Take Back Your Vote.

2 11 2008

The big day is approaching.  Here’s a video worth watching about a very important ongoing project called Video the Vote.  There isn’t anyone reading this that doesn’t understand how the instantaneous sharing of information in the form of stories and images has transformed this political race. 

Everyone who goes to vote, and has the technology to do it, should document their experience.  Long lines? Vote flipping on touchscreen machines?  People being turned away because of missing registration information?  People leaving the line in frustration?  You can help to record what is going on, so that we have the evidence necessary to push for real election reform.

I’ve never had a problem at my polling place, and I don’t anticipate it this year.  But I’m taking a video camera anyway.

Video the Vote is a national initiative to protect voting rights by monitoring the electoral process. We organize citizen journalists—ordinary folks like you and me—to document election problems as they occur. And then we distribute their footage to the mainstream media and online to make sure the full story of Election Day 2008 gets told.

There’s another great video at videothevote.org .  I can’t embed it, but it’s worth watching.  You can also upload your video on the site where it becomes available for distribution.

Remember, if you have already voted, you can visit your usual polling place, or any others in your area where you anticipate problems.  So charge up those batteries and get ready for Tuesday.


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2 11 2008
Dr. Patois

Is everyone off phoning for Obama? Hope so!

2 11 2008
Sandy in Wisconsin

I plan on being first in line at our Town Hall. Luckily, we are out in a farming community where the longest the line will probably get is 30-35 long. I can not wait to cast my vote!!!

GO OBAMA GO!!!!!!!!!!!

2 11 2008
Hyla

Great idea! Thanks, I will be taking my digital camera with me, which has the option to record!

~Hyla, from
http://greenearthjourney.blogspot.com/

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

Yes! I’m watching him and phoning at the same time! (and alternating reading between HufPo, RealclearPolitics, pollster. com and Mudflats, of course).

2 11 2008
Texdude

Saw the human Obama emblem on Kos! Great job! Absolutely loved the whole video, including the music! Merci beaucoup.

2 11 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Gosh! I thought I’d be further down as I was eating dinner!

2 11 2008
JaneDoe

Remember to light & display your BLUE candles tonight and tomorrow. Or tie a BLUE ribbon arond that old oak tree too.

2 11 2008
katiebegood

The problem with documenting the vote flipping in the machines is that many precincts are not allowing people to do it. I read where a woman was trying to take a picture of her vote (which had flipped) with her cell phone and an election worker took it away from her before she could take the picture. If that were me, I would have called the police and had the poll worker arrested for battery.

2 11 2008
Bea

I sure hope people in the front of the line with time to spare will look out for anyone about to leave b/c they are out of time and offer to switch places!

2 11 2008
Libbs

Someone in the Senate has a spine…

http://www.rollcall.com/news/29690-1.html

2 11 2008
enjay AKA Turbine Yukon

Morning – Early Afternoon Mudpuppies —

Vote – Vote – Vote

The candidates have worked hard the last 2 yrs to get to this point in the election. Now — it is up to US to get out there & vote

2 11 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

Newsflash!

Sarah Palin has announced that she will be donating her brain to research at the conclusion of the presidential campaign rather than run for president in 2012. Palin says she is as curious as all other Americans to find out from the brain researchers how it is she was able to become Governor of Alaksa and Republican nominee for Vice-President without being able to form a complete sentence.

2 11 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Reposting this from the tail of the old thread:

Interesting take on Sen. ConvicTED’s welcome back to the Senate. http://www.rollcall.com/news/29690-1.html

2 11 2008
Siege (GA)

I voted early in Atlanta a while back and was happily listening to Biden rally speech on POTUS XM (with Obama coming up) with my headphones on when a poll worker told everyone in line OUTSIDE that all electronic equipment including cell phones must be turned off because it might interfere with electronic equipment INSIDE polling place. She made it clear that thie rule would be enforced by law enforcement if necessary. Interesting. I waited two hours to vote and had no problems of any kind.

2 11 2008
epic

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace

This BTW is, if I’m reading it right, why active National Guard units can’t be commanded by State Executives. It creates a State army.

Sorry. to pull this up here but with a new thread up I had to if I wanted it read.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Listening to Obama, it’s easy to draw out the opposites with Mcgrumpy/Barbie.

This is why we’re gonna win. He talks about hope, people, and what is coming in his change. He discusses about the future, and his story. He tells what he’s going to do. I don’t think he ever says fight, drill, mine, or hatred.

McGrumpy opens and closes his speeches, about how bad obama is, from start to finish, it’s obama is bad, obama will raise taxes, obama will cause starvation, obama will cause child birth defects, obama will take your stuff, and obama will make us all sick and die.

Obama rallies have people of all shapes, sizes and colors. They cheer.. Look excited and are HAPPY.

McGrumpy rallies are white, ugly racist, cranky, unhappy people. They don’t appeal to the public. they appeal to the same idiots that evolved from hate.. They’re decendents of grandfathers of the KKK, they come from people who will tell you to your face they’d never vote for a black man, only BECAUSE he’s a black man. They won’t vote for him, for reasons that basically are irrelevant.. They don’t need a reason. they just won’t.

Obama is talking.. He’s just easy to listen to, he makes his points, he talks about tax cuts that will go to the rich, it makes sense.. We can see what needs to be done. A great new line.. “You’ve never seen Dick Chaney delighted before”..!

Obama stands tall and is commanding. Mcgrumpy is the old man you avoid making eye contact with. Obama has a viable VP option in Joey B. Mcgrumpy has Barbie Dumbo. Obama looks and acts presidential. Mcgrumpy stands hunched over with his arms out and his thumbs up. His combover looks absurd, like people won’t notice he’s bald. His stepford wife is just plain creepy. This is the woman who replaced his first wife who was injured in a car accident, before he was even divorced. Obama has a woman of confidence standing by him. His kids are cute and adorable and appear amazingly normal, which is tough to manage in a political campaign. McGrumpy’s Barbie Dumbo has children handy as props and shields.

The list goes on and on.

The choice is clear and it’s been clear a long time. The time for change is coming, and many who used to talk red are realizing it. Blue is about change.

It’s only a few days now. It seems it’s lasted a lifetime. Maybe in some ways it has been a lifetime. I was a kid when JFK was in office. Obama is going to inspire like Kennedy did and that has been a lifetime ago.

It’s time.

2 11 2008
Proud Community OrganizerWA

We vote by mail here but I hope everyone does get out and video the vote! I saw the other video a week ago and I am appalled at the dirty tricks that are employed!

Won’t be able to deep breath until Nov. 5th.

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

OT – here’s some encouragement!

http://home.att.net/~hideaway_today/t130/frog.htm

2 11 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

Dr. Patois (10:32:53) :

Is everyone off phoning for Obama? Hope so!
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Catching up on work on Sunday )and Mudflats) so I can call in sick on Tuesday and work the polls for 16 hours. We got the votes in Nevada to put Obama over top, and our Early Voting Push has been a big success nearly 2-to-1 for Obama. But, voter suppression and irregularities on voting day is still a concern. So, I told the Obama campaign I was going to volunteer as a poll worker and they were super-excited. So many of our Nevada canvassers have been coming from out-of-state (mostly CA but I’ve met people all the way from ALASKA canvassing here in Las Vegas!) and are not eligible to vote in Nevada nor volunteer as poll workers. So, we need as many volunteer poll workers as possible. I imagine the same is true in other battleground states.

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

OT

Here’s some encouragement

http://home.att.net/~hideaway_today/t130/frog.htm

2 11 2008
lynn hussein hussein (MA)

Friends and I are planning to go Obama caroling on Tuesday night. No one will be sleeping anyway, so why not roam the countryside singing about Our Guy?!

Any song suggestions are welcome–looking for well-known songs with lyrics that have already been Obamanized + popular songs that might lend themselves to a lighthearted Obama treatment. Here’s a sample preview:

We have Overcome
Hit the Road, Mac
Michelle, ma belle
Solid as Barack
O Come all Ye Faithful

Thanks!

2 11 2008
testerm

Thanks for the video.

Check in with this site each day for updates.http://www.bradblog.com/

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

Big Al from Las Vegas (10:47:36) :

Newsflash!

Sarah Palin has announced that she will be donating her brain to research at the conclusion of the presidential campaign rather than run for president in 2012. Palin says she is as curious as all other Americans to find out from the brain researchers how it is she was able to become Governor of Alaksa and Republican nominee for Vice-President without being able to form a complete sentence.

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Good one, Big Al!

A new Palin quote:

“And we talk a lot about, OK, we’re confident that we’re going to win on Tuesday, so from there, the first 100 days, how are we going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars?”

Does she think we’re in a war in Iran?

2 11 2008
upnorthMN aka hose Hussein hotrod

Libbs— I’ve never been to the Roll Call site you linked to. I found it very informative but I couldn’t find an “about” page. Is it partisan? biparitsan? a watchdog group? Can you give me some info? Thanks.
hHh

2 11 2008
testerm

Stevens will get the boot!

http://www.americablog.com/

2 11 2008
Libbs

upnorthMN-

I found it through a Huffington Post link. I’ll do some digging to see if I can find any more info, though.

Seige(GA)- I voted in GA a couple of weeks ago, too. We were told to turn off our phones in line as well. There were big signs telling us to do so. Not everyone did (we were in line for three hours!) but no one said anything. Not sure what was up with that. I can’t imagine the response someone might get if they showed up with a video camera. My guess is that it would not be good.

2 11 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

If Obama wins . . .
Halloween-day rally for John McCain in Columbus, Ohio, ANP asked McCain supporters a simple question: If Barack Obama is elected president, what will it say about America?
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2696

Ok these people are BEYOND STUPID!!

2 11 2008
Libbs

Check this out: http://www.rollcall.com/about/

Looks to be a bipartisan news source covering Washington politics since 1955.

2 11 2008
katiebegood

Libbs (11:02:03) :
Seige(GA)- I voted in GA a couple of weeks ago, too. We were told to turn off our phones in line as well. There were big signs telling us to do so. Not everyone did (we were in line for three hours!) but no one said anything. Not sure what was up with that. I can’t imagine the response someone might get if they showed up with a video camera. My guess is that it would not be good.

If someone told me I couldn’t have my phone on or take a picture with it in the polling place, I would ask them to show me any law that says I can’t have a phone in a polling place.

I’m sure there is no such law. It’s the same with polling workers telling you that you can’t wear an Obama T-shirt in the polling place. There are zero laws saying you can’t wear a political T-shirt in a polling place.

2 11 2008
Libbs

katiebegood- I’ll have to do some checking on GA laws. We were also told that there could be NO political messages (hats, signs, shirts….) within 150 feet of the polling place.

I do know that people in other states have been subject to the same “rules”.

I have no idea if there is actually a law behind it though…hmmmm….

2 11 2008
Halcrow

Fear of a Palin Presidency Drives US Expats to Vote for Obama

The economy, taxes and America’s image are hot-button issues for US expats in Germany. But even Republicans are now going Democrat for a far more compelling reason: Fear that Sarah Palin could become president.

From Germany

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3756020,00.html

2 11 2008
Visitor

I’ve worked at the polls (in Alaska). It’s busiest before work and after work. In the middle of the day, it’s very slow.

I wish employers would make special exceptions and allow people to leave during work to go vote.

Is there any reason why we don’t vote on weekends? Anyone know?

2 11 2008
WV Democrat

@ epic (10:50:33) :

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace

This BTW is, if I’m reading it right, why active National Guard units can’t be commanded by State Executives. It creates a State army.

Sorry. to pull this up here but with a new thread up I had to if I wanted it read.
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That is all well and good but Bush just signed one allowing the President to impose martial law on any state or territory, using federal troops and/or the state’s own, or other states’, National Guard troops. Don’t suppose this will be what happens on Election Day? I have a few friends that say that this will allow Bush to remain in charge if Obama wins. They say he will do so because of the financial crisis or manufacture a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. I would hate to think that they are correct. Scary, though, ‘eh?

2 11 2008
SouthPaw

@lynn hussein hussein (MA) (10:55:34) :
Friends and I are planning to go Obama caroling on Tuesday night. No one will be sleeping anyway, so why not roam the countryside singing about Our Guy?!

And while your out caroling…get out your BLUE candles (good idea from a previous post)

Speaking of BLUE Mudpuppies!

…just had a brilliant idea! Why don’t we ALL put (a) BLUE CANDLES(s) in our window(s). Or a blue ribbon on a tree or front door. From tonight until November 5th.
Spread the word. Post this on every website & blog you can think of and email your friends to do the same.
Blue lights in windows accross the USA & world for Obama.
What a beautiful thought!

2 11 2008
NY Dem

So, while I’m behind the closed curtain, and I flip all the levers for the people I am voting for, and I take a picture with my cell phone to document my choices, and then I pull the main lever and exit the booth, who is going to know that I took a picture ?

Or that I even HAVE a cell phone with me ?

Are they going to frisk everybody before they go into the booth and confiscate their cell phones ?

I don’t think so.

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

I just got home from canvassing in my neighborhood in Northern Virginia. Most of the people I spoke to have already voted for Obama. Including one of Biden’s secret service agents!

I voted over a week ago with no problems at all, though there is one quirky thing about the electronic voting in VA. After you make your choices and it brings you to the confirmation screen, it does not show Obama’s name, it just indicates that you have selected the Democratic nominee for President. I’m not sure why that is, other than that it might be a reflection of our system, in that we are technically choosing electors, not choosing the President directly.

I’m not worried about it, but I did hear some nervous chatter about it among other volunteers at my canvassing headquarters.

2 11 2008
fullbodytransplant

One more time, since it is the most important factor to me…

Obama for the Arts:

http://fullbodytransplant.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/obama-for-the-arts/

Now we must get the votes to make it come true. We can do this.

Yes we can.

2 11 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Visitor (11:13:26) :
Is there any reason why we don’t vote on weekends? Anyone know?
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Probably has to do with sabbath breaking concerns. Jewish and Seventh Day Adventist sabbath is Saturday (probably others). And Sunday would be just sooooo wrong — how could you ask people to pick between going to church and voting?😉
I do think, though, that Election Day should be an official day off for everyone.

2 11 2008
Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

Signed up to work the local polling place as a (as they are called in Arizona) Democratic “political observer”. I was going to work the polls themselves but with the attitude of the local (very clickish) pollworkers and the county officials, I decided an observer might be more effective for our side (if necessary).

2 11 2008
epic

WV Democrat (11:14:10) :

Was simply trying to make the point that Palin is constitutionally barred from claiming military expertise (as was pretended by the GOPs) by reason of her position as CinC of Alaska’s National Guard.

Wasn’t trying to warn of impending doom.

2 11 2008
Ember

Georgia is one of the states that explicitly prohibits photography inside polling places. Section 21-2-413(e) of the Georgia Code states:

No elector shall use photographic or other electronic monitoring or recording devices or cellular telephones while such elector is within the enclosed space in a polling place.

This prohibition applies to the entire polling place, not just the voting booth. Therefore, Georgia voters should not attempt to use a video camera, still camera, or other recording device anywhere inside a polling place.

Florida also prohibits photography. Section 102.031(5) prohibits “photography . . . in the polling room.” The “polling room” means “the actual room in which ballots are cast on election day and during early voting.” Fla. Stat. § 97.021(26). While the law does not expressly mention video, it is a good bet that a court would interpret the statute to prohibit video inside the polling room as well. In light of this statute, you should not attempt to use a camera or recording equipment inside the polling room in Florida. If lines gather inside the polling place building but outside the polling room itself, or if poll workers check in voters outside the polling room, then you may be able to use a camera in these locations, but caution is advised.

Those are just the two I’m aware of (I live in NE Florida). There are likely a few other states where yes, there are actual laws on the books prohibiting photography. If there is a sign up stating that it is illegal, at least find out if you are violating a law before you begin taking pictures. I’d hate to see someone end up losing a camera – or worse, in jail – on what should be a day of hope and change across America.

2 11 2008
epic

But the return of Posse Comitatus should be, I agree, right up at the top of the list.

2 11 2008
WV Democrat

@ epic (11:23:58) :

Was simply trying to make the point that Palin is constitutionally barred from claiming military expertise (as was pretended by the GOPs) by reason of her position as CinC of Alaska’s National Guard.

Wasn’t trying to warn of impending doom.

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Okey dokey!

2 11 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

I’ll have to watch this later–and catch up later, too….

Off to the Obama phonebanks in Durham, NC.

Making NC blue one call or knock at a time.

Hope Mudpuppies in Chicago enjoy their get-together!

Bye for now!

2 11 2008
epic

Been watching Dixie Chick videos all afternoon. ‘Not ready to make nice!’
really chokes me up.

Three brave girls.

2 11 2008
Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

katiebegood (11:05:16) :
There are zero laws saying you can’t wear a political T-shirt in a polling place.
T-shirts are in Arizona. I just finished poll worker training here (Thursday) and this was reiterated two or three times. Quoted A.R.S Title 16.(Arizona Revised Statutes) We were told to tell them to cover the shirt (button, etc.), leave, or be subject to trespass laws.

2 11 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird (10:51:18) :
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Thank you. Very well said.

2 11 2008
dsr

i’m in kansas and we have the paper vote you mark and then put in the machine to count it. i think that is better because we have a paper trail.
i can see why some of these machines are flipping to the republican with your finger. the names are to close and you need to make sure that it says what you mean for it to say, before you turn it in. i hope the republicans don’t mess things up like 2000.
i still can’t think of palin ever being president!!!
go obama/biden

2 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

HaaaHaaHaa – those old repubs trying to find out if being half white, half black as per Obama and Tiger Woods means anything sinister, now have another one to deal with. Lewis Hamilton (UK), half black, half white has just won the world championship formula one.

2 11 2008
RLS

This was probably posted before, but a Palin effigy is stuffed with explosives and blown up in the English town of Battle.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/02/palin.effigy.burn/index.html

2 11 2008
FilterSkateP

Those videos were great!

I’m volunteering to observe at the polls on Tuesday to help prevent any voter fraud. Now I think I’ll bring my video camera too!

2 11 2008
JaneDoe

Just rec’d this email: FYI any Orange County Mudpuppies who haven’t voted yet…like moi.

“If you did not vote early and are voting on Tuesday, the Orange County Registrar of Voters has made a great effort to prepare for you, http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ocregistrar2-2008nov02,0,7958729.story. “The registrar’s office has trained 350 roving supervisors with walkie-talkies and radios who will be dispatched to polling places through a call system. Ten rapid-deployment squads that. will be stationed in vans throughout the county within a five-mile radius of every polling site, boasting a response time of six minutes or less. To make sure no polling places run out of ballots, Orange County is providing 800,000 extra paper ballots, a 3,100% increase from the 2006 election.”

Pay no attention to random flyers or phone calls. In other states, there have been robo calls telling people they can vote by phone, that Democrats vote on one day and Republicans another, mysterious flyers and a lot of other ridiculousness. Read through the Brennan Center for Justice for the voter suppression incidents to-date in the 2008 election season, http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voter_suppression_incidents/.
Orange County polls will be open Tuesday from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. If you need voter information, go to the source: Orange County Registrar of Voters, http://www.ocvote.com or call 714-567-7600.

Here’s what is recommended by voters’ rights groups for Tuesday voters:
Go early
Be patient (enjoy the other OC-ers in line with you)
Bring your photo ID and the sample ballot that was mailed to your address
Do not leave polling places without casting your ballot
If you have a problem, don’t leave. Tell the polling place volunteers to call in a supervisor to help.

(And the best part)
Honor your right to vote! And, don’t forget Starbucks is giving a free tall coffee on Tuesday to anyone who tells them they voted. : )

Obama/ Biden 2008

2 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

Tired Mom (VA)
Thanks so much for the video link. Truer words were never spoken
read.

2 11 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Tom – Hick Town PA

Are you in Steelers country? I was glad to see that Dan Rooney endorsed Obama and so did the BUS! Are you in Penn State territory? I saw that JoPa endorsed Obama, too – as did his son. Could you believe that stupid remark about the Phillies that Whack Job made in Erie? I’m surprised she didn’t say Go Eagles when she was in Pgh!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign_endorsements

2 11 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Tom – Hick Town PA

Also, are you in Murtha’s District??

2 11 2008
grumpy in Illinois

Scarier than Halloween….. “Watch Free for All”, the documentary from Video the Vote. You can either order the CD or watch online. Shows why we need to be vigilant at the poles this election day,especially in the swing states.

http://www.freeforall.tv/about-the-film/clip

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

@ Uk Lady

Yay for Hamilton!!!

Whoever put out the link to channelsurfing.net, thank you… the only thing is that now I’m watching MSNBC and a MCCain rally is on. I am soooo glad I’ve been missing these for the last two months. It’s appalling, appalling, appalling… that’s a mob, not a political rally.

2 11 2008
Trini

My condolences to Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois (D) on the untimely death of his daughter, Chris (40).

2 11 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child (11:20:35) :

Visitor (11:13:26) :
Is there any reason why we don’t vote on weekends? Anyone know?
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Probably has to do with sabbath breaking concerns. Jewish and Seventh Day Adventist sabbath is Saturday (probably others). And Sunday would be just sooooo wrong — how could you ask people to pick between going to church and voting?
I do think, though, that Election Day should be an official day off for everyone.
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me too……this important…..

2 11 2008
DLB in PDX

This is the link to Judy Woodruff’s video for the PBS/YouTube “Video Your Vote” effort:

2 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA REPORT

Yesterday an Obama Campaign worker stopped at our doorstep to hand out info. Later in the day another local Obama worker called our home. Today a third Obama worker hung voting info on our door and we got a friendly informational robo call from the Obama campaign just giving info on where our local polls are.

My Obama sign (and every other one on our street) finally got stolen last night. I picked up replacement signs today for myself and my next door neighbor. I am planning on posting a homemade sign next to it that says “You might steal my signs, but you will not steal this election.”

I also canvassed for the local campaign for several hours myself today. Pittsburgh is in Appalachia. You have to be a mountain goat to walk up all those steep driveways. I am about half done with my assignments. I stopped home to take a little nap and then I’ll be out there again.

2 11 2008
JT

About the half white, half black satire conspiracy..

About nine years ago I read an article on race, and it discussed how the concept of “race” was not in existence prior to the New World importing slaves from Africa. Since the earliest times there has been slavery, According to the article, civilizations were realizing that slavery was bad, and in order to justify the slaves coming to America, supporters of slavery had to spin it so that the Africans were sub-human and inferior, thus justifying slavery. They created a notion of race. According to the article, until that time people would not have a problem with a black skinned person marrying a white skin person. They might have an issue of clans, or what area they were from, yet it was not a race thing. Because race is an invented notion.

The article went on to say that what we know as races are simply groups of people who are more closely related than others. The example they gave was that if you occupied an Island with all red headed people, and the only people they married was each other, their children would probably be all red headed. Hence, a red headed “race”.

The fact is, whenever you mix up the genes, those positive genes are normally dominant. Ever notice those actresses of “mixed race” are usually the most beautiful?

The skin head mentality of “sticking to our own” is no more than interbreeding, and a stagnate gene pool.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

For our Detroit friends..

The Halloween Grinch’s info.. Call, write, or visit.. And let her know her assinine behavior is not to be tolerated..

Ironically, this idiot who refused candy for kids unless they’re voting for Mcgrumpy was a GOP delegate at their convention. Is this how a Mcgrumpy admin would work? Denying candy to children of dems..

For everyone who wants to call or write this woman.. here’s the info. I didn’t try calling, although my guess is her phone’s already disconnected.

Shirley Nagel
465 Belanger
Grosse Pointe Farms, MI 48236
(313) 884-2598
enjoy!

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

oops.. obviously the parents have to vote.. but still the kids don’t vote so why make them cry by being mean ?? Is that what a Repug Halloween is?

2 11 2008
Bea

Re: election day holiday. I’m ALL for it, BUT it would have to be structured such that people wouldn’t use it as a vacation day instead of going to vote– ie. make it a Wednesday.

Honestly, I think MORE THAN ONE voting day would be best. I think we are getting there with early voting, vote by mail, etc. Voting should be EASY and the GOP has done all it can to make it hard. Once we’re in control we need to make sure to enact PERMANENT reforms that REALLY ‘help American vote” unlike the awful HAVA that gave us electronic black box voting.

Oh, and I am the channelsurfing evangelist.😉 I just love being able to watch Keith and Rachel even though I have no TV. So glad my fellow Mudpups across the sea are loving it too!

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Eyes Wide Open,

Thanks for the report. PA does appear to be tightening some (VA too for that matter) but I have faith in the Keystone state. Somehow snatching PA appears to be McCain’s only chance for victory, but I know you won’t let that happen!🙂

2 11 2008
Boibg

I am an electrical engineer but most of my career I worked as a construction manager for general contractors. First, your cell phone is not really a telephone it is a radio transmitter and receiver operating through cell towers and switching apparatus. Granted these radio signals can pass by the voting apparatus but I cannot figure out how these signals can interfere with a computer that does not work by radio technology. If radio signals could be made to interfere with the voting apparatus it would be a relatively simple task to shield it. Airlines require you to turn off you electrical items even though it has been proved that it is impossible for these low power devices to interfere with the airplane’s avionics.

2 11 2008
Bobg

Sorry typo- that is Bobg.

2 11 2008
Bev

My understanding about Voting on Tuesday and not on weekends is this: back in the good old days, it took farmers time to get to town. . . so. . . they would work Thursday, Friday and Saturday getting the farm work done, go to church on Sunday, travel to town on Sunday, arrive on Monday, vote on Tuesday, return home on Thursday in time to bring in the rest of the harvest. Now, given that most farmers no longer use the horse and wagon transportation mode, and that most farms are within 5-10 miles of the nearest town and traverse there on paved roads. . . you’d think our voting system would have figured that all out by now. But oh no. . . just as we switch around time in order to bring the harvest (Daylight savings time), we stupidly maintain the 19th century rural schedule for our 21st century voting lifestyle. Uh huh.

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

Hey Marty – Surprise – her mailbox is full and she is not answering!

2 11 2008
2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

Thanks Bea – waves from cold dark Sweden!!! Got my blue candle burningbrightly on my desk!

2 11 2008
Bobg

Bev- that was also the original intent for the Electoral College. It was easier for the states to count the ballots and then send the results with a couple of people than to put all of the ballots in a wagon and cart them to Washington.

2 11 2008
enjay AKA Turbine Yukon

Harry Reid on Ted Stevens (AK)

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was forced into the middle of Sen. Ted Stevens’ (R-Alaska) re-election bid late Saturday night after a senior Senate Democrat endorsed Stevens and called on voters to disregard his seven-count felony conviction.

In a bluntly worded release from his office, Reid warned that Stevens would not only face an ethics investigation but also expulsion proceedings regardless of his efforts to appeal the convictions.

“While I respect the opinion of Senator Daniel Inouye, the reality is that a convicted felon is not going to be able to serve in the United States Senate. And as precedent shows us, Senator Stevens will face an ethics committee investigation and expulsion, regardless of his appeals process,” Reid said.

Read more @ http://www.rollcall.com/news/29690-1.html

2 11 2008
NMJ

Here’s a helpful video giving guidelines and tips on videoing at a polling place. It was created by the Citizen Media Law Project.

CMLP is a nonprofit that provides legal assistance, education, and resources for individuals and organizations involved in online and citizen media. We are jointly affiliated with Harvard University’s Berkman Center for Internet & Society and the Center for Citizen Media, an initiative to enhance and expand grassroots media.

Their website is:

http://www.citmedialaw.org/

How To Video Your Vote: A Legal Primer
http://au.youtube.com/user/citizenmedialaw

2 11 2008
JaneDoe

Coffee break time:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/02/cheney_star_of_new_obama_ad.html

New Obama ad starring Cheney & Palin
says Cheney ” I’m delighted to support a Vice President with…common sense”…OY!
Maybe he didn’t hear the ‘punked’ call from yesterday. Wonder if the ‘Masked Avenges’ call will be reflected in any of the polls on Monday?

Are we there yet?

2 11 2008
Crunk Petrol Palin

The reason we vote on Tuesdays is because farmers used to have to travel to polling places. They didn’t want to vote or travel on Sunday, so Tuesday was chosen as election day to allow them to travel on Monday. (Obviously, this is when people had to travel by horse.)

I have always thought that the Presidential election should be a national holiday, but those groups who don’t want everyone to vote (ie, Repugs) have always been against the national holiday idea. Maybe when Obama wins and the Dems have a majority in Congress, they can make it a holiday.

2 11 2008
Terpsichore

Yes, everyone please check your state laws before you bring a video camera or still camera. And before you try to use your camera phone in the polling place. I early voted last week in FLA and there was a sign outsode the polling place that said “no Cameras i n polling place”. And someone above quoted the law.

I’m a bit divided on this issue. I like the ability to have video evidence documented if there’s a problem, but I also know that allowing them creates the potential for a big violation of other people’s right to privacy.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Deep and Tired..

All this talk about voting early in VA is odd.. VA only allows for absentee with excuse voting.. How are so many people voting early or are just loads and loads of people planning to be out of town on tues??

I’ve never had a problem voting in Fairfax, with rarely more than a 15 minute wait and this year, I’m in a new polling place that may be even faster.

But what’s the story on all the VA early voting?

2 11 2008
Moons in Leo

And we think we’re any better than a third world country? Shameful.

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

My son voted early. He works 7-7 on Tuesday … his reason given was one hour was not enough time to vote and drive to work … they accepted that and handed him his ballot.

I believe many others are doing the same, anticipating long waits that will interfere with their family (babysitter issues) or work life (can’t miss any hours)

It should be a national holiday, so that all can vote.

2 11 2008
WV Democrat

@ Bea (12:00:02) :

Oh, and I am the channelsurfing evangelist.
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Oh, you are? No kidding…

2 11 2008
protus

Ok people I dont care what has to happen make sure you stand for your vote.

2 11 2008
Bobg

Just checked a site on the polling numbers for Mark Begich. The numbers range from 22% ahead to 1% ahead. Does anyone have reliable info on his race?

2 11 2008
gc

Suggest everyone read the rules when you are at the polls.

In Ohio you MAY NOT Use your cell phone nor may you take any pictures or video!!!! within the polling place which extends 100′ from the door.

Nor may anyone else take pictures or videos w/o express permission of the Secretary of State or the local Board of Elections.

Your quest to video tape may just be seen as voter intimidation by others, which is what I am sure you do not want to do.

If you see a problem, call the #’s for your state for this purpose.

Interferring in the voting process is not permitted.

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Marty,

Yes, technically there is no early voting in VA – it’s absentee in-person voting. But all reports I’ve heard are that the state board of elections wants people to vote ahead of time to ease the crush on election day. And the Obama campaign has also been encouraging volunteers to vote absentee in order to be available to help out on Tuesday.

As long as you will be occupied for 11 hours on election day with commuting/work (or in my case, child care) you are allowed to vote absentee.

I’ve never had a long wait at my polling place in Alexandria, but I didn’t want to take any chances, so I voted over a week ago.

2 11 2008
whichferret

I was out yesterday canvassing in Missouri. I already voted here in Kansas. Mostly have to hope for down ticket victories here…electoral college nonsense and all…and I don’t have the option of being off on election day. But my dad took my grandfather to do his absentee ballot in Kansas City and it took like 2 hours….they did wait. But right after my dad checked them in there was a guy in line behind them that was told that he needed a second form of ID, which is FALSE!!!! So my dad called the poll worker on it and told them that they were WRONG, that the Supreme Court had struck that down. The poll worker backed down. YAY DAD! Dad did get a dirty look, but luckily looks don’t kill🙂

2 11 2008
Skinny That One

So if McCain and the Repubs picked SP for VP, (with the blessings of Bush and Cheney) who are they going to pick for:
Department Heads, Supreme Court Justices, other judicial appointments, other government positions???

It’s not just SP becoming President that is terrifying, it’s the entire weight of reckless, irresponsible political appointments and catering to the CEO’s and lobbyists and bankers and insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies and Big Oil.

It’s about corporate welfare and loss of privacy and about people for clean air being added to terror alert lists. And if you’re not for the Patriot Act and loss of your rights as citizens then you’re not a real American.

It’s about wanting to criminalize women and their doctors for making decisions that are best made by women and their doctors.

It’s about regressing back to the darkest of dark ages with intolerance being the rule of law.

The alternative vote is for Obama/Biden:

**smarter energy policy and investment in jobs and workers
**national unity
**diplomacy skills and a more peaceful and safe world
**your health and the health of the planet
**a steady hand at the helm

2 11 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/
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yahooo
check it out AK is pink…..not blue……..not red …pink
YAHOOOOO

2 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Bea, thanks to you I am MSNBCing, that awful 9.11 noun verb or whatever is on, saying Biden gaffe showed O not tested but McNit is, why? what did he do apart from getting shot down, crashing planes, getting banged up? Oh and marrying his rich mistress?

2 11 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

Carry over from a previous thread for @AKaurora (03:29:59) :

If you’re still checking here and are actually in AK, check with AMIPA (Alaska Moving Images and Pictures Association) in Anchorage to check on transferring film to DVD. If they won’t do it for you, they should be able to refer you to someone who can. Another option might be KAKM or whatever the public TV station is up there.

2 11 2008
Bea

Hey Tired Mom,

I think you probabaly didn’t see it in the last thread but we are almost car twins!

I drive a 1990 Camry station wagon (red)!

VINTAGE TOYOTA DRIVING VIRGINIAN LADIES FOR OBAMA

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Voting in the 21st Century.

So many issues about voting. It shouldn’t be so complicated. It should be uniform across the country, and it should be an easy process. The GOP has routinely run the registrars offices in states across the country, and made it hard to vote. Bush would not have won if thousands had been allowed to vote who were legally entitled to vote, yet not once in 8 years did the non-pres bush ever apologize for all the people who got screwed by his brother and that witch Harris.

Every state takes a different tact on voting and just screws it up.

My theory..

A non-partisan National Voter Registration Authority, that handles all registrations. With an Internet wired world, it wouldn’t be hard to submit information to a national database. For those not internet capable, mail in registration and even state offices could handle this FOR the Feds with a uniform set of documents and requirements.

Voting would be handled with a method deemed safe and reliable by this non-partisan Authority. If it’s paper, or machine, each ballot would be assured to be valid by the Authority. A reciept generated by whatever counts the votes would be given, just as we get a reciept when we buy anything in the store and it would show who we voted for. A reciept eliminates debates on what the machine counted. These machines would be under the control of the Authority, and only these people designated can do service or maintanence.. People who work for a political party would not be allowed to be on the Authority.

The Authority would place voting in places deemed safe and convienient, and would have enough equipment and people to handle the needs based on how many people are registered per voting location. There would not be 1 machine in a voting location with 4,000 registered voters.

The end result would be a uniform method of registering and voting. States would have access to the same data for their state elections, eliminating the need to have two registrars..

I don’t see how something like this couldn’t be accomplished.. Maybe with a dem pres and congress, after years of GOP corruption, this could happen and even though it would also benefit the Repugs, at least it would be what Americans want. A FAIR ELECTION.. it’s been a while since we’ve had one.

2 11 2008
Road Runner

I’m taking a break from data entry at the phone bank satelite office. This is one of 5 offices in the area(2 are donated spaces). I am amazed at the crowds that are coming in to work the phones. We are calling all over the country.

2 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

Being too impatient to read all responses right now:

How can you tell if your vote has “flipped” if you have not pushed the button to enter your vote?

2 11 2008
Deuce2 AL

OT: If anyone has a link to the picture of the Obama rally,
I would appreciate it if you would post it for me. If you want,
perhaps it would be just as easy to email me at:
deuce244@hotmail.com
Thank You in advance.

2 11 2008
Bea

whichferret (12:29:01) : BRAVO to your dad! He should also report that incident and precint to Obama’s local office so they can look into that poll worker further.

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UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady (12:30:23) :

Bea, thanks to you I am MSNBCing, that awful 9.11 noun verb or whatever is on, saying Biden gaffe showed O not tested but McNit is, why? what did he do apart from getting shot down, crashing planes, getting banged up? Oh and marrying his rich mistress?
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Yes, that is the danger of channelsurfing.net– occasionally a total doofus will pop up and pollute your eardrums. Rudy-the-crossdressing-grave-dancer is a PRIME example of that.

2 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Bea – Wow, cross dressing grave dancer? do tell!

2 11 2008
Augie

Posted this the other day but think it merits a re-post.
If you have any problem at all with voting call:
1-866-OURVOTE

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

Mel Martinez, the repulsive, lying, cheating, Repug Senator from FL was just on MSNBC. He was just fined $100,000 for campaign finance violations from his election in 2004, when he barely squeeked by a great Democratic candidate, Betty Castor.

Rove and Bush were determined to win Florida, after our debacle in 2000, so they recruited Martinez, who would be the first Hispanic in the Senate, to help them carry Florida. They also scared the voters in the conservative Florida Panhandle into thinking that a vote for Kerry/Castor was a vote for more abortions, gay marriage and no guns.

They also tied Betty Castor to terrorism!?!!! Truly disgusting.

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

What? Cross-dressing grave dancer??? (We should get Mr E Izzard on that one, dontcha think UK Lady?)

2 11 2008
Mary Beth

I voted Saturday in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and it was great! It took an hour and a half, but the weather was beautiful, the people in line were determined and committed, the election workers were friendly and organized, and it just felt good all around.

I know Oklahoma is a red state, but you wouldn’t have guessed that Saturday morning.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

note the last par of each line.. 53 46 is the spread, the +number is obamas lead.. he is ahead in every poll..even fox has him up by 3..

Poll Date Sample MoE Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 10/27 – 11/01 — — 50.5 44.2 Obama +6.3
CNN/Opinion Research 10/30 – 11/01 714 LV 3.5 53 46 Obama +7
Rasmussen Reports 10/30 – 11/01 3000 LV 2.0 51 46 Obama +5
Gallup (Traditional)* 10/30 – 11/01 2503 LV 2.0 51 43 Obama +8
Gallup (Expanded)* 10/30 – 11/01 2475 LV 2.0 52 43 Obama +9
Diageo/Hotline 10/30 – 11/01 882 LV 3.6 50 45 Obama +5
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby 10/30 – 11/01 1201 LV 2.9 50 44 Obama +6
IBD/TIPP 10/29 – 11/01 844 LV 3.4 47 45 Obama +2
CBS News 10/28 – 10/31 747 LV — 54 41 Obama +13
ABC News/Wash Post 10/28 – 10/31 1900 LV 2.5 53 44 Obama +9
GWU/Battleground 10/27 – 10/30 800 LV 3.5 49 45 Obama +4
Marist 10/29 – 10/29 543 LV 4.5 50 43 Obama +7
FOX News 10/28 – 10/29 924 LV 3.0 47 44 Obama +3

2 11 2008
Augie

Mary Beth,
My son is in Tulsa and everyone he knows is voting Obama!

2 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

A Brit Abroad – This is just too much fun!!! Bet we have a few eccentrics that could give them a run for their money though.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

god that dope fred thompson is on.. he sure knows a lot.. he was humiliated right off the gop ticket with like 100 votes in the primaries..

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Newest Pollster numbers.. OBama 311.. Mcloser 147..🙂

http://www.pollster.com/

2 11 2008
derDunkelRover

Just a note to my fellow Texicans – I am going to be working the polls as an election clerk. I tell you this from my training and from 25 years in the news media.
IT IS ILLEGAL TO TAKE A CAMERA, VIDEO RECORDER, AUDIO RECORDER, MOBILE PHONE, VIDEO CAMERA INSIDE THE 100 FOOT MARKER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
You may take all the pictures you want and tape all you want outside that marker.
Go Obama!

2 11 2008
Soldotna Sue

It makes me feel so good to have good people from around the world support “Our Guy.” I have such great hope that the USA will earn the respect and support of other countries of the world again.

2 11 2008
Whabs, Seattle, WA.

OT
A Cautionary Tale
The Vet Who Did Not Vet

2 11 2008
2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

@ UK Lady… I bet we do!

@ Soldotna Sue
Believe me, we want to respect and support you – but the last 8 years has made it soooooo difficult. Of, course I respect and support you all as individuals, but US policy has divided the world… oh, I don’t think I want to go here, because it’s such a privilege sharing this election with you all and I don’t want to offend anyone.

Instead I think I shall repost this video (did my usual trick of posting it just before a new thread came up).
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7704636.stm

2 11 2008
AKaurora

InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein (12:30:51) :
Thanks, I’m in Anchorage so will check with them soon. If successful, will make a great gift for the family!

2 11 2008
SamON

Ok that was not how it should have shown🙂
See http://www.bradblog.com for news on election fraud is what I was saying…

2 11 2008
katiebegood

The only way we are going to be able to make our system fair is to mandate vote-by-mail nationally. We can make registration restrictive as long as it is possible for everyone to register. Then, once you are registered, no one can challenge your right to vote. All you have to worry about is to put in a change of address when you move because ballots are not forwarded.

There IS NO downside to voting by mail. You get your ballot two weeks before the election day and all you have to do is to fill it out and drop it off at a library or post office. No lines, no worries someone will challenge your right to vote and a total paper trail to follow if an election is challenged.

I can see no down-side to voting by mail. Can you? We have been doing it in Oregon for years and it works great.

2 11 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/
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AK is not red any more…..it is not light pink…but is not red

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Marty,

I think you’re right that all the voting procedures should be more standardized and it wouldn’t surprise me if we eventually moved in that direction.

I posted to you a couple days ago, but you may not have seen it, that I read in WaPo that VA and MD will be transitioning back to paper ballots after this election. In VA it will be done gradually, as the electronic machines wear out. The article said that in Fairfax they are offering paper ballots to those who want them. I did not notice this going on in Alexandria, but possibly it was an option and I just didn’t see it. It is definitely worrisome that we have electronic voting with no paper trail.

2 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

It will be so good to be proud to be an American again after the election of Barack Obama.

2 11 2008
John* The Pitbull Wrangler*

Well, here it is Mudpuppies, McCain is getting desperate.. CNN posted this on their ticker.

Pennsylvania Republicans highlight Wright in last-minute ad

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

katiebegood,

I have no experience voting by mail, but by all accounts it has worked beautifully in Oregon. I think it bears looking at for a national model. I has driven up turnout in Oregon, hasn’t it?

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird (12:48:15) :

god that dope fred thompson is on.. he sure knows a lot.. he was humiliated right off the gop ticket with like 100 votes in the primaries..
______________

Marty, if I remember correctly, campaigning didn’t really fit into Thompson’s schedule…

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

Forgive me if I’m being thick, but why can’t you connect your voter registration to your social security number (assuming everyone over the age of 18 “should” have one)?

2 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Why are MSM making such a big deal of the Mason Dixon polls? they seem to be heavily partisan to me. Just double checked on 538 and yup, the only one showing lead for McAwful.

2 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

I thought I heard on MSNBC today that McCain was drawing crowds of only about 1,000 per rally while Obama is drawing crowds of tens of thousands.

Did I hear correctly?

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Brit abroad,

I believe voter registration IS connected with SS numbers. But there are probably legal and/or logistical reasons why they don’t use them at the polls.

I know they took SS #’s off Virginia drivers licenses some years back due to identity theft concerns.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Deep, i saw that too.. I keep wanting to stop getting the Post, as it gets more expensive every year, and 1/2 the time I don’t have time to read more than the front pages, but there’s some comfort to having that paper out on the front step (yes really, we have an awesome carrier) every day.

I don’t recall voting on a paper ballot in a long time .. Fairfax has always been electronic. But I think the solution is electronic with paper printout in the actual voting booth so no but the voter sees the reciept.

Lottery machines are able to handle thousands of transactions with reliable audit trails.. I don’t see why voting should be any more complex than lottery boards that have hundreds of millions of transactions when a big lotto is involved. There are transaction numbers, bar codes and the actual data lottery numbers) all on a reciept.. it could print the names of who were voted for just as easily.

2 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

@A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein “That One” Cobra (13:07:32) :

Forgive me if I’m being thick, but why can’t you connect your voter registration to your social security number (assuming everyone over the age of 18 “should” have one)?

~~

I would think there would be concerns with identity theft in linking voter registration to SSNs.

I am totally and completely against having to show ID to vote. For that reason alone, I would favor vote-by-mail.

2 11 2008
Sparkleball Lady

RE: voting for mail

If you read the material promoted by Robert Kennedy Jr. about voting fraud, he does not support voting by mail. He says that in some states, mail votes are counted AFTER the election as are absentee ballots. With mail ballots there are no visible pollworkers for voters to see, and in some cases ballots have just been tossed.

Maybe in Oregon where the whole state votes that way, yall are safe. But it did make me think. When you “hide” voting (all mail) you take it from the eyes of the people. And there is no way to know, or at least feel, your vote has been counted.

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

Thanks Deep Blue… in Sweden our voter registration is based on our SS#. You go to vote, they tick you off on the list, you pick up your ballot, go to the booth, vote and then drop it in a box. I think it is difficult for many many non US citizens to understand why your voting system is, well, a disaster. I’m beginning to understand why – and I think the idea of an independent national authority to administer voting is a great idea. I’m all for paper trails too. Nothing should be more complicated or less transparent than necessary. Easy to say from this side of the Atlantic though…

2 11 2008
Sparkleball Lady

Once again AKM, an excellent post. This video is better than the one on http://www.videothevote– and I will send it to all my rich white friends in CA who have no idea what life is like in the rest of the country.

It is shameful that the country that shouts most about being democratic votes as if it were a third-world banana republic!

The videos on http://www.videothevote.com are incredible. I watched one made by a young man in Los Angeles recording his voting in his room on a mail ballot. It almost made me cry, just to see this one young man so proud of his vote that he videotaped it. Of course, it was for OBAMA!

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

VINTAGE TOYOTA DRIVING VIRGINIAN LADIES FOR OBAMA

Yeah Buddy!!! love that 35/mpg – maroon in color – mine has a few battle scars, but as I watch the big SUVs fill up and then smile to myself when fill mine up!!

2 11 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"
2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Sparkle.. I’d have to agree with you. I think there needs to be humans watching and controlling the voting process. They know who you are based on id, and you go into a private booth and cast your vote. There is no chance to vote again, unless you’re james bond and have multiple ids..!

Mail ballots can be filled out literally by anyone. Junior wants mccain, takes grannies ballot and fills in mccain and mails it.. granny wanted obama and she got ripped.

mail is lost, and there is a nightmare sorting problem.

There has to be an on-premises voting system, it’s just a matter of technology made easy and fast enough to allow reliable voting to happen.

2 11 2008
Sue

In Oregon we vote by mail. The ballots arrive about 3 weeks before election day, so if yours doesn’t arrive, you have time to go to the country office and fix any errors in their records. We mark the ballots with pens or pencils, so there is no confusion about machines or computer fraud. And because we have almost 3 weeks to vote and turn in our ballots, we have no lines on election day. There are no booths or polling places; we just drop our ballots in the big white box. It is a system that has served us well.

2 11 2008
Augie

Are most of ya’ll not seeing the Wright ad?
They’ve been showing it here in central Arkansas for a couple of days now.

2 11 2008
Bea

UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady (12:41:47) :

Bea – Wow, cross dressing grave dancer? do tell!
____

Rudy Guliani was rahter famous as mayor of NYC, pre-9/11, for showing up in full-on Edna Everage drag. See: http://timesonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/09/giuliani_in_drag.jpg

and

I add the ‘grave dancer’ part b/c Guiliani has gleefully feasted off the souls of the dead of 9/11 and made himself filthy rich in the process.

2 11 2008
Susie in Jersey

OK, just posted this in the wrong thread. From 538:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/google-traffic-suggests-mccain-not.html

2 11 2008
testerm

watch “standard operating procedures” on current.com. You can submit any kind of footage to be aired. Please do!

http://current.com/items/89188505_standard_operating_procedure_people_behind_the_abu_ghraib_abuse

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

Okay – just to throw this in… why does it have to be a technological process? What is wrong with a paper and pen? I think technology is wonderful when it works BUT what happens if a fuse blows at the polling station or there’s a long term power outage? I don’t think “it probably won’t happen” is good enough when it comes to people’s votes.

2 11 2008
upnorthMN aka hose Hussein hotrod

UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady (13:08:19) :

Why are MSM making such a big deal of the Mason Dixon polls? they seem to be heavily partisan to me. Just double checked on 538 and yup, the only one showing lead for McAwful.
————–
The MSM has a vested interest in viewers “staying tuned” to a close race. If there were no drama what on earth would they have to “report” on???
hHh

2 11 2008
Bea

Tired Mom (VA) (13:17:30) :

VINTAGE TOYOTA DRIVING VIRGINIAN LADIES FOR OBAMA

Yeah Buddy!!! love that 35/mpg – maroon in color – mine has a few battle scars, but as I watch the big SUVs fill up and then smile to myself when fill mine up!!
____

Indeed, mine gets fab gas mileage too. Plus the extra fun of those delightful auto-shoulder belts to confound passengers who are unused to 1990’s safety technology. LOL.

2 11 2008
grumpy in Illinois

There has been much discussion this year regarding the wearing of campaign buttons, t-shirts etc to the poles. In many states this is regarded as electioneering.
if you google electioneering there are over 14 million entries.
In many cases it has come down to a First Amendment issue.
One could argue with the officials at the pole whether you have the right to wear campaign attire, buttons. It may not be worth it if the police are called or you are turned away.

As an example in Texas, you cannot wear Dallas Cowboy colors or buttons , hats etc because there is a refrendum regarding the building of a new $650MM stadium. Maybe its crazy. But thats what they are doing.

Each state has a different law or laws. Whether they are constitutional or misinterpreted is a huge issue.

The caviat is just be careful

2 11 2008
Carol(Chicago,IL)

Am I the first Chicago mudpuppy back on Mudflats?

Hey,Mudstock II was great! It was wonderful to meet and match faces to names. Shikago and Bec will have all the details and photos-which I can hardly wait to see myself.

Shikago generously made us iron on transfers and Bec supplied us with wonderful yellow boot nametags and business cards to spread the Mudflats word. Really a wonderful group all around.
Thanks to you all and thanks to AKM

My next step is calling and checking in here throughout the rest of the day.

2 11 2008
ANITA

DESPERATION!!!!!DESPERATION!!!!!JUST HEARD THAT THE RNC IS PUTTING OUT AN AD IN PA REFERRING TO JEREMIAH WRIGHT

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Brit Abroad,

I think for many people it just seems natural that in modern times we would use modern methods to vote. But I think after the debacles we’ve had, we might be seeing the pendulum swing back toward paper balloting.

In Virginia, before we went to electronic voting, we had paper ballots that were optically scanned. I’m sure this system is not without its flaws, but it might be one way to combine modern technology with the safety net of a paper ballot. Obviously counting votes manually on election night is not really a feasible option in a country as large as the US, so there needs to be some mechanism for automatic vote tabulation.

2 11 2008
Blue in MT

The Wright Ad started airing in Montana this weekend.

The thing that makes me most angry is John McCain is on tape telling someone at a rally that they have nothing to fear if Obama were to be President. The hypocrisy is what makes me ill.

I guess we are not all born with a conscience.

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

@Deep Blue in VA

In Virginia, before we went to electronic voting, we had paper ballots that were optically scanned.

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In Florida, we got rid of touch screens and now have paper ballots with optical scanning.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

I think in small states like Oregon, mail in balloting may work just fine. The problem is going to be in the large states that could be innundated with ballots that have to be opened and counted. And correctly entered into the system.

There has always been a fear that someone opens the mail, and sees their candidate wasn’t selected and simply enters that on their behalf.. Illegal, and fraudulent, of course.. But when you mail something, it’s not in your possession or control. You can’t be 100% positive it counted, if it was lost, if a mail machine ate it, if it got snagged by aliens.. It’s just an assumption if you mail it, it actually arrives and counts.

In person voting is the only way to be certain what you did was done, and even that doesn’t guarantee it’s counted.

The trend today is towards optical scanner paper ballots. These are filled out by the voter, and scanned immediately under your supervision and you know your ballot went into the machine and was scanned and presumably counted. If the ballot was not readable, it will fail and you’re able to fix it on the spot. Perfect? I doubt it. But close.. And yes, this is technology, but it’s paper trail technology.

So, who knows what new technology will come out in years to come. I just am worried that my mail in ballot won’t count since i don’t have the ability to see it processed or dropped in a box or scanned into a system.

2 11 2008
Sue

I was so pleased today at church. Instead of telling us how to vote, one of our deacons just said, “Please vote; it’s a right that our forefathers and our veterans have fought to keep for us; please vote.”

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

Oh hey, optical scanning – that I could go for…

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

ANITA (13:30:19) :

DESPERATION!!!!!DESPERATION!!!!!JUST HEARD THAT THE RNC IS PUTTING OUT AN AD IN PA REFERRING TO JEREMIAH WRIGHT

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Too bad the Dems won’t counter with an ad with Palin’s witchhunter pastor laying hands on her. (joking, of course).

The Repugs are just desperate now to suppress the vote. The large majority of voters have their minds made up. They know about Jeremiah Wright and don’t care. With this ad, the Repugs are just trying to convince the undecided voters to say, “What the heck. I don’t like either one. I’m staying home.” Voter suppression, pure and simple.

They’re not going to be able to stop the Obama win, though.

2 11 2008
Augie

Anita,
That’s the ad that’s been running in Arkansas.
Clearly it’s aimed at stirring up the racist/redneck vote.

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

@Marty: The trend today is towards optical scanner paper ballots.

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That’s funny – I guess VA has bucked the trend since we HAD that system, and abandoned it for expensive electronic voting machines, only to decide now that the old system was better…

2 11 2008
Blue in MT

Can the Dems counter the Wright ads (new in Montana this weekend) with a video of John McCain at the rally reassuring the attendee that he has nothing to be scared of with Barack Obama as president?

The Repubs/McCain/Palin hypocrisy makes me physically ill. Maybe they should be disqualified from running since they appear to be without a conscience.

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

The Redneck Woman clearly has the redneck vote already. A Jeremiah Wright ad won’t change their minds, because they weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Jump to 2020 voting..

In a world, far far away.. When its some baby bush v some baby kennedy, and it’s time to vote.

We go to the polling place, a voting robot scans the retina and confirms identity.. The person goes into the voting booth, a second retinal scan is performed, and the voter thinks what candidates he wants from a list.. The computer then prints these names on the voting machine screen.

We see and agree to these names and think yes, and the computer then completes the process. The vote is immediately transmitted to a satellite, and put into the voting database. A microchip token is dispensed with this info on it for your records.

I think i like it. .;)

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

Oh boy. Governor Huntsman in on MSNBC talking about how Palin was Governor of a very difficult state to manage. Huh?

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Excuse me while i hurl..

Barbie was just shown in a clip holding a baby and dancing a bit.. She was showing more emotion to this strangers kid than she’s EVER shown on camera to her darling Trig.

I know, we never got records.. we never were going to get them. But it’s just sad this worst mother of the year was smiling and having fun with someone elses kid yet shows so little affection towards any of her own children.

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

Chuck Todd predicts that 30% of voters will have voted by election day! Yay! That’s another reason that any surprise attack ads from McLoser aren’t going to matter, anyway!

Let’s see…McLame has called Obama a terrorist, socialist, communist, and redistributor (my personal favorite because it’s soooo clever ;)…what could possibly be next besides the anti-Christ?

2 11 2008
CO Almost Native

@Big Al-

Clever, clever- I so wish it was true:)

I am driving people who need rides to vote through the closest Obama office, but I may see if someone needs to borrow my video camera. Today I have been out walking a 10K for my school district’s foundation (a glorious day), so now I must go back and catch up on the posts. Good to do something else, but I’ve missed all my new friends-

2 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Looking forward to Shikago and Becs pics.

To cheer you up in the meantime – trading figures from Intrade Predictions

Electoral Votes 353 D 185R

Obama trading at 89

McLame trading at 12.6

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Just saw a McCain canvasser in my neighborhood – the first one I have ever seen anywhere. Guess the campaign has finally decided they might need to work for votes.

He was probably pretty discouraged on my block – out of seven houses, there are 4 Obama signs and no McCain signs…

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

rf.. .shhhh.. he hasn’t called him black yet.. ! we still have time…

2 11 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

grumpy in Illinois (13:27:26) :

As an example in Texas, you cannot wear Dallas Cowboy colors or buttons , hats etc because there is a refrendum regarding the building of a new $650MM stadium. Maybe its crazy. But thats what they are doing.
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Hey! That’s a chance for Dallas fans to wear Steeler gear on Election Day! I love it! Great! And, remember, McPOW and Obama will BOTH speak final words during Halftime during the Monday night Redskins vs Steelers Game tomorrow night.

And yes. Both teams are now off the hook on the Redskins Election Predictor Legend because it was broken in 2004!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/redskins.asp

But we did send a Special Dispensation out from all of us of the Steeler Nation at Pittsburgh Mudstock that anyone who twirls a cloth of any kind during the game, that it will count as a Terrible Towel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrible_Towel

So everyone enjoy the game tomorrow night if you want to relax that way. Even you die hard Redskins fans. We completely understand!

Some light your blue candles.

Some pray.

We will be ready.

2 11 2008
rf11 in FL

Marty, I don’t think she will find a doctor to falsify her medical records, and face possible loss of his/her license.

What’s new? Palin said she would release her medical records and she hasn’t. Chalk it up to yet another Palin lie.

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

@ Marty
ADN has a collection of Palin photos – lots of pictures of her holding strangers’ babies up to the camera as if she was the proud mother. There’s one picture of her and Trig and the poor kid has slumped so far down inside his overalls you can barely see the top of his head… I really try to stay off this subject, but it drives me mad. One thing is clear – we’ve seen one person in the Palin family treat the child affectionately and she’s not with him now.

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Brit.. i think the key was when someone pointed out a photo with Bristol holding trig and levi, aka, probably the daddy, kissing him on the head.. why would a kid be kissing the child of his future mother in law?

I’ve tried to find that post and photo and haven’t been able to. So maybe it was a rumor.. but it makes sense if it’s true..

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

The Boss is singin on msnbc.!

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

I propose.. when this election is over.. that we mccains thumbs are superglued to his hands so he can’t do those creepy thumbs up motions..

Any one second this?

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

Marty, I’ve seen that photo too. They did look very family-like… There is something odd about it all, even if it is simply that Palin didn’t want a fifth child and did her best to commit “accidental” matricide by taking lots of risks while in labour (there, I said it…). Actually though – in my world it wouldn’t be odd for Levi to be kissing his girlfriend’s baby brother, he’d just be practising for his own parenthood. Even if that’s all it is, he gets plus points for it from me!

2 11 2008
sosad

ANITA (13:30:19) :

DESPERATION!!!!!DESPERATION!!!!!JUST HEARD THAT THE RNC IS PUTTING OUT AN AD IN PA REFERRING TO JEREMIAH WRIGHT

They ran one here in phoenix last night ,, really lame add ..
Got one robo call from the Mclame side and three calls by real people from the Obama side ..

I am ready ,, right in clear site of a polling place (my house) and that side is plastered with Obama signs .. Not a single McCain sign in sight ..

2 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (13:52:54) : But we did send a Special Dispensation out from all of us of the Steeler Nation at Pittsburgh Mudstock that anyone who twirls a cloth of any kind during the game, that it will count as a Terrible Towel.

^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&

ANY FABRIC OR COMPOSITION, BUT IT MUST BE SOLID YELLOW OR GOLD IN COLOR. SORRY BUT NO DISPENSATION FOR COLOR.

2 11 2008
Augie

Marty,
Is this the photo you’re looking for?
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3665

2 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

NO KOOLAID RED TOWELS PLEASE

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Dear Pittsburghers..

While I’m all for pallin around with you guys, Monday night, I will be rootin for my Redskins.. ! Just because im married to a pittsburgher has no bearing on this. Since she can’t name a single Steeler, i think she’s lost her right to root for them anyway.🙂 Oh wait, she can.. Franco Harris.. Nuff Said..!

I have burgundy blood.. just an affliction to living in the DC Area ..

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

The Rev Wright ads are all over VA stations as well — hubby thinks if dems don’t bring on the “witchdoctor”-gate tape, we’ll lose PA and OH, possibly VA, FLA & NC….. somebody talk me down!!

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Augie .. WOW.. YES.. thats the one.. look at them.. There is love and affection that I’ve NEVER SEEN EVER from Barbie.. She doesn’t hold him like that.. She doesn’t smile like that.. She holds him like he’s an inanimate object..

Bristol sure looks like a momma and Levi, bless his heart, looks like a man in that photo and a dad.. And why would he be kissing a kid like that who’s not his ??? Remember, he’s just a kid.. 17-18 years old.. That just would not happen..

2 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

“My wife made me canvas for Obama; here’s what I learned”

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html

2 11 2008
testerm

I am thinking of writing a book about “my faith and the 2008 election”. It’s going to be about how I decided to leave organized religion once and for all because of the stress and pressure put upon me by them. Does anyone know people who can help me write it? I am disgusted of the religious-right and of their claims against Obama. I’m also upset about Prop 8 and their claims that God hates “others”. I am willing to donate 80% of the profits from the book to charity that will help equal rights causes. Get back to me here if you have any ideas. And if akm doesn’t mind please allow me to inquire answers to this comment through you.

2 11 2008
C.Rock

Not sure if posted before: Got this in a email today from Obama.com
Nothing we can not do !

2 11 2008
Augie

Marty,
I agree.

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Tired Mom,

It may be close in all of those states, but I believe he will win them. Don’t forget about the 27 million early votes, and the polls showing these votes breaking for Obama by around 20 points. There have been 2 million early votes in NC alone. That amounts to a big deficit McCain has to overcome.

This Wright stuff is just too little too late. It might make a tiny difference around the margins, but our man will prevail!

2 11 2008
AKaurora

For those who have come to understand our local vernacular, the following funny tidbit appears today in ADN’s Alaska Ear column:

VERBATIM…From a People Magazine interview with Sarah:
Q: Have you traveled with the kids anywhere in the Lower 48?
A: Yes. Many, many, many times. Yes, Yes. We go to Hawaii often.

Heaven help her, she’s so clueless! She named the only state that doesn’t fit the question.

2 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Tired Mom (VA) (14:07:01) : The Rev Wright ads are all over VA stations as well — hubby thinks if dems don’t bring on the “witchdoctor”-gate tape, we’ll lose PA and OH, possibly VA, FLA & NC….. somebody talk me down!!

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It will actually help here us here. When the Repubs see it, they will think it is the Second Coming and stay home in fear on election day, clutching their guns and bibles.

2 11 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

With a 48% unfavorable rating how does Sarah Palin think she has any chance of becoming President in 2012?

If the latest CNN poll shows voters believe they will pay more taxes under McCain than Obama, is the Republican machine not broken?

2 11 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

gotta log off and get back outside to canvas more, ttyl

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

Wright won’t change minds.. if they do, it may be againt McGrumpy for the obvious slanderous attack on a subject discussed and closed and one even McGrimpy said was offlimits..

Obama has too much class to do the same to them and won’t tolerate it.. And certainly they have just as many wackjobs on the repug side. It’;s just class against desparate ignorance.

Murthee anyone?

2 11 2008
paul canning

When Battle Blew up Sarah Palin

Townsfolk in England have delivered their explosive verdict on Sarah Palin, stuffing a giant effigy of the U.S. Republican vice presidential nominee with fireworks and blowing her up to raucous cheers.

Sarah Palin was depicted holding a machine gun, flanked by a moose and Barack Obama.

The unusual display was the climax of an annual bonfire celebration Saturday in the southern town of Battle, where political figures are a favorite target of a local tradition that sees a different icon destroyed each year.

This year’s creation was a rather unflattering depiction of the self-declared “hockey mom,” a machine gun brandished in her muscular arms, bright red lipstick surrounding a grimacing smile and a moose at her side.

Daubed beneath her was the slogan: “Too hot to handle.”

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

@testerm (14:12:35) :

I am thinking of writing a book about “my faith and the 2008 election”.

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I think this is an excellent topic for a book. Not sure what input I have that’s useful, but I was an English major/Theology minor in college, so I’d love to chat about it sometime!

2 11 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

Must sleep, otherwise I’ll never get through Tuesday night… almost Monday here now… I am soooo looking forward to having normal sleep patterns again.

Play nicely Mudpups!

2 11 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird

AKaurora..

kinda funny she goes to Hawaii ‘often’… Wonder who’s payin.. !

The fact she didn’t name one of the lower 48 might have been funny a few months ago, now it’s just , ‘what did you expect’???

2 11 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh (14:05:25) :

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (13:52:54) : But we did send a Special Dispensation out from all of us of the Steeler Nation at Pittsburgh Mudstock that anyone who twirls a cloth of any kind during the game, that it will count as a Terrible Towel.

^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&

ANY FABRIC OR COMPOSITION, BUT IT MUST BE SOLID YELLOW OR GOLD IN COLOR. SORRY BUT NO DISPENSATION FOR COLOR.
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Eyes,

How about if they “imagine” it is “gold” in their “minds eye” if they don’t have actual yellow or gold in their possession? How about we authorize 50% cosmic strength for “imaginary” gold or yellow? How about a special dispensation allowing for that? I think Myron Cope would authorize that! Hummmm Hawwww.

Barack and Michelle do have the special Terrible Towel Mr. Rooney gave them in April. But, of course, he won’t be able to mention it because he needs the Redskin vote too! But maybe he is a secret Steeler fan? Maybe Michelle too? But we fully respect privacy on this very personal issue.

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

It’s not the McC campaign running the ads, but some other repug org. so he’s off the hook, since he doesn’t actually sponsor it.

Hubby thinks this will end up like the “swift boating” of Kerry and dems will end up in the same position as the last two elections. He thinks the undecideds will end up being McC votes, I think its half and half.

ughhhhh I’ll be so glad when Tuesday is over!

2 11 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh (11:52:46) :

WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA REPORT

Yesterday an Obama Campaign worker stopped at our doorstep to hand out info. Later in the day another local Obama worker called our home. Today a third Obama worker hung voting info on our door and we got a friendly informational robo call from the Obama campaign just giving info on where our local polls are.

My Obama sign (and every other one on our street) finally got stolen last night. I picked up replacement signs today for myself and my next door neighbor. I am planning on posting a homemade sign next to it that says “You might steal my signs, but you will not steal this election.”

I also canvassed for the local campaign for several hours myself today. Pittsburgh is in Appalachia. You have to be a mountain goat to walk up all those steep driveways. I am about half done with my assignments. I stopped home to take a little nap and then I’ll be out there again.
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Eyes Wide Open. Thanks for the Report. I saw that the Obama campaign put a bulletin out saying that PA would be McCain’s last stand. I think it is fair to say that McCain has conceded the Western battleground states of NV, CO and NM and is praying to hold onto AZ. It sounds like McCain will be giving up on PA soon. Doesn’t sound like the 72-hour ground game of the RNC is in the same league as the Obama 21-month ground game.

2 11 2008
Sparkleball Lady

@testerm (14:12:35) :

google “Christian Left” and you’ll find lots of interesting information and stories of Christians who just had enough of being herded into un-christ like behavior and practices. Obama is supported by lots of young Christian leaders whose churches formerly supported Republican candidates.

good for you! yes, write, write, write! The more we share the more we grow.

2 11 2008
testerm

Deep blue Va.
Thanks for the response. Is there a way that we can communicate through AKM?? I’d really like to but am unsure of how.

2 11 2008
testerm

Thanks Sparkleball lady I’ll check it out.

2 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

AKaurora (14:16:22) :

Thanks for that – loveaduck! she is clueless!

2 11 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

@testerm (14:29:23) :

Deep blue Va.

You can both go over to the Forum and register there (if you aren’t already) and then send personal messages to get each other’s e-mail address. It’s a great resource!

2 11 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

ANITA (13:30:19) :

DESPERATION!!!!!DESPERATION!!!!!JUST HEARD THAT THE RNC IS PUTTING OUT AN AD IN PA REFERRING TO JEREMIAH WRIGHT
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The RNC and their surrogates have been flooding Nevada with negative campaigning from the Jeremiah wright ads to the fannie mae/freddie mac robo calls to these new commercials that label barack obama as a “dove” who will be afraid and unwilling to protect America against attack. None of it is working. Matter of fact, more Independents are choosing Obama. It is having a reverse effect. Plus, more people are volunteering. Just in the last week we have seen a flood of voluteers from all over the country as far as New York and Alaska to go along with all of the volunteers from neighboring CA,, UT and AZ. The RNC ground game is minor league compared to the Obama ground assault. Voter fraud, Voter suppression, Voter irregularities on Election Day is still a major concern as it is really the only play the RNC has left in their playbook. But, I am sure the Obama campaign is prepared for this, too!

2 11 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

testerm (14:12:35) :

I am thinking of writing a book about “my faith and the 2008 election”. It’s going to be about how I decided to leave organized religion once and for all because of the stress and pressure put upon me by them. Does anyone know people who can help me write it? I am disgusted of the religious-right and of their claims against Obama. I’m also upset about Prop 8 and their claims that God hates “others”. I am willing to donate 80% of the profits from the book to charity that will help equal rights causes. Get back to me here if you have any ideas. And if akm doesn’t mind please allow me to inquire answers to this comment through you.
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I think that would be excellent…except I hope you don’t give up on your faith ( in God), not all Church’s are like Palin’s or extreme right. Maybe you need to find another church or take your faith into your heart?
At these two links are Christians trying to warn others about “Dark Christian” faith.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/114652/6239
http://community.livejournal.com/dark_christian/2008/10/29/
And here is a list of Dominion Churches
http://dark-christian.clanxanadu.org/Organizations/Denominations

I think its important to know who your church is aligned with. Your neighborhood church could be aligned with one of Right wing domininist churches and you might not know. Not all churches are Dominion churches. I don’t go to church, but I am aligned with “Ananda” . I don’t think ANY church should tell you what to vote on, or what to believe besides being a good person and the 10 comanments and helping others in need. YMO.
Please let us know about your book…I would love to read it🙂

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

testerm,

I am registered at the forum as DeepBlue. I would love to hear from you!

2 11 2008
Lee

SUE: You have a truly Christian Deacon.

It is so unfortuante that the Darker Churches are the ones supporting the McCain/Palin ticket. They make it hard for the mainstream church, which has always been more christian.

2 11 2008
CO Almost Native

Ok, read through all the posts so far:

@Jane Doe- great information from Orange County, which all counties did that.

@Deep Blue (katiebegood)- in Colorado, we are beginning to go to permanent mail-in ballots. I filled out a post card requesting mail-in, so now that is how I will vote in all elections. It is a paper ballot that will be scanned; I took it to the polling place and had it stamped “received” and dropped it in the box. It is counted along with the other early voting- this is not statewide, as some of our counties are very small, and not all have uniform machines and procedures. This has been a problem in past elections, and this year of Sec of State (who is a Repug running for the House…hmm…) uncertified and than re-certified electronic machines, then he was told by a federal judge not to purge anyone from the rolls this close to the election- today’s paper quotes him grousing that the judge should not have ruled that way.

@SouthPaw- thanks for the reminder; I will be wearing a true blue (Jayhawks) tee shirt while driving- I call it my stealth Obama shirt-and the candle is still burning (when I’m home, don’t want to roast the dog on accident)

I’ve missed some of the awesome postings because my brain is fried, but a thanks to all who’ve posted great stuff.

2 11 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

“helping others in need. YMO.”
Should be “JMO” sorry

2 11 2008
Mendeltna

I was told at the Glennallen polling place, our librarry, that i could not vote there a few years back when I first moved here. I wasn’t real happy about. I didn’t scream or act out, I have this look, and I did get to vote. I am regestered here. It is not like people don’t know who I am. I made some phone calls after the insident and this year when I went in They said hello, and were a bit nicer. So this time I think it will be ok.

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Tired Mom,

Tell your hubby I saw David Plouffe on one of the Sunday shows talking about how their strategy has always been to build up many paths to victory, viewing each state individually. It has worked beautifully. Right now they can lose several of the close states and still win the election, while McCain has one very narrow path to winning.

It’s too late for Obama to be swiftboated. Voting will be over in about 50 hours. Even if all the undecideds break to McCain (highly unlikely) Obama still has enough of a cushion to win.

I know it’s hard to believe it will really happen, but it will.

2 11 2008
video the vote « angryXer

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2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Here, Tired Mom

You don’t have to take my word for it. Take Chuck Todd’s, NBC’s electoral map guru. Here’s a link to an encouraging article in HuffPo, which includes video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/02/chuck-todd-if-mccain-wins_n_140141.html

2 11 2008
testerm

Injuneau aka…
thanks for the tip. I went there and got a bit overwhelmed. I am not ashamed of saying that I need help to do this. But I will keep trying to get in there. I registered but couldn’t go further yet. I’ll get there eventually. Thanks

2 11 2008
AKaurora

@Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird (14:21:50) :
kinda funny she goes to Hawaii ‘often’… Wonder who’s payin.. !
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Many pasty-skinned Alaskans take advantage of nonstop flights to HI to break up winter. It’s affordable from here, one of the few travel breaks we enjoy. I’m probably one of the few that hasn’t been there, but I’m looking forward to visiting Williamsburg for the first time this weekend! As for SP it just shows that soaking up the rays trumped intellectual curiosity about the rest of the country.

2 11 2008
SC Strike Chipper Sista M Hussein ProAmerican Goodwill Shopper

@katiebegood
I’m sure there is no such law. It’s the same with polling workers telling you that you can’t wear an Obama T-shirt in the polling place. There are zero laws saying you can’t wear a political T-shirt in a polling place

Don’t be too sure. It depends on the state you are in. There IS a law in SC that forbids “campaigning” within 200 ft. of the polling place and that CAN be interpreted to mean an Obama T-shirt, button, you name it. (It has been on the books for about 40 years.) You can be asked to remove it or you could be asked to leave and come back without it. So it could pose a major problem. Best to just not do it, unless you have reviewed what the rules are where you vote!

2 11 2008
Cathy aka Fog Piles

I just ran across quote while looking for something unrelated to the election. Wow, huh? Wish someone would use it in a speech or something!

“We are perpetually being told that what is wanted is a strong man who will do things. What is really wanted is a strong man who will undo things; and that will be the real test of strength.” (J.K Chesterton)

2 11 2008
testerm

Thanks Caligrl…

I will never give up on my faith. But I’m at the point that I have to know there is a God above and rely on the strength and hope in that. And not think of the divisions and ugliness that exist between people and religions.

2 11 2008
CO Almost Native

@HamletsMill- I will have to rummage through my husband’s golf towels to find gold. I have my cherished Rockies Dream Run towel from 2007- a dream come true, indeed- not this year-it is very lucky, but I do not want to offend the football gods…

@testerm-
You might want to look at Focus on the Family; it isn’t a religion/church per se, but a dark religious/evangelical/conservative group. I’ll try to remember the web site that is connected to the Clarion Fund- a secret group that has/still is working to install a theocracy, for want of a better word.

My hope is someone/group will work hard to wrest control of the Republican Party from the radical fundamentalists; when I was growing up in Nebraska, Republicans were fiscal conservatives and social moderates- they were not in favor of imposing religious views on others in the form of laws.

2 11 2008
Sparkleball Lady

Testerm, I was cruising and stopped at Politico– an article there on Christian Left Supporting Obama http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15166.html

2 11 2008
Tom from PA

Obama has promised savings by using the technological techniques learned in the campaign and applying it to the federal government. He also promised increased campaign reform.
If we can do our banking online, complete with PIN numbers and all the other safeguards, why is it not possible to vote online. For those techically challenged, they can vote by mail or at the polling booths. It would certainly go a long way to decreasing lines and increasing voter participation. If there is also early voting, all the glitches in registration etc. can be worked out well in advance and your vote can be reviewed before pressing enter.

2 11 2008
Bobg

Alaska: Begich 58, Stevens 36. (Research 2000)

Hagan beating Dole by 14%

2 11 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

@testerm (14:47:43) :

As I recall, you’ll have to wait for a confirmation e-mail from the Forum “gods” and then you can get in. There’s lots of good stuff in there, but don’t feel overwhelmed. Once you get in, go to the Members section (partway down the left side), find DeepBlue in the list, and click on the ID. From DeepBlue’s profile page you’ll be able to send a personal message, and then you’re off and running. Don’t feel shy about asking for help here or there. Mudpuppies are a very welcoming, friendly, helpful bunch, and there is always someone around who will help.

2 11 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

CO Almost Native (14:52:44) :

@HamletsMill- I will have to rummage through my husband’s golf towels to find gold. I have my cherished Rockies Dream Run towel from 2007- a dream come true, indeed- not this year-it is very lucky, but I do not want to offend the football gods…
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Truly a thoughtful approach. Sorry about the Rockies this year. But I will openly admit that we have discovered no cosmic power yet to have any effect whatsoever on the situation with the Pirates. Of course, Sarah got it all wrong about congratulating the Phillies in Erie, PA. She got booed but I guess it all went over her head. Maybe that will do something for the Pirates?

2 11 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

testerm (14:52:25) :

Thanks Caligrl…

I will never give up on my faith. But I’m at the point that I have to know there is a God above and rely on the strength and hope in that. And not think of the divisions and ugliness that exist between people and religions.
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I think your book could bring a lot of thought and hope to people who have found themselves in this same position during this election. My DH is a Christian and he says I am not like Palin ! For him its, What would Jesus do? It has just recently (to me) been revealed about “Dark Christianity” “focus on family” etc. And I hope this (knowlege, of the dark christian movenment) brings hope to Christians who have said, Jesus wouldn’t Do that!!!
Looking forward to your book!
Also if you notice, Barack is a very spiritual person. He has no need to walk around saying “I’m a Christian” like so many of these JM/SP supporters do. He takes the high road…he is grounded in his spiritual life. He is a GOOD person. He CARES about his fellow man. He trys to follow…”WHAT Would JESUS do”?
He does not claim to be perfect…in front of God or any man, he just IS!

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

Thanks Deep Blue and all my puppies!!!!

I can always count on someone here to talk some sense!! I agree whole-heartedly … the early voters and young voters will make the difference!

Am trying to do chores and stuff all day today – doing better than usual – as I limit myself to 5 mins at the Flats at a time – must go do dishes – back in a few.

2 11 2008
Skinny That One

Touching story out of North Carolina. “My Wife Made Me Canvass for Obama and this is What I Learned”

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html

2 11 2008
White Agate

My two-year old is running around saying ‘Rock abama!’ Kinda cute. Breathing, handing out fliers, thinking good thoughts….

2 11 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

O.K. i understand obama’s plan to curb the offshoring of American jobs by halting tax breaks for corporations that practice offshoring. But, I still have not heard from the Obama camp as to how they plan to curb corporations that are giving away American jobs to foreign nationals here on American soil through the H1-B visa program. Will the Bill Gates of the world be able to continue to undercut the American worker through the H1-B visa program, or will Obama put an end to this madness?

An Obama presidency can create 10 million new jobs and curb the offshoring of these new jobs, but if he does not police the H1-B visa program it is possible that a large chunk of the new jobs Obama creates could go to foreign nationals on U.S. soil through the H1-B visa program. It is what happened under the Clinton presidency. Clinton created a ton of new jobs but too many were offshored or given to foreign nationals through the H1-B visa program. Can anyone talk me down?

2 11 2008
Lighthouse (CO)

Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh (14:11:34) :

“My wife made me canvas for Obama; here’s what I learned”

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html
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This is a great story! And the hope that Barack Obama is spreading is part of MY response to conservative Christians who want me to vote my moral values in spite of what else the candidates might stand for.

Thanks for sharing that

2 11 2008
Ennealogic

There are so many touching, wonderful stories about this election.

@EyesWideOpen, thank you for sharing the link to the CSMonitor story. It’s incredible.

Phone banking’s done for today. My blue candle (a good deep blue) burns inside the window of my house in light pink WV. O’Pumpkin is out on the front porch, glowing sweetly at any passersby. And my new camcorder’s batteries are charged up and ready in case I get a chance to participate in Video the Vote.

Two days to go. I’m looking up sweet potato pecan pie recipes, and plan to make some of those to eat once this is all over. 🙂

2 11 2008
Ennealogic

Ack, sorry bout the sloppy link in the last post. :\

2 11 2008
Skinny That One

Eyes Wide Open. I can picture traipsing up those long Appalachia hills. Reminds me of my UPS helper days in Aspen, Colorado, years ago. The plus side is that after it was all over, I was trim and fit. Thanks for all the work you are doing in PA.

2 11 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

testerm (14:52:25) :

Here is another website that might be interesting to you.
The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
http://www.theocracywatch.org/index.html

I have never been this politically active until this election, and since I am not a “Christian” I have not been aware of these “DARK Christian” churches. But since this has played such a large part of this election….learning about them has been very interesting indeed.
8)

2 11 2008
Robalo

In my state, guess where, (we’re still bigger than y’all…), such behavior as you are advocating ) is considered flat out ILLEGAL (“Everyone who goes to vote, and has the technology to do it, should document their experience. “:

ELECTION CODE

TITLE 6. CONDUCT OF ELECTIONS

CHAPTER 61. CONDUCT OF VOTING GENERALLY

SUBCHAPTER A. GENERAL PROVISIONS
Ҥ 61.013. USE OF CERTAIN DEVICES. (a) A person may not
use a wireless communication device within 100 feet of a voting
station.
(b) A person may not use any mechanical or electronic means
of recording images or sound within 100 feet of a voting station.
(c) The presiding judge may require a person who violates
this section to turn off the device or to leave the polling place.
(d) This section does not apply to:
(1) an election officer in conducting the officer’s
official duties; or
(2) the use of election equipment necessary for the
conduct of the election.

Added by Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 697, § 1, eff. September 1, 2007.

Note the date this added Act was enacted above.

Where?
If y’all guessed it’s The Peoples Republic of Texas, you win an (R) autographed cow chip.

Electioneering, etc. is also prohibited within 100′ of the doors of the polling places. So…, while waiting in a long line, I had to endure looking at several very large, strategically placed McTanic/Paloopy signs; visible straight out the open front doors of the county courthouse, in the windows of the business across the road (prolly just slightly over 100′ away).
Wilkommen volk.
.

2 11 2008
Lee

Lighthouse: Wonderful post. Thank you for all the effort, and for shareing.

2 11 2008
Bea

Some disturbing news from Radford, VA:

Student Voting Challenged in VA
Students at Radford University in Virginia got some bad news recently– the local county registrar’s office informed them that they were ineligible to vote because they listed their dormitory addresses on their voter registration application.

The county registrar, Tracy Howard, told a local newspaper in October that “a dorm is generally–and I say generally–the same thing as a long-term motel stay.” Some students who had registered using their school address had been sent postcards asking them to re-state their “home” address, and those that replied with dormitory addresses again were disqualified. Other students received no requests for clarification, and though they submitted applications more than a month in advance of the deadline, were notified of their ineligibility a week after it had passed.

more at link: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/379334/student_voting_challenged_in_va

I think the registrar of Radford needs to hear from us Mudpups on this outrage:

REGISTRAR
Tracy Howard
106 A Arlington Avenue
Radford, Virginia

email: radfordelections@jetbroadband.com

(540)-731-3639

2 11 2008
Tired Mom (VA)

AKaurora (14:48:21) :

Welcome to the neighborhood! Glad you are visiting VA, Williamsburg is lovely, wonderfully quaint and historic, also great shopping. While in the area, please visit Jamestown, where our nation as we know it started. It’s worth the time investment. Weather is still nice during the days here (50s-60ish). I sound like a tourism commerical🙂

2 11 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

Big Al from Las Vegas (15:23:01) :
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I thought he was going to give businesses tax cuts that keep jobs here?
“An Obama presidency can create 10 million new jobs and curb the offshoring of these new jobs, but if he does not police the H1-B visa program it is possible that a large chunk of the new jobs Obama creates could go to foreign nationals on U.S. soil through the H1-B visa program. It is what happened under the Clinton presidency. Clinton created a ton of new jobs but too many were offshored or given to foreign nationals through the H1-B visa program. Can anyone talk me down?”
I am not familar with H1-B, but this is a excellent question, maybe you could email his Senate email and ask? Maybe someone here knows how to ask this question of him?

2 11 2008
WV Democrat

@ HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (15:05:28) :

Truly a thoughtful approach. Sorry about the Rockies this year. But I will openly admit that we have discovered no cosmic power yet to have any effect whatsoever on the situation with the Pirates. Of course, Sarah got it all wrong about congratulating the Phillies in Erie, PA. She got booed but I guess it all went over her head. Maybe that will do something for the Pirates?
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Pirates? Not gonna happen as long as they are owned by the Rethugican Nuttings. As for all the lies they have printed in their 112 newspapers, I wouldn’t go to Pirate game, buy Pirate gear, nor go to Seven Springs. They don’t mind taking Democrat money but they sure do lie about them in their news. Talk about biased! They are so far right as to make Robertson seem centrist.

2 11 2008
shoeho

Well, it’s Sunday night here in the swing state of FL.

I live in a very, very red district.

My DH is not party affiliated (he’s a real New England Yankee and considers it nobody’s business). I’m registered D.

So far, the ONLY R phonecall we’ve gotten***drumroll***was from the guy who used to be our county commissioner now running for state senate.

We’ve had at least ten calls from the Obama campaign or the state Dem party, most directed to the DH as the unaffiliated voter.

Way to go, R’s! I gotta say, I’d have to give the ground game to the D’s. NO ONE I know has gotten a call from a McCain supporter or the state/national GOP. Let’s hope they keep screwing up.

2 11 2008
katiebegood

Big Al from Las Vegas (15:23:01) :

O.K. i understand obama’s plan to curb the offshoring of American jobs by halting tax breaks for corporations that practice offshoring. But, I still have not heard from the Obama camp as to how they plan to curb corporations that are giving away American jobs to foreign nationals here on American soil through the H1-B visa program. Will the Bill Gates of the world be able to continue to undercut the American worker through the H1-B visa program, or will Obama put an end to this madness?

I have total faith that Obama will do away with the abuses of the H1-B visa program. Give him some time, though. He has an awful lot of messes he’s going to have to clean up first. But, keep the faith and write him to let him know how you feel about the situation. I’m going to do it. I was a programmer and haven’t seen a programming job in a long time due to the H1 Visas.

2 11 2008
ira2

Hey guess what :o) My neighbor (the only one in sight I have) just stopped by with her pup fora visit, and we got to touch on politics (I had to tell her about the kool-aid-drenched fiasco yesterday) and she said, well, she already voted and she voted for Obama!!

YAY THERESA!!!

She’s apparently bucked the local “system” with her vote though. She told me that most people around here just will not vote for “a black guy and muslim”. *Sigh*. I’m so glad that I don’t participate in the local social scene. I’d never survive it – or else I’d get arrested for not letting others survive it.

At least knowing that my only semi-regular social contact voted Obama and now I won’t have to move after all :o)

2 11 2008
Deep Blue in VA

ira2,

“She’s apparently bucked the local “system” with her vote though. She told me that most people around here just will not vote for “a black guy and muslim”. *Sigh*”.

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You never know what people will do. My 82-year-old neighbor still considers it polite to use the word “colored” and will also use the n-word occasionally, but he and his wife already voted for Obama.

Know hope.

2 11 2008
katiebegood

One thing about this election that is puzzling me is the negative attitude Rachel Maddow has had towards the election for quite some time. I heard her on David Bender’s Air America show today and she actually said she thinks that McCain has a good chance of winning. She didn’t even say “winning by stealing the election”. She did point out to the problem with long lines at polling places and saying that can affect the outcome of the election. I do agree with her on that one, but I am confused as to why she is so negative. Two weeks ago she was actually predicting that McCain was going to win.

I wonder what she is going to say if it turns out to be a landslide? Oops…that was a nice surprise?

2 11 2008
shoeho

H1 B visas–these go to professionals who have skills needed in the US.

About 20 years back–well, maybe 15, now that i think of it–I worked with an organization interviewing nurses from overseas to work in the US. We were in the midst of a nurse shortage, especially at hospitals in less than great neighborhoods. The person has to have an offer from a legit US business, and when I worked in the field, it HAS to be a professional field in which there is a shortage of US workers.

Today, engineering is a good example Unfortunately many of the engineers we train today in US universities are not US citizens. We have about the best training, but not many US citizens choose that field for whatever reason. We need the skills, therefore the jobs may go to non-citizens.

2 11 2008
portland oregon native

Thanks for the article from the CSM.
HOPE, yes that is what we are working for, contributing to, and trying to insure for our future and the future of our children.
The pictures of Barack and Michelle Obama together, and with their children are very informative. Sometimes a picture is worth a 1000 words. Here is a wonderful family that loves and respects each other.
It will be wonderful to have such a great example to us all living in the White House again. I am grateful that they are willing to make the sacrifice of service for the American people.

2 11 2008
UK Lady Turning Turtle Annette AKA UK Lady

Does anybody have any recent info on the Michele Bachman v Tinklenburg race? Would love to see her lose badly.

2 11 2008
shoeho

Re Rachel Maddow. I think she’s just afraid to hope that it will come true. Sorta that “I better keep my expectations really, really low so I’m not crushed if it doesn’t happen” thing.

2 11 2008
Tom from PA

Our local television station reported that there were hundreds of screaming supporters at the John McCain rally in Perkasie, PA yesterday.
Today there was a reported 60,000 people at the Columbus rally for Obama and it appears that the Cleveland rally was far larger.

2 11 2008
White Agate

Ick. Just got a live scripted call from a GOP-affiliated group, sounded like a volunteer. ‘Dem smear campaign, Obama is not who he says he is, raising taxes, spreading the wealth around, no jobs created, no future for our country.’ I asked her about HER ‘smear campaign’ and told her to take me off her list.

Bleah.

2 11 2008
shoeho

Re Michelle Bachmann–last I saw is about a week old, they were in a dead heat. Not bad considering no one gave Elwyn Tinklenburg a snowball’s chance in Hades until she shot her mouth off on national teevee.

2 11 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

Off to the Obama office to deliver some cookies. Will be delivering a loaf of bread later when it’s done in the machine. Gotta keep the troops fed.

2 11 2008
testerm

Caligrl H…
Thanks again. I will look up everything when I wake up. I couldn’t sleep good last night and now I suddenly have to get some sleep. Will review the thread when I wake up. Mudpuppies are the best. Thanks for all the strength you give me.

2 11 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

NEW THREAD on convicTED!

2 11 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

shoeho (15:53:06) :

H1 B visas–these go to professionals who have skills needed in the US.

About 20 years back–well, maybe 15, now that i think of it–I worked with an organization interviewing nurses from overseas to work in the US. We were in the midst of a nurse shortage, especially at hospitals in less than great neighborhoods. The person has to have an offer from a legit US business, and when I worked in the field, it HAS to be a professional field in which there is a shortage of US workers.

Today, engineering is a good example Unfortunately many of the engineers we train today in US universities are not US citizens. We have about the best training, but not many US citizens choose that field for whatever reason. We need the skills, therefore the jobs may go to non-citizens.
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Shoeho,

Thanks for the Clinton-Bush justification of the H1-B visa program. I like katiebegood have seen the underbelly of the H1-B visa program in which corporations use the H1-B visa program to hire foreign nationals that will work for less than American workers. I have seen this primarily in high tech but I am sure it happens in other fields like research. There are plenty of programmers qualified for these high tech jobs that are U.S. citizens, but they do not even get to interview for the jobs because the Bill Gates of the the world already have their H1-B allocations reserved from the federal gov’t thanks to their lobby power. So, it is not a matter of not enough Americans being qualified for these jobs it’s about the lobbying power of U.S. corporations to undercut American workers by hiring H1-B’s at a cheaper rate. Again, maybe this is primarily in high-tech, but my assumption is there are other industries like research where the H1-B visa program is undercutting the American worker here on U.S. soil.

2 11 2008
More Light than Heat

@ Big Al
Part of the problem, tho certainly not all, is that we’ve not been turning out the required number of engineers. It’s particularly a concern in the aerospace industry, where a significant number of engineers are approaching retirement age. And it’s a growing problem for those companies who depend on engineers to develop next generation military equipment. US citizenship is required, and for some that’s not enough if parents are from an “unfriendly” country. These are jobs that we don’t want to have to outsource!

I’m not recommending that our education system do what some countries do and route people into certain fields based on a standardized test, but somehow we need to make sure that the distribution of degrees is appropriate to our needs.

B-school is too often seen as the easy route to high-paying jobs. Perhaps the collapse of the finance sector will bring some much-needed realignment of priorities.

When I lived in Las Vegas, the engineering project I worked on used some H1-B folks who had the right combination of skills and experience. The numbers were fairly small, although there were also people who’d been born elsewhere, come to this country and gained citizenship. I realize it’s more of a problem with IT work.

I wonder how much is a reflection of the overall state of our education system. Take a good look at the student population of many universities and especially at grad schools in technical fields. There are many, many foreign students. In the UC system here in CA, admission is guaranteed to the top 10% of h.s. grads. And Asian students are disproportionately represented compared to the population at large. When my own kids griped at the number of Asian and immigrant kids who made the honor roll at their h.s., I pointed out to them that these groups were under represented on the sports teams. I don’t think that was a coincidence.

2 11 2008
katiebegood

Deep Blue in VA (13:05:16) :

katiebegood,

I have no experience voting by mail, but by all accounts it has worked beautifully in Oregon. I think it bears looking at for a national model. I has driven up turnout in Oregon, hasn’t it?

Yes, Oregon and now Washington have some of the highest turnout rates in the country.

I hope it becomes the law of the land. That is the only thing I can think of that will solve the problem. Besides being easy for the voter, it is also out of the hands of partisan “Registrar of Voters” or Secretary of State who cause so many problems in voting today.

The only criticism I have ever heard about vote by mail is that a dominating husband or wife could fill out the ballot for the spouse and make them sign it. My response to that is if that person is so easily intimidated, I’m pretty sure they are voting the way their spouse wants when they walk into the voting booth.

2 11 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child (11:20:35) :

Is there any reason why we don’t vote on weekends? Anyone know?
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Probably has to do with sabbath breaking concerns. Jewish and Seventh Day Adventist sabbath is Saturday (probably others). And Sunday would be just sooooo wrong — how could you ask people to pick between going to church and voting?
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There are always going to be religious issues with voting on Friday, Saturday or Sunday. But those people can always put in a postal vote.

2 11 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

AK turning bluer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/
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AK is now a dark pink………GO ALASKA………..you moved a little closer to blue today

2 11 2008
mare

Hey all: CNN also has a voter hotline where you can report problems: 1-877-GO-CNN-08.

And yes, I too hope everyone is out calling for Obama! I am! Whoo hoo!

2 11 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Big Al from Las Vegas (16:02:48) :
The problem with the H1-B visa program is the way it is abused, not the program itself.

I think a big part of the problem may be the lack of unionization in the high-tech and engineering fields. Union representation tends to lead to greater transparency by employers in how they make hiring decisions. That, and people think that a two year college program will get them the “high-tech”, high paying job they want. Not if you’re competing with someone with top marks and maybe multiple degrees from a top overseas or US university. And they may not even have had to take out student loans to get that degree.

2 11 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

Mary Beth (12:44:29) :

I know Oklahoma is a red state, but you wouldn’t have guessed that Saturday morning
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I was so inspired by your post that I sent the viral cnnnbc email “Obama lost the election by one vote” to my friend in OKC.

2 11 2008
Sparky

NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
we’re waiting for you!🙂

2 11 2008
jbrinkmeyer

Got notice tonight that my tickets for the Obama wing ding downtown Chicago will be arriving in my inbox tomorrow night between six and seven. Yes, O envious ones, I have tickets for what could prove to be the most undulant celebration Chicago has ever seen. What will make it even more delicious is knowing that (at least for now) the evil Snow Queen (that’s our Ms. Palin) has been thwarted in her design to take over the world.

Go, Obama, go!!

jbrinkmeyer
http://sarahpalinwatch.blogspot.com

2 11 2008
califpat

I have just taken time to make hundreds of calls to get volunteers out for Barack Obama and a man in Asheville, North Carolina expressed concern when he went to the polls to vote and that on the ballots were a choice to ” Vote Straight Democrat” or ” Vote Straight Republicans”. But he asserted that there is a separate part on the ballot that is down further on the ballot where a voter has to vote for Barack Obama or John McCain. The voter said that the poll workers were supposed to warn the voters that there were two parts to the ballot. He said that in his city the poll workers did tell the voters that they were to be careful, because voting “Straight Democrat” or ” Straight Republican” does not select your choice for the President. The voter said he was concerned that in other parts of Indiana where they have these same ballots that voters will not know that they are not voting for their perspective presidential elect when they vote ” Straight Democrat” or ” Straight Republican”. He was worried that other poll workers in other parts of Indiana would not let voters know that there are two parts to the ballot and if the voters are not aware that these two parts exist, they will think that they have voted for their choice President when they vote ” Straight Democrat” or ” Straight Republican” and that this is not the case. The voter was quite worried and wanted to know how to warn other citizens of Indiana about this.

2 11 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Another report from Western PA

I live about 5 miles from Murtha’s district. What Murtha said about rednecks is essentially true for many in the population. However, he has brought a lot of jobs and money to a district that has substantial population below the poverty line. In truth he is pretty corrupt and has played some nasty games with non-profits and defense spending. He is getting old. The Dem party in the state isn’t exactly a model of probity either so getting a replacement hasn’t been possible. I think he will win, but not by the margin he had before.

My district, the 3rd is going to turn out their 8 term Repub rep for a woman, Kathy Dahlkemper. They are both from Erie and Erie has gone seriously blue. This is a good example of how redistricting isn’t exactly working as planned.

Many Republicans in the area are going to vote Obama. There are quite a few fundies and the Catholic church in the area is busy guilt tripping the parishioners. However, the unions are doing person to person with their membership. People who were very anti-Obama during the primaries have stopped talking but I have noticed a lot of names on the Obama call lists when I was working.

We have been robo-called to death and people don’t answer any more. I noticed when calling that some small group have turned their phones to fax when out. We had 4 robos today (better than the last few) and a survey. Didn’t answer any. So I would have my doubts about any PA polling. I doubt that they can get a reliable sample any more.

I had a lot of Slippery Rock U students on my call list yesterday and they are very enthused but worried about long lines. The county did create more polling places and larger areas for them so at least that has been worked on. They take training very seriously here so I don’t worry about that.

2 11 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod

Hick Town in W PA (16:32:28) :

Another report from Western PA
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Thanks so much for your detailed report! And thanks for making those calls!
hHh

2 11 2008
braveny

Great Article on the differences between Obama vs McCain healthcare plans:

The Case for Obama: Healthcare by Rob J.

“I support Barack Obama’s campaign for the Presidency. Over the next several weeks, I will post a series of articles laying out Barack Obama’s position on the issues that matter most to me and discuss how those positions differ from – and are better than – John McCain’s. I start with Obama’s healthcare proposal. Senator Obama’s proposal is a move toward universal healthcare. As a primer, most developed nations – and many developing nations – have universal healthcare. According to the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine, the United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not provide universal healthcare. It is also one of the only nations in North and South America that does not provide universal healthcare (Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Cuba and Uruguay all have universal healthcare). Universal healthcare is available to citizens of 34 European countries (including the U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Russia), 15 countries in Asia and the Middle East (including China, Hong Kong, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, South Korea and Taiwan), and all of Australia and New Zealand. These countries have varying forms of government and their healthcare programs work to varying degrees, but the point is that the U.S. stands almost as an island in the developed world as a country without universal healthcare. About 47 million Americans do not have health insurance.”

Rest of the article at below link:

.http://opinionstreams.com/blog/?p=24

2 11 2008
califpat

Jbrinkmeyer:
You are so lucky and I am so envious, but have a wonderful time. This is historical.

2 11 2008
deb in oregon

I am convinced this is the most important election in our lifetime. We are witnessing a profound change in this country. The people are taking their country back and come November 4 tears will be streaming down my eyes when it is official—BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Obama will be vindicated, we will be vindicated. This country was founded on “we the people”, not the rich elite and we’re taking it back. That’s our strength, that’s are resolve, that’s our greatness. YES WE CAN.

2 11 2008
Amused and Bewildered

There’s another initiative called “Video YOUR Vote” as well, sponsored by PBS and People for the American Way: http://www.videoyourvote.org/

2 11 2008
Amused and Bewildered

If you experience or see any problems at the polls, please call 1-866-OUR-VOTE! Also, please check out the voter information thread on the forum. Lots of great information about poll closing times, potential dangers of straight ticket voting in several states and other things to look out for: http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,281.0.html

2 11 2008
Jan Marie

THEY ARE SUPPRESSING THE VOTE IN OHIO!!
THEY ARE SUPPRESSING THE VOTE IN OHIO!!!!
MY NIECE WHO IS IN HER FORTIES AND VOTED IN THE PRIMARIES, WENT TO THE ELECTION BOARD FOR EARLY VOTING. SHE WAS TOLD THAT HER NAME WAS NOT LISTED ALTHOUGH HER HUSBAND AND THEIR 2 ADULT SONS WERE LISTED.

THEY GAVE HER A ‘ PROVISIONAL BALLOT’…WE CALLED THE BOE AND THEY COULD NOT FIND HER NAME AS A REGISTERED VOTER.

WE KNOW HER VOTE WIL NOT BE COUNTED BECAUSE THEY HAVE REMOVED HER NAME FROM REGISTERED VOTERS.

PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP…..HELP…HELP…HELP…

THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN…WILL THEY STEAL THIS ELECTION???????

JAN IN CLEVELAND OHIO

2 11 2008
Bea

Jan Marie (17:52:06) :

THEY ARE SUPPRESSING THE VOTE IN OHIO!!

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Please re-post this on the new thread now up (click “Home” at the top of the page)

Also, be SURE to call your local Obama office and let them know what happened!!

2 11 2008
Krubozumo Nyankoye

testerm (14:12:35)

Go to richarddawkins.net register and post your inquiry in the forums. You will get many interested and interesing replies. Also post a synopsis of your story in convert’s corner under the community link.

2 11 2008
Baseball Hussein Daytona Palin (CT)

Hello Marty,

Your voting regulations ideas rock! I especially love the receipt idea! Pure genius.

Even though I live in a small town in CT and have been voting here since I was 18, I still have to show the little old lady volunteers (whom I know personally) my ID, and I see NOTHING wrong with that.

I don’t know all the answers, but you are on the right track!

2 11 2008
CindyPDX

WOW! thank you for the Youtube video link AKM!

This year I’ve seen HUGE lines in various states like in FL, and GA etc. Some having to wait 4-8 hours just to vote! It angers me to know end to see these people suffer.

I live in OREGON, which has had VBM (Vote By MAIL) since 1999. It has saved our state MILLIONS of dollars, and voter turnout has increased threefold. Washington State also has had it in place for MOST of their state since 1993.

I easily cast my vote on my ballot and mailed it in SIGNED, SEALED, DELIVERED

I really hope those people I saw in GA get the right to have their say and vote in this election. It’s crazy and unfair what these people have to go through. Watching what I’ve seen so far this year, again makes me feel like we live in some third world country. Why can’t we fix this? WHO IS BLOCKING our right to vote? Don’t answer.. I already know…

Oh, did you all see that video called UNcounted? (not to be confused by Recounted)
Another eye opener for all to see…

2 11 2008
katiebegood

CindyPDX (18:39:36) :
This year I’ve seen HUGE lines in various states like in FL, and GA etc. Some having to wait 4-8 hours just to vote! It angers me to know end to see these people suffer.
I live in OREGON, which has had VBM

I too live in Oregon and I also think that vote by mail is the solution to our deteriorating voting system. I don’t know if this change can be made on a national level or if it has to be state by state. I do know that the Republicans will fight it tooth and nail. If the entire country voted by mail, it would take away their ability to disenfranchise voters. The latest, which made me want to cry, is some Republican Registrar of Voters decided in Virginia that students couldn’t declare their dorm as their voting address. The state law has declared that students can declare their dorm as their address, but this person decided to ignore that and they are successfully stopping students from voting.

2 11 2008
cecilia

I live in Oregon. We have mail-in balloting. I don’t understand why every state does not have this. It is so much more civilized. Great video.

2 11 2008
califpat

I dont know if anyone has posted this but I just saw Rachel Maddow show the Alaskan rally where everyone wore red, white and blue and made the human Obama symbol. It was, once again beautiful, and I was so proud to see that Rachel had picked it up so the whole world could see it. Thanks again Alaska for such beautiful political creativity.

2 11 2008
Etaksew - AK

This is my first post to the Mf, tho’ I’ve been glued to this site ever since my first rally with the AK Women Reject Palin. It has been such a fantastic resource in so many ways..politically, logistically and most of all, spiritually!

At the moment I am hoping some mudpups out there will have some much needed insight about poll work.

I recently signed on to work a full shift at an Anchorage poll for the first time and am looking for a little feedback from anyone else who has signed up to work at a polling place this election.

I’ve found it very curious that the Board of Elections (BOE) has provided absolutely no training for this responsibility. Besides a cursory acceptance letter, there hasn’t been so much as a pamphlet on the matter. The person who is the lead at my polling spot told me in a phone call that the state would have to pay me if I attended training so that’s why they don’t offer it (I’m not in this for the money, I just want to help make sure people get to vote). I really want to do a good job and find it strange to receive so little guidance from the BOE. The lead told me they’d show me what to do on site this Tuesday.

Like I said, I just want to make sure people get to vote and maybe the work is so easy that training really isn’t necessary. Seems like there ought be a little more to it though, especially with this election.

I would really appreciate hearing of other folks’ experiences or suggestions in this matter.

Happy Voting🙂

2 11 2008
Hilo Rain

Bein lurkering on this site for a long time. Thank you all, and thank you for sharing this wonderful video and site. Happy Voting!

2 11 2008
mimi

I plan to participate in the video your vote campaign – looking forward to talking to people outside the 100 foot perimeter. We might all want to have with us the phone number for the national Election Protection Hotline – 1-866-687-8683 whether we video or not. If you see any election irregularities you can contact them immediately.

2 11 2008
mimi

Here is a handy reference about employers responsibility to give workers time off to vote. Laws differ by state but there is a dandy list of states and the requirements.

http://www.toolkit.com/news/newsDetail.aspx?nid=02-075voting

2 11 2008
hopenotfear

I really enjoy this blog. Check out this temp site I put up as a way to channel my anxiety over this election.

http://hopenotfear.wordpress.com/

Mudflats is mentioned under Alaska Speaks

2 11 2008
dowl

South Side Chicago

Thank you caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin (11:03:18) :

I know that I should not be shocked at the absolute igorance of McCain supporters, but I am…

If Obama wins . . .
Halloween-day rally for John McCain in Columbus, Ohio, ANP asked McCain supporters a simple question: If Barack Obama is elected president, what will it say about America?
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2696

To: tired mom–I needed the bright pick up of encouragement! Thanks!

2 11 2008
dowl

South Side Chicago
FYI the picture was on Huffington Post among a slide show of Piper and Trig Palin. Hope this helps–I know it’s late and you might have the photo now.

Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird (13:58:32) :

Brit.. i think the key was when someone pointed out a photo with Bristol holding trig and levi, aka, probably the daddy, kissing him on the head.. why would a kid be kissing the child of his future mother in law?

I’ve tried to find that post and photo and haven’t been able to. So maybe it was a rumor.. but it makes sense if it’s true..

3 11 2008
dsr

can’t beleive they’re bringing up the rev. wright thing at this late date. i bet mccain does know about that ad. he has sure ran a dirty campaign after saying he wouldn’t. what kind of american is that…one that lies.
i hope people don’t fall for this and know it is desperation at this late date
go obama/biden
and i agree about mccain picking palin…who will he pick if he gets in?? more people not qualified….

3 11 2008
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3 11 2008
SamON

Regarding voting by mail …

here are the six quick, simple, easy-to-understand points, as detailed by Kuhns, as to why VBM is a very bad idea..

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6003

3 11 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Bea:
Don’t know if you’re on yet today. Just wanted to let you know that I got a (IMHO rude) response from Tracey Radford. I guess those students aren’t getting any love in Virginia. My e-mail and the response are below.

To: radfordelections@jetbroadband.com
Subject: Disenfranchising students

———–
Ms. Radford,
Disenfranchising university students is illegal. The Supreme Court ruled in 1971 that students may register to vote where they attend school, and the Virginia state board of elections explicitly states that a dormitory may constitute a valid address. It is not a long-term motel stay. And even if it is, are you suggesting that those who are temporarily otherwise homeless should not have the right to vote? This constitutes discrimination. I trust you will act immediately to rectify this matter so that students in your county will be able to cast ballots for the candidates of their choice.

A concerned voter,

Supreme Court. No they didn’t. They case they continue to spout was in Texas, and simply affirmed jurisdiction of a texas court to have made the ruling.

SBE, No it doesn’t. The SBE says a Dorm room can, as in might be a residence for voting, but only if the students is actually domiciled within that dorm room. Most aren’t. Gaining domicile means abandoning the previous domicile. you can’t have two.

No I’m not. EVERY person has somewhere they can claim domicile, the issue is NO PERSON may have more than one.

Each individual has remedy under VA law, Not ONE took advantage of that remedy.

Please contact Your General Assembly member and have this fixed in January.

Thank you.

3 11 2008
Carol(Chicago,IL)

I will be watching SNL, as well




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