Palin Delays Financial Disclosure Until After Debate.

25 09 2008

After the unbearably painful performance by Palin during her recent interview with Katie Couric, it’s obvious to most that she is not ready for the Vice Presidential debate next week. Whether the interview is the reason, or only part of the reason that McCain has fled his own debate with Barack Obama scheduled for Friday isn’t entirely clear. The McCain camp has requested that the Presidential debate be moved to the date of the Vice Presidential debate, conveniently delaying the Vice Presidential debate to an unknown date in the future. Presumably this will give Palin some much-needed extra time to bone up on all the things she would have learned if she had ever studied or participated in international diplomacy, and matters outside the state of Alaska.

It’s also not clear yet, whether this “delay tactic” is going to work. Barack Obama has said that if McCain doesn’t show up to the debate, he’ll be there to hold a Town Hall meeting instead, leaving the Vice Presidential debate to go on as scheduled. Interesting…

“Delay” is apparently the theme of the day for our Republican VP nominee. Today we hear that Palin has requested, and received a four day extension for the disclosure of her personal finances. The new release date for these forms? October 3rd, the day AFTER her scheduled debate with Joe Biden.

Trevor Potter, general counsel for the McCain-Palin campaign, told the FEC that the campaign initially thought it had until Oct. 4 to file the report but then learned the FEC set an earlier due date.

Oops. They forgot to check the date. Those silly McCain people… I bet they felt really stupid.

But now that they’ve got their dates straight, they’ve got to tread very carefully with this one. Ask indicted Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, who is facing seven felony counts for filing false financial disclosure forms. Ask Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich who just got in a little hot water himself because his federal and state forms didn’t match.

[The forms will] show whether she and her husband, Todd, hold any mortgages for real estate investments, and roughly how much any property held for investment purposes is worth. The financial reports that Sarah Palin filed as Alaska governor list property the couple held at that point, but not how much it was worth; how much, if any, profit they made on real estate sales; or how much, if any, mortgage debt they held.

Such information is a standard part of the personal financial disclosure reports that members of Congress, administration officials and federal candidates must file each year. The reports allow the public to see whether politicians may be receiving favorable financial treatment from people with issues before government or have any potential conflicts of interest. They also offer a glimpse of their ability to manage their personal finances.

Another extension may be filed, but the last possible date for the extension is October 6. Will there be any interesting little surprises there? Forensic accountants, sharpen your pencils, clean your glasses and circle the day on your calendar. You’re on!


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25 09 2008
drchill

Apparently her Openness and Transparency is for when its convenient.

25 09 2008
Icy Russia Palin

This is the major leagues now, Sarah. Still not blinking?

25 09 2008
jimstaro

It’s really hard keeping up with this lady, No wonder the Mac Camp, abd especially the GOP, never vetted her:

Palin kept donations from tainted politicians

Sarah Palin felt so strongly about the public corruption indictment of a Republican state senator this summer that she urged him to resign — but not strongly enough to return the $1,000 he gave to help elect her governor.

25 09 2008
Tamy

I am so glad you brought this up, and that she will HAVE to release financials before the election. I was wondering if she would/could fancy up her numbers to look less corrupt, or if it’s possible. Obviously, if it can be done, the Repubs are pros at it. I don’t know what I am more excited about, the VP debate, the outcome of Troopergate, or the financial goodies. Man this is exciting stuff, you just can’t make this up if you wanted to. I applaud the McCain camp for giving us such a truckload of scandals to choose from. I think even the feeble minded are becoming aware of the stupid pet tricks from the Palin/McCain circus.

25 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

I am shocked. Shocked! Sarah, where is the bottom? How many more days before you reach it?

25 09 2008
JoeAlvord aka Spoon Archer Palin

*****FREE MCCAINISTAN*****

The McCain people have taken over our state! Call the dept of law in the capitol and you get the McCain Campaign! Call the governor’s office and you get the McCain Campaign. They have brought lawyers from out of state to interfere with a legal investigation. (Incidentally many of them are practicing law in alaska without an Alaskan license, which is illegal.) They even have their own propaganda wing (ironically called the “Truth Squad”) to spread their lies. One of the lies is about the supposed 30 Obama lawyers in the state when the only outside lawyers are their own.
Don’t be mistaken. George Bush is not President in anything other than name. He is a hollow shell being run by a crowd of shadowy people who have just about sucked this country dry. Now the same crew is running the hollow shells called John McCain and Sarah Palin and is currently occupying our state of Alaska (aka McCainistan.)
Thank God for heroes like Les Gara and Mudflats who are standing up to these criminals. I fear for our country. We must all take heart and do what we can. I hope to see all of you mudpuppies who can make it to go out to the park strip for the Hold Palin Accountable rally on Saturday, 9/27 from noon to 2:00. Make great signs and show everyone that we want our state back.

25 09 2008
SoCal Bob.

I will bet that Sarah seeks medical attention before and after any future interviews with the press. Her confidence must be shattered after two disasters.

25 09 2008
Mad Skillz, son

The best anti-Bush sign I’ve seen yet explains this – Bush in a skirt!

25 09 2008
Mark

Let’s not forget that the Palin’s owned a FAILED business. It was a car wash, I think. I wonder how they ‘disposed’ of that failure.

25 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

Palins confidence will not be shattered, she is such a narcissist that she doesn’t get that she doesn’t get it.

25 09 2008
chicago

Since she won’t give us any real info herself here’s a link to a new article about Palin on msnbc called The Lost Palin Files…

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/25/1448411.aspx

25 09 2008
LibertyLover

Quick, gotta make those per diems disappear.

“poof”

25 09 2008
Sam aka Blaster Commando Palin

Tamy – sorry to inform you that a Republican I spoke to yesterday says she “likes Sarah Palin.” Apparently the “feeble minded” think we and the MSM are just trying to make her look bad. Made me feel depressed…so of course, I had to read Mudflats for an hour or so to feel better!

25 09 2008
syt

I’m still in shell shock after yesterday’s events. I can’t believe these people! I am curious to see her financial holdings; it sound like Dude has had some different businesses going over the years.

I also hope that this debate debacle plays out well for Obama. Looks like this is not the first time that JM pulled this debate stunt–he did it when he was losing to GW. The simiarities and excuses are eerily similar.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2000/02/28/MN62687.DTL&hw=mccain+opinsky&sn=001&sc=1000

25 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ Mark
Sarah’s failed businesses won’t bother her supporters any more than GWB’s multiple ones did. And he had an MBA degree, not just a BA in journalism.

25 09 2008
Dee

Just a wonderment here on my part, but IF the McCain people had PROPERLY vetted Ms. Palin before offering her the potential of becoming the Vice President of The United States, wouldn’t they have also gone through all her “financials” and made sure that ALL the proper forms were ready to be PROPERLY filled out and filed with the PROPER authorities? Hmmmm?

25 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ Mark
An MBA from Harvard, no less!

25 09 2008
Sam aka Blaster Commando Palin

haha – SoCalBob…no way is Sarah’s confidence “shattered.” Remember, she is the one who never blinks.

If she had any self-doubt or humility (or self-awareness, for that matter), she would not have accepted the VP nomination. Her confidence is almost robotic.

25 09 2008
Edna_Mode

The one bright spot in this mess is that the charges of sexism against Palin has given the perfect opportunity for female journalists to come out swinging. It is really gratifying to hear Campbell Brown and Katie Couric, and the women on “The View” to demonstrate that women are perfectly capable of strong rigourous questioning and excellent journalism, and aren’t there to just pretty up the set.

Now if they’ll be accepted for this kind of hard style, driving journalism AFTER Failin’, that’s what I want to know.

25 09 2008
NoCalGal

Regardless of the “outrage” expressed by SP’s supporters- the MSM needs to hound her for these records and the medical records (and McCain’s medical records too). THAT is their job, and we have a right to know.

If those who blindly support her cannot see what is going on, then so be it. They are lost to anything resembling rational thought. The rest of us must shoulder the burden.

RELEASE ALL RECORDS!

and BTW watched some more of the Couric interview.. whew.. talk about your blizzard of words THAT SAY NOTHING! OMG it was beyond awful.

To those with republican friends who still support SP, have you sat with them and watched these clips, one by one, and then asked them to explain to you what her answer was…

UN BE LIEVEABLE!

Thank the PTB for Mudflats!

25 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

UK Lady, you are right. A narcissistic personality disorder is one of the worst ones to deal with. I know. I lived with one. They NEVER think they are wrong. They NEVER blink. Even when the rug gets pulled out from under them, they get up and, like a cat, say “I meant to do that”. They conveniently ignore facts, they make you think you didn’t remember things correctly, they isolate you for control, they are never wrong about anything… they are evil incarnate.

SWWNBN’s financials are being pored over by the Mcaniacs. I bet they find all sorts of issues. They won’t be able to catch them all and scrub them before time runs out. Perhaps this will be the “October surprise” we have been waiting for.

Oh, and Obama calling McLame’s bluff on the debate was priceless…. he refused to do town halls with McLame, then he said that is what he would do if McShame didn’t show up. Priceless.

Thank you Muckraker, this is the only place I feel justified. :X

25 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

Bet there are some bargains to be had in Wasilla and Juneau over the weekend.

25 09 2008
NoCalGal

And I hope Obama does go forward with the debate/town meeting and McCain is a no show. And the VP debate goes forward.. it will be such a contrast between parties.

BTW Isn’t SP in No. Cal in October??? I just got an invite to a fund raiser in San Jose where Senator Clinton will be the guest.. dueling fundraisers eh?

25 09 2008
Grace RN NJ

SP-as open and transparent as a London fog.

What this boils down to is a national referendum on race. That explains the inability of people with even a pea-brain to detect the BS lottery winner that the MCCan’t Palin ticket has become.

Their supporters just aren’t honest enough to say they’d never vote for a black man, even as they see our beautiful, beloved country circling the drain.

25 09 2008
JoeAlvord aka Spoon Archer Palin

The car wash was forcibly closed down because Palin never paid any licensing fees.

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

It was B I N G O night at my house during the CBS Evening News. My intelligent, kind, Dem husband has mostly humored me these past 3 weeks since I’ve found Mudflats and immersed myself in all things Palin. He hasn’t been ready to take the plunge and spend hours on the blog (I’m blogging for two)

But as we watched the Palin-Couric interview — HE GOT IT. Eye rolling, hand to head, BINGO moment. I kept calling her Heartbeat-Away-Palin.

Thank you Katie!

BTW Alaskans – when I’ve seen the list of countries Palin has been to – it included Mexico (vacation), Germany & Kuwait (oops – not really Iraq), and that famous refueling stopover in Ireland. I really haven’t seen that she claims to have been in Canada. Could that really be???

Now, she not only sees Russia (the land), she sees their planes fly over Alaska. Thus her deep foreign relations experience! Wow.

25 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

@NoCalGal (15:34:18) :

To those with republican friends who still support SP, have you sat with them and watched these clips, one by one, and then asked them to explain to you what her answer was…

NoCalGal, they wouldn’t be able to understand her any better than anyone else, but they wouldn’t care a bit – they would still vote for her. There is not much she could do that would put them off.

Look at the people the Republicans have put in power. Don’t they make her look like a Godsend?

There is none so blind ….. ::)

25 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P. (15:34:57) :

That is one of the best descriptions I have heard of this affliction.

25 09 2008
enigma4ever

thanks for this- we will have to keep an eye on this…can’t wait..maybe will get some answers on the HOUSE question that I pursued like a dog with a bone…after seeing her with Katie- I am horrified with her skills…pathetic…”Putin – where is his head ? ” tell me she did not say that ???omg….I think McCain will Find Something to prevent her from attending that debate….at this rate her support is dropping by the hour…

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

NEW VIDEO

John McCain on economics:

25 09 2008
Belly Queen

From Asheville, NC: I’ve been appreciating–make that “addicted to”–this blog since 8/29. AKM: you go!

In case you haven’t heard, people all across the nation are making donations to Planned Parenthood in the name of Sarah Palin, indicating the “thank you” notes should go to John McCain’s address. Ha!

See http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/23/palin-opponents-shower-donations-planned-parenthoo/
for the story!

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Geez — McC’s whole “talking point” anymore is that line about “I invited Obama to a number of town hall meetings & he declined”

Listen Mav~~~ GET OVER IT !!!!! Move on !!! ENOUGH !!

Like a whiney child — I invited and he didn’t come… Grrrrrr

25 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

http://pol.moveon.org/demanddebate/?r_by=14042-10502927-aBSFAYx&rc=confemai
Please let them know that the debate should go on.

25 09 2008
Halcrow

Sarah’s closeness to nature won’t stand her in good stead here.

She probably figures that, like a mooseberry, if enough time lapses she’ll develop a patina which will take a bit of colouring and glossing, and she’ll just have to sit there, smile and sparkle in jewellike splendour, and the questions will bounce off of her.

Sorry, Sarah, but no matter how you buff and string mooseberries, they’re still shit.

25 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL
25 09 2008
rdy2wlk

Belly Queen, I am just across the line in East Tennessee. I love Mudflats and have to come here for a sane moment since I am surrounded by redness. Katy is my hero for further exposing Falin Palin .

25 09 2008
syt

Ugh! Palin was terrible again tonight. I read the transcript of her talking about Putin, but seeing it live made it twenty times worse. She makes my stomach turn.

25 09 2008
dragonmage06

Surpsise surprise, right?

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Interesting new commercial in the Chicago market – doctors discussing McCain, showing pictures of his skin cancer scars and lesions, and explaining his life expectancy (short!). It is an outside group I’m not familiar with, not the Obama campaign. But it sure is thorough.

25 09 2008
BJA

I have an idea ….

Sarah — Call your accountant and have them release the last 10 years of your income tax returns. Biden did it. You can too. Just have your accountant post them to an accessible site as PDFs. Easy. Drop me a note when you get that done.

Signed,
Curious in Minnesota

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Bec in Illinois (16:02:03) :

Interesting new commercial in the Chicago market – doctors discussing McCain, showing pictures of his skin cancer scars and lesions, and explaining his life expectancy (short!). It is an outside group I’m not familiar with, not the Obama campaign. But it sure is thorough.
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Is this it or something else?

25 09 2008
Whiskey Otter Palin

I’m no McSame fan, but I’d be a little creeped out if there were commercials of me saying my life expectancy is short. That seem a little callous.

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Bec in Illinois (16:02:03) :

Interesting new commercial in the Chicago market – doctors discussing McCain, showing pictures of his skin cancer scars and lesions, and explaining his life expectancy (short!). It is an outside group I’m not familiar with, not the Obama campaign. But it sure is thorough.
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Is this the ad or is it something else?

http:[***DELETE BRACKETS TO ACTIVATE LINK***] //www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHvJPGnkQxE

25 09 2008
ocliberal

http://www.wegoted.com/

Breaking News from Big Eddie:
McCain Camp insiders say Palin “clueless”
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people
are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held
a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as “disastrous.” One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, “What are we going to do?” The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is “clueless.”

They are just now figuring this out??????

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

DEAL MAY BE DEAD: DEMS BLAMING MCCAIN

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/at-white-house-mccain-pla_n_129438.html

It all just keeps getting worse.

25 09 2008
ocliberal

Hey if McCain wants to run ads to keep reminding voters that Obama is black I see nothing wrong with reminding voters that McCain has medical problems that are legitimate and potentionally debilitating and/or fatal.

And remember who is waiting in the wings. The person that they are now admitting to themselves is ‘clueless’.

Nice job McCain! Way to put country first!

25 09 2008
ocliberal

Deal is dead thanks to McCain’s ‘politicking’.

Nice job McCain. That’s the way to put country first!

25 09 2008
Enough Already AKA Emough Already

Guys it has been lockdown here in NYC since every leader of the world is here. There was a cop on every overpass between JFk and Manhattan and the Bronx on Sunday. The city is on gridlock and the protesters have been effectively tamped down.

I wore my Anti-Palin t-shirt while playing raquetball at the club just blocks from the UN yesteray. I got a bunch of nods of approval, several thumbs up and other expletives referring to her that I could not repeat (just imagine the worst and they are on the list) that kept me slamming that blue ball with a mental pic on it of her face.

Gotta run have virgin drinks with the two libs from the office. Maybe the truth serum (Patron and Grey Goose Martini’s) will open them up tonight.

25 09 2008
nswfm

This pitiful pair lurch from one inane thing to another and the stoopid fools who support them, support them blindly. My mom’s afraid that the sheeple will vote for her because of something lame like her smile.

America is circling the drain and the fools want to have someone they can have a beer with. Or go huntin’ with. Or shoot animals from planes.

Hey, McCain/Palin, I hear Cheney likes to hunt, maybe we can get you an invite.

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Yes Hamlets – thanks – it is the medical ad — here is a complete link (remember – you don’t have to code links – just paste as is into the comment!)

So it is done by BRAVNEWPAC and Democracy for America – DFA

25 09 2008
Barbara

As I watched Katie Couric’s interview of Governor Palin this evening, I just kept shaking my head and thinking that there has to be something more to this. I honestly can’t believe that McCain would want her to be his VP. She is in left field perhaps some abyss of left field.

At the smae tiem, I also noticed that John Leiberman seems to be McCain’s shadow. He was with him all day today. Could there be a possibility that McCain, knowing that she was unqualified and underinvestigation(and so on and on), pick Governor Palin, so that she could be replaced after he won the election? He knew that she would excite the republican base as well as a number of women voters. She could help him win the election, however, once he won the election, he would let all cats out of the bag thus force Palin to resign and then offer Leiberman the VP slot.

As I understand his decision, McCain wanted to place his long time friend and college into the VP slot, however that choice would not have gone over well with the republican base. An interesting way of killing two birds with one stone.

I know that I am grasping at straws, but I thought I would just throw this out there and see what people thought. I just can’t help but thinking that there is more to this. Palin’s blatant incompetence is simply mind boggling.

25 09 2008
Siege

Two signs from my child that I have to work on this Election Addiction behavior:

I have a five year old daughter (named Sarah, so at least I can have good associations with the name and just dismiss the other Sarah). Sarah saw part of the Tina Fey skit from SNL a few weeks ago (I think my husband and I watched that bit on Sunday am and she saw it then). So, last night I had the TV paused on a picture of SWWNBN since I was going to watch the Couric interview after they scuttled off to bed. She said, “Mommy, there is that lady you don’t like, you know, the one who says, ‘And I can see Russia from my house.’ ”

Tonight, I had the computer on mudflats, no pictures, just catching up on comments…my 18 month old pointed to the screen and Sarah said to the baby, “Yes, that is a computer. It’s about Sarah Katelyn.” She meant Palin, of course…so do you think my dad should report me for child neglect, as I mentioned in a previous post? Just asking…
I think I could successfully argue that I am just doing my job as a mom- trying to protect my children’s futures. I sure as hell don’t want SWWNBN influencing that.

25 09 2008
indieJ

Here is the question I want someone to ask Johnnie Mac……If you were only interested in “solving the economic crisis” and you didn’t want the campaign to interfere and this whole thing isn’t about some political gain, then why Senator have you had 2 seperate pressers to tell the country(voters) what you are doing? Why are you appearing on every single network to announce to the nation(again…voters) that you are not making a political move and not trying to gain votes by doing this? Why are you repeating to cameras that you are doing what is right for the American people? If your intent is to fix the crisis, get off the damn TV and go do something. If all we see is you talking about doing something and parading around in front of cameras, what are we left to assume this was other than a political stunt.

I actually would have respected this move if this morning I had woke up and no John McCain surrogates were appearing on any shows, McCain had left the campaign battleground and had just showed up in DC to take meetings with members of Congress to help figure this thing out(not that he has any idea what is going on). That would have been significant and would have been a much better move….instead, he does 16 interviews and pressers to show that he isn’t trying to gain political capitol by using this crisis for gain. Somehow that should be noted and talked about by the media and Obama campaign. Why do you have to have press conferences to go do your job?

25 09 2008
bPoint

Enjay aka Turbine Yukon (15:47:14) :

Geez — McC’s whole “talking point” anymore is that line about “I invited Obama to a number of town hall meetings & he declined”

Listen Mav~~~ GET OVER IT !!!!! Move on !!! ENOUGH !!

Like a whiney child — I invited and he didn’t come… Grrrrrr

The town hall non-sense is pissing me off too. McCain does not realize what it sounds like is: I offered to run his campaign my way, but he would let me”

Hey John McCain-Get Lost!!

25 09 2008
Steph

OK, what does SWWNBN stand for? (I know, Sarah Palin, but you all have an inside joke and I feel like an outcast!) Please?!?!

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Good question Steph! I don’t know either.

25 09 2008
bPoint

SWWNBN stands for She Who Will Not Be Named.

25 09 2008
S in CA

SWWNBN = She Who Will Not Be Named

I can’t believe the arrogance of these a-holes. I’m ashamed that they call themselves my fellow countrymen.

If they delay the debates I will lose what little left I have of my sanity.

25 09 2008
RLS

She Who Will Not Be Named but I thought it was referring to AK-Mudflats who did not want to be identified. I may be wrong on that part.

25 09 2008
Augie

Been “under the covers” for a few days – but always up on Mudflats news.
The ad about McCain’s health is from Brave New Films.
http://bravenewfilms.org/profiles/426431-bravenewpac/videos
Robert Greenwald has done several films like ‘Iraq for Sale’, a damning look at the outsourcing of the war.

25 09 2008
JaneElizabeth

Great protest sign available as it unfortnatley won’t be needed since SarahP isn’t coming to The OC, CA:
To quote Nancy Reagan

“Just say NO”! McBUSH / apPALlINg

Regards the debates: Forget Joe Biden…per Repubs…replacement will be Miss Teenage USA 2007 / South Carolina to level playing field.

My dime is on Miss SC.

Obama/Biden 2008

25 09 2008
bPoint

McCains bailout plan is like his promise to capture Bin Laden.

Elect me and I show you. If not, well you’re on your own.

25 09 2008
indieJ

So McStupid has stalled the move by both parties to pass a bailout package by presenting something that HAS LESS REGULATION AND PROMISES BIGGER TAX BREAKS FOR THE CORPORATIONS THAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS???????

25 09 2008
gran567

I think it’s “she who would not be named”

25 09 2008
pamela

Didn’t Katie look absolutely disgusted during the entire Palin interview?

I thought it was priceless when Palin, after talking about Russian planes, wnet on to mention that BTW, Alaska bordered Canada – more international experience. Oh, really? Alaska borders Canada? Wow, now if she could just connect w/ a few advisors from say, Washington, Montana, North Dakota, Michigan, New York, Maine, etc., etc., why I bet if she could do that she’d have this foreign policy thing nailed.

Does she think we’re as dense as she is?

(And Bec, I also have a tolerant non-Palin-immersed spouse – and it was BINGO night here, too!

25 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

ocliberal (16:08:47): wrote, quoting Ed Shultz:

Breaking News from Big Eddie:
…People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is “clueless.”

They are just now figuring this out??????

Well, they might have…. if they’d actuallly vetted her.

25 09 2008
Krystal

The Couric interview was a disaster and scary to boot. I have been to Europe at least two times now, and paid for it myself because other cultures fascinate me. She has def had the money in recent years to travel abroad if she wanted too. The “naive” Kissinger comment was bad enough but did anyone catch that if we didn’t agree with Israel 100% it is tantamount to supporting the holocaust. This woman is NUTS!

25 09 2008
bPoint

Palmdale, CA (16:48:16) :

Breaking News from Big Eddie:
…People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is “clueless.”

I guess they really do have a “Truth Squad”.

25 09 2008
Steph

Thanks! I am now in on the joke! (or whatever)

My husband had to leave the room when SWWNBN (heh) was on with Katie Couric. Poor guy just couldn’t take it. He said it was just too pathetic, and it was almost cruel for the Republicans/McCain to put her in this position. I think he was starting to feel sorry for her, so I reminded him about the wolves and he snapped out of his sympathy. Whew…close call. I think it’s a “there’s a pretty lady and she is really dumb, maybe I can score” instinct…

25 09 2008
An Alaskan Republican, no more

I honestly can’t take any more of this. How can people watch what is going on and be okay with this? I made my husband watch Fox last night just to see what they were saying about all this and sure enough it was something along the lines of McCain wants to take care of the people first, a debate is not that important. Not that important? Really? How come people can’t see what is being done? Can someone please explain that to me!

25 09 2008
Cavegal

Here is a portion of a 3 page op ed piece that explains the derivatives mess extremely well. Please everyone, you owe it to yourselves to read this article to understand exactly what it is Paulson is asking us to bail out.

The Anatomy of a Bubble

Until recently, most people had never even heard of derivatives; but in terms of money traded, these investments represent the biggest financial market in the world. Derivatives are financial instruments that have no intrinsic value but derive their value from something else. Basically, they are just bets. You can “hedge your bet” that something you own will go up by placing a side bet that it will go down. “Hedge funds” hedge bets in the derivatives market. Bets can be placed on anything, from the price of tea in China to the movements of specific markets.

“The point everyone misses,” wrote economist Robert Chapman a decade ago, “is that buying derivatives is not investing. It is gambling, insurance and high stakes bookmaking. Derivatives create nothing.”1 They not only create nothing, but they serve to enrich non-producers at the expense of the people who do create real goods and services. In congressional hearings in the early 1990s, derivatives trading was challenged as being an illegal form of gambling. But the practice was legitimized by Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, who not only lent legal and regulatory support to the trade but actively promoted derivatives as a way to improve “risk management.” Partly, this was to boost the flagging profits of the banks; and at the larger banks and dealers, it worked. But the cost was an increase in risk to the financial system as a whole.2

Since then, derivative trades have grown exponentially, until now they are larger than the entire global economy. The Bank for International Settlements recently reported that total derivatives trades exceeded one quadrillion dollars – that’s 1,000 trillion dollars.3 How is that figure even possible? The gross domestic product of all the countries in the world is only about 60 trillion dollars. The answer is that gamblers can bet as much as they want. They can bet money they don’t have, and that is where the huge increase in risk comes in.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/IT-S-THE-DERIVATIVES-STUP-by-Ellen-Brown-080918-354.html

25 09 2008
ED

Siege

I don’t have little kids, but, believe me, I want to help protect yours.

Obama/Biden2008

25 09 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Palin

McMonkeyWrench.

25 09 2008
futurexpat?

How about her medical records? Not to mention his.

Andy AKA Plop Hero

25 09 2008
FL NANA

First, thank you so much for helping me maintain at least a measure of sanity during this incredibly upsetting time.

My husband and I have discussed Ms. Palin’s wardrobe. I know I read somewhere the cost of those cute little jackets she wears–I know it was a lot, but cannot remember the amount. Does anyone know? Did she dress like this as the governor? Where is she getting the money to dress as she does?

25 09 2008
Ky Fork Decoy Palin

An Alaskan Republican, no more (16:52:32)
I’m with you. I’m baffled. Watching republicans try to defend these people is just as painful. This ticket has been compared to “The Emperor’s New Clothes”, and I couldn’t agree more. How loud does that little boy have to talk before people listen?

25 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

FL NANA (17:08:00) : The jacket she wore at the RNC was $2500.00. I read that she has a stylist and an RNC credit card to keep her dressed well. Unfortunately, I don’t have the factual site to reference this too. So, it might be considered heresay on my part.

She Who Will Not Be Named=Sarah Palin.

Message sent via my blackberry that John McCaIn invented.

Hugs,
Slap Spear Palin

25 09 2008
rdy2wlk

On Larry King, they had a clip from McBush and he said that he would be in Oxford for the debate tomorrow night.

25 09 2008
dripping

Don’t know if this has been posted previously, but I found it funny. Palin IS in that bad disney movie that Matt Damon talked about!

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831461

25 09 2008
rdy2wlk

Has anyone seen any recent approval ratings of Sarah Palin? I just heard the Minnesota congresswoman talking about how people loved her in Alaska and across the nation. GAG!

25 09 2008
drew hanson

The Wolves and Bears want to ask Sara Palin “Why do you hate us so much that you want to slaughter our Family’s”

Where is the Pro Life in that?

25 09 2008
Andrew Gregg

It’s worth reading Carl Bernstein’s take on the Palin VP appointment and what it says about McCain:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/the-palin-pick—-the-dev_b_129373.html

What do the desperate manoeuvrings of the McCain camp say about the candidate himself? I figure the truth may lie in one of two things. Either:

1. His age really is catching up with his ability to make responsible, rational decisions, or…

2. His whole narrative–that his years as a POW gives him the rarefied ability to win the approval of and lead the American people as a tough maverick who doesn’t take any crap–is a crock.

Maybe the truth lies in both scenarios.

The Palin pick will be the key to the political autopsy of the McCain campaign. The corpse of this failed Republican run for the White House will be riddled with the scars of lies and stunts, but the real cause of death will be picking Palin. In this most cynical age of ugly politics, where Bush, Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld seemed to scrape very dregs out of the barrel-bottom, McCain has done them one better. Or is it one worse? Picking Palin baldly places the security of the west at risk, in favour of cheap politics that appeal to the lunatics of the religious right. Let me make that point again: the security of the west is endangered here, not just the security of America. This is dangerous, ugly stuff. It’s also bad karma and it’s very, very wrong.

25 09 2008
drew hanson

I can see the universe from my backyard !

Of course I’m an expert on universal issues !!

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

There is a lot to talk about Palin – so why not her wardrobe, too! Actually I had commented a few days back on how she always wears black skirts (and occasionally black pants). She started out with a lot of dark clothes, but has started adding color. I haven’t seen her wear the one long black jacket dress outfit since people said she looked like she was wearing a Startrek uniform. (People are soooo mean aren’t they?!)

If the McCain campaign can pay for lawyers to run the state of Alaska right now, I’m sure they can cough up for her new wardrobe of $250 to $2500 jackets. From pre-veep days, it looks like she wore a long of casual North Face jackets with her skirts — as governor. I read someone say the environmentally-conscious North Face probably wouldn’t be too happy having her as a model.

25 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh (Mooseguts trailertrash Palin"

To: UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps (15:24:05) : Palins confidence will not be shattered, she is such a narcissist that she doesn’t get that she doesn’t get it.

I agree completely!

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Andrew — I know McCain is a maverick and all – but I’m not so sure HE picked Palin. It sure seems like he has handlers -most of the time. Bad handlers, but still, people calling the shots.

25 09 2008
GinaM

I’m wondering if they are going to ask Palin to release her medical records. Does anyone know if Biden has released his medical records? I think Palin may be hesitant to release her records because it would probably show that she had a tubal ligation after giving birth to her 7 year old.

25 09 2008
bPoint

Anyone remember the Aamco Transmission commercial.

In using the experience as the benefit for pulling into Aamco for your transmissions needs.
They show the competitor interviewing a mechanics for hire.
When asked if he could repair a transmission the interviewee replies,
“I fixed a lawn mower transmission once”

I hadn’t thought of that ad in years, until I came across Sarah Palin

25 09 2008
Strike Chipper Palin

I think I had a light bulb moment tonight after watching Olbermann. I believe McNuts is throwing Mrs. Foreign-Policy-Expert Palin literally to the wolves.

First- McCain’t looked so happy reunited with his long lost buddy Lieberman today as they were grossly rubbing each others back today when he got to DC, you could almost hear him whispering in Liebermans ear, “I gotta get rid of her, she’s an idiot, an even bigger one than ME!”

Second- I watched her struggle, almost as if she was going to break down in tears when she had to answer 5 questions on her own, plus I think it’s mutual concensus the Katie Couric interview was an unbelievable disaster.

What I’ve concluded is McCrazy is sick of her and trying to shake her like an obsessive ex-girlfriend, so he threw her under the bus, ran to Washington so she is left to hang herself on her own.

In conclusion Mudflatters, I’m sorry to speculate you may just get her back all beaten, dejected and desheviled in a couple more weeks. Just throw her out with the bears, maybe they’ll give her an attitude adjustment.

McWhackjob/Palin = Political Suicide, either way, they are thoroughly finished in my lil ole opin🙂

25 09 2008
Andrew Gregg

Bec:

I think the irrationality of McCain’s campaign has to indicate that he’s the causing the mess in the middle of this thing. If these rash decisions were actually to being thought out by a committee of schemers in a war room, they wouldn’t have this kind of randomness–Palin over Leiberman, suspending the campaign, barking that the economy is sound on the day it collapses, etc. The stories of McCain’s temperament and intransigence–to me, at least–seem to be true.

25 09 2008
FL NANA

Thanks galwhohashadenough! (17:12:46). I’ll bet Biden pays for his own clothes.

I’m new to this area, having moved here about a month ago. Just got a phone call from Obama’s local office about a get together Saturday, so I’ll get to meet other Obama supporters. So excited!

25 09 2008
bPoint

I wonder what she sounded like to John McCain and his people when they interviewed her in Arizona this past August? Talk about bad judgement, it’s like a first round pick that can’t throw or catch a football, even on the sidelines.

Like Sarah said to Charlie Gibson in Alaska..”I bet he kinda wishes he pick Mitt.”

25 09 2008
Shove Maggot Palin aka the problem child

DOES THIS SOUND LIKE ANYONE WE MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH???

Just askin’…

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

* Glibness and Superficial Charm

* Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

* Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

* Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

* Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

* Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

* Incapacity for Love

* Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

* Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

* Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

* Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

* Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

* Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

* Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

* Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

25 09 2008
Strike Chipper Palin

@Shove Maggot

Sounds like ‘everyone’ on the Rethuglican ticket

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Maybe Andrew – but what about the staffer who announced during the summer that “John McCain doesn’t speak for the campaign”. I understood they told him he couldn’t have Lieberman. Seemed like they handed him Palin. But we ALL know they sure didn’t vet her. Couldn’t have.

I agree some of the things going on are certainly part of his irrational behavior. Seems like he has a bunch of young smart-asses managing things, too. Rove seems close at times, other times not.

It is asbolute craziness, that is for sure. I am certainly hoping that Obama’s crew who have been boning up on things that set McCain’s temper off have been training him well and tomorrow night that ticker goes off!

25 09 2008
Chris Blask

Good lord.

I’m sure there are lots of wonderful folks in Alaska, Everyone I know who has been there has loved it, I’ve always wanted to go myself.

My apologies on behalf of the Lower 48 for the impression Palin is making on us. We’ll get over it, and Alaska will overcome the shame in time, too.

If Obama wins the state it would show the world that Palin doesn’t represent the average Alaskan…

25 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ FL NANA: Good luck go gettum! Just from being a regular reader here I know that most the folks who go to Obama’s headquarters come away so invigorated. Let us all know how it goes for you.

I have yet to make it to the headquarters but have been writing postcards to Ohio. I am going next week to sign up to be a poll worker. I want to make sure that all goes well here in Colorado. We are light blue right now and want to make sure we are solid blue come election night. I don’t know the exact stat’s on Colorado but, pretty sure we have been RED for awhile.

Message sent via my blackberry that John McCaIn invented.

Slap Spear Palin

25 09 2008
Phoebe

McCain is stalling ….big time. I think he went to Wash. to make sure the deal did not go through. He does not want to debate Obama tomorrow night & he will use any tactics (remember he was a POW) to make sure he doesn’t have to. This is getting really crazy & he’s getting away with it.

25 09 2008
Reality Check

I must admit, I am thoroughly enjoying watch Sarah Palin and John McCain (her running mate) implode on the grandest scale ever!

25 09 2008
bPoint

The McCain/Palin ticket remind me of The Turtle on the Post

http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/jimhug/A_Turtle_On_a_Post.html

25 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Good accountants use pencils…great accountants use the old “fill the lead into the” mechanical pencils. But for this one, I have both ready!

The hanging chad in this will be how or if the State of Alaska even reported the per diem payments. I’ll bet the State did not include it in taxable income…and that’s a no no for the IRS.

I would prefer a look at her (their) tax return, but I am salivating for whatever financial information I can get! Oh, I know, I’m really, REALLY bad, but I’ve been waiting for this for quite a while!

25 09 2008
Lara

PRIOR POST: My apologies on behalf of the Lower 48 for the impression Palin is making on us. We’ll get over it, and Alaska will overcome the shame in time, too.

Alaska has no shame. Lies, dishonest and incompetent politicians can be found anywhere. It’s not unique to Alaska. I’m not sure how many other states would have so many people who stood up to very powerful forces. From ordinary citizens to activists to politicians. I think Alaska should be very, very proud. I’m proud to have them as part of our country. I hope we learn from them some very good lessons.

Way to go Alaska.

25 09 2008
snowbelle

rdy2wlk (17:25:45)

I’m not sure, but I imagine the “Congresswoman from Minnesota” is
Michelle Bachman (a former beauty queen), who’s rise to prominence began with a position on the school board where she advocated for teaching creationism, etc. etc. (sound familiar?)

This summer she held a press conference with a graph that “proved” that by opening up drilling we could get gas prices back under $2 by this time next year.

Buh. Please don’t pay attention to anything she says!

See Alaskans? We here in the lower 48 have ours, too….

25 09 2008
ds55

Ugh, Barney Frank has a speech impediment. I’m having trouble listening to him. After listening to Palin, I think I’m super-sensitive to people who are verbally challenged.

25 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Dee (15:30:35) : vetting should include financial’s?

Hey, I would have wanted them, but poor McCain only thought she was fresh, unjaded…who could even imagine that she could have accumulated all the muck she has brought with her?

25 09 2008
Andrew Gregg

Bec:

I wonder if some of the Republican operatives have gone over the side on this campaign, to live to fight another day. Someone is going to write a fascinating book on this one day. I think Rove’s involvement is partial at best–otherwise there would be some sort of horrible order to these awful shenanigans. Now it just seems scatter shot. But maybe that’s the wrong term-scatter shot is what Palin probably uses when she’s hunting.

And one other thing–I’m in Toronto now, but I used to be in the Yukon and I know plenty of rational left-wing women who can hunt and dress a moose or a caribou. This garbage that it is only the domain of the right wingers is lunacy. There’s no way the woman on the cover of the latest issue of “Yukon: North of Ordinary” is a Palin-ite: http://northofordinary.ca/issue/current.html

25 09 2008
Augie

‘Profile of the Sociopath’
This could indeed apply to Palin.
I know for sure it applies to my younger sister.
My first husband died following an accident when he was only 37. We had been together 19 years.
At his funeral, my sister looked around at all the grieving family and friends and said, “I don’t know why everyone is so sad. So he died. I never liked him anyway”.
I continued to put up with her behavior for the sake of family unity, but after our mother’s death in 2001, I had to cut her out of my life. Life’s too short to let toxic people destroy you.

25 09 2008
NoCalGal

AKM, when the election is over, and Obama is in the white house, I may start planning a trip to AK to show my appreciation for all you have done.. when that time comes, I will re read your site with an eye to where to go, what to see etc.

More photos of the beauty of AK will be much appreciated!

Thanks!

25 09 2008
Winski

Not to put to fine a point on this but does this mean you can get a legal degree AND pass the Alaska bar without being able to READ ??? Of read a calendar??

I’m confused…

25 09 2008
Butterfliesatnight

I bet Abe Lincoln is rolling in his grave! This is INSANE! and I’m enjoying every moment of it. lol

25 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

http://www.wegoted.com/

Breaking News from Big Eddie:
McCain Camp insiders say Palin “clueless”
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people
are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held
a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as “disastrous.” One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, “What are we going to do?” The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is “clueless.”

They are just now figuring this out??????
————————————————————————-

Shhhhhh….. they could have avoided this panic if they’d visited Mudflats!

25 09 2008
SMR

@Andrew Gregg

Wow, thanks for the link to the great article. That was a great read. While Carl Bernstein was obviously sympathetic in some way, he did not hesitate to tell it like it is, which makes his story all the more powerful.

Folks, if you have people sitting on the fence this time around, talking about what a great guy mccain is, etc., have them read this article, it gives one a lot to think about!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/the-palin-pick—-the-dev_b_129373.html

25 09 2008
Zim in Oz

morning all *waves*

OK…
Mccain wil not debate until ‘The Deal’ is signed. (or approved)

In Washington there was nearly ‘A Deal’

Into Washington rides Maverick McCain.

‘The Deal’ falters.

….now what ?

Did McCain stuff up the deal to avoid the debate ?

25 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Steph (16:28:26) : Sorry if you already got this–not through the thread yet…
She Who Will Not Be Named—Harry Potter reference!

25 09 2008
bPoint

Listen, if McCains isn’t going to the debate, fine! At the least he should stay off the television circuit and get to real work on the financial plan he is carrying around in his shirt pocket. If he can pull this train wreck into the station, the debate thing will take care of itself.

25 09 2008
Deb

cassie omg, I just watched the parts of the video of her with katie tonight (I was at a class earlier and did not see it) she is not getting better with practice, or being “rolled out”, she is getting WORSE…MUCH worse….
does she even understand how BAD she looks? If I watched a replay of myself doing what she did, I would tell mccain “thanks, but no thanks” and go home!

25 09 2008
Andrew Gregg

Check this out–Head of Skate:

http://openthread.dailykos.com/

25 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Deb (18:24:19) : Pathetic, isn’t it.

MY vice president ( of my local woman’s club) can string together complete sentences….maybe she should be a cabinet member!!!!!

25 09 2008
Gryphen

No financial report?

No medical records?

No REAL interviews?

No way this Moosehunting Barbie will get elected to the Vice Presidency!

25 09 2008
C-SPAN: Debate Hub » Blog Archive » Palin Delays Financial Disclosure Until After Debate

[…] Palin Delays Financial Disclosure Until After Debate September 25, 2008 at 9:30 pm […]

25 09 2008
Shove Maggot Palin aka the problem chidl

“Head of Skate” ROFFLMFAO
That’s from a girl who knows hockey.

25 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

ds55 (18:07:23) :

Ugh, Barney Frank has a speech impediment.
———————————————————————–
Barney Frank is an openly gay legislator—unlike the closeted Republican men who are in the closet with their victims and pedophiles.

Let’s cut him a break!

25 09 2008
sauerkraut

I grew up in Maine.

Maine borders the Canadian provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Quebec.

I currently livein pennsyltucky, which borders Canada across Lake Erie.

According to the theory put forth by Palin, I have foreign policy experience because a) I lived in a state next to Canada, b) I currently live in a state borderd by Canada, c) I’ve been to Texas (borders Mexico don’t you know?), and d) Canadian planes sometimes fly into Maine and/or pennsyltucky airspace.

I sure am hoping she’ll appoint me Ambassador to the United Nations cuz… well… cuz I have more foreign policy experience than she does!!

25 09 2008
PJ

I just fell off my chair. On CNN, Paul Begala just called Bush a “high functioning moron”…and the two other commentators, Ed Rollins and Gloria Borger, did not disagree!!!!!!!!

25 09 2008
NoCalGal

I like Barney Frank. He is very real imho. He speaks his mind and tells it like it is. I have seen him on Bill Mahr lots of times.

25 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Siege (16:22:36) :

Two signs from my child that I have to work on this Election Addiction behavior:
________________________________________________________________
AWESOME! JUST SIMPLY AWESOME.
You are a lucky woman to have children like that and they are also
to have you as a mother. GOD be with you and your family.

25 09 2008
Polished Mooseberry Palin

Thought I’d change my name to more accurately reflect the current state of republican politics in our great country.

Free McPalinistan !!!!

25 09 2008
Siege

BAILOUT SETUP:
I was watching Rep. (or Senator?) Shelby from Alabama talking on Rachel show about how repubs are against this Paulson plan (Where were these ideas seven days ago?) and that he has a letter from top economists urging them not to sign on to this plan.
My opinion is that the need for help re: some kind of bailout is real. But, I think much of what has gone on in “making a plan” has been orchestrated- perhaps from the beginning with Bush’s two and a half page plan that was ridiculous and insulting in its power grabbing tone. Give dems something that will enrage them and set their teeth gnawing on what they want to CHANGE about the plan rather than what other plans might be created. Resist for a while (Did anyone else see Paulson and Bernanke resisting much change to the plan at hearings on Tuesday?) Have Repubs ask doubting questions too. Get dems feeling like they are winning some of the battles as the week rolls on. Have John McCain made aware that a better plan from repubs is on the way. Have him ride into town all righteous and just pose a few doubting questions. Then, bring in some repubs who have a more feasible idea (Is there one? I have no reason to trust that Paulson knows his stuff so I am all about exploring plans if the market can stand it for a few more days, weeks…). Work on that plan and make it look like McCain was a big player in making this happen. What a hero! He led us into a more sensible plan that the voters can feel at least better about.
Any thoughts?

25 09 2008
Shove Maggot Palin aka the problem child

Shout “aut” to “sauerkraut” from one in New Brunswick! (but you may be exaggerating your foreign policy experience in the same way as Palin is … Nova Scotia only shares a “maritime” border with Maine….And because we’re an hour ahead of the rest of the east, bedtime for me.

25 09 2008
Cal Al

NOTICE.

PLEASE don’t feed trolls or the ELVES…they have a superiority complex and will not be swayed.

Strange times deserve a lookin at strange art..H Bosch anyone?

http://www.abcgallery.com/B/bosch/bosch.html

I am truly pissed off at these “end of days” people. (I was on the witch-huntin thread) They are so jaded in that they have no hope for LIFE. It pisses me off…it also makes me sad. How can anyone be so hopeless that they demand a GOD dictatorship in order to survive or to be saved? I hope that god is better then that. Isn’t this Pentecostal ideology worse than communism?

25 09 2008
Polished Mooseberry Palin

bPoint – it’s real nice that mccain is carrying around someone’s financial plan in his pocketses, but has he read the 2.5 page Paulson plan yet?

25 09 2008
Polished Mooseberry Palin

yo problem child – Russia is across the waters, too, so neener, neener!! 8-P

25 09 2008
otisNYC

CNN is analyzing the Palin interview w/ Couric Part 2 and they are making it seem like we should all feel sorry for her, that she’s lost her confidence. I hope they don’t turn her into the underdog again and build all this sympathy for her and see her #’s rise!

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

I posted earlier today – I love Barney. He is sincere and does tell it like it is. He’s had to face all the usual crap to serve as an openly gay man. But he keeps on fighting — for us!

25 09 2008
Deb

otis- she LOST it? when did she HAVE it?

25 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Going to bed now…one quick check on the sign, then I’m out. I need to rest up for the Palin financial information…..and to see the debate!

Trust me, McCain will show ….and I want Obama to blow him away!

25 09 2008
bPoint

Has any wondered if this financial train wreck is a planned deception in order for Republican principles to remain in place in the likely event that McCain does not win the presidency? I mean it’s like toss the baby with the country being the baby. I sure hope we don’t get dropped on our heads.

25 09 2008
bPoint

By the way, I am not normally a conspiracy theory person

25 09 2008
Deb

bpoint-I trust our Dem representatives who are working on this plan have taken this into consideration, is exactly why they didn’t want ONE man holding the pocketbook with no accountability

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Saukerkraut – have I got you beat? I live in Chicago. O’Hare is one of the busiest airports and planes fly over my house from all over the world every day. Plus, I’ve been to Iceland (for a refueling stop). I’m thinking I could do Secretary of State.

25 09 2008
bPoint

Deb (18:54:43) :

I do not mean the solution, I am talking about the creation of the “problem”

25 09 2008
Cal

NOTICE.

PLEASE don’t feed trolls or the ELVES…they have a superiority complex and will not be swayed.

Strange times deserve a lookin at strange art..H Bosch anyone?

http://www.abcgallery.com/B/bosch/bosch.html

I am truly pissed off at these “end of days” people. They are so jaded in that they have no hope for LIFE. It pisses me off…it also makes me sad. How can anyone be so hopeless that they demand a GOD dictatorship in order to survive or to be saved? I hope that god is better then that. Isn’t this Pentecostal ideology worse than communism?

25 09 2008
Scribbler

I am sure you have heard that the Top Ten List on Letterman for tonight’s show is being delivered by satellite from Wasilla. Curious if these folks will have to hide. Ten Things You Didn’t Know About Sarah Palin: http://blogreally.com/

25 09 2008
Deb

well…the FBI is in there sniffing around, and echoes of “Keating 5” are beginning to reverberate…..so it looks like someone is looking into the “problem”

25 09 2008
cal al

Why am I being blocked from the blog?

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

I don’t know bPoint – just read on Kos that WaMu was seized tonight by federal regulators.

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois
25 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

dripping (17:25:11) :
___________________________________________________
Gotta see that movie. Can’t wait to LMAO.

25 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh(Mooseguts trailertrash Palin)

Could someone explain to me why even though Obama was ahead by 3 to 4 percent in the Gallup polls for the past several days the race is NOW TIED AGAIN today EVEN AFTER the latest McCain and Palin stumbles?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110668/Gallup-Daily-Race-Back-Tie-46-Each.aspx

25 09 2008
cal al

That was strange..I changed colors..I do like red better though.

I was being blocked from responding to the conversation. I am wondering why. (stupidity, bad spelling, bad connection, reminds you too much of Sarah?…)

I was on the previous thread and could not post this there or here…

Strange times deserve a lookin at strange art..H Bosch anyone?

http://www.abcgallery.com/B/bosch/bosch.html

I am truly pissed off at these “end of days” people. They are so jaded in that they have no hope for LIFE. It pisses me off…it also makes me sad. How can anyone be so hopeless that they demand a GOD dictatorship in order to survive or to be saved? I hope that god is better then that. Isn’t this Pentecostal ideology worse than communism?

25 09 2008
califpat

I have been more of a viewer of mudflats for weeks since I accidently stumbled upon this site and I am so glad to be part of this. You do not know how many days and nights I have been thoroughly depressed over situations concerning McCain/Palin. I have to tell you that you mudpuppies have helped pull me through and Id like to thank you for that. My husband was pretty nonchalant about the election until I started tuning into msnbc and he started to watch the goings on in the election and now he is just as excited about this election as I am. I find him screaming at the television when he sees McCain. My husband is one who had lost faith in the political election and has not voted in years. But today we went down to the Denocratic Headquarters and he registered to vote, Yea!!! He is adamant that he does not want those two insane people in office to run our country. And to the courageous Mudpuppies and Alaskans that will be participating in the rally on Saturday, my husband, family and friends will be cheerleading here in Southern California and waiting for pictures, reports and videos. Go ahead and take back your state and at the same time bring about justice and democracy. Make History!!!! We will be there in spirit.

25 09 2008
Deb

unfortunately I think we have only begun to see the falling of this house of cards…..the shredders in the white house will be busy the nite before inauguration!

25 09 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

For those interested in the BraveNew PAC ads about McCain’s health records, they come from Robert Greenwald’s BraveNew Films. Greenwald is probably best known for “Iraq for Sale.” He’s done a number of smart, hard-hitting short films about various issues as well as McCain. The link here takes you to “The Real McCain” part of the BraveNew website.

If you like the ad, there is a link on the BraveNew Pac site to donate to get the ad on the air in battleground states.

http://therealmccain.com/

25 09 2008
otisNYC

@ Deb(18:50:09):
good point! I am thoroughly enjoying every one of her missteps and blunders. It’s the only comic relief in all this insanity!

25 09 2008
Siege

bPoint:
I wrote about my suspicions just a few posts above yours so we were on the same path at the same time. You are taking it a step further in that I said I think the problem is real but they have been orchestrating the solution to political advantage. Maybe you are right though. The problem is after WMD in Iraq turned out to be a farce, how can we trust anything GWB says? I have been assuming that dem leaders would “know better” and must have been privy to such excruciating info re our economic affairs that they KNOW we have to do SOMETHING…but could they be fooled again? One problem is economics is SO complicated (not my thing) that one could be easily fooled. Is Paulson’s blitz (on Hill and on EVERY Sunday am show) like Colin Powell’s talk at the UN? Provide a seemingly trustworthy figure to sell how bad and real the problem is…I had more reason to trust Powell than Paulsen- who just left Goldman Sachs as CEO and has been Treasury Secretary not much longer than SWWNBN has been governor.

25 09 2008
clip dragon palin

Testing…i am not a troll or an elf, but I am being blocked.

I just ask why?

Did I offend? Where and how?

25 09 2008
Libbs

AKM (or any other Alaskans)-

What “trade missions” with Russia is Sarah talking about?

My head is going to explode… I’m actually going to have to consider Botox to repair the deep, deep frown lines permanently forming on my forehead. Is anyone else suffering from all of the head shaking, jaw dropping, or head banging in the last couple of weeks?

25 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Out of the blue of the western sky comes SKY KING! (anyone remember?)
Watch today as his guest the governor of Alaska shoots animals from
his single engine aircraft. SKY was forced to do this by the McSame
campaign.

25 09 2008
Pacificnwgal

After watching the Palin’s interview with Couric, I agree with CNN that she has lost her confidence. She was way in over her head to begin with, and has incredible nerve. This is one thing I have to say about her… she has guts. But, she does not have a clue about what she is talking about especially on foreign relations. “When Putin rears his head…….????????” Whaaaaaaat? The way she refers to foreign leaders and countries is just bizarre. I think that she is a huge embarrassment to the Republicans. Now, that we see what they can do to every person in the United States when they are in control for the past 8 years in Washington, for them to win now would be the end of us all. Thank goodness, we have a leader like Obama. We need someone with some intelligence and common sense.

25 09 2008
Deb

lol every afternoon at work when it’s time to go home, my co-worker, desk backs up to mine, hears me moan and mumble as I read the afternoon “news”…then he asks “what now, deb?” he KNOWS how much this is all upsetting me…he is british born, so I told him I am just so upset cuz I once WAVED to the queen mum, so I should be the VP nominee not HER!!! he laughed and agreed!

25 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

I’m glad to see the revival of situation comedies on TV. I didn’t think the republicans had it in them.

25 09 2008
cal al

testing.
Trying my previous post again.

I am truly pissed off at these “end of days” people. They are so jaded in that they have no hope for LIFE. It pisses me off…it also makes me sad. How can anyone be so hopeless that they demand a GOD dictatorship in order to survive or to be saved? I hope that god is better then that. Isn’t this Pentecostal ideology worse than communism?

25 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

Sound familiar?

“With new polls showing his campaign dead in the water among California Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain has pulled out of a long-scheduled debate with Texas Gov. George Bush, set for Thursday in Los Angeles. ”

Above is from the San Francisco Chronicle of 28 Feb 2000 (Monday – 3 days before the scheduled Thursday debate).

25 09 2008
Small Town Girl

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-interrogate25-2008sep25,0,1828234.story

Condy Rice admits torture methods discussed in White House. Amazing. What about all those press conferences in which torture was denied? There is more going on behind the scenes that we do not know about.

Palin’s interviews with Katie Couric prove that this whole “suspend the campaign” charade was designed to draw attention away from Palin. It is a betrayal of public trust to have nominated her.

25 09 2008
Regi

I am truly pissed off at these “end of days” people. They are so jaded in that they have no hope for LIFE. It pisses me off…it also makes me sad. How can anyone be so hopeless that they demand a GOD dictatorship in order to survive or to be saved? I hope that god is better then that. Isn’t this Pentecostal ideology worse than communism?

They DO have hope for life ! they think THEY’LL be saved and dance on the ashes of us sinners ! Hallelujah !

25 09 2008
Jeri a.k.a. Bullpen Cola Palin

I just got this e-mail and I also think it is a great idea. I’m donating to planned parenthood in Sarah Palins name they will send her a thank you card.
Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry you will have to type in the web site below.

>> Subject: Fw: A great idea
>>
>> We may have thought we wanted a woman on a national political ticket, but
>> the joke has really been on us, hasn’t it? Are you as sick in your
>> stomach as I am at the thought of Sarah Palin as Vice President of the
>> United States?
>>
>> Since Palin gave her speech accepting the Republican nomination for the
>> Vice Presidency, Barack Obama’s campaign has raised over $10 million
>> dollars. Some of you may already be supporting the Obama campaign
>> financially; others of you may still be recovering from the primaries.
>>
>> None of you, however, can be happy with Palin’s selection, especially on
>> her positions on women’s issues. So,if you feel you can’t support the
>> Obama campaign financially, may I suggest the following fiendishly
>> brilliant alternative?
>>
>> Make a $5 minimum donation to Planned Parenthood. In Sarah Palin’s name.
>>
>> A Planned Parenthood donation is tax deductible, while a political
>> donation isn’t.
>>
>> And here’s the good part: when you make a donation to PP in her name,
>> they’ll send her a card telling her that the donation has been made in
>> her honor.
>>
>> Here’s the link to the Planned Parenthood website:
>> https://secure.gal.org=02/pp10000_inhonor
>>
>> You’ll need to fill in the address to let PP know where to send the ‘in
>> Sarah Palin’s honor’ card. Use the address for the McCain campaign
>> headquarters:
>>
>> McCain for President/Sarah Palin
>> 1235 S. Clark Street
>> 1st Floor
>> Arlington, VA 22202
>>
>> Feel free to send this along to all your women friends as well as your
>> men friends and urge them to do the same. </HTML

25 09 2008
Jeri a.k.a. Bullpen Cola Palin

Sorry you can click on the website.. Love all of you and Thank you akm I don’t know were my head would be right now with out all of your wonderful information.

25 09 2008
Zim in Oz
25 09 2008
AnneinWA

@Andrew Greg and SMR

Regarding the Carl Bernstein article you mention above:

Title: The Palin Pick — The Devolution of McCain

These are the words I found most chilling:

“Three weeks after the 2008 Republican convention, on the cusp (maybe) of the first presidential debate, it is time to confront an awkward but profound question: whether in picking Sarah Palin as his running mate, John McCain has committed — by his own professed standards of duty and honor — a singularly unpatriotic act.

“I would rather lose a political campaign than lose a war,” he has said throughout this campaign. Yet, in choosing Palin, he has demonstrated — whatever his words — it may be permissible to imperil the country, conceivably even to “lose” it, in order to win the presidency. That would seem the deeper meaning of his choice of Palin.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/the-palin-pick—-the-dev_b_129373.html

25 09 2008
cal al

@ Regi (19:30:07)

Where is the “What would Jesus do?” philosophy? and who ahs Hubris and they (she) don’t not even know what it means….psychotic?

As Colbert says…”art is an excellent analogy”

http://www.abcgallery.com/B/bosch/bosch.html

25 09 2008
SMR

Okay, for those of you who are NOT offended by strong language you MUST see this. It’s about the Barracuda song playing at repub gatherings. I don’t know whether it’s real or whether it’s an Onion-type thing, but either way if you can handle the language it is a must-read.

Note that scarah’s old basketball coach was interviewed here in Alaska and he said “what?” when asked how she got that nickname (sarah barracuda). He said that he had never heard anyone on the team call her that, though perhaps other teams had called her that, but if they had that he’d never heard of it.

25 09 2008
25 09 2008
protus

What is McCain Thinking?

Ok we need another title like.

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT??

If anyone else happend to see what just happend this evening all I can say is that McCain has DROPPED THE BALL!

His presence at the meeting was useless unless you want to count the fact that he has given the house reptards the nerve to not show up at the meeting which was supposed to fix a problem that the country….

URGENTLY NEEDED???

Ok folks Debate is on theres no way this thing is going to be fixed in less than 3 weeks.

25 09 2008
Blue Idaho

I don’t know if anyone has posted this yet. More dirt on Palin.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092503988.html?hpid=topnews

25 09 2008
protus

Oh and Was Palin STONED???!!!!

She acted like she was high as hell in that interview.

25 09 2008
SMR

Sorry, had a sarah moment, forgot the link. Tried to post it but it didn’t work, so add the http and prepare to be amused:

://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/cease-and-desist-you-old-fart-by-ann-and-nancy-wilson-of-heart-267385/

25 09 2008
cal al

testing

25 09 2008
ds55

McCain did this on purpose. He went to Washington to create a cover for his secret hospital visit.

25 09 2008
SMR

Wow! $25,000 dollars in less than 2 years! Her per-day “gift” rate average is much higher than Ted Stevens’! He’s been in the senate for about 30 years or so, and is on trial over $250,000. Thanks for the heads up Blue Idaho. Getting some good ideas for signs for the rally this Saturday.

25 09 2008
Deb

zim-
that looks scary…..like they have been “manufacturing” a republican plan to roll out!!!!
SH######$$$%%^&&!!

25 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

Oh dear, I’m not feeling sorry for the woman, but I feel terribly embarassed for her. I feel she is unaware of how hopelessly inept she appears to the public. This is not a game of poker and her bluffing abilities just are not good. Everything aside, she just is not even remotely qualified to be sitting in the Vice-Presidential seat. It is beyond my comprehension that the Republican party could have been so unbelievalby stupid to have done this to themselves. It is actually painful to watch this poor woman trying to sound intelligent. It is just beyond belief.

25 09 2008
Sue

None of this astounds or surprises me. These people are greedy and care only about themselves. They will lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want. Barack Obama is the only one I trust; he has proven, throughout his adult life, that he cares more about others than about himself. He lives the Golden Rule.

25 09 2008
ds55

Letterman Top 10 from Wasilla, Alaska! WooHoo!

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Beautiful fall colors in Wasilla!

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Are they standing in front of Sarah’s dead lake?

25 09 2008
Deb

i am so tired of the republican “thugs” that have taken over our process that I’m ready to say NO BAILOUT….let the country fall….so much for their PARISAN politics!

25 09 2008
Deb

oops PARTISAN!

25 09 2008
Jeri a.k.a. Bullpen Cola Palin

https://secure.ga0.org/02/pp10000_inhonor
Here’s the right website to planned parenhood donors. I regularly donate to Obama/Biden, thought this is a great way to tell SP no way is she cracking the glass ceiling for women. Just more and much worse of the same.

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

I’d heard that before about her forgeign experience at the International House of Pancakes! Probably was here on Mudflats.

25 09 2008
Deb

Zim in Oz (19:35:28) :

Repubs delay deal….a trap ?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/25/22125/6901/488/610739

25 09 2008
Lulu

ds55 (19:45:20) wrote :
“McCain did this on purpose. He went to Washington to create a cover for his secret hospital visit.”

ds55 – I think you may be right!

25 09 2008
Enough Already AKA Emough Already

LOL@ Libs

Just watch some KO or Rachel and one good dose of mudflats and we’ll see you at the victory party. When I saw them air the Muthee video, I was ten years younger.

Siege and bpoint – Hard to believe anything they say, but not hard to believe that economic disaster is coming…

I knew the Fiscals would try to use this as an opportunity to press for more deregulation.

Oh i wish i had a real drink earlier. But I can’t afford hangovers.

25 09 2008
Sue

I say give the bailout money to the people. Divide it evenly among all US citizens who are taxpayers. We can use to money to pay off our mortgages and debts, thereby reviving the economy. If we have enough left over, we can buy new stuff, thereby creating new jobs. But to give that much money to the greedy, unscrupulous people who caused this mess is just abominable!

25 09 2008
Siege

SWWNBN’s supporters/voters will NOT feel sorry for her. They will make excuses and love her still. That is why I will not feel sorry for her. That and the fact that she chose this with gusto.

25 09 2008
Joan

Another responder reminded me of how Palin responded to Katie C’s question about personal overseas travel. SP responded that some young people had parents with money and could send their kids overseas. She was really derisive in her response. Guess what Sarah, lots of young, middle aged and older people travel the world by working at jobs for the money to do it. I sensed jealousy in her answer. Everywhere I’ve traveled when I was younger I paid for myself by working 47 years.

The looks that are coming on some reporters’ faces when Palin speaks/answers questions is amazing. And my reaction is the same. She is hell on earth.

25 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

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25 09 2008
G. Stone

You go girl!

“Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who has made a crackdown on gift-giving to state officials a centerpiece of her ethics reform agenda, has accepted gifts valued at $25,367 from industry executives, municipalities and a cultural center whose board includes officials from some of the largest mining interests in the state, a review of state records shows. ” Washington Post today!

You gotta read this one to believe it – thanks for the link, Blue Idaho – she’s passing ethics legislation that forbids the very things she’s doing and she sees the passage of this ethics legislation as a key accomplishment!

Oh – and as to speculation about McCain being sick, or crazy, or a puppet being run by Rovian Clones, forget it.

We are seeing the same John McCain that has always been there. And I think he’s running his campaign. He’s making the decisions. The problem is, we’ve known him as a senator where his erratic – and dramatic – decision making wasn’t that important to us. When you see it day after day – select Palin, postpone the Convention, maybe go to New Orleans, “suspend” his campaign – say the economy is fine, say it’s a disaster and needs our immediate attention – that different. But this is the real John McCain and what’s more, he knows it. Look at what he wrote in his book in 2002:

“I don’t torture myself over decisions. I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow if I can. Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”

The only problem with it is, as president he would be asking all of us to live with the consequences of his hasty mistakes without complaint. And the biggest of these nasty mistakes so far is Palin as vp.

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Bec in Illinois (18:59:47) :

I don’t know bPoint – just read on Kos that WaMu was seized tonight by federal regulators.
———————————-
OMG! I just read you post and went over there and read the story and comments. This on a Thursday and not on a Friday amid this storm of events.

Do people yet realize what this means?

Here is a comment from over there at Daily Kos. I will have to research tomorrow to see if these numbers are accurate:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/25/22240/9476/478/610757

A COMMENTER WROTE:
” What did disapear was $78 billion in equity (0+ / 0-)

there were 1.7 billion in WaMu shares out there, 12 months ago they were worth $40 each, and real people with real money bought them, a week ago they were worth $10 each now they are worth nothing.

So what was lost was not debt but equity, thats peoples 401K, pensions and savings. f you want the simple version the economy is missing $78 billion today that it had a year ago.”

If there was not the confidence barrier of the F.D.I.C. in the public this would definitely be 1929 with panic in the streets and full tilt runs on banks. When this all started the F.D.I.C reserves were at $60 billion I think. Indy Mac took it down $8 billion I think I heard on a radio show. But another commenter over there said reserves are at $45 billion and this may take it down $35 billion (the largest bank failure in American history it says over there?)

So what happens if this keeps going?

We are in mind numbing free fall and so much is happening that people cannot keep track?

You take a night off to go to the movies or something and your 401K is imploding. This will have to effect everyone at some level?

The last eight years we lived through the worst government in 230 years! Just unbelievable.

And now the indignity of the Sarah Palin completely irresponsible selection.

Just incredible! A nation of total, complete idiots!

Has anyone here heard anything more about Washington Mutual going under?

25 09 2008
Enough Already AKA Emough Already

I hate to sound macabre, but McCain looks REAL sick. His neck is carrying so much scar tissue and hanging skin it casts a shadow across the stage.

Look at how the WH aged Bill C, in a year he aged 5 years. Imagine McCain in a year if he makes it.

Poor guy looks like a kickstand is propping him up. Like their are strings suspended from the rafters. Imagine the leader of the free world who can’t scratch his own back or open an email.

Grumpiest Old Men III ( did they make that movie already?)

25 09 2008
Joe C

The idea of Obama going ahead with a solo Town Hall meeting if McCain doesn’t show up to debate has me on two sides.

The first black American to reach the finals for the Presidency standing and fielding free-wheeling questions in an auditorium of thousands in the heart of the Old South will still be a significant event.

However, then there are the scary thoughts. I can’t imagine what the Secret Service must be going through.

25 09 2008
lower48nik

The forms will] show whether she and her husband, Todd, hold any mortgages for real estate investments, and roughly how much any property held for investment purposes is worth. The financial reports that Sarah Palin filed as Alaska governor list property the couple held at that point, but not how much it was worth; how much, if any, profit they made on real estate sales; or how much, if any, mortgage debt they held.

during the radio show “hearings” about Sarah Palin, one person stood up and discussed the fact that Palin right after becoming governor allowed changes to the Alaska residential code (that stipulates standards for how residences are built, such as distance the septic is from the well, or how the wiring is done). Apparently Wasilla is 6-10 miles from a mountain that is a major fault line, and “The Big One” could hit Wasilla someday.

The lack of a residential code that causes homes to be built that will be “earthquake proof” or at least resistant is a serious matter.

Mudflats, why don’t you cross reference Palin’s known real estate partnerships and see if any housing was built on those properties that would have been a direct personal benefit — cheaper development costs — of this change in residential code, if the speaker was correct about that?

25 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

Just watching Larry King. Who is the republican congresswoman with the constant Stepford frozen smile on her face who just said “He clung the bell”. CLUNG???? That’s not even a word?

25 09 2008
Frickles Mudcat Palin

How did this woman get voted into office in Alaska? How? Didn’t anyone see through this stinky pile of crap?

God help us…

25 09 2008
ds55

//Joan (20:06:39) : Another responder reminded me of how Palin responded to Katie C’s question about personal overseas travel. SP responded that some young people had parents with money and could send their kids overseas.//

Sarah should remember her running mate is a multi-millionaire whose kids have traveled the world.

25 09 2008
Deb

while we sit here chatting about sarah, the republicans are staging a COUP of our election over the economy! I just wrote to ALL of my representatives and said NO GO with a PARTISAN bail-out plan by the republicans!
This is worse than shameful, it’s a slap in the face to our democratic process!

25 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

@ds55

Given her rambling and incomprehensible responses to Katie Couric’s questions, I think the poor delusional woman is having problems remembering anything – certainly she is having problems remembering the ‘talking points’ which she has been fed by her handlers/wranglers.

25 09 2008
ds55

//VP, Flat Earth Society (20:18:10) : Just watching Larry King. Who is the republican congresswoman with the constant Stepford frozen smile on her face who just said “He clung the bell”. CLUNG???? That’s not even a word?//

Michele Bachman from Minnesota.

25 09 2008
Anchor Jack

@Steph (16:51:30) : “Whew…close call. I think (my husband thought) “there’s a pretty lady and she is really dumb, maybe I can score” instinct…”

1) She ain’t pretty!
2) She is pretty dumb!!
3. Most men feel an obligation to protect fools and assist the handicapped!!!

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Flat earth – I switched to Larry King too – and yeah – her frozen smile is making me ill. I can spot a former beauty pageant contestant. Egads. Rep. Michele Bachman (thanks DVR). Will have to google her!

25 09 2008
Dee

Torpedo Vindicator Palin here ( I LOVE my name). Well it’s very early Friday here in PA . Can’t wait to see what antics unfold later today.
I have said many times, but it bears repeating, thank you so much AKM for allowing us the opportunity to read the truth and ask fair questions, and laugh (and cry) with like minded individuals. Try and get some rest, fellow mudflatters. It’s going to be a looooooong day.

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

This link is just up on HuffPo at midnight. This is the largest bank failure in American history. In the days ahead look for the amount of money this WaMu failure is going to take from the F.D.I.C reserve for insured bank deposits. We are in serious trouble people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/jp-morgan-to-buy-wamu-ass_n_129451.html

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Hamlets – my head is spinning with the banking news. I don’t know where this merry-go-round will stop.

25 09 2008
SMR

Re: Joan’s comments
“Another responder reminded me of how Palin responded to Katie C’s question about personal overseas travel. SP responded that some young people had parents with money and could send their kids overseas. ”

Sarah’s parents were (are?) teachers. They could not have afforded to take their several children on extended trips to Europe, but could still have instilled in her a respect for & curiousity about other countries. Sarah has earned in excess of $60,000 per year for years. Her short stint at DNR was a job that paid over $120,000 per year. Her husband has earned approx $150,000 working on the slope for many many years. She can buy floatplanes & snowmobiles & SUVs, but cannot pay for trips to Europe? Those poor kids of hers probably rarely left Alaska until mummy was getting trips on the State’s dime!

My daughters have been all over the world with my husband and I! Our toddler has a passport full of stamps! We don’t have a plane or snowmobiles, but we have lots of great memories & a keen appreciation for other countries, their culture & history!

But scarah cannot let down that facade she’s created that she is “real folk” — if she admits to choosing NOT to spend their ample funds on trips then she is exposed as (has been noted many times) uninterested in the world outside of Wasilla or even Alaska. And she is desperately trying to suck in the votes of mothers who think she’s just like them. It will be interesting when the financial stuff comes out, as “real people” who think she can relate to them will understand that they it has all been an act. She cannot relate to them, she has been “chosen by God” for greater things, and she & her hubby are upper-middle class (in terms of money ONLY). See ya struggling mother voters!

25 09 2008
Deb

it’s not good, Bec…this will play into McCain the “maverick” definitely NOT going to the debate…because the situation just got MORE critical, not less. and the republicans will try to push their “new, improved” bail out plan through…making mccain look like the HERO…not good at ALL…

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

I wonder where the Palin family will move to on Nov. 5th, surely they won’t stay in Wasilla to be “the talk of the town” and watching her fall on her butt nationally.

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Ouch – I just found the Dump Michele Bachman blog: Michele Bachmann is Minnesota’s Answer to Florida’s Katherine Harris. She is obsessed with gays at the expense of representing her district. This blog is here to chronicle Michele Bachmann’s antics.

I remember her from the convention. She has 5 kids, too. More power to her, she also has had 23 foster kids. But the Katherine Harris comparison — gag. (Still bet I’ll find she was Miss Winona or something)

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

WaMu got bailed ?? Oh my — wonder if I still have an IRA ?

25 09 2008
Deb

kos has the story, enjay

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Reuters has a bit of insight of what might be down the road

“”BEIJING, Sept 25 (Reuters) – Chinese regulators have told domestic banks to stop interbank lending to U.S. financial institutions to prevent possible losses during the financial crisis, the South China Morning Post reported on Thursday.

The Hong Kong newspaper cited unidentified industry sources as saying the instruction from the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) applied to interbank lending of all currencies to U.S. banks but not to banks from other countries.””

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSPEK16693720080925

25 09 2008
snowbelle

Ugh. I posted earlier about Michele Bachman. She’s Minnesota’s Sarah Palin. I can’t believe they’re letting her speak in public!

Aaaargh!

25 09 2008
Weird Coincidence

Over in the Obama Sign watch a few minutes ago someone named “OM” typed in ‘let’s levitate O’Jeffrey’, and then the gnome FELL OVER a second later. It was really weird. There were a lot of people there. i am not kidding it happened for real. Weird! Someone tell me how that happened?

25 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

@ HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

The following is from the Huffington Post article you posted:

“The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which insures bank deposits, said it would NOT have to dip into the insurance fund as a result of the seizure. There had been concerns that the fund, which took a big hit after the seizure in July of IndyMac Bank, could be depleted by a WaMu seizure.”

25 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh(Mooseguts trailertrash Palin)

Alaska lawmakers: McCain campaign interfering in Palin probe

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/palin.probe/

25 09 2008
Deb

ouch…that’s not good, enjay…not good at all! our markets are intricately tied internationally …if china is bailing on our banks, then others may follow…and the world is probably giggling a bit at the folly of americans and their leadership!

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

Chris Rock on Larry King is on a roll! Chris says he’s goin’ with the guy with ONE HOUSE! If Obama lost his house, he’d be homeless – McCain could lose half of his houses and sleep well! Rock says JMc would provide great for political humor – he could get out his Reagan jokes and dust them off. I need a little humor!

25 09 2008
NSWFM

Lost her confidence? She sucks at governing Alaska and Wasilla, and she thought she was ready for prime time.

Jeez, I’m 41 days older than she is, have been to Canada, Mexico, Ethiopia, England, Lebanon, Cyprus, Italy, France, Switzerland, Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong in 1982 and 1997, China. I’ve made refueling stops in Tahiti and in Japan.

I could do a better job than she can and it only took me 4 years to graduate from college with one of the toughest of degrees, and I paid for it with my summer/school year jobs and scholarships. I had twice the money saved when I came out of college than when I went in in 1982. I am therefore a fiscal conservative instead of a tax-and-spend mayor like she was.

I was a registered “Decline to State” until I saw SHRUB was running, and I registered as a Democrat to give more help to Gore, because even back then, I saw Bush 43 was going to be the ruination of this country if he was elected. Which he wasn’t thanks to the Supreme Court.

SHE WAS DELUSIONAL. The fools that picked her were delusional. This is rolling down hill fast and I hope there is nothing that stops this campaign from falling off the cliff. They have earned it for throwing the country and the world under the bus

25 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Before I am totally brain-fried- I need to hang it up for the night. But I just had a really great laugh out loud moment (needed it after the Sox lost tonight and the economic crises) — I was trying to find if Michele – who Larry seems to love to have on — was a beauty pageant contestant – and I found this article about her King appearance with James Carville – discussing Palin. Gotta love Carville, he really made me laugh out loud —

“The question is why would she be running for vice president. I mean, this woman is almost absent qualifications for the job,” Carville told King, during an appearance with Rep. Michele Bachman, a Republican from Minnesota who supports Sen. McCain.

“She easily has more qualifications than Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden put together, if you look at executive experience,” responded Bachman. “She’s been in a executive position for two years. . . this is a woman who’s delivered and she knows how to get things done.”

“They tout her experience as mayor of this town in Alaska,” said Carville. “This is the picture of the City Hall. It looks like a bait shop in South Louisiana,” the Baton Rouge native said. “This is executive experience to be Vice President of the United States, to be a heart beat away from the presidency, to have to take over the country when we’re fighting three wars, when we’re having the biggest credit crisis we’ve had in this country?”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/02/prominent-clinton-supporter-slams-palin-says-shes-not-qualified/

Good nite all – looking forward to the debate chat tomorrow.

25 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

JM&SP on a fishing expedition.

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

Chris RocK on Palin – I gave more interviews today than Palin has done running for VP!
And when she does do an interview, after 3 or 4 minutes, you start feeling sorry for her!
It’s kinda’ like she’s got all that ass and can’t shake it!🙂

25 09 2008
whichferret

Steph,

Saw on a comment a couple of posts back that you are from Shawnee. Have you signed in at the forum? Go Johnson County

Whichferret aka Trough Gutted Palin

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

Is everyone planning on showing up here tomorrow night for the debate/town hall meeting?

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

VP, Flat Earth Society (20:35:35) :

@ HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

The following is from the Huffington Post article you posted:

“The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which insures bank deposits, said it would NOT have to dip into the insurance fund as a result of the seizure. There had been concerns that the fund, which took a big hit after the seizure in July of IndyMac Bank, could be depleted by a WaMu seizure.”
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Yes. I just read it too. I posted the link coming off of Daily Kos before I read the entire article which had just appeared on HuffPo. Whew if this is true!

I guess that is why J.P. Morgan Chase was the best outcome. They can bear it without touching the F.D.I.C. If the nation survives all this. The Internet is the NEW POLITICS FROM NOW ON. Communities like Mudflats born out of people who can think. Communities like this must grow and watchdog this nation on every political bill, law, regulation, and financial market maneuver for the next 1,000 years. The corporate MSM has totally failed once again. Another 9/11. This one financial. Political parties run by sociopaths, psychopaths, and mental cases. No more! I am not standing for it anymore. If Barack and the Internet can take over, we have a chance to save out country.

I love every one of you people!

May this be all of us on November 4th, 2008 to get ashore and take our country back from these utter morons. I am a veteran and I am f**king pissed.

25 09 2008
BobbyG

Speaking in tongues:

COURIC: You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land boundary that we have with Canada. It’s funny that a comment like that was — kind of made to — carry — I don’t know, you know? Reporters —

COURIC: Mocked?

PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that’s the word, yeah.

COURIC: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.

PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our — our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They’re in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia —

COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We — we do — it’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where — where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to — to our state.

Unreal. Somebody, shake me, wake me. Please.

25 09 2008
katiebegood

Assuming, of course, that there is a debate. I’m betting there won’t be. The Republicans are desperately looking for a way to get her out of the debate after her dismal performance in the Katie Couric interview.

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

BobbyG (20:51:27) :

Speaking in tongues:

Unreal. Somebody, shake me, wake me. Please.
___

Sorry BobbyG,

But that’s what being awake in the USA IS right now – inbelieveable!

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

inbelieveable=unbelieveable

25 09 2008
katiebegood

Enjay aka Turbine Yukon (20:34:13) :

Reuters has a bit of insight of what might be down the road

“”BEIJING, Sept 25 (Reuters) – Chinese regulators have told domestic banks to stop interbank lending to U.S. financial institutions to prevent possible losses during the financial crisis, the South China Morning Post reported on Thursday.

That’s why the Bush Administration is so hysterical about getting the bailout bill passed. If China refuses to loan us any more money, who is going to fund the occupation of Iraq?

25 09 2008
ds55

//katiebegood (20:56:01) : Assuming, of course, that there is a debate. I’m betting there won’t be. The Republicans are desperately looking for a way to get her out of the debate after her dismal performance in the Katie Couric interview.//

I think tomorrow’s presidential debate will happen. I agree the Repubs are looking for ways to avoid the VP debate on Oct 2nd.

25 09 2008
katiebegood

Deb (20:30:37) :

it’s not good, Bec…this will play into McCain the “maverick” definitely NOT going to the debate…because the situation just got MORE critical, not less. and the republicans will try to push their “new, improved” bail out plan through…making mccain look like the HERO…not good at ALL…

There is nothing “new and improved” about the plan the neoCon’s are trying to push. It has nothing for Main Street and everything for Wall Street. For gods sake the main part of their plan is to suspend capital gains taxes entirely.

If McCain had done what he has done to champion a bill that would save us taxpayers from shouldering the burden of this bailout, he would be in fat city. But he showed up in Washington with no idea what the neoCON bill was all about and hasn’t said he would support it. On the other hand, he still doesn’t know what the Paulson plan is all about. He can’t be bothered to investigate either. Obama, on the other hand, has read the plan he had access to and has been meeting with economists and government officials for over a week.

This is all going to cave in on McCain. If, by blowing up the compromise plan the bi-partisan congress came up with, the markets crash, McCain is going to be blamed.

25 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

To AKM: Just watched David Letterman’s countdown from Wasillia. First of all the fall colors are absolutely beautiful. Colorado’s trees will be at peak this weekend. Secondly, did you know anyone who was doing the top ten? Boy, if they are truly Wasllian residents…they are brave.

To all worrying about the bail-out breakdown: Just spent 2-3 hours reading assorted blogs…probably 95% of the comments linked this to McCain. His grandstanding and possible no show tomorrow night could be the final drip in his campaign.

As far as WAMU–no clue. As days go by, as time goes by, it gets scarier. Just a heads up…if you have any gold, silver, metal, money in your safe deposit boxes get it out now. I hate playing into conspiracy theories but I read something on a blog that scared the bejeebers out of me. So, I just want to give every one a heads up. Do it before October 1.

Oh by the way, David Letterman is really PO’d at McCain. Another 20 minutes of ranting about him. Every time he can he gets in a jab. Please let him sway voters.

Okay…big hugs to all mudpuppies!!

25 09 2008
katiebegood

ds55 (21:02:12) :
I think tomorrow’s presidential debate will happen. I agree the Repubs are looking for ways to avoid the VP debate on Oct 2nd.

I’ll bet you $5.00 that McCain doesn’t show up tomorrow night. He thinks that it will do him less damage to not show up than to show up.

I’ll also bet you $5.00 that the VP debate ends up in being canceled. My scenario is that Ms. Palin will have to go home to Alaska for a family emergency. It will probably be Bristol’s miscarriage.

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

sorry for delay — my homepage got bogged in a loop and I was stuck.

Plan on coming here and refreshing often —

Another note to AKM — Chat rooms !!!! 😉

25 09 2008
Bobg

This one sentence is in the bailout legislation. Watchout America; now the ride gets hairier.

“Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.”

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

What’s in my IRA(s) – isn’t alot – am hoping since much of it is mutual funds ~ I’ll take some hits – but still have a bit for my wee old age.

‘Sides – when the markets drop – thats the time to buy.

25 09 2008
Observer aka Rankle Hiway

During the rollout of the Iraq war one of the members of Bush’s inner circle commented that you don’t roll out a new product in August; you wait until September. I felt a chill when I read that Bush has had the bailout plan ready to go for months. And here we are in September.

To bPoint: I have had the same thought–that if the Republicans can tie up all the money (and save their main constituency doing it), then the next administration (likely the Democrats) will have no resources to fund health care, etc. Bush has already tried to lock us long term into Iraq.

Remember Grover Norquist’s declaration that he wanted to starve the federal government to the point he could drag it to the bathtub and drown it? Maybe Plan B (since the Republicans have fattened the government themselves) is to engorge it and let it topple over instead.

BTW, Barney Frank has been brilliant for decades. when I see him in the midst of these negotiatioins, I relax a little bit.

25 09 2008
cal al

OK people,

I am feeling dismal again tonight. My mom thinks that I am paranoid for thinking that fascism is around the corner I sent her the Naomi Wolf article. She doesn’t see why I am feeling so paranoid about the republican strategy to diminish the middle class.

I think that perhaps that I did not see enough Obama hope today and now I am getting jittery. How could Wa-mu fail?…and how do the McCain republicans manage to derail the bail-out.

I have to admit that at first, I was skeptical about the bail-out. Now that the McCain re-pugs are against it, I am not so sure. Maybe it was the only way to save the banking system.

I heard on NPR today that Sweden went through a similar downturn. That gave me some hope, but then I got home and listened to the news. Now I have pretty much nothing and so I pretty much nothing to lose…..I pity those people who have worked and planned and have made responsible choices.

I am going to bed sad and frustrated. How low can McCain go?

25 09 2008
ds55

//katiebegood (21:07:25)//
If McCain doesn’t show up to debate tomorrow, I will think it’s because he’s had a secret medical procedure or treatment and is stealing time to recuperate.

I think your scenario of Palin cancelling her VP debate is very possible.

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

AnneinWA (20:50:25) :

Is everyone planning on showing up here tomorrow night for the debate/town hall meeting?
———————–
I’ll be here. So that is at least two of us! I think McCain will show. If he doesn’t I think it is the end. Everything will be in chaos. Same with the VP debate. This is all insane. I just can’t take much more of it. We need steady, rational thinking in all this chaos. And we got the Sarah Plain/John McCain ticket (in that order). Unbelievable.

I do enjoy your posts AnneinWA! Finding Mudflats is truly the most positive thing that has come out of all this. It is truly wonderful to meet all of you here!

25 09 2008
Bobg

I should clarify my post above. That was in the original Paulson plan. In other words give me a blank check and don”t let anyone ask me any questions.

25 09 2008
karen

Hey, there’s absolutely no reason to be critical of Barney Frank’s speach impediment, shame on you, He has a great record of telling the truth, yes, he’s gay & has always told the truth about that also. Unlike McCains waterboy Sen. Lindsey Graham who refuses to come out & votes against all gay rights.

25 09 2008
Suchanut

I keep having a flash back to Hillary, when she and Bill were on 60 minutes, saying it was a “vast right wing conspiracy.”

And here we are.

The word “vast” doesn’t begin to describe it.

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Should “nature take its course”? We build dams & levy’s – but the water still finds a way.

I surely don’t want to go thru a depression – financially & employment wise, both my husband & I are – not in bad shape. Less than $1,000 on our Credit Card, one vehicle payment and a house payment (less than $500 a month) So we are better off than many. Both our jobs are pretty secure – he’s in agriculture (grain elevator) and I am a clerk for a parts supply store. Even if we take cut in salary ~ we’ll be pretty good. (Better than many)

I am very afraid that much of what the government will by with this $700B will be time, time for the entire collapse to happen on Obama’s watch. If Foreign investors pull their money & support – we will hurt. Then again, maybe it is time for the US to take stock of our own citizens. We send billions of grain to other countries – while we are paying $3. for a loaf of bread. I just can’t believe that “further borrowing” will solve the problem.

As a banker for almost 20 yrs – I’ve seen the constant “re-fi” cycle of homes and cars and credit card debt. In many cases, without financial counselling and strict budget, they are still headed for bankruptcy.

If it is going to collapse – lets have it happen on GW’s watch!

25 09 2008
Suchanut

Enjay – wow….you have a unique perspective. Please talk more about this….

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

What part lol

25 09 2008
BobbyG

25 09 2008
strangelet (BORC BORC PALIN)

Bobg — I don’t think Section 8 is in there anymore, although I guess now we don’t really know what’s up (again).

About the disclosures — I’m inclined to think this is nothing much. It’s not likely that the contents of Palin’s financials would be a topic in the VP debate, anyhow. If there is something funny in there, it can be exposed after she gets drubbed by Biden. (And, unless the Palin/McCain campaign is REALLY devious and she’s been pretending incompetence, I’m not worried that she is gonna somehow pull off an upset. She’s got appearance and composure down, but with a whole series of questions to address, rote talking points are not gonna work).

Of course, that reasoning assumes that there is actually going to be a VP debate. But if not, her disclosure comes no later that 10/6, or I guess someone slaps her hand.

Hey, this is the Palin/McCain Campaign (P/MC). They very well may have made a mistake and thought the disclosure was DUE ON A SATURDAY.

25 09 2008
ds55

//Suchanut (21:25:41) : I keep having a flash back to Hillary, when she and Bill were on 60 minutes, saying it was a “vast right wing conspiracy.”//

It’s partly organized conspiracy, and partly a random collection of half-wits fighting over power and money.

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA
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Hick Town in W PA

Good analysis of McCain’s maneuver at …http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26campaign.html?hp

25 09 2008
Suchanut

ds55 (21:32:53) :

Everyone assumes Rove is pulling the strings in all of this.
But recently, I have seen comments that state Rove is totally out of it.

What do you think?

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Guess I just believe they called for “the middle class” to sandbag the dike (with 700B bags) – and as long as these “derivitives” are still allowed as an investment, we will be the ones getting sandbagged.

And if there is a bailout agreement – what happens to the dollar? It won’t be worth its current … possible 78.5 cents Will Gas & Gold be the new currency? Am sure there are smarter ppl out there that have a much better idea.

25 09 2008
Suchanut

Marti – are you going on Saturday?

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Poor Mav – he really should have vetted her

25 09 2008
Suchanut

Enjay – I bet he wishes he’d done a better job of that.

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

I also believe the Section on oversight has been removed – at least till McC got his two cents in there

25 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

About time for bed here — I plan on being here tomorrow night for the debate – even if it is one sided — we can play “how would McC answer”

25 09 2008
strangelet (BORC BORC PALIN)

Lower48nik: Aside from whatever faults may be near Wasilla, it is simple history that Anchorage suffered the largest North American earthquake of the 20th century. I was there a few years later, and there were still whole city blocks in the downtown area that were just vacant. (Actually, maybe some of the parks come from that).

AKM, do you happen to know if Palin actually weakened earthquake codes? That would be (oh, why am I saying this?) unbelievably stupid.

25 09 2008
ds55

//Suchanut (21:38:09) : //

I think Rove advised McCain, but McCain rejected some of Rove’s suggestions. Rove may have stepped back, but he’ll never be completely gone.

25 09 2008
marti

I am going on saturday!! It will be huge. Doesn’t anyone care that Palin accepted over 25K in gifts in her 20 months as governor. This is it for her I think.

25 09 2008
NoCalGal

This IS very troubling news…

Reuters has a bit of insight of what might be down the road

“”BEIJING, Sept 25 (Reuters) – Chinese regulators have told domestic banks to stop interbank lending to U.S. financial institutions to prevent possible losses during the financial crisis, the South China Morning Post reported on Thursday.

The Hong Kong newspaper cited unidentified industry sources as saying the instruction from the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) applied to interbank lending of all currencies to U.S. banks but not to banks from other countries.””

It is well known that the war in Iraq has been funded by loans from the Chinese.. no loans, no payment for the troops etc. – Ladies & Gentlemen, I do now believe that the depression is upon us. I hope I can remember all the ways my parents survived the last one…

I have my retirement at WAMU.. MAYBE the FDIC will have the $$, maybe they own’t; even if I move it out of WAMU where is safe? The mattress? pffft.

I am glad to have you all here to hold hands as we sink down… and I hope we do not sink too far- I feel sorry for Obama (not McCain or Palin) but Obama- he is the one who is going to have to try and get us out of this….

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

cal al (21:13:51) :

OK people,

I am feeling dismal again tonight. My mom thinks that I am paranoid for thinking that fascism is around the corner I sent her the Naomi Wolf article. She doesn’t see why I am feeling so paranoid about the republican strategy to diminish the middle class.

I think that perhaps that I did not see enough Obama hope today and now I am getting jittery. How could Wa-mu fail?…and how do the McCain republicans manage to derail the bail-out.

I have to admit that at first, I was skeptical about the bail-out. Now that the McCain re-pugs are against it, I am not so sure. Maybe it was the only way to save the banking system.
——————————–
cal al,

Easy brother. Get your rest. We’ll all be here tomorrow for support. Sleep well.

25 09 2008
Suchanut

NoCalGal (21:50:31) :

My hubby works in the business and said that there at two banks in England that need 1/3 of the the 700 Billion.

Holy carp!

25 09 2008
liz

i’m just so tired of mccain/palin and their shitty dishonesty with the american people.

the truly sad thing is that probably 50% of these americans are eating it up, thinking it’s chocolate, and that it’s true and right – not seeing it for the shit that it is.

ugh.

obama/biden allllll the way.

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Wasilla Watch: Sarah Palin and the Rape Kits …http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/opinion/26fri4.html?ref=opinion

I hope this issue comes up in the VP debate because Biden’s legislation directly forbid state eligibility for federal funds if they charged for rape kits and exams. McCain voted against this bill.

This so totally enrages me about both of them. Scum!

25 09 2008
strangelet (BORC BORC PALIN)

Siege — your theory about the Bailout Theater being completely staged is interesting. At the moment, though, what we’ve heard about the “new improved” conservative House Repo plan says that it is terrible. Its “good” point is that it doesn’t require any bulk commitment of federal funds. Its bad points are: it’s an insurance scheme where no one has any way of estimating the risk or , therefore, the needed premiums; it actually reduces regulation of the crap that caused the problem; and therefore, it probably won’t work and sets the stage for an even bigger fiasco in the future.

That’s what’s WRONG with it. But on top of that, it even has (or lacks) features that people will actually not LIKE: no limits on executive compensation for the yo-yos that helped create the crisis; a two year suspension of the capital gains tax (Holy Grail for Repub politicians, but most people understand it doesn’t do them personally any good); no backstop for the taxpayers if the insurance premiums prove inadequate to cover the bills.

It’s pretty hard to understand the financial derivative instruments that caused this mess, but it’s not too hard to figure out who’s going to be holding the bag — under any plan — if the toxic assets prove to be REALLY toxic. Under the House Repo plan, it’s easy to show that the bag-holders are the taxpayers.

People seem to be actually paying attention to this. I don’t think they’re going to be distracted by a shiny object.

What’s more, it will be seen by regular folks as terrible compared to the “sort-of-consensus” plan: no limits on executive compensation,

25 09 2008
strangelet (BORC BORC PALIN)

Whoops. Last paragraph is editing slag.

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (21:20:55) :

Is everyone planning on showing up here tomorrow night for the debate/town hall meeting?
———————–
I’ll be here. So that is at least two of us! I think McCain will show. If he doesn’t I think it is the end. Everything will be in chaos. Same with the VP debate. This is all insane. I just can’t take much more of it. We need steady, rational thinking in all this chaos. And we got the Sarah Plain/John McCain ticket (in that order). Unbelievable.

I do enjoy your posts AnneinWA! Finding Mudflats is truly the most positive thing that has come out of all this. It is truly wonderful to meet all of you here!

___

Hamlet,

I enjoy your posts too! I am pleased at least the two of us will be here for the debate. I have been reading and keeping up with you Mudflatters today, but I had to take a break.

Yesterday I was running around with my hair on fire, ready to purchase a plane ticket to DC so I could find McCain and bitch-slap him, then head for NY and scrub the lipstick off that pitbull – taking no prisoners – just kickin’ ass and taking names! Lovely, yes? So much for this peace lover. There I was with flames shooting out of my nostrils after Johnny Mc canceled the debates…especially after checking on my teacher’s retirement account and realizing it truly does need bailing out! Yikes.

So I took a break today. I called the local Obama office and i am going to work there tomorrow. I am not gonna’ burn out now – maybe Nov 5th – but not now! From now on I’m calling myself “Yes We Can Anne!”

@cal al

Allow yourself to feel dismal tonight. Then get some rest, get back up, and let’s go to work to take our country back. We can do it. Take it from me – this aging hippie has been down before (like…uh…yesterday!), but I think that’s part of the Republican strategy…to simply wear us out with their antics. Let’s get mad as hell and not take it any more. Get real quiet…listen to the Alaskans scream…then we should set a time at which we all go outside and do the same. We could SCREAM and ask Alaskans to listen. Maybe Teacher’s webcam boy could film us simultaneously – oh yeah, that could be hard huh? Sometimes I think we Mudflatters are all together, in the same place (screwed?…oops! off topic). And if all else fails, SMILE.

Yes I can Anne AKA GUZZLE RED PALIN

25 09 2008
Sue

What would be so awful about NOT having a bailout?

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Palin to return donations from tainted politicians …http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Palin-Tainted-Donors.html

geeee

25 09 2008
Sue

I think Sarah suffers from ADD. She can’t seem to focus on anything. (except maybe wolves)

25 09 2008
Polly

Hold Palin Accountable Rally
Saturday

http://alaskahockeymomsforobama.com/?p=444

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Hey AnneinWA

It is just so hard …. watch the people you like on TV and feel up; that’s interupted by a total congressional meltdown; then a bank failure. Hard to catch your breath. I bought a bottle of Cherry Kijava to cheer me up. Haven’t drunk the stuff since college.

25 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Ok everyone. I’m exhausted. Going to bed now at 2:38 Am on the East Coast to get up for work at 8AM tomorrow. But before I go, I have a NEW WORLDWIDE AWARD for tonight on this thread with all it’s troubling news. Last night I gave out the prestigious “Maximum Overdrive Dixie Boy Truck Stop Award For Feminine Outrage” (MO Award) to KittenStCyr and NMR.

Tonight’ s award is for EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD WORLDWIDE.

It is the coveted “THEY LIVE Magic Glasses For Direct To VHS Truth Award”.

Good night all worldwide here on the Mudflats!

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

*HamletsMill

Night! Shooting down county!

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

Good nite Hamlet! Sleep well…for a couple hours…before work.

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

Hick Town in W PA (22:39:27) :

It is just so hard …. watch the people you like on TV and feel up; that’s interupted by a total congressional meltdown; then a bank failure. Hard to catch your breath. I bought a bottle of Cherry Kijava to cheer me up. Haven’t drunk the stuff since college.

Hick T,

I have been like a raving yo-yo lately. I don’t even know what Cherry Kijava is, but let me know just HOW good it makes you feel, okay? I don’t drink, but this election, accompanied by the economic meltdown has me thinkin’ about startin’ – practin’ m’ Palin!

25 09 2008
AnneinWA

OKAY – WHERE ARE THE BRITS? THEY ARE USUALLY HER BY NOW TO COVER OUR BACKS WHILE WE SLEEP!

25 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

Sarahs’ admirers hit out at the media’s treatment of her:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/24/politics/fromtheroad/entry4475744.shtml

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Cherry Kijava is Danish cherry wine …

25 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Brits are here!!! Don’t worry, you can sleep easy…

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

I can’t do this stuff sober any more

25 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

I didn’t really appreciate all the stuff on CNN about SP losing her “confidence.”

The Empress just has no clothes and they were all afraid to say it.

Her interview is embarrassing and scary. If she is worried about “caricatures,” which I think is the word she was groping for when Catie helped her with “mock,” then she just created another one of herself. She’s a woman who can’t string a sentence together coherently at a time when communication skills rule the universe.

Did anyone think it was horrible when Palin said to Katie Couric: “You know how these reporters are.” Who the blip did she think she was talking to, anyway?

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

First comes anger and then comes despair …. that’s what many of her supporters are going through. She is not defensible as the candidate for anything.

25 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Her ignorance is monumental. Obviously she was only self-concerned during her life experience and isn’t aware of anything else. I thought she was supposed to have minored in poli-sci. It’s obvious that nothing stuck.

25 09 2008
kvass

I know all you ladies have the right sort of connections to be VP but I bet you don’t have that cute little squint condition that your parents should have had corrected when you were a child. It is beyond me why men seem to be attracted to ladies with slight squint conditions but there you are. This whole election could be decided because 35 or so years ago her parents took her to an orthodontist instead.

25 09 2008
akmuckraker

Open thread is up, and forums are open!
Night all!

25 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

I know that for you folks on the East Coast, The Daily Show was several hours ago, but now I understand just why I feel like I’m living in a parallel universe. Same hallway, same carpet, same speech — 5 years later, different crisis. And then there was the McCain timeline from everything’s cool, to it’s a huge crisis, to I just received the plan (Monday) to I haven’t had a chance to read it yet (Tuesday), to I’m suspending my campaign to go play hero (wednesday), to oooops, that bi-partisan bi-cameral agreement just blew up (Thursday).

And then there’s that pesky list of Sen. Shelby’s 200 economists. Funny how it seems to have originated at the Chicago School…
http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/john.cochrane/research/Papers/mortgage_protest.htm
Now, isn’t that special. Somebody please tell me my suspicions of disaster capitalism and shock therapy aren’t real… Please????

25 09 2008
you can reschedule, but you can’t hide « angryXer

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25 09 2008
califpat

Hey Mudflatters:
Just another grim day but we are not going to let this get us down. I would be willing to bet that tomorrow, McCshame/Palin are going to do something that will show the American people that they are not fit to run American. We have to have faith. There is so much that the American public are angry about how McCain/Palin has run their campaign with all the lies and mudslinging that they have spewed that many of their supporters are disgusted to the point that they will not vote for them. At the same time, we have the micro mental midgets that will vote for this toxic ticket, no matter what. But let’s hope that they are the minority. All I know is that I and my family are going to do everything we can do to get Obama/Biden in by campaiging, phone calling and giving Obama parties to come together with supporters to do all we can to get the best candidate in office which is Barack Obama. At the same time, we are going to try ro follow suit of the Alaskan Mudpuppies and the Alaskans citizens and try to bring about a rally against Sarah Palin and McCain to bring about justice. We cannot give up now Mudflatters and Mudpuppies. We just need to feel our sadness, then get mad and strike back. I truly believe in us! Yes We Can!

25 09 2008
NSWFM

I appreciate the comment about not being able to be sober…up until about 5 days ago, I was trying, but realized I was grinding my teeth before I fell asleep. So I opened a bottle of wine, which is about 2/3 full still. I’m trying humor now before I go to sleep.

I have 5 accounts at WaMu, plus my mortgage.

The AP had some funny stuff about Letterman and Paris Hilton http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hIbK5ZyWUeEJrqOEcChTTkzHi3JgD93E6M080 :

….”You’re here on a good night,” he told the audience. “So far none of our guests have canceled.”

He talked about daredevil David Blaine’s feat of hanging upside down in New York’s Central Park for 60 hours.

“They just left the guy hanging there,” he said. “It’s the same thing McCain did to me last night.”

He described socialite Paris Hilton — Thursday’s guest whose celebrity was once used in a McCain campaign ad to mock Obama — as McCain’s first choice for a running mate.

“Here’s how it works: you don’t come to see me? You don’t come to see me? Well, we might not see you on Inauguration Day,” Letterman said.

Noting that McCain wanted to postpone Friday’s first debate with Barack Obama, Letterman said running mate Sarah Palin wanted to put off her debate with Democrat Joe Biden until after Election Day. Letterman said McCain taking Palin to meet world leaders at the United Nations was like “take-your-daughter-to-work day.”

Letterman’s Top 10 list was “surprising facts about Sarah Palin,” read by citizens of Wasilla, Alaska, where she was once mayor.

No. 10: Palin “sometimes calls John McCain grandpa.”

Later in the show, Letterman couldn’t resist another mention of “that John McCain” while chatting with Hilton, who replied, “I heard he dissed you. He dissed me.”

Milking the moment, Letterman consoled her: “You had a little run-in with him, too, didn’t you?”

From the LA Times http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2008/09/the-letterman-m.html :

The Letterman-McCain feud continues: Day Two!

It doesn’t sound like David Letterman is over it.

The late-night comedian, who berated Sen. John McCain last night for suspending his campaign in order to focus on the ongoing financial crisis, went after the Republican presidential candidate again on tonight’s show.

Letterman said he understood when McCain canceled his scheduled appearance on “Late Show” last night, even when he discovered that the senator wasn’t racing to Washington, as he said, but was a few blocks away doing an interview with Katie Couric.

But then he found out that McCain didn’t leave for D.C. until this morning.

“I feel used,” Letterman said. “I feel cheap. I feel sullied.”

“I was thinking about this – John, John, here’s how it works: You don’t come to see me … you don’t come to see me?” he went on. “Well, we might not see you on Inauguration Day. That’s how it works. You see?”

Ouch!

Then he went after McCain’s running mate with tonight’s Top 10 list, “Top 10 Surprising Facts About Sarah Palin,” recited via satellite by residents of Wasilla, Alaska. (No. 2: “To improve her foreign policy experience, she recently went to the International House of Pancakes.”)

Excerpts from Letterman’s lacerating remarks, airing on tonight’s “Late Show:”

What a great American John McCain is. Unquestionably, as President Clinton said earlier this week, he gave almost everything but his life for this country. And a tremendous hero and a tremendous role model …a nd he was supposed to be on the show. So at the last minute he calls up and says, “Uh … I can’t make it.” And I said, “What is the problem?” And he said, “Well, the economy. The economy is about to crater.”

And I don’t know if you folks regularly get calls from United States senators, but I’m telling you, you feel like you’ve been deputized. And so he says, “I have to race back to Washington, D.C. … the nation’s capital.” I said, “I know that, Senator.” How dumb do I look? He says, “I have to race back because the economy is about to crater.” And, of course, I said, right away, “Whatever you need to do.” Am I gonna be the reason people are standing in bread lines? No. “Well, we’d have saved it, but I had to go on Letterman’s show … Everything would have been fine, but he wouldn’t let me out of the gig. That’s why it cratered. It’s Letterman’s fault. There he is. Get him!” So I don’t need that.

So I’m scared. I’m starting to tremble a little bit because he said, “I’ve got to race back to D.C.” And I thought, holy gosh. … OK, everything’s fine. Don’t worry about it. The senator is on his way back to D.C. So, not only did he not go back right away, he stopped by to see Katie Couric on his way out. And then, OK, we looked at it and we said, “OK, I understand that. That’s news and this is nonsense.” But then after Katie Couric, wham-o, right to the airport … no. No. No. We found out today that he didn’t really leave until this morning. (Boos from the audience.) Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. So what we learned today is that the economy held on long enough –- just barely held on long enough for him to get back there.

Whereas, you can see, 24 hours ago, I felt like a patriot. I felt like I was helping out. I felt like I was doing my part. Part of the cause. Fighting the fight. Not part of the problem, I was part of the solution. I was going to help in my own little way get this economy out of the crater. And now I’m just feeling like an ugly date. That’s what I feel like. I feel like an ugly date. I feel used. I feel cheap. I feel sullied. I feel cratered.

….(top ten list)….

1. Only person I know who’s not afraid to go hunting with Dick Cheney.

— Matea Gold

25 09 2008
strangelet (BORC BORC PALIN)

Enjay —

It’s hard to say what will happen to the dollar. Two things to remember about the $700B figure: (1) it was apparently just pulled out of the air at Treasury, as a good big number; (2) it’s not necessarily the case that it is all going to just be dumped down the drain.

As far as I understand it, the reason that all this derivative crap has frozen the credit markets is not that all the gazillions of dollars of derivative financial instruments are actually valueless, but that it is impossible to figure out what their values are. But as most of them are, at some level of abstraction, supported by residential home loans, and since it is known that an increasing percentage of those home loans are defaulting, the brainiacs who created the mess have now concluded that probably some of those derivative assets are not worth their face value. Some of them may be worth much less, but nobody can tell which ones.

As a result, nobody wants to play buy and sell with these assets, ’cause they don’t know what the other guy’s assets are worth (hell, they don’t know what their OWN assets are worth). BINGO. No credit. REAL businesses (as opposed to financial institutions, snark) run on credit. Credit seizes up for a while ==> businesses can’t keep running ==> global crash.

It’s worth bearing in mind that another thing nobody really knows is how long “a while” is in that last sentence. Bush apparently thinks it was yesterday, but the global economy doesn’t seem to have crashed yet. Businesses do have short term asset reserves. “A while” probably means “when everybody decides that there is no hope of credit unfreezing”.

The fundamental point of any “rescue” plan is to give the credit market players enough reason to start trading again. The Paulson(-ish) approach is straightforward — the govt will buy suspected toxic assets at a value lower than (but not much) the face value. The “rescued” company will now have a fairly clean asset base, and other financial companies will be will to purchase those assets. Etc, Etc, and pretty soon the credit market is swinging again.

Now, the potential hooker here is that the govt doesn’t know the “real” value of the assets it’s purchasing. Probably, a lot of them will actually turn out to be worth what they are supposed to be worth — they were only “toxic” because their value was indeterminable, and so the holder marked them down too much. Some of them will turn out to be worth much less than their face value, maybe zero. In Hank’s original proposal, he basically assumed that, long-term, almost all the assets would recover to face value, the govt would re-sell them, and — voila — no loss to taxpayers. One of the key added provisions of the Senate version was to give the government a contingent equity position in the companies it buys toxicity from. The simple idea is: the company will do better (i.e., its stock price will go up) because the crap is removed from its asset base. If, by chance, the purchased assets turn out to be mega-crap, the govt will recover its purchase price by participating in the company’s good fortune in its stock price. To me, this is a good idea — in fact, I was sending “EQUITY FOR PURCHASE” emails and phone calls to quite a few Congressors earlier this week.

So, about the dollar. If the contingent-equity provision is implemented correctly, the actual long-term net cost to the govt (taxpayers) of the rescue should be close to zero. Remember, 95% or so of the mortgages are okay, so MOST of the derivatives are not actually crap. If this proves true, the govt will not have to print more paper (to cover THIS — the Bush tax cuts, the Iraq occupation, etc. do still have to be paid for), and the effect of the rescue on the value of the dollar will be small. This should even work as long as the world can see that the plan is organized such that the government’s expense will be zero long-term, even if it isn’t zero short term.

If, by chance, a plan is enacted that does not properly hedge the govt against future surprises in the value of the toxic assets (the House Republican “alternative” springs to mind), then the possibility exists that the govt (us) could suffer a substantial loss on the toxic assets (or the insurance payments to cover them). In this case, the US would have to either borrow more (if possible) to cover the loss, or print more money. Either of these actions would tend to drive down the value of the dollar (otherwise known as inflation).

How much? Well, that’s the trick question, eh? I am absolutely unqualified to answer that, but I will anyway (hey, I could be VP). When Bush assumed the throne, the dollar was worth about 1.15 Euros. Now, it’s worth about .70 Euros, down about 40%. In that period, we have roughly doubled the national debt, to around $10T. So one way of looking at an additional $700B of debt is: 7%, so the dollar might drop 6% or so. That’d be an additional 6% inflation over the next couple of years, so you might expect the inflation rate to go up to, maybe, 7-8% per year.

Of course, one of the funny (not ha-ha) things about inflation is that it is very non-linear. There are all kinds of feedback loops in the money flow; hence “runaway inflation”. Basically, this is why the Federal Reserve Board is always so twitchy about inflation. It’s pretty well established from many histories that 0 to 4% remains stable, and anything over about 10% usually ascends to hyperinflation (eg, 40% per month). The bits in between can go either way.

I personally threw away my WIN (Whip Inflation Now) buttons some time ago, and I’d prefer not to have to get new ones.

Sorry this was such a long answer to such a short question.

G’nite.

25 09 2008
NSWFM

Opps, sorry, I messed up on the bold–it was supposed to be “take our daughters to work” that was bold. I did that a few times as a volunteer in NYC when I worked there and thought that it was good for girls to see professionals working. Evidently, SP didn’t pick up anything when she was a journalist. It’s time for me to go to bed.

25 09 2008
NSWFM

Oooh, I can’t even spell oops right at this point! G’night!

26 09 2008
Scrimshaw aka Sack Panther Palin

@ Palmdale, CA (23:23:45) :
Now, isn’t that special. Somebody please tell me my suspicions of disaster capitalism and shock therapy aren’t real… Please????

Hmmm, looked that up, and here is Naomi Klein, at the Nation.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080721/lookout

Why look, Chicago and Northwestern are well represented in that 200.
Maybe this is the commission jm suggested, to ‘study the problem.’

Sweet dreams.

26 09 2008
scottish-mud-fan

strangelet (BORC BORC PALIN) (23:43:30) :

Wow stranglet. That is the clearest explanation of the bailout thing I have read. Who needs the MSM?

Many thanks!

26 09 2008
Marianne

With posts like yours. I wonder why you get featured so much. Even Palin is more qualified than Obama….at least she shows up for work….and does not have the venom his party does.

26 09 2008
petak

We’ll see tomorrow..

26 09 2008
BigSlick

Marianne,

May your White Horse come for you soon.

26 09 2008
SwinePrincess aka Stag Tonnage Palin

I am sure in 309 comments, this has been said already, but I’m gonna say it anyway…. does this mean she won’t be revealing her financial details at all….

26 09 2008
DaddyFiveOh

Love your blog. Here in Our Nation’s Capital there’s very little coverage of what’s been happening in Alaskan state politics–even after Divine Sarah’s nomination. Not that it’s any weirder than our local DC politics, but none of our local crazies have been nominated for VP (or is it president?).

Question for you: Is it possible that she’s really as dumb as she appears in the interviews? I mean, she thinks she knows about international affairs because planes fly over Alaska on the way to Russia?!! At first, I thought it was just rookie jitters, but now…

She does seem to be pretty good at covering stuff up. I guess that at least qualifies as low animal cunning.

26 09 2008
Palin Delays Financial Disclosure Until After Debate. « Nuclear and Indigenous Items of Interest

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26 09 2008
deannaizme

I want to see her medical records, too, along with McCain’s, Obama’s, and Biden’s. We have to know.

26 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Marianne (02:06:33) :

With posts like yours. I wonder why you get featured so much. Even Palin is more qualified than Obama….at least she shows up for work….and does not have the venom his party does.
——————————————

Marianne,

Back at “HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (22:40:08)” I gave EVERYONE on this thread a NEW WORLDWIDE AWARD. That now includes you!

But you DID miss the previous night when I gave out the prestigious “Maximum Overdrive Dixie Boy Truck Stop Award For Feminine Outrage” (MO Award) to KittenStCyr and NMR.

But this was your award for EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD WORLDWIDE.

It is the coveted “THEY LIVE Magic Glasses For Direct To VHS Truth Award” and YOU WON A PAIR TOO!

SO PUT YOUR GLASSES ON BABE AND START TO SEE! You can pretend that your’s are Sarah Palin designer ones! BUT PUT THEM ON NOW!

26 09 2008
Polished Mooseberry Palin

G Stone and lower48nik – as to personal benefit, here’s a story you might enjoy:

“JUNEAU, Alaska (Sept. 26) – Gov. Sarah Palin swept into office as an avowed outsider, a claim that helped her land the GOP vice presidential nomination.
The woman touted by Republican nominee John McCain as a reformer said late Thursday that she will donate to charity more than $1,000 in campaign contributions from two Alaska politicians implicated in a sprawling federal corruption probe. Palin is also giving back $1,000 from the wife of one of the men.

The move came a few hours after The Associated Press reported that Palin had accepted the money during her successful 2006 run for governor. Two months later, Palin was elected easily after she promised to rid Alaska’s capital of dirty politics.

“Governor Palin has made a career of holding herself to the highest standards of ethics. As soon as the governor learned of the donations today, she immediately decided to donate them to charity,” campaign spokesman Taylor Griffin said.

The money could be returned as early as Friday, Griffin said.

In the early 1990s, McCain returned $112,000 from Charles Keating, a central figure in the savings-and-loan crisis, after a Senate ethics inquiry.

The two politicians in this case were snagged in a federal investigation revolving around an oil field services company once known as VECO Corp. Executives from the company are at the center of the trial of Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, that began this week in Washington.

In the Stevens case, prosecutors say he lied on his financial disclosure forms about more than $250,000 in home renovations and other gifts he received from VECO. In Alaska, the government has leveled more serious charges: That the company and its bosses tried to corrupt lawmakers by plying them with money or gifts in exchange for their votes.

On Aug. 31, 2006, FBI agents searched the offices of six state lawmakers, including Cowdery and Weyhrauch.

The government had secretly taped Cowdery in a conversation that prosecutors say proved he conspired with VECO officials to bribe legislators to support changes in Alaska’s oil tax structure. Weyhrauch allegedly promised to support VECO’s position in exchange for consideration for future work as a lawyer.

VECO quickly came to symbolize outsized corruption in Alaska and Palin was able to capitalize: As the GOP nominee for governor, she campaigned as an outsider and made a public point of saying she didn’t want money from the company or its employees.

By October 2006, Palin’s campaign had received $30 from Weyhrauch in addition to Cowdery’s $1,000. Separately, Cowdery’s wife, Juanita, contributed $1,000; she is not accused of any wrongdoing, but Palin is giving that money back, too.

The fact that Palin had kept Cowdery’s donation was notable, given that on July 10, the day after he was indicted, the governor issued a statement asking him to “step down, for the good of the state.”

Justin Pritchard reported from Anchorage, Alaska. Associated Press writer Sharon Theimer in Washington contributed to this report.”

26 09 2008
Polished Mooseberry Palin

Marianne – as is shown by her record, sarah palin has enough venom to go around for all of us, you included. as for her “showing up,” please explain what she was doing while an administrator was doing her job as mayor of Wasilla. remember, sarah palin was getting a nice pay check to do what all mayors prior to her had done; but why did she need an administrator to do the work for which she was getting that very nice paycheck? did she have a no-show job??

26 09 2008
Karen

Did everyone see kathleen parker’s column asking Palin to withdraw? McCain’s next big “game changer” = a new VP next week!

26 09 2008
aliblogga

McCain is insane in the membrane! http://frenchtv1.com/nm_/in.html

26 09 2008
nearlynormalized

The joke was on us, now it seems that no matter what you ask this woman she is confused. McCain & Palin=dementia & demented. Please if their is an ALMIGHTY listening, protect and save us. Vote and vote well.

26 09 2008
Michele

I have to say I’m surprised. I never thought she was qualified, but assumed she had picked up some intellect and political savvy over the years. My God, this is truly frightening. She is clearly not well-informed and not even smart enough to hide it well. My son pointed out that she has a distressing ability to look people straight in the eye and lie and obfuscate–the hallmark trait of a sociopath (which a number of politicians–and bankers–are). He said when he went to bed after last night’s airing of the Couric interview he had his first ever panic attack related to the potential election of a candidate.

Here’s my question to Alaskans: Do you think she’s sunk her political career in Alaska by her activities and performance since she was nominated? I have to believe that the good people of Alaska, like most of the rest of us, thought there was some “there there” with Palin prior to this recent outing of her deceitfulness and inadequacy. How will all of this impact her political future in Alaska?

26 09 2008
SMR

@Hamlets Mill — as usual, you are the best!

@Michele — In my opinion, as an Alaskan of 35 years, sarah’s political career here is over. She has finally shown her true colors, has shown everyone here that she is NOT at all about the truth & transparency & getting rid of the good ol boys & every other b.s. line that she trotted out to get elected.

Mind you, there will still be those here in AK who support her, some of those are people who blindly vote Repub no matter who the candidate is, some of them are people who are voting with their evangelical glasses on. However, there is virtually no chance that registered democrats will vote for her, she has royalled pi$$ed off lots of repubs in the state, so they won’t vote for her, and with the Troopergate and many other issues coming to light and getting so much press here & throughout the world, there is definately a grass-roots rebellion against her going on in this state.

She was on tenuous footing before the selection as VP — troopergate was (and is) a very big deal here. The pipeline issue has also been very contentious. Throw in the mess with the mccain thugs taking over here, and sarah’s press girl slinging venom at well-regarded locals, and you have box-office poison. I honestly don’t know how we’re supposed to get state business done with all of this mess, but my first priority is to get Obama/Biden elected instead of the McFailin ticket, THEN this Alaskan is going to do everything she can to get rid of sarah (recall anyone?) and Talis Colberg (corrupt atty general appointed by sarah). And if we can get some laws passed in Juneau that prevent our state from going through this b.s. again (NO APPOINTED ATTORNEY GENERALS!), that will be at least ONE (or more) good thing to come out of this!

26 09 2008
SMR

@Karen — Thanks for the heads up on a great (and encouraging) article! Wow! Even some of the conservatives out there are getting what we have been saying since Day 1!!!!!

Here’s the link, just add the http:

://washingtonindependent.com/8136/conservative-columnist-calls-for-palin-to-withdraw-from-race

26 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

I think I know how the thugs will get SWWNBN out of the debate. They’ll dump her and pick up LIEberman. He can certainly hold his own in a debate, not that he’ll pick up any Democrats, by God. He’s a good old fashioned traitor, from my home state. Thank goodness we also have Dodd.

That’s my prediction, and I’m sticking to it. Besides, I also think McBrainless is sick… very sick… and even HE can’t possibly think that SWWNBN is any good for the country. If he were any sort of patriot, he’d dump her, throw her overboard, toss her out the back, whatever… just don’t leave us with her.

26 09 2008
MJC

Hey Guys We have a new Mudflats Home! Check out the new thread. See ya’ll there!

26 09 2008
akmuckraker

The new Mudflats blog is up and running!

http://www.themudflats.net/

See you there!

26 09 2008
egghead23

Your blog is awesome. Love all this stuff you are writing about Palin. Your perspective really speaks to me. Keep it coming!

26 09 2008
asenath1az

Financial news that’s not about the anti Sarah Palin crusade:
WASHINGTON — A $630 billion spending bill nearing final approval in Congress includes $6.6 billion for thousands of lawmakers’ pet projects, including $51.5 million requested by Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden when both presidential candidates have sworn off seeking any money.
Taxpayers for Common Sense analyzed the 2,321 special-interest items called “earmarks” in the spending bill. The legislation is a temporary measure that would fund the government through March, rather than October 2009, when the next fiscal year ends. It combines spending bills for the Departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs, as well as nearly $30 billion in disaster relief for flood and hurricane victims and up to $25 billion in loans to automakers.
The House of Representatives approved the measure 370-58 on Wednesday, and the Senate is likely to follow before members leave Washington to head home for the November elections.
Both presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, have criticized earmarks. McCain, who doesn’t request earmarks, has said that as president, he would veto any bill containing them. Since joining the Senate in 2005, Obama has requested $860.6 million in earmarks, according to the taxpayer group, but none this year, and he has pledged to reduce them if elected president.
Earmarks represent about 1% of the more than $3 trillion federal budget. They have been at the center of recent criminal investigations, including the conviction of former Republican representative Randy “Duke” Cunningham in 2006 for accepting bribes for earmarks in a defense bill.
Earmarks are mostly used by members of Congress to secure funds for local governments, non-profits and other groups in their home states.
Biden, a senator from Delaware, requested 18 earmarks, according to the bill’s language. All of them also were requested by Delaware’s other senator, Democrat Tom Carper or its lone congressman, Republican Rep. Mike Castle, or both.
Among other items, Biden and four others were able to secure $3.2 million for second-generation cold-weather clothing for the military, the bill shows.
Biden spokesman David Wade did not respond to messages seeking comment Thursday.
The amount of earmarked spending in the package is about 11% less than in last year’s spending bills, says Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, which tracks and criticizes earmarked spending. Last year’s bills included 2,438 earmarks worth $7.7 billion. President Bush had vowed to veto any 2009 spending bill that didn’t cut earmarks by half or more.
The lawmaker with the highest amount in earmarks in the bill is Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, who seeks $238.5 million, according to the Taxpayers for Common Sense analysis. In the House, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., has the highest amount with $111.1 million in earmarks by himself or with others, the analysis shows.
Stevens’ trial opened Thursday on criminal charges he failed to report gifts from an oil services contractor on his yearly financial disclosures. Stevens, the longest-serving Republican in the Senate, has pleaded not guilty. He is a former chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, which handles spending bills, and stepped down as the ranking Republican on its defense subcommittee after his indictment in July. Murtha is chairman of the defense subcommittee.
“It’s startling what a long shadow Sen. Stevens continues to cast,” Ellis said. “He’s not chairman or ranking member of the committee anymore, yet he still has powerful friends and allies who seem to be willing to deliver more earmarks to him than to themselves or anyone else.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-09-25-earmarks_N.htm?csp=34

Earmarks..ACORN..and Obama
…The one page agreement from the U.S. Senate Banking Committee details guidelines to be put in place relative to taxpayer protection, oversight and transparency, home ownership preservation and Funding Authority.
While on the surface the agreement looks generic and positive, However, the “devil is in the detail.” There is one detail that Democrats are concerned that Republicans will not agree to in the bailout agreement. That is if the Republicans even see the item. It seems that this issue may be one reason that many Democrats have hounded Sen. John McCain and pushed for his speedy approval. Senate Majority Harry Reid (D-NV) has already identified that it is Sen. John McCain’s approval, not Barack Obama approval, that is needed to secure the agreement of Senate Republicans. In fact, the questioned provision indirectly focus on some prior concern regarding Sen. Barack Obama involvement with various organizations. Maybe that is why Obama would prefer being at a debate in Mississippi than being in Washington D.C.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) cohorts are also hounding Sen. McCain to agree. They know that neither the House Republicans nor the House Blue Dog Democrats are going to sign on easily to an agreement extending $700 billion “bailout” if Sen. McCain disagrees. Pelosi does not have control of the fiscally conservative Blue Dogs who are not happy with committing $700 billion to the “bailout” effort.
In the “agreement in principle,” there is the effect of a major “earmark” which commits money from future “profits” to be given to nonprofits organizations like ACORN, National Council of La Raza and potentially the National Urban League. This agreement clearly evidences that the Government expects to benefit in the future from the bailout when the values of property rises and mortgages or properties are then sold by the Federal government. The agreement –
“Directs a certain percentage of future profits to the Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund to meet America’s housing needs.”
In the proposed bailout agreement, Sen. Christopher Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee and other Democrats desire to pre-direct that future funds (profits) not be returned to the taxpayers via the treasury but that they be used to underwrite potential questionable (maybe even illegal activities) of certain nonprofits which have had a hand in promoting and expanding access to “no money down” loans for minorities, illegal voter registrations and extensive lobbying activities.
Let’s examine the connection of the Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund with the various nonprofit groups mentioned above. In July, 2008, a Wall Street Journal article addressed the previous housing bill signed into law:
Provide[d] a stream of billions of dollars for distressed homeowners and communities and the nonprofit groups that serve them. One of the biggest likely beneficiaries, despite Republican objections is Acorn, a housing advocacy group that also helps lead ambitious voter-registration efforts benefiting Democrats. Acorn — made up of several legally distinct groups under that name — has become an important player in the Democrats’ effort to win the White House. Its voter mobilization arm is co-managing a $15.9 million campaign with the group Project Vote to register 1.2 million low-income Hispanics and African-Americans, who are among those most likely to vote Democratic. Technically nonpartisan, the effort is one of the largest such voter-registration drives on record.
The organization’s main advocacy group lobbied hard for passage of the housing bill, which provides nearly $5 billion for affordable housing, financial counseling and mortgage restructuring for people and neighborhoods affected by the housing meltdown. A third Acorn arm, its housing corporation, does a large share of that work on the ground. Acorn’s multiple roles show how two fronts of activism — housing for the poor and voter mobilization — have converged closely in this election year. The fortunes of both parties will hinge in part on their plans for addressing the fall of the nation’s housing market and the painful economic slowdown. . . .
Partly because of the role of Acorn and other housing advocacy groups, the White House and its allies in Congress resisted Democrats’ plans to include money for a new affordable-housing trust fund and $4 billion in grants to restore housing in devastated neighborhoods. In the end, the money stayed in the bill; the White House saw little choice. What most riles Republicans about the bill is the symbiotic relationship between the Democratic Party and the housing advocacy groups, of which Acorn is among the biggest. Groups such as the National Council of La Raza and the National Urban League also lobby to secure government-funded services for their members and seek to move them to the voting booth. Acorn has been singled out for criticism because of its reach, its endorsements of Democrats, and past flaws in its bookkeeping and voter-registration efforts that its detractors in Congress have seized upon. . . .
Sen. Obama is especially reliant on registration drives, such as Acorn’s with Project Vote, to help him win the White House. The Illinois Democrat draws his strongest support from blacks, Hispanics and young people, groups that are among the least likely to be registered. After law school, Sen. Obama was the director of Project Vote in Chicago. . . .
Democrats on Capitol Hill have helped to steer millions of dollars in housing and other grants from the federal government toward Acorn and groups like it. The groups must qualify and compete for the money, which is typically doled out from the federal government to states and municipalities. The housing package includes a new, permanent source of affordable-housing money that congressional Democrats and grassroots groups have sought for years. The Affordable Housing Trust Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund will be funded by a tax on mortgages backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage titans.
That tax eventually will channel upwards of $600 million annually in grants for developing and restoring housing, mostly as low-income rentals, available to Acorn and other groups. Democrats on Capitol Hill and housing groups say the housing-assistance money is vital to helping Americans hit hardest by what some call the largest drop in home values since the Great Depression. But they acknowledge the perception of political conflict in giving federal funds to an organization that does political work. “We are guarding against it,” said Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank in an interview. He secured the Affordable Housing Trust from his seat as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. . . .
Acorn describes itself as the nation’s largest grassroots community organization, with more than 400,000 families organized into 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities. Over four decades, Acorn has turned its broad membership into a powerful lobbying tool. Its representatives are well-known in the marble halls of the Capitol, and press local, state and federal governments . . .
ACORN is the agency where Sen. Barack Obama worked as a trainer for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform (ACORN), whose affiliate, Project Vote, is known for voter fraud. It is this same organization from which a large part of the mortgage mess has grown. After Harvard Law School, Obama provided legal representation for ACORN. Obama sat on the boards of the philanthropic Woods Foundation and the Joyce Foundation which both funneled millions of dollars to ACORN.
In 2006, the Wall Street Journal addressed Acorn Indictments. In a recent article, additional complaints, indictments and arrests and conviction of ACORN members for voter fraud have been detailed for Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Washington State, and Wisconsin. Democrats on Capitol Hill have steered billions of the taxpayer monies to risky ventures and to nonprofits organizations like ACORN, National Council of La Raza through the government’s Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund. As a result groups like ACORN have developed powerful lobby groups to secure tax money for their organizations. Now the proposed “agreement in principle” for the $700 Billion “bailout” seeks to continue the protection of this process. In another article by James H. Walsh, a former federal prosecutor, it was noted that:
ACORN Housing Corporation (AHC) was instrumental in its passage of the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) which has plagued the mortgage markets since 1977. The U.S. Congress through the CRA compelled banks and lending institutions to make loans to “communities of color” disregarding sound economic and risk guidelines. CRA encouraged the relaxing of “outdated” risk-management protocols and underwriting obligations by lending institutions. In the name of ending discrimination, no longer were “communities of color” required to provide verification of income, employment, credit history, ability to pay homeowner bills, or down payment. In response, many banks and mortgage groups bundled trillions of dollars of “subprime” loans and sold them to investors here and abroad. It is these bundled Community Reinvestment Act mortgages, doomed to fail, that are today causing financial strain in U.S. and global financial markets.
In short, a Democrat Congress and President demanded that banks change the rules of good banking and open the Pandora’s Box of mortgage defaults and foreclosures now coming to a head. This home-parity concept of the radical left was mobilized by ACORN resulting in a purchase of a property without any credit, income, employment, and a zero down payment.
In 2003, Fannie Mae home-parity funding in Chicago reached $600 billion. When Franklin Raines, former chair and CEO of Fannie Mae, stepped down in 2004 but managed to take with him a multimillion-dollar parachute and a monthly pension of $114, 393 for life, and should he die, for his wife’s lifetime. Until recently, Raines was an advisor to Obama.
Open Secrets reveals the investment made by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in Democrats and details the Top 25 Democrat Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac contributions in 1989-2008. The top three in order were Senators Christopher Dodd, John Kerry and Barack Obama.
When government tries to fix social issues through the use of the taxpayers’ money, there are consequences. Now the American taxpayers are being called upon again to underwrite the problems exacerbated by the prior actions of former and the current Congress and past administrations. It is hoped that Senators and Representatives will avoid this massive “earmark.” All “future profits” from the resolution and disposition of the alleged current bad mortgages (”bad paper”), should accrue to the American taxpayers as a whole and be returned to the Treasury. Any determination as to the use of “future profits” should be determined by those elected and representing the people at that future point in time. No agreements should include an obligation on the potential “future profits.”

have a nice day Alaska….

26 09 2008
averageuscitizen

My money is on Sarah removing herself as the VEEP candidate within 2 weeks for personal reasons. Most likely it will be something to do with her her baby. Sort of the political version of a human shield with an awwwww.

It’s fairly obvious that this was a political stunt on McCain’s part considering how he disdains government regulation and interference in the markets. Doing a 180 and telling us that “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” is now his philosophy just does not stick. And now…that nothing has been resolved…he CAN attend the debate?

Oy…I’m getting dizzy just trying to keep up with his spinning from one extreme to the other. Just where does he stand on ANYTHING? Oh…the surge. I know where he stands on that.

26 09 2008
Jimbo Terrier

Palin cant withdraw. That would look like a big mistake on McCains part. She is in for the whole ride now.

26 09 2008
akmuckraker

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