Chris Matthews is like a monkey with a gun. Sometimes he’s kind of wacky and unpredictable and you never feel quite sure of what he’s going to do. Other times, he takes careful aim and hits the bad guy right between the eyes. This time, Republican spokeswoman Nancy Pfotenhauer was the one with the big shiny bullseye right in the middle of her forehead. The subject of the conversation? How is it that Sarah Palin still does not know the job description of the Vice President? If you have not seen Matthews’ verbal flaying and subsequent evisceration of Palin via Nancy Pfotenhauer, you are in for a real treat. If you’ve already seen it once, watch it again. It’s almost a seismic event.
Don’t just click. Make sure you’re comfortable. Get yourself a glass of wine, or a cup of tea, or a shot of Jack Daniels. Get out those comfy sweat pants. Popcorn even, if you’re so inclined. It will wait for you.
(waits)
You’re back! Good.
Roll ’em!
Wow. There are just no words. He wiped the floor with her, crumpled her up like a little paper towel, and with two fingers, dropped her in the trash.
There was one other time Chris Matthews approached this type of brilliance. There may have been others, but this is the one that springs to mind. It was back in June of this year, when Kevin James made a reference to Neville Chamberlain as an appeaser….and had no idea who Neville Chamberlain was, or what he did, and Chris Matthews would not let him off the hook. Since we’re all enjoying this Chris Matthews love-fest, here’s that classic for you to enjoy.
Mudflats 
No WAy I am First! Incredible Video!
This was a true classic today! And in the words of John Stuart of the Daily Show….what the P-F—?
Too good! She keeps stepping in it every day…you’d think she’d say no to Chris and stop coming on every other night (or maybe every night!)
Now that I have done the mudflatter “first dance.” – Though from Palinville this may not surprise anyone – but this again speaks to the dissaray in the McCain Campaign. OF COURSE this question would arise again. Shouldn’t there be someone out there giving her the answers. “Refer to the constitution Governor” and then talk about assisting the president in assigned duties. OH GOOD GRIEF!!!
She is indefensible! (Both Palin and Nancy Pffffff!)
When are the Repubs going to stop defending Palin? They are now making excuses that because she was talking to a third grader, misinformation/ignorance was acceptable? Give me a break! Personally, I would think when speaking to a child of that age, it should have been basic and simply put…maybe Palin needs to minimize everything she says…anymore than 10 seconds and she gets into trouble! (or is it 5 seconds?)!!!!
Also – picked up on the previous thread – and the NBC video. Chuck Todd talks about the campaign staff being “surprised” (more likely in SHOCK) when Palin said she would release her medical records.
OK – so if she’s a healthy but perhaps uterus tired woman – what’s the problem with releasing. This MAY be the BIGGEST October surprise. Any bets on it taking longer than two weeks to get the out?
When are the Repubs going to stop defending Palin? They are now making excuses that because she was talking to a third grader, that’s why she said what she did, but yet they forget, it was WRONG!!! I guess misinformation/ignorance is now acceptable? Oh, that’s right, it’s been the norm of the Repub campaign so far, so why stray too far now?
Personally, I would think when speaking to a child of that age, it should have been basic and simply put…maybe Palin needs to minimize everything she says…anymore than 10 seconds and she gets into trouble!
(or is it 5 seconds?)!!!!
dog gonit not first
Hey this is the FIRST time I’ve been first… Next time fellow Oregonian
Sorry for the double-post everyone…my computer is acting weird tonight and it just kept “going and going”…so I sent it out again because I got a server error the first time…
Anyway…sure everyone has seen this, but it is a riot and totally makes a great point…check it out if you get a chance…my kids sent it to me earlier today…you can send it to friends and or put your name in it…
http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/taf.html?id=&nid=mhYzQZsSpYgJEq7NOWd3TDQwMjExOQ–
Got it Jane and have sent it to people I know will send it on.
My NEWLY REGISTERED 18 year old son – who delivered his ballot to the county today – got a call specifically asking for him. It was an Obama Volunteer asking if he had voted.
Walk those ballots in Fellow Oregonians!!
Actually, here a link where I put my name in so you can actually see what the video is when you send to friends…
http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=8kBCcCLTRJR2JirVPFQtyDc3ODY1NA–&referred_by=10885819-7YdSG_x
GREAT!
kas —
great that your son got to vote…mine turned 17 in June and it is killing him he can’t! my daughter is going to vote for the first time this year and is going to do it on the 4th to get the ‘true experience’…she’s so excited!
How cool is it that an Obama Volunteer did that? A friend of mine is working day and night in Colorado doing the same — hoping to tag as many Obama voters as she can…what an efficient plan they have going on the ground…I have been well impressed!
Jane (20:15:19) :
When are the Repubs going to stop defending Palin?
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At this point the base will defend her, regardless of what she does. I find the $150,000 clothes fiasco to be obscene. Especially considering the current economic climate in our country. You can’t tell me they couldn’t have dressed up the family…for say….a measly $20,000?
I know it is rough, you wanna shake them and say “WHAT?!?! YOU CAN”T MEAN THAT”
But the deep base is SO paranoid of scary Obama. Ya know he is gunna make us wear burkas, he was really born in Kenya, he believes in killing babies, he has a secret agenda….blah blah…
It is the SMART Republicans, the ones that are savvy enough to understand the stories are BS…those are the ones who are speaking up. The Bucklys and Powells.
So don’t expect the far right to abandon Palin. She is their hope. Their salvation.
God sent her, dontcha know?
It’s about time the press started DOING THEIR FREAKING JOB!
It’s now been 54 DAYS and Palin has not had EVEN ONE PRESS CONFERENCE!
Out-freaking-rageous.
WAKE UP America.
Headline in Colorado Yesterday:
Palin opposes tax to help developmentally disabled.
Yes, that’s right – she would oppose a one cent tax on every TEN dollars to help the developmentally disadvantaged.
Check out the article and the video here:
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=102301&catid=188
JT –yeah, I should have known that…huh? : )
I think Palin is starting to look more and more like witchy-woman — yeah, the woman who is always standing behind McCain with the weird eyes and smile on her face and mouthing what he is saying in tandem with him…uh, yeah, that would be Ms Cindy RichBags!!
kas (from Oregon) (20:08:56) :
No WAy I am First! Incredible Video!
feels good ……….doesn’t it
Palin was either hardheaded and didn’t want to change her answer or just dangerously ambitious!
Blue Lonestar…
d. All of the above, and don’t forget, e. Stupid.
my daughter always use to say …………….some people need a filter………….
Matthews is on fire tonight. An interesting preview of the Brian Williams McCain/Palin interview coming up with both Brian and Chuck Todd commenting on how disconnected McCain and Palin are together…just no chemistry he says. He also points out how difficult it has been for the candidates to even talk on the same page indicating a serious lack of communication at all levels or the organization.
what gives with these repugs……….
palsin 5 kids
bachman..5 kids
protf………..5 kids
k harris……..florida
how many kids………i wonder
do they have a quota
my daughter …..1………CAN’T
interesting last words in the second video
‘loaded worded used for political slander’. Deja vu, et tu, McCain/Palin?
Niiice, but I’m wondering why Matthews did not go for the slash and burn he could have had had he used soundbites of Palin’s oft-mentioned “has the authority to expand the role of the Vice Presidency if they so choose to do so.”
can’t afford more then one…..medical and education cost so much……..
Nancy Pfotenhauer smiles a lot and breathes heavily, but isn’t strong enough to stand up to Chris Matthews. I can’t believe she’s a Senior Policy advisor to the McCain Campaign. I wonder when she’ll get thrown under the bus.
Did you notice that Sharon Leighow has Defended the kids’ travel allowances? The wagons are starting to circle now. Sarah’s coming back.
sheesh…
it’s as if they are two separate planes about to go “bump” in the night [sky]…
What do you call Sarah Palin in a VW?
“Farfromthinkin”
i was almost first once………you get a little buzzzzzzz
OK….I have a question, does anyone have an answer???
I am watching Hardball, and he is interviewing Heidi Harris who says universal health care is not American. WHY???
Where in our Constitution does it say that?????
I am also happy someone pointed out on the show that Sarah Palin is socialistic for her give away to taxpayers…with money from the oil companies.
Actually not surprised that she’s a Senior Advisor to the campaign… probably one of the reasons they are in such disarray so much of the time… like I said, earlier — she has been on the defense most of this week with Chris — you’d think she’d stop coming on the show!
LOVED the socialistic comment on how Alaska has been known to “share the wealth” with $$ from the oil companies!
p.s. I was second today…kinda’ a good buzz even being no. 2! : )
Nancy Pfizzywig must practice her sparkling smile and bursts of tinkling, feminine laughter in the mirror every night. Or else she thinks this election is one big joke. And I’m not sure which of those explanations of her behavior is scarier.
i t might not be as bad as we think………my mothers family is in arkansas……..they are very red…………but even they know things are bad now………..so what they are doing………since they can not vote for that guy………they are just not going to vote this year………and that is ok…….it is just a vote Mcplain will not get………even they get it…….
I’m on the Obama email list
Here’s the latest video they sent
https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/finishline1?source=20081022_DP_ND_D
Thanks, AKM, for “Matthews’ verbal flaying and subsequent evisceration of Palin via Nancy Pfotenhauer” – that’s entertainment. You are such an awesome writer AKM, with so much talent at stringing words together, on top of being a muckraker. Thanks for doing what you do!
Both Matthews and Pfotenhauer are so boring and annoying to watch and hear. While I appreciate being informed, I don’t watch American TV news. With the exception of Keith Olbermann (he yells but is always right) and Rachel Maddow, it’s all Disneyland, Disneyland, Disneyland IMHO. And no one is polite, everyone yells and screams at one another (on FOX esp.) – American news television is similar to Caribou Bible Barbie and her corruption – in that it’s frickin annoying. Drawn-out-nothing. Yawn. Enough. ENOUGH. Ay Yi Yi.
I have been reading this blog regularly and recommend it to all – check it out:
http://lefteyeonthemedia.wordpress.com/
She will have soooooo much baggage, I can’t see how the RePug Party will want her on the ticket for 2012
Troopergate
Troopergate — The Sequel
IncomeTaxGate
HouseGate
I think the issue of the mining/bay where she took her hat off and gave her personal opinion should be in there too as that is an ethical issue.
Busy person!!!
Has the campaign retired Tucker to the back room?? It’s fun to watch him get batted around!!!
Well fellow mudflatters – and Steve in Oregon – this special ed teacher has to be up at 6:00 and am calling it a night (yes… it’s only 10 here).
See you around the campfire tomorrow!
OK Steve that sounded like I didn’t think you were a mudflatter — not true
I was just acknowledging your residence…. My humblest apologies
@ JT
You might want to read this from this week’s Economist. The US and Germany are tied as the two countries with the highest amount of money that the “government” pays per its citizens. Seems like you are already universal, but the bulk of what you pay goes to the fat cats, making money off of your illnesses. Quite an eye-opening article.
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12432416
mark my words;;;;;;;;;;;they are cloning these women
Jane (20:22:54) :
Actually, here a link where I put my name in so you can actually see what the video is when you send to friends
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I received the email with the video and had my name in it already.
It came from Peter Koechley with Move On . org.
Chris Matthews asks what has happened to civics lessons…
Well, they’ve gone by the wayside. They don’t teach it very well in schools and they don’t teach about the history of unions anymore… and I wonder who you have to thank for that… which party doesn’t want to educate kids?
No Child left Behind has yielded No child left to vote.
I posted this on other thread. Here’s link to abc consulting with a Tax Expert. The clothing is taxable!! Add that into IncomeTaxGate together with per diem & kids travel!!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/tax-expert-pali.html
Tax evasion — oooooohhhhhh!!! What fun!!
AKM is gonna be one busy Mudpuppy!!!
BTW she couldn’t stand up to scrutiny on Rachel Maddow’s show either.
Monkey with a gun. You are priceless! I can’t even get past that first sentence without spewing soda out my nose…
It is about time that someone cut through the CRAP that the Republicans pundits have been spewing out these last months. Good for Chris Matthews that he stuck to the subject and did not let that Pfotenhauer with her stepford wife smile try to muddy it all up and lie to the faces of the American people like they all have been doing. She is shameful to decent women. What makes me angry is that they have so little respect for Americans that they think that it is okay to lie to our faces and we will believe them. It is sad that so many people do believe them.
This $150,000 clothing expense for Palin is just obscene. Just another scam on her part. She is really a greedy thing. Wouldn’t you think that since she made a fool of herself last summer sayign she didn’t know what the VP did that she would at least read what the Constitution says? What the hell is her IQ anyway? Is she getting dumber, or is she just mentally retarded?
I would love to watch an interview between Ellen DeGeneres and Sarah Palin. Pat Buchanan is always sounding off about how thinking journalists like Rachel Maddow discriminate against Sarah Palin because “she is an attractive woman.” Well, then, why is Sarah Palin discriminating against lesbians like DeGeneres because she can score an attractive wife like Portia de Rossi? The truth is, if the narcisstic Sarah Palin thought kissing a girl would forward her celebrity you know she would jump on the dance floor, “throw her diamonds in the air,” and kiss the girl and like-did it.
So who is paying for Piper, Willow, Trig and Toad to travel with her all over the place now? The RNC or the State? Does she really need the kids in the background of her speaches?
Vlad Hussein wrote:
“Seems like you are already universal, but the bulk of what you pay goes to the fat cats, making money off of your illnesses.”
Exactly, Vlad Hussein. Like whoa.
OMG- that was frightening (and, brilliant). The look in his eye….. Thanks, AKM.
I’m going to have Chris Matthews nightmares tonight-maybe I’ll read some Stephen King before I settle in.
I hate to admit it, but he will call out Dems he catches slipping too.
re: LibertyLover
Regarding schools, civics, and NCLB. Unfortunately, NCLB doesn’t have anything to with Civics. The standardized test do not cover that subject. So the teachers have to “teach to the test” to make the feds happy, and not teach the “important” subject areas like civics thanks to Bush and his take-no-prisoners-education agenda . Civics is taught throughout school, however on many levels. No, what is happening is what we are dealing with in this political circus. It is the reason for this blog. It is about the lies, spin, and dirty politics that are confusing people so they begin to doubt what the laws are. When parents hear this stuff, they tell their feeling to there children. Many kids grow up to vote like their parents. They come to school with their parents’ influence on these issues. It affects “how” they learn and what they believe when subjects like civics are taught. I guess I am talking like a teacher now, but teachers are really trying to figure out how to get through to these kids in our crazy culture when movie stars are their role models and they have ipods and cell phones glued to their ears.
Chris is especially good when he’s dealing with simpletons; he gives them every chance to as he put it to Pfizzywig (love that! Thanks Bea!) “come down off that ledge”. And they never do! They just smile wider and repeat their foolishness, become prime YouTube fodder, and their opponents suddenly get millions of dollars in donations.
When he isn’t lolloping around like a half-grown golden retriever, Chris can be devastating. A pit-bull, even. Blond.
Big Al: I agree. SP would do a WET T-SHIRT CONTEST FOR CHRIST or a soundbyte for unconvicted racists, and all the boys would go crazy like whoa.
1) Once again, numerous people do not understand YouTube Elections; thisk video of Nancy a long time.
2) Mudflatters may enjoy a description of the common <a href=”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect, in which it is found that:
a) Low-competence people often vastly over-rate their own competence.
b) And they are unable to assess others’ competence.
However, with training and desire and time, they can improve, but in Gov. Palin’s case, there does not seem much evidence thereof, especially as she still doesn’t seem to understand the VP job description.
Big Al: I meant to say unconvicted RAPISTS, not racists.
Help, mudpups! I KNOW I saw a recent post about an assistant to a fashion consultant remarking on Palin’s lack of good hygiene (doesn’t wash hands before exiting the ladies’ room), but now I cannot find it! I have a Repub relative in Cincinnati who is elated tonight having just shook hands with the Gov at the rally! Should I share the story? What a dilemma! Does anybody know where it is?
Someone posted this in the last thread (sorry, can’t remember who), but if you haven’t seen this attempt to explain and diagram Palin’s word salady sentences, you MUST go read this RIGHT NOW:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/172337/89/687/639024
Also.
Hussein Canuck for Choice,
Newsflash! Sarah Palin makes last-minute appeal to Fraternity Members by blaming the victims of date rape.
Does the McCain campaign staff WANT Palin to fail? What are they telling her? I wonder what they are advising her to say? Didn’t they discuss with her what her role would be as VP and how to discuss this? Or are these people just as clueless and stupid as she is? But, I they might be… just look at their talking heads like Pfotenhauer. Sad, sad, sad, sad……. And McCain….. defending her constantly…. sad, sad, saddder…..
You gotta love the piece. The scariest thing is that Palin probably believes she really IS going to be in charge of the Senate. Oh MY! It would be interesting to see what McCain would do with her if he DID win. (I’m feeling optomistic tonight – I’ll have to send that video from Jane to myself.)
Do you suppose the Palins really will have to pay taxes on all those clothes? AND give them to “charity”? AND she’s going to have to come home to a State that’s on to her? What’s that saying about sowing the wind?
Bea (21:32:00) :
Someone posted this in the last thread (sorry, can’t remember who), but if you haven’t seen this attempt to explain and diagram Palin’s word salady sentences, you MUST go read this RIGHT NOW:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/172337/89/687/639024
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Thanks for the re-post,Bea-
I missed that on the last thread.
am feeling neglected here — posted 3 or 4 times on prev. thread and nobody answered — finally looked to see there is a new thread — and I thought I was all alone in this big blog
sniff sniff
😉
Just for kicks, since we’re talking hardball interviews, if you’ve not seen Jon Stewart’s guy in action, watch this:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=187601&title=Oliver's-Travels—Iraq
oh, how i wish i could watch video’s! is there a transcript somewhere i could read?
out here in the hinterlands of northwesten pennsylvania, (pathetic) dialup is all there is. and by pathetic, i mean whenever there is 40 drops of rain, verizon phone service goes out for hours or days. . . so frequently, there isnt even dialup. trying to watch a vid or download it just isnt feasible.
of course there is no cable either, but that’s ok, i havent even bothered to have my antenna hooked back up when it came loose in a storm, tv is such a waste of life these days.
i do sorta wish i had a tad better radio reception, though, i have the old plaster walls in the farmhouse, so i can barely get radio stations either!
poor, poor pitiful me!
it’s only this recent political stuff, ‘specially the sarah palin stuff, that makes me feel i’m missing something. i’ve tried various programs that claim to bridge the dialup/video problem, but nothing has worked. if anyone should happen to know of a program or workaround that’s a magical cure, wou you please clue me in?
What is so ridiculous about Palin’s “if the VP wants, he can get in there with the Senators and make important policy changes” is that the VP is a member of the executive branch, not the legislative branch.
I see how the campaign is trying to spin this as “she was talking to a third grader” (which she wasn’t – she was talking to an adult reporter), but even if she were, why would she completely pervert the separation of powers doctrine? The VP has NO role in shaping legislation whatsoever, and that is by constitutional design.
Hell, I knew about the three branches of government by the third grade.
And I don’t mind seeing Matthews wipe the floor with anyone who comes on his show to bleat talking points, no matter their political affiliation. Nancy Pfullofshit was put in a difficult position and I grudgingly admire her for doing the best she could to salvage the wound. Imagine having to clean up Palin’s PR messes.
Off to bed-keep the world safe, mudflatters.
Man, Chris Matthews chews up Kevin James, spits him out, and chews him up again! I don’t usually like Matthews as I find him a tad overbearing, but I loooove how he takes down James and Nancy Pufflehumper.
@Aussie Puck Mule Hussein, from the last thread, I haven’t seen Anne from Washington in some time. I have seen an Anne, but I’m not sure it’s the same one. Anne from Washington! Please give a shout-out and let us know how you’re doing.
Here is Palin appearing from Alaska on The Late, Late Show with Craig Ferguson in June/07
TiredMom — Palin’s kids are props. She has to have at least one there to prove that family values thing.
Nancy P has strong ties to the John Birch Society – nuff said for me on that one. The woman curdles my blood.
Night, Carol(IL)
farmhouselady (21:45:38) :
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Transcripts of Hardball here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
The Wednesday one isn’t up yet, but should be by morning, 🙂
Karion – Separation of Powers? Are we talking about the same Gov. who created a bit of a constitutional crisis up here over “Trouper Gate”? This is not someone who believes in the separation of powers. It’s Executive Branch all the way!
@Enjay in Eastern MT, sometimes, the most stimulating conversation I have is with myself. Of course, that doesn’t usually happen on a blog, but, hey! Welcome to the new thread.
@Juneau girl, I read that there is some loophole that will allow Palin to not have to pay taxes if she gives the clothes back. I’m not entirely clear on gift taxation laws, though, so don’t take my word for it.
Nancy Pufflehumper should be tossed off the bus. I mean, she tried, but I could come up with a better defense for Palin than that. How about, “Sarah Palin is a poet. Poets talk metaphorically. So when she was speaking of getting in there and really helping to write policies, she meant that in a metaphorical way. The problem with you wonks, Chris, is that you’re too literal.”
There! Where’s my salary, Senator McCain?
Plus, it must be said in a calm voice. Nobody likes a whiner or a blusterer.
Enjay in Eastern MT (21:41:57) :
am feeling neglected here — posted 3 or 4 times on prev. thread and nobody answered — finally looked to see there is a new thread — and I thought I was all alone in this big blog
sniff sniff
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I see you Enjay! Hugzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
Canadian Neighbour (21:50:34) :
Here is Palin appearing from Alaska on The Late, Late Show with Craig Ferguson in June/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh-lW2opLyQ
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Whoa! Palin pre-makeover. QUITE a difference! Though clearly already a big fan of the winky charm offensive. Wonder of this gig was part of the PR package she paid that firm $30,000 for????
What up with that Rudy Giuliani’s robo-calls saying that Barack Obama is soft on crime and sex offenders?
Why don’t the Republicans save the RNC Creative Department the trouble and just post the old Willie Horton ad with the caption, “Barack Obama conspired with Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis to give Willie Horton a weekend furlough when Obama was a 25-year old community organizer in Chicago.” This on the heels of on-going revelations that the 8-year old Obama while a third-grade student in Hawaii conspired with anti-war radical Bill Ayers to bomb the U.S. Capitol Building and the Pentagon.
@Jster: I think you’d have to go back at least 4 threads to find it. I’ll look and if I find it I’ll copy it here. Maybe together we can move the mountains.
Jster — my last Mudflats deed for the night – heading to bed. I found you the article on the Politico blog where someone posted about the fashion consultant, the turmoil in the Palin camp, and the ick factor about the no handwashing. I won’t post it on here – but here is the link — scroll down to the post in larger type and you’ll find it. No way to verify its “truthiness” – but the are the style attempts with Palin she mentions sure do sound plausible.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/Palin_didnt_like_way_she_was_handled_out_of_gates.html
I guess when you are used to dealing with moose guts – washing hands after going to the bathroom doesn’t have much meaning.
Thanks mudflats! Amazing videos. I agree about Matthews — nothing gets his dander up like liars and frauds. (Whatever happened to that dweeb Kevin James? He sure disappeared after that.)
But I do have one question, and be honest: Was Palin this dumb as Governor?
She didn’t just get off the plane like this, did she? Could it be that she’s been snacking on lead paint chips for the last two months? Cause that woman is a moron.
Big Al of Las Vegas (21:35:22) :
Hussein Canuck for Choice,
Newsflash! Sarah Palin makes last-minute appeal to Fraternity Members by blaming the victims of date rape.
“Anticipating the national television news camera on her, Sarah Palin shoves aside Braden Garcia (Brandon Garcia’s first cousin), bruising the 9 year old.
Sarah Palin meets with the members of C.U.N.T., a male university club. She advises these members of C.U.N.T. that terrorists may exist where you least expect them, and if you see a suspected terrorist, especially if they are a woman, that they should rape them. Her reasoning: (not available ).
farmhouselady (21:45:38) :
Can you do the satellite thing? Is Dish Network or another carrier available?
Any tall trees that someone could shimmy up with an antenna for radio? I remember my father running a cable from an antenna on top of the silo into the house…It was before the first TV so it had to be radio…
I wish I had a magic wand for you, girl.
McCain’s choice said the -same thing- to a 3rd grader as a reporter.
Whats the common denominator here?
SP herself.
BTW the other – 3rd role of a vp is to certify the ballots of the electoral college.
The video of her asking what he vp does -everyday-, is on its face reasonable. Really.
The daily activities will for the most part be to keep up with the president so that he/she knows how to step in without interrupting the business of the presidency.
The question should have been- “what will John McCain want me to do every day?”
Some presidents did -not- use the VP much: JFK LBJ. Cheney is more involved in daily activities.
Whats so screwed up about SP’s answers later – ‘It was a lame joke’ – “I’ll run the senate” and “make policy if I so choose”, is that they should have seen it coming, and prepared reasonable answers.
It seems more effort was put in the outfits of McCain’s trophy running mate.
Kas in Oregon-congrats to your son! I walked my ballot into the precinct to get it stamped verifying it was received; that evening two charming Obama volunteers knocked on my burb door to ask about voting (I’ve canceled out my husband’s vote for years, but this year I’ve converted my sister in WA). What do I get from the Repugs? Nasty robocalls, the latest from Jolly Guili. Aargh-
asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN
Here’s a further link as to the clothing taxes. It now being out in the open, there likely won’t be the opportunity to go the loophole way!!! Plus the fact one of the lawyers commenting is an adviser to RePug candidates.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14840.html
lawyer Jan Baran, an adviser to several Republican candidates and committees, agreed with Gross, but added that the Palins may still be forced to comply with tax laws
“She might be able to offset some of the taxes by donating the items to charity after the campaign, Baran said, “although she will only be able to deduct the fair market value at that time.”
farmhouselady (21:45:38) :
oh, how i wish i could watch video’s! is there a transcript somewhere i could read?
out here in the hinterlands of northwesten pennsylvania, (pathetic) dialup is all there is.
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Try downloading the videos, then watch them ‘offline’. Dialup is too slow to watch online.
Chris certainly gets on a rant sometimes. Was good tho –
Can’t believe they spend that kind of money on CLOTHES
agreed that a three famlies could live on that for a year
Depending on where the families live – possibly 4
Bea,
I caught the last few minutes of Chris Matthews on Ferguson’s show tonight where they were talking about Palin having been on the show last year. At the time Ferguson was trying to become an honorary citizen of all small towns in America. Some Governors from other states had appeared and then they got a call from Palin’s office or PR person/office.
As Chris & Craig were finishing up their interview, Chris mentioned that Craig must have been part of the package!!) The package I gather refers to the $30,000 PR package.)
That’s when I went searching and it’s the only thing found.
A small request, no more rape jokes, please. Let’s not go down that road.
On a lighter note, well, kinda, I got a robo-call on my answering machine from the McCain camp. The guy was talking really quickly, so all I got was, “…John McCain campaign……Democrats and Obama….terrorists…..Democrats and Obama…..street gangs….Democrats and Obama……socialism……”
WTF? Whoever put me on the Republican calling/mailing list is on MY shit list!
@Bea (21:32:00) :
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You know (folksy), I did get a kick out of the illustrations and the commentary, but I also read Palin’s words, and ultimately got depressed. With all respect to the many thoughtful and articulate Alaskans on this blog, how did this woman ever get elected Governor of a whole state? She can’t speak in complete sentences.
It’s certainly not uncommon for politicians to try to answer interview questions with prepared bits of stump speeches, but most of them at least honor the rules of the game by providing some kind of coherent bridge between the actual question and the off-topic answer. Palin simply blurts out random pieces of buzz-phrases. Do you think that there are actually people who could read or hear this interview and think that she had said anything intelligible? I’m not talking about agreeing with her or not; just, can you even explain to me what she said?
And the questions…. This was the CNN “interview”, yes? Drew whatshisname (and I don’t care what his name is) should commit seppuku. He dishonored himself and his employer with this mockery of journalism.
This is where I get worried about the “fundies”
From Daily KOS Open Thread:
The common refrain at stores of even moderate decorum is no shirt, no shoes, no service. Well, a Virginia pharmacy has a far more insidious mantra: “No candy. No sodas. And no birth control.” According to the AP the Divine Mercy Care Pharmacy in Chantilly, Virginia is the seventh pharmacy in the United States to be certified as birth control free by the group Pharmacists for Life International, though they estimate “perhaps hundreds of other pharmacies have similar policies.”
So what’s the big deal, you may think, this pharmacy is in the D.C. area, competing against thousands of pharmacies that do dispense birth control. But, as former Planned Parenthood lawyer Roberta Riley points out, “in parts of Montana, women must drive 80 miles to find a pharmacy willing to sell contraception,” because so many pharmacists are practicing their “consciences.”
Hm. My post didn’t go through. Let’s try again.
First, a request. Please stop with the rape jokes. Let’s not go down that road.
I got a robo-call today on my answering machine. The guy was talking really quickly, so all I got was, “…..John McCain’s campaign…..need to know…. Democrats and Obama….terrorist…..Democrats and Obama…..street gangs…. Democrats and Obama……socialism.”
WTF? Huh? Whoever put me on the GOP calling/mailing list is on my bad side!
Hm. My post didn’t go through. Third time.
First, a request. Please stop with the rape jokes. Let’s not go down that road.
I got a robo-call today on my answering machine. The guy was talking really quickly, so all I got was, ” Mumble mumble John McCain’s campaign mumble mumble need to know mumble mumble Democrats and Obama mumble mumble terrorist mumble mumble Democrats and Obama mumble street gangs mumble mumble Democrats and Obama mumble mumble socialism.”
Huh? Whoever put me on the GOP calling/mailing list is on my bad side!
Ok. Let’s try a completely different post. I got a robo-call by a volunteer who was rattling it off so quickly, I couldn’t quite understand it. The gist of it was I needed to know about the Democrats, Obama, and terrorists, Democrats, Obama, and street gangs, Democrats, Obama, and socialism. I have no idea how I got on their list, but take me off!!
PS, no more rape jokes, please. Let’s not go down that road.
Wheeeeee! I am no longer a troll!
Night Mudpuppies —
Get some rest 12 more days to go !!!
Go Obama – Biden
Interview with Sarah Palin
Immigration, latino vote, Irak, Obama…
“Q. Do you think that we should talk about birth control with our teenage sons and daughters?
A. Yes. Use me as the example of why you should, even more admittedly. My daughter, of course she is 18 years old, but has really been forced to grow up very quickly now and starting her own family and you know, life has changed so quickly for her. And she is a good and responsible and a very kind hearted young strong woman, and she is going to be just fine. But if we can use this, and if my daughter Bristol can use her story as a kind of teaching tool for others, then so be it. Let us do that.”
http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?chid=3&schid=10414&secid=0&cid=1716304
I’ve seen a few different versions (I think 1 or 2 others) of Palin’s answering this question, starting out with ‘Just what does the VP do?’ before she was officially nominated, then in the debate, now this. She’s said the same things often enough to make me think that she would follow in Cheney’s footsteps and extend the job description of the VP to whichever of the three branches of government she sees fit. Matthews had good points and he should have gotten deeper into what has happened during Bush/Cheney and how the position needs to be redefined and reigned in.
I think the VP’s most important role is advisor to the President and then to take on projects assigned at the President’s discretion. The VP obviously has to be a senior staff member, in the loop if you will, and the President’s second when he is out of the country. I think Biden requested a weekly lunch meeting with Obama, something that Gore and Clinton did.
Unfortunately we see with Bush/Cheney that a weak and inexperienced chief executive gave carte blanche to the VP and his legal team, and of course some have argued they have reversed their roles. I haven’t read ‘Angler,’ waiting for it to come out in paperback. Apparently Cheney doesn’t have a lot of respect for W.
I would look at Obama/Biden as a way to redefine the VP to what is appropriate and necessary while maintaining the all-important principle of Separation of Powers. I have to agree with Nancy P. that I am sure the VP uses his relationships with legislators and justices to help the president’s policy agenda along. That’s the role of the executive office. However, allowing the VP to claim power in all branches of government was not the idea of the Founding Fathers, I don’t think.
It’s a difficult role, kind of ‘always a bridesmaid,’ I guess, but one with tremendous importance in terms of supporting the presidency, if nothing else.
Is Palin who we want in this role? Right.
To me, it’s clear from her interviews on this subject that she is by no means a strict Constitutionalist on this matter, and in fact wants more power for the position.
Suchanut: I remember the early 1990’s shimmying guitar strings up 2 stories of a bldg so I could hear 88.1 FM (www.radioontario.com/CKLN-88-1-FM
I remember in 1991 CKLN had a 24 hour fund drive on-air and I COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW GOOD THE MUSIC WAS (my aunt was the program director).
I had just gotten a Canadian Tire credit card with a limit of $5000, so I called CKLN and made so many donations to all radio the shows I liked – that I was hearing, based on picking up the radio signals, which was hard – using guitar strings taped up on my walls (before the internet as you and I know it) – (all the way from Toronto to Niagara Falls). Now, 13 years later I have a good job and good credit, and can give to the Obama campaign. I have budgeted $6000 for Obama. I still have about $1600 left to spend towards the Obama campaign, and I wish I had more, but that’s still alot of money. I challenge every professional making $35 000 or greater per year to donate $6000 to Obama’s campaign.
@Bea (21:32:00) :
Thanks – if was a masochist I would have enjoyed it more, but that woman is just incomprehensible. I found my brain just skimming over the surface of the bold text, unable to find a full stop that I could grab hold of so I could start trying to understand something again. I find listening to her has the same effect, but not only does it develop into a buzzing sound in my ears, my jaw also starts dropping until it finally hits the keyboard.
Why do Republican women all look like Stepford wives? Quite apart from my politics I’d never be a good Republican because I’d never manage to dress acceptably (sitting here in a dressing gown and with unbrushed hair).
How can you be a fixer when Sarah is the one making the messes? Nancy’s got a tough job. I can just hear her at the end of the day complaining to her husband on the phone from her hotel room, “Damn, that woman is a mess. If I have to try to cover for her incompetence over answering another softball question… I ought to be the VP candidate!”
What I find amazing is that SP gave the same answer to a 3rd grader as a reporter.
So was she talking down to the reporter ? ; )
The first video of her asking what does the VP do everyday could have been salvaged if she had said, “I meant day to day activities as assigned by the president- John McCain .” (JFK had little use for LBJ, but Cheney is very involved.)
pssst SP.
official duties
1: be ready to stand in for the president
2: preside over the senate and cast a tie breaking vote
3: certify the electoral college ballot
unofficial duties
presidential aide & adviser
surrogate and Representative for the president
trophy candidate for McCain
Reason for millions of prayers for the health of the president…
LMAO….you go Chris! It’s about time someone like Chris stands up to those straight face lying weezles like the Repugs and let the American pple know the truth that Repugs are so ignorant to tell the truth about Palin insteading of always having to defend her in every way.
@Hussein Canuck for Choice
There is a limit on how much a person can donate.
From the Obama website :An individual may contribute a maximum of $2,300 per election (the primary and general are separate elections). By submitting your contribution, you agree that $2,300 is designated for the general election.
McCain’s Rally fails to respect our countries symbol: The American Flag
http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/huge-american-flag-dumped-on-ground.html
More signs out tonight for Obama on my daily dog walking. It’s so nice to see the new ones pop up. I smile when I see them. Hope Abounds.
Don’t forget to vote soon! If you haven’t already.
First time I saw this today I stopped, poised mid stir, eyes gripped. The gravy charred and the rice boiled over.
All worth seeing the Pf-woman lose her smile.
I think she has intellectual deficiencies, no doubt. However, I don’t think the difference between “in charge of the Senate” and “presides over the Senate” is as significant as the separation of powers issue.
Separation of powers is fundamental to the Constitution. Her ignorance about the separation of powers came out more strongly in the VP debate. She was willing to follow Cheney’s logic that the VP exists in limboland between the executive branch and the legislative branch. That is where the interviewer needs to probe more fully. Matthews was overexcited and willing to interrupt his interviewee in the distasteful manner that O’Reilly interrupts everybody.
(I know there is visceral pleasure to witness this, but is this really who we are? Can we not remain civil and give people the space in which to respond?)
We all need to calm down and ask the more fundamental questions here–what about the separation of powers? And does the VP exist in two branches of government simultaneously? That is where she will reveal herself.
Dear SP… don’t forget your Christian Values:
$150,000.00 @ $1.86 a meal buys 80,645 Meals at the downtown shelter for the homeless for Thanksgiving.
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein “That One” Cobra (23:02:38) :
Why do Republican women all look like Stepford wives?
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How about the Repub CongressMen? Helmet hair, slicked with some substance possessing an aroma that reeks out of the TV.
not your pal Palin (23:23:24) :
Separation of powers is fundamental to the Constitution. Her ignorance about the separation of powers came out more strongly in the VP
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I’m not so sure it is ignorance. Might be she doesn’t believe in seperation of church and state. Wouldn’t be too far fetched given what we have seen of her own church involvement on the Pastor Murthee video for example and – also – Palin’s religious views definitely inform her policy positions.
I think I’m going to enjoy coming here even more after the lovely Ms. Palin returns from her disastrous American Tour 2008. How will the politicians of Alaska treat her when she comes home? How will her poll numbers with the real Americans of Alaska be and can she win back those she has lost. Will all of her ‘gates’ be pursued further or will they die on the vine since she’s back to squash things?
Yep, more so than her escapades in the Lower 48 I’m looking for all of the fun and hiliarity of “Sarah Returns 2008”. I sincerely hope that people like Les Gara (hope I spelled that correctly off the top of my head) continue to hold her accountable and there’s no well she’s back let’s go back to the way things were mode. I’m leaning towards that things aren’t going to be the way they were for Ms. Palin and that she’s got a ton of explaining to do concerning her misuse of Alaskan tax payer dollars. Or at least I hope they are because I believe the people of Alaska deserve more than Sarahtodd Palin and her band of fellow grifters.
Good morning all from France – I see that I have missed a lot, so I must catch up.
First to KAS – congrats on your son voting for the first time. This was also the first Presidential vote for my 2 sons and carrying our 3 absentee ballots to the post office I felt so like a “Mama Poule” as they say here – a proud mother hen!
A deep thrill ran through my body as I watched this video – I have been wanting to rip Nancy Pf’s face off for months every time I watch her on Larry King – her and all of the other grinning Stepford Wife Republican women (I have been calling them that for months). The lies they spew through those glow-in-the-dark capped teeth is sickening. But Catherine Howard wondered how Nancy Pf could actually be a senior advisor for the McCain campaign – think about it, it makes perfect sense. He surrounds himself with Stepford Barbie women – Cindy, Nancy, Michelle B and now Palin! He loves it. Must feel like Charlie surrounded by his Angels!
I too am tired of seeing those kids following Palin around. Enough. It gets to look so unprofessional! And speaking of McCain’s Freudian slip yesterday – you don’t let slip out a word like that unless you are so used to saying it that it is on the tip of your tongue.
And the excuse for Palin being that she was explaining to a third grader – she speaks just like that at her rallies and she spoke like that at the debate. Cutesy, condescending like we are all third graders, blinded by her greatness and beauty and flirty behavior that we will lap up everything that she says. And she must have been at an away game the day they discussed the VPs duties during her high school civics class.
Nancy Pfartsmeller has 5 kids ?!?!?!?!
Somebody actually slept with her THAT many times !?!?!?!?!?
WOW !
Whoever that guy is – I feel for him. Imagine coming home to her every night after work.
(as I typed shivers went up my spine)
Tired Mom (VA) (21:20:56) :
So who is paying for Piper, Willow, Trig and Toad to travel with her all over the place now? The RNC or the State? Does she really need the kids in the background of her speaches?
Looking at the pictures that have Willow in them, I’d hope that one reason to drag HER along would be to keep her from following Bristol on the baby-making path. She sure loves to pose… and she looks like she really enjoys showing off in the lime light… and she’s right up there with Bristol and their mother in the boobs-in-tight-tops department. She doesn’t look like she’d split her time between school and church activities if she was “home alone”.
Jane
Thanks for the video, I saw it but I thought the election voting ballot won’t end until Nov 4th so I’m not understanding the video. Can you and anyone explain to me more about the story?
Thank you!
CHAOS Citizens hanging around Obama sign in Oregon…now has a password on the site…bummer…really hooked on checking on it several times a day!
Anyone know what happened…TX
White Agate:
To me, it’s clear from her interviews on this subject that she is by no means a strict Constitutionalist on this matter, and in fact wants more power for the position.
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Palin is Power Hungry. Driven. Ambitious. And promoted herself, seeking a national position. And as empty as W. Seen the movie yet? Daily show called her SheBush. Appropriate.
Just read this excerpt from her interview with Williams re: her medical records which she is now happy to release :
““If that will allow some curiosity seekers, perhaps, to have one more thing that they can either check the box off, that they can find something to criticize, perhaps, or to rest them assured over, fine,” Ms. Palin said. “I’m healthy, happy. I’ve had five kids; that’s going to be in the medical records.”
The fact that she stressed the fact that the records will SHOW that she has had five kids means that she has had time to have her records ALTERED. Just like she tried to do with the kids travel expenses. Will it be possible to tell if the records have been rewritten or altered in some way?
Tired Mom (VA) (21:20:56) :
So who is paying for Piper, Willow, Trig and Toad to travel with her all over the place now? The RNC or the State? Does she really need the kids in the background of her speaches?
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Heard David Gurgen (sp) say that family travelling with candidate and covered by campaign is legit and typical.
Denise,
I have to agree–it is likely a willful ignorance because she doesn’t respect the separation of powers or the wall of separation of church and state. The Constitution seems to be a vigilant effort to divide power and keep it from becoming self-corrupting. Palin would prefer that power is in one pot and we would all trust her.
All that being said, I don’t think she’s read the Constitution, and I don’t think she’s interested.
Jamie, Floridian in France (23:42:03):
I caught that too. Todd (NBC commentator–not Palin) said her statement surprised campaign. They weren’t expecting it. So, yeah. All knew there was something to hide. Means whatever it was has been fixed/fordged/fudged.
not your pal Palin (23:46:54) :
I don’t think she’s read the Constitution, and I don’t think she’s interested.
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Not a lick of intellectual curiosity. Arrogant. Believes HerWay/God’sWay is THE right way. That faith over facts thang. No wonder Bush’s base supports Palin.
farmhouselady (21:45:38) :
oh, how i wish i could watch video’s! is there a transcript somewhere i could read?
out here in the hinterlands of northwesten pennsylvania, (pathetic) dialup is all there is.
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From MSNBC Chris Matthews Show
“Transcripts will be available within 24 hours of airing, except for Friday shows, which will be available every Monday by 3 p.m. ET.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
Didn’t I read somewhere (over a month ago) that Palin’s doctor is pretty much in her pocket – the one who supposedly delivered Trig who isn’t obs/gyn. I guess if you do want to cover things up then having willing helpers is a good thing.
I just don’t understand why anyone allows her to take so long getting things out – you want to be VP? Yes? Good, then give us your tax returns and medical records. The Republicans – or maybe just the McCain campaign, seem to be a bunch of people who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.
Just testing something…
Ira, where’d your picture go?
…and testing again…
Constitution? Who reads that silly old thing?
In Bachmann/Palin world, all you need is the Bible to properly govern… anything else is just rubbish.
On a side note: seriously, the McCain campaign is making Matthews/Olbermann/Maddow/Mudflats/lefty bloggers in general job’s just waaaay too easy.
I mean, we’re not even breaking a sweat… the material writes itself.
http://thehedonistperspective.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/as-my-partner-would-say-oy/
That’s what I was trying to find out, along with the blog link thing. If I’m logged out, I get the quilt square picture and the active blog link with my name. When I’m logged in, I get the wordpress avatar and no link. How odd!
Jane,
Nevermind, I just notice the date on that video. I get it now, it was a clip showing the future of Obama loosing if we don’t go out and vote lol.
Okay – Cathy Baldwin-Johnson is Palin’s doctor (possibly also personal friend). Appointed to the Alaska Health Care Strategies Council by Sarah Palin in 2007. Delivered Trig at a hospital of which she is not a staff member.
This is all Babygate stuff [http://www.palindeception.com/subpages/subpage12.html]. I am deeply suspicious about how geniune Palin’s medical records will be. If there’s nothing wrong, why wait? And who better to help than your personal doctor/friend?
Oh, now I sound like I should be wearing a tinfoil hat. Back to work.
@Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca (23:48:15) : and
@A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein “That One” Cobra (00:03:04) :
“Didn’t I read somewhere (over a month ago) that Palin’s doctor is pretty much in her pocket – the one who supposedly delivered Trig who isn’t obs/gyn. I guess if you do want to cover things up then having willing helpers is a good thing.”
Exactly. This one vouched for her on the “my water was leaking but I gave a speech then flew and drove 12 hours to a tiny clinic so my doctor who is neither ob nor gyn could deliver my child.”
I absolutely love this site. Your first three sentences were an absolutely perfect encapsulation of Chris Matthews’ “technique.” I will probably never get the image out of my mind.
I’ve already seen that first video and wasn’t too impressed, but the second is just quality… The problem is how you get the other person to shut up on air like that, but yelling over them is better than forcibly cutting them off I suppose.
…those kids ….on the campaign trail MUST be getting pretty cranky by now.
How long has it been ?….2 months of moving almost daily, living out of a suitcase….not to mention living on quick meals and fast food.
A couple of years ago I went to USA for a month to attend 3 conventions. I travelled around in hire cars and by plane. I lived in hotels & motels for the entire time (‘cept a few days spent with friends in SC)….it was a real schlepp….exhausting… and by the end I got pretty cranky….and I was all grown up.
Those poor kids… they need to go home.
Sarah Palin could have a complete physical – like Obama – and release that.
And spoil everyone’s fun. 😉
Georgette Mosbacher??!!! Pancake makeup and helmet hair and too much shiny lipstick. I am watching last night’s Larry King Live and is this one another Republican winner!! She is throwing the word “elite” into every sentence (as in how “Michelle Obama’s clothes are made by appointment-only designer Maria Pinto, how elitist is that?” and “Her answer about the VP’s duty was plain talk, maybe it wasn’t elitist talk”). Where do they dig up these women?
“Pulling a Bulworth”…
Courtesy Hardball and Wiki…
… is when a candidate starts saying what’s on his mind, not caring what the public, media, or special interests think.
It’s a reference to the movie “Bulworth” starring Warren Beatty. Bulworth is a senator running for re-election. Knowing that he is going to die in a few days, Bulworth stops caring what people think. He stops catering to special interests and starts saying what he actually believes. Although he often says offensive or politically incorrect things, it causes him to rise in the polls.
Are we there yet Mommy? … Grandpa?
@ Aussie
Wouldn’t it just? I could admit to a tiny twinge of disappointment if she did that…
Still, it looks dubious as to whether she actually will release them if you read the transcript:
[http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/22/palin_may_release_medical_reco.html?hpid=sec-politics]
@Jamie, Floridian in France (01:14:55) :
>>>Georgette Mosbacher??!!! >>>
Jamie, it is on here in Australia as well !
When I saw that ‘stepford-ite’ I nearly puked….ewwwww. I ran to my computer and googled her. She is (according to Wiki) “the CEO of Borghese, a cosmetics manufacturer based in New York City, and a fundraiser for the United States Republican Party”
What a piece of work !
Jamie, Floridian in France (01:14:55) :
Georgette Mosbacher??!!!
Another German or Austrian name, too. Goes with Bachmann and Pfotenhauer and who else again? Man… where DO they dig them up?
To translate: Mos isn’t really a word, but might be a shortened version of “Moos” which means moss. “Bach” means creek. I’d translate it as Mosscreeker :o)
As we hear a day’s worth of almost idiocy regarding McCain’s choice of running mate, another quietly, but with great heart, passion, and effectiveness, continues to move crowds and encourage support for Obama. Love you Joe.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYI5UQWvIChI&refer=home
“Biden Is Team Obama’s `Mr. October’ in Final Weeks of Election ”
Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) — Joe Biden is the Reggie Jackson of presidential politics this year.
Jackson is the Hall of Fame baseball player who was known as “Mr. October” for always delivering for his teams when the stakes were highest, during the World Series played in that month.
When presidential candidate Barack Obama chose the Delaware senator as his running mate in August, it was viewed as a conventional pick that did little to energize the Democratic Party. In the last six weeks, Biden, 65, has emerged as one of campaign’s greatest strengths.
It’s a contrast from previous Democratic vice presidential picks, including Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman in 2000 and North Carolina Senator John Edwards in 2004, who initially excited Democrats only to lose steam in the final weeks of the campaign.
Biden “is a huge asset,” said Tad Devine, a Democratic media consultant who advised both Al Gore and John Kerry during their presidential runs in 2000 and 2004.
The polls tell the story. With Election Day less than two weeks away, Biden is viewed favorably by 60 percent of the electorate, according to an Oct. 21 survey by the Washington- based Pew Research Center. That compares with a 44 percent approval rating for his Republican rival, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.
Better Prepared
In an Oct. 15 Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll, 76 percent of registered voters said they believed Biden was prepared to be president, compared with 43 percent who said the same about Palin, 44.
For all his appeal, Biden still shows a penchant for putting his foot in his mouth. The campaign of Republican nominee John McCain criticized him this week for saying some world leaders may want to test Obama in the first six months of his presidency. Republicans jumped on the comment as evidence that Obama’s lack of experience would invite challenges from abroad.
There have been other faux-pas. In early September, shortly after he was nominated, Biden said a fellow contender for the Democratic nomination, New York Senator Hillary Clinton, “is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America.” More recently, he was mocked for asking a wheelchair-bound Missouri politician to “stand up” at a rally.
Fundraising
The gaffes, however, have been largely erased by Biden’s success on the campaign trail. In a three-day swing through Western states last weekend, he attracted large crowds and was a draw at a series of fundraisers that brought in $8 million, almost as much as he raised during his entire presidential bid.
The highlight of Biden’s trip to the West Coast was a rally at the home field of the Tacoma Rainiers, a minor-league baseball team in Tacoma, Washington, where he was greeted by about 12,000 supporters chanting, “Joe, Joe, Joe.”
Biden, with his 36 years in the Senate, decades of foreign- policy experience and working-class roots, is viewed by many supporters as a balance to a ticket headed by the nation’s first black presidential nominee, first-term Illinois Senator Obama, a Harvard Law School graduate who has been criticized for being too cerebral and aloof.
`Experience and Clout’
Biden “brings a lot of experience and clout to the world stage,” said Douglas Mapes, 32, an Obama supporter and part-time student in Bremerton, Washington, who voted Republican in the last three presidential elections and was president of his Young Republican Club in high school. “With the addition of Joe Biden on the ticket, it helped push me along.”
Biden also has taken on the traditional vice-presidential candidate role of attack dog, delivering the Obama campaign’s responses to the Republican camp’s criticism. In California, Nevada, New Mexico and Washington last weekend, he attacked Palin for telling an audience in North Carolina that she enjoyed visiting “pro-America” parts of the country.
“I have never been to a state that hasn’t sent its sons and daughters to serve and die for this country,” Biden said during a stop in Mesilla, New Mexico.
Biden pointed out that his son, Beau, was 50 miles away at Fort Bliss in El Paso, Texas, training on live-fire gun ranges.
Beau Biden, 39, a captain in Delaware’s National Guard and the state’s attorney general, is preparing for a one-year deployment to Iraq. Palin’s son, Track, is also being deployed to Iraq with an Army unit.
Service Members
The response to Palin’s remarks was quickly added to Biden’s stump speech. At stops in Nevada and Washington, he made a point of listing how many people from each state had served in Iraq and Afghanistan and how many had died.
“It doesn’t matter where you live, we all love our country,” he said.
Biden also has emerged as one of the campaign’s most active press spokesmen. While Palin’s exposure to the media has been minimal, the Democrat has given more than 140 interviews since he was chosen by Obama on Aug. 23, according to his spokesman, David Wade.
In Mesilla, he took questions from CNN and Albuquerque TV stations and conducted phone interviews with three New Mexico newspapers. The next day, he gave interviews to TV stations in Wisconsin, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada.
Working-Class Roots
On the stump, Biden emphasizes both his long career in Washington and his working-class roots in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
During a campaign stop in Henderson, Nevada, an area heavily dependent on construction and service jobs in nearby Las Vegas, Biden cautioned against overconfidence in the closing weeks of the campaign.
“We cannot be complacent about this, man,” Biden said, warning Republicans would ratchet up the negative campaigning against Obama, 47. “They are going off to get the bathroom sink.”
In a moment of self-congratulation over the weekend, Biden told donors he had helped Obama secure a sizable lead in Pennsylvania. “I take no little credit for turning that around,” he said.
And an Oct. 14 poll by Muhlenberg College’s Institute of Public Opinion in Allentown showed Biden is viewed favorably by 54 percent of registered voters in Pennsylvania, compared with 52 percent for Obama.
Devine said there is a reason Biden is so effective: “He enjoys campaigning.”
@ ira2 (01:26:36) :
>>>Mosscreeker >>>
LOL…another palin name for sure ! 🙂
@ Zim in Oz (01:29:47) :
Yeah, no kidding! Creekman, Pawchopper and Mosscreeker. So, does Mosscreeker look like the other two?
@ Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca (23:57:43) :
ah, the pleasures of living in ‘the third world’!
national spending priorities and all that…
had you considered getting internet over your cell phone?
works here in ‘Old Europe’!
ira…..>>>does Mosscreeker look like the other two? >>>>
LOL
nooooo….yes…maybe….also….hmmmmm ?
Clones ? ….perhaps with different paint and wigs !
Same dolls, just different outfits and packaging. 😉
Good morning . . . a bit of fun from TPM:
http://tinyurl.com/68a2h2
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GRRRRLS NEED CLOTHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 22, 2008, 6:14PM
OMG!!!! i don’t know what the big deal is about sarah spending lots of money on clothes! grrrrls like sarah and me need clothes b/c we totally have to look hot to be popular. like last year my EX-friend cara nut was running for homecoming queen but then she wore this totally slutty miniskirt with ripped fishnets and then everyone said she was a slut and she lost to jenny weiner who’s like a total cow. and then no one was friends with her anymore and she was like in social siberia (that’s where governor putin lives next to alaska, i looked it up!!!!!). when i run for homecoming queen next year, i’m totally going to max out my credit cards b/c i have to win for my political career. i know i promised to cut up my credit cards when i did my live debate blogging and sarah said that we can’t live outside our means or whatever because the country is depressed. but i’m not a hippocrit because that was before i remembered that i had to be the homecoming queen next year!
besides, sarah already saved the country lots and lots of money because she sold her airplane and she cooks all the food for her family and she gave back a bridge to the government that cost like a million dollars, so i think it’s totally cool for her to spend some money that she saved on nice stuff. besides, americans will never vote for her if she looks like trailer trash because everyone knows that even tho u have to pretend to not be rich to be the vice president, you still have to have class like sarah does. and u totally can’t have class if u shop at walmart. and besides, i remember that some democrat dude got a really expensive haircut and nobody gave a care even though he’s a dude. since sarah is a grrrrl, she should get to spend like a hundred times more than him b/c it’s more expensive for grrrrls.
so that means that all u LOSERS should LEAVE SARAH ALONE!!!!!!! u just wish that u could be her b/c she’s so much cooler, but u can never be her b/c u probably shop at walmart and wear the ugliest clothes EVERRRRRRR!!!!
GOOOOOOOOO SARAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS you totally have to check out my SARAH PALIN TRIBUTE PAGE. i have all her interviews plus tina fey (I LOVE U TINA!!!!!!!) and plus lots of songs all about sarah!!!!!!!
@Zim in Oz :
It is so great thinking that I am watching the same show on tv as someone on the other side of the world and who is posting here!
@Isle of Man Palin (01:54:47) :
HYSTERICAL!!!! And so on!
@ Jamie, Floridian in France (23:36:23) :
“He surrounds himself with Stepford Barbie women – Cindy, Nancy, Michelle B and now Palin! He loves it. Must feel like Charlie surrounded by his Angels!”
… sounds more [and looks ever more] like a wannabe Hugh Heffner, maybe he can’t get not only his arms up, but…
@ Hussein Canuck for Choice (22:58:30) :
please tread lightly here. If you ARE Canadian your contributions are illegal and could become repug ‘fodder’ to attack us!
That said… you can probably do a greater good now with your money at ‘Red to Blue’ in support of ‘down-ticket’ races. Sorry I do not have the exact reference but you’ll find it at kos.com.
yes you can!
@megacephalus (02:03:44) :
Hugh Hefner! Yes! How is SP keeping him away from Bristol’s (excuse my French) knockers? Maybe that’s why Bristol was sent home.
Switch threads …
COULD THIS BE THE SORT OF MISINFORMATION SHE DOLES OUT TO HER CHILDREN…….????? This is what happens when children aren’t given the facts…
OBAMA 08
Nancy Pf. has an agenda………she is a HIGHLY paid lobbyist for the finance industry……..her husband is the president of THE Mortgage Bankers of America……he was on the stage when the woman tried to do the citizens arrest on Rove……this woman would take a public flogging to keep the GOP in charge………she is the excrement of the single cell amoeba that lives on the bottom of the pond of scum……..BTW…….that citizen should Tasered Rove………then cuffed him !!
Nancy Pfotenhauer must regret her job choice hundreds of times a day.
Ths sad thing is people like Palin homeschool their children and fill their heads with incorrect information like this. Before we slip further down the list of educated nations it’s time to look at this homeschooling craze and put an end to it.
I’m sure there are legitimate reasons for some people to do so and equally parents who are skilled and educated enough to teach their children. I don’t want to condemn the whole practice but I’m seriously beginning to question it except for a few valid reasons.
Brit Abroad asked
Why do Republican women all look like Stepford wives?
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They don’t.
Check out Karen Hughes some day when she’s on one of Larry King’s panels.
I am watching Morning
Sorry, hit the wrong button…watching Morning Joe probably for the last time. They looove SP and I guess Mikah (sp?) was hit hard for supporting the $150k shopping spree yesterday- apparently 8000 negative e mails! and so she is in a pissy mood.
The video with Kevin James is hilarious!! Thanks for the entertainment. It is funny, but at the same time, painful to watch James implode. What a hoot!!
If you don’t know what your talking about. I would suggest you not go on the Chris Mathew’s show. He will eat you alive!!! When you see his lips tighten up…. Your doomed, doomed I tell ya!
As a Rep and now Dem,, there is no way in hell I’d ever vote McCain-Palin in office, this woman is truely f-ing CLUELESS as to what goes on in Washington DC, let me say that again, f-ing CLUELESS, she can take her $150,000 clothing and pay someones mortgage because where I’m from,, minus 20 thousand jobs this year in our state,, most people can’t even afford a pair of $20 shoes from Walmart. If you think we are permitting THAT in our oval office, think again. Every Rep I know here has switched to Obama and Biden for the right reasons. As far as I’m concerned, she can take those red shoes, click her heels together and say; ” there’s no place like home” we do NOT want her in the lower 48.
to Bec Hussein in Illinois (22:02:00) , thanks for the Gov hygiene info! I was sure it was on this site but, hey, it was late! Still the dilemma? To share or not to share!
Appreciate your diligence! Have a great day.
I decided to stop watching Morning Joe this morning for good. 10/23/08 I hope most of you join me.
I had not seen the Kevin James video. That is just the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.
LOL Too funny! Entertainment Tonight interviewed Arnold S (terminator) and asked him if he thought P would make a good VP, was she ready to be THE Pres., did she now know the job descriptions? His answers included statements like “…she has the intelligence, the drive and the ability to learn….”
Then why has no-one yet told her what the VP does? Why has she not yet asked anyone? Does anyone over in the repug camp really know ther answer?
Arnold, do you really think she can LEARN? Those positions do not offer on the job training!
I have never been able to watch a “Morning Joe” show from beginning to end. When I do watch it, I always end up getting annoyed and turning to another channel or giving up entirely.
Poor superior Nancy Poof reminds me of Maleficent. Remember her? Here she is:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Maleficent.jpg
What would Palin be doing as VP in a McCain administration? Shopping at Neiman Marcus and Saks, of course! Stop with all this Constitution mumbo jumbo, already!
Today is the day I’ve been waiting for. The polls are HUGE today for Obama.
From Battleground/Big 10
Ohio +12
Pennsylvania +11
Michigan +22
Wisconsin +13
Iowa +13
Indiana +10
Illinois +29
and from Quinipiac
Ohio +14
Pennsylvania +11
Florida +5
Even Reuters/Zogby came in with a +12 landslide
Get the champagne chilled!!!!
I admit that sometimes I get a tad bit annoyed at Chris when he talks over or interrupts his “guests” I want to hear them hang themselves … Keith O and Rachel M are more to my taste … but when I watched this I actually hugged my tv… feel the love Chris.. feel the love!
McCain-Palin are
toast. This thing so over
and they’re idiots.
http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/october-23-2008/
Tom from PA,
Huge numbers indeed, but let’s not get overconfident. Let’s continue to work as if we were 20 points down. We have not seen the last of the dirty tricks from McCain.
That being said, the bottle is way in the back of the fridge. I’m uncorking it late Nov 4, hopefully with great joy.
You are so spot-on about Chris Matthews! Love the monkey with a gun analogy! Bottom line with Mrs. Palin is ~ she’s a narcisstic idiot. Doesn’t know anything, doesn’t want to learn anything. It’s all about her. John McCain is an afterthought.
[…] Chris Matthews Eviscerates Nancy Pfotenhauer. Posted on October 23, 2008 by gregornot Chris Matthews Eviscerates Nancy Pfotenhauer. […]
You made my morning with this one.
I still maintain that the people that are supposed to be “training” her are phoning it in, perhaps because they know it’s a lost cause due to her utter stupidity and inability to retain basic facts.
I was totally waiting for Tweety (CM’s pet name on Wonkette) to make Nancy start to cry. This was so good I watched it again at 7pm.
Yes, he can be nutty (and I was not thrilled by the way he treated HRC earlier this year) but once or twice an election cycle he comes through. Remember Zell Miller? A teevee classic for the ages.
The Pfotenhauer clip was almost uncomfortable to watch all the way through! I just wish the McCain-Palin supporters would get their heads out of the sand. Enough with the “she is filled with the Holy Spirit” or “the VP is inconsequential” excuses! Just admit that Palin was a poor political choice! (Though I think hell will freeze over the day Pfotenhauer and any of the other GOP strategists actually admit this.)
Boy, this was pretty devastating.
I don’t remember the constitutional role of the Vice President coming up in past elections in quite this much detail. History wonks should note, though, that the first Vice President (John Adams) really DID try to play the role Palin suggests, physically presiding over the Senate, successfully arm-twisting senators to vote against legislation he didn’t like, and casting what is still the record number of tie-breaking votes.
Adams ended up thoroughly frustrated by the office but one wonders how much of that was due to the constitutional role and how much to his own rather difficult personality. After Adams, the vice president only played a very minor role in the U.S. government, though I understand the office of President of the Senate is actually very powerful in some countries (e.g., France).
It would be quite interesting to see what would happen if a Vice President tried to play Adams’ role in the Senate. I don’t see anything in the Constitution that would actually prevent that from happening. Even the role of the Vice President as successor to the President wasn’t clarified until Tyler took over after the death of Harrison.
That was fun.
Well I still haven’t quite figured out the html on this … my previous post was supposed to quote:
shoeho (06:57:40) :
I was totally waiting for Tweety (CM’s pet name on Wonkette) to make Nancy start to cry. This was so good I watched it again at 7pm.
Not to change the subject but here in Chicago, we are being told that the election night rally for the Obama campaign will be held in Grant Park so that anyone who wants to attend, can. For those who remember 1968, Grant Park was the site of the riots that happened here during the Democratic convention. What a fitting place to celebrate if Obama wins the Presidency.
Grant Park and surrounding area, can hold upwards of a million people. I imagine it will be full and I will be in attendance as will my kids for this historic event.
Go Obama/Biden!
How do ya’ll like my FULL SP name? hehehe
I agree; granted the numbers are looking good, we should not be counting chickens yet. We can’t let down our guard until ALL the votes have been counted (several times).
We already know how under handed and low the repugs will go to win an election.
plwalsh (07:21:37) :,
That is a good point that goes directly to why the VP’s role was reduced. Adams was soundly rebuffed by founders who clearly understood the importance of honoring the system of checks and balances they had painstakingly set up, mainly because one of Adams’ first attempts at influencing the legislative branch was a act declaring that the president be referred to as “his royal highness.” He clearly had some strong ideas about the imperial role of the executive that didn’t set well with the majority. It is an interesting point that you bring up, though. Had Adams not managed to alienate the Senate early on, would we have a very different looking arrangement now? I tend to think not–the legislative branch seemed to be very aware and protective of its role almost immediately, but it is hard to say.
Palin has made this assertion about the VP being ‘in charge’ of the Senate on at least three separate occasions. If the campaign thought it was a problem, they would have corrected it. I think that, instead of looking at it like she is simply not educated, we should be clear that she is giving us advance notice of her intentions. There is a movement among some neocons to have the VP’s office become a ‘co-presidency’ with control over the legislative branch. Remember these guys are all in favor of unlimited executive authority and they have significantly altered the interaction and the checks and balances system already. Cheney tried, unsuccessfully, to make his case that the veeps office was both executive and legislative. That wasn’t just political maneuvering to exempt him from testifying–it’s what he actually would like to be the case. I think Palin is simply being indoctrinated to this position.
It goes without saying that having the veep be ‘in charge’ of the legislative branch would pretty much nullify the ability of that branch to be an effective check on unlimited executive authority. Palin has demonstrated in her ‘vast’ governing experience that she does indeed believe the executive has unlimited authority and is not beholden to rules or laws. If McCain is elected, I think the only hope we would have of keeping her in line is a Democratic majority in both houses that would rebuff her attempts to meddle.
@Mrs. Polly, “lolloping around like a half-grown golden retriever”! Priceless phrase!! Thanks for getting my morning started with a laugh! ;-D
I have watched Chris for some time now, getting more and more exasperated with the more outlandish of the lunatic fringe in this campaign. But he always – ALWAYS – gives the poor schnooks a chance to redeem themselves. They never take him up on the offer! So no wonder a**es like Bachmann wind up believing they’ve been “tricked”!
All this, in the age of YouTube!
“like a monkey with a gun” — This *SO* perfectly captures my feelings about Matthews.
I was watching another segment from the same show, with Michelle Bernard and Joan Walsh, and Matthews was in prime (Matthews) form… unable to guide the discussion in a linear, connected fashion.
Chris Matthews is fed up, he must be terrified of a Palin presidency, now I’m even more frightened.
These idiots don’t even understand about the seperation of powers, checks and balances and the damage Bush/Cheney have already done. The FUNDAMENTAL (a word I know they love) reason the US WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regi (08:19:55) :
These idiots don’t even understand about the seperation of powers, checks and balances and the damage Bush/Cheney have already done. The FUNDAMENTAL (a word I know they love) reason the US WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think they do understand ‘separation of powers, checks and balances’ and I do not think they look at what Bush/Cheney has already done as ‘damage’.
I think they completely understand and want to move us even further away from the constitution and our constitutional rights. POWER and WEALTH has been the driving force behind all the corruption we have seen these past few years. Why should a different HEAD in the same PARTY be any different?
I agree with Michelle and plwalsh when they said …………….
Michele (07:52:18) :
plwalsh (07:21:37) :,
……….Palin has made this assertion about the VP being ‘in charge’ of the Senate on at least three separate occasions. If the campaign thought it was a problem, they would have corrected it. I think that, instead of looking at it like she is simply not educated, we should be clear that she is giving us ad***** notice of her intentions. There is a movement among some neocons to have the VP’s office become a ‘co-presidency’ with control over the legislative branch. Remember these guys are all in favor of unlimited executive authority and they have significantly altered the interaction and the checks and balances system already……………
think they do understand ’separation of powers, checks and balances’ and I do not think they look at what Bush/Cheney has already done as ‘damage’.
OH, I totally believe Bush/Cheney do, but not people like Pfotenhpousrogher or Palin. I honestly believe they’re just shills and don’t have a clue the damage they’re doing to this country.
Hey, I’m an Obama supporter, and no lover of what the republicans are doing right now, but WHY on God’s green earth does Chris Matthews invite people to be on his show is he’s not going to let them talk. His interrupting makes me nuts. Why not just put a mirror in front of him and let him talk to himself….anticipating what he’s going to say “wrong” to himself and let him fire back a contradiction. He sounds like the screamers on the republican side who make me nuts too.
@ Deb,
What do you thing of McCain doubling the child credit? That’s how people who don’t earn enough to pay taxes end up with tax refunds without actually paying taxes. Guess you’re just fine with McCain doing it but NOT Obama? You make 30K a year, take the standard deduction, you took some college classes, raising a couple of kids, maybe took care of an elderly parent, whatever. So now you’re going to see a few hundred back from the government even though the standard deduction took care of any federal income taxes you paid. So what? Those same people have paid the same sales taxes, state taxes, excise taxes the wealthier citizens have and probably at much great cost to their food and other essentials budgets. Both McCain and Obama understand that.
I think we have a Troll in our midst……
Jane in Ohio (08:43:27) :
Hey, I’m an Obama supporter, and no lover of what the republicans are doing right now, but WHY on God’s green earth does Chris Matthews invite people to be on his show is he’s not going to let them talk. His interrupting makes me nuts. Why not just put a mirror in front of him and let him talk to himself….anticipating what he’s going to say “wrong” to himself and let him fire back a contradiction. He sounds like the screamers on the republican side who make me nuts too.
Because Matthews doesn’t have an ounce of patience for talking points, distraction, straw men, and all those cute debate terms people love to throw around nowadays. Personally I’d love to seem more of it, get the air heads off the air !
Jane in Ohio,
I agree. That is the reason that I rarely watch Matthews. It’s just plain bad manners and it drives me nuts, too. He also doesn’t seem to understand the time delay with satellite communications and doesn’t give the guest enough time to hear and respond to one question before he’s off on something else. I think he’s got ADD or something.
Regi (08:49:45) :
Matthew’s was a major supporter of Bush talking points and he carried a lot of water for the Bushies in 2000 and 2004. I don’t think he’s partisan as much as he is a bit too much of an adoring fan and buys into political narratives at times. He was absolutely in love with Bush in the fighter pilot uniform on the deck of a carrier pronouncing “mission accomplished,” and nearly admitted his mancrush on air. I agree that he has gotten sick of Republican talking points, but it took him a long time to reach this point
Michele (08:54:51) :
Regi (08:49:45) :
Matthew’s was a major supporter of Bush talking points and he carried a lot of water for the Bushies in 2000 and 2004. I don’t think he’s partisan as much as he is a bit too much of an adoring fan and buys into political narratives at times. He was absolutely in love with Bush in the fighter pilot uniform on the deck of a carrier pronouncing “mission accomplished,” and nearly admitted his mancrush on air. I agree that he has gotten sick of Republican talking points, but it took him a long time to reach this point
I know. He’s a true Conservative at heart, which just goes to show how freaking much Palin scares thinking people.
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein (22:50:02) :
re: univision interview
Do you think the reason that the interview on a spanish language website remains untranslated is because it is UNTRANSLATABLE?
@ Michele
Off topic. I love your blog but had to sign up for something to comment on it. So shout out here, I did it before but some of my comments don’t seem to post.
have watched Chris for some time now, getting more and more exasperated with the more outlandish of the lunatic fringe in this campaign. But he always – ALWAYS – gives the poor schnooks a chance to redeem themselves. They never take him up on the offer! So no wonder a**es like Bachmann wind up believing they’ve been “tricked
I have to ditto Joan here, she said better than I would have. I would’ve just said about damn time some spittle was spewed intelligently, rather than O’Reilly like.
White Agate (22:53:07) :
“I have to agree with Nancy P. that I am sure the VP uses his relationships with legislators and justices to help the president’s policy agenda along. ”
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Absolutely. So who would we rather have? A senator with years of experience (and respect) from his colleague, who has actually helped to vet many of those judges, or a governor who probably hasn’t even met most of them yet (and certainly none of the Democratic senators )?
“colleagues” plural
kas (from Oregon) (20:21:41) :
Got it Jane and have sent it to people I know will send it on.
My NEWLY REGISTERED 18 year old son – who delivered his ballot to the county today – got a call specifically asking for him. It was an Obama Volunteer asking if he had voted.
Walk those ballots in Fellow Oregonians!!
Been there and done that. I turned mine in on Sunday, after receiving it in Saturday’s mail. The lady at the library said there has been a constant stream of people dropping off their ballots since noon on Saturday. She also told me that she has never seen anything like it on the first and second day after receiving their ballots. Finally, she said most people had a really big smile on their face after dropping off their ballots.
Regi,
No problem with double child credit (parent is working) and no problem at all even sending checks to poor b/c of difficult times – just call it for what it is. The problem is PRETENDING it’s a tax cut or rebate the way Obama is, it’s a handout.
I wish the commentators – whether Democratic or Republican would pretend to look at both sides and give fair assessment (knowing they’ll “lean” one way or other is fine – but what’s occurred during this election is terrible. Think that’s a shame, thought they were supposed to be news commentators, not really news when so one-sided. There are many things about Obama I think are good – concentration on early education (think that is extremely important), national service, but the 130 “present” votes to me is extremely troubling. Feel like “he’s been running for president” his whole short career in public office, not taking a stand till he tests the waters of what he thinks will be best for him and has allowed himself to be told on what positions to take – he’s more of a “stepford policitician” – having been created by others and don’t know where he actually stands on issues. And if you see something is wrong, like Acorn, speak out – saying it’s a shame b/c organized with good intentions but has went terribly astray in many of their offices and obviously shouldn’t be given fed funding with such widespread fraud and misuse including embezzlement of monies.
I agree that he has gotten sick of Republican talking points, but it took him a long time to reach this point
I know. He’s a true Conservative at heart, which just goes to show how freaking much Palin scares thinking people.
I think that Matthews is nothing more than an opportunist at heart. He is talking about running for political office. Right now he sees his chances for success being more on the left side than on the right side. I don’t trust that he has had a change of heart.
But, I must say I have been having fun watching him eviscerate those idiot Republicans.
just wondering if palin don’t know what the vice president does…will she know what the president does?????
also about “joe the plumber” i guess he’s not a plumber and only makes $40,000 a year. the business he wants to buy is worth a million. will any bank loan him that kind of money to buy the business?? he said he’s been doing this for 15 years…so why is he not a plumber by now? just wondering because my dad was a plumber.
Deb (08:36:37) :
Have you been watching the same Chris Matthews as I have? It certainly isn’t news – with his sputtering he’s been acting as rabid as Olberman. Which is fine if that’s what you want to listen, just don’t pretend it’s news. All they do is bash either Palin or McCain, glazing over anthying Obama or Biden due, half the time not even mentioning.
So I gather you would rather watch all the rabid dogs on Fox sputter? But, don’t pretend it’s news. All they do is bash either Obama or Biden, glazing over anything McCain or Palin due, half the time not even mentioning. (that was very difficult replicating your incomprehensible sentence structure).
BTW, Mudflatters, I know we are supposed to ignore the trolls, but I couldn’t pass this one up. Sorry…
katiebegood (09:20:21) :
I agree that he has gotten sick of Republican talking points, but it took him a long time to reach this point
I know. He’s a true Conservative at heart, which just goes to show how freaking much Palin scares thinking people.
I think that Matthews is nothing more than an opportunist at heart. He is talking about running for political office. Right now he sees his chances for success being more on the left side than on the right side. I don’t trust that he has had a change of heart.
But, I must say I have been having fun watching him eviscerate those idiot Republicans.
Well it’s always ratings. The Democratic party might just end up the new conservative party, ‘compassionate conservatives’ to quote George Bush. The Republican party has to drop the evangelicals and corporate handouts or stop pretending they’re conservative.
BTW, Mudflatters, I know we are supposed to ignore the trolls, but I couldn’t pass this one up. Sorry…
I say engage the more rational trolls. AKM has a lot to say and the more people that read it the better.
Regi,
No problem with double child credit (parent is working) and no problem at all even sending checks to poor b/c of difficult times – just call it for what it is. The problem is PRETENDING it’s a tax cut or rebate the way Obama is, it’s a handout.
I can’t address your whole post. I say address ALL voter fraud, real voter fraud, not obviously faked registrations no one would show up to vote with anyway. It’s a joke. I notice you didn’t mention roll purges. It’ MCCAIN not calling it what it is ! Obama has said time and time again he want to bring taxes up to a fairer level even if it means the poor don’t pay. McCain won’t admit what his tax cuts really mean.
I found this today and LOVED it,
http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-psmomspol&msg=4598.41
Hey Deb,
Do you know what voting “present’ means here in Illinois? I suggest you check it out because you are misinformed. Let’s not even begin to consider the fact that Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored literally hundreds of pieces of legislation both here in Illinois and in the US Senate.
As far as his “short” career in public office, define “short”. He was our State senator here for nearly a decade before we sent him to Washington. We have a population here in Illinois of several million people. Far more than Caribou Barbie’s home state. In fact, the district Obama represented as a STATE senator has more people in it than the entire state of Alaska! So let’s talk about experience…ok?
Most of what I posted is public. I suggest you do some research, you might be surprised at what you learn.
This is so funny!
I had to post it…
If I had been drinking I would have spit it out from laughing so hard.
Can’t you just see Amy Phoeler from SNL doing their version of this tape?
Thanks for the BIG giggles!
Sharon
~The Baby Boomer Queen~
Oh yes and I forgot to address your comment about that red herring, Acorn.
You do realize that Acorn is the one who turned in the goofy REGISTRATIONS right? They are bound legally to turn in all of them regardless of how messed up they might be. Acorn “hires” people to register voters. These hires are encouraged to get as many as possible. If that means they make up names, they do so in order to turn in a nice sized stack of filled out registration forms.
The job of the Board of Elections in any given state is to match those registrations against known citizens. This is where they seperate the “wheat from the chafe” so to speak. Those found to be bogus, are tossed out. That’s why “Mickey Mouse” and “Jimmy Johns” won’t turn up to vote…they are not real. If someone did show up to vote based upon a “bogus” voter registration, THEN and only THEN would it be voter fraud. It’s NOT voter fraud until someone tries to vote with it.
As far as Obama’s association with Acorn…he’s explained it more than once. You just don’t like the answer. That says more about you than it does about Obama. Why aren’t you hollering about YPM and McCain? Why are you not bitching about G. Gordon Liddy or about Rick Davis’ taking money from Freddie Mac long after he joined the McCain campaign? Why doesn’t this bother you as much as Obama voting present in the senate? Where is your outrage on these subjects?
We here in Illinois don’t give a crap about Ayers, Wright, Pfleger or even Acorn. We know that Obama is a good statesmen. We trust him. The only ones who seem to give a rats ass about this garbage are those who would never vote for him anyhow.
Most of the time, voting ‘Present’ means you ARE taking a stand….You are there to vote; would like to vote; but there are inclusions in the Bill that you DO NOT agree with, therefore, you are saying “I would like to vote yes but am unable to do so with that ‘crap’ that has been tucked in there under the guise of something good.
As for ACORN, OMG it was ACORN that found AND reported the problem in the first place. Have you listened to some of the recorded messages and threats those poor people have been having to deal with?
I wish I could say I am shocked that such hateful, spiteful, vindictive ignorant people still reside in our country and proudly call themselves “American Christians”. It truelly saddens me.
I just KNEW that was a Troll I spotted earlier!!!!
I’m not misinformed, I know what voting present means – you’re not taking a position on the issue. And it’s incredulous that someone would not want to take a position that many times -130. Not taking a stand on a subject, to me is important.
Yes, I know Obama was a state senator for 7 years and a US senator for 4 years.
Being a governor of a state certainly does have a lot more responsibility than state senator or even a US senator (and Palin’s not running for President, she’s running for VP just like BIden – whose state population is the same as Alaska. and he misquoted the constitution like Palin has, at the debate and no one keeps reporting on that).
Acorn is not a red herring in that Obama has worked with them a lot over the years and they have done some wonderful work BUT part of their work (which they’re comingling funds on, when the get federal funding) is to raise the democratic voters. No one thinks Mickey Mouse is actually going to be able to vote on election day, but Acorn gets a lot of fed funding and it’s based on the work they do – which a lot of it is fraudulent. It’s not just a few employees, widespread over numerous states. That should be addressed, they even tried to tack addl funding to Acorn on one of the original 700 billion bailout proposals – it is important. And in Obama’s explanation – he has extremely downplayed or not been honest on how much he has helped their work over the years (and they have done a lot of great work – but he’s simply downplaying it to try to distance himself from the present controversy which I do not believe he’s involved in whatsoever. It’s that lack of honesty I question.
What you say, character, stand on your principals and willing to take a stand should be important.
No, Obama really has not sponsored or cosponsered hundreds of bills – that simply is not true.
Your talking about Liddy is ridiculous – especially after you say no one gives a crap about Ayers. One paid their debt to society and the other blew up government buildings (and injured people), never went to jail and is proud and has said he didn’t do enough. But again, it’s not even what Ayers did (it would be ridiculous to get into that and don’t believe McCain should have made it such a big deal in ads)- for me it’s how Obama is pretending he hardly knows him and totally downplaying his relationship with him – because it would hurt his campaign.
I think you have to (or should) stand for something and don’t believe Obama does, on his own.
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I agree with you that a present vote can sometimes be taking a stand, especially on important issue like abortion at the Illinois Senate (which I agree with Obama on) – I understand his voting present, because of the “crap” or parts he didn’t agree with. But AGAIN obviously there absolutely can be no justification for doing that on 130 votes – to vote present.
About Acorn reporting fraud – obviously at some point they would have to acknowledge and report it. A founder’s relative embezzled a million dollars in early 2000 and they initially tried to completely cover that up even kept the embezzler on the payroll. Acorn has done wonderful community work over a lot of years – but they obviously need to put more checks in place. The fraud, misuse of fed funds, embezzlement have nothing to do w/Obama -but he is absolutely not being forthright on how much he has helped this worthy organization JUST because it would hurt his campaign. That’s truly sad and says something about his character. I didn’t hear the calls to Acorn – obviously that shouldn’t be happening in any shape or form.
I think the venom in the attacks against Palin is horrendous (no matter what you think of her) Matthews saying last night how he thinks she’s the dumbest woman in politics – how often has he dubbed who he thought was the dumbest man in politics?
A writer wrote a slight kidding comment about Hillary showing cleavage on Senate floor and you had people jumping up and down over how inappropriate that was – compare that to what’s being said about Palin, including porn lookalikes? Where’s the outrage over that? I definintely do not agree with all her views, but think its horrendous the attacks against her personally. How much of the press has been on her accomplishments in Alaska (and she has done a lot)? Have I cringed at some of her interview answers, absolutely – but Matthews repeatedly replaying and replaying video(when she was talking to 2nd and 3rd graders) and acting like she was talking to a normal audience was ridiculous. Again to get back to what this post was originally about, supposed to be pretend reporting the news.
Again, nice try at deflection Deb. Here is Obama’s record for your review. I counted 152 bills just in US Senate.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+01763))
Here is his Illinois record…..lots of legislation there with his name as sponsor…
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/SenatorBills.asp?MemberID=747&GA=93
(between State and US Senate, I count “hundreds” so I guess it must be “true” despite what you would like to believe)
Or how about this site, which shows the committees Obama sits on. More Federal level experience than Failin Palin….lots more.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
Here is McCain’s vote roll. Lots of “non voting” votes on that one. Isn’t that similar to “present”? Why won’t McCain vote on a bill? What does that say about McCain’s character?
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270
You say Obama is far more involved with Acorn than he lets on… what is your proof of this? Please provide links (and not to Fox News, not a credible source). What about McCain’s involvment with Acorn? Are we going to discuss that? Oh please, lets discuss…..
What you fail to understand about Ayers is that garbage has been vetted now for years. That dog don’t hunt. Nothing there folks, move on.
Again, if you have proof that contradicts what Obama is saying, let’s review it. I’m open minded. So far, all I hear from you is the typical…”but, but, but” without facts to back it up as evidenced by your claims about Obama’s voting record. So ante up the proof you have that he is hiding something about his relationship with Ayers.
And how you can say G. Gordon Liddy paid his debt to society therefore it’s ok that McCain associates with him? What a joke and quite a nice attempt to downplay just what type of jerk G. Gordon Liddy really is.
A terrorist is a terrorist. If Ayers is a terrorist, then so is Liddy, jail time or not. You can’t have it both ways. Ayers, by the way, was never tried. Why was that if he is as guilty as you claim? “Technicality” or not, if he did the crime, he should have done the time..right?
Liddy was tried and found guilty. Big difference there Deb. As far as being unrepentant, Liddy, the last time he was asked, also isn’t repentant. Hey, I almost forgot, what about all those lobbyists McCain has on his team that lobby for terrorist governments? Isn’t that worse?
Sorry Deb, I can’t play anymore. I have other things to do but mark my words, it’s been fun. Thanks for playing!
This comes late in the discussion, but referring to Palin’s unexpected release of, but yet to materialize health records and her statement that it will show she had 5 children:Early on when Mudflats was discussing the letter from Wasilla’s mayor Sarah Palin’s character and honesty was brought into the forefront. I distinctly remember a woman from Wasilla said there was no record of Sarah Palin’s birth of Trig in the hospital’s records. Does that ring a bell with anyone? I think the woman worked in the hospital or knew someone who did.
Just for you Deb,
Legislation sponsored or co-sponsored by Obama in US Senate ( I count more than a hundred).
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629&tab=bills
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Barack))+01763))
Or this site for his Illinois Legislation, again, quite a few here.
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/SenatorBills.asp?MemberID=747&GA=93
Would you care to retract your earlier claim? Clearly, you ARE misinformed…….
Oh, and Ayers was not tried, Liddy was. If you have proof that Obama is not being truthful on his involvement with Ayers and Acorn, by all means, lets see it. Not talking points, not hyperbole, not Fox News fake facts….lets see actual proof. If you have it, bring it forth.
Nancy Pfotenhauer, lobbyist.
Just one of many on the McCain team.
Oh yeah, baby, he’s gonna bring change alright. 8 years of lobbyists controlling Washington, DC, and John McCain wants us to endure the next 4 years with him being controlled by unelected lobbyists like Pfotenhauer.
Shouldn’t Pfotenhauer be trying to save companies like Pfaltzkraft?
I saw it last night on one of the reruns of Hardball and I just wish that Nancy would grow a brain, along with the RNC.
Oh come on, Nancy Pfotenhwhatever and Michelle “Channeling Joe McCarthy” Bachmann deserve to be eviscerated by the press. When someone make ridiculous, baseless statements it’s the media’s job to call that person out. It’s good to see that some in the media can still find their spine.
Glad Chris hit her hard! This MCCain campaign is being run with mud all over its hands. Its beyond slimy! If and when Obama wins I hope he tells it like it is and dosen’t say McCains really a great guy! Let McCain go out needing a bath!
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Chuck
Thanks for the Chris Matthews video.
Pure comedy.
Gee, Matthews was such an asshole I couldn’t stop laughing at him! I think Nancy couldn’t either! Talk about making up the news! All he did was talk and tell her what she was saying, when she wasn’t saying anything!
Gawdalmighty! The mighty American education system – between Palin’s New American Civics, Ptoehauer’s doublespeak, and James’ total ignorance of history. . . is it any wonder we’re like sheep led astray, to graze in daisies all the day. ‘Nuff said.
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This has become one of my favorite sites for All Things Palin.
I want there to be a Republican Party. I really do. But surely they can do better than this. I disliked her right away because of the polar bear thing, but I’ve now come to be really, truly frightened that such a person could be so close to running this country, or if not, seriously considered as a candidate for 2012. Her mean smile, her aggressive delivery of her non-sentences and ignorant misinterpretations…I can only hope that this Troopergate thing is just beginning. Surely, giving a First Spouse access to confidential personnel records is not a small matter. RIGHT?
I’d be interested in hearing Sarah Palin’s views about Neville Chamberlain and the 1938 ‘Munich Agreement’.
“This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine…. We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement, as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again…There will be peace for our time. ”
“Neville who Charley”?
Palin is channeling Dick Cheney.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/05/gellman-cheney-palin/
Here’s an idea. How about everyone taking a 5 minute Palin bashing break, and think about what a trillion dollars means to you. Suggested reading:
http://writingfrontier.com/2008/10/22/one-trillion-dollars/
Holy frijole! This is so awesome! I got sucked into the gravity well of the Black Hole of Bitter! Sweet! Wow! How does one blogger become so fixated on a woman..well, without some such sexual attraction. I mean My Holy Democratic mandated non-existent God this is some such silly. Did the Gov reject your overtures in public or private, makes all the difference ya know..Oh my magical fairy overlord in the sky…what an energetic example of envy floats down the river of the just below average intelligence here!
I mean your whole happy ha ha meme would be so much more impressive if you actually knew WTF you were typing about… I guess you missed the whole after action report where the real smart folk fisked your thesis, eh?
“”Matthews, in mocking Governor Palin’s alleged ignorance on the role of the vice president, stated incorrect facts on the history of the vice presidency. A further investigation finds that Chris Matthews mangled his facts over the HBO miniseries, “John Adams,” as well. First his quote to McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer on the October 22 edition of “Hardball.”
“Either she’s right about the vice presidency or I’m wrong. I say the role of the vice presidency, under the Constitution, is limited to breaking ties in the U.S. Senate. It has nothing to do with policy making, nothing to do with Senate leadership on either side of the aisle. There is no policy role whatever for the vice president. If you’ve even watch ‘John Adams’ on television a few months ago, you would know that going in to the very beginning of our democracy. The vice president has a formal role only. She believes somehow that the vice president of the United States has some sort of commanding policy development role and can lead the U.S. Senate. Where does she get this from?”
“Matthews apparently forgot a key scene in “John Adams.” In the opening scene of the fifth episode of “John Adams,” the episode covering Adams’ vice presidency, the newly elected vice president John Adams is proposing, you guessed it, legislation to the Senate. Specifically, Adams is proposing a title for the president of the United States. Many senators mocked Vice President Adams’ proposal and soundly rejected it”
“After making such a blatant error in his attempt to embarrass Sarah Palin, will the MSNBC host issue a correction or apology?-”
Who cares..OOOOOOOops! You are not a Loyal Comrade of the vision of Great Leader Obama! You are a attention seeking reactionary who gets off on petty Petite Bourgeoisie boo-yahs from your audience. You are so severely fake.
You are an excellent example of the crass capitalist roaders who do not truly appreciate the all inclusive social justice vision of Great Leader! Maintain your small, it seems to be serving you well!
Rock on jilted lover! Neat site!
Deb,
Are you aware that McCain’s campaign hired “a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration fraud in several states”?
In 2004, Nathan Sproul, and his company, Lincoln Strategy, trained and paid its staff to collect voter registration cards and to *destroy* any cards that were not Republican. This is one of the folks McCain selected to, er, help his campaign. You can read about it here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4992730.ece
Two comments –
One:
I mentioned this like weeks ago, and it’s only gotten worse. I don’t want to see someone win because their campaigning staff is incompetent, but McCain’s God-awful people are mostly glory-hogging fools who would rather use this election as a stepping stone to catapult themselves into the public eye. Freaking retarded morons.
Two:
I have to wonder how bad Palin’s sense of style is if the GOP feels the need to spend $150k on her clothing. Was she walking around in animal skins or something prior to the election?
CORRECTION:
“I don’t want to see someone win because their opponent’s campaigning staff …”
Sorry about that. What I said previously was confusing.
How does one accept the job of running for vice president without finding out what the job entails? Could any of us go on a job interview and spout nonsense and then expect to be elected? Please, someone, anyone, give Sarah a copy of the Constitution. I think it may even be in the third grade classroom of the child who posed the question. But then again, I note the Vice President Chaney had some unusual ideas of what the job of a vice president is and so far no one has bothered correcting him.
lhecker:
Loan it to Biden also, because he was misquoting the Constitution at the debate also. Strange Matthews didn’t cover that too much or at all, did he?
USA Barbie/Robin:
Website you directed me to listed 71 bills Obama sponsored/cosponsored in US Senate (not HUNDREDS) so what did you want me to retract, I can count. And since despite how eloquently he speaks, he’s not “bipartisan” or “reach across the aisles” but it does sound great when he says it, too bad it’s not the truth since he votes 97% of time w/his party (most liberal Senator, that is really not working with other party and his name often gets tacked onto any bill a Democrat is pushing, no matter his involvement).
Illinois Senate how many that he sponsored did he end up voting PRESENT on, obviously no rational explanation for 130 times, you can’t be doing it for strategic reasons that many times.
Acorn and Lincoln Strategy – think it’s the same thing, as I explained before – don’t believe Obama has anything to do with current voter fraud, past embezzlement or comingling (he has worked with them for years and done incredible work – just google it and will get tons of stuff – but he tried to downplay it completely at the debate b/c thought it wouldn’t be good for campaign) and McCain doesn’t have anything to do with fraud at Lincoln.
But he’s not misrepresenting or making denials like Obama is – that’s concern.
(I apologize, tried to post this 3 times, under my own name and never showed up?)
Michelle:
I think another title John Adams proposed for the U.S. President was “his high mightiness.” Meanwhile, Washington got a lot of mud slung at him for supposed royal pretentions while in office.
Another interesting wrinkle in the Adams Vice Presidency was that it took place before VPs were specificially elected (the VP was simply the presidential candidate that got the second most electoral votes) and before there were organized political parties. Nowadays, the VP and the senate majority often belong to different parties (as would most likely be the case if Palin won). Thus a VP active as president of the senate would add a whole other dimension to congressional politics and the checks and balances of the government.
Palin obviously wouldn’t stand a chance in trying to roll the clock back to 1789, but it is actually fairly hard to believe that the framers intended the VP to be quite such a minor office as it has become. In fact, the first few VPs were as politically prominent as the presidents themselves and certainly didn’t think of themselves as as vanishingly secondary as modern VPs.
You could also make the argument that the amibiguities of the Adams vice presidency have never been fully resolved: the office holder is supposed to do nothing much but look decorative unless the president dies and then he or she is supposed to immediately start running the country. The office is also not especially democratic as nowadays VPs are appointed by a candidate rather than directly elected, as called for in the Constitution. Often, VPs have just not been up to the job of being president. But for a few kind twists of fate, we could have ended up with a President Agnew or a President Quayle.
You could even see the office as a disaster waiting for its Palin.
To continue the thought: the other problem with the constitutional ambiguity of the vice-presidency is that the president can basically make it whatever he wants it to be. This can produce monsters like Dick Cheney— someone with almost no consitutional authority or responsibilities who can have enormous, unknown, unchecked powers behind the scenes. In these times of increased VP power and influence, this is really asking for trouble.
Can you imagine the sort of mischief that a Sarah Palin could get up to as Vice President? Her idea of power strikes me as pretty Roman– i.e., grab whatever you can get away with and use it for whatever you feel like doing. With such poorly defined powers and responsiblities under the constitution, how could Palin even be impeached?
Ann/ Deb,
I count 619 Federal and more than a hundred State. That sure seems like “hundreds” to me………
Obama does reach across the aisle. He does it in US Senate and he did it here in Illinois. Not sure how many times he needs to reach in order to satisfy you but that doesn’t change the fact that he does reach across the aisle.
That Acorn dog doesn’t hunt. Please provide proof. Otherwise, it’s been asked and answered ad nauseum…please drop it from your repotiore. Again, you just don’t like the answer, doesn’t mean he’s covering anything up.
As far as most liberal in Senate…so what? After eight years of Neo-con crap, this moderate Republican has had enough and even my conservative values seem liberal compared to Palin and Bush. I don’t see anything wrong with making sure Americans are cared for, why do you?
usa barbie
and Ayers – yes, I’m aware he wasn’t convicted, he just admitted to being involved with bombings, said he didn’t do enough and didn’t regret it –
that’s much better. It’s Obama trying to totally distance himself and totally downplaying and not being honest about his past relationship with him – just because of campaign is where i see the problem.
I think words matter and honesty matter.
Like Biden on his degrees and saying he was in top half of law class (76 out of 85…then saying he just mispoke) like at debate saying Afghanistan war cost 2000% less than it has, guess he’s just bad with math. Matthews isn’t all over him about those. But how many times did I hear Matthews say how Palin didn’t write her speech… obviously neither did Obama, McCain, or Biden (which is good with his repeated plagiarism in past speech years ago and when writing paper in law school and had to go through review process before he could even get law license b/c of plagiarism). None of them write their own speeches, but he just kept pounding about Palin not writing her speech. Biden’s other mistakes at debate – saying how he had been talking to people at Katies in Delaware (when restaurant has been closed 25-30 years) – silly? yes, but it’s something that Palin would have been pummeled on by Matthews.
Why isn’t Matthews trying to eviscerate Barnie Frank on Hardball with his involvement in Fannie and Freddie?
Media has been terribly one-sided in it’s coverage.
No, not 619 – i don’t have any idea what it is you’re counting
How many bills per day would that be since he’s been in the Senate?… think about how impossible that would be.
Believe you’re using Biden’s math.
And by the way I’m not outraged at anything – I don’t know where that comment from you came from either.
Obama: “I’ve been fighting alongside Acorn on issues you care about my entire career…” (Steven Malanga, “Organizer In Chief,” [New York] City Journal, Summer 2008). I believe Obama’s done incredible community work throughout his career. It’s his distancing himself from Acorn is what I’m questioning.
I absolutely think Americans in need should be taken care of – not even a question about that – where did that question to me come from?
Comment on site how people in Illinois don’t care about Wright and others? Why wouldn’t they? Who would want to expose their children to someone who spews hatred like Rev Wright has?
My daughter went to shore w/ old elem friend of hers to visit her friend’s boyfriend. It was a frat house type of housing, where if you worked at hotel could get cheap housing there for summer. One of his friends had burned tattoo with swastika and other had a homedrawn tattoo with white supremecy saying on it, throughout the day they said horrible things and Jakki didn’t say anything. At night when her friend and boyfriend disappeared, a black kid walked up the steps and they started shouting horrible racist things to him. She yelled back at them how it wasn’t right and ended up getting thrown out physically down front steps with her backpack and other belongings behind her. Only one to help was the black kid who followed her a couple blocks, trying to help her, saying she could stay at his room. Reason I’m telling the story – when she called me to try to find way home from OC, MD she was still crying and shaking. Don’t know if I’ve ever been more proud of her at age 19 – though I think you have to be careful sometimes when speaking up. But I keep thinking how or why would you let your kids hear a sermon from someone who says such hateful things? Tell them to disregard it afterwards? I’d hear that once and not go back – close friend, family or whatever. Initially Obama supported Rev Wright, saying how long he’d know 20 years, like family (w/weddings, baptisms) but took weeks before (it seemed like for campaign’s sake) he made the break. That’s what concerns me.
There are many things I don’t agree with McCain about – abortion, being one of them, but think he is more honest and better character, doesn’t check to find out what position he should take every step of the way the way it seems Obama has or fail to take a position on an issue.
don’t know what you’re counting but not 619, think about that – how many would that be for every day he was at US Senate, pretty impossible he’d be involved in that many? think you’re using Biden’s math.
Bizarre, but tried to respond at length and post didn’t go through again, so using diff.
Don’t know where you get that I’m outraged? where did that come from, certainly not me. Really has been invovled in Acorn more than he states, easy to check for quote about “working along side with Acorn for years” – easy to find – I had quoted material on posting that didn’t go through.
And your comment about why wouldn’t I care to take care of Americans? Again, where in the world did that come from? I certainly think any American in need should receive assistance. My oldest daughter just got back from Peace Corps from two years in a rural village in Africa, another who is teaching for two years at an alternative high school in inner city Baltimore under program like Teach for America w/grad school at night and another daughter who is in college wanting to do social work in prisons.
(My kids have voted McCain, Obama and Nader on absentee ballots, since two in grad school and one in college and not at home – and I’m proud that they didn’t vote along party lines, looking at the candidates and issues, two democrats (though neither voted for Obama) and one repub who did vote for Obama).
Certainly don’t agree with everything about McCain, including abortion – but do believe he’s more honest in his positions and not afraid to take a stand. Many things I admire about Obama, but the trashing of Palin just to win an election the way I think Matthews does it is horrible to watch, he’s like a rabid dog. And certainly not news.
just tried for third time to send post and not going through either of past two names
619 – think about it how many many that would that be for every day he’s been in U.S. Senate – not possible he could be involved in that many. your math is like Biden’s.
Don’t know where your comments come from re: outrage – I’m not and my not wanting to help others? Think anyone in need in American should be given assistance.
619 – how could that be possible, how many per day he’s been in US Senate? how could he be involved in that many? Think you’re using Biden’s math.
What I can’t believe is that Nancy huff ‘n’ puff has kids! It must be a scenario of yours mine and ours–or maybe none of them hers because you know she isn’t willing to wreck her perfect body. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I bout fell out of the chair when she said it though.
I also like how she just has nothing to say. No comments, just shaking her stupid blond bob and sighing and smiling. What can she say? Like Chris said, shes doin the best she can, but she doesn’t have much to work with.
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