Alaska Senate and House Races Bring Surprises.

5 11 2008

It’s been an amazing day in American politics. President Elect Obama has heard the voice of America, and it is demanding change. The future seems full of promise and possibility for the first time in a long time.

But back on the Last Frontier, we know it just wouldn’t be Alaska if things went smoothly, or predictably. Any day now, I expect new Alaskan license plates to be released saying “Alaska” on the top, and “You Can’t Make This Stuff Up” across the bottom.

Despite polling numbers that indicated comfortable leads for Senate candidate Mark Begich, and House candidate Ethan Berkowitz, both races are too close to call until the final absentee and early votes are counted. Yes, it seems that we now have a “Stevens Effect”, people who say they wouldn’t vote for a convicted felon to pollsters, but when they get behind the curtain, they just can’t seem to resist the temptation.

Mark Begich (D) vs. Ted Stevens (R-I)

At last count with 99% of precincts reporting Begich trailed Stevens by only 4000 votes, 46.5% to 48%. But don’t write off Begich just yet. There are tens of thousands of votes yet to be counted – almost 50,000 in all. Absentee ballots have yet to be tallied, and more are arriving daily. In addition, any early votes that happened between last Thursday and Election Eve, are still to be counted. What does all this mean? We won’t know the outcome of this race for two weeks.

If Stevens is elected, he will face expulsion by the Senate, Alaskans will have the dubious honor of being the only state to ever elect a convicted felon, and Stevens will face expulsion. It will require a 2/3 vote to remove him. Sarah Palin, who asked Stevens to step down so Alaskans could have a “real” choice would NOT be able to appoint anyone to fill the seat. I heard pundits last night speculating that Palin would appoint herself to the seat. That will not happen. The Alaska Supreme Court has already decided this issue and removed the right of a governor to appoint anyone to a senate seat. Period. That said, there is nothing to prevent Palin from entering herself as a candidate in the special election to fill that seat.

So, what happened?

There are as many theories and opinions as people. Here are a few.

  • Stevens is more like family than a mere politician. If he says he’s innocent, then he’s innocent. He was railroaded. He continues to have the support of Alaska’s other Senator Lisa Murkowski, and Congressman Don Young. The feds were just out to get him.
  • Some Alaskans, despite being presented with the facts, will never ever vote Democratic. Ever.
  • Stevens gained votes from the inflated Republican turnout that came out to vote for Palin.
  • If Stevens gets in and gets expelled by the senate, there’s another opportunity to get a different Republican in that seat and not create a potential Democratic dynasty. This was openly promoted by right wing talk radio before the election.
  • Some Alaska voters have voted for Stevens every election of their lives. They’re happy with what he’s done, so why stop now?
  • Alaskans are terrified of giving up seniority in the Senate. We’re ignored a lot, and we worry that if Ted isn’t there with his experience, his connections, and his doggedness, we’ll be up a creek.
  • Nobody “outside” (aka the Federal Government, the FBI and the IRS) is going to tell me who to vote for. (sticking out chin, crossing arms and feeling like and Alaskan “maverick”)

Ethan Berkowitz (D) vs. Don Young (R-I)

This race is not as tight as the Senate race. In a stunning outcome that flies in the face of all recent polls, Don Young looks like he will pull it off. The bombastic, bloviating incumbent has a comfortable lead over the favored newcomer, and is up by more than 17,000 votes. The same 50,000 ballots have yet to be counted for these candidates, but that’s a pretty big margin to make up for Berkowitz. So, as excruciating as it is, and despite the fact that Berkowitz has not conceded, we may be sending Don Young back for his 19th term as Alaska’s one and only member of the House of Representatives. I would like to extend my humble apologies to the United States Congress. Forgive us, for we know not what we do.

So what happened?

Look back up at the “So what happened?” section above and insert the name Don Young, every time you see the name Ted Stevens, and add the following:

  • Just because he’s spent $1.2 million in legal fees, doesn’t mean he’s done anything wrong. He hasn’t even been indicted yet!

Asked if he was surprised at the way the numbers were running, Young said, “Not me. … The pollsters were wrong and they’ve always been wrong. … They don’t understand Alaska.”

The Anchorage Daily News has some good coverage of the Stevens-Begich race and the Young-Berkowitz race.

There are many chapters yet to be written.

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5 11 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

Rosa sat so Martin could walk

Martin walked so Obama could run

Obama ran so our children could fly

Obama won. Now our country can heal.

5 11 2008
nswfm CA

I still can’t believe a convicted felon could be elected.

5 11 2008
nswfm CA

Nonetheless, thank you Mudflatters for all you did to get a win for Obama.

5 11 2008
Edie

You Can’t Make This Stuff Up

5 11 2008
rachelbirds

You’re right — you can’t make
this up and be believed — that’s
why we like your state.

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/november-5-2008-4/

5 11 2008
mvngfwd

Top 10? Sorry had to do it.😉

5 11 2008
Blue Idaho

I am happy to report that Idaho has a Blue congressmen. It’s a start.

http://www.theolympian.com/northwest/story/650859.html

5 11 2008
Lee

AKM: Keep the faith. Alaskans will eventually learn, and come over into the light.

You have the potential of helping this process along. During the election I donated to the cause, and neglicted you. Let me know where to send you a donation to help defray your costs.

I also send you my heartfelt thanks.

Thank you, Lee! Any amount is much appreciated. You can click the orange Donate button which is located on the sidebar up at the top! 🙂 AKM

5 11 2008
mvngfwd

Redwood- so beautiful indeed!

5 11 2008
yvonne from Pa

I don’t know why some Alaskans are so worried about Stevens getting relected,
Even if he does,No one in congress will pay any attention to him,and he will probably not be able to do anything for some of the money hungry people he counts on in Ak. Notice I said some,Not all!! lol
I hope no one leaves Mudflatters just because the elections over.I enjoy coming on here.

5 11 2008
Montana Born

I was so hoping that Montana & Alaska would go blue. It was very close though. When I went to bed Montana was still “too close to call.” I’m still rootin & praying for Begich. Thanks AKM for your good reporting.

PS. Love your avitar AKM. Any chances you will be making lapel pins out of yellow resin in the shape of the boots? I surely would wear one.

CafePress, the maker of Mudflats gear, doesn’t offer a lapel pin…. But there are buttons with the yellow boots and also t-shirts and other stuff. If you haven’t seen it, you can click the link on the sidebar. I’ll keep my eye out for lapel pin possibilities, though. You’re not the first to ask. AKM

5 11 2008
Lee

I Have to run, and do laundry. Be back later.

5 11 2008
futurexpat?

I am not surprised at this, but there’s some pretty tortured thinking going on up there. I hope it comes out in the end that he’s beaten, but it’s almost unbelievable that anyone would vote for a convicted felon. If he does go back to D.C., he will be spending all his time fighting the convictions. Alaska will have one Senator in attendance. More likely, he will be removed from the Senate, which means a new election. Please, Alaskans, don’t let it be Palin. She certainly has dreams and delusions about her future.

And Don Young? Yuck.

But Alaska’s still my favorite state.

5 11 2008
grumpy in Illinois

In politics stranger things have happened. In Washington DC in the 90’s, Marion Barry was mayor.He was the target of a high-profile 1990 arrest on drug charges, which precluded him from seeking reelection that year. After he was convicted of the charges, Barry served six months in prison, but was elected to the D.C. city council in 1992 and ultimately returned to the mayoralty in 1994, serving from 1995 to 1999. Today, Barry again serves on the city council, representing Ward 8, which comprises Anacostia, Congress Heights, Washington Highlands and other neighborhoods.( info from wikipedia)

5 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

Notice the home page where the BEST BLOGGER Icon is? There is a, “Make a Donation” button right below the blogger icon!

5 11 2008
mvngfwd

Is it me or does it seem Bush is happy about Obama winning? He seems relieved and willing to hand over the keys now.

5 11 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

Oh Great!! So there’s hope for Begich. I wouldn’t count on the majority of absentee votes going to him however. Fingers crossed!

5 11 2008
strangelet

strangelet (11:10:59) :

Wow. This finally makes up for my first election (1968). I never thought I would live long enough to see a “non-white” President. Now, if we can get some damn health care, I think I might live long enough to see a female Pres.

A couple random observations:

It was never in the cards to get 60 Senate seats, so let’s not bemoan that. Actually, while I’d like to see 57 or 58, stopping short of 60 means the Dems can fire Lieberman without too much second thoughts.

I do wish the House pickup had been a little better, mostly because of the historical likelihood that we’ll lose a few seats in the midterm election. On the other hand, there is now a decent working majority (and with a Dem President), and I personally expect people to stop sniping at Nancy Pelosi, as they discover just how good a politician she actually is when she’s got something to work with.

Congratulations to WA on your re-elected governor, and to MO and NC on your new ones.

We all should remember that, while this was a decent EV landslide, 56M people voted for McCain. I certainly didn’t like it when the Repos used their slim (or fictional) popular majority to shove a bunch of crap down our collective throat, but the correct response is not to reply in kind. Rather, I hope and trust that our restored majority will govern, not so much “from the center”, but with an eye towards building sustainable consensus.

Well, except for the real wingnut wackjobs.

Cheers, all.

Wow.

5 11 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

I’m amazed at how some Alaskans are hanging on so tightly to Uncle Teddy the convicted felon.

I would like to study their brains – there has to be some critical element missing IMHO!.

5 11 2008
AZ Mom

I was listening to NPR and they were talking about the special election that would result from Stevens being elected and that there’s a strong possiblity Gov. Palin would be sent in his place….is there a movement to nix that? Please?

5 11 2008
Ennealogic

AKM, the polls were just about right almost everywhere else. Is it possible the close vote in the Young and Stevens races has something to do with the way the vote is counted?

I’d be interested to hear how it’s done there. Impartial observers? Proprietary software?

5 11 2008
delphia2000

Re: Stevens & Young, I am embarrassed to be an Alaskan this morning with that kind of impossible to understand stupidity. I just want to shake people and ask them to take their heads out of their backsides! How effective can either of those two men be for us now? I’d completely understand if Congress wants to pull our statehood from us and make us a territory again.

5 11 2008
Steph aka Beans Harpoon Hussein-Palin

I will always have an affection for Ted Stevens for his whole, “The internet is a series of tubes” thing, though. I love calling the Internet “the Intertubes.”

But I still am shocked he is winning…and his arrogance and bravado about it…

5 11 2008
Betsy in the Midwest

WOW!! Please check out the articles on huffington post about her. There are some articles from Newsweek that quote McCain aides about the extent to which she lied about the clothes (she had people buy them for her and then claimed she didn’t know about it, she bought $20-40k of clothes for Todd, stuff is now “missing” rather than donated to charity). There’s more about how skanky she was, etc. I don’t know how to link but somebody should.

5 11 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

Hey Mudflatters…..AKM is throwing more new threads up!

AKM’s fingers are flying – Sarah the fiscal conservative now up!

5 11 2008
Sparky

AKM: this past year in America’s politics has been nothing short of tittlating, and Alaska is right up there at the top for excitement and drama. I will certainly “stay tuned.”

5 11 2008
White Agate

Ralph Nader was not so nice to Obama today on Fox. However he does have a point about the military-industrial complex. He got 500,000 votes, but made a really unnecessary ‘Uncle Tom’ comment to Shep Smith.

Agreed, mvngfwd (11:13:22), Bush seems relieved. Atlas handing over the globe like a hot potato. You really wonder what goes on.

There was an extensive article in Newsweek about what Palin should do to position herself for a future run for president. She in some ways would be more likely to do those things as a Senator, but except for this year, Senators are not usually successful presidential candidates, governors are. Okay by me, then, go for it, Gov.

Colbert/Stewart got all misty last night. Love those guys, may they have long careers.

Ted Stevens is his own force of nature, ain’t he? Tough old goat. You’d think he’d WANT to retire by now.

I am really interested to see the GOP and conservatives of various stripes ‘wander in the wilderness’ for a while and come up with some better ideas for good policy, rather than just getting elected.

5 11 2008
the problem child

New post😉

5 11 2008
MonaLisa(inCT)

@ mvngfwd: It’s not you, I thought so too!

I have a friend who is a lobbyist for the National Association of Realtors. Upon pain of cutting off my sushi-supply, he made me PROMISE not to tell anyone that he was going to vote for Obama!

5 11 2008
Hope

SO! Pork, greed and convicted felony have won in Alaska! WOW! Am I surprised? Maybe it’s experience and benevolence that have won! I mean… didn’t Alaska give me a bunch of money this year? Every year since 1982? Where’s my sense of gratitude? Of loyalty?

Well, you know, I don’t care how much that check is every year, it is not enough to buy my vote, or my brain. It is certainly not enough to buy my soul.

But that’s OK about the soul! Because Alaska has proven once again it can rape it any time it wants to.

Go, convicTED! Go, Don! Go S-s-ssar… just GO!

hope?

5 11 2008
strangelet

AKM — I love your new license plate idea.

I think you must be right about the “Felon Effect”. Particularly in Berkowitz’s case — wasn’t he high single digits ahead in the polls? That’s an enormous swing.

Your theories why seem to largely boil down to habit, thanks-for-all-the-pork, and can’t-vote-for-a-Dem. These are all understandable (I myself have never voted for a Republican, although I never had to vote for a felon in order to do so). And the “thanks” reason is very human (it’s not really fair to link it completely to pork — I’m sure both men have done a lot of small but useful favors for their constituents).

In Don’s case, the seniority issue is perhaps valid; but in Ted’s it is not so much. He is now firmly in the minority, and even if he persuades enough of his R colleagues to not vote him off the island until he runs out his appeal, I think it is a safe bet that he will not be accomplishing a lot “for AK”.

It’s too bad aboout Ethan, but I sure hope the absentees push Mark over the top — I fear that a special election would lead to an R (dog forbid).

5 11 2008
Mired...in the Pine Barrens aka Sap Needles Understory

Is anyone else getting an Error 404 on the Stevens-Begich link to the ADN? I’m sure it’s not that hard to find.

5 11 2008
AKDemWhoKnowsStuff

The probable reason for Begich’s failure to defeat a convicted felon is the fact that Alaska was never seriously in play for the presidential race after Sarah had been picked as McCain’s VP; and Democrats therefore stayed home once it became clear that Obama was to be our next President.

The Berkowitz failure has everything to do with the distaste many Alaskans have for this effete rich guy from San Francisco. Ethan’s campaign funding came from his California family connections and his Jewish cultural connections: he had no real local support.

Had Benson won the primary, we would have likely taken Young’s seat (Benson’s supporters were more rabid and would have shown up to vote) and we wouldn’t have had an Outsider acting as a drag on Mark Begich’s candidacy.

No arguments here for the most part, but I’m not sure Obama supporters stayed home. I was anticipating more that Republicans would stay home when it looked like McCain-Palin were out. I’m sure both applied to a degree. AKM

5 11 2008
LaNon

AK and other Alaskans:

Your hard work and honesty has started something that will not stop. The acts of saving your state are worth it, and the clock shall not be turned back.

Never give up.

5 11 2008
ED

Maybe voters just liked to feel they did something naughty. “Ha ha, I voted for the convicted felon even though the grownups told me not to.”
They are like a little kid who’s Mommy tells him it’s not nice to stick out his tongue, as soon as she turns her back, out comes the tongue.

5 11 2008
Jean (formerly) Recoil Zoo Palin Hussein

I think SP had her dose of national politics, realized just what HARD WORK it is(and soooo full of pitfalls for the under-prepared!), and is skittering back to your beautiful state (interview posted toward the end of yesterday’s thread) for the foreseeable future. But we Lower 48ers will continue to watch, fascinated, as all the rest unfolds. We are hooked!
GO BEGICH!!!

5 11 2008
megacephalus

“As Maine goes…” sortta’… Both the R Senators are women, basically honest [‘basically’ as they still are ‘R’], human. liberal and wonderful people. Living a long time in a small [population] state brings [as you AKers know] one in close contact…

And add in a wonderful old friend Chellie Pingree who has moved from developing ‘cottage-based [literally] industry’ for women in isolated island communities [CP lives on North Haven – year-round😉 ], and running COMMON CAUSE, back to DC, now in Congress!

Also amused to see my birth place in MA8, MA10… where R’s don’t even bother to run, plus BLUEST of BLUE MA4, MA6 and MA7… not to mention Rachel Maddow’s home: MA1

5 11 2008
Wired Differently

Not leaving the Mudflats, things are just starting to get interesting. But I did want to extend a deeply heartfelt THANKS to AKM for your integrity, your hard work, your unflagging good humor, your wonderful way with words, your courage to go undercover behind enemy lines, all that stuff.

And I’m still good for the recall filing fee. You know where to find me.

5 11 2008
megacephalus

forgot in above: and both women could be counted on to make up 2 cloture votes with the 54 D, Sanders VT and ‘Traitor Joe’ Lieberman CT.

5 11 2008
SlickSarahbarra

WOW, she is such a good states woman. Now that she is back in Alaska, maybe she could have a press conference about, troopergate, clothsgate, noweregate, housegate, triggate, toddgate, trackgate, waggate, tedgate, dongate, travelgate, and makenosencegate.

5 11 2008
LaNon

sp’s life in alaska will never be the same. the world has seen her as a con(N?)iving light weight.

5 11 2008
eajphd Wolves Run Free

Regarding Stevens and Young, it all comes back to the dictum that all politics is local. Years ago Torby MacDonald had the worst record for performance in the Congress yet he kept being reelected. One of my friends who was very active in politics did research on why people appeared to be voting against what was clearly in the public’s interest. He found that people would tell canvassers that they thought MacDonald’s opponent was better on all the issues, that he was their preferred candidate etc. Then they would reelect MacDonald. After a bit of in depth probing, he found people would vote for MacDonald because “he helped me with a VA problem”; “he got my nephew a job”; “he took care of a problem that I was having with social security”; etc. etc.

Of course MacDonald wasn’t doing these things personally, but he had staff who did and who made sure in a positive way that people knew the Congressman had helped them. After all the staff’s jobs depended on getting him elected too. So it only stands to reason that the Alaskan masters of pork would have a network of personal constituent service that people wouldn’t tell pollsters about, but which they would feel indebted to repay, particularly when things got rough – after all he helped me when I was down so I should help him. Besides “what harm did he do to Alaska?”

5 11 2008
LaNon

did the poll numbers close on begich prior to stevens’ win, or was the win a total surprise?

5 11 2008
Uncle Joe Mccarthy

i believe that according to senate rules, they cannot vote to expel stevens until he has exausted all of his appeals…that could take years…maybe his entire term

i believe that in the congressional race, alaska showed a sort of bradley effect

i dont believe that many of the christian right in alaska will vote for a jew…but they didnt want to say so to a pollster

5 11 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

Any chance these results are rigged in any way?

5 11 2008
pcvirginiabeach

So what happened? Stevens is the biggest piece of pork in congress, and alaskians are addicted to it. Hand outs are more important that ethics in Alaska, that is what happened.

Alaska just elected a convicted Felon as a US Senator… must suck to be you!

5 11 2008
mpb

re: Berkowitz I’m not sure that the desire to vote out Young could overcome the hesitation of “who are these guys”

* not enough publicity and it came much later than Begich’s efforts

* too many Bs in the race and on the ballot

* “Berkowitz” is too long given the size of banners and yard signs

* Because of the Bs and name length, should have had inverse color scheme to Begich for signs (or some other color scheme)

Can’t believe the Don Young race can be that close, yet again.

5 11 2008
Okinawan Nanook

Just got up–it’s 0730 in Okinawa–and ran to Mudflats for my morning take on what’s new in the beautiful Last Frontier, home of the odd. The uncontrollable shaking of my head from side to side makes it difficult to type. WOW, I cannot believe how Alaskans have cut off their noses to spite their faces. Did no one think about the possibility of a Democratic majority and that it would definitely be in their best interest to vote for Democrats to start building seniority in a friendly environment? Guess the answer to that is obvious.

Well, hope (by at least two votes for Begich/Berkowitz) awaits in those uncounted absentee ballots. I’ll cross my fingers for thousands more just like them!

5 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Looks as if someone in the Senate anticipated Ted’s re-election. A legislator requested the legal research on how to handle a senator who is convicted of a felony.

Read the result here

http://www.slate.com/id/2203504/entry/0/

Expulsion is not automatic…..

5 11 2008
Ripley in CT

wow. History made everywhere. A felon. Go figure.

5 11 2008
Franklin

Does the average Alaskan realize how foolish the rest of the country thinks his or her state is right now? Between these two and Sarah Palin, I would think the rest of the country might be willing to agree with the Alaska Independence Party.

5 11 2008
Martha Davidson Vancouver B.C. Canada

When Stevens was asked to resign his senate seat, at the same time he was promised if he did not, he would be investigated by the senate and then expelled. The senate does not have to wait for the courts, they have their own means. ( like a reverse AK. state board that did the last investigation of Palin) On top of that Stevens will accomplish nothing in the senate, he will get no “pork” for AK., and the rest of the senate will treat him as if he has the plague. This election has devastated ( more than 2004) the Republican Party, so they need Ted Stevens right now like another hole in their heads.

Therein lies the rub, as the saying goes. That gives Palin the opportunity to run for his seat.
The way Alaskans voted this time, that looks promising for her.

As Rachel Maddow says ” please talk me down” Say it ain’t so Mudflats, say it ain’t so.

5 11 2008
Ripley in CT

Oh yeah, and if I ever move to California, I can’t get married anymore.

Welcome to Connecticut, all you weary travelers and your Sig Ots.

5 11 2008
lifesrants

I can see it now..

Stevens wins, but is unseated. The Repubs them chose Senator Palin, gets her experience and she runs in 2012 as a 3rd party.

5 11 2008
Jake

Jesus Christ.
Do Alaskans in Alaska know how embarrasing it is for Alaskans like me in the Lower 48? A felon in office. I am so pissed off I’m almost ashamed at being an Alaskan.

5 11 2008
James

I have the respect for Sarah Palin from what I saw of her during the campaign. (I voted for Obama). Yes she is new to politics. I was somewhat impressed with her, gaffs and all. I didn’t like the negative aspects of the republician campaign. Was it her idea ? I am not so sure. My biggest concern I how Alaskans can vote a felon to the Senate. I understand you are the frontier state but this not the wild west anymore. Is Alaksa not ready to be a state yet in the United States?

5 11 2008
Diane

What I find very very curious is that Alaska is I think, the only state where the pre election polls did NOT coincide with the outcome of the election.

I think that is significant. I also wonder why no one is questioning why that last 2 elections did not correspond to pre and post election polling. We were told the polling was wrong. But it had never been that wrong before and now it’s right again?

5 11 2008
Melissa

I just hope that those absentee ballots show Stevens the door. I don’t think that Alaska will get much if Stevens comes back anyways, despite those who voted for him may think.

If you elect Palin to the Senate, she may be able to get things done. And good on her.

There are still people who think that Palin would just appoint herself to the seat.

5 11 2008
Mine Guy

AK does not have what it takes, AK failed. AK will get what comes next after electing crooks and liars. We deserve Palin.

5 11 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

What method does Alaska use to vote? Paper ballots? Is there a paper trail?

5 11 2008
pcvirginiabeach

It is not over yet. There are still a lot of absentee ballots left, adn those are military. Military voters broke heavily against the Felon- SHOCKER. Thank god there is someone keeping you folks straight. With any luck, you all will come out of this without the egg on your faces…

5 11 2008
Pacificnwgal

What I find interesting is that if there is even a HINT of misconduct or a felony or just a little teacher/principal scuffle, a teacher would be let go or put on leave immediately. NCLB has made it very difficult on teachers. They have the public trust just like legislators. Yet, a convicted felon like Ted can keep their job indefinitely and hold the fates of so many more people in their hands. When are people going to wake up? Much of the rest of the country did last night, but not Alaska apparently. However, the poll numbers were looking good for the closing the margin for the Dems, so I think there is hope yet. I just hope that the legislature continues to investigate Palin and Stevens until all avenues are exhausted.

5 11 2008
InJuneau

@Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca (15:15:33) :

We use optical scans (Accuvote I think), so we fill in little ovals with black pen, just like we did on all those tests we used to take in school, and then put it into the optical scanning machine. So, yes, there is a paper trail, and they will run the ballots through the machines again if we have to have a recount.

5 11 2008
pearl89

NC has finally been called for OBAMA….YES!

I keep shaking my head over the possibility of AK sending a convicted felon to the Senate and a Congressman who has been indicted back to DC. Guess those bums will do anything to get out of the AK winters.

Maybe, Alaskans want Harry Reid and the Sentate to do their dirty work for them. That way they can keep telling Uncle Ted how much they love and respect him while taking no responsibility for his ouster from the Senate.

Wonder how long before Young is indicted? Then SPalin could take the senate seat and TPalin the house seat. Now that’a a scenario that could give one nightmares.

5 11 2008
katiebegood

You didn’t mention the possibility of a stolen election. How do you vote up there? Who has control over the voting system?

It just doesn’t make sense that there could be such a big gap between the polls and the results.

5 11 2008
katiebegood

InJuneau (15:53:44) :

@Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca (15:15:33) :

We use optical scans (Accuvote I think), so we fill in little ovals with black pen, just like we did on all those tests we used to take in school, and then put it into the optical scanning machine. So, yes, there is a paper trail, and they will run the ballots through the machines again if we have to have a recount.

The problem with that is if the optical scan machines have been hacked, it will spit out the same result. It sounds to me that a hand count may be what is needed.

5 11 2008
katiebegood

Ripley in CT (13:58:28) :

Oh yeah, and if I ever move to California, I can’t get married anymore.

Welcome to Connecticut, all you weary travelers and your Sig Ots.

I heard something interesting on the radio today. Some people think this election in California may be a blessing in disguise. Since this amendment overturned the right for gays to marry, rather than prohibiting them from marrying, this is going to go to the courts pretty quickly. Hopefully the courts will find that this is not a country that discriminates against anyone.

5 11 2008
InJuneau

I’m not sure Accuvote machines can be hacked, but I think our Accuvote machines are reliable in any case. “We” really are twisted enough to reelect a felon (at least some of us…). I’m sure if they felt the need to handcount they would.

5 11 2008
Crazy In Alaska

Oh my gosh! I am so mad! I was looking at the results on line. And if people had not voted for the AI and the I candidate Begich would be in the lead. I know people are allowed to exercise their right to vote, but it’s not like those people were going to get in and obviously someone new was wanted so why not vote for someone who might win?!

5 11 2008
kas (from Oregon)

OK Oregon Mudfans — I have created a yahoo account so we can have our own mudfest

oregonmudfest@yahoo.com

Let’s meet sometime in the near future – celebrate our victory – talk about the cabinent and wish each other a happy – healthy holiday season.

I will repost on a couple of threads…

5 11 2008
LibertyLover

I don’t know when Palin will go home from AZ. Last I heard she was still here. Please take her home, we don’t have any moose to shoot.

5 11 2008
wired differently

Kas– Will you be in Portland? Can I come? (from Seattle)

5 11 2008
Bev

So, a little “sugar” on top of the full banquet served up last night:
http://tinyurl.com/6fcel9

5 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

OT—okay…it’s pretty clear I don’t like SWWNBN, but I thought it might take a little longer for this stuff to start to come out.

Enjoy, mudpuppies!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

5 11 2008
Marnie

I know it’s hard on Alaskan’s pride to have Palin and Stevens kicked around so much in the national press.
However all states have big AHs who get power and use bribes, candy, and threats to maintain and gain more power.

As to Palin, she is so much like Bush in so many unethical, amoral, brain dead ways. The Repocons loosed Bush on Texas, the Us and the World. Alaska has an opportunity to make sure that Palin never gains an ounce more state or national power and or influence.

Now’s the time to stop her.

5 11 2008
Marnie

I think I figured out one of Palin’s problems. Both her SNL performances were comic bombs. She seems unable to use humor to get out of ticklish situations in interviews. And seems unable, in her interviews to approach a question she hasn’t handled well from a different angle. There is a lack of mental nimbleness there, just regurgitation of memorized talking points. The jokes in her campaign were probable written by someone else.

Most every day smiles and laughs come when something unusual occurs, or some one (yourself mostly) goofs, or two things or words come together in a novel way. Our brains pick up on the novelty, turn the situations around and examine them at a new angle, see the irony, or recognize the novelty, discover something new in the ordinary, relate it to something completely different and pull the differences together with some newly discovered common thread, or simply make the choice of seeing a situation as humorous; and we’ll laugh, or smile, pass a comment and go on, having treated ourselves to a sip of endorphins and a mental game well played.

Humor releases happy making chemicals in the brain so does the physical act of smiling.

Palin seems to have no sense of humor, meaning, in the above sense, that her mind is not examining, seeking for a new perspective, seeking novelty, reassessing reality. Translate: she doesn’t think, she is not thoughtful. She cannot find a link from A to D by way of M and N. For her it must only be ABCD.

She may be a quick study. But that’s not thinking,

6 11 2008
VoiceofReason

The potential re-election of Senator Stevens is easy to understand. The commentators above who simply label Senator Stevens as a “convicted felon” make it sound as if he is a child rapist or murderer. Not to belittle his conviction, but as I understand federal law in this case, he was convicted of not reporting a legal gift – he was not charged with nor convicted of receiving illegal gifts or bribes. While it is a more serious crime, what Senator Stevens did is akin to fudging on your income tax return – and who among us can claim to have never fudged their federal income tax return – which is a federal offense. For all those Alaskans who are embarrased for electing a “convicted felon”, take heart that there are some of us in the lower 49 that understand.

6 11 2008
InJuneau

@Crazy In Alaska (16:33:29) :

The likelihood that the people who voted for the AIP and I party candidates would have voted for Begich if their candidates hadn’t been on the ballot is extremely remote, so I don’t think you can blame the current status of the race on them. The supporters of those parties are not likely to see a D candidate as a viable option for whom to vote.




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