Ted Stevens Trial Resumes

27 10 2008

Well, it’s Monday, and the Alaskan “trial of the century” resumes. Apparently, Juror #4, who left Washington D.C. last week because of the death of her father, could not be reached over the weekend, leaving the Judge to appoint one of the four alternate jurors to take her place.

The jury must now go back to square one, and begin their deliberations over again about whether Senator Ted Stevens is guilty of seven felony indictments for failure to disclose more than $250,000 in gifts and home renovations on his Senate disclosure forms. Two full days of deliberation are lost, but the trial will now continue.

Although it’s impossible to tell exactly where they were in their deliberations before losing – and then regaining – a juror, the jury appears to be moving at a pretty fast clip so far. They got the case Wednesday afternoon and sent Sullivan a note Thursday afternoon asking to go home a little early and saying they had reviewed all of the instructions.

It was a positive development for the jury, which has had more than its share of theatrics since it began its deliberations. The judge took note.

“Everyone was smiling, everyone seems to be in a good mood this morning,” the judge said. “No one appeared to be agitated or displeased. That’s all I have to say.”

Their first day of deliberations last week, jurors asked to go home early because they were stressed and needed “clarity.” The second day, Thursday, 11 of the jurors complained in a note about a 12th juror and asked her to be removed from the panel for being rude and prone to “violent outbursts with other jurors.” The judge resolved the problem with a stern lecture on civility and the jurors left Thursday afternoon, seemingly in harmony.

While it’s fairly common for juries to proceed and reach a verdict with only 11 jurors, less than that is almost unheard of. It’s possible that Judge Sullivan decided to place an alternate, rather than proceeding with 11 jurors, in case Juror #9 acts up again and ends up being removed.


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27 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

Lets hope the jurors get it done this week.

27 10 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

Close to second?

27 10 2008
suchanut

I heard Mark Begich on KUDO this morning. I can’t imagine how awful it must be to try to debate someone through an intermediary! I hope this jury works efficiently and that juror #9 is finished with the theatrics.

27 10 2008
Lulu

I want Begich to have a good shot. I donated to his campaign! Please, Stevens trial, stay on track!

27 10 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

I feel for those jurors who lost two days of deliberations. I just want this thing to get finished and Begich to really have a chance in this!

27 10 2008
mudslide pike

Jurors in Sen. Ted Stevens’ corruption trial have discovered a mistake the Justice Department apparently made in the Alaska senator’s indictment.

Stevens is charged with lying on Senate financial documents about gifts from a millionaire oil contractor. Among the seven charges in the indictment, prosecutors said that Stevens checked “no” on financial documents when asked whether he received any gifts in 2001.

Actually, he checked “yes.”

The question is he walk?

27 10 2008
mudslide pike
27 10 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

ten or eleven and prous

27 10 2008
TJ

I’m sure Juror #9 is just waiting for her chance to get her 15 minutes of fame once the trial is over and/or she gets dismissed. I’ve got $10 saying she’ll end up as a part-time pundit on Fox News in the next year.

27 10 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

ok, proud

27 10 2008
Lulu

@Mudslide Pike, that question was answered for you last thread where you first posted it by a fellow Mudflatter. The answer is no. He will not walk. Each count is judged separately. That will only affect one count against Stevens. So that does not mean he will walk.

27 10 2008
mudslide pike

sorry reposted on this thread. I felt it more important to be posted here.

27 10 2008
Deep Blue in VA

So if Stevens is cleared, does that mean he’s likely to win re-election?

I still can’t believe he’s a viable candidate in the first place – he’s 84!!!

27 10 2008
portland oregon native

I confess I am on pins and needles on this news.
Maybe a change in the jury make up nowl move things to a conclusion. Of course Stevens will appeal any convictions, so this will go on and on.
I do wonder after seeing pictures of the house in Girwood….how the heck did they pour $250k into that dump???

27 10 2008
Lulu

@Mudslide, Here is what Strangelet wrote last thread:

strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.) (09:45:29) :

@mudslide pike (09:12:12)

“Each of the charges will receive a separate verdict. If the check-box charge is factually false, it should take the jury very little time to arrive at “Not Guilty” on that charge, but it will not have any direct effect on the consideration of the other charges (although it might make the jurors a little dubious about the overall competence of the prosecutors).”

27 10 2008
Crunk Petrol Palin

mudslide pike

He won’t walk, that one count in the indictment will just be thrown out (unless the judge finds that the error is not “material” but it seems to me it is in this instance.)

The real shame is that seems to have been the easiest count to prove.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have been very disappointed in the prosecutors in this trial. For a high profile case they seem to make very basic errors. DC is used to having high profile cases, you would think they could do better.

27 10 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Being 84 might be ok – but he would be 90 at the end of his term. That would be troubling to me if he were my senator.

27 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

Kudos to Bang Walmart, my 89-year old friend in a Care Center in southern Alabama who, despite being in constant pain and her failing shoulder sockets, plans to get on a bus on Nov. 4 and “I don’t care how long I have to wait in line” is going to cast her vote for Obama. You go girl!!!

27 10 2008
mudslide pike

I do wonder after looking at Senator Byrd why people would elect people that are so old to represent them. I guess that there are some who vote for a name. I will find out on the 5th if name is more important then ideas. I hope to see a change we need. Obama and Begich both win out this year. Mark will have a better chance to things done in a democratic Senate.

27 10 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

My wife and I just returned from early voting in Nebraska. While there is no chance that our votes will actually contribute to an electoral college victory for Obama/Biden, I am deeply moved to be able to say that I cast my vote for one of the most decent, intelligent, thoughtful and inspirational candidates I have seen in my lifetime.

In the past I would have described myself as a moderate, right-of-center conservative. I vote conscientiously but have never been politically active other than to mildly inform myself of the election year issues. I would typically vote Republican but without much enthusiasm.

My political awakening has come gradually over the past 8 years with an increasing dismay over the failed presidency of GWB. I vividly remember GWB briefly mentioning a philosophy of ‘compassionate conservatism’ in his first run for the White House. My optimism quickly turned to cynicism as I realized he had no idea what that meant, little compassion for those who disagree with him and no desire to actually implement such an idea. I am opposed to the lies that distracted us from the Afghan war and got us into Iraq and I was disgusted by the “Swift Boating” of John Kerry in 2004.

I have also become increasingly disenchanted with the GOP. I think much of what is wrong with the Republican Party is that the fundamentalists have hijacked the heart and soul of the party with a hate-based appeal to voters’ base instincts. The promotion of a narrow agenda based on guns, gays and abortion reflects little if anything of my priorities for this country. In addition, the ways in which they seek to promote their causes alienates people of good faith. They wrap themselves in flag and cross, demonize the opposition, distort their views, commit lies of omission and commission, and show an unwillingness to recognize the good in others while ignoring their own weaknesses. These tactics prevent the development of meaningful dialog and hinder work on realistic, bipartisan solutions to problems. If those are the “base” values of the Republican Party, I don’t want any part of it.

In fact, it seems to me almost a definition of fundamentalism (political, religious or any other kind) that one must steadfastly believe that your opinions are infallibly correct, compromise is a sign of weakness and that anyone who disagrees with you is either evil or stupid and should be destroyed by any means available. Adopting an intolerant, winner-take-all mentality imposes a tyranny of the majority that is antithetical to the pluralistic Constitutional principles upon which this country was founded.

With this background, I ‘discovered’ Barack Obama. I read his books, heard him speak at a small town hall meeting in Iowa last spring (got to shake his hand!!). I have come to passionately believe that in spite of his relative lack of experience, he is the right man to lead this country out of the moral wilderness we have been lost in and restore to this country a sense of decency and pride in what America is supposed to stand for. That may not be the “My country right or wrong,” flag waving kind of patriotism the GOP wants to shove down our throats. I am a patriotic American, and I love my country, but I have not been proud of the US for the last 8 years. I see in Barack Obama’s candidacy the promise to restore this country to something we can truly be proud of.

I know this is far too long for a blog post, but I have been so thankful to the Mudflats community for providing a sense of home and refuge from the hateful lies and distortions I am surrounded by in my real life.

I realize my Red-State vote won’t really count for much but for those of you in the real battleground states, you have a chance to cast an historic ballot that will truly make a difference.

GO OBAMA/BIDEN

27 10 2008
GJ in Idaho

Let’s hope the jury gets down to business and finishes up early. So we can all get back to the election. Electing Mark Begich that is.

27 10 2008
Lara

@ Deep Blue in VA (10:01:26) : So if Stevens is cleared, does that mean he’s likely to win re-election?

That’s been the wisdom, but I think there is a third option.

1. He is convicted and likely loses the election
2. He is acquitted and likely wins the election
3. there is a hung jury. If hte vote is heavily for convction, it will be like option #1. If the vote is heavily for acquittal, it willbe like option #2. If the vote is fairly evenly split, it may influence the election sufficently to put his opponent into the lead.

27 10 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Off topic but here’s an article in the Pittsburgh paper about the fear mail sent to PA Jews:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08301/923249-100.stm

“A copy of the e-mail provided by Democratic officials says it was “Paid for by the Republican Federal Committee of PA – Victory 2008.” It warns “Fellow Jewish Voters” of the danger of a second Holocaust due to the threats to Israel from its neighbors and touts Mr. McCain’s qualifications over those of Mr. Obama.”

27 10 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

Crunk Petrol Palin (10:03:07) :

mudslide pike

He won’t walk, that one count in the indictment will just be thrown out (unless the judge finds that the error is not “material” but it seems to me it is in this instance.)

The real shame is that seems to have been the easiest count to prove.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have been very disappointed in the prosecutors in this trial. For a high profile case they seem to make very basic errors. DC is used to having high profile cases, you would think they could do better.

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They were not trying to do better. They don’t want this 84 yr old man having a record, let alone doing time. They will probably find him guilty only on minor charges, and just have him step down and he has to agree not to run for another term.

Just my thought. It is hard to believe the prosecution would do such a sloppy job, if this was a younger Senator, celebrity, or a ordinary mo.

27 10 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin (10:18:02) :

Off topic but here’s an article in the Pittsburgh paper about the fear mail sent to PA Jews:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08301/923249-100.stm

“A copy of the e-mail provided by Democratic officials says it was “Paid for by the Republican Federal Committee of PA – Victory 2008.” It warns “Fellow Jewish Voters” of the danger of a second Holocaust due to the threats to Israel from its neighbors and touts Mr. McCain’s qualifications over those of Mr. Obama.”
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This is just so slimmy!!!! I don’t see how these people can sleep at night! There is definitely a place in hell for them!!!

27 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein "That One" Cobra

Whoa – just saw on the BBC that Obama has a 3 point lead in Ohio!!!!!

27 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

jwa-Cheny, every vote counts. Those who vote blue while surrounded by red get extra pats on the back. And thanks!!

27 10 2008
CO Almost Native

jwa-

I replied to you in the previous open thread, but here’s an abbreviated repeat: every vote counts! Don’t despair-even if you can’t turn NE blue, you can move it toward purple. Watch for the percentages on election night…

I’m Cornhusker born, living the good life in Colorado.

27 10 2008
portland oregon native

jwa,
I wept with joy when I read your post.
Don’t for one nanosecond believe that your vote does not count.
It does!
When Obama wins we will all have to work hard to reunite this country and make amends for our mistakes of the past. People like you and I can do that.
Thank you

27 10 2008
ocliberal

mudslide pike (09:12:12)

“Each of the charges will receive a separate verdict. If the check-box charge is factually false, it should take the jury very little time to arrive at “Not Guilty” on that charge, but it will not have any direct effect on the consideration of the other charges (although it might make the jurors a little dubious about the overall competence of the prosecutors).”
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That is what I fear, a distrust in the prosecution. I believe this isn’t the first mistake by the prosecution. They are either amazingly incompetent or they don’t have a strong incentive to see Stevens convicted.

I’ve read a few things in the last few months that make me think that Alaskans don’t hate Ted Stevens all that much. He, being the king of pork, has brought lots and lots of money into Alaska. I personally don’t dislike Ted Stevens as much as I dislike Sarah Palin because Ted isn’t trying to foist himself on American as a unqualified heartbeat away from the president candidate.

But I do find it interesting that SP apparently learned Alaska politicking 101 from Uncle Ted. SP, although just a “youngun” in the AK political world seems to have mastered the art of getting perks and giving perks. Everything from the building of the sports center in Wassilla to the Pipeline contract REEKS of Ted Steven-style politics. I wonder what Sarah has in her basement that she is ‘storing’ for someone? Even her vaunted selling of the executive airplane was sold at a loss to a campaign donor.

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Regarding the mailing of your absentee ballot. I mailed mine a couple weeks ago. I used a regular stamp BUT I mailed it certified at the post office. That cost me about $2.00 but it let me track my letter and see that it was received. That was added peace of mind.

Of course I can’t track if they counted it, but at least I know they received it.

27 10 2008
Ellie

I posted this at the end of the last thread, but here it is again:

Minnesota voters — Please vote the Incumbent in the judicial races to keep out religious right activist judges.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/12541/minnesotas-judicial-races-tingelstad-runs-for-supreme-court-on-mission-from-god

http://minnesotaindependent.com/14228/minnesota-judicial-races-evangelical-supreme-court-candidate-tells-anti-muslim-correspondent-we-speak-the-same-language

http://minnesotaindependent.com/13551/judicial-races-meet-dan-griffith-stealth-religious-right-candidate-for-the-minnesota-court-of-appeals

Please take a loo at the articles linked above, and help get the word out in Minnesota. Many people don’t pay attention to judicial elections, although I have a feeling that the supporters of the “religious right stealth candidates” are paying attention and will vote. We were embarrassed and horrified with Michelle Bachman. Don’t let it happen with our judges, too. We need judges that make decisions based on the law, not on personal and extreme religious agendas!

If you don’t live in MN, please help by letting your friends in MN know about this.

This kind of thing really frightens me, and any and all help would be appreciated. (I posted this in the Mudflats forum, too.)

Thanks everyone!

27 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

All that Republicans, and especially Palin Republicans, have to offer this year are smears and fears. The numbers of those who subscribe to this philosophy are, gratefully, shrinkin’, sinkin’, and stinkin’ along with Blinkin’ and Winkin’.

27 10 2008
SanDiego Muslim Jew Christian Hindu Surfchick

jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin (10:15:44) :

stories like yours (as well as AKM’s outstanding writing and insight) keep me glued to this blog. I’m fearful, confused, and disoriented in this strange new world of ours, where so little is what it appears to be. At least here, I find comfort, encouragement and hope! Thank you.

27 10 2008
Ellie

Um, I meant take a “look”, not take a “loo”!

27 10 2008
mickeymusing

TJ (09:57:43) :,

I actually think this “jurors as celebrities” thing is undermining our judicial system, encouraging blowhards and attention hounds to manipulate outcomes for their greatest advantage. Wish there was a way to get them to just shut up after a trial.

27 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Georgia is now a toss up state!

http://www.pollster.com/

27 10 2008
Lulu

OFF TOPIC.
AKM, did you see this information about “Super Sarah Sunday” held yesterday in Anchorage? Fifty whole people showed up.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/27/103453/86/734/643045

27 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin (10:02:36): A really inspiring, well-written post on the last thread. I hope people will go back and read it.

27 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

@jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin (10:15:44) :

Great post! Well spoken. Let us hope that by the end of Barack’s first term as president, that your wife and you will be two of many thousands more in Nebraska that will not vote just red or blue, but will vote for the candidate that will work for all of us, for the changes our country needs.

Thank you !

27 10 2008
Maggie AKA Molten Contra Hussein Palin

@jwa — Thanks for your efforts, even in a red state. Every vote counts.

I, too, am a political moderate, and I’m a registered Republican who is frustrated with the Repub’s swing to the religious right. I voted for Kerry in 2004 because I was desperately hoping we could get rid of GWB; prior to that I had never voted for a Dem for Pres. This year, I am going to be voting for Obama.

I fervently hope that I represent an underreported phenomenon in my swing state: I live in North Carolina, and I dropped my support of John McCain as soon as he announced Palin as his running mate. My husband is a lifelong Democrat, and was an enthusiastic Hillary supporter. He was disappointed when she didn’t get the nomination, and he was even considering voting for McCain–that is, until Palin was added to the ticket. Now we are both sending money to Obama, and feeling anger toward McCain for unleashing Palin on the nation. Hopefully a trouncing in this national election will send her home for good. She is as scary a candidate as we have ever seen.

— Maggie

27 10 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Cheney Hussein

Thanks for reposting it!

27 10 2008
you'rekidding,right? aka Slap Spear Hussein

mudslide pike (10:14:14) :

I do wonder after looking at Senator Byrd why people would elect people that are so old to represent them. I guess that there are some who vote for a name. I will find out on the 5th if name is more important then ideas.
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Byrd and Stevens? One word explains it all….earmarks.
Follow the money.

27 10 2008
SMR

@Jwa —

Congrats on the big vote. Here in Alaska it’s an exercise in frustration being a Democratic candidate supporter, but we must keep on fighting the good fight.

When I say fight, I mean voting with depth of thought, educating others, believing in positive change.

My husband & I were registered Repubs until the Palin pick. After that I changed mine to Undeclared, my husband stayed registered Repub, but will never ever vote for anything that has her name on it, so will be voting for Obama. We left the country for several years and came back to this crazy Republican party that had been hijacked by Rovians, religious nutters & racists! I can no longer support that party, and won’t until those ultra right wing types fracture off and get their own party, leaving the Republican party with the ability to restore some of their core ideologies without pandering to the wackos. Maybe that will never happen, so maybe I’ll always be adrift in the sea of the Undeclareds/Independents. If so, that’s okay, I can live with that more than being a registered Repub, being tied to that party in any way in its current form. They make my skin crawl these days.

So, congrats to you on getting out the vote & being part of history. It’s a beautiful feeling.

27 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Vote Vets gets tough on Chambliss

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?last_story=/politics/war_room/2008/10/27/sacking_saxby/

Blue Idaho, I think GA could go blue!

27 10 2008
More Light Than Heat

@ jwa
May I have your permission to post your comment as a post on my blog? It sums up so much of what is good about people in this country, as well as so much about what has gone wrong. I couldn’t possibly express it as eloquently as you — in large part because I long ago gave up on the Republican agenda. Your voice and your vote are what will help us turn this country around.

27 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

Yay Georgia!!! You rock!!!

27 10 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Can there be a hung jury in a civil case? I thought there only had to be a majority??

27 10 2008
braveny

@jwa
Thanks for reposting that here, it really deserves to be read by all. It brought tears to my eyes to realize I am NOT alone.

27 10 2008
Crunk Petrol Palin

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC

HERE IS A NEW PALIN GAME. Shop with Palin. Help her pick out clothes and spend $150,000.

I love how Putin keeps peeking at her from Russia.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/election2008/shopwithpalin/index.html

27 10 2008
ira2

Dammmmmnnn!! Arizona isn’t even pink, it’s white with a faint pinkish rim!!!! Less red than South Dakota??? Three days ago it was solid red! Holy mackerel…

http://www.electoral-vote.com/icon.html

27 10 2008
SMR

Lulu — What a great link! I love love love to read all about the support for Bible Spice! I wonder how it would have gone a month ago before the news got out about how she has dumped on Alaska and cheated & lied to everyone everywhere! Lovely news, restores my faith in my fellow Alaskans!

27 10 2008
ira2

P.S.: I just checked – it was SOLID RED YESTERDAY!!

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Oct26.html

27 10 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

@More Light Than Heat

I’d be honored.

27 10 2008
Wrangler Tractor in VA

Our school district has an in-service day on Nov. 4 so I am voting in person on November 4 with my 9 yr old son who is curious why we have an electoral college, and how could you win the popular vote, but lose the election? I’ll be teaching a poli sci 101 class on this tonight for him. (before Keith O – that’s his favorite show!) Glad I kept those college books. 🙂 I plan to give him one of my copies of the Constitution to keep after that. We’re saving one for Sarah LOL!! My son is soooo passionate about this election and so excited to go to vote with me. My daughter will be there too. If the lines are long she will enjoy visiting with everyone – she’s my social butterfly at 3 1/2 with a heart as big as the sky. She tends to smile more at the homeless, and want to hold their hands too. I’m excited to be part of the movement to turn VA Blue!

Go Obama/Biden!

27 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Lovin’ Kos’ new post:

Palin, interrupted
by kos
Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:35:04 AM PDT
I swear, it’s like a sitcom, except funnier.

In today’s zany episode, Palin denies the $150,000 clothers were hers, leading the McCain campaign to respond:

A senior adviser to John McCain told CNN’s Dana Bash that the comments about her wardrobe “were not the remarks we sent to her plane this morning.”

[Laugh track]

And Palin’s 2008 chances are getting sabotaged by another 2012 hopeful.

Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a “diva” and was going off message intentionally. The former and current Romney supporters further are pushing Romney supporters for key Republican jobs, including head of the Republican National Committee.

27 10 2008
Soldotna Sue

Hello jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin,

I totally understand how you feel. I’m a Democrat in Red Alaska. Usually national elections have been called by the time our polls close! We are 4 hours behind the east coast so that leaves us in Nowhere standing silently by the bridge!

Thank you for your wonderful thoughtful post. You expressed beautifully exactly how I feel too.

27 10 2008
Bobg

RedwoodMan-You’re probably not going to believe this but my son-in-law’s grandfather has a coastal redwood growing in Stroudsburg, Pa. (North Central Pa.) The temp gets below zero there and they get a lot of snow and he has nursed it for about 12 years. It’s only about 6 feet tall and doesn’t look majestic like your redwoods (which I fell in love with) but it’s still living.

27 10 2008
Emjay

jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin What an absolutely wonderful post. You said everything so concisely and beautifully. It should be read by everyone, everywhere – it’s perfect! Thanks for submitting it here.

27 10 2008
SMR

I’m really really worried about this! It kept me up last night!

Any voters in Florida know if it’s legal to have campaign staffers pick up absentee ballots? What is the chance that absentee ballots in marginalized neighborhoods, full of non-white voters, votes that likely will go to Obama, are picked up by paid McCain volunteers and go into the trash instead of the ballot box? This is craziness! Help!

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/104560/mccain_staffer_threatens_to_arrest_journalist_for_exposing_paid_%27volunteers%27/#comments

27 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

mickeymusing (10:30:04) :

TJ (09:57:43) :,

I actually think this “jurors as celebrities” thing is undermining our judicial system, encouraging blowhards and attention hounds to manipulate outcomes for their greatest advantage. Wish there was a way to get them to just shut up after a trial.
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I think you may be right.

In Canada, we have jury trials, but they are very rarely used, either in criminal or civil trials. People have a right to them in some serious criminal cases, but lawyers tend to strenuously advise clients to opt for a judge only trial.

And Canadian jurors are not permitted to talk about what goes on in the jury room. According to a recent Supreme Court case, the rationale behind this law is juror independence:
“While a judge sitting alone must give reasons to ensure that the bases of his or her decisions are transparent, the desire to protect jurors’ independence and freedom of decision requires that jury deliberations be secret and precludes juries from giving reasons for their verdicts. ”

It probably helps that we have a unitary criminal law system (the federal government writes the criminal code, the provincial court systems administer that law). You guys will unfortunately have to convince fifty states to make a change to jury secrecy. Good luck with that!

27 10 2008
West Virginian

jwa- I completely agree with you. I too believe that Barack Obama can help this country be great again. We can be great, it’s in us to be great, but over the last few years we have lost so much.

I’ve never been so passionate about an election as I am this year. My husband doesn’t understand.

WV will probably end up being a red state, but I was still proud to vote for Obama.

27 10 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

I copied your post (hope that’s OK) and sent it out to everyone I know in an email. It brought tears to my eyes b’cuz my parents were both Republican and I know that today’s party is not what they believed in. So thanks for saying things that I think they might have said!!!

27 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Thanks for the link to the Super Sarah Rally.

WTF is right about the woman in the bathrobe.

Could there be a more depressing place than that Bunker? Possibly only Guantanamo.

Loved the photo of the Obama logo at that great rally!

27 10 2008
PDX "That One" Hussein MB

jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin (10:15:44) :
In the past I would have described myself as a moderate, right-of-center conservative. I vote conscientiously but have never been politically active other than to mildly inform myself of the election year issues. I would typically vote Republican but without much enthusiasm.

Thanks for the post. You spoke my own sentiments so eloquently. I’m 49 and have been registered repub since 18. The last several years I have maintained my repub reg mainly to vote against a perennial repub who just doesn’t get why no one will vote for him and continues to run for state office. (Kevin Mannix, of course, my fellow Oregonians). I finally changed my registration to Democrat a few weeks ago.

@Portland Oregon Native:
Regarding spending $250K on the “chalet,” those were my exact sentiments when I saw the Daily Show interview with the current Wasilla mayor in her office–where did the $50K go? And did I hear she remodeled twice? I’m thinking it looked like they went down to the rebuilding center to pick up some 60’s paneling and carpet (ewww).

I see lots of Oregonians, and no doubt some SW Washingtonians here… Anyone thinking Pacific NW Mudstock?

27 10 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

Thanks to all of you for your encouraging replies to my long post. As I said before, it is so nice to be part of the Mudflats Community.

BTW, if we all like being part of a community – does that make us all COMMUNISTS????? And of course it goes without saying that AKM is a (soto voce) Community Organizer. EEEEEKKKKKK!!!!! Run for your lives…….

27 10 2008
Sparky

Today was the first day I drove to work with my Obama/Biden magnet on my car. I felt very proud. I even waved at another vehicle that passed me with an “Obama ’08” bumper sticker on the back…solidarity you know…but it occurred to me that he probably thought I was a crazy person, as he most likely had that bumper sticker on his car for a while.

Didn’t matter…I was juiced, if not verklempt.🙂

I haven’t seen any McCain/Palin stickers on cars, that I remember anyway (I could be purging such visual from my brain); I’m in the Sacramento area.

27 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

Obama leads on major newspaper endorsements 194 to 82.

Here’s the link to Editors and Publishers latest tally as of today.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230

Pats on the back and thumbs to anyone who has written or is still writing letters to editors to newspapers.

27 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

That would be thumbs up. Sorry.

27 10 2008
Sparky

@Blaster

Thumbs is good

27 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

Awesome Arizona!!

27 10 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

sorry…. that should be sotto voce

27 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

SMR, everyone just keeps plugging away doing their best individually and collectively.

27 10 2008
CO Almost Native

jwa-

Chuckling after your last post- of course, it could be left-over snickers from the Shopping for Sarah game- glad to see you still have a sense of humor.

Just a thought: if we in the Mudflats Community are Communists, what is that the sea of red in Lincoln every Saturday?! Yikes! I’ll be Saint Osborn never thought about that!

27 10 2008
braveny

Interesting site if you have not seen this one before. It shows what is being spewed out there and where it is being spewed.

radar.barackobama.com

27 10 2008
CO Almost Native

Oops- forget the extra “the”, and Osborne is spelled with an “e”, but if you’re from Nebraska, you get the point…

27 10 2008
BigPete

@lulu

Thanx for the Super Sarah Sunday link……….HILARIOUS.
If we could only get the ‘undecideds’ to see THAT……….

27 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin (10:45:04) :

Can there be a hung jury in a civil case? I thought there only had to be a majority??
—————————————————-

This is a criminal case. White-collar crime, but still crime.

27 10 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

Thanks!!

27 10 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

@braveny (11:37:43) :

Can’t get to that site with your info. Please re-post. I’m interested in seeing it.

Thanks.

27 10 2008
More Light Than Heat

@ jwa
Thanks for the permission. It’s now up and available — a post entitled “This is Country First.”

27 10 2008
More Light Than Heat

Another site of interest to all thinking people… Apologies if you all are ahead of me in discovering it.

http://www.fora.tv

@ Goalie
try http://radar.barackobama.com

27 10 2008
SMR

Yeah, Blaster, I get that. I go door to door in Alaska, one of the reddest areas in this red state, so I’ve got the individually covered. Did you look at that link? I don’t look at all of the links — there are too many great links provided here, and not enough hours in the day, so I understand if you didn’t.

If you didn’t I’ll summarize for you: M/P volunteers in Florida are being paid to go door to door, encouraging people to vote absentee, then going back to pick up those absentee ballots. Giving those people the benefit of the doubt, we’ll say that the ballots are then being brought en masse to wherever the collection point is, the box, whatever. I’m not really sure that I am comfortable giving any massive M/P voter door-to-door effort the benefit of the doubt. Particularly when it is conducted in low-income areas by unfriendly people!

This is a crazy time, and desperate times call for desperate measures, and really I don’t think the GOP even needs desperate times to resort to desperate measures. Since I was a registered republican until the Palin pick, I’m not one who usually sees GOP conspiracies around every corner.

So, back to my original question: Any Florida voters know if it is legal to have people come to your door to collect your ballot?

27 10 2008
Divatalk Hussein

Hey everyone.

OT – I missed the last couple days and I am just now getting to some of the post.
I see it’s been a lot going on.

BTW, I resent Palin giving diva a bad name. Man can this chick bring anything positive to the table?

Oh well, I guess it’s up to the real DIVAs (Dynamic, Innovative, Vivacious, Achievers)
to show her what the deal is.

**********
I created a special video just for my ENOUGH IS ENOUGH campaign. Check it out and let me know what you think!

27 10 2008
braveny

(http://radar.barackobama.com/)

hoping this works.. there is a link there to the “fight the smears” site. Also, you’betcha

27 10 2008
Blue Idaho

CNN is reporting that there is a verdict in Stevens case.

27 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

fellow socialist/commies/people with a heart:
So what say you wise ones to this? I made a mistake of listening
to Foe News and they are whining about Obama wanting to spread the wealth… Actually, though it may share some of the attributes of socialism, in addition to being common sense and compassionate, it is also “scriptural”
To those given much, much is expected. Luke 12:48

So, I say, fight fire with fire……suppose Obama knows, but maybe
the MSM doesn’t…

jwa: there was a media list found here many pages back; maybe someone can repost it so you can send your post to one and all… AKM?

27 10 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

A verdict already???? YIKES!

27 10 2008
Libbs

Blue Idaho and Crust Scramble-

Thanks for the good news about Georgia…cast my vote to get rid of Saxby as well. Good times…good times….

27 10 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

CNN saying that it is unanimous on all counts

27 10 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

Someone made a good point earlier – that the PFD’s that Alaska hands out from oil company revenues are “spreading the wealth” . . . .

27 10 2008
Janet

The verdict’s in… Wonder what it will be…

Guilty…

27 10 2008
Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin

ALL COUNTS???? WOW!! Bye Bye Teddy!!

27 10 2008
Janet

Two guilty verdicts at least, according to CNN…

27 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Guilty on at least 2 accounts

27 10 2008
Edie

Ted guilty

27 10 2008
Edie

(Smile)

27 10 2008
Blue Idaho

On all counts. WOW

27 10 2008
braveny

Ted Stevens Guilty on MSNBC!

27 10 2008
Janet

Guilty on seven counts (CNN)…

27 10 2008
ColoradoHusseinGal

Just announced on MSNBC – Stevens found guilty on all 7 counts!!!!

27 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

That was quick. Didn’t the alternate juror want to review the charge to the jury or the evidence or anything?

27 10 2008
Blue Idaho

One down one to go!

27 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

On MSNBC, right now. All 7 counts. Wow, jury worked fast.

27 10 2008
RandyH

Guilty!

27 10 2008
Joan aka Timber Challange palin

So did you, Bec Hussein – wow!

27 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

Hip hip hooray!!!!!!

27 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod

Hallelujah!! Sometimes justice does prevail. and in this case, how timely. 60 seat majority here we come! and wouldn’t be great if this were the beginning of the end for corruption on capital hill? a big dream i know…. but big dreams are in the air.

hose Hussein hotrod

up next: if Stevens is guilty on his house shenanigans can Palin’s house-gate be far behind??

27 10 2008
Ennealogic aka PumpBustHussein

Breaking News! Yes!

27 10 2008
CO Almost Native

Just in!!

CNN reports that the jury found Stevens is guilty on all counts!! WOW!

27 10 2008
kathy

STEVENS FOUND GUILTY ON ALL 7 COUNTS

27 10 2008
TrumanHugh

BREAKING:

Senator Ted Stevens GUILTY on ALL COUNTS!!

(1:00 p.m. PDT…CNN)

27 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

I tried to find a way to contact fox and set them straight….oooh! that is great news about the trial of Ted.

27 10 2008
Lulu

I’m supposed to be working but……. GUILTY!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!

27 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

ABC news, just now: Guilty on all seven counts !

27 10 2008
pj

So there is some justice!!! Yipee!!!
Hope that makes it easier for Alaska to pursue miss sarah🙂

27 10 2008
mi1greatlakespv

Wow. Excellent!

27 10 2008
PJ

Guilty!!!!!

27 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Whew – I don’t enjoy seeing old men going to jail – but it happened to our last Gov. Maybe they can be roomies. Save room for our current Gov, though.

27 10 2008
prettybrown

WOW the tides seem to be turning

27 10 2008
My

GUILTY
ALL COUNTS

27 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

So even if the judge throws out that faulty indictment (and probably will, to deny them at least one ground of appeal), that’s still a half-a-dozen guilty verdicts!

27 10 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

well, well.

this shall be the first of our celebrations in the next nine days.

yahooooo

27 10 2008
blueingeorgia

Yeah!!! Guilty on all counts. Hope this is a “bridge to nowhere” for his election!

27 10 2008
ForeverWild

Guilty on all counts. David Schuster sez Stevens will be defeated next week

27 10 2008
kathy

upnorth – I agree. Sarah faces a very uncomfortable time in Alaska, and to think she asked for it – literally. Almost, almost, feel sorry for her. For all the trouble she’s brought on herself she’s been badly used by the McCain campaign.

27 10 2008
More Light Than Heat

Love this para. in the MSNBC article… At that point the story was a “potential verdict”, but this one’s a doozy!

In a tight election year, the verdict has the potential to alter the nation’s political landscape. The Senate’s longest-serving Republican is fending off an aggressive Democratic challenger. If Stevens is convicted, it would hurt his chance of keeping a seat he’s held for generations. And it could push Democrats toward a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

Generations? I’m sure it seems like that to a lot of folks…😉 Guilty on all counts. Wow! So now Begich can disconnect from his pepto IV? Will guilty on all counts be enough to push him to victory?

27 10 2008
JoeThePlumber

Damn,and I was gonna remodel his bathroom!

27 10 2008
CO Almost Native

CNN discussion: if Stevens is reelected (AK has to be smarter than that), the Senate would have to vote to expel him. He could get prison time…hard to pass on earmarks from there:)

27 10 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

GUILTY ON ALL 7 COUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

27 10 2008
kathy

Isn’t it great how we all migrated here in an instant. AKM where are you?

27 10 2008
blueingeorgia

Oops! Meant to say “campaign” not “election”.

27 10 2008
Gretchen

MSNBC reporting Stevens found guilty on all 7 counts!

27 10 2008
Bobg

Now the Feds can concentrate on Caribou Barbi!

27 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

MSNBC — “all but certain that he will not be re-elected”!

Happy Dance for Begich!

27 10 2008
Frozie

Found Guilty! Uncle Ted is going to the slammer!

27 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

at least 2 generations, maybe three……and it HAS seemed like a long time.
Go, Begich!

27 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

NEW THREAD!

27 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Any insight on what the minimum sentence for this would be? Do you have those for federal fraud cases?

27 10 2008
braveny

@JoeThePlumber

rofl

27 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I hope this helps turn AK at least faintly blue on the map – in disgust.

27 10 2008
Libbs

Sarah is next in line…she just HAS TO BE! The precedent has been set.

27 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein aka Kat in FLA

JWA,
That was just perfectly said, you articulated everything I feel about what has happened to this country and the Republican party. When I cast my vote on Wednesday in the swing state of Florida I will be casting it for you too.

27 10 2008
Lulu

New Thread Up! NEW POST ALERT.

27 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod

I think if we have any spare change left, we should push it into these tight senate races, maybe especially Begich’s … in honor of justice being served. But there are so many that are so close, including a three-way horse race in my own state (MN) with Franken barely staying ahead.

Most of these Senate hopefuls are listed on Daily Kos’s orange to blue page. You can donate even small amounts here, to several candidates at once, and make a combined payment. It’s pretty nifty. Do what you can. It all matters.

http://www.actblue.com/page/orangetoblue?linky

hose Hussein hotrod

27 10 2008
Winski

JUST announced : CONVICTED on ALL counts. buh..bye !!!

27 10 2008
timc

A jury has found U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska guilty on all seven counts of making false statements on Senate disclosure forms.

27 10 2008
Bobg

Watch! As Bush walks out the door he will either pardon Stevens or at least commute his sentence.

27 10 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

OK, now with Stevens convicted, will Alaskans decide to re-elect him so that the Repubs will continue to control that seat and when the strongly Democratic Senate boots him out, the GOP can appoint his replacement?

And, what ARE the rules in AK about who replaces an elected Senator – Gov Palin, GOP, ???

27 10 2008
Tess In TX

@Shove the Maggot (12:08) – I’m not 100% pos but unfortunately, I don’t think there is a mandatory minimum for these but it will be interesting to see what he gets.

Way to go Alaskans! One Ted down. One Sarah to go!

27 10 2008
Janet in DC

Guilty–wow!
@Shove Maggot. Regarding your question about the alternate juror perhaps not being up to speed. It’s likely that he/she was. I was on a jury not too long ago in a civil case in DC (though not in federal court) and our alternates were with us during deliberations, contributed to the discussions, and reviewed all exhibits. They were treated no differently from the other jurors.

27 10 2008
Sparky

Buh bye, Teddy🙂

27 10 2008
Gravel Blood Palin

It feels to me as if the prosecution in the Stevens case is deliberately throwing this trial.

This kind of studied incompetence follows in the wake of the fired US Attorney business is just more of the same corruption of every single branch and department of the US Government that they can possibly corrupt and ruin.

This is the most despicable bunch of people to ever, ever, visit their evils on the people of the United States of America. From calling anyone who differs with them traitors, to doing every thing they can to convince the ordinary citizen that government “doesn’t work”, to, at the same time, using that government to enrich themselves and their friends, to corrupting the voting process, they have shown themselves to be the true “Anti-American” and the true “Anti-Democratic” minions of the Dark Side.

This is the lowest we have sunk since the Civil War.

27 10 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

OK Everyone, just a little over a week to go. I don’t have any story to tell about voting because I can’t vote, but there has never been such an important election in my lifetime. I’m with you all the way.

As a side note, I absolutely adore the “me first” part of the thread and the jokes that cause you to spit out your coffee or wine all over the keyboard. As someone who doesn’t have a vote or is not able to contribute (due to not being American), I agreed to moderate the forums along with group of very dedicated people – all of them far better moderators than me. That I felt was my contribution from Ireland. I had to make an effort to be online early in the morning and often stayed til 2am in the morning. I felt a little gutted at some of the comments yesterday, after everyone’s hard work.
Blue Idaho, Laura Lee, Oct Liberal, Jamie from France, Aussie sista and many more – please continue to contribute. And enjoy the little jokes.

Ok, rant over, but too much invested in this fine blog to allow one or two people to stifle it.

27 10 2008
NMJ

jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin (10:15:44) : My wife and I just returned from early voting in Nebraska. While there is no chance that our votes will actually contribute to an electoral college victory for Obama/Biden, I am deeply moved to be able to say that I cast my vote for one of the most decent, intelligent, thoughtful and inspirational candidates I have seen in my lifetime.

I’m proud of you and your wife for voting, even through your conviction that it wouldn’t help, anyway. Obama has said that he’s concerned that the election could be lost if people thought he was winning, and decided he didn’t need their votes. But no one has mentioned the opposite: He could lose because people might believe their votes wouldn’t help in their state, so why bother? Every vote counts, and I think there are millions of voters flying under the radar (like you and your wife) that could very well swing a state or, at the very least, amaze you by uncovering a state that is surprisingly purple!

braveny (11:37:43) : Interesting site if you have not seen this one before. It shows what is being spewed out there and where it is being spewed.

Thank you for that link…fascinating stuff!

27 10 2008
Sparky

new thread (if you didn’t get it before) we’re waiting for you!!!

27 10 2008
Freakout in Kansas

Damn…I just voted but when I checked the electoral college map Kansas is still red.

27 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

Bobg (11:00:55) wrote:
RedwoodMan-You’re probably not going to believe this but my son-in-law’s grandfather has a coastal redwood growing in Stroudsburg, Pa. (North Central Pa.) The temp gets below zero there and they get a lot of snow and he has nursed it for about 12 years. It’s only about 6 feet tall and doesn’t look majestic like your redwoods (which I fell in love with) but it’s still living.

________________________________________________________________________

Wow !!! I believe you. We actually get snow here maybe once a year, and it melts a few hours later. It gets down to the low 20’s or high teens during many nights through winter, and up to 110 in the summer, with typically no rain from June through October, but it can rain 40 to 100 inches from November to June. The summer fog keeps them safe in the heat of summer. Growth of 2 to 3 feet per year is typical in this ideal climate, but may be only one inch per year without enough moisture and sunlight. Hopefully your son-in-law’s grandfather’s tree will contine to do well in Stroudsburg, PA. Thanks for sharing that Bobg.

27 10 2008
turns

SO what happens next to ted?

27 10 2008
turns

So what happens to Ted now?

27 10 2008
ira2

OMG, go out to cut up some wood for an hour and you miss the best – A GUILTY VERDICT??!!! Allrighty!! Justice, and all that :o) COOL!

27 10 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

@jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin (12:13:25) :

Here’s the scoop on how we’d get a new Senator, in case Ted were (heaven forbid) reelected then kicked out by 2/3 of the Senate:

In 2004 we changed the law so that in the event of a Senate vacancy we have to have a special election. NO MORE APPOINTMENTS! This was a backlash from Frank M. appointing his daughter Lisa M. to his vacated Senate seat after he won the Governorship. Of course “we” also elected her on her own to that seat (for a full 6 year term) that same election, but…

Anyway, just to clear up any misconceptions, Sarah CANNOT appoint herself or resign and have Lt. Gov. (at that point Gov.) Sean Parnell appoint her to the Senate seat if Ted won it next Tuesday and then was removed by his colleagues or if he resigned.

28 10 2008
shell from Ohio

palin is now asking him to resign….shouldn’t she also be asked to resign?




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