Yes, I think I can prove this mathematically. And it’s not that complicated. Follow along.
If a = b, and b = c, then a = c.
No one is arguing right? Next step. Let’s define our variables.
a = John McCain said that “Sarah Palin knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America.”
b = Palin likes the Obama energy plan, as evidenced by the following press release in the news archives of the State of Alaska’s official website from August 4, 2008, mere weeks before Palin was tapped to be McCain’s running mate.
Palin Pleased with Obama’s Energy Plan
Includes Alaska’s Natural Gas Reserves
August 4, 2008, Fairbanks, Alaska – Governor Sarah Palin today responded to the energy plan put forward by the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, Illinois Senator Barack Obama.“I am pleased to see Senator Obama acknowledge the huge potential Alaska’s natural gas reserves represent in terms of clean energy and sound jobs,” Governor Palin said. “The steps taken by the Alaska State Legislature this past week demonstrate that we are ready, willing and able to supply the energy our nation needs.”
In a speech given in Lansing, Michigan, Senator Obama called for the completion of the Alaska natural gas pipeline, stating, “Over the next five years, we should also lease more of the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska for oil and gas production. And we should also tap more of our substantial natural gas reserves and work with the Canadian government to finally build the Alaska natural gas pipeline, delivering clean natural gas and creating good jobs in the process.”
Governor Palin also acknowledged the Senator’s proposal to offer $1,000 rebates to those struggling with the high cost of energy.
“We in Alaska feel that crunch and are taking steps to address it right here at home,” Governor Palin said. “This is a tool that must be on the table to buy us time until our long-term energy plans can be put into place. We have already enjoyed the support of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, and it is gratifying to see Senator Obama get on board.”
c = Obama’s energy plan.
If McCain (a) chose Palin in part because of her knowledge on energy, and if Palin (b) is on board with Obama’s energy plan, then McCain (a) must be on board with Obama’s (c) energy plan.
That was easy. Next!
Mudflats 
First post?
Ah, but you forget that both McCain and Palin can look you in the eye and tell you that they never said “a” or “b”. Despite the video tape or press releases, they can lie with impunity.
all of this hate was released when Palin starting shouting “Pallin around with terrorists” words do matter! don’t they.
wow in the top ten !! Yippee
Does anyone else get “chills” looking at the Mudflatters around the Globe map — that is awesome –
AKM ? Did you have any idea that your blog was going to impact the country (if not the world)? And – partial credit must be given to McC & Palin ~~ after all, they lead us to your fantastic site with all these wonderful people.
No idea whatsoever. The map still blows my mind, quite frankly! AKM
Palin was at the Clipper baseball Stadium in Lancaster City yesterday. She apparently never mentioned Ayers’ name.
Palin and McCain’s claims about her knowing energy policy are patently false. She doesn’t even know what Boyle’s Law is so how could she get into something like the pressures of energy policy without some volume of it blowing up in her hot little face?
McCain/Palin just get more and more ridiculous. Keep it up, you two!
I still don’t see a place for her on the Obama cabinet, LOL–
Thanks for your blog, AKM–you rock!
How great is it that Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama today? His endorsement may just solidify Barack’s efforts to change both Virginia and North Carolina from red to blue. It’s a wonderful day !
But she meant that it was good for Alaska, because it has a narrow maritime border with Putin poking his headup and flying in Alaskan airspace, you know, before he gets to the US, and the other border with Chicago, or New Orleans or something or maybe not in pro-America towns where the real Virginia is but having gas is good.
AKM – you’re cracking me up over here. Well done!
Redwood Man – How great is it that Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama today? His endorsement may just solidify Barack’s efforts to change both Virginia and North Carolina from red to blue. It’s a wonderful day !
I have to agree with you wholeheartly here in Oklahoma. It is a wonderful day. Greatest news I have heard all day. Yahoo!!!!!!!!! Wish I could wave a magic wand and make Oklahoma a Blue State instead of a Red State. I really dislike the color red, and I am redheaded.
Obama for President.
Racist Obama Effigy Hung In Ohio (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/racist-obama-effigy-hung_n_135971.html
**ANOTHER McCAIN NUTCASE
Now, now AKM. Don’t try to impose logic on the situation. So elitist.
More scarey stuff.. threats to campaign offices
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081017_Obama_campaign_seeks_extra_security_amid_threats.html
Perfect logic AKM… this should be making it’s way to HuffPo soon 🙂
Has everybody voted early? This is critical, no complacency, no turning away at the polls, no missing ballots… we must get this done once and for all.
BTW… so enjoying the fundraising efforts of “former” congresswoman Bachmann as her words and demeanor are helping her opponent… gotta love karma, also.
The energy policy goes right along with McCain’s views on feminism (on Fox today). Palin=anti-feminist in his book. I’m sure that his model is Phyllis Schlafly. Palin fits right in.
Years ago right after Reagen took office I was at a House Armed Services committee hearing where she was testifying. Phyllis showed up in her designer clothes, perfect hair, etc but all her acolytes were minimum 30 lb overweight in pink and blue cheap polyester pant suits. So the queen bee can be an exception as long as she makes sure the hoi polloi are kept in their Stepford wife places (e.g., Cindy McCain).
Reposting here:
I’ve been thinking.
Here is a scenario. A white sales person is about to get fired, if they don’t hit their numbers for the company they work for.
The white business owner has turned him/her down to make their numbers to keep their job. They go to the next business owner, and that business owner is african american. This business owner is interested in their product/service.
Time is running out, and the african american business owner is the last chance they have before it is time to turn in the sales for the month.
Do the sales rep:
A. Give their presentation to the business owner, and the business owner signs the agreement.
B. Tell the business owner they won’t sell their product/services to them because they are african american.
Which one would they choose?
Bleech.. watching McCain on MSNBC.. he stumbles over his speech.. and he looks tired.
@ MJC (12:00:23) :
Racist Obama Effigy Hung In Ohio (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/racist-obama-effigy-hung_n_135971.html
What’s the legal situation here, mudpuppy lawyers?
Cool A mathematical argument! Do you have any mathematicians in the family ? It must be rubbing off. : )
Why yes, as a matter of fact, I have x mathematicians in my family! AKM
nicely done. john mccain cannot argue with the transitive property.
Nebraska Native- Karma is going to bite them both in the a&&.
From CBS News Online:
U. Minnesota: Don’t skip class to vote
The Minnesota Daily is reporting that university policy states voting for local, state or national elections is not an approved reason for skipping class.
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Excuse me…I do believe that on the one most important day that occurs every four years the students SHOULD skip and go vote. Why should they be denied the right – they are of age and if registered then should vote.
Action Alert: Votes for Obama not being counted in NC!
QUOTE: “She says that in the last few days alone, she has personally seen at least 200 votes intended to go to Obama that were not being counted”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/19/151113/84/78/635565
A=B=C….. BRILLIANT!
I think they should make election day a legal holiday an everyone should vote.
@ Forty Watt Hussein (12:08:58) :
RE:
Racist Obama Effigy Hung In Ohio (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/racist-obama-effigy-hung_n_135971.html
What’s the legal situation here, mudpuppy lawyers?
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Freedom of speech IMHO. Like burning the US flag. Don’t see a threat here to Obama so it’s not a crime that I can see. Disgustingly racist, but not a crime.
OT
How to keep a troll busy
http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin (12:04:51) : Psst.. been waiting to see you here… I saw where you gave my dibs away on Rachel the other night to someone because I wasn’t here…… *in my best Ricky Ricardo voice* “Lucy, you got some ‘splainin’ to doooo”….:)
Powell’s POST INTERVIEW, destroys the “congresswoman from Minnesota” (VIDEO)
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/19/124747/55/218/635417
“I think they should make election day a legal holiday an everyone should vote.”
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I thought it was one–has that changed? It should be… State workers get it off in Hawaii.
Also, too, Inauguration day should be a holiday but I may have to take the day off.
BTW, has anyone noticed that SaPa seems to be losing some of her enthusiasm?
She seems more subdued imho, but then I would have tucked my tail and run from the whole shebang weeks ago if I had that record…or lack thereof.
OOOOPPPPS–I mean I’ll take the day off IF Obama wins–If McCain wins, I’ll be in Canada or the Caribbean…
This could have been avoided. I would circle each choice individually, and would have adviced everyone to do so.
Knowing the history of stolen elections, why risk the chance of doing exactly what the rethugs want voters to do.
It will take a little extra time to shade in the choices individually, but the time will be well worth it!
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes UPDATED
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/19/132343/11/189/635454
Lock Pepper- I never had the day off, always had to work.Guess I should have had a state job.
I decided when Obama got the nomination that if he wins I’ll drink a toast. If he loses, I’ll drink the whole darn bottle and render myself comatose–I’m a pretty cheap drunk.
BUT, he won’t lose.
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/10/mccain-and-palin-resurrect-mcc.html
This was quite a find by KOS, after listening to that Rep. from MN last week on Hardball and all of the crap being thrown out by Gov. Palin,,whew…what is happening to our country?
Hi, Mudflatters, Mudpuppies.
Inspite of the dailly good news, the humongous rallies (St Louis, K.C., Anchorage), Encouraging Endorsements, etc., I’m still nervous as though I’ve been personally slapped around by all the lies and made-up shit that’s stinking up the air. Thanks for all the positive vibes to counteract Repub Garbage, Mudflatters.
We put up our Obama-Biden 08 signs after our neighbor put up his McCain/Palin sign and NoBama sign. ‘Happy to say our signs are still there but I don’t see our neighbors’. Do people even steal those too?
On the lighter side, I made up a cartoon about the Palin foreign policy which I thought might be good to pass around and have people add their 2bits to. It would be great to see the creativity. The cartoon is just your basic scribble and nothing to brag about but it could lead to a fun game.
The problem is, I don’t know how to share (post) this cartoon. It’s in a jpg form.
It would be great to get large images of the St Louis Rally to use as wallpaper.
Thanks again. Peace from Colorado.
@ MJC (12:40:44) :
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes UPDATED
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/19/132343/11/189/635454
This is the voter fraud the Feds need to be investigating. Let’s get emailing again. Now is not the time to rest–or do the chores.
I just wanted to drop by and congratulate AKA and everyone involved with this blog. I’ve enjoyed reading it and do so as often as I can. Truthfully, there have been days when your posts have been the one bright spot in an otherwise depressing day.
Now as we all see the narrative shifting, it’s a joy to come here and join all of you. I hope you’re as proud of yourselves as I am. You deserve every accolade and then some!
PS. I hope you get “Meet the Press” where you are. I’m going to rewatch Powell’s endorsement again at 6PM Eastern Standard Time. Enjoy!
I’m not going to my conferring. Want to see the election results!
MJC (12:40:44) :
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes UPDATED
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/19/132343/11/189/635454
I am so sick of this sh%t!!! Excuse my language….but
they are going to start something…they don’t want unleeshed!!!
I haven’t heard McCain or Palin speak today (watching the Stillers). Maybe they caught a clue and decided to drop the Ayers reference after being slammed by Powell this morning.
Over on Kos, they’re talking about how McCain is going to put more resources in PA. Sounds like they’re wasting money, but hey, that’s a good thing.
Ifimlyingimpalin, go here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2008/10/19/MNB413KCL9.DTL&o=0
Right click on the image and you can set the image as your desktop background or save it and then use it as your wallpaper
IfImlyingImpalin –
The best way to share a photo on blogs is to create a free photobucket account, add your jpg to it, and link to your photo from there.
http://photobucket.com/
Have to watch the after Meet the Press Post Interview with Colin Powell.
From Daily KOS
“Whatever you think of Powell, those words he just said sums up the lack of McCain, the ridiculousness of Michele Bachmann (R-MN-06), the petty argument of Mr. Ayers, his words to the Muslim community and the need for CHANGE, spoke VOLUME.”
see and hear…here
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/19/124747/55/218/635417
IfImlyingImpalin (12:48:28) :
The problem is, I don’t know how to share (post) this cartoon. It’s in a jpg form.,
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You can get a free account at photobucket.com and upload it there. Once it’s uploaded, click on it (to view it full-size) then right-click, go to “Properties” and copy the address. Then you can post it as a link here.
Racist Obama Effigy Hung In Ohio (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/racist-obama-effigy-hung_n_135971.html
What’s the legal situation here, mudpuppy lawyers?
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Well, if he sets fire to it, he may violate fire codes. Other than that, it’s offensive, but legal.
However, one of he Huffpost comments said he had called the SS and they said they are flooded with calls and looking into it.
Did you notice the Star of David on top of the head?
I heard something on Air America today that was very interesting. I think it was David Bender who said he believes that the Republicans knew a long time ago that McCain wasn’t going to win. So they are using McCAin to gin up the hate and suspicion about Obama so that it will interfere with his ability to govern once he takes office. And I hate to say it, but I believe that he might be right. On the other hand, I think that the Republicans have seriously underestimated Obama’s ability to bring people together.
Last week you guys so graciously explained to me what being a socialist meant. As well as that one could very well be a capitalist socialist. So I see nothing wrong with that.
So can you now please tell me why in Ohio when Senator Obama walked into restaurant to get something to eat, some women screamed, ‘socialist, socialst, get him out of here.” Before being shouted down by some of the other patrons in the place.
Even McCain made the remark, I’m paraphrasing here, if you like socialism you can go to England or Canada
What am I missing, or am I trying to find something logical in an illogical situation. Why is there such fear!
**W.VIRGINIA ELECTION FRAUD CONTACT PHONE # & E-MAIL ADDRESS.
We cannot afford to do nothing. phone number for the WV SOS office for voters in WV: (877) FRAUD-WV
Also, we should all take a moment to write to the WV SOS to let them know how outraged we are to hear about these problems: wvsos@wvsos.com
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/19/132343/11/189/635454
*******NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MILLIONAIRES*******
Bush, Cheney and McCain aren’t feeling very welcome these days. The Poor are registering to vote so as to expel the Republican Party. There are so many more poor than before, that they are going to be hard to stop. (RIFFRAFF!). 80%+ of Americans think that the country is on the wrong track. (WHINERS!). The Red-Staters rebelled against the bail-out of fat cat Republican bankers,unless there were limits on compensation. (UNAMERICANS!). Now that uppity Obama is threatening to repeal the Bush Tax Cuts. (SOCIALIST!)
What to do?…..Flee the country, like Halliburton, to some tax haven? But where can yer average Scrooge McDuck go to retire? Where would one feel REALLY at ease?
Well…….there is ONE country where Republican Ideology reigns supreme. There are hardly any taxes, and even less government. There are no rules or regulations, and nobody watching over your shoulder, or getting in your way. (Palin would love it!). There is no min. wage and absolutely no yakking on about Health Care. There is no pollution ’cause there’s no industry, and no tree-huggers ’cause there are no trees……..even better there aren’t too many other rich Tycoons, to get in the way.
The Republican Party “Heaven on Earth”……………….HAITI.
divatalk -as I understand it, the folks screaming socialist at Obama feel his policies (and all Dems) = welfare state, giveaways, free ride to all the people they don’t like. (read, people of color)
It doesn’t register to these same people that, when they are out of a job, sick with no health insurance, or devastated by some tragedy (like a hurricane) – that they would probably, most readily, accept some of this “socialist” help when they are down and out.
Hypocrites all.
I am seeing this country in a very different light since this election than ever before.
I know racism exist. However, this election has brought out the very worse in people and kept what at one point was kind of hidden in undertones, out in the open.
Then again, maybe that is a good thing. People are now beginning to see their neighbors for their true selves and not only the role they play in public.
Additionally, we were supposed to be a country of democracy. Then you see the voter fraud and the various tactics used to keep certain segments of the population from exercising their rights as citizens and it is accepted.
Instead of doing something about it on the higher levels, it just get swept under the rug. It’s not reported as it is by the MSM and all the political victims can do is to fight against it in their way on a grassroots level. It’sis not denounced or anything.
They say we are becoming socialist, it seems we are becoming communist.
All this while the world is watching. And this is the type of democracy we want to spread across the world. Sheez, we need a real facelift!!!
I would also like to add that these same “socialist” criers usually also complain bitterly about taxes. However I find they are sure willing to drive on our roads, drink our clean water, enjoy protection from our police and firefighters, and actually benefit greatly from many laws that protect them, even though they cry about too much government.
Hypocrites, all.
Chores done, Yippie, hi gang!
AKM;
If a = b, and b = c, then a = c.
This would be a good question to play stump the Governor.
So can you now please tell me why in Ohio when Senator Obama walked into restaurant to get something to eat, some women screamed, ’socialist, socialst, get him out of here.” Before being shouted down by some of the other patrons in the place.
For that story – http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/19/obama-receives-unexpected-greeting/?mod=googlenews_wsj
I think a lot of it is residue of (and even some nostalgia for) the Cold War. Everything left of center was socialism or communism and, ergo, out to destroy us.
William F. Buckley’s son explains his endorsement of Obama in The Daily Beast because ” . . . of the experience of my colleague, the lovely Kathleen Parker. Kathleen had written that . . . Sarah Palin was an embarrassment. (Hardly an alarmist view.) This brought 12,000 livid emails, among them a real charmer suggesting that Kathleen’s mother ought to have aborted her and tossed the fetus into a dumpster.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-14/sorry-dad-i-was-fired/
Lovely tolerant conservative Republicans . . . Watch out Collin Powell.
katiebegood (13:15:52) :
I heard something on Air America today that was very interesting. I think it was David Bender who said he believes that the Republicans knew a long time ago that McCain wasn’t going to win. So they are using McCAin to gin up the hate and suspicion about Obama so that it will interfere with his ability to govern once he takes office. And I hate to say it, but I believe that he might be right. On the other hand, I think that the Republicans have seriously underestimated Obama’s ability to bring people together.
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I think that this is a good (bad) possibility too. I just keep thinking to myself that the Republicans in charge have to know that McCain is not the winner here. And even if he were, he seems so tired and old and unhealthy.
So what are they thinking here?!?!
Then I also remind myself that Barack Obama is nobody’s fool. That he has figured out all of this and he’s thinking way ahead of me, and I think you’re right that most people have underestimated his ability to bring people together. Some people will take longer to get on board than others but – when I’m feeling optimistic – I remind myself that there’s good in everyone (well, practically everyone!) and we are going to come together.
Hmmm. It seems we won’t really be a better country until these people pass away with time and the younger, more progressive, tolerant people are left to figure out how to do things together.
There is nothing wrong with being extraordinarily rich. I truly believe everyone should strive to be so, since the richer you are, the richer in opportunities there are to do major benefit for others. And if you became rich because of the product or service was of great benefit to the masses, that is even better.
It seems it will be the next generation that will understand that logic out of pure necessity, that there is no lack. We have abundance and by becoming rich or even very comfortable does not take away from anyone else achieving the same goal. Not to mention the best way to become wealthy is to provide services that benefit us all.
That is why Obama will be the next President.
BigPete (13:21:49) :
[…] Well…….there is ONE country where Republican Ideology reigns supreme. There are hardly any taxes, and even less government. There are no rules or regulations, and nobody watching over your shoulder, or getting in your way. (Palin would love it!). There is no min. wage and absolutely no yakking on about Health Care. There is no pollution ’cause there’s no industry, and no tree-huggers ’cause there are no trees……..even better there aren’t too many other rich Tycoons, to get in the way.
The Republican Party “Heaven on Earth”……………….HAITI.
But Pete! Haiti is full of… *gasp*… black people! Can you imagine our head racists living in a country full of… *gasp*… those who are not like them??
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish in CT (12:33:41) Also, it didn’t mean nuthin’ and you have also primary dibs, which consistently means, that which is good and right, and also, you win! 🙂
I wonder if those IGNORANT people shouting SOCIALISM are willing to DECLINE a tax break for themselves and their family if Obama were to win the election?
Susie in Jersey (13:00:46) : I have new desktop background! Thank you!
Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin were backstage at a campaign event. Sarah says, “Cindy, I see John sent you a dozen roses.”
“Yes he did, Sarah. You know what this means: I’ll have my legs in the air for a week!”
“Couldn’t you just put them in a vase?”
LOLOLOL Nebraska… I ALWAYS win!!!
thought you could sneak that one by me, huh? I read every post on every one of these threads, even if it takes me days to do so. If I didn’t I am afraid I might miss a tidbit of information that others aren’t getting. So, of course, I saw your little dance….. and laughed out loud.
NEWS FLASH: I sent the link to watch Obama last night in Kansas City to a friend. She just got back to me and said she missed it, but made a donation anyway!!! And she signed her mail to me, “Go Barry!”….. LOL..
here is a great uplifting video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcNoKevCWWc
One more reminder….
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There is some disturbing evidence in the polls that the robocalling and hate-mongering are working in swing states like Ohio and Indiana. The next two weeks are going to be slime hell. it just kills me that these tactics work. We will never see the end to them if they succeed in getting the sleazemasters elected. Obviously, they only work with “low information” voters–the people who get all their info from Fox News and Rush–so how can the reality-based community fight back against it? I’m at a loss.
nicely done. john mccain’s got nothing on the transitive property.
At the early voting site where my husband and I voted — on different days — Obama voters were heavy on the ground.
AKM I loved your “Why yes, as a matter of fact, I have x mathematicians in my family! AKM”
I think that McCain and Palin won’t be able to follow you logic because they modify all of the facts they encounter by subtracting infinity from anything that makes sense and adding to anything that doesn’t. Either that or they simply invert everything. Well whatever, they do sound like the people George Orwell had in mind when he wrote 1984
“MJC (13:48:21) :
I wonder if those IGNORANT people shouting SOCIALISM are willing to DECLINE a tax break”
I think could them to like socialism simply by putting the word national in front of it.
MJC (12:22:42) :
Action Alert: Votes for Obama not being counted in NC!
QUOTE: “She says that in the last few days alone, she has personally seen at least 200 votes intended to go to Obama that were not being counted”
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We voted in NC on Thurs. before leaving and we were told verbally at our polling place about this situation with the ballot. Apparently the vote for the office of President IS NOT included in a straight party vote. Also, it was clearly explained on a poster placed above the sample ballot. We also spread the word after we got home…I don’t know what else can be done. (Later that night, a canvasser called us to remind us to vote early, and to remind us of this situation.)
In all fairness, the same would apply to a vote for McC/SWWNBN, right?
Irish puck mule sister: please reconsider going to your conferring. I was persuaded to go to my own by a very wise, now-departed, old lady. And she insisted that I also have my pitcher took.
I will always be glad I was persuaded.
RE: Action Alert: Votes for Obama not being counted in NC!
It is true that you have to select the President/Vice President separately from the straight ticket option, by the poll workers were clearly telling voters at the site I was at. Of course, I live in a notoriously liberal town.
@derDunkelRover
Did you also read the comments below….These people do seem stuck and now their favorite target are the working poor.
my god…don’t these people realize that people tend to get rich off of the backs of the working poor and our military is mostly populated off of the backs of the working poor as well?
These people disgust me
ooohhh. it makes me so very angry
I am still wanting the answer to the following question from the last thread. Can anyone help?
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MJC (11:38:34) :
Katiebegood said:
“Actually, I believe the Obama has asked people not to donate to him any longer but to put your money into the “down-ticket” candidates.”
**I must have missed that. Where did you get that info? I did not see that on Obama’s web page.
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I would like the link or source of info for this information as well. As recent as last night the email I received from the Obama site still had a donate line and button. Please clarify. Or is this a hoax?
hose Hussein hotrod
Michele (14:08:15) :
I’m at a loss.
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Michele, as hateful as those calls are they seem to be stirring up a lot of problems for republican’s…
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., and Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, made separate appeals to McCain on Friday. Collins faces a tough race for re-election and serves as a co-chairwoman of his Maine campaign.
“These kind of tactics have no place in Maine politics,” Collins spokesman Kevin Kelley said. “Sen. Collins urges the McCain campaign to stop these calls immediately.”
I heard a pro on the topic the other day on MSNBC say it is the cheapest and least effective form of delivering a message because so many people just hang up when they here it’s a recording. Thats why team McPalin are using it they are low on $$$.
They may be helping our side more than harming.
Yay for Colin Powell, but boo to the Republican pundits who say the endorsement is race-based because it can’t be anything else. Excuse me, did you listen to the endorsement? Powell laid out his reasons carefully, and none had to do with race. I am sure he would be glad that a black man became prez, but he DID endorse W.
I am also grateful that he brought up the anti-Muslim rhetoric that has been seeping through this campaign. It was past time for someone in his party to take a stance.
Michele Bachmann’s people are trying to spin it that the clips being played have been misunderstood. They claim Bachmann is only concerned about Obama’s connections. Um, sure. Now they are taking the leaf from McCain’s playbook of lying about what she said WHILE BEING FILMED! No shame at all.
ira2 (13:45:03) :
BigPete (13:21:49) :
There is one country, Dubai, actively advertising on CNN International for rich expatriates to come and live there. Their punch line is “best of all no personal income tax.” It will be interesting to see what happens in January and early February.
Re: socialism. I think, sad to say, most people have no idea what it really is and are only listening to the talking points. We have had a bastardized version of it for the last twenty years, only, it’s been called the Trickle Down Theory, or Reaganomics. As Powell said, as Buffett said, every kind of taxation is redistribution of the wealth–it just depends where it goes and which way it flows.
For anyone yelling socialist as an epithet and who is struggling to make ends meet, look me in the eye and tell me that unfettered capitalism has been good for you. Sadly, many people don’t make that connection.
upnorth minnesota hose Hussein hotrod (14:28:14) :
I don’t know the answer – maybe if you call your Local Obama office or send the campaign an e-mail?
@ SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin (12:08:53) :
Off topic upcatch from 2 threads back:
You asked where I live. That would be the Bemidji area in northern Minnesota, a couple hours north of tropical Duluth. A freakin’ paradise as nature goes, a photographer’s dream, a tad too far south for moose but apparently not far enough north to quell the redneck/C&W infatuation of the locals. And if there were mountains here, I’d live on top of one and be able to see Canada from my house :o)
Only in America!
The other night at the roast Obama/McCain were at…Obama ended his “speech” saying “we are all children of god” and that some of us are more fortunate, in a better situation, so they should strive to help those less fortunate. I suppose that would be called “socialism”? Has anyone seen MM move “Sicko”?
He interviewed many well-to-do people in England, France etc. and asked them if they minded paying more taxes so everyone could have health care. Not one of those people said they minded, they even said, because they WERE making More they SHOULD help out, so everyone could have health care. In America, the rich, do not care one iota, about middle, lower class, having health care or anything else. Obama, said he wants to give healthcare “like what John and & enjoy” govt healthcare for those who need it. I do not understand, what is so bad about that? The rich people of this country are greedy, misers, which is why they scream “socialist” about Obama and his raising taxes for them. On the other hand you have the neo-cons and fundy’s that are just plain crazy, racist, facist.
Only in America!!!
Obama is NOT for the middle class. He is ROCKEFELLER’S STOOGE, as evidenced by University of Chicago (Rockefeller-funded) connections, not to mention every single cabinet member he has proposed is a freaking GLOBALIST! Warren Buffet is his puppetmaster as well.
McCain is no better, as he is a Rothschild stooge.
Wake up, ignorant Americans! It’s time to learn who is really running things behind the scenes. Politicians are PUPPETS.
I was still getting email requests for donations to the Obama campaign yesterday, and I’m still donating to the Obama campaign.
I’ve also made a donation to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in the hope that there’s enough money to go around to all the Democratic candidates running for office!
Oh. One more thing. As supreme ruler of the universe, I get first dibs on Rachel!
TROLL ALERT! Intrigued (14:38:52)
THE POLLS ARE TIGHTENING. (Oct. 15th-18th)
The latest Poll numbers out today at 538 has Obama down to a a 5 Point lead. It used to be 10 point lead a week ago.
I’m hoping that the CP endorsment will bring the numbers back up.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
upnorth minnesota hose Hussein hotrod (14:28:14) :
I would like the link or source of info for this information as well. As recent as last night the email I received from the Obama site still had a donate line and button. Please clarify. Or is this a hoax?
hose Hussein hotrod
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hose I could find no evidence that this is true anywhere on the web. Obama’s still accepting donations.
Intrigued….have you come to rail at us again? Its been almost 2 months and you say the same things every time you visit.
Laurie, like McCain! If I say it enough times, it will be true.
Thanks Bea,
I made my donation. I drove by a little pro-8 gathering in Irvine yesterday.
My 15 year old son rolled down his window and we both shouted booooo with our thumbs down. He wanted to give them the finger but I said that it was too crude…still they called us perverts…morons.
I am so proud of him…he is not gay but he understands that it is not a sin to be so.
Say…how do a put am image into my little decal. i have finally figured out waht I want to put in there.
@Caligirl. I have never understood why all those people that Palin and McCain can get frothing at the mouth during their rallies….just dont get it. Why cant they understand that John McCain has not one good thing in his plans for them, except perhaps a draft to fight his 100 year war.
laurie…please don’t feed the trolls. I know they look hungry but they are just looking for negative attention
nebraska. you started this. you finish it! 🙂
MildlyDisturbed (13:49:06) :
Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin were backstage at a campaign event. Sarah says, “Cindy, I see John sent you a dozen roses.”
“Yes he did, Sarah. You know what this means: I’ll have my legs in the air for a week!”
“Couldn’t you just put them in a vase?”
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Okay, Milton Berle. Saw Bette Midler do this little routine, quite effectively. You gotta hear it to really appreciate it.
muddies refuse to feed trolls….. News at 11 🙂
@bea, I back up your plea completely. I have donated, but the forces against are well-funded and strong. We must persevere because inequality against one group of Americans is inequality against all.
One more thing, McCain’s latest blathering about the ‘scandal’ of Obama’s small-donation donors reeks of classism to me. What, he wants to put a minimum on how much people can donate? If a hundred million people want to give Obama seventy bucks each, that’s their right! It’s not a scandal! Cripes.
Thanks, Maverick, for putting your country first. After this election, whomever is chosen is going to have one hell of a time leading.
GOP voter registration fraud case leads to arrest
Mark Jacoby, who was arrested in Ontario and owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state registration laws, authorities say.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
*** HOORAY!!! BREAKING NEWS!
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin (14:36:00) :
Only in America!
The other night at the roast Obama/McCain were at…Obama ended his “speech” saying “we are all children of god” and that some of us are more fortunate, in a better situation, so they should strive to help those less fortunate. I suppose that would be called “socialism”? Has anyone seen MM move “Sicko”?
This is what the bible teaches us, however the so called “Christians” who are supposedly holier than thou…tend to over look this teaching in the bible.
JAK & future first posters…..
Please have something other to say than “first post”…this blog deserves better than that, especially when you have nothing else to say.
I see it everywhere else and roll my eyes at the inane waste of energy. We come here to share and discuss, not run around and play cyber tag on blogs. Not intentionally slamming but it bothers me enough to mention it, thanks.
I also have not received word to STOP donating to Obama’s campaign, please elaborate Katie
@asianHusseingrrl
“One more thing, McCain’s latest blathering about the ’scandal’ of Obama’s small-donation donors reeks of classism to me.”
I thought the same thing…thanks for bringing it up…it seems like the wingnuts don’t really believe in democracy.
@Braveny….some are not trolls. Some have been here as long as I have… Aug 29. They just have a vociferous opionion that is different. No need to ‘trollize” them.
MJC (14:55:38) :
GOP voter registration fraud case leads to arrest
Mark Jacoby, who was arrested in Ontario and owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state registration laws, authorities say.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
*** HOORAY!!! BREAKING NEWS!
I am loving this! I wonder how many other skeletons are going to come falling out of the GOP? He is going to start singing like a humming bird!
I bet this is why Obama remains to be calm…and wouldn’t be surprised if he had things in place, to let the GOP hang their damn selves!!!
oh come on Sasha
Who cares if people are having fun…being kids and wanting to be first. We are all family here. Lets not be too elitest
@copybook realist. I dont feed the trolls…never have. Nor do I bring attention to them. As unfortunate as you find Intrigueds ideas…he/she is NOT a troll…and has often had much to say. Just saying…
Here is TalkingPointsMemo’s take on it (McCain,’s whining because more people donate to Obama than to him), along with excellent comments by the readers:
tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/election_central_sunday_roundu_34.php
Here is Obama being interviewed by Fareed Zakaria. Very thoughtful. Zakaria is cute, too.
youtube.com/watch?v=YGJgbDxy_xk
MJC (14:55:38) :
GOP voter registration fraud case leads to arrest
Mark Jacoby, who was arrested in Ontario and owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state registration laws, authorities say.———————————————————-
Now THAT’s voter fraud!
>MJC (14:55:38) :
GOP voter registration fraud case leads to arrest
Mark Jacoby, who was arrested in Ontario and owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state registration laws, authorities say.<
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That is such good news, MJC. I bet there’s gonna be more of that to come, and who knows how far out this rock will ripple.
For those of you that wish to add to your political momentos,
I think you will find this site refreshing.
http://www.karmags.com/servlet/Categories?category=Political
sorry Laurie…my mistake
GOP voter registration fraud case leads to arrest
Mark Jacoby, who was arrested in Ontario and owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state registration laws, authorities say.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
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This is good news, but also potentially bad news. It can take a long time to extradite someone from Canada to the US (assuming he does not waive extradition), ironically enough, because of the due process/ procedural fairness, Charter protections in place in Canada.
Let’sGetReal for “That One” (14:58:33) :
This is what the bible teaches us, however the so called “Christians” who are supposedly holier than thou…tend to over look this teaching in the bible.
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Yes I agree! I know people who are Christians and they will voluteer to go feed the homeless, food banks and other nice things, bring dinners to sick people, very selfless and caring…however SWWNBN is not a “Christian” in that regard, she is a “fundy” extremist, I think I saw in the Wasilla vids (the Wasilla project)http://www.wasillaproject.com/index/2008/10/sarah-palin-fis.html
They interpertet the bible “literally” (meaning however they feel that day, what ever suits them) and they are mainly self-serving and dominating!
These are the people behind her and Prop 8 wanting to push their “Agenda” on everyone else! That’s nazi facistism, the way I see it!
😦
Sorry copybook realist,
Perhaps I’m a grumpy and tired canvasser/volunteer, I frolic & have light, fun moments with my husky at the dogpark…I just don’t understand people who exercise energy to write first and nothing else and actually this race is closer than many would believe… otherwise I wouldn’t be pounding the pavement.
Sasha in MN (15:00:06)
JAK First post?
Let me waste some energy….I have enjoyed Mudpuppy posts since Sarah was first announced VP select. I have enjoyed this site and the smart, educational, and ‘make you think of the issues’ comments since then.
I do not post much, but really enjoy the posts. I live in a red state and need the encouragement of this site.
I apologize for my surprise I was the first of this post. I believe I have seen others happy to be the first poster.
oh and sorry Intrigueds as well
Sashsa.
I truly admire your resolve….some of live in a blue state. We do what we can but you know. I personally feel like a spectator sometimes.
I can understand your frustration though and your drive. Still a few light hearted moments should not be discredited. We are all stressed.
JAK (15:11:42) :
Sasha in MN (15:00:06)
JAK First post?
Let me waste some energy….I have enjoyed Mudpuppy posts since Sarah was first announced VP select. I have enjoyed this site and the smart, educational, and ‘make you think of the issues’ comments since then.
I do not post much, but really enjoy the posts. I live in a red state and need the encouragement of this site.
I apologize for my surprise I was the first of this post. I believe I have seen others happy to be the first poster.
JAK, we don’t mind….I’ve been here since 8/29 and probably speak for a lot of us. We are all family here!
I’m in a red state as well, and I am so glad I found Mudflats!!!
JAK (15:11:42) :
Congratulations on making it first. As you have probably seen from other threads people can feel lonely when they do – sort of like is there anybody here?
I have come to believe that Palin doesn’t really believe in anything other that whatever will move her up in the world. Watching her on SNL reinforced my belief that there is no there, there. By the way, they really slammed her, and she just grinned and took it. I think she will end up on FOX News or some equivalent if this VP thing doesn’t work out for her.
Sasha in MN (15:00:06) :
JAK & future first posters…..
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Sasha,
I felt the need to clarify, I agree with copybook realist, when you find yourself in the top ten on the thread sometimes (not all the time) we celebrate that a little.
angryxer (01:07:05) :
ooh, am i first?
Let’sGetReal for “That One” (19:12:25) :
Am I number 2?
Forty Watt Hussein (13:45:31) :
I’ve never been first. It’s kind of wierd. Like finding a whole city empty
Steph aka Beans Harpoon Hussein-Palin (02:11:29) :
You mean I’m first?
Excellent Synopsis AKM!
Does everyone know how to “digg” these posts? It really helps move the story to the mainstream press! AKM, a little tutorial would be great-get more diggs!
I think what is REALLY ironic about all this socialism garbage talk is that Obama, IMHO, is not nearly as “leftist” as almost any of the folks he ran against for the nomination.
In fact, that’s why it took me a while to embrace his candidacy. I like a Democratic party that leans a LOT farther to the left, that is much more progressive. He has many, many positives–but that’s not one of them.
that said,
OBAMA-BIDEN ’08
Thank you JAK, I was looking all over this thread waiting for you to say something more! I apologize if I generalized you with alot of first posters, I have had overloads at Obama’s site and still don’t get it although I try.
Not to put pressure on you but would love to here what the state is your red state, if not I still appreciate your response and explanation JAK
So, when is this idiot up for reelection?
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/10/19/Governor_calls_Palin_perfect_candidate/UPI-26811224455699/
I’m in Georgia, but I’d do my part to help y’all elect somebody else.
OK guys…different topic.
Did anyone catch Biden’s rally today? That man is such a good speaker. I love the way that he gets all quite and speaks real personal and then he gets passionate and lets it all hang out. I think that he has found his voice in this campaign.
This has been a good day! I was very pissed off before I watched Biden..
And here is another dosey in our favor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/freddie-mac-paid-gop-cons_n_135995.html
copybook realist (14:46:22) : Thanks for your support. Sounds like you have a great kid there!
asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN (14:51:11) : Thanks for your support, too! As for McInsane’s whining about Obama’s fundraising– Isn’t it funny how Republicans are all for “let the market decide” until it goes against them? Too bad for McSoreLoser, but the “market” has decided we want Barack Obama to be our next President!
@Sasha in MN (15:11:09)
I applaud the hard work and hours your putting in as well. I am grumpy at times, but we are never as grumpy as John McGrumpy who is REALLY going to be grumpy when he gets his Colin Powelled.
Okay I am getting it mudpuppies….Sasha moving to chill out , try to relax and breathe.
Thank you for your inputs. No matter how hesitant I get to post at times, I do so with honesty and am thankful for your patience & understanding.
BTW can I just mention how much I detest canvassing, infringing on people and putting myself out there? Obama inspires people to get over their fears in various ways all over the map.
Thanks Bea
And yes thats it…we are the Market. i love it!
SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin (15:18:17) :
Yea, I think we’ve got to lean left to balance out the last eight fascist years.
And yes, Bea, I agree, I’m tired of McCain’s whining. And I’m tired of trying to have intelligent conversation with Repubs. All they seem to be able to do is regurgitate Fox or change the subject.
Sasha…whats great is that we can all work it out here
unless you get accidently trolled….i apologize to Intrigueds again…..
Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child (15:10:24) :
True about the extradition, but the point that screams out is:
GOP OUTSOURCES VOTER FRAUD! that should be the real headline
[http://www.latimes.com/news/local/
la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story]
They don’t or can’t even hire Real Americans to do their dirty work. Instead they have foreigners interfering with the voting process. That should get some play around the blogosphere.
Insofar as the first poster thingy… I was first once.. by accident. Then I recalled that one is practically celebrity if they are first. So, I put on my tiara and paraded around my living room when I noticed I was first. Of course, nobody noticed, and I was relegated to the bottom of the heap again.
Still, it’s thrilling to be the first one to read a new AKM post; the first to absorb the new information; the first to respond with some coherency. But, second is nice, too. And for that matter, 358th is terrific!!
It’s a little bright spot in some of our days, what with the negative campaigning and worry for our next president, Barack Obama. So, if someone wants to celebrate that little thing, so be it. No skin off my teeth.
This is a very cohesive and intelligent group here. I, too, have been coming since Aug 29. I like to call that “the beginning”. We have much to share and I hate to see it devolve into a contest between members. Let’s continue to respect each other’s ways and encourage thoughtful discourse. We all have different stories, lives and histories, and can all benefit from the home we all call Mudflats.
*jumps off soapbox*
Group hug!
@Bea, even if I weren’t bi and though I have no desire to get married, it chaps my ass that in the country of supposed equality, a significant portion of our population is being systematically discriminated against. It just blows my mind that I could marry a man I don’t love, no questions asked, but I couldn’t marry a woman I love (or lust over, like Rachel Maddow).
Shouldn’t LBGT folk have the right to be as miserable as straight people?
Here is Obama being interviewed by Fareed Zakaria. Very thoughtful. Zakaria is cute, to
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I agree! But if I was on the dating game I think I’d pick Obama because I have a major crush…
But Fareed could eat crackers in my bed any day, LOL!
That’s my thoughtful, political comment for the day…
(all in fun–I’m a happily married woman but one can dream, yeah?)
copybook realist (15:20:33) :
And here is another dosey in our favor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/freddie-mac-paid-gop-cons_n_135995.html
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Thanks copybook realist!
Oh my…
Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company. . .
McNasty is going to be so so Mr. Grumpy now. he he he… Wait that’s right he’ll say it’s Obamas fault.
@ Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child
The arrest refers to the city of Ontario, which is located in San Bernardino County, California, United States
Granted it’s probably Ontario California, but what the heck it’s the way the Republicans play the game
He is at least out of state:
“State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California.”
But Pete! Haiti is full of… *gasp*… black people! Can you imagine our head racists living in a country full of… *gasp*… those who are not like them??
Sure can imagine it. They would put them to work as their servants. (Haiti certainly needs the money, so it probably wouldn’t be too hard)
asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN (15:29:08) :
” it chaps my ass ”
“Shouldn’t LBGT folk have the right to be as miserable as straight people?”
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You are lil miss snarky too. I love it, Chaps my ass, he he he
hey…I am listening to Michelle O speak in Rochester MN.
Thats my home town! my dad was a Mayo Clinic doctor. (crazy place if you ask me…I have stories. Still)
by the way …speaking of Rochester MN…it looks way more diverse now looking at the folks behind Mrs O!
@ Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child (15:10:24) :
Mark Jacoby, who was arrested in Ontario and owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state registration laws, authorities say.
This is good news, but also potentially bad news. It can take a long time to extradite someone from Canada to the US (assuming he does not waive extradition), ironically enough, because of the due process/ procedural fairness, Charter protections in place in Canada.
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Is it Ontario Canada? I presumed it was Ontario CA.
What channel is Michelle O on?
I swear you couldn’t get any dumber the team McFailin…
As Colin Powell’s endorsement of Obama makes headlines worldwide, John McCain counters with a nod of his own an hour later, blasted out to reporters:
MEXICAN-AMERICAN ACTRESS KATIE BARBERI ENDORSES JOHN MCCAIN
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/mccain-counters-powell-en_n_135954.html
@Lock Pepper in Honolulu–how about Zakaria, Obama, AND Biden? Whoa, Nellie! Gotta calm myself down.
@Chief Hussein Shikago, I am especially snarky today considering that my Vikes lost to (presumably) your Bears. In hideous orange. Harumph.
You guys are so quick off the mark. By the time I churn out a question several people have already answered it!
If we click our heels like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz….maybe the election will be over & Obama/Biden in office. How wonderful!
I am reposting this from many threads back. I think Bec was the original poster.
Sasha in MN (15:18:22)
Not to put pressure on you but would love to here what the state is your red state…
Thank you for asking. I live in Kansas. I do not believe Kansas has ever been anything other than red. To know your vote will not count because of EV is not encouraging. I am so glad to see the neighbors may swing blue (MO)
I have two children. The oldest is 21 and will be voting in her first election. The youngest was a ’07 senior. His first election too. I am so proud of both for their interest in the current state of government and making sure they are registered.
My youngest has a crowd of 16 – 20ish he hangs around with (yes, our house has been the hangout for the last couple of years.) Some of the friends show a genuine interest and ask questions.
Friday one sat down next to me and started extolling the virtures of McCain. I asked why he thought McCain was the right on…’Because Obama is Muslism you know.’ Oh, and his uncle the ‘cop’ advised Obama supportrs are those baggy clothes guys.
I must admit I could have handled the argument better, but Muslism and gang banger supporters really threw me.
You have to wonder what they here at home.
This is what you have in Midwest America. I am still boggled by Palin’s Pro-America states, areas, etc. I think she was referring to my area.
You know, if I were working for McCain/Palin (quickly tosses salt over the shoulder ) wherever that ignorant racist put up his Obama “ghost” in the yard, I think I’d at least try to salvage some tiny little fraction of dignity/respect by sending someone out to steal HIS yard sign.
Actually, I’d have someone visit and tell him “we don’t want your vote, thanks” (and mean every word of it) and insist on paying him for the sign, so I could take it away. I know you can’t control every nutcase who chooses to use your campaign to get their 15 minutes of fame, but I’d really want my campaign staff to do some meaningful damage control.
But I guess you can’t do that, when that’s the sort of people you’re OK with inviting to be a part of your “base” right?
And the campaign silence on this issue SAYS SO MUCH.
just sayin’
Sorry asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN- but Bears really needed that win. And we did it will a lot of players off with injuries. Snark Too bad Green Bay won, too, and we have to share first place.
@asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN hideous orange is right! Not into sports, while the game was on I was cutting the vegetation down in my pond for the winter. My neighbors think I’m weird, and they’re right.
SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin (15:43:30) :
the silence is deafening….. which is why it is so important for us to YELL
asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN wrote:
“even if I weren’t bi and though I have no desire to get married, it chaps my ass that in the country of supposed equality, a significant portion of our population is being systematically discriminated against. It just blows my mind that I could marry a man I don’t love, no questions asked, but I couldn’t marry a woman I love (or lust over, like Rachel Maddow).”
Shouldn’t LBGT folk have the right to be as miserable as straight people?
I am 99% heterosexual, my one percent is saved for Rachel Maddow.
The Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Policy was a huge disappointment for me with Clinton & Powell. Many men and women can openly serve in the military in other countries yet once again we are playing catch up. Seeing first hand the way my best friend and his partner have been treated the past dozen years makes me wonder if I would have the strength to live my life as honestly and valiantly if I was faced with the same hurdles. This is one battle I really wonder if I will live long enough to see overcome and I’m 37.
PS I am a Hawaiian/Korean in MN and let me tell you how refreshing it is to hear a strong voice & opinions from another asian female in a sea of Scandinavians & Germans, although it’s slowly changing.
@Bec Hussein in Illinois, Vikes needed it, too! Sigh. They gonna break my heart again.
@Chief Hussein Shikago, that’s what I get for assuming that you were a Bears’ fan because you’re a guy. My bad!
Gah. When is this election over? I need to stop obsessing.
@forty watt…lol..it is Ontario CA
DrChill (12:10:33) :
Cool A mathematical argument! Do you have any mathematicians in the family ? It must be rubbing off. : )
Why yes, as a matter of fact, I have x mathematicians in my family! AKM
Snort…good one AKM…snick-snort 🙂
@Bec Hussein in Illinois, I spoke with another Chicago Mudflatter here about a possible gathering, are you near the city?
ONe more and then I will zone out with the TV for the rest of the night, but I just had to say… that whole concept of those who have a lot, helping out those who don’t have a lot…
It just sounds familiar. I’m no biblical scholar (don’t even claim to be a Christian, but I hope people will judge me by my actions) but I kind of remember that Jesus said something about being judged by the way we treat others, especially the least among us???? Or am I having hallucinations from childhood?
Who Would Jesus Hang in Effigy?
LOL – thanks for the link phoebe — I hadn’t seen that one! My daughter studied in Russia and I’ll have to send it to her. She’ll love it.
I had posted the link for the Gondoliers for Obama before. Still love that one. Wish they had better lighting for it.
Palin’s busy lying about “Joe the Plumber” and taxes today.
Maybe Joe would do better if more people had enough money to hire him!!!
JAK,
My 13 year old daughter have a diverse group of friends. They stay all night with each other, we go shopping together, skatiing together.
One day my daughter said she had something to ask me. Her question was, “Is Obama the Anti-Christ?” I said no, where did you hear that from. She said one of her friend Gabriel Aunt told her Obama was the Anti-Christ, and if he won…the world would come to an end.
I had to explain to her as plain as I could, the bible doesn’t even reference the word Anti-Christ, and went on to say how this came about.
Let’s just say, my daughter and this girl can no longer spend the night with each other. There has been another reason as to why. My daughter woke up one night, and came and got in the bed with me…she is rarely spooked, but she said Gabriel was telling her stories about the board game her Aunt plays that calls evil spirits.
Shikago – I’m western suburbs – but get in the city fairly regularly. Where are you?
@Sasha in MN, woo-hoo! A sister! How did you end up here? I was born here.
I have read some of Powell’s recent comments on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and he wants it dropped as soon as possible. I, too, was disappointed in Clinton for caving on that issue, and I am hoping that Obama, if elected, would change it once and for all.
I used to work for Hennepin County, and I overheard one woman who was in the Army Reserve say that she didn’t want gays in the military because she would feel uncomfortable with a woman staring at her in the showers.
I wanted to tell her that A, she better not go to the gym, then, and B, don’t worry, we don’t want her, but I didn’t. Wish I would have.
So how great are Mudpuppies?
So great that I’m on route to my daughter’s wedding and I’m sitting at my 86 yr old mother’s laptop just to keep in touch with all of you!
Group hugs, indeed…to all mudpuppies whether posting, lurking, or most amazingly, being first! I can’t tell you how often I’ve sat at the end of a thread posting…and posting…and hearing crickets! 😉
*JAK (15:42:54) :
When I was an undergrad at Washburn in the dark ages the Gov. of Kansas was a dem and an ob/gyn and KS was one of the first states to make abortion legal. The good folks who are not raving fundies need to get active. They have before.
phoebe (15:42:51) :
“If we click our heels like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz…”
You figure Kansas is going blue? That would be neat – a lot better than being in Oz.
Bec, Far Northwest side in the city from Park Ridge, near O’Hare, the other muddy was in Wicker Park so were all faily close…
fairly
Bush has brought us the most socialism this country has ever seen–in the form of taxpayer equity in failed financial institutions. Now that’s scary!!!
Personally, I’d rather see a little more equity in health care and tax structure.
Hi CassieJeep(visiting) we all miss ya! Hug…
CassieJeep!
Have fun at the wedding! We miss you too!
I think what disturbs me is that it seems most people aren’t curious enough about the facts to dig for information. They believe Fox News, what appears in their inbox, and what their friends and neighbors say.
CassieJeep(visiting) (15:53:32)
Glad you checked in. Hope it’s a wonderful wedding. My Mom’s 86, too. Give her a hug from this mudpuppie. (I really love my Mom AND she voted Obama!)
@SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin, the Philistines. I don’t think Christ would hang out with the right-wingers. He hung with the prostitutes and the sinners–he knew where the fun was at. Yes, Jesus said we will be judged by our actions. He, or God (I was raised Christian) said something about how many will call His name only to have Him answer, “I do not know you.”
@Let’sGetReal for “That One”. Wow. Just–how sad that the hatred is getting passed down through the generations.
@ Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago (15:46:20) :
…. I was cutting the vegetation down in my pond for the winter.
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You know, I was curious about the kinds of chores that kept you busy today.
I know it’s pathetic of me. I really do have a life!
Anyway, I’m so happy to know it was one of these “at one with nature” kind of chores. So good for the psyche in these tense times. Me, I’ve been harvesting the fall veggies.
@Bec
I also sent it to my daughter. I actually was singling the little jingle today while I was gardening………..I think maybe the campaign season has gone on a little too long.
OK gang, I have to run, hope to be back later… I need a laptop.
On energy, it’s “Drill, baby, drill” (Palin and by default, McCain) or
It’s invest in diverse sustainable energy sources and fuel-efficient automobile technology and American Jobs. (Obama/Biden)
SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin (15:33:12) :
But Pete! Haiti is full of… *gasp*… black people! Can you imagine our head racists living in a country full of… *gasp*… those who are not like them??
Sure can imagine it. They would put them to work as their servants. (Haiti certainly needs the money, so it probably wouldn’t be too hard)
Ohhhh, I don’t think that the Haitians would be too keen on going some 200 years back in time. Being able to work for good pay, on the other hand, would probably be a good thing. Ya think the racists would pay them fair wages?
Strike Chipper and Lets Get Real — the last few years I have squared in my mind that what these right-wingnuts call Christianity – would NOT be endorsed by Christ. It is their own “off brand” and the “rules” they have established are strictly theirs. Especially their rule that no one else will get into heaven if they don’t follow their way. Well — they are talking about “their” heaven, and it has nothing to do with the place I feel the rest of the good people of earth, no matter what their religion or non-religion, will end up. Perhaps “their” heaven is actually hell. One can only hope.
JAK,
The thought of having children exercising their right to vote for the first time is pretty neat to me. I remember my first time (kay mudpups, get your heads out of the gutter, lol). The fact you are in a traditional red state with young, first time voters in such a dramatic presidential race is intriguing. I am thrilled some of the youth voters have questions and want to learn, heck they are more developed than full grown adults who refuse to open their minds. I will take a moment and think of you & your family down in Kansas on election day, this is the kind of personal insights & stories that humble me and also reminds me the various paths we travel to the votes we cast.
copybook realist, I would love to hear the stories….my father is the physician that pulled all the drug trinkets & gifts in Duluth hospitals and sent them to Africa and wants to make it state wide. It was in the local papers and USA today.
I have been to baracks site…that is how i found Michelle in Rochester MN
Here is the message…in case you did not get the email.
Keep donating to the campaign
https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/septembernumbers1?source=20081019_DP_Standard
CassieJeep(visiting) Yum, harvesting veggies would be cool too. With me it’s anything nature but not sports.
A little something to cheer all the mudpuppies spirits.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
there is another previous article at the LAT website also.
Thanks, folks. I need to pack Grandma for the trip—I already told her she cannot bring the kitchen sink since the Repugs have already thrown it at President Obama.
Our stop in Western PA has resulted in two nasty mailings just in the one day we’ve been here. Western PA is really getting hit hard with this garbage…*clicking my heels*…there’s no place like home…
Good news? Driving through Virginia, small arm of West Virginia, MD and PA—Obama signs were certainly holding their own! I remain hopeful for those folks!
Is anyone watching 60 minutes.
OK now I want to know…how many Minnesotans are out there?…ooofta!
Bug shoutout from FrostBite Falls MN
Big ShoutOut also (Damn Biting Ladybugs out today) 🙂
Does anyone know if Obama will have another rally in VA? If so which city?
I only receive notification from Obama campaign the day they occur and not beforehand. thanks
I have 60 Minutes on-but, doing chores as I listen
Let’sGetReal – I have 60 Minutes on – but paying too much attention to Mudflats.
SoCal Bob (11:50:14) :
But she meant that it was good for Alaska, because it has a narrow maritime border with Putin poking his headup and flying in Alaskan airspace, you know, before he gets to the US, and the other border with Chicago, or New Orleans or something or maybe not in pro-America towns where the real Virginia is but having gas is good.
I audibly snorted when I read this. Got some weird looks for that. You’re a hoot!
Born in Hawaii, been in MN since I was five. I’m feeling pretty Minnesotan. Planning on relocating near Finland/Isabella/Tofte aka northwoods within three years.
And I would like to see the astute asianHusseingrrl”thatone”MN run for public office soon.
Why isn’t our government not deploying more troops, equipment, and supplies that is needed in Afgan?
This is where we need our troops to be!
Are any of you IL mudpuppies going to the rally downtown on election night? I’m considering it, of course-I’ve already got November 5th off. I’d love to put faces to Bec and Shikago, etc.
I think that Barack Obama would still like your donations to his campaign, If you have more to give, then you should donate to other democrats. This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
http://punditkitchen.com
Fun
I meant downtown Chicago.
New post up.
Here is the story that led up to the other story.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1216330.story
copybook realist (16:05:33) :
OK now I want to know…how many Minnesotans are out there?…ooofta!
Count one near Bemidji. Good deal, bad deal, interesting and different.
Le’s Get Real-
Why are we fighting a war in Iraq? The current administration has muffed the war thing from the beginning.
I am listening to Powell/Brokaw again and finally having a glass of wine.
I think I will stop looking at national polls every other hour, only watch The Daily Show & Colbert instead of surfing the cable news channels and chill out on Mudflats for awhile.
We know we need to concentrate on Afghanistan since 9/12 but addressing this priority would mean, oops/mistake admitting being wrong, which is not in the current admin’s vocabulary nor the repugs….the surge worked, we need to keep focus on the successful surge and how Obama was wrong.
Goodnight folks, cheers and thanks for all the links provided in the past posts, it really cuts the time down and worthy mentions meriting some attention.
evening muddies.. 🙂
here’s some entertainment for the evening..
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1832245
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1829481
Carol – I shot over to the new thread and don’t know if you are still here – but maybe we should set up an Illinois/Chicago-area thread on the Forum so we could plan something. Maybe there is one there – I just haven’t been on the forum for a while – consume all my time on the blog and on the news sites.
I had thought about going to the rally election night – but know I’d be much more content to be able to be home watching all the election returns. Don’t think I want to be cut off from my TV and Mudflats that night.
It would be fun to have some kind of Mudflats gathering. I’d have to go order my yellow boots – never did get mine!
@copybook realist, me, me, me. I’m from MN. You?
Halcrow (15:30:04) :
RE: Ontario, California arrest
You are I think correct, which makes my earlier post about extradition pointless. Silly me, I thought the paper had just gotten the name of the Ontario Provincial Police wrong! So the news is REALLY just good! Whoop!
@Sasha in MN, thanks for your vote! I don’t think many people would vote for me, though. Besides my aforementioned qualities (bi, Asian, female, socialist capitalist), I have tattoos! and I did a performance in which I stripped. I think videotape of it exists. However, if Obama wins, I might actually give it a thought.
In regard to the UofM policy of not skipping classes to vote – guess I would agree with that policy. Most college students have no more than one or two classes during the day. They don’t go to school all day, and usually have plenty of time between 7 a.m. and 8 p.m. when the polls are open to vote. VOTE, but don’t skip class to do it. Any voter who works in Minnesota can take time off during the morning to vote, so if the student works in the morning they can vote during that time and still get paid for the time missed to vote. I don’t know of any classes that start at 7 a.m.
Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child (15:10:24) :
GOP voter registration fraud case leads to arrest
Mark Jacoby, who was arrested in Ontario and owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state registration laws, authorities say.
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This is good news, but also potentially bad news. It can take a long time to extradite someone from Canada to the US (assuming he does not waive extradition), ironically enough, because of the due process/ procedural fairness, Charter protections in place in Canada.
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Ontario is also a city in california,…that’s where they arrested him. No extradiction necessary!
Whabs, Seattle, WA. (12:30:17)
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ABSOLUTELY AWESOME LINK! Can’t help but love it.
Halcrow (15:30:04) :
(and knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin (16:40:25) & probably others by now)
RE: Ontario, California arrest
You are I think correct, which makes my earlier post about extradition pointless. Silly me, I thought the paper had just gotten the name of the Ontario Provincial Police wrong! So the news is REALLY just good! Whoop!
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I appear to have shot my cannon too early — this should have posted under my name, not as anonymous.
That would be a double mea culpa. My latin is rusty, too. What is the plural of “mea culpa”?
I have Obama’s energy plan. It’s in a toolbox with my tire pump.
OT:
Has anyone seen the JoinPlanUSA…the young 12 yr old taking care of his 4 brothers? That really brings tears to my eyes, and really really saddens me!!!
This doesn’t make sense to me! I wonder if the right wingers donate money to organizations for these children who have been left to bare the burden of their younger siblings.
If I had the money….I would love to adopt those 5 boys so they could stay together!
Let’sGetReal for “That One” (16:52:07) :
OT:
Has anyone seen the JoinPlanUSA…the young 12 yr old taking care of his 4 brothers? That really brings tears to my eyes, and really really saddens me!!!
This doesn’t make sense to me! I wonder if the right wingers donate money to organizations for these children who have been left to bare the burden of their younger siblings.
If I had the money….I would love to adopt those 5 boys so they could stay together!
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You sound like you’re probably one of those darn socialists, too!
what I like about this site……well really many things…….is that everyone helps everyone else so fast with the things that they do not know…….you ask how to do this, you get a fast reply……….you ask does any one have a link……..there it is ………..I also have a messy house………..yard work not none………no food in the house…..thank goodness for peanut butter and cheese……….i did take a break and take my 16.5year old….4.4 pound pom to the vet for her yearly
copybookrealist —
This Minnesotan lives near Nisswa (Brainerd Lakes Area)…and you?
The difference between us and the conservative repugs..
We care about our fellow man!
School House Rocks – Mudflats Style!
i’m just a troll
yes i’m only a troll
and i’m sitting here sounding so droll
well it’s a long long journey
to the mudflats
it’s a long long wait
while i’m sitting in spam splats
but i know i’ll be released someday
at least i hope and pray for a tootsie roll
but today i am still just a troll
@ Let’sGetReal for “That One”
You said: This is what the bible teaches us, however the so called “Christians” who are supposedly holier than thou…tend to over look this teaching in the bible.
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Actually any Catholic that has had Jesuit teaching knows about Father Arrupe. On July 31, 1973, Fr. Arrupe addressed the “Tenth International Congress of Jesuit Alumni of Europe,” in Valencia, Spain, and called upon the financially successful, well-educated Jesuits to redefine their mission in a new and radical way. As those in attendance sat in expectation of praise for their accomplishments, Fr. Arrupe surprised all by declaring that all they had achieved was simply not enough. In his now infamous Men For Others speech, Fr. Arrupe stated, “Our faith in Jesus Christ and our mission to proclaim the Gospel demand of us a commitment to promote justice and enter into solidarity with the voiceless and the powerless. ” His meaning was that ministry to oppressed and suffering peoples must not remain on the personal level alone and that it was necessary to also promote structural changes in the world to alleviate the sources of oppression and violence anywhere it was found. It is not enough to pray and cry for peace and against injustice and human rights violations in the world but to become a “man (or woman) for others” and rededicate your life and all that you learned with your Jesuit education to alleviating and preventing social injustice everywhere. And that includes using your money to do so. Not so different than what Obama is proposing with all his stands on the issues important to this election.
Years later the Pope made him resign (1st ever to resign instead of die in office) over his so-called radical ways but I believe that Father Arrupe’s direction is called for even more today. And Obama is leading the way.
Off topic upcatch from 2 threads back:
You asked where I live. That would be the Bemidji area in northern Minnesota, a couple hours north of tropical Duluth. A freakin’ paradise as nature goes, a photographer’s dream, a tad too far south for moose but apparently not far enough north to quell the redneck/C&W infatuation of the locals. And if there were mountains here, I’d live on top of one and be able to see Canada from my house :o)
My dad and sister both went to college in Bemidji, my parents “retired and moved north” to the Iron Range, and my in-laws live near Detroit Lakes. So I am familiar with the area. I prefer it a little warmer, but the house my parents live in is the house that my mom was born in, so there is no way it will leave the family. Since my husband hits retirement age first, (of the kids and in-laws) we may well end up “retiring and moving north” as well…it is beautiful in the summers, it’s the winters I hate.
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Here is the video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU
Oh, he likes pepper on his steak