Republicans Speak on the Stevens Conviction.

27 10 2008

Sarah who?  Today’s theme in Alaska has been “All Ted, All the Time.”  To be honest, it’s been sort of refreshing to have a break.  We needed to cleanse the brain with something completely different – a mental sorbet between courses of Sarah Palin. 

Let’s ask the obvious question.  “Senator Stevens, what do you have to say for yourself?”

“I am obviously disappointed in the verdict but not surprised given the repeated instances of prosecutorial misconduct in this case. … I will fight this unjust verdict with every ounce of energy I have. I am innocent. This verdict is the result of the unconscionable manner in which the Justice Department lawyers conducted this trial. I ask that Alaskans and my Senate colleagues stand with me as I pursue my rights. I remain a candidate for the United States Senate.”

That was quick, and it’s no surprise.  Stevens plans to blame the system, and appeal the verdict.  And, yes, he will continue his campaign to retain his Senate seat, and asks for the support of his constituents and fellow Senators.

So (rolling up sleeves) we’ve heard what Ted has to say.  What about those national Republican and Senate leaders for whose support he has asked?  What do they have to say about their colleague in peril? 

“This is a sad but serious day. Sen. Stevens was found guilty by a jury of his peers, and now must face the consequences of those actions. As a result of his conviction, Sen. Stevens will be held accountable so the public trust can be restored.” – Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

OK.  Senate Minority Leader sounds pretty disappointed.  “Face the consequences”, “held accountable”…..Sounds like Mitch McConnell is thinking self-preservation and taking a giant step away from the convicted felon.  McConnell is running for re-election in a race that’s a little to close for comfort, and can ill-afford the Stevens albatross around his neck.

“This is a sad day for the United States Senate. Ted Stevens served his constituents for over 40 years and I am disappointed to see his career end in disgrace. Sen. Stevens had his day in court and the jury found he violated the public’s trust – as a result he is properly being held accountable. This is a reminder that no one is above the law.” – Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

Well, it’s pretty obvious that the Republican Senate leadership has pretty much thrown Ted under the bus.  And it’s not surprising, really.  Once the suffix “convicted felon” appears after a politicians name, any continued affiliation with them is pretty much political suicide.  Nobody, but NObody in the Republican Party would be foolish enough to snuggle up to Ted Stevens at this point.  I mean it would be like holding a big sign that said “I Pal Around With a Convicted Felon!”   Right, Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski?

“Given today’s verdict, it’s a sad day indeed for Sen. Stevens and his family as well as for Alaska. Ted Stevens is an honorable, hardworking Alaskan who has served our state well for as long as we have been a state….Ted has asked for Alaskans and his Senate colleagues to stand with him as he pursues his legal rights. He stood with Alaskans for 40 years, and I plan to continue to stand with him.” – Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska.

You guessed right.  Murkowski is NOT up for re-election this year.  But Rep. Don Young IS.

“I’m deeply disappointed. It surprises me. I don’t think he had a jury of his peers. That’s the way it goes. I’m sure there will be an appeal. If you watched the conduct of the court with the one juror leaving and going out and, of course, the actions of the prosecutors themselves, there definitely will be an appeal, and it will go for a long period of time.” – Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska.

Hit the brakes!  What’s this?  He didn’t have a jury of his peers?  What peers do you mean Rep. Young?  All the other members of Alaska’s infamous “Corrupt Bastards Club?”   Ohhh… that’s right, they are either in jail, testifying against Stevens, or are actually his offspring.  Guess that means he’ll have to settle for some other kind of jury…like the one selected by the attorneys on both sides.

What about that other Alaskan politician that’s been in the news lately?  What’s her name, again?

“This is a sad day for Alaska and for Sen. Stevens and his family. The verdict shines a light on the corrupting influence of the big oil service company that was allowed to control too much of our state. … As governor of the state of Alaska, I will carefully monitor this situation and take any appropriate action as needed. In the meantime, I ask the people of Alaska to join me in respecting the workings of our judicial system. I’m confident Sen. Stevens will do what’s right for the people of Alaska.” – Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska.

Interesting.  So it’s the corrupting influence of big oil, not the corrupt compliance of politicians.  Subtle distinction.  It wasn’t Ted’s fault…it was those darn kids he was hanging around with that got him into trouble.   Then she tosses some word salad, with meaningless filler croutons.  And then “Respecting the workings of our judicial system” sounds good…but is she talking about the verdict we just got, or Ted’s upcoming appeal?  And what will Senator Stevens do that is “right for the people of Alaska?”  Does that mean step down, or continue to run?  In a nutshell, Sarah Palin said absolutely nothing with any substance.  How very…..Sarah Palin.

But, after all this, what is the official comment from the Republican Party of the State of Alaska?  THE most important Alaskan Republican in the history of the state has just been indicted on seven felony counts.  He has been tried by a jury of his peers, in front of the nation.  He has been held up to the world as an example of the degradation, rampant greed, and incomprehensible hubris of the Republican Party.  Ted Stevens, the longest serving Republican senator in history, once third in line to the Presidency,  has been castigated and rebuked by the national Republican Senate leaders.  He is the poster boy for how far, long, and hard the Republicans have fallen.  What say you, Alaskan Republicans?  How do you console and guide your stricken party members who are reeling from betrayal and humiliation.  Let’s face it…the last two years have been pretty tough on Alaska Republicans, and now the demi-God of the party has just poured salt in the wounds.   I’m sorry Republican Party…I had asked you a question.  You were saying?

“We need to continue to support Sen. Stevens. We need to vote for him because a vote for him is a vote for a conservative candidate, a Republican who best represents the interests and beliefs of Alaskans. … We don’t know what happens in the future. But if you don’t want Mark Begich, you vote for Ted Stevens.” – McHugh Pierre, spokesman for the Alaska Republican Party.

You heard it here, kids.  The Alaskan Republican Party has just reaffirmed their endorsement of, and told you to vote for A CONVICTED FELON!  You show ’em Alaska Republicans!  Hold your head high, walk in to the voting booth with the blessing of your political party, fill in that little oval, and vote with impunity for A CONVICTED FELON!  Drive home with a satisfied smile, kiss your spouse, and say, “What did you do today, Honey?  I voted for A CONVICTED FELON!”  Proudly call your friends and relatives out of state, and tell them how you, and all your buddies in the Republican party, puffed out your chests, and proudly hitched your wagon to the star of an 84-year old CONVICTED FELON!  Maybe you should call your local party headquarters and suggest a fundraiser…you could do t-shirts, and hats that say, “I VOTED FOR A CONVICTED FELON!” 

Then, put your feet up, and watch the national news, and watch a couple political talk shows, and wonder to yourself, “How did Alaska become a laughing stock?”

 

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217 responses

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

My favorite comment the other day was Shikago’s “I’m 52nd!”
puts it in perspective…

Great post, AKM–did you ever know that you’re my hero?

27 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

My 12 year old daughter and I went to the Obama Rally in Pittsburgh today. It was at the Mellon Arena, home of the Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team. Barack was scheduled to speak at 5:00 PM.

A bellhop at the Marriot Hotel across the street where we parked told me people began lining up at 7:30 AM. He also said he had never seen anything like it except maybe the Hanna Montana concert. The doors opened at 3:00 PM. When we got there at 3:30 PM the line was many many many blocks long and zigzagged through the neighborhood.

The venue is located in a predominately African American section of Pittsburgh known as “The Hill District.”
The crowd was about 80 percent white. Many college students, but also many many middle aged and older white men that looked like they were possibly steel worker retirees. The audience was multigenerational, multicultural and economically diverse.

My daughter and I barely made it in before the place filled up, but we lucked out and got great seats.
Barack spoke at 5:30. I had already heard some of the speech from sound bites playing on NPR from his morning speech in Ohio.

Barack is a dynamic speaker. He cautioned people to not get complacent and risk this slipping away in the final days. At one point people booed his mention of John McCain and Sarah Palin. He had a cute line, saying “You don’t need to boo them, you just have to get out and vote.” Barack is amazingly presidential in person. It reminded me of the old film clips I have seen of JFK.

I was thinking when we got home tonight that I really do not remember him smiling tonight. There was a gravity and a power throughout his speech, an absolute firmness, confidence and determination. Like I said above, Presidential, JFK. I really believe I have witnessed something great, something extraordinary, history in the making.

I am so pleased that my daughter got to experience this with me. It is something she can tell her children and grandchildren about someday. She was there. Her father brought her to see Barack Obama before he won the Presidency.

27 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

😉

27 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

McHugh Pierre? Is that a real Alaskan name?

27 10 2008
Lana, KY

Good god AKM, you have such a wonderful way with words. Such talent.
Loved it.

27 10 2008
Trini

Is it really possible that Alaskans will vote for a convicted felon? Please folks, no, no, no. You’re too good for that.

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

OMG, I wasn’t first was I?

OOOOOPs…not important, doesn’t matter but….never happened!
Woohoo!

Hope no one is offended…if so, sorry…just WOOOHOOOO!

27 10 2008
CO Almost Native

Hmmm…If Senator Stevens is reelected, does a “F-Alaska” follow his name?

I am reluctantly fascinated by the Alaskan Republican Party response-

27 10 2008
Lighthouse (CO)

A brand new thread! And I was just heading off to bed! Good night, mudpuppies, I really do have to sleep sometimes. (darn it, anyway)

27 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

CO Almost Native (20:38:53) :

Perhaps R-Leavenworth?

27 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

“we voted for Ted” — Ted’s Veco pals in jail

27 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Please tell me that there are some honest politicians in Alaska. I am now so familiar with Miz Paling and now Mr. “NO” Stevens that I wonder if Alaska can produce someone who won’t further disappoint. Thank God they continue to be Rethugs (what else is new?)

27 10 2008
braveny

On MSNBC First Read, Steven’s says “I’m Innocent”

Golly gee, I heard some… yep.. it was… oh yeah.. that… hmmmmm? also

27 10 2008
GiGi

I can’t believe how arrogant some Republicans are…

27 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

DAMN, AKM, you are DAMN good. Thank you for shaming me to integrity. Please keep pulling me along. You’ve make me better.

27 10 2008
Hermann

What baffles me is that a convicted felon can serve in the US Senate. What message does that send to the public and the world at large? Here from South Africa, I’m cheering for Sen. Obama!

27 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Ah, $hit. I miss the edit.

27 10 2008
Presbyterian Gal

Doesn’t being a convicted felon disqualify one for public office?

Somewhere someone is making book on when OJ moves to Alaska.

27 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

@Presby Gal: After he gets out of the slammer.

27 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

oj’s in jail … likely for life, no chance of AK getting him!

27 10 2008
hockeygal

Just think, we heard the modern version of the “I am not a crook,”speech. Ted was around for Nixon and now he gets to add to that incredible legacy of corrupt, lying Republicans. What a proud moment indeed.

I was at the convention in 2004 for Barack’s debut. Reminded me of seeing JFK with my grandfather when I was a kid. Now there is a legacy.

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

You go, Hermann! I have a dear friend originally from SA who is equally as enthusiastic…repugs don’t understand how important world wide support is!
Or maybe they’re just pouting…

McCain–“old man yelling at clouds!”
Really fits right now, doesn’t it?

27 10 2008
karion

Random responses to the verdicts:

Was Stevens’ entire defense really that “his wife paid the bills” and “he thought they paid everything billed? ? That seems so….weak, yet I guess there wasn’t much more available to him.

In the grand scheme of political corruption, this does seem like small potatoes, but again, I didn’t follow it closely. I am glad that he was convicted, absolutely, but given the long history of his (maybe) otherwise lawful service, as well as the federal sentencing guidelines, he won’t do any jail time.

Pain’s response, alluding to her role as AK’s governor, was the telling point for me. She knows she is going home. I just wish I had a sense of how she will be received.

27 10 2008
Soldotna Sue

A felon can’t even vote, right? Now that’s a great one. He can’t even vote for himself if I’m right!

27 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

ok so it’s time for the Craig Ferguson Lesbian Show..

And gosh, AKM, that was just brilliant.. You manage to sum up stuff wonderfully.. you must want to hang on to the # 1 Political blog title.

Excellent! And point that is scary is how the Repugs can actually want to support him STILL..

and how many convicted felons say they’re innocent until DNA evidence clears em.. And in this case, the only DNA is Teddys..

Mark my works, my friends.. He’s gonna drop a dime on Palin at the first hint of him getting prison time..!

27 10 2008
GJ in Idaho

Bravo, AK! The only thing I can think of worse than having a convicted felon for a Senator is having one that wiggles his feet under….oh, I’d better not go there or I might start a my Sentor is worse than your Sentor thingy…

27 10 2008
braveny

I feel like we are on a rollercoaster ride, each turn getting more terrifying than the last, up and down, and around… lots of twists and turns…

It seems like we have been on this ride for months…
Now we are chugging up the hill… its a big one… not quite to the top yet….
Hold on to your seat belts, it’s gonna be the best part of the ride

I am scared

27 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Night, folks. It’s 12:50 EST. Bless your hearts, sweet dreams.

27 10 2008
SMR

I, too, was struck by Bible Spice’s reference to the corrupt big oil service companies.

First, would that happen to be a corrupt big oil service company like the one that is currently mired in countless lawsuits and to whom she gave her sweetheart pipeline deal?

Second, WTF with the corrupt service companies/oil companies/any companies? It’s corrupt people, people, not companies!

She is an effing idiot! I so sincerely plead to all higher powers that she will get hers when her own housegate comes home to roost along with the dozen other -gates she’s got under her belt!

And don’t get me started on all of the stupid Alaskans still voting for Ted! Okay, get me started! They think he’s the only way to continue getting those big pork dollars for Alaska. They refuse to believe that that is no longer an option thanks to Bible Spice. Alaska’s pork could have weathered the Ted storm — it wasn’t like there was earmark money for pointless VECO projects sent to AK. But there is no way that Alaska will, in the future, escape severe scrutiny for pork projects now. Bible Spice has ensured that all taxpayers know that we got hundreds of millions for a bridge to nowhere, and kept it. And that Alaskans have a $30 billion savings account, while some states operate in the red, and somehow still manage to get more taxpayer dollars per capita than any other state. Those things are wrong, they have always been wrong, and lawmakers are not going to be able to justify those expenditures any longer, their constituents will not stand for it. That’s how it should be, how it should always have been, and how it will be, no matter WHO is in the senate or congress for Alaska.

Alaska will finally be held accountable for our sins of the past — being the grifters of the US. I hope they all realize that they have Bible Spice to thank for the personal income tax that will be coming soon. Not only did she strip away the facade for the rest of the US to see, but her new taxes on the oil companies, combined with the extra $1200 checks to everyone, have left Alaska in a pretty poor financial situation. Nothing compared to some states — but not how it should be. And just wait until AK has to come up with that $500 million dollars for TransCanada! Thanks Bible Spice, you’re the best!

27 10 2008
Lulu

Karion wrote: “Palin’s response, alluding to her role as AK’s governor, was the telling point for me. She knows she is going home. I just wish I had a sense of how she will be received.”

Can’t the Senate vote to kick Stevens out with 2/3 vote, even if he does get re-elected? And if he does, they will. They don’t want a convicted felon there. Alaskans for Stevens should consider that.

Adding to what Karion wrote above, another sign that Palin knows she’s on her way home: she can’t wait to shop again at her favorite consignment store…

27 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

I grew up in MD and Spiro Agnew was Gov then became Tricky Dicks VP

Imagine he has to leave his VP office when convicted of bribery charges in MD.. That led to Gerry Ford becoming Pres.. His daughter had a secret service detail and she ended up marrying one of em.

Point is you never know what weird twists and turns Teddy could be up for..

Hmm.. that was almost palinesque..🙂

27 10 2008
RM_TX

Yes, a felon can be in the Senate. But the Senate can toss him out.

Actually, this goes back to the Revolution. Britain was in the habit of tossing opposition members into jail for spurious reasons after their fake convictions. To prevent this the Constituion does not prohibit felons from serving. Additionally, a member of Congress cannot be detained for any reason if they are on the way to meet in Congress.

27 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

Obama Tries to Close the Deal in Pittsburgh (10/27/08 Time)

“It was fitting that Barack Obama brought his closing argument speech to Pittsburgh: this is a city of many lives, one born in a cradle of steel and promise that collapsed and rose again and knows something about reinvention. “The American story has never been about things coming easy,” Obama said. “It’s about seeing the highest mountaintop from the deepest of valleys.”

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1854358,00.html

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

EyesWide–thanks for giving this 45 year old democratic blogger the thrill of a week–you’re very dear!

27 10 2008
santa "rot pipeline" cruzin

Thanks “Eyes Wide” for the heads up on the new thread. Yes, the Alaskan Republicans will vote for him, because they’ll say his conviction just wasn’t fair! Are they whining again?

I posted this before I got the message to switch threads, so am repeating here:

@ Redwood Man – Santa Cruz, CA and Rob in Santa Cruz

Are you mudpuppies going to be downtown on Nov 4? There are parties scheduled at several venues, but I’d like to join other mudpuppies in turning the Red Room — BLUE!

OT can anyone suggest a good Mudflats costume? We take Halloween seriously here….

27 10 2008
portland oregon native

Just heard from an acquaintance in Haines.
He suggests the following scenario:
Sen Stevens is re-elected and is censured by the senate
Sarah is not elected VP and returns to Alaska
Sen Stevens resigns
Sarah resigns as gov
Lt Gov, now Gov, nominates Sarah to fill the Senatorial vacancy
Or do you guys up there need to have a special election? Maybe? Hopefully?

Yes. Special election. We learned that lesson when Senator turned Governor Frank Murkowski (Palin’s predecessor) appointed his own daughter to his vacant Senate seat. We were furious. So we passed a law saying that there had to be a special election. Then, in the same election, we re-elected Lisa Murkowski. Sigh…. AKM

27 10 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

There are some important issues going on with the Stevens trial –
besides the auto – appeals and election (co-Repub’s, family and friends) doing the vote – this will not be decided until after the election. Then there is also the IRS – no doubt they will be asking for every scrap of paper – to get their portion of the “Stevens hide”

Look at the Larry “bathroom stall” Craig has been fighting the misdomeaner in St. Paul for …. a long time.

I don’t believe Bush will give him a pardon – however I believe in the late hours of his last day in office – we will see a number of pardon’s for high level admin., for possible “crimes to be determined at a future date” while holding office and working for the Bush admin.

Mark B – on the other hand – should have an immediate ad showing what exactly the approx. $250K could have done for the people in the state of AK
Example – how many fuel tanks could that have provided? How many families could have lived on that amount for a year? How many “school lunches” could it have provided? What the shelves of the Anchorage Food Bank could have been filled? If the oil companies wanted to help “Alaskans” they could have done this — but they helped Stevens instead.

27 10 2008
Sourdough Mullet Hussein Palin

Oh, man!!! I just get more and more embarassed to be an Alaskan with each passing day. We’ve watched as our democratic process and our State’s honor have been trampled on by the likes of Senator Stevens and all the dirty Republican State legislators and their big-oil benefactors. Now we get to witness Alaskan Republicans stumble all over themselves to defend these self-proclaimed “Corrupt Bastards”.
“Alaskans need to stand by Senator Stevens”, my butt! Perhaps Senator Stevens should take a moment to wipe the pork from his chin and apologize to all honorable Alaskans for his misguided representation of the corporations over the citizenry. But the bombastic old coot would rather die on his own sword.
Alaskans have been voting these corrupt Sugardaddies into office ever since I can remember. Perhaps a tiny handful of voters really don’t understand that their elected representatives have been taking campaign donations, perks, and outright bribes hand-over-fist from big oil and its lobbyists for decades. The vast majority of their supporters do know it, though, it’s just that their sense of decency is trumped by their opportunistm. Their willingness to abide by this kind of corruption by continuing to vote them into office makes them complicit in the crime, IMHO.

27 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

RM, so he has to be released from Club Fed to vote on a bill? My guess, his first bill of the next session is forgiving Ted Stevens for making a few ‘bad choices’.

Maybe the warden will be Nancy Pelocy and she’ll dare Teddy to leave.. !

27 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

October 27, 2008, CBS
Obama Campaign Unaware of Alleged Assassination Plot

“(PITTSBURGH) – Moments after landing at the Pittsburgh International Airport this afternoon, the Obama campaign learned that the ATF had arrested two men in conjunction with an alleged assassination plot against the Democratic nominee. Obama arrived here for an evening rally at Mellon Arena. ”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/27/politics/fromtheroad/entry4550739.shtml

27 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Hermann, welcome, from MN to you in South Africa.
RM_TX, ok, that makes sense. However, that should be extended to other people, too. I still don’t think someone who IS a convicted felon (as opposed to an ex-felon) should be able to serve in Congress or as VP or Prez, but what do I know?

I can’t believe the Alaskan Republican Party is really willing to put that out there. I mean, do they really want to perpetuate the notion that Alaskans only care about themselves and what they can get from the government, present company withstanding? Sheesh.

Speaking of Palin’s favorite consignment store, here is a delightful article about it being sued for name infringement. I hope the opposition wins.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/27/out-of-the-closet-inside_n_138246.html

27 10 2008
Catherine Howard

I am shocked that a convicted felon can sit as a member of the US House and Senate. Ted can’t be thrown out. They have to vote him out. Which Congress can do that? The current group or the incoming group? My fear is that Sarah will appoint herself to fill the seat, if Mark doesn’t win it.

27 10 2008
testerm

Alaskans please vote Stevens and Palin out of office. I was trying to find that story Keith O did a while back about her husband and “his buddies” renovating their house. I wanted to see if they could tie her to Stevens somehow.

On a totally different subject-
Does anyone have a link to write to that station in Florida and complain about Barbara West about her conflict of interest in interviewing Senator Biden with her right-wing agenda. I just saw her on Larry King trying to talk around the fact that her husband and her are Republicans and he is a Republican tool.

27 10 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

Sourdough Mullet Hussein Palin (20:59:54) :

Oh, man!!! I just get more and more embarassed to be an Alaskan with each passing day. We’ve watched as our democratic process and our State’s honor have been trampled on by the likes of Senator Stevens and all the dirty Republican State legislators and their big-oil benefactors.
——————–
In 2006 – Montana voted out Conrad Burns who had close ties to Jack A, almost every state has at least one in office for the Power & Glory – rather than the People.

Now with the internet – it will give US the power – to make sure they don’t retain their power

27 10 2008
DrChill

lol
“Then she tosses some word salad, with meaningless filler croutons…”

yummy !
lol !

: )

27 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

Federal officials skeptical about alleged plot to kill Obama

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/27/1599014.aspx

27 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA, thanks for persevering and making sure this got through the spam filter. What an amazing experience it must have been for you and your daughter.

27 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

Obama woos workers

[In a fiery speech billed as the closing argument of his presidential campaign, Democrat Barack Obama pledged to represent the needs and values of middle-class Americans and unite the nation at a time of a severe economic crisis.

“Pittsburgh, I’ve got two words for you: One week,” Obama said Monday. The Mellon Arena crowd of about 15,800 roared when he added: “We are one week away from bringing change to America.”] TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, October 28, 2008

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_595530.html

27 10 2008
Windy City, AKA Alien Ears not Palin

@santa “rot pipeline” cruzin–re Halloween costume–someone last night suggested the white witch from Narnia Chronicles–I assume that would include a Palin mask, yes?

It is funny–because of mudflats and the conversations here, I now really feel like I am a patriot along with all of you. Being a patriot was claimed by those who do not really hold those values–and now we have taken it back!

What a great community! If I go to the election night gathering in Milennium Park in Chicago thinking to carry a sign with a pair of big yellow boots!

Thank you all so much.

27 10 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

I just finished reading how our washington republican candidate for governer has been ordered to give a deposition on 6 million dollars of his campaign finance that may have been illeagal this is about 3/4 of his financing. Heres to hoping he goes down in a blaze of glory.
There are rumors that he is being heavily financed in an effort by republicans to redistrict several western states that reliably go democrat or lean democrat, to try to skew them into the republican column.
The comments in the Seattle times article told how most wahingtonians think Republican = crook. Most sighted Sen. Stevens and Sarah Palin as examples.
We haven’t had a republican governer in along time which is probably why we have the highest minamum wae in the country $8.25.

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

Testerm–
I agree and IMHO, our Joe B handled her beautifully–I loved the way he burst out laughing and said, “you’re kidding, right?”

How can Stevens not be allowed to vote in an election but be able to vote in the senate? America, rise up!

27 10 2008
CO Almost Native

strangelet-

R- Leavenworth would work; it has a proud prison tradition and is close to the military base (very patriotic). His crime is not bad enough to be R-Super Max, a fine location in my fair state.

27 10 2008
braveny

@Windy City

Big Yellow Boots and a shovel 🙂

27 10 2008
Sarah "honey bucket" Hussein

Palin sided with Stevens because she knows she heading back to AK and wants to be on the Republican’s good side. She’s screwing the McCain campagn, which can’t afford to be tied to Stevens in any way. MCCain is going to try to blame her for the whole mess with the campaign (heck he can’t say it’s because he was taken in by a political gold digger) and Palin’s going to try and blame him. She’ll return home to Lotsa-gates and no high powered lawyers or high powered suits, hoping she has some political capital left. Does she have any.
I’m thinking she’s going to spill Trigg’s grape juice all down the front of those Chanel suits–just to mess with the party elite. Oops!
Alaskans need to take her down hard. A nice recall and putting her on trial for crimes against education and English usage otta make it, doncha think?

27 10 2008
Sandie

I am still so afraid that McCain and Palin could win somehow. Someone reassure me this won’t happpen. I need to get some sleep and I can’t…. I think I am up to 3 pots of coffee a day.

27 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

asianHusseingrrl …I am so glad we were lucky enough for this opportunity. Heck, we only live maybe 5 miles from the arena. Obama was so serious and intense tonight. The Trib (generally an evil right wing rag) got it right saying it was a firey speech. We had no idea then that he had just learned of a broken up assassination plot.

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

is there any way to auto refresh on this blog? Just curious–

27 10 2008
DrChill

Hermann (20:41:40) :

What baffles me is that a convicted felon can serve in the US Senate. What message does that send to the public and the world at large? Here from South Africa, I’m cheering for Sen. Obama!
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Our history had some dark episodes of politicians getting other politicians arrested, to either keep them from important votes, or to ruin their character. The response was to allow congressmen to skip arrest for misdemeanors, and to serve even if convicted. The idea was to allow the voters to decide.
Also, our founders were a rowdy bunch who were guilty of civil disobedience and even armed revolution. Today they might be called domestic terrorists.

27 10 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

Ok, now folks. Let’s not be too hasty and pile on Ted unfairly. Remember, the rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty……..OH WAIT!!! Someone tell Ted. You ARE proven GUILTY!!!!!

And, of course the prize goes to the AK GOP. “I’d rather vote for a conservative FELON than an honest Democrat. ”

Un-f***ing believable………………

27 10 2008
ocliberal

My take is that no one really wants to throw Ted Stevens under the bus, but political expediency forces a few to do so or risk political suicide.

Sarah Palin however is another story. What’s her deal? She is not up for re-election – yet. Am I the only one who thinks the Governor should be distancing herself from convicted felons? The very fact she is so noncomittal in her speaking tells me that she CAN’T distance herself from Stevens.

I just can’t believe it’s because Sarah Palin cares about the old guy.

I guess I’m turning into a conspiracy nutcase. But it seems like the Sarah Palin we know would turn on Stevens faster than a hot knife through butter. The fact she hasn’t is very suspicious.

I think Palin is afraid of alienating Stevens. Why?

Inquiring minds want to know – what does Ted Stevens have on Sarah Palin?

27 10 2008
NSWFM

AKM, excellent reporting, writing, and keeping our spirits up!

Who are these crazy Republicans, though? I thought we’d seen the craziest during the Terri Schiavo thing, but they just keep making bad moves, over and over again….!

And you are so right on the don’t screw up thing from the last post. There is so much to do, to clean up and to move the country back in a place where the rest of the world doesn’t think we are complete idiots because of the dolts we elect from time to time.

27 10 2008
AKaurora

A friend suggested a compromise between jail time and pardon. Considering his age, perhaps Ted should be placed under house arrest for a long time. Let him wear an ankle bracelet that limits him to within 100 feet of his chalet (too bad, no Double Musky). This way Ted has to pay his own way instead of us–we know how much he hates to part with his own money.

27 10 2008
portland oregon native

Don’t be embarrassed Alaskans. We all have our problems and crooked and/or stupid politicians. We the people have to be less apathetic and more involved in our political system again. This will take time and some hard work. However the republic IS worth saving and “yes we can”.

27 10 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

OK …..I was 52,,,,,,,,BUT …that was before this is posted

27 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

I’m not an Alaskan, but I hail from the deep south. While obvious disparity exists on the map, Mississippians and Alaskans have something in common. We tend to keep electing the same officials over and over. No matter what.

I sympathize with ya’ll.

Now I live in California and they recall politicians at the drop of a hat. Recalled Gray Davis (D). Put in Arnold (R). Arnie floated a buhZILLION dollars in Wall Street bonds to pay for what we needed rather than raising auto tag taxes proportionately. Borrow versus tax.

Now CA’s budget is disastrous. And we still have to pay the buhZILLION dollars in debt. And I what did I actually hear refloated—a proportionate tag tax increase.

27 10 2008
CO Almost Native

OK, this changes the subject, but Michele Obama is on right now with Jay Leno; she has a great outfit on…from J.Crew online! Take that, Princess Palin!
(heh heh heh)

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

Dr Chill–
thanks for the perspective…I wuz born and raised in the USA and wasn’t aware of that–however, I’ve always been a selective learner–only paying attention to what I’m interested in…
not a great example for others, i admit–
but seriously–thanks for the info!

27 10 2008
karion

Lulu – they can vote him out, even if he is reelected. My guess is it wouldn’t happen until next year, after he exhausts his appeals.

Funny how many WA folks there are here. I was thinking about this Stevens story today with a mind towards Norm Dicks, who represents Bremerton – my mother’s hometown. As far as I know, Norm Dicks is an honorable Congressman without any skeletons in his closet, and he has done so much work for his district and the huge Navy contingent there. He rarely has an opponent in his races and has a huge approval rating.

I suspect that a Stevens conviction in Alaska probably stings as much as a hypothetical Norm Dicks conviction. Easy to hate and decry the corruption and back-dealing, but hard to overlook the good works done in public service.

I hate that I am more sympathetic to Stevens than Palin.

27 10 2008
DeMo

Been MIA taking care of my mother with pneumonia. Can’t tell you the withdrawal I’ve been going through away from Mudflats. Been watching the news, of course, but there’s no substitute for the voices of AKM and Mudpuppies.

Don’t have anything significant to add to this discussion, but wanted all to know just how valuable I think this site is.

The driver who took me from LI to NYC scared me with his rabid hate for Obama. “The country is too stupid to know what they’re getting themselves into. Just look at the people he’s surrounded himself with and you know what kind of president Obama will be. Liberal, tax and spend, socialist, hate-filled man who will ruin the country.” After two weeks of nursing my mother, I just didn’t have the energy to fight what he said. BIG relief to live in a deep blue state. The driver may have been a hateful voice, but I’m in a state with hope-filled voices and voters.

27 10 2008
ira2

“We need to continue to support Sen. Stevens. We need to vote for him because a vote for him is a vote for a conservative candidate, a Republican who best represents the interests and beliefs of Alaskans. … We don’t know what happens in the future. But if you don’t want Mark Begich, you vote for Ted Stevens.” – McHugh Pierre, spokesman for the Alaska Republican Party.

So, the Alaskan Republican Party believes that a corrupt, old convicted felon “best represents the interests and beliefs of Alaskans”? Wow. I’d be really offended at that if I was an Alaskan. Maybe Mr. Pierre’s own beliefs and interests run towards corruption and felony, but it seems a little misguided for him to decide willy-nilly what the general Alaskan population believes in and what their interests are.

27 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

Ok mudpups..

Does anyone think the Barbie will be asked to never, EVER shop again at her ‘favorite consignment store, Out of the Closet’. since they are now being sued for copyright infrigement and they’ve asked for a cease and desist order, meaning, because of Barbies unwanted exposure, the AIDS based change of thrift stores found out about them, and they’ll have to change their store name!

Kinda funny she will most likely not be welcome in her store after they have to fight the legal issues.

Barbie manages to screw up everything she touches.

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

mhrt oregon”steve” (21:15:58) :

OK …..I was 52,,,,,,,,BUT …that was before this is posted
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Congratulations!
from one shallow mudpuppy to–oops, no insult intended🙂

27 10 2008
ak muckracker on sarah palin on ted stevens « angryXer

[…] Interesting.  So it’s the corrupting influence of big oil, not the corrupt compliance of politicians.  Subtle distinction.  It wasn’t Ted’s fault…it was those darn kids he was hanging around with that got him into trouble.   Then she tosses some word salad, with meaningless filler croutons.  And then “Respecting the workings of our judicial system” sounds good…but is she talking about the verdict we just got, or Ted’s upcoming appeal?  And what will Senator Stevens do that is “right for the people of Alaska?”  Does that mean step down, or continue to run?  In a nutshell, Sarah Palin said absolutely nothing with any substance.  How very…..Sarah Palin. […]

27 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA

g nite all

27 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

DeMo (21:17:49) :

Been MIA taking care of my mother with pneumonia.
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Hope your mom is better.

27 10 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

Once again I cruise the sites to find “all kinds of interesting tidbits”

Last week it was reported:

For the first time, astronomers have witnessed the death throes of a massive star as it was blowing up in a violent explosion called a supernova.

However – locating a classy comment or come-back is the honey on my biscuit:

06:10:28pm 10/27/2008rupert I say they name it Palin.

27 10 2008
Michele

Alaska is getting battered a bit with political embarrassment right now, but many other states have been there. I’m originally from Minnesota and heaven knows we’ve had our share of characters (granted more goofy, unique and/or loveable than corrupt, usually). Massachusetts, Illinois, New York, etc., etc. Scratch any surface and you’ll find something no doubt.

It is interesting that Stevens really serious issues with corruption coincided with the Bush Republican ascendency in 2000/2001. I think that these guys thought the rules no longer applied (and apparently the Alaska State Republican Party is still under that delusion). It was a new world order and they were the masters. Look at the shenanigans Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff got up to. I think they got so dulled to corporate bribery and corruption they no longer thought it was wrong–you just had to manage the paperwork correctly. Stevens’ defensiveness is almost like someone who is ticked off that they got busted while everyone else got away. He just really can’t believe this is happening.

27 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

More executives sold on Obama

WASHINGTON — Dan Cooper, a proud member of the National Rifle Association, has backed Republicans for most of his life. He’s the chief executive of Cooper Arms, a small Montana company that makes hunting rifles.

Cooper said he voted for George W. Bush in 2000, having voted in past elections for every Republican presidential nominee back to Richard Nixon. In October 1992, he presented a specially made rifle to the first President. Bush during a Billings campaign event.

This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That’s on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama’s speech at that year’s Democratic National Convention.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-27-prez-money_N.htm

27 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Sandie, believe me, you are not the only one. I am figuratively holding my breath until this is all said and done. Either way, though, we’ve got a tough road ahead.

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh PA, it isn’t often you get to experience history in the making. No matter what, this is a watershed moment for our country. I hope that we can go forward instead of go back.

Windy City ak Alien Ears not Palin, it’s about time we reappropriated the word patriot. I am tired of the right thinking they have a monopoly on it.

DeMo, welcome back, and sorry to hear about your mother. Also, REALLY sorry you had to deal with the irrational hatred of your taxi driver. I hope you stiffed him on his tip!

27 10 2008
Sandie

Asian Hussien Girl
Thank you. Greet my home state of MN for me. Come visit Alaska when this is all over

27 10 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

Real Politics has MT as a toss up!!!!

We’ve good from Dark Red to Pink and now a Toss Up !

McC is ahead by 3.3% but we may turn Blue
(AK – send all Arctic fronts to the SE to turn us BLUE)
🙂

27 10 2008
star the wonder pup

Prosecutors in political trials go for the low lying fruit. Guaranteed there is massive corruption he wasn’t charged with.

Surely you guys will elect the democrat and not give bible spice the chance to appoint herself,

27 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Enjay in Eastern MT (21:33:10) :

Real Politics has MT as a toss up!!!!

We’ve good from Dark Red to Pink and now a Toss Up !
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YAAAAY! I bet your most excellent governor Schweitzer (sp) has something to do with it. He is sooo good. He communicates AND thinks.

27 10 2008
Sandie

Had a 2 hour conversation with my super-Repub sister(whom I love very much, just don’t agree with) today. She has been watching this Stevens thing pretty close as she used to live in Alaska. She admitted she would be voting for Begich if she lived here. It is a tiny step in the right (or left) direction.

27 10 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

Michelle Obama spoke before 5,000 at a North Las Vegas rally late Monday night (9:15pm PST) saying:

“We have to work for the next seven days like we are 20 points behind. Barack Obama is the underdog until he is seated in the Oval Office. Vote Early so you can help others vote on November 4th!”

27 10 2008
John Mashey

SMR got it right, only it may be even worse.

1) These numbers are a little old, but here were State balance of payments with Federal government. As you can see, AK does pretty well, and in fact, most of the money that goes to the Federal Govt and doesn’t come back comes from Blue states… in fact, about 20-25% of the total that goes there and doesn’t come back comes from CA; put another way, I think around 2000, CA was effectively sending $400M to AK. CA has budget troubles, but in 2000, sent $60B more to Washington than came back. [Of course, some of that was needed for Federal activities, but some of it went to other states.]

2) In the light of AK’s exposure, as SMR described, people (around here) are indeed wondering why we’re doing this… I don’t think people have a problem helping out poorer states, helping with disasters, and helping people make good investment.

3) But if AK reelects Stevens, a lot of people are going to do more than wonder about this, and I’ll observe that Senators Feinstein & Boxer, Speaker Pelosi, and the largest single House delegation hail from CA, and it’s fairly Democratic … so indeed, SMR is right to worry about the various wastes of money that have already been exposed.

27 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Sandie, several people on this blog have floated the idea of meeting up in Alaska after this is all over. The Mother of all Mudstocks, if you will. That would be cool. I can sympathize with you about Republican kin. My bro is, and I had all my arguments lined up as to why he should vote for Obama. He preempted me by saying he was voting for Obama because we can’t have four more years of the same. Easiest discussion the two of us have ever had about politics.

27 10 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

karion (21:17:19) :

Funny how many WA folks there are here. I was thinking about this Stevens story today with a mind towards Norm Dicks, who represents Bremerton – my mother’s hometown. As far as I know, Norm Dicks is an honorable Congressman without any skeletons in his closet, and he has done so much work for his district and the huge Navy contingent there. He rarely has an opponent in his races and has a huge approval rating.

Interesting to think about it that way, we do love Norm. He actually represents a fair amount of Southern Puget Sound including the Peninsulas where I am from origionally. Last time he got 82% of the vote. It would be awful to find out he was corrupt and I am not sure I would believe it.

27 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

I want to tell all the Alaskans how much I have come to respect you all during this political season. You have taken repeated political hits but keep trying to get things going right.

The people on this site are bright, resourceful, generous, sensitive, and ingenious. You all have nothing to be ashamed of because your politicians are like some in the rest of the lower 48. And Alaskans politicians better watch their butts cause you guys are like bulldogs—-without lipstick.

27 10 2008
bjohnson

If they had any sense….

It’s still October and they’d pull a surprise.

To prevent the Senate from slipping to a 60 vote Democratic majority, Ted Stevens steps aside in his race for the Senate making way for Sarah Palin to run in his place. McCain announces Romney or someone else economically/conservatively plausible and scares the _____ out of the rest of us….

27 10 2008
rpahk

Can Stevens even vote for himself now as a CONVICTED FELON???

27 10 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

Posted on Slate

Sarah Palin’s War on Science
The GOP ticket’s appalling contempt for knowledge and learning.

“”With Palin, however, the contempt for science may be something a little more sinister than the bluff, empty-headed plain-man’s philistinism of McCain. We never get a chance to ask her in detail about these things, but she is known to favor the teaching of creationism in schools (smuggling this crazy idea through customs in the innocent disguise of “teaching the argument,” as if there was an argument), and so it is at least probable that she believes all creatures from humans to fruit flies were created just as they are now. This would make DNA or any other kind of research pointless, whether conducted in Paris or not. Projects such as sequencing the DNA of the flu virus, the better to inoculate against it, would not need to be funded. We could all expire happily in the name of God. Gov. Palin also says that she doesn’t think humans are responsible for global warming; again, one would like to ask her whether, like some of her co-religionists, she is a “premillenial dispensationalist”—in other words, someone who believes that there is no point in protecting and preserving the natural world, since the end of days will soon be upon us. “”

read more @ http://www.slate.com/id/2203120/

27 10 2008
Daisy Hussein

AKM: Another great post. I have been following your blog since Palin was nominated. You have given so much: information, hope, refuge and inspiration.

Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh, PA

Loved your story about your taking your daughter to hear Obama speak! You are indeed lucky. I am in California and don’t have that opportunity–I wish I could do that with my two young children. But he needs to go where he is needed most.
Thanks for sharing!

27 10 2008
snow leopard

I’m betting that Stevens comes under a lot of pressure from his party to give up his Senate seat in the coming week. The worst nightmare for the GOP would be for him to win on Nov. 4 ….

27 10 2008
DeMo

Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca (21:28:53) :

DeMo (21:17:49) :

Been MIA taking care of my mother with pneumonia.
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Hope your mom is better.
_____________________________________________
She’s finally on the mend, thanks!

asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN (21:30:43) said:

DeMo, welcome back, and sorry to hear about your mother. Also, REALLY sorry you had to deal with the irrational hatred of your taxi driver. I hope you stiffed him on his tip!
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The “best” part was when he said he had nothing against black people, blah, blah, blah. Y’know as soon as someone says that, they do have something against black people.

I was thrilled to speak with a lot of Long Island people who I thought would go Republican but are going with their senses. A lot of older people who are lifelong Repubs who told me they couldn’t vote for PALIN! But there are still (and always will be) those who refuse to listen to the facts. Or those who distort the facts to fit their world view.

Now that I’m off hospital duty with my mother (thank G-d she’s OK), I can get back to making calls for the Obama campaign, and call I will.

27 10 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

Tonight I attended the Michelle Obama rally. I have attended Obama rallies in my home swing state of Nevada that have been 90% African-American (North Las Vegas) and 90% Caucasian (Henderson). I have witnessed an equal amoutn of enthusiasm for Obama amongst blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians, the elderly and the children, the gay and the straight.

But, there is one stark difference between attending an Obama rally in the ‘hood vs. the ‘burbs. In the ‘hood there are no metal detectors and no armed police officers checking your bag at the gate entrance. What a paradox! You don’t need metal detectors for a presidential political rally in the ghetto, but you better damn make sure that there is more security at the rally in the suburbs than a TSA checkpoint at the airport.

27 10 2008
karion

Debbie –

That’s what this and the previous post made me think about. Like Stevens, Norm Dicks has done everything he could for his district and is a senior, respected member of Congress. It would be devastating for WA if someone like him were found guilty of these offenses, and I suspect quite a few of his constituents would play down the (comparatively) minor nature of this type of kickbacks.

I guess I was trying to put it into a perspective I could appreciate it, as it is clear from AKM’s tone that she, like many Alaskans, are reeling without any smugness. Although I have followed Alaska politics for the past two months, it still seems like such a mystery – so much intermingling of interests and self-dealing that would be exposed with a bright light in the lower 48. For some reason, the Kitsap Penisula seems like an apt comparison for much of Alaska.

27 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

Getting late in the 50th state–off to watch the Daily show and Colbert Report–
night, night Friends!

27 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

While AK Republicans are thinking about who’d be best for AK, they might want to consider that (1) whether Stevens is re-elected or not, he’s probably not going to be Senator for the whole next six years; (2) when he’s gone, the replacement for his seat will be the most junior member of the Senate; (3) there’s a reasonable chance that the Democrats will have a Senate majority for a while; (4) the most junior member of the majority party has a good bit more clout that, say, the ten most junior members of the minority.

Therefore, since AK already has one Republican Senate seat, it might be strategic to elect an “acceptable” Democrat to the other, just to hedge your bets. I betcha the existence of Senator Begich would tamp down the prospective anti-AK-pork backlash a little bit. Conversely, of course, Senator Palin would be red rag to a donkey. Also.

Just sayin’.

27 10 2008
drew from little ol texas

Damn, rumor spreads down here real fast !!

word on the street down here has it that when johnny boy and sara wrap all bs (this voting bs) up next tuesday, johnny and ted are gonna re-write some lame ass bill that is currently called something like “finestien/mclame corrupt cash bill” or whatever.

but first sara is gonna make johnny boy give uncle ted the A.G. job.

just saying !!

27 10 2008
John Mashey

Those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it…
Of course, it is a classic political tactic to take on the mantle of reformer to attack a corrupt government, while really wishing to run that government the same way.

For example: here’s a description of a famous politician: who is X?

“X won fame by taking on the powerful Q (Oil Company), which he sued for unfair business practices. Over the course of his career, X continued to challenge Q’s influence in state politics and charged the company with exploiting the state’s vast oil and gas resources….

X created the Share Our Wealth program in yyyy, with the motto “Z,” proposing new wealth redistribution measures in the form of a net asset tax on large corporations and individuals of great wealth to curb the poverty and crime resulting from the Y.

Charismatic and immensely popular for his social reform programs and willingness to take forceful action, X was accused by his opponents of dictatorial tendencies for his near-total control of the state government….

As governor, X inherited a dysfunctional system of government tainted by influence peddling. Corporations often wrote the laws governing their practices and rewarded part-time legislators and other officials with jobs and bribes. X moved quickly to consolidate his power, firing hundreds of opponents in the state bureaucracy, at all ranks from cabinet-level heads of departments and board members to rank-and-file civil servants and state road workers. Like previous governors, he filled the vacancies with patronage appointments from his own network of political supporters.”

While I wouldn’t overdo the comparison, does that remind Mudflatters of anyone?

Does anyone recognize X?

A famous movie (and then a remake) was based on his life.

For the answer, see here.

A quick perusal may inspire more comparisons than those above.

27 10 2008
Catherine Howard

A vote for Ted Stevens on November 4 is a vote of confidence for Sarah Palin.

27 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

Oh, and if AK cleverly elects Begich NOW, he starts accumulating seniority on Jan 3.

Nite all.

27 10 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

Would have been inteeresting if those white supremacists from TN would have showed up at the Obama rally in North Las Vegas tonight. Something tells me that the 89 year old great-grandmother of the neighborhood would have taken a cane to their butts before they could even reach the street vendors hawking Obama buttons and t-shirts.

Would have been interesting if a McPalin supporter would have had the guts to show up to protest the Obama rally in North Las Vegas tonight. Something tells me that the 89 year old great-grandmother of the neighborhood would have laid hands on them and de-witched their brains before they could reach the BBQ stand.

27 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

John Mashey (21:59:41) :
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Gotta be Huey, yes?

27 10 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

Barack and Michelle Obama are like the Muhammad and Laila Ali of politics. Muhammad did not need no stikin’ bodyguard to accompany him when canvassing the ghetto while he was heavyweight champion of the world. Neither does Michelle need metal detectors when rallying her husband’s supporters in the ‘hood. (forgive the sports analogy, i hobby as a sports journalist for boxing and MMA matches in town … it’s a Vegas ‘thang!)

27 10 2008
kvass

In this crazy world of third rate journalism it is an enormous pleasure to find such clarity of writing and this latest effort was quite extraordinary. Who needs Huffington and the NYT when we have AKM. Congratulations on being the best.

27 10 2008
braveny

@Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh, PA

Loved hearing your story too, like Daisy, I am in CA
Since we are true blue Barack needs to be where he can make a difference, so I don’t mind. I imagine we will get a chance sometime in the next 8 years. Optomist I am. 🙂

27 10 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Karion,
I understand the feeling, also understand how someone might still vote for him. Couple that with the feeling that the other Washington is forever in our business and not in a good way.🙂
We did have a rather slimy senator for many years, Slade Gordon, he never got caught at anything but there were plenty of rumors, plus he was in bed with the timber industry trying to get the feds to take Salmon off the endangered species list and all that. It was enough for him to lose his seat to Patti Murray until then he was pretty much like Norm approval rating in the high 80s.

27 10 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

If America can send a white man to the moon and a black man to the Oval Office, we can do anything … including providing full employment and universal health care.

27 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

Dukes Happy To Yield

HARRISONBURG – At the end of Monday’s practice at Memorial Hall, Matt Brady gathered his team at center court and asked who planned to attend today’s Barack Obama campaign rally at the Convocation Center.

Every player’s hand went up.

http://www.dailynews-record.com/sports_details.php?AID=32745&CHID=3

27 10 2008
ira2

The details of this whole election hoopla and the “discovery” of the many racist and/or corrupt politicians should be included in school history books. It takes so much of the mystery out of past accounts of politics gone horribly wrong. If you look at what some people/organizations try to pull off even in this day and age (internet = freely available information on anything from any angle) and how so many people get sucked up in the rabid support of candidates with lies and deceit and vicious hatred to their “credit”, it shouldn’t make anybody wonder any more ever again how millions of people – who, unlike us today, never had the chance to learn the truth – could have fallen for charismatic liars in the past.

It gives me the willies that people still fall for it today, even with all the information about the lies and deceit and corruption out there for anyone to read. THAT is scary.

27 10 2008
White Agate

asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN:

An Alaska ‘Mudstock’ would be terrific. I was in Alaska about 3 summers ago and stayed at Alyeska lodge in Girdwood, outside of Anchorage and where Sen. Stevens built his dream home, I believe. It is a large ski resort since the 1960’s but in the summer they host all kinds of conferences. I had a great time with my family exploring around that area, and the town has a few restaurants, etc. Something to think about.

I am still thinking of Sen. Stevens and the Internet ‘tubes’ video that AKM posted a few months ago. Can you re-post it, AKM?

That video is the best argument to me for a new Senator, never mind the trial. I mean, 40 years is a long time, some new blood is needed at this point. Is there a happy medium to how long you should serve in politics? There are seniority benefits, that is, connections, getting to know the system, but then there are the obvious ego, stagnation and corruption issues if a person serves too long.

In a lot of firms they tell you to move on at 60 or 65. It’s not a question of being ‘too old,’ it’s a question of knowing when to move on, I guess. I guess Bloomberg feels he has more work to do, for example, and I guess New Yorkers feel that way, too. We shall see.

Longer than one term and less time than Jesse Helms…there has to be a happy medium there.

Now we know why all the jurors were so stressed out. It’ll be interesting to see how opinion evolves on this in the next week. Maybe some of it is just even imagining AK politics without Ted Stevens. I’ll be interested to read opinions later in the week and in the next few months.

Enjay in Eastern MT (21:49:37): A great Slate article from Christopher Hitchens, I agree. The Hitchster. Interesting unpacking of just what Palin and McCain have been talking about with regard to fruit flies and bear DNA: basic scientific research. It’s a great question, is she a “premillenial dispensationalist,” that would be in keeping with her religious background to some degree.

Night, all. Next project is driving people to the polls if needed.

27 10 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

The Nation has an open Poll —

What has been McCains biggest election blunder?

Selection of Sarah Palin 74%

lol

27 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

ira2 (22:24:36) :

It took my breath away to hear Elizabeth Hasselbeck spouting the hate lies on The View. Now I wouldn’t even watch snippets of The View on Youtube.

27 10 2008
Ted Stevens Convicted on ALL 7 Counts! « Navy Blue Wife

[…] Mudflats has the skinny coming out of the Alaskan wilderness on the fall of the Stevens empire with the Alaska Republican party apparently rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. […]

27 10 2008
santa "rot pipeline" cruzin

Santa Cruz is totally blue; will wait patiently for Obama as Prez.

@Windy City

Thanks, but White Witch would require sewing skills beyond my abilities. Maybe suit jacket with great big Polar Bear pin on lapel??????

27 10 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

My friends, I don’t caaare about an old washed up terroris…………senator. I mean, if the American people want to elect a VP who pals around with convicted felons, that’s OK with me. I just think they have the right to know the full extent of their relationship. Just because Sarah Palin launched her political career at the feet of a felon, that doesn’t reeeeeally matter does it? I realize she says he was just a guy in the neighborhood, but how much do we REALLY know about Sarah Palin and Ted Stevens?

27 10 2008
SMR

Wow John M! Who knew our gov had those southern roots?! Here I was thinking she was descended from those Branch Davidians in Idaho (her birth state)! I hope that she will go down in infamy like he did — minus the long service in government and the movies!

I am desperately hoping that Alaskans get fed up with all of her -gates and send her packing, and that she then has an illustrious career as a Tammy Faye type person with her own church and following of nutters in some southern state! If it has to be Louisiana, well, so be it! I like New Orleans — a lot — but if I never get to go there again because she’s in LA, well, that’ll be okay.

I hope Cajun Boy in the City doesn’t read that and ban me from his blog…

27 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

According to McClatchy, four U.S. senators have been convicted of crimes but not one has received a presidential pardon.

27 10 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

I have said it once and I will say it again. If I (a Harvard graduate) had to suffer through a ridiculous downturn in the economy in which i lost my home and my family’s savings so that a half-black, half-muslim man could be elected President of the United States, I would suffer through a thousand downturns in the economy. I crave a world in which there is truly no cultural limit to what my triracial son (African-American, Mexican-American, European-American) can accomplish during his lifetime.

Call me naive, but I do have a hunch that warren buffet, eric schmidt, steve wynn, lawrence summers, paul volcker, colin powell and the rest of the ultra-rich, ultra-powerful Obama supporters will step up their game Day One and quickly roll up their sleeves to help turn this economy around and ensure Obama’s re-election in 2012. It will be the most rapid economic turn-around that this world has ever seen!

27 10 2008
Enjay in Eastern MT

ira2 (22:24:36) :

The details of this whole election hoopla and the “discovery” of the many racist and/or corrupt politicians should be included in school history books. It takes so much of the mystery out of past accounts of politics gone horribly wrong. If you look at what some people/organizations try to pull off even in this day and age (internet = freely available information on anything from any angle) and how so many people get sucked up in the rabid support of candidates with lies and deceit and vicious hatred to their “credit”, it shouldn’t make anybody wonder any more ever again how millions of people – who, unlike us today, never had the chance to learn the truth – could have fallen for charismatic liars in the past.

It gives me the willies that people still fall for it today, even with all the information about the lies and deceit and corruption out there for anyone to read. THAT is scary.
_______________

If you ever get the chance Ira – there is a book called “the Politically Incorrect Guide to American History” (Thomas E Woods Jr.) or The Language Police -(Diane Ravitch) It is quite informative on how school history books have had to change to be “politically correct” from the right or left virtually changing what really happened historically. Or even children’s library reading materials must be labeled as “sexist” “stereotypical” “anti-human” from Cinderella – Hansel & Gretel – Jack & the Beanstalk – Dr Doolittle etc.

27 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@RM_TX (20:54:32) :
Yes, a felon can be in the Senate. But the Senate can toss him out.

Actually, this goes back to the Revolution. Britain was in the habit of tossing opposition members into jail for spurious reasons after their fake convictions. To prevent this the Constituion does not prohibit felons from serving. Additionally, a member of Congress cannot be detained for any reason if they are on the way to meet in Congress.

—-
Good morning all! Just a simple question : are you saying that a convicted felon can serve in our great Senate, but a convicted felon can’t vote?

27 10 2008
testerm

Sorry for being off topic once again. But I am very pissed about the card dealt to Senator Biden by this right-wing plant of a “reporter”. At a time when we are going through serious crisis in many areas, these a-holes want to continue their racist “socialist” agenda.
So here’s the link to tell the TV station just how you feel about this outrageous conflict of interest.

http://www.wftv.com/contact/index.html

27 10 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

@portland oregon native (20:58:35) :

Yup, we have to have a special elections. No more appointed replacements for us. Thank goodness!

27 10 2008
Sparky

am I first?….second?

sorry, Mudpuppies, I couldn’t help myself🙂

I just wanted to say, AKM, I’m feeling your words…we all are…very loud, very clear, full of passion. The crescendo of your essay, from delicate beginning to awesome end. All of our respective states have provided their own sense of embarrassment, I know you realize that. When something like this hits home, hits so close and hits so hard, emotions are raw. Maybe you are fortunate (at some level) that you have a gift, which allows you to express and expel some of your depth of feelings in the written word.

All of us are grateful we found Mudflats, through whatever path. We return frequently because we achieve a certain solace or esprit de corps: commonality and strength in numbers. Thank you for that. I only hope we can give something back.

27 10 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

A vote for Ted Stevens is a vote for Sarah Palin, no doubt about it.

She will appoint his successor when the Senate kicks him out, and she will appoint TODD.

27 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

I just joined you guys here, and I hope this hasn’t already been asked on an earlier thread, but did no one get the irony here?

“I ask the people of Alaska to join me in respecting the workings of our judicial system. I’m confident Sen. Stevens will do what’s right for the people of Alaska.” – Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska.

Okay, maybe not quite the judicial system per se, but after the Branchflower Investigation findings and the “I’m happy that I have been cleared of all wrongdoing.” doesn’t that seem like a double standard here coming from Missy?

27 10 2008
Sparky

@testerm (23:08:10) I am very pissed about the card dealt to Senator Biden by this right-wing plant of a “reporter”.

Testerm, you have every right to be pissed; frankly, I’m glad you are. You are doing the right thing in contacting this schmuck. I’ve written my thoughts too.

This was an attempt, not only to try and embarass Joe Biden, therefore embarrass Obama, but it was a serious attempt to try and get Joe angry, frustrated, and eventually strike back with uncontrolled emotion. They were very disappointed.

Remember Senator Biden’s responses? He called her on her questions, then laughed at her foolishness. Word on the street, Joe owned her, and I agree absolutley. Dems couldn’t be any prouder, and I think West is not sleeping very well.

BTW: Sparky “heart” Joe Mr. Biden is a great person, a great American, and cute to boot.

27 10 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

What? No more appointed Senators?

Wa ha ha, ho ho ho hee hee AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Sarah! FACE!

27 10 2008
Mired...in the Pine Barrens a/k/a Sap Needles Understory

Like many of you, I believe this is a sad day for Alaska. However, I feel no sadness for either Ted Stevens or those members of his family who were complicit in these crimes. He is not an honorable man (if he ever was) and should not be referred to as such. He has distinguished himself as a U.S. Senator who, through greed and arrogance, is now a convicted felon (pending appeals, of course). Ted Stevens brought dishonor on himself by violating the trust that was placed in him by the people of Alaska. Unfortunately, it will be difficult to understand the rationale of those voters who allow him to continue in office. Unless Stevens has expressed sincere remorse for his actions (which doesn’t appear to be the case so far) and had some consequence applied, justice will not be served.

It is terribly sad and shocking that a convicted felon is allowed to run for such high office in this country (or any office anywhere for that matter), but it would be shameful for him to be reelected. It is the duty and responsibility of public officials in Alaska, as well as members of both parties in the House and Senate, to demand Stevens’ resignation.

Is this too much to ask?

27 10 2008
Sparky

and I like to see Dems full of emotion, getting pissed at the cr@p in this world, and taking action. It’s about time we do😉 I hope we never stop.

27 10 2008
John Mashey

strangelet & SMR:

Yes, Huey Long, of “All the King’s Men” fame; I’m not sure about the remake, but the original was terrific.

I really, really recommend that AK residents read and ponder the relevant parts of the Huey Long Wikipedia entry.

27 10 2008
testerm

Thanks Sparky.
And when they get a link for dishing on Stevens and Palin I will sign up to give my opinion. Even though I am an outsider of Alaska those two still affect me.

27 10 2008
Sparky

When you see a wrong, try to make it right. You sound pretty okay to me, testerm! You inspire us all.

27 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@testerm (23:08:10) :
Sorry for being off topic once again. But I am very pissed about the card dealt to Senator Biden by this right-wing plant of a “reporter”.So here’s the link to tell the TV station just how you feel about this outrageous conflict of interest.


Thanks for the link – I just sent in my message : I used words like unprofessional, slanted, biassed, right-wing republican agenda and made the point of refering to Joe Biden as educated, knowledgeable, respected. I did see a clip of the interview – this is the news station my mom gets and I watch when I am visiting her – and it was embarrassing in its “questions”. I would love for someone at the station to actually answer my e-mail. I wonder what they would say.

27 10 2008
Dr. Patois

Off topic but since I often read your comments on Palinese/Palinisms, I wanted to be sure you read this description of Palin’s verbal skills.

“Sure, there’s a strange fascination in listening to Sarah Palin speak. Every sentence seems to pass through an surrealistic archway, as if its grammatical rules had been designed by M. C. Escher. Will it turn into a flock of birds, a school of fish, become its own wall or ceiling or stairway? But underneath this tangled skein of language, a picture is beginning to emerge. It’s a frightening picture and an ugly one.

It’s a picture that the most expensive makeup artist in the world can’t hide.”

Read the article here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/but-wait-by-palins-defini_b_137726.html?page=2&show_comment_id=17248925#comment_17248925

27 10 2008
Sparky

@ Jamie, Floridian in France (23:48:17) :

WOOOHOOOO! Let’s hear it for Jamie! You Rock my friend, simply rock!🙂

28 10 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

If we have a midsummer Mudstock and I can make it up there (as I assume it would be in the Anchorage area), I can bring a pie or make pies there if someone provides a kitchen…

28 10 2008
LGW in WA

On this humorous comment from Craig Ferguson’s show tonight: “Don’t think Sarah Palin will be reading the Anchorage Daily News any longer.” Please Alaskans, keep the ball rolling and go BLUE this year!

Thanks AKM for a stellar post today! My friends and I joke about needing a 12-step program after the election.

28 10 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

Earlier there were a few mentions of the Gov’s favorite consignment shop getting a ‘cease and desist’ order for its name, but did you see the best part? The perfect solution for what to do with the clothes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/27/out-of-the-closet-inside_n_138246.html

“…We also invite Governor Palin and the Republican National Committee to give back to the community by donating the Vice Presidential candidate’s campaign wardrobe to AIDS Healthcare Foundation’s ‘Out of the Closet’ following the election.”

What a wonderful opportunity for Bible Spice to do the right thing!

28 10 2008
AZ MOM

ahhhhh….it’s good to settle the day with a stop by the flats. this Stevens thing. i don’t know how McCain – the “maverick of the senate” – doesn’t come out and basically rip this guy up. oh wait! it’s because of the artic diva!

off topic: could someone do me a solid? can you venture over to my blog? it’s linked through my name thing. why? well, my husband’s coworker went there – they are very proMcCain – and emailed MY HUSBAND a list of talking points and suggested my sight was without perspective. and since I’m sort of a newbee here, and no one really knows me, i thought maybe someone would look in at my ranting and at least say i’m not as biased as most?! i don’t know WHY i care, but it really bothers me when someone counters that they are voting for McCain because of the following talking points:

*Come on, are you really blaming Palin for the hockey guy slipping? [ that’s referencing a post i put up about Palin and the puck drop. both teams lost those homegames. and uh, any sports fan sort of stays AWAY from jinxes, right? i mean, we’ve all seen Bull Durham!]

*What do you have to say about Bill Ayers? Friends? Served on a board with him….getting money from him? [wow, $200…compared to thousands G. Gordon Liddy has given McCain over the years…]

* Is Barack still in touch with Rev Wright? He started his campaign there….now they are NOT friends? [who doesn’t have a preacher problem? oh, i know! i know! Biden!]

*Barack is getting campaign contributions from Kadahfi? [WTF?]

*Why did Barack say the Constitution was fundamentally flawed? [well, if you listen to more than that 29 seconds of the radio show, you’d hear that provisions for civil rights is absent – for African Americans, as well as women…remember?]

*Barack RUSHED to his ailing grandmother. Not so sure 3 days to get to Hawaii is rushing. Guess all those campaign stops slowed him down a bit. Maybe she was not that sick? [this is the one that sent. me. over. the edge!]

*If he is so concerned with his family….what has he done for his half brother…living in a hut in Nairobi? [seriously? this would be the half brother, son of the same father who left HIM to be raised by a single white woman on food stamps, so that he could go back to Africa? i mean…what??]

I spent almost an hour and a half finding links refuting (sp?) some of that BS and then I realized, “BALLS! I just spent an HOUR AND A HALF REFUTING EFFING FOX NEWS TALKING POINTS?!? WTF???”

SO, seriously. anyone! just you know…validate my existence a little. consider it a deposit on some good karma!

28 10 2008
intelligentbydesign

@Scrimshaw – it’s almost poetic, isn’t it? Living in LA, I’ve been to a number of the Out of the Closet’s around here – they’re a great chain of stores who does a lot of good. I’d love to see them end up getting the clothes, even if it is just to help save face.

28 10 2008
Mayflower

Oh, AKM, I’m skipping right to the bottom, without reading the comments (please forgive me Mudflatters! I hope y’all will understand)… but when I spoke to a genuine Alaskan voter — oh, ’bout a month back (yeah, at Branchflower time)) — who literally trashed Palin to no end but then said, in no uncertain terms: “but you know I’ve got to vote Republican, because otherwise our guns will be taken away…” ……….Well…….Good God In Heaven How do I respond RATIONALLY TO THAT SH&$?????????

28 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@Sparky (23:51:31) :

Oh, thank you, thank you. It makes one feel so mighty good to be recognized and appreciated! We are all doing our bit in our own ways.

28 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@Mayflower (00:20:05) :

Ditto. A friend of mine back home in Fla started an e-mail conversation with me saying “I never followed politics and I know you are passionate about it, so I want your opinion…” Then he asked me question after question, asked me to comment on or disprove a lot of anti-Obama smear e-mails he was receiving and as best I could I answered, argued, dug up proof, voting records, videos, links to articles, etc. Finally he said, “Boy you do know alot!” and then added “But I have to vote for an ex-Pow, Obama will take away all of my guns and (referring to a comparison I made of all the 4 candidates education levels) education isn’t all it’s cracked up to be”. Yowzers! You are right – how do you respond to that????

28 10 2008
Sparky

Jamie, Floridian in France (00:22:08)

(Jamie, you take my breath away…it is me and others who need to thank you)

28 10 2008
AZ MOM

@ jamie, Floridian in France & @Mayflower:

You respond by saying education is paramount to maintaining and ensuring that the next generation is left those rights afforded us in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. AND you point them towards Obama’s own stance on guns…he won’t take ’em away. That isn’t anywhere near the top five on his list of things that need attention. But we can’t hold onto anything if we’re not smart enough to know when those elected officials get a little too big for their britches and start usupring those rights. That’s what I’d say, anyway.

28 10 2008
AZ MOM

damn it! i’m too tired to spell correctly….

28 10 2008
Melissa

The fact that Stevens was convicted should cement anybody who was going to vote for his opponent. I, for one, would never vote for a convicted felon, even if all he had was a DUI (my premier got a DUI while on vacation on Hawaii a few years back and smiled for his mug shot, which was plastered all over the news).

28 10 2008
Mayflower

Hey Jamie, Perhaps we need to educate ’em all on the “John Adams” HBO Series (I haven’t seen it yet — don’t have cable), but my minister just put this up on her page: ” ________is feeling proud to be an American, while watching the HBO “John Adams” series.” And my 8th grader came home today all excited to tell me about watching it in her social studies class………..(you know how when you’re kid starts talking enthuthastically about something at this age, it’s like — ok, drop everything. LISTEN. LISTEN. LISTEN!

(Ok, ‘teachers’ so I’m behind on my reading — haven’t read the book yet…. I know, it’s been out a while…. )

28 10 2008
Mayflower

whoops, spell check there…. “you know when how when your kid….”

28 10 2008
CityKid

I think Ted got off easy. It’s my opinion that there are much bigger skeletons in his closet. I saw more than a little bit of corruption when I lived in NYC. But big cities don’t have a corner on the market. What folks should bear in mind is what corruption costs you and me. Corrupt politicians do not make their decisions based on what is best for the public. It ends up costing us money, and perhaps a few folks might die as a result. Sad, very sad indeed.

28 10 2008
Sparky

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

OT Good news: Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight has projected (right word?) Begich to win at 87%!

Earlier, Begich and Stevens were too close for comfort. Hope this sticks.

And I hope I communicated this correctly.

28 10 2008
Mayflower

oh, and yep, I knew there was something about that “enthuthiastically” too. HEE HEE HEE! I know YOU GUYS WILL FORGIVE ME — it’s late!

28 10 2008
Martha Unalaska Yard Sign Toon

Aw, cmon – It’s just a LIBERAL ROGUE FILTER jury running wild outside of Alaska ! That must mean there is a LIBERAL ROGUE FILTER judge, too since he allowed the LIBERAL ROGUE FILTER jury to remain and deliberate.

Ya know – I used the to think that George Bush was the worst thing that ever happened to the standing of our great nation in the world. As he fades into hazy nightmarish memories… we have a runner up, and then another…

Okay, I love my state especially, and my country, too so I can’t secede because that would not be Pro-American and kinda mavericky and rogueish. So I have decided that SP and TS need to do the seceding, and quick like snowshoe bunnies! They are NOT my governor or senator anymore – I DENOUNCE them both forever, and for good.

They deserve nothing more than having their mouths washed out with bars of soap (I think it would take quite a few for starters). Remember dunce hats? Perfect! SP would try and decorate hers like a witch’s hat, since she’s too dim to know what a dunce hat is, & TS would think his was some sort of big oil wizard hat.

28 10 2008
ira2

Mayflower (00:20:05) :

Oh, AKM, I’m skipping right to the bottom, without reading the comments (please forgive me Mudflatters! I hope y’all will understand)… but when I spoke to a genuine Alaskan voter — oh, ’bout a month back (yeah, at Branchflower time)) — who literally trashed Palin to no end but then said, in no uncertain terms: “but you know I’ve got to vote Republican, because otherwise our guns will be taken away…” ……….Well…….Good God In Heaven How do I respond RATIONALLY TO THAT SH&$?????????

I’m not AKM, but I have an answer… I’d ask the person what information he bases that statement on. He’ll cite what we know as Republican propaganda. Then you ask him if everything he’s heard so far from those sources has proven to be true. He’ll either lie and say “yes” (in which case you pat him on the head and feel sorry for him) or he’ll be honest and say “no”. Then you ask him if he doesn’t think it a good idea to find out what Obama says about guns and gun ownership instead of blindly believing what Obama’s opposition (the above-mentioned “sources”) claims to be fact. He’ll either get scared of possibly having to get informed and make up his own mind so he tells you “no” (in which case you pat him on the head and feel sorry for him) or he’ll have a little light going on in his brain and decides to – get informed and make up his own mind. In which case you help him find the information he needs for that.

Btw, if he has a bunker room full of assault rifles and military this ‘n that, don’t bother talking to him… those people are beyond ANY good sense.

28 10 2008
testerm

I am going to bed now but wanted to leave you all with a petition to put a stop to yet another “bachmanite”. I can’t seem to shake this thing. I guess this is how I felt about M. Bachman when I couldn’t stop writing her down or donating to keep her opponent up.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/action-item-tell-wftv-and-barbara-west-to-apologize-for-biden-hatchet-job/

28 10 2008
Martha Unalaska Yard Sign Toon

“I DENOUNCE them both forever, and for good”

Oops, a little too mavericky of me to say the same thing twice in one sentence. SP is RUINING my vocabulary and writing skills – HELP !!

28 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

AZ MOM (00:12:03) :

Your blog looks good to me and is well designed. But that won’t influence your your husband’s friend. I would suggest that he is in a panic and his questions reflect it. His “points” are not talking points, they are definitely not thinking points, they are heavily conditioned responses. It’s one of the fundamental axioms of Psychology that fear leads to regressive behavior. Individuals who normally think clearly stop doing so when they panic. They regress down the “behavioral hierarchy” as when their responses fail to eliminate the threat. So they move from logic to being depressed to rationalizing to striking out to denial in sort of a reverse sequence to Kubler-Ross’s stages, ultimately they lapse into infantile behavior and moan and wail when else fails. Right now he appears to be in the lashing out stage with almost reflexive behaviors. It’s reasonable to hypothesize that in about eight days he will be curled up in a fetal position and wailing if he doesn’t come to his senses in the interim.

Jamie, Floridian in France (00:28:40) : I would say you friend is borderline between passive aggressive and denial on the same regression hierarchy. as AZ MOM’s friends

28 10 2008
CityKid

ira2 (00:48:40) :

……Btw, if he has a bunker room full of assault rifles and military this ‘n that, don’t bother talking to him… those people are beyond ANY good sense.

Sorry, but I’d have to disagree. I know some of the “bunker types” of which you speak. Some are wack jobs, but others are very thoughtful and believe that they have an obligation to do what they do. Just my .02 and I’m coming at this with a very leftist perspective.

28 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Having said all of the comments about AZ MOM and Jamie’s acquaintances, I’ll point out that they apply to the general support of Ted Stevens and the people afraid of losing their guns – fear creates all sorts of denial and anger.

28 10 2008
AZ MOM

eajphd Molten Contra Palin (00:52:31)

thank you. thank you. thank you. i appreciate your taking the time and your perspective. and with that, i can go to sleep. see all you wonderful peeps in the morning…7 more days. thanks be to God. HUGS!

28 10 2008
Mayflower

AZ Mom, Oh no darlin’ what I’m trying to tell those that make voice those ‘so-called’ worries to me is how far they are from my mind – honest to God! And while I can relate to those whose worries are the whole ‘power corrupts thing’ I am FAR MORE WORRIED AT THIS POINT ABOUT THE FREAKS IN THE (what’s left of) REPUBLICAN PARTY…….

That’s where I’m coming from & why I’ve got so many ‘issues’ with family on ‘other sides of the fence-so-to-speak’ (I call ’em “outlaws” at this point….)

Peace to you🙂

28 10 2008
ira2

CityKid (00:53:16) :

Sorry, but I’d have to disagree. I know some of the “bunker types” of which you speak. Some are wack jobs, but others are very thoughtful and believe that they have an obligation to do what they do. Just my .02 and I’m coming at this with a very leftist perspective.

An obligation to amass a small arsenal of military weapons, in a private home, by a private person? How does that work? To whom do they feel obligated?

28 10 2008
Mayflower

Ssssheeesssh…. as you can tell, it’s way past my sleep hour. Don’t know how I will get up in time to get breakfast off……..

Goodnight all — I so enjoy your insights I often tumble down here even when I’m not up just to check in and lurk and see what’s up……..

28 10 2008
CityKid

ira2 (00:57:54) :

An obligation to amass a small arsenal of military weapons, in a private home, by a private person? How does that work? To whom do they feel obligated?

One of the most prominent features in many photographs of the left intelligentsia in France after WWII was a pistol on the mantel or a table. And, I often wonder, how many more African Americans would have been lynched had they not owned a rifle, pistol or a shotgun? Have times changed all that much in the last 50 – 100 years that we no longer have anything to fear? I certainly don’t think so.

28 10 2008
28 10 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

AZ MOM (00:12:03) :
Visited your blog, once again. I like your writing very much, and you were calmer and more reasonable than I am presently able to be.

Also in AZ here… my OSO (occasionally significant…) and I have got into it by email, and I have carefully refuted FOX talking points with Factcheck, and fight-the-smears and other choice articles on more neutral venues. Come to find his hook issues are guns and abortion, and though I can argue that his constitutional rights are safe, he will believe what he wants to… and this is why I avoided visiting during election season. And why it would seem sensible to dump the great white hunter for some pleasant witty Allan Alda sort, maybe, soon.

I admire your blog’s calm tone. I used to be calm, fairly recently. It was before August 29th. I definitely need a backrub.

28 10 2008
AZ MOM

Mayflower: Oh, I see. I get that.

this whole thing can be sort of the last moment in many relationships where the veil of the nonpartisan aspects of those interactions is finally lifted and discarded. and we see one another in the light of day. all of our beliefs, prejudices, ideology. finally out there. the genie out of the bottle. for many of us, we’ll walk away from those relationships that cannot be repaired, are no longer comfortable. but what about those we are tethered to? how do we get past these days of itchy wool feelings and back to where we were while still engaging in debate that helps keep all of our politicians on the straight an narrow?

why does this election feel as though we’ve all be cast into a surreal season of “Survivor”?

And if i missed your point again, dear Mayflower, i’m ever so sorry. it is well past my bedtime and my focus has long left me.🙂 you’re ever so dear to even give word to my previous post.

sweet dreams, sweet democracy lovin’ peeps!

28 10 2008
Sparky

testerm (00:51:13) :

I am going to bed now but wanted to leave you all with a petition to put a stop to yet another “bachmanite”. I can’t seem to shake this thing. I guess this is how I felt about M. Bachman when I couldn’t stop writing her down or donating to keep her opponent up.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/action-item-tell-wftv-and-barbara-west-to-apologize-for-biden-hatchet-job/

Thank you for this, testerm, if I’m still awake, I’ll forward to the next thread…it’s good stuff.

We’ve got your back, Mudpup… Sleep well.

28 10 2008
ira2

CityKid (01:01:26) :

An obligation to amass a small arsenal of military weapons, in a private home, by a private person? How does that work? To whom do they feel obligated?

One of the most prominent features in many photographs of the left intelligentsia in France after WWII was a pistol on the mantel or a table. And, I often wonder, how many more African Americans would have been lynched had they not owned a rifle, pistol or a shotgun? Have times changed all that much in the last 50 – 100 years that we no longer have anything to fear? I certainly don’t think so.

This is 2008. It doesn’t really matter what they did in France after WWII or whether or not a black person could have gotten away with shooting a bunch of white guys out to lynch him. The argument that “fear” justifies a private person’s amassing a small arsenal of military weapons in a private home really doesn’t wash… if anything, it makes it more of a problem, considering that people who are caught up in fear usually let their cool judgment go out the window, and that’s NOT the kind of people we want to see with high-powered weaponry in hand.
And your explanation still doesn’t address the “obligation” part. To whom do they feel obligated in amassing a small arsenal of military weapons?

28 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@AZMom and @ ira2 :

I sent him the endorsement by Jim Brady of the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence, Repub and former Reagan Press Secretary. The endorsment iss an eloquent call for the importance to vote for the candidates best able to take on the gun lobby and protect both our rights to own guns and safety from the dangerous to procur arms. He very clearly explains McCain’s flip-flop on the Assualt Weapon ban in an attempt to pander to the right. Everyone should read this endorsement and send it to someone who is voting “pro-gun”.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/10-13-2008/0004902529&EDATE=

28 10 2008
CityKid

ira2 (01:12:46) :

This is 2008. It doesn’t really matter what they did in France after WWII or whether or not a black person could have gotten away with shooting a bunch of white guys out to lynch him. The argument that “fear” justifies a private person’s amassing a small arsenal of military weapons in a private home really doesn’t wash… if anything, it makes it more of a problem, considering that people who are caught up in fear usually let their cool judgment go out the window, and that’s NOT the kind of people we want to see with high-powered weaponry in hand.
And your explanation still doesn’t address the “obligation” part. To whom do they feel obligated in amassing a small arsenal of military weapons?

To answer your question, their friends, neighbors and our country. I have to disagree with you on what might seem “old,” I think the tales of the French leftists (although the Greeks and Poles are in many ways more telling) have profound meaning today as many had been part of the resistance movement (they killed people and destroyed property). Take a look at some of the footage available from Seattle, NYC (RNC) or Minneapolis (this year), and then consider that NorCom commanders, and others, have recently been instructed to “consider” scenarios that involve civil unrest “at home.” Fear – you bet!

28 10 2008
Sparky

NEW THREAD MUDPUPPIES (with a request)

28 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@ira2 :

How I agree with you. How does Sarah Palin need an assault weapon for hunting? Who in suburnia needs an arsenal of weapons. Remember a few years ago that poor Japanese exchange student who was looking for a Halloween Party that he had been invited to and rang someone’s doorbell and the guy just opened his front door and shot and killed the student? There were 2 more students shot and killed yesterday at an Arkansas college. How many more incidents of this kind do we need? And to protect the rights of hunters and rednecks? European countries, one after the other, responded to incidents like this very quickly, tightening gun laws, and the numbers of gun deaths drops and drops. And Europeans still hunt to their heart’s content.

A very good-night Sparky!

28 10 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

Thanks for that Brady link, Jamie in France.
Bookmarked and printed, and it will be helpful.
I don’t know why I’m still up… maybe for that.
Dors bien!🙂

28 10 2008
CityKid

European countries, one after the other, responded to incidents like this very quickly, tightening gun laws, and the numbers of gun deaths drops and drops.

SOME European countries. Switzerland might be an exception.

28 10 2008
ira2

@ Jamie, Floridian in France (01:14:38) :

It’s clear enough language to non-gun nuts, but probably makes the bunker arsenal types recoil in horror. The snippet that I myself (as a hunter/ gun owner) really liked was posted here a while back:

A Nana from Alaska (15:18:47) :

APRN Talk of Alaska has had two people call in this week to talk about NRA lies about Obama being opposed to second amendment rights.

This is Obama’s actual position on hunting and fishing and the right to bear arms.

“Hunting and fishing are not just recreational pursuits, they are part of our national heritage. America’s hunters and anglers uphold a tradition that connects generations and brings families and friends together across our great nation. Today, we celebrate this tradition and the conservation legacy of hunters and anglers. National Hunting and Fishing Day is a time to reaffirm our commitment to America’s sportsmen. As President, I will protect the right to bear arms, increase access to places to hunt and fish, take on polluters and clean up our streams and lakes, and protect our nation’s important wildlife habitat and wetlands. I will enhance programs that encourage young people to hunt and fish and respect and protect the outdoors. Our nation’s sportsmen have made sure that this and future generations can enjoy our natural resources and wildlife. As President, I will stand with them and ensure that America’s hunting and fishing heritage endures.”

As Montana’s Gov. Schweitzer puts it, “He ain’t gonna take your guns away.”

And as Obama has said again recently to the people in West Virginia: “I’m not going to take your shotguns. I’m not going to take your rifles. I’m not going to take your handguns.”

People who insist on having the kinds and number of weapons to outfit a mini army won’t be swayed by this, of course. They’re not interested in hunting rifles or a handgun for home protection or target shooting.

28 10 2008
CityKid

As I said before, I think this is a “knee jerk” position.

ira2 (01:27:52) :

@ Jamie, Floridian in France (01:14:38) :

It’s clear enough language to non-gun nuts, but probably makes the bunker arsenal types recoil in horror. The snippet that I myself (as a hunter/ gun owner) really liked was posted here a while back:

….

‘Hunting and fishing are not just recreational pursuits, they are part of our national heritage. America’s hunters and anglers uphold a tradition that connects generations and brings families and friends together across our great nation.
…..

Like I said, some of the folks you portray as “bunker” “arsenal” “nuts” are not “crazy.” Guns are not just for hunting – ask anyone from Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan and a slew of other countries.

28 10 2008
ira2

CityKid (01:01:26) :

One of the most prominent features in many photographs of the left intelligentsia in France after WWII was a pistol on the mantel or a table. And, I often wonder, how many more African Americans would have been lynched had they not owned a rifle, pistol or a shotgun? Have times changed all that much in the last 50 – 100 years that we no longer have anything to fear? I certainly don’t think so.

CityKid (01:18:43) :

To answer your question, their friends, neighbors and our country. I have to disagree with you on what might seem “old,” I think the tales of the French leftists (although the Greeks and Poles are in many ways more telling) have profound meaning today as many had been part of the resistance movement (they killed people and destroyed property). Take a look at some of the footage available from Seattle, NYC (RNC) or Minneapolis (this year), and then consider that NorCom commanders, and others, have recently been instructed to “consider” scenarios that involve civil unrest “at home.” Fear – you bet!

Ok :o) I’ll take your word for it :o) Fear it is, and the 2008 version of “a pistol on the mantel” or “a rifle, pistol or a shotgun” – the private military arsenal.
And… um… tinfoil? Lots of tinfoil, definitely lots of tinfoil :o)

28 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Windy City, AKA Alien Ears not Palin (21:06:43) :
“It is funny–because of mudflats and the conversations here, I now really feel like I am a patriot along with all of you.”

I think that’s a very important observation. I’m not sure if you are deliberately referencing the Patriots’ Committees of Correspondence* or if you are simply experiencing what they must have felt as they organized the revolution. If its the latter, I think it’s more significant, because it means America is rediscovering its grassroots democratic roots through the Internet.

*”The committees of correspondence were body organized by the local governments of the Thirteen Colonies during the American Revolution for the purposes of coordinating written communication outside of the colony. These served an important role in the Revolution, disseminating the colonial interpretation… ” http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_were_in_the_committees_of_correspondence

28 10 2008
CityKid

What do you do with the tinfoil??

ira2 (01:36:21) :

And… um… tinfoil? Lots of tinfoil, definitely lots of tinfoil :o)

28 10 2008
rf11 in FL

AKM, a great piece, as usual!

Palin said: “Interesting. So it’s the corrupting influence of big oil, not the corrupt compliance of politicians. Subtle distinction. It wasn’t Ted’s fault…it was those darn kids he was hanging around with that got him into trouble.”

Is she setting the stage for her own corruption conviction when housegate gets prosecuted?

“In a nutshell, Sarah Palin said absolutely nothing with any substance. How very…..Sarah Palin.”

I love this line!

Lastly, AKM, I don’t know why you are so outraged that the Alaska GOP would ask people to vote for a convicted felon. You should know by now that Republicans only comply with legal system mandates with which they agree.

You know, if you don’t like the verdict, ignore it. (“No hint of any unethical behavior…”)

Say it wasn’t a jury of peers. (I love this one – maybe the jurors weren’t REAL Americans, or they were Anti-American).

If you don’t want to honor a subpoena because you would be expected to tell the truth about an important Republican official, ignore it.

And, Palin asks Alaskans to join her “in respecting the workings of the judicial system.” Hmmm…she has strange ways of showing respect.

28 10 2008
austintx

Uncle Ted knows where ALL the dead bodies are buried……..to stay out of the jailhouse- he will roll over……….ALL GOP candidates that took Northern Lights PAC money must return it NOW. McDoofus – return the 5k NOW !!

28 10 2008
SC Strike Chipper Hussein ProAmerican Goodwill Shopper Palin

The details of this whole election hoopla and the “discovery” of the many racist and/or corrupt politicians should be included in school history books. It takes so much of the mystery out of past accounts of politics gone horribly wrong.

Would that it could happen. In the US, textbook selection is such an incredibly political and corrupt practice that you probably don’t want your kids reading them. State powers select the books and it is so $$$$ lucrative that it’s as dirty as anything you could imagine. (and if it were teachers selecting, then you have to worry about nutcases there, too) Most of t he books are nowhere close to neutral–or accurate–on many, many parts of history. Which is part of why kids don’t know what the hell is going on.

28 10 2008
Expat Deb

Rep. Don Young says “I’m deeply disappointed. It surprises me. I don’t think he had a jury of his peers. That’s the way it goes. I’m sure there will be an appeal:

I find his statement ludicrous. I’d love to hear a journalist ask him just WHO exactly he thinks WOULD be a proper jury.

Sounds to me like the jury had no problem at all arriving at a clear and just verdict. But, I am shocked and dismayed to find out that a CONVICTED FELON could sit on the US Senate. I have to say, this is something I didn’t know was possible. I’m left shaking my head…. Alaska – GO BLUE!

28 10 2008
SC Strike Chipper Hussein ProAmerican Goodwill Shopper Palin

I’m guessing that a jury of his “peers” would be a bunch of octagenarians who make much more money than they need and are constantly deluged with expensive gifts I(like additions to their houses)
That could be hard to find…

There may be 12 other Senators who qualify, but I don’t think any of them would want to volunteer that information!

28 10 2008
Expat Deb

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh – THANKS! I don’t know if you’ll see this (we’re way down thread by now…) But, I was SO inspired reading your account of what it was like to be at one of Barack’s speeches. Living overseas it is just driving me crazy that I’m not there to see him in person. I am most grateful to people like you who come back and blog about the incredible experience!!!

I had goose-bumps reading your post. What an incredible moment in time!

28 10 2008
Expat Deb

So maybe a jury of 12 rich, octagenarian male Republicans is what he’s talking about??!! Go figure (though I would like to see him argue that in front of a judge!)

Nothing like fair and balanced : )

28 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh, PA (20:34:23) :

I just read your report. Thank you so much for writing it. I had a big work day and was unable to go to the Civic Arena for his speech. It holds probably 20,000 so if it was filled that was very good. The diversity that you mentioned is what this country needs. We will all have to pull together now. Again, thank you so much for the report. It is wonderful that your daughter got to see a man of this caliber.

I look forward to seeing you at the next Pittsburgh Mudstock! Bring your daughter. I would love to hear her views on this very important Election and what she learned!

28 10 2008
Anonymous

FTA: “THE most important Alaskan Republican in the history of the state has just been indicted on seven felony counts.”

Stevens was not “just” indicted. Being indicted simply means being charged with a crime. That’s like the beginning of a criminal case. Stevens, however, was “just” found guilty of the crimes of which he was indicted. The verdict is the end of a criminal case (at the trial level).

So, the sentence in the article should read: “THE most important Alaskan Republican in the history of the state has just been found guilty of seven felonies.”

28 10 2008
avahome

Excellent commentary AKM. The whispers about Stevens and corruption had been going on for years. A smart man maybe would have thought about cleaning up his act and making restitution…..guess not. But to be sure, Alaskans used Stevens as their “Sugar Daddy” and Ted just reveled in that…… he should have never believed the hype, because the bigger you are, the harder you fall.

I don’t think Stevens will go down alone… Wonder who he will take with him?

28 10 2008
pegolas

Ted Stevens isn’t allowed to vote now, but he’s still asking for yours, Alaska. Gotta love it.

28 10 2008
WV Democrat

@ AZ Mom
@ Mayflower

Every 4 years the Rethuglicans trot out God, guns, gays, and abortion. They clamor that the Dem candidate will raise their taxes. I was born in 1958 and started voting when I was 18. My Mom (RIP) was a Dem activist and I was drawn into her world. I thank her for that. BUT what I wanted to say was that the GOP every 4 years says the same things year in and year out. When Bush started the illegal war in Iraq, Dems became synonymous with terrorist sympathizer, anti-patriotic, and anti-American while the Bush admin forbid the press to film or photograph the caskets of our dead youth arriving home from the illegal war. The Bush admin supported torture of our supposed enemies and broke the Geneva Convention. They (perhaps irreparably) harmed our country’s image abroad.

Three years ago Bush came to speak at a local music hall. I was with a protest group. We camped out on the sidewalk across the street from the site but were forcedly moved two blocks over by the SS, state cops, and city cops. I was threatened with jail if I didn’t move.

I protested Palin a few weeks ago at that same Palin rally Al Jeezera filmed. I was called everything but a white woman. And I do mean everything. I at one point was a bit afraid for my safety.

I did not vote for Bush in 2000 nor in 2004. He always gave me that creepy feeling. In 2000, I thought that if McCain won the GOP nomination, I could live with that but he did not. He is not the same person he was in 2000. He has sold his soul to win this election. I do not wish to pay for his soul in American lives over the next 4 years, nor in the shame of my own that he is our leader.
So I have worked my hardest to elect Barack Obama. While early on I would have preferred Hillary (and parts of me still do), we Democrats need to win this election. Each and every seat we can in both national, state, and local government. We need to again become the best nation in the world.

I”ll shut up now. I need more coffee…

28 10 2008
WV Democrat

The day the Barbara West interview hit national news, I was appalled and wrote to the station manager via contact info on their website explaining my dismay. Today, I received an anwer via email. Here is that reply:

28 10 2008
WV Democrat

Whoops! Didn’t include the reply. Really need more coffee. Here it is:

Dear Viewer:

Thank you for taking time to contact us regarding Barbara West’s recent interview with democratic Vice Presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden.

The Obama campaign contacted us last week offering Senator Biden, via satellite, for a short interview. Barbara West, one of our most experienced anchors, was asked to interview Senator Biden, just as she had been on previous occasions.

It is our goal at Eyewitness News when interviewing any political candidate or public official to ask them a direct question about an issue currently in the public debate. Last week, when much of the political discourse centered on Senator Obama’s statement to ‘Joe the Plumber’ that he thought ‘sharing the wealth’ was a good idea, Barbara decided to ask Senator Biden just how far an Obama-Biden administration would go in ‘sharing the wealth’. What followed was very pointed, provocative question. We allowed Senator Biden to answer, fully unedited.

We tell our reporters and news anchors to ask the questions that one of our viewers might ask. For example, when Senator Obama visited Lakeland recently, Barbara (knowing her time with a presidential candidate would be limited) asked Senator Obama two questions: first, about drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico; and, second, about his position on the space program. The Senator’s answers dominated the news cycle for the next day.

You can see all of Barbara’s interviews with political candidates at WFTV.com including one she just did Monday with Senator John McCain.

Perhaps more than any other presidential election in recent memory, this current election has stirred passions – some of them quite partisan – in many people. Through it all, we believe our mission is to address vital issues that we will face together, regardless of our own personal views with thorough, even handed reporting.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.

28 10 2008
WV Democrat

Dear Viewer:

Thank you for taking time to contact us regarding Barbara West’s recent interview with democratic Vice Presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden.

The Obama campaign contacted us last week offering Senator Biden, via satellite, for a short interview. Barbara West, one of our most experienced anchors, was asked to interview Senator Biden, just as she had been on previous occasions.

It is our goal at Eyewitness News when interviewing any political candidate or public official to ask them a direct question about an issue currently in the public debate. Last week, when much of the political discourse centered on Senator Obama’s statement to ‘Joe the Plumber’ that he thought ‘sharing the wealth’ was a good idea, Barbara decided to ask Senator Biden just how far an Obama-Biden administration would go in ‘sharing the wealth’. What followed was very pointed, provocative question. We allowed Senator Biden to answer, fully unedited.

We tell our reporters and news anchors to ask the questions that one of our viewers might ask. For example, when Senator Obama visited Lakeland recently, Barbara (knowing her time with a presidential candidate would be limited) asked Senator Obama two questions: first, about drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico; and, second, about his position on the space program. The Senator’s answers dominated the news cycle for the next day.

You can see all of Barbara’s interviews with political candidates at WFTV.com including one she just did Monday with Senator John McCain.

Perhaps more than any other presidential election in recent memory, this current election has stirred passions – some of them quite partisan – in many people. Through it all, we believe our mission is to address vital issues that we will face together, regardless of our own personal views with thorough, even handed reporting.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.

28 10 2008
WV Democrat

The rest of my message did not post for some reason. Here it is again.

Dear Viewer:

Thank you for taking time to contact us regarding Barbara West’s recent interview with democratic Vice Presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden.

The Obama campaign contacted us last week offering Senator Biden, via satellite, for a short interview. Barbara West, one of our most experienced anchors, was asked to interview Senator Biden, just as she had been on previous occasions.

It is our goal at Eyewitness News when interviewing any political candidate or public official to ask them a direct question about an issue currently in the public debate. Last week, when much of the political discourse centered on Senator Obama’s statement to ‘Joe the Plumber’ that he thought ‘sharing the wealth’ was a good idea, Barbara decided to ask Senator Biden just how far an Obama-Biden administration would go in ‘sharing the wealth’. What followed was very pointed, provocative question. We allowed Senator Biden to answer, fully unedited.

We tell our reporters and news anchors to ask the questions that one of our viewers might ask. For example, when Senator Obama visited Lakeland recently, Barbara (knowing her time with a presidential candidate would be limited) asked Senator Obama two questions: first, about drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico; and, second, about his position on the space program. The Senator’s answers dominated the news cycle for the next day.

You can see all of Barbara’s interviews with political candidates at WFTV.com including one she just did Monday with Senator John McCain.

Perhaps more than any other presidential election in recent memory, this current election has stirred passions – some of them quite partisan – in many people. Through it all, we believe our mission is to address vital issues that we will face together, regardless of our own personal views with thorough, even handed reporting.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.

28 10 2008
Mine Guy

Wow, I stand corrected; well done AK with respect to Mr. Stevens. He really is a crook.

28 10 2008
SMR

I guess what is really striking about Don Young’s statement is that it shows how much he believes he is above everyone else. Ted Stevens could have been less educated & intelligent than every person on that jury, how would Don Young know? He DID have a jury of his peers in the sense that any one of the people on the jury can run for elected office at any time they choose, they happen to have a different JOB than Stevens, but that does not make them any less his peers.

All that from a guy who is stupider than dirt! Don Young, I mean, not Ted, who is actually quite intelligent…

What a maroon!

28 10 2008
Marie in NH

Questions, Why do you need an assault rifle to shoot a deer? Or another animal? Answer, you don’t. Also, Diane Sawyer was once asked this question. If you had a gun, could you pull the trigger if someone were breaking into your house? She hesitated. The gentleman, (I forget who) Said if you hesitate at the question then the answer is you could not pull the trigger. If you hesitate then don’t buy a gun, you will most likely get shot with it by the thief.
Bush lost a momentous opportunity when he did not get the Brady Bill extended. That was such a pity.

As for Stevens, how anyone can vote for him, I’ll never know. We just want to know if Sarah will get caught in his downfall. PLEASE YES!!!!!

I agree with WV Democrat. McCain sold his soul for this election. Here’s hoping he finds it again… After Nov 5th.

28 10 2008
healingmagichands

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/28/politics/p064944D72.DTL&tsp=1

This is an article about John McCain’s suggestion that Stevens should step down from his position as Senator.

AKM, I’d like to see your thoughts on this in a post.

Specifically, I think one thing you should address is the fact that if Stevens steps down, that means the Governor of Alaska, who we all know is our “favorite” person, Ms. Palin, would get to appoint his replacement. What do you think the chances are that she would appoint herself? She no doubt would see it as a golden opportunity to place herself on the national stage for the next four years, positioning herself for her next ambition, which apparently is running for president in 2012.

28 10 2008
tspey

Great post AKM. Sorry to jump on so late.

McHugh is the next Reudrich in the making. Palin is the next…?

While driving to work this morning I fast forwarded to next week and imagined Obama as president. A smile broke on my face… then an overwhelming feeling of pride. Suddenly the 10 degree weather felt comforting. We are so close to this reality. I plan on being on the Anchorage streets come Tuesday holding my Obama, Begich, Berkowitz signs!

My co-worker who mentioned after Steven’s verdict that he would still vote for Uncle Ted after a night of contemplation confessed to me this morning that he would NOT vote for Stevens. I could tell by his eyes looking down at his feet that he was asking himself why. How could his all-powerful party have come to this? He also mentioned that Stevens needs to take himself out of the running in respect of all Alaskans.

28 10 2008
SMR

@tspey:

Thank God, I’m so glad to hear that your co-worker has not completely lost his mind…

Mark Begich is on Talk of Alaska (is that the correct name for the show?) on 91.1. Point any insane lunatics considering voting for Ted in that direction.

Since I was a registered republican until the I heard the sorry news of the Palin pick, I do not consider all republicans lunatics — just the ones considering voting for Ted the felon, and any ticket that has Palin on it………

28 10 2008
Gone South

I love the part that he will fight this unjust conviction. What’s unjust is that we have been paying him for 40 years to steal form all of us. He is just another of Alaska’s Republican corrupt. So far as the Governor’s comment, she is typically filling the air with another meaningless series of words that has no real meaning.

28 10 2008
SMR

Also (hate using that word now) — the republican party has completely gone off the rails, and republicans with a conscience cannot continue to vote party line! We must send a message that until they shed the right-wing religious fundamentalists & neo-cons, we can’t be proud of or supporters of the party!

28 10 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

Yes, but was it a sad day?

28 10 2008
more cowbell

So … he can’t VOTE, but he can SERVE IN THE SENATE? Wow. Gotta love the system.

I thought S.Palin’s response to the conviction was bad enough, but Mr. Pierre’s response and advice to Republicans … come on, people, talk about your party losing credibility. After the last 8 years, and the various Republican dramas over the last year or so, I honestly don’t understand how anyone can continue to support this party.

28 10 2008
notjoe6pack

If Stevens were to step down, say, tomorrow, and Palin then names a successor, wouldn’t that person only have until election day? In other words, the seat would still be up for reelection, right?

28 10 2008
tspey

@SMR,

Here is what we are up against…

Alaskan readers respond to Anchorage Daily News Obama Endorsement:

http://www.adn.com/opinion/letters/story/569714.html

Ignorance exemplified…

28 10 2008
SMR

@tspey — I know. I know. I stopped reading the reader comments on ADN long ago, made my eyes bleed. Some on this blog have talked about the ADN comments and my response is always “STOP READING THEM!” As a matter of fact, I think I told that to someone here just yesterday………..

I also canceled my subscription to ADN after their pathetic coverage of the AK Women against SP, Alaskans for Truth and Pro-Obama rallies — photos & captions & misstated numbers for those and big stories about the poorly-attended Palin rallies.

Go to this link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/28/13364/503/1011/644778

It will renew your spirit after the hate on ADN… Can you imagine being a part of that? I keep telling my teen “we are making history.” My 3-yr-old doesn’t get it, but she does go door to door with me here in Eagle River, which is masochistic to say the least… I got her an Obama t-shirt the other day, she pulled it out of the mailer and said “A new Obama t-shirt! For me? I love it!” She can’t read, but she knows her letters, and knows that an O & B as the first letters must mean Obama!

It’s the best of times & the worst of times, must keep positive thoughts about all that Obama can do to heal this country in my head. Keep on fighting the good fight with me, fellow Alaskan! Yes we can!

28 10 2008
28 10 2008
tspey

@SMR,

Thanks for the link. I needed that after reading the comments on ADN. It is so nice to know a new generation is being cultivated for a much needed change from the status quo. Keep up the hard work in E.R. of all places! I live in Bill A’s neighborhood which paradoxically is a democratic stronghold in Anchorage. :oD

I’m pondering which street corner will need the most support for Obama, Begich and Berkowitz. My donations are sent and re-sent (after yesterday’s verdict). I’ll be wearing my Obama hoodie in our fight towards a more democratic Alaska and America!

Some street corner ideas:

In front of the old Veco building
In front of the Ted Stevens’ headquarters
In front of??? ANY IDEAS?

28 10 2008
SC Strike Chipper Hussein ProAmerican Goodwill Shopper Palin

butting in on the conversation between ira2 and CityKid:

And, I often wonder, how many more African Americans would have been lynched had they not owned a rifle, pistol or a shotgun?

I don’t think owning a gun has ever saved an AfricanAmerican (or much of anyone else) from lynching. I’m guessing we’re talking about the KKK at it’s zenith? Lynch mobs don’t bother to attack someone with power and when those crimes were at their most prevalent in the US, AA folks didn’t have power (regardless of gun ownership) and they were outnumbered. That’s why they were victimized, among other reasons. I’d guess that anyone who was deterred by a man with a gun would simply return with superior firepower–whatever would work.
The idea that amassing weapons is some kind of realistic defense, especially against a government gone “rogue”, is pretty naive IMHO.
So stock up on tinfoil…

28 10 2008
SMR

Hi tspey!

Hmmm. Street corners. Well, the Petroleum Club is still in the Calais Building, as far as I know… Alternately, there is the area along C between Tudor & 36th (just down from the calais buildings), that nice wide spot around the Burrito King & the cool Native building with the whale bone sculpture.

What about trying to get a mini-rally going on voting day, gathering throughout the day in front of the library waving our Obama/Begich/Berkowitz signs on the stretch along 36th? Or maybe downtown along the parkstrip somewhere?

I’ve got to pick my hubby up at the airport 5:40p, so could head to town a few hours early & stand around in the cold, carry my sign up/down the road to the nearest “liberal” coffee shop for some warmth……

I am working on raising little liberals, but my husband has some input there, too, and he’s not given up his republican status, even though he is voting with intelligence & conscience for Obama this year.

4 11 2008
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