Palin’s War on Wildlife Takes to the Sea.

17 10 2008
Beluga whale photo from NOAA

Beluga whale photo from NOAA

Sarah Palin may have a new battle on her hands. With so many endangered animals left to endanger, and so little time, what’s a governor to do?

While Palin’s lawsuit against the Federal Government to keep the polar bear from protection as a threatened species is still pending, another pesky white northern critter has reared its head to plague our governor. The federal government has now placed the population of beluga whales that inhabit Cook Inlet under the protection of the endangered species act.

When I first came to Alaska, I would often visit a beautiful little pull-out on the Seward Highway in a spot known as Beluga Point. Beluga Point is an aptly named, rocky outcropping with windblown, sculpted trees, that looks over the wide expanse of Cook Inlet, the body of water that hugs the coastline around Anchorage and the surrounding area. It used to be fairly common, when looking out over the Inlet to see what at first looked like white-caps, but on closer inspection, turned out to be the bobbing white heads of Cook Inlet’s beluga whale pod. I remember one fourth of July, picnicking on a beach across the Inlet when the pod came by. They swam back and forth, no more than 20 feet away, rubbing their long shiny bodies on the gravel bed along the shore for a good scrub. The babies were plentiful, human-sized and grey. The belugas stayed for almost half an hour, looking at us periodically with large shiny eyes, while we ate sandwiches. This is why I love Alaska.

There is a relationship that people develop with the wild creatures of this land. Those belugas, that one pod, shares our home. You might be alone and contemplative on the shore, or you might be with a group of excited visiting relatives, and it might be different times of the year, but the belugas were the same. They came, they went, they visited, or they didn’t. That community is a community, and it is truly part of the place. They were made for the place; more so than us two-legged interlopers on the shore gawking with binoculars.

But since 1995, the beluga population in Cook Inlet began to take a turn for the worse. There were only about 650 animals at their peak. In the following years, their numbers began to decline noticeably and people started to worry. It became more ane more rare to see the belugas at Beluga Point. Some hunting of the whales had been allowed for traditional subsistence hunters. The practice was halted by Native villages. Laws were enacted to keep boat traffic from “harassing” the whales. The numbers declined. Studies were done. The numbers continued to decline. Questions began to be asked about the effects on the whales of sewage disposal, toxic runoff, and oil and gas exploration in the Inlet.

Uh-oh. As soon as anyone mentions oil and gas, you can bet the hackles of pro-development Alaskans stand straight up, and they start paying attention. This is why Palin is so opposed to saying that the polar bears are anything but healthy. They have the audacity to be living on the North Slope of Alaska, and the oil was there first. If you listen to Palin tell the story, you’d be worried that Alaska’s polar bears are multiplying so fast they’re going to take over the state. The fact that the arctic ice the polar bears need to hunt is melting at an alarming and unprecedented rate, the fact that animals are drowning because the ice is disappearing, the fact that males are attacking denning females and eating young polar bears to survive, is met by Palin’s administration stuffing their fingers in their ears, denying the scientific evidence, and litigation. We’re talking money here, and nobody is getting rich off polar bear powered vehicles. Nobody is heating their homes with polar bears. So, there is only one logical course of action. Sue the government, and deny the facts.

There are now only 375 beluga whales left in Cook Inlet. The whales are not recovering despite protections enacted over the last 10 years. If you plot the line on the beluga population graph, it’s easy to see where it’s going, and why they are now under federal protection.

The listing means any federal agency that funds or authorizes activities that may affect the whales in the area must first consult with NOAA’s National Marine Fisheries Service to determine the potential effects on the whales, the agency said. A federal action must not jeopardize the continued existence of a listed species.

What impact the ruling may have on oil and gas extraction in Cook Inlet, the proposed Knik Arm bridge or even municipal sewage disposal is still an open question.

Palin, of course, has questioned the scientific evidence that determined the whale population is in decline. She wants no part of giving the whales federal protection, especially at the dawn of the massive oil exploration projects scheduled to begin in Cook Inlet in the next few years. She has gone so far as to urge that the whale not be listed, and not receive federal protection, citing concerns over what this might do to the Cook Inlet economy. The whale has become an inconvenient speed bump in the road.

The listing has the potential to affect major Alaska projects including an expansion of the Port of Anchorage, additional offshore oil and gas drilling, a proposed $600 million bridge connecting Anchorage to Palin’s hometown of Wasilla and a massive coal mine 45 miles south of Anchorage.

The state does have serious concerns about the low population of beluga whales in Cook Inlet and has had those concerns for many years, Palin said in a statement. “However, we believe that this endangered listing is premature,” she said.Palin in April successfully lobbied for a six-month delay in a listing decision until a count of the whales this summer could be included in deliberations. That count showed no increase over 2007 numbers

While polar bears are beloved by all, and their protection has been covered extensively by conservation groups, and to some extent by the mainstream media, Cook Inlet belugas are hardly the animal rock stars of the arctic. However, the national spotlight is now focused on Alaska as never before. Palin’s unlikely Vice Presidential nomination may actually be a blessing in disguise for these animals who otherwise might have declined in obscurity, fighting off a lawsuit that might have gone unnoticed by the humans in the Lower 48.

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444 responses

17 10 2008
climbergal

GAAAH! I can’t take much more of this nonsense… Belugas for Obama!

17 10 2008
Michele aka Mullet Troll Palin

Watch Keith Olbermann! He’s going at it with all deliberate speed.

17 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

Beluga whales, Polar bears, killing wolves from airplanes… Right up SP’s alley.

17 10 2008
Mole Valdez Palin

Keith Olbermann just hinted that McCain pulled Palin from his fanny when he chose her as his VP. Go Keith.

17 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

I spent an afternoon communing with a particular friendly Beluga a few years ago. What a beautiful smile he/she had. It was magical. We cannot lose these fellow creatures.

17 10 2008
Bev

Okay I’ll cede that the blessing in disguise of Palin’s nomination is the notice of the Lower 48 on the various issues that may seem Alaska only related but are truly globally related. Now will you take her back, please?

17 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Delay Palin!!!

17 10 2008
witsendnj

I do appreciate your fondness for wildlife, and the horrible loss we are facing.

I live in New Jersey and although I am not an expert scientist by any means, I am a life-long devoted observer of nature and particularly trees.

It appears obvious to me that ALL the trees in this region are dying, however, everyone but me seems oblivious. It makes me feel like I am going crazy! From what I see these past 8 weeks or so, every type of tree is horribly stressed. Hickory, locust, ash, sycamore, and black walnuts look particularly bare.

I recently took a trip to Newport, Rhode Island and all the way there I saw the same thing – trees whose leaves are scorched, crowns are thin or gone entirely. The vast majority of evergreens have yellowing needles and are bursting with cones, a signal of impending demise.

The decline is so prevalent and is affecting every age and every species of deciduous and coniferous tree. I believe no one disease or pollutant can be the cause, which most likely is the lack of water due to climate change. Assuming this is true, the situation will only worsen. From what I have read, once a tree exhibits the clear symptoms of decline, such as are readily evident and ubiquitous already, it cannot be reversed and it is only a matter of time before it dies completely.

I have contacted the state drought monitoring agency and they claim there is no drought. However, their measurement of aquifers does not reflect the change in rainfall patterns, which have gone from more frequent, gentler showers to infrequent heavy downpours. The state officials seem to willfully wish not to expand their criteria of what constitutes a threat.

It seems to me the trees are dying of thirst. When they are all dead, a few years hence, they will present an enormous fire risk, as well as fall all over power and telephone lines, greatly disrupting the business of daily life. All the birds that nest in trees will die. The insect population will explode. And I’m sure there are countless other negative effects, not to mention, the tragic loss of natural beauty.

I personally live on a small farm with hundreds of dying trees and from past experience I know it costs easily $1000 to have a good sized tree removed. I certainly can’t afford that!

It is amazing and frightening to me that there is not even any discussion about what is happening in plain view.

Thank you for reading my rant.

Sincerely,

Gail Zawacki
Oldwick NJ

17 10 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

I’m in the top 10 I guess!

17 10 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

I’m in the top 10 I guess!

17 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

she is pure evil. Whales are sacred creatures. And those Belugas and their brethren up there in Alaska-land need the Feds to protect them from that monstrous woman. Thank goodness they did.

17 10 2008
Laura Lee aka Krinkle Bearcat Palin

I’m through listening to Palin or even Tina portray Palin. Every since she opened her mouth at the convention my B.S. sonar went ballistic!

I just can’t stand it any longer and definitely won’t be watching SNL (I know who cares but she’s an idiot and like I said before I’d be really surprised if she actually sticks to a “script.”) And no You/Me/Theytube on anything about her. Out of sight and out of mind. I’m stressing out way too much and am seriously concerned for our future. It’s all happy thoughts of a happy president in the happy house.

P.S. The dinner speech last night was awesome!!!

17 10 2008
NMJ

Apologies, OT, but the letter the Obama campaign sent to the Justice Department demanding investigation into Rethugs’ voter manipulation is here (KO just talked about it):

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM106_obama_doj_letter.html

17 10 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

Am I in the top 10?

17 10 2008
NMJ

Apologies, OT, but the letter the Obama campaign sent to the Justice Department demanding investigation into Rethugs’ voter manipulation is here (KO just talked about it):

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM106_obama_doj_letter.html

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Anybody besides me who grew up with Raffi’s Baby Beluga? Palin needs to be stopped. This is an outrage.

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Sorry, not me, my kids… I am waaaaaaaaaaay older than that🙂

17 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

@ witsendnj (16:18:31)

“The vast majority of evergreens have yellowing needles and are bursting with cones, a signal of impending demise.”

Thank you for the information and your concern. I have been confused about the state of the evergreens around me. I’m distressed to hear they may be past help, but at least glad to have some understanding of the situation.

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

@witsendnj (16:18:31) :Same thing is happening in the Colorado mountains. I am a tree hugger from way back and the concerned folks there are working to stop the decimation of their forests in Rocky Mt. Nat’l Park.

17 10 2008
5 Little Hussein Peppers who love 'that one'

Nebraska Native my kids grew up with Raffis Baby Beluga too!! I guess the Palin kids did not?

17 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

I think it’s time the World Wildlife Fund used the Paling image as an example of nature’s enemy – a despoiler of our planet. She obviously doesn’t care a whit for her children’s future. At the rate she’s going, she will do everything possible to expedite the end of life as we know it.

The sooner she’s sent packing, the better. Given the types that are attracted to her (from what I have seen of her ‘rally followers’), she is just a walking and yapping advertisement for how low America has allowed these sick creatures to drag it.

17 10 2008
Anonymous

drill,kill, use it up, exploit the earth, lie thru your teeth with a smile and a wink, hide from questions, preach fear and division.
WTF how does she get away with all this.

I need a drink

17 10 2008
5 Little Hussein Peppers who love 'that one'

Racheal M is having something on tonight about Michelle Bachmann interview w/CM also an article on Huff Po…

17 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

Our coast redwoods, here in Northern California, are doing just fine on their own. They even survive fires very well due to their thick bark.

Their only real enemy is loggers. Fortunately, many environmental organizations have raised funds to buy up the lands they grow on, in order to protect them.

I’m sure if McPalin had their way, I’d be seeing Oregon from my front door instead of 200 to 300 foot tall trees that can be older than 2000 years.

I hope experts in areas you guys have mentioned are looking into the problems you are describing.

17 10 2008
kate aka chin duststrap

My kids used to listen to Baby Beluga all the time. They live in the St. Lawrence river too I think. [The belugas-not my kids!] Raffi wrote it so long ago to illustrate they were dying out then.

17 10 2008
SMR

If you want to know why stuff like this keeps happening listen to a stream of the NPR Science Friday show from today. There were actually callers questioning the validity of global warming. I didn’t think there were really people out there that didn’t believe it — apart from Bible Spice and those who attend her church — it’s inconceivable to me that people don’t understand that there has to be some adverse affect when everyone is driving huge cars, cutting down forests, dumping garbage in the ocean, etc.

Alaska is like a little microcosm of the rest of the world in terms of global warming and the effects of plundering mineral wealth… It’s scary up here.

17 10 2008
Lana, KY

I think people like Sarah who believe in the “Rapture” actually care very little for the here and now ~ or whatever inhabits the planet, including all of us.

17 10 2008
Mole Valdez Palin

Chris backed the one pony show knows as Michelle Bachmann into a corner tonight. Rachel should tear Michelle’s comments apart.

17 10 2008
Michele aka Mullet Troll Palin

I too had a strange and wonderful experience with two beluga whales who seemed to want to communicate with the humans who had confined them–it was in a Seattle zoo on a day when no one else was there. These two belugas knew we were there and actually connected with us–not a performance or anything like it. What lovely, stunning creatures. It’s so sad to see their disappearance in the wild–if all we ever have of the wilderness is the caged equivalent, we will be a sadder, sorrier place. Shame on Sarah Palin and her ilk.

17 10 2008
Deb

this is a difficult thread for me…I can ALMOST sanely deal with her attacks against obama…but, I can’t handle attacks on animals

17 10 2008
Deb

lana-
when I watch some of the rethugs latest attacks, I’m thinking palin has pretty much converted them ALL into believing in eminent “rapture” belief….otherwise, why throw the AMERICAN constitution under the bus?

17 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

Beluga? Isn’t that the name of a type of caviar? I thought I heard that on TV at one time or another. Just curious.

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Joy,

Beluga caviar comes from the beluga sturgeon not the whale.

17 10 2008
Deb

beluga caviar is made from the eggs of the beluga whalesturgeon….it is very tasty….but, obviously, leads to decrease in beluga whale sturgeon population! (which, in turn, makes it MORE expensive)
those of us who love caviar….love it, but not at the expense of a whale sturgeon POPULATION

Corrections by AKM, and also noted below.

17 10 2008
sami hussein hawaii

dear AKM – thanks for all the latest info on endangered species. palin et al are sick greedy people.

17 10 2008
Deb

has anyone seen any announcement about tina few actualy APPEARING with sarah palin on SNL? she doesn’t need the $$…nor the exposure…..so why would few appear with palin given the fact that few said if palin won, she would have to leave the PLANET

17 10 2008
Deb

damn…tina FEY, not few

17 10 2008
sami hussein hawaii

i’m voting for THAT ONE!

ps: i saw a good nickname:

O-bee/Joe-bee for ’08!

17 10 2008
Dee

According to the beliefs of Palin and her ilk, God has put here on the earth all the plants and animals for us to “use up” in whatever way we see fit. If, indeed, there is a God, I hope it’s the God I envision who put all the plants and animals here on earth for us to live with in harmony and appreciation of their beauty and uniqueness.
On another note, there is an article on FreeRepublic suggesting that the 2 books that Barack Obama has written were actually written by Bill Ayers. I KID YOU NOT! These people are beneath contempt!

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Deb:

“beluga caviar is made from the eggs of the beluga whale…”

No No No…. beluga sturgeon not whale

17 10 2008
Teresa

THAT ONE Tired mom is right, Beluga caviar is caviar consisting of the roe (or eggs) of the Beluga “sturgeon” found primarily in the Caspian Sea.

17 10 2008
Deb

this is so odd, but because i cannot actually tolerate watching palin talking LIVE, I read her speeches…and, even now, she speaks in incomplete PHRASES, not sentences! but gawd, we love her….and yet, we complain about the educational system when we are willing to accept this?

17 10 2008
Dee

Beluga caviar comes from the Beluga sturgeon found mainly in the Caspian Sea

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Whew!! Didn’t want anyone thinking they are killing the cute little whales for caviar!!

17 10 2008
nswfm

In Southern California, there have been a few whales that washed up on the shore injured then dead, likely because of ship traffic in the Santa Barbara Channel, between California and the Channel Islands (yes, I really can see two of them from my house!).

The world’s largest mining company, the Australian BHP Billiton, abusive to the indiginous people, the environment, etc. wanted to put an experimental LNG regasification platform off shore, Cabrillo Port http://www.vcreporter.com/cms/story/detail/?id=4523&IssueNum=119, near the Channel Islands National Park. http://www.nps.gov/chis/

The reason I bring this up is that a coalition of wealthy Malibu residents , poor Latinos and regular middle class Ventura County residents and children BEAT THIS PROPOSAL DOWN, by getting educated, working together and helping each other when we were down.

We can do it again, fellow Americans. OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

WTF?? Did anyone notice the camera on Rachel just now?

17 10 2008
Deb

THAT one – color me red! you are right…I think I was just salivating at thought of caviar1

17 10 2008
Michele

The ADN says that Mark Begich is also vehemently opposed to this listing. What’s the story there?

17 10 2008
Deb

lol that one…I thought maybe I had already had too much wine! say it ain’t so, joe!

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

mmmm… caviar …. a distant memory …. this economy will make sure I won’t be eating it again for quite a while – not that it’s a regular thing at my house, but have had it at a few parties over the years…

17 10 2008
Dee

Sorry, didn’t mean to repeat what has already been stated.

17 10 2008
Deb

ok….this whole accusation about ACORN seems kind of ludicrous…..every video I have seen of acorn workers shows them as kind of “inner city” people….bad bad bad minorities/poorer people for trying to encourage voting in “those” neighborhoods!

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Dee, it’s ok … we repeat ourselves all the time here!

17 10 2008
nswfm

If my earlier comment appears about beating back BHP Billiton, I should also add that this region with the Channel Islands National Park is considered America’s Galapagos and inland, the intersection of the cold currents from Alaska combining with the warmer currents from the south create a very diverse plant and animal life. I am lucky to have grown up here.

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

I tend to eat colored tapioca and pretend🙂 BTW Rachel’s “serenity” is being stretched tonight. I mean this in the nicest way– how did Palin get elected to anything?

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Sigh. Endangered species, my own hideous (well, not mine, but from my state) Michelle Bachmann (she tried to eavesdrop at a gay pride ralley once, then denied it when she was caught), and more chicanery by the Republicans, oh my!

Will it never end?

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Nebraska

LOL I prefer tapioca myself

17 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

I mute the sound when Sarah comes on because her voice is so annoying..Does anyone else do the same?

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

@asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN watch Rachel… she is rumored to talk about the her tonight.

17 10 2008
Deb

That one….last time I had “really good” caviar was at the turn of the millenium….seemed like a good enough reason to splurge!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

@Deb, this taking down ACORN thing has been going on for a while. If poor people of colored voted, an overwhelming majority of them would vote Democratic, which scares the Republicans to no end. So, they must bust out the big guns to sow seeds of fear and doubt, to suppress legitimate voter registration, and, in other words, cheat, cheat, cheat. I fear it will get worse before it gets better.

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

about her… fingers are typing independently of the brain tonight, also.

17 10 2008
Deep Blue in VA

@Lana, KY (16:45:30) :

‘I think people like Sarah who believe in the “Rapture” actually care very little for the here and now ~ or whatever inhabits the planet, including all of us.”

I agree with this – I kept wondering why/how Palin could disply such a disconnect re: protecting nature when she was raised in Alaska. But then I read about an interview with her where she admitted she believed the end of the world would be during her lifetime. If you truly believe that, then I guess it makes sense to rape the earth for profit and enjoy the money while you still have time.

17 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

>Mole Valdez Palin (16:05:27) :

Keith Olbermann just hinted that McCain pulled Palin from his fanny when he chose her as his VP. Go Keith.<

I think McCain pulled Palin from Franklin Graham’s fanny along with the rest of the religious right.

I don’t know a thing about beluga whales, but I do know alot about gopher tortoises, indigo snakes and pine snakes in Georgia. And what I know is this…regardless of government putting them on the protected list or saying they’re protected, here, at least, there is no incentive to keep a place for them. Nobody thinks about these “lesser creatures”. Gopher tortoises are extremely important to many other animals on the sand ridges – snakes, lizards, and birds, but to most, that is prime development opportunity. I’ve seen folks move to the country – but they really don’t want to make a place for the creatures that were there first. It saddens me that most most folks don’t take a ‘wander’ just to see what’s moving around them. It saddens me that most are afraid of lizards and snakes and they’re really not interested in meeting their neighbors and learning more about them.

I feed birds and I am constantly amazed that folks that come into my house and enjoy watching them, aren’t the least bit curious about them. A cardinal is a redbird, a chickadee is a little bird, a hummingbird is a moth (?!).

We live on the backs of this creatures – without them we will pass into extinction.

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Too funny Deb, that’s the last time I had it as well … what a great party that was (I think) LOL

17 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Sorry, divide that 1st most by 2.

17 10 2008
Deb

rachel is damn good, isn’t she?

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Actually, me, too with real caviar. Shall we break another tin out for the election parties?

17 10 2008
nswfm

this is about the ship strikes and the whales in my disappearing post:
http://channelislands.noaa.gov/focus/alert.html
During the fall of 2007 there were four confirmed blue whale fatalities in the Santa Barbara Channel. Previously, the greatest number of blue whale fatalities in one year off of California was three (1988 and 2002 respectively), and these fatalities were separated by hundreds of miles (Marin to San Diego County in 2002) and several months. Of the whales that were examined, including a pregnant adult female with a fetus, all were determined to be struck by ships. The reason for this level of ship strikes in a relatively small area is speculative but may be related to an unusually shallow and/or dense aggregation of krill or increased local density of whales in the Santa Barbara Channel.
NOAA Fisheries, the federal agency responsible for protecting marine mammals and endangered marine life, designated the situation as an Unusual Mortality Event (UME).

17 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Sorry, I obviously like that ‘most’ word. If their to many together, please remove one.

17 10 2008
Deb

oh wow, nebraska…being in colorado, we aren’t that far apart…..when obama wins I will be ready to celebrate!!

17 10 2008
sami hussein hawaii

@witsendnj (16:18:31) :

It appears obvious to me that ALL the trees in this region are dying, however, everyone but me seems oblivious. It makes me feel like I am going crazy! From what I see these past 8 weeks or so, every type of tree is horribly stressed. Hickory, locust, ash, sycamore, and black walnuts look particularly bare.

Dear witsendnj – you aren’t going crazy…below are some links verifying that our trees are indeed dying at an unprecedented rate:

From Publishers Weekly
In a thoroughly researched book, Little (Hope for the Land) documents the depressing state of U.S. forests. Individual trees are dying at unprecedented rates, numerous woody species are at risk of extinction and the country’s forests are disappearing as intact ecosystems. The devastation stretches across the land and is eerily similar to losses observed in Europe. Although the immediate cause of death varies, Little and the numerous ecologists and foresters whom he interviewed argue convincingly that the best explanation is ultimately the environmental havoc humans have wrought. Acid rain, heavy metal contamination, smog, increased ultraviolet rays streaming through the growing hole in the ozone layer and atrocious management of forests?from clear-cutting to fire suppression?have so weakened individual trees, as well as ecosystems, that once-routine pests may now be responsible for destruction on an unprecedented scale. This book should significantly alter the way we think about our relationship to the natural world.

http://www.dieoff.org/page47.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Trees-Charles-E-Little/dp/0140158723

Trees dying trend in USA and Germany:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE4DB1E3EF935A15753C1A961948260

Trees dying in Virginia:
http://www.dof.virginia.gov/press/nr-2005-08-08-Oaks.shtml

Trees dying in California:
http://quake.usgs.gov/prepare/factsheets/CO2/index.html

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Good idea Nebraska — champagne dreams and caviar wishes!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

I can’t stand watching or listening to Palin, either. I tend to read her comments so my head won’t explode. Even then, it’s hard to understand what she’s trying to say because she gets lost in a word salad.

Oh! Tina Fey on Letterman tonight, and she has some funny things to say about Palin. I trust her if she shows up next to Palin, she will not pander.

I will have to wait until tonight’s episode of Rachel’s show goes online because I don’t have cable. I can’t wait to see her skewer Bachmann. Bachmann is another pol I can’t stand to listen to or to watch. Also, Norm Coleman. Or Tim Pawlenty.

Thank God for Keith Ellison.

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Deb… we can party on Mudflats together! Are you coming for “the game?” That would be fun, I don’t care about football, but it would be fun to meet you🙂

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Here goes Rachel on the crazy congresswoman

17 10 2008
Dee

Saw on HuffPo that McCaine is using the same company for robocalls that smeared him in S. Carolina in 2000. I have already received 2 of them and numerous “hangups” which I suspect were robocalls that failed to connect.

And Michelle Bachman is an ABSOLUTE ASS!!!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Joe Biden, comes out swingin’ again. Way to go, Joe!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/biden-blasts-palins-pro-a_n_135745.html

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Here comes Bachmann…. on Rachel… since she appeared on Chris Matthew’s show this PM, Tinkle something has received $30, 000 in donations! Isn’t that sweet!!!!

17 10 2008
Deb

this is actually funny….I’m registered INDEPENDENT…in colorado….
and last night I even called the RNC to complain about robo-calls…I have YET (nor in any previous election) to get a call from the RNC!!
one would think they would be concerned about us “independent” voters….but, not in my case

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Hm. Bachmann is up for re-election, I think. Maybe it’s time to get her back in MN, too. Not that I want her here, mind you, but she’s a menace to society.

17 10 2008
Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

Deb (16:53:45) : Beluga whales (Delphinapterus leucas) are mammals, hence do not lay eggs. Live birth like all mammals except Duckbill Platapus. You’re thinking of Beluga sturgeon. Not slamming you, Deb, only clarifying.

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Deb (16:53:45) :
“Beluga caviar is caviar consisting of the roe (or eggs) of the Beluga sturgeon”
I know it’s wikipedia, but I wanted to get that in quickly before we get sidetracked by trtolls.

17 10 2008
Deb

asian….I have already donated $$ to her dem opponent…and her opponent has received $30,000 in donations since her MAJOR faux pas about AMERICA

17 10 2008
Anonymous
17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

@asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN (17:17:56) : I think the response by the people with the huge donations to her opponent might give her pause at least. You may need to make room for her back in MN and that would be a wonderful thing.

17 10 2008
Deb

eaj….I realized and acknowledged my caviar error earlier…but I STILL love it!

17 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

Dee (16:57:41) :

“According to the beliefs of Palin and her ilk, God has put here on the earth all the plants and animals for us to “use up” in whatever way we see fit. If, indeed, there is a God, I hope it’s the God I envision who put all the plants and animals here on earth for us to live with in harmony ”
Palin and her ilk are “dominist’s believing that man has dominion over the plant and animal kingdom” Most religions stress to walk softy and the earth and try to be steward of the earth and its plants and animals. Here is a quote from a blog:

Christo-fascism, Christianist, Domionist

I don’t know exactly what to call it, but in this season of increasing political news and upcoming elections I have to join with my good friend Paul and point to something very dangerous in our American Church. For the last several years an element of American Christianity as been very closely associated with a narrow political platform, and transforming itself into something barely recognizable as historically Christian. What has our Faith become? What do those outside the Church see us as? For a disturbing glimpse see the image on this post, or the link.
Link:
http://atheism.about.com/od/religiousright/ig/Christian-Propaganda-Posters/God-Conservative-Republican.htm
The link is disturbing, has a picture of a cross that says “God is a Republican”

This is the narrow minded fascism you see at Palin rallies.
At the end of the link…the cross with “God is a repubican…he says”This image is based on a Nazi propaganda poster” So this is what we are really fighting against.

17 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

Sarah is our penance…Rachel is our reward.

17 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin
17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

BTW I should mention that the Beluga sturgeon is under threat from over fishing [http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080304093748.htm]

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Anon – too funny! loves it!

17 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

Thanks for all the answers WRT Beluga caviar!

17 10 2008
Deb

I do stand by my statement that beluga caviar is expensive because of overfishing

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

We need Raffi again to sing about Baby Belugas… and I think I need more wine.

17 10 2008
pamela

One of the highlights of my trips to Alaska was watching whales. Aside from the ethical issues of despoiling the planet and exterminating wildlife, you’d think SP might recognize that tourism which is pretty important to Alaska, depends on wildlife and wilderness. I guess, however, the oil industry has a greater impact/influence on the Alaskan economy than tourism.

BTW, for those of you who don’t get cable, Talking Points memo has excerpts from the Michelle Bachmann meltdown. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ My not-very-political husband heard some of this and simply couldn’t believe this was coming from a member of congress.

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Deb i should add that I love it as well, but have to stick to whitefish caviar.

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Well dog gone it… It looks like we are back to colored tapioca for caviar. Thanks Bush et al.

17 10 2008
Deb

I’m laughing because we mudflatters wander off on topics…and we are now discussing CAVIAR….damn, you rethugs for calling us “elitists”!!!!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Mudflatters, what was Bachmann’s gaffe? I am off to donate to her opponent, even though she isn’t MY rep. I know a great place for her once she returns (we have over twelve-thousand lakes. Let her go ice-fishing all winter long).

Crap. She’s starting the Obama anti-American crap? Damn her!

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Well dog gone it… It looks like we are back to colored tapioca for caviar. Thanks Bush et al.

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

something I just received in my email … hmmmmm
545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.

You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices. 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? The leader of the majority party. He/She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it’s because they want them in IRAQ .

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like ‘the economy,’ ‘inflation,’ or ‘politics’ that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

17 10 2008
Deb

ok….because my laptop has a big “honkin” screen…I can either sit here and post, or finish watching rachel
….choices, choices (because of my setup….I need to buy a new power connection for my laptop to take it where my tv is)….

I will finish rachel and be back!!

17 10 2008
Dee

caligirl……scary stuff, isn’t it?

17 10 2008
Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

Crust Scramble – SouthGA (17:10:11) :
I see the same thing here in the Mohave desert, no recognition that ALL desert snakes aren’t poisonous: Gopher, King, Coachwhip, kill ’em all. Hell, after years they still think Sonoran Gopher snakes are “bull” snakes, Western Coachwhips are “red racers”, I tried for years to educate people up here, NAH, the mind is made up, don’t confuse it with facts.(Kinda like the reactionary right) They move in from somedamnanywhere and bring the names and mindset with them. As a wildlife (fisheries) biologist it really pushes my buttons.
I had a fine afternoon some years ago climbing on the basalt above Bird Creek, a spring tide tidal bore and Beluka on the same afternoon.(and No I didn’t misspell Beluka)

17 10 2008
pamela

Dee and Deb,

ABC is reporting that Susan Collins (R-ME) has asked the McCain campaign to stop the robo-calls. I suppose a cynical person might think she’s afraid of a backlash, since she’s running for re-election, but she’s ahead in the polls, so I’d rather think that Collins simply feels that this is not a line that should be crossed.

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Rankle.. excuse my ignorance… fisheries, are those used for food production? We have farm raised fisheries here and there are rumors those fish are not really safe for consumption. I hope I don’t sound as stupid as I feel right now…

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Oh.my.god. I am so sorry, America, that we unleashed this woman on the country. She is not representative of MN, by far. Most of us have a brain and can think for ourselves.

Unfortunately, it seems that many extremely conservative right-wing Republican women think they have to out-dick the dicks in their party in order to be taken seriously (while still putting on lipstick). I can’t even watch the whole thing because her level of ignorance is about the same as Palin’s. I am not donating to her opponent.

Help us all.

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

What chaps my hide is that Chris Matthews doesn’t excoriate her for all her misspoken nonsense. Go, Elwyn Tinklenberg. You may have a strange name (like I am one to talk), but at least you have a brain.

17 10 2008
Dee

I have SUCH a girl crush on Rachel Maddow, She is just terrrrific!!!

17 10 2008
Dee

I have SUCH a girl crush on Rachel Maddow, She is just terrrrific!!!

17 10 2008
Territorial babe

I’m pretty sure A.C.O.R.N. was brought up at the last election, maybe the one before that?–it’s a tactic of that particular political party.
I’d been gone from AK since the early 80’s, and personally, it does seem ignoble and somewhat humiliating that all this brouhaha erupted and the tundra is getting a little hotter, but it’s been informative. As for the matter of fellow mammalian dishonor, it all seemed to hit the fan for me with Exxon Valdez, but of course those bent on maintaining ‘self-destruct’ mode (i.e. Ms. Palin and her ilk) would try to counter with some babble about abortions.
Figuratively speaking, I wonder at point as Mr. McCain strips to his underwear that the ‘others’ will notice the emperor is quickly disrobing and it ain’t lookin’ good..

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

@ asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN (17:35:56) :He made some money as a result of her hubris (what a great word) and ignorance. Maybe she needs to hit the road and campaign since she is so helpful to him!

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

we all seem to have a crush on Rachel! She’s so smart, so witty, so darn cute!

17 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

Contributing to Tinklenberg makes you feel really good. Hey, just eat out one time less..

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

The National polls are now starting to get some post-debate data. Obama has a lead in all of them, with the average being 6.3%. By Monday we should know how much the third debate changed the national picture.
– Battleground (Obama +6)
– Diageo (Obama + 8)
– Gallup (Obama +6)
– IBD (Obama +3)
– Rasmussen (Obama +4)
– Research 2000 (Obama +11)
– Zogby (Obama +6)

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

OMG Rachel mentioned AIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another girl crush confession.

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

LOL, naturally it’s a cool 8

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Rachel brought up the AIP – Palin connection again!!! Go Rachel

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Hi Aussie!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Oops. That should have said NOW donating to her opponent, of course. My indignation spilleth over.

@Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin, well maybe the people of her district are beginning to realize just what fresh hell she is. She and Palin are carbon copies of her, and despite all evidence to the contrary, Minnesota is a pretty blue state, especially socially.

I am tired of liberal = un-American. Where has the so-called conservatism gotten us?

As for Rachel, she’s mine. Smart, cute, funny, and tall–a great combination.

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Now, now asianHusseingrrl you must share Rachel

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

I believe Ripley called dibs on Rachel a couple of nights ago, but Ripley is not here right now, so go for it🙂

17 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin (17:29:56) :

So nice to hear of somebody else who’s not afraid of their ‘weird’ neighbors. I love it when I walk outside and see one of the broad headed skinks or southern fence lizards hanging out. Love walking around and seeing the tracks left. And I love it that I notice.

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

And for a lighter moment, here is a funny video from some of the fired-up youth for Obama:

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/take-back-the-c.html

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

“Dee (17:14:39) :
Saw on HuffPo that McCaine is using the same company for robocalls”

Tucker Bounds defends them saying, “These calls are based on hard facts.” Perhaps based on – but then again most other works of fiction are based on hard facts, especially horror stories. Talk about your definition of “truthiness.”

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

I think as time goes on we will be witnessing “The McCaine Mutiny”

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

I just got back from the first Mudflats fest here in Pittsburgh. It was wonderful spending the evening with such intelligent and well informed people.

When the bill came, we each contributed cash towards the check. Once it was counted up it turned out that the excess $ contributed from the 11 of us meant a tip of nearly 30 percent.

I told the group that our common generousity was because we are Democrats, you know, “share the wealth.”

Pictures of our group will be submitted to Mudflats for possible posting.

17 10 2008
antiAnti

McCaine Mutiny !!!! yay Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

17 10 2008
SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin

OK, I’m confused. Have to admit I’ve never tried caviar, but I do love tapioca. Am I far enough off topic yet?
I’ve never seen beluga whales, either, but I can relate to those who have had meaningful meetings/communications with any animal. They have a lot to teach us and share with us; frequently, it’s not that hard to figure out if you’re paying attention. Animals are also very honest. We can learn a lot from them.
Just returned from dinner, where I consumed mass quantities of Chianti–as if my post doesn’t make it pretty obvious. It was GOOD.
Guess it is now time to go to bed and wake up to the next Bed Time in Alaska thread… my typing is deteriorating and I need to lie down and forget about politics for a while.
At least, until the morning.
Good night Mud flatters!

17 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

Dee (17:28:19) :

caligirl……scary stuff, isn’t it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Palin is basically a Nazi/fascist dressed up as a ‘Christian” She does not represent any Christians I know!
She right now has the “Ultra consevitive Right wing Christian/Dominoist’s funding her”
Those fleet of lawyers that came from Texas to try to stop “troopergate”
The only thing that will take her down is all her misdeeds in Alaska. Otherwise she will be back in 2012. She has tasted power.
The people of Alaska will have a big job when she come’s back. I hope that we on the “outside” can help b/c she was up for a “national office of VP” and had done all these bad things.
WE CANNOT LET UP on her When Obama, become POTUS.

17 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Eyes – Good for y’all!!! Share that wealth! Waitresses work very hard for their money

17 10 2008
Dee

My understanding is that calls such as these are illegal if there is not a live person on the other end. Guess each state has it’s own laws about this. I live in PA and I am a registered Democrat and I have NEVER before received mailings and phone calls from the opposite party. I volunteered for the Obama campaign in my hometown (fairly small) so I guess I’m living in one of those “pro America” places. Teehee!!

And Tucker Bounds is a MAJOR @#$@#$@!!!

17 10 2008
Deb

as a pacifist protestor of the ’60s…who would nevr have gone t the violence proposed by different groups/individuals against the war at that time….I would say this to ayers….in the ’60s violence was the most obvious/attention getting device to protest the war…..if we fast forward to 2008 and our society….we are USED to violence on our streets/ we are USED to violence waged on our very shores by other countries….this election has become a “war” waged using lies and accusations and so, to, ayers who was willing to “play by the rules of violence offered by a government of the ’60s…I would say..bill…in protesting this crap…..protest…using LIES if you must……apologize, grovel, say you REPENT….even though those of us who were “there” KNOW why you did what you did…..LIE, bill, LIE….it is today’s weapon!!! but save america!

17 10 2008
calico cat

@ “that one”MN, i actually met Normie once (shudder) he was running for his current office, and someone in the Como neighborhood had a meet & greet for him. we were living there at the time, and spouse wanted to go. Normie went around the backyard and kept telling everyone what a nice lawn it was and how his lawn is all ripped apart because he had young kids who ran around. and then he addressed the crowd with the same story. Spouse tells me he thinks Normie is being groomed for a presidential run in one of the next few rounds.

anyhow, related to the wildlife issues, there are also issues with increases in pet surrenders to shelters. people are saying they can’t afford to feed their pets any more in this economy. i have LOTS of pets. i had to turn off the radio when that story came on.

17 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh (17:52:49) :
I told the group that our common generousity was because we are Democrats, you know, “share the wealth.”
That’s just awesome, I LOVE it!
Dems “Share the wealth” LOL!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

@calico cat.

Gack. Gov. Pawlenty was supposedly one of the top three choices for McCain’s VP. How did that work out for you, Tim? No, Coleman is slimy and untrustworthy. Believe me, the country wants no part of him.

17 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Thanks antiAnti… G’night Mudpuppies, I must back away from the computer as I am trying to control my obsession. 🙂

17 10 2008
Dee

Oops, my English teacher dad (deceased) forces me to correct my “it’s” to ‘its’.

17 10 2008
SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin

Ok, I’ll go to bed in a minute, but I just reread a few posts. Charlie Reese certainly has a point–some very good ones, in fact!–but here’s the problem: why vote them out if we can’t do BETTER??? I was checking out my current Congressman’s site, just a few days ago. He’s got tenure and is well-regarded, but I know he’s playing fast and loose with us all, in some ways. Despite his seniority, I’d have no problem voting him out of office for a better deal. However, I took a look at the only person opposing him. OMG!!! I’m afraid I’d have to have a double lobotomy before I could even entertain voting for the opposition–and I just don’t have the resources to run myself.
so now what do we do, Charlie Reese?
And now, it’s really good night.
Sleep well, Mud Puppy Pals. I’m sure I will.

17 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

A local, and an unscientific, poll is filled with a lot of sugar and – spice.

The Busken Bakery’s “presidential cookie poll” started earlier this month with the sale of cookies with Barack Obama, John McCain, Sarah Palin and Joe Biden’s images.

Busken Bakery says so far they’ve sold nearly 4,000 Obama cookies as compared to just over 1,600 McCain cookies.

The bakery says that in the past, the winner of its cookie poll also won the general election.

News from Ohio..
I’ll take 2 dozen Obama cookies…

17 10 2008
otrplm

love it, love it, love it. You folks are the best. Go Obama 08

17 10 2008
Deb

LOL@ SC other than texture caviar is NOHING like caviar!! don’t be fooled! it is an acquired taste, like sushi!

17 10 2008
Deb

oops…caviar is NOTHING like tapioca

17 10 2008
Deb

cali–you pretty much “got it”….we are anti-american because we want to “share the wealth” (far be it for us “workers” to want a share of those CEO’s BILLION dollar profits!!! how “un-american” of us!)

17 10 2008
Dee

Gotta go to bed. Did you all hear Rachel laugh about the dumb old fart who thought Obama was speaking in front of his “own potentate, dictator flag” in Ohio? It was the damn flag of the state of OHIO!!!

17 10 2008
tspey

Each year, during drives down the Seward Highway on various fly fishing trips I look forward to the good chance of seeing belugas chasing salmon. A decade ago, I remember counting well over a hundred at a time. In the last few years I’ve noticed fewer and fewer belugas. This past season was the very first where I did not see a single beluga whale.

Sarah’s solution for nearly all of her State’s needs are to Drill. Mine. Drill. Be it in ANWR or Bristol Bay, Palin cares not for repercussions to future generations of species or humans for that matter. Everything about Palin is about the now.

Tina Fey got it wrong when she said she would leave the planet if M/P win. M/P should be the ones leaving on a one way shuttle to outerspace filled with the likes of McCain, the Palins, Colberg, Stapleton, O’Callaghan, Van Flein, Rove, Bush, Cheney, Bounds, Bachman… Oh what a wonderful it would be…

(smiling at the mind movie of Cook Inlet belugas waving good-bye to the shuttle with their flippers)… AKM

17 10 2008
Deb

OMG!!! newsflash….state flag of OHIO is now “un-american”????

17 10 2008
pamela

@Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin (17:50:39)

“McCaine Mutiny” – do you mean McCain revolting against his own campaign? Sometimes I think we’re seeing McCain’s evil twin and the McCain who ran in 2000 will one day wake up and feel only revulsion about the campaign he has run.

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN (17:26:22) :

Mudflatters, what was Bachmann’s gaffe? I am off to donate to her opponent, even though she isn’t MY rep. I know a great place for her once she returns (we have over twelve-thousand lakes. Let her go ice-fishing all winter long).

Oh no you don’t! She’s not welcome in the upnorth lake country. No, no, no! We didn’t elect her either!! You’ll have to come up with plan B.

In all seriousness, though. Big thanks to mudpuppies and mud puppy wannabees who helped her opponent Elwyn Tinklenberg rake in over 30,000.00 from outraged Americans in the last several hours since Bachmann’s idiocy on national TV. For those of you who missed this info in the last thread. Here’s where you can donate to Tinklenberg:

http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

And here’s an absolutely fabulous blog to visit:

http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/

Do what you can. It all matters!

hHh

17 10 2008
Deb

one should run the ad “who IS the real john mccain?” playing ads from his joking at dinner last nite and his rally speech today

17 10 2008
calico cat

Don’t know much about Pawlenty. lived there during the Ventura years, and moved in time to get the Mitt Romney years here. I was pretty worried about THAT potential VP pick!

17 10 2008
Deb

upnorth-already “got your back” by donating to tinklenberg

17 10 2008
pamela

@upnorth MN – Do you think Tinkleberg has a chance? I haven’t seen Bachmann mentioned on any list of seats likely to flip.

17 10 2008
daMamma

Is it at all possible for this woman to stoop any lower in her treatment of our wildlife, waterways, land, or people?

17 10 2008
Deb

ok…I have a confession…I have such a crush on KO…that I have to watch the rerun of countdown on the same night!

17 10 2008
Bea

Donations to Tinklenberg up to $52,217 now!!!!

Even if you can only spare $5 it makes a HUGE statement about Michele Bachmann’s McCarthyesque “anti-American investigation” BS!

Donate here Muddies:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660

17 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

AKM – your eloquence brings me to tears…

17 10 2008
Deb

YES!!! wow…..I love “grassroots” politics…..speak out against bachman in ANY way you can!!

17 10 2008
Grandma Nancy MN

I just contributed to Elwyn Tinklenberg. Michelle Bachmann is a disgrace to Minnesota!

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

It was sooooooo neat for 11 different mudflatters from the Pittsburgh region (including W Va) to meet for the first time.

Mudflatters unite! Form your own regional gatherings! Report back to us about it.

17 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

witsendnj (16:18:31) :
Rant On Gail Zawacki from Oldwick NJ!!!!

17 10 2008
Deb

eyes-so all the PA mudflatters met??? we want DETAILS!!! )

17 10 2008
copybook realist

She seems so protective of Moose against the wolves though…..cuz they matter.

She and papa needs the Moose..for survival right? you can’t buy moose meat at Walmart.

This woman is incapabable of compassion and appreciation for wild life.

17 10 2008
pamela

Just donated to Tinklenberg. His web site indicates he’s a Red to Blue candidate, which I think means he’s getting funding from the DCCC. Bachmann is a disgrace.

BTW, I keep hearing rumors that Powell is getting ready to endorse Obama. Has anyone else heard that?

17 10 2008
calico cat

i have read that rumor. i think there was a link on pollster.com

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Mudflatters in Western Pa / West Va.

It was organized by HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Others will be posting details including pictures of us with Pennsylvania and Alaska flags in the background.

17 10 2008
Lana, KY

Just sitting here thinking about all the information I’ve had to digest, choke-on and spit out over the last couple of months. The friends & enemies I’ve made, the neglected house & yard, the skipped meals, the sleepless nights and I FINALLY decided just WHY I’m voting for Obama.
And it is so damn simple.

He makes “ME” feel like I did when I heard John Kennedy’s Inaugural Speech in 1961. And I haven’t felt that way about a politician since. That’s a long time to wait for someone else to come along.

Reread it if you haven’t for awhile & just IMAGINE hearing something like that from Barack. It’s sooooooo easy to do.
There are lots and lots of other reasons I’m voting for him ~ but that’s my biggie. . .

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

17 10 2008
Deb

as a graduate of MIZZOU…one of the great journalism schools in the nation (before INTERNET, and .com news) I have to take a moment to note that many of the great newpapers in the nation (CHICAGO TRIB, CHICAGO SUN, LA TIMES, WASHINGTON POST, ) have all endorsed obama – a few breaking a long republican tradition. This may be the last sigh of newpaper journalism….but, we have to stop and salute their choice in this election!

17 10 2008
calico cat

from pollster.com, which i guess is linking to “politicshome.com” :

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell is scheduled to appear on Meet the Press this Sunday. There has been much speculation by mainstream media and bloggers that Powell will use this appearance to endorse a presidential candidate, but whether it will be Barack Obama or John McCain is still in question.

Today, Online100 panel members predicted which candidate they think Powell will endorse. 75% of the panel thinks Powell will endorse Barack Obama; 12% thinks he will endorse McCain. 13% were unsure of Powell’s choice.

17 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

If McShame had met Joe The friggin’ plumber before he met Sarah the friggin’ governor who would he have chosen and would it have mattered?

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

“Ich bin ein Alaskaner”

LMAO! I can’t wait to see the pictures!! 😀 AKM

17 10 2008
Deb

excuse me for a moment…as I have to go post above about journalism to my right-wing blogger friend, who hails from st louis and claims himself as a journalist

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

Thanks everyone!!! This upnorth MInnesota heart is bursting with gratitude to all of you who “have our back” (to use Deb’s phrase) vis a vis the Michelle Bachman ignominy. And wow…over $50,000.00 raised since she opened her trap this afternoon. I’m overwhelmed. This is what change looks like. We are indeed the change we’ve been waiting for. If anyone needed evidence of the power of the internet and the connections it fosters…I say “looky right here”. Looky see what we can do!

And, yes, Pamela…Tinklenberg does have a chance and no one saw it coming. Whether it’s Obama’s generous coat tails, the economy, or a backlash against her hidiousness, or all of the above and more…he is now neck and neck. It’s close enough so that the DNCC has added him to their Red to Blue list — meaning top priority–and the RNC has raised the SOS call for Bachmann and are ignoring other races in the state to bail her out.

So yes… Tinklenberg can win this. And this extra and unexpected unsolicited support must be overwhelming him with joy and gratitude. He’s a really, really nice guy by the way–humble and very smart. So have confidence that your hard earned and generously gifted money will make a difference to this race.

Honestly… I am overcome with joy and pride and love for all of you, who are helping rid the world of the Bachmann earth-scorching scourge.

hose Hussein hotrod

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

We Pennsylvania Democrats are all Alaskan Mudflatters in spirit.

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

@Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin (17:47:45) :

I believe Ripley called dibs on Rachel a couple of nights ago, but Ripley is not here right now, so go for it

***************

Rachel, in case you ever peek in and we’re not around ….

WE LOVE YOU!😀

17 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

We Alaskans heart all of you!

17 10 2008
New Boston Yankee

I’ve learned so much more about beluga whales, polar bears, Sarah Palin, and the Cook Inlet from this article. And I’m happy that I found your blog before the big blog vote.

17 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

What “big blog vote”?

17 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

We love you too upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama (18:33:33.. We are all in this together. To rid Washington of Bachmann is reward enough for our contributions..

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

By the way. There have been breakouts of Wasilla throughout Ohio and parts of Pennsylvania. Make sure all your friends and families are properly innocculated.

17 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh (18:37:18) :

More details on your get together, PLEASE!

17 10 2008
Laura Lee aka Krinkle Bearcat Palin

upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama (18:33:33) :

Thanks everyone!!! This upnorth MInnesota heart is bursting with gratitude to all of you who “have our back” (to use Deb’s phrase) vis a vis the Michelle Bachman ignominy. And wow…over $50,000.00 raised since she opened her trap this afternoon. I’m overwhelmed.

—————-

It’s almost like we’ve all got our “Maverick” badges on and are kicking the yellow-bellied varmints to the curb…NOT IN OUR TOWN YOU DON’T! In fact, NOT IN OUR AMERICA!!! What a revolution!!!!!! Our forefathers would be so proud;)

17 10 2008
West Virginian

A great time was had by all at the Mini-Mudstock in Pittsburgh! Although I was the lone WV, I was readily accepted by my fellow PA Mudpuppies. It was great to spend a few hours in the company of others who share your views. It was worth the drive for me and I’m glad to have been a part of a “first”.

My repub, non-environmental sister said she doesn’t understand all the talk about plastic bags. She said, “They act as if I just throw them outside. I put them in garbage bags”. There’s just no come back for that.

BTW-I too mute or change the channel when Ms. Palin is speaking. Her voice gives me the creeps! I will NOT be watching SNL.

17 10 2008
DrChill

I cracked up..
John Cleese on Michael Palin and Sarah Palin

http://www.videosurf.com/video/john-cleese-on-sarah-palin-50934514

17 10 2008
drew from little ol texas

The Wolves beg us to send Sara a message!

They, like she claims to be are also Pro-Life !!

17 10 2008
pamela

@judi hussein that one Obama (18:32:08)

If McShame had met Joe The friggin’ plumber before he met Sarah the friggin’ governor who would he have chosen and would it have mattered?

No doubt, McCain would have offered her the nomination only if she could have first convinced Todd to become a plumber!

17 10 2008
pam,s.c.

Love the Beluga whale hate the Gov.

17 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

DrChill (18:45:04) :

I cracked up..

Good one Doc

17 10 2008
pamela

@ upnorth MN,

Warmed my heart to contribute. I only wish the Republican candidate in my district would make such an @$$ of himself – that would probably seal the deal for our local Dem candidate! The really sad part is that I’m sure there are people who agree with her. But change is coming…

17 10 2008
Deb

damn…I think my right-wing blogger “friend” blocked me…after my last post after the debate in which I said something to the effect of “keep government out of my vagina” ( my bad!)

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin) (18:36:27) :

The one from the link in the upper right hand corner “Mudflats is Bloggers’ Choice #1 Political Blog for 2008!”

17 10 2008
bassblue

Todd…………You are Not the father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Suchanut …I do not have all the different attendees blog/Palin names but I believe the organizer, HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin, will be forwarding picts to akmuckraker with a caption of who each of the 11 of us are. I hope that between Hamletsmill and akmuckraker, there will be a detailed article posted on Mudflats. You will recognize many blog/Palin names.

17 10 2008
Laura Lee aka Krinkle Bearcat Palin

Deb (18:50:51) :

damn…I think my right-wing blogger “friend” blocked me…after my last post after the debate in which I said something to the effect of “keep government out of my vagina” ( my bad!)

———-

FUNNY!!! I myself don’t support walking vaginas – only those with brains…:)

17 10 2008
Michele

calico cat (18:10:18) :

I left shortly after the Pawlenty ascension. My only sense of him is that is dumb as dogsh*t, but I could be biased : -). I understand he is not real popular and hasn’t been for quite a while.

Cracked me up that after fighting tooth and nail to kill Ventura’s light rail project, Pawlenty took total credit for it when it, naturally, turned out to be a huge hit.

17 10 2008
empish

The federal government on Friday placed beluga whales that live in Cook Inlet in Alaska on the endangered species list, rejecting efforts by Gov. Sarah Palin and others against increased protection.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/us/18beluga.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

17 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

‘Night guys. Have a restful sleep and wake up ready for another day of fighting for our country.

17 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

Niters Judi

17 10 2008
Deb

that damn government…protecting polar bears and whales!!! I, for one, love animals over government! call me crazy…oh wait…bachman already called me anti-american….so nevermind

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Deb (18:50:51) :

I think you took the wrong approach – You should have told him “I don’t want the government to be my gynecologist. It gets them on all the points: A woman’s right to choose her doctor; B. her right to privacy and confidentiality in the doctor-patient relation; and C. the fact that the government shouldn’t be interfering with these rights, while at the same time it takes off on their riff on socialized medicine .”

17 10 2008
Deb

oooh….very devious…and I LIKE, eaj!

17 10 2008
Deb

hell…I think all of us “anti-american’s” should donate to obama in the name of polar bears, beluga whales, and wolves…and then email her a copy of the donation!

17 10 2008
drew from little ol texas

I hear the Palins be be added to that “Endangered Species” list here in the next year or two !!

Can’t wait !!

17 10 2008
Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago

Good for you Lana… I believe you have made a wise choice.

17 10 2008
ira2

asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN (17:26:22) :

Mudflatters, what was Bachmann’s gaffe? I am off to donate to her opponent, even though she isn’t MY rep. I know a great place for her once she returns (we have over twelve-thousand lakes. Let her go ice-fishing all winter long).

Crap. She’s starting the Obama anti-American crap? Damn her!

Just make sure you lock her in a fish house on a SOUTHERN lake, k? We don’t want any pollution in our still pristine far-from-the-cities up-north lakes!!!

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Sounds like the only critters in Alaska with a high rate of reproduction are the Palins. They seem to be breeding like crazy.

17 10 2008
Deb

drew-at the rate they are “multplying’, married or not I fear the palins will never be “endangered”

17 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Wow. Obama asked Attorney General Mukasi to look into collusion (sp) between Bush-McPalin regarding Voter Fraud scheme.

I am gonna tell you straight up, I am IMPRESSED.

Thank God for Obama.

17 10 2008
Deb

denise- obama has a “tight” campaign….another reason I love him!

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Is Joe the Plumber Trigs real father?

17 10 2008
Deb

yay for mudflatters…we’ve been here for AKM and the anti-palin rallies, and now we are here for anti-bachman “rally”…..we ARE the people, after all!

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

@Deb (18:50:51) :

Guess you’ll just have to sit there smiling smugly. How hard could that be?

At least he didn’t send GOP recruiters to your house.😉

17 10 2008
Trini

Caviar is to Tapioca as Vegetables are to Ketchup!

OK, I know that the Beluga Whale (sea canary) is a mammal. But really, wolves, polar bears, whales…isn’t SWWNBN really saying “Kill baby Kill”? Alaska, please protect our treasures and wonders of the world. Get rid of the B***h.

17 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

Calico cat – if you lived thru the Mitt Romney years then you live in massholechusetts?

Eyes Wide… do all of you pennsyltucky mudflatters have blogs? I wouldn’t mind getting links to all of them so’s I can see what ya alls are writing about.

17 10 2008
calico cat

sauerkraut, youbetcha!

17 10 2008
willpen

Evening all. I don’t know if anyone has posted these vile youtube videos of Congress Michelle Bachmann on Hardball tonight. This is some very serious stuff. I tried to look up Rep Bachmann’s email address and she has it blocked from anyone outside of her Minnesota District.

We must write or fax this woman with our disapproval. Let’s get the word out to bury her in faxes and mail telling her that we will not tolerate her brand of 21st century McCarthyism.

Here are her offices and the address for Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann from Minnesota.

Washington D.C. Office
412 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-2331
Fax: (202) 225-6475

Woodbury Office
6043 Hudson Rd, Suite 330
Woodbury, MN 55125
Phone: 651-731-5400
Fax: 651-731-6650

St. Cloud/Waite Park Office
10 2nd Street S, Suite 232
Waite Park, MN 56387
Phone: 320-253-5931
Fax: 320-240-6905

Let’s keep up the fight. We have 19 more days and we cannot relent.

17 10 2008
17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

ira2 (19:03:35) :

“Just make sure you lock her in a fish house on a SOUTHERN lake, k? We don’t want any pollution in our still pristine far-from-the-cities up-north lakes!!!”

Where are ya, ira2? i call those far-from-the-cities up-north lakes home too!

hose Hussein hotrod

17 10 2008
Deb

aussie- given my peaceful protests, during the vietnam war, I am still somewhat suspect that my name might be on some “list” somewhere…and hence, no phone calls…I remain registered independent….because that, allows me more “freedome of voice”……but as to why I have yet to be called by the GOP??? hmmm

call me paranoid!

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

hey willpen —

read up aways in this thread and the last. we are way all over this bachmann thingy — but it never hurts to repeat info. thanks for your vigilance!!

hHh

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Suuerkraut -I don’t have a blog. Don’t know if the any others at the Pgh. mini mudstock do beyond posting comments here. Too bad you couldn’t make it here at the Pittsburgh mudstock from Central/Eastern PA.

17 10 2008
Deb

will-quick “catch up” no play on previous ketchup post intended…..yes, we are aware of bahmans (my intentional misspelling this time) diatribe…and have begun grassroots anti-bachman rally…ty for email addies….many of us have already contributed to her DEM opponent!

17 10 2008
mmboucher

Go to Huffingtons site they have started a list to censure Bachmann, they are going to send to Congress, they want signatures

17 10 2008
ira2

upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama (19:13:11) :

ira2 (19:03:35) :

“Just make sure you lock her in a fish house on a SOUTHERN lake, k? We don’t want any pollution in our still pristine far-from-the-cities up-north lakes!!!”

Where are ya, ira2? i call those far-from-the-cities up-north lakes home too!

hose Hussein hotrod

Hiya Homie :o) I’m near Bemidji. How about you?

17 10 2008
Deb

mmboucher- link?

17 10 2008
Living in Texas - Can't see Alaska

I don’t know if you guys saw that CNN picked this up today about Monegan wanting the Personnel Board to conduct a hearing to clear his name.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/palin.monegan.firing/index.html

17 10 2008
Deb

mmboucher-I can find huffpost…but direct link to the censure site would be helpful

17 10 2008
mmboucher

I don’t know how to link! Just go Huffington.com

17 10 2008
Living in Texas - Can't see Alaska

I just tried to post a link and got spammed. If you didn’t already know, CNN politics page picked up the story that Monegan is requested that the Personnel Board conduct a hearing to clear his name.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/palin.monegan.firing/index.html

Let’s try this again.

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

hose Hussein hotrod

Hiya Homie :o) I’m near Bemidji. How about you?

Hiya Back Homie!! I’m near Nisswa!

17 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

kate aka chin duststrap (16:41:33) :

My kids used to listen to Baby Beluga all the time. They live in the St. Lawrence river too I think. [The belugas-not my kids!] Raffi wrote it so long ago to illustrate they were dying out then.
_________________

Actually, Raffi wrote it to celebrate the birth of the first beluga calf at the Vancouver Aquarium. Needless to say, it died, as did the 2nd and i believe the 3rd. I don’t think they belong in aquariums.

17 10 2008
Deb

mm boucher…huff post site is huge…find the censure page then rightclick anc copy then paste here

17 10 2008
Living in Texas - Can't see Alaska

Here’s the Bachmann censure link:

http://www.censurebachmann.com

It was linked off of the huffpo story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/gop-rep-channels-mccarthy_n_135735.html

17 10 2008
drew from little ol texas

Deb- ya, I guess just dangerous, huh?!

Well, I hear Joe da plumber is gonna flush the McCain/Palin Campaign !

17 10 2008
ira2

I’m thinking… Bachman… Bachman… remember the American couple who were attacked by some Chinese guy while sightseeing during the Olympics? The husband died, the wife was injured, I think, and the daughter was unharmed. They were somehow related to one of the coaches of one of the competing teams (some ball game thingy?)
There was some mention of Minnesota and politics if memory serves right. I could swear the name was Bachman.

17 10 2008
Deb

thanks, living!

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama
17 10 2008
calico cat

mmboucher – if you click in the “address bar” at the top of your window, and highlight the whole URL, you can press the control button and hold it while you press the C key, to copy. then when you are typing, and get to where you want the link, just hold the control key again and press V to paste. Or, you can click the right mouse button to get a pop up box of options including cut and paste. when you paste a URL, it automatically makes a hyperlink (sometimes, you need to hit the space key to get the link to show up).

17 10 2008
ds55

Raffi singing the original “Baby Beluga” song, circa 1980.

17 10 2008
mmboucher

Thanks,
I will do it next time, sorry guys and gals

17 10 2008
John Nail

This is great news for the beautiful Belugas. We have several here in the GA Aquarium that we got from a private Mexican zoo.

here is a post with a picture of an inquisitive Beluga communicating with my 6 year old daughter:

<a href=”http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=4899″

17 10 2008
PDX Hussein That One MB

hose Hussein hotrod:

So glad to get the updates on Tinklenberg’s haul today–Wow, $50,000! That’s amazing. I happily made my donation after sending a nastygram to Bachmann. It was oh so satisfying!

17 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

Right now this blog reloaded “weird”???
Its all white???
Not even sure if this will post? Anyone else having this problem?

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

Welcome to the House Elwyn Tinklenberg!!!

17 10 2008
Deb

mmboucher…I am sorry if I appeared condescending…I was SOO anxious to respond to this woman…no offense meant!

17 10 2008
Living in Texas - Can't see Alaska

You’re welcome, Deb!

PDX – I just donated to Tinklenberg also. This is probably an unexpected surprise for him. I’d bet he wants Bachmann to keep on talking. 🙂

17 10 2008
Deb

It must be you puter, cali…I’m multi-colored here! (not all white)

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Damn.. Sarah sure has a lot of fans in the wilderness. I guess in her world, a dead animal is a good animal.

It’s all about money for her. From ripping off Wasilla to scamming a free house, to god knows what other crimes she’s committed..

There is a silver lining though, as AKM mentioned.. The election crap will be over in 3 weeks and she’ll go home without 100’s of free lawyers to face all her bad behavior on her own. McGrumpy certainly won’t be paying for all the stuff that’s uncovered she’s done and who knows. Maybe she’ll end up sharing a prison cell with Teddy.. How ironic would it be if he tries to cut a deal to rat her out.. She’d be a bigger fish at this point.. That would be sweeet!

It’s just sad that a sick woman wants to rape Alaska, and yet won’t even support people who suffer the same fate.

Pathetic.

17 10 2008
Deb

marty!!! welcome to the world of “kryptonians” again!

17 10 2008
ira2

upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama (19:20:27) :

hose Hussein hotrod

Hiya Homie :o) I’m near Bemidji. How about you?

Hiya Back Homie!! I’m near Nisswa!

Heh, how ’bout that?! I had to google it (mostly homebound 3-year MN newbie here), but it looks like you’re only about 2 hours south of here! *Waves*

17 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

I see West Virginian and Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh have already checked in! Yes. The Pittsburgh Mudflats Mini-Mudstock was wonderful. We enjoyed each others company for three hours! And get this. The last five of us to leave were engaged in a final conversation in our coats, when our waiter who was the steward for our special dinner party room came over to tell us how much he enjoyed waiting on us! He said he found us so energetic and lively and nice to him that he just loved it. He also loved our very nice tip for him! Although he is libertarian in his views, he still had not decided which way to go in the election. But he said based upon meeting us he is now going to vote for Barack Obama! Wow!

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

Tinklenberg’s haul is now at $65,000.00 since Her Hideousness opened her trap this afternoon. He’s going to WaRshington!! Hoo hoo!!
Thanks all!

hose Hussein hotrod

17 10 2008
Trini

@Ds55. Thanks for the YouTube link! I will go to sleep with the sweet song of “Baby Beluga” running through my head!

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Here’s some good news..

Our local CBS affiliate here in the DC area has started a no-spin newscast..

Starting this week, they will not report on any of the crap mcgrumpy and his minions spew and will only report on issues.

If all tv networks did that, they bullcrap they spew would be rendered worthless..

I like it.. Tonight, they discussed healthcare and explained the differences, fairly unbiased and honestly. I still like Obama’s plan better, but at least you could listen to someone explain them both without any spin.

Suggest your local TV stations try it.. It’s WUSA9.com if they want to look at contacting them about doing the same thing!

17 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter (19:31:25) :
It’s just sad that a sick woman wants to rape Alaska, and yet won’t even support people who suffer the same fate.

Pathetic.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How SAD and VERY TRUE!!!
RECALL/IMPEACMENT Alaska we will help you !!!!

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

ira2–
“Heh, how ’bout that?! I had to google it (mostly homebound 3-year MN newbie here), but it looks like you’re only about 2 hours south of here! *Waves*”

Waves back!! I’m very familiar with Bemidji area. Undergrad at the U there lo so many years ago. just an hour and a half south of you. how fun!

17 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Marty!!!!

That is wonderful of your local news cast. Is it an Independent owned station?

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Upnorth that is just incredible..

everyone should write her and laugh. i heard he raised over 35.000 in a matter of hours after her tirade..

that is just too good.. american democracy at work

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh
17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Denise it’s the local CBS affiliate..

but i think it’s an awesome idea. im in DC.. sorta a small market..;)

17 10 2008
Deb

wow…marty….that is good news! I have always thought that if the “real” journalists took a vow to only broadcast “real” news…rather than just “spin” americans would be allowed to judge for themselves….hell….put JOURNALISM on notice to not broadcast CRAP (and that that would be from EITHER party)….we used to call it HONEST journalism….sans CRAP

17 10 2008
Karen

http://www.censurebachmann.com/

Here’s a petition to censure Bachmann!

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

GOP seeks police, veterans to work Milwaukee polls

MADISON, Wis. – Democrats accused the Wisconsin Republican Party on Wednesday of trying to intimidate voters by seeking people with military and law enforcement experience to watch Milwaukee polls on Election Day.

[Andrea] Kaminski, of the League of Women Voters, said voters who want to avoid observers should cast their ballots early at clerk’s offices.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-wi-pollwatchers,0,3976026.story

17 10 2008
ds55

Re: Michele Bachmann – Seriously, is it possible she’s “on” something? She looks so wild-eyed in the video.

17 10 2008
Deb

ok…after watching the smith charity event last nite…i have to admit in terms of JOKES…mccain won……our man, gave it his best shot…..but, i really think ( and this is what rush tried to skewer him for today)…obama is so in TOUCH with what is going on in america today…that he found it difficult to crack jokes!!! that smile of his could win thousands…but his performance last night shows that he his truly in touch with what “joe six-pack” and “joe the plumber” and many of US average americans are facing economically….it’s not a joke!

17 10 2008
Bea

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (19:34:10) :

But he said based upon meeting us he is now going to vote for Barack Obama! Wow!
____

WOW indeed! Good job PA Mudpuppies!!! One more vote for Barack in a SWING state!!!

P.S. Link to donate to Tinklenberg here:
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660

(almost $70K now!!)

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (19:34:10) :

Obama people leading by example. Nice one. 8)

17 10 2008
Deb

disclaimer to above…I tend to be “cerebral” and “analytical” like obama…..as I watched mccain…and, yes, laughed at the jokes…..there was a part of me that said…this election…what america faces today….particularly middle class and the poorer americans face….is no joke!

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Deb, i agree, if McGrumpy could act like he did at that dinner, this would be a far better election season.

It’s just sad that as soon as it was over, he went back to spewing the same vile moosecrap he’s been selling for months..

Think about it His earliest ads were all obama, all the time. Obama, for his part almost never mentioned mcgrumpy.. comparison is sorta funny..

But i agree.. mcgrumpy had good timing and decent jokes.. obama tried, but didn’t hit many..

The other thing though.. Obama truly laughed and clapped.. mcgrumpy gave his pornosmile and his hands barely made a sound in those 2 clap pretends he did..

So, he didn’t like obama’s jokes.. it was obvious he was bothered. Obama just laughed and had a good time.

17 10 2008
ds55

Michele Bachmann full video with Chris Matthews on “Hardball”:

17 10 2008
ira2

Ok… my first choice for a donation was and is mudflats because I’m convinced that the country and therewith the world would have never learned so much about Palin in such a timely manner if it hadn’t been for this blog, and I see Palin as a true and imminent threat to Alaska, the US, and the world. I can understand though that a snailmail addy isn’t wise for AKM to pass out (by now I’m thinking that I certainly wasn’t thinking at all to even ask for it, sheesh! Let’s blame that on cognitive dysfunction, please).

My second choice now is to support the elimination of Minnesota’s own Palin. Blood, sweat, tears, and a $5 check will go in the mail to Mr. Tinklenberg tomorrow :o)

(If anybody had told me 6 months ago that I’d ever in my whole life would make a donation to a political whatsis something-or-other, I’d have broken a rib laughing. This is momentous. Mudflats did it.)

17 10 2008
onion

Beautifully written.

17 10 2008
vena45

And they call Obama a terrorist? I’d have to say, Palin and Todd are the true terrorist here having involvement with AIP group.

17 10 2008
Deb

wow..I like to think that bachman just got a $$$ slap in the face from us mudflatters!! (go tinklenberg!)

17 10 2008
Pacificnwgal

Very alarming about the beluga wales. I moved to Washington State mainly because of the natural beauty and wildlife of the area. In the past 15 years, there has been more decline and more traffic. This is of national importance. We really need to protect our environment. Governor Gregiore is pushing through legislation to put a 20 cent fee on all plastic bags. The Republicans yell and say we should not be forced into conservation. I disagree. Not enough people care. There are some issue that need to be decided as a human species and as a committment to the earth. Not polluting is one of them. Protecting our wildlife is another. Palin is a Neanderthal and they died out. If anyone should become extinct, it should be people like her.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

For pure entertainment..

mail Ms Nazi, info@michelebachmann.com and just laugh

17 10 2008
Deb

ira- good on ya! this is what we call “grassroots”politics..as in “government BY the people” thank you for commitinng to that ideal of our forefathers!

17 10 2008
OG aka Tank Dent Palin

I was watching MSNBC when Michelle Bachman was interviewed earlier tonight by Chris Matthews – my blood pressure goes up just looking at her much less listening to the idiotic statements that come out of her mouth. She is so ignorant and not the type of person we want in congress. This summer the Minnesota Independence party decided to throw their support to Bachman’s Democratic opponent (Tinklenberg) to have a better shot at unseating her. Tinklenberg is very well liked. I think all the donations that Tinklenberg received tonight should be included in a TV commercial using some of Bachman’s statements.
After listening to Bachman, I went to a reception this evening for Franni Franken, Al Franken’s wife. It was at a house in my neighborhood and at least 40 women showed up to meet Franni and to discuss issues that are important in this election. Al Franken has a good chance to defeat Norm Coleman. I hope all the negative personal attacks backfire on the Republicans (Bachman, Coleman, and McCain) this election.

17 10 2008
wired hussein differently

Whew. Took me a while to catch up on today’s posts and comments.

Bad, bad Michelle. What a dork, just got Elwyn (is he Elvish? like Orlando Bloom?) elected!

I got my ballot today. Already bubbled in Obama and Biden and Christine Gregoire (tight rematch against the Truly Repellent Dino Rossi for Washington Governor), but must consider the props carefully before I send it in.

Which reminds me– AnneinWA: homegirl, where’ve you been recently?

Ohio court today ruled that no private entity (namely the Republican Party) can question voter registrations. Only another govt. entity. Oh, Smack, GOP!

Ted Stevens took the stand today and basically blamed his wife for not paying the bills. What a guy!

Going momentarily to get my daily dose of Keith and Rachel on the InterTubes.

Oh, and for the record, it was I who called dibs on Rachel the other night, but I acknowledged asiangrrl’s ardent admiration and said I might be willing to share. All others <<<>>> alas, too late…

17 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

I’ve enjoyed reading the conversation this evening. Too busy to post, catching up with all these donations, petitions, censures and what-nots. I’m so thrilled Tinklenberg has garnered so much money in protest of the evil one’s hateful diatribe.

I first became aware there was such a thing as politics because of Joe McCarthy. Despite the fact I was a Scottish child and therefore in no danger from the House UnAmerican Committee, I remember how scary the goings-on in the US seem to be, more especially since my ideas of America in the Fifties, formed by Hollywood, were of a happy happy land.

That same chilling fear returned tonight listening to Bachman. It’s comforting to know so many people have not just reacted in horror but acted in positive ways to censure and eventually remove her from office.

17 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Just watched that video of Frau Goebbels of Minnesota. wow! the Nazi Party of 1930’s Germany would certainly recognize her type. I hope she wears trousers when she goose steps.

17 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

It’s just too bad there isn’t a “burka (burqua?)” which covers evil souls as effectively as it covers a person’s exterior. (Although I wouldn’t mind a burqua for bad hair days).

17 10 2008
vena45

Michele Backmann, Tucker Bound, Bay Buchanan, Meg Stapleton, etc are those who fall under the category of what a psychiatrist would diagnose as sociopathtic liars!

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

So the Republicans’ new ‘pro’ is pro-America? I heard it today from Palin and Bachmann ……

Is this the October surprise?

17 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Been thinking how ugly Palin’s house is, then I realized that it reminds me of a doublewide. Guess that’s ’cause it was built by trailertrash.

17 10 2008
Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin (17:33:23) :
Let me put it this way, given the conditions and stress that the food fish exist in, in the fish farms (with some exceptions) I sure as hell won’t eat then, Like the fish many game depts raised for stocking purposes. Fish chow, greasy, stinking stuff. While it kept them alive and growing for maximum production per time unit, for the first month or so, when caught by “the avid tourist angler”, the fish (in this case trout) tasted just like the fish chow (Purina no less)f. It takes a while eating natural food (which I won’t detail here) for them to taste like a fish rather than dry dog food
Small ponds with a ecologically balanced species ratio do pretty well in comparison.
(Like catfish, bass, and bluegill) f you’d like more data on fish farming I’d be glad to send it, or post it to some upload site.
These Beluga (Beluka) aren’t in that catagory though.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Are we pro-american or is that only for repugnants?

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

tina fey is kickin ass on letterman

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I was listening to the lunatic Bachmann live on MSNBC. I am so glad Chris Matthews gave her all that rope to hang herself. Part of me wanted him to refute what she was saying, but I knew it was more important for her to speak her(crazy) mind. You could really see that Matthews sensed this was a “historic” moment. The second-coming of Sen. Joe McCarthy in Congress.

Right afterward I had to jump in the car for a trip to Springfield. How thrilling to find that in the time of that drive – all that money raised for Tinklenberg!

I was pleased to make my donation, just now. Guess I’m an honorary MN citizen – I had already given to Al Franken last week.

Go Minnesota! Shoo that witch outta DC and off TV. (Well maybe she’ll get her own show on Fox, which will run right after Sarah’s and just before First Dude’s Fox Outdoor Sports Show.)

17 10 2008
Deb

ty for that address, Marty….this is a PART of what I wrote to her…
Ms. Bachman-
we, are anti-american because we dissent? we are anti-american because we don’t agree with the GOP? I’m sorry MS. Bachman….I will dissent and disagree…because that is the FOUNDATION of this great U.S!! SHAME ON YOU! Go study the constitution!

D*

59 year old registered INDEPENDENT voter!! (and considers herself an AMERICAN since I was born in the great state of Texas and have lived in over 5 states of these great United States)

*my full name address and phone number was included which I cut here to protect my privacy from internet (lurkers)

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Thanks Marty for the heads-up on Tina – I would have missed it! Just finished watching Rachel rerun.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Deb, i just called her Ms Nazi.. you were much nicer than me..

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter (20:02:24) :

Are we pro-american or is that only for repugnants?

******

We will have to wait and see how far they want to take it. I’m up for the fight.😉

17 10 2008
Bea

Amusing blast-from-the-past…

In 2005, Michele Bachmann hid in the bushes to spy on “the gays”:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×4258101

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

vena, you forgot nancy phhuddfggsugnbertfer

17 10 2008
Deb

marty- here’s my question for tina fey…is she showing tomorrow on SNL with SP???

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

she wouldn’t say.. but i bet she wouldn’t miss it for the world..

17 10 2008
Deb

sheesh….after her (Tina Fewy) saying she would leave the PLANET if SP was elected…..I will BOYCOTT her and everthing she is tries to promote…if she shows up on the same stage as SP…this is NOT about $$$$

17 10 2008
Deb

and I think Tina Fey is an incredible young talent!

17 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Was just catching on Huffington Post:

Palin’s Staffers Keep Her Away From The News To Avoid Being “Depressed”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/palins-staffers-keep-her_n_135551.html

“But yeah, sometimes you do get depressed watching what it is that they’re reporting and the spin and some of the distortion of what our message is and what we stand for. Sometimes that, that gets draining,” she continued. “But it’s at events like these and our rallies that we are so energized and inspired and we know that we are not alone. We feel your strength and we feel the power of prayer, so many of you tell us that you are praying for us and praying for our country and that’s why we so appreciate you being here.”

Hummm. What is it going to say about what the Lord thinks when those prayers BOMB and she goes down, and she goes down BIG TIME? Will she accept this COSMIC MESSAGE FROM THE LORD then on the Prayer Talk Express right down the dumper?

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

All the talk about Bachmann..

it’s funny, before she opened her mouth, my first reaction was she was kinda cute. But it was almost surreal, as she talked, her face took on this demonic look and by the time she was done, she looked like Hitler in drag than the woman she started out looking like.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Geeze.. Alan Kalter (lettermans announcer) just did failin.. it was a riot..!

his skirt kept riding up.. ahahahaha

17 10 2008
ira2

Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter (20:08:42) :

vena, you forgot nancy phhuddfggsugnbertfer

Is that the Pfotenhauer-or-something-like-that woman? That name struck me as utterly ridiculous, even though I know that names aren’t chosen and you’re stuck with what you get and all that.

Pfote is German for paw (like a rabbit’s paw). Hauen means to beat or slap. A Hauer would be one who beats or slap (though that’s not really a word). So, her name essentially means paw-slapper. Cracks me up.

17 10 2008
ira2

— slapS —

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Palin is goin in the dumper faster than Don Rickles..!!

17 10 2008
Bea

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (20:14:21) :

Was just catching on Huffington Post:

Palin’s Staffers Keep Her Away From The News To Avoid Being “Depressed”
_____

She must REALLY miss reading “all the papers”!

But I suppose it leaves her more time to shoot passing wildlife out of the windows of the Straight Smacktalk Express.

17 10 2008
Deb

damn…I went from typing Tina “Few” (typo) to now including the “y” in her name….to now typing it Tina FEWY…..
I’m thinking my “collective unconcscious” is doing the typing here….and knows we CANNOT to afford to legitimize SP in any way..and if Tina F E Y shows…it…somehow legitimizes SP!

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

ira.. seems perfect.. she can help failin cut paws off the wolves she kills

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Quick! Quick! Call Reverend Muthee for an exorcism. McCain has sol his soul to the devil “McCain Using Same Robocall Firm That Helped Smear Him In 2000 “[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/report-mccain-using-same_n_135699.html] and it’s clear from this post and her attitude toward wolves that Palin favors animal sacrifice in the name of Mammon (Mammon is a term, derived from the Christian Bible, used to describe material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity). [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon]

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Deb, SNL is VERY dem.. she’ll be skewered as much as NBC allows ..🙂

trust me.. if Fey shows, she’ll have a loaded shotgun and will aim it repeatedly at the pitbull. Ready Aim, Kill, cut her left hand off.

See how easy that was???

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

It’s hard to tear myself away new friends, but it’s time to hit the hay. May I thank you again for coming to the aid of the good people of Minnesota?

Aussie Puck Mule…I’m ready for the fight too. Let’s all stand up together, shall we? Love you all!! ‘Night.

hose Hussein hotrod

P.S. Tinklenberg at 73,000.00 I love it!

17 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

My post is so far up now it’s probably silly to make a correction, but I’m compelled to anyway. It was, I believe, the House Unamerican Activities Committee. I should be in bed.

17 10 2008
ira2

in the name of Mammon (Mammon is a term, derived from the Christian Bible, used to describe material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity). [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon]

As in, “you cannot serve God and Mammon both”? As I remember it, that’s even a quote FROM the bible.

17 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Karen (19:40:04) :

Here’s a petition to censure Bachmann!
http://www.censurebachmann.com/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Just signed the Petition to Censure Bachmann.

I encourage every Mudflatter and Mudpuppy to view Bachmann’s remarks, then sign the petition, too, if you feel so moved.

17 10 2008
Karen

Bachmann sort of reminds me of Katherine Harris.

http://www.censurebachmann.com/

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Eeeeeeewww Marty – Michelle kind of cute? She has been on Larry King a few times and she never wipes that big grin off her face. “Beaming” eyes, too. First time I saw her, I was convinced she has been a pageant contestant in the past. She reminds me a lot of Katherine Harris – of the famous Florida voting catastrophe four years ago.

17 10 2008
Deb

marty- I hear what you are saying…but a very “left” media would not have her on……especially as “entertainment” it “legitimaizes” her appeal…….I believe SNL skits are leftist…but the owners of MOST MSM networks are NOT (contrary to what most of the right thinks)

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

We are thinking alike, Karen!

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

ira2 (20:15:22) :

I kind’a preferred “phhuddfggsugnbertfer” it sounded more lick pud pounder, but I guess we can settle for paw slapper.

17 10 2008
Deb

how can you “skewer” a guest in a 2-3 minute opening skit?

17 10 2008
Deb

if she is there…it gives the impression that she is WORTH having her there…which she ISN”T!

17 10 2008
Bea

Bill Maher’s “New Rules” for tonight up now on YouTube:

(caution… a little spicy language therein)

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

eajphd Molten Contra Palin (20:23:25) :

That should have been “like” instead of “lick” – I think I have to lay off the caffeine and blogging for a while.

17 10 2008
braveny

I am Boycotting SNL. I had already written to them and said I would. So I am sticking to my promise. I think its really terrible that they are going to have SP on the show. Grrrrrrrrrrrr she makes me want to puke.

Love the Whales, Hate SP

17 10 2008
Deb

bec- I disagree…I think Michelle obama is a VERY attractive woman….compard to SP???? but then I never wen in for the beauty pageant type…inner beauty has always resonated with me….but…with michelle. obama…she is beautiful inside AND out…and I absolutely LOVE those pics of her next to barack..she is even MORe beautiful!…they exude love

17 10 2008
Deb

I totally agree brave….and I wrote to them also…a week ago…telling them MY opinion about having SP appear…and I will not watch

17 10 2008
Winski

It must be nice to have a governor that gets stupider by measurable amounts each day.

How much longer are you guys going to take this???

17 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Palin at a rally….What a Crock:

“Dover was the kind of small-town America she loved, said the Alaska governor, hailing the state’s motto of “Live Free or Die”.

“You’re a lot like the people of Alaska. We love good moose hunting. We both so enjoy our great lands – the clean water and the fresh air and the wildlife and fishing. We love being outdoors. You just get it!” ”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/3205619/Sarah-Palin-seen-as-beacon-of-hope-as-defeat-at-poll-looms.html

17 10 2008
Deb

I believe in WOLVES….if SNL had wolves on their show…and every show from here on out..I would watch…I will NOT watch a woman who likes to shoot them from helicopters!

17 10 2008
Sasha in MN

Okay, first to the topic at hand….Palin and views on wildlife.

As soon as she was picked for VP I was bombarded w/ calls and emails because I am an outdoors woman, hunter (mainly game birds), wolf & wildlife conservationist for over a decade and volunteer for the IWC with friends and contacts living in Alaska. I have known about Palin since she stepped into the governor role and aerial hunting was back on the menu. Many joke about her being Bush in a skirt or Cheney w/ lipstick but seriously I wouldn’t bat an eyelash if she shared the views of crappy shot Dick and deemed the Endangered Species Act unconstitutional like he has stated in the past. Cheney was at the forefront of barring the reintroduction of wolves to Yellowstone being the rancher whore he is and Palin would be even more lethal with her glossy smile and snarky attitude behind feminine attributes that more Americans (male mostly) would accept than Cheney ever got away with. Look at the Department of the Interior, who holds the highest offices? and what they have gotten away with the past eight years. With Palin it would be an all out devastation.

Secondly I would like to restate that Michelle Bachmann, not of the Bachman family of the Olympic tragedy is one of the slimiest and weakest examples of women to hold public office. This race is tightening 42 /38 was the latest I heard but I have confidence that she’ll be crying over her mittens soon enough and this election I won’t be staying up to watch her give another brassy acceptance speech. Whatever donation you can manage for Tinklenberg would be greatly appreciated, heck it meant a weekend in for me but what really is the sacrifice when we have had to deal with the right wing nut floozy, Bushie groupie like Michelle Bachmann.

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Deb – Talking about Michele Bachmann! Certainly not Obama. We’ve been discussing Bachmann all night.

I did just see on the website she is with one “l” – not two.

17 10 2008
Karen

I can’t believe it – she also has 5 kids and is a religious zealot!

http://www.michelebachmann.com/about.php

17 10 2008
Deb

if you love animals…I BEG you not to watch a woman who likes to hunt animals from helicopters! and ty, sasha…my dad…was a hunter…we can have hunters….but it must be REGULATED (oh dear, does this have some sort of TIE to economics??)

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Thanks Bea for the New Rules link. Got here and found out my in-laws cancelled HBO – so I couldn’t get my Bill Maher Friday Night fix tonight. Bummer. Have to wait to watch the whole show when I get back home – love that DVR.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Sasha… one of your fellow Minnesotians said Tingleberhmanhouafer took in $73,000 since Bachmann was on Hardball..

How’s that for the power of ugly TV redeeming itself..??

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Yeah Karen – I checked out that Website a week or two ago, the last time I saw her on Larry King and we were chatting Bachmann up here. Her big this is abortion and gays, apparently. But a big foster mom. Those poor kids.

17 10 2008
Deb

as a woman who loves animals ( and children) and because I am appalled at the way she treats both animals and her own children…I WILL NOT watch videos of this woman…I will read excerpts/clips from her speeches…which is almost more than I can bear…but I will not watch her…that is my own personal protest to what she stands for.

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Oops – “her big THING” Me tired too.

17 10 2008
Lighthouse (or Sport Grunt Hussein)

Wow, it’s so empowering to be giving money to these people from Minnesota! My Mom came from Minnesota, and her 85 year old brother is one of the coolest Democrats in Detroit Lakes.

I donated to Al Franken last week too, and now Tinklenberg.

I told my sister about the Belugas, and she flipped out. She’s an animal lover and an elementary teacher who has taught every one of her classes over the last 20 years the Baby Beluga song.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

IF SNL has any gonads, wouldn’t it be funny if she was in a skit on ‘anything’ and someone in a wolf costume came on set and said someone cut off one of my paws, could you please help me nice lady?

if she had no warning it was going to happen, she’d probably curl up into a ball like that guy on the Capital one commercial..!

17 10 2008
Deb

go tingleman…damn, marty…now I forget even who I contributed $$ to!!

17 10 2008
Bea

Bec Hussein,

TULLYCAST2 on YouTube posts all the Bill Maher shows (in segements). Usually has them up by Saturday morning, in case you can’t wait. Having no TV myself, I am ever-grateful for this resource. Hurrah for the Intertubes!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TULLYCAST2

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Does the fundraising quote on the actblue site include money given directly to Tinklenberg’s own Website? That is where I donated. So maybe the amount taken in today a a lot more than that. I hope so.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Bea.. i have a 55″ HDTV.. i’d keep that way over anyone with a gun.. Keep the guns away.. but i’ll not give up my 55″ HDTV unless that pull it outta my cold dead fingers.. !🙂

17 10 2008
Deb

Karen- ahhh….ty for that “insight” about michele bachman. I obviously missed the memo about what having “family values” meant. when I had my FOUR, it meant I switched to part-time work so I could stay home and raise my kids….DAMN, I missed running for political office as a “family value”!

17 10 2008
Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago

For those of you Mudflatters that may have missed this earlier. For the first time in our nations history, the very powerful and Republican, Chicago Tribune endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

This is not just another endorsement folks it is pure golden ammo for each and every one of us. Read it, print it, keep extra copies with you muddies.

For those that “Don’t believe Barack has what it takes to be President” here is the newspaper that has been ALL OVER HIM since he got into the political scene here. Believe me, if anyone could DIG UP something, ANYTHING, on Barack it would have been the Trib.

Here is a teaser…

However this election turns out, it will dramatically advance America’s slow progress toward equality and inclusion. It took Abraham Lincoln’s extraordinary courage in the Civil War to get us here. It took an epic battle to secure women the right to vote. It took the perseverance of the civil rights movement…

Oh wait, one more… sorry
Having called Obama not ready to lead, McCain chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. His campaign has tried to stage-manage Palin’s exposure to the public. But it’s clear she is not prepared to step in at a moment’s notice and serve as president. McCain put his campaign before his country.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-chicago-tribune-endorsement,0,1371034.story

Oh damn, I needed every word of this today, after watching the aforementioned blood sucking republican perverts of democracy earlier, and being sick to my stomach from it, and than having to see them again as I puked them up into my… oh sorry, didn’t realize you were eating, my apologies.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

oooohhhh… i know.. have Conans masturbating bear on with failin.. hahahaha along with Triumph The Insult dog, a wolf a polar bear.. and just for shits and grins.. have Bill Ayers on.. Now THAT would be a show that would win an emmy..

17 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

I’m so tired of wherever Palin goes she says to the crowd, “You just get it.”

Almost wet my pants laughing when she called NH(?) part of the great north-west and then the big grin on her face when she said, “You just get it” and waited for the wild applause that didn’t come. No bingo!

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Thanks Bea! Ain’t YouTube great! Glad you are able to find and watch so many things on the net.

I’ve been watching Maher since his HBO show started. He is kind of a brat, but, before I met Mudflats, his show and Keith O. were the only places I felt “at home and where I felt really important things were discussed – to my like mind.

17 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Nice to see the ten worst members of Congress listed in Esquire magazine. Little Mz. Manic Minnesota is one of them, as are Joe Lieberman and Ted Stevens. read what it says about each – a bit of a laugh.

http://www.esquire.com/features/esquire-endorsements-2008/10-worst-members-congress-1108

17 10 2008
Sasha in MN

Please take two minutes:
http://www.censurebachmann.com/

Thank you mudpuppies for the support & love and for “Feeling Minnesota” even if for just a moment through this crazy election cycle. I think I can speak for all of us in MN and relay our gratitude and appreciation.

17 10 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Heres a whale story. Back many years ago when I was about 10 my dad and I were out fishing in a 10 foot open boat in the San Jaun Islands of Washington state. Suddenly about 30 feet away the water broke and up popped a killer whale, then next to it came a little one. They peered at us as though we were exibits in a zoo. I could almost hear the momma whale saying to the little one see, those are humans. We looked down in the water and there was on way down deep swimming under the boat, at that point my dad decided he wanted out of there fast. I was a kid and was to fascinated to be afraid, but I think they were aware of us and would not have endangered us.

17 10 2008
Deb

as a mother of four kids and,( which I dare say would be considered “pandering” to all parents of children with special needs) having a master’s degree and 25+ years working in special education, and seeing pikes peak from my window (which is only a hop, skip and a jump to Focus on the Family, therefore I am certified “religious right”), and two of my kids (the twins) were BORN in alaska (so, I also have foreign relations experience, if you don’t count the 8 years I actuall LIVED overseas), I could be VP and perfectly qualified by McBUsh to be president should the need arise!

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Shikago..

The Wash Post announced a few days ago for obama.. Now the trib which was a truly inspiring endorsement. I don’t know any papers who announced for mcfailin and my guess is any who did may change their minds before 11/4..

If Colin Powell endorses Obama, then he’ll hit the trifecta.. and sail into the WhiteHouse i think.. He’ll get perhaps the most prominent and respected black man in the inner circle and a man who’s shown integrity even when Bush demanded he igore his principals. I think having lied to the UN troubled him more than we’ll ever know and perhaps he’s tired of the same old crap that McGrumpy and his stupid sidekick Idiot would bring to Washington.

Lets hope but we all gotta vote.

17 10 2008
Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago

Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter (20:43:09) :

IF SNL has any gonads, wouldn’t it be funny if she was in a skit on ‘anything’ and someone in a wolf costume came on set and said someone cut off one of my paws, could you please help me nice lady?

if she had no warning it was going to happen, she’d probably curl up into a ball Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter (20:43:09) :

IF SNL has any gonads, wouldn’t it be funny if she was in a skit on ‘anything’ and someone in a wolf costume came on set and said someone cut off one of my paws, could you please help me nice lady?

if she had no warning it was going to happen, she’d probably curl up into a ball like that guy on the Capital one commercial..!

———————————

AAAAhhhh ha ha ha … like that guy on the Capital one commercial. awesome

Haven’t been able to comment much tonight (very busy) but certainly have enjoyed advancing the thread and everyones comments.

Night from Chi…

17 10 2008
Deb

debbie-beautiful story…..which is why, those of us, who have those stories with the great creatures of the wild…cannot stan this woman…who would KILL them for greed! sorry mudflatters…I call for a boycott of SNL tomorrow night…in the name of ALL innocent creatures

17 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

okay—still haven’t torn myself away…. to answer Bec in Illinois.
No. The act blue site only records donations made through them. Anything sent to Tinklenberg’s own site would be in addition to the (now) $79,345.00 that’s been contributed there. So, yes. I’m sure he’s taken in well more than that! Thanks so much for donating everyone.

Now, say good night to hose hotrod! I mean it this time.
xo,
hHh

17 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Thanks upnorth – keep us posted if you hear any grand totals tomorrow. Can’t wait.

17 10 2008
Deb

upnorth-I contributed directly to the site you posted here…so the fact that that i only a PORTION of the reaction to this woman is amazing! thanks to all mudflatters for stepping up!

17 10 2008
Deb

gotta love grassroots!

17 10 2008
shilo442

We have another TERRORIST on the republican side Ms. Bachmann, lets all get together and call a Terrorist a Terrorist, those that spew hatred in America and call some of us anti – American. Lets get together and start calling them Terrorists.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Up, it’s amazing how much ms nazi made for her opponent.

That is just incredible.. democracy rears it’s ugly head.. The repugnants will all fall.. it’ll be 100 dem senators, 438 dem reps and a dem president obama..

ok, so that would be creepy.. we’d not have anyone to hate..

17 10 2008
Deb

marty- I have pondered and pondered the colin powell endorsement….and what I have finally come up with….no matter which (if any) way he goes…obama wins! if he chooses obama, we have a respected military man on our side…..if he chooses mccain it show he (powell) still chooses bush policy over new direction (even though they fired his a$$!)

17 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

$81,000 now raised for Tinklenberg

17 10 2008
Trini

Here is a good place for info on Michele Bachmann. My sincerest condolences to the fine people of Minnesota who have to put up with this wing nut!

http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/

17 10 2008
mhrt oregon

i am late here……just looked at the video of michelle bachman…………Wooo…….. put the hair up………throw on a pair of glasses ……….use lip liner……..change how she talks……..(palin has done this)……….not answering the questions…….she could be palins sister………..they open their mouths and you hear the same words………this is creepy…..more reasons to not sleep at night…….what was that old movie……….i can’t remember ………pod people………..they look the same

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Deb,,, i really think Powell will come to the dark side and vote dem this year.. he’s smart, pragmatic and honorable. I think he is smart enough to see what we all have seen in Obama and will choose the only intelligent choice.

What scares me more than anything is how so many people in this country can’t see it and drink the koolaid. Powell was betrayed and lied to so many times, there is just no way he can vote McCain with a clear conscience.

Can’t happen.! Lets see on sunday.

17 10 2008
Deb

if powell is a “stand-up” guy and stays true to the integrity of WHY he was fired by bush…he HAS to choose obama

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

My god. What the hell is going on? I watched Tina on Letterman, and she said she doesn’t know if she’s going to be on this weekend or not. I really think SNL will skewer Palin. At least, I hope they do.

Bachmann is not related to Bachman, the two people who were shot in China right before the Olympics. The latter are respected members of the community who are part of the Bachman Floral Company. The former is a crazy, gay-spying, bush-crouching, hypocritical “Christian” idiot who is an outrage to MN and to the country (as I said on the petition to censure her).

Ok. How about we send her with the Palins to Purgatory? That sounds about right to me. Y’all are right that MN doesn’t deserve her, either, just because one district was stupid enough (and red enough) to vote for her.

Go Elwyn! You da man! It’s time to kick out the riff-raff, Mudflatters, and thank you for helping clean my home state.

17 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

Signed the petition. Donated. She is an abomination.

RE: SNL. You guys, SNL has been at this for years…trust that they will make it work. Watch. It’s OK to watch. They are providing a commentary on our times, with humor. But there is always a back story. They will not beatify Bible Spice. Watching in real time makes it a “happening” – the cosmic energy will be awesome!

Take a step back and see what AKM has led us to us create here…a microcosm of the beautiful, loving world Barack wants to build. So let’s do what we have been doing….accepting all points of view, debating the issues, loving our country, and above all, caring for what is best for each other.

I can’t wait to see the report and photos from the Pittsburgh MudStock! 🙂

17 10 2008
Trini

Oops! Must have hit the wrong button. Here’s a welcoming site on Michele Bachmann. Not! I love Minnesota and she’s a talking stain on that fair state.

http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/

17 10 2008
Deb

mrht- now you may call me crazy (won’t be the first time) but I have yet to watch bachman actually speak…the reaction I have seen…and quotes from her diatribe…has given me enough info to tell me i don’t WANT to watch her IRL…(it’s kind of like someone sniffing sour milk from the fridge and then asking you to smell it)…I control what I listen to…and at this point in time…I try to stay focused on the positive “can we all say “oouohhhhmmmm”?)

17 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

BIBLE SPICE – That is so perfect !!!! ROFL

17 10 2008
awake'n aware

Off topic but I just wanted to share this with you all. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did😉

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/yuna-shin/students-for-change-parad_b_135453.html

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

To be fair, Bea, she was, uh, adjusting her shoe because, uh, the heel broke. Yeah, right. I didn’t believe it then, and I certainly don’t believe it now.

Michelle Bachmann is just like Palin and Harris. I think she pisses me off even more because she’s from my state. She is scary looking and has an ugly heart.

calico girl: Pawlenty rammed through a bill so that the taxpayers of Hennepin County (the poorest county in MN, or at least, one of them) had to subsidize a three hundred million dollar stadium for Carl Pohlad, the billionaire who owns the Twins. I loathe him.

17 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

Vlad – I know, isn’t it perfect! I’m not sure who came up with it, but Bible Spice is pure genius!

17 10 2008
Deb

asian!!!! LOL@ purgatory….made me spew my wine here (raised as a good catholic girl, I was!)

17 10 2008
Grandma Nancy MN

Thank you to all who all those who signed the censure petition, and/or donated to Tinklenberg. Michelle Bachmann certainly doesn’t “represent” ME even though I live in the district that sent her to Washington. Hopefully she will not return to Washington!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Palin hasn’t seen the script yet. She probably will just read from the teleprompter which is all she can do. I have faith in SNL. She’s an idiot. She won’t realize that they are making fun of her. Also, she’s vain enough to think they are flattering her.

@Deb–I couldn’t watch the whole video of Michele Bachmann, either. She was pissing me off too much.

I, too, would like to profusely thank all you Mudflatters for helping MN take out the trash. I am warmed by the generosity found here.

17 10 2008
Deb

marty- I know that some here think I am “over the top” over sp’s appearance on SNL….but, when you consider the kool-aid drinkiers, ANY win is interpreted as a rally point and her SNL appearance will be USED as a rally point for her in all appearances afterwards….those of us who are smart enough to SEE the satire will see it…the rest will just see it as another feather in the SP hat!

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Nancy, she was just repulsive tonight. to think someone like that could be in public office was just scary.

she generated more money for her opponent than he raised today.

we don’t want those people in Congress. Lets hope Tinglenberg whips her ass

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Deb, it’ll happen that way if you watch or don’t watch.. why not just enjoy the satire and ridicule her along with the rest of us.. we’ll all be here typing furiously.. you know you’ll want to be part of the ANTIPALIN support group..
🙂

You can sit on my lap if you want during SNL.. hahahahah

17 10 2008
Lighthouse (or Sport Grunt Hussein)

Shikago:

Thanks for posting the link to the Chicago Tribune endorsement. You’re right, it’s very powerful, and it is exactly what I’ve been needing as a response to the people, (so many people!) who have figured out that McCain and Palin are wrong wrong wrong!!!, but for some reason they haven’t figured out yet that they have a choice!

And what an understatement that is. Barack Obama is much more than a choice.

The Tribune endorsement will be making it’s way around rural northeastern Colorado.

17 10 2008
Deb

c’mon people…this is a woman who metaphorically gave the finger to a legislative committee…and now SNL is giving her an “audience”????

17 10 2008
Lorrie

I’ve been going back and forth on who Powell will endorse… but after thinking long and hard, it only makes sense that Obama will at least get the nod (if not an official endorsement).

One.. if he’s supporting McCain, I don’t believe he would come out on Meet The Press and say it loudly. I don’t believe he would want to hurt Obama at this point in the race.

Two.. as a strong Military Man, I can’t believe he could POSSIBLY support Palin being a ‘heart-beat away’ from Commander in Chief.

Three… Powell is a Moderate and I think he has a real dislike for the neocons and he must be abhorred by the attacks and dirty play coming from the McCain campaign.

Four… this article about the timing of his endorsement really makes sense.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/10/10381_powel_endorsement_obama_wilkerson.html

17 10 2008
Deb

dammit…and I spell checked “committee and it STILL doesn’t look right! call me “obsessive”

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Deb, give her a chance.. she’ll be a disaster if anyone from SNL has anything to say about it… They’ll make sure she leaves stupider than she arrives..

17 10 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Someone mentioned dying trees in New Jersey. I think you are probably right, here is what I know from the other side of the country. While I believe we are contributing heavily to global warming I am also aware based on fossils that the area where I live was once much warmer than it is now. I base this on fossil evidence, I have a counter top made of slices of a petrified palm tree that a friend of mine found buried on his land while he was excavating to build his house, apparently they are very common in this area not far from the Canadian boarder.
I have seen a number of trees tyoes dying off on my land near a river in southern puget sound. mainly it has been hemlock which has a semi shallow root system but requires alot of water. I have come to believe the water table is dropping, while we still get lots of rain it is also getting warmer so more water evaporates. I have been kicking around the PNW for over 40 years the difference is noticable when I was in my teens it was unheard of for tempetures to hit 90 now it happens often, in fact we have plenty of days over 100. On the family farm is a pond where my 88 year old mother skated every winter when she was young, in my life time it has frozen over twice. The world has been heating up for awhile now.
Perhaps the most interesting thing i have seen is an ancient city off the coast of southern Mexico that, at it’s shallowest is under 40 feet of water, that is how far the sea has risen since this city was built around 2500 years ago.
I am not sure there is anything we can do to stop it, anyone who has ever been in an earthquake knows when the earth decides to do something it does it. Much as fleas have no control over the dog they live on we have very little contol over our hostess. We may be able to slow things down a bit by cleaning up our environment but in my opinion that horse has done left the barn.

17 10 2008
Deb

marty…I won’t watch another “trainwreck”, but I love mudflats and I will have to close my eyes next week when she “brags” about her SNL appearance (conscience will be clear here)

17 10 2008
scaredinfairbanks

Did you know that the Alaska Independence Party (AIP) has a candidate on the ballot for the presidential election? Say it ain’t so Joe…..but no, it’s true.
Chuck Baldwin. Read all about him at http://www.baldwin08.com
Interestingly enough he graduated from Liberty Bible Institute at Liberty University. Since he earned his Bachelor and Master Degrees in Theology, from Christian bible College, Chuck has received two honorary Doctorate Degrees. He was also past chair of the Florida Moral Majority.

And then, there is the Libertarian ticket, Bob Barr for Prez and Wayne Allyn Root for VP. And Wayne’s kids are named Dakota, Hudson, Remington, and Contessa. I am not even joking. Check it out at http://www.rootforamerica.com

Lots more competition out there than I realized, including for amazing names for your children!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

I think McCain’s whole campaign proves there is a whole lotta stupid going on in this country–Palin is just a manifestation of this idiocy.

@Wired Hussein Differently–oh, ok. I guess I can share Rachel. Grudgingly.

Bush…has there ever been such a stupid, laughable president? Every time he talks, I wince in shame.

You know, this is the first time I’m excited about the candidate for whom I am voting. It’s about damn time.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Deb ok.. just be here and we’ll relate what’s happening.. maybe tivo it just incase she really crashes and burns and you can watch it later..otherwise, just delete it..😉

take care.. im off to sleep.. late enough.. !

17 10 2008
Deb

btw-some of us old vietnam war protestors still remember that it doesn’t matter if our “protest” isn’t seen….it’s the protest that matters (and I have a clear conscience on vietnam as well and would tell that face-to-face to mccain)

17 10 2008
Deb

k marty…I will just BREATHE now! (focus) (ooouuummm)
🙂

(guess you can tell, I wasn’t an “ayer’s type of protestor…more ghandi-like, I would hope)

17 10 2008
braveny

I sanctioned Bachmann and donated to Tingle….

was nice to tell Michele in an email that as a real American I was glad to have the right to donate to her opponent. lol It felt good too!

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

@Deb, I don’t think you’re overreacting. If it doesn’t feel right to you, don’t watch. I have had that reaction before, and I honor that, even if it seems silly. There are things that bother me that others would question, but I am the one who has to live with the consequences.

17 10 2008
Deb

brave-what a nice idea…although I signed the censure, I didn’t tell her I made a donation to her opponent I just told her”

MS. Bachmann-
we, are anti-american because we dissent? we are anti-american because we don’t agree with the GOP? I’m sorry MS. Bachmann…I will dissent and disagree…because that is the FOUNDATION of this great U.S!! SHAME ON YOU! Go study the constitution!

***

59 year old registered INDEPENDENT voter!! (and considers herself an AMERICAN since I was born in the great state of Texas and have lived in over 5 states of these great United States)

*I included my name, address and phone number

17 10 2008
PDX Hussein That One MB

Shikago–appreciated your take on the import of the Trib endorsement. I have been in an ugly debate w/my cousin who clearly has her head up her rear-end. She lives in S. Ill, retired military, keeps sending me vile crap she gets from faux news… I emailed it to her, asking her to thoughtfully consider what they said, reminded her that if any publication had vetted Sen. Obama, they would have. I was giddy. Can’t believe we came from the same gene pool.

17 10 2008
knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin

Thanks so much for posting this, AKM.
It’s been tearing at me for some time that the sewage and chemicals running off, (and sometimes deliberately dumped), as well as the drilling and gas/oil issues into Cook Inlet was causing damage to wildlife. Let’s hope it’s not irreparable.

We have to change our ways, not the animals.

17 10 2008
ira2

Oy. It just came to me that what with my “income” being 100% public assistance, I am donating republican government money to support Mr. Tinklenberg. If you forget the middleman (moi) for a minute, that translates to the republican government giving Tinklenberg a boost into Washington :o) Ain’t it a beaut?!

17 10 2008
Deb

ok…I apologize, mudflatters, for my “rant” on here about sp’s appearance on SNL….I did everything I could possible do to STOP that appearance (letter deluge to the network)

you all watch…I will not guarantee that I will be here, until long AFTER it is over and the stench of her appearance has settled….but that is just me you all ENJOY!

I will most likely drop in and “lurk” as much as I can take of convo about her appearance…and I will be back when I can handle it!

I love mudflats and you all…..

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

@Deb, no need to apologize. If I had to do that every time I ranted…I would be spending all my time apologizing.

@ira2, that’s beautiful. I love poetic justice.

17 10 2008
Grandma Nancy MN

I just checked one last time before I go to bed — Tinklenberg donations now up over $85,000.00. Nice job that Michelle Bachmann did for Tinklenberg today. I think she helped buy him a guaranteed ticket to Washington! If the donations keep going up, it will be well over $100,000.00 by morning. Thanks again, everybody!

17 10 2008
Deb

go tinklenberg! (spelling again?” even thought I donated

17 10 2008
Pursang

To a degree I can understand people’s desires to use the Earth’s natural resources. Especially when you see the developing countries being lectured by the developed West. After all we’ve used all of ours and made our economy strong in doing so. Now we sit here and lecture developing countries for doing the same thing so you can see why they would think of us as hypocrites. Sort of like we had our but you can’t have yours.

This goes along with Alaska’s desire to use their natural resources to make themselves a better state and then to have the Lower 48 put up hurdle after hurdle must upset them tremendously.

I guess though that we’ve learned from our mistakes and are trying to make retributions by stopping the mining practices that cause enviromental disasters or protect the animals that are rapidly becoming extinct. Still perhaps we need to make monetary exchanges to developing countries to keep them from doing what we did, to help them become properous without killing the environment. Worth looking at I suppose.

The health of the animal population is a way to determine how our planet is doing. With animals becoming extinct and vast portions of forest dying Earth is trying to tell us that something is wrong, that it is sick. It’s time we start to listen for the sake of the children and grandchildren out there or they won’t be able to save her no matter what they do.

I wish the whales, moose, polar bears, and wolves the best of luck. You deserve your part of this planet and if we don’t help them the world will be the worse for it.

17 10 2008
Pursang

Please don’t mention Michelle Bachmann. She’s our generations Tailgunner Joe McCarthy. A perfect rightwing Presidential ticket in 2012 would be Palin and Bachmann. Two fundies for the price of one plus two nuts for spouses as well. We’d have Toddy “First Dude” Palin and Bachmann’s husband makes a living turning homosexuals into heterosexuals so I guess that would be 4 Peas in a Pod..but at least they’d all be the “right” type of Americans unlike us anti-American liberals.

17 10 2008
Deb

I do have a class tomorrow early so I am going to bed. As always….this place has given me a place not only to “rant”, but links to ACTION, facts, and fun!

I thank you ALL…and I thank AKM!!!!

17 10 2008
braveny

I would surely like to see Tinklenberg’s face in the morning when he sees what we as Dissenters can do when we put a mind to it. God Bless us Everyone!

Nite nite all..

OH.. don’t forget to donate to Obama too! he has a donation match going on till midnight!
check your email for the link.

17 10 2008
SMR

thanks Ira2 for the translation — that is funny when you think about it, makes it easier to watch her when you can snicker about her name…

On a bright note, everyone, daughter & I stopped by Side Street Espresso & donated $$ on behalf of Mudflatters around the world. They’re giving the money to Obama, yay! On the walk to the shop I was thinking that it seems like a million years since we were all on the edge of our seats waiting for the Branchflower report to be released. I simply cannot believe that it has only been a week. I really really can’t wait for this election to be over. Voting early next Monday!

I cannot take credit for Bible Spice — it was a name given by someone on a comment string on an article that I read somewhere at some time in the past, can’t remember. Loved it & adopted it to take home & treasure & shared it with you all…

And finally, Deb — I am right there with you. I cannot believe that SNL is giving her any credibility by having her on their show. I consider it an implied endorsement of her hate-mongering! NOT because I think that the left-leaning SNL people really believe her lies or support them, but because their having her on their show gives all of her lies & hate-mongering weight that it should not have. I will never ever ever watch SNL again — except my best of 2006-07 dvd that has the uncensored Dick in a Box. If you haven’t yet seen that one then you need to watch it quick, THEN boycott them. I am with you, I am supporting you, and we will find fine new shows to take SNL’s place in our hearts! Besides Tina Fey, nobody can live up to the stuff that we got to see so many years ago — Chevy Chase, John Belushi, Dana Carvey, etc. etc. Dick in a Box is the only skit they’ve shown for years & years & years that made me cry laughing, the new Bible Spice spoofs can’t touch it. You will really appreciate it if A) you’ve ever had a guy in your life that thought he was God’s gift, and B) if you have a teen that subjects you to Justin Timberlake often.

17 10 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

One more and then it’s off to sleep for me.
My opinion Colin Powell will endorse Obama, regardless of what the right wing nut jobs want everyone to believe Barrack Obama has shown he is a righteous guy with intergrity just like Powell. The right wing nut jobs will try to belittle Powell for it , but they would belittle Jesus himself if they thought he was leaning toward Obama. I can’t help but thinking we are seeing a case of national synchronicity, I mean how likely would it be for our first serious multiracial contendor for president to accept his nomination on the anniversery of MLKs most famous speech. He came from no where, I had never even heard of Barrack Obama a year ago, no one knew he would win the primary it could not possibly have been planned that way. Then we have watched as everything the republicans have tried to pull has blown up squarely in thier faces. While I don’t want to count my chickens before they hatch seems to me like this might just be one of those meant to be things.

As for Saturday Night Live, I am actually suprised Sarah would even consider going on there. Wouldn’t think it would be the evangelical cup of tea, in fact it would seem more like the thing they are always railing against as sign that we are all turning into amoral brain less tools of satan. 🙂 I doubt Sarah will come out of it unscathed, but I imagine the she will barely notice she has been barbequed she isn’t exactly a rocket scientist afterall.

17 10 2008
braveny

I had to post one more thing…

Cindy McCain’s Tax Returns Released tonight. of course.. on Friday night. They are so predictable!!

here is the link:

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/17/1562754.aspx

17 10 2008
braveny

Cindy McCains Tax Returns released on Friday night
(http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/17/1562754.aspx)

last one didn’t post… sniff.. I have been spamminated

17 10 2008
ira2

Another one on the German name translation express:

Bachmann translates as Creekman. Hope it turns into “without a paddle and up the creek, man!”

17 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

“Winski (20:30:20) :
It must be nice to have a governor that gets stupider by measurable amounts each day.”

It would be even nicer if she got smaller as she did it, and then just faded away before election day. Unfortunately with the Pinocchio factor her nose would keep growing and end up like the Far Side cartoon about the revenge of Dr. Somebody’s (I forget the name) nose. It’s an interesting image though something like the SNL debate skit with the three inch tall “Joe the Plumber.”
On another random thought, It’s interesting that McCain is so fascinated with plumbers, first G. Gordon Liddy and then Joe. Maybe he’s hoping Joe can steal the election for him the same way Nixon’s plumbers did for Nixon.

17 10 2008
ira2

Oh! I’m so rusty after so many years out of the old country! It just registered that Pfotenhauer can actually be translated as “pawchopper” and not just pawslapper. A Holzhauer is one who chops wood, therefore a Pfotenhauer is one who chops paws. Good grief, she’s even named to be Palin’s right hand Nazi what with the wolf paw issue!!

17 10 2008
carolyn

I really love this blog. But, this term “lower 48” -where does Hawaii fit in to that?

really a great blog! aloha…

17 10 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

PDX Hussein That One MB (21:56:47) :

emailed it to her, asking her to thoughtfully consider what they said, reminded her that if any publication had vetted Sen. Obama, they would have. I was giddy. Can’t believe we came from the same gene pool.
—————
I know that feeling, my cousin Chucky is a envangelical preacher with whom I disagree on absoutley everything. I am not a violent person, but have never wanted to slug someone so much in my life as him. Thank goodness Thanksgiving is after the election, don’t think I could be trusted in the same room with him until the election is over (as long as Obama wins) if McCain wins and I have to listen to him gloat I make no promises he will be able to leave under his own steam.🙂

17 10 2008
Pat

What next? It is so plain that Palin has no regard for any wildlife unless it’s mounted on a wall of thrown over the back of a sofa. I love watching the belugas at the Point Defiance Zoo in Tacoma, Washington. But I would much rather people continue having the close interaction with them in the wild. They are some of God’s special and very beautiful creatures. It’s a shame that Palin has no appreciation for them.

Pat

17 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

I just read the last thread, and congrats to everyone for completely ignoring the troll. Well done.

Also, I want to reiterate that MN is really a blue state, no, really, it is. District 6 (Bachmann’s district) just happens to be one of the more conservative ones. Oh, all right, it’s been purple for the last several years, but I have high hopes it will go blue again.

I agree with…sorry, I don’t remember who said it on the previous thread, but whomever stated that McCain should denounce what Bachmann said on “Hardball”. It is, by far, one of the most offensive things said by a pol this election season.

Come on, Elwyn Tinklenberg! You can do it!

17 10 2008
AKaurora

Carolyn–The “Lower 48” term harkens back to territorial days before AK and HI were added. It’s just a carryover colloquialism, like “the States”.

17 10 2008
ira2

Off topic thought before going to bed:

I went to Goodwill today for my annual $40 winter clothing shopping trip. The Bemidji Goodwill store is fairly small compared to big-city stores, but they still have a huge selection of nice clothes. Once again, I was struck by how many of the outfits look like they’d been worn only once, if that – some have the original store tabs still attached! – and I couldn’t shake the thought that much of the clothing that people donate was probably bought with credit cards and isn’t even paid off yet. If it was cheap stuff from Walmart or something, it’d be easier to understand, maybe, but these are fancy brand-name clothes. When you wander around in a Goodwill store and see all the donated/discarded goodies there, it’s hard to believe that we’re in deep financial trouble these days. It’s a somewhat shocking reminder of how far off track we’ve gone in our ideas of what’s “normal”.

I’m too tired to think it through, but it seems that there might be a relation between this and other off-the-tracks ideas that we don’t really see as off-the-track because we’ve been conditioned (and have conditioned ourselves) to find it normal. Maybe that’s why this election is so electrifying… we got shocking intelligence and reason on one side, and shocking retro 50s idiocy on the other side. It sure shakes up “normal”, doesn’t it.

Btw, I made out like a bandit :o) It’s amazing what $40 can buy even in an overpriced thrift store like Goodwill :o)

18 10 2008
shoeho

Ah, yes, another species for Sarah to discount. If it wasn’t for the “unborn” I seriously doubt R’s would like anyone or thing except themselves.

ira2, I know what you mean about people who shop for “sport,” I’ve been known to do it myself, albeit with cash. However, sometimes there is a “good” reason for all those unworn duds. When Grandma passed, we found a bunch of stuff in her closet with tags still on. She’d been planning a long cruise. Goodwill/Salvation Army made out.

18 10 2008
Pat

I hope I haven’t caused trouble for mudflats..I just posted the url, in the comments section of the Bangor Daily News.
There are several appallingly IGNORANT, regular posters there who spew forth R LImbaugh filth. If the paper is reporting truthfully ( they are pretty neutral) 5,000 turned out to see palin in Bangor.
Even after Susan Collins, ( who has been joined at the hip with Bush & Lieberman for the last 6 years…) requested the mccain campaign to remove the Ayers/Obama robo calls from our state, and they love her and will probably vote her back in…….they have swallowed the LIMBAUGH KOOLAIDE ABOUT BILL AYERS! Get this! All our troubles ( financial meltdown) are because the Democrats have been running Congress for the last 2 years!
We have 4 electoral votes. If enough stoopids, here in the 2nd district, vote mccain/palin ( & the yard signs are starting to sprout) 2 of those 4 votes will go to m/p not Obama.
I had a neighbor a few years back……she was part Native American, had worked on the Alaska pipeline, and was substitute teaching in our local school system. SHe used to complain bitterly about the “inbreed-enss” ( sp?) of the locals………
One day she met someone from NJ online, picked up, left her husband and 13 year old son, and has never looked back!

18 10 2008
Susie in Jersey

First I want to thank AKM for doing the piece on the whales. When I heard that SWWNBN disputed “the scientific evidence” on the status of the whales, I almost drove the car into a ditch. What an stupid, stupid, stupid person she is.

To witsendnj (16:18:31) :

The trees in NJ are not dying and we are not in a drought situation.

The needles of white pine, spruce and hemlock normally turn brown at this time of the year and drop off. Sometimes here at my place, with the wind blowing, it can look like it is raining pine needles.

When trees lose their leaves, leaf drop starts from the crown and moves down. With some trees, such a sycamores and buckeyes, the leaves don’t get much color at all. The leaves just turn dry and brown and fall off, early in the season. That is all perfectly normal.

Ash trees and black locust also lose their leaves very early.

So, no, the trees in NJ are not dying and we are not in a drought.

18 10 2008
angryxer

In all the back & forth about SP on SNL, I haven’t seen this point brought up– what if SNL said no? Are you kidding me? That would be such fuel for the rightwingnuts to excoriate it as a discriminatory coastal elite blah blah blah… this way they get around it and don’t lose any of the largely bipartisan Tina Fey love. It really is damned if you do, damned if you don’t with the unhinged GOP these days. Mind you, I don’t want to watch SP on SNL either, but as a few other folks have said, there’s a good chance it good go really badly (which is what I’m rooting for!)

Thanks for all the Bachmann info above… I used to live in MN before its dreadful lurch rightward, and am thrilled that she has quite possibly just been hoisted by her own petard, in a seat that was otherwise supposed to be safe. Fingers crossed the payback will come Nov 4!

18 10 2008
angryxer

dang! typo. I meant “it COULD go really badly.”

18 10 2008
deb2012

There are over 400 comments but only 4 “diggs”
Get this article moved up in the headlines! Click the icon to “digg” it!
AKM do a short post on how to do this!

18 10 2008
Pat

Fedupnj & Susie in NJ……….I used to live onthe edge of the Pine Barrens. When I came to coastal, Downeast Maine 17 years ago, NJ was already exeriencing, 4 FULL months of summer weather. And I remember from my childhood in the 40’s, ice skating for a good portion of the winter…..enough snow to be given skis for Christmas……… later in the early 70’s I tried to take my kids skiing one day; we wound up renting horses because it was too warm to even keep the manufactured snow from melting!
In the 60’s, 70’s my parents lived in Albany, NY. I remember the dire condition of the trees along the NY Thruway, and the Garden State Parkway, yellowing browning leaves, conifers as well. Earth Day happened along with a major effort to reduce the acid rain…………..It worked, the trees survived, looked healthy again…..BUT we have just endured 8 years of Bush’s disastrous pandering to the BIG polluters. I watched ( on cspan) the Kyoto Treaty meeting in the spring of 2001, BEFORE 9/11 even happened. WE DIDN”T SIGN,,, THE TREATY and a lot of countries were pretty peeved with us.,
Yes my trees on the coast of Maine look pretty sickly too……………I have Hemlock wooley adalged on my 2 hemlock trees……………..which are killing them ( unless the Safer soap works) and something really weird devouring the cones on my beautiful little spruce tree I dug up and brought home about 14 years ago! I have to drag a ladder out teeter on the slope and take a photo for the co-operative extension……
The choke cherry trees just look sick, limp yellowish spotty leaves……….and a black fungus. It wasn’t like this 17 years when I first moved here……………..
( I am a landsape painter……….critically observant!)
fedupnj; have you gone to the New Brunswick Rutgers Campus with questions? They had a wonderful collection of exotic trees there last time I looked, 1983, they would know. I see Oldwicke is not too far from there.

18 10 2008
Pat

Forgot to say, the garden was a disaster this year…… every pest known to man, too dry too wet…………Imagine a zuccinni plant that only produces 2 squash in a season.unheard of. Every gardener has a good recipe for zuccinni bread to take up the overage!

18 10 2008
Scotsgirl

Did the censure petition and donated to Mr T. Thank you AKM and all ‘pupps for great info, talking points, umour and a way to help other states/people in need tis election. Loving it from Texas,
Avril

18 10 2008
rachelbirds

Oil and gas interests
have bankrupted our future —
animals be damned.

http://www.thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com

18 10 2008
TewksburyObama

To: witsendnj

I think I know your property. Have you had someone from either URWA, as you’re in their watershed, or NJCF, as you’re also in the Black River Greenway, come in to look at your trees and make suggestions as to how to manage them?

Also, if you need to take the black walnut trees down the wood might sell for more than what it cost to remove the tree.

18 10 2008
Sarah

McCain’s association with Liddy isn’t news. The Chicago Tribune covered it back in May, when the Clinton campaign was roadtesting the McCain campaign’s tactics. Let’s compare:

* Bill Ayers participated in bombing a statue, the New York Police headquarters, the U.S. Capitol, and the Pentagon. G. Gordon Liddy participated in a White house plot to subvert the Constitution.
* Ayers has never been convicted or served prison time. Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, and illegal wire-tapping, was senteced to 20 years, and served 5.5 until President Carter commuted his sentence.
* Ayers is now a professor of education. Liddy is a conservative talk radio host.
* Ayers has said “we didn’t do enough” to stop the Vietnam War, a statement interpreted by some to mean he thinks he should have set off more bombs in the early 1970s. In 1994, after the feds stormed the branch Davidian compound in Waco, Liddy said on his radio program, [sorry, rough language coming] “Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches.” (And as for Liddy on Hitler….)
* Ayers and his wife hosted a campaign event at his house for Obama in 1995. Liddy hosted a campaign event for McCain in 1998.
* Ayers donated $200 to Obama in 2001. Liddy has given at least $5,000 to McCain over the years, including $1,000 this year.
* Senator Obama has called Ayers’ terrorist acts “despicable” and condemned them. Senator McCain appeared on Liddy’s radio show last November and said, “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family…. It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”

I’m not going to bother with quantifying the sins of Ayers and Liddy. And please note, I offer no defense of Ayers here. Go ahead, assume the worst of both men, and you can say, as does Chapman, that each man “back in the 1970s, extolled violence and committed crimes in the name of a radical ideology — and… has never shown remorse or admitted error.”

It’s simple: if you think Ayers is a voting issue, then you must think Liddy is a voting issue. Have fun voting for Barr or Nader.

18 10 2008
Lindainboston

The Beluga Whale Story was the first thing I heard on NPR from the BBC when I got up this morning. More goes global. Thanks again AKM

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18 10 2008
A Nana from Alaska

Thanks to everyone who works locally, regionally, and globally for a more healthy planet. Palin is no role model–NO, NO, NO!

18 10 2008
McFailin

I was lucky enough to spend 3 weeks in Anchorage in the early ’90’s, and one evening I drove down the Seward Hwy and saw the pods of belugas in the inlet. Pretty magical evening – there were Dall’s sheep in the roadway, and on the other side were the belugas. I couldn’t believe they were whales, just looked like huge numbers of big white rocks out in the water. Wish I’d known about a place to see them closer.

Then I had a wonderful interaction with one of the belugas at the Vancouver Aquarium in BC – it was pouring rain, but I’d gone outside to see the pool. He kept sticking his head out and whistling at me, nodding his head at me. Then when I went inside, he dove down and kept swimming by the window where I was standing. Gorgeous, incredible animal. This woman must be stopped on her quest to get rid of everything worthwhile on the planet.

18 10 2008
cany

The bottom line: five plaintiffs are saving the beluga and they could no doubt use some donations to help this and other work. They certainly deserve everyone’s thanks.

Center for Biological Diversity
Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)

and three Alaskan groups:
Cook InletKeeper
Alaska Center for the Environment
North Gulf Oceanic Society

Folks, send em some love and if you can, send them some cash. This work costs money.

18 10 2008
DrChill

witsendnj (16:18:31) :
Gail –
Have you contacted local colleges that offer environmental studies, or the EPA – http://www.state.nj.us/dep/

Sometimes it takes someone like you to make a few calls…
Good luck.

18 10 2008
intelligentbydesign

So, I see I’m coming in a little late on this one, but I have forced myself to stomach Bachmann’s comments, and given an analysis on how they are exactly the kinds of comments and tactics McCarthy used (ESPECIALLY when she calls out college professors, and asks for investigations of US Congress-people for their possible “anti-American” sentiments) over at my blog. It’s the top post, just click my name to get over there. Also, there is a petition going around to request Congress censure this disgustingly vitriolic representative, so that even those of us who are too poor at current to donate can at least do something. http://www.censurebachmann.com

19 10 2008
Mae

Yo AkMuck,
Hunting was not banned… to state that Alaska Native subsistence hunting of CI beluga was banned is a total slap in the face of all the work conducted by hunters.

Ted Stevens put a moritorium on hunting till the NMFS and hunters gather and work out a co management agreement. (check out the 1994 amendments to the MMPA for what a co management agreement is …)

NMFS administration is not for co management agreements, never have been. Alaska Natives in the CI region wanted a comanagment agreement, yet the willywally of NMFS halted the process. However NMFS did NOT have a problem funding fuel and going along on beluga hunting trips to get biosamples for research. NMFS also had decided to not fund population research till hunters told them there is a serious diminishment of the numbers. So what did NMFS do? Decided to up the funding for fuel and helicopters to get more biosamples from hunters.

HUNTING WAS NOT BANNED.

Look the MMPA, ESA and marine mammal subsistence hunting by Alaska Natives is totally complicated, only because everyone has a opinion and a way it is supposed to be managed. And my opinion is that if the federal gov managers would just do their jobs as manadated under the MMPA and ESA, we wouldn’t have clueless blog writers stating that hunting was banned.

20 10 2008
Dan

Palin is a hate monger




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