Will the Real Rogue Please Stand Up?

26 10 2008

I’m sorry…(sticking finger in ear and wiggling)…I’m afraid I didn’t hear you properly McCain aide.  You were saying something about someone in Alaska being “rogue”.  You MUST mean Sarah Palin’s ex-brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten, or former Commissioner of Public Safety, Walt Monegan.

Don’t you remember when our governor and her mouthpieces told the whole country they were “rogue”?  Yeah, I know…pretty serious stuff that “rogue” talk.  Pretty scary.  Ask any cop on the force.  Being called a “rogue” is fightin’ words.  Yup…   I even looked it up in the dictionary when Governor Palin used that  word. Where’s that definition….ah!  Here it is:

  1. Vicious and solitary. Used of an animal, especially an elephant.
  2. Large, destructive, and anomalous or unpredictable: a rogue wave; a rogue tornado.
  3. Operating outside normal or desirable controls: “How could a single rogue trader bring down an otherwise profitable and well-regarded institution?” (Saul Hansell).

So who was this person who went “rogue” according to a McCain aide?  In a delicious twist of irony, it’s the Governor herself.  And while the wonderful poetic metaphor of the Republican VP nominee being compared to a vicious elephant is not lost on anyone, I think it’s definition #2 and #3 we’re looking at here.

With 10 days until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense, they are spilling out in public, sources say.

Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin “going rogue.” [insert crazy elephant noises here – AKM]

A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to “bust free” of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls — recorded messages often used to attack a candidate’s opponent — “irritating” even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign’s decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

“She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone,” said this McCain adviser. “She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

“Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom.”

A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is “not good at process questions” and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls were answers to process questions.

Process questions?  What are “process questions”?  Another quick Google search will answer that. [time passes]  Google doesn’t know what a ‘process question’ is either!  But apparently, whatever it is, it makes the rogue elephant go all crazy.

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26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I’m here – been watching for a new post!

26 10 2008
Mollys Mum

I can’t be first. It’s not possible.

??????

26 10 2008
Mollys Mum

Whew. Thank you Bec Hussein. My nerves are shot as it is lately.
😉

(That’s NOT a Palin wink. LOL)

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Yes AKM – great irony in Sarah now being called a “rogue”! Loving it.

26 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

Lookout John, SP’s goin’ out on her own…

26 10 2008
JBDC

three. maybe 4.
SP is a mess. did you hasselback introduce her in tampa. it was as if EH was IMITATING SP with the weird mouth expressions. i was waiting for a “you betcha” out of hasselback’s mouth. she was grotesque.

26 10 2008
JBDC

fine. 6.

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

Just checkin in! Hello to all …

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I had the very same question when I read that “process question” quote last night. I sure hope some Mudflatters out there can explain that one.

Doesn’t every question require the “process” of the brain to come up with an answer? Just askin’.

26 10 2008
Marilyn in Connecticut AKA Hose Hotrod Palin

top ten? yes!

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Mollys Mum – you first next time! I was lying in wait – need to go to the store but just had a feeling AKM was typing up something.

Thanks AKM.

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

Maybe process means ya hafta ‘think through’ to get to an answer, not just recite a memorized policy answer….it requires a higher level of thinking and articulating, not just ‘off the cuff’ or whatever comes to mind. Just guessin’.

26 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

The word rogue reminds me of Col Kurtz in, “Apocalypse Now.”

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Watching Elizabeth rerun — she says we are fixated on her wardrobe and it is sexist. Well – it isn’t the clothes – it is the amount spent on the clothes. Duh.

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

I think rogues are pretty mavericky.

26 10 2008
SanDiego Muslim Jew Christian Hindu Surfchick

uh. um. so they’re surprised? check out this definition. of maverick– ‘specially #’s 2 and 3:

1. Southwestern U.S. an unbranded calf, cow, or steer, esp. an unbranded calf that is separated from its mother.
2. a lone dissenter, as an intellectual, an artist, or a politician, who takes an independent stand apart from his or her associates.
3. (initial capital letter) an electro-optically guided U.S. air-to-ground tactical missile for destroying tanks and other hardened targets at ranges up to 15 mi. (24 km).

26 10 2008
kathy

Isn’t it delicious to see the team that has “executive experience” spilling their incompetence all over the place?

You know, I think “process” questions refers to the process of the campaign, instead of, you know, “facts.” Apparently Sarah thinks she’s good talking about facts, but not talking about the process of the campaign. Nobody told her not to criticize the boss. (When did Sarah last have a boss?)

26 10 2008
Lori W.

After Hasselback intoduced SP, Sarah introduced Piper and Trigg. BUT, NO TRIGG! AMBER ALERT FOR TRIGG! Sarah notices Trigg is gone and says “Where is Trigg? Somebody BETTER have Trigg!” Then she laughs and goes on with speech, aka hate attacks. I was appalled! Her child is not where he is supposed to be, she cannot see him and she does NOTHING?? God, the woman does not have a human/motherly bone in her body! How many points would she have scored if she had just paused a moment to verify where her baby was located?

26 10 2008
GrammaConcept

My latest favorite quote…’-(
upon being asked by Glenn Beck for her opinion on the idea of another possible new economic stimulous plan:

“I say, you know, when is enough enough of taxpayer dollars being thrown into this bill out there?” she asked. “This next one of the Democrats being proposed should be very, very concerning to all Americans because to me it sends a message that $700 billion bailout, maybe that was just the tip of the iceberg. No, you know, we were told when we’ve got to be believing if we have enough elected officials who are going to be standing strong on fiscal conservative principles and free enterprise and we have to believe that there are enough of those elected officials to say, ‘No, OK, that’s enough.'”
-Palin..10/08

YIKES!

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage – thanks – that is great. Then I guess Sarah’s “friend” isn’t doing her any favors to declare that she is unable to answer “those” kind of questions!

26 10 2008
rf11

AKM, if I remember correctly, being a rogue justifies being fired. Right?

26 10 2008
Lulu

Hooray on the Rogue Post, AKM. Let’s watch the Rogue try to stay in vogue.

Here’s my best guess on what a process question is: a question about how the campaign is run? The process of the campaign?

I think this 10 days will yield a lot of Palin activity in the “rogue” category, and I look forward to your insightful comments on it, just like this entry and all your other ones, AKM.

And the irony…the very term she “applied” to Trooper Wooten, and Mr. Monegan….Karma bites, eh, Governor?

26 10 2008
Proud Community OrganzierWA

Process question? Is that like processed cheese? Or is that the response to a question that needs answered and she can’t?

I choose #3.

26 10 2008
Lulu

Oh, I see Kathy already said what I think “process” means here.
@ Kathy.
What she said!

26 10 2008
Mother Who Thinks

Didn’t that woman (SP), not too long ago, say in reference to her characterization of Walt Monegan as “rogue,” that the word wasn’t a negative word? So I guess that a McCain campaign staffer’s use of it in reference to HER OWN BEHAVIOR is not a bad thing. Right?!?

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

My husband is a ‘process consultant’ and I will be checking to see if by osmosis I have gleaned a bit of what/how he does that, but I think I am correct. I am often just trying to catch up so don’t comment often….but this time, it is nice to make a connection in IL……sunny day here, MSNBC on, full of hope…

26 10 2008
Marilyn in Connecticut AKA Hose Hotrod Palin

Clearly SP is not towing the line. In her defense there doesn’t appear to be a clear line to tow. For all the “mavericky talk” in the GOP campaign they don’t appear to want anyone to speak what is on their mind and since SP has no idea of what is going on anyway she just says whatever pops into her head when she has the chance and undermines their constantly changing strategies. (Oh, do we really have to leave Michigan? Todd and I will go!). Since SP has proven that she has terrible boundaries (troopergate) this is to be expected. What a disastrous pick for VP.

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Re-reading it — did the “friend” mean process questions as in questions about Repug dirty tricks? It was in reference to the nasty robocalls, after all.

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Lori, That really happened? Wow! I hope they play that over and over and over and over and over…………………………………………………………

26 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

And the beat goes on.

26 10 2008
mk2000

What shall we call this one? Maybe Neimengate?

http://www.citizensforethics.org/files/FEC%20Complaint.pdf

26 10 2008
Lana, KY

“Apocalypse Now” seems to be the rogue candidate’s mantra. . .

Lord make a way . . . to send this horrible rogue creature back to whatever rock she crawled out from under.

She is a detriment to society.

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho

rf 11 Good point!

26 10 2008
Lulu

mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage (11:01:10) wrote:
“My husband is a ‘process consultant’ and I will be checking to see if by osmosis I have gleaned a bit of what/how he does that, but I think I am correct. I am often just trying to catch up so don’t comment often….but this time, it is nice to make a connection in IL……sunny day here, MSNBC on, full of hope…”

Thanks for the insight.🙂

26 10 2008
rf11

Bec Hussein in Illinois (10:54:58) :

Watching Elizabeth rerun — she says we are fixated on her wardrobe and it is sexist. Well – it isn’t the clothes – it is the amount spent on the clothes. Duh.

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I thought the same thing when I heard Hasselback’s intro. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist…

26 10 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

At no time in this country since 1928 (the year before the Great Depression) have we had such wide wealth disparity in this nation. So, then, why are the super wealthy and the super powerful such as Warren Buffet, Eric Schmidt and Steve Wynn backing Obama if in fact the rich got richer under Bush and now Obama wants to spread the wealth to ease the wealth disparity?

I honestly believe it is because of crime! The biggest concern of the super-rich is that America becomes like Mexico where the ultra-rich always has to be on alert of kidnappers that prey on the rich and their families for ransom money. You’ve seen the movie “Man on Fire” starring Denzel Washington, Marc Anthony, Dakota Fanning, Christopher Walken and Mickey Rourke. Men like Buffet, Schmidt, Wynn worry more about their children, wives, themselves being kidnapped for ransom than they do about a 3% tax increase for those making more than $250K (actually it is $264K because you can stick up to $14K in your 401K to bring down your taxable gross income).

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

Cannotprocessgate

26 10 2008
ira2

mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage (10:53:50) :

Maybe process means ya hafta ‘think through’ to get to an answer, not just recite a memorized policy answer….it requires a higher level of thinking and articulating, not just ‘off the cuff’ or whatever comes to mind. Just guessin’.

Ewwwwwww. “Think through”, that’s so – elitist! Higher level of thinking and articulating was NOT part of her job description when she signed up to take her pitbullying national.

I’d say her signer-uppers got pretty much exactly what they asked for :o)

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

re: process questions v. fact questions — I understand process questions to be those that require discussing or explaining the process of something in order to effectively answer them. In order to answer them you have to understand how things work in the real world. No surprise she is bad at them. But she’s not so shit-hot on the factual questions, either.

I think calling her a “diva” is also quite telling. There is definitely something of the spoiled brat about her.

26 10 2008
Big Al from Las Vegas

over 100,000 showed up for the Obama rally in Denver? Amazing!

My wife and I are Obama supporters and volunteers in the swing state of Nevada. We are doing our part to help our state swing Obama’s way including participating in Early Voting drives. But, I must say that the more accomplished economists and business man that I hear are on Obama’s side – Warren Buffett, Paul Volker, Lawrence Summers, Steve Wynn, the Maloofs, Eric Schmidt – I can’t help but think the fix is in. I understand that the Bush-Cheney administration is still to blame for the meldown in the economy. But, I also believe that the rich and powerful have allowed this meltdown to continue to ensure an Obama victory.

The good news is, if I am right the meltdown will continue to accelerate through Q4 but come January we will see a significant bounce-back in the economy. Bill Clinton has said that we need to give Obama 18-24 months to turn this economy around. I am not buying it. I believe Q4 willl be the business quarter from hell (i am living it now) but come January we will see inspiring signs of a turn-around in the economy.

On a personal note, my family got caught up in the Las Vegas housing bubble and are now facing foreclosure. I had A+ credit, a 20% down payment and 10 years in the same industry (I was not one of those sub-prime, dead-beat characters that the Republicans are blaming for the foreclosure crisis). It was my first home purchase and I had saved for 5 years to make the $50,000 dollar down payment. It just so happens that I bought my home at the top of the market and 4 years later my house is now worth only 50% of what I paid for it.

With my wife out-of-work and very few employers hiring in Nevada we can’t make the payments anymore. But, as I tell my wife, “if we have to lose our home and our savings for America to elect a black man (my wife is African-American, my mom Mexican-American, my father Caucasian and my son all of the above) President so-be-it. but, i will ask obama to clear my credit (because i believe i deserved that after being taken by the hucksters. i had great credit and cash before the hucsters sold me a bill of goods.) so that i can have another chance to buy a home, rebuild our retirement savings and send our son to college. if i can get my credit back i know i can make the money back. i just need that bit of help. oh, and the middle class tax cuts will help out, too!”

26 10 2008
Lulu

mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage (11:04:50) wrote :
“Cannotprocessgate”

LOL!🙂 PERFECT.

26 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@Goalie Sanka Palin in NM (10:02:12) :
FUN FACT!!

Yesterday’s rally for McCain in ABQ: Attendance 1,000 -1,500 people

Yesterday’s rally for Obama in ABQ: Attendance 45,000 – 50,000 people

WOWZER!

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I just came over from other thread and had to comment on this! Amazing!

And thanks for the returns comments re: healthcare in the states, federally-offered healthcare, etc. I do know that my dad, Naval Air Force in the Pacific during WWII, college with the GI Bill then his entire career as a federal/government employee at NASA (where he designed the life-support system that allowed astranauts to live in space (no measly job that), then about 2 years after he retired he showed signs of Alzheimer’s Disease. My mom checked out how to get his Medicare/Vet’s Benefits to kick in to cover costs in case he needed to be put in a home, and guess what? Reagan had removed Alzheimer’s Disease from the list of illnesses covered unless proof could be given that showed a direct link between his disease and his experience in WWII! Needless to say….

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

rf11 – LOL — Elizabeth’s claim to fame is being on Survivor. No rocket science there. Palin on again. Does she have EH with her?

26 10 2008
wearyvoter

Process question probably refers to the campaign aide thinking she shouldn’t be commenting on the campaign’s tactics. (Robocalls=part of the process; withdrawing the campaign from Michigan=part of the process.)

Methinks the McCain campaign is market-testing the narrative for explaining their possible defeat.

26 10 2008
Mother Who Thinks

In the “We Saw That Coming Department”…….

Sarah has a history of throwing people under the bus. First she insinuates herself into their organization (see Republican Party of Alaska, Oil and Gas Commission) and then she goes after their jobs (see Randy Ruedrich, Frank Murkowski.)

So now she’s doing that same “Wait a minute! These people are not doing their jobs! I WILL DO THEIR JOBS FOR THEM” on McCain.

So the Straight Talk Express becomes a death vehicle for McCain’s dreams and dignity. Don’t get me wrong: I never supported his candidacy, never would. But she’s turned Grampy M into a horror show. Can you imagine his life from this time forward?

She will have to be dealt with. It will hard to put thii “Genie” back into the bottle.

26 10 2008
SouthPaw

McCain’s Economic Plan: “Marry a Beer Heiress” / Newsweek

http://video.newsweek.com/#?t=1856933198&l=1859715187

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

At the rally yesterday (ANC) we were talking about ‘where we were when it was announced’ she was the VP pick…..I was at my longtime friend’s place when my husband’s call came in to tell me that morning; I fell back onto the bed (fainting couch-like) and started laughing, in shock, and couldn’t believe it!! Me, the non-dramatic one, flat on the fainting couch, OMG!

26 10 2008
rf11

mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage (10:53:50) :

Maybe process means ya hafta ‘think through’ to get to an answer, not just recite a memorized policy answer….it requires a higher level of thinking and articulating, not just ‘off the cuff’ or whatever comes to mind. Just guessin’.

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I have to agree. The only thing I would add is that a process question requires more than Palin’s opinion. Apparently, the question about “what does the Vice President do?” is a process question. She gave her uneducated opinion, and it didn’t work out very well.

26 10 2008
Lulu

In terms of “process,” I agree that it means something specific in terms of analytical thinking. I guess I read the Palin aide’s comment as synonymous with “procedural.”

@ Big Al. So sorry to hear of your situation. I am sure that President Obama will do something helpful to your situation. I really do think he will. Hang in there with your wonderful family and thanks for updating us on the rally in Denver.

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Proud – Palin is – like – Cheez Whiz?

26 10 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

@ Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child
your answer sounds good to me

26 10 2008
RouletteRog

I know that most of you here aren’t Republicans, nor would you consider yourself in any political sense conservative, but I see her rogueishness and more fomenting for the great schism which the GOP must undergo once this election is over should Obama actually pull it off. One one side you will see those of us who were smart enough not to drink the vile, toxic Palin Kool-Aid, and on the other you’ll see most of National Review, Michelle Malkin and every other dumbass who felt the “little starburts” as she stepped onto the national stage.

Rest assured, McCain/Palin’s defeat in a few weeks won’t simply remove your trophy governess from the national stage. Where you stood on Sarah Palin will be the catalyst for the bloodbath which will divide the Right and the Rot. Alas, I’m not optimistic about who will emerge with the reigns of “conservatism”.

I think I’ll quit before I begin rambling. Enjoy watching the wave that she’s made, because she’s nowhere near done making them…. I predict that she’ll lead the GOP further into the wilderness.

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

Bec: processed cheese?! That must be it…….and some of us are lactose-intolerant…

26 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

Regarding her clothes — before the shopping spree was made public, I read a few comments on her ill-fitting jackets. My daughter said they were snug on purpose. Must have been a motive, since she would of had a custom fit for the money they spent.

26 10 2008
rf11

Big Al, I’m so sorry to hear about your foreclosure. I’ll be hoping for the best for you and your family.

26 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@Big Al from Las Vegas (11:06:28) :

I am so sorry for your situation. I have read on this blog so any terrible stories coming from people with health problems or special need children who have no safety nets. These kinds of things should never ever happen in a country as big and powerful and rich as ours!

Your family sounds terrific and the kind of family that is the future of America. More power to you! And we need Obama in the White House!

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Big Al, I am so sorry. We did the same. Busted our butts to get 20% I think we owe more that our house is worth. We did buy under our means though. We can still pay our morgage.

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage (10:53:50) :
Apparently, the question about “what does the Vice President do?” is a process question.
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Whatever a process question may be, can we all agree that the answer to the above question should be a factual one, rather than her uneducated and completely repugnant opinion?

26 10 2008
Lana, KY

Estimates of 100,000 at Obama Rally in Denver.

Way to go Colorado.

26 10 2008
rf11

Jamie, did you see my earlier post that Barack and Bill Clinton are going to be in Orlando on Wednesday?

Also, Palin’s in Kissimmee right now. We missed our opportunity!

26 10 2008
Barb In Knoxville, TN

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/maverick-personality-disorder.html

and now we find out that “maverick ” is a personality disorder..hey, we knew that all along…yu betcha…

26 10 2008
prettybrowntee

GO Denver!!!!!!!!!!🙂

26 10 2008
Lulu

Roulette Rog wrote: “I think I’ll quit before I begin rambling. Enjoy watching the wave that she’s made, because she’s nowhere near done making them…. I predict that she’ll lead the GOP further into the wilderness.”

I hope the good people of Alaska will have something to say about Palin’s political future….I think her brand is now tainted in terms of a GOP future. If a
“low information voter” faction splits off from the GOP, maybe she would have a future with a third party.

26 10 2008
MinNJ Moose Roadster

@Lulu
The Rogue staying in vogue! *giggle, snort, cackle* Nice.

26 10 2008
Michele

antsy aka CommaLibertyP (11:12:27) :

According to the costumer on SNL, SP requested better, tighter fitting clothes for her appearance and she didn’t like the red jacket she was supposed to wear for the first skit because it wasn’t good enough quality (jeebus, these are costumes). They told her the skit depended on her wearing the same thing as Tina Fey, so she compromised by being able to wear her own “better” clothes in the final skit. She is a diva, for sure. I hope she wears out her welcome with the branch of the Repubs who see her as the future of the party toot sweet.

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Big Al – wardrobes and process questions/cheese aside, I too am really sorry about your situation. I admire your attitude. How many of us could remain that positive?

You could just as well have been a Republican in this situation – and yet they are behaving like this doesn’t happen to them. If you find yourself down and almost out, it would be nasty communism or socialism or some other evil stuff to help you out. No spreading the wealth to you.

Hang in there. It won’t happen immediately. But I know Obama-Biden feel your pain. Help is coming.

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

Shove Maggot TOHPC: re: Whatever a process question may be, can we all agree that the answer to the above question should be a factual one, rather than her uneducated and completely repugnant opinion?

Yes, I can agree….🙂

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

mhrt oregon”steve” (11:10:51) :

@ Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child
your answer sounds good to me
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I may or may not be right. My guess is drawn from teaching composition courses to first-year university students — one of the common basic essay types is the “process essay”, in which the writer tries to coherently explain how something works or is done (think changing a tire so that it won’t fall off when you drive away) — not from any political advisory expertise. I think in the McCain campaign “process question” may well be code for “questions she should stay the hell away from”, also.

26 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

Maybe, a process question requires more than a one-word answer. As in yes, no, maybe or duh.

26 10 2008
WV Democrat

@ Proud Community OrganzierWA (10:58:44) :

Process question? Is that like processed cheese?
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Oh, like Velveeta! I actually love Velveeta! Very good on cauliflower and broccoli.

26 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@rf11 (11:17:05) :
Jamie, did you see my earlier post that Barack and Bill Clinton are going to be in Orlando on Wednesday?

Also, Palin’s in Kissimmee right now. We missed our opportunity!

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Yes I saw your post – thanks cause I hadn’t heard. I really wish I could be there. My friend who lives in Cocoa Beach went to the Barack/Hillary event in Orlando and said it was amazing. She also saw Jill Biden in CB – 300 invitees (she went as guest of Rep Tony Spasso for whom she works). Must tell her to go to Orlando again. Or at least Wickham Park to see Joe. Lucky her!

Also – what’s it say to you that Barack/Bill are in Orlando and SP is stuck out in Kissimmee?! Hah!

26 10 2008
Michele

Being not good at process questions should scare the crapola out of all of us. If you can’t think logically enough to manage a process, you certainly have no business formulating policy. There is some sort of serious missing component in this woman’s cognitive functioning.

26 10 2008
megacephalus

Over the years ‘megacephalus’ [Anyone know the reference?] has deservedly also been known as ‘the curmudgeon’…

That handle in mind, I would venture to regret the degradation of what AKM started here as a good contrarian issues political blog, which AKM does her best to maintain.

Sadly it seems increasingly to be degenerating into a ‘chat room’ place for bored ‘housewives’ to be ‘cute’ in the rather mindless prattle and pointless posts before the wider public they may crave. Sad. Very sad!

Is it too much to ask to think before you post? And remind all that it’s better ‘if you don’t have anything to say to say nothing at all’. Otherwise it becomes hard to weed the 300+ chaff of many posters from the intellect of our favorite scapegoat, SP. Thank you. End of rant!

And a reminder as to the availablity of:

1.) ‘spellcheck’ or equal

2.) ‘Strunk and White’ or other standard texts on basic English grammar and style… assuming the subject is still taught in school!

e.g.: “not towing the line.” Perhaps you mean “toeing”? 🙂

QED

26 10 2008
dixie-chik

You, progressive Alaska and anyone with a thinking brain who could Google saw this play coming within the first four hours after Sarah Palin was announced.

Turning on her mentors is how she gained her political seats. Every single MAN who helped her eventually got knifed in the back. I just didn’t see it coming so quickly – before the election?!

bahahahahahahahaha

26 10 2008
rf11

Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child (11:15:34) :

Apparently, the question about “what does the Vice President do?” is a process question.
———
Whatever a process question may be, can we all agree that the answer to the above question should be a factual one, rather than her uneducated and completely repugnant opinion?

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I can agree that, in response to questions, Palin typically either lies or gives her uneducated, completely repugnant opinion.

26 10 2008
Michele

I read somewhere (probably here!) that the Alaska Personnel Board is meeting on Oct 27 and Nov 3 to go over the Palin report. Is this true? Hollis French stated his belief that the Personnel Board report would not be completed before the election to Rachel Maddow. Anyone have updated info?

26 10 2008
rf11

@Jamie:

Also – what’s it say to you that Barack/Bill are in Orlando and SP is stuck out in Kissimmee?! Hah!
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Ha is right! It speaks for itself!

26 10 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

OT: Who did the ADN endorse for Gov. in 2006? I’ve been reading a lot of the political blogs from the ADN during the 06 race and before just to get more insight into Palin (lot’s of interesting stuff out there); but I have been unable to find their endorsement. Somehow I don’t think they endorsed her as I have run across too many quotes from her calling it a yellow-paged liberal rag and also stating that she wished there was another paper in town to rival the News.

Who did they endorse in 2006 for Gov.??

26 10 2008
Mollys Mum

@Lori W. (10:55:55) :

I would LOVE to see that clip.
Poor little Trigg.😦 Wonder what will become of him, ultimately. He’s a cute little wee baby right now, but if Sarah is ignoring him now, how is she going to handle it when he’s full grown?

Re. the process questions–I think her response here should put to rest any fears anyone might have of her enjoying significant political power in the future.

She makes even W. look intelligent and halfway competent.

26 10 2008
WV Democrat

@ megacephalus

I imagine that when AKM comes out and says so, we will do so. It is her blog after all.

26 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

@rf11 (11:28:19) :
@Jamie:

Also – what’s it say to you that Barack/Bill are in Orlando and SP is stuck out in Kissimmee?! Hah!
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Ha is right! It speaks for itself!

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I knew you’d get it!

Sadly, gotta head off to bed…. See you all tomorrow

26 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

Wow I mention rogue as in Apocalypse Now and then this happens

http://wonkette.com/403823/your-guide-to-americas-new-war-in-syria#more-403823

Now the repubs are getting us into more war.

26 10 2008
prettybrowntee

RouletteRog (11:11:40) :

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I am a conservative Christian and even pal around with the likes of evangelicals yet I just don’t believe in pushing my beliefs on anyone else and I don’t believe that McCain/Palin will help this country. So Barack Obama gets my vote. He just has it together in many ways to me.

26 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Has this been up on any threads?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/26/palin-annoyed-with-cbs-interviewer/

This speech mentioned in the above article of Saracuda in Indiana is on C-SPAN right now. I am listening because strangely I can bear it now knowing she is toast. But I need to stidy this. She is not George Bush in a skirt. She is Adolf Hitler in a skirt and knee leghth boots. She just had all the veterans stand. The “True Patriots”. Now the mindless beer swilling “USA USA USA Chant”. Play the service and sacrifice meme. Yay Vets. (I’m a vet but I would never vote for her. Never. Would I be sent to a firing squad? On the other hand does she know that all veterans of all political views are trained in the use of lethal weapons. Does she understand that simple fact? Just say’in.)

She just said of Obama that now is not the time to “experiment with socialism” as she elevates “Joe the Plumber” and “Joe the Barber” and “Chris the Electrician.” Yay! Yay! Avoid the liberal media when you get home! She now has a whole riff on the liberal “media”.

Her whole riff for 30 minutes so far is basically a kind of Republican “Anti-Tax and Spend Democrats” Horst Wessel Song.

(Yawn – all this while Republicans Nationalize Banks!

Now mindless chants of “Drill Baby Drill!”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel_Lied

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
S. A. marschiert mit mutig-festem Schritt.
Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschieren im Geist in unseren Reihen mit.

Die Straße frei den braunen Batallionen.
Die Straße frei dem Sturmabteilungsmann!
Es schaun aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.
Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an!

Zum letzten Mal wird nun Appell geblasen!
Zum Kampfe steh’n wir alle schon bereit!
Bald flattern Hitlerfahnen über Barrikaden.
Die Knechtschaft dauert nur noch kurze Zeit!

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
SA marschiert mit ruhig-festem Schritt.
Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschieren im Geist in unseren Reihen mit.

The flag high! The ranks tightly closed!
SA marches with a brave, firm pace.
Comrades whom Red Front and Reaction shot dead
March in spirit within our ranks.

[Make] The street free for the brown battalions;
[Make] The street free for the SA man!
Already millions are looking to the swastika, full of hope;
The day of freedom and bread is dawning.

Chargealert has sounded for the last time!
We are all prepared for the fight/We are all willing to fight!
Soon Hitler-flags will flutter over all barricades.
Our servitude will not last much longer now!

The flag high! The ranks tightly closed!
SA marches with a calm, firm pace.
Comrades whom Red Front and Reaction shot dead
March in spirit within our ranks.

SARAH PALIN VERSION OF THE HORST WESSEL SONG

The flag high! The ranks tightly closed!
Joe the Plumber marches with a brave, firm pace.
Party Members having reverse “B”‘s carved on their face.
March in spirit within our ranks.

[Make] The street free for the Republican Investment Bankers;
[Make] The street free for the Republican Wall Street geniuses!
Already millions are looking to the Bank Bailout of the Nine Core
banks, full of hope;
The day of more bonuses and more trophy wives is dawning.

Chargealert has sounded for the last time!
We are all prepared for the fight/We are all willing to fight!
John McPOW – flags will flutter over all soup lines.
Our servitude to , uh, well, no one will not last much longer now!

The flag high! The ranks tightly closed!
Republican Walmart Moms march with a calm, firm pace.
Party Members having reverse “B”‘s carved on their face.
March in spirit within our ranks.

Here is footage I found of the Indiana Rally:

This woman has improved greatly. She has the rapid superficial learning of a sociopath as I predicted.

This speech is her “Treaty of Versailles” Fuheress-One-Note speech. She must be stopped at all costs. Ten days from now. In 2012. Forever. She is one of the most deluded liars I have every seen. She is a very very dangerous person. We must do whatever it takes to end her as a politician. She must absolutely NEVER be given any power in our nation. NEVER.

END IT NOW!

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho

megacephalus Wow! your pretty rude. Sorry if we are not up to your standards.

26 10 2008
Michele

A bit mind-boggling that an associate of Palin’s would actually state that Palin believes the campaign “doesn’t have her best interests at heart.” Does she seriously not understand that she is not the candidate? McCain’s campaign staff is obligated to put HIS best interests first, not hers. Good God, does this woman’s narcissism know no bounds?

It’s pure schadenfreude on my part, but I would love to see her go down hard. I am no fan of McCain, but he does not deserve to stabbed in the back by an unknown political hack that he brought to national prominence. I think, though, the die is cast and she will be a ‘star’ in some manner from now on. On second thought, McCain deserves whatever he gets for foisting this malignant personality on us.

26 10 2008
C.Rock

This thread is perfect for the Obama saying YOU JUST CANT MAKE THESE THINGS UP ! !

26 10 2008
prettybrowntee

megacephalus (11:23:39) :
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wow lol. Are you serious? Then just leave. No need to be rude about it. I happen to like this Blog. I would love to have AKM address this.

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

mk2000 (11:03:09) :

What shall we call this one? Maybe Neimengate?

http://www.citizensforethics.org/files/FEC%20Complaint.pdf
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This is definitely worth a look. It’s the actual text of the complaint by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, tying in the legislation that I had been too lazy to look up for myself re: campaign funds usage.

26 10 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

@megacephalus,

Are you having a bad day? Come on, play nice. That’s what we do here!

I’m just going to think that you are having a rough one. Now, go get a cold one and chill, “my friend”. (I mean that in a good way….really!)

Peace out…

26 10 2008
MissSue MI

@ megacephalus (11:23:39) : –Over the years ‘megacephalus’ [Anyone know the reference?] has deservedly also been known as ‘the curmudgeon’…

That handle in mind, I would venture to regret the degradation of what AKM started here as a good contrarian issues political blog, which AKM does her best to maintain.

Sadly it seems increasingly to be degenerating into a ‘chat room’ place for bored ‘housewives’ to be ‘cute’ in the rather mindless prattle and pointless posts before the wider public they may crave. Sad. Very sad!

Is it too much to ask to think before you post? And remind all that it’s better ‘if you don’t have anything to say to say nothing at all’. Otherwise it becomes hard to weed the 300+ chaff of many posters from the intellect of our favorite scapegoat, SP. Thank you. End of rant!

And a reminder as to the availablity of:

1.) ’spellcheck’ or equal

2.) ‘Strunk and White’ or other standard texts on basic English grammar and style… assuming the subject is still taught in school!

e.g.: “not towing the line.” Perhaps you mean “toeing”?

QED

Wow, talk about “if you don’t have anything to say, say nothing at all”
Seems to me you don’t feel your advice applies to you. Or is only what you have to say important?

26 10 2008
Lara

@AKM: A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is [not a rogue, but] simply trying to “bust free” of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

Isn’t that sort of like being a rogue? (depending on how violent/agressive/off the script the “bust free” part is.)

26 10 2008
grumpy in Illinois

Process Questions, intersting website that has a grid defining the different areas of Process Questions….interstingly regarding family relationships.

Though these subjects could probably be overlaid to any Process situation.

http://www.doe.state.in.us/octe/facs/ProcessQuestions.html

26 10 2008
Bobg

Since I have worked in many campaigns I’ll answer that question about “process questions.” A process question is where…actually it boils down to…if the campaign is…when the candidate is…if someone asks the candidate… Wait, the phone is ringing. I’ll have to get back to you on that.

26 10 2008
SoCal Gal

@ megacephalus (11:23:39) :

Bored Housewives who Like Chat Rooms for OBAMA / BIDEN 2008!

You go girls!

26 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

bust-free, rogue — neither term sounds like a good running mate.

26 10 2008
Lulu

@megacephalus: While I share your love of the English language and of thoughtful political discourse, studies show that a blog’s success–on any topic–is driven by a diversified platform with multivalence at its core. In other words, the plurality of voices in the commentary–including those unfamiliar with Strunk & White or even the OED–MAKE it a success. I noticed you assigned a gender to AKM, which I refuse to do, per AKM’s wish to remain anonymous. So perhaps we can all try to assure AKM’s blog is a success, including refraining from commenting on AKM’s gender. I, for one, would like to once again register my appreciation for this blogger’s ability to entertain and nurture a blog which functions at a multivalent level, in terms of both the blogger’s entries and the myriad comments.

26 10 2008
Sheesh aka Puck Mule Palin

Rouletterog says:

“I know that most of you here aren’t Republicans, nor would you consider yourself in any political sense conservative, but I see her rogueishness and more fomenting for the great schism which the GOP must undergo once this election is over should Obama actually pull it off. One one side you will see those of us who were smart enough not to drink the vile, toxic Palin Kool-Aid, and on the other you’ll see most of National Review, Michelle Malkin and every other dumbass who felt the “little starburts” as she stepped onto the national stage.

Rest assured, McCain/Palin’s defeat in a few weeks won’t simply remove your trophy governess from the national stage. Where you stood on Sarah Palin will be the catalyst for the bloodbath which will divide the Right and the Rot. Alas, I’m not optimistic about who will emerge with the reigns of “conservatism”. ”

I’ve got to agree with you on this take. I foresee a huge schism in the GOP with the far right becoming more assertive and the rest of the party (the larger half) drifting closer to the middle. The issues of national security and the economy will continue to dominate and the larger half of the GOP will start to look more moderate and thus become somewhat of a conundrum for the dems to address as both parties start to resemble each other more!

26 10 2008
Sue

A “process question” involves “thinking skills.” There isn’t an automatic answer as in, “What color is the sky? Blue.” One must take facts and information from various sources, process them, and then use “higher level thinking skills” to create an answer. I taught in public schools in California and teachers there had to know all this kind of bs…er, stuff. ; )

26 10 2008
megacephalus

@ Blue Idaho (11:38:37) :

“megacephalus Wow! your pretty rude.”

English grammar lesson: please try: ‘you’re’. It is short for ‘you are’. I believe that’s what you are grappling after. ‘Your’ is a possessive pronoun.

Thank you. QED

26 10 2008
grumpy in Illinois

Process Questions are those that require a specific piece of information relevant to the subject like political questions, intellectual questions, scientific questions. In other words answering with facts that are relevant and true regarding the question……now what was the question again???

26 10 2008
braveny

@megacephalus (11:23:39)
I am sorry I don’t agree with you whatsoever. We are fighting for the truth here in this blog as a decision is happening all over the US that will determine what is in store for the next 4 years. I am not as eloquent a writer as many, but this is where we find the answers we need, and share with others what we find. Your comments are out of line. We are all friends here. We laugh and cry together which is what friends do. And ALSO, it seems that this happens to be the #1 top political blog. Guess our misspelling hasn’t detered that award.

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho
26 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

I think there is a troll amongst us…

26 10 2008
megacephalus

@ Lulu (11:51:21) : bien dit, merci!

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Look! we have an intellectual troll. Lets not feed it.

26 10 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

OT:

This is the way we look at the “tax hysteria” about paying higher taxes.

We own a small business (30 employees). And I make this very simple argument. If we got a McCain tax “cut” for the “rich”; ya know what? We’d keep it! YA…we would – we wouldn’t “grow our business”! No sir…

BUT, if we had to pay MORE taxes, we would HIRE more people to cover what we lost due to the tax increase so that we would be back to the level of what we earned before.

Simple – but guess what? TRUE

I BELIEVE that’s what other business would do if McCain got elected. Thank goodness the rich aren’t going to get to keep MORE!

Yup, that’s what I think.

What do you think?

26 10 2008
Lulu

@megacephalus

De rien.

26 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palins MooseCandy

Proud Community OrganzierWA (10:58:44) :

Process question? Is that like processed cheese?
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No. Processed as in what she says is the equivalent of what comes out the other end once the body is done processing the input. …

26 10 2008
Bobg

Uh Oh-Caribou Barbi just said in Kisseemee, Fl. that McCain will bring tax cuts to every American. That’s not what the Republican platform says. I’ll bet she’s called out on that one.

26 10 2008
Laurie

megacephalus…wow…whats up? I dont comment often, but I would like to think that if and when I do its not being judged by someone who feels they know what I should or should not be talking about. Most of us have been a part of this blog since late August….we are all pals.

AKM has a great blog…and she has great people who visit her here.

I hope the rest of your day gets better

26 10 2008
prettybrowntee

lock Pepper in Honolulu (11:54:59) :

I think there is a troll amongst us…

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I agree I hope everyone just ignores megacephalus and lets keep talking about the issues.

26 10 2008
Lock Pepper in Honolulu

e.g.: “not towing the line.” Perhaps you mean “toeing”?

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Noun 1. towing line – (nautical) a rope used in towing

I know I’m not supposed to feed but I can’t help it!

That’s it–I’m going to kos for a little while!

26 10 2008
megacephalus

@ Lulu (11:58:16) : 🙂

Glad someone got the intended spirit of the comment!

Sempra ad Astra!

26 10 2008
Rope Hoover Recoil Zoo Pailn aka Misfit

Seems to me, if he hasn’t done so already, maybe John should consider a personal “taster’. Instead of asking ‘Where’s the Love?’ the RNC’s should be asking “Where’s the Trust?”

26 10 2008
Laurie

@lock pepper…lol..good catch. It is towing the line…not toeing.

Mega should be careful when reprimanding people.

26 10 2008
Ennealogic aka PumpBustHussein

@Megacephalus (11:23:39) – you said:

Sadly it seems increasingly to be degenerating into a ‘chat room’ place for bored ‘housewives’ to be ‘cute’ in the rather mindless prattle and pointless posts before the wider public they may crave. Sad. Very sad!

Dear sir, or madam,

I enjoy the chat. Folks contribute great joke lines, links to places I would likely not have found myself, and create a warm, welcoming community in addition to adding incisive commentary.

Wouldn’t it be better if YOU added something to the conversation that’s hopeful, or fun, or positive, intelligent and non-chaff-like? (That’s code for “if you can’t say something nice, please don’t say anything.”)

Just sayin… also. Thanks!

26 10 2008
SMR

@Ennealogic — you rock!

26 10 2008
rf11

@megacephalus

Aww, come on! There’s nothing wrong with having a little fun while we discuss serious political issues. Laughing is good for your health and your soul!

If you don’t like funny, short posts, you may want to stay away on the night of November 4th. I have a feeling that there will be a lot of short, clever celebratory posts that night!

p.s. I am not a housewife. Not that there’s anything wrong with it.

26 10 2008
whichferret

My brother called while walking home from the Denver rally. He said he could hear Obama, but not see him. Brother said that one of his favorite lines was when Obama asked how many people there made over $4,000,000.00 and then went on to say “I doubt many plumbers make $4 million.” My brother went even though he has not been feeling well all weekend. We talked for his walk home and hung up when he got home so he could go lie down and get rest…..probably has a fever and has to be at work at 5:30 tomorrow morning. How is that for devotion to the cause? Just hope he did not get too many people sick:-/

26 10 2008
Ben in SF

About the only adjective you could append that would be uplifting to SP’s image is “loveable rogue,” but luckily you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

26 10 2008
ira2

Poor Palin… she has a knack for picking up unfortunate descriptions. Pitbull, as in vicious baby-killing dog with lots of bad press and causing breed bans. Maverick, as in range cow up for grabs by the first one who catches her and puts his brand on her. Now rogue, as in “he’s a rogue trooper” or “the villagers shot the rogue elephant who had destroyed their fields and killed five of their people”?

Sounds like she should perform tricks in a circus, not in politics. Doesn’t it?

26 10 2008
rf11

Bobg (11:59:43) :

Uh Oh-Caribou Barbi just said in Kisseemee, Fl. that McCain will bring tax cuts to every American. That’s not what the Republican platform says. I’ll bet she’s called out on that one.

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Bob, Bob, Bob…we should all know by now that there’s no substance or meaning to anything Palin says. She just repeats the tried and true GOP sound bites…reign in spending, tax cuts, etc.

26 10 2008
SMR

Thanks for jumping in & setting mega-ego-intellectual-dude/dudette straight!

Thanks also to all of you other bored housewives/househusbands/other who contributed great rebuttals, saving me the time, since I obvs have housework/cooking/cleaning/nappy-changing that I should be doing!

Mudfriends ROCK!

26 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palins MooseCandy

Mega – what’s up, dude? You normally contribute in the same fashion as everyone else. I do not consider you a troll but you need to lay off the negativity on the chitter-chatter. If mudflats does not like the chit-chat, then I am sure it would be dumped into the spam box.

It’s bad enough that the Hillary-ites are dumping on Obama but let’s not get the regular crew in here dumping on each other. Peace, chill and apple pie !

26 10 2008
SoCal Gal

@ megacephalus (11:23:39) : -Over the years ‘megacephalus’ [Anyone know the reference?] has deservedly also been known as…

Gee and I thought the term ‘megacephalus’ was a giant dose of something you took to clean out your large intestine for being full of….

Now be nice…

Love & peace to all…A Wannabe Beer Heiress xoxoxoxoxoxox

26 10 2008
Tess In TX

Don’t feed the trolls. It only encourages them to hang around.

26 10 2008
SanDiego Muslim Jew Christian Hindu Surfchick

Megacephalus,

English grammar lesson: please try not to end a sentence with a preposition [” I believe that’s what you are grappling after.”]

Lulu’s response is beautiful and far better written than I could have done. You’re welcome here. I’m welcome here. Conservative Christians, Republicans, High School Dropouts, Phd’s, Australians, Texans, even Sarah Palin herself is welcome here. We’re all in this together. This blog is a microcosm of the United States of America. Or as they say in AA, take what you need and leave the rest!

26 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palins MooseCandy

LOL ira2 on the intended/unintended comparison of Palin to a range cow !!!

btw, anyone else think that they are mistaking “rogue” with that lipstick color?

Not that I wear lipstick or anything like that. …

26 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Lulu (11:51:21),

Very, very useful post. It has been my observation in life that the “multivalent level” component of any human endeavor is the absolute critical element in the kind of cosmic fractal expansion that leads to success. This is the factor that seems to induce cosmic synchronicity. It is a very well known esoteric aspect of human consciousness. Study the Hermetic philosophies and mystical secret teachings that have been handed down through the Ages. The Egyptians were fascinated by the multivalent nature of the Cosmos.

Multivalent currents can determine who you marry, who you divorce, what your profession is, how you found AKM’s Blog just to name a few aspects in life.

Actually, finding AKM’s amazing blog and this wonderful community is one of the most multivalent phenomenons I have experienced in quite a long time. It has been a very profound experience for me and has given me hope for both my nation and the human race. There are people out there that are not sound asleep! There are people out there who have gone through life thinking! Wow! What a feeling!

I appreciate your thoughtful posts, Lulu, very much. thank you for bringing this point up.

26 10 2008
RLS

I think we are mistaken in saying that a “process question” is a question involving “thinking”.

If you look at the original quote:

A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is “not good at process questions” and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls were answers to process questions.

I think the associate meant by the “process” the inner workings and decisions of the McCain campaign. He meant, perhaps, that Palin was not involved in the deep, dark inner planning and decisions of the campaign process.

26 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

megacephalus (11:23:39) :
Blog Police or just Troll?
**maybe just rude**

26 10 2008
Augie

HamletsMill (12:14:23),
Yeah…what you said!

26 10 2008
reveur1147 aka Hussein aka NOpalin Scorpio for Obama

@mega–wow, there is a known cure for encephalitis; perhaps you should check it out.

26 10 2008
PDX Hussein That One MB

Augie (12:17:43) :

HamletsMill (12:14:23),
Yeah…what you said!

Everyone else:

Yeah, yeah, Mega’s having a bad day. Let it go and let’s have us a hugfest!

26 10 2008
Scotsgirl

Megacephalus = Funsucker
Sorry you don’t enjoy our company, most of us have been here since SP’s announcement and like it and it’s tone/content just fine.
If you are not interested in the ‘pettier’ comments you can scroll quickly through them. You sound kind of condescending and I don’t care for that, I think I’ll just fast forward through any future comments you make. Sorry.

26 10 2008
Bobg

Jonathon Alter-analyst-just said on MSNBC that a lot of the “under educated voter” that don’t read newspapers, don’t have allegiance to any one candidate, don’t vote early and don’t follow the issues could swing the election to McCain. He said that there are 75 million of these people. Say it isn’t so!

26 10 2008
megacephalus
26 10 2008
rf11

Jonathon Alter-analyst-just said on MSNBC that a lot of the “under educated voter” that don’t read newspapers, don’t have allegiance to any one candidate, don’t vote early and don’t follow the issues could swing the election to McCain. He said that there are 75 million of these people.

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I might add one critical detail – many of them don’t vote at all.

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

There are some comments that people think Grifter Barbie will somehow escape after 11/4 and be a star. One need only look at Al Gore and John Kerry and how fast they disappeared.

Barbie has cast her die as an insolent, bratty, uneducated troll, a grifter who has used Alaskan cash for personal projects, and perhaps has a few potential felony counts on her horizon.

She’s nothing more than a hack, and the scrutiny she’s gotten will only get more intense if she stays active on the political scene. The stuff she’s faced so far is nothing compared to what will happen if she thinks she’ll be the star of 2012 for the GOP. The AIP, Troopergate 1 and 2, Housegate, kiddiegate, pipelinegate, wolfgate, and many others will NOT be tolerated on the big stage. She snuck in under the radar as an unknown VP candidate, but she won’t be given the slack as a potential front-runner for President.

Nothing will be off-limits and she has just too many potential and real skeletons in her closet and the patience of the press won’t ever tolerate anyone who refuses to talk to the press.

And speaking of the press, her talking style of using words incorrectly, grammatically incorrect, and just plain wrong will get her on a par with Bushisms and we know how that went for the past 8 years. Does she want Palinisms to be mocked?

Does she want her children to be ridiculed? Well, that may not matter since she doesn’t seem to care in the least about her kids, so maybe that’s a non-issue.

My take on it, will be Alaska will bury her so deep, she’ll never climb out and she can make a living as a castor oil Saleswoman.

26 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

There is a long established distinction in group dynamics and organizational behavior research between process and task interactions. Process activities are opened ended, unstructured and often involve an emotional or intuitive aspect. Task activities are structured, usually with the aim of reaching a measurable end. Both process and task can vary tremendously in complexity.

In general terms the interactions on this blog are process oriented, while the ideas expressed by the “megacephalus” troll are task oriented. Trolls, of course have a particular task, often one they are paid to do. The best response is to ignore them and continue the process of communication as if they dot exist.

On another note, it’s interesting to see that the New York post has picked up on Sarah’s roguishness

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10262008/news/politics/pit_bull_turns_on_mcmaverick_135366.htm

26 10 2008
MinNJ Moose Roadster

I am not bored, but I do take care of a house by myself. I have a chronic illness that affects my cognitive functioning sometimes, but not always. I love the good writing and the free expression and support of others here. Any commenter on any good blog is not always pitch-perfect, but the ideas are always appreciated. Creativity doesn’t always play by the rules, and freedom of expression is SO IMPORTANT…having a ‘bad brain day’ here, but I had to speak up.

26 10 2008
tspey

What’s next America? Hasselhoff is bad enough to have to live with… at least Celine D. is in Vegas but Palin as the next GOP star?

Of course SP has been workin’ at this for some time. She is standing atop an outhouse so shoddily built. Like the ‘Sidler’ from Seinfield she takes all the credit when the opportunity rises and avoids taking responsibilty by dissapating blame to her minions.

Abuse of power…check, ethics violations…check, conflict of interest in the mining lobby…check, COI in the gas pipeline…ditto. What’s next?

She is so beyond embarassing as a leader of our state let alone a sad, pitiful example of what a truly selfish human being looks like.

26 10 2008
Aurora

megacephalus (11:23:39) :

I find your comments troubling, as you appear to assume that one form of discourse should be heard, while less formal forms should be silenced. One of the many beauties of AKM’s blog is the inclusiveness of the conversation. All voices will be heard–a few typos or grammatical errors don’t seem to obscure the author’s message. There are shared expectations:
*sources are used to support claims,
*ideas, rather than those who post, are critiqued
It’s also important to pause at times, take a deep breath, and enjoy life by sharing recipes and links to joyous videos.

It’s been helpful to think through why I seek out Mudflats each day–thanks!
Aurora Blowengine Hussein

26 10 2008
whichferret

@megacephalus

What is the reference because Wikipedia is showing part of species name and hubby says “large head”

26 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palins MooseCandy

Bobg? 75 million? Who the heck is he kidding? He must not be good at math.

The country has 305 million people in it. How many voted in 2006? How many are under age 18? To get those 75 million to vote, every single possible voter would need to get involved. But only a few over 50% ever bother.

Ain’t gonna happen. The non-voters are just too stupid to vote.

26 10 2008
A Fan From Chicago

Megacephalus-

Britannica.com says “megacephalus is a classification of rice rats…found in the mountains of Southern Mexico, Central Africa and the Andes.” Wow, it must be hard to get an internet connection.

Haven’t taken Latin since high school but for me it translates as “big head.”

Nuff said.

26 10 2008
Who's On First

“A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to “bust free” of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.” …… So, if I’m understanding Palin’s response, her associate is saying that Palin is trying to break away from a mismanaged McCain campaign. In other words, she is (1) calling the McCain campaign “mismanaged” and (2) she is going rogue.

26 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish in CT

Diva is a sexist comment. And they have the gall to say that the Dems are sexist.

26 10 2008
ira2

Laurie (12:03:06) :

@lock pepper…lol..good catch. It is towing the line…not toeing.

Mega should be careful when reprimanding people.

*Cringes*. Not to put a dent in the reprimands (I was taken back by Mega’s post myself), but for the sake of correctness, it’s indeed “toeing the line”. First you toe the line, then you step over or cross the line. See?

‘Course, you could just tow the line out of the way of your foot, which is sort of what Palin has been trying to do, but as she’s shown us, that approach doesn’t work in reality any better than it does verbally.

26 10 2008
rf11

I saw an interview today on MSNBC with a mother in PA. The gist of the story was that MSNBC has a reporter travelling around the country to talk to voters. In this particular piece, the reporter was interviewing a mother of six on her front porch. This was, apparently, an area with a heavy population of Catholics.

The woman said that she had initially “been on board” with McCain/Palin, and that the abortion issue is important to her (as the camera panned her 6 children). She had decided, however, that she had to think about her children’s futures, and she was leaning Obama.

She glossed over that she “had been on board,” and I had to wonder if Palin being shown to be a fraud to this seemingly sincere soul, had not been a part of her getting off the McCain/Palin train.

Good for her!!

26 10 2008
Susie in Jersey

““She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone,” said this McCain adviser. “She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

“Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom.””

Can you spell N-A-R-C-I-S-S-I-S-T?

26 10 2008
Aeroentropy aka Bash Budweiser Palin

Slightly off recent threads –

I just noticed that all of the Obama signs in my neighborhood disappeared last night, here in rural, but not all that far from Portland, Maine. What an unbelievably petty, cowardly act! Rat B*stards!

I’d just driven 20 miles on friday to pick up some for myself and my neighbor … and poof! All the unfortunate neglected McCain/Palin signs remain in place (and believe me, they are way the majority around here as far as signage goes).

I’ve already visited and rejected the idea of doing a late-night cleanup myself — alas, what would I do with them all😦 . I wish I were clever enough (or had the time) to rig a sign cam, or even just a flash or noisemaker to the next set. Instead, I think double the number, and some of them will be as high up in the towering oaks that my 25-ft extension ladder can put them. That at least might slow them down a little!

Or maybe, some roofing tar along the edges? Grape jelly (no, that’ll bring the raccoons). Something unpleasant….

Any other thoughts?

26 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Bobg (12:22:36) :

Jonathon Alter-analyst-just said on MSNBC that a lot of the “under educated voter” that don’t read newspapers, don’t have allegiance to any one candidate, don’t vote early and don’t follow the issues could swing the election to McCain. He said that there are 75 million of these people. Say it isn’t so!
————————————

Well, I’m in W.PA. and they ripped us to shreds last night on SNL in good fun. It is actually nice to get the attention! John Murtha did not help Obama with his big mouth, but what he said is true and everyone here knows it. We really are Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in between. All we can do is hope that these two areas can overcome everyone else. I keep talking to as many people as I can. I am in one of the few counties out in the Alabama area that went blue for Kerry but only by a few hundred votes. It will be very interesting to see how it goes. If the rural areas actually mellow for Barack Obama and come through, the Republican Party is going to be broken here regarding a change back of the working “Reagan Democrats”. This happened when Rick Santorum finally got his head handed to him. Enough was enough for these folks. The potential is out there. Obama’s ground game is here as good as Chuck Knoll’s Steeler inside trapping game of the 1970’s. It is very impressive. We shall see in nine days. I’m ready.

26 10 2008
Rope Hoover Recoil Zoo Palin aka Misfit

Megacephalus is NOT a word as defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

However (once broken down) you can determine the equivelant or true definition of the ‘word’ could easily be BIGHEAD.

Which appears to be a good ‘fit’ for a Troll.

Main Entry: mega
Pronunciation: \ˈme-gə\
Function: adjective
Etymology: mega-
Date: 1968
1 : vast
2 : of the highest level of rank, excellence, or importance

(cephalus finds NO definition in and of itself, following is the closest definition)
Main Entry: ce·phal·ic
Pronunciation: \sə-ˈfa-lik\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French céphalique, from Latin cephalicus, from Greek kephalikos, from kephalē head; akin to Old High German gebal skull, Old Norse gafl gable, Tocharian A śpāl head
Date: 1599
1 : of or relating to the head
2 : directed toward or situated on or in or near the head

26 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

@ SoCal Gal (12:11:35) :

“Gee and I thought the term ‘megacephalus’ was a giant dose of something you took to clean out your large intestine for being full of….”

So what you’re telling me SoCal is that there really isn’t an inverse relationship between a megacephalus and a microphallus?

26 10 2008
whichferret

Oh btw, I am not a bored housewife even if I did ask my husband about the translation on mega’s name…..thought he might know since I did not. And you will notice that I also did my own research too😛

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Laurie (12:03:06) : re: “towing” v. “toeing”
Actually, it IS toeing a line. As in lining up carefully so that everyone’s toes are on the same line. Lockstep. Conformity. I know this because: a) my Canadian Oxford dictionary tells me so b) it’s one of the mis-usages that drives me crazy, too.

But that said, I’d rather be here with the mudpups and be occasionally annoyed than be technically correct and be banished for being a troll. So if people want to tow lines (as in trolling off the back of a boat), that’s okay with me.

BTW, megaceph is not and never has been a troll. Just a bit curmudgeonly, as he/ she warned us from the beginning. Just sayin’. Also.

26 10 2008
Susie in Jersey

Realizing that it is unethical for an professional to comment, I still wish someone would come right out with a comment on her psychological condition.

26 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Megacephalus – big head – swelled head

26 10 2008
prettybrowntee

Who’s On First (12:29:39) :
she is (1) calling the McCain campaign “mismanaged” and (2) she is going rogue.
_______________________________

LOL now if they are saying that what makes them think he will run the country any better. What makes them think Palin will submit to his ideas. It will be ciaos stacked on the ciaos we are already going through. It is so funny because Obama does not have to do much of anything. McCain/Palin are help to sit Obama in the white house. LOL 😉

26 10 2008
Mayflower

Awww, you guys, play nice. I get posting-intimidation due to my own inarticulateness. It’s obvious mega is having a really bad day, so let’s just let it go… I could care less what ‘mega’ may think of me but I so enjoy the rest of you! So walk the talk…

26 10 2008
Trini

@Forty Watt Hussein: LOL! That made my day.

Here’s a little levity. I gotta give it to the folks at the Onion. I didn’t think that they could top the McCain being left on the bus and the pitbull collar, but here is the Cindy “pod-person”.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/cindy_mccain_claims_she_s_just

26 10 2008
Rope Hoover Recoil Zoo Palin aka Misfit

Aeroentropy aka Bash Budweiser Palin (12:33:29) :

Slightly off recent threads –

I just noticed that all of the Obama signs in my neighborhood disappeared last night, here in rural, but not all that far from Portland, Maine. What an unbelievably petty, cowardly act! Rat B*stards!

I’d just driven 20 miles on friday to pick up some for myself and my neighbor … and poof! …………………………………………………………………………

Or maybe, some roofing tar along the edges? Grape jelly (no, that’ll bring the raccoons). Something unpleasant….

Any other thoughts?
=================================================

I ,personally, like your idea of the roofing tar

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Oops, that wasn’t Laurie, but LockPepper. I just made my own point about not always being right!

26 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palins MooseCandy

Molten Contra – interesting commentary in the NY Post article from your link. There was an additional link within that article to an op-ed piece about what Palin can/should do once McCain loses. Here’s an interesting tidbit:

So what does Governor Palin do as a new politically dynamic force after a potentially bad election outcome?

Do exactly what Senator Hillary Clinton did after her failed effort to gain the Democratic presidential nomination: Get ready for another run.

Create the Sarah Palin movement. She and her family should go back to Alaska, where she can remain a politically popular governor and build on her newfound fame. ”

Guess the opinion writer hasn’t been paying attention to what’s going on in Alaska. Can Palin even get re-elected in 2 years?

26 10 2008
whichferret

@Aeroentropy

That really sucks that you have to drive back for more signs. I vote for roofing tar. Besides being truly annoying to the person at the time, you might even be able to ID the person the next day….tar is pretty annoying stuff. And at night you might not notice where all you got it stuck🙂

26 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish in CT

did anyone notice how Elisabeth Hasselbeck’s voice is virtually the same as SWWNBN? How perfect.

As a self-respecting, non-housewife woman, I can say unequivocally that she does NOT represent me in any way. She can have Hasselbeck.

And I am extremely tired of people telling me that SWWNBN is a breath of fresh air, a role model, or anything else positive. She’s the devil incarnate.

26 10 2008
g

Isn’t “rogue” kinda like “maverick”?

26 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish in CT

and btw, did you all see the pictures of our man in Denver? over 100,000. Amazing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/26/obama-draws-100000-at-den_n_137951.html

26 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palins MooseCandy

aeroentropy – if you swing on over on Rt 202 b/w Gray and NG, you’ll get to Thompson’s Orchards. Now, I know Mikey is a bit conservative but if you ask for his dad’s old rock-salt gun, I’m sure you’ll have the correct instrument with which to deal with vandals. I should know. I’ve still got the scars from when his old man caught me raiding the orchard one night. I imagine it’ll work really nice against sign stealers.

26 10 2008
Bobg

I take Jonathon Alter’s comments with a huge grain of salt but it should be a wake up call to all of us. It is POSSIBLE to lose this election. Vote—Vote—Vote. Get there even if you have to crawl all of the way. Remember-the alternative is President Palin!!!!!!!!!!

26 10 2008
g

Isn’t “rogue” kinda like “maverick”?

26 10 2008
C.Rock

Off Topic:
Where is SP medical report? Has this ever happen before on other elections?
Someone must not want us to know what on that report.

26 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Hi Susie in Jersey (12:36:27) :

The problem with psychologists making comments involves more than the ethics involved. Palin’s supporters are looking for an excuse to say that academics are out to get her through intellectual trickery. So while it might be fun to let loose a comment in public it would be self-defeating. Besides which people generally know she’s screwed up and don’t need any additional technical jargon to confirm that knowledge.

26 10 2008
disenchanted tore

Bobg (12:22:36) :

And let’s hope that they don’t bother to show at the polls.

26 10 2008
Diane

It is imperative that Sarah palin not escape this election unscathed so she can come back to haunt us in ’12.

Hope the people of Alaska wise up and impeach her.

God help us all if she comes back in ’12

26 10 2008
SoCal Gal

@Forty Watt Hussein (12:34:39)
“So what you’re telling me SoCal is that there really isn’t an inverse relationship between a megacephalus and a microphallus?”

Your too funny Forty Watt! We’re getting a little off topic here, but I sure have had some laughs today.

Thanks AKM and Mudpuppies for making my day!

also @ Aeroentropy aka Bash Budweiser Palin:

Perhaps putting a big ‘Beware of Pit Bull” sign next to Obama/ Biden sign
will deter those nasty burglers…

Worked for me in the Red OC!

BTW..do they have classes on how to become a ‘Beer Heiress’…Anyone?

Peace and Love / Obama/Biden 2008!

This sure beats cleaning house and doing laundry, lemme tell ya!

26 10 2008
megacephalus

Ah, these [virtually – and no pun intended here this time] no news days are SO hard on the collective nerves with 9 to go!

@ Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child (12:36:02) :

thanks! definitely curmudgeonly! But I look amongst us for better expression than the intellectually and educationally challenged SP we all SO deplore!

@ eajphd Molten Contra Palin (12:39:42) :

50/100 points. The endangered species: Great White Whale aka ‘Moby Dick’.

[no, please restrain yourself from going there! 😉 ]

26 10 2008
Bobg

I’ve got a pain in my fingers from typing President Palin. I’d better not look at the screen before my post goes out of site.

26 10 2008
Joe and Heather Linwood NJ

Hello,
Ok we need your help again. I have a very wealthy Aunt in NJ who’s husband owns his own business. My aunt is voting for McCain because of tax reasons.
Well she told me today that Wakovia Bank sent a letter to their home that had some harsh (I call Lies) things about Barack. It went on to say a vote for Barack will result in their childrens trusts funds to vanish away into taxes. She would not disclose any information because she knows we are voting For Barack.
I tried to google to see if anyone else is reporting this? Any suggestions on what we can do?
Thanks again,
Joe and Heather

26 10 2008
Aeroentropy aka Bash Budweiser Palin

Moosecandy —

Are you still in Maine? Gray/NG very very close by….

I don’t want to hurt anybody (well…) but especially don’t want to get caught, or start a vandalism war. But I am miffed. I found a bottle of blacktop repair liquid in the basement, and a can of “lap cement” (funny, we always called it Bear Sh*t in Kodiak – I was totally at a loss when I had to ask someone in a hardware store down here where they shelved it!). I’m really really tempted!

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@SoCal:
This sure beats cleaning house and doing laundry, lemme tell ya!
________________________________

Ever since oh, around, Aug. 29th I’d wager? LOL! (can relate, can relate — man, am lucky to get work done!)

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Big head Troll……………………………………..

26 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

An interesting item from politico:
“Could McCain lose his home state?”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14942.html

26 10 2008
Cynamen Hussein Alaska Blue

Here is some of what the BBC reports today regarding the BREAKING NEWS on the Syrian raid…

It said that “American soldiers” who had emerged from helicopters “attacked a civilian building under construction and opened fire on workers inside – including the wife of the building guard – leading to [the deaths] of eight civilians”.

The dead included a man and his four children and a married couple.

“The helicopters then left Syrian territory towards Iraqi territory,”

(That sounds extremely calculated and unprovoked …very cowardice and Bush-like if this accounting is indeed true!)

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

@Aeroentropy
I’m not sure that tar would work unless you’re getting much warmer nights than we are getting in New Brunswick. It’s gotta be warm to be sticky. I think there was an earlier thread (maybe a month ago) on thief-proofing signs. I recall something fishy-smelling being suggested. I’ll go back and check, but can’t promise anything.

26 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

rf11 – I was watching MSNBC earlier and they had another woman from Wilkes Barre, PA, on her front porch, who had voted for Bush but is now for Obama. She is a nurse and gave an outstanding and detailed statement in support of him. I was thinking it would make an excellent commercial for him.

Bobg — I was watching Alter – and he did at least preface his remarks about those “under-educated voters” with his opinion that Obama WILL win the election.

26 10 2008
inwoodite aka Bang Walmart Palin

“Asked about the business registered under her name, Palin said, ‘Rouge Cou, it’s a classy way of saying redneck. It’s a French word, rouge is red, cou is neck.”

Maybe Sarah should change her business name from Rouge Cou to Rogue Coup!

26 10 2008
Trini

@eajphd: I saw that too. Can McCain lose his home state? I think it is possible. Can AK go blue? Entirely possible! One can only dream….

26 10 2008
Judy in Chicago

Just watched some (started to gag had to turn it off) of Hasselbecks introduction for Palin. Sounds like she knows it ALL. What a diva herself! What a huge ego!

26 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

The BBC report http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7692153.stm
essentially reprints an “official Syrian news agency Sana ” report. So it has to be taken with a fairly large grain of salt.

26 10 2008
Aeroentropy aka Bash Budweiser Palin

Shove Maggot (wow – I can’t believe I’m using that to address someone!) –

“I’m not sure that tar would work unless you’re getting much warmer nights than we are getting in New Brunswick. It’s gotta be warm to be sticky.”

I wondered about that, but it might be better for me if the damage was not noticed immediately, but later on amongst a bunch of signs (where do you suppose they’re tossing them — probably in the back of a pickup, but maybe in the back seat of a car? Trunk? It could be the gift that keeps giving!

26 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish in CT

I hope the Bushies don’t cause an international incident and place our election at risk…..oh wait, they just did.

I hope Obama addresses it in some way, before the POW gets his lips around it.

ew, I just had a nasty visual…..🙂

26 10 2008
megacephalus

Signs: The word ‘puppy’ suggests some simple and creative if unpleasant [for the thief-in-the-night] solutions! Talk about getting your opposition ‘smeared’ over politics…

26 10 2008
Rope Hoover Recoil Zoo Palin aka Misfit

Even more definitions of “rogue”.
Funny how they all seem to fit my view of SP much better than the word “maverick”

Main Entry: 1rogue
Pronunciation: \ˈrōg\
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1561
1 : vagrant , tramp
2 : a dishonest or worthless person : scoundrel
3 : a mischievous person : scamp
4 : a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave
5 : an individual exhibiting a chance and usually inferior biological variation

26 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

The BBC report basically reprints an “official Syrian news agency Sana” report.
The U.S. has yet to respond and there is no other confirmation.

26 10 2008
rf11

Re: the attack in Syria – an MSNBC reporter is intimating that this might have been some type of US special forces team that would go after someone like Osama Bin Laden. The US has no comment.

The whole affair is frightening. The timing makes me wonder, too.

On a lighter note, do you think McCain finally spilled the beans on how to get Bin Laden. Remember his mantra at the debates – “I know how to get Bin Laden,” “I know how to fix Social Security,” etc.

26 10 2008
whichferret

Joe and Heather,

I don’t know unless there is someone out there who gets one of those letters who doesn’t agree with the statements and shares it with the world. WOW though. If this is in fact what is going on this is scary Sh!t

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho
26 10 2008
prettybrowntee

Joe and Heather Linwood NJ (12:55:03) :

Wow I can not believe that. You should try and get a copy and show it to the local news. Thats what I would do. That just makes no since to me.

26 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

@Bobg (12:46:59)

Alter does not take into account, the number of nons who ARE getting information for this election. I know people who can’t be bothered with news, politics etc and in the past voted party lines — generally repub. But this time around is different and they can’t help but get drawn into the conversation. I agree, his numbers were wacky, too.

26 10 2008
Bobg

The one thing that strikes me the most in this campaign is about McCain and the economy. By his own admission he doesn’t understand the economics. Why is he getting a free pass on this? This would seem to be an easy target for Obama.

26 10 2008
NMJ

megacephalus (11:23:39) : …I would venture to regret the degradation of what AKM started here as a good contrarian issues political blog, which AKM does her best to maintain.

Sadly it seems increasingly to be degenerating into a ‘chat room’ place for bored ‘housewives’ to be ‘cute’ in the rather mindless prattle and pointless posts before the wider public they may crave. Sad. Very sad!

mega, I suspect the above unfortunate quote is what drew most of the fire, and it overshadowed the gist of what you were trying to say. It would have been more effective had you shaped your post as a “good contrarian” comment in its entirety, on the quality of the comments.

That being said, I do understand what you were saying and agree with you, but only up to a point. The last couple of days I’ve been positively overjoyed by the quality of the comments and all the links provided. For a few days previous I wondered sadly if this blog was changing, and if there was any other political blog where I would feel at home (probably not). There were several days where the comments were…hmmmm…not what I had come to expect. Like speculation on whether SP wasn’t releasing her medical history because she had STD’s. That’s sexually transmitted disease, for those of us who aren’t acronym-oriented.

I recommend this blog to all my friends, and send the link around. I like the supportive nature of this blog, and the many intelligent and well-written comments. I’m glad to see them return.

26 10 2008
Joe and Heather Linwood NJ

My aunt and uncle would never give up the copy. They are so in it for McCain. I emailed Barack Obama’s campaign the information, I hope that helps.
I still can’t get any information when I googled it.
This is really disturbing. My uncle makes over 10 million a year. They have trust funds for their four boys. I am sure this letter exists with many more high end clients at the banks.
Joe.

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@ eajphd Molten Contra Palin (13:05:39) :
The BBC report basically reprints an “official Syrian news agency Sana” report.
The U.S. has yet to respond and there is no other confirmation.

——————————
This reported on digg.com just a few minutes ago, but no link:

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Any idea if it’s accessible?

26 10 2008
Mayflower

whoops, should read “This was reported on digg.com…”

26 10 2008
Augie

Joe and Heather,
Report it here:
http://fightthesmears.com/

26 10 2008
jk

What was inferred in the 2nd part of this phrase about ‘her family’?

She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else

26 10 2008
mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/14/02543/105

Here is more about the Mansion in Juneau, at which Todd ‘looks for things to fix’ ~ and the monies spent, exorbitant budget expense, etc.

26 10 2008
rf11

@Mayflower:This reported on digg.com just a few minutes ago, but no link:

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Any idea if it’s accessible?
__________________________________________________________________
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

26 10 2008
ds55

I just need to say that Sarah Palin and Elisabeth Hasselbeck come across as very, very bitchy on stage. I find it offensive and I’m a female. I cannot imagine many red-blooded American men looking at them and thinking “Yeah that’s who I’m gonna vote for.” The men are more likely to be reminded of their psycho ex-girlfriend or angry wife. Eww.

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@rf11

so basically those are the directives that give Mad King George the power to do whatever the h%$l he wants to???

26 10 2008
Brenda Kula

What she is is narcissistic. Cunning (though not smart cunning) And patently dangerous. McCain must be messing his pants at having to choose this loose cannon. And now having to watch her blow the whole thing up in his face.
Brenda

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Re: sign security
I’m reposting this from an earlier thread, “Confessions of a sign hacker” — the day the sign cam was conceived!

https://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/confessions-of-a-sign-hacker/

laura lee had this suggestion:

Tips for keeping your Obama sign from being boosted:

1. Set up spectacular flood lights focused on the sign.
2. Put up a notice that says SMILE YOU”RE ON CANDID CAMERA!
3. Thoroughly wet the ground to the consistency of mud in a five foot diameter all around the sign.
4. Place the sign in a giant bear trap.
5. Chain a Pitbull to the sign (OK just kidding no sense making the animal suffer like that!)
And while we’re at it, since Christmas is coming create the Obama logo with red/white/blue lights to display in your window.

Another succinct suggestion from Aussie Puck Mule was “220 volts”.

26 10 2008
Michele

So a former beauty queen and a contestant on Survivor team up to campaign for national office. Is it any surprise the Republican party is viewed as a joke?

26 10 2008
MinNJ Moose Roadster

Joe and Heather
Wachovia is being taken over or bought out by someone or part of the big billion deal. They are a bank in trouble right now…this is just very, very poor and possibly illegal business practice. What is McCain offering them specificially to alleviate their situation? Who is buying them? Follow the money…Strange and very frightening.

26 10 2008
ocliberal

I have to agree with Palin on this one. Her roll-out was completely mismanaged. McCain should have had her out there giving press conferences right away. She should have been on the Sunday shows like all the other candidates. She should have been speaking in support of her candidate following the debates. She should have let the American people know exactly how she stood on all the issues because obviously as the Governor of the ‘largest’ State in the Union and also the “world’s greatest energy expert”, we would have all benefitted from her unique insight into all the serious issues and problem that we as Americans are facing.

Really, what was McCain’s campaign thinking?

I’m certain Palin was at her rope’s end demanding that they stop dressing her up in nice clothes, quit worrying about her hair and makeup and let her speak to the America people one on one. Seriously how dare they try manage, tutor and bring her up to speed! Why couldn’t they have just let Palin be Palin! (Oh, I wish they had done that!!!!!)
mega: Yes I confess I suffer greatly in the grammar and spell-check areas often. But I believe it is a deep testament to my love and commitment to this particular blog with these particular participants that I keep posting here despite making horrendous spelling and grammar errors that mock me immediately after I post even though I thought I’d proofed my post before I hit “submit”. This inability to edit our posts is what keeps many of us very humble I’m sure. At least I know it does me…
Actually mega’s post reminded of a similar discussion going on at DailyKos earlier today. Someone was bemoaning the DailyKos was turning into ‘Myspace” with too many ‘feel good’ stories and not enough hardcore political focus. Someone else answered that they loved the feel good diaries. Still another diaried that the real problem with Kos is congestion – too many people.
(http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/26/113523/39)
I think they are all correct. But as with anything we do on the Internet the real beauty is we have the choice. We can ignore what we don’t like, read what interests us and respond when we think we have something to say, whether or not anyone else thinks we do.

I personally love this Mudflats free-for-all. I read it religiously.

So I’m going to hit submit and I know there are spelling error and bad grammar and whatever else Mega accused us of, but hey, too bad! (Mega, you don’t need to read this…)

26 10 2008
Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago

Good afternoon muddies… this is what I get for going to sleep at 3am! I miss half the day.
Have enjoyed catching up on all the Rogue comments…

26 10 2008
Pursang

Looks like Todd is getting a tad jeolous:

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1239470,CST-FTR-zp24.article

Now I didn’t know whether to link this as it may be considered to be 100% fluff. But then I began to think how the Palin’s are saying she hasn’t been rolled out correctly or handled correctly and I wonder if this complaint by Todd is part of it.

That perhaps they’re afraid this way of projecting her affects how serious she is being taken or how it will affect her seriousness factor in the future.

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@ Brenda Kula:

…..”Cunning (though not smart cunning) And patently dangerous. ….”

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The patently dangerous has been something folks on Mudflats have seen since Aug. It’s why she must be removed from the political scene once and for all and as soon as possible. If it takes an ‘unsavory’ news story — then so be it!

26 10 2008
megacephalus

@ NMJ (13:10:55) : Amen!

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

This is SCARY, especially coming on top of the Syrian raid earlier today. Since when does the Whitehouse release this kind of stuff on a Sunday afternoon?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

26 10 2008
marti

Joe and Heather: Baloney!!

26 10 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

rf11 (13:05:51) :

Re: the attack in Syria – an MSNBC reporter is intimating that this might have been some type of US special forces team that would go after someone like Osama Bin Laden. The US has no comment.

The whole affair is frightening. The timing makes me wonder, too.

Never underestimate what the government will do. I am a bit paranoid as to what our government will do for their own political gain, control of the population, etc….things we ourselves do not believe humans are capable of!

26 10 2008
testerm

Did anybody read the Frum panic article (he wrote like he was peeing in his pants). I got so mad and even wanted to throw up while reading that mess. He had the nerve to cry about how tragic it would be to have Democrats in charge and he went on to say how they would put their friends in office and take all the money. What money???????? The money that Bush has managed to spread to all his friends? Halibutin and the contractors in Iraq, not to mention the many corrupt deals Bush have cut with his so-called base and given them control in so many areas along with funds. Frum even went on to say that MSNBC along with others are framing the anger of the extreme left. This guy needs to be stopped. Please let’s respond to this outrage. Contact everyone you know and tell them to read this mess and speak thier minds. I couldn’t get the link. But it’s on Washington Post.

26 10 2008
Pburgh Live

To RF11, Mayflower, and others re: the bombing in Syria – I’m with you.

Read the NY Times Op-Ed by Nobel Prize Journalist, Kristof, this morning – Al Qaeda has “endorsed” McCain.
It seems “From their perspective, a continuation of Bush policies is best for recruiting,” said Professor Nye, adding that Mr. McCain is far more likely to continue those policies. An American president who keeps troops in Iraq indefinitely, fulminates about Islamic terrorism, inclines toward military solutions and antagonizes other nations is an excellent recruiting tool. In contrast, an African-American president with a Muslim grandfather and a penchant for building bridges rather than blowing them up would give Al Qaeda recruiters fits.”
Hmmmm….Bush stirring up hostility to bring about Al Qaeda retaliation in an attempt to sway voters at the last minute?? They’ve attempted to destroy the constitution in the last 8 years — as if an entirely unprovoked attack in Syria would be a stretch given the Bush Regime’s past behavior.
Read the article here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/opinion/26kristof.html?em

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@ Let’s Get Real & rf11:
RE: the Syrian situation. Frightens me to no end. Timing, special ops, absolutely. Read they went very deliberately went into an under-construction building and shot it up. I pray the momentum remains.

26 10 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

@ megacephalus (11:23:39) : -Over the years ‘megacephalus’ [Anyone know the reference?] has deservedly also been known as
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don’t worry anyone………..AKM takes care of all the puppies
…..this person is just all mad…………..they have been in -time out- for not being nice………and then …….given another chance be be nice…………I guess some people can not be nice…….just does not have it in them……….

26 10 2008
megacephalus

@ ocliberal (13:28:37) : Nice! Thanks… I never fail to read the posts with ‘content’, but you really expressed MUCH better than I my point: the ‘mindless chatter’ of the ‘teenies’ – of what ever age – in MySpace / Facebook [I assume – never found a reason to go there] fills the threads here more and more….

but as to your post(s) wouldn’t miss it!

Thanks to all who picked up on the content if not the ‘style’.

As ‘the curmudgeon’ I join Andy Rooney, and a few others I admire. Never ‘PC’. Not always correct. Never in doubt. 🙂

26 10 2008
John Mashey

In the spirit of constructive advice, having seen USENET newsgroups degrade (they’re decades old), and blogs sometimes degrade as well. I’d hate to see this happen to Mudflats.

1) Early in a newsgroup/blog’s life, there is substantial conversation that communications people call “having a high signal-to-noise ratio”, i.e., you see many posts that you feel have substance, whether you agree with them or not.

2) The most valuable posts are often those that take different positions, are articulated well, are backed up by references, and actually make one think about the issues, and maybe even modify one’s opinion.

3) I’ve seen truly fine newsgroups/blogs drop drastically in signal-to-noise ratio, to the point where it just wasn’t worth the time any more. This is like a Gresham’s Law (bad money drives out good) of the Internet, and it doesn’t take trolls to make it happen, unfortunately.

4) One way a blog degrades is if a post on Topic X gets filled up with too many comments on Y and Z, i.e., where each new post is really just a continuation of set of long conversations. Of course, sometimes X naturally leads to Y, but often it doesn’t. As a result, it can be frustrating, especially in an unthreaded blog, to try to follow one conversation, as the relevant comments get interleaved amongst everything else.

5) Here’s a simple suggestion: AKM has an Open Thread every day. Before you post under another topic, think about whether your post better fits the current Open Thread.

26 10 2008
Rope Hoover Recoil Zoo Palin aka Misfit

Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child (13:24:54) :

Re: sign security
I’m reposting this from an earlier thread, “Confessions of a sign hacker
============================================

Thanks for the reminder of that post!!!
Rereading that reminded me of what we found tucked in amongst the legit political signs posted out on the corner near my early voting location.

It was an ANTI Obama sign which spewed such foul, hateful, poisonous words, I will not post them here. (I am sure we all have seen or heard them)
What I read sickened me but knowing that someone put it out there for any child to read infuriated me!

This poll location is at a local Community Recreation Center where bus loads of children arrive each afternoon for after school activities. It is also located a few blocks from both an elementary and a high school.

I urge everyone to carefully review the signs posted outside your Voting Poll Locations and remove any of these hateful missives that you find.

It was written on bright green poster board and attached to a wooden stake.
Although the sign was not a professional printing, it was obvious the maker had followed some very specific instructions in it’s creation.

26 10 2008
Pursang

Concerning the Syrian issue, Bush isn’t done yet. He’s been far too quiet lately and that’s a bad thing. Who knows what Cheney and him are cooking up to affect the election. They’ve already started the ball rolling in Ohio with the DOJ looking into voter fraud by the Democrats (which isn’t supposed to happen this close to an election) so I’d be surprised if we don’t create another international incident in the next week.

I don’t trust Bush as far as I could throw him.

26 10 2008
Mayflower

From digg.com:
“The Pentagon is refusing to comment on reports that US troops have killed eight people in an attack on a Syrian village not far from the border with Iraq.

Syrian media is reporting that four American helicopters flew across the border and landed US soldiers, who attacked a civilian building under construction, firing at the workmen inside.

Syria says eight people, all civilians, were killed.

The reports said the attack happened in the village of Al-Sukkiraya, around 550 kilometres north-east of the capital Damascus.

A Pentagon spokesman says there is “no response” from the US Department of Defence about the Syrian reports.

Meanwhile Syria has summoned the US and Iraqi envoys to Damascus to protest against what it calls a US military attack.”

26 10 2008
Lighthouse (CO)

I’m at home this afternoon with a backache, 135 miles from downtown Denver, where I could have met a group of co-workers and walked to Civic Center Park, and 180 miles from Fort Collins, where my daughter’s residence hall is within walking distance of the Oval.

I’m not as tough as another poster’s brother in Denver, who wasn’t feeling well and went to the Obama rally anyway.

However, I just wanted to say that I’m proud to be here with you all instead. I’m proud of our side. I still have my moments when I think that this is all going to fall apart in the next week and we’re going to lose. (And it’s not that I’m a sore loser, I just feel with all my heart that if Obama loses, then America loses in a really scary way.)

So, thanks to all of you who care about what’s happening, not only in your own lives but in the lives of your fellow man. Thanks for your concern for the rest of the human race. Thanks to all of you – those with an amazing command of not only the English language, but a few others too: French, Palinese and Latin to name a few – as well as those of us who tend to use the smaller words.

I love you all!

26 10 2008
Anonymous

the whitehouse statement was released May 9,2007

26 10 2008
Lacy Lady

Joe and Heather—–I would report this to the Better Business bureau. Also to the State Atty General of your state. I am NOT an Atty, but it sound like this is an illegal act. This needs to be exposed to the public. At this point, I would be inclined to change whatever accts held by this company. If they are so dishonest in doing this—–what more can they do that would jeopardize the acct. I would also act quickly. Being 79 years old, I have been around the block a few times.

26 10 2008
mmboucher

The Whitehouse statement was released May 9, 2007

26 10 2008
Willie

Just got home from having breakfast with fellow campaigners and seeing the movie “W” in Sarasota, Florida. It is uncanny how alike Bush and McCain really are – did poorly in college, into drinking and gambling and having their fathers constantly getting them out of trouble!

26 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"thatone"MN

Why I like Mudflats:

Some days, I want to elucidate all the reasons I am enraged at the idiocy that is the Republican Party as well as at their duplicity and the nefarious ways in which they endeavor to inject their poisonous demagoguery into the veins of the masses.

Some days, i want recipes for pie, and I want to laugh my ass off at funny videos in links which others provide.

Some days, I want to bathe in the positive vibes of connection and community that is fostered in this blog. I want to be reminded why we are all in this together and what we can accomplish come November 4th.

I do not care much about the salacious details of Palin’s medical history, so I don’t comment on it. However, I understand why others are concerned about it, and I support their right to view those opiynions as well.

I am as much a lover of the English language as anybody, (and, I dare say i have a larger vocabulary than most), but to me, it is just small-minded and picky to overlook the content of a message in favor of tearing apart the context.

What else i like about Mudflats: The rich diversity of the people who visit. If people don’t like what is being said, then suggest another topic (I am sure there will be people to latch on to a new issue) or create your own blog so you can dictate what can and cannot be said. That’s what I plan to do with my own blog.

P.S. I don’t know who linked the video of Obama and Biden visiting a restaurant and chatting with the patrons (or if it was even on this thread), but thanks. That definitely lifted my spirits.

26 10 2008
megacephalus

@ John Mashey (13:41:03) : Increasing ‘noise to signal ratio’ !

Kudos to you too! Much better said than I could or did!

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Mhrt Oregon “Steve” Thank you!

26 10 2008
C.Rock

ocliberal (13:28:37) So I’m going to hit submit and I know there are spelling error and bad grammar and whatever else Mega accused us of, but hey, too bad! (Mega, you don’t need to read this…)
……………………………..
Love it……….well said.

26 10 2008
Pburgh Live

Mayflower, rf11, et al – this Syrian thing scares me, too!
Read Op-Ed by Kristoff at NY Times today – Al Qaeda has essentially endorsed McCain because he would be good for recruiting.
Given the Bush Regime’s attempt to do in our constitution, inciting a last minute terrorist attack by attacking Syria under questionable circumstances would not be be a drastic deviation in behavior.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/KRISTOF-BIO.html

26 10 2008
mmboucher Florida

I think Bush & McCain will do anything to win this election, including causing another war!

26 10 2008
confused

Hey mudflaters you’ve got to see this video. Especialy towards the end. Those republicans will stop at nothing. This video has a crippled young man in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPLCaAu_H2U

26 10 2008
shilo442

A geezes Me tinks weze gots de Plague, we’ze need inoculation.

26 10 2008
confused

You have got to see this. It will lift your sprit.

26 10 2008
Rope Hoover Recoil Zoo Palin aka Misfit

MinNJ Moose Roadster (13:27:16) :
Please do not quote me on this, but I believe Wachovia is being taken over by Wells Fargo.

Then again, I heard a whisper that the WF/Wac deal may have had the plug pulled.

26 10 2008
Lighthouse (CO)

Nice one, Asiangrrl!

26 10 2008
squee

Stevens Built $2.7M Road From His House To Favorite Restaurant

GIRDWOOD, Alaska — Just 0.7 miles long, Crow Creek Road isn’t a road to nowhere. It runs straight to the Double Musky Inn, a Cajun bistro owned by a Bob Persons, a close friend of Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens.

It cost taxpayers $2.7 million to widen and pave that road, and Alaska had higher priorities. But an Associated Press examination of government e-mails and interviews with state transportation officials found that Stevens moved the project to the front of the line.

Full article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/26/stevens-built-27m-road-fr_n_137924.html

26 10 2008
Bobg

I just went to the Dailykos website where they have the invoice for the renovations to the Governor’s mansion. I have estimated construction projects for many years. Without knowing sizes of the installed equipment, working conditions, union or lack of union participation or the condition of the existing installation I couldn’t be sure, but some of the costs I would want more information on. One thing that stands out is the high cost of a halon system. Usually halon is used in commercial kitchens or the underfloor of computer rooms. It can cause health problems if the concentration is above 7% and Immediate evacuation is highly recommended. The high costs indicate that it has been installed in all areas of the Mansion. I would never recommend halon in sleeping or other living ares.

26 10 2008
Judy in Chicago

asianHusseingrrl,
I always read your posts. Thanks for your insights and the positive, fun, good
hearted vibe you contribute.

26 10 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

Watching MTP, missed it this morning.

26 10 2008
aoeu aka Crowbar Carport Palin

Maverick or rogue, hmm. Translation . . . wait for it . . . (tone rising and falling)
mAD COw! mAD COw!Not intended to be sexist.


All your database are belong to U.S.

26 10 2008
prettybrown

asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN (13:47:11) :

_________________________________

Very well said! I left and came back hoping megacephalus would be done but I guess not so. I am out once again. Enjoy Mudflatters.

26 10 2008
confused

26 10 2008
NoCalGal

RouletteRog (11:11:40) :

Actually I think the Republican party will implode- for a bit; and then either they will reinvent themselves as more centrist, less extreme, or there will be a third party with the far right christianistas and that is where SP will be.

The Dems were not always as they are now. They used to be the southern slave holding party, remember? They reinvented themselves.

I think this is the natural order (evolution if you will) of these things. I think it is healthy and will be good for the country ultimately, though it is hard to go through at the time it is happening.

I view myself as socially liberal and fiscally conservative- though I do think we have an obligation to help the poor etc. Not necessarily full welfare, but compassion.

If the RNC were true to its real roots- it would not be anti Gay rights. The true RNC is about LESS GOVT not more; yet here they are poking their nose into EVERYONE’S life through discrimination against gays, FISA and bailouts. It is ironic to the extreme.

And in 20 years or so- who knows; the Dems may implode if they do not live up to their potential. But the Country goes on.

MOST ppl are more in the center than the fringes. Some may be a wee bit left or right of center, but they are in the center area. It is the ones on the fringes (like the scary fundamentalists) that scream the loudest- but they are NOT the majority. They are the tail that wags the dog here.. but I do not think for much longer.

26 10 2008
whichferret

So on a funny note

My husband just said to me “Amy Poehler worked up to the day she gave birth too, but YOU COULD TELL!!!!”

26 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"thatone"MN

@Lighthouse (CO), thank you. I only comment on one other blog (haven’t for awhile), and I saw the same thing happen there, except some commentors also demanded that the blog writer not write about certain things since that’s not why they read his blog.

As for Palin being a rogue or a maverick or a reformer–I actually think what we see in her is the cumulation of all the hot air, reality shows, and bloviating pundits who’ve sprung upon us for the last ten years or so. We, the public, have to take some responsibility as many of us (not here, of course) are demanding the dumbing dowtn of everything and not just politics. We want sound bites. We want easily-digested talking points. We want style over substance. Well, we had it in W. and we most certainly have it in Palin.

Phrases and words I never want to hear again: brand, as in the brand of a person or party. “Growing the economy”, “growing jobs”, etc. Talking points, on message, rogue, maverick, or anything else “sound bitable”. Yeah, I know, not a word. Don’t care. In addition, I want to truly eradicate the ridiculous notion that there is always two sides to a story or that to equivocate is to be balanced. Also.

26 10 2008
megacephalus

If you are at all like me you are waiting to see – as I have been for the past unbearably long year – what Bush/Cheney and Co. will pull off militarily to try to ensure they hold power… and ‘the fat lady has not yet sung’ IMHO!

This is another blatant invasion, contrary to ALL international law, of a country with which we are not at war… yet… and another nail in the coffin of US / Islamic relations…

May I suggest following Juan Cole Monday in the UTC+6 zone a.m.

oops… Cole already has a post up as of 3:44 p.m. UTC+6 [EST]

.http://www.juancole.com/

“US troops made a raid inside Syrian territory near Iraq, according to Syrian media, which left 8 persons (the Syrians say civilians) dead.

“What is odd is that the Bush administration did not behave that way when the infiltration of fundamentalist vigilantes from the Syrian side was a more significant problem.

“I don’t know if this is election politics on Bush’s part, an attempt by Bush-Cheney to mire Obama down in a Syria conflict they started.

“Or maybe the secular, Alawi-dominated Baath Party of Syria, always afraid of the Sunni fundamentalists, has grown so terrified of Fatah al-Islam that they gave a secret go-ahead to the US to hit the fundamentalists where they had intelligence on them.

“The ruling clique in Syria, Alawis, are a kind of folk Shiites much despised by Sunni fundamentalists. The feuding between the two has been visible in nearby Lebanon, in the northern port of Tripoli.”

Cole will have the direct translations of the Arabic, so Syrian, Iraqi sources on this, as well as hotlinks.

also Haaretz.com [liberal Israeli in English] Haaretz says already:

.http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031568.html

German SPIEGEL says:

.http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,586628,00.html

LeMonde says [it’s BTW 11:00 p.m. here]:

.http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/article/2008/10/26/la-syrie-signale-une-attaque-heliportee-americaine-sur-son-territoire_1111292_3218.html

Sleep well!

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@ asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN (13:47:11) : Well said & blessings to you!

You know, throughout this interminably long, bizarre, US-freak-show-for-all-the-world-to-see, election year, one thing I kept hearing from an uber conservative ‘outlaw’ (read: inlaw whom I cannot even discuss the word ‘election’ with at this point) was how the Democratic party had become a party of ‘arrogant elitists’ and was no longer the party of ‘inclusion.’ He remains convinced that most Dem voters are simply a flock drinking the kool-aid of ‘liberal, elite academia’ and that, once backs are turned, it is these so-called ‘elite’ who delight in mocking the masses.

So when I read chastising remarks as we’ve all seen here this afternoon — apparently many of us are not highbrow enough for some (hee, hee, I belong to Mensa, but ya’d never know from my ramblings)– it disheartens me because if my ‘outlaw’ were reading those he’d be jumping for joy saying: “See, a bunch of elitist snobs — I told you so!”

But it’s not those types I’m in it for this year. In all honesty, if the “signal-to-noise ratio” or whatever list-serv type jargon, then so many TRUE AMERICAN VOTERS would not have found our way to Mudflats! There is momentum in this place…

Let’s keep it going!

26 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

NoCalGal (14:04:16)

I know what you mean like the pendulum swings.

26 10 2008
More Light Than Heat

Ok, fellow Mudpals, the sign is done and installed. The web cam is operational. Questions for all you geeks out there. How do we get the images where they can be watched by others? And how can we get it to do an image capture every few seconds?

Snos or Sephy, are you lurking or snoozing? Will post on the Forum as well…

26 10 2008
C.Rock

Funny McCain rally on CNN right now is in the dark. What luck them repugs have.

26 10 2008
Mayflower

whoops…. darn that ‘spell check’ *chuckle, chuckle*😉

“In all honesty, if the “signal-to-noise ratio” or whatever list-serv type jargon one wants to use, remains ‘high’, then many TRUE (BUT AVERAGE) AMERICAN VOTERS….”

26 10 2008
whichferret

And McBush is using the exact same wording as Bush and no one supposed to notice? Really? How are we supposed to believe that they are not planning to steal this election like they did in 2000….just exactly like they did in 2000? And what is going to happen if they do? Is it going to get ugly?

26 10 2008
Polly Hussein

Did anyone read this yet? Senator Stevens had a 2.7 million dollar road built from his house to his friends restaurant in Girdwood. (Double Musky)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/26/stevens-built-27m-road-fr_n_137924.html

26 10 2008
Kim in Florida

Voted early today with hubby and my virgin-voter daughter in Sarasota County, Florida. We were in and out in 50 minutes. Pollworkers were telling us they had over 7,000 early voters in the last 5 days and that lines in Ft. Lauderdale are now at 6 hous to early vote. The pollworkers say that this election will be the highest turnout in history with 85%-90% turnout predicted. I wore my ever-present Obama button through the entire process and chatted with another supporter in the line ahead of me. I saw equal amounts of McNasty bumper stickers and Obama ones which is huge considering this is a normally high Repugnant area. I have to laugh at the pundits mispronunciation of “Kissimmee” with emphasis on the first syllable rather than the second. Hasselbeck is even more annoying to listen to than SWWNBN. I feel soooooooo gooooood having voted early and will keep spreading the news to others.

Love to all you mudpuppies for your “sharing the wealth” of information, hope, and goodwill. I always come here first each day. Peace and Hope in 2009

26 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"thatone"MN

Ta (thanks), Judy in Chicago and prettybrown (stay!). As you can tell, I like words, lots of them!

I am socially and fiscally liberal, but I want the GOP to reinvent itself into the fiscally conservative (and maybe socially conservative) party it needs to be. I would be fine with a third party if the con-cons want to break away from the theo-cons. Actually, I wonder if we need parties at all. I would much prefer just to have a popular election, but I know that is not something to focus on now. i think politics in general have exploded into a business that is way too deregulated and much too difficult for people without money to enter. That would be real political reform (and I am a conservative when it comes to money spent on campaigns), but it’s a pipe dream for now.

26 10 2008
ocliberal

Let me say one more thing… I think the reason most of up ended up at Mudflats is because we were seeking info on this strange new political creature called a “Sarah Palin”. I think the reason most of have stayed is because AKM is a truly remarkable blogger. I read with delight every thing he/she posts. AKM not only keeps us educated and up-to-date on everything Palin and Alaska, he/she also keep us entertained. I would venture to guess that very few of us had any idea who or what a Sarah Palin was before McCain tapped her on the shoulder and said, “Tag You’re it!”

Thanks to AKM’s blogging we all know Sarah Palin very, very well.

I also think it’s safe to say that the majority of us posting here have some very important things in common:

1. We grieve over what our country has become in the last eight years.
2. We are shocked and dismayed that someone like Sarah Palin could conceivably be within a ‘heartbeat’ of the Presidency of the United States.
3. We respect Barack Obama tremendously for his vision of hope, his steady temperment, his compassionate nature and his amazing intellect.
4. We are tired of being lied to by those in power.
5. We believe that America is a great country, founded on great principals and it does not belong to any ethnic group or religious group or income group or demographic group – it belongs to all of us.

It’s always better to look for what we all have in common than to nit-pick the things that separate us. And I think as a group here we all have a great deal in common.

26 10 2008
Kim in Florida

I feel I should clarify my post a tad: the 7,000 voters were at one location in the county in the city of Venice, population approx. 50,000 I think.

26 10 2008
whichferret

10,000 ballots lost in Denver by the company that processed the ballots. The company did not report it….the state noticed the ballots missing and asked WHY. But ACORN is the PROBLEM right?

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@ megacephalus (14:09:09) :
Thank you for those links on the Syrian issue. Now is when I need cable television.

26 10 2008
ocliberal

Kim in florida: Voted early today with hubby and my virgin-voter daughter in Sarasota County, Florida
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I’m chuckling over that one. My daugher is 14 and can’t wait until next election so she can vote. I just pray she too will be a ‘virgin’ voter when the time comes🙂

26 10 2008
Rope Hoover Recoil Zoo Palin aka Misfit

MSNBC Meet the Press; Is anyone else watching or listening to this?
I want to know if I am the only one hearing him digging deeper.

26 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"thatone"MN

@Mayflower, great points that you made in your post. I want people to think, but I don’t want to tell them what or how to think (well, yes, I do, but I’m working on that). I actually am an elitist liberal, but only because I want a president who can articulate his thoughts and plan what he is going to do rather than be a maverick.

Hey, everybody, read Mayflower’s post. It makes a salient point about alienation and how our party is being viewed by people outside it. The Democratic Party prides itself on inclusiveness–let’s not lose sight of that.

26 10 2008
Kim in Florida

@ocliberal: Thanks! My 8 year old daughter wanted to vote for Obama too!

26 10 2008
karma004

Joe and Heather … here’s a link that I found about a Wachovia Bank email that went out:

http://www.topix.com/who/john-mccain/2008/10/wachovia-employee-reprimanded-for-political-email

26 10 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Hi HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (12:34:16) from one ignorant, racist, stupid Western Pennsylvanian to another. I really howled when I watched it this morning. West VA you are now either off the hook or we are in this together. LOL

I have a few comforting facts: (1) dollars donated from Butler Co. are higher for Obama (haven’t checked the other counties); (2) Kathy Dahlkemper is winning the 3rd district (Butler to Erie) over Phil English a long term Republican on the Ways and Means Committee; (3) I was called by the Obama campaign last night because they have opened an office in Butler. I am meeting with the guy tomorrow morning; (4) there are barely any signs around for either candidate. (5) the unions are extremely active but in a person to person way – meeting members, retirees, families and so on.

This vote is not something people want to talk about but aside from the wing-nuts (and there are many) I think the area will go blue because people are afraid for their jobs. The liquidity problem is already pinching the factories. The buyers can’t get money to purchase. If something doesn’t break there will be layoffs soon.

On a really astounding note I talked to my niece in grad school at Texas A & M and she said the whole area is covered with Obama signs. Bryan/College Station is red usually. Can Texas be going blue?

26 10 2008
Michele

Susie in Jersey (12:36:27) :,

I’m not a licensed mental health professional, but did my master’s thesis in public health on personality disorders. Of course, even a professional would be unable to actually make a diagnosis without thorough evaluation and this is simply my personal opinion, but I think it’s pretty safe to say that at the very least SP demonstrates several traits common to individuals with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). I have no idea if she actually has NPD and, in fairness, personality disorders in the B cluster (see below) are very, very common in politicians, so if she does, she is not alone. The ‘Bible’ for psychiatric dx, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) categorizes NPD in the same personality disorder cluster as anti-social and borderline personalities (cluster B) and describes it this way:

“The essential feature of Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of contexts.Individuals with this disorder have a grandiose sense of self-importance (Criterion 1). They routinely overestimate their abilities and inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and pretentious. They may blithely assume that others attribute the same value to their efforts and may be surprised when the praise they expect and feel they deserve is not forthcoming. Often implicit in the inflated judgments of their own accomplishments is an underestimation (devaluation) of the contributions of others. They are often preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love (Criterion 2). They may ruminate about “long overdue” admiration and privilege and compare themselves favorably with famous or privileged people….”

Essentially, people with NPD have several distinguishing characteristics that I believe Sarah Palin has publicly demonstrated including:

1. They feel deserving of recognition despite having no commensurate achievement (not “blinking” or taking any time to reflect on actual qualifications prior to accepting the invitation to be VP nominee would be an example of this)

2. They are unable to reconcile negative input about themselves with their own overblown self image (she believes she was “totally exonerated” by the Branchflower report, and it was all Todd’s fault anyway. She had nothing to do with purchasing expensive clothes–that was not her fault and the McCain campaign is not putting her best interests forward)

3. They have no empathy for others (her long history of “throwing people under the bus and her lack of consideration for what her children, especially Bristol, would be exposed to by her acceptance of this nomination)

4. They are very uncomfortable when they are not the center of attention. It has been less than three months and SP is already chafing about being number 2 on the ticket. She is unable or unwilling to play second fiddle and, despite the fact that this is the MCCAIN campaign is complaining that McCain staffers are not putting her interests first–which, of course, is not their job.

5. Most concerning is her demonstrated “narcissistic rage.” This potentially dangerous state is characterized by not being able to tolerate, in any way, perceived disloyalty. For a narcissist to reconcile their inflated view of themselves with input that others don’t see them in the same glorified way, the narcissist has to destroy (metaphorically and sometimes literally) the dissenting viewpoint (Wooten, Monegan and now disloyal McCain staffers are known victims of SP’s narcissistic rage).

Personality disorders are not considered an organic, biological disease state (unlike depression, schizophrenia, etc. which are considered diseases), but rather a pervasive pattern of maladapted behavior and thinking due to (naturally) a dysfunctional upbringing. I’m not 100% convinced of that because lots of people have dysfunctional upbringings and don’t end up with personality disorders. I actually think there is most likely a biological as well as psychological basis for many personality disorders and tend to have more sympathy for sufferers than many in the medical community do. However, that sympathy does not extend to thinking affected individuals should be placed in positions where they can negatively impact the lives of others. I think of the cluster B personality disorders as the “dangerous” ones because of the lack of empathy and extreme self-focus demonstrated by cluster B sufferers. Todd Palin would also be an interesting psychological study, as he seems complicit in Sarah’s behavior–actively supporting her narcissistic tendencies and being co-dependent to Sarah’s delusions of grandeur.

26 10 2008
whichferret

My 14 year old son is really upset that the next presidential election will come just a few weeks before he turns 18.

26 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Susie in Jersey (12:36:27) :

Realizing that it is unethical for an professional to comment, I still wish someone would come right out with a comment on her psychological condition.
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Susie,

To me it is not so much her own problems (which are very obvious to anyone who has lived long enough and seen all kinds of people in life) but when a person like this finds a mirror image in an electorate in a political system that then feeds the insatiable narcissism. This kind of impaired person has no system of inner reflection and insight. They are only external driven. This makes them very, very dangerous people when they become empowered by followers. The best book ever written on this topic is by the historian Robert G.L. Waite. Some psychologist types pooh pooh this kind of analysis using the tools of psychological analysis. This book is so much more beyond that. It is really a psychoanalysis of the societies themselves that empower these kinds of people. I have been posting here since P-Day that his book is an absolute MUST READ for now and the future to understand what we are dealing with with Sarah Palin. She absolutely must be stopped. Her only further use would be the temptation to let her destroy the Republican Party by running as a candidate in 2012. I would say no. I would say that she be removed from any kind of political role as soon as possible by any means necessary. There are too many completely irrational people now in the electorate of the United States. Her new roguishness meme and blaming others for what has gone wrong is completely the profile of these kinds of people. She is a classic example. She does not like opposition of any kind. Just like a borderline personality Bavarian corporal once who found a political following in his nation. The rest is history. It was an utter catastrophe for both his nation and the world.

This is a MUST READ book:

http://www.amazon.com/Psychopathic-God-Adolph-Hitler/dp/0306805146

26 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish in CT

Ya know.. I keep a “fluff” blog in another space. It’s fluff because I once posted a political rant about SWWNBN the day after she was picked and I caught all sorts of heck for it. Clearly, not like minded people were on my “friends” list. So, I wrote briefly about my right to my opinion and that if they didn’t like it, stay off my page. Then when they didn’t, I deleted the blog and closed my page for a week or so. Now, I will not go Political there, because of the closed minded individuals I encountered who were not afraid to lambaste ME personally. They turned my diatribe about my frustration with SWWNBN into a political witch hunt, wherein I was the witch. So now, I write about my pets and my job and other fluff…no flack on that stuff.

This blog, thanks to AKM, brings together like-minded individuals who are able to celebrate the little victories we each share here. ie: voting for “that one”, demonstrating against SWWNBN in her home state, fighting the racism and prejudice and division then sharing the stories here. This blog is the opposite of “fluff” and everyone has something to contribute. When I see someone come in here and stir people up with contrary and oppositional rants about us, I shake my head. Attacking WE THE PEOPLE OF MUDFLATS is simply self-serving and ridiculous. None of us here are in it for ourselves. None of us here are selfish. We are inclusive in our attitudes. However, if you should be reading this blog, and feel the sudden urge to pigeonhole us or call us names, expect a backlash.

And I agree with what Asiangirl said about the various reasons we come here. I got a heckofa pie crust recipe from a Mudder in Alaska. Where else would that have happened, but here in side my computer, via Mudflats?

We, too, are one.

Go Obama/Biden.

26 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

@Kim in Florida

If you go here you can track on your vote.

Link https://doe.dos.state.fl.us/fvrscountyballotreports/FVRSAvailableFiles.aspx
Click on your county and a notepad doc opens with the list of voters…it’s in alpha order by location

I am in South Florida and voting was heavy the first few days — but lines weren’t so bad by Friday.

26 10 2008
Mayflower

Amen Hamlets Mill!

26 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

@ John Mashey (13:41:03) : Increasing ‘noise to signal ratio’ !

I agree with megacephalus on the clarity and pertinence of your post. Much as I enjoy Mudflats and all the folk who participate, I certainly have from time to time found it “frustrating, especially in an unthreaded blog, to try to follow one conversation, as the relevant comments get interleaved amongst everything else.”

I imagine the Forum is one answer, where conversations are kept on topic.
Your solution, “Before you post under another topic, think about whether your post better fits the current Open Thread” makes sense too.

That said, personally I have not been turned off by my occasional confusion while sifting through the posts to follow this or that particular conversation. Nor do I think Mudflats is at the point of (bio?)degrading. Nonetheless, your post is a reminder that it could happen and that would be very sad.

26 10 2008
NoCalGal

Another invasion into a sovereign country- in a part of the world that is a tinder box. I am not looking forward to why or what this will mean. And as Mega said, and as we all know, this election is not over until it is over. And Buch/Cheney/Rove are not to be underestimated for extreme actions…

shuddering here.

26 10 2008
Kim in Florida

@Michelle: I can relate to your post as a paralegal who has worked in family law for 13 years, I have become somewhat of an armchair psychology student and have seen plenty of narcissists and dysfunctional people. We joke that when we screen new clients we should ask if either of them have a history of mental illness and that it must be in the water because we see soo very much of it.

26 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

This is a readers review on Amazon of Robert G.L. Waite’s famous book: “Adolf Hitler: The Psychopathic God”

“This is the first and only book that I have read that actually attempts to understand the mental inner-workings of the greatest political mind in the past hundred years, and through that,understand how he was able to accomplish his goals. Robert Waite’s thorough analysis of Hitler’s beliefs, personality, mindset, and methods finally explains the inexplicable; how can one man convince an entire country, nay, a continent, to abide by his childish whims and maniacal will, to accomplish what certainly must be considered one of the most horrific, if not the most horrific, acts of all time. The question is a burning one that begs for an answer, and Mr. Waite strives mightily to do just that. Through intense and delicate research, as well as some speculation on his part, he traces Hitler’s family origin, the sources of his beliefs, and most importantly, his psyche, and molds them into a very viable theory that is at once enlightening and sickening. This is an excellent book, written by a first class historian. It is without question required reading for any individual that wants to know the “how” of the Holocaust. My only small complaint is that in his immense dislike for his subject, Waite finds it impossible to refrain from sarcasm and showing his disdain at certain points in the reading. I might add, however, that these instances are usually very entertaining. “

26 10 2008
MinNJ Moose Roadster

So true, OC. Thanks…and that was very well said, and we approve that message! My very best to everyone…M.

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

hi kids..

a while ago, there was a question on sign stealers.. Here’s a nice simple solution..

A little bearing grease mixed with some RIT die, along the edges could be a nice deterrant, although it could lead to more serious vandalism. The likelyhood of the police finding fingerprints would be greatly enhanced..

Since there is no reason for anyone to touch a sign on private property, i can’t imagine what they could try to scream foul or charge you with something themselves.

Also, keep in mind that it may well be classified as a ‘HATE CRIME’ for anyone to steal political signs out of your yard. Check with the police for more details.

But gear or bearing grease is nice and thick.. mixed with blue rit dye would make them easy to spot, and it would take a while to get it off. A teen with blue fingers at school would be pretty easy for the staff to catch. !

Hope that helps!

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

IS it just me, or is elizabeth hasselback annoying..???

And Palin is trying to undo her clothesgate, but my take on it is once busted, it’s too late to go back to the Walmart clothes..!

26 10 2008
Hick Town in W PA

ocliberal (14:16:11) One last point. There are many of us here who have waited for 40 years for this day. Like Moses in the wilderness we have been since the 68 convention. The Clintons didn’t do it for me and they actually couldn’t get it together soon enough to do much when they arrived. They are the perfect example of the struggles outsiders have with a totally insider’s town. By the time they got a clue, Newt had rolled over them.

No one is going to roll over Obama.

So we hold our collective breathes in hope.

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

I posted this in the overnight thread, right after a new one was opened, so a lot didn’t see it.. add your names..

Inspirational People in my lifetime: John F. Kennedy.. Bobby Kennedy.. Martin Luther King, Jr… Cal Ripken… Willy Mays.. Lance Armstrong.. Muhammad Ali.. John Glenn.. The Crews of the Columbia and Challenger.. The Beatles… Colin Powell… The 1980 US Hockey Team… Ghandi… Mother Theresa… NYFD… The People of Flight 93… Rosa Parks, Helen Keller, Jackie Robinson… Princess Diana… Ghandi… Nelson Mandela… Louis Armstrong… Picasso… Franklin D & Eleanor Roosevelt… A good start for now…

2008 Addition… Barack Obama…

What’s your list?

26 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN (14:15:56) :

Always enjoy your posts.

ocliberal (14:16:11) :

Well said.

26 10 2008
Kim in Florida

Thanks Antsy for the link. I am scrutinizing it now – lots of Dem voters😉

26 10 2008
reveur1147 aka Hussein NOpalin Scorpio for Obama

@mega — thanks for the links. @NoCalGal — you’re correct about many/most being centrists. European socialists are lol at Obama being called a socialist. Just ask any Frenchman about LePen. @ocliberal — a lovely post

26 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

@Bec Hussein in Illinois (10:50:09) :

I had the very same question when I read that “process question” quote last night. I sure hope some Mudflatters out there can explain that one.

Doesn’t every question require the “process” of the brain to come up with an answer? Just askin’.
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I took that to mean a question that can’t be answered with a hail of bullet points.😉

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@ asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN: Aww, thanks. (have a hard time articulating, so thanks for getting my point🙂 . As for the Dem party, yes it breaks my heart to argue with a ‘relative’ over how it is viewed in certain areas — and that is even more reason to stick together and keep the momentum going!

(OT & for the record, I’ve been besieging his inbox with editorials on the dysfunctional GOP & the upcoming ‘civil war’ in that waning party. He just doesn’t get it.) Your arguments for a three party system are spot on, btw!

Have a peaceful evening Mudflatters. Must go feed my ‘creatures’

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

A process question is simply what people are assuming.

It’s one that requires thought and internal mental examination of the question to give what might be concidered an opinionated answer.

A good example of a process question could be ‘Why is the sky blue’? There are both process answers, based on opinions, ie, because God made it blue, or it’s blue because the sun and moon and air make that color. A fact based answer to that would be the atmosphere’s layers add blue color when seen in daylight.

Obviously the sun is the factual part of the factual answer as the sky isn’t blue at night.

Hope that sorta helps..🙂

26 10 2008
Regi

I honestly believe it is because of crime!

@ Big Al

It’s justifiable worry, keep squeezing the middle class, cut off benefits to the poor and you have more crime. Really squeeze the middle class into a working poor class and you have a revolution.

26 10 2008
rf11

Seriously, I haven’t found any question that Palin is competent at answering. She either lies or strings together a list of GOP sound bites. That’s about it.

26 10 2008
strangelet (Speck Backfire Hussein P.)

@marti (13:31:51) :

I second that baloney.

26 10 2008
IfImlyingImpalin
26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

rf don’t forget barbie uses words that don’t even belong in a sentence..

‘like I’m agreeing on the reasons why combining the different cultures of bing sure there is nothing why there is nothing to say why there are confused confusing comments that are more confused than confusion has decided why I’m also interested in lowering the rate of crime in the benefit of jobs in America.

26 10 2008
Judy in Chicago

This election has me doing things I’ve never done. I’ve voted in every election as an independent, but never this “involved”. Finally at the age of 53, for the first time I have a yard sign, purchased and gave lots of signs away, donated to the campaign, wear my Obama shirt, display a bumper sticker, and I have volunteered to drive elderly church members to the polls.

It’s just a shame that it took so long for me to feel this kind of passion for a candidate. Better late than never

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

i don’t eat much baloni.. although a good roast beef sammich sounds good..!

26 10 2008
ira2

@ Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin (14:52:25) :

You forgot to add “also” :o)

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

Judy, we’re the same age, and i agree. There hasn’t been a candidate in my mind since JFK that has spurred such passion in our country. Gore was boring, Kerry was just icky, both bushes were nothing to cheer about, Clinton was, well, Clinton.. Reagan was just a confused old man.

Obama speaks to people, even when the crowd is 100,000 like in Denver today, it’s like he’s speaking directly to you.

That says what needs to be said!

26 10 2008
Regi

Judy in Chicago (14:53:04) :

This election has me doing things I’ve never done. I’ve voted in every election as an independent, but never this “involved”. Finally at the age of 53, for the first time I have a yard sign, purchased and gave lots of signs away, donated to the campaign, wear my Obama shirt, display a bumper sticker, and I have volunteered to drive elderly church members to the polls.

It’s just a shame that it took so long for me to feel this kind of passion for a candidate. Better late than never

We’re not encouraged to discuss politics Judy. We’re raised to believe it’s impolite in this country. As if what our elected officials do just don’t matter. Especially girls and women. Even my husband has backed off this election and he’s GREEK. He’s just so sure Obama’s going to win he doesn’t bother. I wish I had his optimism !

26 10 2008
shoeho

What SP’s Oval might be like (doG forbid!)

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

Click on various objects. Make SURE you click on the door many times, and the red phone at least once.

26 10 2008
copybook realist

Another spectacular day. Here is a slide show from the Denver Post of the rally today!

http://photos.denverpost.com/photoprojects/galleries/cologalleryV6.html#id=album-3955&num=1

26 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Hick Town in W PA (14:34:29) :

ocliberal (14:16:11) One last point. There are many of us here who have waited for 40 years for this day. Like Moses in the wilderness we have been since the 68 convention. The Clintons didn’t do it for me and they actually couldn’t get it together soon enough to do much when they arrived. They are the perfect example of the struggles outsiders have with a totally insider’s town. By the time they got a clue, Newt had rolled over them.

No one is going to roll over Obama.

So we hold our collective breathes in hope.
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Hick Town,

Very well said. It has indeed taken 40 years to get to this moment. All of us have been on this very long and hard road that everyone had intuitive knowledge about back in 1968. This nation is headed for a total reckoning. We all knew it. Everyone knew it back then. You could taste it on your tongue. You could feel it in your soul. We have been here before. We recognized the utter magnitude of the national cognitive even spiritual and humanitarian dysfunction. But I have to admit GWB and Sarah Palin are figures of such incredible ineptitude I am some what stunned by the mental acumen of at least half of the amazing dysfunctional electorate of the United States of America.

In all honesty, I never envisioned that people could be manipulated to vote aganst their own self interest in a political system 40 years ago. I honestly never foresaw that as ever being possible.

But it was.

So, as I posted here a lot, maybe we need a tune to keep our morale up!

August 1969

26 10 2008
Michele

Kim in Florida,

At the time I was working on my thesis, more than 10 years ago now, the estimates were that 1 in 10 people had personality traits that would fit the criteria for a “disorder” and that number was expected to rise. My particular interest was in Borderline PD and I’ll bet you get a lot of sufferers (and their victims) in your practice! How do you all stay sane? I switched to medical research because the mental health field, especially personality disorders, was simply too draining. Now I just have to contend with idiots like Sarah Palin ridiculing research in fruit flies because they have no clue how genomic research works.

26 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

megacephalus (11:23:39) :

If our cephali are not mega enough for your taste you have two options.

26 10 2008
Ennealogic aka PumpBustHussein

@ John Mashey (13:41:03)

Greetings, and welcome even though I do not recognize your name. Perhaps you haven’t been around long enough to know how this blog’s comment community works, or, at least, how it seems to me that it works.

While one _could_ post in a thread started 20 hours and three stories ago, the conversation here is dynamic. AKM gives us new food for thought, and we respond to it but because life is not static the conversation necessarily moves on after a time. The subjects are sometimes inconsequential, sometimes on topic, and sometimes they deal with breaking news on another topic. That is why this place is alive and why, I’d warrant, most of us keep returning day after day.

Friend Mashey, life is like that. Spontaneous. Rich with nooks and crannies. Taking unexpected turns. I recommend if you want a structured, ordered conversation, that you spend time on a forum guarded and guided by someone who is particularly anal retentive about keeping the right posts in the right places. While I understand and appreciate the urge to control things, sometimes it’s better to just let things be.

If it isn’t broke, you know, don’tcha, also!? 🙂

26 10 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

confused (13:51:13) :

Hey mudflaters you’ve got to see this video. Especialy towards the end. Those republicans will stop at nothing. This video has a crippled young man in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPLCaAu_H2U
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yes……. a must see……………this is very OT…………but i think that is we all love mudflats………you can go OT and feel good…thank you for sharing………..I had tears…………is there an old saying about needing a village………we are a village

26 10 2008
confused

For a break from all this check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPLCaAu_H2U

26 10 2008
ira2

Just had a chuckle when it sunk in the the current comments about Palin being a diva fit what I thought a few days ago while listening to The Phantom Of The Opera DVD (for the umpteenmillionth time, while doing dishes). When it got to ‘Primadonna’, I hollered, “HAY PALIN, HERE’S YOUR THEME SONG!!!!!”

I’m resisting the devilish notion to point out that “Sarah Palin” could be substituted for “Primadonna” in a minor rewrite of the thing. Resisting really hard. Nope, won’t do it. You’ll have to think of that yourselves.

26 10 2008
rf11

@mmboucher and anonymous: Regarding the Syrian incident – the way I read it, the action was taken based on the authority given the President in the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, which was created on May 4, 2007. Thus, the press release was on May 9, 2007.

According to Wikipedia (I know, I know):
The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20, sometimes called simply “Executive Directive 51” for short), created and signed by United States President George W. Bush on May 4, 2007, is a Presidential Directive which claims power to execute procedures for continuity of the federal government in the event of a “catastrophic emergency”.

Such an emergency is construed as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.” [1]

The unclassified portion of the directive was posted on the White House website on May 9, 2007, without any further announcement or press briefings,[2] although Special Assistant to George W. Bush Gordon Johndroe answered several questions on the matter when asked about it by members of the press in early June 2007.[3]

Very, very frightening. I hope to heck Obama is being (or was) briefed on this.

26 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

Judge dismisses juror 4 in Stevens case

The judge overseeing Sen. Ted Stevens’s corruption trial dismissed one juror Sunday evening and ordered deliberations to restart just eight days before the Alaska Republican stands for reelection.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/judge-dismisses-juror-in-stevens-case-2008-10-26.html

26 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Aussie, I think the big head troll is gone.

26 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish in CT

Judge dismisses juror in Stevens corruption trial
http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/2008/10/26/D942F8TG0_stevens_trial/index.html

26 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Ennealogic aka PumpBustHussein (15:05:04) :

@ John Mashey (13:41:03)

John,

Here is your new word for today as discussed above in the chaotic thread: multivalent

Because the electron shells of carbon are “multivalet” there is life on this planet.

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

a list of some fun Palinisms..:

They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan

“We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. … We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation.”

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.

“[T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.”

“Oil and coal? Of course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it’s Americans that get stuck to holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It’s got to flow into our domestic markets first.” HUH??

“I know what Americans are going through there. And you know, even today, Todd and I are looking at what’s going on in the stock market, the relatively low number of investments that we have, looking at the hit that we’re taking, probably 20,000 dollars last week in his 401K plan that was hit. I’m thinking, ‘Geez, the rest of America, they’re facing the exact same thing that we are. We understand what the problems are.”

26 10 2008
Goalie Sanka Palin in NM

Hick Town in W PA (14:34:29) :

There are many of us here who have waited for 40 years for this day.

**************

Yes, yes yes! And, I am one of them.

Admittedly, I am now getting a bit greedy about it and not only want to win the WH, Senate and the House…golly gosh…I want to paint the whole world blue!

26 10 2008
megacephalus

@ Mayflower (14:19:10) : and
@ reveur1147 aka Hussein NOpalin Scorpio for Obama (14:40:18)

one of the greatest gifts my parents, and my then excellent public HS in suburban Boston, gave me was foreign languages!
A grounding in Latin, then French… in college German, that has allowed me to live here in Berlin. [Later Italian while working in Switzerland, and more recently add in a bit of Swedish… much nicer than B. in Summer.] the first FL is the hardest and each added is easier as the linguistic center of the mind learns patterns…]

BUT to the point here: it allows me to go to sources to read opinions other than, heaven help America: ‘MSM’ or Faux ‘News’, etc..

Spiegel, LeMonde, Die Zeit, Courierre della Serra…

Haaretz and AlJazerra are on my morning ‘must read’ [full disclosure – it starts with DOONESBURY]… both liberal in context of their publics and surprisingly often in agreement. And the later two are ‘canaries’ to the source of much of the world’s troubles!

For those with further curiosity, a German summary of articles in English:

. http://www.signandsight.com/

and also edited by the noted German Jewish writer, Rafael Seligmann
[whose superb bio of Hitler has awakened my appreciation of SP’s similarity in psychic origins to AH’s!]:

.http://www.atlantic-times.com

BTW free mail subs to Atlantic Times are available to US residents!

26 10 2008
kas (from Oregon)

There has been much said about Barbie’s wardrobe, pull string responses and “rogue” status. I admit, I have been gleeful at the continuing misteps of both SP and JMcC.

However, we now face a much darker situation with the border crossing into Syria. As the campaigns respond, the thing to watch is any disconnect she may or may not have with the McCain line. It will be interesting to watch to see a) will the press have access to her?; b) will she ignore her handlers and seek out press? and c) how far into fear will she, the campaign and the Rep Party go to embolden their fear tactics.

The response from both campaigns, and the to be honest the response from Syria, are going worth watching.

26 10 2008
disenchanted tore

confused- thanks for the break in the action. (Umm, ya coulda passed out the tissues ya know?) Truly inspirational! Yes, WE CAN!

I certainly don’t want to sound like an ingrate but I’m getting antsy wanting to hear the details about yesterday’s sign rally (and I’ve been procrastinating with the homework so I wouldn’t miss it). Talk about another inspirational group of peeps!!

26 10 2008
John* The Pitbull Wrangler*

Impeach Sarah Palin

26 10 2008
amanda

26 10 2008
mudflats

Got to see it.

26 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

@ Ennealogic aka PumpBustHussein

@ John Mashey (13:41:03)

Greetings, and welcome even though I do not recognize your name. Perhaps you haven’t been around long enough to know how this blog’s comment community works, or, at least, how it seems to me that it works.

******************************

With respect and in total agreement as to how this blog’s community works, I don’t see that John Mashey is in any way talking about fixing it.

I know we all feel Mudflats is unique. What I hear John Mashey saying is, that
setting aside our loyalty to this blog, ALL blogs, by virtue of the fact that they are “spontaneous. Rich with nooks and crannies. Taking unexpected turns”, are self-organizing and unpredictable. They are therefore inherently susceptible to degradation, under certain circumstances. This doesn’t mean to say this blog will degrade or that it is need of intervention. Rather, John was simply laying out some of the ways blogs can and do fall apart.

And if that’s not what you were saying, John Mashey, let me know!

26 10 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Hussein

Aeroentropy aka Bash Budweiser Palin (12:33:29) :
Or maybe, some roofing tar along the edges? Grape jelly (no, that’ll bring the raccoons). Something unpleasant….

Any other thoughts?
…yes…
There was a recent discussion of stink bait, as I think it’s called.
Sort of a nasty fish oil product available in sporting good stores.
Fresh from the tube it doesn’t smell much at all, but as it warms on the skin, it is rank and difficult to remove. So you can have it on your hands without knowing it, touching many other things, spreading the wealth around, you might say. A simple, safe, effective booby trap.

Someone used it on the doorhandles of cars which (despite signs and notes and direct requests) were repeatedly parked where they didn’t belong.

26 10 2008
Marty (VA) Hussein Queen Grifter Failin

hey kids.. a new thread is up..

26 10 2008
NMJ

ocliberal (14:16:11) : It’s always better to look for what we all have in common than to nit-pick the things that separate us. And I think as a group here we all have a great deal in common.

Well said! ‘Nuff said.

26 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

ocliberal (14:16:11) :

It’s the Mudflats Manifesto! Good on ya!

26 10 2008
Ennealogic aka PumpBustHussein

One final comment… this is NOT a Usenet newsgroup. 🙂

26 10 2008
More Light Than Heat

@ Marty
Bishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela along with all the inspirational people you mentioned. Those jumped out at me immediately, but then there’s Lech Walensa (sp?) and Vaclav Havel as well. And that un-named young man who stood off the tank column in Tianamen Square.

26 10 2008
kas (from Oregon)

OT

Before you head to the new thread — here is an amusing little test.
Quotes from both candidates are displayed on a series of topics. Any well-read Mudflat devotee will be able to distinguish between McCain and Obama. However, neither quote is identified. You pick the quote that best represents your personal view. Then at the end – you can see how your view fair against the candidates. In interest of full discloser – I scored ALL Obama but one – which just about killed me. But I guess no one is perfect.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/MatchoMatic/fullpage?id=5542139

26 10 2008
kas (from Oregon)

wow – typo goblins

full disclosure

26 10 2008
Hick Town in W PA

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (15:00:17) :
🙂 With a Little Help from My Friends

Altho all day I have had the song on SNL rolling in my head … “Our house is a mighty fine house … life used to be so hard …”

Goalie Sanka Palin in NM (15:15:40) : Isn’t it great to even entertain the thought that it is possible to have a royal flush and a full house?

On the question of stupidity: our government has encouraged stupidity and uninvolvement. Think of the refrains. (1) Why vote? They’re all the same. (2) Elitist intellectual pigs. (3) All the years when liberal was a curse word (thanks to the Reganites). (4) No Child Left Behind (to really learn) (5) Taxes are a curse so lousy schools, infrastructure, health (6) Science is hard so why bother (Liberals have a lot of blame here also by pushing marginal courses and majors at the expense of rigorous thinking and major effort) (7) social promotion in schools (functional illiteracy is rampant in this country) (8) social isolation (9) cronyism throughout business and government (it’s not what you know but who you know) (9) burnout work environments (who has time to care about anything else) (10) a hostile environment for political discourse

I could go on and and on. Since it took us 40 years, it will probably take as long to fix many of these things. Stay vigilant.

I could go on and on. The merit society of post WWII was perverted in so many ways.

26 10 2008
Hick Town in W PA

megacephalus (15:17:18) :

der Speigel has an English language edition and PA Public TV has German news (in German) from about 1 am to 6 am. I lived in Saarbrucken and then Frankfurt for a few years

26 10 2008
Zim in Oz

@C.Rock (12:47:53) :
>>>Off Topic: Where is SP medical report? >>>

LOL… *morning all* …just thought of something.

Is SP actually real, anyone actually seen her…prodded her ? Is there blood in those veins ? Oil ?

Are you sure she did not escape from the original ‘Stepford Wives’ movie….the scarey one ?

The more I look at her and the more I hear it appears that she need rewiring/retuning…needs to return to the factory.
She’s like one of those dolls that talk…I think her ‘tape’ has slipped or got stuck.

perhaps….that is why there is no medical…(*scarey music*)

26 10 2008
Pacificnwgal

You “ain’t” kidding that the GOP ‘damaged and mismanaged her roll-out.” It’s mainly their fault. If they would have vetted her BEFORE they decided to nominate her as VP, they might have found out that our Sarah is an entrepreneur-type woman. She does her own thing and is NOT a team player. She has been “off message” from the beginning because she does not really get the GOP message, understand the issues, does not want to play the game the GOP WAY. They have only themselves to blame.

26 10 2008
Blaster Commando Community Organizer in Cecily

What’s the difference between Mavricky, rogue, and insubordination?

Answer: Ask Walt Monegon!

26 10 2008
NY Dem

Hey, I’m 342nd !!!!

26 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

‘damaged and mismanaged her roll-out.”

Don’t you just love the automotive branding imagery. It fits with Zim’s question “Is SP actually real, anyone actually seen her…prodded her ? Is there blood in those veins ? Oil ?”

26 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

Obama Chants in Spanish With Denver Crowd of 100,000

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) — Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama, working to win over Latino voters in Colorado, chanted “si se puede,” or “yes we can,” in Spanish along with an outdoor crowd in Denver estimated at more than 100,000.

The Police said the crowd was “well over 100,000″ (his biggest crowd yet)

26 10 2008
Pacificnwgal

OK. Get a load of this. Can anyone imagine Sarah Palin and her family in their own REALITY TV SHOW? Read the article below because it is a possibility:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14941.html

Oh My God Almighty! Unfortunately, I can see it happening. They would be the ideal family for the next family reality show. I have no intention of watching such a thing, but AKM, just think….. It all started with your little blog of entertaining tidbits about this family. You may be the catalyst for Sarah’s stardom! Never would have thought it, right?

26 10 2008
Joe and Heather Linwood NJ

To all who left a comment regardin Wachovia Letter,
Thank you. Heather and I will contact the BBB tomorrow. As I had mention we sent an email to the Obama campaign.
Regarding Wachovia it does seem really odd they would pull something I believe would be illegal.
My wife and I have never paid attention to any election before as we are now. We are stunned beyond belief of what the republicans who have had 20 years of the last 28 years of Power. I am so proud of Americans who are standing against the evil that has taken over our country.
Thank you for all your help!
Joe….and I am not a plumber who makes 40,000 a year owes 1200.00 in back taxes….But is worried that Barack Obama will raise my taxes from 36% to 39%(Clinton years of taxes) When I become a millionaire….
Dream on Joe…..Your ignorance and lack of commen sense is why you are not an owner but an apprentice of a plumbing company.

26 10 2008
Lacy Lady

There are many sayings—History repeats itself. We learn from our mistakes and etc. But I do think, people should read history. I believe we can learn to recognize just where someone is coming from. I lived thru WW11. The war ended when I was in High School. It could be that having this experience, that I can relate to things happening in todays world that should be studied. There were families in Germany who were on opposite sides in supporting Hitler.
Brother against brother. They felt so strongly about their beliefs, it was dangerous to expose their views. I see similar actions taking place today in this election. When Palin gets out on her ranting and knocks down Americans who have a different view of who we are as Americans. She acts like the only people who are fighting in this War are all Republicans. She is a very dangerous woman. John McCain has very poor judgement and does not think of country first, by supporting her and all her ranting. Just like the uniformed Sheriff who spoke at her rally in Florida. He looked like Hitlers SS officer in Germany. (The Gestopo) To incite violence is un-American.
When this election is over, and hopefull Palin goes back to Alaska, that she never holds office again. I can understand how she was elected the first time, but now that she is on the national scene, she has exposed herself for all to see and it has opened the eyes of the good people in Alaska who voted for her. I don’t think she will ever be elected again.
I would also like to read the book about Hitler—hope our library has it.

26 10 2008
Mayflower

@ megacephalus (15:17:18) — Thank you for the perspective! The only EU sources I’ve been linking to are Herald Trib (I know, its NYT for ex-pats), the Telegraph & the Jerusalem Post. However, I did quickly check the link you provided. Besides the news, I may have found an entirely new avenue with which to besiege my ‘outlaw’…. Please keep us posted of any developments on the Syrian front.

26 10 2008
End the End Times

Marty and More Light Than Heat,

Inspirational people: A starving woman in Afghanistan who I saw interviewed in a documentary several years back. She was talking about only having grass for her soup. She asked the rest of the world to help her. I think B.O. will actually care about people like her. There are many such people like that woman in Afghanistan, and several of the things that will enable the world to all help each other is to end prejudices and fight the corruption that leads to war. Of course, one could go on and on, but this is only for blog commentary–and this thread is already pretty long.

26 10 2008
Laura Lee

I do believe this is STILL American and I can talk about whatever I want whenever I want and on whatever post;)

While traveling today I scanned the radio and stopped on that most obnoxious station, you know the one with the crazy right-leaning idiots on it. Ah they were talking to SP but had run over their time and they said, “We hope you don’t get into trouble with your handlers for going over.” To which she snottily replied, “PFFFFFFFF, I’ll handle that.” Can we say MEOW????

These jerks are worried that if Obama becomes president then the airwaves will be monitored and they won’t be able to speak freely anymore. WWWWHHHHAAAAAAA poor little chicken right wingers….shut up and hand me the BBQ sauce:)

26 10 2008
Laura Lee

Aeroentropy aka Bash Budweiser Palin (12:33:29) :

Slightly off recent threads –

I just noticed that all of the Obama signs in my neighborhood disappeared last night, here in rural, but not all that far from Portland, Maine. What an unbelievably petty, cowardly act! Rat B*stards!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Drape poison ivy all around it (wear gloves!), smear stink bait on the back of it, attach a wasps nest to it? Good luck!!!

26 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

I had to hunt high and low for a pic of the record-breaking Denver crowd to put on my website.

Someone in Co might want it for a souvenir.

[IMG]http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk92/sparkleferrari/denverover100000.jpg[/IMG]

26 10 2008
Seam Marauder Palin

Palin is a full-on narcissist. Expect more of the same. That’s all she’s got.

26 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

She is saying now that the clothes go back together with the other stage props.

That doesn’t alter the fact that the Republican Party went beserk buying in bulk some of the world’s most expensive garments — but it does get the tax man off her back.

Cunning.

26 10 2008
Sharoni'

Hey kind of a cool youtube post, on the “Bush/McCain/Palin/& Religous Right administration.” It’s set to music, thought it was pretty good.

26 10 2008
kate aka chin duststrap

hi all
was away all day so trying to get caught up from my morning mudflats read. The NYTimes article on McCain was informative about McCain’s choosing of Palin. It all really goes back to if he had vetted her, he would have seen she all the difficulties.

I recall many people writing then that the Palin pick would be what cost McCain the presidency and it seems that she is definitely a huge part of that. I do think if they had let her “be herself” she would have hanged herself weeks ago.

26 10 2008
Territorial babe

I left AK just before the Permanent Fund Dividend. I don’t owe the land of my childhood anything but respect. I thought I left her in good hands.with Jay Hammond.

Lots has happened in 30 years. Soon, there’ll be celebration of her 50th. Mudflats has brought me back up to speed.

Living stateside, I’m convinced in the small towns (as well as many large towns) people are just as good-hearted there as they ever were, but the Walmart phenomenon has arisen along with paveovers, and now the latest version of Orwellianism–Palinspeak. (Beyond the red herring of abortion…more greed and duplicity.)

When all’s said and done, they say, more’s said than done, however, this business of trotting out candidates like Tonka trucks (and Mr. Giuliani and Mr. LIeberman as representing the republicans, yukking up and enthusing over Ms. Palin without knowing one thing about her) has ‘gotta go’.

G_d help us move forward and beyond, if Mr. Obama is elected. G_d help us all if Mr. McCain is elected.

26 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein

megacephalus (11:53:47) : And Puppies… catching up here… I think our beleagured/intrepid person who wanted a “cerebrial” discussion is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaak. heh heh

26 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein

Oh God, I think megacephais is my Uncle Gary. I apologize Mudpuppies. As God is my witness, this is exactly how his e mail missive sound. I used to think he was so cool, but then again, that was 40 years ago, and I have changed.

26 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein

I obviously have lost my ability to correct typos, too. Mea Culpa

26 10 2008
mhrt oregon"steve"

new post

26 10 2008
mimi

Big Al : Read this post “Show me the note” – regarding your foreclosure – some homeowners facing foreclosure have been successful in questioning the legitimacy of their foreclosures because no one can find out what happened to their note. Good Luck!!

26 10 2008
26 10 2008
My Early Voting Experience

I live in Daytona Beach, FL and early voted last Thursday. The line was long, but decided to wait 1 hour since I will be unable to vote on election day due to my work schedule. Standing in line was not that bad. I was eves dropping on conversations around me and enjoying the weather.

30 minutes later my position had moved to where I was just about to enter the building when a very loud person approached one of the poll volunteers and asked “Where is line for people that work?” The poll worker pointed to the end of the line and replied “There is only one line.” Not satisfied with the answer, the person pointed to his maroon colored McCain/Palin hat and said “You can see who I am voting for, so you know I have a job.” The poll worker just pointed to the end of the line. As this person walked away I noticed a gun and 5 Sheriff Star on his belt.

What an ignorant fool. His comment was offensive to everyone in line and I’m sure he is violation the regulations of the Volusia County sheriff’s Department by wearing political items while in uniform.

26 10 2008
Deuce2 AL/Axe Diesel Hussein

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (15:00:17)
——————————————-
I remember that August all too well. I had just graduated
from high school in June. Had a great time there. Those
were the days.

26 10 2008
John Mashey

Forty Watt Hussein (15:25:17) :

Yes, that was exactly what I was saying.

The views come from 20+ years’ experience, off and on, observing/participating in online newsgroups and blogs, going back to mid-1980s. [I’m easy enough to look up.] Of course, I only started following Mudflats in the middle of the Republican Convention.

Any blog-owner of course is free to run their blog any way they like. Tightly-moderated blogs are way-too-much work, especially for one person, and they do lose some of the free associativity that is indeed often valuable. But as in civil society, the quality of what happens depends on everyone’s behavior. Thanks goodness, either trolls don’t come here, or AKM weeds them out (which causes them to give up).

However, at some point [and Mudflats isn’t there, fortunately], a blog can go “over the edge” into poor SNR and being “write-only” at surprising speed, at which point many thoughtful contributors give up.

Hence, this wasn’t a plea for draconian moderation from AKM, but as a gentle reminder of what can happen, to help it not happen here.

27 10 2008
Abby

Big Al-Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.




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