Bed Time in Alaska – Open Thread

21 09 2008

I’ve decided to continue on with the bed time open thread for those of you who would rather chat here, than at the Forum.

A couple quick housekeeping items:

Please don’t copy and paste whole articles or whole blog posts in the comments.  Because of copywright issues, please just post a snippet of the article, and include a link to it.

Also, it makes it easier if when you’re responding to someone on a thread, you include a snippet of their comment in your comment and then respond.  It makes it easier to figure out for other readers. 

See you in the morning…


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21 09 2008
Snoskred

Nite AKMuckraker!😉

21 09 2008
Marie

I am short on time …this may already be posted… please help!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/20/153952/268/395/603713

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/20/news/economy/treasury_proposal/index.htm

I am especially concerned about Section 8

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

Thanks for the blog AKM!

21 09 2008
Snoskred

Is anyone having any trouble with the forums as far as not being able to register, not being able to log in, slow load times, anything at all?

If yes, please email me at unlocktroll@gmail.com (that is unlocktroll at gmail dot com) and let me know about it.

I would hate for anyone to be missing out on the discussions there due to things which are easily fixable – that is, if I am aware of them.😉

Thanks all!
Snoskred

21 09 2008
Richard Nixon Bible Spice Palin From Perth

Bedtime? Never! Australia is still here.

21 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Marie (00:46:26) :

Ypu are not the only one having questions about the plan see HufPost

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/business/

It seems like the rush might not be as much of a rush as Bush and co. want. The whole splashing out of the announcement was to slow the panic down.

The important part of the HufPost piece is the link of the SEC inquiry – it appears that there may still be some manipulative forces at work in the financial sector. It also puts McCain’s attack on the head of the SEC in another light – if his proposal to fire the head of the SEC went through there would be no one there to effectively organize the inquiry. Interesting isn’t it?

21 09 2008
21 09 2008
Zim in Oz

Evening all, *winks* after my afternoon gaffes….. feeling much better now …

Been watching a couple of CNN re-runs…Joe (gorgeous) Biden Revealed and Jon Stewart International Version…(for about the 4th time…!!!)

I know we should not really discuss the frivolous stuff here and since most of the US is asleep maybe you will allow me go aff topic a bit.

Has anyone noticed how SP wears such unflattering attire ? She is (to some I am told) good looking, has a great figure and yet wears such ‘sober’ colours and dull clothes that do her no justice. Watching her this evening she looked as though she had been dressed by the Salvos (no disrespect….they do great work, just they are not in ‘the’ business)

Being an artist and having worked for a while in the ragtrade I tend to look at the whole visual picture. I would have thought ‘they’ would have tried to make her look more appealing with stylish colourful clothes to attract the female voters.

I am not being snobby here, I did not say expensive clothes.

To me, if I see some one looks good I am more inclined to listen.

Oh and BTW I always check out what Michelle Obama is wearing and she always looks very together.

21 09 2008
NY Dem

Still waiting for the Palin’s tax returns, And waiting…………And waiting…………..

21 09 2008
lower48nik

Since discussion has come up about how the vice presidential debates will have shorter answers and minimal opportunity for give and take, has anyone reflected on how this structure might prevent the American people from getting a look at anything except Sarah Palin’s ability to deliver zingers?

Most people don’t realize the extent to which the debate structure has been moved from a neutral forum managed by the nonprofit and nonpartisan League of Women Voters to a faux “commission” run by the political parties, complete with negotiating how the debates will be structured (in an effort to paly to candidates’ strengths and avoid their weaknesses.

Here is a link to an organization that provides some information on how the debates operate to work aGAINST the interests of the American people, but FOR the interests of showing candidates in a partiular light.

http://www.opendebates.org/theissue/

SNIPPET:

Every four years, negotiators for the Republican and Democratic nominees secretly draft debate contracts called Memoranda of Understanding that dictate precisely how the debates will be structured; co-chaired by the former heads of the Republican and Democratic parties, the CPD obediently implements the contracts, shielding the major party candidates from public criticism.

Such deceptive major party control severely harms our democracy. Candidates that voters want to see are often excluded; issues the American people want to hear about are often ignored; the debates have been turned into a series of glorified bipartisan news conferences, in which the candidates exchange memorized soundbites; and debate viewership has generally dropped, with twenty-five million fewer people watching the 2000 presidential debates than watching the 1992 presidential debates. Walter Cronkite called CPD-sponsored presidential debates an “unconscionable fraud.

The link to the actual Commission is here (try to keep a straight face reading the description where it describes itself):
http://www.debates.org/

Unless and until the debates insist on focusing on relevant issues and refuse to let candidates break debate rules (such as by talking over the time limit, interrupting each other and sparring, and changing the subject to talk only about prepared talking points), what we get is an insult to the intelligence of the electorate — but more importantly, we get something masquerading as a debate that is really an unpaid political advertisement.

In the primary debates this year, candidates were not permitted the same amounts of time to answer their questions. Candidate Chris Dodd (D-CT) created what was called the Dodd Clock, where afte the debate, the candidates were compared to see how much time each had received. Often, the results mirrored how the candidates were polling — there was no equal chance to be heard at all. Candidates were excluded from thd debates for spurious reasons like “has to have a rented campaign office in this state”.

I mention all this because I believe the VP debates are well on their way to becoming a three ring circus, and I suspect Sarah Palin is off the campaign trail so she can go sharpen up her barbs. If she can use the format to keep Biden on the ropes while we find out nothing about her ability to govern, her handlers will be very happy and the American public will be the losers.

At what point are people involved with these debates going to say, “enough is enough”? Will moderators recognize a circus when they see one and refuse to be the ringmaster?

I cannot imagine a constructive result from a debate that is rigged at the outset to preclude substantive responses.

21 09 2008
Zim in Oz

Yikes…

My post was nothing to do with the post and the link before mine….coincidental !

21 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Zim in Oz (02:29:05) :

Hi Zim,

I read an article which quoted her as saying that her style was deliberate – a way of de-glamorizing or de-sexualizing herself. It’s a while back so I don’t have a source. She has been referred to as having the B movie “kinky librarian look” – like she’s ready to transform herself from dowdy to sexy at the drop of a hat or whatever. I’m not sure how much of this is people reading into things and how much of it reflects reality.

I think there is a deliberate appeal to down-scale voters – people who react when others are “uppity.” The Karl Rove demographic tends to favor what Richard Nixon referred to as a good plain “Republican cloth coat.” I think this very definitely part of the message – versus Cindy McCain who appeals to an entirely different demographic. It shows the schizophrenia of the republican party – appeal to the super rich and to those who despise the uppity. However they both have a common sense of identity in they are marginalized by internationalist intellectual elites who resent them they are are white and desrve to run things – having been selected by God to do so.

I have to run to supper. I’ll be back in a bit.

21 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

A little editing

However they both have a common sense of identity in that they feel they are marginalized by internationalist intellectual elites who resent them because they are are white and desrve to run things – having been selected by God to do so. Note the continuing emphasis on martyrdom – like McCin’s captivity among the “Godless communists.”

21 09 2008
lemonfair

Snoskred:

I just haven’t taken the time to register. Have never done the forum thing before, and am a little daunted by all the (necessary) explanations. sigh. I’ll get there.

21 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

I just caught this published in yesterday’s NY Times, an op-ed piece, by Charles M. Blow (whom I’ve not read previously). Catch the new nickname which I highlighted:

“Mr. McCain, on Monday you repeated your delusional notion that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Now, the federal government is working on a deal to save that economy from collapsing. You have admitted that the economy is not your forte, so you could have used a running mate with some financial chops. (Remember Mitt Romney?)

But no. Who did you pick? SnowJob SquareGlasses whose financial credentials include running Wasilla into debt, listing (but not selling) a plane on EBay and flip-flopping on a bridge to wherever. In fact, when it comes to real issues in general, she may prove to be a liability…”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/opinion/20blow.html?em

21 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

@Marie,

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

This sounds suspiciously like the power that Chertoff at DHS has been given: the right to suspend any law of our land if he wishes to do so in order to “protect” us.

21 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

SnowJob SquareGlasses !!!

That’s one we never thought of!

21 09 2008
mizkay aka spackle camshaft

Someone posted last night about the Pakistan Marriott being bombed, and now I’m seeing pictures on Today. The timing of the bombing? The day of the new democratically elected President’s first speech? Just after the first ground incursion by US forces where? Too much info too fast! What is happening???!?

21 09 2008
Zim in Oz

@eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Thanks for the explanation.

Supper ? where are you ?

21 09 2008
STNY

http://digg.com/add-digg

Can you please add DIGG to your website so we can share this fantastic blog and all of the marvelous articles with everyone?

21 09 2008
Zim in Oz

@Susie in Jersey (03:29:29) :
you said>>>>
@Marie,
Sec. 8. Review.
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

This sounds suspiciously like the power that Chertoff at DHS has been given: the right to suspend any law of our land if he wishes to do so in order to “protect” us.>>>

Is the Secretary in this proposal definately referring to Michael Chertoff ? (Homeland Security) …pardon my ignorance…

21 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Zim in Oz, no, the text refers to the Treasury Secretary.

21 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

Zim in Oz (04:25:57) :

Tokyo – I’m eating late. I just finished and it’s 21:30

21 09 2008
eajphd Molten Contra Palin

@mizkay aka spackle camshaft (04:07:11) :

“Too much info too fast! What is happening???!?”

Everyone is interconnected and tuned to the 24 hour news cycle. The various plotters in different places see the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon and create chaos. This feeds into the “End Time” beliefs of extreme fundamentalism in both the East and West. It also ties in with the desires of these groups to induce fear in place of rationality. The whole thing is compounded by the “irrational exuberance” of the stock market game players that Alan Greenspan spopke of sometime back.

Power seekers need to induce fear and uncertainty so they can emerge as the strong leaders or the ones with the strong message. The great thing about Obama is that he goes in a very different direction. He has faith in grassroots activism and the ability of people to sort through stuff by talking and thinking about it.

The whole rush to instantly change the management of the economy is a point of concern particularly since it is putting more power in the hands of the people who created the whole mess to begin with. It looks like the gamblers and power players want to get away with their bluff (30 to 1 rate of leverage in investment banks) and walk way with the pot leaving nobody with any recourse to redress things.

However people can still take a stand and stop them – without having to knock over the whole house of cards that is the economy.

21 09 2008
Viv

Read an obscure article in Newsweek this morning online related to Pain’s pipeline with Canada. Seems they did not take the Canadian Indian tribes serious enough and this may cause years of delay and litigation, which the native’s lawyers are already lining up for in Canada. In other words, it may never get built. This is her claim to fame? Her expertise with energy? How come this lack of judgement & planning does not come out to the public? Unbelievable, but this is Palin’s Pipeline to Nowhere.

21 09 2008
Todd

The rally report on here made snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/rally.asp

21 09 2008
SK in Dubai

Let’s turn this around!!!

PBS has a poll that asks: Is Sarah Palin qualified to be
VP? Let’s turn this around….. You don’t have to give
your name or email address in order to vote. It’s very
simple.

Here’s the link:

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

21 09 2008
Zim in Oz

@eajphd Molten Contra Palin (04:31:17) :

Zim in Oz (04:25:57) :

Tokyo – I’m eating late. I just finished and it’s 21:30

LOL…I was just asking. (originally from Africa) I call the evening meal ‘supper’ also.
Here in Australia ‘supper’ is late night tea and biscuits….
It has got me into trouble once or twice…

21 09 2008
Grammy

Here is a very cool site – check out all the kinds of Obama buttons!

http://www.democraticstuff.com/SearchResults.asp

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

Grammy (05:11:32) :

Here is a very cool site – check out all the kinds of Obama buttons!

Good Morning from the Great Northwest USA!

Great find Grammy – the shirts are quite cool too!

I thought I would check-in on your conversation this morning – SnowJob SquareGlasses – gotta love it. Nixon as Palin’s fashion idol is one I hadn’t envisioned, but it fits. Yikes! The state of the economy – too early for me to think about my dwindling retirement…ugh! What an intriguing cyberspot this is…folks from NJ, NY, Australia, Dubai, Tokyo…having a civil conversation about the goings on in the world.

21 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Late night tea and biscuits, sounds lovely! Are biscuits what us hicks call cookies?

21 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Hiding in Plain Sight
Why is Sarah Palin granting so few interviews?

Mr. McCain’s selection of an inexperienced and relatively unknown figure was unsettling, and the campaign’s decision to keep her sequestered from serious interchanges with reporters and voters serves only to deepen the unease. Mr. McCain is entitled to choose the person he thinks would be best for the job. He is not entitled to keep the public from being able to make an informed assessment of that judgment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/20/AR2008092001763.html

21 09 2008
Zim in Oz

Lordy, Lordy, Lordy…. frightening.
(as I go to bed….USA it’s your watch)

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/09/was-sarah-palin-sent-by-god-to.html

21 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Zim (05:33:26) I will need another shower now. This is so frightening!

21 09 2008
Pradicchio

Just a reminder to all my new friends here on mudflats, please remember to donate as much as you can to the Obama/Biden campaign, there’s still time if you haven’t made it to the individual limit ($2,300 for the election round). AND, please donate some nice amount to AKM to defray the costs of maintaining this amazing blog!!

aka Stepper Choke

21 09 2008
Zim in Oz

@Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin (05:32:08) :
You said>>>Late night tea and biscuits, sounds lovely! Are biscuits what us hicks call cookies?>>>

OMG…we are really going off topic and loving it !

Yes….LOL…the ‘English’ language differences can be really amusing !

I might add that one of the things my dear husband loves about the US (been many times…) is that you have CAKE (sweet muffins) for breakfast !

21 09 2008
phoebe

@SK in Dubai
Just voted the current polll is 52

SK in Dubai

Just voted 52% say SP qualified 46 % say no….it’s just baffling. Are the repbs already tampering with the polls.

Group sign up for anger management classes will be a mandatory after the election.

say SP is qualified & 46 say no.

21 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

I am sorry Paulson needs to be fired!!! He is expecting the American people to fork over $700 billion dollars with no accountability? WHat a joke everyone!!! I thought this is what got us into this mess no accountability!!!

Paulson just wants to bail his buddies out with giving them grand ole boy packages so they can continue live in their big mansions and vacation homes!!!

We should be outraged America!! OUtraged!!!

21 09 2008
dove in canada

americans abroad remember to register to vote, and then vote

https://www.votefromabroad.org

http://www.fvap.gov/

you can use these websites to get started.
the first one was noted in an “Obama for America” ad in saturday’s globe and mail, canada’s national newspaper (globeandmail.com)

21 09 2008
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/page/3

Watching her deny to Gibson that she had ever harbored the slightest doubt about her readiness to take command of the world’s only superpower, one got the feeling that Palin would gladly assume any responsibility on earth:

“Governor Palin, are you ready at this moment to perform surgery on this child’s brain?”

“Of course, Charlie. I have several boys of my own, and I’m an avid hunter.”

“But governor, this is neurosurgery, and you have no training as a surgeon of any kind.”

“That’s just the point, Charlie. The American people want change in how we make medical decisions in this country. And when faced with a challenge, you cannot blink.”

The prospects of a Palin administration are far more frightening, in fact, than those of a Palin Institute for Pediatric Neurosurgery. Ask yourself: how has “elitism” become a bad word in American politics? There is simply no other walk of life in which extraordinary talent and rigorous training are denigrated. We want elite pilots to fly our planes, elite troops to undertake our most critical missions, elite athletes to represent us in competition and elite scientists to devote the most productive years of their lives to curing our diseases.

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

Cynthia, TX (06:04:41) :
I am sorry Paulson needs to be fired!!! He is expecting the American people to fork over $700 billion dollars with no accountability? WHat a joke everyone!!! I thought this is what got us into this mess no accountability!!!

Cynthia,
With all due respect, this mess didn’t “happen” because ONE GUY took his eye off the ball, and it certainly didn’t occur over night. You just repeated what McCain said last Monday…’If I were president, I’d fire the chairman of SEC’ (paraphrasing). Woo! It’s way too early here for me to jump into this discussion – I need coffee!

21 09 2008
Zim in Oz

LOL….gotta go to bed !

@phoebe (06:00:57) :
you said >>>SK in Dubai

Just voted the current polll is 52

SK in Dubai

Just voted 52% say SP qualified 46 % say no….it’s just baffling. Are the repbs already tampering with the polls.

Group sign up for anger management classes will be a mandatory after the election.

say SP is qualified & 46 say no. >>>>

I have just voted 10 x times ( vote back, vote back, vote back etc) and the numbers did not move….

Is the poll ‘fixed’ ?
Think so….

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

@http://www.newsweek
The prospects of a Palin administration are far more frightening, in fact, than those of a Palin Institute for Pediatric Neurosurgery. Ask yourself: how has “elitism” become a bad word in American politics? There is simply no other walk of life in which extraordinary talent and rigorous training are denigrated. We want elite pilots to fly our planes, elite troops to undertake our most critical missions, elite athletes to represent us in competition and elite scientists to devote the most productive years of their lives to curing our diseases.

Newsweek,
AMEN!

21 09 2008
SoCal Bob.

I’m against all these bailouts. Why not go after all the CEOs who profited with those obscene bonuses first. Why not turn a few of their homes in the Hamptons they bought with bonuses over to the American people. Trickle down economics, sure. After those at the top get done with their share of the cream not much trickles down. (sorry, I’m upset about this)

Obama and Bottom up economics any day for this taxpayer.

21 09 2008
Tom from PA

As I look at how close the polls remain, I am reminded of the headline in a London newspaper shortly after the last presidential election.
“How can 50 Million Americans Be So Stupid?”

This inquiring mind wants to know. Prior to the Palin selection, Alaska was polled at about +5 McCain. After the selection it jumped all the way to +37. The most recent poll dropped to +17. With Alaskan culture seemingly forgiving of its bad boys (Ted Stevens and Don Young), what would it take in the Troopergate findings and/or perceived tax irregularities in order to turn the state blue. Or perhaps I am asking for the impossible.

21 09 2008
DeMo

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/page/3 (06:06:40) said :
Ask yourself: how has “elitism” become a bad word in American politics? There is simply no other walk of life in which extraordinary talent and rigorous training are denigrated. We want elite pilots to fly our planes, elite troops to undertake our most critical missions, elite athletes to represent us in competition and elite scientists to devote the most productive years of their lives to curing our diseases.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Exactly. Eleanor Clift just appeared on MSNBC. She said that Obama has to be careful in the debate not to appear too professorial or cerebral. I get what she’s saying, but since when is smart bad?

We encourage our children to study hard, earn good grades and attend college. That’s what Obama did. He stands as an example for our children of what anyone can accomplish.

That being said, he really does need to offer soundbites. He might be opposed to the quick answer, but it’s what the audience wants to hear. Succinct answers. His measured responses can drive me up a wall, and I support him!

CNN aired a program of five former Secretaries of State last night. I encourage you to watch when it airs again. They all seemed to agree on the issues of the day, and though they were open about their support for “their” candidate (except for Powell), it seemed to me that they endorsed the approach of Obama.

Address global warming. Repair relationships with the international community. Prepare to talk with Iran, whether on a high level or low level, negotiations must begin.

It seemed to me to be a complete rejection of the Bush years. For me, since McSame is only Bush II, it was an endorsement of Obama. But that could just be wishful thinking.

21 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

AnneinWA (06:13:49) :

That’s not what I am saying. What I mean is as of this moment to have the American people bail out the CEO’s for having started this mess and then wanting us to bail them out is just plain crazy! I am sorry if ran my company into the ground would I be expected to run away with getting the SBA to bail me out with a loan? NO! We can’t sit here and think that Paulson and any of the leaders being in this current administration or in the past gets off the hook for this. I say no. We have to hold everyone accountable. But, to sit and allow Paulson and the rest to force congress to just pass this bill to include bailing out foreign companies is just crazy. I am sorry. Or maybe I am just not getting it.

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

DeMo (06:22:22) :
since when is smart bad?

We encourage our children to study hard, earn good grades and attend college. That’s what Obama did. He stands as an example for our children of what anyone can accomplish.

That being said, he really does need to offer soundbites. He might be opposed to the quick answer, but it’s what the audience wants to hear. Succinct answers. His measured responses can drive me up a wall, and I support him!

Demo,
I agree – many folks simply do not want detailed answers, not even to complex questions. We have been conditioned, by our media and fast paced life, to expect quick fixes.

I also watched the five former Secretaries of State last night and encourage you to watch when it airs again. They did seem to agree on the issues of the day, and though they were open about their support for “their” candidate (except for Powell), it seemed to me that they endorsed the approach of Obama.

21 09 2008
epic

re the PBS poll. Because there’s no verification this poll has no value. You were able to vote ten times. This is just bot v bot. Ignore it.

21 09 2008
Melba

More on
Palin’s silence
Ignoring subpoenas, Troopergate ripe for attack

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0921pagesep21,0,1329347.column

21 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Good find Melba!

21 09 2008
plwalsh

I tend to think Obama’s natural persona will play better in the debates now that we are in the midst of a major economic crisis. A calm, cool, collected candidate who seems to know something is going to look preferable to a hot-tempered old man who spouts beligerant soundbites, keeps reversing himself, and mixes up his government alphabets. You can’t just “bomb, bomb, bomb” Wall Street and the SEC to fix the economy, not matter what McCain seems to think.

21 09 2008
DeMo

SoCal Bob. (06:17:14) said:

“I’m against all these bailouts. Why not go after all the CEOs who profited with those obscene bonuses first. Why not turn a few of their homes in the Hamptons they bought with bonuses over to the American people.”

The answer just isn’t that easy because the problem isn’t that easy. It’s not only a matter of the rich abusing their station, it’s those who didn’t have the money taking advantage of loans to buy homes they couldn’t affort.

The problem is systemic and that’s why the solution has to be systemic.

Even if the CEOs were fined, they wouldn’t have the personal wealth to address the amount of money necessary to save the banks, lending institutions, insurers.

You might say that it doesn’t affect you, but it does. Wall St. has met Main St.

If you’re against the bailouts, be prepared to either stand on a bread line, or serve the people (our neighbors) who will be on bread lines. It’s that big.

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

SoCal Bob. (06:17:14) : I’m against all these bailouts.

Cynthia, TX (06:24:32) : What I mean is as of this moment to have the American people bail out the CEO’s for having started this mess and then wanting us to bail them out is just plain crazy!

Bob and Cynthia,
I am certainly not a “bail-out” advocate nor expert, but this is a complex situation. I recommend you read:

“Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics, and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism” by Kevin Phillips. He argues:

“successive administrations have imperiled the US economy by a combination of shortsighted policies and a trend against regulation. These include unparalleled credit card debts, the expansion of financial industries such as hedge funds, ballooning national debts, and deliberately altering statistics like inflation and unemployment to mask the accurate picture.”

He was on Bill Moyers Journal last Friday. You might want to catch it if re aired or read the transcript online. Amy Goodman also interviewed him and that’s posted at Democracy Now:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/6/bad_money_reckless_finance_failed_politics

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

@Demo

The problem is systemic and that’s why the solution has to be systemic.

Even if the CEOs were fined, they wouldn’t have the personal wealth to address the amount of money necessary to save the banks, lending institutions, insurers.

You might say that it doesn’t affect you, but it does. Wall St. has met Main St.

If you’re against the bailouts, be prepared to either stand on a bread line, or serve the people (our neighbors) who will be on bread lines. It’s that big.

Demo,
YES! THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE! be prepared to either stand on a bread line, or serve the people (our neighbors) who will be on bread lines. It’s that BIG.

21 09 2008
plwalsh

Wondering about the extent of those “credit default swaps” that Alan Greenspan loves and that sank Bear Stearns and AIG? Here’s a little quote from the Washington Post:

BOB MOON: OK, I’m about to unload some numbers on you here, so I’ll speak slowly so you can follow this.

The value of the entire U.S. Treasuries market: $4.5 trillion.

The value of the entire mortgage market: $7 trillion.

The size of the U.S. stock market: $22 trillion.

OK, you ready?

The size of the credit default swap market last year: $45 trillion.

KAI RYSSDAL: That’s a lot of money, Bob.

21 09 2008
Catherine aka Bullpen Cola Palin

@ Cynthia:

It’s a really complicated situation, but here are a couple articles from the Chicago Tribune that talk about it a bit.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-greed-analysissep21,0,7876159.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0921mccarronsep21,0,488924.story

They both discuss how there are so many people at fault that it is impossible to choose one place to put blame. It would be nice if there was only one group at fault, and nicer if the regulations that would have helped hadn’t been weakened or ignored in the first place, but you know what they say about hindsight.

21 09 2008
plwalsh

Basically, no bail out=no credit for ANYTHING for a VERY, VERY long time.

No mortgages, no business loans, no college loans, no home improvement loans, no constuction loans. NOTHING. Since the American economy basically runs on credit, everything would seize up.

Right now, everything is in such a panic, investors don’t want to take any risks at all. They are buying gold and foreign currency, treasury bonds— anything that will keep their money from evaporating over night.

We just better hope that the government can find enough cash to prevent this from happening without creating 1000% inflaction. The free market folks on Wall Street SCREWED UP in such a stupid, catastrophic way that tens of trillions of dollars could just go up in smoke.

The captain may have run the ship into an iceberg, but we’re all in the same boat now. It’s bail or sink.

21 09 2008
TheraP

Is Sarah Palin ready for First String? You decide.

Think like a Pro Coach might:

Despite chest beating and powerful statements of “Readiness” – Team McCain contends their “pit bull” needs special rules and special protection in a debate with Joe Biden?

Hmmmm…. Not ready for a “free-wheeling debate.” She needs special protection. Special Rules. She’s practically in a witness protection program right now – where no one has access to her. No press conferences. No free-wheeling events where she has to think on her feet and give the voters a chance to evaluate her thinking. No video of how she can actually get out there and show us her stuff!

Gotta protect the little lady, they do.

Now that’s strange. Is it true that… She hunts. She shoots. She can field-dress a moose. She pursues vendettas. Chases down bad books. Fires people right and left. Makes sure the raped must pay for any rape evidence. She’s one tough cookie!

But she’s gotta be protected from a debate. Hmmmmm…..

For the highest office in the land, the second in command isn’t even “ready” for the heat of a debate.

That, right there, should be a powerful sign. That lack of readiness to debate is the disqualifier!

The lady is ready to be benched. She’s not first string material.

Maybe not even ready for a first string bench!

21 09 2008
PDX MB

Does this bail-out language give anyone deja vue a la authorizing the war in Iraq?

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

plwalsh (07:04:09) :

Basically, no bail out=no credit for ANYTHING for a VERY, VERY long time.

The captain may have run the ship into an iceberg, but we’re all in the same boat now. It’s bail or sink.

plwalsh,

Spot on! So, at my age, given the choice…and watching my retirement account dwindle each day…I say. “BAIL BABY BAIL!”

21 09 2008
Apocalypse Now Palin

1. Will the Republicans try to keep the unfortunate people in Texas who had their homes destroyed by Hurricane Ike from voting like they did in Michigan to those who had their homes foreclosed?
http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote

2. There are still 250,000 people in Ohio without power as a result of Hurricane Ike. They have presumably been in a news blackout for over a week and know nothing of all the Palin revelations of the last 8 days. Mudflatters we need to get them caught up somehow!
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gKYpTVJkMh32PKmnSyBTSzHAyfYwD93AKSI80

3. TRUTH IS NOT A FUNGIBLE COMMODITY!

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

TheraP (07:08:04) :

Is Sarah Palin ready for First String? You decide.

TheraP,
There’s a VERY lengthy discussion on this subject on a thread from last night – “McCain Blinks – Palin Not Ready for Prime time”

21 09 2008
Rust Mustang Palin

Just read NYT. According to Nicholas Kristof, still almost one-third of voters believe Obama is a Muslim or believe he could be. Many conservative Christian radio stations are pushing the idea that Obama may be the anti-Christ. Frank Rich tells us the McCain campaign apparently has convinced half the country that Obama will raise their taxes.

The Palin matter is of undoubted consequence. At the same time, as folks on this blog realize (realise for our English-english speakers), we can neither get complacent nor too narrowly focussed, or, I may add, succumb to fear, which I well might without all of you to keep me going. Thanks.

21 09 2008
plwalsh

Here’s the problem with these “derivatives” that Warren Buffet has called “weapons of mass desctruction” for the economy.

You make an investment in a business, the business fails, you lose your investment. You make an investment in derivatives, the derivatives go bad, you lose potentially THOUSANDS of times your investment. In fact, it may take years before you even know how much you have lost. Long after you have lost your very last penny, people may still be sending you bills for that bad investment.

Hard as it is to believe, there were no financial requirements for selling credit default swaps. That apparently means you could guarantee billions in loans when your company had, say, $9.95 in assets. Meanwhile, the company buying the swaps says, hey, we don’t need to worry about making risky loans. We bought these credit default swaps to insure us in case our loans go bad on us.

As long as the original loans were good, you just collected your fees and were golden. But once the loans started going back, people started sending you bigger and bigger bills for those credit swaps.

So the company that sold the credit default swap runs out of money fast. The banks that insured their loans with the swap won’t get their money and at the same time they won’t be able to pay the people THEY sold swaps to. THOSE banks won’t get the money to cover THEIR bad loans so they can’t cover THEIR swaps and … You get the picture. The whole house of cards starts to collapse.

I know it is hard to believe that people could be so incredibly stupid, but there we are.

21 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

Todd (04:56:43) :

The rally report on here made snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/rally.asp

I checked out the Snopes entry and it claimed that the pro-Palin rally was bigger (while also reporting that the crowd was estimated to be 1500 and the anti-Palin crowd was physically counted at 1400.

So I told them off and sent them a pic of tiny pro-Palin rally – together with crowd estimates of people who were actually there.

ha!🙂

21 09 2008
Gina

PDX MB (07:09:49) :

Does this bail-out language give anyone deja vue a la authorizing the war in Iraq?

Yes, PDX – it’s another crisis. Both situations caused great fear in the public, and that’s when the executive branch can make decisions that ultimately result in unprecedented power. Before anyone really notices.

21 09 2008
Oragone

I agree it’s bail or sink, but to give the bail to one person, without any oversight is asking for more of the same.

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

plwalsh (07:18:12)
So the company that sold the credit default swap runs out of money fast. The banks that insured their loans with the swap won’t get their money and at the same time they won’t be able to pay the people THEY sold swaps to. THOSE banks won’t get the money to cover THEIR bad loans so they can’t cover THEIR swaps and … You get the picture. The whole house of cards starts to collapse.

plwalsh (07:18:12)
Add to that, the “Las Vegas” factor – that the markets also allowed traders to “bet against their own investments for profit” – and it makes my head spin!

I am outta here for a little time with my animals…and the Sunday talking heads.

21 09 2008
DeMo

plwalsh (07:04:09) said:

Basically, no bail out=no credit for ANYTHING for a VERY, VERY long time.

No mortgages, no business loans, no college loans, no home improvement loans, no constuction loans. NOTHING.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I can’t agree that this is the answer.

No mortgage? Where will people live? We’ll have empty homes with people living under bridges. Well, people could rent the homes. But from whom? Someone has to own the house or apt. in order to rent it.

No college loans? We could have a generation of people who don’t have an education that would permit them to contribute to the economy. We’ll have lots of laborers, with no work to do because you also suggest no new construction and no business loans. Without business and construction, how will people find employment?

The gov’t has to buy the mortgages and will later sell them at a lower rate.

This isn’t something created by the rich. Everyone contributed. Every person who charge too much on their credit card is a piece of the puzzle. Each time someone took a mortgage by putting down 20% and didn’t review the mortgage rate schedule for the remaining 80% contributed to their inability to pay the ballooning rates.

Every person who invested in the stock market without understanding how it works engaged in legalized gambling. “I want a piece of the pie.” Everyone should have a piece of the pie, but find out what the ingredients are. You might taste a cake you think is delicious, but you don’t attempt to bake it without knowing the cooking directions. If you do, the cake tastes very different.

Right now, we’ve all got a bitter cake on our plate. But the gov’t has to help us, regulate the economy and ignore the shouts of those who say they want a home, business, whatever, when they don’t have the income or understanding to support what they want.

We HAVE to educate ourselves. We can’t just be consumers who see something pretty, put it on a credit card and pay cost prohibitive interest rates. Why do people fail to understand that if you buy something for X amount of dollars on credit and pay it out over time, people are paying MORE for that item?

Yes, Wall St. screwed up. Big time. But so did the folks on Main St. Greed got the best of all of us and we’re all going to have to pay.

21 09 2008
ocliberal

What a grim week this has been. I’m still very, very suspicious of this trillion dollar bailout.

I think there are so many details we aren’t privy to. I wonder how involved foreign interest aka the Chinese are behind the decision. I just don’t trust the Republicans on ANYTHING. I don’t believe anything they say and I know they don’t give a crap about middle America so who’s asses are they saving? (Rhetorical question.)

I’m happy Obama is ahead in the polls but I find it distressing and disturbing that it takes a crisis of this magtitude to push him ahead a few points.

I am saddened by this article citing how very alive racism is and how 1/2 of Demorats still habor negative views towards blacks.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26803840

I know Barack Obama needs to be ahead by 10 or more points going in to have a chance to make it close.

All this political stuff is heady and exciting but this week as been such a reality check the real facts that we are facing some grim times.

Just musings…

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

Oragone (07:23:52) :

I agree it’s bail or sink, but to give the bail to one person, without any oversight is asking for more of the same.

Oragone (07:23:52) :
AGREED! The idea of total deregulation (unless we’re willing to take our lumps when they occur) is frightening. There must be reasonable regulation with oversight. No more Phil Gramm economics!

21 09 2008
ocliberal

Sorry for the typo above. It’s 1/3 of Democrats not 1/2 who still harbor negative view towards blacks…

And this is why I do better in the other forum. My fingers never type what my brain tells them too. I NEED edit features.

21 09 2008
DeMo

Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin (07:20:12) :

Todd (04:56:43) :

The rally report on here made snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/rally.asp

I checked out the Snopes entry and it claimed that the pro-Palin rally was bigger (while also reporting that the crowd was estimated to be 1500 and the anti-Palin crowd was physically counted at 1400.

So I told them off and sent them a pic of tiny pro-Palin rally – together with crowd estimates of people who were actually there.

ha!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good for you! Well done! People rely on Snopes for accurate info. And now you’ve given it to them. Fantastic!

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

DeMo (07:25:19) :

plwalsh (07:04:09) said:

Basically, no bail out=no credit for ANYTHING for a VERY, VERY long time.

No mortgages, no business loans, no college loans, no home improvement loans, no constuction loans. NOTHING.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I can’t agree that this is the answer.

DeMo,

I think what plwalsh was saying is that will be the REALITY if there are no bail outs, correct? Not the “answer” but the economic reality of doing NOTHING.

21 09 2008
plwalsh

DeMo:

Yeah, if we can’t fix this thing, we WILL have empty houses and people living under bridges. Go back and take a look at all those photos of the Great Depression.

In fact, this is already going on– people are living in their cars and RVs while their foreclosed houses stand empty getting vandalized and used for meth labs.

I agree this mess wasn’t created only by the rich, but it was created MOSTLY by the rich. It wasn’t the people buying electicity or stock in Enron that created the screwy financial entities and accounting fraud that sank the company. THOSE Enron execs KNEW what they were doing and LIED about it and did everything they could to hide the truth from the public. That’s why they went to jail. Wall Street has been doing pretty much exactly the same thing.

There is plenty of blame to spread around for the mess in the economy, but it shouldn’t be spread evenly.

21 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

plwalsh (07:18:12)

I know it is hard to believe that people could be so incredibly stupid, but there we are.

They probably aren’t any more stupid than anyone else, they just let greed be their only motivator. Couldn’t see sense for the fire in their eyes, I’ll bet. And the tragedy is most of them were already obscenely wealthy.

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

ocliberal (07:28:36) :
Sorry for the typo above. It’s 1/3 of Democrats not 1/2 who still harbor negative view towards blacks…

ocliberal,
fivethirtyeight.com had a great article about this posted yesterday – about Race Based Voting and the validity of this particular poll.

21 09 2008
plwalsh

Annie:

Yes, NO credit in U.S. financial markets would be the probable result of having NO bailout. Investors would do everything they could to move their capital to safer markets. They need to know there isn’t just a big black hole out there.

21 09 2008
RW

Need sign ideas.

I’m going to a rally at the capital building in Denver, that is an anti McCain/Palin rally.

I think I want a sign that makes fun of them being mavericks.

Any ideas? It’s got to be short, simple, and make a statement.

21 09 2008
DeMo

“There must be reasonable regulation with oversight. No more Phil Gramm economics!”

Amen! And who was McCain’s economic advisor until he called Americans whiners? Phil Deregulate Gramm.

I can only hope that the American voter learns about economic issues. Short of that, I hope they punish the party in power.

21 09 2008
Gina

I never knew this:

A maverick is an unbranded range animal, especially a motherless calf; it can also mean a person who shows independence of thought or action; a lone dissenter; a non-conformist or rebel. The word is derived from the name of Samuel Augustus Maverick (1803-70), a Texas rancher who refused to brand his cattle. (From Wikipedia)

21 09 2008
Fred

Having a good laugh reading this preview of the vice presidential debate, with Palin and Biden’s likely answers to tricky questions.

http://tunc.biz/Vice_Presidential_Debate_Palin_Biden.htm

My worry is that Biden might look too polished. Palin might score points by not knowing anything and making it seem an asset.

21 09 2008
plwalsh

Aussie:

Yes, actually I think Wall Street WAS a lot stupider than anyone else. Anyone with common sense looking at the facts could see that what Wall Street doing was crazy.

Stupidity isn’t the same thing as lack of intelligence. There’s this thing called hubris. When you think you are so much smarter than everyone else, that you can game the system and never get burned, that you have found the way to the “sure thing,” you are surely heading for a fall.

When you look at the NINJA mortgages (no down payment loans made to people with No Income, No Job, and No Assets) that these people made, you just have to throw up your hands and say WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!? And that isn’t even to mention mortgage backed securities rated as AAA and credit default swaps. I clutch my head.

21 09 2008
Jane

Love this website and all your comments. Thank you for posting the truth. McCain/Palin should give us all a headache, neither one is ready to lead. And McCain Campaign setting the agenda for the debates is unfair and outrageous.
Read you constantly and forward this blog to everyone.

21 09 2008
plwalsh

True. A maverick is a pig-headed cow that got lost.

21 09 2008
RW

People often root for the underdog – to Biden has to be careful, and still be respectful

21 09 2008
plwalsh

I don’t think Palin comes across as an underdog at this point. She threw that status away with her snarky convention speech. Since then she’s been a hot mama cruzin’ for a bruzin’.

21 09 2008
Gina

plwalsh (07:43:08) :

True. A maverick is a pig-headed cow that got lost.

You said it!!

21 09 2008
Deb

RW-
Where/when is anti-Palin rally in Denver?

21 09 2008
DeMo

It’s ticking me off to no end that the McCain camp has arranged a meeting between Palin and Karzai of Afghanistan prior to the debate. You gotta’ know she’s going to throw out his name. “Just this week, President Karzai said to me…” Yeah, like she has an ongoing relationship with him that spans years.

I used to live in a building where a lot of UN diplomates lived. We exchanged pleasantries in the elevator. Maybe McCain should have chosen me. I have, after all, had more (more being a relative term) interactions with foreign dignitaries.

Since Biden isn’t permitted to address Palin, I sure hope that Ifill will have follow-up questions for Palin’s soundbites. I can only hope she will demand substantive answers from the cheerleader. As a matter of fact, let Ifill do it. Better than Biden being seen as the mean Washington insider who attacked the lovely Governor.

21 09 2008
Anon

RW. in terms of good sign slogans for a Denver anti-Palin rally:

I think on several blog polls, based on the signs of our brilliant Alaskan sisters and brothers in their anti-Palin Alaskan rally, these two slogans were highly ranked:
Unable and unstable
Incontinent and Incompetent

Or, for Denver: Go Broncos, not faux Mavericks!
McCain & Palin = Beer Bullies

21 09 2008
Deb

DeMo-
Mark my words, it won’t matter WHAT Biden says, we are sure to hear the word “sexist” attributed to him after the debate.
Is actually GOOD that he can’t address her directly, because he can talk ABOUT her without talking TO her.

21 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule Revlon Red Palin

plwalsh, we have a similar ‘mortgage’ here, but it’s usually funded by the vendor and isn’t common.

I don’t know which is the bigger crime: giving a loan to someone who can’t service it – or selling that loan to some other sucker.

21 09 2008
Anon

Rust Mustang wrote: “Just read NYT. According to Nicholas Kristof, still almost one-third of voters believe Obama is a Muslim or believe he could be. Many conservative Christian radio stations are pushing the idea that Obama may be the anti-Christ. Frank Rich tells us the McCain campaign apparently has convinced half the country that Obama will raise their taxes.”

When we were canvassing yesterday in western PA, we heard one team encountered that Muslim smear. Some man refused to believe that Obama was a Christian. Just. Would. Not. Budge. We did not encounter that on our path. However, I think some of that is just racism, wrapped in “Christian” sheepskin.

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

RW (07:37:47) :
Need sign ideas.

RW – The “mean me” seems to have awakened today. I kinda like

INCONTINENT/INCOMPETENT

Sorry…couldn’t resist!

21 09 2008
Rust Mustang Palin

Gina:
“Samuel Augustus Maverick (1803-70), a Texas rancher who refused to brand his cattle. (From Wikipedia)”

My understanding is that this allowed Mr. Maverick to claim ALL unbranded cattle as his own. As in, McCain the Maverick who claims as his own the slogan of Change, and that’s just for starters!

21 09 2008
21 09 2008
plwalsh

The problem in the U.S. hasn’t been so much with sub-prime loans but with the quantity of them. If you are an investor with plenty of standard, performing mortgages, you can afford to make a small number of risker ones for higher returns. The problem here is that people thought they could hedge more and more risk with derivatives that were hedged with more and more risky derivatives that were hedged with still more still more risky derivatives.

Eventually you have a lot more risk than solid capital. It’s like building a McMansion on a foundation of waterbeds.

That’s where those pesky, nagging regulators should have come in and said “are you CRAZY!!?!” But there weren’t any.

21 09 2008
Anon

Re: racism in general with this campaign. I encountered several people who told me, when I was at their door, that they were going to vote for Obama, but that they were too scared to announce it to their neighbors (with a bumper sticker or a sign, for example), for fear of retribution.

So, based on this anecdotal experience above, I posit this theory: Perhaps there will also be many people who “secretly” vote for Obama. Truly, I think it’s a factor.

21 09 2008
RW

Anon and AnneinWA

Excellent! Thanks!

21 09 2008
plwalsh

Anon:

True, people will secretly vote for Obama but probably people will secretly vote against him, too, for related reasons. The racism in this race has mostly stayed under the surface but it is still there.

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

plwalsh (08:06:30) :
Eventually you have a lot more risk than solid capital. It’s like building a McMansion on a foundation of waterbeds.

That’s where those pesky, nagging regulators should have come in and said “are you CRAZY!!?!” But there weren’t any.

Thank you once again Phil “We’ve become a nation of whiners…in a mental recession Gramm! circa 1999

21 09 2008
TheraP

Thank you Anne in Washington. (Love your state!)

21 09 2008
Anon

Well, plwalsh, we only canvassed 250 people in western PA, but we were heartened by how many people told us it was going to be their first time to vote for a Dem, EVER.

And this was in a county that is not going to go for Obama; the campaign already knows this, and is hoping for SOME rural votes to help add to what the big cities will bring to Obama-Biden tallies in PA. So this is a Republican county in western PA.

21 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

Good Morning Everyone!!

In the thread below this one , someone suggested that they thought it was time for a repeat of the list of the various media contacts since there are so many new Mudflatters.

I’m going to post my accumulation again and would like to suggest that people either copy it or bookmark this thread to keep it handy. It’s a very long list:

ABC News
77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-7777
General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com
Nightline: nightline@abcnews.com
20/20: 2020@abc.com

CBS News
524 W. 57 St., New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-975-4321
Fax: 212-975-1893
CBS Evening News: evening@cbsnews.com
The Early Show: earlyshow@cbs.com
60 Minutes II: 60minutes@cbsnews.com
48 Hours: 48hours@cbsnews.com
Face The Nation: ftn@cbsnews.com

CNBC
900 Sylvan Avenue, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632
Phone: (201) 735-2622
Fax: (201) 583-5453
Email: info@cnbc.com

CNN
One CNN Center, Box 105366, Atlanta, GA 30303-5366
Phone: 404-827-1500
Fax: 404-827-1784

Fox News Channel
1211 Ave. of the Americas, New York, NY 10036
Phone: (212) 301-3000
Fax: (212) 301-4229
comments@foxnews.com
List of Email addresses for all Fox News Channel programs
Special Report with Brit Hume: Special@foxnews.com
FOX Report with Shepard Smith: Foxreport@foxnews.com
The O’Reilly Factor: Oreilly@foxnews.com
Hannity & Colmes: Hannity@foxnews.com, Colmes@foxnews.com
On the Record with Greta: Ontherecord@foxnews.com

MSNBC/NBC
30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10112
Phone: (212) 664-4444
Fax: (212) 664-4426
List of Email addresses for all MSNBC/NBC news programs
Dateline NBC: dateline@nbc.com
Hardball with Chris Matthews: hardball@msnbc.com
MSNBC Reports with Joe Scarborough: joe@msnbc.com
NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams: nightly@nbc.com
NBC News Today: today@nbc.com

PBS
2100 Crystal Drive, Arlington VA 22202
Phone: 703-739-5000
Fax: 703-739-8458
The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer: newshour@pbs.org

The Los Angeles Times
202 West First Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Phone: 800-528-4637 or 213-237-5000
Fax: 213-237-4712
L.A. Times Contact Information by Department
Letters to the Editor: letters@latimes.com
Readers’ Representative: readers.rep@latimes.com

The New York Times
620 8th Ave., New York, NY 10018
Phone: 212-556-1234
D.C. Bureau phone: 202-862-0300
Fax: 212-556-3690
Letters to the Editor (for publication): letters@nytimes.com
Write to the news editors: news-tips@nytimes.com
Corrections: senioreditor@nytimes.com

USA Today
7950 Jones Branch Dr., McLean, VA 22108
Phone: 703-854-3400
Fax: 703-854-2078
Letters to the Editor: editor@usatoday.com
The Wall Street Journal
200 Liberty St., New York, NY 10281
Phone: 212-416-2000
Fax: 212-416-2658
Letters to the Editor: wsj.ltrs@wsj.com
Comment on News Articles: wsjcontact@dowjones.com

The Washington Post
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Phone: 202-334-6000
Fax: 202-334-5269
Letters to the Editor: letters@washpost.com
Ombudsman: ombudsman@washpost.com

Newsweek
251 W 57th Street, New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-445-4000
Fax: 212-445-5068
Letters to the Editor: letters@newsweek.com

Time
Time & Life Bldg., Rockefeller Center, 1271 6th Ave., New York, NY 10020
Phone: 212-522-1212
Fax: 212-522-0003
Letters to the Editor letters@time.com

U.S. News & World Report
1050 Thomas Jefferson St., Washington, DC 20007
Phone: 202-955-2000
Fax: 202-955-2049
Letters to the Editor letters@usnews.com

Associated Press
450 West 33rd St., New York, NY 10001
Phone: 212-621-1500
Fax: 212-621-7523
General Questions and Comments: info@ap.org

Reuters
Three Times Square, New York, NY 10036
Telephone: 646-223-4000

United Press International
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Telephone: 202-898-8000
FAX: 202-898-8048
Comments and Tips: tips@upi.com

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mtp@nbc.com

2020@abc.com
nightline@abcnews.com
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21 09 2008
plwalsh

Anon:

That’s good news. When you think about it, it’s pretty amazing that Obama is even the nominee, let along that close to being president. I can remember when blacks couldn’t even stay at the same hotels as the white convention delegates.

21 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

SoCal Bob. (06:17:14) said:

“I’m against all these bailouts. Why not go after all the CEOs who profited with those obscene bonuses first. Why not turn a few of their homes in the Hamptons they bought with bonuses over to the American people.”
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How about a viral video or political ad of American families scurrying across the snow pack while investment bankers in helicopters lean out on the rails and shoot at them with high powered rifles? With this we get the voice over of McCain’s and Palin’s insipid economic statements as families scurry and shot after shot is taken.

In a second viral video or political ad, a Jimmy Stuart/Gary Cooper total frontiersman archetype trying to protect his family (how about even a buckskin fringed jacket too!) seeking cover inside a tree line takes steady aim and shoots back at the hunting helicopter with his rifle. The helicopter is hit and starts to stutter out of control. The pilot struggles with the controls. Two investment banker CEO’s smoking cigars holding their rifles say “Hey. Don’t look at us for any help, we’ve got golden parachutes. Hahaha” They bail out to safety as we follow the helicopter into the ground. Voice over. “I’m John McCain and I approve this message.”

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

TheraP (08:13:19) :

Thank you too! I enjoy a good discussion and need to vent – seems like many of us do!

**off topic**
Where do you live? I was raised in sunny California, but after 30+ years in Washington, this is my home. It is a beautiful state – we can see Mt Rainier from our home and it’s a beauty! It’s always green here, but of course, that’s an indication that it RAINS A LOT!

21 09 2008
Rust Mustang Palin

Anon
“I have encountered several people who told me, when I was at their door, that they were going to vote for Obama, but that they were too scared to announce it to their neighbors…”

I have run into people who were afraid to say they were voting Democrat standing on their doorsteps, but have called campaign headquarters later to admit to their fear and to set the record straight. Enough of them to counteract the opposite phenomenon–fear of sounding racist but secretly planning to vote for McCain?–let’s hope.

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

kimbers Chop Meth Palin (08:17:18) :

Top o’ the morning to you Kimbers, and thanks again for your diligence in keeping us up to date with that media list. Wish you were close enough to buy you a cup of coffee!

21 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

kimbers Chop Meth Palin (08:17:18) :

That list. WOW!

Thank you for your effort on this!

Outstanding!

21 09 2008
Samantha

Wow! Two ABC (and conservative) pundits just ripped into McCain! Could it be that the MSM is finally willing to ‘call a spade a spade’.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/21/abc-panel-tears-into-mcca_n_128055.html

21 09 2008
Suchanut

plwalsh (08:08:37) :

Anon:

True, people will secretly vote for Obama but probably people will secretly vote against him, too, for related reasons. The racism in this race has mostly stayed under the surface but it is still there.

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How likely is it that moderate Republicans will stay away from the polls in droves rather than vote for a ticket with Palin on it? Could that be a factor too?

21 09 2008
Blue Idaho

PBS survey for Palin. Do you think she is qualifiedto be V.P. Pass it around because half the people have voted yes so far.

http://www.pbs.org/cgi-registry/poll/poll.pl

21 09 2008
Polly

Kimber – Thanks for the great resource media list. I copied it in a word document. I had one already, but this is more comprehensive!

21 09 2008
AnneinWA

RW – SIGNS – More “mean me” stuff – off the Internet

cut government spending – you can pay women less!

if you think Sarah’s a surprise, wait til you see what I have in store for iran

foreign policy crazy meets foreign policy clueless

vote for a woman BUT NOT woman’s rights

whose more likely to cheat? mccain or obama?

If you watched TV last week, you know that Charlie Gibson did something John McCain has never done: interviewed Sarah Palin.

mccain = bush – even Bush doesn’t know what the Bush doctrine is!

pray away the gay

“Country First.” Isn’t that slogan of those mortgage companies used?

Okay…I’m done – now I am simply amusing myself!

21 09 2008
DeMo

Kimbers, thank you for that list. I also copied it into a Word document. Wow, you really compiled a must-have contact sheet.

21 09 2008
Rust Mustang Palin

Apparently one of “the smartest Bushies” (It’s all relative) has advised McCain to stress the contrast between McCain and Obama: “accessible v. uppity; humble servant of country v. arrogant).”

Uppity is sort of like Merry, in a bad way. I mean when you hear merry there is only one word you expect next. Unfortunately, in the US, when you hear uppity the same is true–except it’s not Christmas. I know this has come up before, but it seems the Bush/McCain forces see no shame in bringing it on again.

21 09 2008
Rust Mustang Palin
21 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Obama rally live in NC if you want to watch

http://www.cnn.com/live

21 09 2008
Justina

Here’s a link through which you can contact your congressional representatives to ask them to oppose the proposed trillion dollar bail-out of the same financial corporations which caused our horrendous economic collapse.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress

There is not a single penny in the bill to help middle class Americans and the poor who are facing bankruptcy and foreclosure — not a single penny. That trillion goes to the rich, while the U.S. taxpayers will pay the interest on that money for the next two generations.

21 09 2008
kimbers Chop Meth Palin

Thanks everyone!

Rust Mustang Palin sadly, that’s all the McCain campaign feels it has left that has any hope of success.

It’s all the more reason to make our voices heard with the media calling out the BS when we see it!!

This election if it does nothing else, has reminded me how important it is to hold every member of the media’s feet to the fire and continue to let them know that we are no longer willing to settle for anything less than the whole story and the reasons behind them.

It’s also very important to send them a note when they get it right so they know people are listening and will continue to do so.

21 09 2008
larina

The issue isn’t the bailout. The issue is the language of the bailout. This bill transfers powers to the Secretary of the Treasury without limitations or oversight, places the trust of the American people into appointed or privately contracted individuals, and effectively transfers ownership of our financial mortgage giants to the government. It JUST Section 8 that is of concern here. Read carefully:

“The Secretary is authorized to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this Act, including, without limitation”

“designating financial institutions as financial agents of the Government, and they shall perform all such reasonable duties related to this Act as financial agents of the Government as may be required of them”

“The Secretary may, at any time, exercise any rights received in connection with mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act.”

All of these things would be approved with that nefarious Section 8 that says the actions can’t be reviewed by the courts or administrative agencies. This bill is terrifying. Write a letter to your Congresspeople right now that demands they not approve this bill unless and until the checks and balances that our democracy is founded upon are put into the language of this proposal. Understand that the power of the Executive Branch has been expanded tremendously in the last eight years. Yes, our government needs to help Wall Street to lessen the impact of this crisis, but TAKING OVER our financial institutions and developing positions where people ARE NOT public officials but are acting on behalf of the American government without ANY oversight or counterbalance whatsoever is not the answer.

21 09 2008
Mikeylikesit2

Would love to see Sarah on Meet the press (w/Tim)
We sure do miss Tim, There is a large void in reguards to holding politicians to the fire like he did. Tom B. just does not have enough edge.

21 09 2008
DeMo

Never thought I’d say (type) this, but loving George Will. He said today that McCain’s suggestion to fire the chair of the SEC was “unpresidential.” And Will is as conservative as they come.

When your own journalists are turning on you, you really don’t get it.

Senator McCain, you can’t fire the chair of the SEC. America knows it. When we have a better understanding of how gov’t functions, we can’t vote for you. Y’see, we’re funny that way. We want a prez who, at the very least, knows how our current gov’t functions.

If you want to change how it functions, that’s one thing. Me? I don’t want you to have the power to hire and fire as you please. Your running mate did that in Alaska. Mooo.

21 09 2008
Mommy Jane

Huh. I wonder why there aren’t more good raps about Palin.

Oh look! I found one.

Hello, Jon Stewart? Please call me.

http://fourgetaboutit.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-sings-to-palin-gold-powah-diggah.html

21 09 2008
Pacificnwgal

re: copyright laws and intelligent communication

You are right about copyright. Copying whole articles without proper citation can be plagerism and violating the law. This is important for us bloggers. We do not want to do the same thing that the media (on part) and the politicians are doing. The are speading lies, gossip, and misreprentations which misleads the public. I was listening to Bob Woodward (i.e of Wategate fame) last night on BookTV regarding his new book “The War Within.” This is about the war in Iraq and the Bush administration. He talked in detail about verifying facts for the book. ALWAYS verify information from more than one source.

So, when quoting someone, generally use the quotation marks, name the person of the original quote, or state who said this. Cite the source (i.e Washington Post, date, website, etc…)

Thanks everyone for your continued commentary on our political advocacy this election year. We ARE the voice of the people!

21 09 2008
DeMo

larina (09:05:36) said:

The issue isn’t the bailout. The issue is the language of the bailout.
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Absolutely. Checks and balances are a must. “The Secretary is authorized to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this Act, including, without limitation.” No citizen should be endowed with that kind of power. We’re not a monarchy, but we could be, if this were allowed to happen.

21 09 2008
kizzy

Ok. all. Here’s another … um… distortion. Her claim about lowering her own salary as mayor.

21 09 2008
kizzy

Trying one more time

21 09 2008
Anonymous

I cant keep up with all thats going on. I was watching Washington Journal this morning, a caller said that she was remembering how back when they started giving out farm loans to freely, and then the small farms started to get squeezed out,my uncle lost his farm. (note to self google farm aid) and how this current housing,loan,stockmarket clustermuck was the same thing.

21 09 2008
21 09 2008
ladybug-red

Does anyone else find it absurd that McCain is now blaming the financial crisis on Obama as a “do nothing” politician? WTF? This is one of those instances that makes me give up on the intelligence of this country. I feel like this entire election has turned into a freaking high school student body popularity contest where one of the candidates gets elected because he promises to shorten the school year and feed everyone pizza for lunch every day and accuses his opponent of inventing homework. OK so McCain is promising people he will end abortion and gay marraige and Obama caused the financial meltdown. He’s after the same target audience!

21 09 2008
Roschelle

With a little cyber snooping I found some info regarding the real reason Palin fired Monegan. Surely this woman couldn’t have been vetted properly.

21 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

The inclusion of language in a bill eliminating portions of the bill to the review of the court is already established in the so-called “Patriot” Act with regard to letter of national security.

This is wrong but nothing new to Congress.

21 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

“The Secretary is authorized to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this Act, including, without limitation.”

I posted this earlier, don’t know if it was here or in another thread, but DHS Secretary Chertoff has the power to suspend ANY law that he sees fit to suspend:

“Last week, Mr. Chertoff issued waivers suspending more than 30 laws he said could interfere with “the expeditious construction of barriers” in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas. The list included laws protecting the environment, endangered species, migratory birds, the bald eagle, antiquities, farms, deserts, forests, Native American graves and religious freedom.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/us/08bar.html?hp

21 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Further, from the same article I linked to above:

“The secretary of homeland security was granted the power in 2005 to void any federal law that might interfere with fence building on the border. For good measure, Congress forbade the courts to second-guess the secretary’s determinations. So long as Mr. Chertoff is willing to say it is necessary to void a given law, his word is final.

21 09 2008
Darkcorners

Please pass this along. You must email your senators and your congressman today. George Bush is trying to steal our money and our government. Do not let that happen. Read the following:

Sec. 8 Review. Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the acts of this act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administratve
agency.

They are trying to push this down the throats of Congress quickly…do you realize the implications?
The Treasury Sec acting for Bush will have sole authority over taxpayer’s money without Congress or the courts to question. This defies our constitution. This is too important to fluff away. Here is the email addresses for your senators and congressman. Please write today.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml

Here’s what I said.

“Sec. 8 Review. Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the acts of this act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administratve
agency. ”

I call upon my elected officials to stop this from becoming law. This power shall not be given to the Secretary of Treasury. We are watching you defend our constituion not throw away our rights.
If our democracy is to survive you cannot cave to this measure. The Congress can continue to work with the executive branch to save our financial system but you must work together not give one person this power. It is against everything we stand for. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Please send this to as many people as possible and tell them to send it to as many people as possible before it is too late.

21 09 2008
SMR

@Blue Idaho

Re: Palin poll —

I really think that poll has become ridiculous. You would be better served to write them to ask them to remove it unless they have some mechanism in place to prevent someone from voting more than once.

I’m certain it has been hijacked by the rethuglicans, probably linked to on Hannity’s site & Rush’s site & all of the other icky sites out there. Someone here posted that they’d received 3 forwarded emails asking to go there & vote for Sarah (unfortunate to have friends/family thinking like that, but I have some of those nuts too). Some yukky minds coming up with that email effort like the ones that spread around the one about Obama being a muslim, my daughter got that one from her step-mother and blocked her email address after receiving…

21 09 2008
Sharon/California

Re: Bill Moyers Journal. The program, discussed above, is called “Facing The Fallout” and is available on line @: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09192008/watch.html or can be downloaded as a free podcast from iTunes.

Bill Moyers is another one of the sane former mainstream broadcasters who has been pushed aside because he wasn’t loud enough or controversial enough in today’s media. He didn’t go away and his program is always insightful. I also recommend last weeks program, Rage On The Radio ……. no explanation needed.

Also, Anna Quindlen has a new article in Newsweek “This Is Important” – available online @: http://www.newsweek.com/id/160062/page/1. I am a huge fan of her writing. She always gets to the heart of the matter in a conscice and rational manner.

21 09 2008
bluesman

Call this financial crisis what it is and lay it at the feet of the President responsible
for policy, oversight, etc.

It’s a “Financial Katrina”.

21 09 2008
DeMo

Justina provide all of us with a link to our congressional representatives. PLEASE use the link and tell your representative how you feel.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress

I have contacted my representatives and implored them not to pass the proposed bailout unless and until the language of Section 8 is changed.

As larina (09:05:36) : points out, the Secretary of the Treasury cannot have power that is unchecked.

I believe a bailout is necessary. I fear one that permits the Secretary of the Treasury to act without oversight. If you agree, PLEASE use the link provided by Justina and use your voice to let your congressional reps know how you feel.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress

The vote will take place sooner than later. Make your feelings known sooner.

21 09 2008
Intrigued

Thanks DeMo,

This conservative (former Republican) agrees with you 100%.

Just wrote to my Congresscritters and hope that others will do the same.

21 09 2008
DeMo

Sharon/California said:
Also, Anna Quindlen has a new article in Newsweek “This Is Important” – available online @: http://www.newsweek.com/id/160062/page/1. I am a huge fan of her writing. She always gets to the heart of the matter in a conscice and rational manner.
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Well worth clicking on the link and reading. Anna always seems to get it right. Sharon, thanks for the link.

21 09 2008
ladybug-red

Darkcorners and DeMo – thanks for the message and the quick link to contacts. I sent mine in – not that it will do any good in this Bush-loving state! By the way, one of my Senators (Jim DeMint of SC) had a list of topics to select from when sending e-mail. His list started with abortion (no surprise) and ended with War on Terror. No Iraq War on the list just War on Terror. Geez – this state is embarrassing!

21 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

I think I just did a “no no”

This is what happens when I “shoot from the hip” or just react without thinking …… a friend (Rep) sent me the email about those Obama quotes from his books – am sure you all know which one I am referring to.

Anyway ~ I hit reply all and typed

Perhaps before arbitrarily fowarding e-mail – check the facts

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

I’ll take a 10 minute time out now !!!!!

21 09 2008
Bwoodin

Hi,
I have been wondering if anyone has looked at the possibility of HIPAA violations if/when Palin and her crew shared medical information in their emails about Trooper Wooten. The guidelines are very strict and many medical facilities send records via regular mail rather than risk faxing. My guess is that group emails sent on personal accounts that can be hacked, due to the account owner’s ridiculously easily-guessed password and account name, would not be considered safe enough for sharing medical information.

Questions to Consider When Choosing an Email Service Provider
When your organization is responsible for critical data such as protected health information, choosing an email provider is more than a matter of trust. Does the email service provider build on the administrative, physical and technical safeguards while delivering to its customers:

Solutions that meet or exceed HIPAA’s Security Standards
Protect data integrity
Flexible, scalable services – no account is too small
Administrative access to assign or change a user’s password
Controls to validate a user’s access
Audit controls to track user access and file access
Allow access to users based on role or function
Automatic log off after specified time of inactivity
Data transmission security
Unlimited document or email transfer
Ability for encryption
Emergency access for data recovery
Minimal server downtime
Secure data back up and storage
Secure data disposal
User friendly, web-based access without the necessity of third party software
Privacy in not selling or sharing its client contact information
http://luxsci.com/info/hipaa-email.html

In addition, during her first interview with Charlie, she back-tracked on her statements to the church youth group about knowing God’s will and claimed she was imitating Lincoln and would never try to speak for God. I disagree and would point to the notice she sent out about the birth of her son in which she actually wrote from the point of view of her “God” and even signed off in his name.

Her hesitation gone, Palin glowed with maternal pride. “Sarah was absolutely ecstatic,” said a friend, Marilyn Lane. After months of reflection and prayer, friends say, the Palins had come to believe God had chosen to send them Trig.

Later that day, Palin sent an e-mail message to her relatives and close friends about her new son, Bruce said. She signed it, “Trig’s Creator, Your Heavenly Father.”

“Many people will express sympathy, but you don’t want or need that, because Trig will be a joy,” Palin said. “Children are the most precious and promising ingredient in this mixed-up world you live in down there on Earth. Trig is no different, except he has one extra chromosome,” the governor wrote.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/090808dnpolpalinbaby.54709f95.html

Incidentally, I live in Wasilla and voted against her for mayor twice, Lt. Gov and Gov. I am a mother and a professional and she does not represent me in any respect. She is not to be trusted and not at all transparent and open.

21 09 2008
Pradicchio

Thanks again Kimbers — this list is even more complete than the last one (carpal tunnel coming on, but hey!). You rock, PR

aka Stepper Choke

21 09 2008
WhatCanWEdo?

Dear Friends,
I live in the lower 48, in Ohio, to be exact…I have been coming to this site for almost a month now but have never posted. I enjoy coming here to try and get some insight into why so many of my fellow 48ers are so magnetized by Mrs. Palin…I am beginning to worry down here as I read your paper—I realize there is a lot to panic about. How do we beat this? All of you know Sarah best…what is her weakness? She does seem like a nice enough person, but not one I would like to place my grand-children’s future in her hands…the Palin/McCain ticket scares me. Thanks for letting me vent…I have been doing that a lot lately…I will be here almost daily reading your news pages…hoping to find something that will help us beat the odds….Be Blessed…

21 09 2008
JAK

OMG
Sarah McPalin is live on MSNBC in Florida. Oh, that VOICE!

21 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Bwoodin (10:59:38) :

Hi,
I have been wondering if anyone has looked at the possibility of HIPAA violations if/when Palin and her crew shared medical information in their emails about Trooper Wooten.
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I write the EDI data transmission software (Java) for the company I work for which is a special kind of TP/A for insurance companies. We ABSOLUTELY NEVER send HIPAA information in an e-mail! Absolutely NEVER! You can sometimes do it by FAX but it has to be to an organizations’ fax number that is highly specifically authorized for this purpose. It is rarely used. All sensitive HIPAA data is SOP normally sent by FTP or FTPS to a login/password/encryption key protected site with pre-authorized certificates.

If business entities of ANY kind in Alaska, including the state government, are sending HIPAA information in e-mails through the public Internet, they are going to get their asses sued to within an inch of their life. This includes the sitting Governor.

Suing companies for failing to secure HIPAA data is a MAJOR growth industry for lawyers and has been for years now. No company or state official can risk this.

If she did reveal Workman’s Comp medical data on Trooper Wooten, it is indeed a smoking gun revealing incredible hubris and ignorance as a “state employee”.

21 09 2008
Mack in Baltimore

Take a gander at Sarah Palin’s response to the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac bailout, as reported in the Washington Post’s Sunday (9/21/08) editorial. (Apparently, some lucky reporter actually got close enough to pose a softball question):

“Well, you know, first, Fannie and Freddie, different because quasi-government agencies there where government had to step in because the adverse impacts all across our nation, especially with homeowners, is just too impacting…”

Too impacting, indeed. She makes George W. sound like an Oxford scholar. In fact, George stumbles and misspeaks when he’s being disingenuous (or when he’s lying). I think Sarah is just plain dumb.

21 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

PS.

We do also send some data via PGP to insurance companies also when FTPS is not their system. But, so far, every state I have ever communicated with is FTPS.

21 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline Palin

Again, on the HIPAA question here is a quick tutorial if there is anyone on here from the RNC who has to brief Sarah on this for the debate in case Biden brings it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ftp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy

Joe should be up on this since it pertains to how Credit Cards are processed on the Internet. I think every grade school student in the state of Delaware is up on this since, after all, it IS Delaware.

21 09 2008
Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P.

watch.. be afraid

21 09 2008
katiebegood

KAMERUN SCOOP (02:12:59) :
The new Sarah Palin
http://allainjulesblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/les-nichons-de-sarah-palin.ht

There are plenty of legitimate things to talk about regarding Sarah Palin. Posting links to obviously photoshopped pictures does nothing for our discourse here.

21 09 2008
katiebegood

Ripley_6 AKA Copper Catfish P. (13:23:31) :
watch.. be afraid

Now that’s a good ad. I have been wondering why Obama isn’t running ads showing all of McCain’s flip flops on major issues. He could do a series of ads kind of like the old Burma Shave commercials. Call it “The Flip Flop Express”.

It’s too bad that the Democrats and Obama have to pay for ads that tell the people what the MSM should be telling them every night.

21 09 2008
disgustedfemale

I just heard a phone call from Frank Bailey to a state trooper station. you can listen in at blip.tv

but I was concerned, once again, about the reference in the call referring to Sarah and TODD having concerns about wooten this and wooten that

Now I live in a very small town. I know the mayor personally, babysat for him when a girl as a matter of fact, but he would never never never call anyone and say Pat (his wife) and I are distrubed over this or that. Nor would anyone in his administration do that either. It just would not stand. Pat is his wife that everyone in town knows as well as him. Most like her as well as him, but she is NOT involved in politics except to be at his side at formal, offical things.

By the way he is Republican, one that I would vote for. I vote on the issues not a party

In this call that repeatedly said TODD and Sarah would not like this or that…well just how much does he have to do with politics and influence of his wife’s decisions as governor????

If he has this much power and control…should he not also be vetted??? and must I say WORRIED???

21 09 2008
Frank aka. Lier Skunk Palin

abc is finally stepping up to the plate! Woooo Hoooo!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/21/abc-panel-tears-into-mcca_n_128055.html

21 09 2008
Kim Vise Peeper Palin

AKM’s post and pictures about the anti-palin rally is in Snopes they say it is true but don’t give muckraker the credit.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/rally.asp

21 09 2008
Terpsichore

Arrgh! I could not finish listening to this . Man, have I got my opinions but I’ll keep them to myself .. for now.

Whatchay’all think?

Sarah’s speech at The Villages today:

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=00URXYxPalinMorning_092120080914&cat=E2008&title=Palin%20Visits%20The%20Villages

21 09 2008
plwalsh

Sarah who?

21 09 2008
sfmama

Go to PBS site and vote NO now!

Poll now shows more people think Palin qualified to be president than don’t.

Ugh!

PBS poll

22 09 2008
Henry Porter

Something Happening Here

Barack Obama is making history and it makes me proud to be a U.S. citizen. If he attains the presidency, he will bring wisdom and honesty to the Whitehouse. He has more intelligence and compassion than most who have been President of the United States of America. The fact that he has darker skin pigmentation than all who have held this office will heal deep national psychological wounds. But history has repeated itself in my lifetime, and the second time around is more frightening. Greater crimes have been committed by the Bush administration than Nixon’s, with no accountability to the public. There is a through-line from Vietnam to Iraq.

What the Right learned from their war in Vietnam is: control the media (from FCC deregulation, to controlled embedded reports with few to no real images of war, to a daily digest of misinformation and outright Stazi news), quell the opposition (whip the populace into a “support the troops” froth and label opposition unpatriotic, create undemocratic defeatist “free speech zones,” institute national wiretapping with immunity – the Democrats helped the Republicans make this happen), plunder the treasury (secret meetings and no bid contracts for war profiteers), and why not fund a private military and allow it to build camps around the nation…

Since the assassinations of the Kennedys & King along with police and National Guard brutality, the Left has cowered. No viable, galvanizing charismatic political leader from the Left has successfully stuck a neck out until now. Others who have tried have fallen prey to complacency ruled by collective fear, disorganization, and the above tactics of the Right.

For 8 years we’ve accepted a puppet president, and the absence of democracy from our Republic. The tactics of Mugabe and Bush differ, but the result is the same. Recall that G.W. Bush said on a live 2000 election nite broadcast while seated next to his father, “we’re going to surprise people in Florida.” It was the most composed he’s ever been. The former two-term President, former head of our secret police, handed the office to his son. Corruptible voting machines and contemptible voting schemes scandalized elections again in 2004, primarily in Ohio. Only the rare, brave few such as Stephanie Tubbs Jones made a Congressional stand.

We’ve suffered begrudgingly through the lies, from Bush’s early ‘I can’t believe I’m getting away with this’ campaign speeches, to Colin Powell’s obfuscating speech to the U.N. complete with empty vial & drawn “evidence” props. Bush by his own admittance doesn’t read the press, and rarely takes questions from reporters. The press too often dazzles itself with paid pundits, rather than careful, critical evaluation of candidates’ platforms and policies. “Debates” are empty rhetoric zinger contests. Too many people follow whoever says god, guns, and country.

Bush counts among his friends corporate executives who treat our economy like their personal ponzi scheme. As financial entities fail, and peoples lives are ruined, these executives reap their profits. 1,000,000 innocent people have died in Iraq, and millions more have been displaced. After we leveled their infrastructure in the 1990’s, killing hundreds if not thousands of soldiers who were in retreat, Iraqis were able to rebuild – not because some ruthless dictator was whipping them, but because the engineers, doctors, and laborers had the community, capital, incentive & time to do so. The U.S.A., with it’s billions of dollars and massive military presence, has taken most of that away this time. Halliburton and its subsidiaries, Blackwater, and other companies including global oil corporations have netted record profits. What’s happened in Iraq is the largest treasury theft in U.S. history thinly disguised as an unjust war. The financial market bail out is phase II.

As for “the war on terror,” has anyone refuted the fact that within 3 days of 9/11, on the balcony of the Whitehouse, Bush smoked a cigar with Saudi prince Bandar whose countrymen attacked us? Saudi royals, some with reputed ties to Al-Qaeda, were allowed to flee the U.S. Similarly, a caravan was allowed to flee U.S. troops from Afghanistan to Pakistan. Do we have to wait for historians to consider these acts?

Now the Left thinks Barack Obama will lead us from shame. Our other option was Hillary Clinton, but how can 6 successive presidencies divided between 2 families in a country of over 300 million be considered “democracy?” We’re slouching toward, if not a reckoning, at least a course correction, but think of what we’ve squandered in the process. Since we’re a capitalist society -and no presidential contender has used the word “love” in a meaningful way since Robert Kennedy – put it in these terms: imagine the possibilities if the money funneled for 50 months into the war machinations in Iraq war was instead distributed to 50 states.

It’s foolish to think the individuals and corporations who propped Cheney & Bush into office with an Oil First/War First agenda will stop if Obama is elected. The current intensity of double standard double speak indicates their intention to retain power. An oil man as president started a war for oil profits, then bitch-slapped the populace by telling us we’re addicted to it. Gas prices are higher than ever. Banks are failing. Our national debt is the highest ever. It will take more than 4 years to turn the economy around. The oil-military- information-financial corporations will regroup using the billions of dollars they’ve made and come back for more.

If Barack Obama is assassinated, or elections are thrown again, we will be demoralized. The police are ready to break out their new riot equipment and turn it on the citizenry. Recall after Katrina, a camera panning from poor huddled masses without proper clothes and starving, to a unit of police in military assault gear looking for a suspected gunman. That crowd excercised great restraint knowing those cops had a ride out of there. You might think protecting and serving would include evacuating people under possible fire rather than focusing efforts on killing. If we suffer another terrorist attack, we will lose more of our Bill of Rights. Hope is all we have right now.

If Barack Obama attains the nation’s highest office, barriers of individualism may crumble. We may come out of our collective fog. More people could begin to relate to each other as neighbors and fellow citizens, instead of as strangers who fear one another and focus most dialogue around private property and commercial enterprise. Something closer to democracy will come to the U.S.A.

22 09 2008
Grace RN NJ

Henry,

Exceptionally well said, from someone who remembers “Tricky Dick” all too well.




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