Live Blogging the VP Debate.

2 10 2008

Adult beverage – check.  Sarah Palin Bingo card – check. Tums – check.

Mudflats chat is up and running – check.

7 minutes. (takes drink and checks off the free “Air Space” Palin picture in the center of the Bingo card).

Ahh!  Just announced that judge dismissed the lawsuit filed to stop the Troopergate investigation.

I don’t like the set. WAY too much color. And where’s the babbling brook?

Here we go.

Biden won the coin toss.  Bailout question.  Focus on the middle class, not just wealthy.

Palin:  Soccer game! Parents on sideline! Betcha! Fear Fear Fear! Reform. Freddie & Fannie (Bingo card!) Country first.

Q: Polarization

Biden. Talking about experience. Reaching across the aisle. Republican friends. “Fundamentals of the economy are strong” said McCain. 9:00 the economy was strong, 11:00 we are in crisis. 

Palin:  Fundamentals means work force. Greatest in this world.  Governor, mayor, track record of reform. Maverick! (Bingo card)  Barack Obama 96% along party line. Energy, reform.

Q” Who was at fault in the meltdown?

Palin: Lenders. Deception. Greed. Wall Street. Getting rid of corruption. Joe six-pack! Hockey Mom! (2 bingo card marks!)  Heck! (Bingo card)  I can’t keep up!

Biden: Let Wall St. run wild. John McCain wants deregulation. Believed Wall St. could self-regulate. John McCain called for deregulation 20 times.  Wants to deregulate healthcare industry. Deregulation is the promise. Story about Joey Danko who can’t fill his gas tank.

Palin: Darn right! Obama voted for largest tax increase. Obama voted to increase taxes 94 times. Need private sector. Keep what we earn. Government needs to be more efficient. Tax relief.  Obama raised taxes on middle income families.

Biden: Charges not true. Budget procedural vote. Didn’t raise taxes. McCain supported deregulation.

Palin: I’m still on the tax thing.

ARgh…lost connection

Back.

Palin: Health care plan is detailed. $5000 tax credit. Smart to do. Doesn’t cost anything. Obama wants to mandate health coverage.  Trying to be cute. Gee shucks… Budget neutral.

Biden: Don’t know where to start. Exxon Mobil $4 billion tax cut.  95% small businesses make less than $250,000/yr. No tax increase.  Health care. John McCain pays for health care by taxing health benefits.  20 million people will be dropped.  “Ultimate bridge to nowhere”.  First laugh of the night!

OK…..shaking out hands….drink.

Palin: Took on oil companies. Exxon. Conoco Philips.  Bless their hearts, they’re doing what they have to do, but they’re not my fans.  Bless their hearts??  Bless Exxon’s heart?!?!?  (Big drink)

Biden: Alternative energy.  Why is he adding $4 billion additional to Exxon. Windfall profits tax. Palin supported it in Alaska and gives her credit for it….  good one.

Palin: John McCain’s calls for reform. Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac.  We have John McCain to thank for warning us all and putting his campaign aside….bla bla. “Main Streeters like me”.

Palin: STILL wants to talk about energy.  East Coast politicians who don’t want to talk about oil. Tap into domestic energy.  Flowin’. Heckuva lot. Energy future.

IFill:  What is true what is false about climate change.

Palin: Alaska feels it more than any other state. Don’t attribute man’s activities alone to climate change.  I don’t want to argue about the causes. Clean up this planet.  Blizzard of words. Reduce emissions. Energy independent. All the more reason to have an “all of the above” approach.

Biden:  Clearly manmade.  Fundamental difference. If you don’t understand what the cause is, it’s impossible to come up with the solution. 3% of reserves of oil, consume 25%.  McCain voted against alternative energy.  He’s doing really good on this one…

Biden has flag pin.  Palin has flag pin with pole and rhinestones.

Drill drill drill. 10 years for oil to come.

Palin corrected him!  The chant is “Drill Baby Drill!”   Oh. My. God…..(hits head on desk. Drinks more wine).  Called him Senator O’Biden?  It is safe to drill and we need to do more of that. Offshore drilling.  Nukular.

Biden: Why did John vote 20 times against funding alternative energy.

Ifill: Same sex benefits?

Biden:  Yes. Absolutely. Joint ownership, hospital visits.  It’s only fair. Same constitutional benefits as heterosexual couples do.

Palin: Not if it goes closer toward redefining marriage as anything but “one man one woman”.  I am tolerant and have a diverse group of family and friends. 

Biden: Don’t support redefining marriage.  Leave it to faiths.  Glad governor feels there should be no distinction in constitutional rights.

Ifill:  Both have sons in Iraq.

Palin:  Surge is working.  General Petraeus! (bingo card)  Obama voted against funding troops. Got to win in Iraq. The surge has worked.  Put more troops in Afghanistan.  Al Qaeda (bingo card!)

Biden: “With all due respect, I didn’t hear a plan” 1 point Biden!  McCain voted against funding the troops because of the timeline.  McCain has no plan to end the war.

Palin: “You waved the white flag of surrender”.  Not what our troops need to hear. Commanders on the ground will tell us when to end the war. (Yeah, that’ll work well).  You said you’d be honored to run with McCain on the ticket, and said Obama wasn’t ready to be commander in chief.  Don’t know how you can defend obama when he voted to cut off funding.

Biden: McCain voted to cut off funding for troops.  He repeated it twice.  He voted against it because the amendment had a timeline and he didn’t like it.  I said we wouldn’t be greeted as liberators and we’d be there a decade.  John McCain has been dead wrong on the fundamental issues related to the conduct of war.  Those are the facts.  Another point for Biden!

Ifill:  Nuclear Iran or Pakistan?

Biden: Iran is not close to getting nuclear weapon. John continues to tell us the main focus is Iraq.  The real threat is Afghanistan/Pakistan border.  Build schools, win hearts & minds.  Will go for Bin Laden.

Palin: General Petreus is the one who said the central war on terror is in Iraq.  Nuukular.  Then Nuclear.  Think of the creek Sarah, think of the creek!  Stinking corpse reference.  Obama willing to meet with leaders without precondition.  Goes beyond naievete and is downright dangerous.  Nucular.  She had a great conversation with Kissinger.  THey hate our freedoms and our respect for women’s rights!!!! (Except their reproductive rights!!! Head slam)

Biden:  Clarify. Not true.  breathe….  Theocracy controls security apparatus in Iran. Friends and allies want us to talk. His experience is showing here… McCain said he wouldn’t even sit down with the President of Spain! (hehe)

Ifill: 2 state solution in Israel Palestine?

Yes. Israel is strongest and best ally. “Seek to destroy” (bingo card)

Finger cramp! Must take break.

Palin: Cutsie, patronizing. Finger pointing, your party is looking to the past and people will get tired of it.  Totally patronizing….ugh.  Change is comin’

Biden: Past is prologue.  Haven’t heard about how McCain’s policy will be different than Bush’s.   He is cleaning her clock on foreign policy.

Ifill:  Nuclear weapons.  Should there be a trigger when nuclear weapons are put into play.

Palin: Not prepared for this question, obviously.  Nucular nucular blizzard of words.  “Can we talk about Afghanistan too though?”  Surge principles need to be implemented with Afghanistan.  Obama said all we’re doing is killing villiagers.  Reckless comment.  We’re building schools.. What is she talking about?

Biden:  Facts matter. Commanding General said that the surge principles used in Iraq WILL NOT WORK IN AFGHANISTAN.  I love Joe Biden.  3 weeks in Iraq we’ve spent what we have in 3 years in Afghanistan.

He knows how to say nuclear!  And he keeps saying it right! 2 points for Biden.  Obama reached across the aisle to Dick Lugar and wrote serious and real legislation.

Palin: I have no idea what she is saying. I still have no idea what she’s saying.

Biden: I don’t think he knows what she was saying either.

Biden is now talking about intervention in Darfur genocide, and Palin is standing there with a stupid smile on her face.

Palin: Americans are cravin’ straight talk. She’s rediculous.  Heck, gee, I’m a Washington outsider and I don’t know how you guys operate.  Bat bat bat.

Ifill: How would a Biden administration be different from an Obama administration?

Biden: Going over all Obama talking points. Health care, middle class, engage allies, find Osama Bin Laden, alternative energy, new jobs, clean energy. This is the most important election you will all vote in since 1932.  I agree with every major initiative he had suggested.

Palin: What do you expect?  A team of Mavericks.  We agree to disagree on ANWR. MccCain talking points.  REality from Main St. Wasilla brought to Washington.  BINGO!!!!!  Wasilla was my final bingo square!

Biden:  Goes to Home Depot, he’s a regular guy too.  People in his town recognize McCain is four more years of Bush.

Palin: There you go Joe, pointing backward again.  She is truly a caricature of herself.  Tina Fey has nowhere to go.

Ifill:What does the VP do every day???!!!

Palin:  Heck it was a lame attempt at a joke.  Be supportive of President’s policies.  Energy independence, reform of government, special needs children. I said, ” I can’t wait to get there and go to work with ya!”

Biden: History of getting things done. Record shows that.  Point person for legislative initiatives.  Obama wanted someone with independent judgment who wouldn’t be afraid to disagree.

Ifill:  Do you agree with Cheney who says VP isn’t part of executive branch?

Palin:  Looks like she’s reading.  Agrees with Cheney. We’ll do what we have to do to administer plans.  She has executive experience. Governor, Mayor, business owner.

Biden: Cheney is the most dangerous VP in history! (WOW!)  Bizarre assertion to aggrandize the power of the VP and it is very dangerous.

That was an awesome exchange.

Palin:  I’m a hockey mom. We’re a shining city on the hill. Reagan (Bingo square).  I’m worried about a son in the war.  Force for good in the world. How will we afford college?

Biden: Crime bill, violence against women act, Bosnia.  He’s also a single parent. I understand kitchen table. The notion that somehow because I’m a man I don’t know how to raise a family… I understand what it’s like sitting around the kitchen table. They are looking for help. They’re not looking for more of the same.

Palin:  Maverick. Maverick.  Change change. Took on her own party. Both sides of the aisle.  Lieberman, Giuliani, Romney and Lingle all think he’s the man we need to lead. We have to win the war. Entrenched partisanship.  Change is coming and John McCain is bringing it.

Biden:  McCain is no maverick.  (THANK you.)  War, education, tax cuts, hasn’t been a maverick on anything that people talk about around the kitchen table.  “Maverick he is not”.

Ifill:  Change opinion?

Biden: (missed it…..phone rang.)  Judicial philosophy matters.

Palin:  Passed budgets she didn’t veto.  Times she wanted to zero base budget and cut taxes and didn’t.  Never had to compromise because she’s accomplished everything she wanted to in Alaska.

Ifill:  How do you be bipartisan.

Biden:  Track record of doing it already.

Palin: You appoint people regardless of party.  At the end of the day as long as we’re all working for the greater good it’ll be OK.  Lower taxes, build infrastructure, rein in government spending.  Obama will increase taxes & spending, off she goes.  Clear choice is on November 4th.

Closing statement:

I like being able to answer tough question without the main stream media filtering what they’ve heard.  We’re going to fight for America, average, everyday family like mine.  I know the hurts. I know the joys.  I’ve always been proud to be an American.  Reagan quote. Really long Reagan quote. Only one man who has ever fought for you and that’s John McCain.

Biden:  Most important election in your life.  In the last 8 years we’ve been in a deep hole. No credibility.  Need for fundamental change economically and foreign policy.  We don’t measure success by tax breaks to Exxon.  WE measure it by paying mortgage, health care, troops.  Honesty, work hard. Obama will bring that back.  God bless the troops.

The families are up on the stage…..

No trainwreck, but I’m calling it pretty convincingly for Biden.  Palin started strong, but started to falter as soon as it went to foreign policy.  Biden hit his stride halfway through, and finished strong.

And of course, she didn’t answer questions, and basically admitted she wouldn’t at one point.  She was “folksy” to the point of pain.  She was a talking point machine, and a drill baby drill one-trick pony.  She had nothing to say in the face of actual experience.  I don’t know if she hurt John McCain, but she surely didn’t help.  And the “I agree with the Cheney philosophy of governing” was downright scary.

Absolutely no gaffes or bloviating from Biden.

Official Mudflats take:  Biden by a landslide.


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621 responses

2 10 2008
tspey

KUDO just announced that the judge dimissed the lawsuit to stop Troopergate!

The investigation continues…

2 10 2008
akmuckraker

Woohoo!

2 10 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

I couldn’t be happier!!!! Does SWWNBN know????

Are you FIRED UP?

Are you READY TO GO?

YEAH!

2 10 2008
Kwachie

Let the games begin … tell me again, when do we chug the beer?

2 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

Let’s see Evita without her adoring crowds.😉

YEAH CASSIE!!😀

2 10 2008
galwhohashadenough!

I’m here and ready. Hopefully, I don’t throw something at my TV. LOL!!

2 10 2008
Gina

Evening everyone. It’s good to be in such fine company.

2 10 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Go Gwen Go! What a trooper she is:)

2 10 2008
Julie P

I wonder if she’ll reference her beauty pageant manual during the debate.

2 10 2008
judi

Here and ready to shout out loud…..You go Joe Biden!

2 10 2008
Shove Maggot Palin aka the problem child

Checking in w/ my bevvy!

2 10 2008
Kwachie

“Can I call you Joe?”

“No, you can call me Senator Biden.”

2 10 2008
tspey

Can I call you Joe????????? What? Joe six pack you mean?

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

betcha – chugalug

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

neither one answered the question

2 10 2008
tspey

Hmm, McCain… Why didn’t SP mention Rick Davis???

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

wink – chugalug

2 10 2008
pdx mb

wink–forgot that one? chug anyway

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

gittin’ – chugalug

2 10 2008
CaitlinRoran

Drink! All soccer mom references earn drinks.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

enough with the Mavrick BS

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

maverick – chugalug (getting tipsy)

2 10 2008
pdx mb

jinx

2 10 2008
Kwachie

The fundamentals of the economy … er … um … the workers … who are out of work … um … are strong!

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

Hockey Mom – Drink!

2 10 2008
Misfit

Hair is down and ear bug in place………………Why is it so HARD to focus on what is being said? Is it me or ………? The only words I have clearly understood is “You Bethca” and “You’re darn right”

2 10 2008
tspey

She bangs, she bangs… no seriously. Her bangs are about to poke her eye out.

Oh no. ‘Joe six pack. Mark it off your pingo cards.

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

darn right – guzzle

joe 6-pack – guzzle

hockey mom – I’m out of wine

2 10 2008
Denise

Palin is loving the camera. She is speaking right to the camera. A strength from her sportscaster background. And so far, she isn’t babbling too often.

2 10 2008
Melangell aka Missile Blunt Palin

let’s hear it for regulation! Too bad McC was so against it!

2 10 2008
Kwachie

hurtin’ … gettin’ … workin’ …. wink … chug, chug, chug …

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Oh.. so they are going with the folksy hockey Mom… and WTF? McCain/RNC wants MORE regulation???

My head is spinning and I have hardly been drinking..

2 10 2008
Denise

She has the script memorized or the earbug.

I was wondering if they were going to hypnotize Palin to help her out.

2 10 2008
Blue in MT

I can’t believe she winked. She is ridiculous.

2 10 2008
Kwachie

Darn right! …. chug

2 10 2008
Melangell aka Missile Blunt Palin

Darn Right! chug!

2 10 2008
Kwachie

Reign in! BINGO!

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

More lies about the $42000 tax level.. what a crock..

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

the floor is littered with her dropped “g’s” – what language does she speak?

2 10 2008
Cathy

Am I the only one that sees the wire over Palen’s right shoulder??????? It is tucked into her hair.

2 10 2008
Denise

Think they had her speaking stratight to the camera at the ranch. Like shortlived TV job. Cause she is used to speaking to an audience in the political arena. Working with the audience reaction. So no response.

2 10 2008
Kwachie

There’s an “O” in “you” …

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

OMG – her pants just caught fire !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

I think she’s doing just as I predicted after watching the 2006 governor’s debate. She’s doing okay. Not great, not outstanding but okay and holding her own.

2 10 2008
biglake

good on ya, Joe – nail her when she slithers away, like on deregulation
(but she’ll talk straight to the Amer-can people)
like they will give her a break on not staying on topic?

2 10 2008
tspey

DR = de regulation. Darn Right.

State fuel tax was 8 cents. Thanks a lot.

She totally skirted the de-reg issue via taxes… so this is their ploy.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Easier to reduce taxes in AK with the increases in fuel costs and the extra subsidies.. not really something other states can relate to.

2 10 2008
Denise

She is going to avoid answering questions by attacking Gwen and Joe.

Ya’ll stop picking on me. Wah, wah. Change my diaper.

2 10 2008
nunya

Sarha cut taxes for the RICH in Alaska, right?

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

Joe has to draw her to a question that she is not ready to answer. She dug in on that last round.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

So far Biden is doing well. Firm, on the facts, talk about McCain … I like it so far… she looks like she is in a whole ‘nother (lower) league.. like AAA

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

Todd – first dude – drink!

2 10 2008
Denise

Bomb! Knew the patriotic tax comment was coming.

How will Joe deflect?

2 10 2008
hirngabel

She’s not as bad as I thought she were, I must say. From my German, non-native-speaker-point of view…

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

blah blah sound bite, blah blah campaign talking point (smile and look perky)

2 10 2008
tspey

Small businessman Warren Buffett on Charlie Rose last night said how ridiculous it was that he was paying such low taxes…

2 10 2008
elizlucinda

Gees….this “golly gee whiz” stuff coming from Palin is a bit much.

2 10 2008
Denise

Palin raised the taxes on Oil exported out of Alaska right?

And I thought Alaskans did not pay state income taxes. Right?

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Helloooo peeps… it’s 3.19 AM…. why am I here? Oh, because of the Mudpuppies! Go Joe.

2 10 2008
Denise

Joe looked into the camera and delivered a good line. Maybe Palin will be less effective because she is doing it all the time.

2 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

I think everyone here has to admit she’s doing much better so far than she did with Couric or Gibson. I wonder if that was a plan to lower expectations for this debate after all.

2 10 2008
tspey

Affordable health care???? HUH? McCain plan will tax income!!!!

Yeah you go Joe!

2 10 2008
marti

I can’t watch – I’ll just listen to you guys – honest to god its too stressful. I am sick that people actually listen to this woman. I soooo appreciate hearing about the lawsuit – THANK YOU!

2 10 2008
twinkle toes aka Axe Diesel Palen

Did McCain teach her about the smirk?

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

BAZING!!!!!

2 10 2008
GlitterGirl

headlines tomorrow-palin exceeds expectations

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

Very cheesy and tacky how she is mugging for the camera – like a ‘cutesy’ high school cheerleader debating.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

well.. I am upper mid class (I think) and I AGREE that those who make more need to pay more.. I DO think that is patriotic.

Bridge to nowhere SNAP!!!

and he got a laugh!!

2 10 2008
Misfit

I AGREE!!! No More Nowhere Bridges, PLEASE!!!

2 10 2008
Denise

Oh yeah. She is going to IGNORE anything she doesn’t want to answer. And attack Gwen and Joe if pressed.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

No room in live chat?

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Yup, she is doing okay (relative to expectations), but I wonder if she’s going to run out of steam soon… she must be ticking off talking points

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

I know this is late, but I think anyone drinking needs to do a double for Joe 6-PAk and Hockey Mom in the same sentence.

Do you suppose she realizes she’s writing the next SNL skit?

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Yes SP is doing respectable– but that cannot erase the previous interviews…

2 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

I couldn’t get into the live chat. Kept getting error messages.

2 10 2008
nunya

McCain doesn’t flip flop BwAA hahahahhahahaha

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She is just regurgitating old speeches.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

She didn’t just say that??? McCain doesn’t spin?? no way..

and she is being snarky.. yeah! ppl will NOT like that nastiness…

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

No room in live chat, no

2 10 2008
Melangell aka Missile Blunt Palin

Thanks for hangin’ in there with us, Flag Cobra! Love you British Mudpuppies!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She is slowing down and starting to ramble…

2 10 2008
GlitterGirl

i’m hoping she runs out of steam, also

2 10 2008
RLS

Jeez, get her to answer the original question… what do they give up.

2 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

I’m glad I don’t drink. I’d probably be hammered in the next 15 minutes. LOL.

2 10 2008
Denise

Joe just BAILED OUT “patriotic taxes” by pointing to how unfair the $$$$ going to Offshore mailboxes to avoid taxes.

2 10 2008
biglake

YES – look right at her and remind her about who is Unpatriotic (re: off-shore tax avoidance)
wearing a pin just isn’t enough

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

I hope Joe Six Pack is too drunk to vote

2 10 2008
Misfit

OMG! Mcain HAS been tutoring her on smirking!!!! I swear I just saw HIM in her face

2 10 2008
Camielle

I think she is doing quite well. I knew that she would. I almost believed that the KC interview was all a set up to get the expectations so low that we would be wowed and McCain would be back on top.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

go Gwen! Follow up!!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She is repeating herself already.

2 10 2008
Laurie

I dont know why anyone says she is doing well…she isnt answering any of the questions. She is just going off her talking points…big friggen deal

2 10 2008
Anonymous

Palin is blurting out chunks of memorized drivel. In the cases where there is a need for interaction and actual thoughts, she fails.

There is very little opportunity for her to melt down since they limited the actual exchanges between the candidates.

The format changes are helping her immensely.

2 10 2008
Denise

Please, let her say nuclar.

Bushism—others say nuclear.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She is not answering the questions.

2 10 2008
tspey

Take on oil companies? Hmmm. Expertise? As an appointee from a corrupt gov Murkowski?

2 10 2008
nunya

“Stop the greed and corruption”

Everybody drink!!!

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

Thery really did load her up with some decent stuff. I wonder if later Gwen will ask about things that haven’t been at the top of the news for the last two weeks?

Nothing against the questions so far! They’re important. Just, maybe, predictable.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

No- McCain won;t take anything off the table (translation- I don’t know what he promised so I can’t answer)..

2 10 2008
Juneauite

When expectations are low it is not hard to exceed it.

She talks as if she’s reading a teleprompter…I almost wonder if someone is feeding her lines.

Hmmmmm….

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She does sound rather like a talking Barbie doll.

2 10 2008
Denise

Yeah. I kept saying the bar was being set way way too low. Just not drooling beats expectations.

Interview with followup questions and no script is not like a debate.

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

Oh Snap Go Joe WFPT

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Biden is making some good points though he is not answer the questions either!

2 10 2008
Camielle

Good Job JOE!!!!!! I was hoping that he would bring up the windfall profits tax.

2 10 2008
Kwachie

Biden just comes across as an honest, nice guy. He doesn’t smirk, he doesn’t wink, he doesn’t pander … yes, she’s doing well, as many expected her to do, because she’s known to do well with the debate format … but she acts like a smart-ass and it’s not appealing.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

LOL Joe said her position supported Obama’s position on windfall tax.. yeppers!

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

plwalsh — of course she’s not answering the questions. Strictly speaking, Joe hasn’t directly answered all the questions.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

She’s looooosing it… I think – rearing heads

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She is slowly losing it. Oh oh.

2 10 2008
Laurie

lol…rear that head of abuse??? wtf

2 10 2008
Juneauite

I told my husband that they shortened the debate to 90 minutes because that is how long her batteries last…

…and then once agitated it uses up more power so she might start being incoherent a lil bit later…

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

Biden is handling himself perfectly so far.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

main street – drink!

2 10 2008
nunya

Again!
“Stop the greed and corruption”

Everybody drink!!!

2 10 2008
Denise

Line stayed flat on CNN when she was crediting McCain with De-Regulation. Hmmmm.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Call her on it JOE! They did NOT put the campaign aside… pants on fire again!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Yeah, the points are slowly getting scrambling. She is in Couric mode now!

2 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

At this point it doesn’t matter if she answers the questions so long as she says something…anything. Remember when Couric asked her what newspapers she reads regularly and there was dead silence before she rambled onto something else. I couldn’t believe she couldn’t at least name the ADN. So if she says something she is still ahead of the game from where she was last week.

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

She just mixed up Main and Wall steets

2 10 2008
plwalsh

The rearing head is going to be on SNL though.

2 10 2008
Lori W.

She said : “It’s a toxic mess on MAIN Street.” LOL She was SUPPOSED to say:
“It’s a toxic mess on WALL street.” NO?

2 10 2008
Denise

CNN line started going up when Joe talked about Obama pointing out subprime crisis 2 years ago.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Why am I drinking Guinness – very difficult to chug back?

2 10 2008
plwalsh

I think she is fine until she gets rattled and then she loses track of the script.

2 10 2008
U D

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Please try again in a few minutes.

yikes!

2 10 2008
RememberNovember

In the South, before you cut someone down you say “Bless their hearts”.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

SHE TOTALLY DODGED…………..THAT WAS BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Oh… change the subject…

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She is going, going, gone…

What question is she answering??

2 10 2008
Blue in MT

She’s starting to lose it. She’s having a hard time transitioning to her soundbites. Not logical at all…puke.

2 10 2008
GlitterGirl

when she meets a question she can’t handle she moves to something else

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

JOE

She supported Obama;s plan before she was tapped as VP Candidate…

call her on it!!

oooh snarky

2 10 2008
Denise

Playing to energy. What the heck did she do in Alaska on energy? Wasn’t it already an oil state? What else has she done but oil?

2 10 2008
Gryphen

Of course she is doing well.

They are letting her read from notes.

Take her notes away and watch her try to answer a simple question.

2 10 2008
RememberNovember

“East Coasters”….well she just alienated about 20 states! ALASKA FIRST!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Oh God, this is getting embarassing now.

2 10 2008
tspey

Keeps coming back to energy b/c that is all she has.

Eeest coast politishuns? No… ing not in.

2 10 2008
jonsey

Is she flirting?

2 10 2008
Kwachie

um, okay, but I wanna keep talkin’ about energy … um … terrorists … um … jobs … um … hungry markets … um … energy independence … what was the question?

2 10 2008
biglake

she’s dwelling on energy – her strong point when she can rely on Alaska’s resources – and looks right at her audience.
I think they will like it

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Oh yay – go Gwen! Climate change.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

Governor Palin Iran has crossed the border into Iraq what should we do – well before I go there let me say there is Oil in Alaska…..duck dodge dip and dodge

2 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

The base will love her all the more for her gaffes. Those already voting for her won’t change their minds even if she goes completely blank again or even drools.

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

She will appeal to the women who don’t read anything too deep. She will appeal to rednecked men. She will appeal to people most of us have absolutley nothing in common with. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Lol.

2 10 2008
Kwachie

wooohoooo …. she’s slippin’ into gibberish!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

oh no she is blowing it!

2 10 2008
tspey

Oh this should be good. Warming is caused by… God right? Or is it Putin rearing?

2 10 2008
RLS

I think Gwen needs to either pull them back to the question or point out that they are not answering. I don’t think this is going all the well for either one.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Didn’t she just attribute human beings to climate change?

2 10 2008
Anonymous

Climate change is felt most in Alaska? Tell that to the MILLIONS of people affected by the massive hurricanes that are coming more often to the Gulf States.

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

I actually cannot stand the blatant lies. Looking right into the camera and bald-faced lying.

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

Wow what a BS Artist

2 10 2008
Denise

She is tossing as mush out as she can. Not a cohesive flow. See what sticks.

2 10 2008
tspey

So Climate Change = tapping into local energy? WTF???

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Other countries don’t care so much about the climate as we do????
Come on…

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

HA! How can you have a solution if you do not know the causes???

Stick it to McCain;s voting record.. yeah!!

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

She has noooooo idea about how much the US pollutes compared to the rest of the world – argh!!!! Just that will lose anyone who did like her in Europe. Got lost in a blizzard of words after that

2 10 2008
Juneauite

Did anybody notice that she doesn’t want to admit what she said about the climate change being man made.

It’s almost as if she is trying to steer the topic back to Energy again because that is the only thing that she knows.

2 10 2008
Denise

Bet this debate does not change minds of voters.

2 10 2008
Maddie

She’s doing better than I hoped. Have to listen to the radio, –can’t stand looking at her.

Puhlease, -can’t stand listening to her B.S. about environmental issues…

McCain. Palin. Must. Not. Win…….

2 10 2008
Camielle

Wow, she is not even answering the questions. I guess their plan is just to allow her to dictate the questions how she see’s fit. She just totally decided not to defend McCain’s vote on the bankruptcy vote and switched to energy. I am surprised that Gwen didn’t focus her back on that question.

2 10 2008
BigSlick

Global Warming – affects Alaska most? Uh, its a GLOBAL phenomena!

2 10 2008
biglake

Another good one Joe – remind us all about the real causes of climate change – and positive, clean solutions (although we need Even More)
And drill, baby, drill is not the solution

2 10 2008
plwalsh

They both sound overprepared.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

drill baby drill – drink!

2 10 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

Oh my god. Not “drill baby drill” again. I am so sick of that one.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Drill baby drill… why am I up at this time of the morning?

2 10 2008
judi

Oh my God she just said ‘Drill Baby Drill”…………………

2 10 2008
J T

Wow, they accuse Biden of rambling on and on…..I think he met his match in rambling!

2 10 2008
Denise

Oh yeah. She is all over Energy. She must be trying to play to Alaska’s strength.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Senator O’Biden

2 10 2008
Kwachie

Senator O’Biden???? lololol

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

Senator O’Biden ?

2 10 2008
elizlucinda

Sarah looks like a “Chatty Kathy doll” If you pull her string…she babbles

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

nucular! DRINK!

2 10 2008
Denise

Did PALIN just say RAPING? As in RAPE KITS!!!!!!!!

2 10 2008
BigSlick

Environmentally friendly drilling?

What is she smoking?

2 10 2008
Kwachie

YAY! Nukular!!!! Chugalug!

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

LOL

2 10 2008
sphinx

Holy smokes. Drill baby Drill. Double shot.

2 10 2008
GlitterGirl

wish Gwen would pull them in as some one esle said and call them when they don’t answer

2 10 2008
From New Mexico

Can we talk about a different subject?

2 10 2008
Misfit

DRILL DRILL DRILL, melt more of the ice caps, kill more of the wildlife, kill off our natural resources……. the MCPALIN ENERGY DREAM…..

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Tiny Footprints… I don’t think so…

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

Brit Abroad — I suggest Directors Club. Oh wait, you’re abroad. Sorry. nvm

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

brace yourself…………..

2 10 2008
Gina

Is there a wire under her jacket?

2 10 2008
sphinx

Same sex couples. This ought to be good.

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

GAYS Freaky Bitch

2 10 2008
Denise

hirngabel, Palin’s a good debater. She has memorized scripts written by someone else. She does poorly in interviews because or no scripts and lots of follow up questions.

She reminds me of Bush. GAG.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

YEAH! JOE on fairness and equal protection for Gays…

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

she is off the track……….stumble stumble

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

gggrrrrr… I’d like to stick a wet hairball in her ear!! Answer the damn questions!! Stop sticking your stump speaches into the debate!! It’s a freeking debate not stump speach time!!

2 10 2008
Denise

Oh yeah. Tolerant of gay lifestyles. CURE THE GAYS is her church drive.

2 10 2008
tspey

Hmmm… Assembly of God members are turning blue. Hypoxia? No same sex Palin?…

2 10 2008
RLS

Wow…she seems to be stumbling a little on same sex stuff.

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Duck and Dive…

2 10 2008
pdx mb

she’s practically choking on tolerant…

2 10 2008
nunya

“Traditional marriage” ho hum…. Oh, here it comes, “my gay friend made a choice”

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

Sorry hit to soon
She’s babbling on this

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

ok She supports GAY RIGHTS!! Same as Obama!

LOL that will spin republicans…

2 10 2008
Denise

Joe following up on no civil rights distinction.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

she didn’t answer that question

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

I think that’s her invisible gay friend.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

I’d say she is down to a C+.

2 10 2008
Misfit

I see a wire each time they show her from the side.. Her coach is not far away

2 10 2008
tspey

Joe should have called her on her recently former church ‘curing’ gay & lesbians. Good point Denise.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Oh, exit strategy… this should be interesting. She is just listing talking points.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Answer the bloody question!!!

2 10 2008
Denise

SURGE. Oh yeah. Here it comes. Pitting Joe against Obama on surge.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

ok WHAT is the plan???

2 10 2008
RLS

Gag…Surge, Eye-rak, waiting for Victory…..

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

OMG I just realized She’s my EX on steroids

2 10 2008
diana

somone said she does have a wire coming out of her right ear, hair is down???

2 10 2008
hirngabel

@Denise
She indeed seems to be quite a good debater – in this very strict scheme. I would have loved to see a discussion rather than a debate. But that’s probably what most people here would prefer, I guess…

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

Oh, please god, will someone teach the Bimbo how to say EAR-ack, not EYE-rak. Early withdrawel? Speak to fist Dud. He failed the lesson as did Levi.

2 10 2008
STNY

How does Sarah Palin know about early withdrawal?

2 10 2008
plwalsh

You can see why they limited the response time for this debate.

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

She does not know the difference between “exit strategy” and “surge.”

duhhh. …

How can we win in Iraq when neither “win” nor “victory” have been defined? Initially, “win” was the removal of Saddam; that being the case, why is the US still in Iraq?

2 10 2008
Denise

She looks a little vacant. Her eyes. A little like a gorgeous newscaster reporting the evening news. Words. Nothing behind them at times.

2 10 2008
The Jokal

shame on them all for the marriage rights nonsense.

2 10 2008
biglake

Please define Winning in Iraq

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

I’m glad Joe got her on the McCain voting against funding-

2 10 2008
J T

She didn’t understand about visitation in hospitals for gays. It has to do with a gay couple being allowed the same rights as a spouse…which is a different thing than a “visit” as she took it.

2 10 2008
Denise

STNY, you are toooo funny.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

she should stumble now

2 10 2008
Juneauite

Anybody doing the Palin Bingo?

I got Alaska, Maverick, Reformer, Ummm, Track

Did I miss anything?

2 10 2008
Misfit

HEAR HEAR!!!! Let’s rebuild our own country with 10 billion a month!!!

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

oh… stuck… mwahahahahahah… she must have a feed!

2 10 2008
STNY

OMG, the surge worked! Everybody, the surge worked! What planet is she on?

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

someone must be talking in her ear, that was obvious

2 10 2008
cmac

what iraq “victory”???
she is a dork

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Ask her what = victory.

Commander in Chief is the one who is ultinately responsible- with advice of generals- but STILL CIC is the final say.

2 10 2008
Gina

Was “nucular” on the bingo board?

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Victory is in sight? You gotta be kidding me. Does she really believe this?

2 10 2008
Laurie

I am disappointed. Ifil is not taking control of this debate at all. This is a free for all….

2 10 2008
Denise

hirngabel, as far as preference, I wish it was like parliament. Nah. The public gets no say about the way debates are done. The candidates negotiate with the sponsors.

2 10 2008
RLS

Just throw out all the Eye-rak talking points see what sticks….

2 10 2008
STNY

Mayor should be on Bingo. And Heckuva

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

Surrender MY big white BUTT

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Biden is so nice!!!! Sort of OT, but there you go…

2 10 2008
biglake

McCain not only voted against equipment for the troops…..but against Returning Needs.
This really needed a follow up question for clarification

2 10 2008
Misfit

Ah She should have asked Palin that question first…

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

she looks like she is trying to mindmeld with her notes. She will run out at somepoint.

2 10 2008
judi

Early withdrawal……could she have learned about that from Todd?

2 10 2008
Denise

Gwen Ifel broke her ankle 2 days ago. Me, when I broke both bones in my ankle, I was still in the hospital after surgery at this point. Maybe it is the drugs Ifel is on, or the pain, or the Repub attack on the Referee (her) before the debate.

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

C-span has side by side shots showing all

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

the end of Charlie Wilson’s War – never happen

2 10 2008
nunya

gah, Joe???

Ex-CIA Operative Discusses ‘The Devil We Know’
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95285396

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

NUKULAR! Drink

2 10 2008
Denise

biglake, you are right. All McCain does when his veterans voting comes up is POW.

2 10 2008
STNY

Oh no, here we go. Israel.

2 10 2008
RLS

Yes… I don’t think Gwen is really sharp tonight. She needs to followup more.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@ hirngabel (17:41:36) : This is not really, even auf Amerikaner, a debate. More like parallel soundbites. We (well, to be precise, I) don’t like the format; it is all that any candidates will ever agree.

2 10 2008
BullwinkleCringing

Agree on Charlie Wilsons War

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

THE CASTRO BROTHERS are you kidding me. They can’t put up a fight without having to go the CAN every 10 min.

2 10 2008
Denise

McCain gets a 20 from the disabled vets of America; Obama gets an 85. Why isn’t that on a TV ad in every swing state?

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Is she reading this stuff?

2 10 2008
Misfit

LOL Now she is just showing off all the names she learned how to pronounce

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

Sorry, “Amerikanisch”.

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Yeah, Talking to people is reaaaally dangerous…

2 10 2008
RLS

WTF…. we are talking about Castro now??????

2 10 2008
sphinx

That President guy over there in eye ran is down right dangerous! What is he, Yosemite Sam?

2 10 2008
biglake

Oh yeah, just a bit of a chat with good ol’ Henry Kissinger recently……

2 10 2008
tspey

DID she just say respect for women’s rights? incest… rape…

2 10 2008
plwalsh

I think Ifill is tied up by the debate format agreement.

2 10 2008
Denise

Did she really just say those who hate what we stand for? BUSH

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

OBAMA never said that! Pants on fire re president sitting down!

2 10 2008
Juneauite

Did anybody hear her say almost the same line that McCain used on Obama about “naivete” and “downright dangerous” ?

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

oh, wahhhhh… she lost me…

2 10 2008
Gina

I thinks she’s being fed notes.

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

Obviously, if McCain and Palin are elected, the United States will be at war with many countries for decades to come. What a pleasant scenario. Another pack of hate-filled warmongers just itching to fight, fight, fight. Just what the world needs. More of the same. Scorched earth with McCain and Palin and screw the rest of the world. Thanks, but no thanks.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

come on Joe say it…………..bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran

2 10 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

BINGO on card 2!

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

From the rest of the orld, thank you Joe Biden…

2 10 2008
hirngabel

@strangelet
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
But our “chancellor debates” are even worse and more stiff.

PS: “Amerikanisch” is indeed correct. =)

2 10 2008
sphinx

SPAIN!!! Gotta love it.

2 10 2008
Denise

I wish Biden would say BUSH/McCain over and over and over.

McBUSH

2 10 2008
Misfit

Diplomacy is a bad thing? (scratching head in confusion)

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

Holocaust WTF? That was a stretch.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

More talking points.

2 10 2008
nikki

oh shit…i shoulda gotten a pool going at work for how many time she says NUKULAR. i guess that wasn’t in her debate prep.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

GO JOE!

2 10 2008
tspey

Why does she end her sentences with also?

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She hasn’t really answered a single question.

2 10 2008
cmac

My boyfriend bought this huge big screen tv and I have to say, having a 3 foot tall sarah palin head in my bedroom is REALLY FRIGHTENING!

Wish joe had a little more fire in his belly, though. He had some zingers early on. Ooh here it goes hitting on bush, that’d good. BUSH is why the world hates america.

2 10 2008
Denise

Hey I like the CSPAN split screen. Between times she is doing the smile and blink.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

At least Biden is answering the question.

2 10 2008
Mad Skillz, son

Dang, she can talk, but staying on topic is NOT her strong point. She’s hot, ya’ll.

2 10 2008
cmac

LOL did you see the eye roll and deep breath from joe!

2 10 2008
Blue in MT

It’s like she can’t be serious – ever.

2 10 2008
nikki

jeez alasakans…not only do i not want sarah palin in the white house…i think i’m starting to hope she doesn’t return to your governor’s mansion. i’m so sorry for y’all.

2 10 2008
Denise

I’m so encouraged to know we both love ISRAEL. PUHleez

2 10 2008
Misfit

I don’t think those war mongers will have us at war for decades, they’d push that button long before that

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

I have to admit – what’s with this Israel obsession? Who’s in the driver’s seat here?

2 10 2008
tspey

ANSWER THE QUESTION also!!!

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

ewwww… she literally makes me cringe. Agreeing with Biden I expected her to give him a double thumbs up. Talking points talking points..

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

WHAT wasn’t this a follow-up question on the middle east (mavrick drink)

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

thoughtful diplomacy!! Biden is strong here! He is forceful and knows what he is talking about…

Blame game?? no looking back- when McCain is 90% same as Bush…

she is snarky again

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Wow, now that’s one hell of a NON-answer…

2 10 2008
Denise

When I listen to her, she is reapeating the same phrases over and over. Not really addressing any issue other than energy.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

I’d she has been expectations, which means better than a disaster.

2 10 2008
Misfit

She is sounding snarky again,

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

take it to the hoop Joey

2 10 2008
RLS

Joe getting into it now….. How different than Bush..

2 10 2008
Bella the Bunny Girl

She’s exceeding “expectations” but any male candidate would be ripped to bloody shreds for such a lifeless regurgitation of stump speeches. She’s incapable of thinking on her feet.

Big problem – she’s used to the folksy cutesy poo crap and zingers getting big crowd pops, without that energy to feed off of, she’s flailing.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

beat that should have been

2 10 2008
Denise

Yeah. Joe said BUSH BUSH BUSH

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

I haven’t heard…

SNAP

I haven’t heard…

SNAP!

I haven’t heard…

SNAP!!!

score 3 for “O’biden” and minus 2 for Palin.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

I HAVEN’T HEARD IT EITHER!

and those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it….

NUKULAR X2 Drink drink

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Nuclear weapons… deep breath. This is the scary bit.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@hirngabel — you may have noticed that, as a nation, intellectual rigor is not at the top of our list of must-haves.

2 10 2008
Gina

Mad!

Good to see you. Get that cold shower ready😉

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Boy she is running from the nuclear question…

2 10 2008
nunya

Nookyular, drink!

2 10 2008
biglake

really need follow up questions
(negative) points to the republicans for getting their way on the format
and hurting the debate

2 10 2008
Faye

I keep expecting Palin to just start spouting a catch phrase (e.g., “What Choo Talkin’ ‘Bout Biden???”

SHAME ON HER and her shitty upspit Repub buzzword speak.

2 10 2008
Laurie

@stranglet….this isnt a debate to my way of thinking either. Its a ridiculous format

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

she is going over the script. she had to go back to points she missed. It really is like she is being prompted.

2 10 2008
tspey

Skirted the question on nucular button issue that scares the hell out of Americans in that Palin is 2nd in line to push them, also.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

Admit it, she hasn’t set fire to Gwen yet.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

NO one ever wins in Afghanistan.. KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!!
and ask the Russians…

2 10 2008
Laurie

lol…Joe is getting pissed

2 10 2008
sphinx

She’s like herding cats. You just can’t get her to answer the questions.

2 10 2008
RLS

Joe… getting better… answers the questions….

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@laurie — tell me about it. I’ve been watching them for forty years.

2 10 2008
twinkle toes aka Axe Diesel Palen

Parts of this remind me of the old SNL skit with Day Akroyd & Jane Curtain. I really want Joe to say the equivelent of “Jane, you ignorant slut…”

2 10 2008
Denise

YAAA! Joe just made a great comparison on the money spent on Afghanistan vs Iraq.

Good. Bring up the Iraq War/Bush

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Biden is winning on points. Palin is winning on not falling on her face.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

NO one ever wins in Afghanistan.. KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!!
and ask the Russians…

wow did she just imply that we have no NATO allies in Iraq? hmmm

2 10 2008
Juneauite

How many times do I have to listen to “NUCULAR”?

Come on! Who was her English teacher that thought her to say this word so wrong? Oh shoot! maybe she went to 12 different elementary schools like it took her 5 universities to get a degree…

2 10 2008
Denise

Joe needs to quit sighing. Won’t play well with some folks and REPUBS will spin it like a windmill to power all their windbag commentators. Let Palin stumble on her own.

2 10 2008
hirngabel

@strangelet
Don’t make yourself worse than you are. We have enough dumbasses of our own here. =)

And indeed I’ve met lot of very intelligent and reasonable Americans over the last years. (okay also quite a few people like Palin…)

2 10 2008
Denise

We had a cowboy village idiot for 8 years. Now are we gonna have a cute village idiot.

God save America.

2 10 2008
Misfit

Afghanistan is the only country we should have gone into in the first place. Iraq was simply a grudge George carried since daddy was in office. Good for Joe for pointing out the neglect that front has suffered

2 10 2008
Laurie

@plwalsh…I so hope you are right. I cant tell, cause I am just so frustrated with Palin and her snide tone and her smirks

2 10 2008
Misfit

cute village idiot? more like the bride of chucky

2 10 2008
abby

as a Jewish person, I’m really nauseated by her (and mccain’s) use of Israel as a flash point, I’m not stupid, you can’t convince me that because you watched a bit of Shoah (never again!!), you are all down with the Jews, oh, and that bit about Jerusalem, really, the people who get that won’t vote for you, trust me.

for those who haven’t seen it, check out Sarah Silverman’s piece, the greatshlep.com, f-ing hilarious!

2 10 2008
knikgoose

I think she’s got a wire. She keeps looking down while Biden speaks and she has a lump in her hair on the back left side…LOL.
No, seriously, it’s the way she just came out with “McLellan” and what was said today about the surge,…it was that high-school smirk that tells me she’s got some kind of help going on.

2 10 2008
syt

I KNEW that if an question about Africa, she would avoid it!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

I think they must teach advanced smirking in Republican school.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Wooo – he called it on Sudan. Can she find it on a map – nope – talks about something else….

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

aren’t we too cute… lol.. she should not go there.. supported it before I didn’t… omg she is JUST like that….

2 10 2008
Laurie

oh my god….did she just hear herself? Opposed before he was for? What the hell did she do?

2 10 2008
sphinx

I just love it how Biden’s not reacting to her absolutely nonsensical blabber.

2 10 2008
Kwachie

Is it fair to just sum up by saying, “I hate that bitch”?

2 10 2008
Blue in MT

Did I hear her say “Thanks but No Thanks?”

She’s got a good handle on “I was for it before I was against it.”

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

LOL back to energy!!

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Oh – Sudan to Alaska… hmmmm

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

I can no longer stomach this Bimbo Bobble-Head, a pretty face with a vacuous smile and vacuous skull. Good at memorizing and probably good at broadcasting, but nothing original in her head. Nothing at all. It should be obvious that she has talking points that she’s just sticking into a sentence wherever they might ‘sorta’ fit. Her brain is a bridge to nowhere!

2 10 2008
nunya

Oy, Bridge to nowhere Sarah?

2 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

Laurie I’m with ya on the smirks,

2 10 2008
nikki

if you’re in doubt about angels being real. i can arrange to change any doubt you’ll feel. wait’ll you see my gidget…you’ll want her for your valentine. you’re gonna say, she’s all that you adore, but stay away, gidget is spoken for, you’re gonna find…that gidget is mine!

if any screenwriters steal this idea for a Gidget Goes to Washington starring Sarah Palin…i don’t want a percentage…i just want a little credit.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

He is getting soooooooooo pissed

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

NoCalGal — total agreement. Afghanis could now be incinerated, but not beaten — unluckily their ground state is intolerant, women-are-chattel, religious fanaticism.

Juneauite — I remember seeing W, some years ago, refer to the “nuclear family”, and he pronounced “nuclear” correctly. I think some folks believe that the root of “nuclear”, in the energy/weapons sense, is “nuke”. Just one of those funny English pronunciations.

2 10 2008
Misfit

Snippy snarky snide snit!!!!!

2 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

she’s been muddling thru – hasn’t fall into tears yet — blew several points…..

And which war did John McCain win again???

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

Yeah, Joe!! Impose a no-fly zone over Darfur!! Do what gw hasn’t had the stomach to do and what McCain has opposed. And she apparently agrees.

We need a fact check here, AKM. Anyone up in Alaska in a position to verify her claim about divesting Alaska investments that might be doing business with the genocidal Sudanes government? Anyone know if her claims are true? Is there legislation in the pipeline, legislation she supports?

2 10 2008
tspey

Did we win Vietnam????

2 10 2008
plwalsh

There she goes again…

2 10 2008
elizlucinda

Yup..I agree..Joe has to stop sighing……but it has to be tough listening to Sarah preach at him about foreign policy.

She looks like a stepford wife……

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

John McCain knows how to win a war cus he has been there.. uhmmm we did NOT win Vietnam!

2 10 2008
marti

I agreee with Kwachie!!!

2 10 2008
RLS

I don’t think she has crashed and burned. People who watch this probably have not had their minds changed either way. I suspect if you go back and read the transcript, it would be clear that Joe did better, but nobody will want to do that.

2 10 2008
Bea

Sarah Palin is crashing the internet! Mudflats is the ONLY site I can get onto.

Hurray AKMuckraker!

2 10 2008
Camielle

I am so disappointed with this. Gwen is doing a terrible job!!!! She is not even making her answer the questions and she keeps starting her answers with talking points and then going off on a tangent about something else. You know everyone will say that she won the debate. Now I need a glass of wine. Obama’s numbers are going to go down after tonight. This is bad.

2 10 2008
biglake

Biden – solid, reasoned answers
Palin – talking points read from the cards she keeps shuffling
Well, she can always get a job in Las Vegas as a card dealer

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

McCain knows how to win a war????????????????????? all he learned was how to crash 3 or 4 planes and earn the name McNasty from his fellow classmates. These people cannot handle the truth.

2 10 2008
Denise

Hey, some openings over in the chat

Missing you

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She IS a stepford wife..

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

someone better check Joe for a mic after this. I can gaurantee if there is one and that sucker is turned on you are going to here some blue language!

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

mavrick – drink!

2 10 2008
Bea

Oh snap– ‘Bush Doctine!” GO JOE!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

The CNN pundits are giving her good points.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@abby — Silverman is indeed great, but mudpuppies should be notified that she is, in fact, F—ing great.

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

oh my… did she just wink?

Is she flirting with Joe Six Pack who’s already fallen asleep??

2 10 2008
Laurie

She will appeal to nobody but the base. They are done…her and McCain

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

wasilla Main street!! DRINK!!!

2 10 2008
MJ

Oh my Gawd — she just winked at the camera!!!!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

I keep forgetting what the question was. That must be her technique.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

Watch CH 13 or whatever PBS is for you all after this. David Brooks is on.. He gives a pretty fair post debate.

2 10 2008
tspey

THere is a huge bull moose across the street munching on crabapples.. Oh… what did Palin just blabber about?

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

I am so sick of the cutsie Ms. America BS

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

plwalsh – I thought it was just me…

2 10 2008
biglake

‘there you go again’
can she really be invoking reagan???????

2 10 2008
Laurie

somebody get the hook…this dolt needs to go

2 10 2008
Misfit

OMG did she really say “SAY IT ISN”T SO JOE” ???? and she brought up his dead wife too???? Cut her off at the knees now!!!!

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

NoCalGal — Gramps knows how to win a war because he was a prisoner for the entire duration of one.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Awwwww…. no…. she ‘s a cheerleader

2 10 2008
knikgoose

I gotta write Joe a thank you note for taking one for the team, here.
I have to go for a walk, NOW , because I want to smack her. Sheesh.
I can’t afford a new TV,…bein’ Joe Six-Pack and all. (And does she not know that the “g’ after ‘in” is pronounced?
The ‘cute’ talk is grating.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

What was the question??

2 10 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

doggone it!

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

This format is just plain silly. It’s a highschool ‘forum’. Question, and each get to answer, but no interchange, no talking with each other.

Well, we’ve found Daisy Mae – is Lil Abner anywhere around? My God, is this what our intellect has devolved to?

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

say it ain’t so Joe? Looking back.. OH! she is against NCLB.. Bush doctrine…

is she looking back? (JK)

2 10 2008
twinkle toes aka Axe Diesel Palen

OMG!!! Did she really give a “shout out” during the debate??!!??

2 10 2008
abby

SHE”S NOT F-ING MIDDLE CLASS , ok, deep breath. she has a million dollars in assets, that puts her outside the middle class, whether it be wasilla or washington, she doesn’t get to be ‘one of the folks’, what a douchebag

2 10 2008
Bea

Wait– did the potential President of the US, just give a ‘shout out’?????

*bangs head on desk*

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

oh yeah, joe’s wife will get her reward in heaven because she’s been a teacher for 30 years… what a patronizing comment.

Palin is right about one thing… schools need to better focus on properly educating their students… like state universities need to make sure their journalism graduates can speak coherently. Right, Sarah?

2 10 2008
abby

and stop with the winking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

oh Ahmadinejad cooo cooo booo booo you just have to get rid of those nasty old nukes sweetie

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Interesting. The focus group rating on her speech is totally flat at zero.

2 10 2008
Juneauite

A shout out?

I thought I was watching the VP debate not TRL?

Doggone it?

There are children watching woman!

2 10 2008
Bea

What’s up with the inserting of ‘so’ into random places in sentences???

2 10 2008
plwalsh

The focus group must be dead.

2 10 2008
Laurie

@VPflatearth…I agree. I wont be able to listen to the pundits after, because all of this is complete bullshit.

2 10 2008
tspey

Over 200 k per year not including the per diem she cashed in by staying in her own home in Wasilla for the past 2 years is not middle class.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

I think I really need to read the transcript, I think I am hearing crap I just want to be 100%

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

LOL She just agrred with Darth Cheney!!

2 10 2008
Misfit

I really enjoyed Joe’s statement on the VP, straight forward and clear…….

2 10 2008
Blue in MT

I really can’t follow her. It’s words, words, words but nothing strings together to form a thought. Is she speaking English?

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

This debate isn’t really going to change anything (time for 4am philosphy). She will still appeal to thse who really don’t understand what Biden is taking about. However, as an English teacher, I don’t understand what she’s talkin’ ’bout …

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Wow, that was a huge Cheney-Diss.

Like that.

2 10 2008
syt

Business owner?

2 10 2008
Spaz

She just mentioned being a business owner. How did I miss that before? What business has she owned?

2 10 2008
Bea

Oh WOW— she’s just spewing ‘verbage’ now!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Everyone but the Repubs loves what Biden is saying about Cheney.

2 10 2008
tspey

Palin has no regard for legislative branches (Troopergate) or ethics for that matter.

2 10 2008
Scotsgirl

Where do find the focus group?

2 10 2008
Spaz

Again with the business owner.

2 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

she hasn’t hit too many peaks on the audience poll line on cnn

2 10 2008
Bea

The business that Todd had to dissolve when Sarah was banging his co-owner.

2 10 2008
RLS

Did her car wash business fail…

2 10 2008
syt

She doesn’t know what an Achilles heel is, does she?

2 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

special needs — drink up

2 10 2008
biglake

again,
Biden has solid, reasoned votes
Palin – constantly referring to her cards
Good question about Cheney/VP by Gwen

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She is not answering the question again.

2 10 2008
Laurie

ffs…can she not answer even one question? What the hell is your achilles heel you friggen idiot.

2 10 2008
h59

um.. biz owner? Car wash? That’ll make a great VP …

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

oh, SNAP! Joe just yanked her panties off on the dickless cheney question. And her facial expression indicates she knows she just got spanked on her lack of knowledge about a basic constitutional matter.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

no offense – huge state – small population. Staten Island is may pass Alaska soon.

2 10 2008
abby

can we just take a minute and think about the fear that went through her eyes when the moderator asked about being a heartbeat away from the presidency. , that was actual terror, not scripted

2 10 2008
sphinx

Exceptionalism???

2 10 2008
Spaz

But did she own the business or did Todd?

2 10 2008
Bea

BS Sarah! You’re a millionaire!

2 10 2008
Misfit

OMG where are my wading boots?

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Focus group is totally flat on the Palin blather.

2 10 2008
Juneauite

Tolerance huh?

Can she tolerate abortion? Same sex rights?

Really?

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

A car wash business? In Alaska? The damned cars are frozen half the year. And from what I heard, the business died because they were in arrears paying their licence fees. She and Dud are about as astute in business as was What Me Worry Bush.

2 10 2008
Laurie

Please tell me the rest of you think she sounds like a fool…

2 10 2008
gran567

Check closely the small item on the right side of her glasses just above the ear. Suspicious? Don’t see it on the left.

2 10 2008
syt

She never answered the question on the Achilles heel! Aargh!

2 10 2008
Bea

Exceptionalism!

More Palinese!

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@JDHNYC — Staten Island has a smaller population than Alaska?

2 10 2008
plwalsh

There is also the fishing.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Syt I think you called it… hee hee

2 10 2008
Bea

CNN audience HATED Sarah’s BS mavericky ‘exceptionalism’

2 10 2008
abby

it’s not energy independance if you’re still drinking oil

2 10 2008
Juneauite

I read somewhere that their business got scrapped because she was cheating on her husband…

Personal life aside, the woman is annoying!!!

2 10 2008
Laurie

abby….she isnt scared of anything…she is a narcissist.

2 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Maverick (again) drink up

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@syt — She doesn’t know who Achilles is. Achilles who?? Achilles Six-Pack?

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

syt.. achilles heal… to her, that would be “oh that beautiful brad pitt!!” in her mind, that’s not a negative.

To the rest of us breathing, thinking people… well. yanno?

2 10 2008
Camielle

WOW good answer Joe, he actually got chocked up there. She still never answered the question about what her weakest trait is.

2 10 2008
Pat

PArty dogma! Can’t take another 4 years of nooo ku lar She IS BUSH!

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

No she’s lost meee. AKM has a great comment up there “Tina Fey has nowhere to go”.

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Maverick Maverick Maverick… then names more of the same…

He IS the man we need to leave….lol

2 10 2008
Stacie B

Biden just won the debate with the last answer…he showed a real human side talking about his kids and choking up. She is a cold-hearted B and it shows

2 10 2008
Bea

Good for you, Joe! Glad you didn’t let Sarah own the ‘parent’ mantle.

2 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

we’ve not got to allow???
hic

2 10 2008
GlitterGirl

she is a narcissist..amen and so is mc

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Honestly, the “Achilles heel” question is a very bad question. You cannot answer to this questions. That’s the same with usual application talks…

2 10 2008
tspey

Yep. Partisanship. She said it…

2 10 2008
abby

does anyone have a link to dial polls?

2 10 2008
Gina

Joe really got me with the talk about his wife and kids. He has compassion.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

yeah Staten Island is the only Borough of New York with a popluation smaller than Alaska. Bronx,Brooklyn,Manhattan, Queens all bigger.

2 10 2008
Juneauite

Did she just say that “he is the man that we need to leave?” referring to McCain

Ambition much, Sarah?

2 10 2008
Anne

She is wired…didn’t you catch the lapse when she started to talk then seemed to be listening then talked again.

Someone wipe that smirk off her face…she is doing the “poor old man” thing again. Biden is serious and she is acting like she is flirting with the audience.
Where is the Maalox?

What pipeline? Alaska hasn’t started to build it as far as I know so why does she say we are building?

2 10 2008
Kwachie

I’m just so sick of the world looking at our leaders and seeing people who can’t even speak the English language adequately.

And thank you, Joe, for calling McCain on the maverick bs.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Goooo Joe!!!! No maverick

2 10 2008
Badfinger

Mr. Biden, you were wonderful!

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

Laurie.. now, why you got to go and insult fools like that? 😉

2 10 2008
nunya

” Greed and corruption” zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Who is Rollins? He is giving Palin twice as many points as the other pundits.

2 10 2008
GlitterGirl

no maverick okay joe

2 10 2008
Juneauite

GO JOE!!!!

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

WTF is she babbling on about now? She has just meandered off into LaLa land and is making absolutely no sense whatsoever. Robotic rhetoric. Barbie Bimbo. Give her a mike and a radio station in the bush – she’ll entertain the moose all through the long dark Alaskan winters.

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Yeah, kill the “maverick”-lie…

2 10 2008
sphinx

Finally, Joe just had to cut her off on the maverick BS

2 10 2008
dowl

Good or bad–Biden tearing up referencing his badly injured sons?

2 10 2008
Juneauite

Her battery is running out…

Need a new battery Barbie Bimbo doll!

I

2 10 2008
sphinx

Quasi-caved. Another Palinism.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

What a feeble response from Palin.

2 10 2008
syt

I think she’s wired too.

2 10 2008
Gina

I think he showed his humanity. My husband’s kids were injured in the accident that killed their mother. It’s hard to recall, even 20 years later, without getting emotional.

2 10 2008
GlitterGirl

also also also yuk

2 10 2008
Laurie

@dowl…I think he teared up in context…it was fine as far as I am concerned. He is human. Now….the other one is stating she has never had to change her opinion. What a liar she is.

2 10 2008
Kim in Florida

Rollins is the guy with the boner

2 10 2008
Leesaann

Gee Whiz!! you FOLKS don’t think the wife of Joe Sixpack should be Vice pres???Heck and golly gee…bless yer hearts…

Wink…wink…cough cough gag gag

2 10 2008
tspey

Her Alaskan legislators hate her after this Troopergate mess.

2 10 2008
knikgoose

Wow. She’s really counting on that “up there in Alaska” dirty laundry to not show itself in the lower ’48

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Biden comes across as a real person.

2 10 2008
Michelle

you can see the bump on her back in certain camera shots. Of course she’s wired.

2 10 2008
Bea

Palin NEVER answers the question asked. But I guess she warned us she wasn’t going to….. *head bang on desk*

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Biden is winning on all the CNN analyst scorecards except for Rollins.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@Kim — excellent observation.

2 10 2008
tspey

She appoints people with no experience. Who will do anything (including break the law, ignore subpoenas) for her.

2 10 2008
The Jokal

Why does she hate America?

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Oh, she’s back on ALL her talking points

2 10 2008
Bea

Yay! Sarah gives a ‘shout out’ to the AIP!

2 10 2008
sphinx

Didn’t she appoint all her friends and family to government positions in “up there” in Alaska? Now she’s talking about bipartisan appointments.

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

Hey, troopergate is a bipartisan effort to hold her abuses in check, ain’t it? A real bipartisan effort she wants to derail.

As for her priorities as mayor, didn’t she kinda select between full funding of the police department vs. the building of an ice hockey arena? And she raised the sales tax in favor of the arena vs. the police department? Did I understand all that correctly?

With her son playing hockey, I can see why she’d use her position to get that hockey arena at tax payer expense, while at the same time not fully funding the police department because the cops might then actually be able to put a lid on his lawless behavior, eh?

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Glad Joe did not let her claim the parent thing.. he has a clear right to that

LOL MSM attack!! lol

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

HAHAHAHAHAH blame it on the media

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Did she just ask McCain’s camp t set her free???

2 10 2008
Blue in MT

I wish I were her average american family.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Blah, blah, blah.

2 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Choice on Nov. 4th — means no choice by Feb 1

2 10 2008
syt

Yep, the bump is really obvious. I can also see the thing on her glasses.

2 10 2008
Misfit

She has really concreted my choice tonight!!!! Vote Obama/Biden

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

Why would she appoint people with experience. Then they would have more experience than she.

2 10 2008
Laurie

stfu palin

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

MS America speech BARF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

I am sorry but I HATE PPL CITING REAGAN He should have been impeached over Iran/Contra.. it was treason!!!

2 10 2008
GlitterGirl

he’s a real gentleman

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She didn’t do so well with the focus group. They seemed really bored.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@Blue in MT — I don’t think you mean that. Perhaps you wish you had her average American family’s assets and income?

2 10 2008
biglake

perky, full of talking points
or
compassionate, thoughtful?
Plenty of support for both Palin and Biden, in their own realms

2 10 2008
tspey

Palin’s close was eerily similar to a Bush speech. Fear, fear and fear.

Biden is actually addressing the economy.

2 10 2008
Blue in MT

Home Run Joe!

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Oh, Joe is gooooood.

2 10 2008
Bea

Oh noes! The scary libruls are going to abolish FREEDOM!

Vote McScare/Pander!!!!!

*puke*

2 10 2008
keenobserver2

She forgot to say “…and world peace.”

2 10 2008
J T

I am proud of Biden. He did wonderful.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Great finish for Biden.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

NoCalGal — I hate to disagree with you, but Reagan shouldn’t have been impeached. He should have been shot.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

CH 13

2 10 2008
Laurie

I hope that Biden is declared the winner

2 10 2008
Juneauite

OBAMA BIDEN!!!!

2 10 2008
syt

Are all those youngin’s her kids?

2 10 2008
marti

Thank god this is over

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Immediate Swedish comment – it’s a draw… .

2 10 2008
syt

Cool, Bob Shieffer is calling her out on not answering questions!

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Biden won. HANDS down! She was better than ppl expected, but not better than we expected.. But she did not really answer questions.

Joe’s speech to the ppl was terrif! It was heartfelt and spoken to THE PEOPLE!

2 10 2008
Denise

Hey, back with ya’ll. I liked the way Joe was passionate at times. Genuine. Palin was blank too many times in the eyes.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

She goofed on the general in Afganistan.

2 10 2008
Laurie

Chris Matthews commenting about her stating that she wanted extended powers as VP….and that she wont give more interviews. He says this shows no humility…and this needs to be examined by the press

2 10 2008
Denise

She did about Like I thought she would, but no substance. What I feared was confirmed.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Think the Swedish commentator is changing his mind the more he rambles. Back to bed for a few hours now… see you later everyone

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

stranglet…lol..

shot impeached potato pototo…

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

“I’m not going to play by the rules and I want more power when I get into office.”

Chris Matthews on Sarah Palin.

Sound familiar, Alaskans? Isn’t that a great part of the reason there is that Troopergate investigation?

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Gergen says Biden gave best debate of life.

2 10 2008
ohiovoter

OMG….make it stop!!!! Can she grind her teeth anymore when she talks!! Joe was too much of a gentleman. Sarah puking out all of her Rovian answers. UHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

2 10 2008
nunya

Barf, Brokaw is talking her up

2 10 2008
tspey

Agreed Denise. Biden was genuine and a gentleman and the clear winner especially if substance is taken into account.

2 10 2008
Denise

Every Iraq and Bush was a winner. And CHENEY. I was THRILLED to hear that name.

2 10 2008
Blue in MT

@strangelet
Yes, the post was a lame attempt to point out how easy it must be to compare yourself to the Average American family before you’ve released your income taxes. And yes, if her definition of average is $250K per year, I wish I were average!

2 10 2008
plwalsh

They are BELGIAN potatoes!

2 10 2008
Laurie

They are also a bit pissed because there was no challenge to her. It was a pathetic actually….I am disgusted.

2 10 2008
Denise

SPIN…Repub,,there were two debates, energy and foreign policy, and PALIN WON ENERGY….NOT…all she did was dodge questions with Energy

2 10 2008
syt

Did she say that she wouldn’t do any more interview?

2 10 2008
Jojo

Stepford just called, he wants his wife back.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

They are trashing her now on CNN on not answering questions.

2 10 2008
Mogul218

David Gergen just had a freudian slip on CNN and called her Sarah Failin. LMFAO!!!!!!

2 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Joe did a GREAT job and once again, Palin didn’t answer the question.

2 10 2008
Laurie

lol…rachel maddow didnt like her folksiness. said she came across as cartoonish…and mean

2 10 2008
Kim in Florida

Love Sarah Maddow! Called Palin’s folksiness “frenetic, and cartoonish!”

2 10 2008
Denise

SPIN… REPUB—SHE HELPED THE PARTY TONIGHT/ Terrific job

2 10 2008
sphinx

Geraldine Ferraro says both won. Tom Brokaw gushing about Palin’s folksiness.

2 10 2008
Prole Art Threat

UK here – Biden utterly destroyed Palin. She didn’t answer a single question, constantly dodged the issues and didn’t offer a single strategy or any real insight on any of the important issues mentioned. It’s a sad enditement of America today that such a political (and mental) lightweight could be a heartbeat away from the most powerful position in the world.

2 10 2008
Laurie

pat buchanen…what a jerk. He says she wiped the floor with biden

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Not a game changer I would agree.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

I suggest not paying too much attention to the “pundits'” scorecards. I’ve been a Democrat my whole life, and I wouldn’t change my vote if Joe had come out and mooned Gwen. I presume that my benighted mirror-images would only gasp momentarily if Palin had ripped down the flag bunting and defecated on it.

If any minds are changed, it will be among the legitimately undecided (not the “I’m undecided because I don’t want to admit I can’t vote for a Black guy”).

I’m hopeful that the 5% or so of viewers that are really still on the fence will notice that Joe actually knew what he was talking about, while Sarah — on most topics — was spitting out the garbage she had been fed, even though she regurgitated pretty well.

There’s never yet been a VP debate that significantly affected the status of the election.

2 10 2008
Jerry

I am looking forward to Saturday Night Live and Tina Fey’s next skit.

2 10 2008
knikgoose

I thought she was patronizing and condescending when she did her “direct to the american people” bits. Especially that cutesy crap, with the winkin’ and blinkin’, and the ‘ya’s instead of “you’s.

2 10 2008
syt

For those watching CNN (I have no cable), how was the people tracking thing overall?

2 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Thank God, I’m glad this is over. I’m so proud of Joe. I may have to go cast my vote tomorrow (yes, we have early voting in Georgia!).

2 10 2008
NoCalGal

Maddow caught the winking,….lol

I love Rachel

2 10 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Buchanan says Palin was spectacular — wow — guess he just “WATCHED” not listened to her answers

2 10 2008
Gina

Prole Art Threat (18:41:15) :

UK here – Biden utterly destroyed Palin. She didn’t answer a single question, constantly dodged the issues and didn’t offer a single strategy or any real insight on any of the important issues mentioned. It’s a sad enditement of America today that such a political (and mental) lightweight could be a heartbeat away from the most powerful position in the world.
___________________________________________________________________________

And even sadder that many Americans don’t care. They aren’t looking for substance. But many of us DO care. Go Obama/Biden!

2 10 2008
Pat

UK If she wins I’m coming over. I can’t take 4 years of her!
SHe just wiggles & winks instead of understandint the issues.

2 10 2008
Mad Skillz, son

She was prepped well, and came across as smooth, BUT that’s when she answered the questions she wanted to answer. Biden answered all of them, and his performance was good. He remained a gentleman and didn’t go for the kill. Now, America will want to hear more from her – and realize she’s just a one-trick pony when Maddow interviews her (I know, it will never happen).

Seriously, a trained monkey could do the same thing. I wanna see her unscripted and see how great she does.

Still, she survived and held her own.

2 10 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Oh, and I’m so glad she didn’t pick up on Iran being a theocracy and Amawhatever is only a figurehead. Go, Joe

2 10 2008
nothoney

I only got four squares at bingo. Anyone get a “palin”?

s.

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

Pat Buchanan is gushing over Palin on MSNBC… he’s got about as many living brain cells as does McCain. Maybe she was flirting with him.

Buchanan must also think that civil war general, McClellan, is still alive and riding horses in Afghanistan. He has nothing to say about her re-interpreting the constitutional definition of vice presidential powers.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

On CNN the tracking thing was at zero most of the time Palin was on. Sometimes went up with Biden.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@Brit Abroad — well, Swedes, eh? (I’m 3/4 Norsk)

2 10 2008
rlglendinning

on MSNBC: Pat Buchanan declares that Palin was sensational…the most attractive debater by far…um, didn’t realize it was a beauty contest…lol.

2 10 2008
tamarack

Anonymous blog comment on Palin’s performance tonite:

“That was like a job interview at Dairy Queen.”

2 10 2008
GJ in Idaho

I just got time out of the chat room…can’t get back in to many chatters…way to go…Biden…he is winning in the points polls

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Focus group overwhelmingly voted just now Biden won.

2 10 2008
Denise

Palin had no substance. She loved the camera,,,when she remembered her lines

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

“Spectacular” == she was wearing glasses.

2 10 2008
sphinx

Focus Group on CNN overwhelmingly thought Biden won.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

CNN focus group is dumping on Palin.

2 10 2008
Gina

Some guy from Idaho just said Sarah answered more questions, an Biden went off topic! Puh lease.

2 10 2008
Denise

Folksy…. if that is the best people vote for, then we are in deep doodoo

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

Buchanan has reached previously unexplored levels of irrelevance.

2 10 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

@ Strangelet… yup, I think he was the only bloke they could drag off the street at 4.30 in the morning and they’re just claiming he was a political commentator. At least he was sober…

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Focus group is saying that the debate swung most of them to Obama/Biden. They loved Biden.

2 10 2008
hirngabel

Germany here:

No reaction so far – since nobody’s really covering except one channel, which I can’t see.

But personally I think, as far as I understood the content, she really didn’t have a lot of substance in her answer, while Biden was really good and not to eager to attack her.

But I must admit that I didn’t have a high opinion of Palin before and I really think the USA NEEDS a change away from the Bush-ish politics.
I’m working for a couple of American tourism companies and also a couple of American states and regions, and from my point of view, for more tourism to the States, USA needs Obama. McCain would be aaah more of the same.

2 10 2008
Minnesota Mudflats Fan

anyone else catch this bit of irony — the first commercial on NBC at the end of the debate — brought to you by Exxon Mobil. How fitting — McCain gives them tax breaks, they buy the air time…

Thank you Exxon for reinforcing the Obama-Biden message!!!!

2 10 2008
Denise

Anybody get tipsy from shots on Maverick?

2 10 2008
plwalsh

The people who decide tonight leave the CNN panel. About half left tonight to vote for Obama.

2 10 2008
Kim in Florida

Biden wins debate on MSNBC poll and Cnn focus group

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

Olberman at 11. Leno and Letterman tape too early to make good comments about the debate tonite.

Time to read AKM’s live blog, above.

2 10 2008
JDHNYC

Biden got the point for substance she got points for not passing out

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

Denise – if you’d quit hogging the shots, I’d happily get drunk with you.

Just don’t invite Palin.

2 10 2008
Pacificnwgal

Okay. Biden was great. Love him. He was right on about most everything. Palin, in my opinion, was distracting with her strange expressions, distorting facts again, condescending to Biden, flirting with him, talking like a little girl, and not very informative. The health care issue is a BIG one. McCain’s idea of taxing healthcare benefits will be devastating to all of us. It will be a huge game changer for me and most others on the edge. I will have to get an additional job to cover that tax. This is horrifying in itself. Most people should be alarmed at this as THE MAJOR REASON NOT TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN.

2 10 2008
Gina

Denise (18:50:34) :

Anybody get tipsy from shots on Maverick?

“nucular” did me in!

2 10 2008
sphinx

Let’s see if Buchanan can sleep on some of his comments before he makes a complete ass of himself on Morning Joe tomorrow.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

Interesting that more of the CNN “uncommitted” panel decided on the basis of the VP debate than on the Prez debate— about half the panel went for Obama and only one for McCain.

2 10 2008
plwalsh

I think the Republicans are breathing a sigh of relief but looks like this debate is not going to do much for McCain.

2 10 2008
Jan Arnold

Rollins – suck up republican talking head

2 10 2008
hirngabel

One question, that really bugs me:

Do Americans really vote for someone “who is like us”?? Why would they do this?

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

oh mah gawd, Kim!! Did you say ‘boner’ up there??? hahahahaaaa…. oh, you bad girl hahahahaaaa

2 10 2008
syt

Glad to hear that those focus groups saw through her lack of substance and question dodging. P.S. Tom Brokaw sucks! What a tool.

2 10 2008
Denise

REPUBS trying to say Joe was PROFESSORIAL

Genuine Joe is what I saw, well prepared

2 10 2008
plwalsh

If the CNN focus group is any indication, this debate was a disaster for McCain.

2 10 2008
sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin

hirngabel… Sarah Palin is not just like us… most of us are uglier but smarter. Except for Tina Fey, who is smarter and prettier.

Way prettier.

If Pat Buchanan watched a debate between Tina Fey and Sarah Palin, he’d declare Fey the winner because she’s way more attractive.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

I missed this, but AKM caught it, and I’m gonna have to research it to see if my memory is faulty: She stated that Petraeus characterized Iraq as “the central front of the War on Terror”. I don’t recall it that way; I think Bush came up with that phrase.

I’ll admit I’m not sure, but happily the tubez provide a way to find out.

2 10 2008
Denise

Old men, well, when I saw McCain with her on interview, looked like Grampa with granddaughter…maybe Brokaw same. More likely, just trying to keep Repub viewers.

2 10 2008
aka Mustache Warthog Palin

If I have to hear the words “again” “also” “then too” ONE MORE TIME, I’m absolutely going to explode. So again, if I hear those words, also, again, a few more times, but then too, jobs, taxes and wink shucks, again.

KABOOM!

2 10 2008
akmuckraker

New Open Thread for Debate Discussion is Up!

2 10 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

The real disaster for McCain will be when that Rolling Stone article makes the rounds, off the internet and actually into the hands of people. It is damning and devastating and pulls no punches. His mask is torn off and we see what has been hiding behind it for years.

2 10 2008
GJ in Idaho

Well what do you think the Repub ads will be saying tomorrow? …”Palin wins!” The base love her folksyness…she is just such a great “sixpack”.

Oh, why don’t they drop that line? Joe Sixpack is insulted too.

2 10 2008
strangelet (I need a new Palin name)

@Denise — “Professorial” will only work as a diss with the base, anyhow.

Geez, you should hate him for knowing what he was talking about.

2 10 2008
Mogul218

Eye-raq, Eye-ran, and Nukular. Nuff said.

2 10 2008
Denise

Gina, imagine a televised talk between Palin and Bush on energy…HA HA

2 10 2008
A Nana from Alaska

Economy–Biden
Environment–Biden
Foreign Policy–Biden
Answers the Questions Asked–Biden
Supreme Court Justice Appointments and Ideology–Biden
Role of the V.P. (Cheney dangerous)–Biden
Supports his/her running mate–Biden
Got the facts right–Biden
Human Compassion–Biden
Health Care–Biden
Taxes–Biden
Closing Comment–Biden

Did I miss anything? Please continue.

3 10 2008
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