Lana, KY (14:07:22) :

Rush Limbaugh is a gangrenous gasbag.
Hopefully he’ll smoke one too many of those huge cigars and his big fat evil heart will just stop beating and do us all a favor.
I’m at the end of my tether with his type of ignorance.

~~

>12 years ago I got into it with Rush when he was still broadcasting from Sacramento and I was living in the little town of Rescue, CA.

He took out of context a quote from the book “Brother Eagle, Sister Sky, A message from Chief Seattle.” I called his show and got through to him, but as I was reading the correct quote, he hung up on me.

Rush does not want to hear the truth.

9 11 2008
Marnie

Forty Watt (14:22:30) :

I hope I haven’t offended.

That’s what happens when I catch up on my sleep, I get myself confused with a comedian.

9 11 2008
SC Sista M Cluckhead

Unfortunately, it’s not likely to happen to Coulter/Limbaugh and their ilk–but I’m kinda hopin’ that Sarah will tick off just one too many of the beautiful wildlife there in Alaska and somebody (Brian?) goes “rogue” and takes her out!

9 11 2008
mhrt oregon"

new post

9 11 2008
Former Baseball, etc (CT), now known as Karin from CT

Ripley in CT (14:39:29) :

Former Baseball, etc (CT), now known as Karin from CT

*waving* Howdy Neighbor!

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Howdy neighbor!

Where do you live? I grew up in Madison, and now live in Clinton. My son is up in Storrs. Even though it’s THE most expensive state to live in, I love it.

9 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

@soozzie (11:51:06) :
RE:You realize, don’t you, that “Mudflats” will become even more important as the “Palin 2012″ campaign continues?

That’s why I am going to continue to donate monthly as long as my financial head is above water.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

The internet has leveled the playing field.

Radio was an enormous leap forward, we could hear in real time. Then television, we could see and hear in real time. But the internet, wow. Now we can see and hear in real time any where in the world, plus read any newspaper in the world, dictionaries and encyclopedias are at our fingertips, degrees are available online. Maybe more amazing is that we can go back and watch and read what has gone before and see what people said within a matter of minutes. And it can’t be censored (or in the case of video, edited). True information is out there for the taking (which is the reason China, for one, is so determined to control it).

Rush and Newt are dinosaurs. They don’t know it yet, but the Ice Age has arrived for them and the far right. What we’re seeing is the last gasp. Palin won’t be running in 2012. Goodbye, industrial revolution, hello, world neighborhood.

9 11 2008
Crunk Petrol Palin

The medical records problem probably would be relatively easy to fix. Congress can pass an amendment to HIPPA (or in another law just as the federal election laws) requiring Presidential and vice-presidential candidates to release their medical records.

For example, a candidate could be required to release his/her records within 2 weeks of accepting the party’s nomination.

9 11 2008
amy

ttownlotta (14:06:50) :

Marnie

You were born in Wichita Fallas Texas. So was I. I now live in Oklahoma. All red state except for me. I am blue. These assholes went 100% red on everything including the local stuff. Boring.

ttownlotta….
You are not the only one from Oklahoma that voted blue! The 44% of my county and I would just like to say that, also, ya know. I agree that Inhofe was a huge mistake and I know that you know that everyone knows it.

9 11 2008
Northern Exposure

Republicans who brought us the Patriot Act, torture, and clean-air advocates added to terrorist watch lists are the bastions of freedom???? Those who would take away a woman’s right to make choices about her own body and would cram their religion down the throats of others are the bastions of freedom??? Those who would deny the right to marry to minority groups likes gays and lesbians are the bastions of freedom??? Those who advocate for a wall between the U.S. and Mexico are the bastions of freedom??? Those who would shoot wolves and destroy wolf pups in their dens are the bastions of freedom???

Seems like Democrats have a strong leading edge when it comes to freedom.

9 11 2008
austintx

Crust – Sir- you are very correct…..the net made ALL the difference for BO…….and he wielded it like a scalpel……take that- you moose skinnin’ nut job !!!!

9 11 2008
ira2

Way behind again – Freshly up from a needed nap, that article and bumper sticker hit me like a ton of bricks. The stupidity and hatefulness are simply incomprehensible to a still-sleepy mind. I won’t even try to figure it out for another few hours!

Off to catch up on new post(s) and comments from my sensible mudpuppies.

9 11 2008
Nancy

It would be great to see one of those red and blue maps that how people voted with all the federal land in green. In Oregon, the largest counties have the fewest people. In most of the sparsely populated counties over half the land is either Forest Service or BLM. It hardly seems fair to paint those red just because 400 people voted for McCain/Palin.

9 11 2008
BigSlick YES WE CAN! Clamp Noodle Palin

When McCain announced Palin as his VP choice I celebrated early because my gut reaction was that he had just committed political suicide.

I have the exact same gut reaction to this Palin 2012 bullcrap. The Republican Party is taking the assisted suicide option, and Sarah “Kevorkian” Palin will see to it that they feel as comfortable with themselves as possible to the very end.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

austintx (15:15:22) :

Crust – Sir- you are very correct…..the net made ALL the difference for BO…….and he wielded it like a scalpel……take that- you moose skinnin’ nut job !!!!
———–

For sure, he did. Thank God.

9 11 2008
grumpy in Illinois

I tend to believe a lot of Republicans are like this fellow who wrote to the Chicago Tribune. Far more rational and realistic than the caustic minority on the web.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/letters/print/chi-1109vplettersbriefsnov09,0,269429.story

9 11 2008
Bren D'a Moore

I’m sure this is archived somewhere, but why are there suspicions that Bristol is Trig’s mother? OK, I’m aware they were forced to tell the the public about Bristol’s current pregnancy. Does any one have a link to a good article stating the facts as to why people think Trig may not be SPs?

9 11 2008
Michigander

Shikago – I hear you! So what can I do? Am I panicking or what? How can I help?

I mean it’s only our ….. future o:

9 11 2008
austintx

Palin 2012……….ain’t gonna happen………too many fires to tamp out in AK. ……..plus her family is gonna implode.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

So interesting looking at this map, http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html, when I zoom into Georgia, Liberty County went blue. Liberty County is home of Fort Stewart Army Base. The base is why Hinesville, GA exists. Savannah is home to Hunter Army Airfield. Augusta, Ft. Gordon. Columbus, Ft. Bragg. Makes me think that a lot of the military (Bless you folks, thank you for your service) voted Obama.

9 11 2008
SE_Idaho_Reader

If you haven’t read the article posted by Kate in Canada @ 11:56:38, please do. It provides important information about the relationship between SP’s religious beliefs and her potential political actions:

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/thesearch/archive/2008/11/08/hidden-end-times-beliefs-still-steer-north-american-politicians-despite-defeat-of-palin.aspx

9 11 2008
Irish in FL

Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble (15:23:53) :

So interesting looking at this map,
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wow..thanks for the map…puts things in perspective….the idiot blond on The View pronounced “It wasn’t a landslide after all”…………WRONG…it was absolutely a landslide from sea to sea!!!!!!!!

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

Irish in FL (15:29:42) :

.the idiot blond on The View
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Yeah, I was shocked at how gracious she was after Obama’s win.

9 11 2008
sauerkraut aka road apples palin

Enjay – AKM and the folks who comment on this blog have been way ahead of the curve for months! It’s nice to see the media is only a few days behind as compared to the 2+ weeks they used to be.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

sauerkraut aka road apples palin (15:34:57) :

They’ve been reading AKM and us. If they’d come here first, they’d have known we’re locked into the pulse of the people.

9 11 2008
Physicsmom

Thanks to Jamie in France for quoting the column in “Le Monde.” I agree it was thrilling to read and savor.

Marnie, thanks for the link to “The Nation” article about Palin. It was quite insightful on the topic of feminism and how Palin actually propelled the cause forward without really knowing it.

Mudflats is a great community! BTW, I don’t mind the “first” comments, they are amusing and harmless. On Daily Kos about a week ago someone posted a video of a meeting of commentors if they got together in a real room instead of a virtual one. Each time a new topic was brought up, someone shouted “First!” It was hilarious.

9 11 2008
Who's on First

response to Lulu at 14:36:09

You make very good points, and my heart really wants to agree with you. However, my cynical side just keeps whispering……. Six months ago, Sarah Palin was an unknown or, at best, an interesting character. A popular governor in a remote part of the US that is a 4-hour flight from Seattle. Now, the last Rasmussen poll shows that 69% of Republicans nationally thought Palin helped, not hurt, McCain. 91% of them have a favorable view of her and 64% of them think she should be the next Presidential candidate. Despite all the obvious flaws she exhibited, Palin now exists on the national stage and she has alot of supporters – not a bad two month’s work for an ambitious politician. You ably point out many of the self-inflicted wounds Palin created for herself. Only time will tell if any of them are fatal. I think there is some danger of us turning inward, of preaching to the choir. We might quibble with Rasmussen’s numbers, but they show that there’s alot of work left to do.

9 11 2008
Irish in FL

Crust Scramble…I think she’s out to keep her job as she was becoming VERY unpopular overall just before the election…quite franky if it weren’t for Whoopie I would not even watch cause I cannot stand Elizabeth………….

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

I’m with you, Physicsmom (15:37:03) :, I happy for the ‘firsts’.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

forgot to put this in my last post – ‘m

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

Irish in FL (15:38:15) :

Yes, the Whoops is my favorite too. I didn’t realize how deep she is until I started watching. I admire Barbara, too. She can ask the tough questions w/o being confrontational.

9 11 2008
sauerkraut aka road apples palin

Lulu (10:54:39) :

Oh, GOP. Please run Palin in 2012. PLEASE DO IT. As a Democrat, I’m begging you! Pretty please?

Can imagine all the infighting amid Romney, Huckabee, Jindal and Gingrich?
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oooooooo… totally forgot all about New the Alpha Male.

Can you imagine? The slimeball politician who is least brainy vs. the slimeball politician who thinks he’s the smartest dud on the planet. Do you suppose Newt will try to bed her or eviscerate her? I’d pay good money to see it happen either way. I might even change registration just to get a couple of licks in.

9 11 2008
Irish in FL

Crust Scramble…I really like Barbara also, but she’s not there often enough to keep Elizabeth in line. Whoopie does that job very well and even manages to do it without “smacking” her one once in awhile, which I am afraid I would really have to do……………..

9 11 2008
Irish in FL

Lulu (10:54:39) :

Oh, GOP. Please run Palin in 2012. PLEASE DO IT
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I think that would be GREAT…but I have to think after all the shock aftermath there’re going to be SOME intelligent GOP members who will rethink this whole platform…I hope they don’t, but I’ll bet they do………..

9 11 2008
sauerkraut aka road apples palin

ED (11:08:46) :

Remember, Sarah, terrorists come in all colors and when YOU make a speech that causes members of the audience to yell, “Kill him” YOU are pallin’ with terrorists. Actually worse, you are inciting terrorism.

Maybe we need a bumper sticker: “Sarah Palin Incites Terrorism”, That’s OK but you guys could think of a much better one.
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How’s this, Ed:

* * * * Palin * 2012 * * * *
Inciting Terrorists Since 2008

9 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

The best candidate the GOP can come up with by along shot is Aaron schock, and he is only 26. One to watch out for though. There are you tubes out there if you google his name.

Don’t think SP will make it. I agree with the poster a while back who thought her family will imlode.

9 11 2008
Wildeles

The Huffington Post claims 64% of republicans want her to run in 2012.

9 11 2008
Anjea

Just found your blog. Love it! I’m also a Democrat in a strong red state (Texas) – at least I live in a blue county! That bumper stick is really scary…just like Palin.

Anjea
Austin, TX

9 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

@ Shikago aka Chief Shikago (14:55:37) :

Deborah (also known as upnorthMN) I think this is very doable, and would be more than willing to join in. But…

This concerns me more at this point…

MOBILIZE NOW, FOR AKM!!!
I am afraid we need to first build some serious defenses NOW to protect Mudflats, especially AKM.
~~~~~

Start with a mirror site. I was just thinking about that.
Any lawyers in the house?
I think watching our back and AKM’s is still wise as I still see this woman as a threat.

9 11 2008
sauerkraut aka road apples palin

Lulu: Why does she think running our huge state is a part-time job, esp. when she herself said the state is so important to nat’l security and energy production?

Answer seems sort of obvious: national security and energy operate independent of Sarah Palin.

But that’s just me. I know she claims otherwise, but I do not believe her.

9 11 2008
ira2

Concerning the workings of hate, here’s a link to something my sister posted on her blog earlier today:

http://notes.sibyllekuder.com/2008/11/09/november-9/

We’re German. We grew up in Germany. We have dealt with the fallout of Hitler’s ways and his destruction in one way or another while growing up 30 YEARS AFTER his success as a hatemonger, 20 YEARS AFTER his downfall.
Maybe it takes being or having been close to this kind of thing, even if it’s decades after it actually went down, to see the glaring parallels between the hate and lies that are being spewed (and declared to be the truth, mind you!) here by the Republican Right and the hate and lies that were being spewed (and equally declared to be the truth) back in Hitler’s heyday.

It makes me heartsick to see people in 2008 regress to the equal of one of the most infamous chapters in history EVER. And honestly, it scares me to death, when I allow myself to think about it.

In my crap load of books that came with the house purchase, there’s a 1932 World Almanac. Back in 1932, the world was polite and cautious about these odd reports about the rather unconventional doings coming out of Germany. There’s not one bit of outright condemnation from any country printed in this whole book. In Germany itself, people apparently went with the flow, maybe privately questioning the proceedings a bit here and there, but mostly going with the flow. Germans respect authority and here was a man with MUCH authority who had answers to the people’s worries. He knew where to lay the blame, he knew how to raise the battered national pride, he had a knack for making people believe that his way was the best way and he knew how to make them feel good about being part of this new best way.

I can understand why the Republican Right would like to follow in those foot steps for a mega rise to power, but I’ll never understand how they can miss the little tidbit about how the whole thing crashed and burned and dragged half of the world down with it. HATE CANNOT PERSIST. Why the hell do they insist on trying? Why the hell do they insist on following a path that’s doomed from the beginning, that will never make it past an intermediate and most destructive blow-up? Are they really that stupid?

Ahh… don’t answer that. It was a rhetoric question. Yes, they are.

I was raised by a mother who never recuperated from the damages done to people during Hitler’s time of power – during her childhood. The fallout from her experiences is affecting me to this day. It still makes life difficult in ways that can’t even be explained.
Since Palin is the Republican Right’s chosen Hitler, I would like to know just what I can do to help eliminate her from politics and keep her out of it for good.

9 11 2008
deborah

Shikago—
Yes, yes, yes. We must have AKM’s back. How do we organize/mobilize?

Deborah (also known as upnorthMN)

9 11 2008
sauerkraut aka road apples palin

40Watt: My question– and it’s purely about the HIPPA law–is if the Sarah’s doctor was not Bristol’s doctor, is there a problem with said doctor saying, I did not deliver Bristol’s baby?
__________________

Although Hippa restricts the amount of info a doctor can release to 3rd parties about medical care provided, it does not restrict a doctor from responding that he/she did not provide medical care to a certain person.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

Wildeles (15:50:57) :

The Huffington Post claims 64% of republicans want her to run in 2012.
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A third of Republicans are over 65, and nearly 75 percent are over the age of 45.

9 11 2008
sauerkraut aka road apples palin

Crunk Petrol: The medical records problem probably would be relatively easy to fix. Congress can pass an amendment to HIPPA (or in another law just as the federal election laws) requiring Presidential and vice-presidential candidates to release their medical records.

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No can do. Any such requirement would quickly be found unconstitutional.

9 11 2008
austintx

Anjea – Where in Travis Co. ??

9 11 2008
Millie

Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble (16:29:40) :
Wildeles (15:50:57) :
The Huffington Post claims 64% of republicans want her to run in 2012.
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A third of Republicans are over 65, and nearly 75 percent are over the age of 45.
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Here’s what I heard Mark Shields say on PBS’s News Hour last week.

“To put it bluntly: Democrats are moving from a room of their own to an apartment of their own on the way to a home of their own; Republican voters, by contrast, are moving from their own home to the retirement home to the nursing home and the funeral home.”

http://www.creators.com/opinion/mark-shields.html?columnsName=msh

9 11 2008
katek formerly chin duststrap

Wow those repubs are deluded. Do they not get that SWWNBN was one of the major reasons they lost? So many editorials and people commented that McCain’s choice of SP was the reason they could not endorse him. So now the extreme right of the party wants to embrace her?

I don’t think she can achieve or impress enough in the next few years to have a chance.

9 11 2008
Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramble

Millie (16:46:17) :

Exactly. Thanks for the link.

9 11 2008
Joan aka Timber Challange Palin

The GOP & their minions (however loud-mouthed) can go on ignoring Reality until 20012 and beyond, if they want to – this country is changing whether they want Change or not. And none of SP’s “word-blizzards” will make the changes go away! The Republican party is not only in “the wilderness” now, it’s on a different planet. Clinging to the “Guns/God/Guts” platform doesn’t recognize the evolving change in this country’s demographics: age, race, ethnicity, are all presently in a state of flux. This election has seen the very beginning of it – by 2012 the reactionary Repub message is only going to look even more out of date.

Sarah P. is a self-fulfilling disaster, but only for herself and the Republicans, no one else!🙂

9 11 2008
Joan aka Timber Challange Palin

Oh, and I forgot – imagine SWWNBN debating with Obama!!!😉

9 11 2008
Kuvaszgirl

better brush off those “somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot”
and substitute Alaska🙂

I work with the Clean Water Act and after getting rid of that environmental abuser Bush, I will fight tooth and toenail for clean water, thriving wetlands and wildlife to enjoy for generations to come. Don’t worry Palin herself will be going through the “change” by then so won’t appeal so much to Rush🙂

9 11 2008
HamletsMill

ira2 (16:05:21) :,

Tell your sister to read Robert G.L. Waite’s famous book “Adolf Hitler: The Psychopathic God”. It is a MUST read for anyone living on this planet. Your sister’s instincts ARE right. Sarah Palin IS a borderline personality and a narcissist cut from the same cloth. But Hitler was a much, much smarter person than Sarah Palin.

I do not fear her anymore. In reality she has disgraced herself. People are much more onto recognizing these kinds of people now and stopping them. 63 million Americans said NO in a voting booth. Her every gaffe from now on will end up on YoutTube. I say put her on TV and let her commit further political suicide long before she ends up a real suicide like Hitler.

Every person on Earth now should be absolutely required to read this book before they are allowed to go into a voting booth anywhere, in any nation, or in any organization of any kind. These kinds of people MUST always be stopped for the safety of the human race.

http://tinyurl.com/5o24xg

In the Internet Age now there is no excuse whatsoever for not being educated.

9 11 2008
Peter

Please, Republican Party, nominate Sarah for 2012. It would be the FAIL heard ’round the world.

9 11 2008
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9 11 2008
AustinTXGal

The thought of Palin being president makes me want to throw up also. Please find her guilty of something in Alaska so she will just go away or be a game show host…just no where near D.C.!

9 11 2008
Northern Exposure

“The Huffington Post claims 64% of republicans want her to run in 2012.”

Yeah, and considering there aren’t that many Republicans left, that’s about right.

9 11 2008
Michigander

I could give up. Most of you are all talk no action.

Shikago, Deborah, AKM – WHAT CAN I DO? I care. I am in Michigan. I have a nephew in Colorado and a niece “Liz” head of the Maine website as examples. My sister is a Republican from NY. I have Suzanne and Marcos in Texas. We all want to help. What do you suggest?

9 11 2008
HarpboyAK

I can’t believe that they just don’t get it. Hard right conservatism gets overturned by the largest vote margin since Roosevelt, and Nasty Newt thinks that means that folks want their discredited platform even more?

As Kevin Phillips told Bill Moyers on Friday, the Republican Party is in danger of becoming a regional party appealing only to diehard zealots concentrated mostly in the South and rural Midwest and Rocky Mountain regions. I’ll be happy if they are foolish enough to drive anyone that can actually think out of their party and nominate Governess Sarah in 2012.

Denial ain’t a river in Egypt!

9 11 2008
writethejourney

Holy cow! Thanks for forwarding. I guess it’s not really so unbelievable…but scaaa-ry! I read somewhere that “Palin couldn’t run unless the Republican party split and she won the evangelical base”. I hope that’s true. Keep up the good fight.

http://www.writethejourney.wordpress.com

9 11 2008
JohnJ

But isn’t that it about the Republican party? It SHOULD split.

Palin and the radical Right don’t represent the real republican party. And the “good” republicans know it. Some how we need to find a way to empower the moderate/real Republicans to take back their party so there can be a meaningful discourse again in this country. We can start by really working hard, together, in by-partisan efforts, to enact real change. Then the minority nutters will be out numbered and out voted, finally.

9 11 2008
Angela

Sounds like an April Fool’s joke – only it is not April 1st! Based on her debate performance with Biden she would have to change the rules for the primary debates to stand a chance against the other potential GOP candidates. She better study really hard between now and then to even stand a chance – that is if she survives the next two years without another ethics charge…

9 11 2008
Colin Brace

Wright/Ayers 2012!

10 11 2008
Handsome Matt

I love it! The left calling the right reactionary!!!! Perfectly ironic humor! So delicious; and instead of encouraging individuals to just listen to your ideas and opinions, you should encourage them to make their own opinions. But that doesn’t fit into the liberal/democratic mindset does it?

And on a less sarcastic and “reactionary” tone; Why are we even talking about the 2012 election? Are we that unsatisfied already that we’ve moved on 4 years? And did anyone predict four years ago that Barack Obama would have won the election?

10 11 2008
Handsome Matt

And on the Hitler-Palin debate (not that there’s much of one). The Democratic party took the same page from Hitler’s book; for the last 8 years in regards to the presidency (6 in regards to the Hill)! Eight years it’s been nothing but “Anyone but Bush” “Endless War” and the same we could do it better then they could. It’s classic polarizing, and making an enemy out of nothing. I’ve even heard hardline Democrats refusing to call George W. Bush “President.” How is that any different than “He knew where to lay the blame, he knew how to raise the battered national pride, he had a knack for making people believe that his way was the best way and he knew how to make them feel good about being part of this new best way.”? Quoted above by Ira2.

Secondly to respond to HamletMil:, Hitler also rose to power through the fanatical following he gathered around him. His SS, Gestappo, and Hitler Youth were cultish thugs who fervently followed him and when he asked killed for him. Of all the presidential candidates, only Barack Obama had that kind of following. I’m not going to compare Obama to Hitler, because I don’t think America is in a hard enough position to consider a dictator, and I don’t believe Obama to be that kind of man. But some of his voters were fanatical enough that they might have killed somebody.

And lastly, if we want to look further into History, Rome fell when it became corrupted from within. The coliseum became more important than politics, signaling a loss of respect for life. And the honor and sense of duty that drove the Legions and every citizen was stripped away in a pursuit of decadence and indulgence. How is America not headed for that? And if America does fail it won’t be due to any one person. But rather it is the responsibility of every citizen.

10 11 2008
m3phl0x

Wow, I honestly can’t believe that. People want Sarah Palin to be elected and yet it’s newsletters like the one you had received that make us honestly rethink things – or at least me. Who wants to read things that sound so conceited?
While some people are up to no good and others are only greedy, I think there is hope that there are a few good human beings who actually care about the economy, America, and us ‘the people’.
Besides that, America was founded and based its government and internal systems off of the Republic of Rome. That republic nearly controlled the whole world at one time and stood strong for so many years. The only worry is that America is going into the same pathway. Are we?

10 11 2008
morsec0de

If that sticker turns out to be true, then the Mayans were right. The world IS going to end in 2012.

10 11 2008
MomsHugs (aka Eve)

Aussie Blue Sky: Thanks for the sticker link – I got mine!

Jamie in France: First? smick! smick! (mini-smacks from those who out-jostled… or can’t chuckle on or offline)

Who’s on First: People just go with the flow & don’t look under the bed – because they’ve not been there before. That, more than any other reason, is why we ended up with Bush for 8 yr. & a Justice Dept. full of religious fanatics from Oral Roberts U. Obama’s first act (hopefully) is to clean house in the DOJ!!

Challenge to Alaskans: Palin is NOT dumb – don’t make that mistake! She’s been on this political trajectory for years. Look under the bed & you will find how Palin became mayor & governor. When 40% of voters come from fundie & like organizations, they can easily fill all local boards & governmental.

Believe me, by the end of Sunday (reading ALL day!) – I am now afraid – VERY afraid! As a crusty old retired attorney, I don’t scare easily. The success – in Alaska alone – of Wagner’s New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) infiltration of those “7-M” key areas of society is profound.

I began reading various about Palin on Talk2Action, which has quite a few (“Links to Information and Documentaries on Palin’s Churches”).
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/114652/6239

Links to “umbrella” political organizations will be posted separately so everyone can get the same thrill of having your skin crawl & hair stand up on the back of your necks.

Most of us have been CLUELESS! From all my reading these groups are the most anti-American I have ever read about. Consider the KS, PA, & TX School Boards the tip of this huge iceberg across the nation.

Alaskans: Palin got this far because she’s backed by the Assemblies of God & fundamentalist religious organizations, groups that also have collective economic clout; and she will continue to have their support. It will take a major effort by AK organizations collectively to “bust em’ up” by copying & mimicing their tactics.

According to Michael L. Weinstein, USAF/JAG, they have infiltrated our US Military – estimated at 40% – at the highest officer levels. As an officer & Republican, he has tried to “bust em’ up” using the USMC & so far failed. Now he is waging a one-man war, but could use some citizen help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Weinstein

AKM, my apologies for such a long comment. Your blog has attracted world-wide readers (some only lurk). Please use your new-found clout to bring national attention to these insidious, stealthy, anti-American efforts to undermine our Constitutional Establishment Clause. Thank you!

10 11 2008
owen

I hope it gives you more than a headache in 4 years….

10 11 2008
In10Words aka "Galileo"

I’d like to know the amount of drugs I’d have to take to get to that level of delusion. It HAS to be some pretty damn good stuff.

10 11 2008
vivarioarriba

Guys, guys – Can we please refocus all that high-powered intelligence, energy and drive onto something constructive? Paraphrasing Rahm Emanuel, “It’s a shame to waste a crisis” and the crisis is not McPalin running again, it’s what’s right in front of us all: the economy, the war(s), health care, infrastructure, etc. We can help combat hate best by helping these guys: The Southern Poverty Law Center was founded in 1971 as a small civil rights law firm. Today, SPLC is internationally known for its tolerance education programs, its legal victories against white supremacists and its tracking of hate groups. http://www.splcenter.org/center/about.jsp

They’re the ones that first tried the klan for civil damages, won, got the klan-owned property and gave it to the mother of the young man the klan killed. They demolished Richard Butler’s Aryan Nations organization and turned his compound in Idaho into a peace park. They never take a fee. You can help your school with “Teaching Tolerance” programs, help local Native Americans with “Nativist View”, track skin heads and other hate groups in your state or even town with “Hatewatch”.

Forget about Sarah. I’ve have never seen anyone so intent on self-destruction and if the Fundie Basers struggle to the finish line with her, so much the better for us. We’ve got better things to do.

10 11 2008
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10 11 2008
unclerave

The bumper sticker and newsletter are both ludicrous and treacherous, at the same time. The ultra-right conservatives are counting on liberals getting complacent, like we did in the late ’70s and 90’s. The Newts, Rushs, Annes, Michelles, Hannitys and O’Reillys of the world need to be kept in check. We cannot afford to be dismissive with them ever again, because they’re still very well funded and organized, AND they’re smart enough to have learned from the success of the Obama campaign.

I’ve never subscribed to the notion of kicking a man when he’s down, or totally vanquishing the enemy, because of my sense of fairness and civility. But, if you’ve ever had to deal with cockroaches, cancers, poison ivy, or any variety of invasive species, you know the only way to prevent a re-occurrence is eradication, followed by a steadfast vigilance.

I hope to see us all overcome our differences, and work for a greater good, but this last 8 years has taught me that we cannot afford to trust . . . without verification. I’ve learned that the naivete of idealism must be tempered by at least a modicum of cynicism.

YUR

http://unclerave.wordpress.com/

10 11 2008
ttownlotta

Amy

Let me say I am sorry. I did not mean to say I was the only one that voted blue. I live in Tulsa. Where do you live?

10 11 2008
ttownlotta

Marnie

You see, when TX & OK play football, I go with TX because it upsets everyone I know here in OK. I do it for meanness. Can’t help myself.

10 11 2008
typingisnotactivism

this does kind of make you want to run out and train an elite hardcore squad of suicide moose, because the sight of them running into evangelical churches and GOP conventions wearing bomb vests would be worth the regret.

10 11 2008
Jim

Spike Lee said it best, “The Republicans are living in a world that no longer exists”…especially the Limbaughs, Hannitys and O’Reillys of the world. There time has come and gone and they don’t even realize it yet.

10 11 2008
notsograyjourney

It’s easy to think that Marxism, the earth goddess and bashing the opposition will make the world a better place for you. It’s happened numerous times before in 1917 and 1949 as the most notable. Isn’t there some moderation allowed? Aren’t your blinders on a little too tight about who caused the mess we’re in? Don’t you see the crap of human nature in every administration? Every politician? Every friend? Yourself?

10 11 2008
writerwriting

Holy crap. I like that there are people in this country who want to push us even further back in time instead of evolving with the rest of the world.

Brb, smashing my head into a wall.

10 11 2008
ThatOldSchoolBroad

Just like Joy said today on The View; Rush Limbaugh is a hypocrite drug addict, why would he think that he has any credibility? What nest are we gonna take love advice from Ted Haggard?

10 11 2008
nastylittletruths

If I am 1600 miles in a straight line southeast of Miami, I shudder to think how far I’m away from Alaska… Nonetheless, the US elections was an exciting affair and looking forward to January 20th.

Your post caught my eye because as in most countries we are also sharply divided when it comes to politics. Just as your Mom explains it as “knowing your enemy”, many people here listen to the “other” side with the same result. Stress and anger.

Tell Mom to do herself a favour and listen to something that will put her in a better frame of mind. “Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit” – Desiderata. I ignore the part about listening to the dull and ignorant as they too have their story🙂🙂

10 11 2008
the blogger

Wow… just… wow….

10 11 2008
DonnaInMichigan

They tend to forget one thing. Barack Obama will run again in 2012, after a very successful 4 yr term.
Palin’s best option, if she makes it through a re-election for Governor, is to wait it out until 2016. However, I can see Hillary trying again at that point………

I am not a huge supporter of Hillary, but if it comes down to it, a Hillary and Sarah campaign, Hillary can and will wipe the floor with her.

10 11 2008
chaze77

Hmmm… John McCain’s campaign surged ahead because of Sarah Palin?

Yikes.

That’s a scary thought.

Hopefully by the time 2012 rolls around, people will have forgotten who the heck Sarah Palin even is…

… At least that’s what I hope for.

She is completely out of touch, and truly is irrelevant.

10 11 2008
Rua MacTírean

I’d imagine that someone above has covered what I wanted to say but still….Jesus Christ thats scary

10 11 2008
annaelizabethcraig

I really like Sarah Palin; I think she would make a great president. At least, she would be alot better than Hilary Clinton would have been.

10 11 2008
Tacitus

Some shining examples of progressives here on this thread – a pack of inarticulates who don’t know the first thing about their opposition. Please, keep beating your drum, keep cheering on an inexperienced President who will inevitably fail to deliver on all of the ridiculous promises that he made during the campaign trail, and moreover, keep being afraid of Sarah Palin.

For all of your criticism towards Republicans being fear-mongers, it’s pretty clear that the lot of you are afraid of Sarah Palin and have been since the nomination. This is why, despite the fact that you WON the election, you persist in trying to destroy her after the fact.

Conservatives need not much marketing in order to start making a comeback; the inevitable failure of progressive economic policy will take care of the legwork for us. All we will have to do is point the finger to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al and say “We can do better.”

Enjoy it while it lasts.

10 11 2008
riddlej

I’m a neocon and I still think people have taken this Palin in 2012 a bit far. I very much doubt she’ll run, or even intended to say she would.

10 11 2008
Chris

i’m a liberal-leaning independent, riddlej, and a agree 110%.

Tacitus, a perfect case example of ‘failed policies doing the legwork’ is what just occurred, so you’re right, it could certainly happen again. If a majority had wanted another dish of what W. was serving, they could have gotten it. They didn’t.

http://www.gonzogeek.com

10 11 2008
Free

I was going to respond, but then I started laughing so hard that I pulled a Palin & lost my train of thought! Oh my.

10 11 2008
austintx

Folks – Poodle is not gonna be a player in 2012…….too many “—–gates”………and she has surrounded herself with too many high school chums who will crumble under threat of perjury…….Monegan is gonna sue…..remember – the fawning sychophants already flipped once for the Leg…after they said they would not testify……..during depositions in the civil suit(s)..the stories have to perfectly match…….too many lies…too many people !!! ……also Wooten and/or Levi are gonna go batshit and start barking……..there are just too many variables!!! ……..remember….money and revenge are two huge motivators!!!!!

10 11 2008
Donny Pauling

Let her run! There’s no better way to reassure a second term for Barack! Go Sarah! 😉

10 11 2008
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10 11 2008
misanthropicleprechaun

Come now. You know that’s not the real GOP plan, lol. They know Palin hurt them, that’s why McCain’s campaign advisors are turning on her to shift the blame, read here. There is no way that Palin could ever run for the presidency, she’s been turned into a laughingstock more than Dan Quayle ever was. And the Republican party isn’t stupid. What you’re seeing there is either a) a joke sticker or b) a sticker from an unofficial extremist organization that falsely claims affiliation.

Nor will the GOP ever plummet to the bottom of the ocean. In two or three years, when we all see that Obama is not in fact the next Messiah and Savior of the World, but just a very good politician, Republicans will start to vote their own party again instead of crossing over and balance will be restored in the 2010 Congressional elections. As it should be. Thats why this country works, balance. Other countries have upheavals, we have respect and balance.

10 11 2008
misanthropicleprechaun
10 11 2008
jpeaslee

Bah. I voted for McCain. And I will NEVER, EVER, EVER vote for Palin as president. Good Lord.

I do think that in some ways Palin really did help McCain. I think that the people who ridiculed her were probably not going to vote for McCain in the first place, and I think the fact that a woman was on the ticket piqued some interest. It certainly piqued my interest. But nonetheless; I will not vote for her.

10 11 2008
autoilluminatus

OP,

That’s the problem with a lot of you democrats, you have no sense of humor, so you can’t understand that conservatives make fun of themselves once in while. I guess it’s have to understand sarcasm or “tongue-in-cheek” when “republican-induced” global warming is going make the world explode in 2015 and a lack of universal health care is causing “death to millions”. :p

10 11 2008
Laihis

I hope she runs. I want more of those SNL jokes.

10 11 2008
Alex

It’s funny, I say the same thing as your mom when I explain why I used to watch Fox News when I lived in the U.S.

I think it’s true that they’re wrong to blame Palin. I think Palin’s job was to get to both the women voters and the hardcore conservatives, and be an untouchable figure to act as attack dog. Well, people like you guys have done an excellent job in pulling the rug out from under this scheme for all but the most hardcore conservatives, but I think maybe part of the problem was that McCain’s own smear campaign energized the voters on the left, by focusing on “spreading the wealth around” and not following the Bush “soft on terrorists” tactic. Obama was seen as really leftist, and I think it helped him win, because that “center” stuff hasn’t worked very well for the Democrats, except in the Clinton era, when a third party was allowed to debate the candidates.

Oh, and the commenter above me, autoilluminatus, a lack of universal health care ABSOLUTELY IS killing millions.

10 11 2008
10 11 2008
thewordofme

Remember that the Republican party is controlled by the religious right…all those creationists, young earthers, and Intelligent Designers. They want to control your life completely.

10 11 2008
sospokesaroj

Oh…wow…

Palin will not be able to sustain a legitimate campaign in 2012, keep in mind that Bobby Jindal and other young Republicans are quickly rising to the forefront. She’ll have to contend with them anyways.

Oh and there’s the matter of her being a totally incompetent politician…that could come back to bite her in 2012, assuming she hasn’t resolved that little problem by then.

10 11 2008
Faye Quam Heimerl

I wonder if Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter ever come to believe the stuff they write. I also wonder if they ever worry about job security. Nah… they don’t; there’ll always be suckers who’ll buy their writing.

10 11 2008
neelster

Let’s face it…even if Obama is not a very good president he’s still going to be a step up from “heir” Bush. And at the very least he’s going to attempt to understand and fix the problems in this country.

As for the Republicans…really…the two party’s are pretty much the same when it comes to spending money that doesn’t belong to them, denying help to those that have the least in society (minimum wage, social security, medical for troops), having some gross skeletons (Democrats->sex with women…Republicans->sex with men). I don’t see any one of these NOOB Republicans like Jindal or Palin being any less corrupt and/or stupid. Republicans only like and vote for white people so Jindal has no future. Palin is dumber than a box of rocks and plays well to people who are dumber than a box of rocks which thankfully is less than 45% of America (that’s a crazy thought…really…45% of America is less than brain dead). Who’s the future of the Republican party? An old white man with 5 houses and a cyborg looking wife (that doesn’t just describe John McCain) or Hillary Clinton.

10 11 2008
successjump

Sarah Palin is a certifiable idiot! I wouldn’t vote her student body president. How you take anyone serious when they can’t even answer a simple question?

i.e.
What magazines do you read?

10 11 2008
harryk

So let her run .She would probably bring in even fewer votes the next time around…

10 11 2008
Lulu

Tacitus (09:52:59) wrote:
“Some shining examples of progressives here on this thread – a pack of inarticulates who don’t know the first thing about their opposition.”

You’re writing to defend Governor Sarah Malaprop Palin and you’re labeling US inarticulate? Now that’s truly funny. Ironic much?🙂

10 11 2008
swizzle001

The sticker makes seance.

10 11 2008
gizmotastic

Gee I hope that all that exposure to the liberal media would make Palin never want to leave the state again. If she does she should become educated to the way of the real world. Also if she could answer the questions asked of her, she might last for 2 months.

http://www.nbc.com/Late_Night_with_Conan_O%27Brien/video/clips/john-mccain-11708/821783/

10 11 2008
End the End Times

People who don’t fear what Palin could do to this country don’t know her. We who have been in Alaska for decades have the best view. We aren’t charmed by the “meth” kingdom she arose from, nor will we ever drink the Palinade.

She has not, and will not, improve the areas of government she has worked in; she has always been in each position to take what she can from it and then on to the next. If she’s smart, she’ll go for the next “money” job, since that is much of the attraction.

As far as the “hate speech” campaign: We need new laws at the national level. People in our 21st century government shouldn’t be allowed to participate in stirring up a violent mentality and possibly deadly behavior. In addition, the KKK and all of its branches should be made illegal at long last and be put out of business. It’s about time.

10 11 2008
herb-aceous

so full of yourselves.
so much ad hominem.
can anyone truly speak to the problems before them?
here’s a clever hyperbole.
youngsters unattended in a room full of colorful buttons.
…my brother can beat up your brother.
…my dad is smarter than yours.
hey, pull my finger.
eeeew.

10 11 2008
herb-aceous

about the end times.
no point in arguing.
no need to travel to denmark to know that something is rotten.
if you try to pull up the tares you will pull up the wheat with it.
what a quandary(i don’t mind if you correct my spelling).
what are you going to do?
here we are looking through a tube with a narrow field of view trying to understand what’s going on.
i look in my own community and the roots of rottenness run pretty deep.
it’s beyond comprehension, even apalling.
what accretion of compromises corrupts our eden beyond hope of reconciliation.
i choose not to over-react.
he that is hasty in his words is not wise.
curse not the rich, no, not in thy bedchamber for that which has wings shall carry the matter forth.
i will not exercise myself in matters too high for me.
i say we far too often speak more than our modest understanding affords.
if our habits of speech are any way reflected in our habits of finance then we are all debtors and ought to consider our precarious estate and render persistent diligent labors, hoping quietly that we may escape foreclosure.
i don’t agree with hatemongering.
you can’t write enough laws to make it go away.
but go ahead. rap it up.
i’ll take it.

10 11 2008
herb-aceous

about the healthcare thing. it is government intervention(interloping) that probably caused much of the problems. more important is the credo of, greed is good, since managed health care is run by the same kind of people that orchestrate mergers and promote the sale of bad debts and creative accounting- the stuff leading to the loss of confidence in the value of simple honest everyday work. politics is run by economics. ideology is only a marketing tool. don’t get me wrong- i know i seem jaded but i still have faith in the power of people to make a difference. i am aware of the power of deception. every day you support your enemies without even realizing it. the best way to reduce fluid viscosity is to heat it up. as we get hotter bouncing off one another it becomes easier to induce our flow through narrower and narrower channels.
maybe not a very good metaphor. metaphors are over-rated.
managed health care as it has evolved over the last several decades has changed people from patients to customers. that’s fine when you are shopping for a sweater or a motorcycle but not when your life is encumbent on your socio-economic status. i grew up watching Marcus Welby M.D. and i know that was TV but where did that paradigm come from and what happened since? it seems that the healthcare industry(interesting marriage) has dehumanized the whole doctor – patient relationship. i’m sorry if it sounds too simplistic but i’m not a gun off an assembly line and my health concerns aren’t market shares. i think it’s an incompatable union.
what if we all just boycotted managed healthcare and took our chances and let the “providers” fend for themselves without all our money?
who’s willing to take that risk.
who will go out and fight the giant?

bullies never go after the real threats. so much easier to make the weak seem worthier of punishment and deceive the rest into fear.

11 11 2008
jweb

Do all you dimwits really think that’s a product of the Republican Party? I mean, I know you fell for the “Change” thing and for the idea that Obama is all young and shiny and smooth so I know for a lot of you we’re not dealing with a lot of mental firepower, but really?

I’ll just say this. Obama, for the next four years, needs to wake up every morning with rainbows and unicorns shooting out of his butt because when the next Presidential campaign begins (in what, two years?), he isn’t going to have “Change” to put on the campaign signs.

11 11 2008
NotFrmAK

J Web, YOU ARE STUPID! It is amazing how some people can’t let it go that a black man is president! Pitiful!

12 11 2008
Tacitus

“Tacitus, a perfect case example of ‘failed policies doing the legwork’ is what just occurred, so you’re right, it could certainly happen again. If a majority had wanted another dish of what W. was serving, they could have gotten it. They didn’t.”

Because all the Bush presidency brought us was 8 years of prosperity and safety. No repeat terrorist attacks, nothing but good times economically until the idiotic Democratic socialization of the credit market came back to bite the country in the ass. The blood of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is on the hands of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and all of the other Democrats who claimed that those institutions were in “sound financial condition.” However, thanks to the temerity of Bush and other Republicans, they gladly stood there and took the blame while the Democrats got away; had any single Republican had a fingerprint on this crisis, I guarantee you that Henry Waxman would be out there demanding a congressional investigation.

Speaking of which, how come there is no investigation into the improprieties at Fannie and Freddie? Do you think this will change under an Obama administration? I won’t hold my breath.

Bush lost because the perception of his presidency was bad (history will either validate or invalidate this perception) and because people were sold on Obama’s vague message of change. It’s unfortunate (for Republicans) that the economy dipped right before the election, but as I said earlier, it’s cause had little to do with Bush. It’s exacerbation had everything to do with Bush’s appointees, Paulson and Bernake, who cried “wolf” and made the problem worse – feel free to join me in bashing Bush on that point.

If Obama is able to implement the policies that he promised in his campaign, people will be begging to return to the level of prosperity that we enjoyed under Bush. Be that as it may, you’re inclined to celebrate now. You won, yet you’re still angry; where is that anger going to go once Obama takes office, I wonder?

“You’re writing to defend Governor Sarah Malaprop Palin and you’re labeling US inarticulate? Now that’s truly funny. Ironic much?”

Given your inability to understand the concept of irony I’d say that you validated my criticism.




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