McCain Has Fled the Interview!

24 09 2008

Hmmm. What’s a candidate to do when poll numbers are dropping, and the thing on everyone’s mind is a subject (the economy) you’ve recently admitted you don’t know much about, and you’re about to be asked questions about it in front of an audience of tens of millions of potential voters? Tricky situation.

If you answered “flee the scene”, you’re thinking like John McCain. He has now announced that because of the country’s economic meltdown, he will suspend his campaign, to fly to Washington to work on banking legislation. He wants the first of three presidential debates with Barack Obama, scheduled for this Friday, to be postponed. The decision was spun perfectly by Republican Senator Orrin Hatch:

“This is the John McCain I know,” Hatch said in an interview on MSNBC’s “Hardball.” “He is willing to risk election to do what’s right for the country.”

So,

  1. McCain really is his “old self”
  2. He’s acting like he knows about the economy, and
  3. He’s putting “country first.”

That’s the story. Not bad. A three-fer.

What say you, Senator Obama?

“In my mind, it’s more important than ever that we present ourselves to the American people and describe where we want to take the country and where we want to take the economy.”

“But what about dealing with the economy now? How can you POSsibly think about the economy and the debate at the same time? Isn’t that irresponsible? Why, why do you hate your country Senator Obama???” the McCain campaign would like you to ask.

“It’s going to be part of the president’s job to be able to deal with more than one thing at once,” Obama reminds us.

Game. Set. Match.

Even though Obama has demonstrated incontrovertibly that he is a Democrat with a spine, and came out with the only appropriate reaction to this unprecedented request from McCain, Democrats should not let their guard down. Something still seems fishy. Will McCain somehow, magically, get credited with brokering a compromise that will solve the economic woes of the nation? Will he be painted as the guy in the red cape who rescued us from the big bad bankers who’ve been playing fast and loose with the hard-earned money of the American people? Is this going to be the October surprise? Or will Palin’s friend Pastor Muthee lay hands on the economy, pray for a miracle, and expel the witches that may be responsible for this whole mess?

Obama has called their bluff. What’s the next move in the chess match? We’ll see before Friday.


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24 09 2008
anomynous

McCain is all we need. Nothing else, rumor!

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

What the heck? I took today off to go to the physical therapist (should be seeing a pyschotherapist for my MUDFLATS ADDICTION!), just got home, and look at what has happened! Just read the last thread…BREATHE…and glad you were all covering my back while I was gone!

24 09 2008
Sue

McCain wants to get out of any debate with Obama because he knows Obama will look great while he just looks stupid, greedy, and old. When Obama offered to issue a joint statement about the economy, McCain jumped on it as a way to avoid having the debate. He is a sneaky coward. As for dumping Palin, I don’t think it will ever happen; she IS a pitbull, and there is no way she would go quietly. She has way too much power over McCain for him to be able to dump her.

24 09 2008
Redwood Man - Santa Cruz, CA

Okay, the Friday debate is scheduled for 9 PM EDT. Not withstanding the “practice debate” earlier that day, I think McCain could leave D.C. late in the afternoon on Friday and easily be in Mississippi in time for the 9 PM EDT starting time. Sheesh, he has his own plane. How late was McCain planning to work on Friday? He could be back in D.C. late Friday or early Saturday to continue his “work” on the economy. Many people think JM is better at debates and BO is better at “off the cuff” speaking. I just don’t get it. Sounds like JM has some reason for not going, besides the economy.

24 09 2008
Barb from Illinois

McCain should just send Caribou Barbie to the debate. She’s ready, right?

24 09 2008
Bo

McCain is a frantic coward looking for a way to avoid Friday’s debate but he has gotten out-flanked by someone who understands tactics and vision much better than he does.

Apparently, there is a connection to Failin’ Palin here, too. CNN reports:

McCain surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there’s no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.

In this scenario, the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin would be rescheduled for a date yet to be determined, and take place in Oxford, Mississippi, currently slated to be the site of the first presidential faceoff this Friday.

24 09 2008
trig

Simply a Mass Distraction bomb by McCain since the National Enquirer story broke today:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/national_enquirer_world_exclusive_sarah_palins_secret_lover_revealed/celebrity/65481

24 09 2008
Gina

I think I agree with Obama. The country needs to hear from the candidates. I am afraid that McCain will come out of this claiming to be “the fixer” (as you hypothesized, AK). This administration is full of “fixers”, if you get my drift. I’m just surprised that people are still buying it. What about the staged photo ops of SP with the heads of state? Where were the questions from the press? And yet, the charade seems to work for a lot of people. “See, she can talk to foreigners.” “See, McCain puts country first.”
Gee whiz.

24 09 2008
raingods

McCain didn’t want to miss the seniorfish fry buffet at the local buffet, that’s why he wants to move the debate.

24 09 2008
lindaks

McCain is now suggesting the first presidential debate be postponed and could be held next Thursday, Oct. 2nd, in the time previously reserved for the VP debate.

Guess that solves two McCain / Palin problems! Neither candidate has to prove how lacking they are as quickly. Is this called “saving face?”

Oh, and hi everyone from a lurker in Kansas. Sure enjoy all of your opinions and the great info here at mudflats. Linda

Hi, Linda! *waves* AKM

24 09 2008
Sue

I hope that people can see that McCain is either 1)putting his personal needs above those of the country OR 2)he is incapable of handling more than one thing at a time. Either way, he is not Presidential material.

24 09 2008
A Nana from Alaska

McDesperate is showing his true colors. First he makes a reckless choice for V.P. Then he flip-flops on every issue he’s ever stood for. Then he weasels out on his

Trust the Republicans and their economic crisis that has so conveniently occurred for them this week as Congress is about to adjourn? Suggesting a trillion dollar blank check to the executive branch with no specifics and no oversight?!!!!

Sounds like they can see the writing on the wall. A Democratic Congress and a Democratic President. Only a trillion dollar (or more in the future) blank check to the executive branch as a last minute ditch effort will keep them in control of everything they have already botched.

Trust Bush? Trust McCain? Palin the reformer? No how. No way.

24 09 2008
arkangel3

How about this one: Johnny Boy pulled this back stabbing bit to take the heat off his campaign manager, who it looks like was on Freddie Mac’s payroll until last month as a lobbyist.

McCain is a sniveling coward who the great General Patton would have slapped across the face for this BS. I have even more choice words for Mac (remember, I have Brooklyn Blood in me…), but this post would be deleted so fast it wouldn’t be funny. 😀

24 09 2008
Sue

re: NE and “the affair” Compared to all the other negative things SP has done, an affair almost seems benign. I suggest we all just ignore it and concentrate on the issues. OBAMA ’08!!!

24 09 2008
PinkMoore

For one, McCain nor Obama are involved with any of the committees dealing with the bailout, nor are they President. What possible thing does McCain think he can accomplish. Do people think he’s just going to ride in on his white horse and save the day? Yeah right! Why do I know this? Because my husband is a reporter on Capitol Hill.

He is definitely trying to put his campaign for other reasons and not because of this economy.

24 09 2008
A Nana from Alaska

Sorry, lost part in the translation.

McDesperate is showing his true colors. First he makes a reckless choice for V.P. Then he flip-flops on every issue he’s ever stood for. Then he weasels out on his own debate and does so in a manner that allows Palin to weasel out on hers also–after he was the one who called for more debates!!

Trust the Republicans and their economic crisis that has so conveniently occurred for them this week as Congress is about to adjourn? Suggesting a trillion dollar blank check to the executive branch with no specifics and no oversight?!!!!

Sounds like McDesperate can see the writing on the wall. A Democratic Congress and a Democratic President. Only a trillion dollar (or more in the future) blank check to the executive branch as a last minute ditch effort will keep them in control of everything they have already botched.

Trust Bush? Trust McCain? Palin the reformer? No how. No way.

24 09 2008
AZtopcat

trig- I do believe this is a smokescreen for something. Either he wants to take credit for brokering the bailout or he’s going fishing for a new VP. The pundits say the repugs can’t nuster up enough support for bailout. We shall see. Don’t see why they can’t do both.

24 09 2008
taylor Siluwe

Yes, McCain is a wiley badger. And he’s losing, too, therefore he’s more dangerous than ever. Obama knows to tread lightly with the ol’ dude. But I think most people see this move by the McCain camp as the ploy it is. You ever notice every time the McCain campaign makes a move, they leave a vague fart smell behind?

24 09 2008
Ann Marie

The *real* reason now coming to light. From CNN:

(CNN) — McCain supporter Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there’s no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.

In this scenario, the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin would be rescheduled for a date yet to be determined, and take place in Oxford, Mississippi, currently slated to be the site of the first presidential faceoff this Friday.

She’s not READY. They are trying to buy time.

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Just when you think there’s a story that doesn’t include Sarah Palin….(smacks self on head) AKM

24 09 2008
Cronopio

I’ve been a university instructor for years. At least one student’s grandma always “dies” just before the midterm.

Same smell of panic here…:)

24 09 2008
G. Stone

My money is on Muthee – or whomever Palin’s witch doctor is – anyway, if the economy goes south it’s a sure sign of the final days and we can all hea dnorth to the refuge state😉

And did you catch Letterman’s reaction? An appearance there is one of the thing’s McCain cancelled.

“What are you going to do if you’re elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We’ve got a guy like that now!”

Frankly, the Amercan people are seeing through this farce faster than the press. But hey – about that rally – keep the home fires burning! I love it.

Note to Palin – you go girl – right back to Alaska!

24 09 2008
Sharon/California

“What’s the next move in the chess match?”

Go here for answer: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/

Headline: McCain: Let’s postpone VP debate too. Anyone surprised?

24 09 2008
lower48nik

Rep. Barney Frank did not mince any words when asked about McCain’s late “come to Jesus” moment to help out on the bailout (which apparently is pretty gridlocked on the GOP side of the aisle — nobody seems to want to sign on for some reason…). He said something along the lines of “we’ve been here for the last 5 days working on this” (in other words, why all of a sudden does he “want to help”?) and Frank called it the biggest hail mary pass in the history of football or marys.

Seems that the whole thing started today when OBAMA — not McCain — called the GOP candidate to suggest a joint press release regarding the bailout situation. McCain must have felt/ realized he’d been outmaneuvered and while Obama waited for the suggested wording of the joint release before deciding what to do about the debates, McCain went live with his unilateral debate canceling plan (in what even Fox News seems to recognize was a political ploy).

Obama IMHO managed to regain the upper ground with his “People need to hear from us” message on why he would be ready to debate, along with his “come now, a President must be able to walk and chew gum” subtext.

However, what should not be lost in the play by play is the fact that Obama started the ball rolling toward a bipartisan, statesmanlike statement — and was stabbed in the back for his efforts by McCain. How does that accrue to the benefit of McCain’s image or convince the public that the current situation calls us to rise above politics?

Er, well….. it doesn’t.

24 09 2008
maryjblog

McCain’s a sissy man – if he is too old to focus on 2 things at once, he should take his uni-tasking butt back to the floor of the Senate and stay there.

24 09 2008
BullwinkleCringing

McPoser strikes again…….Run and hide you pussy!

I’m a Vet of the war he still thinks could have been won (from a POW cell?)
I guess he never read the pentagon papers that revealed they knew there was no way to “win” back in ’65 …. just like this Iraq crap fest…..
I’ve lost all respect for this guy…

24 09 2008
indieJ

I’m telling you, this will get spun in his favor. McCain is going to make this his last stand. Repugs and Fox News will tell everyone the bit about “the maverick willing to risk his entire campaign to save the country”. The common man doesnt even realize that anything he could do in Washington he could do over the phone to get the Repugs in line to support the bailout. Many average voters will buy into this scam and you will see the polls show it next week. I am cynical when it involves the Amercian public…..they almost never take the perspective that makes more sense and is based on solid reason and logic. They normally take the guy and the decision that is a knee-jerk one and gives the false appearance of being “strong”. This whole thing gives me a very, very uneasy feeling. I wish I could fast forward two weeks to see how this will be playing out then.

As Rachel Maddow would say..”Somebody talk me down”.

24 09 2008
Lnonblonde

McCain is getting old.
He used to be able to do two things at once.
Back in the day he had no problem being married and having a fiance at the same time.
His hiding from the debate is reminiscent of Bush reading ” My Pet Goat to a classroom of children then hoping around on Air Force Once after 9-11.
It is also interesting that Bush was able to remember McCain’s birthday with a cake on the same day as Katrina.
Dare I say that Bush can multi-task better than McCain.
Speaking of Multi-tasking…why doesn’t McNut job prep for the debate and send his favorite Super Hero PoutyLipped Palin in to ” set Washington straight” while she breast feeds, runs Alaska and burns books in our libraries?
I think Palin needs to teach her running mate a thing or two.
:: Blonde tongue in cheek:::

24 09 2008
Gina

I think Obama should go ahead with the debate, and he should put Warren Buffett at McCain’s podium, with the promise that Buffett will be the Secretary of the Treasury in his administration. I don’t care what people think about abortion or moose hunting, they ALL know that Warren Buffet understands finance and the economy!

24 09 2008
Snoskred

I posted a post on the Mudflats forums with a bunch of links to posts which probably should be read –

http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,964.msg5723.html#msg5723

I think it is entirely possible that McCain is seriously ill. In fact I personally think looking at him the last couple of days, he may have had a minor stroke. One side of his face now seems to be slightly lopsided, his eyes don’t seem to be tracking quite right either.

AmericaBlog has had a few interesting posts re the skin cancers lately, several of these being doctors emailing in.. see the post on the forums for links to these posts.

I think this may be the real reason for what he is doing.. health problems.😦

I noted that the McCain campaign had actually not scheduled any events for the latter half of this week because I take those events and post them in the forums daily and there were none appearing on the calendar. This also backs up the idea that there is something much more serious going on with the McCain campaign than appears on the surface..

24 09 2008
rachelbirds

Try picturing a
debate of one — kind of like
hearing one hand clap.

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/september-24-2008-4/

24 09 2008
NY Dem

Oops, moved this from the last thread – didn’t see this new thread on the debate cancellation. This is more appropriate here.

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Apologies if this has already been discussed – I skipped ahead to the end to post this.

Was just watching the evening news shows, flipping channels, and caught this on the scroll on Fox news:

McCain wants to re-schedule the 1st. Presidential Debate for…………..drum roll please…………………………..October 2 !

That’s right – his plan now is to replace the VP Debate with the postponed Friday debate.

So what happens to the VP Debate, you ask ??

My opinion, the Repubs will say that if the Oct. 2 VP Debate is postponed, with only 33 days left until the election (after 10/2), there will be no time left before the election to re-schedule it.

Bada-bing, bada-boom – we all knew SP was going to get out of sitting down and debating Joe Biden one way or another because the Repubs KNEW she would get her ass kicked.

Well, now they might have their way.

This ‘bailout’ thing came along just in time, if it wasn’t this, it would have been some other lie, like trouble with her daughter’s pregnancy, or whatever reason they could dream up.

ANYTHING to keep SP out of the spotlight, and in the Republican Witness Protection Program !

24 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

I’m not a big Pray-er, but I am praying that they solve this problem by 9 AM Friday. Then there is no reason to cancel. And if he makes some other excuse to avoid it, then the writing will be on the wall.

24 09 2008
raingods

maryjblog,

I read that as unitard butt and had a very unpleasant image😛

24 09 2008
elie

If this wasn’t so pathetic, it would be fun. I just saw that Keith Oberman is going to sub for McCain on the David Letterman show tonight. I will be popping my pop corn and settling in to watch the fun! I don’t think McCain is going to fare well at his hands!

By the way…Is the V.P. debate going to be rescheduled until November 5th?

24 09 2008
plwalsh

No, I think McCain really blew it this time.

What’s he going to do when he goes to Washington? He’s not on the right committees. He hasn’t been around for months. He’s not up on where the negotations are. No one wants him to get involved He’s just going to look stupid.

So he’s going to make a few campaign speeches from the floor of the senate, try to wangle a photo op. and then cool is heels.

Plus Congress and the American public are furious about this plan that McCain has more or less endorsed. AND he behaved horribly in blindsiding Obama in this obvious move to steal the limelight.

For once, the American public HAS to be smart enough to see thriough this nonsense.

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

This is absolutely incredible…Palin is not ready, McCain is not ready. Biden (sort of, given the history of gaffes and all) and Obama are ready. This is political crap at it’s worst. Every day there’s something else. It blows me away.

24 09 2008
NY Dem

Keith on Letterman tonite ?

I’m setting my TIVO right now !!!

24 09 2008
A Nana from Alaska

What’s next? Postpone the election?

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Snoskred (15:27:11) : If this is true, McCain’s health, then this needs to be disclosed. It is irresponsible not to do so. What am I saying, as if that matters.. Never mind.

24 09 2008
NY Dem

This is dated – but it does seem SO appropriate right now – hope you all have a laugh:

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Mondale Campaign Offers Reasons for Skipping Debate
by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace · No Comments

(2002-11-02) — Minnesota surrogate Senate candidate Walter F. Mondale today offered reasons for skipping last night’s scheduled debate with the three other candidates. Actually, his campaign committee offered, in a hasty news release, the….

Top Ten Reasons I Missed the Debate.

10. The sun was in my eyes.
9. I had a roast in the oven.
8. I can reach more people face to face, traveling by bus, than on TV.
7. I had to go to a soccer game for my great, great, great, great grandson.
6. I’m still waiting to be told what I stand for.
5. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine, and Norm Coleman is no Jack Kennedy.
4. What debate?
3. I was rolling over my 401K.
2. The debate was after my bedtime.
1. Paul Wellstone would have wanted me to skip the debate.

24 09 2008
culturepress

This is just a bad PR stunt by the McCain camp.
http://culturepress.wordpress.com/

24 09 2008
Smitty

Now we see what the real endgame is. Palin ain’t ready for prime-time. He wants the vice-presidential debate basically cancelled.

Wasn’t enough to water it down, now he just doesn’t want her to speak period.

Isn’t there a show on MTV called the “SurReal Life?” Flava Flav is watchin the clock…..

24 09 2008
sheesh

“For one, McCain nor Obama are involved with any of the committees dealing with the bailout, nor are they President. What possible thing does McCain think he can accomplish. Do people think he’s just going to ride in on his white horse and save the day? Yeah right! Why do I know this? Because my husband is a reporter on Capitol Hill. ”

I was just wondering about this very thing PinkMoore. If, in fact, either were members of the committees there would be some logic to the request. The only other reason that could possibly make this a reasonable request is that there is a vote on the floor on Friday evening. Otherwise there is absolutely no reason to bail out of the debate on Friday.

Pure and simple it’s a bail out because McCain isn’t up to speed for a debate and either is Palin. Obama responded brilliantly. I truly think McCain just put a nail in the coffin with this move. Palin drove another one in yesterday with her locking the press out. Who the heck is running their campaign??? Insane tactics

24 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

The implications of this delaying the VICE PRESIDENTIAL debate cannot be overlooked! This is really serious. I can’t help but wonder if THIS is really the end-game here.

(CNN) — McCain supporter Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there’s no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

24 09 2008
NY Dem

A little debate history:

US presidential debates: Highs and lows

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 7:35PM BST 24 Sep 2008

Richard Nixon (1960)

Some 70 million viewers tuned in for the first televised presidential debate. On the substance, Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy were evenly matched. But Nixon’s fatal mistake was to decline to wear make-up.

Under the glare of the lights, he looked tense, pale and sweaty with a five o’clock shadow. In contrast, the tanned Kennedy seemed the picture of robust good health and radiated confidence. Kennedy went on to win the election by a whisker.

Gerald Ford (1976)

In a debate with Jimmy Carter, President Ford, who already had a reputation for being a bumbler, boldly stated: “There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, and there never will be under a Ford Administration.” The Soviet Union had hundreds of thousands of troops in its satellite states in Eastern Europe.

The incredulous moderator asked him to try again. Rather than realising his mistake, Ford dug a deeper hole, reeling off the names of countries behind the Iron Curtain that were “independent, autonomous” and had their “own territorial integrity”. Ford seemed out of dangerously out of touch. He narrowly lost to Carter.

Jimmy Carter (1980)

Four years later, it was Jimmy Carter’s turn to make a blooper when debating Ronald Reagan. There were sniggers around the auditorium when he said that he’d consulted his daughter Amy, 13, about policy.

“I had a discussion with Amy the other day before I came here, to ask her what the most important issue was. She said she thought nuclear weaponry and the control of nuclear arms.” The late-night comedians were merciless and Carter lost the election.

Michael Dukakis (1988)

When asked whether he’d favour the death penalty if his wife Kitty were raped and murdered, Dukakis responded in a bloodless, lawyerly manner.

“No, I don’t. And I think you know that I’ve opposed the death penalty during all of my life. I don’t see any evidence that it’s a deterrent, and I think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime.”

He went on to talk about the drop in the Massachusetts crime rate and the need for international co-operation in the war against drugs. But the audience, which did not detect any sign of humanity, had already tuned out. Dukakis lost to George H. W. Bush.

Dan Quayle, vice-presidential candidate (1988)

Before the debate, Quayle’s advisers had told him not to compare himself to John F. Kennedy. He ignored them. “I have as much experience in the Congress as Jack Kennedy did when he sought the presidency,” Quayle told his opponent Senator Lloyd Bentsen.

Bentsen’s retort was devastating. “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy,” he said. “I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy.” Quayle’s reputation never recovered, though he was on the winning ticket with George H. W. Bush and served as vice-president for four years.

George H.W. Bush (1992)

In the middle of a debate with Bill Clinton, President Bush checked his watch on camera while an audience member was asking a question about how the recession had personally affected him. It made him look bored and callous. “Of course, you feel it when you’re president of the United States. That’s why I’m trying to do something about it,” he said.

Bush, who lost the election to Clinton, later revealed what had been on his mind: “Only 10 more minutes of this crap.”

Al Gore (2000)

During the first presidential debate of the 2000 election, Vice President Al Gore’s repeated sighs as his listened to George W. Bush respond to questions were picked up by the microphones.

His frequent exhalations of air captured more attention than the details of either man’s answers and cemented a feeling that Gore was self-important and condescending. He failed to win the White House by just 537 votes in Florida.

24 09 2008
ocliberal

McCain wants to reschedule the debate until October 2 and then reschedule the VP debate!

His motivation is to not let Palin debate because he knows he is 1000% screwed if she does?

Did anyone see Palin on Katie Couric??????

transcript here: http://home.comcast.net/~duncanblack/couricpalin.htm

You can’t make this stuff up because no one would believe you!!!!


COURIC: But he’s been in Congress for 26 years. He’s been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

PALIN: He’s also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he’s been talking about–the need to reform government.

COURIC: I’m just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I’ll try to find you some and I’ll bring them to you.

24 09 2008
Smitty

Letterman was hilarious. He heard McCain was down the street so on his opening monologue asked McCain if he needed a ride home.
Then he asked McCain to send in his #2, Palin……

Letterman ought to be fantastic tonite.
Last night if you get a chance check out Wanda Sykes on Palin

24 09 2008
Matt

I also think that McCain is trying to make himself look better for the American people. But he’s doing exactly what people don’t want. People want to see the person who will be the next President out in front telling them their ideas and proposals for how they would lead the country. Obama should not let his guard down though. He should be prepared for people coming out against him for this. He’s going to move even further up in the polls after this I think.

24 09 2008
karen marie

mcpalin is in complete disarray.

now they want to indefinitely postpone the vp debate.

and then there’s this:

Oops! Colorado McCain camp sends internal e-mail to reporters
The regional spokesman for John McCain in Colorado accidentally sent the campaign’s internal talking points on the candidate’s plans to suspend his campaign to its entire Colorado media list, instead of a list of key volunteers, Wednesday afternoon, PolitickerCO’s Jeremy Pelzer reports.

The memo, titled “TALKING POINTS: SUSPENDING THE CAMPAIGN,” includes a list of points the campaign wants emphasized, and includes this warning from Kise: “Please do not proactively reach out to the media on this.”

go here for full story: http://coloradoindependent.com/9151/oops-colorado-mccain-camp-sends-internal-e-mail-to-reporters

McCain’s plans to stop campaigning — and a proposal to cancel Friday’s debate with Obama — had already been widely reported Wednesday afternoon.

24 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

Hold on a sec…… one of the Keating 5 is going to HELP?

Give me strength.

24 09 2008
nswfm

McCain has turned into a blithering, dithering idiot. I hope he withdraws from the election.

24 09 2008
24 09 2008
Snoskred

Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin (15:34:52) :

Snoskred (15:27:11) : If this is true, McCain’s health, then this needs to be disclosed. It is irresponsible not to do so. What am I saying, as if that matters.. Never mind.

It is irresponsible that he only gave the press 3 hours to look at hundreds of pages of his medical records..😦

If the Dems had done that? What kind of trouble would they be in?

24 09 2008
Deb

McCain has to go to Washington to be in on talks about economy, and can’t be at debate. Simple. It says he can’t multi-task.

24 09 2008
MJC

YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME! 🙂

24 09 2008
Lynne

I think this move was an attempt to derail today’s likely media topics: 1) the bizarre Palin press incident yesterday, 2) his senior campaign staff member Rick Davis’ lobbying ties, 3) McCain’s recent nosedive in the polls, and 4) McCain’s culpability in the S&L crisis and how his policies then and now brought us to the current financial meltdown.

But I also think it was a “dead grandma” ploy to postpone Palin’s debate. If she can’t even answer a simple question, then she sure ain’t ready for a debate.

24 09 2008
Snoskred

Oops, forgot the end tag, sorry!🙂 My comment was –

It is irresponsible that he only gave the press 3 hours to look at hundreds of pages of his medical records..😦

If the Dems had done that? What kind of trouble would they be in?

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

***TOTALLY OFF TOPIC!***

As I posted earlier, I took the day off (from MUDFLATS) for a physical therapy visit. I have only been to her office once before, and that was last week. On my way there, I was “sign counting” and cringing because I did NOT see ONE SINGLE OBAMA SIGN! I counted 6 McCain/Palin signs – one was a 4′ x 8′ BANNER! (I wonder if they have a webcam set-up to watch it? If not…??? JUST KIDDING!). I was also listening to Ed Schultz and guests talking about Palin/economy/Rick Davis pmts, tec, thinking about what I was missing on Mudflats, and my hair was on fire as it has been most recent days.

When I arrived at the building where my PT is, I parked, went in, walked upstairs, entered the office, gave the receptionist my name, sat down and started watching CNN on their big screen – was immediately, totally enthralled in the developing news – McCain’s not gonna what???.

After a few minutes, I was asked by the staff to spell my last name…then my first name. I noticed another person was called-in to help search for me in the data base…sheesh! I thought these folks must not be very well organized – lost my file since last Thursday!

The receptionist finally told me I not only wasn’t on their schedule, but they had absolutely NO record of me having ever been there. MUST BE JOHN McCAIN’s doing, I thought! Of course I am NOT paranoid!

“I was here, for the first time, last Thursday,” I finally said. When the bewildered woman finally asked, “Are you here to see the dentist or for a cleaning?” Even then it took a few minutes for it to register that I hadn’t noticed one single thing except the “talking heads” spewing the news-fix my addiction requires! So, there I stood, speechless, like a moose caught in headlights!

OMG! After taking a few deep breaths, I came out of my gobsmacked fog and took a good look around. The dentist’s office I was in held NO resemblance to the PT’s where one can see folks exercising, big equipment…and THERE IS NO TELEVISION.

Head down, I told her I was there for physical therapy. “Their office is across the hall,” she said with a sympathetic smile. I left quickly, because I was afraid she was going to offer to take me by the arm and guide me there…

Of course, I couldn’t resist telling my physical therapist what had happened – then she told everyone else in the office, and THEY all had a good laugh…hahaha! I am literally turning into a lunatic over this election!

I told you this was off topic, but fellow Mudflatters, I live in Western Washington! I know Obama’s climbing back up in the polls here, but I am concerned.

Now I am going to write to Keith O. and Rachel and thank them for ranting for me every night! I am also going to write to the media outlets and ask them to call McCain OUT! As Obama said, ‘We can go to Washington, but we both have big planes that get us to Mississippi quickly!’ GOBAMA!

Thanks, in sdvance, fellow Mudpuppies, for allowing me to vent!

24 09 2008
Snoskred

I just saw some of Palin with Katie Couric..

Crash and burn, baby!

24 09 2008
MJC

I think the real reason McCain wants to postpone his debate is to prevent Palin from debating next week. He knows she totally screwed up on the interview with Katie Couric, proving she is not ready to be VP let alone prepared to Debate with Biden!

24 09 2008
ds55

Snoskred (15:27:11) : (regarding McCain being seriously ill)

Maybe McCain is trying to make his way back to Washington for a secret hospital visit. If he is ill, it will be a challenge to hide it for the next 41 days.

24 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

OMG, I just read a portion of Katie Couric’s interview with Palin. This woman (Palin) is nothing but a BIMBO!

24 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

24 09 2008
ds55

//Susie in Jersey (15:49:48) : OMG, I just read a portion of Katie Couric’s interview with Palin. This woman (Palin) is nothing but a BIMBO!//

The worse Sarah looks, the worse McCain looks for picking her.

24 09 2008
protus

The truth of the matetr is McCain is running scared and trying to divert the subject onto himself.

Barrack Called him and they talked today about agreeing on what should be addressed as far as this bill is concerned.

Then McCain and his staff decided to play one upmanship and delcare that he is going to suspend his campaign for the good of the country???

And to call off the Debate??

I smell A Big Pile of BULLSHIT.

They are constantly in touch with their party leaders about this situation.

They can give their inout from anywhere in the world face to face with todays technology.

He doesnt want to debate because he knows it will not be about national security only. He doesnt want to face his own worst subject first in a debate the economy.

If McCain does not want to run for president perhaps its time for the reptards to pick someone else??

24 09 2008
Edna

Ah, but no one is remembering the LAST time McCain was involved with a scandal involving the bailout of a large financial institution that was responsible for wiping out the savings of lots of elderly folks. Anyone remember the “Keating 5”? The SEC at the time didn’t convict him but determined he demonstrated “poor judgment” for the appearance of impropriety approaching the regulators who were responsible for determining how to handle Keating’s S&L’s bailout. Keating was hoping those senators would get the regulators OFF HIS BACK, with disasterous consequences.

Yeah, that’s the kind of experience we need! Meddling YET AGAIN in financial crises and messing everything up!

24 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

The entire McCain campaign is nothing but a soap opera. We’ll be able to laugh about it in a few weeks and all the entertainment we got from these clowns.

24 09 2008
White Agate

I just got home from kid stuff and read the news. This is truly a country in the TWILIGHT ZONE! Seriously! It’s like we all go about our normal lives and hope when we come home at night the country is still solvent, functional, whatever…

…I’m sure the international community thinks we are out there, too.

Something is up, is it just buying time or is it something worse, or are they switching the ticket? What are they up to? I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them.

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Snoskred… I remember reading that… and I agree, McCain does not look well, $5K make-up or no (that’s on HuffPo, too) He is too old for this gig and Palin… what can one say in decent company about that?

24 09 2008
Jerachiron

Bull<#*t! McCain hasn’t stepped on the senate floor since April 2008. He picked Sara Anti-Christ Palin for VP. He is losing it. He knows she cannot carry a conversation with the press without looking like a stomp idiot. He has been canceling talkshows. He just is not President material, period.
Save all your McCain/Palin buttons they will be worth alot in the future, we will remember this time as the biggist joke in America.
Sorry Alaskans we all know what you have had to go through. You can always impeach her when she comes back Nov 5th. Or maybe she’ll retreat to that little country , Georgia, near the Soviet Union. They can all live happily ever after with their British Petroleum Pipeline.

24 09 2008
Duct Idaho Palin

Loved the “fled the interview” headline.. there’s no situation that can’t be impoved by a “Fargo” quote!

24 09 2008
RW

After watching part 1 of the Katie Couric interview just now, and seeing how bad Palin did, I’m guessing that McCain is trying to move the VP debates to a later time, so Palin can get a little more educated.

24 09 2008
Duct Idaho Palin

er IMPROVED

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

BTW.. watching Queen Sarah and Katie is a fun romp through wonderland. What an idiot. I say we send her back to AK with a red bow and you all can stick her on a raft and send her out to sea. Deal?

24 09 2008
MJC

Lou Dobbs is on CNN railing that both candidates should skip the debate and go to Washington intstead! I’m really starting to not like him at all.

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Duct Idaho… Love that movie:)

24 09 2008
marci

The McCain camp is hiding, afraid of what the voters may see, relying on the idiocy and superficiality of much of the electorate, trying to scare the voters with ‘tax increases’ and deficit spending and other nonsense. It is up to voters to talk to their friends and neighbors and spell out the truth. McCain/Palin is not the choice for a future of health and prosperity in the US.

24 09 2008
Joan

Plain horsefeathers!

First, McCain rips off Obama’s idea to present a dual statement on the economic crisis, then he takes credit not only for that but also postures as the Knight In Shining Armor of Washington who is going to selflessly drop all this base politicking to find The Answer (to a problem that began fully a week ago!). As if both candidates weren’t already involved as much as they realistically can be, and their actual physical presence would make an iota of difference to the negotiations!

Of course, Prima Donna McCain just looks like what he is – a grandstanding hysteric (after all, those poll numbers stink!) plunging in desperately to look heroic and change the subject at the same time! Oh My God, solve the economic crisis AND attend a debate?!?! Impossible, unreasonable!!

And of course it takes Obama to quietly remind us that a President often has to balance several things at once – “chew gum and walk at the same time”!

This whole thing is a classic example of how unfit McCain is to lead our country. End of story!

24 09 2008
CoyoteMarti

AKM,

Can’t wait to see your offering up of tonight’s Couric interview with Miss P. Spoiler alert: Couric ROCKED. Palin, not so much. Ha Ha, Ho Ho, and Hee Hee.

24 09 2008
chloe - Skein Chug Palin

“Bauk Bauk . .. Baaaaaauk” – McCain

24 09 2008
bPoint

If SarahPalin can fly 8+hours to have a baby, certainly John McCain can fly 1 1/2 hours to have a debate.

24 09 2008
Erin

indieJ (15:24:15) :

I’m telling you, this will get spun in his favor. McCain is going to make this his last stand. Repugs and Fox News will tell everyone the bit about “the maverick willing to risk his entire campaign to save the country”.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Makes me think McCain got a leetle too involved in Monday night’s episode of Heroes. Do you think he thinks he can fly, too?

24 09 2008
Fiona

This is the most absurd excuse I’ve heard in quite a while, and I’ve got a teenage son, so believe me I’ve heard some pretty far-fetched, pathetic excuses before.

24 09 2008
drchill

McCain blinked.

The spin is that he will use the time to do something important, while Obama merely tries to get elected.

Let the debated happen. Let Palin stand in for McCain for the debate.
That IS the job of the VP. Right Sarah? Sarah? you know that thats the VP’s job, right?

You’re ready to stand in for McCain RIGHT !?

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

K.O. started off with zingers! Can’t wait for Letterman…Grrr!

24 09 2008
indieJ

Erin

I think he was desperate and I think the analogy of the “hail mary pass” was an accurate one that somone else wrote today. I get paranoid because sometimes hail mary plays work. Normally when my Auburn Tigers have to endure the opposition throwing a hail mary, I’m the one that is pulling my hair out thinking it will be completed. Maybe I’m just the paranoid type and living in a totally Red state I of course get the vibe from everyone around me here that it was a great move and it demonizes Obama.

24 09 2008
cincykid

What else needs to happen before the American public gets wise?

ENOUGH!!!

By the way, there’s now a video on Keith Olbermann of Sarah P being prayed over by her wacko witch doctor pastor! Praise the Lord and pass the snakes!

24 09 2008
proud2busa

I am so concerned by the intellect of some of our “fellow” Americans. . . .

. . . this should be soooooooooooooooo obvious. . .

Obama is quickly becoming my hero.

24 09 2008
Halcrow


A Nana from Alaska (15:33:44) :

What’s next? Postpone the election?

Looks like Elvis and Barbie have both left the building.

Seriously though, what if McCain slips even further into a persistent vegetative state and doesn’t wake up in time for the election, and what if Palin is impeached/criminally charged in Alaska before the election?

What happens if there is really only one sentient presidential candidate on election (as of today, there are two: one real and one also-ran and his VP candidate)?

There’s no such thing as a Rent-A-Republican-candidate service, so perhaps Bush could volunteer to stay on for another four years of victory in Iraq and try for a victory in Iran, too?

Maybe one of the more obscure clauses of the Patriot Act gives Bush the mandate for another four-year term if the incoming Republican presidential candidates fall asleep or self-destruct ?

24 09 2008
Halcrow

Why doesn’t Todd fill in?

24 09 2008
trig

Pretty amazing that Old Mac can’t 1) do his job as Senator and 2) can’t take 90 minutes plus travel time for a debate.

The guy has TWO jets at his disposal, the campaign jet and the family jet.

Btw, he has THE worst voting record in the Senate so obviously he doesn’t spend much time already in DC worrying about America’s other issues.

McCain is pathetic.

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

bPoint (16:02:23) :

If SarahPalin can fly 8+hours to have a baby, certainly John McCain can fly 1 1/2 hours to have a debate.

bPoint,
I’m with you. If McCain can’t work in the Senate, during the day, Friday…then fly to Mississippi for the debate (like walk and chew gum?) then he truly is not ready to serve.

That said, McCain’s cry is “COUNTRY FIRST!” and that’s what many will hear. SCARY!

24 09 2008
Shove Maggot Palin aka the problem child

Apparently, now the GOP proposal (Sen Graham) is to have the presidential debate on Thursday — when the VP debate was supposed to take place! Talk about transparent!

24 09 2008
indieJ

Wolff on Olberman just made a very good point.

If McCain is staying in New York tonight without heading directly back to DC, that doesnt bode well for him. If you made it out to be a catasrophic event that you and Obama MUST get back to Washington for….you can’t really hang out for the remainder of that day and night without heading back can you? You cancel the Letterman deal without actually leaving town and you want people to believe your agenda wasnt a political only one. The Dems need to follow the travel moves of McCain and see how much time he actually spends in DC and how much of that time is actually meeting with Bush or the Repubs in Congress….also how many Dems’ does he talk to since he is pushing the “bi-partisan” angle as the big turning point for them needing to head back.

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

Keith O. just made a great point. McCain CAID he was suspending his campaign, then had lunch with Rothchild, held the Couric interview, is staying in NY until tomorrow to address the Global Initiative…THERE IS SAYING YOU’RE SUSPENDING YOUR CAMPAIGN – THAN THERE IS ACTUALLY SUSPENDING YOUR CAMPAIGN!

24 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Gina (15:26:46) :

I think Obama should go ahead with the debate, and he should put Warren Buffett at McCain’s podium, with the promise that Buffett will be the Secretary of the Treasury in his administration. I don’t care what people think about abortion or moose hunting, they ALL know that Warren Buffet understands finance and the economy!
—————————————-

Gina,

Excellent, excellent post.

24 09 2008
White Agate

Shark has been jumped, I tell you, if it hadn’t been it has now…shark jumpage!

24 09 2008
ColoradoGal

I also did not see this new thread and have moved this from the last thread.

In an article on Huffington Post, Nico Pitney states:

“4) A reminder: President Bush was able to debate John Kerry while he was president. For all of his sudden urgency, McCain acknowledged just yesterday that he had not even read the administration’s three-page bailout proposal.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccain-wants-a-time-out_n_128991.html

What kind of substantive input could he possibly have and how imperative could all this possibly be to him if, as of yesterday, he had not even bothered to read the three-page bailout proposal?

There is another article on Huffington Post about what delaying the debate would cost the University of Mississippi:

“Andrew Mullins, special assistant to University Chancellor Robert Khayat, told ABC News that the Ole Miss campus has been transformed to accommodate the candidates and the press. Road blocks are in place on campus and in the community and the debate television set for the candidates has already been constructed. He said the university has spent roughly five and half million dollars getting ready for the debate.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/ole-miss-officials-debate_n_129057.html

What a phony ploy this is and with absolutely no consideration for anything other than possible ways to try to advance his own campaign. I have to believe that the average thinking person can see right through this. Talk about transparency!

24 09 2008
pearl89

McCain is not only trying to postpone his debate, but also Palin’s. I think that is the real political motive behind this move. McCain camp hoping that they can postpone if not outright eliminate Biden/Palin debate.

While reading the stories about the latest John McCain grandstanding play and the sequence of events leading up to it, two thoughts came to mind. Exactly how untrustworthy he is. And if I were a foreign head of state of would I want to do business with someone who I am dealing with in good faith, that just changes the rules of the game and pulls the rug out from under me? How would you know you could trust this person? This latest move just serves again to show how dishonorable John McCain really is.

24 09 2008
Deb

ok…so now Bush has invited both Obama and McCain to talks about the economy. Stranger and stranger!

24 09 2008
Shove Maggot Palin aka the problem child

AnneinWA:
Maybe McCain is afraid he’ll miss his nap?

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

The White House just invited both McCain and Obama to a meeting TOMORROW to discuss this economic situation…

SO? Tomorrow is Thursday – let them meet. Heck, let them meet again on Friday.

THEN GET ON THEIR BIG PLANES AND FLY TO MISSISSIPPI AND DEBATE!

24 09 2008
ladybug-red

Erin

I had exactly the same thought/fear about the Hail Mary pass analogy when I heard it earlier. I had to laugh when I read your comment since I, too am a Auburn Tiger (86)!

24 09 2008
ds55

I’m was a little disappointed to see the Repub campaign suspension and postponed presidential debate take over the headlines. I think the Muthee church laying on of hands video is way more interesting news. I’m glad Keith Olbermann is going to talk about it tonight. 🙂

24 09 2008
YummyMudslides

Could someone reread the president’s plan and see if the billions he wants to spend includes some anti-anxiety meds for me?

24 09 2008
Glenn2008

McCanine’s regulatory history by a pittbull:

24 09 2008
mimi

Cronopio: Yes indeed , that is the same crap my sons would try in the 7th grade when they hadn’t studied for the test – my stomach hurts, my head hurts, I can’t go!!!

Now I have to go google Katie Couric who I usually avoid as I can’t stand that simpering voice and the inflections make me crazy but let’s see how she does………..

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

Shove Maggot Palin aka the problem child (16:19:39) :

AnneinWA:
Maybe McCain is afraid he’ll miss his nap?

shove,

I wish I could sleep!

I simply hope this DOES NOT get spun as McCain=Country First!

Don’t dismiss those out there who will see it that way.

24 09 2008
MJC

I don’t know how you guys feel, but I do not want this bill to be passed in haste. We have the right to know what all the fine
details entail. Passing something by Friday or Monday is insane!

Most of the American public don’t want this bail out, so if the candidates agree to this, there will be a backlash.

24 09 2008
UK lady AKA turning turtle Palinps

Agree with Snoskred, don’t think McCain is well. I also noticed his left eye looks strange.

As for Palin, just watched part of the Couric interview and, well, what can you say? this lady has been promoted way above her level.

24 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

“In what respect, Katieeee?”

THAT would have been the epitome of lines.

I really want that button…. “In what respect, Charleeee?”

What a stooge.

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

YummyMudslides (16:22:15) :

Could someone reread the president’s plan and see if the billions he wants to spend includes some anti-anxiety meds for me?

Yummy,

God one. I don’t even drink (am thinking about starting). However, lately, when I gargle with my alcohol laden mouthwash, I seem to have a desperate urge to swallow it and chug some more!

24 09 2008
rachelbirds
24 09 2008
AnneinWA

mimi (16:22:26) :

Cronopio: Yes indeed , that is the same crap my sons would try in the 7th grade when they hadn’t studied for the test – my stomach hurts, my head hurts, I can’t go!!!

mimi.
GREAT ANALOGY!

24 09 2008
messianicgentile

For story on “Presidential Address, My Ass…”
go to

http://www.BadChili.blogspot.com

24 09 2008
NY Dem

I was just thinking about that too, ColoradoGal. Didn’t realize Ole Miss had spent that much ($5.5 million) !

They should send the bill to the McCain campaign if he doesn’t show up.

24 09 2008
BullwinkleCringing

I think McCain is having problems in the right hemisphere of that little right wing brain of his. I just watched closely on KO the left side of his face seems quite slack. During the BS session today his left eye looked droopy. My brother died of brain cancer last year and I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. I hope he is not that ill, even if I can’t stand to listen to him.

WOW I used to like the guy. Oh well I think I’m gonna get good and drunk now see y’all later.

24 09 2008
messianicgentile
24 09 2008
Patrick Alcatraz

For story: “Presidential Address, My Ass…”

go to

http://www.BadChili.blogspot.com

24 09 2008
U D

Glenn2008 (16:22:20) :

McCanine’s regulatory history by a pittbull:

Classic😀

24 09 2008
Icy Russia Palin

Heh…from Politico: It was a good thing McCain’s tactics took over the news today. Hoping people wouldn’t pay much attention to the Couric interview?

” Not only did Palin say the country could be facing another Great Depression without a bailout, but she offered a painful silence when pressed about campaign manager’s Rick Davis’s ties to Freddie Mac.

And, at the end, she had no good answer when asked by Couric for examples of what McCain has done to regulate Wall Street.

First, she reminded Couric that McCain had been “known as the maverick.”

Pressed for details, Palin threw in the towel.

“I’ll try to find you some and I’ll bring them to you,” she said with a smile. “

24 09 2008
themikeyreport

Let’s see, McCain gets tortured for five years in North Vietnam and he’s afraid of Obama. Yeah, sure. I’m sure he’s shaking in his $500 loafers.

Maybe you want a debate. I want this “bailout” thing to get done right. John McCain is just going to Washington, DC to do the job he was elected to do. Good for him. That’s a real leader. And if the situation were turned around, liberals would be saying the same thing about Obama. Hey, Barack… WE pay your salary. Go do your job.

24 09 2008
SB

::delurking a sec::

If I’m not mistaken, and I could be, Friday’s debate was supposed to be on foreign policy, not the economy.

That said… Instead of screwing up the rest of the debate schedule, why not simply shift the veep debate to Friday night?

Yeah, I know… LOLOLOLOLOLOL…

24 09 2008
Anonymous

HEY McCoward………..since you are gonna be so busy solving the crisis you created with your lobbyist buds………send in the second in charge……..u-m-m-m…….BAD IDEA ! Only a Senator who had a stroke has a worse attendance record……….multi-task dude……..see ya at ole’ Miss ………….toast!!!

24 09 2008
tigerwine

Deuce22:

Thanks for the Charlie Wrangell link – TOO FUNNY

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Hey… next up on Keith is the hands laying on off thing with Sarah… scary. MSNBC. Now, be there, Aloha.

24 09 2008
tigerwine

OMG – spelled Charlie’s name like the Alaskan mountains! Was in AK too long!

24 09 2008
yipyip

I’m inclined to think McCain is ill, perhaps some “get well” cards are in order.

24 09 2008
Esther

There is another internet vote on whether there should be a debate Friday reachable on the front page of the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/public/us

Right now its 74%/26% Yes/No with about 5900 votes. Watch the No’s go up this evening as the republican voting machine finds it.

24 09 2008
Larry

Why suspend your campaign when Sarah Plain is second in command. It was said at the GOP convention that she has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

24 09 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Latest on Fox

Bush Proposes Meeting With Obama, McCain and Congressional Leaders on Bailout Bill
WHAT?!!! So nobody wants Obama showing up for the debate?

Yeah, I’ve been worried about McCain’s droopy left side – mini-stroke? Gotta be stressful running for the Prez. Maybe he just needs to be a lot closer to Walter Reed?

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Esther– voted! Thanks for the link!

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

And, Mudpuppies, we are a voting machine, too. Check Esther’s post and vote!!!

24 09 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

BTW, Mudflats, Thanks. I knew there was something amiss with Governor Palin from the beginning – you’ve shown me what.

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin
24 09 2008
White Agate

Heavens to mergatroid! I’ve been over at Kos reading and do you know, there is no basis for the $700B number, none whatsoever, except that it’s the total at the moment liquidity of the US (best guess).

This pretty much sums up what I think, from a comment there:

Grover Norquist gets his wish (1+ / 0-)
The purpose of this 700 b is NOT to bail out the banks. The end game of this Bush proposal is to set up a program that will bleed the Federal government dry and kill every social program, period.

Grover Norquist has the Federal government in the bath tub and the Neo Cons are pushing as hard as possible to drown the government in Wall St red ink.

We all know there is plenty of cash on the sidelines to buy every bank in the US. If the Wall St boys take the offers it will save the banking system but at the expense of their personal wealth. Which they do not want to give up.

I have no sympathy for these criminals, they created a ponzi scheme where they packaged and repacked the same paper then sold it to each other over and over again for fat fees.

If Buffet gets 20% on his investment the the US taxpayer should get no less. That is the current market price for bailouts.

by Organic George on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:05:42 PM PDT

If this isn’t the truth, what is?

24 09 2008
SMR

Okay everyone, calm down! Ask yourself this: how is this situation going to affect the opinions of those undecideds out there?

We already know that JM is a cowardly loser hypocrite etc etc. We are voting for Obama. There are people voting for Obama, according to the polls, the majority of the US, and the question becomes how many were strongly in his corner vs. on the fence?

There are a bunch of rethugs out there who were ready to vote for the rethug ticket no matter WHAT or WHO. JM could be caught in the men’s room with Larry Craig and they would still vote for him because he is a rethug and Obama is NOT. They won’t care that he’s done this, I think I don’t have much hope that they will consider his actions dishonorable, they don’t understand honor or integrity.

So, let’s talk about ways that this can be a constructive issue? How can this be spun to Obama’s advantage? No, I don’t trust JM either, and I can come up with lots of conspiracy theories, but let’s think positive! We here have already made up our minds! How are we going to discuss this with those who haven’t decided?

24 09 2008
Hyla
24 09 2008
MJC

Hi Crust Scramble,

Augusta, Georgia represented here!🙂

24 09 2008
getaclue

it’s the Financial Patriot Act, drawn up well in advance. The final step in Argentiniantizing the US. If it OR ANY form of bailout passes, you can start buying wheelbarrows, for the dollar will be worth less than toilet paper.

When the collapse comes, the MILITARY will be deployed on American streets to deal with the ensuing chaos. http://www.911blogger.com/node/17903

Party like it’s 1930 and learn the lyrics to “Brother, Can You Spare A Dime.”

Oh and of course, the election will have to be canceled till further notice. Or the dominionist Princess of Alaska, every bit as big a tool as the White House’s present occupant, will quickly be installed following the old man’s tragic but not unexpected demise.

You heard it here.
getaclue | 09.24.08

24 09 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Nice to meet ya, MJC. Wow, think Georgia will turn blue before the election?

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

themikeyreport (16:35:21) :

Let’s see, McCain gets tortured for five years in North Vietnam and he’s afraid of Obama. Yeah, sure. I’m sure he’s shaking in his $500 loafers.

Maybe you want a debate. I want this “bailout” thing to get done right. John McCain is just going to Washington, DC to do the job he was elected to do. Good for him. That’s a real leader. And if the situation were turned around, liberals would be saying the same thing about Obama. Hey, Barack… WE pay your salary. Go do your job.

Mikey,

I am certainly okay with both candidates going to DC and doing their jobs.

THEN, THEY CAN GET ON THEIR BIG PLANES AND FLY TO MISSISSIPPI AND DEBATE…AT LEAST OBAMA SAYS HE CAN DO BOTH! When things get tough, presidents have to work long hours (no naps) and multitask!

24 09 2008
PJ

Oh man–KO just KO’d Palin by showing the witchcraft video!!!!

On top of the Couric interview, and now this, WTF!!!!!

No wonder McCain suspended his campaign!!!

24 09 2008
Libbs

Crust Scramble – I’m hoping GA will turn blue (but I am in Marietta…very red).

24 09 2008
Gina

What about taking the 700 billion and getting health care for every citizen? The average Joe may have a hard time getting credit for a while, but at least he can take his family to the doctor.

24 09 2008
prettybrown

Oh my now I see why the want to delay the debates LOL. Did you see this Palin interview. Painful man just painful. It a scary thought that this could be the next VP of the US. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Palin_and_Couric.html

24 09 2008
NoCalGal

LOVE THIS SITE! Have enjoyed ALL the comments…

Arkangel-
How about this one: Johnny Boy pulled this back stabbing bit to take the heat off his campaign manager, who it looks like was on Freddie Mac’s payroll until last month as a lobbyist.

I agree- seems like another attempt at diversion + no VP Debate!

the Bailout is to bail SP out of the debates..

bPoint (16:02:23) :

If SarahPalin can fly 8+hours to have a baby, certainly John McCain can fly 1 1/2 hours to have a debate.

SNAP!!

Halcrow (16:10:22) :

Why doesn’t Todd fill in?

SNAP and LMAO

AnneWA

THERE IS SAYING YOU’RE SUSPENDING YOUR CAMPAIGN – THAN THERE IS ACTUALLY SUSPENDING YOUR CAMPAIGN!

riiigghhtt… off to donate to Obama as my monetary vote on this issue.

Seriously- the neo cons are in the tank and know it. They are doing everything they can to derail the election.. we need to howl LOUDLY and CLEARLY to all the powers that be (media and others) that we do NOT approve of this.

THEY NEED TO DEBATE, they need to multi-task and they need to stop trying to disenfranchise voters!

24 09 2008
Political Amazon

Love the reference to “Fargo” and Marge’s “Ahck! He’s fleeing the interview!”

24 09 2008
grumpy

I feel this is like the 60’s after a bad acid trip and reality is worse than the trip. Who would have thought this kind of clusterf*** could ever happen. Oooh the current occupant is on the tube..better go listen, he he

24 09 2008
NoCalGal

Spin to Obama’s advantage- just as he said. I can do two things at once- campaign and attend to the Senate. It is what presidents do… multi task.

AND I would like Obama to harrass the media to get on the story of all the efforts to disenfranchise voters. THAT is anti Democracy.. and I like to think it is UnAmerican too, tho history might not support that assertion (poll tax, literacy tests etc. etc.)

24 09 2008
Trini

AKM, you rock! I’ve been lurking here but now just too pissed off not to comment. Of course they should still debate! In my area, flags are put at half-mast to honor a service person who has fallen in Iraq. The flags have been at half-mast more than they have been up. We need to hear in this debate how to get our flags up again where they belong! I want answers. I have watched McCain and I seriously question whether he is experiencing the onset of dementia. He doesn’t look good. I’m so sorry for his family. Perhaps this is why he is avoiding the debate.

As for the rally, you Alaskans GO! SP is a completely tainted and unqualified candidate. When she comes back to Alaska, please set the wolves on her that she wants to shoot from the air. But seriously, please make sure to bring many registrars to register people to vote! Ask everyone! And stream the rally if you can. And hey, why not pick up a phone book and start calling everyone! Start with A and ask if they are registered and tell them to vote for Obama/Biden. We can do this everywhere! Keep it up mudflatters!

24 09 2008
FiredUp AKA Falter Locust Palin

Snoskred: regarding your observation that McCain looked ill lately- I had been thinking the same thing. I noticed that he looked VERY Pale and that the left side of his face looked a little droopy, but as nobody else had mentioned it, I thought I was imagining things.

As much as I do not want to see him in the White House, I certainly hope this is not the case, but it does seem odd…..

24 09 2008
kate aka chin duststrap

So much today.
Palin was horrible with Couric. “I’ll find ya some and I’ll bring ’em to ya.”What is that? She just rambles.

McCain is scared, Palin is not ready. Hopefully people will see McCain’s action is just last minute desparate tactic. Obama came across very presidential-this is when people need to hear from their potential leaders.

And it has crossed my mind too that McCain is not well. This could all be too much for him and he needs a break, a lighter schedule.

24 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Me thinks that Bush has money invested in the company that
made the teleprompter he is reading from.
I————–know.

24 09 2008
katydid

McShame shot himself in the foot pulling out of the debate, methinks. Unless something really shifty happens.

Okay, Esther, I voted! Thanks for link. Now, off to view the latest Troopergate Update!

AKM and Mudflatters, awesome job as always!

I miss Rachel. Duhbya’s on.

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Fear and loathing from Bush. Party line anyone?
When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.

24 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Am watching Dubya– NOW he wants our cooperation? To bail out his I.O.U’s?
He’s lying! Buzz words: farms, homes, retirements. This is B.S.!

I’m not buying it.

No bailout until republican boot out!

24 09 2008
NY Dem

How dare this bozo preempt Rachel with his taped speech.

The Couric interview might be the last straw for Palin (I sure hope so).

Palin was absolutely pathetic. She has no clue.

And she still looks a man dressed in drag.

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

Just heard that Cindy McCain is off fund raising this evening…CAMPAIGN SUSPENDED???

I am also listening to Boooosh … and waiting to hear about WMD’s mushroom clouds!

24 09 2008
Ishtar (Icepick Motor Palin)

Sarah Palin with Katie Couric:

24 09 2008
Dee

Dick Morris, who is a slave to his uncontrolled envy and hatred of the Clintons, declared this evening on O’lielly that McCain is going to go to Washington and solve this whole economic crisis thing!!! Him, all by himself. Holy Crap Batman!! I WOULD NOT be at all surprised if indeed there is some kind of dirty, underhanded crap going on to make this old man look like a hero!!

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Be confident in our economy, uh huh.

24 09 2008
Dee

And , yes, as previously noted, he isn’t looking well. The left side of his face is looking poofier than ever and his left eye looks a bit strange.

24 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

What? We’ll insure up to 100,000 and after we give this bailout,$700 B, we might increase your insured deposits? Maybe….

24 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Buh bye Dubya… go Rachel, get him🙂

24 09 2008
AnneinWA

A new thread has been posted…

24 09 2008
Deb

ok….so McCain KNEW Bush was gonna invite a bi-partisan meeting (including Obama and McCain), so MCSAME jumped the gun before the invite was extended to Obama, cried “call off the debate, I’m headed to Washington!”, to make HIMSELF look good over a bi-partisan event that he KNEW was gonna happen in the first place

24 09 2008
Mad Skillz, son

McLame is tired. He wants a timeout. NOT. He is saying he will focus on finding a solution to this mess – the four failing companies are under FBI investigation, and adding more fuel to the fire is McCain’s aids taking $15K a month from one of the failed firms – he can say what he wants, and let’s not even let Palin and her scandals enter the picture – and anyone can see he’s tired. He doesn’t grasp how reality works. That 3 a.m. phone call is coming – he can’t just say ‘Leave me a message and I’ll get back to you after tea and crumpets.’ No. That’s not how life works.

One of my favorite movies of all-time is Crimson Tide. If you haven’t seen it, you owe it to yourself to watch it.

It’s basically old skool vs. new school thinking. But one of the best scenes involves the captain running a submarine drill right after a kitchen fire just broke out. Denzel felt it was a bad time to run the drill, but the Captain felt it was the perfect time to run it. Why? Chaos shouldn’t be an excuse to be unprepared. I didn’t agree initially with him, but realized the Cap’n was actually correct.

The POTUS is one of the top jobs in the world, right behind being a daddy. If you need a timeout, retire. Only full-time workers need apply.

24 09 2008
Mad Skillz, son

Off Drudge: EXCLUSIVE: LETTERMAN MOCKS MCCAIN CANCELLATION
Wed Sep 24 2008 17:41:58 ET

David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.

Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, “Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?”

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, “You don’t suspend your campaign. This doesn’t smell right. This isn’t the way a tested hero behaves.” And he joked: “I think someone’s putting something in his metamucil.”

“He can’t run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?”

“What are you going to do if you’re elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We’ve got a guy like that now!”

24 09 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

“Let’s see, McCain gets tortured for five years in North Vietnam and he’s afraid of Obama. Yeah, sure. I’m sure he’s shaking in his $500 loafers.”

Why wouldn’t he be? The power of the internet is being way underestimated all across the world. Look at the mudflat map and us; I’m getting acquainted with smart, informed folks from all over.

Bush read from the teleprompter for less than 18 minutes. Obama had it right – the middle class has been feeling this recession for years, and Bush, et. al are just now catching on?

24 09 2008
Gina

Thanks, Mad.

I don’t get tv, so it’s nice to read what’s happening!

24 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Guess I’ll log off for the evening. Don’t wish to be scolded
again because I’m not as technologically advanced as
some of the other posters are. Bill Clinton sounds great on CNN.

24 09 2008
girldujour

I am disgusted. Every single day I get more disgusted. We NEED Barack Obama. Just when it seems that things can’t get much worse, if McCain and Palin get into office it will get much worse and quickly.

We must be the laughing stock of the world. And easy prey at that.

24 09 2008
katydid aka Rake Trinket Palin

@Dee: possible stroke?

Help Main Street, no bail out for Wall Street.

24 09 2008
Deb

off topic for a sec here…..gotta LOVE KO’s video of muthee laying hands on sarah to ward off witchcraft!!

24 09 2008
MJC

Crust Scramble,
No, too many folks that won’t vote for an african american in Georgia.

24 09 2008
ann

my understanding is melanoma can reoccur spreading into the brain – you don’t know it until symptoms start showing up….not to wish ill to the old guy, but with the strange behavior, more swelling in his jaw/cheek…well, something is going on.

24 09 2008
Siege

Nana from Alaska:
I agree with your thoughts about a power grab. I do not trust Treasury Secretary and wonder if it is possible that in addition to oversight, they can pick someone else or a team of three where majority rules (bring in someone from Clinton years who has this experience- no idea who treasury secretary was). Do they have to give the power to HIM, even with oversight I feel like the overseers could be at a disadvantage if they do not have comparable level of expertise. He will just jargon them out of their minds.

24 09 2008
MJC

I guess tomorrows another day of “As the World Turns” with McShame and Palin. This is way too much drama for me.

24 09 2008
Dee

Really, the man is 72 , 10 years older than I am. I just mowed my very large yard to day (no riding mower for me) and I am pooped!! He has had malignant melanomas removed 4 times!!! He is just too old and too unwell to do anything to help this country!! And “she who must be obeyed” was TRAGIC in her interview with Couric. We are on a precipice here!! Electing these two will most definitely send us right over the edge.

24 09 2008
Linda in Virginia

Hey Deuce2 aka Axe Diesel

Loved the Rangel quote–thanks!

24 09 2008
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24 09 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

MJC, I hope you’re wrong – more and more folks are starting to realize that we’re all mongrels – a mix of this, a mix of that. Besides, it seems to me he’s either an African American Caucasian or a Caucasian African American. Either way, he’s still the smartest dog in the race.

24 09 2008
YummyMudslides

I may have been behind Obama before but tonight sealed the deal. That damn president screwed up my D*Tivo with his “My Economic Plan Will Save The US From Destruction (Pay No Mind To My Previous Speeches Where I Said I Will Save The US But Have Failed).

He cut into Criminal Minds. Now I have to record CSI which I don’t watch and I had two other recordings set for 9pm central. What is a true blooded American to do?

On a more honest note, I have read and have honestly went to almost every link posted. Yes, thanks to Mudflats, but also a great big thanks to all of you who keep me sane each and every day and remind me that even though I am in Indiana a very southern red state (I’m on the border of Chicago…..Go Cubs, Go Blue, Go Sox) there are many many more out there who feel and believe we can make a difference.

24 09 2008
BJA

Anyone else hear Chris Dodd interviewed by Rachel Maddow? Said he was glad to hear that John was taking an interest in the bill. Said Obama had been in touch with him, Bernake and Paulson, but not John McCain.

He’s not on the Banking Committee. To act as though he needs to be there for the negotiations is just plain BS.

24 09 2008
Creature of Habit

I have never in my life hated McCain more than now. This is shocking, base and despicable. I can not believe he is going to seriously scare the shit out of this country with his “it’s THAT bad” tactic just for political gain. Karl Rove has struck a new low, and McCain is playing right along so that he comes out ‘the savior’.

And now Bush is calling Obama back to Washington? As if Obama needs to ‘be called home’ because he’s staying out having a good time?

Obama was so calm and Presidential….I hope he maintains a level head in all of this.

24 09 2008
Grace RN NJ

Anyone got the key to the blinders that seem to blind some Americans to the overwhelming pile of shit that the McCan’t campain seems to generate on an hourly basis?

What the hell are they eating…well,soon their diet will change to crow……

24 09 2008
Siege

Anne in Washington:
Thanks for the laughter regarding your physical therapy/dentist visit. My father says he may have to report me for neglecting my children if I do not get off this campaign obsession.

24 09 2008
Terpsichore

The McCain Debate postponement news made it to my local paper website, and the comments have started flying. Only one other poster before me (I was about 220) mentioned the McCain suggestion of putting the McCain-Obama debate on the 2nd and “postponing” the Palin-Biden debate.

So I chimed in with support for that as a big reason why McCain made the otherwise inexplicable decision he made, and included the following – hope you enjoy.

* ** * ** * **

I can just see Tucker Bounds (or whoever) watching video of the Biden speech today, and then video of the Palin-Couric interview.

BOUNDS: Criminey! She’ll never be ready by Oct. 2nd. Any way you can put off the VP debate, John?

MCCAIN: Well, I’m not crazy about having a debate with Obama Friday, even though it’s supposed to be about Foreign Policy, there’s no way questions about this economic crisis won’t come up, and I’m quite frankly not ready to answer them. Hmmm … Obama called me this morning about some bipartisan statement or other, I said I’d get back to him.

BOUNDS: Maybe if you have to be somewhere else to be, to do something more important? (MAKES HANDQUOTES WHILE SAYING “MORE IMPORTANT”)

MCCAIN: Yeah, I can come up with something. And I won’t cancel the debate, I’ll just postpose it … to the night that had been scheduled for the VP debate!

BOUNDS: Brilliant!

MCCAIN: So, when will she be ready? When should we reschedule the VP debate for?

BOUNDS: By this measure? No earlier than Nov. 5th.

* ** * ** * ** * **

Feel free to edit, add in more characters, and more evil subplots.

24 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Dee (17:41:08) :

Really, the man is 72 , 10 years older than I am. I just mowed my very large yard to day (no riding mower for me) and I am pooped!! He has had malignant melanomas removed 4 times!!! He is just too old and too unwell to do anything to help this country!! And “she who must be obeyed” was TRAGIC in her interview with Couric. We are on a precipice here!! Electing these two will most definitely send us right over the edge.
—————————————-
Yep and yep.

The man is imploding. And she truly was beyond TRAGIC in that interview with Couric,

Couric asks for examples of “maverick” McCain’s regulation of Wall Street.

“I’ll find ya some and I’ll bring ‘em to ya.”

Unbelievable.

24 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Creature of Habit (18:08:23) :

I have never in my life hated McCain more than now. This is shocking, base and despicable. I can not believe he is going to seriously scare the shit out of this country with his “it’s THAT bad” tactic just for political gain. Karl Rove has struck a new low, and McCain is playing right along so that he comes out ‘the savior’.

And now Bush is calling Obama back to Washington? As if Obama needs to ‘be called home’ because he’s staying out having a good time?

Obama was so calm and Presidential….I hope he maintains a level head in all of this.
————————————-
Get this. On Greta on CNN Senator Brownnose tried to spin it that McCain was selfless (country before self!) by calling off his campaign to be Mr. Chips Goes to Washington (For a Day) to *selflessly* deal with THE CRISIS. While saying in so many words that Obama was *selfish* and political by not having thought of this or done this first himself! OMG. Obama was out doing his job running for President of the United States and preparing for the scheduled national debate on foreign policy (hey! REMEMBER we are AT WAR!) when he gets blindsided my this pure political grandstanding by McCain! Where was McCain in Washington on regulation AFTER the Keating 5 debacle! Where was there ever any leadership on this? But now some 48 hour meeting is going to heal the gang raped financial system of the nation?

We are through the looking glass people! We are really, really, really in a parallel Universe out of the creative staff of DC Comics on LSD.

24 09 2008
24 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

After today’s incredulous events, I am still in a state of stunned shock. First McCain pulling this irresponsible stunt for political gain, not giving a thought to the $5 million that Minnesota has shelled out for Friday’s debate (he better get his wife to pay this off for him), embarassing himself by being caught re Letterman, finding time to attend Clinton’s bash Thursday evening but not the Presidential debate, and finally to be subjected to that tiresome woman from Wasilla who is agony both to watch and to listen to (does she ever speak a rational sentence?), then the story in the National Enquirer (and yes, I do give it some credence). Brushing her insignifigance aside, has McCain forgotten that he lives in a democracy or has all pretense of this idea flown out the window? What next? Jackboots on the active-duty troops who will be deployed on American soil for protestor control (first time in over 100 years – see Army Times)?

24 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Oops…that was Greta on…FOX…

24 09 2008
Small Town Girl

You must all look at the Couric interview of Palin on youtube. This is the reason they want to delay the debates. She is like a deer in the headlights. Totally out of her depth. Completely baffled by the questions. Able to throw insults but not engage in meaningful discussion. She is OUT OF HER LEAGUE. It was almost painful to watch. I wonder if McCain did as poorly with Couric too? I’m telling you, it was scary to think this woman would be the VP. No wonder Colombian President Uribe looked at the pool photographer yesterday and seemed to telegraph, “Can someone get me out of here?!!!”

24 09 2008
Crust Scramble - SouthGA

Posting twice.

Obama accepts President Bush’s invitation. What a class act.

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/17551529/detail.html

24 09 2008
Char Broil Palin

I finally got to watch the Couric interview after just reading the transcripts. Palin made my stomach churn. “I’ll try to find ya some and I’ll bring ’em to ya,” in that snide voice makes me scream! How do people take her seriously. You can see the hamster wheels turning as she tries to recall what talking point goes with what question. Her body language, hand movements, the way her head tilts, etc. all scream “I am lying through my teeth!”

24 09 2008
GrayHairedGuyInDenver

I have followed AKM since Palin was picked as VP. Love it.
When I first started reading Mudflats I thought AKM was an old guy like me. Maybe Not?

I just registered because I want to put my two cents in. It bothers me to see people calling McCain a coward. He is a lot of things but coward is not one of them. Now I know that he over uses his POW experiences. But he did put his life on the line for Us. Something I did not do. I was so relieved when I went for my draft physical that my high blood pressure got me a 4Y status. Meaning that I did not have to go unless there was an all out war. This was 1965 and Vietnam was just starting to hit the news.

I have lost all respect for John McCain lately. He is not the same man he used to be.

One other thing I would like to say is don’t celebrate the demise of Sarah Palin just yet. I remember a man who lost the Presidential race then ran for governor of California and lost, and said after that “I promise you the press wouldn’t have Richard Nixon to kick around any more”. America would have been much better off if he had kept that promise.

24 09 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

It will be hard for McCain to try to take credit for whatever horrendous plan comes from Congress when Senator Dodd, Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi and others have been out front, along with various Republicans who are not McCain. Right now McCain is still in New York and won’t leave until tomorrow. He is going to get nailed for politicizing the crisis. I think the mainstream media is starting to wonder if McC is playing with all his marbles. I hear words like erratic, desperate, etc.

I think Bush calling both candidates to Washington helps Obama, since now there is no advantage to the McCain stunt. They’re down to a photo op with both candidates, and Obama doesn’t have to flip-flop or “follow” McCain.

24 09 2008
marksmyword

Okay, I just read all the posts and I’m still shaking my head. WTF??? Suspending his campaign and wants to postpone the debate? He needs to save the public the time and expense of an election and concede right now to Obama.

24 09 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

Reasons why McCain may not want to debate on Friday:

1. The revelation that Maliki wanted US troops out of Iraq in 2010 but Bush pushed it back to 2011 for U.S. domestic political reasons.
2. The economy: stupid. Or, “The economy is fundamentally sound.”
3. His campaign chair’s lobbying firm has been taking money from Freddie Mac until a month ago.
4. He knows Obama is going to raise the BIG problem of how to pay for the Iraq occupation ( $10.3 billion per month) after the $700 billion dollar giveaway.
5. He will have to answer for a party that has got the country bogged down in a terrible, unnecessary war, allowed New Orleans and the Gulf Coast to drown, and deregulated the country into an economic meltdown.

I read somewhere that he hasn’t been preparing for the debate. Maybe he figures now he can’t wing it with slogans. No one wants to hear the surge worked or we have to win in Iraq or whatever nonsense he would usually spout.

24 09 2008
Beyond the Beltway

Having worked for a member of Congress for 5 years, I can assure you that Senator McCain has no reason to suspend his campaign to go back to Washington. It’s a crude political tactic, based on the assumption that people are too ill-informed to realize it. And this comes from a former McCain contributor/voter!

For the record, the committees of jurisdiction are developing the legislation, in conjunction with the elected leadership of each party and officials of the Bush Administration. Once those parties reach an agreement, there probably will be party caucuses (given the magnitude of the legislation) to discuss the proposed legislation before it comes to the floor for a vote.

Senator McCain isn’t on any of the involved committees and he doesn’t hold an official position in the Republican hierarchy in the Senate. If he hasn’t been in Washington sitting in on the hearings or otherwise involved in the discussions, it’s absurd for him to show up on Friday (when most of the work on the bill will be finished).

It’s like his big show calling of the first night of the Republican Convention because of Hurricane Gustav. But where is he now? Even the Republican Governor of Louisiana (once talked about as a potential running mate) was steamed that Louisiana has been ignored after Gustav. And then there’s Hurricane Ike, which was far worse than Gustav. Not a peep from McCain about that.

What a dismal showing from a man who once was a well respected legislative leader.

24 09 2008
Mad Skillz, son

@ Gina
No prob! Glad I could help!

24 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Posting here.

Did anyone hear Senator Dodd say Obama has been in contact with him daily, when he hasn’t had a phone call from McShame?

How is it, McShame can’t contact the Chairman of the Finance Committee, but wants to suspend his campaign, and postpone the debate.

Just when you think McShame, couldn’t do anything more to make himself look like an idiot….

24 09 2008
futurexpat?

McCain and Palin deserve each other, but this country doesn’t deserve either of them!

I’ve been waiting for Olbermann on Letterman, and the cable just went out!

24 09 2008
strangelet (BORC BORC PALIN)

Bob Cesca at HuffPo has an entertaining post on McCain’s overall strategy.

24 09 2008
LilSugar

Well, there are 4-debates. 3-debates will be between the Presidential nominees and 1-debate with take place between the VP nominees. If McSame is able to get the first debate between the presidential nominees cancelled, it would leave only two debates for the presidential nominees. So, since the economy is in dire straits, the American people would rather hear a debate between the presidential nominees that Mc{Palin/Biden. So, McSame will cancel the debate between the VPs because he knows McPalin can’t win in the debate with Biden, and use that last debate between he and Obama. This is a ploy to make sure the American people don’t get a chance to hear McPalin make a fool of herself.

24 09 2008
shilo

if this is true we have a real bad crisis on our hands. Is McCain hidding something?

http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/draft-anybody-else-notice-anything.html

24 09 2008
mimi

There is a lot more going on here that we are not being told! The Alaska investigation thing is about to blow up in their face, their ratings are down, the gop is not happy with him, the press is finally not buying his load of crappola and palin makes a fool of herself every time she opens her mouth. We also have no clue what is going on for palin and her family in this mess and National Inquirer just did a big spread on the supposed affair palin had with the dudes business partner. All in all not a pretty week for the team. Add to that the fact that every time there was an attempt in congress to require oversight or regulations on the banking industry mccain voted no so it is a bit surprising that he is so outraged now. Now there is also some speculation about this health – the droopy stroked out looking eye.
Doesn’t it just feel like a continuation of the continuous assaults on reason by the bush admin. Cannot keep up and compute.

24 09 2008
mimi

I went to the bank today to cash a check (yeah, food is good) and talked with my lifetime banker for a bit – this woman I trust – only wrote responsible loans, etc. also told me 2 years ago to sell my house and cash out while I could – did I listen – of course not! But anyway, I told her I was there to collect my golden parachute since I had once owned a business and now thought I deserved it.

Her take on things – it pretty much doesn’t matter what they do – bail out or no bail out things will eventually settle down and correct. She said that housing loans are still available, especially first time homebuyer loans through rural housing programs and feddie mac and fanny mae, that indy mac was just fine, that the other large lenders still had money to lend and the crooks would be weeded out and sent away. That is the good news.

She has been the primary mortgage broker for this chain of banks for over 30 years so I trust her judgement – except I should have sold the house 2 years ago as she suggested. Anyway – she isn’t all concerned about a recession or depression or no loan availability if the wall st boys don’t get their golden parachutes.

I think the whole thing is an attempt to completely strip the american people of our wealth before bush leaves office and paulson is right in there with his hand out as he is connected big time to fannie mae, I believe it is. More information about this connection would be useful.

Are we having fun yet?

24 09 2008
mimi

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/paul-s23.shtml

Okay – here is the info on Paulson – his involvement is with goldman-sachs not freddie mac

Kind of lengthy but certainly makes sense in light of his proposals

24 09 2008
GreenLadyHere

Love the biting sarcasm – including “Game! Set! Match!” Since the TRUTH is NOT in him and he appears to get sick at the thought of being near it, WHY would anyone believe the “Country First” meme?

TRUTH be told, WE DON”T!!

NY Dem: Loved your 10 top reasons! I may use part of it in another post of mine! Good stuff! :>)

24 09 2008
Lnonblonde

If McCain is dead set on not showing up for the debate this Friday, it’s time he show the American people what good judgement he has by picking Sarah Palin to be his VP running mate. Let Palin and Biden debate THIS WEEK just like they will have to stand in for the President once elected if the event calls for it. The Presidential debate can happen next week as McCain desires so he can ” focus on the crisis.” Time for Palin to put up or SHUT UP.

24 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Linda in Virginia (17:41:59) :

Hey Deuce2 aka Axe Diesel

Loved the Rangel quote–thanks!
________________________________________________________________________You are so very welcome. I like to save clips like that I find on the worlds
greatest blog network. MUDFLATS!!

25 09 2008
Mark

haha it’s so funny to see McCain running for everything. What’s he going to ask for next postponing the election? I’m sure he could run a campaign and “work” in washington. I mean his campaign team does most of the labor right?

25 09 2008
Rosario Pipolo

Dont’ Forget Sarah Palin…

25 09 2008
rscme

Go get ’em girl. Did you see Letterman? It was hysterical.

25 09 2008
John Henry

I think this is the nail in the coffin:

After standing Letterman up by telling Letterman he needed to go back to Warshington to fix the economy John McCain is filmed getting his make-up touched up on Katie Couric. Letterman aired the footage during his show.

I know it seems petty but I think this is the ‘HW Bush looking at his watch during the 1992 debates’ moment. If he does not show up to the debates people will be saying, ‘So you can go get a manicure on CBS Evening News but you can’t come to the debates and tell the American people what your plans are.’

25 09 2008
rscme

I believe you are correct. The republicans in Washington want McCain there so that they can indeed credit him with something in the economic bailout. If he’s not in Washington, how can the Republicans mangle the facts to say McCain had some instrumental role in architecting a bailout?

25 09 2008
damyantig

I’ve been watching the drama played out, and the last lines sound prophetic. God save America if MacCain wins….

25 09 2008
Lauren

To all of the Obama lovers who left comments in this article:

I am not going to defend McCain’s decision to participate in the resolution of the bailout. I am not going to accuse Obama of acting in the best interest of our country by making a public appearance on Friday, after all, he is a well spoken, charismatic celebrity.

I think what this forum needs is a six month vacation in Russia immediately followed by six months in Iraq, only the best spas and resorts of course.

25 09 2008
ninemoonjupe

Hey, the way I see this, McCain just, literally, put himself in a lose-lose situation here.
If he ducks the debate, he is seen as being afraid of debate, questions, facing the nation without his handlers (boy have they done a mess of this).
If he goes now, it will appear as though he was dragged, pushed, whatever you chose to see this as, into something he did not want to go to. Sorta like dragging your little brother on a date because “Momma” (read the media and public) said you had to.
Lose-Lose situation, and the real irony? He did this to himself.

25 09 2008
herrskipper

Hey guys, cool down. Your patron saint of coiffure, Mr Oh!Bama! (to use Gerard Phillips’ phrase) will be always available for a photo-snap, with the Black-Eyed Peas, the Fantastic Five, or whichever celebrity junky for the next publicity shoot. Who knows? Maybe Oh!Bama! can send Bruce Springsteen to debate McCain (Brooce has been a gold plated lefty since the Reagan days; why hasn’t he been trotted out by the Dems? Bit too wrinkly, and no longer cool?).
How about Pink? She can sing her…..ahem…hits (bits?) after the debate, and after that she can sign up as the next US representative (spokeslefty?) at the next Doha round of talks. Hey Pink? Hey PINKK? Wake up girrllllllllllllll!
Your conservative Aussie friend
Skipper🙂

PS As the last post said, God save the US if McCain wins; God save the World if Oh!Bama! wins……………

25 09 2008
MJC

I wonder what McShame has up his sleeve for TODAY? Let me guess, the 3:00 p.m. meeting with Bush will become an all nighter, since we know Bush is in cahouts (sp?) with McCain, and then he will insist that both Candidates remain in Washington to personally oversee this debacle in Congress, resulting in a cancelation of the debate alltogether.

Wait to go McShame and Bushie. We know this is what your game plan has been all along! You want an excuse to cancel the Vice Presidential debates so all of America won’t be able to see your running mate make a fool of herself live and in person, and not edited!

25 09 2008
John Henry

Step 1. Cancel Debate
Step 2. Apply lipstick: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccains-5000-makeup-will_n_128973.html
Step 3. Kiss your ass goodbye

See ya!

25 09 2008
Strike Chipper Palin

@Lauren

Two words strike me in your post

‘Defend’ and ‘Accuse’

Those words have become the Republicans standards of living

Why all the defense and accusations? On either side, and shoving party affiliations aside, Americans just want to know who they are electing, I for one am tired of all the deception and hiding, a 1 hour television show, to satisfy the millions of people voting is not going to make or break the economic crisis. I feel very strongly John McCain could make an effort towards the American voters as well as his attempt to help out in the ‘crisis’ – even if he appeared from Washington via satellite. Letterman said it best last night, this whole thing smells and I’m apparently not the only one smelling it.

25 09 2008
Midlife Slices

THIS post proves beyond a shadow of a doubt how false and shortsighted the majority of your posts are. Obama has been dodging real questions for a year but McCain puts campaigning on the back burner for short time to try to buckle down and do something to help the majority of Americans and you spew THIS garbage??? Give me a break!!! It’s obvious to see that Obama DOES have plenty of time for a debate when the bulk of HIS votes on anything major have only been “present”. You are pitiful.

25 09 2008
Peter Migner

Perspectivies are interesting for sure> as I have followed the $$ crisis to some degree and I thought the other day before ever reading such a blog like this that, ” Both McCain and Obama need to go to washington and participate in resloving this crisis to show the American people what kind of leaders they are now in crisis. I am thankful for McCain getting off the trail to go back to do his elected role. Obama should do the same and then in a week they can both resume. Politics in action is NOW!!!

25 09 2008
Strike Chipper Palin

@midlife

More insult hurling

Who has missed how many votes?

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/

25 09 2008
Barry Lauterwasser

It’s funny to read all these posters that get on here to grind axes instead of offering insight, opinions and the like… Actually that seems to be the problem with most blogging… Nevertheless I get a kick out of it…

I’ve voted Republican since I was 18…and I’m 44. I made a baaaaad choice eight years ago, and again in 04… my opinion anyway… too lax on government oversight.

I’m fiscally conservative, and socially liberal… I believe in letting entrepreneurs have opportunities to expand our economy (rich or poor), and even helping those that have ideas but no backing…to get their ideas to market…it’s an investment in our country…but then we should take more of those profits and invest in our communities, lifting everyone up, educating all, and helping to keep all healthy…because if part of the whole suffers, the whole eventually goes with it…

So I’m at a crossroads… I’m about to vote for the O’Bama/Biden ticket… His VP selection pretty much sealed it for me… Joe Biden is very intelligent, highly skilled at negotiations, level-headed, and believes in the American Spirit of entrepreneurism and free markets, all while trying to maintain balance with social issues… I really really like the guy…

McCain appears to be just getting bad advice. He loves his country, the citizens, but has no idea how to run a political campaign (nor do I), but he’s old school, and is probably tempering a lot of his responses…He’s relying on people to make decisions about his appearances, and is getting some bad advice. Whomever told him to ditch the interview with Letterman should be canned…or at least put on envelope licking duty…

This Country can no longer afford to go “old school” and I believe anyway that Barack is in touch with the next generation…far better than Sen. McCain…and we’re the ones that are going to be leading the next twenty years of growth, and paving the way for our kids… I hate to say it, but I think Sen. McCain missed his opp by about 15 or 20 years…

Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians need to learn to communicate effectively without all the harsh rhetoric…and discuss our differences in a civil manner, and each HAS to be willing to move towards the middle… Pres. Clinton was great at that…now we see both sides becoming more polar towards one another, and that will be our undoing….

Peace

25 09 2008
Strike Chipper Palin

@Barry

Thank you so much for expressing a thoughtful, intelligent post. I couldn’t have said it any better. I too was a Republican turned Independent, jumped both ships for Obama/Biden this go round. It’s so much more about the issues that each represent than the petty back and forth barb slinging this campaign season has become.

I would love to see party lines dissolved and people vote with their heads and the information they’ve gathered about each candidate, but that’s living in a dream world! Until then, I’ll do my part to educate myself and vote for the team that represents my idea for ours and our childrens future. Just my opin….

25 09 2008
MJC

@ Barry,

I am in the same boat as you, and I agree with pretty much everything you have said, however please understand that this is a place where we can come to support each other, provide updates, disagree at times, and vent our fustrations as well.

I like how you think, so I hope you will consider sticking around.

25 09 2008
Midlife Slices

@striker
I love those kinds of responses. Oh, and did I mention I’m registered Democrat? *spit spat* phooey

25 09 2008
Strike Chipper Palin

@midlife

Awesome for you that you’re a registered voter, now get that bug out of your a** and get out and vote!

One way or the other – smiles

25 09 2008
Sam aka Blaster Commando Palin

Strike Chipper Palin – you are awesome! Thanks for answering two of the five folks that seem to take umbrage about the progressive views on this progressive blog: Lauren and Midlife Slices.

Sheesh, herrskipper, like Sarah! Palin! ain’t a celebrity among conservatives?

25 09 2008
Bell

I’m still having my debate-watching party! McCain can’t suspend all the good times. Like how much I was looking forward to the debate. What about the undecided folks?

How is one of the Keating five going to be the string that pulls the economic crisis together?

This changes all the rules of the drinking games that surround this rare occasion.

Even G.W. could debate and be president at the same time.

25 09 2008
capejasmine

Well, Obama is getting called to the wood shed. He didn’t want to return to Washington, because he knows his hands are dirty in this debacle. He has a lot to answer for, as do many in Congress, on this issue. He right behind Clinton , was 2nd for getting money from the Fanny Mae’s and Freddie Macs execs. This mess started at it’s inception back when FDR was President, and created this.

For years, Mr. McCain has been warning, and trying to put a stop to this, and the democrats stopped him at every turn, and before that…the republicans, when they had control. Now it’s out of control.

Call Mr. McCain old, but I guarantee this, to all those who think that 70’s are old. Your turn will come one day, and I guarantedd you won’t feel old, act old, or be old. It’s a sad day when we take the human spirit, and toss it into the garabage as old, and useless. This coming from people who’s mantra is caring about others.

If old is old, wasn’t it Biden that reminded us , that it was FDR on tv in 1929, addressing the nation, as the President? Ummmm….Mr. Biden would have been a mere toddler, when FDR died, and FDR didn’t become President, til 1932. Also…..tv? I don’t believe a lot of households back then had tv’s….and being that Joe portrays himself as a blue collar workers son, he definitely couldn’t have afforded one back then.

25 09 2008
marketplaceidols

Haha– “Why, why do you hate your country, Obama?”
Everything that isn’t McCain is suddenly non-patriotic. McCain needs to learn to McMultitask….

25 09 2008
alangerling

See, Obama has to continue to add to his experience that qualifies him for President of the US, namely running a campaign. Heaven forbid he do the job Illinois elected him for, you know, Senator and all. This means doing things like working on legislation! While it’s nice to say that the President needs to deal with several things at the same time, McCain and Obama aren’t President yet! They’re Senators. If I’m not mistaken, the debate about how to handle this crisis is happening in Congress, not on the campaign trail. The 700 billion dollar bill that is being debated in Congress will either pass or not pass before the election. What we need are hardworking members of our legislature to hammer our a bill that is best for our country, not showboating politicians more worried about their personal careers than their country. McCain is doing exactly what he did when he recommended the surge at the beginning of his campaign. He’s doing the job Arizona elected him to first, and if and when he becomes President, he’ll do that job. In other words, he’s putting his country first. Sound familiar?

25 09 2008
nomadflavor

So McCain is up tohis old tricks of trying to stay-off the inevitable, and look like a leader in Washington in a room of leaders who dug the hole in the first place.

25 09 2008
ck

Senator McCain has missed more votes in this Congress than any other Senator. He has missed 65% of the votes he is paid to make.

All of a sudden he is going to solve this mess, he is not even on the banking committee and those who are have said they don’t want him there today…McCain is going to solve the economy on Friday night.

Give me a break and sell me a Bridge to…

Stop the lies.

25 09 2008
Lauren

@Sam AKA Blaster Commando Palin (WHATEVER THAT MEANS???)

Umbrage? This forum/blog is hardly worthy.

25 09 2008
Strike Chipper Palin

@capejasmine

I hate to break it to you but there are other sources of information than FOX news, your post sounds exactly like it came right from their daily rants about what villians the Democrats are!

May I remind you that it was just brought to light that “Mr. McCain” being the honorable man you presume him to be, failed to disclose to the American people that his own Rick Davis has been taking $$$$ from Freddie for years just so they could have access to Mr. McHonesty. Receiving money right up until a couple weeks ago, seems the Republicans hands are a little greasy too…and other than Fox Noise rants, I’ve read quite to the contrary that Mr. McEconomicHero has been warning everyone for ‘years’ about our economic troubles.

With all due respect and with some investigation you’ll find he was as much, if not more, of the problem than the Democrats you so readily blame. Google, it’s a wonderful place to start hunting ‘facts’!

25 09 2008
Frances Dale

thank you ck….just about to post same thing

the reason mudflats has been such a great blog is that there is a very civil tone on this site..with accurate information and not rumors….if anyone wants to defend or attack a candidate’s position or record, it should be backed up with facts,not rancor…

25 09 2008
Mark

McCain has now made his 2nd preposterous decision as a presidential candidate. He’s decided to postpone a debate, thus preventing Palin from debating – and is now attempting to be the ‘reformer’.

Well, let’s let him be the ‘reformer’. I’d love to see how he ‘reforms’ Congress. Every single syllable he utters from her on in should be parsed as if he were president. If he stumbles AT ALL. If he flip-flops at all from his previous voting record or strays one nanometer from what he’s said on the campaign trail, it should be a warning to each and every voter that the man is NOT QUALIFIED to be president.

So, let’s watch his every move and call him on it. I guarantee it won’t be difficult.

25 09 2008
Strike Chipper Palin

Back to the topic at hand – I still find the most revelation in what Letterman said last night – Democrats and Republicans alike agree “something smells” about this campaign-on-hold deal. Adding it seems way too suspicious that now the VP debate is slated to be ‘rescheduled’. Voters are fed up with games.

There is absolutely no reason, both Obama and McCain can not fulfill their DC duties and fly out for a couple hours to appease the American voting public with a little debate. Not to mention all the money that’s been invested in preparing for this event. This is no time to screw with the voters, they are watching intently.

25 09 2008
steadycat

It seems that McCain neglected to mention that Obama had called him earlier and had been talking to several key people in Congress. He had recommended to McCain that they become a united force in getting through this dilema. McCain then asked Obama if he could cancel the debates. Obama said no. McCain and Obama’s people were working together on the statements they would present (together) to the American public – as per Obama’s suggestion. McCain did a sneaky. He got on TV and announced (by himself) that he had talked to Obama (taking the credit) and he also announced he would not be attending the debates. The Obama camp expected a bit more honesty and decency from McCain – Mr. steal credit that doesn’t belong to you and run out on the debates while giving the soundbites that Obama should do the same. *inhales*

25 09 2008
sexywhispers

Well….since Palin wowed them at the meeting of the UN with her incredible good looks…everything will be OK! We dont really need an economy right? I under estimated her “experience.”

I hope they dont cancel or postpone the debates. After all, it seems like the 700 BILLION dollar bailout is going to happen…whats to discuss?

25 09 2008
griff1955

What nobody is willing to say, but it is the truth, even if jesus christ, budda or mohammed were here on earth today, they can’t fix the problems McCain, Bush and the rest of the republicans have gotten us into. Senator Obama has the plan and the ability to solve the economy and all the other problems our nation is facing. He is the true Savior who can and will turn our nation around and stop raping the average evryday common American. We have to get those who have yet to make up thier mind to see the truth and get behind the only man who will save our country.

25 09 2008
disgustedfemale

Help I have fallen down in the middle of a scary sitcom and cant get out!

Does anyone else think it is funny that after McCain said he was going to Wash and wanted debates delayed, then Obama said no they will go on, and then all of a sudden bush calls and wants BOTH of them.

Really have heard several congress people, franks, dodd, etc, say the plan was progressing great WITHOUT McCain or Obama there. So what happened that McCain all of a sudden feels he MUST be there?

We are not that stupid.
We have watched football…we all know what a “hail mary pass” is

25 09 2008
unastronaut

I tried to walk and chew gum once. I bit my tongue. Senator McCain is right, the president shouldn’t multi-task. Look what happened to the economy the last time a president tried to multi-task.

25 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

AKM you called it: Will McCain somehow, magically, get credited with brokering a compromise that will solve the economic woes of the nation?

my thoughts: the malarkey has no bounds in mccain camp……..

stillHARDrock palin

25 09 2008
frodo441

maybe John Mccain should just send in the “Palin Fagong”….

25 09 2008
G

Well, apparently, Congress has an agreement on the bailout…..

I like the conspirancy theory that McCain had to deal with his health or take a nap.

25 09 2008
R

CBS News reported this morning that John McCain suspended his campaign because Henry Paulson asked for his help. McCain is now the “leader of the Republican party and has long been the one to sway votes and work across party lines. They didn’t have the votes for it to pass as written. There wasn’t even a handful of Republicans on board. There is disagreement within the party. Many are saying “No bailout”, mostly the libertarian leaning republicans. (like myself)😉

As for McCain being afraid to debate my lackluster, intellectually and physically absent senator from Illinois on foreign policy, that is a joke. Obama has refused offers for townhall debates throughout the campaign. Only now, IF McCain doesn’t show, BHO is offering to do a townhall format. If he does, I hope the subject matter stays the same. Foreign policy. I’ll have the popcorn ready, it could be comedy gold.

Even Bill Clinton agrees McCain did the right thing. (He said so this morning)

Also, in case you missed it, McCain addressed the financial crisis this morning at Pres. Clinton’s event. Mr. Obama talked about malaria…of course via satellite. That’s my senator. Signing autographs when congress is trying to draft the largest piece of legislation since medicare; and the biggest financial crisis since the great depression.
A “joint statement” would have been meaningless empty words.

On Obama consulting and being in touch throughout this crisis…yeah, he has been consulting-with the very people who helped to cause this mess.
Not all of it, it took many, from Washington with their forcing banks to give loans to people who could not pay them back, to greed on Wall Street.
The people with whom he is consulting have blocked reforms for years that could have stopped this problem.

Please research the topics before you post opinions as fact.

25 09 2008
Alexander Rose

Ah… I knew this was coming.

Fair, hold things off for a bit so the deal can get done… everyone realizes how important it is.

But that shouldn’t have to require a total shutdown. Let’s get real… even though to most Republicans, this deal has to make their stomach hurt (it should make anyone’s stomach hurt who is a fan of American capitalism) all McCain has to do is say ‘boo’ and they’ll jump on board… they have a lot of incentive to do so (especially if he becomes President).

As we’ve already learned… that didn’t take very long. So while he may have done the ‘right’ thing going back to Washington, he didn’t need to ‘suspend’ the campaign and pull out of the debates (and announce such on television) to do so. From a logistic standpoint, both candidates could have pulled off both things at the same time. Simple multitasking… everyone has to do it everyday.

I’ll use Slick Willie (since you brought him up) as an example for the rest of my point. Of course he thought McCain was doing the right thing because (lest we forget) the beginning steps that inevitably lead to this meltdown started while he was President. I love Slick but as many Republicans are quick to point out, this in a lot of ways is his mess we’re cleaning up now. Not that McCain & Co. (and to the same degree Obama & Co.) aren’t culpable either… as a libertarian Republican, I’m sure you are probably a deregulation junkie like the rest of them not taking into account that not everyone will play by the unspoken rules of business if no one is going to make them.

As you’ve pointed out, Obama & Co. are equally responsible because a lot of his friends blocked those reforms. But you can’t tell me with a straight face that your boy McCain was for them can you? Thought so…

Bottom line is all of our politicians are trying to look like Monday morning quarterbacks on this deal because the writing has been on the walls for years but as long as Wall Street money was lining their campaigns, they looked the other way. Now, it’s going to be us footing the bill and putting this country feet first into socialism.

http://thehedonistperspective.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/silly-rabbit-tricks-are-for-kids-part-two/

25 09 2008
griff1955

In response to Alex–
President Clinton is the greatest President this country has seen since President Kennedy. How can you say he started this mess or Senator Obama is responsible for this mess. It was a republican congress who changed all the regulations and allowed this fiasco to start. What do you suggest we do now, let the families who are losing thier homes join the ranks of the homeless who are living in thier cars or in cardboard boxes. As I said earlier, even if jesus christ, budda or mohammed came back today, there is nothing they could do to fix the mess were in. The plan Senator Obama has WILL SAVE our economy and our country. The republicans have ruled long enough and over an 8 year period, they have taken us to war and placed every working american in financial jepordy so the rich can become richer.

25 09 2008
nswfm

Paulson just didn’t have a clue (too good not to post the entire thing)
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24399961-23850,00.html

Anatole Kaletsky | September 25, 2008
THE Emperor has no clothes. If you want to know why American capitalism is on the brink of disaster, but also want to understand what will save it, then log on to the C-Span congressional website and watch the interrogations of Henry Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary, by the Senate and House banking committees.

Until last week, I was in a minority of one in arguing that Mr Paulson was personally responsible for suddenly turning the painful but manageable credit crunch that had been grinding away 18 months in the background of the US economy into a global catastrophe. Mr Paulson’s appearances on Capitol Hill, marked by the characteristic Bush-era combination of arrogance and incompetence, are turning my once-outlandish view into conventional wisdom: Henry Paulson is to finance what Donald Rumsfeld was to military strategy, Dick Cheney to geopolitics and Michael Chertoff to flood defence.

Mr Paulson may be a former chairman of Goldman Sachs, but as US Treasury Secretary he does not know what he is doing. His recent blunders, starting with the “rescue” of Fannie Mae, have triggered unintended consequences around the world, resulting in the death-spiral of financial values. But last Friday Mr Paulson outdid even these Rumsfeldian achievements, when he demanded $700 billion from Congress for a “comprehensive and fundamental” solution to the global financial crisis, without apparently having any idea of what he would actually do.

The good news – before I return to the perils of Mr Paulson – is that his blunders no longer matter very much. There will still be a huge US government bank bailout, which will probably avert a disastrous slump in the US and global economies. But because Mr Paulson has lost the political initiative, this bailout will now be led by the Democratic leadership in Congress and will be structured around its priorities – relief from mortgage foreclosures, restrictions on bankers’ pay and big government shareholdings in US banks. For President Bush it is a disaster, dashing his last faint hope of having a tangible achievement to his name before he leaves office.

How did things come to such a pass? When Mr Paulson announced his $700 billion “plan” last Friday, everybody in the financial world (myself included) heaved a sigh of relief. Finally, it seemed, the US Government was going to do whatever it takes to stabilise the world financial system. The universal assumption was that Mr Paulson would present a detailed plan of action over the weekend, putting a safety net under the value of homes, mortgages and related assets.

Yet all that appeared by Saturday evening was a three-page legislative outline, with no hint of the mechanisms to be used. The only substantive clause in the draft was a swaggering demand for untrammelled power: “Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to this Act are non-reviewable and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.”

When further details of the Paulson plan failed to appear on Sunday it was assumed that the details were being untangled in late-night political negotiations. When there was still no plan on Monday, the view was that Mr Paulson must be holding back the details for his testimony to the Senate Banking Committee the following day. But then, to everyone’s astonishment, Mr Paulson turned up to the committee on Tuesday morning with only the briefest opening statement, which simply repeated what he had already said the week before: the sky was falling and the only way to stop it was to give him authority over $700 billion in public money, to be spent in unspecified ways.

And suddenly the sky did fall down – not on the world economy, but on Mr Paulson. Consider the reactions from American politicians, including Republicans: “Stunning and unprecedented in its lack of detail”… “a $700 billion blank cheque to Wall Street”… “neither workable nor comprehensive”… “foolish waste of massive taxpayer funds”… “eerily similar to the rush to war in Iraq”. Best of all was John McCain’s comment: “When we’re talking about a trillion dollars of taxpayer money, ‘trust me’ just isn’t good enough.”

At first, nobody could quite believe Mr Paulson was incompetent. Was it really possible that the Treasury Secretary had no idea of what to do with this unprecedented financial firepower? Perhaps his silence on crucial issues such as what he would pay for the banks’ “troubled assets” was just a tactical ruse.

But as the cross-examination rolled on, and Mr Paulson just waffled – “we will ask experts to advise us”, “we will get the best and brightest financiers to suggest ideas” – the terrible truth dawned. There was no such thing as a Paulson plan. Not only did Mr Paulson not know what he was doing. He did not know what he was talking about. When pressed to offer at least some basic principles for his rescue, Mr Paulson had no answers. When challenged about limits to executive remuneration and taxpayer stakes in future profits of participating banks, he brusquely rejected all such proposals – on the amazing ground that they might discourage some of the stronger banks from taking advantage of government support!

Could he really be so clueless? Surely not. Why, then, has Mr Paulson failed? His inability to think seriously about solutions to the present financial crisis probably has deep ideological roots. Just as Mr Rumsfeld could simply not believe that US foreign policy might be misguided, Mr Paulson simply cannot believe that markets can be fundamentally wrong. He therefore cannot imagine, for example, that government judgments about the value of bank securities may, in some circumstances, reflect economic realities more accurately than market prices. Since some such recognition of market failure is fundamental to any understanding of banking crises, it is not surprising that Mr Paulson finds it difficult to come up with a credible solution.

The ideological pendulum is now swinging but what is needed to avoid future crises is not necessarily more regulation. It is better-quality regulation, managed by people who understand and respect markets but do not worship them. Markets are usually right, but sometimes they are dangerously wrong – and they need to be managed with decisive and competent government intervention.

The people who do not understand the role of government should not be regulating markets any more than they should be fighting wars or managing flood defences. P.J.O’Rourke, the conservative writer, once remarked: “The Republicans are a party that says government doesn’t work – and then get elected and prove it.” This should be the epitaph for the Bush Administration – and Mr Paulson.

My comment is McCain/Palin is just as nekkid.

25 09 2008
Alexander Rose

griff:

That’s the kind of stuff that ‘sounds’ good but isn’t grounded in reality. I never said Clinton was a terrible President or that he was wholly responsible. I think (on the whole) Slick was a fantastic President, who has shined even brighter given the last eight years we’ve gone through.

That doesn’t mean he hands are entirely clean… he is a politician after all. Sure, he was President with a largely Republican controlled congress but you can’t tell me with a straight face that no one knew what was coming. That, all of a sudden, everyone forgot what happened with the S & L scandal (read up on it… a lot of parallels to now). No… our politicians (Clinton and the democrats included… hate to burst your bubble) allowed these guys to get greedy because there was a lot of incentive for them to do so.

Case in point for Clinton… who one of his biggest backers for his save the world Global Initiative? None other than Rupert Murdoch. Who was one of the people deregulation benefit the most? I think you see where this is going…

P.S.: While I want to believe you when you say Obama will fix the economy (I mean… I am voting for the guy) it’s just not correct. Between this bailout (that will eventually pass) and the debt we already have, it’s going to take years before we see the black. Hopefully if he wins, he can get us back on the right track but by no means is he a panacea for this mess.

25 09 2008
SMR

From David Letterman:

Top Ten Questions People Are Asking the John McCain Campaign
Top Ten

“I just contributed to your campaign — how do I get a refund?”

“It’s Sarah Palin — does this mean I’m Pars’dent?”

“Can’t you solve this by selling some of your homes?”

“Hi, this is Clay Aiken. Is McCain single?”

“Do you still think the fundamentals of our economy are strong, genius?”

“Are you doing all this just to get out of going on Letterman?”

“What would Matlock do?”

“Hillary here — my schedule is free Friday night”

“Is this just an excuse to catch up on napping?”

“This is President Bush — what’s all this trouble with the economy?”

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27 09 2008
Intrigued

People, get some clues:

* NO politician will be a “savior” for this country. If you believe that you are a FOOL.

* Paulson is not stupid. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing! We are witnessing LIVE the DESTRUCTION OF THE MIDDLE CLASS which has been planned for a long time. Please see Ron Paul’s comments…..

* BOTH parties are responsible for this mess: Clinton (D), Phil Gramm (R), Obama (D), H. Clinton (D), Kerry (D), GWB (R), Paulson (R). Stop holding double standards and ONLY pointing out what the “other guys” have done and ignoring the same offenses committed by those in your own party. That is the TRUE MARK OF A SHEEP!!!

27 09 2008
akmuckraker

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