Say it Ain’t So, Joe (the Plumber).

16 10 2008

Barack Obama and Sam the Businessman

Last night at the debate, we were introduced to the new American Everyman – “Joe the Plumber”.  The Joe Sixpack meme wasn’t quite working out for the Republicans.  Somehow the image of a guy in a white t-shirt coming home after work, and sitting in the chair with a bag of Doritos, downinging multiple alcoholic beverages while watching the tube, actually didn’t resonate with most Americans.  Go figure.  Even people whom others would describe as “Joe Sixpack” didn’t want to identify themselves as “Joe Sixpack.”  Just not that flattering.

So, lo….a shiny new ‘Joe’ emerged from the Republican playbook.  He’s industrious, hard-working, and middle class, with an entrepreneurial spirit.  Joe the Plumber (aka Joe Wurzelbacher of Ohio)!  Any profession would have done, but the most important thing was that Joe was just like us.  Kind of like Sarah Palin with no hair.  Joe’s an independent voter, just trying to better himself, and move up in the world, not sure who he’s going to vote for, and worried about the pocketbook.  The future is uncertain for Joe.  He needs answers.  He went to Barack Obama.  And that’s when it all hit the fan.  

McCain tells us at the debate, while practically giddy with ‘gotcha’, that poor Joe found out that he will have his taxes raised in an Obama administration, which will prevent him from buying the business he works for, and thus in one fell swoop, Obama dashed his American dream on the rocks.  McCain on the other hand, will save the plumber who makes more than $250,000 a year, by cutting his taxes.

Joe the Plumber was mentioned by both candidates  no less than 20 times during the debate.  This was the theme.  If you got Joe’s vote….you got the nation.

So, just who is the REAL Joe the Plumber?

  • His name is not Joe….it’s Samuel.
  • He is not a plumber…at least he doesn’t have a license
  • He does NOT like paying taxes.  In fact he dislikes it so much…he doesn’t.
  • He is not undecided, as evidenced by multiple interviews in which he happily regurgitates McCain talking points like a Republican papa bird feeding the gaping yaws of its conservative young.
  • He makes less than $250,000 a year and would therefore benefit from an Obama tax plan.  Although he said that when he asked Obama about taxes, he tapdanced around the issue “almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.”  *cringe*

What do the unions have to say about the faux plumber?

  • Tim Burga of the AFL-CIO says, “You can quote me as saying, ‘Joe is not a plumber he’s a businessman.  If we don’t elect Barack Obama, the plumbing business and working families dreams will go down the drain.'”  And yes, the United Association of Plumbers and Pipefitters has already endorsed Barack Obama. 

And what about the other Joe?  You know, “Joe the next VP”.

“John [McCain] continues to cling to the notion of this guy Joe the Plumber,” Mr. Biden said on NBC’s Today show. “I don’t have any Joe the plumbers in my neighbourhood that make $250,000 a year. The Joe the plumbers in my neighbourhood, the Joe the cops in my neighbourhood, the Joe the grocery store owners in my neighborhood, they make, like 98 per cent of the small businesses, less than $250,000 a year.”

And the final coup de grace, as if we needed one, is that Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher’s name is misspelled on his voter registration.  So, I’m assuming that this horrible case of potential voter fraud means that the Republicans will see to it that he’ll be challenged at the polls on election day, right?  Riiiight.

UPDATE – CHAPTER TWO. BIZARRE COINCIDENCES

  • Joe’s father Robert Wurzelbacher has the same name as the son-in-law of Charles Keating.
  • Joe apparently used to live in North Pole, Alaska, just outside of Fairbanks.  His son, seen standing next to him as he talked taxes with Barack Obama was born in North Pole.  Joe made it down the stairs just in time to see his son delivered on the wood floor of their home…  as reported in The Anchorage Daily News.  I think I’ve had enough of Alaska in the news….can we stop now??

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16 10 2008
Zim in Oz

Dear me…is there no end to this….?

They really are a gift that keeps giving.

Can’t wait for the comedians on this lot !😉

Via Obama/Biden

16 10 2008
Meat Notgay Hussein

Will Joe have to vote with a provisional ballot?

16 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin)

SNL will be great on Saturday…

16 10 2008
katiebegood

Apparently Joe earned $40,000 in 2006 and is no where near in a position to buy the company he works for that is really only worth $100,000. Joe is also a darling of the right wing radio circuit in his area and had been on their shows many times before popping up as the Republicans latest poster boy.

He looks like a skin head, has a lien on his home for back taxes and he hates Social Security and would like to see it abolished. The guy is a poster boy all right, a poster boy for the Right.

16 10 2008
Lana, KY

Jon Stewart on the Daily Show just did a segment on Joe the Plumber.

Said: ” Joe the Plumber has already done more interviews than Sarah Palin…”
Priceless.

plus they showed some butt cracks of plumbers … classic !

16 10 2008
mudslide pike

Went you play in the slime like McSame/Falin you just can;t get your head out of the crapper.

What’s next for McSame something like Watergate? I think there were plummers there.

16 10 2008
Jackie Lee

UPDATE: Joe is not related to Keating; that mistake has been corrected.

He is a registered Republican who voted in the Ohio primary in March.

Thank you. I removed the reference. AKM

16 10 2008
JT

Hi….Just peeked over at the Hannity forum…apparently some are upset cause O’Rielly seems to be a “closet Obama supporter”. Heheheheee

A few were yammering that they were going to turn off Fox…getting too liberal!

Oh my! I work all day, miss the news, and Fox goes liberal!

What else have I missed??

16 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Can’t believe McC didn’t VET another one …. goodness sakes — his team is too busy lobbying to pay attention to the campaign

16 10 2008
Wesson HUSSEIN Scalper Canuck for Choice

“So, just who is the REAL Joe the Plumber?
He does NOT like paying taxes. In fact he dislikes it so much…he doesn’t.”

LOL – well said, AKM.

The guy playing Obama does him really well, and even looks like him.

16 10 2008
Lighthouse (or Sport Grunt Hussein)

Is anybody else noticing that the full-of-crap emails about Barack Obama have seen a definite resurgence in the last week? Or is it just my mailbox that being overstuffed with lies? All these issues that I thought had been disputed months ago are resurfacing as the election gets closer and Republicans get more and more nervous.

Maybe I’ve just got the wrong email buddies. Anyway, with my mail box so full of crap, I’m about to give Joe the Plumber a call!

16 10 2008
where4art

Well. It’s hard to know where to start here — but I’m going to step around the racist part and just point out that Barack hardly “tapdanced” around Sam/Joe’s question. This guy challenges the next President of the U.S. on his tax policy, and Obama gives him — a complete stranger — about five minutes of his valuable time, explaining in detail how his plan will work. That’s not tapdancing; that’s granting an uncommon degree of consideration. Ugh.

16 10 2008
wes_ben

I was sitting in a boring meeting today and snuck a few minutes to peruse my favorite political sites. Saw this and damn near fell out of my chair (much to my boss’ displeasure…he’s a republican🙂

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/strange-mccain-post-debat_n_135325.html

16 10 2008
Snoskred

Jackie Lee – Can you please clarify where this has been corrected? I have not seen any evidence of that as yet.

16 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

I am watching the Political Roast on MSNBC — McC was “nice”
Not that I am going to change my vote — but he said some nice things about Obama

16 10 2008
Lana, KY

You know, it seems to me that the McCain Campaign must really have a bunch of total morons putting all this shit together for him. From the vetting of SP ~ to the vetting of a poor sap plumber that got his 15 minutes of fame. They all talk out of their a$$ and are too stupid to notice that we are all making fun of them. And for this they paid millions of dollars ~ geez, my cats could have done a better job…

16 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

maybe none of his “staff” don’t know how to “google either”

16 10 2008
Wesson HUSSEIN Scalper Canuck for Choice

Jackie Lee (19:17:56) :

He is a registered Republican who voted in the Ohio primary in March.

Haha – BUSTED! Yet another lie. I hope this one won’t be ignored by the mainstream media, but since the major news outlets are owned/run by Repugs, I don’t have my hopes up.😦

16 10 2008
Lulu

Snoskred (19:26:06) wrote :
“Jackie Lee – Can you please clarify where this has been corrected? I have not seen any evidence of that as yet.”

I am not Jackie Lee, but try Andrew Sullivan’s page for one corrected version: http://www.andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com.

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

hahaha, Lighthouse… sammie joe is real good at digging out the shi… t while skipping to the lou my darlin…

16 10 2008
Lulu

Re: more proof on the correction….

Andrew Sullivan (andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com) references this link: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/133831/42/1001/632600

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

Poor Joe/Samuel/whoever… LOL why would anyone want to put themselves in the place where the media is researching his whole life. We are probabely going to know how many times he uses the bathroom and what tissue he uses to wipe his bottom. My word!!! Now we will here of this until the election. Where does McCain get these people from. LOL

And we already know he can unclog the drain! AKM

16 10 2008
Lulu

More proof on the correction…(Did my last post make it? Sorry if it shows up twice.)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/133831/42/1001/632600

16 10 2008
Snoskred

I’ll wait till someone other than a diary on the Daily Kos says it, I think.. sorry Andrew Sullivan but I wouldn’t be trusting them as a source..😉

16 10 2008
Tangle Jig Palin

I bet if ole Joe the Plumber could turn back time, he’d hightail it into his house as soon as he saw Obama coming up his street.

16 10 2008
Jason in Oakland

Joe, we’re all pullin’ for ya. Cuz when your pullin’ in more than a quarter mil a year we’re going to be feelin’ real bad for you havin’ to pay those taxes.

16 10 2008
Lulu

Snoskred wrote: “I’ll wait till someone other than a diary on the Daily Kos says it, I think.. sorry Andrew Sullivan but I wouldn’t be trusting them as a source…”

Did you click the links on the Daily Kos story?

16 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

McCranky Pants has forgotten that old saying – “When you lie down with dogs, you get fleas”. Maybe his moniker should be McScratch (a double entendre in this case)

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

Lulu (19:37:05) :

More proof on the correction…(Did my last post make it? Sorry if it shows up twice.)

MSNBC Keith O reported that they were not related as well they just have the same last name. It like the name game again… LOL

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

on Leno: the economy is so bad that my cat sold my dog to a chinese restaurant… (and my other dog sold my cat to an Indian restaurant).

some of Leno’s jokes make me think he or his intern reads mudflats.

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

******LMAO at AKM *****

16 10 2008
Sag Moon

Daily Kos now reporting that Joe the Plumber lived in ALASKA!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/23330/128/454/633139

Long before he was “Joe the plumber,” Joe Wurzelbacher lived in North Pole and Eielson Air Force Base, according to Alaska public records. Family members say Wurzelbacher came to the state in the mid-1990s and stayed about four years – long enough to have the son who can be seen standing next to him in the now famous clip of Wurzelbacher grilling Sen. Barack Obama about taxes.

“If Joe had his way, he would have stayed up here,” said Kelly Morrison, of Anchorage. Her sister, Jennifer, is Joe’s ex-wife.

16 10 2008
Jackie Lee

The information was posted on HuffPo today; I responded. The post raised questions and was removed. Sullivan picked up the correction, too. DKos had the story for a minute or two, caught their breath and removed it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17joe.html

The article above from the NYTimes documents the fact Joe is Repub who voted in March.

16 10 2008
Lana, KY

At the Catholic Charity dinner, McCain said Joe the plumber was hired by a very rich couple and is pulling in the big bucks now. He’s got the contract on all 7 of McCain’s houses. . . .
hate to admit it ~ but it was actually kind of funny.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Dave Letterman doing – Top Ten Messages Left on Joe the Plumber’s Answering Machine

16 10 2008
Bill

I think you are missing the point here. “Joe” can easily portray anyone trying to get ahead in today’s society. I really don’t care what background “Joe” really had. What came out was what was going to happen for any small business owners under Obama’s plan.
I don’t care for Obama’s economic plan for redistibuting wealth-socialism.
Forced benevolence through wealth redistribution is not charity. It is me, by choice , not the state, who are told to love and serve our neighbor.

Obama said, ” I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

When we spread our wealth, it is good for others. In a free society, when the state takes my wealth and redistributes it for me, it is stealing and our freedom is gone.

16 10 2008
banjobailey

As Obama supporters, we have always known that McCain is an idiotic candidate. HOWEVER, the Republicans are a highly organized criminal organization who are, right now, proceeding to prevent our voters from voting.
You, and I, need to send money and support on the ground for Obama. We can laugh, we can make fun of McCain, but we CAN NOT let up on getting our voters to the polls and we CAN NOT let up on vigilance in any way, shape, or form.
These are the final days. We MUST rise up and create a massive turnout in every single state. Our very lives depend on it.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

#1 Message — it’s Madonna – are you seeing anyone?

16 10 2008
ira2

“Wurzelbacher” sounds Austrian to me… or maybe Bavarian.

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

As requested, I’m reposting this message about how to get into the RNC voice mail system so we can join the chorus of those protesting their robocalls. Here in Minnesota they are illegal and I’ve advised the RNC that I am filing a complaint with the MN Attorney General.

Slightly OT but I’m mad. These RNC robocalls need to be stopped. I called the RNC headquarters at 202-863-8500 as others on various websites are encouraging. The word is that their voice mail is full but I found a way through it. Push Option #4 – Finance. There’s a long menu of choices so I went for the big donor “Chairman’s Club” option and presto — I could leave a message.

Feel free to repost the above message on your favorite blogs. I also love this idea:

FYI, at the end of your 3 minutes, it will give you the option to pres “1″ to send the message. Do that and then press “0″ and you can go right back to the main menu and begin all over again w/out having to redial the number. Ain’t technology grand?

Let’s continue to flood ‘em with calls in protest.

16 10 2008
Bea

Hope you don’t mind my moving your post over from the last thread:

Taupe Armageddon Palin (19:49:20) :

As requested, I’m reposting this message about how to get into the RNC voice mail system so we can join the chorus of those protesting their robocalls. Here in Minnesota they are illegal and I’ve advised the RNC that I am filing a complaint with the MN Attorney General.

Slightly OT but I’m mad. These RNC robocalls need to be stopped. I called the RNC headquarters at 202-863-8500 as others on various websites are encouraging. The word is that their voice mail is full but I found a way through it. Push Option #4 – Finance. There’s a long menu of choices so I went for the big donor “Chairman’s Club” option and presto — I could leave a message.

Feel free to repost the above message on your favorite blogs. I also love this idea:

FYI, at the end of your 3 minutes, it will give you the option to pres “1″ to send the message. Do that and then press “0″ and you can go right back to the main menu and begin all over again w/out having to redial the number. Ain’t technology grand?

Let’s continue to flood ‘em with calls in protest.

—–

I am so mad, I don’t think I’ll be able to sleep a wink tonight.

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

PS. Leno/Biden or Letterman/McCain … it’s decision time here…

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

Lulu – careful about clicking links on Kos or Sullivan… you might end up on my blog!! hahhahaaa… guess I choose to write on the story of the day. mudflats is #7 on the daily list of most popular blogs (yaye!!!) while I made the top 100 for the very first time at 28, all because I wrote about Joe the un-Plumber.

btw – I don’t believe the un-Plumber is closely related to Keating. For a few reasons. The original source of the claim is known for planting stories and creating hoaxes. The original claim also stated something to the effect that the individual was living somewhere when, in fact, that individual has been dead for 4 years. The decedent has a jr. as a survivor, aged too close to the un-Plumber to have the un-Plumber be immediate family. In addition, the wife/widow of Robert does not have the same first name as the un-Plumber’s mother.

Could be a cousin but it appears none of the brothers of Robert share the same first name as the un-Plumber’s father.

Now, the family relationship is still unclear at this point but I don’t think it’s “close” as claimed by eisenstadt. But he sure got a ton of hits on his website today, didn’t he? Yeah, and so did I.

16 10 2008
Lulu

I am all for the vetting of Joe the Plumber, in every carnation, in every state he has lived in, esp. since today McCain said that Joe the Plumber won the debate…If he is part of the Keating Five family, I would be glad to know it.

(Keith had it right tonight about the distraction-factor of the latest “Joe”…will there be a new “Voter a Day/Everyman/Everywoman” that the McCain-Palin campaign uses to try to distract us?)

16 10 2008
JT

Bill…I don’t think we are missing the point.

The “spread the wealth” comment can be twisted in all kinds of ways.

Not buying the socialist fear mongler hype.

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

I watched Leno’s standup and am now watching McCain. If McCain gets into his stump speech mode or gets angry, then I’m gonna change it back to Leno and watch Biden.

16 10 2008
JT

Oh my….excuse my spelling and typing…LONG DAY…

(Anyone have some wealth to share so I don’t haveta work so damn hard??)
😛

16 10 2008
Trini

hee hee hee (wiping tears of laughter from my face). He didn’t vett SWWNBN or his house help (plumber) that he sent over to Obama’s rally to get on camera. If you’re going to set up your debate John, with a human interest story, at least check out the background of your plant!

16 10 2008
informationecologist

I’ve always been curious about this:
Most Americans hope they achieve the American Dream of financial freedom and independence. Does anyone know if a candidate has ever proposed a tax structure where someone achieving this American Dream during a candidacy would get a grace period before having to pay the higher taxes?

I’ve been a Democrat for a while. But all I’ve ever heard is higher taxes for more income and lower taxes for less income. I’ve never heard about taxes might be adjusted if you move from one bracket to the next.

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

oh god…he’s got the blinking thing going and he just rolled his eyes again … still creepy!

“I screwed up” — twice

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Spread the wealth – meant- let the rich guys cover some of the tax bills – not so greatly burden the middle class. Doesn’t mean there is going to be a big giveaway distribution payout to the rest! No Robin Hood moves intended. Geesh

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

McCain just apologized to Joe the plumber…tax evader, extreme right-winger, etc.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

McCain just wants to raise Dave’s taxes.

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

McCain looks blink blink looks like a blink blink a shrimp blink compared to blink blink to Letterman.

16 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

wurzel is german for ‘root’ and bach is german for ‘creek’

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

The Repugs don’t vet – this plumber was a ringer if he was a darling of right wing radio – here is McCain lying on Letterman –

Owing back taxes? He should like Obama’s plan; he can then pay the state what he owes.

Sammy Davis, Jr. – the code won’t be lost on the base base.

I still say they don’t vet – remember the “reporter” at the WH who turned out to be a male escort with graphic photos of himself online no less!

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

“I know what to do to get bin Laden”…”we don’t have serious human intelligence” … “i think I know because of my many years of experience …how to develop a plan”

i thought he knew what to do? he doesn’t … he just wants to develop a plan? yikes … another contradiction.

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

dragon.. he’d never lie.. hahahaha

16 10 2008
Pacificnwgal

This is just ridiculous. Actually, AKM…. you should have found some way to put a picture of a bald Sarah next to Joe, or Sam, or whoever he is….

But, seriously, my oldest son is named Joe. He is a hard working, really nice regular guy who just got married and has a new baby. But, he can’t leave his job to look for another one because he is afraid he will lose his insurance. And he does not make enough money to buy a house eventhough he has really good credit. He has worked at his job for over 10 years and still does not make enough money to to buy a home for his new family. The little bit of retirement he has is getting wiped out in the economic mess. This is a more typical scenario than the Joe the Plummer bunch of made up nonsense. There are plenty of people out there like my son. They didn’t have to make someone up. These guys are really out of touch.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Dave is hitting McCain on the accusations against Obama. He is claiming the “few fringe” excuse.

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

i heard Kill Him today.. what a putz

total lying crap

16 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

informationecologist – with the country’s debts running in the trillions, how do you think it will be paid? It must be borne by the people, ergo the taxpayers. If our generation doesn’t clean up our own mess, is it fair to pass it on to the next few generations? Maybe it’s time to pay up and tidy up. The free lunch is over, I think, and it’s about time.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

McCain taped this before he made the lovely speech at the dinner.

Oh – he is asking for a “town hall” on Dave! LOL

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

Oh good grief McCain is such a liar. Oh my Goodness I wish letterman would go at him with the questions.

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

there’s that tongue again…creepy

I’m glad the fringe is here”
“i confront them when they do anything out of bounds”
I have a responsibility if I’m within earshot”…every time…(not hardly)

whine…

switch channels

OMG … he’s back to the “if only he had done the town hall meetings … “crapola…

16 10 2008
Sharon

Seems Ohio County Officials, plumbers union are after Joe. Seems Joe legally should have plumbers license. Unions upset. Joe also owes back taxes and lien has been placed since 2007. He also has local hospital claim filed as another lien against him for 2007. County after him for back taxes. Hospital after him. Regarding taxes of small businesses McCain made claim poor Joe would be taxed more on business he is attempting to buy under Barack Obama’s plan- please read below article written explaining small businesses, taxes, etc. Obama claims seem to be true. John McCain is false. Helps everyone understand!! Written by experts on CNN Money – 10/16. Enjoy!

Go Obama!!!

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In speech after speech, presidential candidate John McCain hammers on the claim that his rival Barack Obama will raise taxes on many small businesses.

At the debate on Wednesday night, McCain said, “The small businesses that we’re talking about would receive an increase in their taxes right now.”

More typically he has said: “What [Obama] hasn’t told you is that he would tax half of the income of small businesses in America,” a line used in La Crosse, Wisc., last week.

Should small business owners fear for their wallets if Obama is elected? Not the vast majority, business and tax experts say.

To make its claim, according to a McCain spokesman, the campaign counts as a small-business owner any taxpayer who files a Schedule C, E or F – the forms used to report gains and losses from business ventures and farms.

Using that definition and citing IRS data, the campaign notes that “56.8% of total small business income is earned by businesses in the top two rates, which Barack Obama has pledged to raise.”

It’s true that Obama has proposed raising taxes on the top two income rates.

But there are three main problems with McCain’s charge.
What is a small business?

First, it relies on a broad definition of what counts as a small business, including everyone who files a Schedule C, E and F.

But most people who file those forms don’t run a business for a living: Those forms are also used to report income from freelance and consulting work, real-estate rentals, and most other non-salary sources.

For example, McCain and Obama both file Schedule C returns, thanks to their book royalties – but they hardly should be considered small business owners.

In 2005, there were 21.5 million Schedule C returns filed, according to the IRS.

A more realistic definition of small businesses turns up far fewer firms. The Small Business Administration estimates that there were 6 million small businesses in 2005, as measured by those with fewer than 500 employees and with staff on the payroll other than the owner.
Who pays?

Second, even using the broad definition of small business that McCain likes, very few owners would see their own taxes rise.

That’s because the lion’s share of taxable income comes from a small number of wealthy businesses. Out of 34.7 million filers with business income on Schedules C, E or F, 479,000 filers fall into the top two brackets, according to an analysis of projected 2009 filings by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

The other 34.3 million – or 98.6% – would be unaffected by Obama’s proposed rate hike.

That includes Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher, whom McCain invoked nearly two dozen times at the debate Wednesday night to illustrate the plight of the average worker and small business owner.

“Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years … he wanted to buy the business but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes,” McCain said.

In an interview afterward with WTOL, Wurzelbacher acknowledged that he’d still like to eventually buy the plumbing company he works for but that he wouldn’t yet be hit by higher taxes.

“I want to set the record straight: Currently I would not fall into Barack Obama’s $250,000-plus,” he said. “But if I’m lucky in business and taxes don’t go up then maybe I can grow the business and be in that tax bracket – well, let me rephrase it. Hopefully, that tax won’t be there.”

Few owners are that lucky in business. In a member survey conducted late last year, the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) found that only 14% of respondents said they had $200,000 or more in annual income.

As Tax Policy Center fellow Len Berman recently told Fortune Small Business: “Most owners of small businesses have small incomes.”
What gets taxed?

Third, even if you’re one of the rare business owners making enough money to be affected by Obama’s proposed tax increases, you still won’t see a big hike in your tax bill.

McCain’s claim that Obama “will increase taxes on 50% of small business revenue” – the line he used in the second presidential debate – is incorrect because of how income is taxed.

If a business owner falls into the top bracket, that doesn’t mean that all of his or her income is taxed at the highest level.

For example: If a small-business owner makes $210,000 in taxable income, he edges into the 33% bracket, one of the two top tax rates that Obama would like to raise.

But he would pay the higher tax only on the amount that exceeds the cutoff – in 2007, the two top tax rates applied to single filers with income of $160,850 or more and joint filers with income of at least $195,850. As a single filer, this business owner would see his federal taxes increase $1,475 under Obama’s plan, which calls for raising the 33% tax rate to 36%.

“While Obama does favor raising the top two rates, the quote is not true because not all the small business income of those in the top two rates is taxed at the 33% and 35% rates,” said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation.

The bottom line: McCain’s claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a “small business” – and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama’s proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them.

CNNMoney.com writer Emily Maltby contributed to this report.

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

McCain wants it both ways, to his benefit.

He wants to not to have to repudiate the “kill him” comments at his rallies; notice how he redirected the blame to Obama?

But he wants Obama to repudiate any negative comments directed at McCain.

Why is McCain unwilling to repudiate the unlawful comments directed towards Obama? This is far different than the 1st Amendment comments made about him or Sarah Palin. Plus, he made some of those same comments towards his own wife, Cindy!!!!!

16 10 2008
Lulu

AKM, any more word about Stevens on the stand?

Here’s the latest. AKM

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I agree with you Vlad. They never seem to include the war debt we owe. It is unfathomable now.

I do believe I’ve heard Obama support tax code revision, hasn’t he? Maybe new taxing methods in the future. It is surely a mess.

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

LOL Obama paid for a commercial spot on letterman with McCain there. LOL Go Obama

16 10 2008
Irish

Cindy has battered wife syndrome….big time…..gee…wonder why??!!

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

McCain is going to get Palin to come on Dave. That would be a riot.

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

PTA??? hahhahaha

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

she’s sure qualfied..

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

anyone else out there feeling like they’re listening to a 3rd old who’s whining about the kid who took his toy and won’t play my way… spoiled brat!

switch…

how is it that when Joe speaks, there’s a sense of vision for the future, a humility and that he gets how this mess affects me personally?

Go Joe!

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

When will someone call McCain out on what Rachel calls “I’m rubber; you’re glue.” — “what they say at Obama rallies about me.” No one has the stones to do this – to call him out on the hate speech they instigate.

McCain has no integrity. The Repug party have become rabble rousers; nothing more.

OMG – On Letterman – SP was in the PTA and First Dud races in a snow machine. Oh well heck, I’m changing my vote. Who Knew?

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Oh no – his reasons he supports McCain — those great PTA credentials, she gives money back to her state residents, she negotiated the pipeline deal, her husband wins the snow machine race, his grandmother is a native, he did the race with a broken arm. WOW I’m so impressed.

16 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Bec Hussein in Illinois (20:13:29) :

McCain is going to get Palin to come on Dave. That would be a riot.
_______________

Will First Dud be there to take notes and give guidance?

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Sorry – reasons he support Palin!

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

Bad things was going on in Alaska. Wow like Abuse of Power John

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

Bill (19:50:59) :

I think you are missing the point here. “Joe” can easily portray anyone trying to get ahead in today’s society. I really don’t care what background “Joe” really had. What came out was what was going to happen for any small business owners under Obama’s plan.
I don’t care for Obama’s economic plan for redistibuting wealth-socialism.
Forced benevolence through wealth redistribution is not charity. It is me, by choice , not the state, who are told to love and serve our neighbor.

Obama said, ” I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

When we spread our wealth, it is good for others. In a free society, when the state takes my wealth and redistributes it for me, it is stealing and our freedom is gone.

__________________________________________________________
hey lookee, it’s bill who’s been putting similar comments on my blog.

I’d give you a quarter to buy a clue if I could, bill, but there’s no mechanism on wordpress to do so. Nevertheless, you don’t need any money in order to be free in this country. You will remain free no matter your income or amount of money in the bank.

The freedom is yours, bill. All you need do is exercise it.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Typing too fast. Sorry. McCain still loves Palin – but it almost seems like he loves Todd more. No mention of the AIP!

16 10 2008
ds55

Letterman asking about Palin taking over for McCain. LOL!

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

mcgrumpy makes me wanna puke

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

he’s starting to dig.. !!! go dave go

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

she was in the PTA,. makes her qualified

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

she’s putrified americans

16 10 2008
Bea

John Mccain is SCUM. Pure scum.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Go Dave – really asking about Palin’s qualifications. He is being tough. But of course – McCain is totally ga ga. She has inspired Americans. Yeah – a few “FRINGE” ones!

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

McCain Keeps cutting Dave off when he tries to dig

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

it doesn’t matter to mccain that she’s inexperienced … SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!

does he really believe his own BS???

she is NOT an inspiration…so many things that are very unusual??? right, John …like ethics violations. she’s the kind of change we need… who is he kidding???

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

not much applause..

she’s so worthless

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Dave ain’t buying it.

16 10 2008
THWV

Bill, Joe doesn’t clear $250,000. His taxes won’t increase. In fact 98% of “small” business do not clear $250,000 -NO Tax increase. If Joe really cleared $250,000 a year he would not easily portray anyone trying to get ahead in today’s society. LMAO

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

Here it comes – absolutely she could lead us through 911.

Because we’re the greatest nation in the world?

What beauty pageant did we walk into?

What grade are we in?

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

ya hear him say no before he changed his mind?

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I thought he gave up on Ayers – but – IT’S BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

LOL go dave go dave

16 10 2008
ds55

Go, Letterman! Yay!

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

go dave go go dave go gordon liddy

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

I hope he keeps whining about Ayers …

didn’t he say last night that he didn’t care about Ayers?

they why is he still repeating himself?

G Gordon Liddy… way to go Dave!

16 10 2008
Kat in FLA

Wow, Letterman is kind of sticking it to McCain.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Don’t go there Johnny!

Dave asks if he had a relationship with Gordon Liddy.

McCain says – I met him.

HUH?!

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

dag why did it have to go to commercial just when it was getting juicy

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

oh yea.. mccain and liddy are pals from way back

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

OT – Red Sox just saved their asses! They are still in it.

16 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

Whoa..Dave asked JM if he hadn’t been at a fundraiser with Gorden Liddy! and we are off to a break…

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

Letterman asked him about Liddy!!!!!!

hahahahaaaaaa

and McCain punted!!! that lying skunk.

and he continues his lie about Ayers and Obama palling around. He almost lied when asked whether Palin has made similar comments at rallies, but finally said she had.

Did Letterman not ask about AIP?? Or did I miss that part?

16 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Bill seems to equate money with freedom and that’s very sad. All the money in the world may not help you if you are so ungenerous and miserly that it makes you no longer a part of the human family, but someone who thinks that money somehow makes one a ‘better’ human. Not so, my friend.

Peace, Order, and good government (not necessarily in that order) will give you the time and the peace of mind to allow you ultimate freedom and ultimate humanity.

16 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

Dave hasn’t gotten over being stood up. Way to go Dave!

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

too funny … McCain still loses even when Obama doesn’t show up!

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

no AIP

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

There was just some big deal about Liddy and McCain. Have to research.

Anyway – it is interesting he taped this and then went and made that lovely speech praising Obama at the dinner. Guess he was feeling some guilt.

McCain just about repeated his own robocall message on Dave. Nice guy.

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

McCain choose Palin because she did “so many different things up there”?? Like wtf… does he even know??

And he choose her because she “inspires so many Americans.” That is so lame ass… why didn’t he pick Caroline Kennedy? She’s a hell of a lot more inspirational than Palin will ever be.

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Tomorrows Obama Commercial..

Sarah Palin is qualified to be president because she was in the PTA

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I think Bill left the building, too.

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

Lies lies lies

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

he’s getting him..

16 10 2008
Lulu

Bec wrote: “McCain still loves Palin – but it almost seems like he loves Todd more.”

Bec, I think you’re on to something there…..

16 10 2008
Kat in FLA

OMG this Ayres thing is just stuck in his craw, he can’t let it go.

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

John is so glad he is changing the subject LOL

16 10 2008
Randy

Palin has been the VP nominee for over six weeks and Joe the Plumber in the media for one day, and he has all ready done more interviews than Palin. My be Joe the Plumber has better qualifications than her, which dosen’t amount to much.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

From HuffPo in May:

How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy’s home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator’s campaigns–including $1,000 this year.

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

oh goodie … now he’s making excuses for Palin and still whining about Ayers but he also just contradicted himself … again.

first he said he’d “met” Liddy, then he admitted Liddy’s son was a good friend and contributor.

but that’s different…

and I’m not watching SNL if that witch is on it!

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

LOL Randy- that is so true!

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

crap.. i wanted a good ending

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

Wow He is not letting Sarah P go on that Show. Letterman will eat her alive.

16 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

I think he likes Todd more than Sarah…Well we all know that Todd is actually Gov. of Alaska.

16 10 2008
THWV

Something just came to me. This is off topic but, did anyone else notice a second pin on Falin during the vp debate? It was above the flag pin. What was it? I’m thinking something about the AIP and the North star or the big dipper…Anyone???

16 10 2008
Lulu
16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

what a wuss… whenever McCain talked, he backed off his questions. And he never tagged him about Palin palling around with secessionist Todd. Just like Obama avoided the AIP issue. Why do they avoid it? Are they afraid it might send McCain into a spasm of some sort?

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

More from the May HuffPo article on McCain Liddy:

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as “an old friend,” and McCain sounded like one. “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family,” he gushed. “It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”

16 10 2008
Jster

So John says that only those who were rejected as his VP ever brought up pulling Palin from the ticket. Nice thanks to Pawlenty, Romney, etc, who have put their dignity aside to stump for McCain and say nice things about Palin! Amazingly nasty! He may find some flaming paper bags on his porch this Halloween!

16 10 2008
Karen

Liddy might have gone to prison but he certainly isn’t repentant and he and McCain are close. Dave is the first person that had the nerve to bring him up. I was ready to explode listening to McCain’s lies – I’m so tired of it. He’s so proud of Sarah Palin – give me a break! I hope he is haunted and mentally tortured for the rest of his life for what he has done to the country in this campaign.

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

Dave left out that after Liddy got out of jail and was a media darling, on Miami Vice etc. – he talked about how you shoot Federal agents in the head because they wear body armor. Oh, he paid his debt.

No one spins better than the Repugs. Who knew this country is the 7th grade every day, oh goodie!

SP – PTA to the WH.

We need to Investigate Ayers – sounds like Whitewater (you may win but I will make you miserable).

ACORN – greatest voter fraud in history = 2012 campaign slogan because they still won’t understand the issues.

To those still here – sorry about earlier; I had 3 hours sleep last night, had a McCain moment there. If you don’t know what I’m talking about; good.

16 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

TH – the polar bear symbol of the AIP?

16 10 2008
katiebegood

Lighthouse (or Sport Grunt Hussein) (19:23:56) :

Is anybody else noticing that the full-of-crap emails about Barack Obama have seen a definite resurgence in the last week? Or is it just my mailbox that being overstuffed with lies?

It’s called desperation. Or the last gasp of a dying man.

16 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

@Bill
In a free society, when the state takes my wealth and redistributes it for me, it is stealing and our freedom is gone.

So why isn’t it considered stealing when I pay my taxes and the rich get richer off them (thanks to tax cuts, tax breaks, and tax loop holes for the wealthy)? Talk about enforced redistribution of wealth! I actually think it’s way past time for some sort of corrective to the serious government meddling with wealth that is already in place which benefits a select few…and I don’t think it makes me a socialist to say so. I love that Obama is interested in doing what’s best for 95% of us rather than 5%.

hHh

16 10 2008
THWV

sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party, I’ve been off looking for photos, but I haven’t found any yet. I don’t think it was a polar bear. But I’m not sure what it was. I just remember something else there.

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

Bec!

Go Bec Go!

Yes, I knew there were recent ties to Liddy.

The hypocrisy slays me. Palling around with and taking the money of a guy who tells the America (that we love) people how to kill Federal agents.

If that were Obama they’d just play the two clips – Liddy’s quote from the 80’s I think and the one you cited Bec.

I think we need an Investigation here John.

16 10 2008
kidsquid

McCain Camp: Palin’s AIP Ties=Obama’s Religion

Here is a good read on the progress of the AIP story

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/373079/mccain_camp_palin_s_aip_ties_obama_s_religion

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Liddy, on the impact Adolf Hitler had on him as a child:

When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it “made me feel a strength inside I had never known before,” he explains. “Hitler’s sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body.”

Hmmm. Kinda like what’s-his-name who “sat up a little straighter on the couch” when Palin spoke during the VP debate?? AKM

16 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

You kind find Sarah at the debate on youtube. I looked at her and saw a small pin that looked like it might spell Alaska. It is very small and is just a word of some sort.
Go to youtube and lookup palin debate.

16 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

Can find, not kind find…sorry

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

so where was the happy ending.. i paid my $$ 🙂

16 10 2008
pamela

Skipped Letterman to watch the real Joe (Biden) on Leno. Leno’s monologue was great – showed that odd picture of McCain and Obama at the end of last night’s debate, talked about Joe the plumber (suggested McCain hire him to do the plumbing in all of his houses) and basically skewered McCain.

Joe Biden was great – self-deprecating humor, down-to-earth, talked about why Obama is the right person for this time – even if the economy picks up. A VP we can be proud of.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Palin was wearing some kind of button today – but she often wears a Blue Star Mother pin on her lapel. That is the little oblong pin – she wore it for her convention speech. She was wearing a polar bear pin on her blouse earlier this week. We had a big discussion about that and its connection to AIP. But of course – it is also a big Alaskan symbol. Just kind of crazy she’d wear it the week AIP got blown up.

She didn’t “vet” her pin very well.

16 10 2008
Blue Lonestar

McCain said some nice thing about Obama in the roast but not at the Letterman show. Same old same old attack!

16 10 2008
Lana, KY

This is totally incredible ~ LOOK
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27228287/

Want Palin’s e-mails? That’ll be $15 million
Even at that price, many records won’t be available until after the election
By Bill Dedman
Investigative reporter
msnbc
updated 40 minutes ago

16 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

blue don’t forget.. same old lies..

16 10 2008
LA

Bec,
Can you give me a link to that quote by Liddy? I am “fighting” with my Godmother who listens to the late night radio crap. She keeps bringing up Ayers.
Thanx!!

16 10 2008
DrChill

Bill (19:50:59) :

I think you are missing the point here. “Joe” can easily portray anyone trying to get ahead in today’s society. I really don’t care what background “Joe” really had. What came out was what was going to happen for any small business owners under Obama’s plan.
I don’t care for Obama’s economic plan for redistributing wealth-socialism.
Forced benevolence through wealth redistribution is not charity. It is me, by choice , not the state, who are told to love and serve our neighbor.
=========

Joe is fictitious as a real guy and as an example of ‘the problem with Obama’s plan.’

Also people like to think that when they make 10, 100 1000 10,000 times as much as ordinary Americans, that they earned it, and that progressive tax -rakes it away and redistributes wealth.
Progressive places the cost of government on those who can pay it, and those who have benefited from it.

When the government invests in people its not a give-away, it either been earned, like unemployment insurance, or is expected to see a Return on investment by reducing future costs, and increasing taxable income.
CHP, public schools, college loans, family health plus(Health insurance), Small business loans grants etc …

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

Why is the MSM not covering this Liddy story More. I dont get it. I just red the article on hufffingtonpost. I just dont get it he seems like a real evil person for McCain to be defending tonight. I dont get it. I dont get it. People should here of that if we have to here about who Obama was on a board with. I dont get it. Get it I dont.

16 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

anyone else read the Washington Post’s endorsement coming out in tomorrow/today’s paper?

Spoiler alert: the 2nd paragraph says it all… go to:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/16/AR2008101603436.html?nav=hcmodule

the liddy/mccain article was also good — thanks for that referral.

16 10 2008
DrChill

oops typo..
-takes it away and redistributes wealth.
Progressive income tax

16 10 2008
prettybrowntee

oops I mean Hear!!!!! What happened to the 10 seconds to change I miss that.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Sure LA – I have about 10 Websites still open – that was one of them!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/05/g-gordon-liddy-john-mccai_n_100134.html

16 10 2008
THWV

Thanks all, not sure why the pin thing jumped into my mind. I’ll have check out youtube. Thanks again

16 10 2008
informationecologist

Vlad (20:08:08)
I completely agree with you that it’s time to clean up our own mess and that somebody’s got to pay for that. But that’s only going to happen if those that are of that mindset stay in power long enough to clean up the mess. If 95% of us make less than $250k, then the percentage of us that happen to jump from the middle class into that higher bracket is going to be a pretty small percentage. And any tax income that may be lost by giving these Joe American Dreamers a grace period of lower taxes would likely be offset by having more people willing to participate in the tax structure if the clause was in there.

16 10 2008
akmuckraker

The pin is a “Blue Star Mother” pin because Track has shipped out.

She does wear a polar bear pin occasionally, which is so wrong on so many levels….

16 10 2008
Lana, KY

LOOK AT THIS !

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27228287/

Want Palin’s e-mails? That’ll be $15 million

By Bill Dedman
Investigative reporter
msnbc
updated 40 minutes ago
Even at that price, many records won’t be available until after the election

16 10 2008
Blue Idaho

Larry king said Palin will be on SNL on saterday.

16 10 2008
Lulu

AKM, this is good news, n’est-ce pas?

http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/558542.html

Ca c’est bien! AKM

16 10 2008
upnorth MN aka hose Hussein hotrod Obama

Sorry in advance. This is kinda long, but there’s no link. This letter came in my email just now. I LOVE that all manner of folks are rising up against this hate-mongering. (I especially like Frank Schaeffer’s calling a spade a spade in the Baltimore Sun.) There’s a lot at stake. Do what you can! hHh

Dear Friends and Colleagues:
We’d like to talk about the pressing issues facing our country: the woeful economy, rising unemployment, the housing crisis, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But we can’t talk about them because John McCain and Sarah Palin have distracted us with the politics of hate and fear.

Instead of discussing the real issues plaguing Americans, McCain and Palin have turned to fear-mongering and race-baiting, stoking the prejudices of their supporters. The situation has become so critical that we’ve teamed up with Color of Change to put an end to these dangerous mob scenes.

Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5mdIPNB8t8

Things have gotten so out of control that some conservatives have come forward to denounce McCain and Palin’s hate-mongering. In an Op-Ed for The Baltimore Sun, Frank Schaeffer writes: “John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as “not one of us,” I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.”

Here’s how you can take action:

Sign the open letter calling on McCain and Palin to reject the politics of hate.
Sign up for a free video subscription and get the latest on the real McCain.
Send this video to yours friends, and post it on your blogs and networking sites like Digg, where it will effectively reach those outside the choir.
Don’t let McCain and Palin undo the decades spent fighting for civil rights and equality in our country.

Yours,
Robert Greenwald
and the Brave New team

16 10 2008
LA

Bec,
oooohhhh Thanx. Link already sent to her. I can’t change her; she already voted for you know who but when she slams Obama about Ayers…..I get a little crabby..Ok ALOT crabby

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Prettybrowntree — I see Liddy as going completely LEGIT with the right — he is up there with Rush and all the rest. He can do no wrong. John McCain basically said so on Letterman and in the quote I posted above. There is such a double standard – it sickens us all. They get away with it.

I love the comment before about Joe the Plumber doing more press in less than 24 than Palin has done the whole time. I mean – how does she get away with that? And sooooo much more.

Things will be changing though, soon! Justice is coming.

16 10 2008
Pacificnwgal

I thought both Obama and McCain were pretty funny at the charity event that was televised on Larry King. Not bad, even for McCain. I liked it when Obama called senators a bunch of punks.

16 10 2008
Lana, KY

Palin’s emails will cost $15 million

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27228287/

By Bill Dedman
Investigative reporter
msnbc
updated 40 minutes ago

16 10 2008
LaNon

Suchanut (Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin) (19:11:35) :

SNL will be great on Saturday…
———————————————
So true, suchanut!
It’s completely astounding to me how very feeble McCain’s campaign is at the point where detail matters so much. He didn’t check out the reputation of Sarah Palin, and he didn’t check out the claims by “JTP.”

BTW, a *Gold Star Mother* is one who’s child has died in a war. The Blue Star moms are the lucky ones.

16 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

I hate Joe the Plumber–he’s a Nazi!

16 10 2008
ds55

@ THWV (20:30:41) ://Something just came to me. This is off topic but, did anyone else notice a second pin on Falin during the vp debate? It was above the flag pin. What was it? I’m thinking something about the AIP and the North star or the big dipper…Anyone???//

It was reported to be a blue star mother pin, signifying that she has a child serving in the military.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/Palin_Can_I_call_you_Joe.html

16 10 2008
Lana, KY

If this is double posted ~ I apologize.
Tried to post this a few times and it’s not showing up…1st time I’ve had this problem.

SARAH PALIN’S EMAILS WILL COST $15 MILLION AND WON’T BE RELEASED UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION . . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27228287/

16 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

Hmmm. Kinda like what’s-his-name who “sat up a little straighter on the couch” when Palin spoke during the VP debate?? AKM

YES–AKM–I know exactly who you’re talking about but I can’t remember his name either–but she looked straight in his eyes and winked…and he got a stiff one I believe–
how unprofessional for a journalist!

16 10 2008
troubled

I flipped back and forth between Leno and Letterman. Biden did a great job on Leno and I cracked up during the skit of Obama, Palin and Bush.

McCain made me throw up a little in my mouth after listening to him on Letterman. Seriously he is delusional….I don’t need to know anything about his policies. His choice of Palin and the way he has run his campaign are all I need to know. I thought Letterman made McCain look like a fool.

16 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

AKM (my hero🙂 )
I found it~

“I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. ”
Rick Lowry from the National Review–

1–2–3–

EEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!

Yup. That’s the one…. AKM

16 10 2008
ds55

I thought that was Bill O’Reilly who sat up straighter. Wasn’t KO razzing him about it one night on Countdown?

16 10 2008
mhrt oregon

Dragon Lady (20:37:06) :

Dave left out that after Liddy got out of jail and was a media darling, on Miami Vice etc. – he talked about how you shoot Federal agents in the head because they wear body armor. Oh, he paid his debt.

No one spins better than the Repugs. Who knew this country is the 7th grade every day, oh goodie!

SP – PTA to the WH.

We need to Investigate Ayers – sounds like Whitewater (you may win but I will make you miserable).

ACORN – greatest voter fraud in history = 2012 campaign slogan because they still won’t understand the issues.

To those still here – sorry about earlier; I had 3 hours
——————————————–
I do know what you are talking about… I dream of black helicopters landing on roof tops….
Does any one know about PNAC or PAX AMERICANA… it seems like the current white house and friends all are part of this……….AKM….can you look into this……we all know that you do not sleep:)…..this scares me

16 10 2008
LaNon

HA!
Lana, great minds & all that–reading backwards I see we are in complete agreement on this newest of sins:

Lana, KY (19:27:38) :

You know, it seems to me that the McCain Campaign must really have a bunch of total morons putting all this shit together for him. From the vetting of SP ~ to the vetting of a poor sap plumber that got his 15 minutes of fame. They all talk out of their a$$ and are too stupid to notice that we are all making fun of them. And for this they paid millions of dollars ~ geez, my cats could have done a better job…
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16 10 2008
THWV

I’ll try again. First post didn’t show up. I commented on how much you learn here at AKM’s mudflats. I feel bad that I didn’t know the pins meaning. Good nite all.

16 10 2008
ira2

Lock Pepper Palin (21:08:40) :

I hate Joe the Plumber–he’s a Nazi!

That’s what I thought, seeing the name and that head and those words together. I can’t shake the feeling that he’d make a wonderful weekend Nazi in the woods… like with one of those many weekend Nazi groups that pop up in the news now and then… it’s just a feeling, not based on anything I’ve read so far, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if somebody dug up some connection between that man and those groups.

16 10 2008
WHAT’S HAPPENING IN ALASKA - 10-16-08 | Alaska Hockey Moms For Obama

[…] been inundated with all kinds of media, and everyone looking into his background and finding out a lot of stuff he wished wasn’t spread all over the news, like a tax lien, not being a licensed plumber, and […]

16 10 2008
LaNon

Thanks Troubled.

I’m going with Joe-the-Senator! (on WC/pdt)

Although he did a remarkably competent job at the Al Smith Dinner, among the upper eschalon whose presence seems to comfort him, I’ve had enough of JMc & his ilk for a few days.

16 10 2008
Lulu

ds55 (21:18:48) wrote:
“I thought that was Bill O’Reilly who sat up straighter. Wasn’t KO razzing him about it one night on Countdown?”

It was definitely Rich Lowry (NRO) who set up straighter, & Keith razzed him the night after Rich Lowry’s VP debate comment came out.

Tonight, however, KO razzed O’Reilly for the Sarah Palin Porn movie….Perhaps you were thinking of that, too?

16 10 2008
JBDC

HEY EVERYONE!!!! sorry if this was posted above but i just checked the Bloggers Choice contest and AKM and The Mudflats —WON!– for Best Political Blog!!! It wasn’t even close–401 votes for Mudflats with the 2nd runner up coming in with 275!! Way to go, mudpups!

And many thanks to AKM for the reliably accurate, insightful, and well-written entries, and to the commentariat for your bright and engaged observations. I salute the whole yellow-galoshed family for your ability and willingness to care enough about America’s and Alaska’s futures to PLUG IN, activate, aggitate, and state your opinions loud and proud.

My Obama channel the same wide winning spread! Sorry, Alaska. Methinks you miight be gettin’ your guv’nah back soon : )

Big ups, AKM!! Congratulations!!

Wow! Thanks! Hooray, and thanks to all for voting, and participating in the community! 😀 AKM

16 10 2008
Lorrie

God Bless David Letterman!

Someone finally hammered McCain on his complete misjudgment and disregard for our country in picking Sarah Palin… and had the guts to call out McCain on Liddy.

But it’s also sad that it takes talk-show hosts like Dave and the ladies on The View to ask important questions that the MSM ignore.

16 10 2008
Pacificnwgal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/snls-crazy-mccain-rally-l_n_135463.html

This will crack you up. The Crazy McCain Rally Lady. You have to see this.

16 10 2008
Obamanos!

Dear AK,
You need to be writing for a national magazine!
What a great read!
Thank you!

16 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

it’s just a feeling, not based on anything I’ve read so far, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if somebody dug up some connection between that man and those groups.
Hey, ira2–
I’m a perception kind of person too–have you ever done myers briggs? I’m an INFP–long story if you’ve never done it–

But when I share my perceptions (2 diaries so far), I get blasted on Daily Kos for not having more evidence

-that’s why I prefer mudflats–a much friendlier and more forgiving group~

GoBama–Barack the Vote!

16 10 2008
Lulu

CONGRATS, AKM, ON BEING #1!!!!

LET’S HAVE THOSE MUDFLATS T-SHIRTS TO CELEBRATE!!!

Woo-Hoo!!!!🙂

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Lock Pepper – funny to bring this up because – I told my husband tonight that Sarah Palin is Republican Viagara! I seriously mean it! These guys can’t contain themselves. How else can they equate PTA experience with – leader of the free world qualifications?

We’d had other politicians think with their prized organ instead of their brain – and it is happening again.

16 10 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

i’m so excited,
and i just can’t deny it…

(something something)…

i love you

16 10 2008
Krystal

I liked this article which pretty much unravels “Joe – the – not – so – plumber – plumber”. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-seery/joe-the-plumber-meets-sam_b_135399.html

As far as Jon Stewart’s comment that Joe the Plumber had done more interviews than Sarah Palin, I started to laugh before the very reality of that statement hit me square in the face. This could be our vp in 19 days. Holy hell, Obama has to win.

Props to Washington Post by the by. That took guts and I doubt their readers are going to be thrilled.

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

Lulu – yes thanks for the Bernstein link. He cites the quote I mentioned about shooting ATF agents.

I am with everyone here about to implode with how they get away with it with no one to call him out.

Fantasies of a 527 here with just the clips of Liddy/McCain.

Rachel must have Bernstein on; perfect chance since McCain is not dropping the Ayers bit. There is real admiration on McCain’s part for Liddy.

16 10 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

the above was for mudflats winning…yea, etc

16 10 2008
Lulu

Lock wrote: “But when I share my perceptions (2 diaries so far), I get blasted on Daily Kos for not having more evidence..”

The important thing is to keep on writing and keep sharing!

As they say in show biz musicals like “TITLE OF SHOW,” don’t let the vampires get you! They are the succubi, who come with dark thoughts, making us doubt ourselves…like CRITICS! Don’t give them any airspace in your brain. Keep on writing!

16 10 2008
LaNon

Lulu (21:26:07) :
CONGRATS, AKM, ON BEING #1!!!!
LET’S HAVE THOSE MUDFLATS T-SHIRTS TO CELEBRATE!!!
Woo-Hoo!!!!🙂
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AK: One potential supplier/distributor would be http://www.cafepress.com
Check them out, other small groups use them and they work out nicely
from what I understand.

Congrats, you are a hard worker with much talent. Thanks v much for all of it.

16 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

A GREAT WIN!😀

Well done, AKM!

16 10 2008
Roschelle

Screw Joe! My New Hero…David Letterman grills John McCain on the Late Show!

16 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

“Bec Hussein in Illinois (21:26:23)
I told my husband tonight that Sarah Palin is Republican Viagara! I seriously mean it! These guys can’t contain themselves. How else can they equate PTA experience with – leader of the free world qualifications?”

You go girl–sick ain’t it–how far the repugs have sunk!

My fine husband has finally choked on the republican koolaid and he HATES Palin–changes the channel when she comes on–that’s huge because she is way prettier than me–but he likes me bettah! God, I’m a lucky girl! Always have been…

16 10 2008
mhrt oregon

I want a tee shirt also……….. mhrt oregon (21:18:54) :

Dragon Lady (20:37:06) :

Dave left out that after Liddy got out of jail and was a media darling, on Miami Vice etc. – he talked about how you shoot Federal agents in the head because they wear body armor. Oh, he paid his debt.

No one spins better than the Repugs. Who knew this country is the 7th grade every day, oh goodie!

SP – PTA to the WH.

We need to Investigate Ayers – sounds like Whitewater (you may win but I will make you miserable).

ACORN – greatest voter fraud in history = 2012 campaign slogan because they still won’t understand the issues.

To those still here – sorry about earlier; I had 3 hours
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I do know what you are talking about… I dream of black helicopters landing on roof tops….
Does any one know about PNAC or PAX AMERICANA… it seems like the current white house and friends all are part of this……….AKM….can you look into this……we all know that you do not sleep:)…..this scares me

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16 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

Hey, Lulu–Thanks for the support
Do you write on Kos?
What’s been your experience?

Just curious–thanks, Friend!

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Congrats AKM! We’re #!. We should all cheer. Just don’t let it bring us those trolls!

16 10 2008
mvngfwd

Congrats AKM!!!!! We did it!😉 Now I need to go get 3 hours of sleep before my 6am flight. Good night Mudwarriors……..

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

AKM – Hearty congratulations; well-deserved. (You should charge us all at least $40 an hour helping us preserve our sanity. You would be in Obama’s upper tax bracket.

16 10 2008
Anonymous

Bill @19.50.59: First, your wealth IS being taken from you and redistributed— upward. Unless you are very well off, you are paying more of your income than hugely wealthy people like Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett pointed out that his secretary’s income is more heavily taxed than his, and he thinks it’s disgraceful.

Second, Obama’s comment, sorry to disappoint you, isn’t developing “legs” BC American people have wised up to the silliness of McCain’s trying to use smoke and mirrors when our house is burning down.

But just in case you’re really scared he’s a closet socialist instead of a plain old centrist Democrat, here’s the comment in context: they are talking about the flat tax, which Obama says wouldn’t raise enough revenue:

“but in truth when you add up all the revenue that would need to be raised, you’d have to slap on a whole bunch of sales taxes on. And I do believe for folks like me who have worked hard, but frankly also been lucky, I don’t mind paying just a little bit more than the waitress that I just met over there who’s things are slow and she can barely make the rent. Because my attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off if you’re gonna be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.

He’s talking about how an improved economy will mean more customers can afford Joe’s services. That’s the big bad wealth-spreading you’re so afraid of.

One of the most unforgiveable aspects of Rovian politicking is the fear they spread, and the awful behavior that stems from that fear.

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

Bec too funny – I have known from SPs launch that if she looked like Bella Abzug (sorry Bella) McCain’s numbers would be in the minus column! Some men will think with their little brain. Hannity, McCain, et al.

But I am proud as heck doggone it that I don’t know one woman who thinks SP is “just like me.”

16 10 2008
Kryss

Yo Bill –

Before you “pop off” on Obama’s economic plan, please educate yourself! I’m so tired of people (like Bill) criticizing an economic plan that will ACTUALLY put money in everyone’s pocket who has a taxable income of $250,000 or less! Not to mention, those lucky enough to earn more than $250,000 will pay 36% instead of 33% on their earning over the 250k (that’s right, they also get Obama’s tax break on their first 250k). Earning’s over 250k will be taxed at 3% more than it is now – oh ya, that’ll break the bank! Socialism Bill? Give me and everyone else a break. Go back to blogging on Fox news.

16 10 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

i want a mudflats baseball cap. yellow on black, please.

16 10 2008
fawnskin hussein mudpuppy

oh, and i’d also like to request some confetti on the next blog entry in celebration of your win.

Done. I’ve got just the confetti too….. AKM

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

mhrt – I’m not sure about PAX America – will have to look that up – but I am wondering what Obama will be able to do about Blackwater and all the other war contractors like (Cheney’s) Halliburton and their subsid – Kellogg, Brown & Root.

I hope he can send them packing. Are they trembling right now, with the high polls for Obama? Or are there really dirty behind the scenes things going on right now? Probably. This article is unsettling.

Military Contractors Charge U.S. Taxpayers $85 Billion

http://www.texaskaos.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5237

16 10 2008
biglake (sack panther hussein)

Regarding Palin’s pins:
If Palin’s 2nd pin was the Big Dipper, that would represent the Alaska flag.

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

AKM – here is a little Kool & the Gang to “Celebrate” being #1

I’m now counting on this Celebration to really continue in the wee hours of Nov. 4th!

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

I don’t think Palin had a big dipper pin – she sometimes wears that America flag jewery thingie with the flag cord twisted in gold that might look like the big dipper. I want to find out what that button she was wearing today was. Couldn’t read it. Must be a closeup somewhere.

16 10 2008
mhrt oregon

mhrt oregon (21:18:54) :

Dragon Lady (20:37:06) :

Dave left out that after Liddy got out of jail and was a media darling, on Miami Vice etc. – he talked about how you shoot Federal agents in the head because they wear body armor. Oh, he paid his debt.

No one spins better than the Repugs. Who knew this country is the 7th grade every day, oh goodie!

SP – PTA to the WH.

We need to Investigate Ayers – sounds like Whitewater (you may win but I will make you miserable).

ACORN – greatest voter fraud in history = 2012 campaign slogan because they still won’t understand the issues.

To those still here – sorry about earlier; I had 3 hours
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I do know what you are talking about… I dream of black helicopters landing on roof tops….
Does any one know about PNAC or PAX AMERICANA… it seems like the current white house and friends all are part of this……….AKM….can you look into this……we all know that you do not sleep:)…..this scares me

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Bec Hussein in Illinois (21:57:54) :

mhrt – I’m not sure about PAX America – will have to look that up – but I am wondering what Obama will be able to do about Blackwater and all the other war contractors like (Cheney’s) Halliburton and their subsid – Kellogg, Brown & Root.

I hope he can send them packing. Are they trembling right now, with the high polls for Obama? Or are there really dirty behind the scenes things going on right now? Probably. This article is unsettling.

Military Contractors Charge U.S. Taxpayers $85

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LOOK UP PAX AMERICANA…………my husband and I are out of work right now……..and i I really do not know that it matters…………….IF we have a election on NOV 4 ……..I will feel great……………I will not be able to sleep untin 1-5-09

16 10 2008
ira2

Lock Pepper Palin (21:25:50) :

Hey, ira2–
I’m a perception kind of person too–have you ever done myers briggs? I’m an INFP–long story if you’ve never done it–

But when I share my perceptions (2 diaries so far), I get blasted on Daily Kos for not having more evidence

-that’s why I prefer mudflats–a much friendlier and more forgiving group~

GoBama–Barack the Vote!

Oh, I can understand why it doesn’t go over so well with a lot of folks… it IS kinda creepy as seen from the outside, and the iffy “perception” part just doesn’t carry much weight especially in a charged pro-con situation like we’ve got going on now.

Myers-Briggs, no idea, doesn’t ring a bell, but the four letters do… I must have taken some test somewhere that came with that as a result. Not sure if it was the exact same letters or in the exact same order though.
My own uneddicated version of any such thing is to tell people that I’m right 99% of the time and we can all save ourselves a whole lot of trouble and effort if we just do as I say, LOL! Can you spell “arrogance”?
Over the last couple years, I took a few all-around bad-fate hits and my perceptor went off track for a while which was awful (leaves you “blind” if you’re used to relying on it), but it’s coming back now that I’m getting life straightened out again.

What’s the “official version” of this, do you know?

16 10 2008
Sparky

OT: I wanted to post this before taking my time reading wonderful Mudpuppies messages (to which I look forward😉 )

Several on Mudflats have mentioned McPoop’s horribly negative Robocalls and wanted to know how to stop them. I’m not sure if this works, but on Ben Smith’s commentary on Politico, a blogger offered the following:

http://www.stoppoliticalcalls.org/ht/d/Home/pid/176
This is specifically geared towards robocalls.

I hope it is “real” and works. If any Mudpuppies use it with success, please share with the rest.

Back to reading….

16 10 2008
vena45

How low can McCain/Palin go? I guess low enough to be burried underground as dead corpes in this year’s election! Did anyone also heard that the McCain campaing is robotcalling Obama’s connection with Ayers? That is why I said, they will go low enough to be burried! I hope Palin will soon have no job in the political seen when these two joksters loose the election come Nov 4th.

By the way, I just became a US citizen today so I am so thrilled to be able to vote for Obama/Biden come this Nov. I thank God for giving me the opportunity to become a citizen on time this year to vote!

16 10 2008
Sparky

oops, forgot (happy fingers) this is the link to Ben’s blog:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Obama_mocks_self_McCain_and_vice_versa.html?showall

16 10 2008
Sparky

@vena45 (22:14:41) :

Welcome, fellow American!🙂

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Here is what I found on PAX Americana– an article from 2006 in the Washington Post by Robert Samuelson. I think we have all felt the US’s decline in the world. We were chatting that up last night with Snorksred. But I do feel Obama can go a long way and improving our world image – and perhaps helping to redefine what our place in it should/could be.

Farewell to Pax Americana

By Robert J. Samuelson
Thursday, December 14, 2006; Page A31

With hindsight we may see 2006 as the end of Pax Americana. Ever since World War II, the United States has used its military and economic superiority to promote a stable world order that has, on the whole, kept the peace and spread prosperity. But the United States increasingly lacks both the power and the will to play this role. It isn’t just Iraq, though Iraq has been profoundly destabilizing and demoralizing. Many other factors erode U.S. power: China’s rise; probable nuclear proliferation; shrinking support for open trade; higher spending for Social Security and Medicare that squeezes the military; the weakness of traditional U.S. allies — Europe and Japan.

By objective measures, Pax Americana’s legacy is enormous. Since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, no nuclear device has been used in anger. In World War II an estimated 60 million people died. Only four subsequent conflicts have had more than a million deaths (the Congo civil war, 3 million; Vietnam, 1.9 million; Korea, 1.3 million; China’s civil war, 1.2 million), reports the Center for International Development and Conflict Management at the University of Maryland. Under the U.S. military umbrella, democracy flourished in Western Europe and Japan. It later spread to South Korea, Eastern Europe and elsewhere. In 1977 there were 89 autocratic regimes in the world and only 35 democracies, the center estimates. In 2005 there were 29 autocracies and 88 democracies.

More at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301907.html

16 10 2008
ira2

WHOA Hey whassat, A WIN?? Number One Political Blog?? Gotta go check… brb.

16 10 2008
Michele

MSNBC is reporting that Palin’s office says they will release her emails–for $15,000,000.00 (seriously). I’m getting the sense that they really don’t know or care how awful they look as human beings any more. Does this mean that the freedom of information suit brought by Andree McCleod that resulted in the recent ruling forcing Palin to not destroy her personal emails related to state business will be subject to these sorts of fees?

16 10 2008
LaNon

vena45 (22:14:41) :

By the way, I just became a US citizen today so I am so thrilled to be able to vote for Obama/Biden come this Nov. I thank God for giving me the opportunity to become a citizen on time this year to vote!
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Hooray
LOUD APPLAUSE
Welcome to the Republic, citizen Vena!
Proud to stand with you as others stood with our own forbearers.

To our ancestors!
To free speech!
To our futures, intertwined!
xo

16 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Congratulations Vena! You probably know a lot more about our country than many of us, since you had to really study up and pass that test. I think our newest citizens often make the most conscientious ones! So help us out.

Night all…..

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

Vena – Congratulations and perfect timing!

(Band plays National Anthem, flags wave, confetti swirls!!!! in a virtual world.)

We are fortunate to have you choose our great nation.

16 10 2008
Bea

Congratulations vena! Thanks for providing something happy and positive to contemplate as I try to get to sleep. The fact that you wanted to be a part of our country– despite its many deep flaws and how far we still have to go toward becoming our better selves– gives me HOPE.

Night all. May your dreams be sweet.

16 10 2008
Dragon Lady

It is 2:30 here Mudpups – until tomorrow night.

As I close, MSNBC Rachel rebroadcast is broadcasting a climate change/polar bear extinction commercial for WWTF.

After the election we have to all help AK have SP recalled.

16 10 2008
vena45

Are you sure McCain isn’t a schizophrenic for blinking his eyes?

16 10 2008
vena45

Bea,

Thank you for the kind words and good night to you as well!

16 10 2008
LA

Vena45,
Welcome to the family!!!!!

16 10 2008
ira2

vena45 (22:14:41) :

[…]
By the way, I just became a US citizen today so I am so thrilled to be able to vote for Obama/Biden come this Nov. I thank God for giving me the opportunity to become a citizen on time this year to vote!

CONGRATULATIONS!! from one who’s pitifully limping behind in that respect. How long did it take from the time you applied until today? Is it still around two years?

16 10 2008
Soldotna Sue

Congratulations to our wonderful leader, AKM, on beingchosen #1 on Bloggers’ Choice!! It’s a recognition rich deserved! Yea!

16 10 2008
Sparky

Yesterday I found a “saved” link on my Google listings that brought back a flood of memories. The day after Palin’s horrifying speech at the RNC, I along with many other emotion-charged souls were numb and somewhat lost…WTF? But I found the Mudflat link: “What is John McCain Thinking? One Alaskan’s Perspective.” Linking to Mudflats a picture of The Mug-Shot Saloon in Wasilla and a wonderful essay/commentary that said everything I had been thinking.

I wasn’t alone…a safe, sane little bit of sanctuary in an all-too-crazy world.

I love you AKM…I don’t know you, but I sure need to thank you for giving us this respite from craziness any time we need to check out…we check in to Mudflats.

16 10 2008
vena45

Thank you everyone for all your kind words and your support for my ability to vote this year! You don’t know how long I’ve waited and prayed for to be able to become a citizen on time this year to vote for Obama! It took the Immigration dept one whole freakin year just to approve my Naturalization form to become a citizen. I wasn’t suppose to be able to go and swear in under oath until Nov 17th. For some lucky reason someone called me this morning from the Immigration dept asking if I would be able to go in today and swear in to become a US citizen because my fingerprint will expire before I’m even able to swear in on Nov 17th, which means the whole process will start all over again postponing it for another year. Heck, I told the guy on the phone that I thought I already have an appt for tomorrow’s oath ceremony at the convention center only because when I took my test 2wks ago the lady had told me that my oath ceremony will be on Oct 17th. He corrected me and said, my appointment isn’t until Nov 17th and what the lady told me shows differently on my appt form . I guess there are true hard working simaritians after all in looking out for other simaritians. I truly believe God was looking after me because he knows how badly I wanted to vote this year. Heck I’ve been complaining to my husband for one year now if I’ll even be given the chance to vote during 08 election. Maybe this is a sign from God that the right man (Obama) will need as much voters as he can to win and help our country back on track. Sorry if I’m bringing up the subject of religion but I’m a Christian and proud to be one. And no I’m not a conservative, use to be but not anymore. I’ve learned throughout my life that just because you’re a Christian, Evangelical, Catholic, etc doesn’t mean you have to count out those who don’t share the same views as yours such as the topic on abortion, gays, etc. We need to accept and respect everyone’s opinion and their views of life.

16 10 2008
JP

What floored me was John McCain snarking in the debate “Joe, you’re rich! You’re rich.” – mocking Obama’s definition of someone who makes only $280,000 a year as rich.

Now $280k seems pretty rich to me, but I’m not American so I looked up what average salaries for different jobs were and came up with things like this:

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Country=United_States/Salary

Admin assistant $32k
Teachers $40-50k
Construction Project managers $70k
Software Engineers $90k

or from
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/People_with_Doctor_of_Medicine_(MD)_Degrees/Salary
Family Physician $134k
General Surgeon $197k

And even:
US Senator $169k

And John McCain thinks that if Joe earns $280k a year, that doesn’t make him rich? How well is that going to play?

16 10 2008
JP

What floored me was John McCain snarking in the debate “Joe, you’re rich! You’re rich.” – mocking Obama’s definition of someone who makes only $280,000 a year as rich.

Now $280k seems pretty rich to me, but I’m not American so I looked up what average salaries for different jobs were and came up with things like this (from payscale dot com – can’t post links or my posts all end up in the spam bin…. aarrgh)

Admin assistant $32k
Teachers $40k
Construction Project managers $70k
Software Engineers $90k
Family Physician $134k
General Surgeon $197k

And even:
US Senator $169k

And John McCain thinks that if Joe earns $280k a year, that doesn’t make him rich? How well is that going to play out amongst the undecideds?

16 10 2008
vena45

ira2,
It too one year for the Immigration to approve my application here in Cali.

16 10 2008
mayflower

Please help Jamie and Alex Mallery – the REAL VICTIMS of the latest McCainigans!

Thanks to John McCain, the Mallerys have been deluged with so many calls from media that their Average American Household cannot even keep up!!!! Alex has to work a midnight shift & Jamie has been left to deal with the deluge of media seeking out that elusive “Joe”. You see, her phone number wasn’t one associated with ‘Samuel J Wurzelbacher’, but rather his ex-wife (and perhaps their OLD phone number) in 2006…. Nonetheless, every news agency from NBC, CNN, ABC, the Post, Anchorage Daily News, Warner Brothers, ETC. has been calling them non-stop Mrs. Mallery told me tonight.

“They haven’t stopped since last night at about, after 9 p.m. – I could play this machine, I mean, my husband has to go to work at midnight and it’s hard for him,” she explained, “Some have been so rude as to say ‘Is Kimberly there? & when I say ‘No’ they say, “We’ll call back in an hour,” she told me earlier tonight.

“It’s been so hard. Crazy. I mean, we don’t know him! Or his ex-wives! And we’re getting calls… oh, I can show you from all over… it’s crazy!”

Did the mention of voting ever come up?

You ‘betcha!’ “I mean, before all this, even, my husband was kinda leaning toward Obama”

Now? Well, let me put it in Mrs. Mallery’s words:

“Way to go Joe, I wasn’t even married to you & THIS is the trouble you’ve caused …. ”

Please, folks, can we send this family to Disney for an American Thanksgiving???

17 10 2008
ira2

Hey, one year is good! Last I heard (from a Canadian neighbor in AZ) it was two years. Maybe CA works a bit faster, huh? :o)

17 10 2008
IndieWatch

Re: Anonymous @ 21:48:36 re: Bill @19.50.59

“Spreading the wealth…”

Thanks so much, Anonymous, for providing the context for Obama’s “spreading the wealth” comment–it’s so important for all of us to spread that clarification to those who misunderstand or purposefully misconstrue Obama’s words. Obama just makes so much common sense, which, it seems, turns out to be not that common after all. Sigh….

For more thoughts re “spreading the wealth” and the ramifications of inequality, please read this NYT piece by David Frum–yes, that conservative who was a real twit to Rachel Maddow–called “The Vanishing Republican Voter.”

Frum acknowledges that inequality taken to extremes, which is what has been taking place, and the overemphasis on “values” issues actually work against the conservative and Republican aims as well. Too bad his motive for equality is not simply for the virtue of equality in and of itself, but, still, it’s an interesting read. Be sure to click on the “Letters” link, too, for good comments about the piece.
http://tiny.cc/Frum

Oh, congratulations to Vena on your citizenship and kudos to AKM!

17 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Bill – “I don’t care for Obama’s economic plan for redistibuting wealth-socialism.
Forced benevolence through wealth redistribution is not charity. It is me, by choice , not the state, who are told to love and serve our neighbor.”

First of all, I AM living in a truly socialist society and it is a bit more complicated than that. But there is a long road between working towards a better society and a socialist society that tries to put that into effect, as complicated and full of faults as it is. But 2 questions – how do we pay to better our educational system, our health system, our roads, create more sources of energy, pay for our defense system and military and police and firemen if no one pays taxes? It isn’t redistributing wealth in the sense that you see it, it is basically paying our fair share – the more you make the more you have to put in the pot, and that is only fair. Why not help those underpaid teachers and nurses and yes plumbers by having the “haves” pay a little bit more.

The better off people are, the better everyone’s chances are to be healthy, get an excellent education live in decent surroundings in safe neighborhoods, then the better as a country we are.

17 10 2008
Jamie, Floridian in France

Oh, I forgot – something that pisses both me and my French husband off – those Repubs, and most recently McCain during the debate – keep on about US businesses paying the second highest taxes in the world. Bullcrap! First, I checked it out by googling Tax rate Comparison by Country or some such thing and it confirmed what I thought to be true – that it isn’t. And it isn’t accurate either when considering the cost of running a business – in many European countries we not only have taxes to pay, but very high social charges for our business and for each employee as well – 40% of revenue here in France BEFORE you pay your taxes. Then there are the costs and VAT to pay on top of it. McCain mentioned Ireland (though it isn’t 11% from what I’ve seen, but close to 12,5%) – where as an example – running a restaurant the costs of raw materials (food) are extremely higher, much higher than in the States. As they are here in France.

I have an American friend here who part owned a restaurant in the States and now owns one here with her husband – last year she made 152,000 € turnover and after paying costs, salaries (2 part-time) and social charges, then paying her taxes (business and personal) ended up living on about 400€/month for her, her husband and baby. She may have a lousy accountant, but it isn’t far off from what it is normally. She told me that if they had made the same turnover on an equivalent restaurant business in the States, they would be rich. So I wish someone would call McCain on his big fib – businesses are very well-off in the States compared to the rest of the world – and that is no excuse to lower taxes on big corps!!

17 10 2008
SMR

I can totally relate to the ignorance of the masses when it comes to spewing hate for socialism and having absolutely no idea of how to differentiate between true socialism and the plans that Obama has laid out that they feel are “socialist.” Having just come back from several years in the UK, I think I’ve got a pretty good handle on it, and it is far too complicated for most people to easily grasp, so for those who are willing to spend the time figuring it out, they will, and for the others who have been listening to too much Fox news, they won’t, no matter what you say and how you explain it.

Anyway, I don’t usually get my news from yahoo, but this was on my email home page, and it has plenty of good news, so check it out. As a bonus, I don’t think anyone could consider yahoo to be real news, so they aren’t right or left leaning.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-souring-on-mccain

17 10 2008
CorieJ

Seems that it is time to begin a new game called “Six degrees of Alaska” and forget about Kevin Bacon lol.

17 10 2008
kate aka chin duststrap

@vena45

Congratulations on your US citizenship! I wish I had started earlier then I could vote too. I’m awaiting the interview-3 to 9 months.

Congrats too to AKM, who has kept us sane for the last 2 months.

17 10 2008
SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin

All these “surprises” about Joe the Plumber–will McCain’s people NEVER learn to properly vet their choices to speak on his behalf?
He could find dozens of people, better at doing so, on this very website.

Sad. So sad.
Tear come to eye…

17 10 2008
MomsHugs (aka Eve)

This blog is fun, but addictive – your humor saved my sanity since PA was chosen “THE ONE” by the GOP. How ’bout a GA Muddies Meet in Athens? (Yo! GA Muddies – look for MomsHugs on Facebook.) Got to get back to work! Final comments… “til we meet again” …

Vena: Many pats on your back {da-da, druummm roll} – proud you are a citizen.

Anonymous: Could not have said it better. Schmidt/Rove etc hoped to catch Obama (Himself) stating “spread the wealth” to get traction on “socialism” fears. If NonsenseNews debunks it, folks might not be so afraid of an extra tax of $900 on that extra $30,000 over the $250,000 ceiling. My old biz clients “get it” so the sky can stop falling now.

As for Joe… “poor Joe” (my a..) – so predictable. Time for a group hug, then maybe NonsenseNews can move on to evaluate tax plans. Not that it will matter much come Jan. 21 ~ budget cuts, not tax cuts, will be the topic de jour.

Video’s of the roast are on http://momshugs.blogspot.com
Go & enjoy a good belly laugh… MomsHugs

17 10 2008
Matt Dougan

This is once again the same Ol’ thing from McCain and Palin, noticed I used Ol’ as in Ol’ Joe six pack or Ol’ Joe the Plumber. It never ceases to amaze me how the radical right just accepts whatever McCain and Palin put out there, whther it’s the terrorist claims against Obama or the use of ” Joe the plumber” when it is evident throughout the media and what they found out about ol’ Joe the plumber to be true, that it appears he was most likely a Plant of the McCain Campaign. where’s the common sense America? click on links below for more interesting insight see;
A Vast Territory: Dumb and Dumber America

http://mbdougan.blogspot.com/

17 10 2008
BigPete

The funniest part was McCain congratulating Joe for BEING RICH…..Cindy must have had a good chuckle AT THAT!

17 10 2008
SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin

I don’t care for Obama’s economic plan for redistibuting wealth-socialism.

Yo, Bill–
Where were you during Civics/Citizenship classes or American Government? Or did you refuse to attend public school because it was paid for with “redistributed wealth”? Which would explain a lot, actually…
Taxes are the price we pay to have government and it’s services: schools, roads, utilities, police and fire protection, court systems, military protection, etc., etc., etc. ETC.
Where did you THINK all of that stuff came from? The Socialism Fairy?

I don’t expect to ever come close to $250K, myself. If I made 20% of that, ever, it would be amazing. Still, I’m very aware that my TRULY middle-class salary puts me in a position to be better off than about 80% of the people in the world and I’m extremely thankful for that. I work hard and I hope that my taxes (and in a less worldly sense, my good works!) will benefit me in future years, when I need some of the benefits I’ve helped fund for decades.

17 10 2008
Will the Real Joe Plumber Please Stand -up « News bLog

[…] No Comments …or rather sit down. My favorite Alaskan has an intersting article about the real “Joe Plumber.” Turns out he’s just another embarrassment for McCain. heh. Be sure to go check it out […]

17 10 2008
SC Strike Chipper Hussein Palin

Can’t believe I forgot:

Congratulations, AKM, on winning Best Political Blog!
It is well deserved.

17 10 2008
HopeMoBlue

Has anybody gotten the McCain robo calls?

17 10 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN

JBDC (21:24:48) :

HEY EVERYONE!!!! sorry if this was posted above but i just checked the Bloggers Choice contest and AKM and The Mudflats —WON!– for Best Political Blog!!! It wasn’t even close–401 votes for Mudflats with the 2nd runner up coming in with 275!! Way to go, mudpups!
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This info plus what the MSM is saying about the presidential
race has definitely made my day. AKM, I am absolutely overjoyed
that you and this great blog won. HATS OFF! to all of us
mudpuppies for making this site a weiner</strike<winner.

17 10 2008
Lee

GOP donor accused of war profiteering. From the NYT

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/world/middleeast/17fuel.html?ref=middleeast

I have to go shopping but here it is for your thoughts.

17 10 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN

oops struck wrong and too quick. UH-OH

17 10 2008
Nuclear and Indigenous Items of Interest

[…] Posted on October 17, 2008 by gregornot Say it Ain’t So, Joe (the Plumber). […]

17 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

AKM, does the whole political show this year all circle back to Alaska?

17 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

CorieJ (06:50:09) :

Seems that it is time to begin a new game called “Six degrees of Alaska” and forget about Kevin Bacon lol.
++++++++++++++++++++++

The plot is already there. Gotta be some aspiring screen writer looking at these connections and salivating.

17 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

MomsHugs (aka Eve) (08:27:41) :

Anonymous: Could not have said it better. Schmidt/Rove etc hoped to catch Obama (Himself) stating “spread the wealth” to get traction on “socialism” fears. If NonsenseNews debunks it, folks might not be so afraid of an extra tax of $900 on that extra $30,000 over the $250,000 ceiling. My old biz clients “get it” so the sky can stop falling now.
+++++++++++++++

Agree with you both. MSM needs to explain facts not just parrot Repub talking points. Why do Palin’s job for her?

17 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Jamie, Floridian in France (04:32:10) and SMR,

Thanks for the insightful input gained from living abroad.

17 10 2008
Marty Hussein McGrumpy Finger Quoter

god these repugnant idiots make me nauseous..

Who’s this bimbo on msnbc?? she just mentioned wright.. thought he was off-limits..

god.. there has to be a law about their lies..

17 10 2008
Buckeye

Meat Notgay Hussein (19:09:51) :

Will Joe have to vote with a provisional ballot?

Possibly. He’s been registered for quite some time with a misspelled name and should have corrected it. If he votes with a provisional ballot it will not even be opened until day 10 after the election. This is the same sort of person that the Republicans want thrown off the voter rolls in Ohio.

It’s kind of disgusting that this guy has been doing scab work for 6 years, almost certainly illegally. Plumbers in Ohio usually sign up through the local union hall and it takes at least 5 years of training before they can even sit for an examination to get a plumbing certificate through the state.

He’s been taking work from union contractors.

17 10 2008
drew from little ol texas

Flush Joe and the turd he rode in on !!

17 10 2008
tangenjill

Racist skinhead…what’s w/the SDjr dancing…

17 10 2008
nswfm

I saw this on the Washington Post online comments about Joe the Plumber and thought you would all enjoy a laugh:

“i think it is kind of funny though…

of all the people mccain could have brought to his side…

mike the mechanic
pete the painter
bob the barber
steve the stenographer
sally the salesman
riker the biker
manny the manager
seka the secretary
ralph the roofer
carter the carpenter
marista the barista
artie the artist
scully the sculptor
pop the cop
jeff the chef
richard the rancher

or even gabbie the cabbie…

senile mccain chose some ultra white guy who doesn’t pay his bills, and is illegally practicing a skilled trade without a license…

priceless.
😀

run johnny mcgump, run!

Posted by: FozzieBear | October 17, 2008 8:22 PM”

17 10 2008
Stephen VanNuys

I love this blog! So – the people who support the guy who said Americans are tired of the pettiness in politics continue to lap up the most petty aspects of this year’s election. Now they are scoffing at $1,000 in back taxes for a plumber in Ohio who nobody knew until the guy had the guts to question Obama to his face.

I tell you, I can’t wait for Obama to win. Once he gears up his massive spending and wealth redistribution programs, he’s going to exacerbate what already will be an inflationary exit to this recession. It could be bad guys, really bad. …I’ll be checking back out on this blog in about 2 to 3 years to see who’s scoffing then.

17 10 2008
Bell

My goodness. Joe my husband must think it’s strange how his name is used to genericize voters.

I’m Belle the Cartographer. I will have my own business. I will make more than $250,000 a year. I will happily pay for taxes that go to my community’s infrastructure, education, social programs, environmental concerns, national parks, national forests, etc. Joe the plumber seems to not care about these great things in our country. When will they get it? You can’t have a rich nation without paying for it….

My hubby is Joe the Obama Supporter.

17 10 2008
Anonymous

Bell,

I must agree with you regarding giving some back to improve this country by helping improve others. Those who don’t want to give are perfect example of Mr. Scrooge! Heck if I was making well over 250k I wouldn’t mind having to pay taxes. You would think that one would rather make that type of amount and give a little back than not to make any at all!

17 10 2008
damianmann

and yet, “joe the plumber” has become a part of the lexicon already. It’s ridiculous and shameful. Yet, I see no real coverage of the truth about Joe/Sam anywhere

17 10 2008
damianmann

17 10 2008
damianmann

take a look at this garbage




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