Walt Monegan and the Other Ex-Commissioner of Public Safety.

13 10 2008

In the media circus, and legislative frenzy of the Troopergate investigation, and the release of the Branchflower Report, it’s good to hear from former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan himself.

“I’ve never contested my firing. My firing was completely lawful,” Monegan said in a nationally broadcast interview. “It wasn’t that I was fired that I asked any questions. It was, what were the reasons for the firing.”

Monegan declined to say in an interview with NBC’s “Today” show what legal options, if any, he might be exploring in the wake of the findings announced late Friday in Alaska by investigator Stephen Branchflower.

Monegan did say that he and his family were pleased with the report’s conclusions.

“Actually, I feel relieved,” he said. “My wife and I have been through a lot. It’s not a matter of being revenged. It’s just strictly a matter of being relieved.” Monegan was interviewed by telephone from Alaska.

In his report Friday to a bipartisan panel that looked into the matter, Branchflower found Palin in violation of a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain. Palin has said that Monegan’s tenure as the state’s lead law enforcement officer ended because of policy differences.

The inquiry looked into the dismissal of Monegan, who said he lost his job because he resisted pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce and custody battle with the governor’s sister.

“I feel vindicated,” Monegan had said late Friday. “It sounds like they’ve validated my belief and opinions. And that tells me I’m not totally out in left field.”

On Monday, Monegan said the controversy “really isn’t about me.”

“I think that we’re more concerned about our governor,” he added, “and I think she took a big blow to her credibility and more significantly to her promises of being open and transparent.”

Asked how he planned to vote in the November elections, Monegan said he didn’t want to say, telling his interviewer that’s why they “put those little curtains around” the polling booth.

Most would agree that Monegan is truly a class act. And the story of who Sarah Palin chose to replace him is one I covered quite a bit before Sarah’s VP nod. Chuck Kopp stepped into the very big shoes of Walt Monegan, and remained there for two whole weeks before slinking away with a $10,000 severance check, embroiled in a sexual harassment scandal. He wasn’t properly vetted. Is anyone surprised?

Aside from what it says about Sarah and Todd Palin, the Trooper-Gate report also appears to paint Mike Tibbles — the governor’s former chief of staff, who’s now running Ted Stevens’ Senate re-election campaign — as shockingly incompetent. And that’s the best case scenario for Sarah Palin.

To explain: Steve Branchflower writes on page 113 of the report that Walt Monegan told him about a conversation between Monegan and Tibbles, shortly after Palin was inaugurated as governor in January 2007. According to Monegan, Tibbles asked Monegan to consider hiring Chuck Kopp, formerly the police chief of Kenai, for a job in the public safety department.

As a result, said Monegan, he met with Kopp. When Monegan asked Kopp whether there was anything in Kopp’s background that Monegan should be aware of before hiring him, Kopp revealed that, as Kenai police chief, he had been reprimanded over a sexual harassment allegation, though he maintained that it was bogus.

Monegan told Branchflower that the next day, he talked to Tibbles. “I disclosed what Chuck had told me,” said Monegan. Tibbles responded that, in that case, they had “better steer clear from [Kopp] for a while.”

If by “steer clear,” Tibbles meant “Hire him to be the head of the Department of Public Safety for the State of Alaska, then they stuck to the plan.

Just two weeks later, Branchflower writes, Kopp resigned the post, when the sexual harrassment reprimand surfaced. Adds Branchflower: “Apparently, that was a fact that the governor’s office did not know about when Mr. Kopp was offered the commissioner’s job.”

Indeed, at the time, the governor’s office said publicly that at the time Kopp was hired, the governor knew of the allegation but understood it to be baseless, and was unaware of the letter of reprimand.

But the report suggests that Tibbles — who, just four days before Kopp’s hiring, was announced as Stevens’ campaign manager — did know about the reprimand, because Monegan had told him about it back in January 2007.

In other words, if Branchflower is correct, Tibbles failed to pass on to his colleagues in the governor’s office his knowledge of Kopp’s reprimand, setting them up to hire, for a high-profile position, a man with a significant black mark on his record.

It’s also possible, of course, that Branchflower has erred in writing that the governor’s office didn’t know about Kopp’s reprimand when it hired him. Perhaps Tibbles did pass along the information, but Palin and her aides, in their haste to find a replacement for Monegan, decided to overlook it and hire Kopp anyway, trusting that the issue would not resurface.

So either Palin’s chief of staff was jaw-droppingly incompetent, or she knowingly hired as the state’s top law enforcement official a man who had been reprimanded for sexual harassment, then lied to the press about it.

And when Chuck Kopp resigned his post, what did he have to say for himself? How did he apologize to the people of Alaska? “The recent media firestorm has been detrimental to the Department of Public Safety mission, the citizens of Alaska and my family,” Kopp said. “While I have been portrayed in a negative light, my personal worth is now in the person of Jesus Christ.”

A big slab of “blame the media” with a side helping of Jesus Christ. All because of a vetting problem.

So, was it:

a) incompetence

b) bad judgment followed by a cover-up

c) a and b

Have we taken this quiz before?


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218 responses

13 10 2008
futurexpat?

I vote for a and b!

13 10 2008
Marilyn in Connecticut AKA Hose Hotrod Palin

Monegan for Governor!

13 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

I vote c)

What is it with this rash of not vetting people. Gosh, darn, hadn’t they figured out yet that it always comes back to bite them in the a$$?

And that Jesus Christ comment – too weird!

Me too, Monegan for Governor!

13 10 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

Top ten! Now going back to read.

13 10 2008
Pepper

Interesting that all of the people from the McCain campaign keep saying that the committee was partisan…but then they keep saying Barack will raise taxes, cha, cha, cha.

13 10 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

I vote for c).

13 10 2008
Lana, KY

SARAH & TODD PALIN = THE GIFT THAT JUST KEEPS GIVING !

13 10 2008
Khaki Salmon Hussein Palin aka GA Obama Mama

Definitely c!!!

LOL – Have we taken this quiz before?

13 10 2008
Deep Blue in VA

You just can’t make this stuff up. Our country will never live it down if we put Sarah Palin in the VP office.

13 10 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN

I still say what I said on the other thread. Walt & Gara should
be in public office for the state of Alaska. Just curious, what
happened to the blogger’s choice award button? If the voting
is over, I hope that AKM won.

13 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

I vote C. Les Gara for Governor, Walt Monegan for Lt. Governaor.

13 10 2008
Lulu

Fantastic post, AKM. Thanks for continuing to bring us the truth about Alaskans serving the great state of Alaska (warts and all, in Palin’s case…)

13 10 2008
Political Amazon

[[[So, was it:

a) incompetence

b) bad judgment followed by a cover-up

c) a and b

Have we taken this quiz before?]]]

———

I pick:

d) Putting cronyism ahead of the best interests of the Alaskan people.

Putting Kopp in charge of the Department of Public Safety for the State of Alaska is no better than Bush Jr. puttig Michael Brown in charge of FEMA.

According to the Alaska State website:

“The Department of Public Safety (DPS) is the state agency charged with providing functions relative to the protection of life, property and wildlife resources. Department members enforce criminal laws, traffic laws and regulations, wildlife laws and regulations, fire laws and regulations, and are additionally responsible for a number of public safety related functions such as search and rescue, court services and criminal justice records…..Unlike similar agencies in many other states, Alaska’s DPS is the primary law enforcement and public safety organization for most of the vast geographic area of the state.”

Alaska is very lucky that a law-enforcement crisis did not occur under Kopp’s time as head of the DPS. We all vividly recall the horror Bush Jr’s cronyism released on the citizens of New Orleans and other parts of the Gulf Coast. One of those Crony-Fed Disasters a century is more than enough.

13 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

OMG she’s here now! booooo

Live feed: http://www.nbc12.com/

13 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

“Redwood Man – Santa Cruz, CA (10:30:17) :

I vote C. Les Gara for Governor, Walt Monegan for Lt. Governor.”
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That sounds good, too!

13 10 2008
Forty Watt Hussein

“….my personal worth is now in the person of Jesus Christ.”

I don’t even know what that means. Maybe he’s speaking in tongues…?

13 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Levi & Bristol both dropouts. The writing is on the wall of what the baby’s future will be.

Wonder which “Palin” friend she forced to give Levi a job?

13 10 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

@Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL HUSSEIN (10:29:30)

The Blogger’s Choice Award button is still there, just above the map in the right margin.

13 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

all I want to know is when the lawsuits are going to start. Hello, Alaskans? Tick tock.

13 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

It’s always the same, isn’t it, when positions are filled by “who you are’ rather than “what you are.”

A roaring C.) both a and b.

13 10 2008
Lulu

Ripley wrote: “all I want to know is when the lawsuits are going to start. Hello, Alaskans? Tick tock.”

Me, too, Ripley. I second that.

Defamation of character, slander, libel, harassment: those are just some that individuals involved could do…Impeachment & recall await the collective group of concerned Alaskans!

Seek justice!

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Interesting article on First Dud from Canada’s Globe & Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081010.CAMPAIGNPALIN10/TPStory/International

13 10 2008
Ennealogic aka PumpBustHussein

Funny how if you “sin” all you have to do is wrap yourself in Jesus and that’s supposed to make it okay. True humility and repentance is admirable. Using one of God’s names in vain to rehabilitate a political image is abhorrent.

13 10 2008
Lee

Well, Well, it just get’s deeper and deeper. We need hip waders.

This is the first time in the history of our country when we have a presidential and vice presidential candidate that both have ethics violations.

And they are both hideing behind their christian churches. No surprise there.

The surprise to me, is that there are supposed men of God, out there falling for it.

13 10 2008
GJ in Idaho

AKM, How do you ever get any sleep or chores done? You are simply the best blogger in America, I don’t care what that poll says. I voted btw, so hope you win, but even if you don’t the whole world now knows where Mudflats is just look at that map. Cheers and more Cheers to AKM and all mudpuppies.

13 10 2008
Let'sGetReal for "That One"

Lee (10:51:09) :

Well, Well, it just get’s deeper and deeper. We need hip waders.

This is the first time in the history of our country when we have a presidential and vice presidential candidate that both have ethics violations.

And they are both hideing behind their christian churches. No surprise there.

The surprise to me, is that there are supposed men of God, out there falling for it.

2nd Peter explains it very well in regards to the supposed men of God, especially the Pastors, Ministers, Preachers, Bishops, and etc.

13 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

It’s like a skip in a record that gets played over and over. Make it stop, dear god, make it stop!

P.S. I third the motion of C. Les Gara for Governor and Walt Monegan for Lt. Governor. Motion passed!

13 10 2008
Epic

I’m still voting for Brian

13 10 2008
Epic

Brian passes motions all the time

13 10 2008
Lulu

GJ in Idaho (10:55:22) wrote: “AKM, How do you ever get any sleep or chores done? You are simply the best blogger in America, I don’t care what that poll says. I voted btw, so hope you win, but even if you don’t the whole world now knows where Mudflats is just look at that map. Cheers and more Cheers to AKM and all mudpuppies.”

I agree. AKM, thank you! You are the best!

13 10 2008
ds55

“Even Gov. Charlie Crist, who helped deliver Florida for McCain during the primary, said he will spend the final weeks before Election Day minding the state’s weak economy rather than campaigning for the Arizona senator.”

SOURCE: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/722731.html

This is bad news for McCain. Yay, us!

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

another interesting story re Discrimination of Native Alaskans

news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=721a75d018affa9e70bf9e6150a1c906

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin
13 10 2008
Vise Peeper Palin or That One

I vote for C with a strong helping of D just plain stupid people.

13 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

I third the fact that AKM is the best. This blog has really helped keep me sane ever since I found it. I voted it the best political blog, and I never vote for those kind of things.

Kudos, to you. Maybe Gov. Garas and Lt. Gov. Monegan can find a spot for you on their cabinet.

13 10 2008
lemonfair

When is the MSM going to give this report its? This isn’t a “rumor,” this is a report that says that the person running for vice president has been found, by a majority of her own party in the Legislative Council, to have abused her power as Governor. No, it’s not the economy, but yes, it’s relevant.

13 10 2008
Lulu

Off Topic:

Got this from a HuffPo comment, seems legit:

To protest Sarah Palin’s appearance on SNL on 10/25, you may e-mail producer Lorne Michaels: lorne@lornemichaels.com.

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

I don’t know when this was, but it was First Dud out campaigning on his own.

PALMYRA (NEWS CENTER) — Todd Palin, the husband of Republican Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin, is in Maine this weekend.

Todd Palin stopped for a brief meet and greet in Palmyra on Saturday. The Moosehead Trading Post hosted the back-yard barbeque style event.

The self-described “first dude” of Alaska is in Maine to help the Republican party win Maine’s 2nd congressional district in the presidential election and split the state’s electoral votes.

Supporters at the event listened to Palin give a brief speech, during which he appealed to the interests of rural Maine outdoorsmen by mentioning the National Rifle Association’s recent endorsement of the McCain-Palin ticket.

“It shows that they know that the McCain-Palin ticket is going to support the outdoorsman,” Palin said. “You know Sarah and I are very active outdoors with hunting so that’s a great endorsement.”

Palin also said his wife and Senator McCain would lower taxes and “put government back in the people’s hands.”

Todd Palin is expected to appear at a similar event in Presque Isle Sunday.

NEWS CENTER

13 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Thanks LuLu .. I just shot off my email!!! Somewhere George Carlin is turning in his grave!!

13 10 2008
votepalin

I Vote C.

There is a pattern of action, reaction, denial, and anger throughout the Branchflower Report. They’re just not firing on all pistons in that office.

Regarding Todd’s appearance in Maine, just make sure everyone properly tarps their loads to the dump!

13 10 2008
Epic

“Palin also said his wife and Senator McCain would lower taxes and “put government back in the people’s hands.”

With a 17% chance of taking Florida and a 6.5% chance of taking the election
I think this falls into the ‘whistling past the graveyard’ section of the show.

13 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

wait…*cartoon sound of shock*

Did the first Dud put together two complete sentences, without saying “also” or “golly”?

13 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

OT

Carl Bernstein just picked up the Liddy story on Huffpo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/ayers-and-the-mccain-g-go_b_134256.html

13 10 2008
Peggno in SoCal aka Seagull Junker

CNN is currently explaining the whole sordid mess to those of us from ‘Outside’. My favorite: comparing Todd Palin’s request to meet with Monegan to what it would’ve been like if, right after Bill Clinton was elected, the Attorney General got a call that Hillary wanted to meet with him! Next, they’re going to discuss the ‘illegal’ moose kill. This is at 12:20 PM Los Angeles time.

13 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Ah, how I loooooove Tina Fey:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/tina-fey-on-sarah-palin-i_n_134188.html

In fact, if John McCain substituted her for Palin, I think that might help out his campaign.

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Yet another article in the LA Times yesterday re First Dud

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-todd12-2008oct12,0,6624850.story

13 10 2008
pacificnwgal

What does this say about Sarah Palin?

a) her big sense of entitlement (i.e. she can do whatever she wants to)

b) her inability to handle an office as important as the governor of Alaska (VP would be an utter disaster)

c) she does not have a clue how to hire qualified people (cronysism is the standard here)

d) she does not pay attention to her job (i.e works from home, trusts incompetent staff, sets her own personal agenda for the state policies)

e) she will lie whenever is suits her

Utterly unbelieveable! Also, the level of Todd’s involvement may be illegal. I think that the legislative council brought up the confidentiality of records in their report as related to Sarah. But, what about Todd? He had no busy with personnel records and confidenital information. He had no official role. This is scarey. Talk about protecting Alaska from the Russians and Putin who may “rear his head.” Ha! Sarah has no sense of confidentiality at all. I would feel very unsafe living in Alaska under her leadership.

Monegan says this isn’t about him. He is being too, too kind. He did not deserve this and should sue both the state and the Palins personally. It is both about what is fair to him, and what is right to protect the citizens of Alaska. This situation could be used to change policy to provide better protections of Alaskans employees and citizens if this were handled right.

13 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Ahhhh, I love me some Tina Fey. In fact, John should put her on his ticket and ditch Palin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/tina-fey-on-sarah-palin-i_n_134188.html

13 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Vlad “You know Sarah and I are very active outdoors with hunting so that’s a great endorsement.”

That crew would also like to know about their active indoor pursuits, as well, I bet.

13 10 2008
akhomesteader

Palin herself was notified BEFORE the appointment of Chuck Kopp by the victim of the sexual harrassment. The victim told Palin exactly what happened and about the resulting reprimand of Chuck Kopp. Palin knew, and still hired Kopp. Then lied about knowing. hmmm.

13 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Also, an interesting note from the MN Senate Race. I have heard Norm Coleman (incumbent, R.) invoke Obama’s name twice, but he’s never mentioned McCain, and he didn’t go to McCain’s rally. The other thing Coleman is stressing is bipartisan agreement.

Hahahahahaha! I can’t wait until he’s gone.

13 10 2008
OFFICIALLY

Before I cast a vote I would like to know the answer to two questions.

1) Are we sure Kopp was not considered for Monegans job when Palin was putting her cabinet together? I understood that Kopp was considered for the position initially but the “letter” was still in his file….so the selection went to Monegan.

2) EXACTLY when was Kopp’s letter of reprimand removed from his file?

13 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

That crew would also like to know about their active indoor pursuits, as well, I bet.
_______________________________________________________________________

EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
I just vomited in my mouth!

13 10 2008
jwa-Cheney Hussein Palin

Walt Monegan is a great guy and should be put back in the job he is so good at – Commissioner of Public Safety

But I still want to know the big question – is the MSM going to give the fact that Palin abused her power as governor any traction??

DOES THIS MEAN NOTHING to the question of how she would act on the national level??

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

http://www.alaskahockeymomsforobama.com/wp-content/uploads/todd_palin_letter.pdf

now this is one funny (and actual) letter to First Dud from his union.

13 10 2008
MJC

WOW! Obama has just came out with some bold new economic proposals!

One of them is to allow poeple to take up to $10,000 out of their retirement accounts with no penalties between now and the end of 2009!

I could use that money to pay off a majority of my debt. Then I might be able to afford some health insurance coverage for myself. I am very excited about this and his other proposals!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/obama-calls-for-90-day-mo_n_134237.html

13 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

Canadian Neighbour (10:37:51) :

Levi & Bristol both dropouts. The writing is on the wall of what the baby’s future will be.

I wonder who’s paying for his blackberry?

13 10 2008
Lulu

asianHusseingrrl”that one”MN (11:27:46) wrote :
“Also, an interesting note from the MN Senate Race. I have heard Norm Coleman (incumbent, R.) invoke Obama’s name twice, but he’s never mentioned McCain, and he didn’t go to McCain’s rally. The other thing Coleman is stressing is bipartisan agreement. Hahahahahaha! I can’t wait until he’s gone.”

I sure hope Al Franken wins!!!!!! It would be great to have Obama as President and Al Franken as a new Senator. They are both so brilliant.

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

http://www.wikiality.com/Mrs._Todd_Palin

Time for a good dose of laughter. The above site is “wiliality – the truthiness encyclopedia of Stephen Colbert’s. You’ll love his take on Sarah and scroll down to the altered picture of the movie poster for “Juno”.

13 10 2008
Regi

There should be little disclaimers following Palin around everywhere.

I told them THANKS BUT NO THANKS

But kept the money

I STOOD UP TO MY PARTY

If I wanted their job or they didn’t give me my way

I VALUE A CULTURE OF LIFE

except for wolves, polar bears, liberals, and people I don’t recognize as human, why are that they color anyway?

13 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Lulu, I am not happy with Franken’s campaign, either, but I do think he’ll be a better senator than Snakeoil Seller Norm Coleman. Plus, a friend of mine pointed out that Coleman’s teeth are weird-looking (too white and capped), and now it’s all I can see when I watch him talk.

13 10 2008
Political Amazon

[[Funny how if you “sin” all you have to do is wrap yourself in Jesus and that’s supposed to make it okay. True humility and repentance is admirable. Using one of God’s names in vain to rehabilitate a political image is abhorrent….]]]]

Soon after Ronald Reagan bent knee to the religious right to get elected, thus creating a monster of leviathan proportions, Republican politcans discovered that the religious right voters are extremely gullible and will excuse almost anyhing if you claim you found Jesus and are born again.

In fact, some of the criminals in the Nixon and Reagan administrations used this tactic to rehabiltate themselves and they are doing just fine now. Two of the worst were Charles Colson and Oliver North.

I can find nothing more heinously blasphemous than pimping Christ for political brownie points, yet there is a large faction of the GOP that does it nearly 24/7. And the GOP’s religious right voters just gobble it up as if it were cotton candy.

13 10 2008
Halcrow

Todd Palin barnstorming

The “swing” through Maine & Minnesota seem to be more concerned with snowmachine sponsorship that with politicking, and you have to wonder if he’s double-dipping again (GOP and the company who provides his machines)

“Todd Palin, right, husband of Republican vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, signs autographs with professional snowmobile partner Scott Davis at a group autograph event at the Hays Days Grass Drags snowmobile event in Forest Lake, Minn. Saturday Sept. 6, 2008. Palin, a professional racer, is the defending, with Davis, and four-time champion of the 1,971 mile Iron Dog snowmobile race while Davis is a seven-time champion in his home state of Alaska.

…John McCain’s Minnesota campaign says Todd Palin is expected to speak with voters and outdoors enthusiasts in Duluth, Grand Rapids and Bemidji on Thursday. He’ll then visit Thief River Falls and Moorhead on Friday.

Palin will tour the state with his snowmobile racing partner Scott Davis, who’s a native of Grand Rapids…” http://www.startribune.com

13 10 2008
Halcrow

Todd Palin barnstorming

The “swing” through Maine & Minnesota seem to be more concerned with snowmachine sponsorship that with politicking, and you have to wonder if he’s double-dipping again (GOP and the company who provides his machines)

“Todd Palin, right, husband of Republican vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, signs autographs with professional snowmobile partner Scott Davis at a group autograph event at the Hays Days Grass Drags snowmobile event in Forest Lake, Minn. Saturday Sept. 6, 2008. Palin, a professional racer, is the defending, with Davis, and four-time champion of the 1,971 mile Iron Dog snowmobile race while Davis is a seven-time champion in his home state of Alaska.

…John McCain’s Minnesota campaign says Todd Palin is expected to speak with voters and outdoors enthusiasts in Duluth, Grand Rapids and Bemidji on Thursday. He’ll then visit Thief River Falls and Moorhead on Friday.

Palin will tour the state with his snowmobile racing partner Scott Davis, who’s a native of Grand Rapids…” startribune.com

13 10 2008
Political Amazon

About Franken…I just can’t get beyond the fact that Franken is good friends with G. Gordon LIddy and, in fact, Franken has been on Liddy’s show, and Liddy has been on Franken’s show.

I think Franken will quickly become like Joe Lieberman.

13 10 2008
Regi

MJC (11:33:41) :

WOW! Obama has just came out with some bold new economic proposals!

One of them is to allow poeple to take up to $10,000 out of their retirement accounts with no penalties between now and the end of 2009!

I could use that money to pay off a majority of my debt. Then I might be able to afford some health insurance coverage for myself. I am very excited about this and his other proposals!

I thought McCain was coming out with the big new plan today. Shocking.

13 10 2008
Martha Toon

My letter to the (no longer MY) governor:

To: governor@gov.state.ak.us
Subject: Ms Palin, you no longer speak for this Alaskan

I’ve dropped your title when I refer to you now in my correspondence or in mentioning you in any way (which has been a LOT!). You are no longer MY governor, and you do not speak for ME.

I have read the full report by the Legislative Council and I denounce you as our governor in every way, shape or form. You are an embarrassment to good Alaskans as a leader. You are a liar and a stalker and so is your husband, Todd, who has also abused our trust in setting up camp in your office to harass state employees. I would say that you and he should be ashamed, but it’s quite clear that you do not know the meaning of that word, or the meaning of the words, truth or trust. So I am ashamed on your behalf since you can’t be, and I apologize to the world for not paying a LOT more attention to your slipping in under the radar of good Alaskans so that you could abuse our government and abuse our residents.

I will happily support any efforts we make in Alaska to oppose you, and to censure your horrific behavior as governor.

Martha Toon
Juneau Alaska

13 10 2008
Halcrow

Todd Palin barnstorming

They seem to be keeping Todd muzzled amnd mute.

Todd Palin wraps up Maine campaign swing

from bangornews.com

Article Date: Monday, October 13, 2008
PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (AP) _ The husband of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has wrapped up his swing through Maine in support of the John McCain presidential campaign.

Todd Palin made stops Sunday at Dysart’s Restaurant and truck stop in Hermon and at Harry’s Motor Sports in Presque Isle.

A day earlier, he made an appearance at Moosehead Trading Post in Palmyra.

During his visit, Palin greeted supporters, posed for photos and signed autographs, but he gave no big speeches and no press interviews.

13 10 2008
Regi

Political Amazon (11:48:20) :

About Franken…I just can’t get beyond the fact that Franken is good friends with G. Gordon LIddy and, in fact, Franken has been on Liddy’s show, and Liddy has been on Franken’s show.

I think Franken will quickly become like Joe Lieberman.

The ONLY good thing out of Air America is Rachel Maddow.

13 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

I just can’t stop checking Mudflats.

So, are we all really just undiagnosed suffers of obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) ?

13 10 2008
antsy aka CommaLibertyP

THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN (11:17:13) :

Thanks LuLu .. I just shot off my email!!! Somewhere George Carlin is turning in his grave!!

I think we should all email Michaels on behalf of George Carlin — that’s what i just did.
“We miss you , George.”

13 10 2008
Halcrow

Todd Palin barnstorming

They do seem to be keeping Todd muzzled and mute.

from bangornews.com

Todd Palin wraps up Maine campaign swing

Article Date: Monday, October 13, 2008
PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (AP) _ The husband of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has wrapped up his swing through Maine in support of the John McCain presidential campaign.

Todd Palin made stops Sunday at Dysart’s Restaurant and truck stop in Hermon and at Harry’s Motor Sports in Presque Isle.

A day earlier, he made an appearance at Moosehead Trading Post in Palmyra.

During his visit, Palin greeted supporters, posed for photos and signed autographs, but he gave no big speeches and no press interviews.

13 10 2008
MJC

*THIS ARTICLE SHOULD SHED SOME LIGHT ON ONE REASON SARAH PALIN HIRED CHUCK KOPP. HE SEEMS TO HAVE SOME CONNECTIONS WITH FRANKLIN GRAHAM. VERY INTERESTING.

Kopp hiring proved Palin’s fundamentalist street cred
Published: September 20th, 2008 12:53 AM
Last Modified: September 20th, 2008 02:47 AM

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/531723.html

13 10 2008
Halcrow

Todd Palin barnstorming

They do seem to be keeping Todd muzzled and mute.

from bangornews

Todd Palin wraps up Maine campaign swing

Article Date: Monday, October 13, 2008
PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (AP) _ The husband of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has wrapped up his swing through Maine in support of the John McCain presidential campaign.

Todd Palin made stops Sunday at Dysart’s Restaurant and truck stop in Hermon and at Harry’s Motor Sports in Presque Isle.

A day earlier, he made an appearance at Moosehead Trading Post in Palmyra.

During his visit, Palin greeted supporters, posed for photos and signed autographs, but he gave no big speeches and no press interviews.

13 10 2008
Ripley AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

Martha Toon
Juneau Alaska

*clap clap clap*

Nicely done. I hope more of you Alaskans make your local voices heard. Rise up and take charge.

13 10 2008
Sandie

I know this is OT, but have you read the interview with Levi Johnston, the teen father? Oh my.

here is the link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27160532/

13 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Regi (11:49:35) : “The ONLY good thing out of Air America is Rachel Maddow.”

Isn’t it ironic that she has the word mad in her name, yet she is the sunniest commentator on cable? I don’t think i have ever seen her mad -chagrinned and perplexed, yes, but mad, never.

13 10 2008
Halcrow

Todd Palin barnstorming
They do seem to be keeping Todd muzzled and mute.

From http://www.Bangornews.com
Todd Palin wraps up Maine campaign swing
Article Date: Monday, October 13, 2008

PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (AP) _ The husband of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has wrapped up his swing through Maine in support of the John McCain presidential campaign.

Todd Palin made stops Sunday at Dysart’s Restaurant and truck stop in Hermon and at Harry’s Motor Sports in Presque Isle.

A day earlier, he made an appearance at Moosehead Trading Post in Palmyra.
During his visit, Palin greeted supporters, posed for photos and signed autographs, but he gave no big speeches and no press interviews.

13 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Martha Toon (11:49:01) :

Really, Martha, high five! It’s a great letter and I applaud your courage. Just be careful out there.

13 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

By the way. I was thinking, I know Sarah Palin has come in close contact with dogs and wolves. Has anyone noticed any foam at the corners of her mouth? It could be that the poor girl just has rabies. It could explain the irrational behavior and rabid commentary. Just a thought.

13 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

Hey Muddies..

I sent an open letter to the Alaska Legislature about Palin’s potential house-as-bribe over her money losing ice rink.

At the end, is the complete list of AK senators and representatives.
I think it would be just wonderful if everyone could write to them and make your demands known as well. Palin thinks she can skate on the ethics violation, can she skate on bribery??

An Open Letter to the Legislature of Alaska

The Legislature of Alaska did the right thing, and found Sarah Palin violated ethics laws.. It’s only too bad she refuses to accept she did anything wrong.

Today, there is new and compelling questions about who paid and built Gov Palin’s Wasilla home. The Village Voice has been investigating the muddled question of her home and published a very indepth article giving their proof and the questions that have arisen.

This should be investigated with intensity and done with the utmost speed, because, if it’s determined she took a half-million dollar bribe in relation to the ice rink built in her home town, there will be overwhelming damage to the entire USA.

This shouldn’t be a complicated matter to resolve if she’s done nothing wrong. But the evidence uncovered so far seems to imply she decided she didn’t need a building permit. Was the house even inspected by electrical, plumbing inspectors, etc? Who were those contractors? What licenses were in evidence when it was built?

Who paid for the goods and materials needed to build the house? Simple invoices shouldn’t be hard for The Palins to provide and prove they actually paid them. Who bought and paid for the land?

I recently remodeled my house, and the hundreds of credit card charges
to Home Depot, Lowes and others would be easy to document. I’d assume
building an entire house would result in even more charges.. Unless of course, they didn’t pay for any of it.

Alaska has more than it’s share of corruption in the past, even currently, with Ted Stevens court cases in the current news.

It’s time to ask the tough questions of your Govenor once again. Sarah Palin
basically laughed at you and mocked your attempt at hurting her politically. It’s time to turn the tables and if she took bribes to build her house, she needs to go to prison for the harm she’s done to the state of Alaska that she claims to love so much.

The AK Mailing list I found (some came back as undeliverable, perhaps this isn’t a current list.. AKM? You have a better list?:

senator_con_bunde@legis.state.ak.us
senator_john_cowdery@legis.state.ak.us
senator_bettye_davis@legis.state.ak.us
senator_fred_dyson@legis.state.ak.us
senator_johnny_ellis@legis.state.ak.us
senator_kim_elton@legis.state.ak.us
senator_hollis_french@legis.state.ak.us
senator_lyda_green@legis.state.ak.us
senator_gretchen_guess@legis.state.ak.us
senator_lyman_hoffman@legis.state.ak.us
senator_charlie_huggins@legis.state.ak.us
senator_albert_kookesh@legis.state.ak.us
senator_donny_olson@legis.state.ak.us
senator_ralph_seekins@legis.state.ak.us
senator_bert_stedman@legis.state.ak.us
senator_ben_stevens@legis.state.ak.us
senator_gary_stevens@legis.state.ak.us
senator_gene_therriault@legis.state.ak.us
senator_thomas_wagoner@legis.state.ak.us
senator_gary_wilken@legis.state.ak.us

representative_tom_anderson@legis.state.ak.us
representative_ethan_berkowitz@legis.state.ak.us
representative_mike_chenault@legis.state.ak.us
representative_sharon_cissna@legis.state.ak.us
representative_john_coghill@legis.state.ak.us
representative_harry_crawford@legis.state.ak.us
representative_eric_croft@legis.state.ak.us
representative_nancy_dahlstrom@legis.state.ak.us
representative_jim_elkins@legis.state.ak.us
representative_richard_foster@legis.state.ak.us
representative_les_gara@legis.state.ak.us
representative_berta_gardner@legis.state.ak.us
representative_carl_gatto@legis.state.ak.us
representative_max_gruenberg@legis.state.ak.us
representative_david_guttenberg@legis.state.ak.us
representative_john_harris@legis.state.ak.us
representative_mike_hawker@legis.state.ak.us
representative_jim_holm@legis.state.ak.us
representative_reggie_joule@legis.state.ak.us
representative_mary_kapsner@legis.state.ak.us
representative_mike_kelly@legis.state.ak.us
representative_beth_kerttula@legis.state.ak.us
representative_vic_kohring@legis.state.ak.us
representative_pete_kott@legis.state.ak.us
representative_gabrielle_ledoux@legis.state.ak.us
representative_bob_lynn@legis.state.ak.us
representative_lesil_mcguire@legis.state.ak.us
representative_kevin_meyer@legis.state.ak.us
representative_carl_moses@legis.state.ak.us
representative_mark_neuman@legis.state.ak.us
representative_kurt_olson@legis.state.ak.us
representative_jay_ramras@legis.state.ak.us
representative_norman_rokeberg@legis.state.ak.us
representative_woodie_salmon@legis.state.ak.us
representative_ralph_samuels@legis.state.ak.us
representative_paul_seaton@legis.state.ak.us
representative_bill_stoltze@legis.state.ak.us
representative_william_thomas jr@legis.state.ak.us
representative_bruce_weyhrauch@legis.state.ak.us
representative_peggy_wilson@legis.state.ak.us

13 10 2008
Teresa

OK, I don’t get it…
Sarah and the media are saying “Abuse of Power” is just an opinion and doesn’t mean anything…

I got this email this morning…
Biden guilty of abuse of power — steps down
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/12/17140/532/960/628557

What if this was Obama??? … where’s the justice??? ERRRRR
Will she EVER just GO AWAY?? …and now JM is claiming he going to have a BIG come back and will steal the election… how?? Diabold??

13 10 2008
asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN

Aw, crap, Political Amazon. Now I gotta rethink things….

13 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Palin Truth reminds me so much of the book 1984.

13 10 2008
Whiskey Otter Hussein

The letter to Todd is not from his union, it’s from the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, which is an anti-union group. They want Todd to resign from his union because it will give them lots of good, free press. (His union dues are being used to help elect Obama.)

13 10 2008
aka Klomp Molen Palin from Holland

Kudos to Martha Toon from Youknow!

May other Alaskans be inspired.

Would it be an idea to cc your letter to media?
Because they happened to have had their holidays this weekend and seem to have missed the whole issue in their newscoverage.. ;-(

(Btw, Toon sounds like a Dutch name?!)

13 10 2008
MJC

REGI, Apparently John McCain is LURCHING TO AND FRO agian.

McCain Confusion Filters Into Politico Coverage

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/mccain-confusion-filters_n_134161.html

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Whiskey Otter Hussein (12:01:12) :

The letter to Todd is not from his union, it’s from the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, which is an anti-union group. They want Todd to resign from his union because it will give them lots of good, free press. (His union dues are being used to help elect Obama.)
____________

Thanks for pointing that out. I just love the fact, though, that his union dues will help to elect Obama.

13 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Just wrote Lorne Michaels— thanks for the link! Do you think it will help?

13 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Hey Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin , did you see my fantasy of Palin on SNL I posted to the previous thread? I would love to email it to him

13 10 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Here is my fantasy: Sarah Palin appears on Saturday Night Live later this month assuming that she will be in a comedy routine. Now here is the good part, the curtain opens behind her and there are a dozen well informed Mudflatters sitting in chairs. The next 90 minutes is an impromtu town hall meeting with real questions. What could she do other than answer the questions? Run away?

13 10 2008
Bobg

Some questions keep nagging at me.

1. Since Sarah Palin failed as Mayor and then as Governor why am I to believe she would succeed as Vice-President; a much more complex and much more important post than her two failed public posts?

2. Having been in construction management all of my life, the house that First Dude built with his own two hands seems to be professionally built. He must be a very handy person. Who did the engineering for the house? I understand that earthquakes happen in the area where the house is built and the house must be engineered and built to withstand minor earthquakes. (This raises the cost of construction considerably.) How much did the engineering cost and what engineering firm did the work?

3. Being on the shores of a lake I would assume that environmental studies had to be done on the Palin home. What was the cost of those studies and which firm did them. Are the studies a matter of public record in Alaska as they are in most states?

4. Usually, on structures that could have an environmental impact, public hearings must be held. At the very least, an environmental impact statement must be submitted and reviewed. Were hearings held and are the results of those hearings public? If no hearing was held is the environmental impact statement on file?

5. Inspectors always insist on inspections at every phase of construction when a homeowner does his own work to ensure that the work was done according to the local building codes. These inspection reports are usually a matter of public record. Were the inspections done and, If so, can they be made public?

6. I’m curious how much the Palin house is appraised for on the tax records. I would estimate that the materials cost on the house to be between $250,000 and $300,000. (I don’t know material costs in Alaska and this cost could be more or less.) I do not know how much site work had to be done so this cost would have to be factored into the value of the home.

7. The pictures that I saw of the Palin home showed the house very close to the lake. In cases like this great care must be taken with the septic system to ensure that a failing septic system doesn’t contaminate the lake waters. Does the house have a municipal water and sewage system? If not, who engineered the septic system?

13 10 2008
middleclassmom

Palin reminds me of my friend’s ex…nothing is ever her fault, she’s full of illogical statements and accusations, she’s great at playing the victim. Definite personality disorder, not to mention a serious lack of intelligence.

13 10 2008
karion

Before I cast a vote I would like to know the answer to two questions.

1) Are we sure Kopp was not considered for Monegans job when Palin was putting her cabinet together? I understood that Kopp was considered for the position initially but the “letter” was still in his file….so the selection went to Monegan.?

That is nearly correct. Monegan testified under oath that he spoke with Kopp at a picnic or some other function shortly before Palin took office, and that Kopp said he was pretty certain he had the job. It obviously went to Monegan initially, although the reason for Monegan’s appointment was not given.

There is another interesting part of the Kopp story – he was, quite frankly, one of the more damning witnesses against Palin. It starts on page 216 of the report, but here are some of the highlights:

1. When first contacted about the job by Frank Bailey, Kopp testified that Bailey told him “Todd is really upset with Monegan. Given Todd’s well documented obsession with Wooten, it is a very reasonable inference that he was upset with Monegan about Wooten. Kopp was not offered the job but was told Palin eventually wanted to take the Department in a new direction.
2. Kopp was again called by Bailey on July 9, 2008 about the job and Bailey asked how much notice he needed to give at his existing job. That was the first time Kopp realized that Palin intended to act immediately.
3. Kopp asked Bailey why they were getting rid of Monegan and whether Palin had told Monegan of those reasons – presumably, Kopp didn’t want to be set up to fail. Bailey specifically mentioned the photo incident with Wooten (Monegan gave Palin a picture of a state trooper to sign, not knowing that it was Wooten in the picture). Bailey said the governor was “extremely upset” by this.
4. The next day, July 10, 2008, Kopp was called by Palin’s chief of staff, who asked if Kopp would be able to meet on Friday, July 11, 2008.
5. Kopp met with Palin’s chief of staff and Bailey on Friday, July 18, 2008 at 10:30 am. Palin was NOT present.
6. Wooten, of course, came up in this interview. So we’re clear – this had nothing to do with the “differences in policies and budgets” claimed by Meg on this tape. Why would this issue come up at all if the differences between Palin and Monegan were related to policies and budgets?
7. After this relatively short interview, Kopp was tentatively offered the job, pending Palin’s approval. He got a phone call later that afternoon, saying Palin (who NEVER spoke to Kopp about the job) was appointed.
8. Monegan was fired that afternoon at 3pm.
9. Kopp further testified that he and Monegan spoke at a coffee shop in December, 2007, shortly after Palin was elected and Monegan was appointed. Kopp testified that Monegan said he had broached the possibility of Kopp’s employment at the Department with the Governor’s Office, but “they were concerned about the sexual harassment complaint” in Kopp’s file. When asked specifically if the Governor’s office was aware of the complaint, Kopp testified “Absolutely, yes.”
10. Kopp was hired without ever speaking to Palin about the position, and no one from the Governor’s office asked him about the complaint during the short interview he had.

13 10 2008
Michele

MJC (11:50:51) :

So employment discrimination must run in the fundy family. I have an aunt who moved thousands of miles to NC to work for the Billy Graham ministries a while back. Six months after she got there, Billy turned the reigns over to Franklin, who promptly laid off anyone over age 50. She lost her job, there was quiet class-action settlement, and no one is the wiser. She is such a rah-rah fundy (with a master’s degree in psych, no less) that she and the others refused to say anything negative about the Graham ministries, so the story never made it out to the press.

13 10 2008
knikgoose HUSSEIN!!

Good Lord! I can’t believe they’re letting Todd talk to people at all. He has NO clue,…”They’re gonna do lower taxes”,..said it all.

And yes, thank goodness for AKM, or, I might have had to cause the stuff to hit the fan, myself. Then, I’d be in jail, probably because I really don’t have Les Gara’s patience/stamina.

As for the multiple choice question, I have a “(d)” , as well.
First, I’m beginning to think AKM goes out of his/her way to think up stuff that will make me crazy if I don’t go dig it up.
And this little bit, seems so darned innocent,..has pushed me over the edge.

These crazy damned people are so intent to screw up Wooten’s child custody, that they’ll throw ethics to the wind, billy be-damned, and make a bezillion phone calls and emails about this ‘monster’, (really,..he’s a lousy husband with a crappy temper and poor judgment,…sounds like my 2 ex-husbands, ..idiots, but not monstrous. Not violent, apparently, and wants to see his kids). They go on doing this for months, calling everyone under the sun and expecting OTHER PEOPLE to be as ethics-deprived as they are, and take the chance of losing their jobs (either way) for ethics violations.
Are you telling me that they (Sarah and Todd) didn’t KNOW, ….not think,..KNOW, that Kopp had this on his record? Or, that they couldn’t have made a 5 minute call to someone to verify it, one way or the other?

Okay ; read this:
Reporter: When Palin was considering you for the transition team or when you were in talks with her to become commissioner, did you tell her about this?

Kopp: Again, November of 2006. The governor’s office was aware of this allegation and in the ensuing time they’ve had enough information come to them that they have a high degree of confidence in my appointment.

Whaaaa? They knew in Nov. 2006 , from KOPP’s own lips!

Okay, here’s the whole article , BUT, you have to promise to read the whole thing because there’s a doozy little response in there from the Palin perverters of law.
It will have your chin hitting the keyboard!

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/127551

Palin’s announcement can be found here,..PDF link;
http://divasblueoasis.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-public-safety-commissioner-kenai.html

13 10 2008
Democrat G (formerly "G")

NEW YORK CITY MUCKIES! CHECK THIS OUT!! I CANNOT WAIT TO GO!

NYC Pinocchio Protests Challenge McCain’s Lies & Smears when he comes thru NYC on Tuesday, by wearing Pinocchio noses and doing a “Lie-In.” People with Pinocchio noses are hounding McCain & Palin all across the country. Come be part of it here in New York City!http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/search_results?circle_id=74631 Everything you need to participate in this fun, visually powerful, and right-message-for-right-now protest, is available at:http://www.pinocchiopolitics.org/ Pick up a Pinocchio nose at your local Halloween costume store if you can – organizers will have a few extras. Tuesday, October 14 at 5:30 PM Protest McCain Lies in NYCGrand Hyatt Hotel109 East 42nd Street (in front of Grand Central)New York, NY 10017RSVP:http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/organizing/gs5qhv Wednesday, October 15 at 8:00 PM Protest McCain Lies outside 3rd DebateWe will hold a huge game of Liar’s Bingo outside the debate. Come play!http://pinocchiopolitics.org/bingoHofstra University1000 Fulton AveHempstead, NY 11549RSVP:http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/organizing/gs5qkk Thursday, October 16 at 6:00 PM Protest McCain’s Lies in NYC Waldorf Astoria Hotel100 East 50th StreetNew York, NY 10022Challenge McCain’s Lies & Smears when he comes thru NYC on Thursday, by wearing Pinocchio noses and doing a “Lie-In.” McCain will be speaking at the annual Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel.RSVP:http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/organizing/gs5qh2

13 10 2008
Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca

Political Amazon (10:33:39) :
I pick:
d) Putting cronyism ahead of the best interests of the Alaskan people.

Putting Kopp in charge of the Department of Public Safety for the State of Alaska is no better than Bush Jr. putting Michael Brown in charge of FEMA.
+++++++++++++++++++++++

And Monica Goodling in charge of Justice hirings. And Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General. And new grads from the politically correct Christian Schools in charge of Iraq Operations. And the list goes on ad nauseum.

TIME FOR A CHANGE.

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Robert F. Kennedy’s biographer says the GOP’s rhetoric is eerily reminiscent of the vile words that preceded RFK’s assassination.

On April 4, I was at the Madame Walker Theater in Indianapolis for the premiere of A Ripple of Hope, a documentary about an extemporaneous speech that Robert F. Kennedy delivered in Indianapolis 40 years earlier to a largely black audience just hours after Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated. The moderator of a panel discussion that followed was a distinguished member of the Indianapolis African-American community. He began his comments by saying, “I know what are a lot of you are thinking…you’re thinking that the same thing that happened to Bobby could happen to Barack.” An audience that was about one-third African-American greeted this with gasps, then with shouts of “That’s right!” and “Yes!” The moderator explained that when he canvassed black neighborhoods for Senator Obama, people sometimes told him that they were afraid that if they voted for Obama, and he won the nomination, someone would shoot him.

The people in the audience understood something that seems to have escaped Sarah Palin and John McCain: that Obama, like Bobby Kennedy, faces a heightened risk of an assassination, a fact tacitly acknowledged by the extraordinary protection being afforded him by the Secret Service. Kennedy understood that his position as the oldest surviving brother of an assassinated president made him a target; several weeks before his death, he told author Romain Gary, “I know that there will be an attempt on my life sooner or later. Not so much for political reasons, but through contagion, through emulation.” Obama faces a similar risk. Not only because he is the first African-American to win a party’s nomination, but because he is also the most popular and charismatic black leader since the Rev. Martin Luther King, who was gunned down just two months before Bobby Kennedy—factors you might think would cause his opponents to be careful about how they attack his character and motives.

This is an incendiary charge to make seven years after real terrorists killed thousands of Americans, one that risks encouraging extremists to consider Obama fair game—and his assassination as a victory in the war on terror.

The line between a political smear that is merely unpleasant and one that is dangerously inflammatory is a matter of judgment, difficult to calibrate, and different depending on the candidate. Justice Potter Stewart’s famous statement is probably the best standard for rendering a judgment. I would argue that Governor Palin crossed the line when she accused Obama of being “not someone who sees America as you and I do—as the greatest force for good in the world…[but] someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country.” This is an incendiary charge to make seven years after real terrorists killed thousands of Americans, one that risks encouraging extremists to consider Obama fair game—and his assassination as a victory in the war on terror. Even Senator McCain seems to recognize that Palin has crossed a dangerous line. On Monday he asked an audience at a rally in Albuquerque, “Who is the real Barack Obama?” The first and loudest response came from a man who bellowed, “Terrorist!” On hearing this, McCain appeared to grimace.

Palin was only four years old when Bobby Kennedy was gunned down, but McCain is old enough to remember that Kennedy was demonized before he was assassinated. William Loeb, the conservative owner and publisher of the Manchester Union Leader, called him “the most vicious and dangerous leader in the United States today,” and after Kennedy announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination, Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago likened him to Judas Iscariot. Earlier, the right-wing columnist Westbrook Pegler had welcomed the possibility that, as he put it, “some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter [Kennedy’s] spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.” (Pegler, it should be noted, is the anonymous writer whom Palin credited in her acceptance speech with saying, “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity.” The citation left Robert Kennedy Jr. aghast.)

Pegler’s remark was clearly beyond the pale, although he was only voicing the secret hopes of Kennedy enemies such as J. Edgar Hoover’s deputy Clyde Tolson, who at a gathering of senior FBI officials in April 1975 would say, “I hope that someone shoots and kills the son of a bitch.” But what about Loeb and Daley and other Kennedy enemies whose words were similarly incendiary? Were their attacks within the bounds of the rough and tumble of a political campaign, or did they cross a line? Did they risk pushing someone who was already mentally unbalanced over the edge, inciting an assassination? After all, if you believed that Robert Kennedy was “vicious and dangerous,” an American Judas, why not kill him before he became president?

All of us, Palin presumably included, pray that nothing happens to Obama between now and the election, and that Palin’s dangerous remarks will be remembered as simply one more smear in a campaign that may set a record for low-road political rhetoric. But if someone makes an attempt on Obama’s life in the coming months, Palin may have more to explain than why she was for that Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.

Thurston Clarke is the author, most recently, of The Last Campaign: Robert F. Kennedy and 82 Days That Inspired America.
_____________________

I want to repeat again what was in this article in case you missed it – it bears repeating and Mz Palin and Mr. McCain should MIND THEIR TONGUES and know of whom they speak – please reread the following excerpt:

The right-wing columnist Westbrook Pegler had welcomed the possibility that, as he put it, “some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter [Kennedy’s] spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.” (Pegler, it should be noted, is the anonymous writer whom Palin credited in her acceptance speech with saying, “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity.”

13 10 2008
RedwoodMan

Sarah just can’t seem to get anything right:

Palin mistakes fans for protesters at Va. rally
By BOB LEWIS Associated Press Writer
Article Launched: 10/13/2008 12:19:31 PM PDT

RICHMOND, Va.—Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin accidentally mistook some of her own fans for protesters Monday.
A massive crowd of at least 20,000 spread across the parking lot of Richmond International Raceway. Many on the outer periphery, more than 100 yards from the stage, couldn’t hear.

They started chanting, “Louder! Louder!” Palin thought they were protesters, looked toward them and said, “I hope those protesters have the courage and honor to give veterans thanks for their right to protest.”

Some in the crowd had stood in place for more than three hours on a sunny day without shade.

13 10 2008
knikgoose HUSSEIN!!

Good Lord! I can’t believe they’re letting Todd talk to people at all. He has NO clue,…”They’re gonna do lower taxes”,..said it all.

And yes, thank goodness for AKM, or, I might have had to cause the stuff to hit the fan, myself. Then, I’d be in jail, probably because I really don’t have Les Gara’s patience/stamina.

As for the multiple choice question, I have a “(d)” , as well.
First, I’m beginning to think AKM goes out of his/her way to think up stuff that will make me crazy if I don’t go dig it up.
And this little bit, seems so darned innocent,..has pushed me over the edge.

These crazy damned people are so intent to screw up Wooten’s child custody, that they’ll throw ethics to the wind, billy be-damned, and make a bezillion phone calls and emails about this ‘monster’, (really,..he’s a lousy husband with a crappy temper and poor judgment,…sounds like my 2 ex-husbands, ..idiots, but not monstrous. Not violent, apparently, and wants to see his kids). They go on doing this for months, calling everyone under the sun and expecting OTHER PEOPLE to be as ethics-deprived as they are, and take the chance of losing their jobs (either way) for ethics violations.
Are you telling me that they (Sarah and Todd) didn’t KNOW, ….not think,..KNOW, that Kopp had this on his record? Or, that they couldn’t have made a 5 minute call to someone to verify it, one way or the other?

Okay ; read this:
Reporter: When Palin was considering you for the transition team or when you were in talks with her to become commissioner, did you tell her about this?

Kopp: Again, November of 2006. The governor’s office was aware of this allegation and in the ensuing time they’ve had enough information come to them that they have a high degree of confidence in my appointment.

Whaaaa? They knew in Nov. 2006 , from KOPP’s own lips!

Okay, here’s the whole article , BUT, you have to promise to read the whole thing because there’s a doozy little response in there from the Palin perverters of law.
It will have your chin hitting the keyboard!

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/127551

13 10 2008
MJC

Michele,
Geez, I wonder what other skeleton’s Franklin Graham has in the closet.

I am almost willing to bet $1.00 (that’s all I can afford) that Franklin Graham and James Dobson gave John McCain an ultimatum to pick Sarah Palin as VP or else….

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

The right-wing columnist Westbrook Pegler had welcomed the possibility that, as he put it, “some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter [Kennedy’s] spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.” (Pegler, it should be noted, is the anonymous writer whom Palin credited in her acceptance speech with saying, “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity.”

_________________

The above is from an excerpt from the author of a book on Robert Kennedy. See link below for the full article.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-07/has-sarah-palin-put-a-target-on-obama/

13 10 2008
MJC

Michele,

Geez! I wonder what other skeletons Franklin Graham has in his closet?

I am willing to bet $1.00 (that’s all I can afford) that Franklin Graham and James Dobson had selected the unknown Sarah Palin and gave John McCain the ultimatum to pick her as his VP or else…..

13 10 2008
Diane

Do you think that the Alaskan’s might vote to impeach Palin if and when(hopefully) they lose the election?

She certainly has cost them lots of extra money, is now a proven liar, can’t talk, ethically challenged and has her husband co running the Gov. office.

I’d say impeach her before she damages your state like she did Wasilla!

13 10 2008
C in CO

Thanks AKM – just got the e-mail from Amazon with the Mudflats suggested reading list, and it’s great!
Did you copy Palin on the e-mail? She did say she reads everything in front of her – everything out there. Hee, hee, hee ……..

I have my own additions to the list if I may:

“1984”, by George Orwell
“The Handmaids Tale”, by Margaret Atwood
“The Sociopath Next Door”, by Martha Stout, PhD

Happy reading!

13 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Marty

You are the best! Thanks for the list, I emailed them and asked them to start a serious investigation into the actions of the Palins.

I am going to cut and paste the list to the Alaskan Craigslist R&R board and ask the locals to call for action.

13 10 2008
knikgoose HUSSEIN!!

BobG:
The lake is dead. There’s a covered former waste dump on the other side,..now a park, (with a well that supplys ‘drinking water’ to the park.
They stock the lake each year but they all die.
I don’t think there would be a building permit,..Mayor Sarah didn’t like that sort of thing. (She was in a hurry to get it done before her tenure was up)

13 10 2008
JT

Just had lunch with my old boss, and a long time Republican (and friend of John McCain). So mad at Bush, he says he will not vote for either party this year.

Palin was mentioned, and he (a concervative) thought Palin was a horrible example, because she let her daughter get pregnant. He blamed the mother for not paying attention.

The point….I wonder how many right conservatives are not really fond of Palin, but critical of her family.

Hmmmmm

13 10 2008
Sarah "honey bucket" Hussein

The future second dude?
For those of you who may not have seen Levi’s story. I think the timing is excellent. His use–or lack thereof–of the English language makes you forget Palin’s evern so slight breaches.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-101308-palin-levi-johnston-oct14,0,6150318.story?track=rss

13 10 2008
Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin

Hardball will cover troopergate on MSNBC!!!!!

13 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

Hey there Alaskans..

I wrote to everyone about Palin’s house questions..

Got a response back from one of your own.. Thought you’d get a chuckle.

Hello Marty,

Oh, please………

I’d answer you but I’m out looking for windmills. We’ll probably bump into one another.

Thanks for the grins.

Gary Wilken
Fairbanks. Alaska

13 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Hussein " That One" Cobra

Gary Wilken is loving this, isn’t he? I admit, he does have more of a sense of humour than I originally credited him with…

13 10 2008
rachelbirds

Please keep providing
the “gates,” Muckraker — keeps us
smiling in New York.

http://www.thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com

13 10 2008
THAT ONE TiredMom HUSSEIN

Got one email from Alaska already! From Rep. Jay Ramras:

Dear Ms. Stanley,
Mr. Branchflower’s investigation is complete – you can read it in the Anchorage Daily News website. Just a note that Alaska is behind on times of needing permits and such for building – they only passed that on a borough level a few years back. Inspections are the same way – not needed a few years ago and again it is on the borough level. The legislative branch has no authority over Governor Palin’s history when she was mayor. FYI.
Sincerely,
Elizabeth Brown
Legislative Aide
Representative Jay Ramras
1292 Sadler Way, Ste. 324
Fairbanks, AK 99701
Phone: (907) 452-1088
Fax: (907) 452-1146

13 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

Poor Levi and Sarah…what are their parents thinking?

She’s seventeen with myriad of changes going on in her young body. Where is her mother to help her sort through this and make sure she’s eating right and taking good care of herself? Preparing her for the realities of a new marriage? I could go on and on.

Those are two lovely teenagers with so much potential. It’s so sad to see them lacking the adult guidance they need at this time in their lives!

13 10 2008
ds55

Do we know what day this week Sarah Palin is scheduled to meet with the Personnel Board about Troopergate?

13 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

“They stock the lake each year but they all die.”
**********************************************************************************

How irresponsibly cruel!
I’m in bleeding heart mode today, btw

13 10 2008
Regi

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh (11:53:31) :

Regi (11:49:35) : “The ONLY good thing out of Air America is Rachel Maddow.”

Isn’t it ironic that she has the word mad in her name, yet she is the sunniest commentator on cable? I don’t think i have ever seen her mad -chagrinned and perplexed, yes, but mad, never.

True ! And I love that Pat Buchanan is obviously smitten with her.

13 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Articles on Palin from another Toronto newspaper

http://www.thestar.com/article/514503 (October 9th)

http://www.thestar.com/article/516257 (October 12th)

Comment in an article in today’s paper: (Today is Canadian Thanksgiving)

I am thankful I did not have the same English teachers as Sarah Palin. Is it against the law in Alaska to use the letter “g” at the end of a sentence? I’m thinkin she’s drivin people to drinkin.

13 10 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh (11:59:46) :

Palin Truth reminds me so much of the book 1984.
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All I can say is Double-Plus-Ungood.

13 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

antsy aka CommaLibertyP,

I get the impression SP had a few blackberries of her own — paid for by the taxpayers of Alaska. Would suspec everyone getting one now, Levi, Bristol, parents, etc — all courtesy of the McCain campaign as then they have access to everyone. Those donations that people give to the campaign — probably used for personal use but explained away for security needs.

13 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

@Eyeswide open… in that case, Mr. Michaels may ignore my email…🙂

13 10 2008
NY Dem

Can McCain do anything without a teleprompter ?

And even with it, he struggles along with his speeches, almost robot-like.

On the other hand, Obama seems to rarely look at his teleprompter, and especially in his speech today, was vibrant and invigorating, flowing along with his speech. Very Presidential.

As for Rachel Maddow, what was up with the glasses and the “It’s Pat” look on Leno the other night ?

She is an extremely attractive young woman, why would she dress like the stereotypical “butch lesbian” for Leno’s show ?

Had to be an inside joke or something – anyone know ?

Can’t wait for her and Keith tonight – she sure have a ton of material to work with from this weekend.

On a side note, DOW was up nearly 1,000 points today !

13 10 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

AKM. I think you may be looking at this in the wrong light. Here you are focusing on the lack of vetting when Palin and McCain are going to point out that it’s evidence of consistency in personnel selection as part of a program to develop mavericks. This means they can discount the charge of being erratic and reinforce their maverick message at the same time. Why I bet when you dig further you’re going more and more evidence of evidence of this consistent mavricky behavior…consistent mavricky oops! That’s an oxymoron isn’t it? O.K., O.K. maybe they’re both oxy morons, or perhaps in Palin’s case a moosey moron.

13 10 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Hussein Catfish P.

here ya go, all you Oceania/Palin/McSame fans.

Too freaking scary to even laugh about…..

13 10 2008
Teresa

Don’t get too exited about the stock market, it’s a pump and dump market until we get stricter Regs.

13 10 2008
Lana, KY

Oh Sarah, can you sense the wolves circling around you ?
Paybacks are hell aren’t they ?

13 10 2008
Bobg

NY Dem-Aren’t you waiting for the spin tomorrow; McCain will say that he turned the economy around at the White House meeting and the rise in the stock market proves it. The way McCain’s luck is running the next day it will lose 1500 points.

13 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Hey Mudpuppies… just found an article I had missed on HuffPo… seems like people are calling Omaha—> Obamaha! We can split our electoral votes and wouldn’t that be just the coolest thing ever?

13 10 2008
onlooker

watch out Alaska
now not only is SP spouting tha mantra ‘drill baby drill’ but has added ‘mine baby mine’
it’s bad enough the way drilling effects the enviorment.
mining has such a larger impact and is so much more destructive.

didn’t AKM have have a posting a while ago about SP wanting to promote mining ores from Alaska

I don’t think she’ll be satisfied until she leaves Alaska a desolate wasteland instead of the pristine natural wonderland it is.

13 10 2008
knikgoose HUSSEIN!!

Onlooker:
She was talking about more open pit mines in Pa.

13 10 2008
litgeek

@ onlooker – it’s worse than that. The woman intervened in a state-wide ballot initiative to influence the vote. It’s OK, though, because she verbally took off her “governor’s hat” before making her statements about the measure.

13 10 2008
BigPete

……let’s look at the bright side of things……according to Palin, McCain (if we vote for him) would do his best (darndest) to stop abuses of power…so he can’t be that bad…no?

13 10 2008
litgeek

Darn it. Stupid wordpress acocunt. litgeek = Cindy aka Rake Trinket Palin.

13 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Question for Alaskan Mudpuppies:

I am not totally familiar with the Exxon-Valdez issue, but wonder why in the bailout agreement there was an earmark for the Exxon-Valdez plaintiffs?

I had seen a reference the day after the bailout was signed that earmark was for Alaskan Fisherman. Knowing how JM & SP preach about earmarks and vetoing them all — why would this have been asked for? Same as everything else — goes against what they preach. Do as I say — not as I do!!

I don’t know the dollar amount awarded as of course the MSM only talked about the arrows for kids, rum importers, Nascar, film/TV production.

13 10 2008
A Fan From Chicago

Eyes Wide Open –

Not sure Mudflatters are suffering from OCD but it’s something. I said about five days after Palin was picked that I was going to have to start the Chicago chapter of Saranon. I can’t be away from The Huffington Post or Mudflats or MSNBC for more than about an hour before I get withdrawal pangs.

Hard to get work done. Don’t want to answer the phone. Are these symptoms?

13 10 2008
Just a little old lady

Hi good people. Have lurked around here for quite a while. You guys and girls are to be commended on all the good work you’re doing in the great state of Alaska. Been trying to do my part in the Buckeye state. That P women is sure firing up the wingnuts down here. There’s a lot of good people down here though and we’re going Blue for Obama. Yeah “That One” Peace and Love

13 10 2008
MinNJ Moose Roadster

Lulu:
Email sent to Lorne. Thanks for the address.

My great appreciation and admiration for you all. Thank you. Now back to read all the comments…

13 10 2008
PJ

I had a nice talk with my neighbor across the street. Turns out she is strong for Obama. She can’t stand Palin either!

13 10 2008
Just a little old lady

Here’s my thought on the Exxon-Valdez issue. There’s a huge mess in TX right now that nobody talking about except the people of TX. Maybe they want to apease the EV people so they don’t join in when the shite hits the fan over the Gulf spills. 100s of thousand of crude floating around down there. Just a thought

13 10 2008
MJC

ACORN: McCain And GOP Used To Be Supporters
(see picture of McCain with ACORN)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/acorn-mccain-and-gop-used_n_134284.html

13 10 2008
Sarah of AZ

Does anyone else think McCain is looking older by the day?

13 10 2008
MJC

Palin Accidentally Reprimands Her Own Supporters! OOPSY!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/palin-accidentally-reprim_n_134317.html

13 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

“my personal worth is now in the person of Jesus Christ.” Is this some kind of code to James Dobson, Franklin Graham and the Arlington Group? I’ve been doing a little research, and all these connections to government and elections and the religious right are started to make me nervous. The deeper I dig, the dirtier they get.

13 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Scalper Palin)

Just a little old lady (13:41:27) :

Thanks dear little old lady! You keep up the good work down there in Ohio! Peace and love to you too.🙂

13 10 2008
Regi

Bobg (13:19:12) :

NY Dem-Aren’t you waiting for the spin tomorrow; McCain will say that he turned the economy around at the White House meeting and the rise in the stock market proves it. The way McCain’s luck is running the next day it will lose 1500 points.

The whole world saved the market today, Obama needs to spin how it proves how interconnected we are and the world’s opinion matters. And the world wants these godawful, ignorant threats to Iran and Russia to stop and they want Obama.

13 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

McCain is too old for the stress of this office. I wish he would just take the ice queen and go to one of his many homes. You all in AK can have Sarah.

13 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Scalper Palin)

Naw, Nebraska, that’s OK – you can have her. 🙂

13 10 2008
NY Dem

Just listened to Brokaw on Hardball – he kept remarking about McCain coming out for the debate, and how “hyper” and “keyed up” he was for the first half of it. Mentioned his constant pacing, and vigorous writing of notes.

Brokaw did everything except state the obvious, and i thought he might at any point, that McCain was absolutely drugged up for the debate, and that’s why he came out so energetic. A couple of speeders or something like that will sure increase your metabolism !

Hope they reduce the dosage for Wednesday’s debate and make it a little less obvious.

13 10 2008
Regi

Teresa (13:15:50) :

Don’t get too exited about the stock market, it’s a pump and dump market until we get stricter Regs.

It’s an exciting time. Oil prices proved the US is far from an economic island and today proved we are no longer some iron fisted rogue nation who can thumb our noses at everyone else.

13 10 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Hussein Failin

Hey, we will just stick her in the cornfields… it’s a long walk home from here🙂

13 10 2008
Suchanut (Wesson Scalper Palin)

🙂

13 10 2008
Lulu

rachelbirds (12:56:23) wrote :
Please keep providing
the “gates,” Muckraker — keeps us
smiling in New York.
http://www.thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com

Rachelbirds, as one of your many fans here, I want to make sure you know about this political haiku contest: https://secure.pfaw.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=action_haiku

13 10 2008
Just a little old lady

My dial up went kaput. Stay safe. Have a goodnite.

13 10 2008
NY Dem

Just saw this video and story on MSNBC – Obama going door to door in Ohio with a clipboard, something you would NEVER see McCain doing !

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49B42U20081012?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

13 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Just a little old lady,
Thanks for your response. This earmark was the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska.

Just found this: $49 million tax benefit for fishermen and other plaintiffs who sued over the 1989 tanker Exxon Valdez spill.

13 10 2008
onlooker

I just thought of a joke

What do JM/SP policiespositions and Chicago weather have in common?

Wait a bit……..it will change

13 10 2008
OFFICIALLY

OFFICIALLY (11:28:09) :

Before I cast a vote I would like to know the answer to two questions.

1) Are we sure Kopp was not considered for Monegans job when Palin was putting her cabinet together? I understood that Kopp was considered for the position initially but the “letter” was still in his file….so the selection went to Monegan.

2) EXACTLY when was Kopp’s letter of reprimand removed from his file?
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Got it. Palin knew why Kopp was passed over when appointing cabinet members.

Kopp was the guy she wanted in the first place.

MAYBE its irrelevant ‘when’ the letter was removed from Kopps file…..UNLESS some person in her administration made contact with the Kenai City Council to HAVE the letter removed from the file @ the time Walt had her sign the picture of Wooten……

C would definitely be the lesser of the judgments I would make; support and stand behind. Without Blinking….:)

13 10 2008
NY Dem

Sorry, just pictures at that reuters site – MSNBC did have video though.

13 10 2008
katiebegood

Regi (13:57:00) :
The whole world saved the market today, Obama needs to spin how it proves how interconnected we are and the world’s opinion matters. And the world wants these godawful, ignorant threats to Iran and Russia to stop and they want Obama.

Just go to one of the right wing sites and see how they are all hysterical about the fact that Obama is getting “foreign” donations to his campaign, like that’s something evil. He is getting donations from all over the world. What that tells me is that the rest of the world wants someone SANE in the White House and want us to stop being the leading terrorist nation.

13 10 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

I pick c, both incompetence and bad judgment. But I think the two are connected.

Sarah Palin has absolutely no idea of how to govern anything; she has no idea of how executives conduct themselves within ethical limits or how they must subordinate their own personal agenda to the needs of the people. The fact that she lets Todd run loose in the governor’s office says it all.

13 10 2008
Canadian Neighbour

Regi,

“The whole world saved the market today, Obama needs to spin how it proves how interconnected we are and the world’s opinion matters. And the world wants these godawful, ignorant threats to Iran and Russia to stop and THEY WANT OBAMA.”

So can Canada borrow Obama for tomorrow (Tues)? Want to put him on our election ticket for Prime Minister!! Today is Thankgiving and we vote tomorrow.

Present Prime Minister is a Bush Wannabe. He hopes to be re-elected with a majority (please no!!). That is why he called the election early. The other 4 running are all buffoons!! There is no winner in the bunch. Thanks for all the Turkeys!!!

Please, Please, Pretty Please!!!!

13 10 2008
lovethecountry AKA Rust Mustang 'THAT ONE HUSSEIN'

@NY Dem

Regarding your Rachel’s dressing on Jay Leno comment – Yes, she is lesbian. Happy with her partner Susan and very very very talented young lady.

And she wears same kind of dress in NY when she is walking on streets after/before her recodings. As they say in show biz, they do Girly her up for the TV.

For me, I don’t have problem with her wearing whatever she wears as long as she is still that intellectual from Rhode’s..

I sometimes keep on wondering if she will run for office anytime. I would like her & Debby (I think FL congresswoman) to run for office..

13 10 2008
Midwesterner

Hi – I live in the Midwest and from here Mr. Monegan seems like an awfully good candidate to run against Palin for Governor in 2 years. I’ll be the first to give to his campaign. That election would pit Mr. Law and Order (Monegan) versus the wild, out of control, law breaker, power hungry, nut ball, husband who is a stalker, weird relegion, did I say crazy Governor.

13 10 2008
Midwesterner

Hi – I live in the Midwest and from here Mr. Monegan seems like an awfully good candidate to run against Palin for Governor in 2 years. I’ll be the first to give to his campaign. That election would pit Mr. Law and Order (Monegan) versus the wild, out of control, law breaker, power hungry, nut ball, husband who is a stalker, weird religion, did I say crazy Governor.

13 10 2008
Regi

Canadian Neighbour (14:22:02) :

Regi,

“The whole world saved the market today, Obama needs to spin how it proves how interconnected we are and the world’s opinion matters. And the world wants these godawful, ignorant threats to Iran and Russia to stop and THEY WANT OBAMA.”

So can Canada borrow Obama for tomorrow (Tues)? Want to put him on our election ticket for Prime Minister!! Today is Thankgiving and we vote tomorrow.

Present Prime Minister is a Bush Wannabe. He hopes to be re-elected with a majority (please no!!). That is why he called the election early. The other 4 running are all buffoons!! There is no winner in the bunch. Thanks for all the Turkeys!!!

Please, Please, Pretty Please!!!!

Oh no ! Hope it all works out for you. I couldn’t imagine 3 more McCain’s running !

13 10 2008
drchill

“Save us, Lord, from a Palin White House ”

http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotian/1084209.html

: )

13 10 2008
Laurie

lol..My sis is gay. There term she uses for herself is “lipstick lesbiann” She is blonde with a hairstyle like Ellen…and damned near as funny. She likes beautiful clothes…and she wears them. You should have seen the gorgeous wedding gowns she and her wife wore on the day of their wedding.

They live on an acre of property in a beautiful home….and the pool that night was lit with hundrends of candles on lillies. There were 2 of us who stood up for them…a Presbyterian minister married them…and there were well over 300 people …friends and family included. It was filled with love and was one of the best days of my life.

Yep…there are gay women who love to dress up.

13 10 2008
Teresa

Canadian Neighbour, Happy Thanksgiving🙂
… my in-laws in BC are eating turkey.

13 10 2008
SDSurfchick

AKM, I was struck today reading your blog and comments how committed you are to Alaska, to your home and community; and how, by giving of yourself there, you’ve touched us wherever we live.

I’m a transplant to California. LIve in San Diego. Hate this place and wish I lived in Texas, North Carolina or Virginia — any place that feels more like home than where I am. If California dropped into the sea tomorrow, I wouldn’t care a tad. I try to imagine ever caring about the CA state legislature or much much worse, San Diego City Hall– and I can’t.

But you’ve made this country hug together, and you’ve impressed upon me how important it is that I do get “home,” to a place I care enough to fight for, the way you have. But until then, I guess my home will have to be this whole damn country.

This is less a blog than a work of art. Thank you. For the facts, research, committment, humor, and thank God, your correct punctuation and ability to write well!

13 10 2008
Lulu

For more on gay women who like to dress up….Lindsay Lohan and her partner Samantha Ronson will be Sarah and Todd Palin for Halloween: http://www.dlisted.com/node/28734

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

What we saw in the market today was a “dead cat bounce”. This economic story has a couple of years to play out yet

13 10 2008
Michele

drchill (14:41:43) :

Amen! I really wonder if, after we have a chance to get out from under the midst of all this, we won’t view this last Republican stunt of nominating such an unworthy candidate to a national ticket, as the culmination of eight years of stupidity that will shame this country forever. If it wasn’t actually happening, it would be too farfetched to believe.

13 10 2008
Sheesh aka Puck Mule Palin

If there are two things that this Troopergate, Housegate and other assorted Palin maladies have made abundantly clear it’s that Alaskan politics are ‘politics as usual’ and that Palin has done nothing to make them any less so with her behavior. If anything she continues the tradition! So much for all that reform, eh?

13 10 2008
Shikago

Greetings Mudflats, to our Canadian neighbors I say “Happy Thanksgiving” and to all in the US, “Happy Indegenous Peoples Day”.

Glad I had the chance to catch up before KO comes on, can’t wait.

13 10 2008
Shove Maggot "That One" Hussein aka the problem child

Vlad the I’m HUSSEIN Palin (11:33:19) :

That letter is not from the Dud’s union, but from a union-busting organization.

13 10 2008
Teresa

I just can’t believe this TrooperGate is a non-issue, shaking my head… people are saying, she not guilty until she is reprimand, if that doesn’t happen, it will remain a non-issue… like I said before, what if this was Obama.

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Shove Maggot “That One” Hussein aka the problem child

Yes, thanks, someone pointed that out a few posts later.

13 10 2008
NY Dem

lovethecountry AKA Rust Mustang ‘THAT ONE HUSSEIN’ said:

I sometimes keep on wondering if she will run for office anytime. I would like her & Debby (I think FL congresswoman) to run for office..

———————————————————-

Agreed ! I’ve mentioned that before on a couple of different threads here.

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Rachel Maddow for Prez-VP in 2016 after Obama’s two terms !

13 10 2008
Intrigued

Pepper, Technically Obama will NOT raise taxes. But he WILL allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, which result in a net INCREASE in taxes for the middle class whom he claims to care so much about.

Just another slick politician with slick rhetoric to fool the sheeple. And, of couse, it works for ’em.

13 10 2008
Vlad the I'm HUSSEIN Palin

Intrigued (15:42:08) :

Pepper, Technically Obama will NOT raise taxes. But he WILL allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, which result in a net INCREASE in taxes for the middle class whom he claims to care so much about.

Just another slick politician with slick rhetoric to fool the sheeple. And, of couse, it works for ‘em.
_______________

And you have this on whose say-so?

13 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

-amn! I had a great response to a Debbie wasserman schultz and R Maddow for office concept and my boss walked in and I had to x out real quick–
something like–I LOVE Rachel’s facial expressions when she’s interacting with Pat Buchanan–priceless!

I’d have a girl crush on her but I’m happily married, lol!

13 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

I see you guys responding to “Pepper” about some tax raising thing about Barack–not me I hope–I know he’s not going to raise taxes…or if he does, I don’t really care–I just LOVE him!

But I can’t find the post you guys are responding to…???

13 10 2008
Lock Pepper Palin

never mind–found it–Waaayyy up there–
I guess i’ll get back to work now so I won’t get busted!

13 10 2008
Zim in Oz

Palin’s rural adviser quits
{http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hcowUtDZHPfXGi1pHwa8JCcX6ahAD93PTTK80}

13 10 2008
Taupe Armageddon Palin

3 things to note:

1. McCain going on Letterman Thursday, the same night Joe Biden goes on Leno. Prediction: Leno has highest ratings in history of show.

2. Palin Family Portrait: Clueless, Dud, Duh…I dropped out of high school and didn’t register in time to vote but I’m chillin’ guy, teenage mom with newborn, 2 exploited youngsters who look oddly like puppets and one guy in uniform. What’s wrong with this picture? everything but the guy in uniform. Merry Christmas from the Guv…

3. After watching the hysterical Meg video, I sent Rep. Gara an email thanking him and recommending a Gara/Monegan ticket for governor. Got a personal response 30 minutes later. The time? 2:30am CDT … 11:30pm Alaska. Like i said yesterday, Gara/Monegan for truth, ethics and the people!

13 10 2008
Robin

“You just can’t make this stuff up.”

It’s true, you just couldn’t! It’s getting more and more surreal.

Loved the article!

13 10 2008
Regi

Teresa (15:24:39) :

I just can’t believe this TrooperGate is a non-issue, shaking my head… people are saying, she not guilty until she is reprimand, if that doesn’t happen, it will remain a non-issue… like I said before, what if this was Obama.

Meanwhile Obama is guilty of conspiring with terrorists without a shred of anything suspicious a bunch of Republicans didn’t do also. As if our own FBI/CIA/hell, SPCA wouldn’t have long checked out Obama since he’s been on the national stage for FOUR YEARS ! They better damn sure be checking out the seccessionist wannabees Palin family !

13 10 2008
DeMo

Intrigued said(15:42:08) :

Pepper, Technically Obama will NOT raise taxes. But he WILL allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, which result in a net INCREASE in taxes for the middle class whom he claims to care so much about.

Just another slick politician with slick rhetoric to fool the sheeple. And, of couse, it works for ‘em.
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The tax cuts will expire under McCain also, You Who Knows All. After they expire in 2011, each candidate would make the 2001 and 2003 cuts permanent, and add benefits for different brackets. McCain’s cuts would benefit the rich. Obama’s would benefit the middle class and poor. But since you know ALL, you already knew that, didn’t you?

13 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

holy crap.. just walked in muddies..

village voice is on msnbc.. anyone mention it?

13 10 2008
Marty Hussein That One Voter - Get the HouseGater

damn.. missed most of it.. but he just busted Housegate on MSNBC..

YES..!! i think this is gonna be the beginning of the end for the pitbull..!

whoohoo

13 10 2008
Bruce

My video of 2 young Alaskan women speaking out about Palin has gotten almost 30,000 hits on CNN iReport in 6 hours:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-113360

(http://thebruceblog.wordpress.com)

13 10 2008
A Fan From Chicago

Bruce–

Can you give some context for the interview. When did you do it? Why did you do it? Where did you do it?

A couple of people I talked to today who saw it said, who are these women; they’re dressed in clothes somewhere warm so they’re not in AK; they sound too well spoken to be from AK. (sorry to all our new friends from Alaska. I assume not everyone there went to five colleges in six years.) It looks like a staged anti-Mccain piece of wirk.

It’s a great piece but can you explain more about how it came about?

13 10 2008
AKaurora

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-113360
These two young ladies are certainly more articulate in an impromptu interview than Sarah! They can speak in comprehensible complete sentences.

13 10 2008
AKaurora

Fan from Chicago-
Some of our young women actually are serious college students and attend schools all over the country. Mine’s in Rochester NY and her wardrobe since HS days looks much like theirs.

13 10 2008
mvngfwd

@SDSurf- Please do not wish CA gone. My family and many friends are still there and as a native Californian I too am proud of my state. While not perfect, CA has been at the forefront of environmentalism since the 70’s. We were recycling, planting trees to make up for carbon emission, promoted solar usage, etc. all before it became hip. You get my drift. I have lived in CA, NY and now FL and I can tell you I still love my home state.

Side note- KO and RM are nailing McMeltdown to the wall! Yeah!

13 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

I love when all the answer to the given quiz are correct !!

Mudflats for… governor! Or mayor of Wasilla !!

Maybe Palin can appoint mudflats as Alaska’s ambassador to the United States?

j/k.

Palin is scheduled to appear in Scranton, PA, on Tuesday… hope all the good pennsyltuckians are there to give her a piece of their mind.

13 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

I love when all the answers are correct, too.

sheeeesh. …

13 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

PumpBust – as the good old Amish down my way are fond of saying: “some people just need to go to church more often than others.”

Sarah Palin would be your exhibit A.

13 10 2008
A Fan From Chicago

AKurora–

Please don’t miss interpret my comments as criticism. I’m only looking for facts and context to counter the observations of people I’m talking to.

And it’s really a fools errand because they will never change their mind.

Just want the facts to stay in the game. I have no doubt that great and smart kids are growing up in Alaska. I’m reading their thoughts, and their parents thoughts here, every day.

13 10 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

@Marty Hussein That One Voter – Get the HouseGater

That’s actually an outdated list of Alaskan Legislators, as it has a number of people who are no longer in the Legislature. The info for them can be found on:

http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/commbr_info.asp?session=25

13 10 2008
InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein

@A Fan From Chicago (16:56:01) :

WOW, am I insulted. I’ve lived in AK for 23 years and am VERY well spoken. DO NOT assume that we’re all as unwellspoken as SWWNBN.

13 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

Bobg – excellent questions, Bob. May I suggest that you and anyone else who cares paste your questions into an email and send it on to Alaska’s version of the EPA, and also send it on to the Alaska office of the federal EPA and the Washington, D.C., Office of the EPA. My own thought is to turn your paragraphs into a document request under FOIA, including a specific request for the EIS and NPDES on the property. Oh, and since federal regs require taken wetlands (sure looks like it’s built in a wetlands area) be replaced with 1.5 acres elsewhere for each acre taken, let’s ask where that replacement area is.

Onlooker and knikgoose – I think Palin was trying to reference drilling into the Marcellus Shale formation across the northern half of PA. If she knew anything about PA, then she’d know the only current “mining” discussion in this state pertains to natural gas under Marcellus.

knikgoose – re your reply to Bob. What is it that makes that lake or pond dead? Is it a former chemical waste site, i.e., a lagoon?

13 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

btw – I saw in an earlier thread some suggestion as to songs Obama could use to give some tune to his campaign.

How about some songs that would give a tune to how we see the Obama campaign and his prospects for victory on Nov. 4?? My own suggestion is that old Chicago tune

Tue oo sday, at the polls
I thought it was the 4th of July eye

Tue oo sday, at the polls
I thought it was the 4th of July eye

People laughing, people dancing, Obama eating ice cream
no more waiting for Palin to go away…

can you dig it?
Yes, we can!

We’ve been waiting such a long time
for todaaaayyy…

13 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party

Countdown is on…

McCain as gollum???

hahahhaaaa

13 10 2008
A Fan From Chicago

Before this gets too far afield can I clear something up.

Kaurora and Wranagler Tractor: I never said anyone wasn’t well spoken or their kid wasn’t smart or well dressed.

Please read what I wrote earlier. I was asking Bruce what the context of his video was. For informational purposes.

And I said how much I admired the people from Alaska who have had the courage to post here.

Guys, we’re on the same side. To say you’re insulted is insulting.

Take a breath. I love this blog but lets don’t go off half-cocked. Or thoughtful people will be turned off.

There are three weeks left. Act like grown ups.

13 10 2008
Lulu

Bruce,

I saw the video for the first time just now and wow, congratulations! What articulate and perspicacious young women! Wish they were running for office!

13 10 2008
knikgoose HUSSEIN!!

Sauerkraut:
On the opposite side of the lake is a former waste dump that was one of those holes, then they filled it in and made it a park (I would guess it’s unfit to build on), Anyway, they have a well there and people don’t generally think it’s safe. There’s been a lot of leaching and run-off into the lake as well.
I think I can find some article in the Frontiersman about it, because it was brought up as an issue in 2002, when there was worry that other popular areas like Big Lake, might suffer the same fate, soon.

13 10 2008
knikgoose HUSSEIN!!

A Fan From Chicago :
It’s easy to get the wrong idea about Alaska. I had a totally screwed up idea myself, before I lived there.
It gets hot in the summer. You can swim in the lakes (but the water is dang cold) so most grown-ups, wear wetsuits if they’re jet-skiing ans stuff like that-( or at least, my friends do).

Shikago:
Thanks
From an indigenoooo

13 10 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Supposed to have gone to bed but got to writing.

The last post in this thread is my economic analysis for today:

http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,2047.0.html

Good night all!

13 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Hussein

Naomi from Oakland (21:55:40) :

Did everyone already hear about the Monegan filing with the Personnel Board, asking to clear up the defamation of his reputation by the gov? Halcro has a short article about it, apparently filed today.

Keep up the good work!

*********

http://www.andrewhalcro.com

13 10 2008
Cookie

Now House Gate. And on another blog today there is a story about the renovations at the Governor’s Mansion: Another potential scandal.

But it seems as if the only people paying attention are MSNBC and the liberal blogs. The Alaska legislature won’t even come back into session to censure or impeach Palin.

Seriously consider RECALL. The ordinary everyday citizens can start that. Don’t expect the MSM to care about exposing Palin and all her scandals.

14 10 2008
custador

Well, as a non-American (I think Republicans are vaguely aware of us, but they think of us mostly as little brown people who they can bomb when they’re bored or need to boost the economy, or as Evil Socialist Euros (TM)), I would just like to say WELL DONE! Mudflats is one of the very few things which comes out of America that reminds me that there are some switched on, smart people on that continent of yours, and that they’re not all Canadian. I genuinly believe that Republicans are Republicans because, in general, they’re so used to being able to justify their beliefs (i.e. fundamentalist Christianity) by saying “Just BECAUSE!” that they think they can do the same on issues other than religion, i.e. their political beliefs. That and/or they’re just very bovine. Either way, they’re idiots.

14 10 2008
custador

In other news, Governor Sarah Palin today gave a statement to WordPress which read as follows:

“Gee, you know, dangit, I’m just sooo pleased at the support I’m gettin’ from those nice folks at Mudflats, you betcha’! Readin’ their blog makes me feel like I’m back home clubbin’ baby seals and murderin’ endangered species with my trusty Apache Hellicopter, just like daddy taught me. Heeey, did y’all hear those ‘Philly Flyers fans cheering for me the other day?”

14 10 2008
Hawk

can someone explain the difference between recall and impeach — as in dealing with Palin? Thanks

14 10 2008
Chris Blask

“a” – incompetence.

That’s the most galling thing about it. She put together a staff too incompetent to manage a little local abuse of power without looking like the Three Stooges. Can you imagine what the Russian Delegation would do with a US delegation lead by Punch Palin?

I wrote up my thoughts on that here ( http://www.motleymoose.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=407 ), there is a link to a Time article of the same opinion.

8 11 2008
BushDoctrine

Kopp was hired at DPS because he gave money to the Palin-for-GOV campaign. When she had to fire him, he asked for the money back. That was the $10K payoff.




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