Palin Investigation vs. Palin Investigation. The Basics.

23 09 2008

You may be hearing about how Sarah Palin has decided to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation. Most people who haven’t been following the ins and outs of this whole sordid affair, may think that this is a good thing. They may think she’s had a change of heart. They may have heard something about another investigation, but believe it to be ‘partisan’ and a Democratic witch hunt. Well, it’s time to leave the witch hunting to the pastor who prayed her into the governor’s mansion, and explain exactly what’ s going on with these two, very different, investigations. Here are the basics:

Investigation #1: The Alaska State Legislature/The Legislative Council

First, it’s important to know that the investigative powers of the Legislature are plenary. This means they can investigate anything they want, whenever they want, if they vote to do it. Period. This investigation began with a unanimous vote of 8 Republicans and 4 Democrats. This group unanimously chose Democrat Hollis French to direct and organize the investigation because he was the right person for the job, and they all agreed. He recruited former Alaska prosecutor Stephen Branchflower who was living out of state, to come back to do the investigation. The council unanimously approved him too, because he’s very very good, and very very impartial. Otherwise, the vote wouldn’t have been unanimous, would it?

Palin herself supported this investigation and pledged to cooperate fully….until August 29th, the day she was tapped by John McCain as his VP pick. At this point, the investigation mysteriously became ‘political’, ‘partisan’ and a witch hunt.

The storm rages, and Branchflower soldiers on, conducting interviews, and preparing a report. The report will be finished by October 10th. Have you marked your calendar? I have.

Investigation #2: The Personnel Board

The personnel board is made up of three people, all Republicans, all governor-appointed, and all working for Palin. She can fire them at any time.

The McCain campaign hoped that after they started calling the first investigation “tainted”, the State Legislature would drop the ball. Palin and her newly acquired legal staff attempted to end the Legislative investigation, and begin an investigation by the aforementioned Personnel Board.

For this board to begin an investigation, there first had to be a complaint filed against Palin. So, Palin filed a complaint…..against herself. Later, she asked that this complaint be dismissed stating it was groundless. Now she’s changed her mind and says she will cooperate with the board that she asked to investigate her.

I promised the basics, and there they are. There are MANY subplots, and twists to the Troopergate story. I’ve tried to tease these out in other posts and will continue to do so in the future. So, as tempted as I am to go on, I won’t.

The bottom line:

Bipartisan, unanimously endorsed, Palin-sanctioned investigation by the Alaska State Legislature

vs.

Republican, 3-member board, governor appointed, working directly for Palin, McCain sanctioned investigation.

You make the call.


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323 responses

23 09 2008
Laura

The question is: Why

My answer: cover to intimidate witnesses.
Note: the cooepration was announced AFTER Branchflower announced he would release a report, on time, even though Palin’s witnesses didn’t honor the subpoenas. With the cover of an “independent investigation” but will interview witnesses. Anyone who has watched Law & Order knows there are interviews and there are interviews, and intervies can elicit information, or they can intimidate, influence, suggest, etc, all without any fingerprints.

23 09 2008
TheraP

Uh…. democracy vs dictatorship.

First one is democracy in action.

Second is dictatorship. (which wants to swallow the democratic option)

23 09 2008
TheraP

I do love these little snowflakes!

23 09 2008
macaro

i love the irony of the mccain campaign hiring and naming a group of people to defend Palin, The Truth Squad.

23 09 2008
A Nana from Alaska

Nice summary, Mudflats!!

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Just a thought: can you imagine that SWWNBN was your teenager, living in your house and behaving this way? Can we all scream INTERVENTION?

23 09 2008
Gryphen

Well done Muckraker.

You continue to do an excellent job of cutting through the cloud of confusion thrown up by the McCain campaign and our lazy media to bring out the real truth for your readers to see for themselves.

23 09 2008
MJC

McCain Camp Lawyer Illegally Advising In Alaska; Palin Attorney General In Hiding

“The pickle O’Callaghan’s wagging tongue has gotten its owner into is that, pursuant to Alaska Statute 8.08.230, a person who is not a member of the Alaska Bar who while physically present in Alaska “engages in the practice of law” is guilty of a class A misdemeanor. And in Alaska the “practice of law” includes “rendering legal consultation or advice.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donald-craig-mitchell/mccain-camp-lawyer-illega_b_128663.html

***I posted this on the other thread.

23 09 2008
Earmark Ulu Palin

Macaro,
Having “truth” in the name of a movement/organization is like have “People’s Democratic Republic” in a country’s name–the official name is the only way that the concept exists!

23 09 2008
ds55

Do they think we’re not paying attention? Do they think they can get away with all this?

23 09 2008
MJC

Yes, they do.

23 09 2008
Lee

WOW!

Alaska does not deserve this. They are hosting a political circus.

I bet you will be as glad as we will in the lower 48 when the circus is over and the clowns have left the state?

23 09 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

TheraP (14:41:38) :

I do love these little snowflakes!
And that about sums it up.

23 09 2008
C

C aka Filter Skate Palin 😀

—–

Ok, so I just caught up with these last two post.

First of all: WTF about the press being banned from her meetings with heads of state?? That is seriously incredulous! The McCain-Palin ticket is just a farce! I could go on here, but that would just be a waste of my time.

Secondly: Thanks for explaining all of this a bit more. Between all the media outlets I check everyday, your posts actually really do help us make sense of it all.

Go Obama-Biden ’08!!

23 09 2008
Grace RN NJ

We need a scorecard to keep abreast of all the clowns out there..

enjoy this!

23 09 2008
Tom from PA

So how important was the last Conressional election?
Hopefully, it will never come down to this, however, at last count Obama had a 30 electoral vote lead over McCain in the very committed states. If one factors in the tossups and have them go the way they are currently tilting, Obama’s lead shrinks to 8 electoral votes. New Hampshire (4 votes) is the most susceptible Obama state to turn. I f that were to happen, the vote would be tie, sending the decision for president to the House of Representatives and the decision for Vice President to the Senate.
So again, how important was that last congressional election?

23 09 2008
Bobg

This is off topic but this is so important that everyone must see this and realize what this can do to us.

This one sentence is in the bailout legislation. Watch out America; now the ride gets hairier.

“Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.”

23 09 2008
Halcrow

Dang it, AKM, you certainly know how exquisitely phrase difficult questions.

It’s time again to put in the yellow wellies, grab the cleaver, and head out to get an unbiased answer.

Shoot, you’re sure taking a toll on my livestock. Whenever I’ve got to go to the guts of the matter and rummage through the entrails of another freshly slaughtered sheep, that’s my flock down by one more animal.

Damn it, Sarah. It’s not only the wolves and the polar bears whose numbers you are responsible for diminishing.

23 09 2008
Cal Al

Slam!

“In the Poynter Institute’s online media forum, Jay Rosen asked, “At what point does an extreme attempt to de-legitimate the press actually de-legitimate the candidate … in the eyes of the press?” Perhaps this is that point.”

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/09/23/ap-palin-abuses-power-in-abuse-of-power-inquiry.aspx

23 09 2008
richie

this would be funny if it wasn’t true and showed such bad judgment on the part of palin and the mccain camp. akm, thanks for your tireless reporting on this issue. we can only hope that the msm will pick up on the nuances of this situation and that palin’s actions in troopergate will come back to haunt her political career…

23 09 2008
NoCalGal

UN BELIEVABLE.. thank you AKM.. succinct rendition.

Democracy v dictatorship- well said. This financial bailout is more of that dictatorship in action… no oversight by courts or congress and all the power in one man’s hands.. does NOT pass the smell test!

If the taxpayers are going to pay- either when it all collapses or when there is a bailout- I would rather have the safeguards in place. There is no advantage for the taxpayeres to rush into this (remember Iraq war? DIRE! DREADFUL! DANGER DANGER! TRUST US! WE NEED THIS RUGHT AWAY… heard it before. It was a lie then, it is a lie now…)

I look forward to Alaska impeaching this woman! She is more of the same- the next generation of this completely out of control new con revisioning of the world.. and it is not a pretty place.

Ladies, gentlemen- I think it is time for us to throw the tea in the harbor again. ENOUGH is ENOUGH!

23 09 2008
Sirius

It is actually the upcoming election that is important; a tie will be dresolved by the newly elected Congresspersons.

23 09 2008
kellygrrrl

@macaro

Orwell Lives!!!

if McCain wins
he will name the klown Tucker Bounds head of the Truth Ministry

23 09 2008
Sirius

*resolved*

23 09 2008
kellygrrrl

@NoCalGal – Tea in the Harbor would be a great idea
since we are no experiencing TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

23 09 2008
S in CA

Thanks for the recap, AKM!

23 09 2008
gary

Latest version of Palin rhymes (new stanzas)

The Nomination of Sarah P.
(with apologies to Robert W. Service “The Cremation of Sam McGee”)

There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By Republicans seeking votes;
The campaign trails have their secret tales —
Indeed their own “Deep Throats.”
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night in the hall in old St. Paul:
They opted for Sarah P.

Now John McCain, of Vietnam fame, was handed his hat by the Bushes.
His gang changed its game, became McSame — and fought to save their tushes.
Exxon John was shuffling on, his campaign was as dull as Nebraska.
For Hillary’s votes, they donned fur coats and off they flew to Alaska.

The economy tanks, while old John banks — on beer and big cuts in taxation.
As the gas price soars, corporate whores are buying and selling the nation.
Georgia’s got oil, attractive spoil; John’s guy knocks down hefty fee.
They need to look clean, know what I mean? Voilà: there she is, Sarah P!

“We’ve got her!” they cried, “big win for our side — a babe who hunts and fishes!”
The right wing crew confirms it’s true, the gal of all their wishes.
They shivered and shook, took one more quick look, and snuck her to Arizona.
Karl Rove assays “She’s got ‘God, guns, and gays,’ you’ve found the ideal persona!”

John’s of an age. At his advanced stage he can’t remember his houses.
The moola is Cindy’s, that pisses the Indies. Perhaps he’s forgotten his spouses!
Up in Alaska no one’ll ask ya how many houses or just how few.
Freezing weather? Palins huddle together in their snuggly exurban igloo.

John McCain fiercely dreams he’s John Wayne — he wants to nuke Iran.
With Sarah Palin, John aint failin’ his crusade on Islamastan.
“Shia and Sunni, they’re both kind of loony,” neither one can tell them apart.
“Just kill ‘em all fast, with a nuclear blast — plus elitists who think they’re so smart!”

John used to say, in that bellicose way, “First priority: getting Al Qaida.
We need a guy of experienced eye – or a beauty queen snowmobile rider.”
Sarah P. on Iraq is not deep – but she never asked to be veep.
It was McCain, war on his brain, making the choice in his sleep.

Is there a scandal? One John can’t handle? You’ve heard of troopergate.
Sarah loves sister Palin, so she’ll give her ex a flailin’. An independent state?
“Let’s break away from the old USA, and the army of occupation.
Oil drilling is fine, as long as it’s mine, to hell with your forty-eight nation!”

What now GOP, you oil oli-GOP-oly? Signs are that you’re ailin’.
Swift boats are sunk, no thoughts are thunk, just a family soap with Palin!
Asleep at the wheel, John’s lost his feel, the party sure is sinking.
But Sarah’s young, with a silver tongue, let’s hear it for unthinking!

Her style: naughty librarian. Talk: libertarian. But are things what they seem?
She’d ban some books, belies her looks, plays for the GOP team.
Not a librarian, not libertarian, she’s a censoring barracuda.
She knows Jesus will do as she pleases; shut up with your crap about Buddha!

God’s will, Sarah knows, is to drill; she’s privy to His plan.
At end of days the good Lord pays – did you say Taliban?
“Pray away the gay” – her church says today. Alaska’s a “refuge state.”
When rapture comes, her Christian chums throng Nome’s pearly gate.

“Country first”: it’s well rehearsed, at the post-disaster convention.
She’ll be a heartbeat away from holding sway– watch your hypertension.
Creation’s in for guv Palin, and choice she’ll surely ban.
And get this Pentecostal threat: no sex ed in Alaskastan.

There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By Republicans seeking votes;
The campaign trails have their secret tales —
Indeed their own “Deep Throats.”
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night in the hall in old St.Paul:
They opted for Sarah P.

(clap clap clap!) That’s great! AKM

September 3-, 2008

23 09 2008
Anon

Thank you, AKM, for this clear explanation and recap. I really appreciate it.

So her 3 person Personnel board thingie being reactivated is just another cover-up attempt, and all those people on the committee are hired/fired by her.

I would think that 3-P thingie being reactivated just draws attention to her Legislative investigation problems; in other words, it just makes her look worse from a PR standpoint, to have two investigations instead of one. But what do I know? I’m just an American citizen.

23 09 2008
Deep Blue in VA

Does anyone agree that that the current McCain/Palin strategy could possibly backfire? It seems so patently absurd that the legislative investigation could be called a partisan witch hunt. They must be hoping people aren’t paying attention to the details. But it seems some number of people are!

23 09 2008
Deep Blue in VA

And – nice Palin rhymes, Gary!

23 09 2008
Jerachiron

Now they have blank slate Sarah Doolittle Palin meeting heads of state. Now she has foriegn policy experience.

23 09 2008
Cal Al

Interesting.

No UN Palin news on the NYtimes online. None in the political section either.

Is the MSM finally rebelling?

I am off to check other rags

23 09 2008
marksmyword

After today’s stunt (not allowing the press access to Miss Sarah), I hope the public realizes that these people are not going to willingly cooperate in any type of investigation. I knew something was up when the campaign announced she was going to cooperate in the investigation, but not the one that counts.

I’m not able…

23 09 2008
marksmyword

Yea, I noticed there was no coverage of Miss Sarah on ABC tonight. Maybe they really did borrow Hillary’s pair…

23 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Gary, your poems are fabulous! Thank you for the smiles they give me.

23 09 2008
Bill in Chicago

We love you mudflats. Main page of kos again today. You’re a star, friend. People are depending on you for the unvarnished truth, and you’re coming through like lightning. 10 stars out of 10.

23 09 2008
Halcrow

Does it matter? She’s been annointed. Read it and weep.

Prominent evangelical “anoints” Sarah Palin as Biblical prophet

“A prominent evangelical figure in the U.S. this week said Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin is a modern-day incarnation of the Biblical prophet, Deborah – primed to miraculously slay her nation’s enemies on the battlefield.

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/thesearch/archive/2008/09/12/prominent-evangelical-anoints-sarah-palin-as-biblical-prophet.aspx

Writing in his influential magazine, Charisma, editor J. Lee Grady likened the 44-year-old Alaskan governor to Deborah, the Old Testament prophet “who rallied God’s people to victory at a time when ancient Israel was being terrorized by foreign invaders.”

And, if it’s more you need:

Sarah Palin: Religious views on Iraq war, pipelines, end of world and more

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/thesearch/archive/2008/09/05/sarah-palin-her-religion.aspx

23 09 2008
Doremus Jessup

Why are we letting her skate by? As an Alaskan I am SICK & TIRED of this shit!

If in fact the three member panel is entirely republican (I don’t know), that is a violation of state law as: “not more than 2 members may be of same political party.”

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/boards/factsheet.php?i=077

Petumenos (the panel appointed attorney and investigator) said he, “wanted to keep the progress of the investigation confidential.” All fine and good this is allowed under state law (the hiding secrets from citizens clause).

http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/Statutes/Title39/Chapter52/Section340.htm

However, section “c” states that, “The subject of the complaint may, in writing, waive the confidentiality protection of this section.” Which Palin did! TWICE!

footnote on page one
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/09/02/19/ethicsdisclosureform9-1-08.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

and again on page 2 second paragraph
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site163/2008/0902/20080902_064435_PR%20-%20Governor%20Palin%20Calls%20for%20Formal%20Review%20090208.pdf

So why is Petumenos saying that this should be kept confidential in today’s paper?

http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/534119.html

All this being the case why was the “panel” allowed to meet in an executive session (closed door) on September 11th?

http://notes4.state.ak.us/pn/pubnotic.nsf/cc52605f7c156e7a8925672a0060a91b/6e6169a465e8f681892574ba007c2932?OpenDocument

Bottom line:

Palin wants the panel (that may or may not even be legitimate) to investigate her and wants (as she stated twice in written documents) to waive her confidentiality rights so that the investigation is open and honest, but doesn’t want that to REALLY happen; and we are supposed to look the other way and let it all go on behind closed doors?

Thanks, but NO thanks Sarah!

23 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

Doesn’t anyone up there in Alaska, who is in politics, want to stand up and say “Enough already!” That person or group of people will garner the respect of all of us here in the lower 49 (don’t forget Hawaii) if they expose her for the fraud she is. The populace knows it. The elected officials know it. <—They just need to decide that their integrity means more than their position. Hell, if they go after her with guns at the ready, she’ll lose all her power to fire them anyway.

Someone with some pull up there needs to do something. I bet the Secret Service is tapping phones up there as we speak. Scare tactics, probably being employed.

Frankly, I’m sick and tired of that woman. I’d rather focus on the fact that her running mate is a doddering old fool. If he can be proven as such, then there will be nothing to worry about.

23 09 2008
Cal Al

No Plain UN coverage in the main rags that I have checked.

I have not checked USAtoday or faux news.

Got to go now. parental duties call

23 09 2008
PJ

Queen Mudflats, you’re omitting a THIRD investigation, the one Colberg did before the McCain operatives got him by the short hairs. Apparently Colberg turned the results of that investigation over to Branchflower, and I have read that Colberg had already taken statements from the aides who refused to honor Branchflower’s subpoenas.

What does this mean at the end of the day?

It is very possible that Branchflower’s report will be more complete—and comphrehensive—that what many people now assume. And this may be why the McCain camp is working so hard to sully it.

You are correct, and I’d mentioned that before in another post. I don’t know WHAT that means at the end of the day. Palin will now be turning over documents and emails (it sounds like) to the Personnel board. Carefully chosen, I’m sure… AKM

23 09 2008
Anonymous

WHERE IS THE DR. THAT delivered TRIG ????????????????????????????????????????

23 09 2008
ds55

//Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P. (15:42:04) : Frankly, I’m sick and tired of that woman. I’d rather focus on the fact that her running mate is a doddering old fool. If he can be proven as such, then there will be nothing to worry about.//

Picking Sarah Palin as his running mate proves McCain is a doddering old fool.

23 09 2008
PJ

Also–late breaking news—

French’s lawyer is going to court to ask that the lawsuit filed by those other State Senators be tossed out.

23 09 2008
MJC

kid’s are off limits

23 09 2008
Alex

Awesome investigation work. You’re really giving an important perspective on this stuff. That filing a complaint against herself needs to be on an Obama commercial TODAY.

23 09 2008
ds55

//PJ (15:46:34) : It is very possible that Branchflower’s report will be more complete—and comphrehensive—that what many people now assume. And this may be why the McCain camp is working so hard to sully it.//

Why can’t they wait until the report actually comes out, then appeal it or dispute it if they disagree with the findings? Why try to squash it even before it’s started? Her behavior is highly suspicious, IMHO.

23 09 2008
shoeho

I was in grad school at Tulane during the “Vote for the Crook, It’s Important” election in LA. The other candidate was a big something in the KKK.

Now, in LA, crook was kind of synonymous with politician, so voting Eddie Edwards in didn’t rile anyone too much anyway.

I never thought I would here of more colorful politicians than those in LA. Y’all have them beat by a mile!

23 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

OMG Halcrow – Prominent evangelical “anoints” Sarah Palin as Biblical prophet — that is so disturbing. Not surprising, but very scary.

23 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

CBS Evening News did show a clip of Palin at UN – but it was more a lead-in/promo for her interview with Couric tomorrow. Even when on the Today Show – Couric could do some biting interviews (remember Bush!) — if she lets us down tomorrow night, then I may have to switch my news channel. But I can’t imagine she won’t finally take the chance America’s been waiting for.

23 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Halcrow – that would be hysterical if I thought no one was loony enough to believe it. And how is it that the state of Israel is seemingly ever more important than the US to many Americans? Too many cuckoo birds running around in the States and not enough eagles.

23 09 2008
Libbs

Campbell Brown is my hero!!! Did anyone just catch her “Free Sarah Palin” rant?

Finally, someone expresses my frustration on a national level!!!

I need her email or address so that I can send her a heartfelt THANK YOU!!!

23 09 2008
Sad In Red State Texas

Way To Go Campbell Brown . Give It To The GOP ‘S . Let Palin Answer To the Press. Show Your Stuff Palin To Americans Now

23 09 2008
Anonymous

Tucker Bounds is a walking-talking penis with ears………and he obviously is a DUMB-ASS……….he has his ass handed to him every time……..and comes back for more………Carly-(p)Rick Davis-et al. …………where you at ??? ……..certainly not on Rachel…..because she called your punk-ass out!!!!!!!!!! I hear a baby crying………Schmidt-eeeee is that you ???????????? JESUS………..there IS a such thing as kharma!!!! Lennon was right………”Instant Kharma’s Gonna Get Ya”

23 09 2008
NanookYK

gary (15:14:48) :
Latest version of Palin rhymes (new stanzas)
The Nomination of Sarah P.
(with apologies to Robert W. Service “The Cremation of Sam McGee”)

Gary that was a hoot! You caught the true humour of northern nuances. Robert Service is one of my favourite writers from the Yukon (by way of England).
Alaskans & Yukoners share an unique sense of humour.

23 09 2008
Halcrow

Bec in Illinois (15:58:55) :

OMG Halcrow – Prominent evangelical “anoints” Sarah Palin as Biblical prophet — that is so disturbing. Not surprising, but very scary.

There’s big bucks in attracting and keeping a flock. just because he writes it doesn’t mean that J Lee Grady follows what he expounds.

Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Sarah Palin and the Deborah Anointing

http://fireinmybones.com/index.php?col=091008~Sarah%20Palin%20and%20the%20Deborah%20Anointing

“Even J. Lee Grady, editor of Charisma & Christian Life magazine has become alarmed at what he sees as the excesses of some TV preachers.

Grady defends the principle that if you are stingy with your money, you will lack things in life; and if you are generous, you will get things in return.

“But that doesn’t mean you can treat God like a slot machine,” Grady said in an interview.”

23 09 2008
Soldotna Sue

I don’t think Barack ever even mentions Sarah, Sarah, Sarah! He ignores her as far as I know. However, the campaigns don’t waste much advertising money on Alaska with our 3 electoral votes. She keeps saying that Barack has been attacking her and her family! Ha! I’ll bet she wishes he would! If everyone would start to ignore her she’d explode! She think she owns the spotlight! The media is getting pretty sick of the McCain/Palin campaign’s hide-and-go-seek games.

23 09 2008
John Nail

AKM – we love you here in GA. Posted, Dugg and linked to you on this…

Meanwhile McCain’s lies and ties to this financial mess continues to unravel. The NYT just published an article showing that McCain Campaign Manager’s company was getting $15K per month until last month from Fannie Mae when he has repeatedly said his relationship ended in 2005.

This on top of Bill Timmons, the lobbyist McCain tapped to head his transition team was also paid ny Fannie Mae until the govt. takeover last month.

23 09 2008
tamarack

Palin sighting from a friend in New York-

“I was walking down 76th towards 5th when a bodyguard stopped me, explaining that the street was closed for just a few minutes. Sarah Palin was inside one of the consulates (don’t know which) and the boyguards were waiting for her to step outside, into her limo, before allowing pedestrian traffic. Well, when she did come out, everyone on the street from the construction guys to the ladies who lunch gave her the biggest BOOOOOOOOO you have ever heard in your life. It was awesome.”

Wow. Amazing! Wonder if she got the “Bronx Cheer”? 😉 AKM

23 09 2008
habitual

I missed the Campbell Brown rant…did it just happen? Or is it on Youtube?

23 09 2008
NanookYK

Libbs (16:07:44) :
Campbell Brown is my hero!!! Did anyone just catch her “Free Sarah Palin” rant?

I did, and I just about fell off my chair. Ever since SP came on the scene, I’ve noticed Campbell has been gunning for her. She doesn’t really care for her. It’s been kind of surprising since Campbell is a Repug

23 09 2008
DP

Regarding the Personnel Board, the Governor can not fire the members at any time. Board members can be removed by the Governor only “for cause”.
AS 39.25.060
Post a link to the complaint the Governor filed against herself, that’s gotta be an interesting read.

Cause? I’m imagining something like, “I just want to take the Department of Safety Personnel Board in a ‘new direction.'” It worked for Walt Monegan. Or at least it did initially… AKM

23 09 2008
ocliberal

AKM: Thanks again for being here!

grace rn: Loved Rep. Kaptur’s speech to Congress! Thanks for posting
At least someone in Congress is paying attention.
For those who missed it – worth the listen!

23 09 2008
chloe - Skein Chug Palin

pathetic

23 09 2008
NMJ

Anonymous (16:16:41) : on Rachel…..because she called your punk-ass out!!!!!!!!!! I hear a baby crying………Schmidt-eeeee is that you ???????????? JESUS………..there IS a such thing as kharma!!!! Lennon was right………”Instant Kharma’s Gonna Get Ya”

Anonymous, please don’t use multiple punctuation marks. When I get to the end of your sentences, my eyes start to stutter.

Oh, and we can do without the obscenities, too.

23 09 2008
shilo

Is this story really true, does anyone have any more info on this?

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/component/content/frontpage.html

Yes, this is really true, and a good read for anyone who is interested in exactly WHY everyone who is paying attention is so ticked off at the Attorney General situation. I just heard an excellent interview with Don Mitchell on KUDO about an hour ago. AKM

23 09 2008
Bec in Illinois

Thank Tamarack for the story. I’ve heard of the Bronx Cheer – was this the Manhattan Shout Out?

23 09 2008
dee

you all need to read your ethics act.
From what you all say she could be gotten on “misuse of official postion” and “improper use or disclosure of information” (that would be inregards to your first dude, him not being an employee of the state and all)
Also so could your attorney general.
If you want to take her staff on, go to the “disclosuser and actions to prevent violations part” and see if that won’t scare the staff for not cooperating a little, cause sure sounds like they were keeping secrets and not disclosing problems. fact is they are also punishable.

Also from what you say about your personnel board about them being appointed and being beholding to her, they would have to excuse themselves.
read that somewhere too.

Might want to ask one of your lawyers up there if that isn’t their take on it, too.

my prayers are with you because hopefully for us and unfortunately for you. you will have her back soon.

23 09 2008
Laurie

@Shilo…yes its true. The lawyer who wrote that was on KUDO with CC today.

23 09 2008
kate aka chin duststrap

Yes, kudos to Campbell. She slammed John King for saying he’s seen this kind of closed door meetings with presidents in foreign capitals. Now they’re on to Biden’s errors. Well, at least Biden can speak without a script.

23 09 2008
RW

Did anyone just see Campbell Brown’s vent on CNN about Sarah Palin?

She’s frustrated that the McCain campaign has kept her away from reporters. Says it’s being sexist, and that they should ‘Free Sarah Palin’

It was great!

23 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

OFF TOPIC UPDATE: from CNN.com

“FBI probing bailout firms;
Investigators start search for fraud at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers and AIG, sources say.”

Go Get ’em boys!!

23 09 2008
richie

send campbell some tips on the troopergate mess-the 2 investigates as reported on mudflats. she may actually follow through on it and elevate palin’s two faces to a larger audience than this blog…

23 09 2008
V.P., Flat Earth Society

Anonymous is a prime example of your education dollars at work – rofl

23 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

sigh… some peeps need to go play in their own sandboxes…

23 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I guess KO got suspended this evening. Schuster just apologized about an Earmark comment that was made on KO yesterday.

23 09 2008
kate aka chin duststrap

tamarack:

That made my day. love new yorkers!

23 09 2008
Cal Al

kate aka chin duststrap (16:36:10)

Despite Bidens gaffs…he is finally getting some press. i think that that is agood thing. I really like Biden, though he does say some interesting things!

I really liked what Dean had to say today

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/dean-obama-calmthoughtful_n_128703.html

23 09 2008
Hyla

I can only hope that this blog has converted voters to vote for Obama whether they are Republican, Independent, Liberal, or whatever.

Thank you for your posts and continuing to bring up matters that concern us as voters.

~Hyla
http://earthyfinds.blogspot.com

23 09 2008
protus

We need to make sure this fake board is called out for what it is.

23 09 2008
Zim in Oz

‘morning all’ (waves from Melbourne, Australia)

Off topic…Very !

The Gov has (or not) $700 billion to dish out….(How do you write that…$700,000,000,000 ?)
According to the 2008 census there are 305,238,000 people in the States…

Do the ‘Palin’ thing…..share it out.

How much would you each get ? (LOL…)

23 09 2008
protus

Oh and one more thing what is this hide and seek BS with Palin??

No she cant talk unless we say so??

I mean the women is running for VP right??

She needs to be called out and we need to question whats the motive in keeping her away from the public as a whole??

Maybe they are Scared??

23 09 2008
protus

Zim in Oz (16:56:38) :

‘morning all’ (waves from Melbourne, Australia)

Off topic…Very !

The Gov has (or not) $700 billion to dish out….(How do you write that…$700,000,000,000 ?)
According to the 2008 census there are 305,238,000 people in the States…

Do the ‘Palin’ thing…..share it out.

How much would you each get ? (LOL…)

less than $400

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

MSNBC is reporting that George Will is not supporting McCain—story breaking.
He’s been hinting it for weeks, since Palin came on the scene.

23 09 2008
Quiet Advocate

Maybe I’m sending links too often to my friend. She told me that she woke up from a nightmare. She dreampt that McCain/Palin won the election. They both stood on stage, but soon Palin announced that she was resigning…because she wants to be a mother. McCain was ready to announce his new VP. Guess who? None other than… Karl Rove!” That’s when she woke up. A nightmare, I hope!

23 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

Has anyone here mentioned that the terms of Sarah’s co-operation with the Personnel Board were negotiated by her flock of lawyers?

Don’t be thinking the truth is going to come out of there any time soon.

23 09 2008
Quiet Advocate

sorry — “dreamt,” not “dreampt”

23 09 2008
Anonymous

Just telling it like it is…………stay pis….whoops……I mean angry and on point and we can win ! BTW VP, 2 degrees @ UT here in Austin and I volunteer to work with at risk kids. We had more time with Bush than the country as a whole. I am sorry if I offended anyone. Am I mad……..yes ! Will I work hard to stop the madness ? Bet the ranch !! (is 2 ok) ??

23 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

tamarack (16:22:21) :

Palin sighting from a friend in New York-

“I was walking down 76th towards 5th when a bodyguard stopped me, explaining that the street was closed for just a few minutes. Sarah Palin was inside one of the consulates (don’t know which) and the boyguards were waiting for her to step outside, into her limo, before allowing pedestrian traffic. Well, when she did come out, everyone on the street from the construction guys to the ladies who lunch gave her the biggest BOOOOOOOOO you have ever heard in your life. It was awesome.”

Wow. Amazing! Wonder if she got the “Bronx Cheer”? AKM

(I don’t want anyone to miss this)

23 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

@Anonymous (17:06:41) :

Just telling it like it is…………stay pis….whoops……I mean angry and on point and we can win ! BTW VP, 2 degrees @ UT here in Austin and I volunteer to work with at risk kids. We had more time with Bush than the country as a whole. I am sorry if I offended anyone. Am I mad……..yes ! Will I work hard to stop the madness ? Bet the ranch !! (is 2 ok) ??
🙂

23 09 2008
drchill

Someone has got to have the talent to draw a cartoon of Palin investigating herself and reluctantly co-operating with the investigation…

The mind boggles…

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Quiet Advocate (17:04:53) :

Someone once posted the RULES here: It seems like a lifetime ago—

1.) typos don’t count
2.) all spelling errors are typos😉

23 09 2008
Zim in Oz

@protus (16:57:53) :
>>>less than $400>>>

Damn is that all…!
I was hoping you would get more.

…But it does reflect how much the $700 billion would cost each person.

23 09 2008
zuzu

Okay, sort of off-topic, but I’m still wondering if anyone can tell me….

why Sarah Palin’s official, taxpayer-funded, state portrait is being used for campaign purposes.

23 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

a pic with sarah and henry kissinger……..site has a contest to give the photo a caption……. http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/09/23/photo-of-the-day-sept-24.aspx

i didn’t feel like logging in – so will share mine here:

henry to sarah: so you just tell them that you told those wall street guys to shape up — they will believe you sarah. what a gal – now go get me some tea.

23 09 2008
KTN aka Wood Corps Palin

sooooo, just to keep score …that “team of Obama lawyers supposedly sent to alaska” anyone EVER see them ,of hear of them …smell them …anything??..but yet its the REPUBLICAN team of lawyers making all the news…

strange.

but true.

THIS JUST IN ……off means on , and back should now be referred to as “front”.

23 09 2008
KTN aka Wood Corps Palin

Re: the kissinger/palin picture.

Sarah: “In what respect Heeeenry????”

23 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

it just occurred to me that if sarah palin becomes president – all the men that thought it would be a grand position – an honorable goal – a lifetime achievement……..will finally realize it is just a beauty contest.

bummer.

for us all.

still HARD rock palin

23 09 2008
almostAnAk

I’m not surprised at what Cassie Jeep reports. George Will is known as a thinking, repeat, thinking conservative.

23 09 2008
Cal Al

Quiet Advocate (16:59:34)

I think that we should have nightmare/dream blog.

I have had some positive ones so maybe you can share them with your friend.

After a nightmare about Palin and the right wing think tank (my repug brother was a member) putting a disabled child out for public sharing, I had a dream that Obama won big time. That was nice.

I also had a dream that Palin bows out due to media scrutiny though a letter written by her husband.

it was great!

23 09 2008
NoCalGal

as ds55 said above- we need to focus on the fact that choosing Palin is evidence of McCain;s lack of judgement. Obviously finding out what a poor leader and pathological liar she is does reflect on that too..

ALSO May I respectfully suggest that all mudpuppies who are US citizens write their senators and congressperson (addresses are available on google and email is handy) to express their dissatisfaction with this attempt by the current regime to ramrod this bailout plan down our throats without oversight!

The elected representatives are there to do our bidding. Tell them what our bidding is! and make sure they get the message… NO TO THIS BAILOUT as written; NO TO DICTATORSHIP!!

23 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

tamarack (16:22:21) :

Palin sighting from a friend in New York-

“I was walking down 76th towards 5th when a bodyguard stopped me, explaining that the street was closed for just a few minutes. Sarah Palin was inside one of the consulates (don’t know which) and the boyguards were waiting for her to step outside, into her limo, before allowing pedestrian traffic. Well, when she did come out, everyone on the street from the construction guys to the ladies who lunch gave her the biggest BOOOOOOOOO you have ever heard in your life. It was awesome.”

Wow. Amazing! Wonder if she got the “Bronx Cheer”?😉 AKM
——————————————————
WOW. Thanks for this info. Sounds like it was Snake Plissken “Escape From New York” time in New Yawk today!

How much longer can this utter farce go on?

23 09 2008
zuzu

Well, when she did come out, everyone on the street from the construction guys to the ladies who lunch gave her the biggest BOOOOOOOOO you have ever heard in your life. It was awesome.”

Oh now, that’s just not small town values !

(Snark alert.)

23 09 2008
zuzu

By the way, a very good take down of the ridiculous NRO piece:

NRO’s Latest Rape Kit Howler

23 09 2008
ignorance is not bliss

Regarding Investigator Branchflower, readers may be reminded of what they already know: Alaska is a small state with limited degrees of separation. It’s hard not to know someone from the past.

Tom Van Flein was once shot in the face at a restaurant and almost killed by a jealous boyfriend who couldn’t accept that his girlfriend had broken it off. Branchflower prosecuted that case against the gunman. I believe the gunman may have murdered the ex-girlfriend at the same time.

No doubt Van Flein appreciated having a competent attorney prosecute the villain. Too bad he has forgotten Branchflower’s integrity since then. Given the past positive relationship between Van Flein and Branchflower, one wonders why Palin logic doesn’t object to the conflict of interest.

23 09 2008
SMR

From the link at the top — Alaskans Take Note:

HOLD PALIN ACCOUNTABLE RALLY

Anchorage, Alaska

Time: Noon to 2:00 PM

When: Saturday, September 27th

Place: The Park Strip, 9th and I St. by the Veteran’s Memorial

1) We demand that Gov. Palin uphold her promise to us of open, honest and transparent government

2) Join our demand for the immediate resignation through petition of Attny General Talis Colberg

3) Join us in demanding that the McCain Campaign removes itself and its influence from our state government.

4) Join us in demanding that the McCain Campaign remove attorney Ed O’Callahan’s unlawful intrusion in the Alaska Department of Law.

5) We demand that Gov. Palin cooperate fully with the independent investigation as initiated by the bi-partisan Legislative Council.

23 09 2008
AnneinWA

Let’sGetReal (16:51:01) :

I guess KO got suspended this evening. Schuster just apologized about an Earmark comment that was made on KO yesterday.

Let’sGet,

Keith said last night that he would be at a baseball game tonight. Oh no! Now I am keeping track of the media folks too! Political junkie, you ask?

23 09 2008
Soldotna Sue

RE:
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P. (16:42:24)
OFF TOPIC UPDATE: from CNN.com
“FBI probing bailout firms;
Investigators start search for fraud at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers and AIG, sources say.”
______________________________________________________________________
So,we bail them out and then investigate them!!!!!!!! What the hell is going on?????? Talk about having things basakwards!

23 09 2008
sauerkraut

If Alaskatan becomes its own nation, will its leader be known as the Great Asshat Sarah Palin?

Or will Todd finally step out of his closet and put on his own asshat?

23 09 2008
Martha

Alaska is now being controlled by the McCain campaign. That includes the worst of the worst, from the Bush White-house, the fat cat lobbyists that have played a large role in the current economic crisis (17 of from the very top), and of course Karl Rove definitely has his fingerprints all over this.

This must make Alaskans heartsick.

When Alaskans thought they would be going through their worst scandal in a millenia, with Ted Stevens, they end up with a White house asking for a trillion dollar financial bail out, and then Sarah Palin (the reformer) brings on this.

My thoughts and prayers are with the Alaskan citizens.

Martha, in Delta, B.C. Canada

PS You may rest assured that our First Nations’ will make certain your pipeline is “to nowhere”. Don’t let your politicians, or blustery corporate fat cats fool you, our first Nations’ are VERY astute, well connected, and legally brilliant. They have been tying up things in our province, and country for years. They have the rights your natives’ should have , and are a powerful source to be reckoned with. They can’t be negotiated collectively, and the pipeline plan involves many groups. The groups that have settled their land claims are no different than a sovereign nation.

23 09 2008
PaulyOH

I had a bizarre Sarah Palin-related dream last night. I dreamt that I was watching Sarah at a podium announcing who her VP running mate will be in case anything happens to McCain between now and Election Day. So her running mate comes out and starts speaking.
The running mate?
Former ESPN commentator and former Washington Redskins quarterback Joe Theismann!
Only reason I guess it was him is that he’s just another talking head with nothing going on upstairs.

23 09 2008
Cal Al

The crisis of our nation and our constitution has woken me up form a misinformed complacency. Something else to be thankful for?

(See my post on the previous thread and please add to the list).

This is another good article…there have been many…that is helping me slog my way through our current muck-ridden predicament.

I was not as connected to the blogosphere when 9/11 went down…do you think that this new type of connection and unity is making a difference?

How Bill Buckley’s Hatred of the New Deal Brought the Wall Street Crash of 2008

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rupert-russell/how-bill-buckleys-hatred_b_128538.html

23 09 2008
Pacificnwgal

Isn’t is against the law to ignore subpoenas? If you are I did this, we would be in jail for contempt of court. How can people like Todd Palin just NOT SHOW UP? And they are getting away with this. Sarah Palin is demonstrating to her family, her community, to the nation, and to the world that she is above the law. That she does not have to cooperate with the very laws that she was elected to uphold. This is what needs to be on CNN, period, because it is the bottom line with this woman.

23 09 2008
Cal Al

PaulyOH (17:40:58) :

another great dream!…we have to start collecting these

23 09 2008
Mike

I was hoping you might cover this – the McCain campaign today on CNN suggested that “there was nothing [Gov. Palin] could do” about the access road to the bridge to nowhere, as the project started before her tenure as Governor and AK had already received the Federal funds.

Of course this is not true – the Governor can cancel state contracts, and can also return Federal funds for projects deemed wasteful, especially in light of the cancellation of the bridge construction. Remember “Thanks, but no thanks?”

Thoughts?

stopsarahpalin.blogspot.com

23 09 2008
sauerkraut

re MJC at 15:49: I agree 100%. We need to lay off the Palin kids. It’s not the fault of Trig or any of the others that their parents appear to be politically unethical hosers. Palin’s managerial talents, however, could use a closer look. Is she incompetent or does it just appear so?

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

ignorance is not bliss (17:30:33) :
Tom Van Flein was once shot in the face at a restaurant and almost killed by a jealous boyfriend who couldn’t accept that his girlfriend had broken it off. Branchflower prosecuted that case against the gunman. I believe the gunman may have murdered the ex-girlfriend at the same time.
*********************************************************************************

Is this true?

23 09 2008
Kelly

Thank you for the summary.

I know we’re not supposed to mention the kids, but shouldn’t they be in school and not on the campaign trail? It smacks of pimping to me. If Sarah were “like me,” she’d have her kids in school. I know, I know…I’m not. supposed. to. mention. the. kids.

23 09 2008
Cain

Let’s look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job:

Obama:
Occidental College – Two years.
Columbia University – B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

& Biden:
University of Delaware – B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy – Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester
North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study
University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester
University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world?

23 09 2008
Regi

Palin is a Mary Sue.

is a pejorative term used to describe a fictional character who plays a major role in the plot and is particularly characterized by overly idealized and clichéd mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as wish-fulfillment fantasies for their authors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

23 09 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

Somebody above asked if this can backfire against McCain/Palin.

I think it already has. Campaigns are drip…drip…drip…drip…oh, my, the campaign is underwater!! Bail, bail….we’re sinking….

Every drip that is about lies, coverups, stonewalling, political chicanery, fighting the media adds up. In a year like 2004, when the war was relatively new and 9/11 very fresh, the incumbent survived the drip…drip…

McCain and Palin are willing to endure the drip…drip because they have NOTHING else. No policy, no issue that breaks their way. McCain as populist deregulator=monstrous lie, one that can be easily exposed via TV ads. So their only hope is to create the illusion and hope it sticks. Our hope is that more and more voices will get the truth out.

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

ignorance is not bliss (17:30:33) :
*******************************************************************************

I need to know before I go to bed…is it true??

23 09 2008
AnneinWA

I so enjoy Rachel Maddow – she calls a LIE a LIE!

23 09 2008
Anonymous

KTN–I was wondering the same. Also-who is paying the tab for the small army of McCoward thugs? I mean – hotels-rental cars-office space-kinkos-etc. Are they ensconced in the governors office ?……..using state resources ??

23 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh
23 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Today is the tipping point

23 09 2008
MinNJ

Campbell Brown is NOT on our side, people. Her husband is a chief advisor to Mitt Romney and was a Bush advisor. She just doesn’t like Palin. She IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

23 09 2008
SMR

@Cassie Jeep:

Re: Van Flein shooting? Yes, it’s true. I remember when it happen, as I’ve lived in Alaska for 35 of my 40 years, and that was during the 35 year bit.

23 09 2008
sauerkraut

Tipping Point… hmmm… wasn’t that a 60’s song? Where is Gary? He’s so good with rewording these songs into something contemporary.

Who was looking for a sketch artist? ToughGirl101 who often comments on my blog has a new sketch machine thingie. Maybe you can find her recent post on that and make a suggestion. …

23 09 2008
Engine Nighthawk Palin

Great job!

23 09 2008
Cal Al

@ Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh (17:54:01)

I love it…even George Will is willing to try his luck on the “inexperienced” , “liberal” Obama.

McCain has scared them all…..even Kristol I think, who wrote a very convoluted op-ed the other day.

Truely…this is some change that I can sink my teeth into!

23 09 2008
sauerkraut

MinNJ… if Campbell Brown doesn’t like the slithering of Sarah Palin, then Campbell Brown’s my friend. Plus, Campbell is so much better looking than Palin and lacks that Toddish snarkiness.

23 09 2008
Cronopio

Gary, I grew up on Cremation of Sam Magee — Excellent job, thanks!

23 09 2008
GT

Succinct and lucid. Even Palin supporters couldn’t fail to understand this clear-cut, completely factual summary.

Kudos.

23 09 2008
Libbs

I don’t care who Campbell Brown is married to…if she calls the McCain Cronies out on the deferential treatment of Sarah Palin, I’m a fan.

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

SMR (17:58:15) :

@Cassie Jeep:

“Re: Van Flein shooting? Yes, it’s true. I remember when it happen, as I’ve lived in Alaska for 35 of my 40 years, and that was during the 35 year bit.”

My god…is there no limit to whom they will throw under the bus? Train?

Van Flein was shot in the face, his girlfriend (date)was (or may have been killed) and Branchflower prosecuted the assailant…and Van Flein today says that Branchflower is not an honorable man?

This is way too much for my little brain to assimilate. Is there truly no honor? No allegiance? No humility? No Grace?

23 09 2008
strangelet

Jeep Trout (Cassie) —

Where did you hear the van Flein/Branchflower/shot in face thing? Please? This is beginning to resemble Lost.

Anybody —

Is anyone going after O’Callaghan for practicing law without a license? Here in CA, both the Bar Association and the AG (Oh,,, ha, ha) get rather touchy about this.

23 09 2008
teemo

…and by the way, when is Palin going to give a Press Conference and release her Tax Returns (and medical records)?

There needs to be more outrage about this. It’s unprecedented in modern US history.

23 09 2008
macaro

McCain and Palin just “reformed” the meaning of proper vetting.

23 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh

Today was the tipping point!!!

McCain/Palin a/k/a Dumb & Dumber, are done for. They say it is not over until the fat lady sings. Well, consider this:

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

Here and above—

ignorance is not bliss (17:30:33) :

Good God!

23 09 2008
Halcrow

Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P. (16:42:24) :

OFF TOPIC UPDATE: from CNN.com

“FBI probing bailout firms;
Investigators start search for fraud at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers and AIG, sources say.”

Go Get ‘em boys!!

I don’t believe that the FBI has had much recent success in investigating stock manipulation.

The SEC is a totally different matter entirely, as they know the rules inside out; unfortunately, while they win the cases and get huge damages awards, there isn’t usually much money left to be seized.

Having said that, if Paulson (just using him as an example, as I’m not suggesting that he was involved in stock manipulation: I just know how much money he’s got/had]) or someone like him had to pay $699 million of his $700 million fortune to defend himself, then at least he and his wouldn’t be living high on the hog.

A pyrrhic victory unfortunately, unless the lawyers pay taxes and return some of it to the common weal.

23 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

HOLD PALIN ACCOUNTABLE RALLY

Anchorage, Alaska

Time: Noon to 2:00 PM

When: Saturday, September 27th

Place: The Park Strip, 9th and I St. by the Veteran’s Memorial
___________
i would so love to be there…….stand tall my alaskan friends.
still HARD rock palin

23 09 2008
Jan

My AP Human Geography class checked out the widget map today and then I showed them the “sign” I spent way too long watching Sunday night. When we were there, there were over 300 people watching the sign and the discussion was lively. We only stayed on a few minutes, but they were all pretty impressed and wanted to stay. We tied it in to “time-space compression” and political discourse. We discussed the global interest in US elections. We discussed the beauty in disagreements based on facts, not just personality. Many planned to go to Mudflats on their own. I encourage them to go to many different sites to read political ideas, but rarely do I recommend political blogs because the discussions usually have too many trolls and too much hate talk.

You all make me proud. Sources are cited, and you all show that people can disagree on issues. So many EXCELLENT persuasive “essays” are shared here, and Mudflats- you are AWESOME!

And the best thing to come out of today in class- we are having a “watch the debates” party on Friday. Pizza and pop…atlases and constitutions will be provided!

23 09 2008
strangelet

Pacificmwgal —

Subpoenas: it’s just the way Alaskan law is. This isn’t a judicial subpoena (which is how most folks get tossed in the nick); in AK a legislative subpoena isn’t enforceable until the Legislature is in session. It sucks, but that’s the law.

23 09 2008
SMR

Van Flein’s girlfriend died. Perhaps his ethics & moral compass did at the same time. I do have some compassion for him in regards to that, it would really mess with your head.

However, if you can’t separate personal & professional stuff it’s time to take a break from the real world and go on some “find yourself” trip or something. He needs to read Eat Pray Love & do what the author of that book did. It might re-set his moral & ethical compass.

23 09 2008
MinNJ

Sauerkraut,
Her husband (2nd) was the spokesperson for the Coalition Provisonal Authority in Bagdhad for Bremmer, Dan Senor. He was a Fox News Analyst. She is very conservative, and because her husband was an advisor to Romney, who apparently did want to be the VP, doesn’t like Palin. Your enemy is now my friend, but be very careful, she’s really an enemy. She’ll use that grilling against us when it suits her. For now, all good. Later, I don’t think so.

23 09 2008
strangelet

Halcrow —

You’re very kind. I myself think Paulson should be drawn and quartered (metaphorically, of course) for the stock manipulation he’s already indulged in.

23 09 2008
Regi

teemo (18:20:09) :

…and by the way, when is Palin going to give a Press Conference and release her Tax Returns (and medical records)?

There needs to be more outrage about this. It’s unprecedented in modern US history.

The Republicans have done such a great job of dehumanizing liberals many conservatives are getting off on aligning themselves with Palin against them. They actually believe they’re in on some joke and Palin is a super genius who’ll protect their jobs, SS and did you hear? No taxes.

23 09 2008
strangelet

SMR — when, loosely speaking, was this shooting?

23 09 2008
SMR

OFF TOPIC — Terri Gross on NPR today had a great interview with an econ person (I only caught the middle bit for a short time before my tot demanded a DVD!) talking about the bailout plan. If you can go to the Fresh Air site on pbs maybe you can listen to it? I’ve not listened via internet to her stuff for eons, so not sure how long it takes to get the shows (after they’ve been aired) into a format that allows for people to listen…

23 09 2008
SMR

The Van Flein shooting was during the 90s. Can’t recall the exact year. 97???

23 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh (Mooseguts trailorpark Palin"

They say it ain’t over ’till the fat lady sings, well that time is here for McCain/Palin:

23 09 2008
tribble

wow. maybe i’ll reconsider this whole sarah palin thing. Fortunately, there’s a plethora of women who look like her from which i can choose
http://www.womenwholooklikesarahpalin LOL!

23 09 2008
Cal Al

I apologize..I am linking a lot…and it is not on topic, but I am trying to share what I, being a complacent dumbass did not know and now I am educait’n Y’all!

arrgghh. If only I had paid more attention. Well what could I do really. I do give myself a pat on the back for raking up my credit to 10,000 and then paying it off. 600 left to go…yeah. Funny thing that going through a credit counciling agencies hurts your creadit much more then a taking a complete bailout. hmmmmm. Still I am prouid of taking care of my finacial dept, rather then having others take care of it for me.

Why can’t the Wall Street show the same restraint and responsibilty?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/21/9322/74248/245/602838

23 09 2008
tribble

sorry for the post, there was a typo

wow. maybe i’ll reconsider this whole sarah palin thing. Fortunately, there’s a plethora of women who look like her from which i can choose
http://www.womenwholooklikesarahpalin.com LOL!

23 09 2008
strangelet

MinNJ —
Thank you for the heads up. Nevertheless, as long as she will go after then the qualifies as “the enemy of my enemy”.

23 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society
23 09 2008
Halcrow

strangelet (18:28:23) :

Halcrow –

You’re very kind. I myself think Paulson should be drawn and quartered (metaphorically, of course) for the stock manipulation he’s already indulged in.

Not kind at all; I’m very aware of the laws of libel and defamation, especially as they relate to the Internet. It is unkind to expose the blog owner to chill letters when the comment is just that (if you’ve got the goods on someone, forward it to the authorities, lol).

The sad thing is that the fortunes remaining from the billions made in the stock markets since the dot.com days were extracted from the savings and retirement futures of the little people,

Hard to skin an individual investor for $50,000, very easy (and almost risk free) to get 5,000 people for $10.

23 09 2008
strangelet

Okay. Time for bed. That was supposed to be “as long as she goes after them, she qualifies….”

23 09 2008
Anon

I just viewed the clip below via Andrew Sullivan’s site. It’s 12 minutes long (and a bit behind on the # & depth of Palin scandals). But it goes through the resumes of all the VPs in US history, and shows that Palin is the least experienced VP nominee in history, except maybe for Spiro Agnew.

23 09 2008
ayerishgrl aka Quarter Granite Palin

great post as alwasy akm-thanks for the rundown.

Wouldn’t it be something if the AK legislature decided to call an emergency session to discuss the recent turn of events and decided to unanimously go ahead with this investigation and demand the subpeonas be adhered to??? Now that’s MY DREAM!

(What, a girl can dream can’t she?)😉

23 09 2008
Cal Al

Jan (18:25:16)

cool

23 09 2008
ayerishgrl aka Quarter Granite Palin

HOLD PALIN ACCOUNTABLE RALLY
=====================
My my, how i would just love to be there for that! I’m with you in spirit and hope to see even more pictures than the last rally!

23 09 2008
GT

Gary,
How very sublime, your insightful rhyme, “The nomination of Sarah P.”
Rolls off the tongue like syrup on plum. Let’s hope she remains forever… a nominee.

GT

23 09 2008
Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh (Mooseguts trailorpark Palin"

Instead of sending around emails about how horrible Sarah Palin is, let’s all make a donation to Planned Parenthood – in HER NAME!! And here’s the best part – when you make a donation to Planned Parenthood in Governor Palin’s name, they’ll send her a nice card telling her that a donation has been made in her honor.
Such sweet justice, don’t you think? It helps Planned Parenthood and it’s tax deductible! YES!!
(The minimum donation is $5, send more if you can – it’s worth every penny!)

Here’s the link to the Planned Parenthood website:

https://secure.ga0.org/02/pp10000_inhonor

(As an alternative, you could make a similar protest by donating to keep the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge safe: http://www.nrdc.org/land/wilderness/arctic.asp)

Make sure you use that link above or choose the pull-down of Donate – ‘Honorary or Memorial Donations’ and not the regular “Donate Online”

You’ll need to fill in the address to let Planned Parenthood or the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge know where to send the “in Sarah Palin’s honor” card. I suggest you use the address for Governor Palin’s Juneau Office, which is:

Governor Palin’s Office
Alaska State Capitol Building
Third Floor P.O. Box 110001
Juneau, AK 99811-0001
Phone (907)456-3500
Fax (907)465-3532

23 09 2008
ignorance is not bliss

Here is a summary of the appellant court record in the case where Van Flein was shot by the jealous boyfriend. I’ll look for record of the original case that lists Branchflower as the prosecutor: http://touchngo.com/ap/html/ap-1346.htm

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

SMR (18:26:16) :
“Van Flein’s girlfriend died. Perhaps his ethics & moral compass did at the same time. I do have some compassion for him in regards to that, it would really mess with your head.”

You are more compassionate than I. This “small detail” has blown me away tonight. Violence destroys me. Here is a man who suffered violence and stands ready to do battle with the man who served as his advocate.

This is too much for me. I need a shower, a scrub, and a sandblasting right now…and I need tissues, for I am crying.

It goes way beyond the charge for rape kits..this is the epitome of domestic violence…and this man of law (Van Flein) can trash the man who prosecuted the assailant?

How can God, or Sarah or Van Flein justify this?

23 09 2008
JC

Ms. Palin may be declared a prophet by her own kind, but others in the realm of the spirit beg to differ: A spiritual friend just sent this link: http://www.chopra.com/node/1064

I love the internet!
I love mudflats!
Thank you all for your work and comments.

23 09 2008
strangelet

Halcrow —
Excellent point. Of course, I have no proof of anyone indulging in stock manipulation. I am merely what you might call an active investor, and I notice the response of segments of the stock market to announcements or actions by, say, the Treasury Department.
Actually, I must confess that I’ve made a couple of bucks off of some of those responses. However I, personally, would prefer to see a return to a market where the stock price is sort of related to the value of the underlying business.

And, perhaps, a Treasury Secretary less obviously connected to the institutions he wants to be empowered to bail out.

23 09 2008
shilo

Obama was criticized for saying , when all else fails in Washington and no one listens, people cling to their guns and religion in small town America. If people look deep into their souls they’d know his statement was true. If half those that critized him read this can they honestly say that they arn’t praying right now with the situation on wall street and the BAIL OUT.
So Obama was right.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080922/us_nm/financial_religion_dc

23 09 2008
MinNJ

strangelet,
My pleasure. Sweet dreams.

23 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/04/a_day_in_the_li.html

This is so good, it should be posted again,

23 09 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

Anon (15:24:30) :

So her 3 person Personnel board thingie being reactivated is just another cover-up attempt, and all those people on the committee are hired/fired by her.
_________________________________

I think it is more than just for cover-up purposes. Palin very recently withdrew her complaint that started up her personal 3 appointed employee investigation. Then Branchflower announced his report was coming out on October 10, come hell or high water.

Realizing that Blanchflower’s report might very well not be in her favor, Palin (or more likely the campaign) decided they needed that 3 appointed employee panel to release another report claiming dear, sweet Sarah never did anything wrong in her entire life just to counter Branchflower’s findings. Basically just to create more muck and political confusion in the minds of uninformed voters. It’s all politics as usual.

23 09 2008
J T

On Fox they are still harping on the “Obama and Ayers” connection. Talk about grasping at straws. I was once on a small board of a non-profit organization. It turned out the head of the group (whom I worked with closely) had done some illegal shenanigans and ended up in jail. I certainly feel no responsibility for her actions.

And while Obama undoubtably knew of Ayer’s past criminal actions (which took place when Obama was about 8 years old), I don’t fault Obama for getting involved with the non-profit organization. Every EVERY politician or private citizen who gets involves with profit or non-profit organizations will from time to time rub shoulders with a person with a criminal past. Look at the criminals McCain cozy upped to when he was part of the Keating 5!

This current harping on Obama/Ayers is not turning up anything new, and considering our country’s problems and the way McCain is falling to pieces, it is ridiculous to obsess on the brief Ayer-Obama association..

The ONLY thing the guy Greta was interviewing seemed to think was “new” info was the fact that Obama had endorsed some of Ayer’s “radical” education ideas.

One of the ideas….America is not perfect! (or something that pretty much sums up that idea)

Err….nope, America is NOT perfect. We have enslaved our citizens, refused to serve people because of their color, and condoned men beating their wives. Some of our “Christian” groups dressed up in white sheets when they targeted white women in the 1800’s as the “White Caps”, beating and killing women they felt were immoral. Our good Christians again dressed up in sheets and did despicable things as the KKK.

No Virginia, the USA is NOT perfect. And while I would like to think we are the best country in the world, that is only a pep rally chant. Unless you’ve been to every country (and I haven’t) then who really knows which country is the best?

Ayers current crime against education was suggesting the students pledge not to the US, but the the entire world. Imagine that, wanting to reach out to ALL of the world instead of just the US.

I do not condone Ayer’s terrorist activities, there is no excuse for his actions. Yet, some of his perceptions are accurate. We will never improve this country if we are unable to realistically look at our shortcomings.

Historically what we teach our children about history is crap. When I was young, elementary and High school history was not much different than propoganda. And does that make us better than other country’s that try to brainwash the youth?

23 09 2008
Rust Mustang Palin

Off topic, but I have a question. I just saw a CNN piece on the Road to Nowhere. If I understood correctly, there is a toll-taker on this road. The road just ends at the water. No one apparently ever uses the road. Why would they? But there is a toll-taker?

I used to think I was a reasonably creative soul, but there’s no way I could ever have made all this stuff up.

23 09 2008
ayerishgrl aka Quarter Granite Palin

people cling to their guns and religion in small town America.
=========================================

In some cases Shilo, those “people” are referred to as rednecks. Anyone see the Lynn de Rothschild interview with Campbell Brown on CNN? Barak gets maligned for stating a fairly simple truth, yet still allowed the dignity of them being people. Ms. de Rothschild however, shows her utter contempt for them by referring to them as Rednecks. I believe this interview took place the same day or maybe the day after Carly Fiorina (SP?) of the McCain campaign insisted Governor Palin could not run a company. She did however, have a great comeback from that gaffe with her line “but that is not what she has been picked for”.

No Carly, she’s been picked to be one heartbeat away from the most powerful position in the world…

Pretty scarey huh?

23 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (Wish I were Trout)

ignorance is not bliss (18:43:16) :
************************************************************************************ I had to look, you know I would.
And now I will have nightmares…and a through the night dialogue about this.

But thank you for the honesty of it.

23 09 2008
ignorance is not bliss

On the case of homicide where Van Flein was almost murdered, here is the case number: 3AN-90-05034CR State of Alaska vs. Nelson, Andrew S.
This is the case Branchflower prosecuted. Sandra Pogany was murdered at this time. It was reported in Sitka: http://www.newspaperarchive.com/LandingPage.aspx?type=glp&search=thomas%20van%20flein%20andrew%20nelson&img=\\na0009\6830729\86290388_clean.html

She was a student at UAA when Van Flein was clerking for the Supreme Court. You’ll have to use your research skills to find the rest of the information.

23 09 2008
fixthebroken

Off topic surprise….another lie exposed. This is actually kinda big.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/freddie-mac-paid-mccain-c_n_128770.html

23 09 2008
MinNJ

OMG, Shilo, how prescient of him. “And fascism will come to America draped in a flag and carrying a cross.” And asking for 700 billion dollars on top of a trillion dollar war. Which was unnecessary and lied about, in every way.

23 09 2008
Political Amazon

About the mcCain/Palin poor treatment of the media…

They may act pissy now, but they will soon resume their bend-and-spread-’em two-step.

Look at the abject chumps Bush/cheney played them for over the last 8 years, yet the MSM lemmings continue to bend over every time Bush/Cheney snap their fingers.

23 09 2008
Anon

Joy from Wisconsin wrote: “I think it is more than just for cover-up purposes. Palin very recently withdrew her complaint that started up her personal 3 appointed employee investigation. Then Branchflower announced his report was coming out on October 10, come hell or high water.
Realizing that Blanchflower’s report might very well not be in her favor, Palin (or more likely the campaign) decided they needed that 3 appointed employee panel to release another report claiming dear, sweet Sarah never did anything wrong in her entire life just to counter Branchflower’s findings. Basically just to create more muck and political confusion in the minds of uninformed voters. It’s all politics as usual.”

But isn’t that just a cover-up?🙂

23 09 2008
reveur1147

@Anne in CA: I adore Rachel Maddow !! Would love to see her with unencumbered access to McShame and Failin’ for, say, 10 minutes …. I still want someone to bring up the Knok Arm Bridge which Ms Maverick conveniently never mentions !! GOBAMA BLUE DAY IS SEPTEMBER 30 !!

23 09 2008
MinNJ

Judith Miller ring a bell? Cheney planting stories in the NYT and then quoting those same stories on MTPress? We’ve been totally played…it’s extremely worrisome now.

23 09 2008
shilo

MinNj
You must have missed the point. You’ve got to think deeper than that. I’ll put it simple, they still are turning to religion. Like I said Obama was right in how people who have lost faith in Washington cling to their guns and religion.What happened to Wall Street is Washington, deregulation of anything they could deregulate.

23 09 2008
Who's On First

Notice the Personnel Board’s Investigating Lawyer – Okay, Palin (or her handlers) says that the Alaska legislature should mind its own beewax because the State Personnel Board (who works for Palin) is going to investigate the whole thing. Did you notice who the Personnel Board hired to investigate Palin’s complaint against herself? Tim Petumenos is a shareholder in the large Anchorage lawfirm, Birch, Horton Bittner. Do you know who Bill Bittner is? He’s Ted Steven’s brother-in-law. Steven’s wife, Catherine, is Bittner’s sister. … I have to go, I’m getting dizzy.

23 09 2008
shilo

MinNj,
and yes the War, what is it $50,000,000 a day and the republicans want more of the same, not to mention a poster girl for foreign policies. I’ve meet a lot and had pictures with too. Mickey, Minnie , Donald and Goofie, but their just pictures, no substance, get what I mean.

23 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. — James Madison

‘When the government fears the people it is a democracy….when the people fear their government it is tyranny…’ — Thomas Jefferson

Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. — Benjamin Franklin

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.– Thomas Jefferson

The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – James Madison

The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders…tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. – Herman Goering

I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. – James Baldwin

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. – Voltaire

The cry has been that when war is declared, all opposition should be hushed. A sentiment more unworthy of a free country could hardly be propagated. – William Ellery Channing

“if there be one principle more deeply written than any other in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.” — Thomas Jefferson

Criticism in a time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government. – Sen. Robert Taft, (R) Ohio

Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible. ~ Sinclair Lewis 1935

“patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.” – Samuel Johnson

“If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied.” -Thomas Jefferson

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” -J. Edgar Hoover, former head of the FBI

BEWARE THE LEADER WHO BANGS THE DRUMS of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know ? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”

— Anonymous

23 09 2008
PJ

Re Van Flien: it happened in 1990. I can’t access the newspaper article, but that’s when the shooting tookplace.

23 09 2008
MinNJ

Shilo:
I was expanding your point, I thought, but guns and religion are the fallback of many. Not our many, but those many. I’ll never get it. But I believe that the deeper issue is that Bush has played on that thinking in many ways to the country’s detriment. But I don’t live around mega-church types or fundamental religous organizations. Phew! I doubt if both of us could survive right now.

23 09 2008
ayerishgrl aka Quarter Granite Palin

ok this is long and i hope i’m not breaking any posting rules here but i just received this email and thought it worth passing on. While i HOPE race doesn’t turn out to be a deciding factor in this election, it very well could be. Send this to any of your friends who don’t think they can vote the Obama/Biden ticket.

By Tim Wise

For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you’ll “kick their fuckin’ ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office–since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s–while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.

White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you. White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you’re black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do–like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor–and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college–you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.

White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”

White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.

White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.

White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a “light” burden.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.

White privilege is, in short, the problem.

23 09 2008
Cookie

Today I read on another blog that the NY Lawyer up there, O’Callahan, is not licensed to practice law in Alaska. If he is practicing law, that is a misdemeanor. Also, the post said that the AG is totally incompetent and should be impeached.

23 09 2008
wired differently

Wow. Another evening of catching up on AKM’s latest posts, followed by a commentary with amazing nuggets of information embedded in it.

The Van Flein-Branchflower connection kind of takes your breath away. That karmic payback is going to be a b-, well, tough.

Someone already drew attention to this, but it bears repeating again. Marcy Kaptur, what a woman! Please watch this speech in which she says, ‘thanks, but no thanks’ to bailing out Wall Street fat cats. Anyone here from Toledo must love their Congresswoman!

Since my links always end up in the spam folder, I’m going to alter it a bit. dubdubdub.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds. Hope it works!

23 09 2008
Leather Steak Palin

McCain/Palin ticket had a rally in my Florida town this morning [pop. 50,000] – there were MAYBE 25 people there after the rally started – not certain who the speakers were b/c I just passed by

Off the subject but when the the Gnome start guarding the sign?

23 09 2008
gary

I’m in the purple state of Virginia (someone asked) and I need the humor to keep some shred of sanity these days…Palin was thrilled that Tina Fey played her because she (Palin) had been Fey for Halloween! What could be more postmodern?

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

AKM: I tried to join the forum but I was told that my username does not exist.
I do not recall receiving an activation e-mail nor do I recall a password. Can
anyone help me out here. Thanks.

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

I really don’t mean to ignore topic. I’m not used to blogs but I am
trying to learn. If I am messing up too bad, please tell me, and I
will read and not post.

23 09 2008
shilo

MinNj
What I think Obama was trying to say is that people give up, so they vote on the 2nd annendment and go worship each week because thats all they think they have because Washington promises during a campaign but never delivers, so they never really believe in the real issues because they’ve lost faith in believing. So they grasp to the things clostest to them. What do we hear in the campaign………GUNS (Palin) abortion (Palin) and religion (Palin).
The evangelical love her, great, but the point is Right now with the ecomomic crisis which the article states……..Religion has become part of their life in this time of crisis. That’s what Obama meant.

23 09 2008
Joy from Wisconsin aka Chisel Dustup Palin

Anon: No. It is more a case of bait and switch.

23 09 2008
Anon

Joy,
I see what you mean. Palin constantly does that. First she was willing to cooperate in the investigation (see quotes from July on CNBC: “Hold me accountable.” ). Now, she’s not willing to be held accountable. Then, she filed the ethics violation against herself with the Personnel Board. Then, she thought about dismissing it, now she’s going through with it.

It is a pattern of shifting smokescreens and/or a shell game: “Look over there. No, there. No, there. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”

23 09 2008
MinNJ

gary:
There’s a really funny article in the New Yorker and one in ? New York rag (can’t remember right now) where an actress went around playing Sarah on Monday to see how her welcome might be. Short version: welcomed, but not voted for (men say she’s cute, but won’t caste a ballot in her direction.)

23 09 2008
dee

any one heard of timothey petumenos? they say he is going to be doing the “inquiry” for the personnel board

23 09 2008
wired differently

Deuce 2: When you registered your username and password, did you scroll all the way down the page and check the box that says you accept the terms of the blahblahblah? If you didn’t your registration won’t take.

23 09 2008
Cal Al

@VP, Flat Earth Society (19:14:51)

Thanks for you sustenance for thought.

my favorite.
Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. – Voltaire

23 09 2008
otisNYC

to all the Alaskans posting on this blog who are within driving distance of making some kind of protest — remember the folks who stormed the Bastille? There is something you can do to put pressure on the Personnel Board — revolt! Organize yourselves and DO something to try and stop this insanity. I can’t believe that the Alaskan public is going to sit by and watch quietly as this all goes down. It’s great that we have this online community of like-minded citizens to vent our frustrations about what’s going on, but we have six weeks to make our case. The media is a joke. Hillary’s pair would only give them balls — they would still have no brains. We can’t expect them to do anything. A group of us are going to register and canvass in NJ this weekend and PA next. It will be interesting to see what the response is. A friend who canvassed in PA last week said she encountered a lot of blatant racism among undecided voters who said they’d never vote for a black man. Sad. On the other hand, a woman in the NYC saw my Obama button on my bag and nearly did a cartwheel in excitement. I can only hope that the real revolt will take place on Nov 4 when our youth gets out and votes Obama into office in a landslide. End of story!

p.s. as a New Yorker, it is embarrassing that I’m sleeping in the same city as Palin. Can’t wait til she leaves.

23 09 2008
MinNJ

VP,
Yes, that was great and thank you. Loved the Voltaire also.

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

@wired differently (19:40:32) Thank you very much for that
information. I will try it. Again, thank you.

23 09 2008
DeMo

MinNJ (17:57:11) :

Campbell Brown is NOT on our side, people. Her husband is a chief advisor to Mitt Romney and was a Bush advisor. She just doesn’t like Palin. She IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.
__________________________________________

James Carville – Democrat. Bill Clinton’s lead strategist. Advisor to Hillary Clinton.
Mary Matalin – Republican. An assistant to Dubya and counsel to Dick Cheney until 2003.

Not all spouses support the same political party.

I don’t pretend to know Campbell Brown’s political affilitation. I think she was doing her job digging for a true answer with Tucker Bounds.

23 09 2008
Cal Al

@ otisNYC (19:45:37)
I feel for you having to sleep in the same town as SP…any anti-Palin rallies happening?
Here is a sound article that i think expresses how we are all feeling. Here is a snippet

“The problem, as far as our political process is concerned, is that half the electorate revels in Palin’s lack of intellectual qualifications. When it comes to politics, there is a mad love of mediocrity in this country. “They think they’re better than you!” is the refrain that (highly competent and cynical) Republican strategists have set loose among the crowd, and the crowd has grown drunk on it once again. “Sarah Palin is an ordinary person!” Yes, all too ordinary.”

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/page/4

23 09 2008
Suchanut

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HUGE RALLY IN ANCHORAGE ON 9/27!!!
« on: Today at 03:30:12 PM »

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OK, Alaskans, this is it!

“HOLD PALIN ACCOUNTABLE” RALLY
Organized by Alaskans for Truth

Saturday, September 27th from Noon until 2pm
Anchorage Park Strip
Downtown between I Street and L Street
by the Veterans’ Memorial

Bring yourselves, your friends, your signs, and your moral outrage!

There will be petitions to sign, information to help you write letters to legislators and other ‘powers that be’, a PA system, and speakers to be announced. This is the real deal!

Why this rally?
To demand that the Governor uphold her promise to Alaskans to cooperate with the investigation set in place by the Legislative council, to demand the immediate resignation of the Attorney General Talis Colberg, who illegally told state employees to ignore subpoenas, and to demand that the McCain campaign remove their lawyers from their unlawful intrusion into the Alaska Department of Law.

YOWZA! Are you ready to be heard?? Woooo!

23 09 2008
daMama

Somehow I just cannot buy into the integrity of an investigatory panel that can be fired at will by the person they are investigating.

23 09 2008
strangelet

Cassie (Jeep Trout) —
The van Flein shooting happened in 1990. Van Flein got his JD from U. Arizona in 1989, so he was probably 24. I doubt that he thought of Branchflower as his “advocate” — the shooter emptied an entire clip into the two victims (and of course managed to kill his ex-girlfriend), and got two consecutive 99-year sentences. It doesn’t sound like it was a very tricky prosecution.

This is not intended to be an exact analogy, but my wife died in 1993 (at age 33), not from violence but from disease. Nevertheless, it had an impact on me. It still does. But the intervening 15 years have softened my memories. You do have to go on with life. My wife’s death does not affect my life much these days. (Her ABSENCE does have an effect on my relationship with my children, but that’s not the same thing).

So, for Tom van Flein: He’s just being a lawyer, a “diligent advocate” for his client. You can dislike our advocacy system of jurisprudence, but it does have some advantages over the known alternatives. I don’t know what effect being shot and almost dying has on you, but after eighteen years I think you just judge people on how they are now. I mean, if he was shooting his mouth off about one of the paramedics that saved his life, that might be strange; but this is not the case.

Of course, according to Andrew Halcro, van Flein’s law firm still has a contract with the State of Alaska. In California, that would probably be a conflict of interest, but in California the AG is elected, not appointed by the Governor, so I don’t really know what that means. Seems a little fish-like around the ethics angle, whatever the legality…

In my googletubing, I ran across this excerpt from van Flein’s legal bio, which I share for sheer weirdness:

Mr. Van Flein has tried numerous cases, both as defense and prosecuting attorney. For example, recently in March 2008 he and Mr. Tiemessen tried a four week jury trial in Anchorage before Judge Jack Smith wherein the plaintiff was seeking $5.5 million for the traumatic amputation of his entire leg due to allegedly defective machinery. Mr. Van Flein and Mr. Tiemessen represented the product manufacturer and obtained a complete defense verdict for their client Bowie Industries. He has successfully defended many health care providers, for example, getting the dismissal of all claims (without payment or settlement) against an orthopedic physician (Felix v. Dr. Hall, Case No. 3AN-06-6149 ), the dismissal of all claims against a surgeon (Malanaphy v Dr. Chennault, Case No. 3KN 06 904) dismissal of all claims against a radiologist (Barth v. Providence Hospital and Dr. Coyle, 3AN-05-9648) and many others.

In an earlier comment, I referred to “Lost”. I’d like to amend that, and refer instead to “Twin Peaks”.

23 09 2008
MinNJ

DeMo:
I already responded to this earlier, but let me say again and add some more. Before Campbell went to wherever she is now ( I don’t get cable,) she was in NY, and I saw her a lot, and she is very conservative. She graduated from Regis College (Pat Robertson’s group,) and her 2nd husband was an analyst for Fox News and the spokesperson for Bremmer in Bagdhad for the Coalition Provisional Authority. He wanted his candidate, Mitt Romney, to be the VP, so I don’t think she likes Palin at all. But she will turn her tune around in a minute against us if it suits her.

Just sayin’

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

@wired differently: Thanks your assistance is appreciated. Worked like a
charm. Awaiting confirmation email. The Deuce2.

23 09 2008
wired differently

Dang! Can you get a webcam on this rally and stream it so that the rest of us can participate virtually? Send Teach’s son up from Portland to set it up!

Deuce2: You’re welcome. Hope it works.

23 09 2008
protus

Yeah go ahead censor me.

But I am telling the truth!!!

Its time to Pay as you go!!!

Forget the bail out and let people LEARN!! what life is all about.

I have lived in the desert on nothing!

Soloar panels hauling water.

in az NO LESS.

aND YOU NO WHAT??

McCain has done NOTHING!! for AZ!!

N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blow off McSame and Screw Failin!!!!!!!

Time to pay the piper america youve been living off of other peoples grand children for too long!!!!!!!!!!!

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

protus: I agree 100%. Been there. Done that.

23 09 2008
otisNYC

@CalAl,
nope, no Anti Palin rallies that I know of. Most people I know are trying to ignore her!

@Suchanut,
hope the rally turn-out is HUGE! Want to hear a full report. thanks!

23 09 2008
Debbie aka Commando Coalfire Palin

Cal Al (17:41:50) :

The crisis of our nation and our constitution has woken me up form a misinformed complacency. Something else to be thankful for?
——I don’t have very good video feed to this computer as I am on dail up here on the mountain. But last night Bill Clinton was on David Lettermen he gave a good explanation of the problem and why in his opinion we should do this bail out with lots of strings attacted of course. It was very clear and easy to understand. Should be around on the internet somwhere.
I have heard several economists say that GW and company are doing this just to get through the next 40 days until the election. It will not solve the problem.
Luckily not only are the democrats not falling for it the republicans are rebelling as well. Because it appears GW and company have known this was coming for several months yet waited until the last minute to try to push this bail out through. It is thought in some circles that this is the October suprise, try to force the democrats into voting for something that is terribly unpopular among the voters (only 25% think this is a good idea) then turning around and saying it is all the democrats fault.
Barney Frank a great clear speaking senator portrayed GWs bail out plan this way. “Leave a trillion dollars in a paper sack by the side of the road or we will kill your economy.”
So what does this mean to us, 2/3 of us have some investment in the stock market, since the inception of the 401 k, the market is crashing and our retirment plans along with it. No one really knows if the bail out will even work or what will happen.
A small note of something I have noticed, the socially concious investment funds are not following the rest of the market into the toliet they are either flat or have risen slightly.
I fear this may just be the latest chapter in a book that started with enron, then folclosure, then oil, then stock market crash, not sure whats left.
Oh Times they are a changing.

23 09 2008
Cookie

gary: hello neighbor. Hampton Roads here!

23 09 2008
strangelet

Shiloh —
I pretty much agree with you that Obama’s “bitter — clinging” remarks were meant as an assessment, not as a slam. His timing, however, was not good. He made the comments at a fundraiser in the Bay Area, where neither guns nor religion are as popular as they are in some other parts of the country. This created the impression that he was talking smack about people behind their backs. It was poor execution. You have to assume that there is no such thing as a private remark.

BTW, I live in the Bay Area, I support Obama, I have no religion, and –while I do not cling to my guns — I’m happy to have them. If McCain wins, I’ll probably get a couple more.

23 09 2008
strangelet

Thank you, Commando Coalfire (quoting Barney Frank), for “Leave a trillion dollars in a paper sack by the side of the road or we will kill your economy.”

I missed that, and it’s perfect.

23 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Just have to go off course here for a moment:

Mudflats and the sign watch has made the pages of ONTD Politics:

http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_political/842985.html

So, absolutely happy right now that I’m going to go back and watch the sign!
Hope Obama knows about this. We are creating HOPE via a homemade sign.

23 09 2008
SMR

Two things to brighten everybody’s day/night:

Had to go out to Wasilla today. Saw one Obama sign (I would tell you where it is, because it’s a business & I think that deserves some support from us Alaskans, but maybe after the election when things cool down…), and NO McCain/Palin signs!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m sure that the icky signs are out there but it made my heart feel better to see that Obama sign in Wasilla! I had a burning desire to quiz the teens & adults that I saw in Fred Meyer’s (not the reason I went out there, just a stop) about their opinions, but controlled it.

The new Doonesbury strip about the Palin barbie doll is out of this world wonderful! I am thinking about blowing it up for my sign for the rally! Find it & stick it on your refrigerator!

23 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

protus (20:10:19) :

Yeah go ahead censor me.
But I am telling the truth!!!
Its time to Pay as you go!!!
Forget the bail out and let people LEARN!! what life is all about.
I have lived in the desert on nothing!
Soloar panels hauling water.
in az NO LESS.
aND YOU NO WHAT??
McCain has done NOTHING!! for AZ!!
N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blow off McSame and Screw Failin!!!!!!!
Time to pay the piper america youve been living off of other peoples grand children for too long!!!!!!!!!!!
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I’m right with you on this. I say no bailout. Let them all go under. My 401K money included. I have paid every red cent in my life but I say everyone just walk away from their debt too if they take the whole system down. They did it too us and they are getting no more money in the casino from me. Let it all go down. Identify every CEO, CIO, and COO and let them all hang and die penniless. It is time for Judgment Day in the United States. The Sarah Palin tactic was an insult. And now the no strings attached blank check trillion dollar bailout is an insult. This is fascism plain and simple. And I have had enough. No bailout. Hang. Take everything down if necessary. I’ll live in a Hooverville if it will cleanse the United States once and for all of this Wall Street criminal scum.

Have I made myself clear enough?

I SAY HANG THEM AND THEIR WIVES TOO!

23 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Oops…CFO not CIO! As a software engineer, I am against hanging Chief Information Officers…

23 09 2008
protus

YOu dont realize it???

401 k’s are a scam.

They tried to get SSI into the market to carry it further.

The market and our dollar is going DOWN!!!!

They will do anything to kept it floating!!

Americans PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You need to realize that you are borrowing from your Grand Children and those that come from them.

At this point we have to let it go.

Yes I know it might bring hard times, but that is the best thing you could ever do for your family in the long run.

They will borrow, lie , steal, what evewr they can to keep the charade going.

One day you will realize they aRE ALL CARNIES.

They only want your VOTE.

This it why Obama is different.

I want youy to think about this for a min.

He knew coming into this that 20-30% would not vote for him simply because of race.

Yeah I said it RACE.

OK, Anyhow this alone would have made 99.99999% of black men or even white men curl into a ball and fade away.

Obama has enough courage to stand up and take these odds regardless.

Now think about this as well.

He picked Joe.

JOE!!! when we all knew that there was a 100% WIN!

Sure he could have insisted she be VP, but she wasnt really 100% interested.

Yeah she didnt want VP.

Now Joe is willing to admit theres a better choicee, but he also knows she didnt want it.

Anyhow Barrack knows all of this and is willing to stand up and FIGHT for US!!

Yes! US! thats means You and me.

Why??

Because he believes America is tired of whats been going on for the last 8 years.

He beleives that you and me want to make our lives better and make America a better place for All of us.

So why pay higher taxes you RICH people??

Because WE here at the bottom support your wealth thats why.

You need us more than you will ever know.

If the market fails how will those of you who have benifitted from us feel??

When you have to haul water and live in 130 F without Air??

Yeah you probably cant even imagine that can you??

Well alot of us you look down upon have been there.

Its time, Its TIme for all of us RIch, Middle Class, and Poor to Admit that we need each in some way or another, And to stop hiding behind the falseness of our success.

If you can sit there and say you deserve everything you have earned then you are a better person than I will ever be.

I make $12 AN HOUR.

And I feel like I am getting too much compared to others.

I have worked the hard jobs for $14.50 AN HOUR.

But I can tell you this right now.

Many people in our country get paid ALOT more for simply catching the right breaks and/or having the time to goto school for a couple years.

PEOPLE!!! stand up for your fellow man!!!

This I have and you dont Ideal has got togo!!!

There was a time when people used to be trained on the job.

Until Equal rights happend.

Then they switched to college only.

And made it cost more and more and more……………

Anyhow tired of typing, I can Live in the Desert with nothing.

Can you?

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

@galwhohashadenough: That link is awesome. I feel privilidged
(possible misspell) to be a part of all of this. Found this site
the day Palin’s name was announced. Only 36 posts when I
started reading them. Thanks for that humorous link. Never
blogged in the three years that I have owned a computer. Now
I feel that I have found a new family. Love to share my thoughts
and feelings with people I know really care. The Deuce2.

23 09 2008
Sharon/California

Regarding some of the topics raised in these great comments ……

Have you noticed that it is mainly the female reporters who have found – if not their consciences – at least their voices? But make no mistake, it is more about their own careers than our cause. Campbell will turn on a dime if it means more attention for herself.

Speaking of investigations; Brian Ross, the ABC investigative reporter is conducting an investigation of Troopergate. They are looking for tips so AK’s with information, here’s your chance: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/BrianRoss/page?id=3247430

Hopefully, he will eventually have a segment about it on 20-20 or one of the other ABC programs. That might help because it might just possibly be seen by people who would never in a million years read anything as articulate as this blog.

23 09 2008
SMR

Here’s a link to the Doonesbury comic strip. I might get myself a collectible print…

http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/

23 09 2008
SMR

@Protus:

You are living the life that you’ve chosen, instead of being beholden to others. You have a supportive family here, keep posting!

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

@protus: RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

23 09 2008
Cal Al

@Coalfire Palin (20:25:08) :

Just when I started contributing to my 401K too….I am trying to make responsible choices for a future that will not depend on goverment bailouts…and then?

I admit that I am a complete idiot when it comes to finances. I live paycheck to paycheck and I have never invested in anything (except Barack)…

“A small note of something I have noticed, the socially concious investment funds are not following the rest of the market into the toliet they are either flat or have risen slightly.”..that is good some news.

These are heavy times…My hero at the moment is Schumer. He is really digging in his heals!

I read something somewhere that compared this bailout moment with the biggest poker hand ever.

23 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Investigation should go on according tp Rep. Jay Ramras, the Republican chairman of the Alaska House Judiciary Committee

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/palin.investigation/index.html

But Rep. Jay Ramras, the Republican chairman of the Alaska House Judiciary Committee, said Tuesday that he still has confidence in the Legislature’s investigation and said it should go forward.

Ramras called himself “a conservative, pro-life Republican” who is supporting GOP presidential nominee John McCain’s ticket. But, he added, “We all took an oath of office, and this is an important report to come out.”

23 09 2008
AZ MOM

Investigation #2: filed a complaint against herself and then asked that it be dismissed because it was “groundless”?? Wait a minute…I thought this was about Sarah Palin, not Sybill.

23 09 2008
Sue

I say don’t bail them out. And I say that if you have a mortgage with any of them, stop paying. If our gov’t. must give away my tax dollars, then give it to people who are losing their homes so that they can pay off their mortgages. This will help the regular people a lot more than a corporate bailout. I am tired of all this. My daughter is probably going to lose her home because of bait-and-switch tactics used by her mort. company, and now our gov’t. is going to bail out another rich corrupt corporation. Capitalism for the regular people but socialism for the rich. I hate it!

23 09 2008
MinNJ

DeMo:
correction, sorry, Regis University is Roman Catholic, Jesuit, and is in Colorado. My bad. Time for beddy for me, I think. Play nicely everyone. Zzzzzzzz…….

23 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

DeMo (19:58:08) :

I don’t pretend to know Campbell Brown’s political affilitation. I think she was doing her job digging for a true answer with Tucker Bounds.
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Is there any real Mudflats woman on this site sleeping in a nice flannel shirt in the Great White North who could stand to be married to this douche bag? I mean, really? Campbell Brown made this boy “cry Uncle” in that Amazon Interview on Day Three or something was it? Mopped the floor with this talking head clueless ideologue. I don’t know her politics, but she took it too this punk like a real journalist. For at least five minutes she was channeling Edward R. Morrow in “London Calling” in the Nazi blitz and I loved it.

We have tough women on this site, and I as a guy love it!

23 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

Here is the Campbell Brown rant on Sarah Palin.

She might be married to a Republican, but so is James Carville! Plus, she grew up a Democrat (her dad was a State Senator in Louisiana and later became Sec of State for Louisiana).

23 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Bi-partisan support for continuing the investigation
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/palin.investigation/index.html

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

@SMR: That my friend is a definite keeper. Why to go.

23 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

see
Republican lawmaker says Palin inquiry should go on
[http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/palin.investigation/index.html]

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

OOPS: MEANT WAY TO GO

23 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

after 23/ the link should end with [palin.investigation/index.html]

Rep. Jay Ramras, the Republican chairman of the Alaska House Judiciary Committee, said Tuesday that he still has confidence in the Legislature’s investigation and said it should go forward.

23 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

testing

23 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

sorry, i was having trouble posting.

Here is the Campbell Brown rant on Sarah Palin.

She might be married to a Republican, but so is James Carville! Plus, Campbell grew up a Democrat. Her dad was a State Senator and Sec of State for Louisiana.

23 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

sorry, i was having trouble posting.

Here is the Campbell Brown rant on Sarah Palin.

She might be married to a Republican, but so is James Carville! Plus, Campbell grew up a Democrat. Her dad was a State Senator and Sec of State for Louisiana.

23 09 2008
SMR

@HamletsMill

Re: marriage to douchebags —

I thought that too!!!!!!! There was that really icky guy who said that scarah would give interviews when she got the proper amount of respect & deference and I thought to myself he is soooooo gross & icky & republican looking and would any woman in a million years actually sleep with that guy? He was like a younger slightly less heavy Karl Rove. It was traumatic to look at him. My eyes! Go to my happy place go to my happy place go to my happy place… Truthfully, though, about Tucker, I thought he might just be maybe batting for the other side (is that how you say it?), so sleeping with him, for me, would not be an option. Which is okay, cuz I like my guys to have a bit of backbone (and integrity) and not look like they’re going to cry cuz a girl’s picking on him. I love my gay friends, got lots of them, and I’m pretty sure they would all say that they wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole, and that goes double for us girls.

23 09 2008
protus

OK got about a bottle down🙂

yeah its 80 proof.

Time for me to crash.

One last thing.

We need to get together on this.

Our Country depends on it.

There is too much at stake and too much coming in the future.

I Know too much and I hope some people will find out alittle more.

1,000,000,000,000.

look at that for a minute.

The Bush people want to take that without even giving a reason as to why we should give it to them.

AGAIN.

1,OOO,OOO,OOO,OOO.

yeah thats 12 zeros.

think about that.

23 09 2008
NMJ

Anonymous (17:06:41) : Bet the ranch !! (is 2 ok) ??

Yes, two is OK. Welcome aboard! Sorry to take so long to get back to you…had to go live my life for a while, ’til I could claw my way back. Serious addiction, here.

23 09 2008
protus

Good Night.

23 09 2008
BobbyG

BobbyG checking in. I see all is well. Carry on. I had a great night last night.

http://santafeandthefatcityhorns.blogspot.com/2008/09/sept-22nd-gig-at-palms.html

“President Palin”

The two scariest words in the language. I’m increasingly convinced that McCain has a brain met.

23 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

“This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper”. T.S. Eliot

23 09 2008
joy - fl

Great article and video related to derivatives which are the cause of this massive bailout attempt. They are trying to save the investment bankers (gamblers) and not home homeowners.
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/344995.aspx

we are being duped!!!!

23 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL (20:54:16) :

@galwhohashadenough: That link is awesome. I feel privilidged
(possible misspell) to be a part of all of this. Found this site
the day Palin’s name was announced. Only 36 posts when I
started reading them. Thanks for that humorous link. Never
blogged in the three years that I have owned a computer. Now
I feel that I have found a new family. Love to share my thoughts
and feelings with people I know really care. The Deuce2.
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Bless you brother. I found this place on Saturday morning at 10AM on P-Day+1. There were already two threads I think. People showing up in droves like infantry through a mine field being pulled to safety behind machine gun night sweep stick marked positions on the other side in a secure perimeter. Military perceptions of long ago kicked into my mind. I saw it as an almost life and death experience for some people getting here. That first weekend was amazing.

I did not start searching on the Internet on P-Day itself because I guess I was the closest to the epicenter of “THE DEBUT” – 28 miles from Falconi Field in Washington, PA (now called “Console Energy Field”) – and I spent Friday night in front of my TV in stunned disbelief trying to process the local TV footage.

Now it is three weeks later in the incredible maelstrom.

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

I don’t know how. Maybe someone can set up a debate watch. Perhaps we
can watch the debate and comment on it while it is on the air.
Just a suggestion. Opinions?????????????????????

23 09 2008
protus

OK guys.

Plain has cooked her own goose.

Start looking at McCain.

Double vision at this point😉

But McCain has dont Nothing and offers less than Obama for the people.

Look at McCains Real Record over the last 3 or so decades.

Has he reallly told the truth?? or done anything that helps Americans?

23 09 2008
Cal Al

@HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin (21:27:13)

Yes P-day. We will telling our grand kids about the straw that broke the neocons back…I hope

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

@HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin: Thanks. I started looking for Palin as
soon as I heard her name on TV. I found a pic of her when she was
voted Joke of the Rock on a local radio station in AK. She was
wearing a thong bikini. I saved the link but it was gone the next
day. SURPRISE–SURPRISE.

23 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL (21:31:45) :

I don’t know how. Maybe someone can set up a debate watch. Perhaps we
can watch the debate and comment on it while it is on the air.
Just a suggestion. Opinions?????????????????????
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Deuce2,

That is EXACTLY what we did here on Mudflats on the night of the RNC Palin speech. We Live Blogged it WORLD WIDE right here on Mudflats! It was the ONLY way some people could get through it worldwide on several continents. Some could only read the running blog commentary with their sound off at home all across the world. The only sound was of them filling their glass with Jack Daniels and various wine concoctions to try to hold on to reality. You can find the thread in the archives. AKM wrote a live commentary too to try to preserve everyone’s mental health. I guess it must have been like a whole lot of Montgomery Cliff’s in some planetary “Lost Weekend.”

I am sure we will Live Blog the VP Debate WORLD WIDE, now with even more people. Stay tuned!

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

MAKES ME REALLY SAD TO KNOW THAT JOHN RICH IS A REPUB.
USED TO RESPECT THAT MAN AND HIS MUSIC.
IF YOU AIN’T COUNTRY–YOU AIN’T SH!+.
COUNTRY FIRST MY A$$.

23 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

@joy – fl, you got it right. This is not about homeowners. It’s about bailing out the players. And getting more money to make more loans. The only way it might help any homeowner is by giving a buyer a mortgage to purchase a foreclosed home.

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Thanks HamletsMill, I’ll be looking forward to it.

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Someone please tell me how to post another comment before their
post. If that doesn’t make sense, I want to do what HamletsMills did
on his last post.

23 09 2008
LJP aka Revolver Trooper

HamletsMill,

Please, you’ve put a terrible vision in my mind. Tucker Bounds. Me. In the same room…

I think Campbell Brown is doing her job, indeed. At least some of these media people care about what they went into this business to do. But is this one bizarre election, or what?

23 09 2008
Walker

Do the laws in Alaska allow citizen’s arrests to be made under Alaska Statute 8.08.230?

23 09 2008
clop clutch palin

Love this blog. Thanks AKM. I was wondering if anyone saw MSNBC segment a couple days ago with Norah O’Donnell hosting; she had on the usual Dem/Rep couple discussing Troopergate. I apologize for lack of specific info, but I got in on the end. Dem was a guy, but missed the name; Rep was a woman (firstname?) Carpenter. They were going on and on about the investigation, and toward the end, the Rep brought up an article in SF Chronicle I think about Monegan’s past problems with ex-wife and charge of domestic violence. (She switched the discussion from T-gate to Monegan.) There was a flurry of shouting between the two supporters, with ND trying to end the segment, when this fembot Carpenter says something to the effect “How can you defend that wife beater.” Yes, she actually called Monegan a wife beater. And no follow up by ND, or, sadly no place else I’ve been able to find. If anyone finds anything, please post. Thanks all and keep up the good work.
BTW- shrill SWWNBN makes Hillary sound like Barrie White.

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Ignore last post. Figured it out. SURPRISE-SURPRISE

23 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL (21:54:35) :

Someone please tell me how to post another comment before their
post. If that doesn’t make sense, I want to do what HamletsMills did
on his last post.
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Deuce2,

(1) You highlight the text you want to reference with your mouse (left click and drag over the text highlighting it.)

(2) Right click and pick “copy” on the drop down menu or just PRESS DOWN AND HOLD THE CONTROL KEY and PRESS THE LETTER C to copy

(3) Bow click into the Comment Box. PRESS DOWN AND HOLD THE CONTROL KEY and PRESS THE LETTER V to paste the text in from the Windows Clipboard.

(4) Type a little line under it (- near 0 ) ————–

(5) Write your comment in reference to it.

(6) Then submit the comment.

BINGO!

I hope this helps!

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Deuce2,

(1) You highlight the text you want to reference with your mouse (left click and drag over the text highlighting it.)

(2) Right click and pick “copy” on the drop down menu or just PRESS DOWN AND HOLD THE CONTROL KEY and PRESS THE LETTER C to copy

(3) Bow click into the Comment Box. PRESS DOWN AND HOLD THE CONTROL KEY and PRESS THE LETTER V to paste the text in from the Windows Clipboard.

(4) Type a little line under it (- near 0 ) ————–

(5) Write your comment in reference to it.

(6) Then submit the comment.

BINGO!

I hope this helps!
THANK YOU THANK YOU.

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Forgot the line. WTF I learned something new. Never too young
even at 56 years young.

23 09 2008
NMJ

Bill Clinton on The Daily Show right now.

23 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

SMR (21:17:05) :
Spot on you fine woman!

protus (21:19:49) :
Get your self into bed. Easy on the libation. We need to keep you in shape and in good form. I enjoyed your posts tonight. You get a “10” on intensity. Absolutely spot on observations. We have been brutalized for eight years. F**k these people. I have had enough.

LJP aka Revolver Trooper (21:55:07) :
Sorry I did that to you! Like the Marshmellow man in Ghostbusters – don’t… think… of… Karl… Rove… himself. Ewwwwww. Bad mental image for you ladies here! Bad. Bad. Bad.

For therapy, let’s all have some music. Bed time for me. Thoughts of Dylan. I used to play this stuff.

I love this version. Roger McGuin looks just like my Grandfather as he did as a young man!

Goodnight all!

23 09 2008
Deuce2 aka: AXE DIESEL

Gnite all. Will shutup finally. Thanks for the opportunity to be
one of the many.

23 09 2008
NMJ

Clinton just said “Our party, Obama’s going to win!”

23 09 2008
Melba

Gnome O’Merkley
just got stolen from ObamaSign
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/obama-sign-cctv-1
2 girls in hoodies
i hope they look after him

23 09 2008
Meleana aka StagTunnelPalin

Thanks Melba, now get back to your post. The gnome is stolen. There’s a screenshot of her face. I’ll see if I can get it posted here

23 09 2008
Erin

My new favorite slogan, uttered by Cambell Brown: “Free Sarah Palin.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/campbell-brown-rips-mccai_n_128782.html

23 09 2008
Melba

Gnome pic prank in good fun

23 09 2008
chicago

Did you guys watch Rachel Maddow tonight on msnbc? It finally happened!

Iraq called out the Bush administration! Iraq Prime Minister Maliki said that the Bush administration asked him to extend the war in Iraq until 2011 instead of 2010 because it would be helpful to the Bush Administration for domestic politics.

The white house would not deny it when asked to by msnbc.

I do not see how the Bush Administration is going to get out of this mess. Or how McBush will either.

23 09 2008
add

Jan – from way up there in the comments – you are the BEST kind of teacher I can imagine. Rock on!!!

23 09 2008
In The Land of Disbelief

Alaska – the land of zero degrees of separation.

Attorney hired by the AK Personnel Board to investigate Gov. Palin’s complaint against herself is Tim Petumenus of Birch, Horton, Bittner and Cherot. Bill Bittner, partner of said firm, is Ted Stevens brother-in-law.

I’m sure it will all turn out just fine (she mutters to herself).

23 09 2008
Meleana aka StagTunnelPalin

The gnome guarding the Obama sign was nabbed tonight. Here’s the link:

23 09 2008
Bluedog aka Bash Budweiser Palin Jr.

This just in about Palin’s new Alaska ratings:

A friend got a look tonight at Alaska pollster Ivan Moore’s latest survey of Palin’s ratings from Sept. 20-22.

Palin’s favorability/unfavorability ratings are now 68/27.

That’s a big drop from a survey done Aug. 30-Sept. 2. Ratings then were 82/13.

Of course, I always wonder who those 68 percenters are, but the fact that her unfavorability ratings have doubled in her home state three weeks AFTER she was nominated as VP seems like a big deal.

Going to bed happy now that the universe seems slightly less surreal…

23 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

The latest WAPO-ABC New poll has Obama up by 9 points. The change is mostly due to the economy.

23 09 2008
Evie

First time posting. I have felt like I’ve been in a daze since Palin was named VP. Is she the devil? Since she was named the economy went from really bad to in the toilet. She doen’t speak to reporters or anyone else. How can ANYONE trust this ticket. McCain/Palin is so, so, so, so terrible. Why would ANYONE support this ticket.

NO MORE SECRETS. No more special deals for the Wall Street RICH! For fuck sake, do NOT bail them out! The GOP needs to tell the truth, which now even Palin has a problem with.

I am going back to crying about my bank account, my job prospects and my government. Everyone we were supposed to trust has failed.

Sorry, I know I am off topic, but I am TOO upset about this!!!

23 09 2008
Larry

It was mentioned on KUDO last week by a friend of the Palins that the illegal moose that was illegally killed by state trooper Wooten was gutted by Sarah’s dad. Also, he said that 1/4 of the moose was given to and eaten by Sarah and her family. I bring this up because the McCain campaign uses the moose incident against Wooten’s credibility.

23 09 2008
Evie

I can’t stop crying. Palin was a horrible pick. Please, please Alaskans put her in her place.

Doesn’t anyone wonder why the economy tanked after she was picked? No, it was because of the prospects of a President Palin.

I hope everyone sees the light and sees what kind of reality we live in! Palin is not and never will be someone who should be near a national office.

I feel like I am living in a bad dream!!! PALIN NEEDS TO GO!

Ok, I am going back to crying….

23 09 2008
AnneinWA

NMJ (22:12:19) :

Bill Clinton on The Daily Show right now.

Clinton just said “Our party, Obama’s going to win!”

NMJ

The Stewart Show tonight rocked tonight. Loved his lead in. After watching Clinton on The View and Letterman (where his support was VERY tepid) it was good to hear him say that he is going out on the campaign trail for Obama, just as soon as he finishes his Global Initiative.

You all can criticize Bill if you choose – I CERTAINLY HAVE FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS! – but there are MANY folks who love that man. And my opinion is HE OWES US his support…but I won’t start that rant again tonight.

Good nite and sleep well, Mudpuppies

23 09 2008
AnneinWA

Evie (23:44:06) :

I can’t stop crying. Palin was a horrible pick. Please, please Alaskans put her in her place.

Evie,

Don’t cry. The more this soap opera continues, the worse John McCain looks. She was shiny and new for a short time, but the lipstick’s getting wiped off that pitbull quickly.

As my dad would say, “THAT DOG WON’T HUNT!”

24 09 2008
mvngfwd

Phew! I just finished catching up on all the activity today! I love that everything I was thinking about today showed up here as if by magic. Great minds really do think alike. It has all become so surreal but we must stay vigiliant. Troopergate/Rick Davis/Tax Returns/Hijacking of AK by Mc/Press Ban and so on. Just keep the truth out there and demand answers…Obama will do the rest. Good Dreams to all…..😉

24 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

@Evie – welcome! You have found a safe, sane place. When McCain’s vp pick was announced, I freaked. With all the problems facing our country, a presidential candidate had just gone totally, publicly, raving insane. I goggled like crazy, found this site and a world of hope. So dry those tears, ‘cuz we have work to do.

Join the mudflats forum. People are planning activities all over the country (and abroad). You don’t have to knock on strangers’ doors. You can write postcards from your home. Donate some money. Keep informed so you can inject truth and reality in discussions about the election. We are not hopeless or helpless, and we are turning the tide.

24 09 2008
anon

Uh, excuse me, there is a big elephant in the room.

The legislative body that began the “investigation” (Legislative Council) does not have the authority to perform an investigation on the Executive Branch. An investigation of this type must be performed by the house or full senate NOT initiated by the Legislative Council.

Keep your eye on the case that is now before the court. Some Alaska Legislators are about to get a lesson on Alaska Statutes.

24 09 2008
From England aka Spoon Archer Palin

@ fixthebroken (18:56:06) :
This is BIG Big Big!!!!! Let’s see what happens now. I suspect Mccain will either have to fire Rick Davis or…….. pull out a lie big enough to break Pinnochio’s nose!

Mccain’s campaign manager took $15k a month from Freddie Mac upto last month, despite denials of this association by Mccain campaign.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/

Life just got better!

24 09 2008
GT

Prior Post:
//Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin (17:01:24) :
Has anyone here mentioned that the terms of Sarah’s co-operation with the Personnel Board were negotiated by her flock of lawyers?

Don’t be thinking the truth is going to come out of there any time soon.//

Get this: the negotiations included which search terms the investigators could use when trawling through digital documents, including Palin’s and others’ emails. The results of such an investigation will be as crackling as soggy biscuits.

24 09 2008
GT

Prior Post:
//Zim in Oz (17:10:25) :
@protus (16:57:53) :
>>>less than $400>>>

Damn is that all…!
I was hoping you would get more.

…But it does reflect how much the $700 billion would cost each person.//

$700 billion divided by US population of 305 Million is about $2,300 for every man, woman and child. This does not include the money that’s already been spent on Bear Stern et al. But, hey, you have the next generation to help you pay it off.

24 09 2008
GT

Prior post:
//LJP aka Revolver Trooper (17:48:30) :
Somebody above asked if this can backfire against McCain/Palin.

I think it already has. Campaigns are drip…drip…drip…drip…oh, my, the campaign is underwater!! Bail, bail….we’re sinking….//

Pailin-g water from a sinking boat?

24 09 2008
NY Dem

I loved the Kissinger thing, brief as it was. Sarah asked him some question about Georgia (NOT the Bulldogs) and he gave a rather in-depth reply, to which Sarah replied, “Good. Good”

She had no clue what he was talking about. Totally went over her head.

That’s when they ordered the cameras shut off and everyone out of the room.

24 09 2008
NY Dem

And later on MSNBC, they showed a clip of McCain walking to his car past a roped-off group of supporters. One of the scribes shouted out, “Is it now the ‘No-Talk Express'” ?

He just smiled and kept walking, but you could see the anger rising, and his face starting to turn red. Bet he really blew up once he was inside the car.

24 09 2008
Pradicchio aka Stepper Choke

Thanks again, AKM for your thoughtful and concise posts. I’ve forwarded this to my email distribution list, as talking points.

It’s early AM here in NYC, just heard that our Treasury Secretary can sleep again tonight, his GS stock held in “blind” trust went up over $10 in after-hours trading, Buffett bought a bunch for Berkshire-Hathaway.

Old boys, anyone??

24 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

‘ALSO May I respectfully suggest that all mudpuppies who are US citizens write their senators and congressperson (addresses are available on google and email is handy) to express their dissatisfaction’

I have written said letter of dissatisfaction to my congressman, Senator Chris Dodd (woot!!! GO CT). In it I noted that I would not be sending the same to LIEberman because he was in bed with the opposition!

O8AMA!!

24 09 2008
Kittitians for Obama

We love your website and all you Muddflatters, although we are far away, we consider ourselves Muddflatters too, as we are all championing the same cause…”Change in America”. As we say here in the Caribbean; whenever the US sneezes, we catch a cold. That is how much we are affected by the social and economic situation within the US. So we too are Fed up with the war, the state of the economy, the Bush Administration, and the Republicans on a whole.

This Palin woman seems like a real tyrant.

Love you guys

Obama/Biden for the Caribbean.

24 09 2008
disgustedfemale

George Wills has come out against McCain…both in his articles and on the abc roundtable…he is a smart conservative

Are not most of the interviews, emails and letters etc re troopergate public? I know I read many of them from the newspaper up there…and then someone here posted the blip phone call where one of her aides called the state police station…in the call he makes many comments re the investigation and asks them to look into the workman’s comp issue

we have started a letter to the editor campaign here…letters on every issue…now our small paper is very conservative, but as we are small they are starting to print some of them (sometimes we threaten to cancel our subscriptions…ha ha hit them in the pocketbook)…suggest we all do the same in your areas

they didn’t publish my article on Sarah though…too specific with details I think…just sent them one on the economy..hope it will be published

24 09 2008
JP

Does anyone know when the Personnel Board plans to report? Much as it would be tempting for them to give Palin the thumbs up around October 10 when the other investigation is due, could they still just hold it over till after the election, for fear that their acquittal would be rubbished in the press?

And what’s the feeling about the result? Total snow job, or slapped with a feather so they can say “sure there was something in it, but nothing serious – it was just a beatup”?

24 09 2008
Anon

Hey, someone stole my name and left a weird post. @01.44:55.
Well, I will find a new one. Don’t know who that person is/was but I hope they know that Anon means “tomorrow.”

24 09 2008
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24 09 2008
ana-mish-ana

Sky news just reported on this very interesting vid from Youtube. It features the witch-hunter pastor preaching praying that religion will overtake the government and in the 7 min mark two men prays over Sarah Palin.

24 09 2008
katiebegood

MJC (15:49:51) :
kid’s are off limits

Why, she hauls them out every chance she gets to use as props.

Did anyone besides me see her getting off the airplane yesterday holding Trig like he was a doll?

24 09 2008
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24 09 2008
Charles

ana-mish-ana: Yes someone has the goods on video of Muthee, the African witch hunter, praying over Sarah, purported non-witch. How is this going to go with mainstream Christian voters, even Fundamentalist voters, who consider such nonsense heretical? Not to mention, is this going to impress people who appreciate the fruits of the Great Enlightenment and even the Renaissance?

24 09 2008
ayerishgrl

Hi all…
Regarding live blogging during the VP debate… i need my mudflat friends to absolve my conscience. I made plans with a friend, thinking the VP debate was October 3rd, not October 2nd. Now i’m trying to get out of my plans, and my friend is not understanding at all! What should i do? I want to be here with all of you, commenting as the debate goes on… can anyone offer me absolution if i lie my way out of this? I know i know, i’m bad, but i have my priorities!

24 09 2008
Miss Boucheron

how about Investigation #3???

24 09 2008
Laura

TO: ayerishgrl

1. Absolutely, go with your friend – and have a good time. Friends are important. You never know what you might learn. (in the alternative you have to break your leg, or need a root canal, or get sick, or something unpleasant – not recommended)

2. Tape/tivo the debate. If you can’t, I’m sure we can get a volunteer for you.

3. Maybe even have a debate party the next week-end, or Oct 3, for others who missed the debate. That could be fun. Bring bells and fog horns to rant and cheer, as appropriate.

24 09 2008
Rubo

[i]Doremus Jessup (15:41:33) :

Why are we letting her skate by? As an Alaskan I am SICK & TIRED of this shit![/i]

You are to be highly commended for the work you put into this research. Kudos!

24 09 2008
Smitty


What can we in the lower 48 do to support Alaskans? Who do you recommend we write, call, email and generally harrass? McCain campaign? Legislature?
Where can our efforts make the most impact?

24 09 2008
ayerishgrl

Dang Laura, that was not the answer i was looking for. 😦

I can’t believe how addicted i am to this Sarah Palin saga…i’m so mad that i got myself into this mess!

24 09 2008
Jean

Hey fellow Mudflaters,
Just got this–PBS is doing a poll on whether Palin is qualified to be president. The conservatives have organized a campaign and they are currently ahead.
Please vote, and pass this on to your friends! http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

Jean In IL, aka Recoil Zoo Palin

24 09 2008
Torpedo Vindicator Palin

@ Jean

What the conservatives are doing is using automated programs to submit votes because the poll was not set up to detect more than one vote. Anybody can vote multiple – even hundreds or thousands of times. This is a dumb poll.

We need to complain to PBS that the poll should have been set up to detect one vote based on an email address.

10 10 2008
Diver Dan

Senator Hollis French is the right guy? I went to high school in Colorado with Hollis. He took my sister to the prom. Our Sherriff, Ferris in Summit County busted Hollis and another kid I won’t name, yet, with a huge amount of pot. French’s dad was our County Attourney. He and our crooked Sherriff covered the whole thing up and shipped the kids to Alaska. Hence Hollis in Alaska. He was a dipshit then and he is a dipshit still. I would take any conclusion he made with a grain of salt.

10 10 2008
Diver Dan

Looking at some of your comments on voter fraud, I’d have to say you need to get your facts straight. Virtually all voter fraud is Democrat. Dead people vote Democrat 80% of time. Even dead Republicans vote Democrat. Convicted violent felons vote Democrat 78 to 83% of the time. Duplicate votes are almost always Democrat as seen with the ACORN registrations. Show me one case where any of these machines the Republicans are supposed to be using has been found. Proof one has ever been used. Democrats get caught all the time, so you should be able to find the proof unless the Republicans didn’t do it or they are just way smarter than you Dummycrats. Try sticking to truth.

11 10 2008
Diver Dan

More truth you won’t like. The current financial mess started in 1977 with Jimmy Carter’s Community reinvestment act. A lousy law but it was not a disaster yet. Clinton revised the law in 1993. This unhinged home prices from inflation creating a bubble. Obama as ACORN’s lawyer sued banks in the Chicago area into making “politically correct loans” under Clintons revision. Banks nation wide were forced to make stupid PC loans. 2001 Bush warned Congress to get a hand on Fannie and Freddie. Did it again in 2003. In 2004 Republicans in the house tried to get control over the mess Fannie and Freddie were headed into. Barney Frank D Mass., Maxine Waters D CA, and Gregory Meeks D NY, along with a few other Dummycrats blocked stopping our current disaster. They did it on video you can watch from C Span. 2005 McCain tried to stop this disaster from happening with a bill he cosponsored. This time the was kept on it’s path to financial doom by Chris Dodd D CT, Chuck Schummer D NY, and some other lefties. Then there are the guys from Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and Countrywide. Herb Moses the Fannie Mae CEO who was having a gay affair with Barney Frank at the time. Jim Johnson the ex CEO of Fannie Mae who oversaw the downfall, and was one of the 3 people who picked Biden for Obama. Franklin Raines who lost the CEO job at Fannie after a 63 billion dollar accounting Boo Boo, and now gives Obama financial advice. There are more but who has the time. Democrats are at fault, Republicans tried to stop it. The people I mentioned above fought and blocked stopping it and Obama is up to his skinny butt in it. Before you go tossing comments around, check your facts.

11 10 2008
Diver Dan

Psycologically Dummycrats do no think using logic, tending instead to “think with my heart!” Facts do not tend to change their minds even when contradictory to their beliefs. This is a mental disorder known as cognitive dissonance. So in conclusion I’m sure you will go right on thinking what you want.




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