Catherine Stevens to Testify, and Emails to Be Turned Over to Prosecution…

14 10 2008

With the nation’s eyes on Palin and the Presidential race, Alaskans have not forgotten the importance of the other races to be decided on November 4th. Indicted senior Senator Ted Stevens is holding his own in the polls against Democratic challenger, and mayor of Anchorage, Mark Begich. Stevens is an institution who is as much a part of Alaskan history as the gold rush. Frankly, there are plenty of Alaskans who wouldn’t hold it against Uncle Ted even if he did “get a little something extra” for himself. They almost feel he deserves it, even though they might not say it out loud.

The presence of Palin on the ticket this year will bring out many Republican voters who may just cast their vote for Ted while they are there. So, the outcome of this trial is pivotal to Alaska’s chance of sending a Democrat to the Senate.

Here’s the latest on the Stevens trial.

WASHINGTON – Sen. Ted Stevens’ wife, Catherine Stevens, is tentatively scheduled to testify today or Wednesday in her husband’s corruption trial, although the senator’s lawyers haven’t said whether she will.

Stevens himself is at the end of the list, as a potential final witness. It’s not clear whether he will testify either, however, and the judge reminded Stevens – out of the presence of the jury – that he was under no obligation to do so.

“It’s your choice, you don’t have to say anything,” said U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan.

Tuesday morning, Judge Sullivan ruled that thousands of e-mails sent by Stevens’ wife, Catherine, will be turned over to federal prosecutors, who had first asked for them more than a year ago.

Communications between Catherine Stevens and her husband “will be relevant to show the material elements of the charges in the indictment, including defendant’s knowledge, intent, and motivation for concealing the benefits he received from VECO,” prosecutors argued.

They added that “in particular, we anticipate that certain documents at the time of the renovations will reflect that both Catherine Stevens and defendant knew they had not paid for the VECO work, and documents thereafter will reflect that Catherine Stevens and defendant took steps in 2004 to mislead the press when the media was investigating the costs associated with the renovations.”

Judge Sullivan said he saw no reason for prosecutors not to have the documents and ordered Stevens’ lawyers to turn them over.

The 84-year-old senator is on trial for lying on the Senate financial disclosure forms he’s required to file each year. He’s charged with accepting gifts and home renovations worth more than $250,000, chiefly from Veco Corp. and its former chief executive, Bill Allen, who was the star witness for the prosecution.

The renovations in 2000 and 2001 doubled the size of the Stevens’ home in Girdwood, expanding it from a small, A-frame cabin into a two-story retreat with multiple decks, a Jacuzzi tub and a Viking outdoor grill. Prosecutors have been laying out a case that much of the work, including the decks as well as plumbing and a complete electrical overhaul, was paid for by Veco.

In another interesting development, while the legal limit for gifts is $250, the communication the prosecution asked for includes documents relating to anything of value given to Stevens, his wife Catherine, and his daughter, Lily, including “any documents relating to diamond earrings.”

I have a feeling those diamond earrings weren’t the under $250 kind.


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14 10 2008
justme

Hi Everybody, this is off topic but I think is VERY interesting, I just hope the MSM picks it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

whoohoo.. did i get # 1??🙂

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

well, damn you justme.. hahahahahaha

14 10 2008
sosad

That was great on cnn ,, AIP the big story hope it’s up and running
The McPain Paliein camp could not be there to respond as they were still making up a defence ..
Omaba — Denounces ayers on video
Palin — Supported and backed AIP on video (this year)
Lets see how this gets spun ,, did that report also clear her of any ties to AIP

14 10 2008
justme

sorry Marty Hussein That One Voter – Get the HouseGater,😦

14 10 2008
Stink bait palin

Hi all i’m new here to posting, but been reading on here since late august.
BTW, I totally support Obama/Biden

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

Hey Stink welcome and just jump in.. the waters fine.. you’ll find lots of really great people here, except justme of course..😉

14 10 2008
BigSlick THAT ONE Hussein Clamp Noodle Palin

I think the house that Ted built would make a great rehab facility for Native Americans with addiction problems, it should be donated….

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

Could be donate Stevens AND Palins house.. would be ironic if it turns out she did the same thing. Maybe Teddy said taking bribes in Alaska is ok and who’d want to argue with him?

14 10 2008
mvngfwd

10!

14 10 2008
Whiskey Otter Hussein

Why, oh why, do people send incriminating stuff in e-mails? Especially with, say, your husband, who you speak to all the time? Not that I have a criminal mind or anything, but if I WERE to plot nefarious activities with those close to me, I’d tell ’em in person to keep it “He said, she said!” 😉

14 10 2008
Tom from PA

Did anyone here watch the Palin rally in Scranton today?

I watched about 15 minutes and it was all a bit surreal to me. Of course I was not there when it started but she had definitely lost her cockiness in the piece that I saw …even her confidence. It was almost as if she could cry.

Perhaps it was just the segment I watched but did somethng happen before her speech or perhaps the weight of everything collapsing around her but it did not seem like the same SP that hit the RNC floor only 5 weeks ago.

14 10 2008
Regi

justme (11:34:55) :

Hi Everybody, this is off topic but I think is VERY interesting, I just hope the MSM picks it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

Suuuuuuuuuure, and pigs will wear Loreal. I’m watching The Crucible, add Abigail Williams to the list of Palin like characters.

14 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Photo claiming from 2008 with SP giving speech in front of 49 star US flag
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3820

Is this AIP connection?

14 10 2008
SDSurfchick

The list continues: three 2008 Nobel Laureates In Science Endorse Obama

Barack Obama’s campaign will announce today that three 2008 Nobel laureates in Science have added their names to a list of 62 Nobel winners endorsing the Democratic candidate for president: Martin Chalfie of Columbia University, Roger Tsien of the University of California at San Diego, and the University of Chicago’s Yoichiro Nambu.

See link for the full letter and story.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/10/three_2008_nobe.html

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

euuu.. the geek on msnbc is semi crosseyed.. typical inbreed repig.. hahaha

14 10 2008
LA

Tom,
Well, Scranton is Joe’s town. Anyone out there give us a link?

14 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

KILL HIM yelled at Scranton Rally with SP today

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/14/142737/99

14 10 2008
mvngfwd

Wasn’t Stevens’ Palin’s mentor? Seems she learned well from the Master. I just got a visual of the scary decrepit guy from Star Wars who ran Darth “Palin” Vader…

14 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

Tom from PA (11:45:45) :

Did anyone here watch the Palin rally in Scranton today?
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I got the same feeling Tom. She seemed like she was having a hard time reading the teleprompter. Preoccupied maybe?

14 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

Her AIP speech is on their website, probably not for long!
http://www.akip.org/conv08.html

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

Denise, here’s the speech where she sends a shout out to the AIP nazi’s..

She even says she wants a self-sufficient state. She’s a traitor to America

14 10 2008
Lulu

If anyone gets a link to the CNN/Sanchez/AIP Exposé that was just broadcast, please post it here. Thanks.

14 10 2008
mvngfwd

McCain camp knew of the AIP story at 9:30 this morning. CNN asked if they wanted to send someone to comment. So she knew this was coming out…maybe it influenced her mood today? But she still had the pin on so how upset could she have been?

14 10 2008
judi hussein that one Obama

Perhaps since she seems to becoming endangered herself she has gained some pity for the polars.

14 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

A comment on one of the threads over at 538 went something like this:

What if Ted Stevens gets re-elected, and found guilty. (A distinct possibility.) His party would be forced to ask him to resign, (although I guess he wouldn’t have to, and he is a grumpy old bastard so might not). If he did would Palin replace him with herself?

Now I don’t know if in Alaska she can do that. It’s my understanding that when Frank Murkowski gave up his seat he replaced himself with his daughter, and the governor had nothing to do with it. Even if this is the case then Stevens could replace himself with Don Young or Sarah Palin, both equally scary thoughts.

What say Mudflatters?

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

>Lulu (11:53:38) :

If anyone gets a link to the CNN/Sanchez/AIP Exposé that was just broadcast, please post it here. Thanks.<

Yes, please.

14 10 2008
mvngfwd

The twitter tickertape has been very strong on the AIP/Todd thing. This will go far to wake up the Undecideds/Conservative Jews/Seniors.

Comment sent in by Lynette Clark- “we were jazzed…she was an Alaskan first..we are more conservative than the Repub party…we are committed to states’ rights”

14 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

mvngfwd (11:54:01) :

McCain camp knew of the AIP story at 9:30 this morning. CNN asked if they wanted to send someone to comment. So she knew this was coming out…maybe it influenced her mood today? But she still had the pin on so how upset could she have been?
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she probably figured no-one would “Get it”. Cnn, just reading a card from AIP
The neocons are pissed “joe Vogler is not even alive” spin,spin,spin…and I believe AIP is covering for her, saying first dud wasn’t a active member! Of course they would like to see her VP or Prez!

14 10 2008
mvngfwd

Wolf! Does McCain have ties to ACORN as well?

14 10 2008
mvngfwd

Sorry, Wolf Blitzer on CNN….not the pretty ones Ms.P wants to kill.

14 10 2008
Lulu

Sarah Palin is the AIP’s Manchurian Candidate. Wake up, GOP!

14 10 2008
C.Rock

Tom from PA (11:45:45) :

Did anyone here watch the Palin rally in Scranton today?
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I got the same feeling Tom. She seemed like she was having a hard time reading the teleprompter. Preoccupied maybe?

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Maybe SP knows this AIP story is going to air on CNN. CNN said they have been working in this story since 9:30 am & McCain camp knew about it.

14 10 2008
Lulu

Maybe Sarah is upset BECAUSE THEY ARE FINALLY GOING TO KICK HER OFF THE GOP TICKET.🙂

( I can dream, can’t I? Go Obama-Biden!)

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

I think she’ll just have to quit ‘for personal reasons’.

14 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

So I missed the obvious. Murkowski chose his daughter, because he was the governor! Duh! So Palin could conceivably pick herself, right?

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

the Ted Stevens and SWWNBN ethics violations are so familiar sounding to me. As stated in previous threads, our former Gov got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, got run out of office and went to jail… for what seems like LESS than what SWWNBN did. Do a search for John Rowland CT scandal.

14 10 2008
BigPete

All the videos you might want to see re. Palin-AIP are on this site…..just go back through the ‘older’ posts…..Nobody scoops AKM!

14 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

@Denise, I believe that flag is to commemorate Alaska’s statehood when it became the 49th star. That was a State event, not an AIP one.

14 10 2008
angryxer

HEY ALL YOU CALIFORNIANS! (and anyone else who can spare some $$ to protect California’s Constitution):

Sorry to be off-topic here, but Prop 8 support has grown, which would take away the right to gay marriage, now leading 47% to 42 against. HRC donors are offering matching donations TODAY ONLY, up to $120,000. You can donate here. http://www.hrc.org/ (or any time thereafter, of course; we’ll still need nonmatching donations).

I’m afraid that all the insanity of the national election and earlier polls showing a majority against Prop 8 has taken the attention off of this crucial proposition– except by the religious right, which is pouring money into the state. Especially the Mormons, who seem determined to mess with our state’s politics (only 700,000 Mormons in California, but the whole church has mobilized for the cause).

Please help!

14 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

From KO’s JM and ACORN (with video)😀
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/14/11030/966/664/629886

14 10 2008
ds55

Do we have an office pool for bets on when the wedding will be? Before the election in November? Before the baby is born in December?

14 10 2008
MJC

Maybe someone with enough courage will come forward to acknowledge that SP has attended AIP meetings.

14 10 2008
Lee

Hi, to all you great folks.

I am happy the AIP video has gone MSM.

Justme, I went to HuffPost and read the article there on McCains transition team pick. Real Sleeze. I buzzed it up. It will go mainstream if enough buzz it up.

14 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

All I know is McCain’s camp is P.O’d!!! Boo Hoo

Their message that they were upset the piece was going to air was trying to compare it to doing a piece on Barack’s religion. AIP is not a religion.

This is more recent activity as Todd only left the group recently, but it compares to more the Ayre story — threats like terrorism. They have never done anything but either had Timothy McVey until OK and he was part of a sect too. From what I read, Todd only recently registered as a Repug a month ago.

The difference to Ayre’s story — it was from 40 years ago, when Barack was 8. McCain’s camp didn’t get that right so when they boo-hoo on an interview, probably on FOX, they will probably try to downplay it as a religious sect. Watch now, they will probably jump on the Rev Wright issue in their way of comparison.

How can you tell Palin is lying — Her lips are moving!!

14 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Here’s Rachel Maddow straightening out “equivalencies” with David Frum from last night. Gotta love this woman!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/rachel-maddow-battles-dav_n_134508.html

14 10 2008
SouthernSindy aka Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

ds55,
I say no wedding

14 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Lee,
What do you mean by buzzing it up on Huff? What does it do?

14 10 2008
Suchanut Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin

AlaskaGuy (11:57:20) :

In 2004, Ballot Measure 4 “Temporary Replacement of U.S. Senator” was passed. It repealed the state law by which the Governor made a temporary appointment of a person to fill a U.S. Senate vacancy until a special or regular
election can be held.

From the ballot:

“Under the existing law the seat remains vacant until an appointment is made. Under the initiative the seat would remain vacant until the election is certified and the senate meets. Existing law provides that a special election will be held within 60 to 90 days to fill a vacancy unless the vacancy occurs within 60 days of the primary election for that seat. This initiative does not change that provision.”

We didn’t like it much that Governor Frank Murkowski appointed his daughter, Lisa Martel Murkowski, to the spot that opened when Frank left the Senate and became the Governor.
_________________________

Following everything from the office during lunch. Keep the reports coming Mudflatters!

14 10 2008
Trini

@Ds55:
I say no wedding until after the baby comes and DNA tests are performed. I’m not so sure these two really want to get married.

14 10 2008
PDX "That One" Hussein MB

angryxer (12:22:01) asked for help on Prop 8…

I sent my donation–I’m still ashamed and embarrassed that Oregon passed a constitutional ban on gay marriage a couple of years ago.

Signed,

Straight but not narrow

14 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

Check out Huffpo:

“William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.”

14 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

ADN:
“The state Personnel Board investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin’s firing of Walt Monegan has broadened to include other ethics complaints against the governor and examination of actions by other state employees, according to the independent counsel handling the case. ”
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/555288.html

Oh Sarah, doesn’t sound like Troopergate is going away.

14 10 2008
DrChill

Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca (11:47:58)

49 STAR FLAG… its a connection like her video introducing the AIP convention is a connection, like Obama’s connection to Ayers.

There’s proving a case rationally, and then there’s using things like this to occupy or distract the candidate with explainations.

Some shrug about this, others say – you ‘ve got some explaining to do !

Personally I don’t think its a big deal, but if they believe the ‘Ayers connection’, maybe they’ll believe this too.

Politics is fun eh?

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

AIP story CNN today being picked up by Daily Kos and Salon’s forum. Won’t be long now.

14 10 2008
Lulu

angryxer, you can rest assured that I’m voting against 4 and 8!!!!!

14 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

This is from AKM last week!
Now, we get to the interesting part, just before 6:00 on the video.

“Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There’s a joke, she’s a pretty good looking gal, there’s a joke goes around we’re the coldest state with the hottest governor. (laughter) And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town — that was a non-partisan job. But to get along and go along — she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.“

What Clark is saying here, is that Palin’s philosophical loyalties lie with the Alaska Independence Party, but in order to get elected, she had to distance herself from the AIP and pretend to be a Republican, because that was the only way for her to get elected. But not to worry, Clark reassures those in attendance, her heart is still with us at the AIP, and her sympathies are with our agenda, namely, Alaskan ndependence.

Palin claims to have been a member of the Republican Party since 1982. Clark is telling us that Palin ‘marked the Republican box”, but she isn’t one. He loves the fact that she got elected. He’s already dreaming about ripping one of those stars off the flag. And though Sarah Palin’s membership is not documented officially, there is no dispute that Todd Palin was a card-carrying member of the AIP as recently as 2002 when his wife was the mayor of Wasilla. After that, he decided to change his registration to “Unaffiliated.”

How does the rest of the country feel about the concept of Alaska secession, especially considering the strategic importance of the oil reserves in Alaska of which Governor Palin is so fond of reminding us? Works well for the nation of Alaska, but not so well for the truncated version of the United States of America it leaves behind.

I don’t think that the Alaskan Independence Party stands much of a chance of getting their wish of an independent Alaska. But, how can we allow Barack Obama’s patriotism and loyalty to his country to be challenged, without ever mentioning the fact that the woman who may be a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States, and her husband have legitimately condoned and supported a secessionist group?

And finally, here’s the quote of the day from AIP founder Joe Vogler.

“The fires of Hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won’t be buried under their damn flag! I’ll be buried in Dawson, and when Alaska is an independent nation, they can bring my bones home.”

Reverend Wright suddenly sounds stunningly patriotic.

Sarah Palin, meanwhile, is saying that the fact that Barack Obama served on the same non-profit board {snip}
GOTCHA from AKM!!!
Saaa-raaah! Can you hear us???? “Investigation, Impeachment” There’s something fundamentally wrong with SP !!! She’s a Liar!

14 10 2008
Lulu

P.S. angryxer, I donated through the Credo campaign today…got their e-mail…

14 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

“William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.”

From Huffington Post. Tried to send it already but it seems to have gone who knows where.

14 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

JustMe, agreed. Sounds like Working With Terrorists.

14 10 2008
caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin

Sorry about the continued italics, can’t get them to turn off😦

14 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

If the McCain camp does any Boo Hooing on Fox about the CNN AIP piece, let me know. We don’t get Faux News in Canada. We also can’t watch videos of a lot of the things on the NBC or MSNBC, ABC network sites. They won’t allow most of them to be viewed outside of the U.S.

We can watch the KO and Rachel pieces.

14 10 2008
sosad

ds55 (12:25:39) :

Do we have an office pool for bets on when the wedding will be? Before the election in November? Before the baby is born in December?

I herd they are going to name the baby “Acorn”

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

“It’s not negative and not mean-spirited in a campaign to check out our opponent’s record,” Ms. Palin said, citing Mr. Obama’s positions on late-term abortions. Smiling, she added, “I’ll let you judge for yourself.”

So glad she’s agrees we’re not negative and mean-spirited, and thank you, Sarah, I have judged for myself (smiling).

14 10 2008
SMR

Off Topic (of this particular thread) — Regarding the Monegan wants hearing ADN article, the PDF attachments are quite clear & should serve to clarify any questions for anyone who is still wondering is she/isn’t she guilty of anything. Sums things up nicely, shorter & to the point (compared to the full Branchflower report.) A good read and a good link to send to anyone still thinking that Bible Spice is a good girl who has been wronged:

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/555289.html

14 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

I seem to have become a persona non grata. Just testing to see if this posts. If it does, there’s a interesting article on Huffpo re. McCain’s transition chief and links to Sadaam.

14 10 2008
sosad

Canadian Neighbour (12:49:33) :

If the McCain camp does any Boo Hooing on Fox about the CNN AIP

The good news is they will have to boo hoo thus bringing up the subject (again and again) boo hoo = woo hoo (for us)

14 10 2008
Teresa

McCain says he will bring up Ayers on Wed… does he REALLY want to go there??
McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

Media Contact List, get this out there!!
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

>Teresa (12:53:42) :

McCain says he will bring up Ayers on Wed… does he REALLY want to go there??<

Teresa, I bet his plans just radically changed today.

14 10 2008
bPoint

I am a bit surprised that the AIP story isn’t on the CNN website front page. Looking there, it is difficult to find the story unless you know it is in the video section

14 10 2008
Lulu

Ammunition about Ayers attack:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/13/123010/31

Yes, this profiles the famed Annenbergs and other prominent GOPers who were on the same board with Ayers and Obama.

Another GOP smear bites the dust.

14 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

Suchanut Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin (12:34:59)

Thanks for the clarification!!!

14 10 2008
angryxer

PDX “That One” Hussein MB @ (12:39:31), Thanks for helping! I’m feeling so blindsided and freaked out by the possibility of Prop 8 passing, which seemed unlikely just a few short weeks ago. (Ugh… I’d forgotten about the Oregon law; have a feeling my psyche just needed to block it right out)

Lulu, very glad of your votes too– we’re going to need every last one. Just when I think I can relax a little bit over the nat’l race (tho’ not too much– never know what McCain is going to pull next), my stomach’s in a severe knot about Prop 8.

14 10 2008
Bea

angryxer (12:22:01) :

Sorry to be off-topic here, but Prop 8 support has grown, which would take away the right to gay marriage, now leading 47% to 42 against. HRC donors are offering matching donations TODAY ONLY, up to $120,000. You can donate here.

http://www.hrc.org/

(or any time thereafter, of course; we’ll still need nonmatching donations).

_______

Thanks so much for alerting us to the matching fund drive! I have donated to HRC before and am delighted to have my $$ go twice as far to support marriage quality for all!

P.S. Mudpuppies, you can give as little as $5— and turn it instantly into $10!

14 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

bPoint

Someone posted earlier that it will show up on Salon and Dailykos and probably Huff. I don’t see any tapes of Sanchez stuff on the CNN site. The show only finished an hour ago.

14 10 2008
SouthernSindy aka Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

Forty Watt
You’re always welcome here
Obama supporters are lovers not haters

14 10 2008
Lulu

And more clarifying the Annenberg connection to Ayers and that board…

Lenore Annenberg has endorsed McCain, no less! So, trying to track…McCain is trying to smear Obama for serving on a board with Ayers– at the request of someone who has endorsed McCain. The Annenbergs are a famous GOP family!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/mccains-trumpets-endorsem_n_132954.html

14 10 2008
angryxer

Lulu, that’s great! I didn’t know about the Credo campaign. I’m sure there are many others I haven’t heard of that are fighting the good fight. Here’s hoping we can come from behind and win this thing. I just can’t imagine the first state to overturn miscegenation laws would see such a defeat of civil rights. Did I mention I have a special rage for out-of-state religious fundies messing around in CA politics? grrrr….

14 10 2008
AlaskaGuy

Suchanut Wesson Hussein Scalper Palin (12:34:59)

But what if Stevens resigns within 60 days? That isn’t clear from your post?

14 10 2008
angryxer

Thanks, Bea! Love all y’all Mudpuppies!

14 10 2008
Lulu

angryxer, I know, it’s unreal to have fundies FROM OUTSIDE OF CA running the pro-8 campaign. AGH. Kind of like the McCain campaign running the Alaskan investigation of Palin…well, sorta….

I’m sure this has been posted on here before, because you all are so on the ball….The White House wants Palin off the GOP ticket????
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/watch-conservative-column_n_134638.html

14 10 2008
lovethecountry AKA Rust Mustang 'THAT ONE HUSSEIN'

@Sosad

Wedding is going to be in Summer, atleast according to Levi – He was interviewed by NBC reporter and in that, he said ‘Bristol is busy with me for our summer wedding’

So there it is..no wedding before election ..

14 10 2008
Pam

Hey – got this in an email today…lol…i thought, boy, i know where there’s a bunch of anti-pallin people…have at it guys..Thanks:

PBS has an online poll posted asking if Sarah Palin is qualified. Apparently the right wing knew about this in advance and are flooding the voting with YES votes.

The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up by mainstream media. It can influence undecided voters in swing states.

Please do two things — takes 20 seconds and

1) Click on link and vote yourself.

Here’s the link:
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

2) Then send this to every single Obama-Biden voter you know, and urge them to vote and pass it on.

The last thing we need is PBS saying their viewers think Sarah Palin is qualified!

Thanks!

14 10 2008
phoebe

When the campaign is over & Obama is President do all of us Mudpuppies get to take over most of MSM journalists positions? We will keep Keith (he’ll need a little supervsion), & ofcourse Rachel, Chris will need a little remedial training, but I say most of the others MUST GO. Tom Brokaw will be one of the very first. (Sorry Tom, but we are very disappointed in you). I think AKM, The Alaskans & the rest of the MUDS have done a hell of a job & we deserve their jobs. We’ve helped them as best we could, having to send & resend links time & time again, but since the MUDS are so much more resourceful….well it’s a cruel world.

14 10 2008
sosad

Here’s the link:
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

I just voted and passed it along

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Anybody hear about Kathleen Parker’s appearance on the Colbert Report. She says that White House officials want her off the GOP ticket (not that that means much).

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/14/parker-palin-white-house/

14 10 2008
Laurie

@Pam…I could be wrong, but I believe that poll was debunked a long time ago.

14 10 2008
SouthernSindy aka Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

@lovethecountry
I read the Levi story talking about the summer wedding also
But do you really think there will be a wedding when swwnbn retreats back to Alaska on Nov 5? (If not sooner)

14 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Off Topic:

I am pleased to see they have finally charged the mother in Florida for first degree murder of her daughter Caylee.

14 10 2008
Bobg

I’ve posted this before but after today’s CNN story about the AIP it seems more likely. If I was Sarah Palin I wouldn’t ride in any airplane unless McCain was sitting next to me.
I can see it now; the headlines read “Sarah Palin killed when campaign jet crashes mysteriously. McCain saddened but picks Lieberman as VP candidate and continues to campaign. Campaign staff ordered by McCain to never mention Palin’s name again.

14 10 2008
Frank aka. Lier Skunk Palin

ds55 (12:25:39) :

Do we have an office pool for bets on when the wedding will be? Before the election in November? Before the baby is born in December?

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Hahahhaha one or the other would have to actually happen in order to win the bet.

14 10 2008
GJ in Idaho

Great story on the Steven’s case. As always you all are hard at work getting the word out and keeping up with the latest news. I can always count on finding it 1st here, including the best links to what I’ve missed while off doing chores or actually getting my work done.

I can’t help but notice how fast a learner SP is and quickly she picks up the tricks of her one time mentor, Steven. Only as I understand it, she didn’t just to a remodel of her home, she and 1st Dud found away to get his “buddies” to build the whole thing from Arena funds. I’m sure interested in seeing where the legs on that story take it.

Has anyone discovered just what a $600K+ kitchen looks like? I’d sure love to see what they cook in that kitchen. I also watched a youtube bit a few weeks ago where the lady showing off the arena was so pleased that her church was also able to have meeting some place in the building. I ask the question then, but still haven’t gotten and answer, just which church would that be?

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Ok, please go watch the Kathleen Parker interview. It will really make you feel good.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/14/parker-palin-white-house/

14 10 2008
angryxer

Ha! Nice comparison, Lulu– and not just the McCain campaign interfering in AK, but Texas fundies lending their support to Palin as well. That was extra-special icing on the cake for me.

I did see Kathleen Parker on Colbert today (I’m on Mr. Steven’s series of tubes for Colbert & Daily Show, always day-after viewing), and I thought she was great. After Frum’s performance on Maddow last night, I wasn’t sure what to expect, but I liked Parker and wish she’d had more time on the interview. I bet she’ll be back on the show, because I think she had a good time with Colbert. Poor woman, getting 12,000 emails, mostly hate mail! If you heard her relate that one horrible email she got– and then she said it was one of the nicer ones!!? I was shocked. What insanity masquerades as “conservatives” now? I try to remember there are decent conservatives out there, but it gets harder and harder as the mob mentality rears its ugly head.

14 10 2008
lovethecountry AKA Rust Mustang 'THAT ONE HUSSEIN'

Some great pictures of Obama & Biden since the DNC…It did bring me to tears

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/campaign-trail-pda-the-ob_n_134324.html

One comment on huff that I find was very interesting – Barack has found the father figure in Joe and Joe is actually treating Michelle like daughter-in-law and after reading the comment, I went and looked at pictures again and I could see some real love between these families..

Amazing feeling – I could feel the Good vibes coming from them

14 10 2008
ignorance is not bliss

I just sent Mark Begich some money. I hope others can support him during this crucial time.

14 10 2008
Ted Powell

Pam wrote: “PBS has an online poll posted asking if Sarah Palin is qualified.”
Please, this poll is old. See, for example, http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/please_stop_youre_driving_me_i.php

14 10 2008
SouthernSindy aka Rankle Hiway Hussein Palin

On CNN now… story about the great schlep..jewish grandkids schlepping to Florida to get their grandparents to vote for Obama.

14 10 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

Marty Hussein That One Voter – Get the HouseGater (11:35:01) :

whoohoo.. did i get # 1??

That smilie cost you the number 1. Time is of the essence!

14 10 2008
John Mashey

A more serious note for the decent citizens of AK:

a) AK gets substantially more money from the Federal government than it sends. The last numbers I’ve seen were from 2001, but I believe the general idea is still true.
That year, AK had ~5th best ratio of (received)/sent.

b) Some of us live in states that get less back than we pay, and in CA’s case, in effect, all by ourselves we contribute about 20% of the extra money that goes to AK.

c) Right now, the *overpowering* impression is that despite having many decent citizens, AK is visibly led by politicians who are great at earmarks for dumb projects, and whose houses get built/improved by construction buddies who are the recipients of our tax money… and that there is endemic corruption up there that is newly in people’s attention. This may or may not be fair, but people wonder about SP’s house and the Governor’s Mansion, and Uncle Ted’s place…

d) We’re all in for some difficult economic times, and I’m not sure how keen most of the contributing states will be for subsidizing AK.

e) Hence, it would behoove decent Alaskans to be *quite* visibly seen to be sweeping corruption out in this election…

14 10 2008
Wired Differently

angryxer– thanks for the heads up. just sent my donation to HRC.

Ever Vigilant (especially where Mormons are concerned)

14 10 2008
angryxer

phoebe (13:16:45) :

When the campaign is over & Obama is President do all of us Mudpuppies get to take over most of MSM journalists positions? We will keep Keith (he’ll need a little supervsion), & ofcourse Rachel, Chris will need a little remedial training, but I say most of the others MUST GO. Tom Brokaw will be one of the very first. (Sorry Tom, but we are very disappointed in you). I think AKM, The Alaskans & the rest of the MUDS have done a hell of a job & we deserve their jobs. We’ve helped them as best we could, having to send & resend links time & time again, but since the MUDS are so much more resourceful….well it’s a cruel world.
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phoebe– hilarious! and amen to all that. did you see the most recent SNL spoof of the presidential debate? it was a huge slam on Brokaw more than anything.
http://angryxer.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/saturday-night-live-update-thursday-debate-open-video-nbccom/
(having one’s own blog = easier to keep track of favourites!)

For sure, Mudflats has been one of the primary sources of real news in this campaign. Eternal thanks to all those who have posted such fantastic leads (not least of which, of course, is our fearless leader AKM)

14 10 2008
angryxer

Thanks, Wired Differently. So grateful for all hands on deck!

(glad you got the avatar up & running, by the way; it’s a cool one)

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

>angryxer (13:30:21) :

but Texas fundies lending their support to Palin as well. That was extra-special icing on the cake for me. <

I agree. That’s kinda scary to me – seems like instead of McCain picking Palin, Franklin Graham and James Dobson picked her. I’m so glad the real Sarah is starting to be revealed.

14 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

lovethecountry AKA Rust Mustang ‘THAT ONE HUSSEIN’ (13:30:33) :

Looked at the photos, they DO look like family! They look sincere and genuine. So unlike the pics you see of the other four! There is HOPE here for us all!

14 10 2008
angryxer

good god! speaking of intolerance on the right, this from Andrew Sullivan:

Fatwahed By The Right
Dissent will not be tolerated:

Christopher Buckley, the author and son of the late conservative mainstay William F. Buckley, said in a telephone interview that he has resigned from the National Review, the political journal his father founded in 1955.

Mr. Buckley said he had “been effectively fatwahed by the conservative movement” after endorsing Barack Obama in a blog posting on TheDailyBeast.com;

since then, he said he has been blanketed with hate mail at the blog and at the National Review, where he has written a column.

As a result, he wrote to Richard Lowry, the editor of the National Review, and its publisher, Jack Fowler, offering to resign, and “this offer was rather briskly accepted,” Mr. Buckley said.
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It’s a deeply sad day in this country when intelligent dissent is not allowed amongst members of a group, no matter what that group. I’d like to think that the conservatives could manage some soul searching after all of this; their intolerance is off the charts.

14 10 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

lovethecountry AKA Rust Mustang ‘THAT ONE HUSSEIN’ (13:30:33) :

Some great pictures of Obama & Biden since the DNC…It did bring me to tears

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/campaign-trail-pda-the-ob_n_134324.html

One comment on huff that I find was very interesting – Barack has found the father figure in Joe and Joe is actually treating Michelle like daughter-in-law and after reading the comment, I went and looked at pictures again and I could see some real love between these families..

Amazing

Thanks for posting that. You can really see the love, and the desire to improve America and the world.
Any similar photos from the Republicans?

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps
14 10 2008
angryxer

p.s., and consequently, I have that much more respect for those conservatives who are speaking their minds, knowing that they risk ostracism by doing so.

14 10 2008
Michele

Halcro has a great radio show on right now about the Monegan filing. He quoted Art Chace (?) as saying about the Palin admin “these people should be convicted of felony stupid.” Here’s a link for the webcast for non-Alaskan’s: http://www.650keni.com

14 10 2008
Lacy Lady

AT LAST!!! Cnn ran the AIP Palin video!!!1 It made my day!!! I don’t expect Fox news to do the same. If anything, they will defend her some way. I just hope this leads to something more , and all the crap she has been doing will be revealed. Maybe, just Maybe, people will WAKE UP!!!!!!!

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Yes, angryxer, this stuff really frightens me. It’s almost becoming like a religious war in the USA, and the fundies seem to have attached themselves to the GOP.

14 10 2008
divatalk Hussein

Hi guys,
I decided I’d scale back my visits to 2 or 3 times a day instead of all day every day, all night, very night. Needed to take some time to do things like eat, shower, just little unnecessary stuff🙂

Did anyone get the CNN link yet from Huff Post or Daily Kos?

14 10 2008
angryxer

Crust Scramble – SouthGA (13:42:38) :

but Texas fundies lending their support to Palin as well. That was extra-special icing on the cake for me. <

I agree. That’s kinda scary to me – seems like instead of McCain picking Palin, Franklin Graham and James Dobson picked her. I’m so glad the real Sarah is starting to be revealed.
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Crust Scramble,

Yep– the (not-so) invisible hand of Dobson was obviously at work, especially given his unequivocal comment in Jan 2007:

“Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances*,”

*unless he chooses my hand-picked Jesus disciple as running mate

14 10 2008
Bea

angryxer,

I also sent out the info on the matching campaign in an email to friends and family around the country!

Hope the donations flood in. Keep us posted.

Link for anyone that missed it upthread: http://www.hrc.org//

14 10 2008
Bella the Bunny Girl

Don’t see this link yet, so just in case, down in the comments, someone linked the CNN/AIP piece:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/14/151519/61/145/630389

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

UK Lady posted a link above.

Yea, I don’t HAVE to shower, but I hate missing meals!

14 10 2008
angryxer

argh! first time a post just disappeared after I hit submit. Anyway, Crust Scramble, I was replying to you and quoting Dobson from Jan 2007:

“Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances”

ahem…. unless he picks my chosen handmaiden of the lord!

14 10 2008
angryxer

Alright, second comment just disappeared. Maybe Mudflats is spitting out my Dobson quotes?

14 10 2008
squee

No CNN link but the clip is up on youtube

14 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Humor time – Stephen Colbert’s (truthiness) site – the little movie about the ‘world’s greatest hockey mom’ is a scream.

http://www.wikiality.com/Mrs._Todd_Palin

14 10 2008
angryxer

Ok, that one went through. I’ll try paraphrasing, since Mudflats seems to be Dobson-phobic (for good reason!) Crust Scramble, Dobson said in Jan 2007 that under no circumstances would he vote for McCain, so youbetchya, there was an escape clause in there if McCain picked one of Dobson’s chosen. (shudder.)

14 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

@Jamie, Floridian in France (05:00:44) :

I am likin’ the way Florida is lookin’ on that vote map to the right! Obama has made it to the 50% mark and McCain is sinking! But now I am just prayin’ that those damn Republicans don’t knock off too many Dem voters from the voters registers before Nov. 4th. We’ve lived though that before! But I know one old Jewish lady (my mom) who is a true-blue, die-hard Democrat who can’t bring herself to vote for Obama! “Can’t quite trust him”, she says! “Have you ever listened to him?” “No, of course not!” What’s a girl to do???? Tho the good news is, my lil’ bro’ who is the only registered Repub in the family IS voting Obama.

Jamie, this is important!

Your mom may secretly believe all the trash she’s no doubt been hearing about Obama being a Muslim and a Hamas supporter etc etc

Have you heard about the Great Schlep? It’s a program to educate older Jewish Florida citizens who can’t bring themselves to vote for Obama for all the wrong reasons – Muslim, Hamas, Medicaid, any old rumour or lie will do.

http://www.thegreatschlep.com/site/index.html

This Great Schlep is sponsored by the Jewish Council for Education and Research.

14 10 2008
LaNon

Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca (11:47:58) :

Photo claiming from 2008 with SP giving speech in front of 49 star US flag
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3820

Is this AIP connection?
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good eye, denise.
it counts!
pretty clear image, i’d say.

14 10 2008
angryxer

Thanks so much, Bea! I’m on HRC’s mailing list, so no doubt they’ll keep my utterly-distracted-by-the-natl-election self reminded of the state of affairs in CA. Plus, in case any CA readers haven’t noticed, how much does SFGate (aka, the SF Chronicle online) suck now? I’m not sure it’s even trying to report on stories anymore. As if the dreadful website redesign wasn’t bad enough, but navigation is hardly their only problem. Actual decent reporting is becoming scarce. Yet another venue ripe for phoebe’s plan– replace the positions with Mudflatters!

14 10 2008
Joe and Heather Linwood Nj

I am not sure if this was posted but…..
Palin on Rush Limbaugh…My goodness how low can you go lady?
I watched a bit on Chris Mathews, he will rerun the show at 7pm Eastern time.
What is wrong with this woman? Does she not get it? She is not welcome to lead this country only by some ignorant racist who are saying some cruel and crazy things caught on tape.

14 10 2008
cmac

any idea why cnn isn’t posting this on their web site? I was so excited they ran the story (caught it at lunch time) but then zippo on the website.

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

off topic:

I am watching reruns of CNN on my computer, cuz I don’t have cable (I know,,,, neanderthal) and I’m definitely noticing that SWWNBN is wearing more revealing, tighter fitting clothes. WTF???

I really cannot stand her now. Worse than ever.

Oh, and I love Rachael Maddow. Think she’ll date me? 😉

14 10 2008
LaNon

@Denise, I believe that flag is to commemorate Alaska’s statehood when it became the 49th star. That was a State event, not an AIP one.
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Before she was born? I think we went from 48 to 50, not sure.
But whatever the justification, it doesn’t work with logic, although that would probably be the best way to spin it. (just sayin’)

14 10 2008
angryxer

Wow, really? Word was, a week or two ago, that she wouldn’t appear on Limbaugh. God, is there a worse combination out there? (only Palin + Hannity, probably.) I will definitely have to follow this via the Keith-o or Maddow filter. Oh hey, why don’t they have her on Howard Stern? That seems fitting at this point. How low can you go?

14 10 2008
Montana Born

Wow mudflatters! This thread is really breath taking. My head is spinning.
I hope to be able to add something more edifying some day.

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

>angryxer
Dobson said in Jan 2007 that under no circumstances would he vote for McCain, so youbetchya, there was an escape clause in there if McCain picked one of Dobson’s chosen. (shudder.)<

Yeah, but John McCain did go see Franklin Graham (considered more militant than his dad) on June 29 of this year. And there are numerous connections between McCain, Graham, Palin, Dobson and the Arlington Group. Hope this blog posts. It puts it all together, but I’ve run down most of this info on its on.

http://confrontaal.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palins-troopergate-scandal.html

14 10 2008
ds55

I’m happy that CNN covered the AIP/Palin connections. It’s about time!

14 10 2008
Scotsgirl

Thanks for the LINK to CNN vid from UK Lady (I am from Glasgow, living in Texas) and RE pROP 8 – Donated, I feel better and hope it works.
Can’t wait for the MSM on AIP and Housegate….

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

angryxer,

Yeah, but John McCain did go see Franklin Graham (considered more militant than his dad) on June 29 of this year. And there are numerous connections between McCain, Graham, Palin, Dobson and the Arlington Group. Hope this blog posts. It puts it all together, but I’ve run down most of this info on its on.

confrontaal.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palins-troopergate-scandal.

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

I hate it when it kicks back my post because of a little ‘ole link.

angryxer,

Yeah, but John McCain did go see Franklin Graham (considered more militant than his dad) on June 29 of this year. And there are numerous connections between McCain, Graham, Palin, Dobson and the Arlington Group. Hope this blog posts. It puts it all together, but I’ve run down most of this info on its on.

look under sarah troopergat @ confrontaal.blogspot.com

14 10 2008
Lulu

@UK lady turning turtle Palinps (13:48:01) wrote:
“Here it is folks!!!! CNN”

Thanks for the link!

14 10 2008
angryxer

Hey Ripley,

Gay & hetero alike, we’re all stymied in our dating Maddow fantasies by the fact that she has a partner, of seven or so years. Still, we can all dream that she’ll be ready for a change soon😉 Mind you, I don’t believe she’s a switch-hitter, and I’m already on the team, so rarin’ to go…

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

angryxer, Tried to send a link to tie this altogether, but I CAN’T. boo, hiss

Yeah, but John McCain did go see Franklin Graham (considered more militant than his dad) on June 29 of this year. And there are numerous connections between McCain, Graham, Palin, Dobson and the Arlington Group. I had a blog to post that ties it all together, but can’t get it to post. I’ve run down most of this info on its on.

14 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

The pictures of Barack, Joe, Michelle & Jill are excellent.

Someone left this comment on the Huff page which is funny:

Dang! These guys genuinely like each other. And they’re not afraid to show it. What a relief after eight years of Nasty McSnarlyface and Dim Son acting more like spoiled son and hawkeyed father, and now creepy Oldguy McLetch letching all over Winky McGams

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Lulu – You’re welcome, they could have hit harder, we know more here than them, but hey! it’s a start.

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

So, if I get kicked off for trying to post a link, am I in ‘time out’ for awhile?

14 10 2008
Wired Differently

Whoa! Christopher Buckley resigned from NR? The Republican Party is imploding! heheheheheheheheheh. Oooooh, I remember his father’s debates with Gore Vidal back in the whatever presidential election that was.

angryxer– I’ll be sure to spread the word about prop 8. I lived in Cali in my teen and college years and my daughter is in college in socal. I’m emailing her now.

I remain– Wired Differently!

14 10 2008
ds55

Uh-oh. The video stopped working. Did McCain make CNN yank it offline?

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Hi Puppies! Looks like we are troll free for the minute🙂 Yeah! I have been looking for print reports of the AIP thing and can’t find any using all of my usual sources… is this just going to stay as a CNN video?

BTW… UK Lady, I enjoyed your link for our “friend” last night. Have you all read http://www.thenation.com today? Good stuff🙂

14 10 2008
divatalk Hussein

Ok, am I missing something. I saw the youtube clip, but I haven’t seen the CNN video. Can’t find it on their site. Curious, doesn’t make sense. How long does it take for them to post after show?

Am I being paranoid? Am just overlooking? Talk me down!

14 10 2008
Deb

afternoon mudflatters- was just catching up on the posts
there’s the answer for SP as to what she can do after the election…she can pinch hit for rush! (which is fine with me, since I never listen to the dweeb anyways)

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

angryxer (14:18:47) : Oh Honey, I bat from the left side of the plate… like her, always did. 7 years is admirable… I did that… I also did 10 years. neither worked out and without any sort of marriage protections, I left with nothing both times. So, now that CT has made marriage laws equivalent, perhaps the third time will be the trick!

pssst Rachel, I’m free!

14 10 2008
Deb

“and also” I’m thinking with 7 other houses, what does Mrs. mccain need with OUR house?? she’d probably just look down her nose at it anyways

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

I would prefer to see Sarah enjoying employment at the Target/WalMart she brought to Wasilla. Maybe givin’ us a cart, also?

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Ripley… good grief… shameless behavior🙂 Good luck! rachel@msnbc.com 🙂 🙂

14 10 2008
MJC
14 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

GJ in Idaho said:
“I also watched a youtube bit a few weeks ago where the lady showing off the arena was so pleased that her church was also able to have meeting some place in the building. I ask the question then, but still haven’t gotten and answer, just which church would that be?”

Did we not also hear that Sarah’s church had taken over the Board of the hospital in which Trig was born. Now a church has a meeting place in the Arena. What is happening in Wasilla — more infiltration?

14 10 2008
angryxer

Wired Differently– thanks for spreading the word! One of the most bizarre things I heard about the Prop 8 vote was that support amongst younger voters, who are the most open-minded when it comes to diversity of all stripes, had recently turned in favour of Prop 8. What kind of Kool-Aid is being passed around?

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Ripley….. If I wasn’t……. male….. straight …….. or……married….. I’d give you a run for your money!!!!!

14 10 2008
angryxer

Ripley, likewise, I’m a purebred! Do we need to arm-wrestle for her? heh…

14 10 2008
Teresa

14 10 2008
PDX "That One" Hussein MB

Wired Differently: Re: Buckley resigning from NR and the hits he’s taking…

I sent Mr. Buckley (and his new BFF Kathleen Parker) a little note (maybe I should’ve included an invitation to Mudflats?):

I’m sorry you and Ms. Parker have taken such abuse at the hands of your fellow conservatives. It merely serves to illustrate why so many of us prefer the progressive side of life. Regardless of one’s opinion, one is always welcome to share in respectful, thoughtful, intelligent discussion.

*************
Angryxer: I have to admit it’s good to know that as a 49-ish, happily married straight mom, I’m in good company having a crush on Rachel… ; )

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

“Do we need to arm-wrestle for her? ”

heh, you wouldn’t say that if you saw my arms… haven’t lost yet! LOL

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

angryxer, it’s scary koolaid. And I don’t think what we are hearing honestly reflects how people really feel. I think it’s always been hard to push a diversity agenda, adding that gives some the sense that something will be taken away. We know that isn’t true, but it is useful to scare others with– it’s a matter of education and knowledge and we all can make a difference, so long as we keep talking. IMHO.
Off the soap box I go.

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

ok hahahah whalebone… very funny… I think we need a new thread…… this one’s gone!

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Ripley, I am a wimp, but I would like to be introduced as the matchmaker, OK? 🙂

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Whoever wins.. you heard it here first🙂

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

Froth Hussein Failin (14:39:17) : Sure… You can be my wingman, too… I’ll give you the cast offs. :))

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

BTW My wife and I have made a joint contribution to defeat Prop 8 in Cali!!!

14 10 2008
angryxer

I have to say, I love how many straight guys are into Maddow– there are so many truly despicable things written about her beneath almost any YouTube vid you pull up, it’s hugely encouraging to see the pro-Maddow opinions, men and women alike. I am greatly encouraged by all those who think smart is sexy, and that her looks ain’t too shabby either.

14 10 2008
PDX "That One" Hussein MB

angryxer: That didn’t come out right… I guess I meant it’s nice to know that both lesbians and straight women find RM attractive… I feel like I’m having a W moment, tripping all over myself… Good thing I’m among friends!

14 10 2008
14 10 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

@Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca (11:47:58) :

Photo claiming from 2008 with SP giving speech in front of 49 star US flag
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3820

Is this AIP connection?

AND @DrChill (12:44:48) :

AND LaNon (14:08:46) : and LaNon (14:12:18) :

That photo was actually from some other event and is a “shoutout” as it were to the fact that we’re celebrating 50 years of statehood this year (in fact, the event was prob. one starting our year of celebrating statehood). When we became a state the 49th star was added to the US flag. It’s legal to fly/display any past flag, so there are a number of places in AK that still fly the 49 star one (for instance in front of the Juneau Douglas City Museum, which is in the building in front of which the official first 49 star flag was raised). I wrote a long comment about this many threads ago, but in essence, new stars are only added to the flag on July 4 in a year when a new state is added. AK became a state on Jan. 3, 1959, so our star was added on July 4, 1959. Hawai’i became a state in August 1959, so the 49 star flag was the official flag for one year, and then the 50th star was added on July 4, 1960. Hope this helps.

@AlaskaGuy (11:57:20) :

A comment on one of the threads over at 538 went something like this:

What if Ted Stevens gets re-elected, and found guilty. (A distinct possibility.) His party would be forced to ask him to resign, (although I guess he wouldn’t have to, and he is a grumpy old bastard so might not). If he did would Palin replace him with herself?

Now I don’t know if in Alaska she can do that. It’s my understanding that when Frank Murkowski gave up his seat he replaced himself with his daughter, and the governor had nothing to do with it. Even if this is the case then Stevens could replace himself with Don Young or Sarah Palin, both equally scary thoughts.

What say Mudflatters?

After Frank appointed LIsa, we voted (in the same election where “we” elected her on her own) to change the way replacement senators would have to be selected. Now we have to have an election, so NO MORE appointing a replacement allowed! The timeframe of when a resignation occurs makes no difference.

14 10 2008
Lacy Lady

I just learned that Larry King will have Charles Barkley on his show tonight.
It should be a GOOD show!!!!!!!!!! Don’t think he will mince words!!!!

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

angryxer (14:41:08) :

…but what was with the “Pat” look on Leno??? Am I missing something???

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

You are too kind🙂
As thread degenerates to the level last night’s troll was upset about also.

I am also trying to use also in every sentence or so and it’s harder than it looks.

14 10 2008
angryxer

Ok, no fair, you people– no ganging up. Yes, I’m talking to you, Nebraska Native & Ripley…

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

You can gang up with us!

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

*averts eyes*

14 10 2008
angryxer

Lil’ Geese: Oooh, that’s harsh, invoking Pat. Actually, I do really really wish she’d get glasses with lighter frames, but I liked that she didn’t femme out for Leno. I’m gathering by your comment you haven’t seen any of the vids she did as part of her Air America show– if you go on YouTube, you’ll see its her usually dykey self look.

14 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Have to go do some constructive things… please do not let this thread degenerate to a non-cerebral level. Back later. Carry on! 🙂

14 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

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The whole idea here for all of us is to “Get By With a Little Help From My Friends” to call this amazing get together.

We are now up to 17 people who have checked in so far!

We could still easily fit 30-40 people in there if I have a head count by Wednesday night with maybe some final last additions to the head count up until NLT 5PM Thursday. This is to help their cook plan ahead for Friday night.

Anyone in the Greater Pittsburgh Area wishing to attend please contact me at HamletsMillMudFlats@gmail.com

And maybe a younger Joe Cocker is in order…NOW THAT…THIS IS ON!
(with homage to Irishman Henry McCullough on his Gold Body Gibson Les Paul !)

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOwl_APqVm4

And, hopefully, by the end of the evening Humphrey Bogart will speak for all of us!

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0_S2J9c2H4

14 10 2008
Sharon Hussein/CA

Some good news …….

Poll: Obama Opens 14-Point Lead On McCain
CBS News/New York Times Survey Shows Major Swing Among Independents, Suggests McCain’s Strategy May Be Hurting Him

Duh – do you think it could have anything to do with your running mate?

14 10 2008
angryxer

PDX “That One” Hussein MB @ (14:41:28) :

angryxer: That didn’t come out right… I guess I meant it’s nice to know that both lesbians and straight women find RM attractive… I feel like I’m having a W moment, tripping all over myself… Good thing I’m among friends!
__________

PDX: didn’t think you were tripping over yourself at all! your comments are greatly appreciated…

14 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Looking for the CNN video story on AIP? I just found it on Daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/14/151519/61/145/630389

14 10 2008
angryxer

Nebraska– right on, gang of three!

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

hahahah also, I have tried to keep my posts, also, like, on topic, also.

Like that? 🙂

14 10 2008
angryxer

Oh, and Lil’ Geese: thanks for the joint contribution!! Gives me hope…

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

My experience with her (visual) has been MSNBC only…. I’ll check out the others…. but that won’t change my oppinion of her…. RACHEL ROCKS!!!!!

14 10 2008
angryxer

I do like that, also.

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

Bec Hussein in Illinois (14:48:00) : Great find!!! NICE

14 10 2008
angryxer

Oh damn, have to go out. Life beyond Mudflats (what’s that again?) calls. Thanks, you excellent mudpuppies, for the conversation… a bientot

14 10 2008
Teresa

Someone posted on HP that CNN was trying to swift-boat and setting up O for tomorrows debate… surely O knows this right?
——
he posted…
“CNN just did a truly na-sty ACORN hit piece on Situation Room.

Obviously, CNN is com-plicit with the McCain-campaign in this as-sault on ACORN.

CNN is very clearly setting up a certain scenario, in order to give McCain am-muni-tion to corner Obama with this ACORN-mantra during the debate tomorrow.

I am a pro journalist. I know a rat, when I smell one. That’s how I earn my living.

CNN IS aiding McCain in building a tr-ap during the debate tomorrow – and the bait will be the alle-ged “ACORN vote fraud”.

This has been going on for days already, and has constantly been intensifying over the last days.

And today, CNN has finally sounded the signal for full att-ack.

This is a set up sc-am, to corner and disc-redit Barack Obama – the usual Rovian smear tactic: McCain is going to brand Obama guilty by association tomorrow night – and McCain will use tonight’s CNN-hit piece as proof for his allegh-ations.”

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Hi Nebraska, last night was kinda fun, also.

Ya know, Rachel is very attractive, also, even to straight boring old me, also.

I just like people with good brains, also.

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

OK, that’s it.

Also.

14 10 2008
angryxer

LOL, UK lady! –ok, I’m out of here. Also.

14 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein

I just saw the nasty piece about ACORN on Situation Room too, and IMO it is definitely the next Ayersesque tactic they are going to try to hammer home between now and the election. Mostly CNN just tortures me (also).

14 10 2008
More Light Than Heat

@angryXer
And Dobson’s FotF was/is a huge Prop 8 financier. I keep wondering if the cell phone only folks are being left out of the polling. Not many young people I know are concerned about same-sex marriages being any sort of threat — and a lot of us older folk agree!

There’s a part of me that’s really puzzled as to why they’d opt for THIS year to put it on the ballot, knowing that the youth vote is both heavily pro-Obama and far less homophobic. It just doesn’t seem like a strategic move.

Interesting comment, though, about Palin’s being the card that sewed up Dobson for McCain.

I’m hoping that the tone of his and her rallies last week presages the demise of the current incarnation of the GOP. That either the saner ones will reclaim the party or just leave it lock, stock and barrel (along with their money) and form something new. Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” was the beginning of this unholy alliance. It’s time for it to end as it was never sustainable over the long haul. Christopher Buckley’s comment about having been “fatwahed” by the National Review is a most interesting and telling choice of words. He’s by far not the first to make the comparison.

Anyone care to talk me down?

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Hey…. I like the relaxed Rachel!!!! And I’ve found and source of intellegent commentary!!!!

14 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing
14 10 2008
Deb

things that make me go “hmmmm”…
was I watching a different debate or did I see John McCain propose a spending “freeze””? so, today he’s proposing a $52.5 million dollar economic plan? I’m thinkin’ he’s learnin’ double-talk from SP, also, dontcha know? You betcha!

14 10 2008
upnorth minnesota aka hose Hussein hotrod

Give Obama and his team some credit. They’ll be ready for the ACORN attack and anything else thrown their way. All Barack has to do is point to JM’s own connection to Acorn. RELAX everyone. Give the calm and collected team that’s gotten us this far some credit. I don’t think there will be anything that catches Barack off-guard tomorrow night. As long as he stays his collected self all will be well. My two cents.

hose Hussein hotrod

P.S. looking forward to the live debate chat!!

14 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein

Thank you hose Hussein hotrod, I needed that. I cannot BELIEVE how much I care about this election.

14 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

CNN may be doing an ACORN story – but they at least also did the AIP story.

There is tape out there of McCain praising ACORN – so they can’t go too far. ACORN has been around for years and both parties have benefitted/suffered from their activities, as I understand it.

14 10 2008
Deb

I live up the road 60 miles from Focus and I can GUARANTEE that mccain choosing palin sealed the deal with dobson, et al!
That nice little christian “community” is a HUGE complex with it’s on tv/media studio, library, office building, oh….and of course the “church”, not to mention christian “camps” in several places…this complex is so big it has it’s own green exit sign off of interstate 25.

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Teresa

Take a big breath and don’t worry. At least 2 good reasons

1. Obama and his team are way ahead in the smarts department, smarter than Rove, McCain, Palin in fact all of them.

2. There are pictures and videos of McCain supporting Acorn himself.

14 10 2008
upnorth minnesota aka hose Hussein hotrod

Welcome, Kat! Nice to know you.

We all care unbelievably about this election. The best thing we can do is to emulate Barack and stay collected and determined. Keep working tirelessly for his campaign… Canvas – Call – Donate – Register Voters – Vote! Keep talking to friends and neighbors. Someone who may not have been “open” yesterday, may have seen the writing on the wall today. Sometimes it just takes one more McCain/Palin outrage to tip the scales/remove the scales. Not preaching…just encouraging. Amen.

hose Hussein hotrod

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

at Loves Wolves Hussein (15:04:22) :

I have the same feeling. I have NEVER before given so much of my time and energy into really getting into a campaign event. I wanted Gore to win badly, but I didn’t follow closely enough to get really torqued off. That came later once I learned how the election was stolen. Literally.

This time, I am trying to keep up with everything, and thanks to Mudflats, AKM, Rachel;) and all the lovely people who post instantaneous links here, I feel fully informed and ready to spread the word like never before.

14 10 2008
Deb

acorn is even less notable than the bill ayers story….americans worried about the economy could care less about EITHER

14 10 2008
LaNon

Mr Buckley recently inherited boo-coo bucks. He needs to properly provide for his child born outside of marriage and that kid’s mom. Wm Buckley left this third grandchild out of his will. This shows the avaricious, vicious side of his personality. (Someone up thread said: Bring Republican means never having to say you’re sorry. This little ditty certainly applies to the denial of this child.)

If Chris Buckley has any sort of “Come-to-Jesus” moment in his conversion to Barack Obama, if he GETS it at all, then he needs to make this right.

Not a new opinion, or unique opinion, but here it is again, “my friends.”

14 10 2008
YY

For your amusement via TPM.

14 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

The mud just keeps on slinging — this on HuffPo (sorry if duplicate – I tried to scan the thread) — this story surely would outdo their Ayers claims. Wouldn’t it? PLEASE? Where is reason?

McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

14 10 2008
YY

PalinAsPresident.com
http://palinaspresident.com/

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

>Deb (15:07:28) :

I live up the road 60 miles from Focus and I can GUARANTEE that mccain choosing palin sealed the deal with dobson, et al!
That nice little christian “community” is a HUGE complex with it’s on tv/media studio, library, office building, oh….and of course the “church”, not to mention christian “camps” in several places…this complex is so big it has it’s own green exit sign off of interstate 25.<

Dobson, et al., really anger and appall me (not to mention they’re scary).

14 10 2008
Bec Hussein in Illinois

Snip on the Saddam story:

William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein’s government.

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

More Light Than Heat (14:57:51) :

Have been wondering myself for a few weeks now if the Republican Party is moving towards a schism. It would seem to make sense at this point in time. There is a huge difference between the wingnuts and the more reasoned people of the GOP, I know, I know, but there are some.

14 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

love this.

14 10 2008
Trini

AKM, what happened to “Snap Shots”? Please, bring it back!

14 10 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN

There once was a man named mccain, who had the whole white house to gain, but he was quite a hobbyist of boning his lobbyist, so much for his 08 campaign.

14 10 2008
Deb

this just on MSN.com obama is advertising on video games! wow….what strategy! gotta love the forward thinking campaign

14 10 2008
LaNon

InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein (14:42:22) :

Photo claiming from 2008 with SP giving speech in front of 49 star US flag
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3820

Is this AIP connection?
AND LaNon (14:08:46) : and LaNon (14:12:18) :

That photo was actually from some other event and is a “shoutout” as it were to the fact that we’re celebrating 50 years of statehood this year (in fact, the event was prob. one starting our year of celebrating statehood).

———————————–
Thanks, Wrangler Tractor. It is a jarring image under the AIP circumstances, but your explanation is sound; others may exploit this picture. I lived in the 50th state for 15 years, now in Cali…appreciate your attention and comments as always. Best.

14 10 2008
LaNon

Deb (15:17:07) :

this just on MSN.com obama is advertising on video games! wow….what strategy! gotta love the forward thinking campaign

————————-
It pretty much started when the Facebook people got involved in seeding the Internet.
Yes, his campaign strategy is smart and now we see, effective! Very bold.

14 10 2008
Deb

buckley on chris matthews NOW

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Deb

Can you give us poor souls without the programme a heads up when you get a minute? TA!

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

I like this buckley.. how refreshing..

14 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein

Nice to know you too (also) Upnorth Minn and everyone else. I have been lurking since the beginning, just “came out” today. You all have been saving me and you didn’t even know it.

And Ripley, I, too (also) was very pro Al Gore but really nothing like this, maybe it’s because I’m older, or wiser, or poorer or all of the above but this time I feel almost desperate that we get this man into office.

14 10 2008
LaNon

Buckley & Matthews chatted about Buckley’s post on TheDailyBeast.com

He needs to cut the kid in on his inhertiance, regardless who he votes for.

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

Kat, don’t be aferd… we won’t bite.. jump in the deep end and have fun..!🙂

welcome to the loony bin.. !

14 10 2008
Whiskey Otter Hussein

I’m starting to really despise CNN. Why is this:
http://www.essence.com/news_entertainment/news/articles/mccainsupporterclearsair

one of the headlines, but the AIP story isn’t?

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Speaking as an olderish person, I am so impressed with the youth of the USA. One of the best stories so far is ‘the Great Schlep’, what grandparent could resist!

14 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

lovethecountry AKA Rust Mustang ‘THAT ONE HUSSEIN’ (13:30:33) :

Some great pictures of Obama & Biden since the DNC…It did bring me to tears

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/campaign-trail-pda-the-ob_n_134324.html

One comment on huff that I find was very interesting – Barack has found the father figure in Joe and Joe is actually treating Michelle like daughter-in-law and after reading the comment, I went and looked at pictures again and I could see some real love between these families..

Amazing feeling – I could feel the Good vibes coming from them

A picture paints a thousand words ……. makes you wonder how much the Obamas were hurting for Jill last week when her mother died and they had to keep the show on the road.

14 10 2008
Deb

he read obama’s booked and sensed a “first class mind”
said he wrote his opinion about obama on ANOTHER mags site so as not to embarrass …the NR
guess the NR got over 10,000 emails (nasty, hateful) after his article printed

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Welcome Kat…. now say something intellegent!!!!

14 10 2008
LaNon

Buckley is a RICH PRIVELEGED NY SNOB who didn’t have the BALLS to live right while Poppa was alive. Guilty until proven innocent, IMHO. He’s done the public attention thing, now he needs to synthesize this dip into liberalism into his daily life. HIS FAMILY put bad people into office. PERIOD. “Bright” and “charming” and “talented” as they are: A family of rich intellectual NY socialites.

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

Im a Redskins Fan, living in the DC burbs.. why is that donkey wearing a skins jersey..???? hmmmph

14 10 2008
Deb

he is actually “at peace” with where he is with his father….said his father, as writer, often allowed an ENCOURAGED dissenting opinions

(unlike the NR obviously) my comment, not his

14 10 2008
LaNon

Hi Newcomers
AKMudflats gives us a big tent.

May be good to skim back a bit (pick some juicy older topics to lurk around in) to become acculturated!

14 10 2008
LaNon

Deb (15:28:10) :

he is actually “at peace” with where he is with his father….said his father, as writer, often allowed an ENCOURAGED dissenting opinions

(unlike the NR obviously) my comment, not his

—————————————
as long as the bastard child was not brought up or in?
(best, as I hope you know)

He’s a cloistered rich kid raised in the shadow of VERY POWERFUL parents. He needs to prove his good sense to me. The Bucklies were famous for their charm and style and maybe Chris can bust through some of the BS. We’ll see. My jury’s out.

14 10 2008
Deb

LaNon….I am not saying everyone that decides to support obama is a “good guy” …I’m just pointing out that this writer (and he called himself a “hack writer)….chose to support obama….that, if nothing else, I can respect him for

14 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein

Marty I wasn’t afeared at all until Lil’ Geese Whalebone asked for something intelligent out of me.

14 10 2008
LaNon

A vote is a vote.
He counts for one.
He MAY be able to make a case for some borderline Repubs to switch, and that would be PART of his penance in my book.😉

14 10 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

@LaNon (15:18:45) :

You’re welcome! Hope you’re having a better day than we are. It’s POURING here and windy and ever so fall-like (like it’s been since spring, only worse!). Where in Cali? I lived in Davis for a while (miss the farmers’ market… ;( )

14 10 2008
LaNon

Deb; to be clear, I LOVE your posts and updates.
I’m opinionated and old and cranky.

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Kat – welcome, not sure what’s up with Lil Geese, did I miss something?

14 10 2008
Deb

la non- I believe there are plenty of mean, nasty, ugly rich people to go around
at this moment, I’m only interested in votes for obama…so we agree!

14 10 2008
Trini

Have no fears about the debate Mudflatters. This is a smart campaign. Smart, smart, smart. For instance: BO campaigning on video games while McIdiot doesn’t know how to E-MAIL!!!! Keep in mind also that the polls don’t reach those who operate on cell phones alone. Like many, I turned off my land line. There may be more blue in the red states than what we have heard!

My dream: Late election day, polls closed long ago. The pundits are whipping it up. Alaska returns come in……..Blue! AHHHH!!

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

>aNon (15:33:59) :

Deb; to be clear, I LOVE your posts and updates.
I’m opinionated and old and cranky.<

Hey, we love opinionated and cranky, don’t care if you’re old!

14 10 2008
LaNon

It’s pretty damn beautiful in Cali today.
Fire season.
As Anita Loos once described California.

If it’s not slipping and sliding it’s shaking and burning.

Did NorCal too…native Angeleno with side trips to Bay Area, and Hawaii, both for many years. Davis…great uni and nice area.

14 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

YY (15:12:14) :

PalinAsPresident.com
http://palinaspresident.com/

*****************

Thank you so much for this, I cried with laughter.

14 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein

UK Lady, a couple of posts up he welcomed me (thank you) and then said “now say something intelligent”. I’m thinking….

14 10 2008
Deb

no offense lanon- I tend to be opinionated myself (and a bit on the “old” side as well! teehee….I’m NEVER cranky (yeah, right!)

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Just Kiddin’ Kat ( ;

14 10 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

Ooo, are you in the middle of the fire region? If so, my apologies. Wish we could send some of our rain down there for you! I actually felt the Northridge earthquake in Davis!

14 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

holy crap.. .MSNBC just said in a brand new poll.. Obama 53% McCain 39%

whoohoo..

14 10 2008
LaNon

Oh, yeah, I’m in LA. This is our best time of year except for those fires…

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

I know, UK Lady….. that wasn’t in the Mudflats spirit…. Sorry….

14 10 2008
LaNon

It’s all a fire region, but we’ve been very very lucky.
Remember the fire-fighters!

14 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

@ YY (15:12:14) :

That is great !!! You didn’t mention that if you move your cursor around, things happen ! You can also click on many things, the curtains, pictures. Just move around the picture and keep clicking… Click on the door on the left side of the pic, click on the right flag pole. It’s a riot !!!

Here’s the link again: http://palinaspresident.com/

Thanks, YY

14 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein

Oh, I know Lil’ Geese, so was I.
I may have to adopt a policy of all MSNBC all the time, and no CNN, they are just making me crazy.

14 10 2008
Deb

I’m not much of a mathematician, but I LOVE going to realclearpolitics.com and seeing that poll average graph with the blue line SHOOTING up and the red line going DOWN!! if I had the tech savvy I would copy and paste it here!

14 10 2008
Deb

thanks red! I didn’t try that…I’m going back to PLAY in sp’s oval office!

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Oh my gawd, just looked at the PalinasPresident site. What a crack, only thing I would have changed, the globe just spinned around, it should have flattened itself!

14 10 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN

Sarah, you got some splainin’ to do.

14 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Redwood Man – Santa Cruz, CA (15:39:41) :

@ YY (15:12:14) :

That is great !!! You didn’t mention that if you move your cursor around, things happen ! You can also click on many things, the curtains, pictures. Just move around the picture and keep clicking… Click on the door on the left side of the pic, click on the right flag pole. It’s a riot !!!

Here’s the link again: http://palinaspresident.com/

Thanks, YY
——————————————-
Click on the phone…

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Nucular fallout if you press on the red phone, also!

14 10 2008
deb2012 "voting for that one"

I just got this email

PBS has an online poll posted asking if Sarah Palin is qualified. Apparently the right wing knew about this in advance and are flooding the voting with YES votes.

The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up by mainstream media. It can influence undecided voters in swing states.

Please do two things — takes 20 seconds.

1) Click on link and vote yourself.

Here’s the link: (I opened it, it’s legit)

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

14 10 2008
Connie in Colorado

The news is spreading…

Yahoo! News has a story under its election section entitled “Palin has checkered history on ethics issues.”

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

We’re BAD!!!!!

14 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

Click on the laptop screen too. Open the shades on the windows, click on the windows, too many things to mention — just fool around with it.

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin
14 10 2008
Deb

I don’t know if this has been mentioned here…but everytime I see/hear something about the “bradley effect”, I keep thinking this time it’s going to be the “mccain/palin” effect…i.e. lots on the right will not admit that they go in and vote DEM

14 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh
14 10 2008
Deb

oh, also then, ……I think after this election “maverick” will be a dirty word! doggone it!

14 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein

OK, just played in SP’s oval office (I know very scary) but it was a hoot. Oil derricks out the window, a T Rex walking by, one diploma and four empty frames, potential baby names on the wall.

14 10 2008
enjay AKA Turbine Yukon

Off Topic ~
Anyone know where I can find figures of what is paid INTO the US Treasury — via Taxes / Fee’s / etc.

I know they talk about the 10.3 Trillion (10,300,000,000,000.) and GNP – but what does the Government actually TAKE IN ???

Guess I am looking to see what kind of “Ratio” debt vs assets & income the US has.

14 10 2008
Trini

Can you find the pit bull in SWWNBN oval office? Try the desk.

14 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

@Deb

I was wondering about that too. In fact, in some of the primaries, that did happen in several southern states — the polls showed much higher for McCain than the actual voting did.

14 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Oh, click on the desk on the left to the right of the trashcan – took me awhile to find that one.

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

I just opened the door 3 times….. poor Bambi!!!!!

14 10 2008
Tom from PA

I wonder how much revenue the RNC could generate by putting the 70 page vetting questionaire that SP completed on Ebay.

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

Did you find the pitbull in lipstick in the desk. When you open the main door it changes, you can open and close it about 4 times I think. This is going in the favourites!

14 10 2008
enjay AKA Turbine Yukon

McC has a “transition team” Oh my – he is counting his chickens before the vote is in

14 10 2008
UK lady turning turtle Palinps

The only thing McCain will have to do with poultry after the election is egg on his face!!

14 10 2008
YY

Click on the Red Phone.

14 10 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN

President Palin’s Inaugural Address from 236.com.

http://www.236.com/blog/w/scan_carman/president_palins_
inaugural_add_9463.php?pri…

14 10 2008
Independent in AZ

YY…website is really funny….wow.

palinaspresident.com.

loved the empty diploma frames and the comments when you pass your cursor over…

phone is pretty good also.. thanks for sharing!

14 10 2008
Tom from PA

By the way anew CBS News?NY Times poll has a +14 for Obama/Palin. That is the 2nd highest differential in this entire campaign. The highest was a +15 in a 6/23 Newsweek poll.

14 10 2008
Deb

one more thing before I head out for a bit…did everyone see the results of the scholastic’s kid poll?
the kids have selected all winning presidents (except 2) for the past 40 years!
(drum roll) this year they picked OBAMA!

14 10 2008
AKaurora

LaNon, clarification of AK and HI statehood. Congress passed the Alaska Statehood Act June 30, 1958 and Pres Eisenhower signed it a week later, allowing Alaska to become a state on Jan 3, 1959. This made way for Hawaii’s statehood act passed Mar 12, 1959 and entrance as the 50th state on Aug 21, 1959. So for a brief while we had a 49-star flag. I still have one the former Anchorage Times sold for something like $3.99 in 1958.

14 10 2008
MJC

Hi Teresa,

I have made a conscious decision to turn off CNN when LOU DOBB comes on. I hope his viewership drops dramatcially!

I love watching Rick Sanchez, AC360, and Larry King.

14 10 2008
Deb

enjay-I heard on the news this week, obama has a transition team also…..there is LOTS to be done after nov 4, for the winner

14 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

So far the mini mudfest in Pittsburgh that HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin has organized for this Friday night has at least a dozen mudflatters confirmed. Thanks again HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin for organizing this. Guess this makes him one of those community organizers we hear so much about.

14 10 2008
Teresa

Thanks UK Lady🙂
… you guys are my “sanity” rocks!!
I don’t trust the GOP and get paranoid sometimes,
I love seeing these polls, but….

14 10 2008
Kat Loves Wolves Hussein

KO on now, mentioned Troopergate Jr. Yay!

14 10 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN

Sorry, can’t get the link to work.

14 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Forty Watt Hussein (12:51:38) :

I seem to have become a persona non grata. Just testing to see if this posts. If it does, there’s a interesting article on Huffpo re. McCain’s transition chief and links to Sadaam.
++++++++++
Agreed. A real terrorist link for Old John.

JustMe posted the link in the first post on this thread.

14 10 2008
MJC

The Polls at 538 are more balanced and reliable. They show Obama with an 8 point lead, but still climbing almost daily now.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

14 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

I’m going to relax with KO…. Seeyalater!!!!

14 10 2008
C.Rock

NEW THREAD

14 10 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN

Deb (15:40:30) :

I’m not much of a mathematician, but I LOVE going to realclearpolitics.com and seeing that poll average graph with the blue line SHOOTING up and the red line going DOWN!! if I had the tech savvy I would copy and paste it here!
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Here is the link.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

14 10 2008
MJC

Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca,

Many of my post’s end up in spam too. I’m sure it’s not personal. I’ve been posting since August 29th.

I’ve noticed that most of the MSM has yet to pick up on McCain’s Transition Chief or Sarah’s affiliation with the AIP. I think they are scared of McCain, or how he will treat them if he were to win the election. Just my thoughts.

14 10 2008
kate aka chin duststrap

watched the CNN report on youtube. That speech is pretty damning. She is so obviously a political opportunist.

CNN has the map looking bleak for McCain. McCain is trying to preserve states Bush won…wish the election were tomorrow! Of course I would get off the couch at night and stop watching political shows. I am going to have severe withdrawal symptoms.

14 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Ok. PalinAsPresident.com is worth showing the kids. Mine and neighbor’s hooted.
Like the politic for dummies. Only she is obviously pretty good at politics, just not good at policy, ethics, and leadership.

14 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open In Pittsburgh

Tom , are you in Western PA?

14 10 2008
ira2

Deb (15:51:31) :

oh, also then, ……I think after this election “maverick” will be a dirty word! doggone it!

As also too it well should be. A maverick is full of bullshit by nature. You betcha, also.

14 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

enjay AKA Turbine Yukon (15:52:35) :

Off Topic ~
Anyone know where I can find figures of what is paid INTO the US Treasury — via Taxes / Fee’s / etc.

I know they talk about the 10.3 Trillion (10,300,000,000,000.) and GNP – but what does the Government actually TAKE IN ???

Guess I am looking to see what kind of “Ratio” debt vs assets & income the US has.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

If helpful . . .
“This dataset explores the U.S.Census data on State Government Tax Collections (STC) for the year 2007, by state and type of tax. The State Government Tax Collections (STC) report lists the various taxes collected by each state. The tables and data files show the tax revenues collected on a state by state basis.”
http://finder.geocommons.com/overlays/1113

14 10 2008
MJC

NEW THREAD ALERT!
NEW THREAD ALERT!

14 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

$250 limit for gifts… hmmm… so, how can this be tied in to the house on the lake?

Well, for starters, a house that size would take 4 – 6 months to build using full-time labor. My guess is that the cost or value of Todd Palin’s “buddies” to fully build that house is somewhat greater than $250.

Nailin’ Palin, a new porno movie coming out. – Jay Leno

Jailin’ Palin, a new movie about Palin’s life. unattributed.

14 10 2008
LaNon

AKaurora (15:59:50) :

LaNon, clarification of AK and HI statehood. Congress passed the Alaska Statehood Act June 30, 1958 and Pres Eisenhower signed it a week later, allowing Alaska to become a state on Jan 3, 1959. This made way for Hawaii’s statehood act passed Mar 12, 1959 and entrance as the 50th state on Aug 21, 1959. So for a brief while we had a 49-star flag. I still have one the former Anchorage Times sold for something like $3.99 in 1958.
——————-
A great famly collectable. In Hawaii, the unofficial local story is that after AK was admitted to Union the US Senate needed Hawaii a Democratic state!

14 10 2008
angelica58

Hey Mudflats…been reading you for about a month and totally digging your posts…often wish there was more!!! Sending you this link out from my way – california….the CNN/Sanchez report 10.14

CNN on Palin’s Membership in the Anti-American Radical Group AIP

15 10 2008
trulee

Who built the Palin’s house? Were any of the Dude’s “contractor pals” also under contract to perform work for the city of Wasilla? How many months before work started on the Palin’s house did the city of Wasilla eliminate the requirement of filing construction plans with the city?

15 10 2008
A Nana from Alaska

First, Sen. Stevens claims: “My wife handled everything. I knew nothing.”

Then Sen. Stevens asserts: “Communications between marriage partners is privileged information and shouldn’t be brought before the court.”

It seems if one brings up the subject in court, the follow-up is fair and square.

15 10 2008
Lee

Hi, Canadian Neighbor.

If you buzz up an article on the Huff Post it will go MSM if enough people do it. It is like diggs. I use both.




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