Palin’s Neiman Marcus Pants on Fire?

8 11 2008

Think waaaay back to November 3rd…I know it seems like a lifetime ago, and another era. In many respects it was another era. The 2008 election will go down in history, and we were all there, drinking it in as it happened. Nobody feels like looking backward. And that’s just what those who released the report from the Personnel Board’s investigation into Palin’s ethical conduct in the Troopergate scandal are counting on.  Their report is old news.  It’s sooooo pre-election.  Let’s just move along…nothing to see here.

You’ll recall that Palin initiated this investigation of herself, into her own actions, by a board that reports to her, and whom she can fire…..and the report found her innocent! This report conflicts with the ‘other’ investigation by the Alaska State Legislature’s bipartisan Legislative Council. They found her guilty of violating the state executive ethics act. I remember this well, as the giant green bound copy of that report has been sitting on my desk since October 10th.  Here’s the exact wording:

Finding Number One:  For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.  Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides”

“The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”

The not-so-coincidental timing that released the Personnel Board’s contrary “Palin is innocent” finding on November 3rd, meant that headlines on election day in Alaska and elsewhere proclaimed Palin’s exoneration of wrongdoing. How very beneficial for her.

So now that election day is past, it’s time to revisit that slippery little event that snuck past us right before the election.

There’s a lot to cover, and these two Troopergate reports contradict each other in multiple ways. So, rather than to overload our poor brains that are still recovering from the frenzy of the election season, let’s just look at one for now.

The question at hand: Did Palin, and/or her staff inappropriately apply pressure to then Commissioner of Public Safety Walt Monegan to fire her ex-brother-in-law Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten? And was the reason that Monegan subsequently lost his job at least in part because he didn’t fire Wooten?

Commissioner Monegan testified under oath that the Governor called him in January 2007 to talk about Trooper Wooten.

Sarah Palin denied, under oath, that the conversation occurred.

<<<LOUD FIRE ALARM SOUND>>>

One doesn’t need to be a great legal mind to realize that if two people are questioned about the same thing, and both are under oath, and each one contradicts the other one….then….somebody is lying. And when you lie under oath, that’s known as perjury.  And perjury is a crime.  (ominous chord played on giant pipe organ)

Furthermore, although Todd Palin acknowledges talking to Monegan about Trooper Wooten, he states, and Governor Palin concurs that she had no knowledge of this.  And Petumenos tells us if the Governor says it, and her husband says it, then that’s good enough for him.  Case closed.

Only one problem.  There’s the matter of a little email to one Commissioner Monegan.  It is dated February 7, 2007, shortly after that aforementioned phone call that did, or didn’t happen, depending on who you believe.  In this email, Palin states to Monegan”

I know you know I’ve experienced a lot of frustration with this issue.  I know Todd’s even expressed to you a lot of concern about our family’s safety…”

Hmmmm.  So…if we believe the Governor about not talking to Monegan about the Wooten issue, then how does she know that Monegan knows….and if she didn’t know about Todd talking to Monegan, then how does she know that Todd has expressed concern to Monegan.

<<<<ANOTHER FIRE ALARM SOUND>>>>

One of the options that could have been exercised by the Personnel Board is that after the investigation, they had discovered “probable cause” to believe that there may have been a violation of the State Executive Branch Ethics Act.  This acknowledgment would have resulted in further investigation to determine if any violation had occured.  One would think that the above situation would be enough to indicate “probable cause.”

Not so, says independent investigator Tim Petumenos.  As a matter of fact, the report completely ignored the email. (Mental picture of Tim Petumenos sticking his fingers in his ears going LALALALALALALA!)

With all these alarm bells going off, you’d think someone would be paying attention.  And this is only scratching the surface.  Stay tuned.


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8 11 2008
Nisperos

Wow!

8 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Me here too

8 11 2008
Mother Who Thinks

Your clear-headed analysis is required reading…..(first?!)

8 11 2008
Nisperos

“I know you know”

…Obviously couldn’t be Palin now because she would have said “I know you that I know” (sarcasm)

8 11 2008
Nisperos

I meant: “I know that you know that I know”

I know. AKM

8 11 2008
Dragon Lady

AKM – what is the legislature going to do?

They can’t accept the Personnel Board finding. Will they call her behind closed doors? Open?

Will it be like Watergate? Oh I hope so.

I loved Watergate. I have rhinestone pins that say Nixon (or Noxin if you hold them upside down). I have a perverse sense of humor.

8 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Oh yes, present!

8 11 2008
Vice Peeper Palin aka loki

thanks AKM, and ADN seems to be keeping this alive as well.
contrary to my initial thought way back in July, that his would be no more than a slap on the wrist for SP, it now appears this really might be her undoing after all.

8 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

me 19 or something such

8 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Ah Ha!

Sarah’s email of February 7, 2007 says in part: “I know you know”

Yet on Friday, November 7, 2008 at the press conference Sarah said: “I know that I know that I know.”

So which is it Governor Palin??? “I know you know” OR “I know that I know that I know.” You better get your story straight.

The plain and simple fact, Governor, is that you know that I know that we know.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Mumble mumble mumble stupid git (Tim Petumenos). Mumble mumble stupid bint (Sarah Palin). Mumble mumble divine retribution.

That’s pretty much all I can say on that subject on this forum without getting kicked off.

Chief Shikago, hey, bro. I just wanted to say you touched me with your post on your kids in an earlier thread. I am amazed that you can be as caring as you are giving what you’ve gone through. I salute you.

upnorthMN, my heart aches for you, too. Thank you for sharing your story.

I am still feeling pretty flat right now. Tai chi this morning helped, as did going to the co-op with my Barack Obama/Joe Biden sweatshirt on and getting complimented on it. However, I am one-eighty how I felt Tuesday night.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh PA, snort. Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.

8 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Nisperos (20:50:44) : …Obviously couldn’t be Palin now because she would have said “I know you that I know” (sarcasm)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Darn! you beat me to the punch. I was still composing when you posted the same observation. We must have been twins seperated at birth.

8 11 2008
Margaret

She lies seamlessly. However, and thankfully, Gov. Palin is not so smart to cover her tracks, completely. Your analysis is very good – thanks for keeping us informed!

8 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

hahaha asian I love your style

8 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (21:00:27) thanks sis I appreciate it, nice to see you too.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Whabs, Seattle, WA, don’t disappear again! This blog is a dimmer place without you. I know some of the convos are difficult, and I know ya need to take a break now and then (me, too), but keep coming back, ya here?

8 11 2008
Nisperos

Loved the title, as in: “liar, liar, pants on fire”. I think Sarah and Todd are going to need gold-plated water-jetted combined toilet seat/bidets for their derrières!

8 11 2008
mhrt oregon"

thanks for going back for us

8 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

Thanks. I am less likely to voice an opinion now, without seriously thinking twice. No one likes to be told what they can and can’t say and it was an ugly feeling I thought I would never feel here.

8 11 2008
testerm

Sorry to be off topic but someone just sent this smear to my e-mail and I don’t know how to report them… Please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

—–Inline Message Follows—–

—– Original
Subject: Fw: Holiday Stamps
Please boycott this stamp when purchasing your holiday stamps……..

HOLIDAY STAMPS WITH A ‘CHRISTMAS’ TREE SHAPE HONORING MUSLIMS
How ironic is this?? Muslims don’t even believe in Christ, but they are getting their own holiday stamps with a ‘Christmas’ tree shape through the United States Postal Service (but don’t dream of posting the Ten Commandments on federal property)!

USPS New Stamp

This one is impossible to believe.
If there is only one thing you forward today…..let it be this!

REMEMBER the Muslim bombing of Pan Am Flight 103!

REMEMBER the Muslim bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993!

REMEMBER the Muslim bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon !

REMEMBER the Muslim bombing of the military Barracks in Saudi Arabia !

REMEMBER the Muslim bombing of American Embassies in Africa !

REMEMBER the Muslim bombing of the USS COLE!

REMEMBER the Muslim attack on 9/11/2001!

REMEMBER all the AMERICAN lives that were lost in those vicious Muslim attacks!

Now the United States Postal Service Remembers and Honors the EID Muslim holiday season with a commemorative first class Holiday postage stamp.

Please adamantly and vocally BOYCOTT this stamp when purchasing your stamps at the post office. To use this stamp would be a slap in the face to all those AMERICANS who died at the hands of those whom this stamp honors.

Please pass this along to every Christian and Patriotic American that you know!!!

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8 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

How about “Delete”?

8 11 2008
Tom

I just get the feeling that nobody but us mice and Halcro even care about this. It disturbs me that no one cares and she goes right on doing what she has always done. Some of those same people were all over other folks (Stevens, Clinton, McCain, Obama) but let little missy lie and lie and lie.

I hope she gets her just deserts but I can’t help but think she won’t and that she will be a Senator for our state at some point in the future.

It is too cold up her to have to live through that too.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Whabs, Seattle, WA, I hear you. I have had the same convo with myself concerning certain issues, but in the end, don’t let them muzzle you. You have every right to talk about whatever you want as long as it’s ok with AKM.

I think there’s a bit of free-floating post-election tension, and unfortunately, we’re tapping into it a bit here.

testerm, I know that there was a place on President-Elect Obama’s website during the campaign to report the smears, and it may still be there now. Otherwise, I would just let it go, or respond to whomever sent it to you, if you feel comfortable doing so.

8 11 2008
Nisperos

@ Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Oh, I do know a bit about the tri-state area…

like I used to know people from weir high
and once dug for Stubenville point in WV
and took the incline in Pitt

So, it’s entirely possible…

8 11 2008
Bear Woman

The legislature can call for investigation but they have no enforcement authority.

The District Attorneys are all under Talis Colberg. I think he has shown that he is the Governor’s attorney, not attorney for the State of Alaska. Guess we won’t see any prosecution…..

One interesting tidbit, not discussed by AKM yet, is that the Governor’s Office said they didn’t know about file retention schedules and that e-mails are subject to this retention schedule. Guess that’s the problem when you have only Murkowski staff on hand who don’t believe in public records and or your own staff who haven’t worked for state government and don’t want to learn about the laws they need to operate under.

One thing that has flown under the radar, and a bit OT, is that many of her Commissioners and Division Directors are not only getting the base pay for their jobs, they are getting the step increases that normally are only received after years of service PLUS an additional sum. Interesting how many in state government are aware of this but the legislature and general public haven’t even questioned it. Many said these step increases and additional sums are needed to make up for the pay they lose because of working for the government and having to move to Juneau. Remember, Juneau IS the state capital. But since most commissioners and Division Directors along with the Governor have not moved to Juneau, why do they need this extra money?: Guess it’s greed. But then state workers are all lazy, don’t know anything, and their jobs should be open to only supporters of the Dictator.

By the way, SP is the FIRST Governor in 50 years of statehood to not reside in Junau WITH her family at the Governor’s mansion. She only comes to Juneau occasionally and during the legislative session which is now 90 days in January to April. Of course, she was such a maverick in cutting costs at the Governor’s mansion. What she forgot to mention is she just shifted those funds to extra travel for her and the kids and for per diem to reside in her home in Wasilla!

8 11 2008
Tom

In my previous post I meant to say “here” not “her”. Sorry. Freudian.

8 11 2008
testerm

Whabs…
I am going to spam the message but I am just asking if anyone knows how to report someone for sending out messages like this.

8 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh (20:46:15)
==========================
Damn, when you announce a new thread, you really want us to know. Thanks,
Now to read the post by AKM.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Tom, I think now that the gates are piling up, there will be due diligence in watching La Palin. I also think that they moderate Republicans are going to do their level best to destroy the monster they created. We should still be vigilant, of course (thanks, AKM). As I heard on NPR, she’s like the nine-headed hydra. You cut off one head, and two more grow back in place.

8 11 2008
testerm

Whabs…
Thanks I’ll go look over at the website now.

8 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

Asian
You mentioned Post Election Letdown.
We all had a common goal prior to Tuesday.
On a different note… I need some hot chocolate or something, it is cold in Seattle tonight.

8 11 2008
HamletsMill

This is an excellent essay!

It Still Felt Good the Morning After by Frank Rich – Sunday New York Times

“Our nation was still in the same ditch it had been the day before, but the atmosphere was giddy. We felt good not only because we had breached a racial barrier as old as the Republic. Dawn also brought the realization that we were at last emerging from an abusive relationship with our country’s 21st-century leaders. The festive scenes of liberation that Dick Cheney had once imagined for Iraq were finally taking place — in cities all over America.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/opinion/09rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Remember the moment to reestablish your mental health after eight years of this insane warped hell topped off by the mind bending indignity and insult upon every thinking and educated American of the last minute sociopath from stage right of Sarah Palin.

8 11 2008
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8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Whabs, it’s cold and snowing here in MN. I love it. You are right about the election. Plus, I’m still bummed about Prop. H8 passing. In addition, W. is doing his best to dereg and defrock the environment before he leaves. Can’t Obama take over NOW?

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

testerm, I just realized that the spam email you got really doesn’t have anything to do with President-Elect Barack Obama. Sorry!

8 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

Yuall would make Craig Ferguson proud.
I kn——————-ow.

8 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

I love all the smiling crying faces in the election night videos. Will I ever watch them and not weep?
WOW!
Yeah I have been venting at pages I write on about prop 8. I save my manners for here believe it or not.
I’m 44 years and for 37 years I have watched my loved ones thrown under the bus, been with em a few times. I gotta say there are lots of children of GLBT’s that feel the weight of that bus too.

8 11 2008
testerm

Thanks asiangrl….

I will look for a site and hand over this smut. I won’t rest until these people are exposed for this hate.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Whabs, I find that drinking tea helps. Calms me. I take heart that the vote was so close and that young people overwhelmingly voted against it. Times are changing, and those who can’t deal with it will be left behind.

I

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Oops. Didn’t finish my thought. I am 37, and I NEVER thought I’d see the day when a black man would be president. It’s hard to feel embraced on the one hand and shut out on the other. Good thing I don’t want to get married to anyone.

8 11 2008
ira2

*Smile*… perjury… it has such a nice ring to it, that word does, in my ears which have been battered by too much ugly propaganda shlop. Why, “perjury” sounds downright musical! Is this why Palin made it part of her performance?

8 11 2008
SMR

@testerm —

Tell the small-minded simpleton who sent you that email to send her f#$%ing complaints to MR G W BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He’s the person under whose administration that stamp was originally released, then re-released, then re-released & re-released AGAIN! Tell them to stick it in their hookah and smoke it or shove it or whatever!

http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&productId=40401&langId=-1

I have been the recipient of a couple of awful hate emails following the election of Obama, so my patience with emailing idiots is mighty thin!

8 11 2008
onlooker

I have a question.
If Ted Stevens was convicted of accepting gifts in the form of construction done to his home and not reported on his taxes…..how is that different from the construction to build the palin home in Wasilla? Both scenarios appear to be quite similar.
Or maybe it’s different if you’re the Gov and not a senator?

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

On a lighter note, I have a crush on President-Elect Obama. He is so intelligent, thoughtful, funny, curious, gentle, and he has a nice smile, laugh, and butt. Plus, he’s a great hubby and father. Is that wrong?

Then, I will double the wrongness by confessing that I have a crush on VP-Elect Biden as well. He is handsome, dignified, down-to-earth, a great family man, funny, feisty, and oh, that smile and those eyes.

In addition, Rahm Emanuel is pretty tasty-looking, too.

I just hope a few comely and intelligent women are added to the mix–like Rachel Maddow.

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8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

SMR, you go, girl! You slay me, you really do.

onlooker, the situations are the same, which is why we here on Mudflats are hoping for housegate.

P.S. I got my Mudflats long-sleeved t-shirt and Muckraker button today! Woo-hoo!

8 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

testerm (21:12:04) :
The e-mail you received is a lie. Read this. Than take all those e-mail addresses and apply for every free ad thingy and sample on the web you can find using their addresses. Hum a Christmas carol as you do.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/eidstamp.asp

8 11 2008
mhrt oregon"

speaking of mudflats…..today I got the yellow mudflats boots at walmart…..and in oregon I can use them….

8 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

I figured GWB pushed us so far back I would never see any person of color in power. I had hoped, but after George…I just really thought we were screwed.
I guess it just goes to show you that GWB made people step up to the plate.
I also realize that times will change, but that doesn’t alleviate the fact that it is still OK to strip GLBT basic civil rights.
In part, it is why when people ask me if I am married, I always reply with, “No I am highly allergic to it.”
GLBT’s have just as much right to be miserable in marriage as the 53% of all straight people are.(snark) They should also be allowed to have insurance, tax breaks and not be questioned about the ability to parent.

8 11 2008
SMR

@Asiangrrrl —

Had a lovely gathering today, celebrating my daughter’s 18th bday, lots of family & friends, and Obama was THE topic of conversation.

My mother, who is 60-ish and in great health, I’m sure that she could reasonably be expected to live another 30 years given that she’s a health-food freak & exercises like crazy, said today that SHE never expected to see it in her lifetime, that she’d heard many older than her say that they’d not expected to see it in their time. Now you’re saying the same thing.

I find it an interesting commentary in regard to how we view our society. Notwithstanding the evidence in the form of the absolute idiots who are in AK (voting in Bible Spice & the convicted felon — well, I’m hoping that last one won’t happen), and then those losers in California who voted for humane treatment for pigs & chicken yet couldn’t allow gays to marry, I guess I have to wonder had we all really given up on our fellow Americans to that extent? Because, really, I, at 40, had not ever felt that it would not happen in my lifetime. I didn’t have a LOT of hope for it, but I did have SOME…

Maybe it’s that your life experiences are different, having experienced racism first-hand?

8 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (21:36:07) :On a lighter note, I have a crush on President-Elect Obama.
——————————
You aren’t the only one. Check out this link.

Obama girl: I’ve got a crush on Obama.

8 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

Whabs, Seattle, WA
You have never offended me, ever. I supported your position in that thread totally. I still do. Period. With much backspace.

8 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Found you:)

I have a question about the Alaskan Attorney General: shouldn’t he be found in contempt, since he told some to ignore subpoenas, which was against the law?

Won’t the legislature have to compare the reports, and decide which is accurate?

I hope the Alaskan Legislature refuses to pay the bills for Palin’s assistant when the RNC presents an invoice for payment.

Finally, I will repeat what I said on the previous post: keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

upnorthMN-
Contact Nature Conservancy, Sierra Club, Defenders of Wildlfie, or other similar groups and see what they are doing to stop the Bushies…

8 11 2008
TeachKids

Reminding me of my disabled sister, Sarah Palin appears to suffer from “disinhibition” in speech. In her quest to find the words and facts to answer questions, Sarah Palin babbles on and on, each subsequent sentence less grammatical and more incoherent than the last. I’ve yet to hear her connect three well-formed sentences on a single topic and doubt that she is even capable of doing so. I’ll never again utter the words that “anyone” in the U.S. can become president.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

SMR, I think you hit it on the head about the reason I never believed it possible. Race is so complex in our society and so pervasive in subtle ways…Plus, those in power are realllllly loath to give it up. Look at how exceptional Obama had to be to make it this far. He is brilliant, calm, sure of himself, grounded, and clearly one of the best minds of our generation. My dad moved back to Taiwan in part because he felt he had risen as far as he could as an Asian man in the US. I have felt like an other for so long, I had accepted it.

I am still other for so many reasons, and I highly doubt I will see a woman of color as president in my lifetime, but for the first time, I actually saw America put its money where its mouth is. I also am grateful to President-Elect Obama for mentioning Asians in his speeches as we are a forgotten minority. My niece told me during the Democratic primaries that she didn’t want Hillary Clinton to win because she wanted to be the first female president of the United States. My niece is ten. I told her she could be the first Asian female prez, but inside, I felt like I was lying. Now, I can actually believe that she has an outside shot of making it on the ballot.

Whabs, we need to get European with marriage and make all marriages civil unions. Everybody gets married in city hall or some such, and those who want to have a religious ceremony can. That way, we can emphasize that it’s a civil rights issue and not a religious one. Religions don’t have to perform religious ceremonies for gay couples, but legally, gays should have the same rights as straights. Of course, I am the person who doesn’t even want to live with someone let alone get married, so the issue to me is one of civil injustice rather than something personal.

8 11 2008
El from Saskatchewan

It always happens! I punched on a link that someone on the other thread had listed and I ended up reading lots of the other report that were at that site. Then of course, you come back to mudflats and find yourself way behind again.
When I was gone, I came across an essay by William Ayres written now the election is over. It is well written and definitely a good read.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4028/what_a_long_strange_trip_its_been

8 11 2008
SMR

@Chief —

I love love love your idea. I really really do… I will have to ponder that one. See which side wins, my evil side, or my angel side.

I received awful vile emails on Wednesday, while the good vibes were still floating around my house, one saying Obama is Hitler, the other the Anti-Christ. They were from one of the daughters of some close friends of mine. I have been like a surrogate daughter to that couple, helping them through some really tough times, particularly the suicide of their son, while their flaky daughters imploded.

Anyway, I sent a pointed response to the Hitler email, saying that in fact the Mc/P campaign was more like a Hitler rally with its attendees being hateful, racist bigots, and said DO NOT SEND ME OFFENSIVE EMAILS LIKE THIS AGAIN. Got the Anti-Christ one later, so I responded in the same vein, but responded to EVERYONE that the email had been sent to so that they all would know just how I felt about that sh!t.

So, then I get some shite email from the OTHER daughter saying that she had been the ORIGINATOR of those emails, sorry her sis had been so irresponsible in forwarding it to me, that she was replying via her daughter’s email address (a 13-yr-old) because her daughter was on the list of people who got the emails & my reply. Mind you, this COMPLETE MORON LOSER RACIST BIYATCH was not upset that her sister had sent these hateful emails (originated by her) to her daughter, but was in her daughter’s email to intercept my MEAN RESPONSE.

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, it is okay that her 13 year old daughter is getting these emails promoting hate, racism & bigotry and worse, but NOT okay for her daughter to read my expressed opinion (expressed in an extremely reasonable fashion considering the content of the emails)?

These people are OFF THE ISLAND! BUH BYE!

The parents were at the party today. It was an interesting don’t ask-don’t tell sort of situation. I asked if the daughters had told them what happened. The girls said I was “mean.” She said they’d had to have a big family discussion about it. I know where they get their ideas from — their dad & their church, and I have been willing to overlook that because the mother is so wonderful, and a kind & loving Christian.

Will be interesting to see what comes of this. I won’t be sad to wash my hands of the crazy daughters.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Deuce2 AL, yes, but mine is more on the intellectual plane. I appreciate his cognitive abilities and his esoteric knowledge.

The fact that he looks nice in jeans is of no consequence. 🙂

8 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

upnorthMN-
As a member of the National Wildlife Federation we have done many Congressional write in campaigns, fund raisers, and fighting W. the last 7 years.
http://www.nwf.org/

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Crap. Forgot to unbold again. Sorry!

SMR, be glad that your daughter is not like that. Happy birthday to her, by the way.

El from Saskatchewan, thanks for the link. One thing I despise about McCain is how happily he dragged people through the mud just to win this election. That is NOT honorable.

8 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Whabs-
I hope you still post here; all of us benefit from different perspectives. I agree with asiangrrl (sorry, my computer refuses to bold- and it always wins)- we should have basic civil rights for all couples. I also don’t understand why this has to be such a big deal. Religious sects can have their marriage ceremonies and they can exclude whomever they want, because it is private. Anyone who wants to join together can do it at the court house. Asiangrrl is absolutely correct- this is an issue of discrimination, a denial of equal rights.

Assiangrrl-
Don’t give up hope; Obama has opened the door, allowing us a glimpse of what can be. I may be old- no, mature-but I expect to see a women president, an Asian or Hispanic or something-else president. Because I believe, I will work-when the time comes- to make it happen. I admired and respected the Vietnamese, Chinese, Thai, Japanese, and other -ese students I had in my ESL classes, for they followed what many American kids have forgotten: education is the key to success in life, so work very hard to get it.

8 11 2008
Augie

TeachKids (21:54:17),
What a pleasant surprise to see you here. I’m wondering if you received my postcard. The Six Bridges at Sunset?

8 11 2008
eajphd Wolves Run Free

Did Tuesday night and the following reports of global celebrations remind any one else of the final scene in the Star Wars movie?

8 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Good perspective on Palin from Time magazine:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1857003,00.html

Good night, mudpuppies- tomorrow is another day.

8 11 2008
Nisperos

@ Whabs

In sympathy re: Prop 8

“Defenders of Marriage” by Roy Zimmerman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bja2ttzGOFM&feature=channel

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Co Almost Native, thank you for the cheering words. I definitely need them tonight. I can’t say never any more because my big never just got broken, no, shattered on Tuesday night, but it’s hard to break out of old thought patterns.

And, for levity (warning, there is swearing in the title and the URL, sorry):

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nation_finally_sh***y_enough_to

Cut and paste, replace the three stars with the appropriate letters.

8 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

SMR (21:56:39) :
I know, it’s hard to think as evil as many of these so called Christians are, but I try.

Attacking a Muslim stamp.

They must be real men.

8 11 2008
El from Saskatchewan

As an observer from Canada, there are a few things about the US elections that mystify me.
It seems disjointed with each state having different rules and different methods of voting.
I didn’t know that Senators are elected for six year terms and those elected can go forever. I am not sure who would vote for people who are in the 80’s. I’m getting older and I know that I sure will not be at the top of my game at that age.
Comparing the senators with their six year terms to the president who has 2 terms of 4 years. The president’s term, I can figure. It just seems that the senators should have some limits as well.

8 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (22:01:45)
==================
Figured you would reply in that manner. Thought about stopping just as I hit
submit. Thanks for reminding me that sometimes I allow hands to move faster
than brain.

8 11 2008
Steph in KS

Asiangrrl-I had a crush on Obama, but I would turn gay for Rachel Maddow. Snarky, funny, intelligent…and I think quite attractive in an “aw-shucks” sort of way.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Nispero, thanks for that. I need all the laughs I can get!

8 11 2008
El from Saskatchewan

Help me – I wrote in Palenese
Comparing the senators with their six year terms to the president who has 2 terms of 4 years.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Deuce2 Al, hee. I’m just pulling your leg of course. My crush on Obama is both cerebral and, um, corporal. I am just glad he is all that rolled up in one.

Steph in KS, I LOVE Rachel Maddow. Ripley (another ‘Flats member) and I are fighting over her. Rachel is also cerebral and cute all wrapped up in one. Plus, she’s got that dorky laugh. Gotta love it!

Too bad they are both in stable, committed relationships!

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

El from Saskatchewan, I am an American, and I don’t get our election system. Or our voting system. There has to be a rehaul in the way we campaign and elect down here.

I was about to move up there if McCain/Palin had won. Fortunately for Canada, that didn’t happen, and you guys are safe from a raging Asian! I woulda been maaaaaaaaad.

8 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

Many states continue to vote in their “elder statesmen” because of the seniority system – they have the cherry seats on committee’s that benefit the state. Pork for the home fires

Some states have voted in Term Limits – however unless its enacted to ALL states – then the states that have it – loose out on the seats & committees

8 11 2008
Aussie Blue Sky

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (21:15:56) :

I think there’s a bit of free-floating post-election tension, and unfortunately, we’re tapping into it a bit here.
——————————————————–
There was plenty of tension before the election and it was always immediately resolved, but lately a couple of people have endeavoured to censor Mudflats – one even defending their right to do it.

I read this morning that folks abandoned a thread because of it (I’d already left; I get tired of busybodies really fast). This is how it starts.

8 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

OK muddies… have to run… good night.

8 11 2008
mhrt oregon"

i am a 56 year old grandma…………I did not vote for any one because of color ..I voted for the person that i thought would be best for OUR AMERICA…….so if you are living in OUR america it does not matter what color you are or what race you are…..IF YOU ARE BEST FOR AMERICA…then i hope we vote for you..please feel hopeful that you could vote for who you feel will be right for america..and i truly feely feel we have

8 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

Maybe I am wrong (was once) but, I think our nationwide election
system needs a complete overhaul. To hell with pork. Where’s the
BEEF?

8 11 2008
testerm

SMR & SHIKAGO…

Thanks for the feedback.
I just went to google and found many authentic Muslim forums and posted the letter and explained that I wanted it exposed and wanted to know if and how I could report it. I’m not even going to bother writing the senders because I am so tired of this sh– and don’t want to hear any empty apologies or excuses. I will post it on as many Muslim sites as I can with all the names and email addresses on it. I am so pissed!!!!!!

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Chief Shikage, good night, bro. See you on the flip side.

Aussie Blue Sky, yeah, I know. I didn’t bother going on that thread, but just waited for AKM to put up a new one. I also left another thread early rather than engage in a heated discussion about Prop. H8. I just skim over the stuff that doesn’t interest me and read the stuff that does.

8 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

Many, Many thanks to all of you mudflatters for putting up with
my (sometimes) BS this evening and now this morning. Must rest
now. Hope to be welcome here again today. Good nite to all.
GOD (or however you believe) bless.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Deuce2 AL, you are ALWAYS welcomed in the ‘flats. Good night and see ya on the flip side.

8 11 2008
More Light than Heat

@ Whabs and asiangrrl
Glad you’ve stuck around. The Prop 8 fight isn’t over, despite the vote count. Unfortunately, all struggles for equality have taken longer than they should. And they’ve all experienced setbacks along the way.

The younger people are the hope. They’ve known openly gay people at much younger ages than us older ones. I know I was well into adulthood, and then it was a case of people I’d known for some time coming out to me or someone else mentioning their orientation, not because it was hidden but because I was unaware. So it was simply one more fact or facet about them revealed.

Even some people I know who voted No on 8 are uncomfortable with the word marriage applied to same sex unions. They’re ok with civil unions, and intellectually they can understand the idea that separate but equal isn’t equal. The word marriage is so emotionally loaded. The particular people I’m thinking of have gay friends and have friends who have gay kids. So there’s something else going on that neither I nor they can put their finger on. For me this is so clearly a civil rights issue that I’m having trouble relating to their discomfort.

I’d really appreciate it if either of you can give me more insight on how to help them work through the semantics part.

8 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

You Go:::::::asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN.

8 11 2008
Shikago aka Chief Shikago

testerm (22:31:11) :
OK as I said it is a lie. But if ya change yer mind maybe those folks would like to be signed up for some free samples. Try
http://www.thunderfap.com/

8 11 2008
Melissa

If Gov. Palin did lie to get a favourable report and is found out to have done so, then she should face the music. I am sure that somebody will set up somesort of commission to see if she or anybody she knew lie to investigators. And if she did, than she should be brought with perjury charges.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

More Light than Heat, from what I’ve read, many people have difficulty separating the religious aspect from the civil aspect. In addition, there is the belief that marriage has always been one man and one woman. These, I find, are the two biggest of the biggest obstacles in people’s minds.

For the former, I would just emphasize that no religion has an obligation to perform marriage rites for gay couples. No religion has to even acknowledge such marriages. I think it would actually behoove us all if we separate the legal aspect of marriage from the religious aspect as, per Jamie, Floridian in France, many European countries do. So, what LGBT folks want is the civil right to be joined in union in order to have the legal backing that straight marriages do.

Again, personally, I don’t plan on getting married to anybody, so this is not the biggest personal issue to me, but it’s a matter of fairness. I would ask a straight person to imagine how s/he would feel if s/he were forbidden by law from marrying the person s/he loves. Suddenly, the relationship is deemed illegal, and all the rights that come with marriage are stripped away.

Sadly, I don’t think any kind of logical argument is going to change a deeply religious person’s mind about the issue.

As for the tradition argument, I like to point out that slavery was supported by the Bible, so were antimiscegenation laws, so was treating a wife as chattel to be bought and owned, and many other unsavory things we’d rather not talk about.

I agree that young people are the hope on this issue because they voted overwhelmingly against prop. h8.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Chief Shikago, I love this kind of covert ops. I am mean enough to do something like that if I ever got those smear emails which I don’t. I am filing it away for further notice, though. Thanks!

8 11 2008
SMR

@asiangrrl —

Has this election given your father some food for thought? Has he reconsidered how high/far he can go here? Or is he happier in Taiwan anyway?

I have always been, and will always be, totally color/race blind, and my daughter is too. Living overseas, and with me as a mother, has ensured that my daughter shares my love love love of other cultures. The other day we were discussing our feelings about the Prop 8 issue. We have lots of very good friends who are gay, one of the couples married in CA during that brief window of time when it was possible (although they live here in AK, out in Bible Spice’s valley, if you can believe it!), she said (and I agree wholeheartedly) that they live a much more “christian” life than many of the so-called Christians that we know. They are not people of faith, but embody many of the virtues that Christians are supposed to uphold, love thy neighbor, etc etc.

My daughter gives me hope for the next generation. She has a good soul, as do many of her friends. Some of the kids she knows are brainwashed at church, and little mini-me haters just like their folks, but I hold out hope for them. Perhaps our country will change under President Obama, and they will see that there is so much good that can be found in the “other” and the unknown.

So hang in there. And hang in there in regard to finding your own Rachel or Barack or Joe. It was a long strange trip to find my super-husband. Found him in the crappiest town in this crappy state — a town that holds all of my worst life memories. He was married, I was married, no vibes or anything between us. Almost 12 years later we have been married for nearly 10 of them, and I am still thankful every day for the strange cosmic forces that brought us together… It was totally unlikely, and that’s an understatement.

@Chief —

I am with you on those good Christian ideals! I guess they talk about everything in church except love thy neighbor, or maybe they preface it with “only if they’re the same color & religion & race…” So much anger & hate, and they are so blind to it. I am desperately trying not to give up on the lot of them. It’s tempting to ask that they be given a few states & some barbed wire fence to keep them from the good people. I had a hard time shaking off the bad feelings from those emails. It’s insidious and I don’t like that stuff in my head.

I have had fun, though, thinking of all of the great sites that I could go to and put their names on the email list. First thought of expanding their political horizons with Alternet & RealClearPolitics or maybe even The Onion. Decided they wouldn’t get it, so moved on to thinking maybe they don’t get laid enough or something and that’s at the root of the problem, so perhaps they need the weekly email from some place that has skimpy lingerie or S&M stuff…

In the end I decided thinking about it was enough to get me over it, so I won’t do it unless I somehow get back on their hate email list…

8 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

I liked the Ayers article –

Being a child of the 50’s – I remember the scene’s on TV-News of the soldiers in Viet Nam to Protests & Draft Card burning on campus’s across the country. It was a rebellious time – be it the war or the Draft system that created the outrage – I can’t really say. But the war ended ~ the draft system was dissolved into a volunteer military. Good things did come from those marches & protests.

Can anyone who has been to Viet Nam memorial “The Wall” in DC say the names engraved there “died in vain”? No. However, we hoped Viet Nam would be the final war this country would engage in without forethought and strategic planning.

Once again, we keep praying that our elected leaders have learned the lessons from previous administrations and say NEVER AGAIN.

As nasty as it sounds – I believe that any elected federal representative – from the Pres. / Vice Pres./ Congress & Senate / Their children are on the first plane to the new war zone. When they begin sacrificing their OWN children for a war – then they may consider taking mine.

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

SMR, my dad is not happy because Taiwan voted to go back to the KMT (like the current Republican Party, but worse), and he has fought his whole life for an independent Taiwan. Still, professionally, he has risen pretty high, and I think he will stay there until he retires. Then, he will do consulting work (he is one of the foremost economists in Taiwan), most likely, in America.

I am ready to hand the reins over to the next generation, well, rather, two generations behind me and let them whip this country into shape.

As for my own Joe/Barack/Rachel, it’s not on my top ten list. It would be nice to find someone simpatico with me, but I’m not holding my breath.

8 11 2008
testerm

Thanks SHICAGO…
Will do…
and you can all be my guest and start them on a journey of freebees!

8 11 2008
dean

You would think politicians would have learned by now that the cover up is more likely to bring them down that the crime itself.

8 11 2008
Pursang

I’m to the point where I don’t understand why Palin would want to give up the Governorship. In just 20 months she built herself a pretty lucrative criminal enterprise so why move on to anything else? It seems as if she was pulling in as much or more loot than Stevens and he’s been the Alaskan Senator for what, 300 years of so?

I should mention that the comment about Palin’s criminal organization is only partially tongue in cheek. While she may have honestly billed the state for all of that per diem and family travel on the grounds she thought it was authorized, I highly doubt it. Con women and con men like her and her husband are quite good at reading rules and regulations and using them for their own benefit. Look at almost every one of her “gates” and she always says that she was following the letter of the law. Lucky fo her that she could pocket a whole much of money or perks because of it.

I hope that Les Gara stays on point when the legislature reconvenes and brings up all of the ill-gotten gains that Palin has acquired (nice term for stolen). The press has done their job and brought this to light, now it’s time for the Alaska State Senate and the citizens of the great state to demand accountability.

8 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

I can understand that the Prop 8 has hurt quite a few.
I can only say that I am sorry and it takes time.
That doesn’t help in the short term –
but think of what has just occurred this last week.

The United States just elected its First Black President,
actually, bi-racial President.

Perhaps in the next 10 or 20 yrs we will have our first Openly Gay or Lesbian “couple” residing in the White House. Then there really will be
“a first Dude” or “the second Lady”

8 11 2008
Plop Hero Hussein Palin

AKM–hear me now and believe me later. I have it on VERY good authority that Petumenos did not know what he was doing. He simply does not know the ethics act, does not specialize in that type of law and decided that personal interest really meant “financial interest” DESPITE the fact that the ethics act actually does define ‘personal interest’ (and in case you were wondering, it IS NOT LIMITED TO FINANCIAL INTEREST). He used his misunderstanding of the ethics act (and I have no idea if this was intentional or negligent or just ignorant) to form the basis of his ‘no foul’ finding. I hope someone is paying attention and can do some digging!!!

8 11 2008
Uncle Joe Mccarthy

halcro did catch this…on nov 4

amazing…not one msm, including your beloved adn reported on the fact that in all likelihood, palin perjured herself

governor dumbass strikes again

but shhhhh…dont let it get out….cuz i want the repugs to stick with her for the next 4 years….then the party totally implodes and we can bring back the whigs

8 11 2008
asiangrrl"Yes we DID"MN

Enjay in Eastern MT, I know. I keep trying to tell myself that. I just don’t understand why some people have to be pulled kicking and screaming into the current century. Well, yes, I do. I just rather I didn’t.

8 11 2008
SMR

@Melissa —

Given her history, I think we can safely assume that Bible Spice lied. Some days I wonder if she knows how to tell the truth. Maybe she doesn’t know what is truth or lies anymore because she has constructed her own reality & her own truth.

The big concern for me, particularly as an Alaskan, is whether or not there will be support within the Legislature to move forward with this issue.

I’ve read one quote in an ADN article from one of the legislators (Repub of course) who said they are not planning to do anything further in regard to the Troopergate issue.

So, if our legislature is concerned with trying to get things accomplished, and in order to do that they feel some real or implicit pressure from the Gov to drop Troopergate, Alaskans are in a bit of a bind (to put it mildly). We are faced with the fact that our communities’ needs may not be met because the Gov will stonewall our representatives unless they drop Troopergate.

That being the case, it is up to individual Alaskans joining together to be heard to effect the positive change needed, ensuring that justice is served.

The news now is that Wooten is on desk duty because of death threats. No word on whether or not Monegan is also receiving similar.

I am so hoping for civil suits from both of those fellas so that this issue can be brought to the light of day via the civil courts.

Who knows, maybe the Personnel inquiry decided that the findings that it released were actually the best route to unearthing the truth. Think about it — Monegan wanted them to hear his “case” and said that if they wouldn’t he’d take it to the court system. Now he is forced to do that, and has their very shite explanation vs. the very comprehensive Branchflower report. I think it’s fair to say that the Branchflower report will carry more weight in a court of law. And no judge is going to buy Bible Spice’s story that her emails were deleted. NO emails are ever really deleted. So maybe that Personnel Board report was the best possible way to sandbag our Governor…

That explanation makes me feel better, anyway. But if I have to take to the streets with petitions & signs again, I am ready!!!!!!!!!!!

8 11 2008
MomsHugs (aka Eve)

Before anyone thinks the GOP is over their “crush” on Sarah… Esther, or whatever else they call her… think again. The Religious Right are charter members of the Council for National Policy, which hijacked the GOP during the 80’s & never let go. Ck out the CNP on Wikipedia & get a clue – these folks backed Palin once their media boys fell in head first back in Aug of 07 (NYTimes: “Palin’s Love Boat”).

The Religious Right has adopted Sarah as their new “cause” cause she fits their mold. Just one blog ought to give you pause like the one for Family Research Counsel or FRC’s KitchenTable blog: http://www.kitchentableblog.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?tag=Sarah%20Palin&blog_id=2&IncludeBlogs=2

Members of CNP will come after Obama’s administration like rapid dogs, just like they financed all the junk-yard dogs they sent after both Clintons. Rush & Sean are useing “hoodlums” as the new code word for conservative red meat. Big money is funneled through their 501(c)(3) to foot the bill. As public watchdogs, we cannot rest or we will see another “Contract With America” to turn back to GOP control of the House in 2010.

8 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

hahaha!
Time has a list of the top 20.
I missed a few.
Here’s one:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1854557_1854530_1854559,00.html

8 11 2008
Nisperos

Molly Ivins should have been here for Obama’s victory:

From her last column, January 11, 2007: “We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders. And every single day, every single one of us needs to step outside and take some action to help stop this war. Raise hell. Think of something to make the ridiculous look ridiculous. Make our troops know we’re for them and trying to get them out of there.”

[Molly Ivins quotes George W. Bush in one of his “Bushisms”] “What I am against is quotas. I am against hard quotas, quotas they basically delineate based upon whatever. However they delineate, quotas, I think vulcanize society. So I don’t know how that fits into what everybody else is saying, their relative positions, but that’s my position.”

Gee, that almost sounds like Sarah…
—————————–

And, Sarah Palin could use some of Molly’s following advice/warnings:

“The first rule of holes: when you’re in one, stop digging.”

“It’s hard to argue against cynics — they always sound smarter than optimists because they have so much evidence on their side.”

“Being slightly paranoid is like being slightly pregnant – it tends to get worse.”
—————————–

And maybe we could substitute Alaska for Texas?

“Next time I tell you someone from Texas Alaska should not be president of the United States, please pay attention.”

“In Texas Alaska, we do not hold high expectations for the [governor’s] office; it’s mostly been occupied by crooks, dorks and the comatose.”

Good thing we’ve still got politics in Texas Alaska — finest form of free entertainment ever invented.
—————————–

And substitute woman’s for man’s [and Sarah Palin for Dick Armey]?

“If ignorance ever goes to $40 a barrel, I want drillin’ rights on that man’swoman’s head. [Molly Ivins on Dick Armey Nisperos on Sarah Palin]”

8 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

asiangrrl”Yes we DID”MN (23:06:19) :

I remember back – to the 60’s and early 70’s when a mixed marriage wasn’t allowed in some states – and even if they were married in a state that allowed it — they couldn’t stay together in certain states.

The mind says – I understand – the heart, wants what it wants

8 11 2008
MomsHugs (aka Eve)

& btw… CNP’s tax-exempt status was challenged by the IRS… the Tax Court sided with CNP since “education” is part of their stated purpose, regardless of secrecy!! That’s a lot of tax revenue folks so let’s flex our public muscle to demand an full-scale investigation.

8 11 2008
Nisperos

Sorry about that last piece of distion – it should have read:

And substitute woman’s for man’s [and Sarah Palin for Dick Armey]?

“If ignorance ever goes to $40 a barrel, I want drillin’ rights on that man’s woman’s head. [ Molly Ivins on Dick Armey Nisperos on Sarah Palin]“

8 11 2008
Nisperos

diction rather than distion – think I’m going to bed soon

8 11 2008
8 11 2008
SMR

@asiangrrl —

Well, we are all still in search of the perfect country… Shite parties in power? Get in line! Peaks & valleys in the morale & politics in every country.

It does feel great that the Dems will get their turn in a couple of months, but what a loooooong horrible trip we have had to endure to get to this…

I hope that your father is able to find some solace & happiness regardless. And you too. My parents voted for Obama, people much older than they did also voted for him. This country is experiencing a sea change, it has just taken a bit longer than we’d all have liked. To many many countries around the world, though, we seem to have done it at light speed, and have given them hope that they, too, will see a similar change.

Remember Mandela and how amazing that seemed? And yet that country still struggles, even with that HUGE moment behind them.

A work in progress, all of us, every country, everything.

And your Joe/Barack/Rachel will come along. Just not when you’re looking. ESPECIALLY if you are not looking for it, in my experience!

Must go to bed now, folks. My loverly husband will go back to Calgary in a few days, and I am neglecting him for my mudfriends. He had to come on here earlier to see what I’d been up to, reading my posts! Doesn’t even bother to ask me what I’ve been typing furiously about!

Peace to all of you!!!!!!!!!!! You are the greatest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8 11 2008
ds55

Sarah gets away with a lot of nonsense because her cuteness is a distraction.
That won’t last forever. Soon she’ll just be a dumb old lady with a really bad diva attitude. “I was almost Vice-President!”

8 11 2008
Stop the Palinator

Thanks AKM, for continuing to shine light on the underbelly of this crazy lady’s reign of abuse. She is a menace and must be exposed. I especially loved the part about “any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”

Wouldn’t that include unlawfully charging the people of Alaska to fly her kids around and put them up in nice hotels? If I paid taxes in Alaska, I’d be screaming bloody murder.

8 11 2008
testerm

Good night Mudpuppies!

8 11 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

1:30 AM here — time for me to hit the bed too

Night Mudpuppies — tc & cya tomorrow

As Always — Thank you AKM for your wit & wisdom in addition to this wonderful place.

8 11 2008
Val

Stop the Palinator – The oil industry pays pretty near all the cost of government in Alaska. We don’t have state income tax or a state sales tax.

8 11 2008
Peter

The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!
– Mark Twain
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
Sarah Sarah Sarah…

8 11 2008
Nisperos

@ TeachKids (21:54:17) :

“Reminding me of my disabled sister, Sarah Palin appears to suffer from “disinhibition” in speech. In her quest to find the words and facts to answer questions, Sarah Palin babbles on and on, each subsequent sentence less grammatical and more incoherent than the last. I’ve yet to hear her connect three well-formed sentences on a single topic and doubt that she is even capable of doing so. I’ll never again utter the words that “anyone” in the U.S. can become president.”

True, true…

The ersatz Dr. Nisperos (who has no graduate or medical degrees) attempts a tongue-in-cheek Dx:

Axis I:
R/O Bipolar I Disorder
R/O Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder

Axis II:
Personality Disorder with narcissistic, histrionic, and antisocial features

AxisIII:
R/O frontal lobe syndrome with disinhibited, impulsive behavior, inappropriate jocular affect and euphoria, poor judgment and insight, and distractibility

9 11 2008
ds55

“Dr.” Nisperos, I believe Sarah may have received a serious bump on her head.
Snow machine riding, perhaps? Something that would show up in a medical report?

http://www.aboutbraininjury.org.uk/site_documents/4.6%20Nurse%20Anna.pdf
“What is Disinhibition?
Hurting the frontal lobe of the brain can damage our sense of inhibition.
Inhibition makes us think twice before we do something. Sometimes,
saying what we really think or doing what we want can be hurtful to
others or can get us into trouble or situations we would rather not be in.
Hurting your frontal lobe can sometimes stop us from thinking twice.
This is called ‘disinhibition’.”

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Good morning Mud Puppies! Jumping right in without bothering to catch up. Who’s around at this hour?

9 11 2008
MomsHugs (aka Eve)

Jamie in France: Who’s around at this hour?

Guess that would be me… 5 am in GA. Yikes! But had to return once again to post this from Talk2Action, a sensible website (no reflection on mudflatters ~;-D)…

Focus on Family Sr. VP, Tom Minnery, in a letter sent day after the election:
“Let me speak plainly. Our nation has never faced the kind of anti-family, pro-abortion assault that we’re likely to see in the coming weeks and months. We don’t have to guess what the Left will do now that they control Congress and the White House; they’ve told us:”

Talk2Action.org is about “Reclaiming Citizen History & Faith”….
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/11/8/125449/023

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Good morning MomsHugs! Boy, 5 am? You crazy lady! But god to have someome to chat with. Gonna take a minute to check out your link.

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

“And religious freedom will be badly damaged if and when the gay lobby’s two top bills — hate crimes and Employment Nondiscrimination Act (ENDA) — become law.”

What? Making hate crimes criminal offences and eliminating discrimination will damage religious freedom? Is he saying that hate and discrimination are part of his religion or religious creed? Incredible!

Too bad they don’t have a bunker mentality. I was hoping that anybody so racist and hate-filled would pack their bags and head to the mountains or leave the country in self-imposed religious exile… and leave the country to us!

9 11 2008
MomsHugs (aka Eve)

Funny you should mention mountains… the New Apostolic Reformation crazies refer to 7 of them in their video & by speakers. Ck ’em out…

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/11/5/13585/8320

Talk2Action calling out the lack of media coverage of Palin’s heavy involvement with the followers of Wagner’s Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/11/5/13585/8320

9 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

MomsHugs –
if you are here – NEW THREAD! I was first! But going out to lunch so I’ll be back in a couple of hours….

I’ll check out your other links then, too. I was amazed at the other one!

9 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

How to Report Hate Crimes Here

http://www.lambda.org/hatecr2.htm

Don’t just hit delete

9 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

How to Report Hate Crimes Here

http://www.lambda.org/hatecr2.htm

Don’t just hit delete

9 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

Here is a place to report Hate Crimes

http://www.lambda.org/hatecr2.htm

9 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

PLease oh please report all hate crimes, do not just hit delete!!!!

When I paste the URL, well, it is triggering AKM’s spamguard so I am cutting and pasting the instructions – but there are also links embedded in the instructions so go to the site to get full info and access to links there

www*lambda*org/hatecr2*htm

You need to remove the asterisks and replace them with periods.

Here is the content form the page:

What to do following an incident
If you have been victimized in a hate crime or hate incident, here are some suggestions for things you should immediately do:
In an emergency, dial 911, 0, or the emergency number in your area.
Get medical attention for any injuries.
Call the police as soon after the incident as possible. You may be eligible for financial compensation for damages.
Get the responding officer’s name and badge number.
Write down all details of the crime as quickly as possible after the reporting.
If you saw the perpetrator(s), try to remember gender, age, height, race, weight, build, clothes and other distinguishing characteristics. If anything was said, such as anti-gay epithets or threats, make a mental note about them.
Carefully preserve any evidence, such as notes, clothing, graffiti, tape recordings, fingerprints, etc. Take photographs of any injuries and of the location where the incident occurred.
If you want the crime to be reported as a hate/bias crime, tell the officer to note that on the report.
Make sure the officer files an incident report form and assigns a case number.
If the police do not assist you properly, file a complaint and contact LAMBDA immediately.
If a police report is not taken at the time of your report, go to the police station and ask for one. Always get your own copy.
Contact your local GLBT community center, P-FLAG, the HATE-CRIME NETWORK, or the Hate Crime National Hotline (206-350-4283) for assistance & information — even if you choose not to contact the police. Contact your District Attorney’s office or police department’s victim services unit.
LAMBDA’s Anti-Violence Project can often provide you with referrals to local anti-violence and victim advocates in your area.
To complete a report online, click here.

9 11 2008
Marnie

Since McPow and Ms Pants on Fire lost the election, and Palin was not invited to contribute her ideas and presence at the meetings that the Repocons are having to try to plan their future (that’s a hint of your future. Not. Sarah) –
I wonder how the conflict-of-interest board members and the state employees, other than the Palins feel without the Repocon lawyers to protect and coach them.

I suspect a little pressure and the prospect of having to hire their own lawyers and pay them, will loosen some tongues. It may take a while for reality to sink in to the Palin loyalists, but the reality of bankruptcy and threat of jail time do have their medicinal effects and the blindly loyal can be made to see.

9 11 2008
sjk

testerm, what does being Christian have to do with ANYTHING?

sjk

a NYJ (NEW YORK JEW)

9 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

@Margaret (21:03:49) :

She lies seamlessly. However, and thankfully, Gov. Palin is not so smart to cover her tracks, completely. Your analysis is very good – thanks for keeping us informed!

~~

IMHO, it’s not a matter of being smart enough for her to cover her tracks, it’s more that the reality in which she lives is the truth and, therefore, there are no tracks to cover.

True NPD colors showing through.

9 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

@SMR (23:06:56) :

Given her history, I think we can safely assume that Bible Spice lied. Some days I wonder if she knows how to tell the truth. Maybe she doesn’t know what is truth or lies anymore because she has constructed her own reality & her own truth.

~~

I’d not read SMR’s post prior to writing about SP’s “reality”. Sorry to repeat what you said so well.

9 11 2008
Ripley in CT

“With all these alarm bells going off, you’d think someone would be paying attention.”-AKM

But you ARE paying attention… and we know it won’t get swept under the rug as long as that remains. 😉

9 11 2008
austintx

Her little house of cards built on shitty tiny lies is coming down around her ears……..people all around her are gonna start rolling………you betcha !!!

9 11 2008
farmhouselady

hee, hee, chuckle in gleeful, evil anticipation… what fun is starting up again!

if there is one thing i hate, it is a lying politician. the reason it is so deeply upsetting to me is that here she is, living well by sucking up public money (not to even mention that sucked up by her husband and children), doing nothing very strenuous to earn it, and she can’t keep her sticky fingers out of the cookie jar from grabbing even MORE. and underlying it all is this “devoutly Christian” woman’s belief that she is SO SMART to be getting away with it and we are SO DUMB we’ll never catch on and will just swallow without even chewing whatever lies come out her moosemeat hole, because she is the PRINCESS and we are DIRT.

it’s as if she has the sacred right to keep her hands in our pockets and ROB US all she wants, because that’s all we lowlifes exist for, is to finance her care and feeding in the manner to which she has become accustomed, by her ill gotten gains.

i just hate being called STOOPID, especially by a 25-watter such as this shallow, greedy, amoral dame.

i’m not even an alaskan (except in spirit), but these tactics from our politicians are all too common these days and it is SO INSULTING to the very ones whose hard eared money is being stolen. yes, stolen. from the poliician’ fat paychecks on through the perks and right on to the other grabs we don’t even know about. greed feeds upon greed. there’s no end to it. somehow, these criminals have to be STOPPED. we should NEVER get used to it.

that’s what makes this whole sarah palin situation so interesting and so worthwhile. it’s the grassroots thing by you alaskans. if anyone ever told you you are powerless or too stoopid to set things right, i guess you weren’t listening. the rest of the country is getting some sorely needed eucation on the real power of the people by this ongoing saga. for so long, we’ve been brainwashed that we are just powerless pawns, just a big crop of ever-sprouting hundred-dollar bills, ripe and hanging low in the lush gardens of our politicians. you guys never fell for it, never lost your starch.

i for one have learned so much from you. never quit!

9 11 2008
diana

Hi I don’t write often but I think that petumenos was in a conflict of interest position in that he had previous relationships with the palin administration

also petumenos did not understand or interpret the ethics law as it is intended..
and Palin perjured herself…

I’m having sarh palin moments as i try to write my thoughts…ouch…is it catchy…???????

isn’t there a watchdog group that could help with these isues…didn’t ralph nader do these kinds of investigations…this might help keep him busy…

I’m going to check his websites…..definitely we need help…
I love reading this blog and all the great links really helped me stay in touch with election news in record time(I run a small business and have very little time)

have a great day!!!

9 11 2008
Marnie

El from Saskatchewan

The different states have their own versions of how they handle elections as a hangover of States Rights. The colonies wouldn’t give up their sovereignty and become the US without being allowed to keep a lot of local power.

The whole Senate thing is a pander to the sons of nobility that came to the US. It is also an equalizer to the original states that had small populations, especially the rural south, because they would be out voted in the House, which they were. So the Senate gave each state equal representation, and each House of Congress pretty much equal power. Again it was a compromise to get all the colonies to join the Union.

Are you confused yet? The longer terms in the Senate were also a pander to what were expected to be the non-rabble. The noblesse oblige could maintain some control over the lower house as they stayed in office longer.

The Pres used to be re-electable forever till the Constitution was amended, but Nixon’s supporters wanted to repeal that Amendment and have him elected President for life. (No I am not making that up.)

The states used to send electors that represented the proportion of the state’s vote for each Pres and VP candidate. (VP used to be elected separately.)
That changed in Texas for Johnson and now most states do the same thing, called all or nothing. That means that roughly half of each states citizens are disenfranchised if the vote in the state is close.

If that all sounds a little incomprehensible – it is.

9 11 2008
austintx

Farmhouselady – swe-e-e-et………Poodles sense of entitlement is sickening and amazing all in one………a combo platter of sorts……….

9 11 2008
Misfit

I swear it has got to be something in the water! More concentrated in Alaska than down here in the lower states (maybe all the drilling?) If the Dictator and crooks say it is not so then that MUST be the truth LOL Riiiight.

On another note: Bush has been taking advantage of being out of the limelight and quietly trying to push through as many slimey laws, bills, acts as he can before he leaves office. That way, they have are already in place and avoids them being BLOCKED when our new President takes office. I Really wish Obama could take office NOW!

9 11 2008
Intrigued

On Obama’s phony “Certificate of Live Birth,” which is NOT a birth certificate and was only released after months of footdragging:

All of you who are INSISTING that this POS “document” is legit have just called Obama’s Kenyan grandmother, a Reverend, and a Bishop LIARS. They lied under oath, swearing that Obama was born in Kenya?! WHY would they do that?

The U.S. Supreme Court rejects the vast majority of cases it is petitioned to hear. If Obama’s COLB is authentic and proves he was born in Hawaii, why would they waste their time fooling around with this case, hmmmm?!

You SHEEP need to put PARTY LOYALTY aside and start thinking about what is best for this country. Obama, the “constitutional scholar,” has been EXPOSED as a LIAR, a CHEAT, and a FRAUD. And so has Howard Dean and the rest of the DNC, who KNEW this all along but ran the ineligible candidate anyway.

Now do you understand why Hillary has been so quiet? She has been biding her time!! This will likely go back to the Electoral College, who no doubt will cast their votes for Hillary.

You should all be ashamed for DEFENDING this kind of despicable behavior. A horrible SHAM has been perpetrated against the American people. And you can take your ad hominem crap and shove it up your arse. (BTW, attacking the messenger is proof that you have no argument.) I am NOT a Republican. And neither is attorney Phil Berg (a registered Democrat), who filed this lawsuit.

9 11 2008
Territorial Babe

Sounds like it’s time to recruit…surely there’s some unknown smartie left in AK to promote, support, and groom for leadership roles in Alaska…what about this year’s crop high school grads from Egegik, East or West or Chugiak High, Ketchikan, Homer, Sitka, etc.?

When I left in late ’70’s there were a lot of folks that really admired Mr. Jay Hammond, Mr. Gruening, and other decent and well-respected Alaskans.

A person who ‘gets off’ on narcissism or whatever is best ignored, unless someone is really afraid she’ll do something sociopathologically violent. What does SP really mean to leadership in AK–she’s shown her ‘true’ colors, now, can’t AK come up with any better?

Time to regroup and take the Republican party back to its roots. There are many, many fine people in AK that based their hopes on what it used to mean–other than corruptive underpinnings.

On another note, just viewed an Alaska video (info from Fairbanks, Anchorage State Museums, Japan, etc.) featuring the start-up of the territory in the 40’s as a military outpost. At one time US gave great consideration to military ‘rule’ of AK.

Quite interesting the length of the Occupation of Kiska lasted, marine battles, and under what conditions those fighting there had to survive, as well as how the Inuit were treated by both AK and Japan–some of the shameful things that have happened in AK, didn’t just start with the lifetime of AK-Washington, DC corruption, or Ms. Palin’s embarrassing revelations about ‘her’ rise to power and influence.

9 11 2008
Territorial Babe

Wheww… the previous blogger ‘Intrigued’ had better go change his shorts and brush his teeth. Some pretty dirty stuff coming out of all orifices. Quite disrespectful and ignorant.

9 11 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

See you are still at it Intrigued..so full of hate. Why don’t you just go away!

9 11 2008
futurexpat?

I think she’s a very shrewd politician and a pathological liar. That makes her very dangerous.

9 11 2008
Quetzalcoatl

Thanks for your indefatigable work, AKM.

From those voted into office to those ‘reporting msm’, seem to be in cahoots pulling the wool over the eyes of tax payers of Alaska.
The whole lot of them need to be investigated for conspiracy, because I can smell it from here [southern Ontario].
Keep kicking those termite lodges down.

I second what CO Almost Native (21:47:45) stated, Keep your enemies close to your side.

9 11 2008
InspectorT

Don’t feed the TROLL!!

9 11 2008
rachelbirds

Love “I know you know”
email, Muckraker — this has
potential to hurt.

http://www.thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com

9 11 2008
Democrat G (formerly G)

NAIL PALIN! She is a total nut job, a liar, and a threat to America. She is a terrorist in my opinion. I have a feeling she will be gone soon…..we just need to keep up the fight!

9 11 2008
Rob in Ca

Think about the fact that 64% of Republicans want Palin to run for President in 2012.
Think about the fact that Stevens may well get elected even after 7 felony convictions, and that Palin has already reversed her earlier stand that he should step down.

This does not sound to me like a political environment where the Legislature is going to have the political will to pursue Troopergate, or the perjury issue, or even the FOIA requests for emails.

The RNC will take the hit, without naming names, for the outrageous clothes purchases. And when we ask about the luggage and the boxers and the tanning spray, they will ridicule us for nitpicking.

My point? Simple. Alaskans are going to have to be loud and clear to their representatives ….VERY loud and VERY clear! If you want the perjury, the unethical conduct, the possible violation of privacy (over Wooten’s Workers Comp file), the illegal protection of emails….if you want all these things pursued, pick up the phone, write a letter, and send an email, and don’t stop!

Remember….Palin in 2012????

9 11 2008
Blue in MT

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/583456.html

ADN has a nice article on what is ahead for SP. I don’t think she’ll be flyin’ under the radar doin’ what she knows, she knows, she knows for long.

Alaskans are paying attention & will continue to do so. AKM is leading the fight & I predict all the sordid truth (or would it be sordid lies?) will come out. Nice work AKM. Keep it up.

Remember to reward AKM for her time – you can donate by clicking on the link at the top of the page on the right. She’s going to need some new boots after wading through all of this!

9 11 2008
Laura in Phoenix

Blue, there are quite a few of us in Phoenix that are watching, as well! Keep up the great work on this site…you guys and gals are a great source of info!

9 11 2008
Intrigued

LMAO! Ad hominem attacks are all you have. Why don’t you counter my FACTS? ANSWER: Because you CAN’T.

Hearing facts that you DISLIKE is YOUR problem, not mine.

The Truth Shall Set You Free!!

9 11 2008
sjk

I see some possible perjury, potential witness tampering, perhaps insurance fraud if Trig isnt Sarahs, and “who helped built that house” with a really big side order of the reciepts for the materials. I bet Petumenos is in UP TO HIS EYEBALLS IN HOUSEGATE. His law firm handled the $15 million dollar bond issue for the Wasila-Palin Sports Shrine, a building on land the CITY DIDNT OWN. Same timeframe. Same MO as teddy. 527 time, etc….easy dots to connect if someone opens up.

More fun to come!

Now lets find the clothes in the belly of the plane and auction them off to women in need that have SP’s exact measurements.

9 11 2008
anchorage_patriot

The thing that stinks about this is she’s absolutely shameless. She lied to everybody and we all know it but we’re expected to eat shit. She’ll hold up Troopergate as an example of how SHE WAS WRONGED and treated unfairly. Her supporters will go along with it. She lied repeatedly, got caught on the most public stage imaginable and is getting off better than scot free. I really wish we had someone with high moral authority here in Alaska who could call her out on this. In the larger scheme, I don’t mind if she goes ‘unpunished’ for Troopergate but I hate the fact that she will use it to her advantage.

Psychopath!

9 11 2008
here_in_ak

I was just wondering if the group, Alaskans For Truth are planning anything to help get to the bottom of this. I live in Alaska, attended the rally in front of the library in September, but couldn’t make the one on the Park Strip as we were out of town. But I would like to volunteer to help if I can with this, just don’t know who to talk to. So, all suggestions would be welcome. Thx!

9 11 2008
Kelly M

Seems Mrs. Palin got used to telling lies on the campaign trail, but she forgets that her state legislature is here waiting. She called them names, she lied about them and she has to work with them. It was a bipartisan investigation, Mrs. Palin…

9 11 2008
mickeymusing

This is exactly what I can’t understand. Petumenos says in his findings that he didn’t have all the information required to reach a conclusion and then he proceeds to reach a conclusion. People have been seriously wronged here. Their jobs and their reputations have been ruined. I’m guessing the Petumenos report will seriously restrict Monegan and Wooten’s legal recourse at this point. It’s just wrong. The only fair option would be to appoint a special investigator, but the chances of Talis Colberg doing that are nil, I imagine. What is the next step?

9 11 2008
Plop Hero Hussein Palin

I don’t think Wooten or Monegan’s legal resource will be limited because of the report. I think based on my earlier post (23:11:something), a decent lawyer could tear it apart. I think Monegan tried to do the honorable thing in asking for the then-denied hearing, but I hope he takes it to the next step.

9 11 2008
DeMo

Intrigued said:
“You SHEEP need to put PARTY LOYALTY aside and start thinking about what is best for this country. Obama, the “constitutional scholar,” has been EXPOSED as a LIAR, a CHEAT, and a FRAUD. And so has Howard Dean and the rest of the DNC, who KNEW this all along but ran the ineligible candidate anyway.”

Exposed? All lower courts have rejected the case as frivolous. The Supreme Court has yet to decide. But you’ve determined President-elect Obama is a liar, cheat and fraud. So much for due process.

Intrigued said:
“If Obama’s COLB is authentic and proves he was born in Hawaii, why would they waste their time fooling around with this case, hmmmm?!”

Ahhh, so accepting the case means the Obama campaign and the whole of the DNC perpetrated a sham. Gotcha’. Okey dokey. The fact that all other courts said otherwise means nothing to you, apparently. Until the SC renders a decision, your conclusions are nothing more than wishful, sad thinking.

Oh, and Philip J. Berg? Sanctioned $10,000 in 2005 for what a judge called a laundry list of unethical actions AND ordered to complete 6 hours of ethics training. Seems he didn’t learn much. Source: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1122023117263

9 11 2008
CyndiOH

Hello all!

I just have to say that this blog ROCKS! I’m from Ohio and I’ve been following the daily posts for about 2 months now. You’re in my bookmarks along with many other news sources, including adn.com! I’ve also sent your link to dozens of Ohio buddies and family out in Arizona…they’ve all thanked me.

I agree with all of you, Palin needs to be questioned and the truth must come out. And this whole election count deal…what’s up with that?!?!

You have much support from Ohio. Keep up the good work with getting the corruption exposed in your great State!

Can’t wait to visit Alaska some day!

Blessings from OH.

9 11 2008
the problem child (a jerk, also)

I know I’m posting on a practically dead thread, but just wanted to say that when you receive a hateful e-mail, by all means, take whatever guerrilla action against the sender(s) seems appropriate, but please leave you co-recipients alone. They may be as disgusted by what you are all receiving as you are!

9 11 2008
austintx

Mickeymusing – look for civil lawsuits coming………the depositions will be indepth and brutal…….and the lawyer that takes the case will be working on a front……..expecting up to 40% of the gross settlement. I personally know one of these kind of lawyers. We are talking beyond barracuda……try Great White Shark……..they find dirt under dust….very thorough and ruthless……..they do not take the job unless they can win…….

9 11 2008
Intrigued

Press Release 11-07-08: US Supreme Court awaits response to Berg Writ of Certiorari from Obama, DNC and co-defendants
Saturday, 08 November 2008 04:23 administrator Main – News For Immediate Release: – 11/07/08

U. S. SUPREME COURT AWAITS RESPONSE TO
BERG’S WRIT OF CERTIORARI
FROM OBAMA, DNC and Co-DEFENDANTS
(Contact information and PDF at end)

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 11/07/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States filed a Writ of Certiorari in the United States Supreme Court on October 30, 2008, requesting review of the United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Judge Surrick’s Dismissal of Philip J. Berg’s lawsuit against Barack H. Obama, Jr., the DNC and the other co-Defendants. Accordingly, the U. S. Supreme Court has set dates in which Barack Obama, the DNC and all co-Defendants are to respond to the Writ, which is on or before December 1, 2008.

Mr. Berg remarked today, “I look forward to receiving Defendant Obama’s response to the Writ and am hopeful the U. S. Supreme Court will review Berg v. Obama. I believe Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally-qualified natural-born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of President of the United States.”

Mr. Berg’s case, Berg vs. Obama was dismissed from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Docket # 08-cv-4083 for lack of standing. Mr. Berg filed a Writ of Certiorari for review of the case and an injunction to stay the election pending review. Justice Souter denied the injunction. It is expected that the Court will decide whether or not to review Berg v. Obama after the Defendants file their response, and Mr. Berg has replied to the Defendant’s response.

The Defendants’ response is due by December 1st and Mr. Berg’s reply will be submitted thereafter.

9 11 2008
Intrigued

Obama is TOAST! The Kenyan grandmother, Reverend, and Bishop all swore under oath (affidavit) that he was born in KENYA, not the United States.

It’s all over!!!

9 11 2008
katiebegood

I wonder what Tim Petumenos got in return for his participation in this farce. The thing that was never mentioned in this “Personnel Review” is the inherent conflict of interest in employees investigating their immediate supervisor. If that’s not a conflict of interest, I don’t know what is.

9 11 2008
katiebegood

Troll alert!

Let’s remember, everyone, that we ignore trolls here. They are not worth our time and effort to try to reason with. The only way to get rid of the vermin is to ignore them. They will eventually get bored and go away.

9 11 2008
Plop Hero Hussein Palin

You’re cute, Intriqued.

9 11 2008
katiebegood

Misfit (05:22:20) :
On another note: Bush has been taking advantage of being out of the limelight and quietly trying to push through as many slimey laws, bills, acts as he can before he leaves office. That way, they have are already in place and avoids them being BLOCKED when our new President takes office. I Really wish Obama could take office NOW!

Don’t worry about it. All Bush can do at this point is issue Executive Orders and as soon as Obama takes office he will issue an Executive Order to countermand Bush’s order. There’s no way Bush will get any laws passed by Congress at this late date. All he’s doing is trying to make as much of a mess as he can so that Obama will have to clean it up. How childish is that?

9 11 2008
szn46

‘asiangirl’ funny funny funny…mumble mumble…I wish i had been up last night.

Yeah, about the new “findings”, I was searching for the transcript and couldn’t find it …I get it now. Hope they all have to testify in a civil case about why they “overlooked” the email. Should lose their jobs for that bit of incompetence…but then again they will probably get a promotion and a free sample of Palin’s new make-up line. Apocalypstick!

9 11 2008
sauerkraut aka road apples palin

If you keep scratching that surface long enough, you’ll soon enough have a nice deep hole for Sarah Palin to jump into.

And I say that in the kindest, gentlest way possible. 🙂

9 11 2008
mmiddle

Apologies if I’m repeating anyone, but that report could well be a big FU to Dem bloggers. Speculation that ie Board members’ connection to Murkowski might color outcome would be a real red flag to an experienced lawyer like Petumenos. I’m sure Palin’s defenders keep close tabs on what her opponents are saying about her online her dad was quoted saying “I can take anything but the blogs.”

m

9 11 2008
AustinTXGal

Thanks for your continued lucid and informative posts. One poster said she wonders if anyone but Alaskans cares about this. Trust me, we do. I don’t want Palin anywhere near D.C. Personally, I don’t see her even being re-elected governor or getting that senate seat. People would have to be crazy to be fooled twice by this lying, deceitful, manipulative, and ignorant woman.

9 11 2008
AustinTXGal

Oh…and Berg and Intrigued both need to find something constructive to do with their time rather than being spoiled sports and going around trying to be smart alecs because they lost.

9 11 2008
robo550

wow – 173 posts about nothing significant. maybe we should put this much energy into looking into the messiah’s and drunk uncle joe’s dirty deeds – or is that what all this smoke is supposed to be covering?

9 11 2008
Lolly

I’m sorry but this chick needs to be impeached and jailed. She is dangerous. Her husband probably needs to go to jail too. Is there anyway the lower 49 can help with this? Can’t this go to the supreme court under an Obama presidency?

10 11 2008
charlinka

Thank you for this timely extremely well-written update. We await justice from the Alaskan legislature, until such time, please keep us focused and filled in on all that transpires.

10 11 2008
Segundina

I think Sarah Palin deserves some rest.

10 11 2008
Linda in Lancaster

I think Tina Fey would have made a better VP than your very own Gov. . . and probably much more honest. Does the First Dude have a desk in her office? Who really is the Gov in your fair state?

11 11 2008
Diana

Well folks…”I know, what I know, what I know”:-) and was amazed when the second report found her not guilty of anything unethical. WTF..!! I had been following this for such a long time, and recalled the email mentioned, and thought..wait..why wasn’t this used as evidence?
I am grateful to sites like this one, which explore things said and done by Palin with a far more open mind, than the people who blindly love her, in spite of all that she does that is just totally unethical, if not illegal.
We in the lower 48, (the majority that is) feel we have dogged a bullet by this woman, who surely would have made our country far less safe, and far worse off..(god could it be any worse?) then with little bush.
Keep up the great work you do here! You have my support, for sure.




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