Bedtime in Alaska – Open Thread

6 11 2008

Good night, Mudflatters! I had a busy evening, which I’ll tell you about in tomorrow morning’s post!

Looks like there are several Mudstocks in the offing!

Oregon area Mudflatters who are interested in meeting up, email oregonmudfest@yahoo.com or go start a conversation about it on the Forum board. I started the topic in the Events & Meets section. Click this link –

http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,3461.0.html

And anyone planning on being in D.C. for the big innaugural event on January 20th and want to connect? Email mudstockdc@hotmail.com or pop over to the Forum and join the discussion about this meetup. Looks like there are quite a few Mudflatters ready to make the trip! Try this link:

http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,3434.0.html

I’ve also heard rumblings about a California Mudstock, and a couple others I now forget!

Check the Forum for other meet ups in the Events & Meets room!


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6 11 2008
scottish-mud-fan

Thanks AKM, you is the bestest.

I’m fired up and ready to go this morning with some zydeco ringing in my ears. Oui on peut.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLvgwHGlpdQ

6 11 2008
Steph aka Beans Harpoon Hussein-Palin

I think that even though Obama only got 41% of Kansas, I’m calling it a victory anyway. Historically, the Democratic Presidental candidate here only hits in the 30s. I think Clinton hit 38 in the first election.

Obama’s best were DC (93%) and Hawaii (72%)

McCain’s best was Oklahoma with 66%. On states lost, Obama still did higher than McCain most of the time. So he IS a President for ALL states.

6 11 2008
Zim in Oz

ooo la la….
Am I first ?

Thanks AKM for all your hard work

6 11 2008
Zim in Oz

…nearly…

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Hi Zim in Oz and Steph. my computer is having trouble again so I haven’t been around, but wanted to pop in and say how fabulous I feel!

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Sorry scottish mud fan – didn’t see you way up there. Are you really in Scotland?

6 11 2008
Zim in Oz

Hi Jamie (BTW my sister’s name is Jamie) *waves to Scotty and Steph too*

What are people saying in France ?

Here in Australia everyone seems to be thrilled.

My mother now lives in South Africa and last night emailed me some lovely Barack pics….so not like my Mom LOL even she is excited !

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I think that people in Europe are so overjoyed! I haven’t really ben out and around much lately, but it is all over the tv day in and day out – the French know and feel how crucial this election and this choice is for the whole world. After the Iraq War fiasco – the American mocking of and bycott of France and all things Fench, they know that Obama will heal all of the bad feelings between the two countries. I saw a blurb along the bottom of the French news – you know, the news that scrolls aross the bottom of the screen – that Angela Merkell of Germany is hoping that this will usher in a new era of respect and cooperation. Sarkozy also hinted at this renewal of American cooperation and working together with europe. He also said basically that he is waiting for honor to return to the US along with her values.

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Gotta change computers again damn technology

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

My husband heard this morning that Obama is putting up a website that will follow and record his whole transformation period. Anybody hear about this? What’s the link?

6 11 2008
From England aka Spoon Archer Hussein Palin

Hi everybody!!! Elation here in England.

Still tuned into Fox news as I can’t get enough of the blood letting. I am astonished at how vigorously Fox and Friends are defending SWWNBN against post election revelations and attacking Mccain aides that are leaking the scoop – as slime, gutless etc. We are all incredibly lucky to have escaped the possibility of this shockingly unqualified, pathological liar as president.

And the cynicism of the Mccain campaign in continuing the slogan “country first” while all the time fully knowing the risk they were placing the world at with this woman as VP nominee, leaves me gobsmacked. I would have thought that they would be furious at Mccain for picking such an insipid, vapid (and so many other words) woman who would pose a serious threat to civilisation as we know it. The responsibility and blame for this saga should rest squarely on Mccain’s shoulders – not on SP, not on the media and not on the aides.

More importantly, I’ve desperately been trying to read the newsweek article but for some strange reason, newsweek website will not open for me. Would a kind soul please e-mail it to me at brummiegal@rocketmail.com? And get me out of my misery?

6 11 2008
SC Strike Chipper Sista M Hussein ProAmerican Goodwill Shopper

I have not heard about all of the transition information being on the web, but will look around. I did get an email of thanks for my support and my vote–and even knowing that it was machine generated and many millions of those went out, it was kind of touching.

6 11 2008
248 Crayons

This is what I found at the WashingPost site:

Stay tuned later today for the launch of http://www.change.gov, the transition Web site.

6 11 2008
From England aka Spoon Archer Hussein Palin

re. newsweek article, that would be a copy and paste – not a link?
Thanks

6 11 2008
248 Crayons

Oops I should have tried it first – it asks for a password. Try it later today and see if they let the guard down:)

6 11 2008
Sirenoftitan

Just posted this on the previous thread

“In one joke doing the rounds, the Republican presidential candidate has been asking friends: what is the difference between Sarah Palin and a pitbull? The friendly canine eventually lets go, is the McCain punchline.”

Guardian Political Blog

6 11 2008
MizKay

Just wanted to make sure everyone noticed that SC and Georgia are PINK on the Electoral Vote map! Those two states ended up ‘WEAK Republican’ instead of strong Republican. I am interested to see our final turn-out percentage, because many of our polls still had people waiting in line to vote for a couple of hours after the polls closed at 7. Yesterday in SC only 94% of the votes had been counted. Obama is currently within 10 points of McCain – a SC ‘landslide’!

6 11 2008
A Brit Abroad GO BLUE Hussein

Hi from Sweden… everyone here is pretty thrilled (the ones that have paid any attention that is). Same here – if anyone gets hold of the Newsweek article and can e-mail it to: swedishclare at glocalnet dot net, I’ll send you some virtual pickled herring in return – or something.

I spent yesterday asleep and had a shocking headache for the few hours I was conscious. I think it was election overload. Feel fine today though – up and raring to keep following Palin’s Alaskan adventures…

6 11 2008
megacephalus

“nailin’ pailin” as below [November 06, 2008 7:09 am] is up under
Gail Collins letters on New York Times site!

“Thanks be to Hillary for honing BHO’s debate skills… which were almost non-existent, and giving the US lots of face time to get used to him!

“And three cheers for Maine, and not only for Sue Collins but also for Chellie Pingree, former ExDir Common Cause, who now goes to the House!

“As to “nailin’ palin” consider a visit to the great AK activist site called ‘mudflats’ and found on wordpress. Consider a contribution to AKMuckrraker’s continued effort to clean up AK politics… and keep SP as far from politics as possible!”

— megacephalus, berlin, germany 🙂

6 11 2008
megacephalus

by way of explaining the above… I posted this previously — so please forgive the repost…

The “nailin’ palin” Challenge:

“Today the ‘curmudgeon’ sent US$ 25.- through PayPal
[see the ‘click to contribute’ button on the upper right].

“Hope is that we can start a “nailin’ palin” fund in the care of our trusty [trustee] AKM!

“[Suggested possible future option: a 501c3, or PAC on the side, as several have promised funding for impeachment or similar actions… all of which cost $$$ ]

“Who else is ‘on board’ for this?

“FAR better memorial to ‘YES WE DID’ than US$ 600,- for a copy of NYT!”

6 11 2008
KAMERUN SCOOP

Oh yes He did !

Go Obama go. Sarah Palin, please, go away !

http://allainjulesblog.blogspot.com/

6 11 2008
Bobg

I think that this voter turnout told the Republican Party (my party until next week) in no uncertain terms that they are tired of being lied to, they are tired of the President trampling on the Constitution, they are tired of the religious right inserting their views into the policies of America, they are tired of the tax policy favoring a few, they are tired of our country torturing people and denying them basic human rights, they are tired of our war-like foreign policy and they are tired of an administration setting themselves up as a ruling class. Maybe I’m being unreasonable, but I expect much, much better out of the Obama administration but I expect much, much more of the American people. We have so many problems that have to be addressed that it will take years before progress can be made; maybe even a generation.

6 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

Good Morning Puppies!!

Hi Jamie! I sent you an email yesterday giving you all my details… hope your computer problems resolve themselves soon. Just hearing on Today show all about the Newsweek article apparently SWWNBN is in hiding in Wasilla today

6 11 2008
Enchanted and Healing

G’Morning fellows muddies! I’m just now catching up on last night’s discussions. I crashed and burned early in the evening- ugh!

With Palin back in Alaska, methinks AKM will need our persuasive front in the coming weeks. While the queen bee (short for biatch) was out looking for a better nest, information started rising into the daylight and the daring rogues started thinking for themselves. It should be interesting to watch the fallout in the next few months. Alaska, hold her accountable for every stinkin’ thing she’s robbed from you! Just reimbursement for family travel alone could provide heat this winter for many!

Totally OT, I found an article on HuffPo about Jeff Merkley winning the Oregon seat! Yesterday I was under the impression that he had been defeated. Oh happy day for SignKid and Teachkids! Our Mudflat community rocks!

6 11 2008
Bobg

There is a sign in front of a chiropractor’s office in my area, “It’s a shame that stupidity isn’t painful.” To paraphrase, “It’s a shame that a stupid vote for a bad candidate won’t cause severe pain.”

6 11 2008
Melissa

Just watched a bit of Morning Joe on MSNBC and Chuck Todd says that Stevens will resigns his seat and that Gov. Palin will run in the special election and will become the junior Senator from Alaska. *groan*

6 11 2008
Bobg

Melissa (03:46:00) : Please tell me that this is some horrible joke. You’re kidding right? I can’t stand any more of that woman. She is so sick that, if the people of Alaska vote her into the Senate, she will think that they are demanding that she become President.

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Thanks 248 Crayons for the link. It didn’t occur to me that it may not yet be up! Duh!

Hi Tired Mom. Will e-mail back today. Simon was still on vacation and wouldn’t let me type on my computer while he was sitting and studying at my table. But at least he was working! Will write today, tho still having problems with my computer.

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Go Bobg Future Democrat! Welcome to the party – and welcome to the Party.

Hey Brit Abroad in lovely, probably snowy, Sweden. We both had to stay awake all of Thursday night to follow the election from beginning to end to beautiful speech – in time to start the morning coffee! I too was blitzed all yesterday, groggy and with headache, but all the same I was feeling magnificent! Just had to run over to give my American friend a big hug!

I saw a short clip on tv of SP being interviewed and tho she thought she was being very gracious (we are all Americans and I am ready to work hard with the New President to bring about change, blah blah blah) she actually said something sticky (Of course I am disappointed in the results and wish it had turned out differently…) How UNgracious and selfish.

I saw the article which talked about the real clothing bill and the infighting on the front page of nytimes.com

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Sorry – she said something STINKY not sticky

My son just asked me if I was high on something cause I’m so excited and I said “Yeah, high on the election results!”

6 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

I finally made a donation to AKM …. it felt great! I am so happy to be able to help keep this blogsite up and rolling along … it has been such a wonderful place for so many on so many different levels. Thanks again AKM for all you do, you are one of my heroes! YES WE CAN! YES WE DID! and YES WE WILL!

6 11 2008
responsiblecitizen08

I think Sarah Palin best embodies the saying in “Forrest Gump” – “Stupid is as stupid does.” I think she could go on “So You Think You’re Smarter than a Fifth Grader” and lose.

6 11 2008
NY Dem

2 new ‘gates’ (to go along with the other 50 or 100 ‘gates’:

Africa-Gate (she didn’t know it was a ‘continent’)

Lost Clothes-Gate (How do you ‘lose’ $200,000 worth of clothes)

If I had the computer expertise, I would like to list all the ‘gates’ and scroll them on the screen with the Star Wars theme playing in the background —

“A long time ago, in a state far, far away……………….

6 11 2008
NY Dem

2 new ‘gates’ (to go along with the other 50 or 100 ‘gates’:

Africa-Gate (she didn’t know it was a ‘continent’)

Lost Clothes-Gate (How do you ‘lose’ $200,000 worth of clothes)

If I had the computer expertise, I would like to list all the ‘gates’ and scroll them on the screen with the Star Wars theme playing in the background —

“A long time ago, in a state far, far away……………….

6 11 2008
Twinky Winky Pony Palin

Oh dear. I’m a bit behind the pace, but I just watched the complete Grant Park speech on youtube. Only heard grabs beforehand.

Brilliant. I wept tears of joy.

He totally gets it.

6 11 2008
Kittitians for Obama

Palin Didn’t Know Africa Is A Continent, Says Fox News Reporter…

Listen to lame, rascist “Bill” defend her..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

6 11 2008
JK Copper Catfish Hussein RefusetobePalin

I agree BobG, the very notion of SP as a Senator is cringe-inducingly awful. But… as someone on another site mentioned recently, there’s a chance she might not win even if she ran.

Given that she would be the most junior senator in a Democrat-controlled Senate, the majority of whom know her as ignorant, venal, and having run a hate-mongering campaign against the new, and very popular, President, how much pork could she realistically hope to get for Alaska? Even those Alaskans who seem to vote mostly for pork might feel they have a better chance of getting it with a Democrat.

Or maybe I’m assuming too much intelligence on their part… after all they seem to have no problem voting for convicted felons…

6 11 2008
Chin Trout Hussein (NJ)

I hadn’t allowed myself to think past the actual election. I was afraid to be overly hopeful of an Obama win because the disappointment was too much. The thought of a McCain win was unbearable. So it all became reality yesterday. Yesterday was surreal. I worked all day but did get to listen to bits of national and international news. I actually sat in my car during lunch so I could listen to NPR — the interviews w/ regular “joes” (ha, sorry couldn’t resist) whose world just became a better place because of the hope Obama inspires was very touching. The immensity of this election hit me– I had supported Obama early on in his candidacy– had read his books and thought he was someone who could make a positive difference in the world– and now the world has been blessed.

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

I don’t know . . . Alaska might be better off by sending SP off to D.C. to play in the big league – then they could vote for a decent governor; I think SP will run for Ted’s seat, if she loses that one, she can run against Lisa and if she loses that one (since Lisa supported Ted and Ted has a big following), she can run against Don Young for Congress. I think she will be spending a lot of time in these races and won’t run for gov again.

6 11 2008
Chris

Just found this on dKos – clip from fair and balanced Carl Cameron about McCain/Palin infighting

6 11 2008
megacephalus

‘The “nailin’ palin” Challenge’

Anybody else there for helping launch ‘The “nailin’ palin” Challenge’, and sending Mudflats US$ 25.- through PayPal ?
[see the ‘click to contribute’ button on the upper right].

Hope that we can start a “nailin’ palin” fund in the care of our trusty [trustee] AKM!

Suggested possible future option: a 501c3, or PAC on the side, as several have promised funding and lots are discussing ‘what can we do now?’…

6 11 2008
Pat

CNN TOOL FOR THE FASCISTS!
Why did I think, that this historic election would change any thing in CORPORATE WORLD?
All they can talk about is palin’s chances for 2012 this morning! ANd how the repig party can revive itself!

Fox news ( gossip revealed from inside the campign,) proved that she is not only mentally challenged but morally reprehensible: YET in their eyes she’s still considered leader material????
I’ve written 4 e-mails to CNN in the last hour. Then turned them off.

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Wow! I just watched that HufPo clip with Carl Cameron talking with BillO’R about all the nastyness and ignorance http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

and I do say wow> but ou knew that the shit would hit the fan – you just didn’t think tha t it would happen so fast.

6 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Good Morning (and it soooo is) AKM and Mudpuppies,

Got a question. Was watching Rachel Maddow (on tape) while reading the post on Sarah coming back and all that means.

Rachel mentioned that Palin could resign and then the Lt. Gov. could appoint her to the maybe empty Senate seat sort of occupied by Stevens. That’s, of course, if he wins and they toss him out.

I don’t remember that in the posting, but I am just waking up.

I called my son in Harlen right after the election was called. He liveds on the 5th floor and you could hear the celebration on the streets.

Wonderful!

Oh yeah, Rachel did a great job on Martha Stewart.

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

Newfoundland Dogs Rule

“Rachel mentioned that Palin could resign and then the Lt. Gov. could appoint her to the maybe empty Senate seat sort of occupied by Stevens. That’s, of course, if he wins and they toss him out.”

Alaska law does not provide for an appt by the Gov for a vacant US Senate seat – the gov MUST hold a special election within 60-90 days; if she wants to run for Ted’s seat in the special election, she will have to resign as Gov and run in the special election.

6 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Whoops. I forgot the question in my post. Is that correct that she could resign and Lt Gov appoint her.

6 11 2008
scottish-mud-fan

Jamie, Floridian in France (02:01:44) :

Sorry scottish mud fan – didn’t see you way up there. Are you really in Scotland?

Yes I really am! And Scottish too. I did the same as many people here, went internet trawling the day SP was nominated and have been here ever since, not speaking much but absorbing lots.

I stayed up all night for the results (the bliss of being self-employed). First of all I couldn’t leave while I still had a sinking feeling, then once it was pretty sure I had to wait for the President-elect announcement, and then of course no point in going to sleep until I had heard the speech. So that was 5.30 am…

It was such fun though (once I knew it was going to be OK) and I spent the night with the telly on, laptop on my lap, MSNing with my son in Edinburgh, flicking from mudflats to 538, swapping URLs with son and chatting away. A 26 year-old, by the way, from another country, totally transfixed for weeks and very knowledgeable about your election. Ah the beauty of the Internet. And kudos to the US – you certainly know how to do an election.

I really enjoy your posts, by the way.

6 11 2008
Stanley Krute

@ Pat (04:52:05) :

> then turned them off

That’s the key. If they broadcast something useful,
you can turn them on for a moment, or just get it
off the ‘net

— stan

tv-free since 2003

6 11 2008
Newfoundland Dogs Rule

Thanks Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

I’ve written Rachel. She’s our down the street neighbor here in the wilds of MA. She was home for two nights and left Sunday. She slept and wouldn’t talk about politics.

Her dog is not chubby.

6 11 2008
Susan in PA

Megacephalus, I am taking you up on your Nailin’ Palin Challenge – $25.00 to AKM it is!

Oh, Pennsylvania is such a lovely shade of BLUE. . . . .

6 11 2008
antsy

Can you imagine SP in the senate sitting next to Grandpa McSame everyday? Pay back for both of them.

AC on CNN is less than excited about the Democrat win. He donates to the Repubs and said last night of the line waiting to get a NY Times copy that he’d thrown his out. What a jerk he’s turned out to be.

6 11 2008
Scotsgirl

Hi Scottish mud fan- a fellow Scot here, ex pat from Glasgow now in Houston, Tx. Despite being unable to vote- yet! I too followed addictively once SP was announced. So happy Obama finally and thoroughly won the election.
Where are you in Scotland?

6 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

OT: Two Posts Back
I really got my hackles up two posts ago as everyone was talking prop 8.
I really FLUFFING wish people would ask the millions of “me” the reality of being raised by a same sex couple. You know, there is a whole wave of people my age, like me, raised by same sex couples. We are “normal” people too.
As I said, I am very tired of watching my mom freely hated on. It is acceptable to insult gay and lesbian people as less than. Even the gay and lesbian turn their fluffing noses at transgendered issues and people.
I think it takes MORE GUTS to love a person for the sake of the emotion they arouse in you than because they have the “appropriate package in their pants”.
To hear people say marriage is a sacred act that should be between …..BULLSHIT!!! Marriage is just another fluffing form of state sanctioned discrimination. An Entitlement only “certain people” can belong to.
No offense, but you can keep your marriage and stuff it. Until the day my mother is allowed the opportunity to be just as FLUFFING MISERABLE as 53% of all hetro couples…I will not participate.
Look at the person you love tonight as you drift off to sleep. If you are married, wonder what it would be like to wake tomorrow and find that for some bullshit reason your marriage is null and void. Your eyes aren’t the same color, your IQ is different, or any other stupid reason that would take your entitlement and all the comforts that go with it.
I think marriage in itself is a crock. I don’t need a paper to tell me who I love. More fail than succeed. I think it is too easy to get married and too hard to get out of a bad marriage. I think it is archaic, but then it is also something we use to drive us farther apart.
I see bullshit like prop 8 and just get pissed off.
More division.
I will always no matter what, defend the woman who brought me into this world. No one will ever tell me she is wrong, sick, an aberration or any of the other thoughtless insensitive things people have said to me.
I can’t help thinking about “They came for me”
If they come for your marriage, I won’t ever do a thing to stop them. Cold isn’t it?

6 11 2008
scottish-mud-fan

The Scottish Borders, not too far away from – shhhh – England.

6 11 2008
the problem child
6 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

@Melissa (03:46:00) :

Just watched a bit of Morning Joe on MSNBC and Chuck Todd says that Stevens will resigns his seat and that Gov. Palin will run in the special election and will become the junior Senator from Alaska. *groan*

————————-

If Sarah Palin somehow ends up in the Senate, the one silver lining is that it will be highly entertaining to see what kind of reception she gets from John McCain, not to mention many other Repub Senators…

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

antsy (05:24:29) :

Can you imagine SP in the senate sitting next to Grandpa McSame everyday? Pay back for both of them.

I love that idea! I’d also like to see how far SP would get trying to push around Ted Kennedy, Arlen Spector, et al. who know where the bear ***** in the woods – might be a good lesson for her.

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Whabs, Seattle, WA. (05:29:16) :

I agree with you! I was ashamed when I learned that my state of Fla passed the Marriage Protection Act! I kept asking “protect marriage from what?” My dear, smart sister is married to a man – which is state sanctioned – and what a hate-filled horrible marriage and I know how her kids suffer from the ill feelings and nasty words that are swimming through the house. My sister-in-laws’ marriages as well were like this and worse! Are these protecting the sanctity of marriage only because they are between men and women? I know both friends and relatives who are in very long-term, happy, healthy relationships with someone of the same sex and some are parents and others would make great parents if they so chose. I say, we live in the 21st century and if a couple is made up of two loving consenting adults, let it go! The strong roots of a great society are happy people, happy couples, happy families. Period!

@scottish-mud-fan:

thanks for the complement! All of my experience of Scotland is through Ian Rankin novels.

6 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

Hi, AKM – you’ve worked long and hard these past few months and must be completely exhuasted. Thanks for all you’ve done for us.

A heads-up: the addy for the DC event is misspelled: change the “s” to a “d” –😉

6 11 2008
A Brit Abroad GO BLUE Hussein

Hey Whabs – I hear you!!! Your mum is a lucky woman to have you… and for you to have her. What you write here:

Look at the person you love tonight as you drift off to sleep. If you are married, wonder what it would be like to wake tomorrow and find that for some bullshit reason your marriage is null and void. Your eyes aren’t the same color, your IQ is different, or any other stupid reason that would take your entitlement and all the comforts that go with it.

is fantastic and I hope it makes people stop and think.

6 11 2008
antsy

A likely scenario if the GOP had won:

QUESTIONER: How many continents are there?
PALIN: Ummm, y’know, all of ’em!
McCAIN: Ask the next secretary of labor — Joe the Plumber! Is Joe here
today?!?

It’s going to be fun watching the Republicans tear each other apart during
the next couple years.

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Just read the HufPo article about Palin returning to AK – she was met at the airport by “dozens of supporters”. Only dozens? Is that the number of Alaskans who still support her? Is it this dozen of supporters who will elect her to fill Stevens senate seat or re-elect her to a second term as Gov? Or is it her following for her new branch of the Republican Party? Hmmm.

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

Jamie . . .

I think the dozens are her supporters from her new, soon to be formed, party.

6 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

I’m sorry, but this is something I am passionate about. It was topic last night when I went to sleep and then again when I re read this morning. I went to Alternet after mudflats and read a story about the man behind prop 8 and couldn’t even watch the video of him spewing hate. My rage just took over.
My mother was part of a group in the 70’s called Lesbian Mother’s National Defense Fund. They helped women at a time they were being stripped of custody for being gay.
My family fought this fight.
About 5 years ago, three women contacted my family and were doing a documentary for school about this topic and that time. We didn’t want to participate because it was such a hard time. They talked us into it and the film premiered at the Seattle International Film Festival, went to California and New York. It is now sold through Frameline and used in schools for diversity courses.
I’m really sorry I raged at everyone, but I am 44 and have known since 1st grade that mom is gay. I have had my ass kicked for it, been told I could not play with other children, been accosted on the street because my mom “looks gay”.
It is frustrating to see Obama usher in something beautiful and needed while we are still OK with kicking a queer to the ground or tying them to a fence and beating them to death.
Good thing I have to go to work.

6 11 2008
the problem child

Oooh, Jamie. I love Ian Rankin, too.

And Whabs, one of the things about marriage, is that it not just a piece of paper. It is a legally significant piece of paper that brings with it all kinds of rights and responsibilities that any couple should be able to benefit from. In my province, for instance, common law “widows” don’t have the same rights to benefit from the estate as regular widows. On the plus side, anyone can get married to the person of his or her choice in Canada. And get divorced, too. So we continue to discriminate against unmarried couples, but at least we don’t differentiate between gay and straight couples. It’s a start…

6 11 2008
Scotsgirl

Scottish mud fan – never mind about being close to England – I married one but claim it was just to weaken their bloodlines!

Whabs- well said!

6 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

Common Law vs regular?
WTF?
One is “better”?

LOVE IS LOVE!

Divided we stand.
I heart equality!

Have a good day muddies!

6 11 2008
rachel

everyone should check out that old Palin as president joke website, if you haven’t lately…. http://www.palinaspresident.us

6 11 2008
Proud Community OrganizerWA

Morning Mudpuppies!

I am still recovering from Tuesday. I feel like I have climbed a mountain! LOL

Whabs Seattle, I agree it seems this is the next barrier in our country that needs to start a strong grassroots base and march on Washington DC! I am ready.

I am very tired of people imposing their fear and religious beliefs on all of us. How it would infringe on their marriage is beyond me.

I am so sad for many of my friends today that are gay and lesbian.

6 11 2008
Dazzler

The mud just keeps pouring out about Sarah. Is she and her family trapsing around Wasilla in their designer duds and Gucci shoes today? Unreal. Apparently she wasn’t well liked by the McCain camp after they bought into this pig in a poke…..besides another 20,000 to 35,000 dollars in clothes for the ‘first Dude’ and 20 -40 grand for kid’s stuff the staff was furious when Palin had to buy 17 suitcases to carry it all home with……donations my *ss….that stuff all went home with her and the Wasilla ‘hillbillies’…..

6 11 2008
the problem child

Whabs, I hope you didn’t misunderstand me. In my view, neither common law (let’s call it “non-paper” or “regular” (let’s call it “paper”) is better from a moral judgment point of view. But legally, there is a difference. Some of us are working to change that.

6 11 2008
Dazzler

I might add…she’s been a liar…start to finish…

6 11 2008
Freakout in Kansas

I’m reposting this from the last thread:

https://secure.defenders.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=wagc_graywolf

You can send the wolves directly to Sarah’s home at:

Sarah Palin
1140 W Parks Hwy
Wasilla AK 99654
(907) 373-3113
_____________________________________________

Steph aka Beans Harpoon Hussein-Palin (01:55:40)

I agree, Steph, Obama getting 41% in Kansas is a HUGE victory! I’m just really disappointed that we couldn’t get Boyda re-elected.

6 11 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

My son called from Teotitlan de valle in Oaxaca Mexico yesterday having voted early he has been down there for a week visiting friends. They had a spontainous party in the streets when Obama won, Lots of little american flags, it was still going when he called. NAFTA has devistated the regular folk in Mexico just like it has here, which is why we see people flooding across the boarder, when you can’t afford to feed your kids you will try anything. Small business has been decimated there while walmart having figured out you can bribe almost any covernment official there to put the thumb screws to your competition is thriving.
Regular Mexicans are wanting a re negotiation of nafta which is currently skewed to give multinationals all the breaks while making it next to impossible for small businesses to export.
They are talking about about Sarah on TV oh heavens, they think they want to do a Palin family reality show, the comment of the host after the the segment was “I am speechless” I know how he feels.🙂

6 11 2008
Scotsgirl

Great article/blog on Shannyn Moore’s blog about the ‘stolen election in Alaska’
Worth a read

6 11 2008
The Messenger

I was thinking whether I would return to this new blog after the election. I have decided to stay, because it is very important to keep Palin out of the lower 48.

I desire this dolt to be thoroughly vetted to uncover all of her crimes against Alaska. People on this blog and others in Alaska are being counted on. Do not worry, because we will help you discover the truth about his nut job.

6 11 2008
BS

Why is it still “guns, gays, and god” with them? Why can’t they leave other people alone? Why can’t they shut up? Why does Sarah drop her pronouns at the beginning of her sentences? Why does it bug me? Why can’t I go back to sleep? Why can’t I stay off this site?

6 11 2008
Marty (VA) Mudstock DC Inaugural Party.. reply to mudstockdc@hotmail.com

hi mudpuppies..

cane in for a bit.. see what’s happening.. trying to get caught up on work.. !

Also note our email.. Akm typoed it..! 🙂

6 11 2008
LA voter 201 in CA.

@Whabs,
The week before the Election we got slamed with “YES” ads on TV plus I was getting several Robocalls daily. Whoever was running that ad campaign knew just where to hit to ramp up the fear of Gay Marriage. I had great hopes here in Ca. So many people that I never thought would vote NO did in my neighborhood…ie older, retired “R”‘s. SO many NO signs and very few YES signs all over town.
An appeal has already been filed so don’t give up hope. As our President Obama says….YES WE CAN

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

Freakout in Kansas

What do you mean send the wolves to Sarah???

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Common Law or regular? The question is choice – I was married in France and decided to have a civil ceremony at city hall and not a religious ceremony because my husband and I are not the same religion. I know that doesn’t matter today, but my personal belief. In France now you can get PACSed – Pacte Civil de Solidarite – whether you are straight or gay. The PACS gives couples all the basic rights of any couple as if they were traditionally married – insurance, inheritance, visitation, etc. Great! But the problem here is CHOICE! Why am I allowed to have the choice between a civil ceremony, civil and religious ceremonies (in France you must have a civil ceremony even if you are then married in a church, etc) or PACS and not my good friends Mike and Frank?

@the problem child (06:01:53) :

Oooh, Jamie. I love Ian Rankin, too. – Here’s a shout out to you!

6 11 2008
LA voter 201 in CA.

@Whabs,
PS….BIG article on the front page of our Sacramento paper this moning about the appeal.
Go to sacbee.com and you can read it.

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Hey Marty (VA), good to see you this lovely post-election day!

6 11 2008
upnorth minnesota

I know that Obama’s ground team has been sent to Georgia to help Martin win the run-off election against Saxby Chambliss (neither got 50%). Perhaps a detail could be sent up to help Alaskans if a special election is required?

hHh

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Nov 5 I went on google to try and find out if the Marriage Protection Act in Fla really passed and found this (snippets here):

“At issue is the wording of the amendment, which reads, “In as much as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized.”…….

Since Michigan voters approved a ”marriage protection” amendment in 2004, the state Supreme Court has struck down domestic partner benefits, including health insurance and pensions. A battle is also under way in Kentucky to eliminate domestic partner benefits for employees of state universities because of similar legislation.

”This amendment says that because marriage is between a man and a woman, nothing else counts,” said Derek Newton, campaign manager for Florida Red & Blue, the bipartisan organization running the SayNo2 campaign to defeat the amendment. “It could take away existing rights and benefits of Floridians.”

Is this true?

6 11 2008
Dazzler

Lucky Alaskans….you’ve got another slew of attorneys heading your way to sort out Guccigate…apparently the RNC wants an inventory of all the goodies the Palins charged up on their Neiman-Marcus spending sprees…

FOX news just released more juicy bits of the dysfunctional Sarah…throwing wild temper tantrums when she’d read daily accounts of herself in the morning papers….blaming her aides and throwing the papers around in a fit….

She was also put off when she approached McCain with a speech in hand to deliver before his concession speech…and was told NO, she wasn’t going to speak Election night…as is customary for VEEP candidates…apparently Ol’ Sarah has a real agenda of her own..

So is that Sarah’s real address in Alaska? I’ve thought throughout this campaign that I’d like to write her a letter and tell her why I would never vote for her..??

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I read the article in Sacbee and es that’s true – what about not only equal rights for all but anti-descrimination laws? Don’t those exist in CA or FLA?

6 11 2008
upnorth minnesota

Keep sending those positive vibes y’all! State of MN says gap is narrowing between Franken and Coleman: F: 41.98%, C: 41.99% Here’s the StarTrib article;
http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/34024274.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUX

6 11 2008
West Virginian

Do you Alaskans think Palin would win if she ran for Steven’s Senate seat?
We need to get some of this behind the scenes behavior of hers out in public.

17 suitcases??

6 11 2008
Ennealogic

I agree, the way the vote reportedly went in AK is out of whack with so many things. I asked, in an earlier thread, if anyone knows how the vote is counted in AK… what is the chain of possession for the actual ballots… what sort of machines are used in voting, and who gets to do the counting, and how transparent is that process?

If the vote has been massaged, we can’t just sit by and hope that it won’t happen again. We did that in 2000 and ended up with 4 more years of Bush and Co. in 2004. If your vote has been stolen, then we all have been robbed.

6 11 2008
Anonymous

I’m thinking about something soft like puppies this morning…

Malia and Sasha really have been wanting a dog, given that they (and the SS) have been over playing with Beth and JT’s. (I wonder if that’s a hint for a possible breed?)…

So, the chemistry (snicker) is already there, and it’s not just about the White House needing a pet…

6 11 2008
Jim, aka Pit Bull Hockey Puck

Rather than sending those wolves to Sarah, why can’t we just send Sarah to the wolves?

6 11 2008
DeMo

Dazzler (06:47:32) said:

So is that Sarah’s real address in Alaska? I’ve thought throughout this campaign that I’d like to write her a letter and tell her why I would never vote for her..??
_______________________________________________
The Palin home address is on Zabasearch.com. Choose the state, enter the name and voila.

6 11 2008
Freakout in Kansas

Hi Grammy

Much as I would like to send real wolves to Sarah’s doorstep, I meant the stuffed toy, snugly type. There was a movement a couple of threads ago to “adopt” a wolf in Sarah’s name so she would receive a plush toy, personalized certificate, photo and fact sheet. People were wondering where to send them.

Jay

6 11 2008
Freakout in Kansas

Yes, that is Sarah and Todd’s real address. If you’d like more proof, here it is:

http://www.matsugov.us/myproperty/detail.aspx?taxID=1054B01L003

Ain’t that there innernet wonderful?

6 11 2008
antsy

This article on 538 is very interesting about the Ted Stevens election. Looks like it is hardly a done deal. I wonder how many more Obama votes are yet to be counted in Alaska.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

Jay

I would love to send her a plush toy wolf! But then . . . she might use them for target practice! I am torn now . . .

6 11 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Pandora (my cat) is being a pain in the neck. She wishes you all to know she recieved a new blue reflective collar yesterday, she is thanking me by eraseing my typing.
My being me I will quote Bob Dylan “OH OH OH times they are a changing” I see it here, I see it at work and among my friends, even my neighbor Bob who you may remember for his Conservitive Christians for Obama group. Bob Now thinks the failure of prop 8 in California is horrible and tells me with much emotion that every one deserves to be happy. To say this is new would be an understatement, I about passed out from the vertigo caused by the rapid transition to an alternate universe. Wow. I read an article yesterday in the local paper which I wanted to link to but it doesn’t seem to have made their website. One of our local Washington republicans (those are the ones other republicans call sissy pants liberals) said he believed that Democrats have once again found direction, and a voice something they really haven’t had since Vietnam. Republicans he believes have now lost their direction, along with their credibility something they lost in the depression but regained after Vietnam, and mow seem to have misplaced due to Iraq and the need to bail out the banks.
I currently have 6 propositions on my desk subnitted in the last two weeks for various employee clubs that want to form and use space here. Every one of them is some kind of service club from equipment engineers who want to fix old computers for those who are unemployed and can’t afford a one to hunt for a job to a group that wants to take donations to help out our laid off workers with bills, and holiday presents. I intend to approve every one of these and if I can’t find room they can use, well there is always my office🙂
As for the cranky drpressed McCain supporters, I recommend we just work around them for the time being, like the cranky child sitting in the corner who doesn’t want to join the fun because things didn’t go their way. If we keep the movement going, they will join the fun eventually, I mean look at Bob, 10 years ago he told me I would go to hell for taking a mans job and he believed it. Now he supporting gay rights, I am here to tell you that after this announcement anything is possible. Lighten up on the cranky reps. listen to them spew hate with a straight face and then change the subject. They will come around when they are ready or they won’t but we now have four years to prove we have a plan and a better way, time to get moving.

6 11 2008
crystalwolf a.k.a. caligrl

Bring on the Popcorn….Barbie being thrown under the bus…NYT’s today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06mccain.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

6 11 2008
Freakout in Kansas

Grammy

Then maybe you better send her one of these too:

http://www.thinkrc.com/alany-tiger-shark-3ch-mini-helicopter-p-53.html

That way she can start teaching Trig how to shoot wolves from a helicoper immediately (and indoors!). Hey, do you think there might be a market for a bundled package like this? A Sarah-Palin-adopt-a-wolf-to-shoot-it-from-a-helicopter type deal?

6 11 2008
Freakout in Kansas

Grammy

I think you might be onto a huge marketing thing here…a sarah-palin-adopt-a-wolf-so-you-can-shoot-it-from-a-helicopter-alaskan-getaway…

6 11 2008
Freakout in Kansas

Oops…sorry for the double post! Thought the spam gods got me.

6 11 2008
Rose in PA

I needed to come here to calm myself down. Plus, I’m trying not to let ignorant people ruin the wonderful mood I’ve been in since Tuesday night.

But I just have to vent about my awful co-workers. Oddly enough they were pretty silent yesterday about the whole election…I gave them the benefit of the doubt, thinking maybe they were going to give Obama a chance now that he is the President Elect. Unfortunately, I was being to kind. We start off the morning meeting with one saying how scared she is and that things are going to get worse and we are in so much trouble now that Obama will be President…he doesn’t know what he’s doing. She’s tired of the media talking about the election, etc. My other ignorant co-worker chimes in by sharing all the great racist jokes her husband’s friends have been telling her. Both thought they were hilarious.

I felt like exploding but remained as calm as I possibly could and said that everyone has different opinions but there seem to be a lot of people who are excited and are completely confident in Obama’s leadership abilities. I also mentioned McCain’s gracious concession speech, reminding them of what he said. Of course neither of them bothered to listen to his speech.

Then I just had to ask what is we need to be scared of? The rest of the world seems incredibly happy. How can you not be touched by the celebrations that went on not only in this country, but around the world?

I was met with blank stares and was told we shouldn’t worry about the rest of the world…we need to worry about ourselves and that there’s plenty to fear about Obama.

Oh why do I bother?

(Sorry for the long winded and depressing post but I needed to vent.)

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

Rose in PA

I live in PA, too and know that your co-workers are not alone in their opinions. No one talked about it yesterday but many have “rebounded” today and it’s all negative around me, too. I think Obama’s actions are what will turn a lot of these people around; we can talk until we’re blue in the face but the opinions they have are ingrained and this is the way they’ve been taught to think by friends and relatives who think the same way. It is going to take time for change -and some people won’t come around no matter how good Obama is in the next four years. There isn’t anything you can do about them unfortunately. I bet once he takes office, we will see little signs of changes in people and that is going to be great!!

6 11 2008
A Brit Abroad GO BLUE Hussein

Rose – scroll up and read Debbie’s post… it might just make you feel better about your workmates. Who knows how much they could change their minds in ten years time? Big hug.

6 11 2008
A Brit Abroad GONE BLUE Hussein

Just realised I needed to change my name.🙂

6 11 2008
Deb

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

Have you all checked this out recently? It brought tears to my eyes.

6 11 2008
Rose in PA

Thanks, Grammy! That’s why I have to come here throughout the day – otherwise all of their negativity would drive me over the edge!

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

Freakout

Wow, a wolf killing getaway – FUN for the WHOLE family! I’m surprised someone didn’t think of this already!!

6 11 2008
ashkee Colorado

This is something we can still do despite the bad news in Minnesota.
Here is a link to the petition to censure Michele Bachman.

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=q5CZ9ny1SWBHZzWz2BfwWt%2FDabQ%2FtQfV

Anything we can do. Thanks a bunch. Pass it on.

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

Rose

I know EXACTLY how you feel about mudflats!!! I have read other blogs and comments sections on sites and almost all of them make me ill – the vulgar language and rascism, nasty comments and completely ignorant statements are too much for me. I am happy that all of us here have upbeat comments (for the most part) or if we do air grievances, we do it in a responsible way.

6 11 2008
JESinTX aka Grill Igloo Palin

@Whabs – My brother in upstate NY is gay and really is devastated by the passage of bans on gay marriage and adoption. As happy as he is about President-Elect Obama, he feels so marginalized and disrespected. As his sister, I share his sadness and anger but I’m trying to focus on the promise of a new day in America when all people will be respected and valued for who they are.

6 11 2008
Bobg

Note to President-Elect Obama:

As your first action as President I would suggest you create a new department to be called The Department Of Not Agitating the Electorate. This department could create a website where voters desiring information about non-person Sarah Palin could go for their fix of the day. This website could be the sole source for information and photos about and from Sarah Palin. The site could be self supporting by charging those clicking on the site a small fee; say $1. This would save the voting public from being constantly bombarded with the silly views, photos and speeches of Sarah Palin. I would also suggest that Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Britney Spears and Madonna be included on the website as I’m sure that the voters are nearing overload on these four.

Note:

The is no truth to the report that Sarah Palin attempted to keep the campaign plane that took her back to Alaska. There is also no truth to the report that Governor Palin is going to introduce a bill to officially change the name of Alaska the the State of Palin. The report that Sarah Plain is attempting to trademark the Alaska name is being investigated and she has stated that she reserves the right to collect royalties for the use of the Alaska name.

6 11 2008
More Light than Heat

I suggested to several people yesterday that they read Barack’s book Audacity of Hope as a means of calming their fears about him. I think those nasty Jeremiah Wright ads stirred up a lot of anxiety.

One woman I recommended it to is clearly a values voter (I suggested that we all are, to which she initially looked puzzled😉 ) but she also had said that he’s now going to be president for all of us and she just hoped he’d be safe. Her greatest fear was that of assassination.

The other had clearly been affected by the Wright controversy. As one who was raised in the UCC, I begain by relating how as I read the book I realized that Barack shared my values about family, education, etc. and how when I got to the part where he gives a shout out to Trinity, I had to laugh and go, “Well no wonder I’m so comfortable with him!” I then taked about how I’d sought out more information and watched the whole sermons and how different the impression was when put into context. I think she’s going to go read it.

One person at a time. That’s the responsibility we each have.

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I went on Florida Today on-line (being my hometown paper in Brevard County, and tho the county is extremely, deeply, painfully Red, Florida Today did endorse Obama) and after the announcement of the Obama win, they encouraged comments. Some were vicious and lie-filled. But there were so many from pro-Obamites who answered those comments calmy and with kind words, encouraging people to do away with the ignorance and suggesting they try and inform themselves with the truth. It is amazing that so many based their vote on fear and fear-fueled lies, and those that voted Obama are calm and kind and remain so throughout.

6 11 2008
crystalwolf a.k.a. caligrl

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-palin6-2008nov06,0,5597211.story
“The strain worsened, the aides said, after Palin was recorded talking to a Canadian comedian who pretended to be French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Campaign staffers said McCain’s top aides were blindsided by the call, which they said was approved by Palin foreign policy aide Steve Biegun.”

crunch,crunch….8)

6 11 2008
JESinTX aka Grill Igloo Palin

@ Grammy, Rose, et al RE: negativity – My mother in Rochester NY has experienced the same thing. She was quite depressed yesterday when even a disaffected Republican who says he voted for Obama because he couldn’t do McCain/Palin was quite vicious – “now it’s on the DEMS and THEY better get it right – WE don’t have any responsibilities and anyone who says otherwise is already making excuses for the Dems and Obama.” Blah, blah, blah.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Maybe this economic crisis and high gas prices (though not now for us in Houston) are blessings in disguise. I don’t mean for working poor and responsible people who have made good decisions and are really hurt but for those who make good livings but were lulled into a daze of overconsumption. The ME, NOW mentality hasn’t done us any favors.

In any event, I take great satisfaction in doing my part for the community, world, environment, family and I look forward to living under a President who shares MY values!

6 11 2008
A Brit Abroad GONE BLUE Hussein

Anyone else wondering what AKM was up to yesterday evening?

6 11 2008
upnorth minnesota

@Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin (07:11:32) : I loved your entire post. But this part rings especially true.
As for the cranky drpressed McCain supporters, I recommend we just work around them for the time being, like the cranky child sitting in the corner who doesn’t want to join the fun because things didn’t go their way. If we keep the movement going, they will join the fun eventually, I mean look at Bob, 10 years ago he told me I would go to hell for taking a mans job and he believed it. Now he supporting gay rights, I am here to tell you that after this announcement anything is possible. Lighten up on the cranky reps. listen to them spew hate with a straight face and then change the subject. They will come around when they are ready or they won’t but we now have four years to prove we have a plan and a better way, time to get moving.

And I would add this paragraph from an open letter from Michael Moore who says (regarding our attitude/behavior in victory) that we need to take our cue from Obama.

We really don’t have much time. There is big work to do. But this is the week for all of us to revel in this great moment. Be humble about it. Do not treat the Republicans in your life the way they have treated you the past eight years. Show them the grace and goodness that Barack Obama exuded throughout the campaign. Though called every name in the book, he refused to lower himself to the gutter and sling the mud back. Can we follow his example? I know, it will be hard.

here’s the whole letter:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=240

I mean this from the bottom of my heart. If we want snarkiness and hate and divisiveness to be over, we ourselves must be the change we seek. We must lead and encourage and change minds by our example. My God I love a man, OUR man, who walks his walk.

Just my two cents,
hHh

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@More Light than Heat (07:49:42) :

I recently read – and loved – The Audacity of Hope. I am now almost halfway through Dreams of My Father. You must read this one, too. It is a complement to the other. From Audacity I understood his approach to politics, how he uses his knowledge, asks questions, thinks through each question, every point and even the process of how to get from point 1 to point 2. I understood the learning process he went through to get to be a great politician and lawmaker. From Dreams I am learning how he became the man that became the politician. His life, his inner struggles, his growing to understand how people work, how communities work and how to make things, ideas and programs work, starting from the people and the community.

Both books are brilliant and I feel that I really understand who he is and what makes him tick.

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

More Light than Heat

One person at a time. That’s the responsibility we each have.

I like that, and it’s true!!

6 11 2008
0whole1

Actually — heh, heh — just had a thought: somebody oughta ask Our Sarah whether Australia is a continent or a country. Heh-heh.

I bet you could hear the cogs creakin’, and the squirrel skitterin’ around, trying to oil all the joints before her brain seized up.

And then a quick follow-up on whether she’s ever considered studying Australian because Vienna is quite pretty this time of year also, and it’d be nice to visit, donchaknow?

6 11 2008
VTJen

@ JESinTX aka Grill Igloo Palin (07:52:34) :
and
@ Grammy, Rose, et al RE: negativity
I agree with working on folks one at a time. My very republican brother has been a McCain fan for years. He did vote McCain, as I knew he would, but called me today to say congratulations for the Obama win. I told him “thank you” and said I will be there for him when he doesn’t feel represented. He then surprised me and said “I really liked Obama’s acceptance speech. I liked the fact that he admitted to the fact that he did not win everyone’s vote and that actually there were a lot of people out there that did not vote him. He agreed that we all need to work to bring America together and he appreciated that Obama would even listen to him.”

I think it is important to softly encourage disgruntled Americans that an Obama presidency will be much like his presidency with the Harvard Law Review where he truly worked with everyone involved, left-right and inbetween, foriegn-domestic, allies, and enemies.

Not only democrates free the hope, but many independents and republicans can sense the new direction we have chosen.

6 11 2008
Bobg

The towel incident is getting a big play on TV news today. Real class act Sarah!!!!

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

JESinTX aka Grill Igloo Palin

I can absolutely hear that man talking to your mom. And it’s almost impossible to argue w/ someone like that – I love the Michael Moore quote above but it’s going to be really hard to turn the other cheeck every time we are confronted w/ those opinions. I will practice and practice, though!!

6 11 2008
Rose in PA

upnorth, thanks for sharing the MM letter. That is the one thing I try to remind myself – Obama never resorts to mud slinging when being attacked. I also had watched an excerpt from an interview he did during the primary where he says his biggest pet peeve is cruelty. He has no patience for it. And I remember that being something he mentioned in his book. He is a shining example for all of us.

6 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Thanks, AKM, for posting the info about the various potential Mudstocks.

There are a bunch of posts at the forum about getting to DC for the Inauguration – so go check it out if you’re mulling it over!

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Did AKM go protest at the “Welcome Back Sarah” rally in Wasilla? I’m sure a new post is coming soon. They just said on MSNBC that “dozens” of people were there in support of Palin as she returned (doesn’t sound like too many) and these folks are already strongly pushing the 2012 idea.

Sorry to our friends in Wasilla who will now have this cross to bear for the next 4 years (or maybe just next 4 months if the campaign for Sarah dies down quickly when more “gates” are reported. – we can only hope).

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

JESinTX aka Grill Igloo Palin (07:52:34) :

The acceptance speech was awesome – I imagine, though, that a lot of people didn’t stay for it since their guy lost and you know the drill . . . they’d rather get angry & turn away than listen to something that doesn’t support their fears. It’s hard to change people by talking to them; actions as they always say, speak louder, etc.

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I always watch MSNBC – but yesterday I poked in at Fox. I’m really surprised to say that Fox treated the Palin-Newsweek story more scandalously than MSNBC – who seem to be less excited about it.

6 11 2008
the problem child

The smears continue. And continue to be just a bit hysterical — fourth trimester? Good grief.

“Barack Obama was elected president despite the fact he supports abortion into the fourth trimester. Either the 63 million people voting for him didn’t know about his radical record, which includes abandoning abortion survivors to die, didn’t care, or didn’t believe it.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/source-of-infanticide-sme_n_141753.html

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Yah – Obama won North Carolina!

6 11 2008
mvngfwd

Good Morning!!! Obama just officially won North Carolina!!!!!

6 11 2008
the problem child

Terrific news!

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Yay for NC – I mean. It was just on MSNBC.

Yah for Merkley, too.

6 11 2008
Nisperos

Silliness factor….

I found myself this morning singing the theme song from the GE Carousel of Progress which used to be in Tomorrowland in Disneyland:

(Making progress at every turn)

“There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Shining at the end of every day
There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
And tomorrow’s just a dream away

Man has a dream and that’s the start
He follows his dream with mind and heart
When it becomes a reality
It’s a dream come true for you and me

So there’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Shining at the end of every day
There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Just a dream away”

And, here’s a piece of the script from the animation in the carousel:

“[Father]

Every time is seems we’ve gone about as far as we can, there’s a new springtime of progress. Now our whole community goes to work…

There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow? Looks like tomorrow is already
here.

[Mother]

Everything you see in Progress City is possible today in any city. Even where you live…”

So, I think that John McCain was wrong at the Al Smith dinner:

It was OK for Mickey Mouse to register afterall…

And, “the big rat” is either NOT a Republican, or the Eisenhower Republicans are now all wearing blue (think Mickey Mouse in Fantasia). Tee hee!

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Y and H too close together. Too excited.

6 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Does anyone know if Missouri has been called for McCain? I’ve seen conflicting reports.

6 11 2008
Nisperos

Silliness factor….

I found myself this morning singing the theme song from the GE Carousel of Progress which used to be in Tomorrowland in Disneyland:

(Making progress at every turn)

“There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Shining at the end of every day
There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
And tomorrow’s just a dream away

Man has a dream and that’s the start
He follows his dream with mind and heart
When it becomes a reality
It’s a dream come true for you and me

So there’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Shining at the end of every day
There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Just a dream away”

And, here’s a piece of the script from the animation in the carousel:

“[Father]

Every time is seems we’ve gone about as far as we can, there’s a new springtime of progress. Now our whole community goes to work…

There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow? Looks like tomorrow is already
here.

[Mother]

Everything you see in Progress City is possible today in any city. Even where you live…”

So, I think that John McCain was wrong at the Al Smith dinner:

It was OK for Mickey Mouse to register afterall…

And, “the big rat” is either NOT a Republican, or the Eisenhower Republicans are now all wearing blue (think Mickey Mouse in Fantasia). Tee hee!

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Another thought — maybe AKM was helping with the Stevens vote count last night??

6 11 2008
upnorth minnesota

You are welcome Rose in PA. And thanks for your comments. I especially love your point that Obama abhors cruelty. And I do think snarkiness (esp. from the position of victory) counts as unnecessary cruelty. This hard fought and hard won election simply cannot have been achieved so we can go back to the same old squabbling and line-drawing.

This is not the same as saying we should lay down our vigilance. And I don’t think “turning the other cheek” is the only alternative to the attack mode. But let’s undertake our dealings with right-spirited action, truth-seeking, and the greater good, not self (or dem) elevation for its own sake (or for the satisfaction of it) or to make people “pay”.

Sadly, I had to turn off KO last night. After the heights we’d reached Tuesday night, I didn’t want to participate in the low road some of his commentary took.

I’m probably not in the majority here. That’s okay. Just my two cents.

hHh

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I haven’t heard MO declared yet. Daily Kos map still has it gray.

6 11 2008
More Light than Heat

@ Jamie
I started with Dreams of my Father. And I agree that they complement each other, but for people who are afraid of Barack because of their perception of his values, I think Audacity of Hope is the place to start. If they get through that, I have a whole other list for them to read … starting with John Dean’s Conservatives Without Conscience.😉 But, again, one step at a time.

6 11 2008
mvngfwd

Just got caught up on all the posts and now have to get back to all the “stuff” I have ignored for two months. I love that the Rep lawyer is coming to inventory and take back the clothes. Someone should be there to take pictures…anyone have a telephoto lens in AK?

Also glad to read I wasn’t the only one with an “election anxiety/euphoria headache” yesterday. It was soooo worth it.

Looking forward to all the posts to read when I return…..🙂

6 11 2008
Nisperos

Why is it giving me the double post message but my post doesn’t appear?

6 11 2008
Nisperos

Advance apologies if this is a double…

Silliness factor….

I found myself this morning singing the theme song from the GE Carousel of Progress which used to be in Tomorrowland in Disneyland:

(Making progress at every turn)

“There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Shining at the end of every day
There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
And tomorrow’s just a dream away

Man has a dream and that’s the start
He follows his dream with mind and heart
When it becomes a reality
It’s a dream come true for you and me

So there’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Shining at the end of every day
There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow
Just a dream away”

And, here’s a piece of the script from the animation in the carousel:

“[Father]

Every time is seems we’ve gone about as far as we can, there’s a new springtime of progress. Now our whole community goes to work…

There’s a great, big, beautiful tomorrow? Looks like tomorrow is already
here.

[Mother]

Everything you see in Progress City is possible today in any city. Even where you live…”

So, I think that John McCain was wrong at the Al Smith dinner:

It was OK for Mickey Mouse to register afterall…

And, “the big rat” is either NOT a Republican, or the Eisenhower Republicans are now all wearing blue (think Mickey Mouse in Fantasia). Tee hee!

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

mvngfwd – I think my headache is worse today. I’m trying to get back to my work, too. But it ain’t easy. Like having to re-learn how to walk or talk I’m afraid. Need a dose of the Obama campaign discipline.

6 11 2008
mvngfwd

bec- mine is still lingering too. It was the endorphin overload that did it for me but worth every minute of it. Maybe we should consider it our share of the huge “headache” our President has ahead of him. 😉

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Palin’s “Out of the Closet” store has certainly not “ceased and desisted” so far for stealing the AIDS organization’s name. Their Website is still up and running.

Too bad she isn’t getting any “parting gifts” from the Repugs. This beauty queen doesn’t get to “keep the wardrobe.” Maybe there is a Goodwill in Wasilla where she can shop?

6 11 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

new thread

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@More Light
🙂

6 11 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I also was wondering how fast they will be scraping the McCain-Palin off that airplane!

Forget the clothes expenditure – can you imagine the room service bills they racked up since August?! And the cost to fly home to vote?

Going to find the Excederin!

6 11 2008
upnorth minnesota

new thread

6 11 2008
Grammy a/k/a WE ARE BLUE PA

NEW THREAD!

6 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Nisperos (08:34:58) :

Why is it giving me the double post message but my post doesn’t appear?

Just be patient – it usuallu shows up after a minute or two.

6 11 2008
Lighthouse (CO)

Rose,

I am getting the same stuff from co-workers today that you are. Yesterday they fussed about their inheritance disappearing because of the estate tax under Obama. They also wanted to know why I wasn’t displaying more glee.

I pointed out that it would have been kind of rude of me to jump up and down when they had concerns. They wouldn’t have returned that favor if Obama had lost.

The truth is, that although I am thrilled by the victory, I was not only sleepy but also disappointed at their behavior.

Today I am even more disappointed because we are passing the racial jokes around. I am not amused.

Unfortunately, these people are not ready for the Audacity of Hope. They are not even ready to be kind to their neighbor, unless he looks, talks, and acts like they do.

I am sad.

6 11 2008
mickeymusing

If Stevens is elected and resigns, I predict that Palin will run for and win the Senate seat. She still has a pretty good approval rating in Alaska and her recent exoneration of herself through her personnel board has no doubt energized her supporters. The thing to remember is that at least for several years she and her ilk will be a very marginalized minority in the Senate (even more so in the house, where totally obnoxious Michele Bachmann was re-elected–yes, I’m not kidding), so the damage she can do will be contained. This is all going to be interesting because you have the established Repub powers clearly trying to destroy her and the blogosphere and rabid social conservatives trying to push her into the limelight (RedState.com started a new program called Operation Leper to destroy all those who would criticize Sarah Palin–seriously). They will eat each other alive, so I’m not overly worried even if she does manage to manipulate herself into a Senate seat. It would be really nice if Begich wins and all of this is moot, though.

6 11 2008
Rose in PA

Good point, upnorth. That’s why I wasn’t gloating yesterday. I didn’t feel the need too and still don’t. The American people have spoken and Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.

Lighthouse, I hear you about them not being ready for the Audacity of Hope. I get so frustrated hearing my one co-worker repeat time after time how nobody knows who Obama is. I’ve explained his background to her countless times and said there’s plenty of information out there but she always brushes is off and repeats we still don’t know who he is. She wants to believe the worst and has such a doom and gloom mentality – she’s more content believing all the crazy lies.

6 11 2008
JESinTX aka Grill Igloo Palin

@VTJen, Grammy and others

Your points concerning working one on one and doing our best to avoid being negative ourselves are points well taken. I work in a very small, very Republican but thankfully very friendly and respectful office here in Houston. A very close friend who definitely did not support Obama but mainly because he was concerned about the “liberal” Congress said Congratulations yesterday morning. We disagree on some things but share many common interests and always manage to find common ground. That’s how I have tried to carry the message. I also am avoiding the overly negative folks, of all stripes. I want to focus on hope and working together. As many of you have said, we are in this together.

6 11 2008
Lighthouse (CO)

JESinTX,

I appreciate your words very much. In my better moments, I remind myself that I do have a lot in common with these people, and I love them all.

On days like today, I think to myself, “how can you be so incredibly narrow-minded and bigoted? How can you not care about other human beings? Why do we all have to be the same to make you happy?”

As well as other, less charitable thoughts.

We do have to find a way to work together.

6 11 2008
JESinTX aka Grill Igloo Palin

Lighthouse,

I too often have the same questions. I have been reading a number of books these past few months trying to understand the conservative philosophy. Based on what I’ve learned in books like “The Big Sort” (very insightful) and “The Wrecking Crew” (very depressing), I don’t think I will EVER count myself among the conservatives or Republicans.

While I have always been socially liberal and fiscally conservative, I must say that the concept of conservatism that has risen in the past 40 years seems to bear no resemblance to what I think “conservative” used to mean.

In any event, I am a denominational mutt at this stage of my life and don’t consider myself to be religious but I DO live my life by “the Golden Rule”. I do my best to care for others and be respectful and avoid being too negative and snarky (and boy, that has been a struggle this year!!!).

Some people can’t be reached but so many can when we remember that we really are not so very different. We ALL care about children, family, country.

6 11 2008
antsy

Rose in PA — The day after the 2004 election, my sister-in-law who lives in PA “consoled” me by saying, “Someone’s gotta lose.” Then she went on and on about her boy, GW — knowing I was devastated by the Kerry loss. So far, I’ve steered clear from talking to her on the phone, and heard from another relative that she carried on all day long about poor John McCain. When I do finally speak to her — I will remind her that Someone has to lose — and then add the best person won.

6 11 2008
Lighthouse (CO)

JESinTX,

I’ll check into the books you referenced. I think you are right about the concept of ‘conservatism’ having changed. The most unfortunate thing is that I believe that this change (which I am also perceiving as negative) has been brought about to a great extent by the religious right, which has convinced Republicans to be value voters, and also convinced them that those who don’t share their values are wrong.

The thing is, of course, that these are the people who should be living their lives by the Golden Rule.

I do consider myself to be an evangelical Christian, but what I see from so many others is disrespect for others, negativity and snarkiness! Do they even remember the Golden Rule?

I don’t think we’ll reach many of these people in this generation. This is going to be ongoing project. And you are so right, we do ALL care about children, family and country, which is what makes the whole thing so asinine.

6 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

LAST!!!!

Hahaha! I always wanted to do that.

Thanks folks for letting me “blow” this morning. I get passionate about it in part because I don’t believe gay is a choice in MOST cases. I say most because I have an ex-husband and a Jerry Springer story that remains left alone in the dark for another thread.
No I did not take anything said the wrong way…I just get blinders on. Again, thanks for letting me vent. I just thought it was fair to mention I have been an activist since I was a young kid…full disclosure and all! I didn’t want it to seem like I was pulling a drive by plug for something else. I see other bloggers come by here announcing a GREAT story they just read. When you follow the link it is to their hit-less page. (Hit sharks!)

6 11 2008
Irish in FL

From England aka Spoon Archer Hussein Palin :…
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Newsweek e-mailed….I posted this here and on the latest thread….don’t know if you’re on any now or not….I was on this am and now it’s really late pm when I just got on again…..




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