The Ed Schultz Show’s Town Hall Meeting in Anchorage!

14 09 2008

DON’T FORGET – Tune in to the Ed Schultz Show on KUDO 1080 AM, 8am-11am Alaska time, 12pm-3pm Eastern Time.  Click HERE to listen in!

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It’s still amazing to me how the media have flocked to our fair city.  One visit that I was particularly pleased with was progressive radio talk show icon Ed Schultz, bringing “Team Fargo” to the University ofAnchorage for a Town Hall meeting.  Sarah Palin was the topic du jour.  No need to say that was there?  Nobody found us particularly interesting until this whole fiasco came up.  Usually we have to resort to bribing famous people with fishing trips and tales of natural splendour.  And they still don’t come.

I decided to splurge and get the VIP Passes at $100 a pop.  But it made me feel good to shake the man’s hand, have some finger food, and donate to a worthy cause.  And I needed something to eat after attending both the Palin rally and the anti-Palin rally earlier in the day. The VIP group of about 30 people were treated to a good progressive pep rally by our illustrious host, who, in another life, wanted to be a football coach.  We’ll have none of that talk now.  We need him right where he is.

The house wasn’t packed, but there was a respectable crowd, and everyone was more than willing to give opinions on the woman who might very well be sitting in the Oval Office some day. I’m sorry.  I know that felt as strange to read as it did to write…but that’s what we’re dealing with.

Bottom Line:  Do Alaskans think she’s prepared?  No. 

You can tune in to Ed’s Show  to hear all about her stances on women’s issues, foreign policy, wildlife, the environment, her track record as mayor of Wasilla, special ed, family matters  and troopergate.  Rep. Les Gara who posted here on that last issue, gave a good recounting of his feelings about the McCain people running roughshod over a bipartisan investigation, and slandering some really well-respected public servants in the process.  The crowd got a little frustrated when he refused to talk about the possibility of impeachment, but that word can’t be bandied around without bringing down the wrath of the Republican ticket and it’s squadron of lawyers and spin-meisters.

Click HERE for the Ed Schultz Show website.  And thanks to KUDO 1080, Alaska’s progressive talk station for making it happen.


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14 09 2008
VA

Love your blog! Very interesting and imformative.

14 09 2008
curlyhairedmomnyc

AKM. please dont take this the wrong way, but I love you. Your site gives me hope that your bible thumpin, gun totin gov will be knocked out of the box with McShame in November.

14 09 2008
Anonymous

Poodle has started the ” Bridge ” lie again…………..

14 09 2008
Mil

AKM, you are the first site I go to everyday since this mess started and I found this blog. Thank you for all your hard work!!

14 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

ED is on Air America in NYC
1600 am

14 09 2008
lemonfair

Ed gets spots on Hardball fairly often.

It still feels like the MSM needs to pick up on this (which they are doing), because left wing radio can be dismissed by the right just as right wing radio gets dismissed by the left, and I suppose many in the middle figure “a pox on both their houses.” I appreciate that facts are sourced here.

Tom Friedman, who is fairly well respected by the middle, has a great column today, in which he says that shouting “drill, baby, drill,” is like shouting “typewriters, baby, typewriters” at the beginning of the P.C. era.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14friedman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

I’m curious about the use of taxpayer resources (SP’s staff) to take care of her baby. (This got Jane Swift in trouble in Massachusetts)

14 09 2008
JoeAlvord

Thank you mudflats. Thank you ten wonderful women who got this going despite threats (yes, threats) from opponents on the right. And thank you all you wonderful demonstrators who walked with me in front of the library yesterday. It was a truly uplifting experience. BTW, one person actually went around with a clicker counting everyone. At the time of the count, there were 1496 protesters and 93 Palin supporters.

Now to business: We have work to do in the next 2 months.

1. I would love these rallies to go viral. This one started a week ago with 10 women over coffee and grew to a huge rally. All you out in the battleground states can you do the same? Non-battleground states, too. I have heard some hints of this on the blogs, but would love to see it spread across the land. Get involved. If you are a loser at organizing (as I am) look for someone else’s and join it.
2. Write to newspapers all over the place. My local paper has a once per month policy that I’ve already used up so I am writing to newspapers all over the battleground states. The nice part about this is that you can write one really good letter and send it hundreds of places with cut and paste. Google a state name and the word newspapers and one of the first links is a list of all the papers in the state and their web sites.
3. Contribute what you can. This is too important to hold back. Alaska is awash in money from royalties from these obscene oil prices. The legislature has seen fit to give Alaskans a $1200 “energy rebate”. Mine is going to the Obama campaign. I’ll be adding some more of my own money, too. Every dollar helps.
4. Find your local Obama or Democratic Party office and ask them how you can help out. I am volunteering time when I can. They can all use your help in a number of ways. If anything puts us over the top it will be this army of Obama volunteers.

Please, please, please do what you can. Our country is in serious trouble and needs your help.

>>>>>>Iligitimum Non Carborundum<<<<<<

Thank you all from Eagle River, Alaska

14 09 2008
RW

It makes me sick that McCain is up in the polls. I’m losing faith in America. I just read on the Huffington Post that the misleading ads that McCain is airing are actually working.

I’ve been compiling a running list of links to help all of us use as ammunition to help convert undecided voters.

http://www.ritawilhelm.com/2008/09/10/palin-mccain-political-research/

14 09 2008
Lila

Questions about Palin’s legal residence:
( I don’t know the answers, and would like to know, because this is relevant to her taking a per diem when in Wasilla).
Where were her children’s official residences when she was in Juneau?
Did her residence change when her children were enrolled in Wasilla schools vs Juneau schools?
If not, where were they officially residing, and with whom?

14 09 2008
Laurie

AKM thank you once again. I am listening to David Bender on Air America. Some body just phoned in an interesting thing. He stated, as I did a few days ago, that due to her religious beliefs, she CANNOT make decisions. Her husband is the God Head and as such is the “decider”

The fact that Todd was cc’d on government emails. So does this mean Mr. snowmachine would be the veep? This is all so sickening.

Now they are discussing the polls and the tricks they use with voters and the fear tactics like throwing around jail etc.

I thought you guys lived in a free country?

14 09 2008
lemonfair

Joe:

Iligitimum Non Carborundum : It’s very hard. For starters, why do you all put up with a “one letter per month” policy from your local paper? I’d start a campaign to read it online, or – if it’s not online – read it at the library (if they haven’t done away with libraries up there – I kid, I kid)

14 09 2008
SoCalTees

We are behind the Alaskan Women 100%. We have created Polar Bears for Obama T-shirts, Vote Issues Not Lipstick T-shirts, Alaskan Animals for Obama T-shirts and more, they can be found here:

http://www.cafepress.com/socaltees/5773082

A % of the profits go to the Obama campaign.

Thank you so much for all you do!

14 09 2008
Laurie

RW…:Planned Parenthood has an ad coming out this week that will shame the McCain and palin ticket. It will leave no doubt as to McCains lies and the crap that is in his senile mind.

14 09 2008
RW

Laurie – Thank goodness. We need to start educating people about these lies!

However… I feel that the more we talk about abortion in the ads, the more divided we become. I want Obama to talk about what he said at the convention. “Certainly we can all agree that we want to stop unwanted pregnancies in the first place”

Hopefully planned parenthood won’t focus on the abortion issue.

14 09 2008
NMJ

This is a very good article on how the world feels about Obama:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/uselections2008.barackobama

…and this is part of a comment on the above article. Obama can make this happen!

“I remember a US that cared about justice, truth and honour. There was a time when many non-Americans looked to the US to see those ideals in action, ideals that inspired societies everywhere. It sounds incredible now, at the end of 8 years of lies, war crimes and torture, but I remember the US that set absolute standards of human decency, a US that gave us the UN and the Geneva Convention. Now I’m glad to see Russia flexing its muscles because a second bully in the school yard will keep some check on the first bully.

The world is waiting, hardly daring to hope, that the US voters will give us back the honourable decent USA that has been stolen from us. “

14 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

thanks to whoever posted this: a good thought to hold on to at the end.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/
12-reasons-why-obama-bide_b_125645.html

I refuse to get scared because of what Republicans might do and are doing. We know what Republicans might do. They’ve done it for years. When you react to what they do, when you get concerned, you play their game. And when you play their game, you lose. I intend to play my game. And in my game – issues, judgment, vibrancy, decency, ability and outraged anger at eight years of supporting divisive, disastrous policies trump everything, most especially empty pandering. And that game is a winner.

14 09 2008
Erin

@JoeAlvord

I’m right there with you- I’ve donated my entire rebate check as well, to several causes (one is Obama/Biden). Maybe if we talk about this more, people will follow suit…

14 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Anonymous (14:38:21) :

Poodle has started the ” Bridge ” lie again…………..

How can this be? It has been debunked time and time again! I guess they are expecting that most are ill-informed and will buy it.

But what about all those who were told that she kept th $220 million? Don’t you think that her continuing to claim, “thanks, but no thanks” will hurt her credibility? I would think so. But after reading a conservative blog that noted Time’s interviews of women in Michigan…I don’t have a lot of confidence.

One woman said she had decided to vote for Obama. Then Palin came along and she’s voting McCain. When asked what policies she liked of Palin’s, she replied, “I don’t really know the policies…I just like her.”

We are in trouble. I am ashamed of the ignorance of many of my sex.

14 09 2008
Laurie

RW…the ad will not be about abortion…its complete putdown of the ad McCain put on regarding sex education for kinders

14 09 2008
Anonymous

Is it just me- every time I hear or see “Drill Baby Drill”……….I have a visual of Bristol holding Trig……..call me sick……..I’m just sayin……….

14 09 2008
14 09 2008
Laurie

Susan I dont pay attention to right wing blogs….my blood pressure cant take it, and we know what they will say anyway.

I use this blog…and any and all positive links to keep me going. I wont waste my time trying to convince a rabid palin fan….especially one who would vote for her because she has a vagina.

Obama by his very nature is calm cool and collected. I trust him to know what he needs to do. He has driven the largest ground movement in modern history. He mobilized a group of people that have been very hard to reach.

I believe that the youth vote will be out in numbers that the republicans underestimated badly.

Patience…..steel

14 09 2008
RW

Laurie – Yeah! Thanks for the update.

Did anyone see NOW on PBS on Friday? Dave B. interviewed a social psychologist on what Obama has to do. It’s worth watching:

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/436/video-seg1.html

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

Lila–

I think we may have the same background going for us! What is your Palin name?

I do believe that all your questions are being looked at–for several days.

Cassie Jeep Pike–wish I were Cassie Jeep Trout

14 09 2008
dgreenberg1492

Friends, you have to check out this great website, http://www.milfandmccain.com. It is fantastically funny!

14 09 2008
Jill

Congratulations, Alaska! We texans are so thrilled to hear (and see) that you also do not believe in her 100%. She is coming here 10/3 and we are starting to organize a rally for that day in Dallas. Not all texans are backwards and love Bush. The important thing is to hope people will vote for a black man…in the south, that is not so easy. It is important to remind people it is NOT ok to vote for someone “folksy”, but someone a heckuva lot smarter than your average citizen.

Keep up the rallies.

14 09 2008
UK lady

don’t watch chuck norton TROLL

14 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

http://www.barackobama.com/live/index.php

For anyone wanting to listen to Joe Biden give the smackdown on MCcain/Palin live right now

14 09 2008
Laurie

Chuck norton…(any relation to that rabid dog chuck norris???) you are in the wrong place. Please now…go find a bathroom stall…empty your bowels…and you will feel better. Then it wont “ouch” so much

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

Chuck Norton Troll job!

14 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[It makes me sick that McCain is up in the polls.]]

Do not believe the polls. None of the polling groups give enough information to demonstrate that they were conducted properly, the statistics methods used appropriately, and the analysis credible given the results of the statistics.

People CONTRACT to have these polls done. They have control of what, if anything, is released. What we don’t know is how much control they have over other aspects of the poll, including the questions asked, the order in which they are asked, whether registered or likely voters are chosen, and if any hinky polling tactics (and there are many) were used in the process.

The most important polling issue in this election is the fact that most polling groups don’t spend the extra funding to include a representative number of cell phones in their phone polls. The majority of young voters are supporting Obama, the majority of young people don’t have land lines (cell phones as their primary phone contact), so any polls that do not include a representative number of cell phone contacts will give grossly low numbers for Obama.

Remember that, as TV pundits can be biased, so can polling groups, including all of the little minions that actually do the polling process, statistics analysis.

Anyone who has taken a statistics course will tell you that it is VERY easy to manipulate statistics to give the opinion you want.

National Council on Public Polls: 20 Questions A Journalist Should Ask About Poll Results (http://www.ncpp.org/?q=node/4) is a good place to start in understanding what information whould be provided from polling groups if they want us to believe their polling methods and results are valid. But that is just a starting point because it is very easy to catch news outlets (like CNN) in using fraudulent methods to predict an outcome that is not justified by the polling studies done.

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Thank you, AKMR!

Speaking of wildlife, there is a LOT of buzz — everywhere — and curiosity about Palin’s position and policy on aerial wolf hunting. Would you be so kind as to do a post on this to explain it to those of us outside of Alaska? Some of us are trying to get the facts, but the water is being muddied by pro-hunting Alaskans and I’m not sure that this is accurate. Thanks!

14 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[A % of the profits go to the Obama campaign. ]]

What “%” goes to the Obama campaign? Is that gross or net?

I think 100% of the T-shirts purchased through the Obama campaign go to the Obama campaign.

14 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

Lemonfair: you’re got a good point. I kind of wondred when I saw those photo op shots of Sarah’s babyswing in the gov office, if all the rest of the women in AK got to take their babies to work, and does the state pay for it? I know lots of women in the lower 48 that would like to take their babies to work and are not allowed to because they don’t have back-up childcare in their offices or workplaces.

Have you noticed how many women are being asked to leave their babies and children to serve in the armforces: Now that’s just one work force where child care is not supplied to government workers. Perhaps she now is willing to be for it hafger she was against it. Do you suppose he might be willing to support paying for childcare for women to work, if it is discoverd that she already is billing the state for her childcare? In which case, can the rest of the women in America now start billing the state.
Would sure be nice to see how much she pays and to who? Then start comparing how much other women pay.

Next question, now I’m an equal opportunity employer advocate, but I also know that some people men or women are better suited to do certain things in their lives at certain times for instance nursing mothers usually do that better than men. As for taking on the job of Commander-in-Chief, do you suppose the leaders from the axis-of-evil countries are going to give her a pass because she is a nursing mother? I get it that we haven’t sent any of our Commander-in-Chief’s out to actually stand up in front of the troops in the front line for years now, perhaps they wouldn’t get us in so many of these situations if we did, but that being a side issue what is this country coming to if it’s willing to put nursing women in that position? At least let the baby learn to walk so it can run under the table, before you tell Russia you’d go after them if you have to….oh, I forgot she will never have too, that would be her son and other peoples sons.

14 09 2008
NMJ

Cynthia, TX (15:23:26) : …MCcain/Palin live right now
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Cynthia, that link tells me it’s Off Air now, but I signed up to receive email alerts to live events that will be webcast in my time zone. I’m in California, so maybe it will be on later.

14 09 2008
redwoodman

@Intrigued (15:27:15) :

Here is one article from 2007 from the Anchorage Daily News on Palin and aerial hunting:

http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/story/8726730p-8628810c.html

14 09 2008
Irishgirl aka puck mule

Just a very sincere thanks for all the info. Now I really am going to bed.

14 09 2008
plwalsh

I’m hearing lots of thing, including interviews with the pollsters, that suggest that none of the polling companies know what is going on now. The old methodologies aren’t really accurate any more and the new methologogies might be even worse.

This is not terribly helpful if you really want to know what’s going on but keep in mind that some of the polls done during the primary were way off.

There’s also so many organizations getting into the business that the polls are moving in every direction you can imagine. I noticed one political web site manager thought a particular poll (Zogby interactive) was so inaccurate he heavily discounted it. But if you think the poll is wrong, why include it at all?

14 09 2008
NWanne

Perhaps Palin’s “mission” might have to be looked at in terms of the EndTime believers (which I know almost nothing about except our fears about more war in the Middle East seems to be their fantasy). In doing a little google research, I found this site: http://www.tribulation.com/

Does anyone else see Palin riding the beasts of Babylon? http://www.tribulation.com/woman.htm

“The Harlot riding the Beast represents Religious Babylon. She is portrayed as a “harlot” or a “prostitute” because she commits spiritual fornication with the kings or leaders of the world. This would be interpreted that she left her First Love, i.e., preaching the Reconciliation to God in Christ, pursuing instead pure monetary and political gain. Her primary purpose is to gain power over the Saints of God (and even non-believers) by any means possible.

She is identified as a “CITY” {WASILLA?} (not a nation or country)…
that:
1) has a Christian religious heritage,
2) is waxed exceedingly rich,
3) has the blood of Saints and Martyrs on her hands,
4) has tremendous religious influence throughout the world,
5) is clothed in purple and scarlet,
6) is located near the Mediterranean Sea {some things we can’t take literally},
7) is full of abominations, primarily idols,
8) is heavily adorned with gold and jewels,
9) is primarily represented by a woman instead of Jesus Christ,
10) is carrying a golden chalice, significant to her identity,
11) influences world political leaders because of her religious power,
12) sits on seven mountains or hills.

PALIN’S CONFIDENCE SEEMS SO UNNATURAL CONSIDERING HER LEVEL OF COMPETANCE THAT I KEEP WONDERING WHAT SHE BELIEVES IS HER TRUE ROLE – WHICH MAY BE OUTSIDE THE REALM OF SANITY.

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

TROLL

Can someone tell me how, when I followed Chuck Norton, my personal email showed up on the reply to post, as it does here? Is that supposed to be right?

14 09 2008
plwalsh

Speaking of polls, this is recently posted on fivethirtyeight.com:

“Overall, the landscape has not changed very much since the Republican convention – we’re just collecting different evidence about where the bounce might or might not be in different states. Arguably, however, there are a few signs that McCain is beginning to come off his peaks. Between the four national tracking polls, McCain now leads by an average of just 0.25 points, his smallest margin since the convention.”

14 09 2008
pamela

Just took a look at the ad Chuck linked to. Sometimes it’s so scary how we all seem to be preaching to the choir. That supposedly “most effective” ad will only resonate with McCain supporters, b/c in addition to it’s simplistic portrayal of Obama’s positions, it’s so obvious that his selection of Palin was putting politics, not country first. By the same token, on this wonderful blog, we pretty much all agree.

Which is why what happened in Anchorage yesterday was so great, b/c as evidenced by the Alaska women’s rally, the people who know Palin best are NOT unanimous in their support. Even some who voted for Palin for governor do not support her as VP.

I think Ed Schultz reaches a lot of independents, so hopefully he’ll take that Alaskan message to the rest of the country, to people who are undecided, who remember that once upon a time, McCain did put country first, and therefore still want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m honestly sad, b/c it’s so obvious McCain is not that person any more, and our only hope is to move in a new direction.

In the long run, I believe the selection of Palin will be seen as the cynical, divisive, move that it was, and we will move forward with an Obama administration. But when McCain loses, and Obama wins, we still need to bring this country together. I think Obama can and will do this, but as Laurie said – patience and steel

14 09 2008
Lila

Cassie (Jeep Pike Palin) –
I’m “Bang Walmart” Palin!

14 09 2008
Samantha

RE: Trolls

May I suggest that everytime a troll appears… don’t respond. Instead, make a donation to the Obama campaign or the victims of Hurricane Ike.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

14 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Another reason to give for an Obama vote:

Although not widely reported in OUR MSM (luckily the rest of the world, including Israel, DOES report world events), some info you may not be aware of: Israel first asked Bush in May to bomb Iran, Bush refused. They then asked for bunker busting bombs and permission to use Iraq air space so they could bomb Iran. Bush initally refused. He changed his mind and sold them bombs on Friday per Haaretz (Major Israeli newspaper).

Although there is no guarantee that Obama will lead with a more fair foreign policy, it is certain that McCain, and especially Palin if she assumes the Presidency, will continue the uneccessary and dangerous continuation of expensive wars that may lead to WWIII.

Watch this to be informed. Lots of people interviewed that you will recognise including Richard Perle. A Dutch documentary, narration in Dutch with subtitles but the doc is in English. AIPAC (focus of the doc) does not feel reassured by Obama. That in itself makes me trust Obama.

Note, when the campaign kept everyone away from Palin before she went back to Alaska…there was one EXCEPTION. You got it….AIPAC met with her in her hotel room. Widely reported in newspapers…google it.

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

Lila–

Oh, No! She does that, too?

14 09 2008
mimi

Polls mean nothing – it is just a tool to get us accustomed to the thought of another stolen election. If the pollsters say the race is close it is a lot easier to pull off.

Polls cannot contact anyone with a cell phone – there are a ton of people who no longer have land lines.

WCCO tv in Mpls/st. paul just did a little poll of their own and 68& of the 2000 people they contacted said they didn’t think that palin was ready to lead. So, there you go.
The important thing now is to make sure that we all get out and vote and be sure to off er rides to friends and neighbors.

Yes we can!

14 09 2008
jimstaro

Unqualified for your job?

Send your resume c/o: McCain-Palin
http://www.236.com/news/2008/09/13/cowlovers_send_your_resumes_to_892

A New York Times story on Sarah Palin’s tenure as small-town mayor and
governor finds numerous instances of Bush-like cronyism. Read the whole
article for detail, but our favorite wrong person for the job is a high
school friend of Palin’s named Franci Havemeister. Palin appointed
Havemeister to run the State Division of Agriculture, a 2 million
dollar agency. Havemeister, a former real estate agent, cited her
childhood love of cows as one of her qualifications.

Which other government jobs is Franci Havemeister qualified for, and why?

Attorney General, cause she loves “Law and Order.”

Drug Czar, cause she loved “Anna Karenina.” So sad!

Secretary of Homeland Security, cause she loves her new Ultimate™ deadbolt lock.

Secretary of Commerce, cause she loves to shop! Am I right ladies?

Secretary of Veterans Affairs, cause she once banged a member of the Coast Guard.

14 09 2008
NMJ

jimstaro (15:48:15) : I get a “Forbidden” error message with your link. Did you post the entire link? It looks like the end was truncated.

14 09 2008
plwalsh

From the washingtonpost.com:

Rove: McCain Has Gone ‘One Step Too Far’

By Robert Barnes
LOUDON, N.H. — The Obama campaign was pleased today to introduce a new ally: Karl Rove.

Well, maybe that goes a bit far, and its manner of introduction was not exactly one President Bush’s top political strategist might have chosen for himself.

Nonetheless, the campaign seized on Rove’s comments on Fox News Sunday today to bolster its case that Republican presidential nominee John McCain has been lying about Obama’s record in recent days. The Obama campaign has specifically decried two McCain ads: one that attempts to portray as an insult to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Obama’s contention that McCain’s calls for change are putting “lipstick on a pig,” and another Obama says misleads viewers about the purpose of a sex eduction bill he supported.

In response to a question, Rove said McCain “has similarly gone one step too far, attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100 percent truth test.”

14 09 2008
no more

@ intrigued. Here is a Q&A explaining Alaska aerial hunting from Defenders of Wildlife.
http://www.defenders.org/resources/publications/policy_and_legislation/aerial_hunting_q_and_a.pdf

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Redwoodman, Thanks for the link.

This whole subject sickens me. There MUST be another way — in fact, I read that a few years ago sterilization and male relocation was used successfully. Why was that method abandoned? It certainly is more humane. I guess that is boring compared with the thrill for the hunters … or maybe it’s the bounty.

14 09 2008
redwoodman

I had not been to the Alaskan site linked to below before today. Good info on SP’s stance on many things:

http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

14 09 2008
Green M&M's

Just a point of clarification —

The Ed Schultz Show is on at 08:00 am until 11:00.

I would hate to have someone tune in an miss it.
by the way – I attended the event and it was great.
I hope the message gets out to the states that this woman is a complete farce.

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Thank you No More.

This practice is soooo cruel; I can’t believe that more Alaskans aren’t outraged. I can’t stop crying. …

14 09 2008
plwalsh

Years ago, Farley Mowat wrote a book called “Never Cry Wolf.” Among other things, his claim was that wolves help caribou and other herds by culling sick and aged animals, leaving more food for healthy members. The wolves were usually not fast enough to catch the fittest animals. Hunters, however, use airplanes and other unfair advantages to kill the fittest members of the herd, often just cutting off the head or antlers as trophies and leaving the rest behind.

If you believe Mowat, there is absolutely no reason to cull wolves. He dismisses the same arguments that Palin seems to be making now as pure hunter propaganda with no basis in scientific fact.

14 09 2008
OBXPHX

Hi, AK, who is this Sherry Whitstine mentioned on the FP of the NYT this morning? Do tell!

14 09 2008
Suzi in Chicago

Hello Mudmates, here is a link to get involved in the Obama campaign:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/actioncenter

You can make calls from home, go door to door in your neighborhood, all kinds of great stuff. Oh, and don’t forget to keep those donations pouring in! We gave $77 MILLION last month!!!

14 09 2008
NoCalGal

can someone post for me information and/or the links of where to get succinct info on that trans canada pipeline??? I could go through all the threads- but I am lazy.

I want to add the arguments about that issue to my arsenal..

14 09 2008
jimstaro

I get a “Forbidden” error message with your link. Did you post the entire link? It looks like the end was truncated.

Lets Try This

If not it’s over at 236.com, Huffington has it on the right side right now.

14 09 2008
jimstaro

That worked!!

14 09 2008
RLS

@intrigued et al
Here is a pretty good explanation of the wolf hunts. Has some good link also.

http://www.slate.com/id/2199140/

14 09 2008
swineprincess

whichferret
are you over here now? where in Kansas… haven’t found many heck any Kansasans on this list!

14 09 2008
HelenWheels

Many of my lefty blogger friends agree that Palin has jumped the shark. Does she have anything new & positive to offer from here on out? Nope. Just more news emerging about who she is and what McLame has tried to pull over on us. I heard of one republican woman switching to support Obama just today. And more will follow. Their base was understandably energized by putting a woman on the ticket… sadly, these women thought that finally their party (the GOP) had started respecting women. Now they are finding out that this was a ploy to get their vote and they are getting ANGRY.

I think at this point, all Obama’s campaign has to do is point out that McLame/Palin = Bush.

Not hard to do. Start with their positions on The Bush Doctrine that practically defines Bush’s administration. Obama is against it, McLAME is FOR IT. Palin obviously didn’t know what it was. IF McLame doesn’t switch his position, he’ll look like a bush clone. If he does, then he’s a wimp and a flip flopper.

14 09 2008
OBXPHX

spoke with a Grand Canyon wolf relocation effort here in Arizona yesterday. he said that beefing up the caribou population helps the hunting tourism business in Alaska, and shooting the wolves helps the caribou population to increase. (plus, i’m thinking, offers another form of “hunting” – if you can call it that)

14 09 2008
Laurie

@Helen Wheels

Now that is a post I will read and read. I too believe that palin will start to lose her lustre. People…even rebublican woman will see that she was used to pander to them. Dem women who gave her a look will regain their senses.

SNL even though it is spoof…there is always an aspect of truth in it….and Tina Fey nailed Palin. Hopefully people with see that when you get past the pretty face…the gawdawful voice..there is nothing underneath.

14 09 2008
whichferret

So the cc’ing of the first dood needs to be explored. If he was included in Federal matters, like oil/natural gas money that is a serious breech of NATIONAL security. You know how much she loves to point out that energy is the most important thing in national security. What exactly does he do in oil? Seriously this could be WAY BIGGER than troopergate if someone looked into it

Whichferret aka Trough Gutted Palin

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

redwoodman

The link is very informative, thank you. The problem is this: the bloodthirsty &%#ards take a look at that link and say YEAH!

The bumper sticker descriptions of Sarah are exactly WHY people love her!

Most people don’t want to think about what it means to pay bounty on a wolf’s legs, they just want the money! Someone here posted about what the office might look like where you turn those legs in…bloody, hairy, stained paperwork…and where do they put the legs after the bounty is paid? Who carts them away, incinerates them. etc.

Typically, we don’t want to think about the “logical conclusion” of selections or decisions we make…and we have to start doing that.

14 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

ok folks: lamer IT question here– when the link pops up as the title of an entry, its been linked on another site? ?
if so, seems like the mudflats and the rally is going uber-viral

14 09 2008
redwoodman

@OBXPHX (16:03:21) :

Re: Who is Sherry Whitstine?

http://news.spreadit.org/sherry-whitstine-blogsherry-whitstine-sarah-palin/

The above link is an article about her. Below is a link for her blog, I think:

http://syrin.vox.com/

14 09 2008
whichferret

@Swineprincess I am in the Kansas City metro area. But on the Kansas side. And while there are more Democrats here than most areas of KS, we are still shouted down a lot of the time

Whichferret aka Trough Gutted Palin

14 09 2008
JJ- RE:CINDY MCCAINS DAD

JUST A LITTTLE OFF TOPIC BUT INTERESTING READ ANYWAY:
THE APPLE NEVER FALLS FAR FROM THE TREE-CINDY MCCAIN
Jim Hensley and his older brother Eugene first began working in the liquor distribution business before World War II, being in the employ of Kemper Marley, Sr., an Arizona rancher who had become wealthy in the liquor distribution business in Phoenix and Tucson following the end of Prohibition.

Following his discharge in 1945, Hensley and his brother went back to work for Marley in his United Sales Company in Phoenix and United Distributors in Tucson. In 1948, both brothers were prosecuted by the federal government and convicted of falsifying liquor records to conceal illegal distribution of whiskey against post-war rationing regulations. Jim Hensley received a six-month suspended sentence while his brother received a year in federal prison. In 1953, Jim Hensley and Marley were charged by federal prosecutors with falsifying liquor records. Defended by future Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist, they were acquitted.

14 09 2008
Suzi in Chicago

Here is the Fight the Smears area of the Obama website. Good to have on hand for if you get any of those annoying, false e-mails…

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/

14 09 2008
cmac

Cindy bites back!
Cindy McCain, wife of Republican presidential nominee John McCain, criticized the media at a weekend fundraiser, telling supporters that the hosts of The View “picked our bones clean.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

14 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

NWanne, I posted about this a few blogs earlier. I see you and I are on the same page!

14 09 2008
swineprincess

@whichferret
I’m in the hotbed of liberalism, Lawrence… good to know we’ve got a couple of us represented here — IF they (SP&Co) come here again, let’s follow our AK sister’s lead and stage an Anti-Palin rally….

14 09 2008
lemonfair

GJ in Idaho –

I think a lot of these women who are “identifying” with Palin need to reconsider. They may think of her as a kindred because they too have to juggle work and motherhood, but they don’t get to take their kids to the office.

Cynthia Tucker (Atlanta Journal Constitution editorial page editor) was saying on Chris Matthews’ show today that she’s heard from a lot of professional women who are afraid their bosses will now expect them to make the same choice Sarah Palin has made, at a time when many professional women have been deciding that “having it all” means working fewer hours so they can be with their children more.

14 09 2008
Laurie

Green…Ed Shultz is on at 8? tonight? if so what time zone

14 09 2008
redwoodman

@Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (16:13:33) :

You maybe correct about that. I am hoping more will view the site and come away disgusted with Sarah, her politics, her stance on women’s rights, her views on hunting… How many more should I list?

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Active Role for Palin’s Husband in Alaska Government

Haha!! Troopergate just may expose more than we thought…..

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14todd.html?bl&ex=1221537600&en=0a08e0fcae834dd5&ei=5087

14 09 2008
FiredUp AKA Falter Locust Palin

Slightly off-topic, so I apologize, but the SNL skit last night was not just hysterical (Way to Go Tina and Amy), but spot on as well. Thank you Amy for saying what I wish Hillary had said herself (although we all know she can’t because then she would be “whining.”) If you haven’t seen it, look for it online- it is well worth it!

14 09 2008
cheez

Chuck Douchebag Norton Masturbia Palin

14 09 2008
lemonfair

JJ- RE:CINDY MCCAINS DAD :

On this topic, here’s a must-read about “How Cindy Hensley invented John McCain.” from The New Republic. Utterly fascinating.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=0fd7470d-a41f-4d9e-9328-fd079b476a0a

14 09 2008
MAXTHE FROG

Just found this site. Fascinating. Nice to see that all 11 of you are preaching to your choir. Question… if Palin is hated by so many Alaskans, why does she have an “80-something” approval rating?

Never realized there was a People’s Republic of Alaska. Glad you Communists all live so close to Kamchatka. the one-way tickets we’ll be offering to most of you after Nov4 won’t cost as much.

14 09 2008
lemonfair

JJ- I should have said that article talks about how Jim Hensley got his money.

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Palin’s Cruel Streak

It just gets worse…..

Now they are slaughtering puppies of the wolves they have killed by aerial shooting — after those pups were abandoned for a solid month — then lying to cover it up (it’s illegal in AK).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/glenn-hurowitz/sarah-palins-cruel-streak_b_123388.html

14 09 2008
Intrigued

MaxtheFrog — She doesn’t. That was her rating pre Troopergate; post Troopergate it is in the 60s.

14 09 2008
whabs

I officially changed my homepage yesterday to Mudflats.
Please tell me Ed didn’t call anyone a bimbo or a slut.

14 09 2008
Anonymous

An idea………new names……..pitbull= poodle…..1st dude= 1st dud…McCain=McCoward……….also read The Naval Code of Honor……guess who fails miserably. Also he was in the bottom of his class……guess that legacy thing carried his fool ass through………do we have a 2nd on the new names ??

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Alaskans should have impeached or recalled the bitch in Aug. 2007 when she blew the $400,000 in taxpayer money for her propaganda campaign. Isn’t this misuse of taxpayer funds? Or is this legal up there?

http://dwb.adn.com/front/story/9253882p-9168881c.html

14 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Is Ed on now? Do you have to be a member to listen?

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Active Role for Palin’s Husband in Alaska Government

I hope Troopergate sheds more light on this. WHO ELECTED HIM?!! Is he the “real Governor?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14todd.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1221537600&en=0a08e0fcae834dd5&ei=5087&oref=slogin

14 09 2008
lemonfair

AKM – just saw this thing in the WSJ that some of the witnesses that were subpoenaed have agreed to testify:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/14/troopergate-subpoena-showdown-may-be-averted/

Two of the witnesses named Friday confirmed that they would cooperate.

On Sunday, Annette Kreitzer, Gov. Palin’s Commissioner of Administration, said in a telephone interview that she has agreed to testify, probably as soon as this coming week. “My understanding [is] it’s not just me, but everyone,” Ms. Kreitzer said, clarifying that by “everyone” she meant the four witnesses who worked directly in her unit at the Department of Administration.

14 09 2008
whabs

Anne Wilson vs. McCain/Palin

14 09 2008
Mil

*holds nose* I think a troll just farted in here.

MAXTHE FROG, if you want to talk reasonably, then by all means, please do. If not, well, you will be mocked and ignored as our whims take us.

14 09 2008
14 09 2008
ds55

A fun website where you can create an Obama logo with your own face in the middle to use as avatars, etc.

http://logobama.com/

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Mainstream press — AK Lawmakers Vote to Subpoena Palin’s Husband

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palin_troopergate

14 09 2008
Catherine

I’m just curious how old some of the commenters are. Sometimes I feel like this kind of activism is more appropriate for idealistic college kids – and at my age I should be more cynical than to think that one politician should be any different than another – but yet I do.

I’m 38 – anyone else want to spill the beans? 🙂

14 09 2008
ds55

@ Catherine: I’m almost old enough to be your Mom. Beyond that, my mother told me that any woman who tells her age is liable to tell anything. 😉

14 09 2008
whabs

@ RW
RE: “However… I feel that the more we talk about abortion in the ads, the more divided we become.”
Having been at you tube for the last few hours watching the wolf thread, I can tell you abortion is what is is breaking down to in that thread.

14 09 2008
Catherine

And remember – don’t feed the trolls!

14 09 2008
Sally

I haven’t commented on the site yet, but I’ve been an avid reader of this site since I discovered it a week ago. I’m 45.

14 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

57…:)

14 09 2008
Catherine

@ ds55: But despite a few gray hairs, no one thinks I look that old! So, I don’t mind so much spilling the beans because I get compliments for aging so well.

14 09 2008
belise

AKM – my turn to rave and say thank you! I never post or leave comments, but you have inspired me! I have been reading your posts for the last two weeks. I was in search of more information when McCain picked Palin and have been addicted ever since. Everytime I get that awful pit in my stomach (while watching msm – even some of my favorite cable shows) I know I can come here and feel better and be hopeful again. It’s great to see your stories getting out there. I hope it helps to change the conversation going on in the media. It’s crazy to me that the republicans can get away with such lies. Thank you!!!!

14 09 2008
Mil

Catherine, I’m 24.

14 09 2008
Catherine

Cool … I have only younger brothers and sisters, so it’s neat being one of the “kids” around the site. I don’t get that very often. 🙂

14 09 2008
marti

I am just as addicted to this site now as I was last week. I keep thinking it will resolve. Regarding Palin coming home after losing the election: I feel confident that she will be at the least censured – the evidence is clear that she is lying repetitively and frankly the state is being harmed in ways that are not yet apparent. Impeachment – that would be cool. Hi to everyone from the politics page of Huffington Post!! (5 seconds of fame)

14 09 2008
DeMo

NoCalGal said
“can someone post for me information and/or the links of where to get succinct info on that trans canada pipeline??? I could go through all the threads- but I am lazy.”

Google Palin TransCanada Pipeline. You should be able to find tons of info, including that no ground has been broken and nothing will flow for at least 10 years, if it’s constructed. If not, the company is due $500 million.

So, when she and McCain say she negotiated a deal for $40 billion, consider what it will cost. Moreover, TransCanada gives a different estimate. Anywhere from $26 billion to $31 billion. Apparently, she can’t do numbers.

Catherine – Practical, hopeful 46-year-old woman. Can’t be duped by Republican offer of a candidate with whom I share hormones. I need to share more than that to cast a vote. I don’t share skin color with Obama, but we share the same economic, foreign policy, social priorites vision for America.

I was a Hillary supporter. When she lost, I took a close look at McCain. What I saw is not the vision I seek.

14 09 2008
Alice

@mudRacker or Harley

Is there anyway that we can flag trolls when they appear so that we others don’t get sucked in.

I mean I should have known with the Chuck (Norris) norton…but well.

Now I have to go clean my shoes.

14 09 2008
willpen

Please click this link to sign a petition forcing John McCain to release his medical records. Pass it around to as many people as you can.

http://therealmccain.com/doctors/?utm_source=rgemail

14 09 2008
katiebegood

RW (14:52:24) :
It makes me sick that McCain is up in the polls. I’m losing faith in America. I just read on the Huffington Post that the misleading ads that McCain is airing are actually working.
I’ve been compiling a running list of links to help all of us use as ammunition to help convert undecided voters.

You might want to wean yourself from Huffington Post. They are starting to look like Politico. They run so many misleading headlines and skewed articles, I gave up on them.

And don’t despair about the polls. They are being cooked by the polling outfits who are now polling equal number of Democrats as Republicans. We all know there are way more registered Democrats than Republicans in this country. And then there’s the inconvenient truth of cell phone users and the millions of newly registered voters.

Don’t despair, but don’t get complacent. I’m glad that the polls and MSM are trying to make it look like a horse race. That will motivate more Obama supporters and motivate the new registered voters to actually vote.

14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

Catherine – I’m closer to Hillary in age than to Obama. Closer to both of them in philosophy than to the McCrank/Pain group.

14 09 2008
redwoodman

I’m 59, but who’s counting?

If I had known I would live this long, I would have taken better care of myself!

14 09 2008
chloe

Voting for Dummies:

This is pretty funny . .Nance Gregg:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/NanceGreggs/446

Chloe . . .ummm . .ugh – 49/seattle

14 09 2008
JoeAlvord

I’m 57 and was not an activist in college and we got Nixon. I’m trying to make up for that now.

For those who want to listen to Ed Schultz, he is on from 8:00 am to 11:00 am Alaska time (12:00 – 3:00 eastern). KUDO 1080 alaska usually runs the 9-11 segments but tomorrow will be airing the whole thing 8 to 11. It is also available on the web through http://www.bigeddieradio.com/ They list many stations that webcast the show. No membership needed.

14 09 2008
katiebegood

I’m 38 – anyone else want to spill the beans?
Sure, happy to. I’m 61 and look act and feel 45. I must admit I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the facts of my age. Oh well, I’ve heard that 60 is the new 50, so I guess that makes me 50.

14 09 2008
KC, Seattle

Jill,
Good to hear from you down there in Texas. We’ve been saying lots of prayers for all those folks who felt the wrath of Ike.

Glad to hear every Texan isn’t Republican! Wahoo!

I keep think there should be some kinda “morning After pill” just in case this whole thing goes bad. Those who voted McCain/Palen will wake up the day after the election and realize Palen is completely out of the picture and all they have is the MCCain they didn’t want 6 months ago. Time for the pill!

I agree with all the others who say this site is the one thing that keeps us going. I’ve forward many articles posted here to every news agency I can think of. Let’s keep the faith. I believe in Obama/Biden!!!!!!

This is a great newspaper site. You can see whats being said in every paper in the country.
http://www.newspaperlinks.com/voyager.cfm

Keep up the good work.
KC, Seattle

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

Catherine–

You mean I’ve been here for WEEKS and it’s not the AARP site?

60=Jeep Pike Palin

DS 55–

Your Mother is right, I’d probably tell anything!

14 09 2008
DeMo

willpen, it looks like McCain already released his medical records, unless I’m missing something.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/usvotes/story/2008/05/23/mccain-health.html

Just took a look at the link you provided. He released his record for the last 8 years. I didn’t realize reporters were only given 3 hours to look at them.

For me, not a big issue. The man is old. We know that. Melanoma. We know that. Smoker is his youth. We know that. I can’t see that he could have more issues or that more issues would change the fact that it is a risk to elect a man at his age, with his past health issues and his views for America.

Personally, I think he suffers with mental issues, which I’m not poking fun at. I don’t know how he could endure what he did without sustaining mental scars. I just don’t want to deal with the scar tissue, so to speak.

14 09 2008
Reality Check

Question for this esteemed group of thinkers: Should the Obama campaign have already made a commercial of Palin totally botching the “Bush doctrine” question?

I for one, think they should nail her on it and run it over and over in all the toss-up states.

14 09 2008
timc

Obama might get a boost tomorrow with the implosion of financial markets. Lehman Bros is filing for bankruptcy, dollar is getting beaten up around the world.

Some ask Sarah what we should do, sure she has lots of valuable insights. Maybe first dude could come up with a solution.

14 09 2008
judi

54 here..

14 09 2008
Alice

Folk.

There are so many blogs. It is hard to follow the discourse.

if you are responding to another blog, copy and paste the name and time so that we can find it easily if we are interested in the content..like this

Laurie (16:13:02)

now laurie…where is @Helen Wheels?

14 09 2008
ds55

@ willpen: McCain already released his medical records. Now we need a petition for Palin.

14 09 2008
Anonymous

katiebegood is right………excellent blogger – jnail – read his ” judgementgate update 9-14-08 ” he is all over poodle !!!!!!

14 09 2008
Suzi in Chicago

Fired up? Ready to go? You will be after watching the highlights from the infamous speech given by our Next President, Barack Obama, at the 2004 Democratic convention!!!

THEN, get involved!!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/actioncenter

You can do anything from making phone calls at home to traveling to nearby states for door to door cavasing.

And don’t forget to register to vote and donate!

14 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA: a.k.a. buck shot nugent

Thank you No More.

This practice is soooo cruel; I can’t believe that more Alaskans aren’t outraged. I can’t stop crying. …
_____________________________________________

intrigued, i had the same reaction. it is just unbelievable especially for someone who claims to be “pro-life”

___________________________________________________________________

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to find out if a station near you carries his show go to:
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he is on the jones radio network (sorry i think i told someone in an earlier thread he was air america)

These fine affiliate stations broadcast ‘The Ed Schultz Show’ LIVE through internet streaming:

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14 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

the dollar is up against the euro, the turnaround started about 2 weeks ago….
hmmm it was around 1.57, is at 1.42, tested 1.39 briefly yesterday
these are approximates!

14 09 2008
redwoodman

LMAO, timc… Yes… What would Sarah do???? No doubt she’ll ask the first dude for advice…

14 09 2008
HelenWheels

I’m an incredibly young 45… by other peoples’ accounts. Frankly, right now, I feel tired!

Again, don’t worry about the election BUT DO ALL YOU CAN to help.

We are watching people realize who Palin really is this weekend. The MSM (finally) is cooperating.

By next week, she won’t be the darling she was a few days ago. Information has a way of getting out when you have 1000’s of relentless bloggers on the case. The MSM might be horribly biased but they don’t like to be scooped.

14 09 2008
plwalsh

I can remember when the euro was worth 89 cents.

14 09 2008
katiebegood

I wish Hillary had said herself (although we all know she can’t because then she would be “whining.”) If you haven’t seen it, look for it online- it is well worth it!

I wish that Hillary would say SOMETHING about Palin. She has pretty much been MIA since Palin came on the scene. If I were Hillary, I would be furious that someone so unqualified may slip through the 18 million cracks she made in the ceiling.

14 09 2008
plwalsh

Did anybody notice that Lehman Brothers is about to go bankrupt? The various rescue schemes all failed. This bank, too, was considered “too big to fail.”

Someone should ask Palin how she would handle this.

14 09 2008
KTN aka Wood Corps Palin

..i am 37 .

14 09 2008
chloe - Skein Chug Palin

Skein Chug Palin

?????????FTW?????????????

14 09 2008
JoeAlvord

McCain released 30,000 pages of medical records for three hours. No notes of any kind were permitted. This is what lawyers call “buring in paper”.

14 09 2008
Alice

belise (16:48:35) :

Nice to hear from you. I found this blog on the Saturday of the Palin pick.

It has been wonderful to be able to come here among friends. Without huffpost, the Obama campaign sight and this blog I would have been in despair……now NY times is also seeing the light.

Cheers for mudflats and mudracker and all of the strong, truly independent women of Alaska!

14 09 2008
CSS moonseeds

Mudflats,
check out the pic I got a hold of with Palin holding a gun in a flag-kini…I don’t know what else to say…..ugh…

14 09 2008
DeMo

Alice said:
“if you are responding to another blog, copy and paste the name and time so that we can find it easily if we are interested in the content..like this

Laurie (16:13:02)”

I’ll go a step further and request that people copy and paste the post or part of the post to which they are responding. That way, people don’t have to scroll all over the place. What is relevant would appear in one post.

As for links to other sites or articles, can we try to give a one sentence summary? For instance, facts about _________. Or, NYTimes highlights _______. I don’t want to go to link that trolls provide.

If you can do the above, great and thanks. If not, we’ll just keep moving forward anyway.

14 09 2008
Alice

katiebegood (17:07:50)

Hillary has been rallying with Obama in Ohio and I am sure that she has said something……The press hasn’t picked it up yet and so I will wait until Obama wishes to reveal it.

14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

Ignore the polls. Just more public perception manipulation, like msm, et al. Obama has the smartest team on the ground, and the current media crush on Pain is ending. You can see it as the polls shrink McCrank’s “lead” and the articles about his running mate turn into exposes of her abuse of power.

I, too, felt the shock of “NO, Not Again!” It looked like the election had been decided. I remember that sinking feeling when the press turned against Gore & Kerry. But we do not back down, we do not stop. Never, ever again!

I’m from the age that said good-by to high school and college classmates as they were shipped off to Vietnam. So when the rethugs openly talked about bombing Iran and war with Russia, my first thought was to send my child overseas as the rethugs will need to draft for cannon fodder. But – NO! They can’t have him, and they can’t have the White House!

Call, Write, Donate, Protest. Never give up. Never give in. Keep your eyes on the prize. The stakes are too high.

Not This Time!

14 09 2008
Zim in Oz

Morning all (…it is morning in Australia) Today is good…you can look forward to it.

When ‘SHE’ was introduced it was noted that ‘she’ had an 80% approval rating in Alaska….if true where is evidence of that poll or is ithis just another ‘furfy’ like the bridge to nowhere ?

14 09 2008
Alice

DeMo (17:12:28

“I’ll go a step further and request that people copy and paste the post or part of the post to which they are responding. That way, people don’t have to scroll all over the place. What is relevant would appear in one post.”

Good point…and it is soooo easy!

sweet dreams

14 09 2008
timc

Pwalsh,

Lehman was never going to get a bail-out. The banking system has real problems and the Fed has said no more bail-outs. Merrill Lynch was forced to accept a buyout from Banc of America.

Tomorrow is goin to be very chaotic on Wall Street which is where I work. Of worry to me is that Mcsame has not financial expertise and does not really care as long as the military gets all the money it needs to bully whoever he wants around the world.

14 09 2008
Zim in Oz

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
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Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz

14 09 2008
White Agate

I’m 38, almost 39, gadzooks!

Ever have a thought and then read something at the same time that was the same thought, only better formulated? I’ve often thought that this election, in particular, is about Yin-Yang, Dragon-Phoenix, if you will. Today I was reading a book I just bought, ‘The Little Earth Book,’ by the green entrepreneur /activist James Bruges, who is British but has done a lot of work in India, too. The book is about how human life on Earth needs to become sustainable or perish. Tons of good information from all levels of society, countries, and enterprises. Anyway, in the introduction he says:

‘The United States is dominated by a belief in growth, competition, control, confrontation and all the male yang qualities. But a quarter of its citizens can now be described as ‘cultural creatives’ with concerned, caring, cooperative, responsible, holistic, female yin qualities. It is these Americans who appreciate diversity of culture, who are dreaming up new ways of doing business, new technologies, new management styles and new forms of social organization–creating the potential once again for a New World. The cultural creatives have inherited the qualities of the Founders of this great nation. Let us hope the planet gives us time to redress the yin-yang balance and allow world affairs to move toward justice and sanity.’ (Page 8)

This really validated my thoughts and made me realize the degree to which the world is watching and needs the US to follow a new path, because so much flows from that.

He also says: ‘Above all, we could return to the United States’ unique constitution and to the ideals of its Founders who struggled against corporate tyranny and resolved that government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall not perish from the earth.

But change must be radical. If the scale of remedial action fails to match the scale of the crises, we face catastrophe.’ (Also page 8)

You can debate that last point, but it’s food for thought. Are we at a political-cultural-social tipping point, the results of which will either be advanced or slightly delayed by the outcome of this election? Thoughts?

14 09 2008
DeMo

Reality Check said:
Question for this esteemed group of thinkers: Should the Obama campaign have already made a commercial of Palin totally botching the “Bush doctrine” question?

I don’t think so. It speaks for itself. MSM has been all over it. If the Obama campaign made a commercial, it would look cheap, imo.

14 09 2008
White Agate

Sorry, page eight both times, didn’t mean to put smilies.

14 09 2008
otis

i think everyone should go to Oprah.com and email Oprah to get on the stick and start DOING something more to promote Obama to her audience. There is a group out of Florida (GOP) who are boycotting her show and mag (not that that will make one bit of diff to Oprah) – but she could be doing two mins at the end of every show talking to her audience about the issues and driving home the point that BO is the change we NEED. http://www.oprah.com
if enough people write her, maybe she’ll become more proactive.

14 09 2008
Mil

otis (17:20:07) :

i think everyone should go to Oprah.com and email Oprah to get on the stick and start DOING something more to promote Obama to her audience…

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She may have been asked to ease off. She was overshadowing him for a time.

14 09 2008
Jon A

Just watching ‘Sarah Palin Revealed’ on CNN. In telling the story about her marriage, turns out the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. I wasn’t previously aware, but Sarah and Todd had their first child 8 months after they ‘surprised’ everyone by ‘eloping’. I’m no mathematician, or doctor, but the timelines just don’t quite add up.

Normally, this wouldn’t be much to get worked up about, but given the public nature of her devout religious beliefs, I find this – what is the word…..

14 09 2008
Alice

KC, Seattle (16:59:40) :

“This is a great newspaper site. You can see whats being said in every paper in the country.”
http://www.newspaperlinks.com/voyager.cfm

Great sight…wish I had more time to enjoy it….it is good for reaference though and I have put it my favorites

14 09 2008
MissSue aka Barrel McRaven Palin

Reality Check said:
Question for this esteemed group of thinkers: Should the Obama campaign have already made a commercial of Palin totally botching the “Bush doctrine” question?

As much as I dislike Palin’s stand on just about everything, I believe that it would be in Obama’s best interest to keep the commercials aimed at McCain. Time to take the spotlight off of SP and put it where it belongs; on the man without a stand on anything. It’s time McCain stopped hiding behind SP’s skirt.

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

JoeAlvord
…”I’m 57 and was not an activist in college”

You missed all the fun!

I went to Chicago’s DNC in 68–until my parents (Staunch Republicans) threatened to not pay for Sr. Year unless I got my @$$ back to school.

Got pepper sprayed in DC in 1969, thank you Nixon—although we were all on the bus waiting to go home at that point!

Married ( still, after 38 years)

Second child ( a son) was born as we were withdrawing troops from Vietnam (his official religion on his birth certificate is Conscientious Objector)

Four kids and two grandbabies later and the fight still goes on….

Cassie Jeep Pike Palin–wish I were Jeep Trout Palin

14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

timc: “Tomorrow is goin to be very chaotic on Wall Street which is where I work.” Good luck tomorrow. I will be up all night watching the international markets with concern. This is a very dangerous time, not just financially, for the US and the countries its policies impact (basically, worldwide).

I’m sorry that President Obama will inherit this crisis. But I trust him to deal with it. I would hate to see the rightwingers in power during a crisis, with all the extra powers they have given the presidential office. Democracy must survive.

14 09 2008
Olive

I just read on CNN.com that Palin doesn’t plant to return to Alaska until after the election – she will travel for over 50 days straight, but luckily, Todd will travel with her. What???

Isn’t he taking care of the kids? How do they leave a newborn, a seven year old and two teenagers (one pregnant at that) for almost two months?

Who travels on business, to this extent especially, with their spouse?

Sounds like Todd is loving the attention and circus atmosphere – much more fun than the boring grind at home with the kids. This is the trip of a lifetime for old Todd. Sounds like the first dude needs a little vetting too, as this is clearly a package deal.

14 09 2008
Alice

White Agate (17:18:42)

“The United States is dominated by a belief in growth, competition,
control, “confrontation and all the male yang qualities. But a quarter of its citizens can now be described as ‘cultural creatives’ with concerned, caring, cooperative, responsible, holistic, female yin qualities. It is these Americans who appreciate diversity of culture, who are dreaming up new ways of doing business, new technologies, new management styles and new forms of social organization–creating the potential once again for a New World. The cultural creatives have inherited the qualities of the Founders of this great nation. Let us hope the planet gives us time to redress the yin-yang balance and allow world affairs to move toward justice and sanity.”

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I like the connection

And Palin is so much about a certain death and destiny…It feels that we are at a swing in the pendulum

14 09 2008
Deb

as an “Independent” voter…..who tends to lean toward the left…I’m always amazed at the way the right likes to call us “liberals” or “socialists” as if those are dirty words!
just for fun I went to wikipedia looked up “liberal”…all in all everything it says looks GOOD to me…so why is it so BAD to be a liberal?
as for “socialist”, I have solid christian background…and my understanding is that Jesus was a socialist. Again, why is that bad then?

14 09 2008
DeMo

otis said:
“i think everyone should go to Oprah.com and email Oprah to get on the stick and start DOING something more to promote Obama to her audience. There is a group out of Florida (GOP) who are boycotting her show and mag (not that that will make one bit of diff to Oprah) – but she could be doing two mins at the end of every show talking to her audience about the issues and driving home the point that BO is the change we NEED.”

Respectfully, I disagree. She’s a TV show host. Yes, one with a lot of power, but she’s said she’s not getting involved this time. She can’t. She endorsed Obama, which is more than she’s ever done before.

She’s not hosting the candidates.

Her show shouldn’t be a platform for her to get out her political stance.

The people who are boycotting her show are doing it because she endorsed him. Plug his postition on issues at the end of the show? Nooooo. Backlash.

Tomorrow’s show is about the education bill and how to protect kids from sexual predators. I think that’s more than enough. Tacit endorsement. Overt statements won’t work. Not when Obama has already been accused of the cult of personality.

Folks, do what you want about this, but I fear it will bite Obama in the butt.

14 09 2008
mvngfwd

42…and in no way feeling a “bond” with Ms.P! She and I have NOTHING in common other than our “nether regions”. I even gave up that 90’s hair-do along time ago. I identify much more with a smart, compassionate, strategic, caring person who truly wants the best for this country. And that person is Barack Obama so “thanks but no thanks” McPalin!

14 09 2008
Linda in Virginia

61 and haven’t been so fired up about an election since . . . well, a long time ago!

14 09 2008
Mil
14 09 2008
Alice

Olive (17:26:44)
Isn’t he taking care of the kids? How do they leave a newborn, a seven year old and two teenagers (one pregnant at that) for almost two months?

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You have to wonder. Where is the baby? And as far as Todd goes…well I have the feeling that he is the real driving force behind this family. In other words. Their family values SUCK…which explains a lot.

Can’t talk about the kids though….do you see Barack parading around

14 09 2008
MissSue aka Barrel McRaven Palin

Not sure if anyone has seen this, but it made me chuckle. Think I’ll have to make it my desktop

http://media.photobucket.com/image/mccain%20pope/summerfox333/jtre.jpg?o=1

14 09 2008
lemonfair

Catherine –

Also old enough to be your mom.

What are we, a bunch of aging hippies? That wouldn’t be such a surprise, would it.

Don’t be discouraged because there are so many old folks here. Many of us went through this organizing/protesting bit once before.

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

timc–

So, it really is “the economy, stupid” I think Carville said that years ago, but I have posted here about it…pages ago. …and I believe it!

We have everyone lining up for bailouts (Bear Stearns,Fannie, Freddie, Lehman, Ford), we’re pushing through arms sales to Dubai and anyone else in the middle east who “pretends” to agree with us, oil companies already got theirs and Merrill Lynch goes to the door tomorrow, we’re selling America to anyone who will buy.

This is the “economic poll” that tells me the Republicans have ceded the election—they want to get what they can before an Obama administration imposes oversight on these activities.

I’m coutning on Barack and Joe to say fine–that’s the deal you struck with the last administration. Now let’s go to the table and do this right!

Image of today—pigs at the trough.

Image for tomorrow—get it right this time!

14 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@MissSue aka Barrel McRaven Palin – re: Bush Doctrine, controversial subject. It’s been altered numerous times, hence making her initial response “In what respect?” a point of argument amongst her supporters. (They’ve even managed to convince people that her next idiotic response, “His world vieew?” wasn’t so bad!) There are also those who think that she shouldn’t have been expected to know what it is at all. To people watching that kind of commercial who support McCain/Palin, I think it would completely backfire. I’ve already seen a lot of people who didn’t know what it was themselves, dismiss it completely — if THEY didn’t know it, why should she? That’s how some see it. I think there are better, more tangible things.

@otis re: Oprah. She hasn’t had any of the candidates on. Obama was on before he announced he was running. Especially considering that she came out in public for the first time to endorse a candidate, I think she is doing the right thing. I don’t belong to the “Church of Oprah” but I feel sorry for what she’s being accused of. I don’t want to see Palin OR any of the other candidates on until after the election.

14 09 2008
FiredUp AKA Falter Locust Palin

I am 37. Never gave money to a candidate before, but I have given 4 times to Obama. Never volunteered before, but just signed up for Counsel for Change and to write some post cards. Never posted on a blog before this one. I have included this link on my facebook page and have told everyone I know about it.

I am looking forward to casting my vote FOR someone this year, instead of just AGAINST someone. Funny, until August 29, I was only casting my vote FOR Obama. Now I am also casting it AGAINST McCain (for perptrating this travesty on the country that I love) and Palin (for more reasons that I could list here).

14 09 2008
Ky

Catherine, I am 28. It’s good to see a nice range of ages, here!

Intrigued, thank you so much for the new information on aerial “hunting”.
For anyone outside of Alaska, this practice is HIGHLY looked down on by the majority of Alaskans. Yes, even hunters. There is absolutely no need for it. If the moose/caribou population did dip down dangerously low, why wouldn’t they just ban sport hunting for a while, hmm?

Wolves pick out the sick animals, creating healthier herds. Also, in nature, the predator/prey take turns in dominating the population. For a time, there will be more prey, and then after a while, there will be more predators. When there isn’t enough prey to support the predator’s population, they will die off, and there will be more prey.

14 09 2008
AnneinWA

Catherine – I am 60.

I am also wondering if there are folks who are willing to share where they live. Possibly some of us are very near each other and could join forces to support each other and finding ways to become effective COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS

Anne in Washington, about 50 miles south of Seattle.

14 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA: a.k.a. buck shot nugent van palin

timc: “Tomorrow is goin to be very chaotic on Wall Street which is where I work.” Good luck tomorrow. I will be up all night watching the international markets with concern. This is a very dangerous time, not just financially, for the US and the countries its policies impact (basically, worldwide).
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i agree. it is criminal that those in power have left our country in shambles and have made terrible decisions that have impacted the world in a negative way. i trust after 8 years of Obama we will be set on the right path again, but it will take a lot longer to be fully healed. the key is, we should not reward ignorance and greed and we definitely cannot become complacent.

14 09 2008
DELNORTECO aka MANGLE BLUE

Does anyone living in Alaska know if the Palins or family are outfitters.Do they own a plane? I hunt but I do not hunt from a plane that just makes me sick.To ran an animal into the ground is just sick.Hell it’s hard enough to walk in heavy deep snow let alone run in it.

14 09 2008
Alice

DeMo (17:28:37)

“She’s not hosting the candidates.

Her show shouldn’t be a platform for her to get out her political stance.

The people who are boycotting her show are doing it because she endorsed him. Plug his postition on issues at the end of the show? Nooooo. Backlash.”
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Oprah is standing by her man Obama. She has the right and more power to her.

Palin doesn’t really want ot be on her show anyways…..White, straight, pro-life woman will have to get over it. Oprah does not need them…they will eventually come back to her.

kudos to Oprah for standing tall!

14 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

white agate:
did you see my post about zbigniew brezinski?
he said the same thing, came at it from a geopolitical perspective.
how we will use the military to push our way against the tide you are talking about, or we can decide to radically shift gears… and what all that means with re: to allies and if we’ll still have any once europe goes their own way if we don’t lead.

14 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA: a.k.a. buck shot nugent van palin

i am a 35 white woman. i have been for obama since the primaries.

14 09 2008
Alice

Ky (17:36:16)

“Wolves pick out the sick animals, creating healthier herds. Also, in nature, the predator/prey take turns in dominating the population. For a time, there will be more prey, and then after a while, there will be more predators. When there isn’t enough prey to support the predator’s population, they will die off, and there will be more prey.”
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Yes and the hunters try to pick the strongest animals which will make the best trophies…….it is a sick practice and demonstrates NO VALUE FOR LIFE (for all of the pro-lifers out there).

14 09 2008
timc

Cassie,

Yes it always comes down to the economy for most voters. I have lots of friends at Lehman and Merrill with 6 and 7 figure incomes who are now unemployed. CNBC is showing Lehman employees walking out of their offices with boxes.

These peope would normally be Repub voters due to economic self interest. Think that might change now.

14 09 2008
RW

katiebegood – I hope you are right.

The situation is making me take more of an active roll. I was a first time donator this week, and I just called the local Obama office up to put a sign in my yard. ( Signs in Denver are not here yet and are supposed to arrive later this week). I’m going to see if I can get a few additional signs and look for people who are willing to place them in their yards. My neighborhood happens to have a lot of McCain signs everywhere.

14 09 2008
CRFlats

@Catherine–55, unless you count in Palin years (y’know, l
“life begins at conception”)

14 09 2008
Alice

Alice (17:32:16)

missed some of my feed up there.

“Can’t talk about the kids though….do you see Barack parading around his kids?
Not so much….Piper ahs become a star. She is cute but should she have to bear the brunt of politics

14 09 2008
Olive

Good article by Thomas Friedman about the economic future of our country:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14friedman.html?hp

14 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

Don’t know if this was posted before, but I just got the link below from one of my Repub friends, with the subject line, “why I will vote Repubican”

Gives my hope for my Repub friends.

14 09 2008
White Agate

Laughing No Longer…Did not see it. But the European posters/readers here have made me feel it is the case.

Is it true that our national debt has significantly increased over the past 2 days? And the millions in damage in TX. It’s an intervention electorate, folks!

‘Bush Doctrine,’ the definition keeps changing, but I always thought of it as ‘creating your own reality’ (because I considered myself a member of the ‘reality-based community’) and acting preemptively for US interests, up to and including war, or war by other definitions. Yes, I think it is both a world view and a policy (they are obviously connected), but it was not a smooth answer.

The kids are probably being minded by extended family or a nanny.

G’night, all, I live in SE MN. Kinda purple these days. I will continue with calls and gleaning talking points I read here, and seeing if local dems want to get together. All you have to do is walk into the local DFL office here and they give you something to do, so….

14 09 2008
Deb

RW-I’m in the Denver metro area also, but more out in the “burbs” and I have yet to see a McCain sign, although I have seen both McCain and Obama bumper stickers. I did see one apparently homemade Obama sign someone put out on median today). One can only hope that Colorado will stay on the blue side, but I know it will be tight.
I have signed up to help at local Obama headquarters.

14 09 2008
UWSNYC

Someone please investigate why the Alaskan Budget Dept workers used the term “I was Palin’d” to describe any report that was a complete mess.

14 09 2008
NMJ

Catherine (16:50:54) :Why Catherine, you young whippersnapper, you!

14 09 2008
Olive

Fine. We don’t care who is taking care of her kids. It’s none of our business. She’ll raise them as she sees fit. She knows what she’s doing. She’s a great mother. Let’s not judge.

What is the story with Todd? I’m anxious to read some good reporting about his seemingly vast influence over his wife’s business affairs. Did he sit in on her budget meetings as reported? Is he really copied on all her official correspondence?

This is highly unusual.

14 09 2008
Alice

redwoodman (15:56:42)

Thank you for the link. I have come across it before but lost it

http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

Anyone who is inetersted. this link really lays the facts out about Palin, the AIP, hunting and wil-life protection

14 09 2008
RW

Anonymous –

You wrote ” katiebegood is right………excellent blogger – jnail – read his ” judgementgate update 9-14-08 ” he is all over poodle !!!!!!”

Can you provide a link?

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

DELNORTECO aka MANGLE BLUE…”Does anyone living in Alaska know if the Palins or family are outfitters.Do they own a plane?

As far as I know, they, themselves are not outfitters, and they only own a seaplane.

14 09 2008
Alice

GJ in Idaho (17:48:34) :

Don’t know if this was posted before, but I just got the link below from one of my Repub friends, with the subject line, “why I will vote Repubican”

Gives my hope for my Repub friends.
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Thanks GJ…great link!

14 09 2008
Ky

“Fine. We don’t care who is taking care of her kids. It’s none of our business. She’ll raise them as she sees fit. She knows what she’s doing. She’s a great mother. Let’s not judge.”

I agree with you, Olive. Let’s stick to the real issues, guys!

14 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

hi all- i’m going to repost this re: the Bush Doctrine because there seems to be some misinformation. it is important – we cannot change our STRATEGERY of pre-emptive war until we get out of the one we’re in.
the argument is contained herein…
sorry i’m not a better writer, but the part about one-liners, is very serious! thanks all.

regarding mclaughlins erroneous assertions:

the bush doctrine is an addition to along stream of “doctrines” in our history. each one is a response to the previous, either in departing from its premise, or adding to it.
remember the Monroe Doctrine? says we can mess in the affairs of anyone in our hemisphere. it was a response to european powers meddling in south and central america, and the response of a young country that saw the dangers of pressure from the outside. remember, there were a lot of different interests that were in conflict. agriculture in the south, manufacturing in the north. the civil war wasn’t about slavery as much as divergent economic interests in totality.
the roosevelt correlary added an economic dimension in order to blunt european aid and expanding trade to our neighbors. This one also is the beginning of the basis of expansion of the presidency, leading right up to our imperial exec we got now. each one built on the previous to some extent.
we all heard about the Powell doctrine, a reaction (thus a departure and shift) to miscalculation of our abilities to use war as a solution. I think on the wiki page there is a timeline of doctrines at the bottom.
The Bush doctrine says pre-emptive war is ok. based in the philosophy of the neo-cons, it plays on the “OPPORTUNITY” that the “end” of the cold war presents to the united states. there has been NO departure of this from Bush, Inc. There has been plenty of diplomatic backpedaling, and loads of infighting between the signatories to the PNAC. Their theories proved untenable, but they aren’t willing to give up the notion of hegemonic world power. all this wedge-issue and culture stuff is marketing and distraction. cheney and his ilk truly believe their theory is still correct. dominate or be dominated. thats how they see it.
so mclaughlin is a pundit, and i don’t care if he knows or doesn”t know BASIC tenets of first-year college poly-sci. But, in order to make those “unblinking” decisions, one should have a strong basis of knowledge as to how these forces operate and conflict with one another. The mere idea that one could learn a bunch of policy one-liners with one perspective and posess NO depth of understanding and run this country is LUDICROUS.
john mclaughlin flat out LIED.
jeez, can ya believe they would DO such a thing? in-credible.

14 09 2008
Alice

Deb (17:49:39)

Being from a Blue state, my prayers are with you in colorado

14 09 2008
ds55

@ Olive (17:26:44) : “Sounds like the first dude needs a little vetting too, as this is clearly a package deal.”

I find it downright creepy that Todd follows Sarah around like a henchman. If he was delivering speeches as a surrogate, like Michelle Obama, I could understand but he’s just smiling and waving.

Earlier someone mentioned maybe Sarah can’t make final decisions without him because of her religious beliefs, i.e. he is “god head” of the family.

I know I’m biased against her, but when I try to step back and be objective it’s still odd that he’s always right on her heels. I don’t see Biden’s wife following him around everywhere, so what gives?.

14 09 2008
ocliberal

I’m 57, raised in GOPland, Orange County, CA. I actually went to a Nixon rally when I was 14 but came to my senses when I went to college. I protested against the Vietnam War, worked actively for George McGovern, cried when Bush stole the election in 2000 and I had cousins who were at Kent State and saw student murdered by Nat’l Guard.

I am anti-war more than anything else (although I supported finding Osama Bin Laden and bringing him to justice.

I’m of the sincere belief that wars accomplish nothing except to kill, main and destroy. Obama says he believes in diplomacy. Palin says she would attack without blinking. She scare me – alot.

I have four children, 36, 34, 27 and my ‘baby’ is 14 (who I had when I was 43).

I am afraid for this election because I am very afraid the closet racism will raise it’s ugly head and keep people from making the right choice.

I want the conversation to go back to the economy and the war. I’m sick of the Republican’s dirty tricks and lying ways but I can tell you that they have been doing it since I was a kid so it’s not going to change.

Blogs like this, which as we can all see, resulted in visible action, is what will make the difference I pray!!!!

14 09 2008
Intrigued

UGH! Now The Sun (UK) is enamored with her?!

(GAG ALERT) Here her dad boasts about how he taught her to hunt when she was only a young girl and locals continue to extol her “virtues.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/the_real_american_idol/article1687959.ece

14 09 2008
RW

Deb- Glad to see another Coloradoan here. 🙂

I have yet to see an Obama sign. There are about 5 McCain signs in yards that are just within 2 blocks of my house.

The Obama office told me to keep calling for the signs, as they should be arriving this week.

14 09 2008
mollie

I haven’t posted much, but I have been lurking for weeks. It’s somewhat like a support group for me – I think I’d be a raving lunatic by now if I didn’t know other people were as concerned as I am.

I’m 35 – and shocked that I’m among the youngest here! Here I am sending links to my mom, like I know something she doesn’t.🙂

14 09 2008
Olive

OC liberal –

I think racism is apparent in people who say, “I don’t know enough about Obama’s background” to vote for him, yet they were behind Palin five minutes after her introduction because she seems like “one of us.” I know many people like this and they don’t consider themselves racist.

This is why 70% of the so-called independents will probably break for McCain.

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

timc…” I have lots of friends at Lehman and Merrill with 6 and 7 figure incomes who are now unemployed. CNBC is showing Lehman employees walking out of their offices with boxes.These peope would normally be Repub voters due to economic self interest. Think that might change now.”

I wish that were true, but one of our kids stayed with the transition team at Bear Stearns and most of those guys just went elsewhere and will continue to vote Republican, at least for several more years.

That kid (of ours) is currently in Zambia collecting material to write about. I can’t wait to post her “Obama” pictures from there–we’re only getting short emails at the moment.

I, too, would almost vote Republican so that Mc Cain or Sarah would have to deal with this economic mess, but I love my country too much!

14 09 2008
curlyhairedmomnyc

Hey, Olive. The cover of the NY Times today has a story you would be very interested in. Covers all sorts of juicy tidbits on how Todd Palin has been present at confidential meetins and that Palin’s kids are taken care of by a babysitter (no big deal) who is label Palin’s executive assistant (or something like that) to the tune of $68K ( a big deal).

14 09 2008
J-PALIN IS NOT A WOMAN'S FRIEND

NOT THAT I EXPECT THIS TO APPEAR IN THE STATESMAN-BUT HERE GOES
GOVERNOR PALIN’S OPPOSITION TO ABORTION REALLY DISTURBS ME. HAVING WORKED WITH RAPE AND INCEST VICTIMS OVER A PERIOD OF MANY YEARS, OBSERVING THE PAIN AND GRIEF THEY SUFFER, HOW COULD ANY INDIVIDUAL OBJECT TO THEIR CHOICE TO, OR NOT TO, HAVE AN ABORTION. THAT OUGHT TO BE A PERSONAL DECISION BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL AND THEIR MAKER. IT SERVES NO REAL PURPOSE TO AJUDICATE AN INDIVIDUAL’S CHOICE, ESPECIALLY, UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS SUBJECT IS SO SENSITIVE THAT NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO APPLY THEIR OWN PRINCIPALS TO ANOTHER WOMAN THE WAY PALIN DOES. NO ONE! WOMEN OUGHT TO ASK THEMSELVES; “IF MY DAUGHTER WERE RAPED, OR HAD TO ENDURE INCEST, AND BECAME PREGNANT AS AN END RESULT WHAT WOULD I WANT FOR HER? BETTER YET, WOULD I WANT HER TO MAKE “THE” CHOICE, UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF A GOOD PHYCOLOGIST , OR WOULD I WANT HER TO SUFFER THE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCE OF AN ACT THAT WAS NOT OF HER CHOOSING, UNDER A LAW PUT INTO PLACE BY THE STATE, OR GOVERNMENT?” WOMEN WAKE UP! THESE LAWS WILL EFFECT YOU!!! PALIN IS NOT AN ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN!
FURTHER I AM OPPOSED TO THE IDEA THAT RAPE VICTIMS HAD TO PAY 800-1200$ FOR RAPE KITS IN THE CITY OF WISILLA, AK. WHEN PALIN WAS MAYOR. WHY WOULD GOV. PALIN, WHO IS IN IN A POSITION OF CHANGING A LAW SO BIASED AGAINST ANOTHER WOMAN, OR FEMALE CHILD, WITH THE ABILITY TO RALLY FOR CHANGE, OPPOSE DOING SO? THIS IS PART OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, IT IS THE ONLY SCIENTIFIC WAY OF APPREHENDING A PERP. ONE NEEDS TO WONDER HOW PALIN WOULD HANDLE SUCH A LAW AS V.P. I THINK THE UNITES STATES IS NOT YET READY FOR A SARAH PALIN AS V.P. WOMEN SHOULD FEEL SAFE AND PROTECTED BY THE LAWS IN THIS WONDERFUL PLACE WE CALL AMERICA, NOT OPRESSED BY LAWS THAT PLAY IN FAVOR OF PERPETRATORS OF VIOLENT CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN. AGAIN I SAY PALIN IS NOT FOR WOMEN AND WOMEN’S ISSUES.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTERJECT ONE COMMENT TO JERRY KRAMER: CONSIDERING YOUR SUPPORT OF ABORTION IN THE PAST, AND WE BOTH UNDERSTAND THIS STATEMENT, I FEEL YOUR OPINION IS RATHER MOOT. REFER BACK TO 1996-7. REGARDS AN IDAHO WOMAN!

14 09 2008
pamela

@Catherine – I’m 54. I didn’t vote in ’72 and we got Nixon – I’ve felt guilty ever since. I voted 3rd party in ’80 and we got Reagan – (Nothing against 3rd parties – sometimes the 2 party system seems so futile, but I’m so sick of hearing about St. Ronald.)

@lemonfair – “Aging hippies”? Can think of worse things to be called🙂

14 09 2008
Olive

Curly haired…

I read the article and it only made me more curious! What decisions has he influenced? What is his agenda? Does anyone else find this unbelievable?

The assistant was accused of working as a state-paid babysitter, which she denies. My guess is that now that everyone is watching, they are using someone else.

14 09 2008
Anonymous

For the record………W is not from Texas!!!!………he was born in Conn. and moved here when he was3……….the Dixie Chicks were SO right!!

14 09 2008
ocliberal

Alaska Women Reject Palin is a recommended diary on Daily Kos right now.

It is an absolutely fantastic diary.

Frsdbg are you one of us here? The pictures and signs are just marvelous! Women are definitely the best sign makers! They are creative, funny and every single one right on point.

Everyone should take a minute (if you haven’t already) and check out this diary!

Alaska women Reject Palin – Dailykos Diary

14 09 2008
Alice

J-PALIN IS NOT A WOMAN’S FRIEND (18:08:02)

I can understand your anger…but please don’t use the cap-lock. it disturbs the eyes and is unreadable. Use it only for your key thoughts and words.

Thanks. I will be waiting to read your revision

14 09 2008
VetTheVeep

@Alice (17:16:05) : @DeMo (17:12:28
“I’ll go a step further and request that people copy and paste the post or part of the post to which they are responding. That way, people don’t have to scroll all over the place. What is relevant would appear in one post.”

Also if you go away for a while and come back and want to find out if someone responded to your last post use FIND on the Edit menu at the top of your web browser. If I were to put Veep in it, it will show me all the posts that have used my name in response plus my own posts.

My age-In 2008, no one should get pregnant who doesn’t want to. Women/girls didn’t have this option when I went to high school.

14 09 2008
loa

I wish Dem women in the nation will do the same any time she visit their state, now that will be a statement to the nation. I am organizing a peaceful protest when next she visit my state. Wakeup America women, Obama can not do it alone, let follow these brave women footsteps before is 2 late. This woman will set us back, if you watch the view and hear McCain talk about Roev vs w is wrong, you will know what I mean and take action. We Can not let Dems loss again! If we do, it will be a painfull four years. Stop worring people, throw her a welcome peaceful protest in your state whenever she shows up. Help save America from Palin/Mcsame. Let fight like the Rep, let show them not this time, that democrate are not weak, now is time.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Ok — back from dinner and now I will fess up
older than Obama – younger than Hillary – and
from Red (Pink) state Montana

And I am really disgusted with this site
I can’t seem to get any work done since I am in here all the time.
(since the day Palin got “tapped”)

Would anyone like to start a new line with issues – compare ?

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

And I’m not overly far from the Canadian border — can I be the new Prime Minister-ess???

14 09 2008
sallys

I’m 42.

I’ve been for inspired by Obama since his speech at the 2004 convention, and am really looking forward to voting for him in November! In Michigan, because they held the primary early, Obama did not have his name on the ballot. SO, I didn’t get to vote for him (and felt very cheated indeed!).

Anyway- I’ve been “hooked” (albeit lurking!) on this blog ever since Sue Williams posted here that fateful weekend.

Thanks for everyone’s efforts!

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

ds55–“I don’t see Biden’s wife following him around everywhere, so what gives?.”

Joe Biden’s wife has a real job…she touches the future…she teaches!

14 09 2008
redwoodman

Alice (17:53:17) :

redwoodman (15:56:42)

Thank you for the link. I have come across it before but lost it

http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

Anyone who is inetersted. this link really lays the facts out about Palin, the AIP, hunting and wil-life protection

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Thanks Alice… I appreciate your comment. I hope more people will catch on to how screwed up these people are that want to govern us. It is hard to fathom.

14 09 2008
Olive

Are Sarah Palin’s Wires Crossed?

In her interview with Charlie Gibson, Sarah Palin said in response to a question about her readiness to be vice president, “I answered him yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can’t blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we’re on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can’t blink.” Aside from the odd grammar, many analysts have discussed this comment in terms of her inability to blink in the face of her mission, but not her unusual use of the term, “wired in a way.”

It’s a term I haven’t heard in years and it struck me as noteworthy and worth discussion. Those of us past forty might remember people saying they were “wired” to behave in a certain fashion, often as an excuse for excessive behavior, but it is a term that has fallen out of fashion. Nowadays, we like to believe that we actually think about what we do and why we do it, rather than react because of some sort of mental preprogramming.

What does she mean by “wired?” Are we to assume that she is wired 100% in America? Are some of us wired in China? Is she pre-wired to be vice president? I guess if we knew more about her wiring, we could ascertain how she might govern the country. I would love to have a psychologist weigh in on this.

14 09 2008
Mainiac

I’m 59 and live in Central Maine….
The further north you go in Maine, the more conservative it gets. But people are really hurting right now and are fearful of the upcoming winter. Oil prices are obscene and many cannot afford to fill their tanks.
These pocketbook issues will have an impact on how people vote this year.
I believe that this may be Obama’s year in Maine.
GooD to be with all of you.

And remember…DON’T FEED THE TROLLS

14 09 2008
Claudia

Shultz is one of the meanest bastards on radio

14 09 2008
Alice

ocliberal

What a great rally and what great photos..

The heat is ON!

I voted for “pitbulls do not make good diplmats”..What did you vote for?

14 09 2008
Intrigued

Roe v. Wade will never be overturned.

I read here the other day that it is because the Republicans use it every election cycle as the sentinel issue to get their faithful to the polls, and that very well may be true.

But there is another reason that is 100% proven: All of the Powers That Be, the so-called “elites,” have been eugenicists. If you look back at the Ruling Families of America in the early 20th century, you will see that every single one of them supported eugenics programs. I am talking the Kelloggs, Carnegies, Astors, Rockefellers, Morgans, Harrimans (Bush relative), etc.

All of the “elites” to this day (Warren Buffett, etc.) contribute a ton of money to so-called “population control” groups, which is really eugenics that has been repackaged. If you don’t believe it look at the history of Planned Parenthood — Margaret Sanger was a flaming eugenicist.

The real goal that these people have is to abort black and brown babies, not white ones. That is a sad fact. Do the Googling if you don’t believe it.

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

ocliberal–“Blogs like this, which as we can all see, resulted in visible action, is what will make the difference I pray!!!!”

You are so right, Ocliberal. I’m right with you, but I’m not trying to explain all this to a teenager—God bless you!

Life is long, but the time for action is now.

14 09 2008
gan

How much did it cost to go to this Ed Shultz program? Why did he charge in the first place. Doesn’t he go around to colleges and do radio shows for them without charging. I know he has to make a buck but let the advertisers pick it up and maybe he could have filled the room. I was going to go just to support Obama but I refuse to give my money to Ed Shultz. Remember Ed talks a good line but he was a Reagan Republican and who knows if he didn’t vote for Bush one and at least Bush two the first time. A Republican doesn’t in my mind all of a sudden become a progressive overnight. I hope Ed is doing this from the heart and not the pocketbook

14 09 2008
DeMo

Alice said:
“Oprah is standing by her man Obama. She has the right and more power to her.”

Absolutely! In past elections, if I’m remembering correctly, she hosted both candidates. Now that she has endorsed Obama, I don’t think she can opine about the election without seeming biased. As a former journalist, I think she’s showing her journalistic integrity. I think using her show to advance her politician would be a big mistake for her and him.

Mil said:
“Good link on Palin

http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/2194

You aint kidding! Great link. Calm, reasoned thought. And how heartening to know that all Republicans aren’t rabidly supporting the Republican nominee.

Olive said:
“Good article by Thomas Friedman about the economic future of our country:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14friedman.html?hp

You aint kidding. He hits the nail on the head with this: “Sorry, but there is no sustainable political/military power without economic power, and talking about one without the other is nonsense. Unless we make America the country most able to innovate, compete and win in the age of globalization, our leverage in the world will continue to slowly erode. Those are the issues this election needs to be about, because that is what the next four years need to be about.”

This sentence sums it up nicely: “There is no strong leader without a strong country. And posing as one, to use the current vernacular, is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig.”

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

mollie

Welcome, lurker (tee-hee!) You most definitely could be one of my four children—except, you’re not!

But I’ll adopt you!

Speak up! We want to hear!

14 09 2008
whichferret

@swineprincess

We might even have to look at when they get close, like Columbia, MO. They should be all over MO since it is such a big swing state. KS may be over looked since EVERYONE already knows which way it is colored on the map, but everyone fights over Missouri(completely ironic too since KS was the one on the correct side in the civil war and now MO is the one that tends to be more open)

14 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

63, white female, Obama supporter since he announced. I remember his speech in 2004 and was inspired. I’m a first time donor, first time volunteer. The last time I was this inspired was RFK. I’ve sent an email to a field organizer in NM, asking what I can do to help there once I finish my CA calling list.

14 09 2008
cmac

An old article from 2006, but with a funky twist:
Why the right should hope that roe vs wade doesn’t get overturned

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200606/roe

given the spunk of people around here i say this article is dead on.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

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14 09 2008
Olive

DeMo –

Friedman also says, “…From having Sarah Palin “reform” Washington — as if she has any more clue how to do that than the first 100 names in the D.C. phonebook?”

I would like Palin to take a 11th grade U.S. History and Civics test. My guess is that she has a limited knowledge of how the federal government functions, let alone how to reform it. Talk about hubris!

14 09 2008
Alice

Olive (17:46:39) :

“Good article by Thomas Friedman about the economic future of our country:”

it seems to me that the NYtimes is finally becoming the newspaper it should be. I am holding my breath though…waiting for another ridiculous Kristol (sp?) column.

Poor Brooks…he seems apologetic…I see him as the heartbeat and there are alarming signals that the Repugs have got to save their party…..

14 09 2008
arkangel3

“willpen, it looks like McCain already released his medical records, unless I’m missing something.” – DeMo

Actually, we are missing a HUGE chunk of McCain’s medical records:

If that doesn’t scare ya, I don’t know what will.

For the records, I’m 47 and proud Daddy of two girls who I hope will have their own choices available to them in the future.

14 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline

Intrigued (18:21:46) :

All of the “elites” to this day (Warren Buffett, etc.) contribute a ton of money to so-called “population control” groups, which is really eugenics that has been repackaged. If you don’t believe it look at the history of Planned Parenthood — Margaret Sanger was a flaming eugenicist.
—————————————
Well, when Lehman Brothers goes under tomorrow thanks to the Republican Party brain trust currently running this country, who knows what race of people will start getting aborted when money starts moving to other parts of the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/business/15lehman.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Worst. Government. Ever.

Total morons.

14 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

goodnight everyone. Thanks AKM for a wonderful, insightful, and well written blog!

14 09 2008
ocliberal

alice: I wanted to vote “All of the above” but chose “Blink before going to war”
I’ve been questioning the pitbull analogy for awhile though myself. There are lots of things I would want to be compared to but pitbull just isn’t one of them. All I can figure is that this is a man writing a speech for a woman and trying to say what he thinks will appeal to women without having a clue about women at all!

Cassie: My preppie 14 year who just started high school last week (sob!) went off to school sporting a bag pack covered with peace signs. I don’t think she even has a clue what the peace sign used to represent or how ’60’s’ she is being. The irony isn’t lost on me though and I certainly don’t disapprove.🙂 If these kids today want to promote peace as what is the cool ‘in thing’ to wear these days, I’m all for it!

I’m an aging hippie too. I’m glad to see I’m not alone.

14 09 2008
Suzi in Chicago

If you scroll all the way down on this link, it leads to a USA TODAY ARTICLE ON THE ANTI-PALIN RALLY!!! GOOOOOO AK!!!

http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

52, and PROUD to be in the Land of Lincoln and Obama!!!

14 09 2008
bwilder

Intrigued (18:21:46) :

Roe v. Wade will never be overturned.

One or two more ultraconservative Supreme Court Justices could very easily set Roe vs. Wade aside and it goes back to the states. Several red states are already working to outlaw abortion making it financially impossible for poor women to then have to drive hundreds of miles to another state for a safe abortion.

Palin and her ilk- extreme religious right- are waiting with baited breath to throw some cases at a right controlled Supreme Court. My mother nearly bled to death in the 1960’s from an illegal abortion that she had to go to
another state to find. When it was made legal in 1971 things changed and women stopped dying and were far less likely to suffer infertility issues later that can be attributed to botched abortions.

Don’t kid your self thinking it couldn’t happen. Sending it back to the states would almost guarantee the reds states would find a way to severely limit or
ban abortions. The federal government could place pressure on all states by withholding funding for health related issues if they too didn’t agree to put
heavy restrictions on abortion.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Only a portion of McC’s medical records were released to the press — If I remember correctly – it was on a Friday before holiday weekend and the press only had like 30 minutes No photographs of documents either —

Keith O did a spot on it

It might be more interesting to review all his MILITARY records — not just what he wants us to see. For a candidate preaching “Transparency” – he seems to “cloud the issues with rhetoric”

14 09 2008
Cartoon Pig Dog

AKMuckraker, thanks for the email, and I used several of your pics on my blog and even told them about your infiltration of the Sarah Palin welcome home rally. I don’t have anywhere near the number of readers that you do, but I’m sure they will all be coming to check out your site if they haven’t already. Thanks for all the hard work you’ve put into this, however, I don’t envy your having to go into the lions den, but you did it anyway and we thank you for it.

Swineprincess, I see you are still here, did you ever get around to reading the text of those bills (NSPD51 and HR1955)? Just curious since you’re obviously not in a coma. (yes, this is Arn, I just thought I’d use the Pig Dog name for awhile, it seems to fit the topics at the moment)

14 09 2008
ds55

Andrew Sullivan has written another great article.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/absurd.html#more

“In fact I cannot say anything about this candidacy that takes it in any way seriously. It is a farce. It is absurd. It is an insult to all intelligent people. It is a sign of a candidate who has lost his mind. There is no way to take the nomination of Palin to be vice-president of the world’s sole superpower – except to treat it as a massive, unforgivable, inexplicable decision by someone who has either gone insane or is managerially unfit to be president of the United States. When, at some point, the hysteria dies down, even her supporters will realise that, by this decision, McCain has rendered himself unfit to run a branch of Starbucks, let alone the White House.”

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

Enjay aka Turbine Yukon —
I can’t seem to get any work done since I am in here all the time.
(since the day Palin got “tapped”)

OMG, me too. Daughter # 2 is getting married next month—did I mention she was NOT a POW and is NOT pregnant? And, she’s not 72 or 44, but 32?

…and I have a wedding dress to finish!!!!

14 09 2008
bwilder

Who’s up for some Saturday rallies in October to reject Palin / McCain?

Doing what the women in Anchorage did on a national level over the course
of several Saturdays would get a lot of national media attention.

I’m starting and email list and working to get something started.
Send and email if you are interested in participating and being heard.
berta@birthsearcher.com

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

sorry was 3 hrs not 30 min

14 09 2008
judi

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
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Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz
Judi-Georgia

14 09 2008
AKA Master Commando Palin

Olive writes: “What does she mean by “wired?” Are we to assume that she is wired 100% in America? Are some of us wired in China? Is she pre-wired to be vice president? I guess if we knew more about her wiring, we could ascertain how she might govern the country. I would love to have a psychologist weigh in on this.”

I’m a Ph.D. but not a shrink. However, I would offer this: it certainly seems to indicate that she is “programmed.”

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Many congrats Cassie Jeep – are you happy the wedding is next month instead of Nov. am sure we all have lots to do before Nov. 4th

14 09 2008
pamela

This blog is amazing. Just wondering – w/ so many posts, I’ve only had the time to skim – is there anyone else out there from western NY? This part of the state is pretty red, with the exception of the central cites. This year, however, the lawn signs are mostly for Obama – but I still see Bush-Cheney bumper stickers on cars!

14 09 2008
Deb

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz
Judi-Georgia
Deb -Colorado

14 09 2008
Olive

AKA Master –

Not only that she is programmed, but she anticipates and relishes the programming. Yikes!

14 09 2008
bwilder

arkangel3 (18:30:07) :

“willpen, it looks like McCain already released his medical records, unless I’m missing something.” – DeMo

No he didn’t. He allowed some media people to ‘inspect’ them for three hours one morning. 1700 plus pages and not computers, cameras or cell phones were allowed.

14 09 2008
arkangel3

It might be more interesting to review all his MILITARY records — not just what he wants us to see. For a candidate preaching “Transparency” – he seems to “cloud the issues with rhetoric” -ENJAY

The Military records that would give a COMPLETE picture of his service are under lock and key in Hanoi. Yup. In return for those records being sealed, McCain was one of the first to push for full Diplomatic Recognition of Vietnam by the United States.

14 09 2008
Cartoon Pig Dog

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz
Judi-Georgia
Deb -Colorado
Arn (cartoon pig dog) – PA

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

Intrigued

“The real goal that these people have is to abort black and brown babies, not white ones.”

I tend to take a different take on this. I think that the reversal of Roe V Wade is intended to force black and brown babies to be born, then to deny them social services to support them and thereby commit them and their families ( or mothers) to a repeated cycle of poverty.

If we don’t feed them, clothe them, educate them ( when they are unable to do so themselves) we guarantee their failure…

Social problems exist, and Republicans like to trt those problems out at election tim.

14 09 2008
Alice

ocliberal (18:34:44)

Perhaps it is time to bring PEACE back…every time that I make the finger sign to my students they think that I mean victory…so sad.

Speaking of the victory sign…..

Have you been to the Nixon Museum?…it was required trip for a elementary school Irvinite..I made sure that I was a chaperone, so that I could answer questions. I was afraid to speak up as an “infiltrator” but it ended up that there were a couple of other parents that the other parents who were there for the same reasons that I was… message.

I did learn a few things. Nixon wasn’t all bad. His fascination with communist China (wishful thinking?) ended up opening up the dialogue with Asia.

Anyways…good choice in signs…I was going for the most impact….not the most truthful (guilty?).

Lets bring the PEACE back! and a pride for liberalism!

14 09 2008
Cartoon Pig Dog

AKA Master– She’s “wired” alright, but I’m beginning to think it’s on something illegal, she seems just a bit paranoid to me, what with all the protection she’s been getting from the media and anyone else that may want to ask her a question.

14 09 2008
J T

Ahhh Nixon…Watergate…..Vietnam….those good ol’ days of my youth!

What in the hell did my generation turn into???????

14 09 2008
Deb

JT-
CEOs??

14 09 2008
Alice

AKA Master Commando Palin (18:40:32)

It is the “Matrix”. As a teacher I often mention the matrix…I say, I can’t just plug you in…you need to actually have to learn this stuff!

perhaps the repugs have figured out how to wire it in!

14 09 2008
Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin

Wow… many of us aging hippies here, and like many of you, this is the first time I have contributed money to a presidential campaign. This whole thing awakened my inner activist and now I think I can quite safely say I am obsessed AND optimistic. Steel it is! 🙂

14 09 2008
makeitgoaway

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
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Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz
Judi-Georgia
Deb -Colorado
Arn (cartoon pig dog) – PA
Makeitgoaway-AZ

14 09 2008
Olive

I know Alice, I wish I could just “download” my kids at night, because it’s hard to get all that information into their little heads.

Sarah seems to be a driven little student, busy, cramming away.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

I just checked out the Daily Kos rally pics — great going !!

Point to Ponder:
McCain graduated nearly the bottom of his class – yet still managed to make “fighter pilot” (where the slots were for the most “elite”)
Believe he crashed 5 planes during his military flying days – but was quite reckless (thereby earning his title “Maverick”)
Is perhaps the Sarah Palin pick his attempt to come out the Hero or do another crash & burn …..? Or am I just reading too much into this?

14 09 2008
Deb

Enjay-
His dad was an admiral…that was probably “elite” enough.

14 09 2008
phnxrising

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14 09 2008
pamela

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14 09 2008
Mainiac

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14 09 2008
swineprincess

JoeAlvord (16:58:30) :

I’m 57 and was not an activist in college and we got Nixon. I’m trying to make up for that now.

I spit out my bedtime chamomile tea on that one Joe… and I’m right there with you — 55(56 in November if I dont’ have a stroke around the 4th) I didn’t work hard enough against Nixon the second time around… outrage yes… boots to the ground in ’72 no…

lemonfair (17:33:37) :

What are we, a bunch of aging hippies? That wouldn’t be such a surprise, would it.

Amused and Bewildered (17:34:54)

(They’ve even managed to convince people that her next idiotic response, “His world vieew?” wasn’t so bad!)

Say it ain’t so A&B, say it ain’t so!

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again… they (her Republiar Programmers) thought so little of the “Bush Doctrine” that they didn’t even think to coach her on it. It was obvious that she hadn’t been coached on it because all during the interview, she was doing the up left eye shift look (in NLP-speak that is the eye move one makes when trying to remember) When he asked her the Bush Doctrine question, she didn’t look up. She hesitated, looking straight ahead, she said “In what respect, Charrrlieee?”. To me, this was her “blink” and her Programmers had to scramble to make it seem that the Bush Doctrine was of little consequence.

Laughing No Longer… (18:00:47)

Thanks for bringing this post over. and as I said in the previous thread and I’ll second it here… when you say “The mere idea that one could learn a bunch of policy one-liners with one perspective and posess NO depth of understanding and run this country is LUDICROUS.” you could not be more correct. We have been forced to listen to 8 years of one-liners from the Bushies and now we are getting second gen on it. Witness SP stating not once, not twice, but three times in a row that she couldn’t possibly second guess what Israel has to do to defend itself. Please. Programming down the line. I wonder if they withheld food and water until she got it right.

14 09 2008
Alice

Actually, I am a bit younger then a “hippie”,

Though I decided at age five that I wanted to be one (my family was solid republican and Kennedy haters).

Still I proudly wore a ribbon on my head as pc head band and beat the drums of liberalism…….

I met my first black man when I went to visit my recently divorced dad in DC…I was scared shitless and I felt awful about it. I made my first non-white friends in the liberal atmosphere of Oberlin college…which I choose solely because it was MOST liberal college I could get into. I was a terrified most of the time and I was lousy student.

Here I am now…..older and wiser and happy that I challenged myself to think beyond the white catholic rhetoric i was rasied in! All because I wanted to be a hippie when I was five.

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

Enjay aka Turbine Yukon (18:40:50) :

“Many congrats Cassie Jeep – are you happy the wedding is next month instead of Nov. am sure we all have lots to do before Nov. 4th”

INDEED! Fortunately, we have early voting in NC and will have voted before the wedding. This allows me to “talk” to voters in PA and MA en route!

14 09 2008
raingods

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14 09 2008
Sue

I do not believe that the Republicans EVER plan to reverse Roe vs. Wade. For almost 30 years, they have claimed to be against abortion in order to garner votes yet they have not ended it. If abortion were ever made illegal, the Republicans would lose the one issue that gains them the most votes. I believe that they will NEVER come through for their anti-abortion supporters; if they did, they would lose their “base.”

14 09 2008
swineprincess

Mollie, not everyone’s mom is enlightened… I hope your mom is and that she is smiling that proud-mom-smile every time you send her something…

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

pamela (18:41:25) :
“but I still see Bush-Cheney bumper stickers on cars”

Maybe someone here can tell you how to remove a bumper sticker, but I don’t know how..(frown!)

14 09 2008
Cartoon Pig Dog

I was a hippie, am a hippie and always will be a hippie. I campaigned my ass off for the McGovern/Shriver ticket, not so much because they were the very best for the country but because anything would have been better than four more years of Nixon.

14 09 2008
winstonsmithcloned

there is a piece in the WSJ today about the McCain campaign doubling it’s payroll and going on an infrastructure expansion binge over the last two weeks to deal with the Palin phenomenon.

given that there appears to be nothing more to learn about her and plenty more for her to learn. this may turn out to be the implosion factor. one that
has been witnessed many times before. people that they can not control, all sorts of internal squabbles etcetcetc. if all goes right, in a couple of weeks you should see Johnny hitting up Cin for a few million to keep things rolling as the campaign spins out of control.

14 09 2008
Jo Ann

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14 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

ACTION!
ACTION!
ACTION!

I saw the list (great idea), now I want to draw up a list of Mudflats contributors who want to get together and take ACTION!

If you’re looking for support in your state, write your state first, then your name and the city or part of the state you live in.
eg VICTORIA – Aussie Puck Mule – Goulburn Valley😉

To start:

CALIFORNIA – ocliberal – socal
FLORIDA – mvgfwd – Miami, can travel
FLORIDA – Sharon – Tampa

14 09 2008
swineprincess

pamela (18:10:06) :

Voted third party in ’80 — I did the same thing… now I am militantly against third party voting — there may come a day when a third party will be viable but it is not today…

Vote Obama — a vote is a terrible thing to waste!!!

14 09 2008
ocliberal

alice: NIxon Library is my hometime. That irony isn’t lost on me either. Of course I’ve been there but really only a few times considering it’s less than 3 blocks from my house. I grew up in a family the worshipped Nixon so I have mixed feelings about him. The library is interesting in that is skims right over the whole Watergate/Impeachment ‘glitch’ and presents Nixon as this marvelous peacemaker and diplomat.

I’ve been a Girl Scout leader for over eight years and every year the Girl Scouts have a huge event at the Nixon Library. Pat Nixon was born on the same day as Girl Scouts (or something like that) so every year I drag my girls over there because we can get in free that day. I would much rather have a Jimmy Carter Library in my backyard but unfortunately I guess we have to take the President who was born in our city.🙂

14 09 2008
ocliberal

alice: typo: Nixon Libary is my hometown (not my hometime…)

14 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

@winstonsmithcloned (19:12:48) :

I believe that Obama’s head start in getting the infrastructure on the ground may be the reason that people driving around their towns are seeing lots of Obama signs and very few McCain signs – yet.

14 09 2008
Cartoon Pig Dog

“Maybe someone here can tell you how to remove a bumper sticker, but I don’t know how..(frown!)”

It’s really quite simple, you just approach the vehicle from the rear and when you are sure the owner of the car isn’t looking, you simply press firmly over the entire bumber sticker.

Oh yeah, and make sure that you have an Obama/Biden sticker in your hand while you are pressing. The McCain sticker will still be there, but it’ll be hidden under the Obama sticker.

14 09 2008
swineprincess

Intrigued, I know I said I was going to ignore you, and I was until you started talking about the wolves, and I thought, I need to apologize to Intrigued for thinking s/he was a troll… THEN you went and said that stuff about eugenics… so you can sound as sympathetic as you want to in the future… make all the agreeing noises you want… but to me you are a Troll with a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for Palin and now I am ignoring you again and for good.

14 09 2008
arkangel3

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14 09 2008
Randy

Cartoon Idea-
Picture of a helicopter with a GOP logo with a rifle side-stamped PALIN pointed downward toward a running wolf. Stamped on the running wolf’s belly it says WOMEN’S CHOICES.

14 09 2008
swineprincess

whichferret (18:24:34)

soooo true… we should just start thinking that way. I think it would be more meaningful in Missouri anyway — especially after seeing Claire McCaskill on ABC This Week this AM. I do like her! Maybe she’d even show up.

14 09 2008
Laura

pamela (18:41:25) : This blog is amazing. Just wondering – w/ so many posts, I’ve only had the time to skim – is there anyone else out there from western NY? This part of the state is pretty red, with the exception of the central cites. This year, however, the lawn signs are mostly for Obama – but I still see Bush-Cheney bumper stickers on cars!

Pamela – I’m here (Waving hand wildly!!!). Part of a central city, but here. Totally dismayed by a neighbor who thinks she is thoughtful because she didn’t just buy everything that is being written about Palin. But I’m optimistic. Besides, it probably doesn’t matter here in New York. Most people seem to think Obama will prevail and get all our electoral votes (there are times I’m very very appreciative for NYC)

14 09 2008
ocliberal

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14 09 2008
pamela

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14 09 2008
tonya

@ Sue

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

Overturning Roe v. Wade

John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion – the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, “At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level.”

14 09 2008
Cartoon Pig Dog

Randy, I do a lot of artwork, including my own cartoons and an occasional coloring book (nothing national, just little things for the locals) Think I may run with that one, and a couple others that came to mind watching Tina Fey on saturday night live.

14 09 2008
RW

I got a poll call today. I was asked lots of Obama and McCain questions, asked about how the recent ads were impacting my vote, asked about my stance on abortion, asked about economic issues and international security issues, etc.

Hope I helped the Obama poll numbers.

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

Sue (19:09:34) :

“I do not believe that the Republicans EVER plan to reverse Roe vs. Wade. For almost 30 years, they have claimed to be against abortion in order to garner votes yet they have not ended it. If abortion were ever made illegal, the Republicans would lose the one issue that gains them the most votes. I believe that they will NEVER come through for their anti-abortion supporters; if they did, they would lose their “base.””

The words I am about to write make me shudder. That said…I am growing nearer to thinking the Roe V Wade will have to be overturned before we can take our government back. So long as the Republicans can haul out that old, tattered banner right before election day (Sarah Palin), the Evangelical voters, young and old, become energized.

If the individual states were to take up the decision of abortion, and some of them would, then the politics would become, again, local. Governors could rise or fall on the issue, but not presidents and vice-presidents. And women could travel for legal abortions, assuming airlines and buses continue to run (currently, those services are in jeopardy!)

Presidential elections should not be decided over abortion! While legal and safe abortions will be able to be found, there are far more important national issues…like national security, energy independence, the economy!

I need to go get some mouthwash now.

I never wanted to say those words, since we fought long and hard for abortion rights…most of us…at least I did. But the #^%tards have hijacked it and we need to face that fact…and try to deal with it.

14 09 2008
swineprincess

Cartoon Pig Dog (18:35:30)

yep… I read as much as I could stand and set it aside for a day — I have been relaying news feeds to friends in Houston without power. all the stations have been showing streaming live news. I have managed to keep an entire neighborhood more informed than FEMA… can I be Director of FEMA in the next administration? teeheehee.

Anyway, I wanted to curl up in a fetal position and my psychosomatic laryngitis is back (I used to work for a Medicare call center until the laryngitis hit because I couldn’t tell the little old people the truth about Medicare!) Frankly I am scared of the implications of both NSPD51 and HR1955… So what do we do, where do I sign up and can we be assigned to the same concentration camp? When I read them to my husband he said it is Jericho (the TV show) all over again…. he may be right.

14 09 2008
timc

I think everyone believes Roe v Wade was a bad decision legally. The court acted b/c the government did not. Given how long it has stood it is very unlikely for an outright overturn.

What is more likely is for a conservative court to put additional limitations on when it can be allowed.

Not trying to start a battle here and I am 100% pro-choice.

If Roe went away the right would be after some other freedom, outlawing gays or some other nonsense. They cannot tolerate differences which is why they are conservative.

14 09 2008
ShadhAWK

http://ofbyandforthepeople.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/ad-hawk-whos-disrespectful-now/

McCain-Palin will do anything to get elected.
Palin has No Experience to be Vice President. However, I think she is running to be the President. We can’t let this happen!!!!!!

14 09 2008
Penny

I am from Kansas City too on the Kansas side and all my friends and I cannot stand Sarah Palin. What a nightmare but Obama is going to win!!!!

14 09 2008
swineprincess

Nebraska Native AKA Froth Moonshine Palin (18:55:54)

“inner activist” I like it — where in NEB are you? Close enough to KC to join with me and whichferret to stage an anti-Palin/McCain rally?

14 09 2008
Michael

View slideshow from Anti-Palin rally this Sunday in Anchorage, AK

go to:

http://bigshow.bigfolio.com/?s=000011662&t=0e6a8ae03101be65098418ccb735e4a1

14 09 2008
pamela

Cassie and Sue,

I think the part of Obama’s convention speech that I liked the most was when (if I’m remembering correctly) he talked about the issues that divide us – guns, abortion, etc., and asked that we come together as a nation in spite of this. Then McCain picks Palin, the speech is overshadowed, and the culture wars heat up again. I think that’s what makes me most angry about the Palin candidacy. I could probably get over how unqualified she is – b/c I’m hoping that it won’t matter, since she’ll lose – but she’s turning the campaign back into a contest of who is the most righteous. And I’m so afraid that will stay w/ us even when Obama wins. Sickening.

14 09 2008
Alice

tonya (19:25:32)

Though it is flawed, I am against Roe v Wade ever getting overturned…A woman has the right to choose and without that tight will go take elaborate and dangerous risks to hold onto her sense of self. I know. I was there with an unwanted pregnancy.

I choose…that is important……to have my baby. Without that choice I may have been more desperate to terminate the pregnancy because I would have felt forced into it.

This is very important.

14 09 2008
katiebegood

I just now tuned to a station on my TV that was doing a puff piece on Sarah Palin. MSNBC ran one last night. So, when are they going to start doing the puff pieces on Joe Biden?

I have to say I am sick to death of Sarah Barracuda and her nasal screechy voice. How anyone can stand to listen to her for more than 5 minutes is beyond me.

I do have to say that I was encouraged tonight listening to some talking heads who weren’t particularly critical of her but they all said that she is going to have to step up to the plate and start answering questions before anyone is going to be able to truly take her seriously. Even Tom Brokaw said it and he’s the biggest right wing talking head out there in the MSM.

14 09 2008
Ana Gama

pamela (19:25:25) :

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14 09 2008
DeMo

ds55

Andrew Sullivan has written another great article.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/absurd

Thanks for the link to the Andrew Sullivan piece. All I can say is amen.
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On Kudlow and Co., Palin, when asked if she would consider the veep job, asks, “What exactly is it that the VP does?” She was used to working hard, blah, blah, blah. If the job could help Alaskans, she would consider it.

OK, first, she doesn’t know what the veep does, but accepts the offer?

Second, what happened to country first? Wasn’t that the theme of the convention?

I think for Palin, it’s Palin first. Screw the investigation. I can get out of that. Screw my kids. I’ve got a nanny to watch them. Screw ’em all! I’ll be a heartbeat away from the President. I’ll take him down like a moose and then rule the world!

I truly think the woman’s ego is out of control. I mean, psychologically out of control. I think her thoughts about what is best for her precludes her from thinking about what would be best for others.
http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Doro2Yh9HoEM

14 09 2008
J T

It is interesting how perspectives change so….

I remember my mother wanting to hang the American flag upside down in protest for Vietnam. I remember when my brother-in-law was sent to Nam and we’d send him and other friends homemade cookies and other gifts from home. I remember my boyfriend at the time loosing his best friend at Nam. I remember watching a friend have flash backs and freaking out, when he got home from Nam.

We were protesting the damn war, but we weren’t protesting our troops. At least not from my prospective.

It was an ugly time, and I remember so clearly watching war protests and later Watergate on TV. I was in college at the time.

It was decades before any of us again felt pride in America.

And for a brief time I felt it….that thing called patriotism….so brief….

And these last 8 years, it is like going back in time. Yet now there is this bizarre Handmaiden’s Tale crowd that is leading some Stepford Wife charge…

And those narrow minded people that made such a flippn deal out of Michelle Obama’s comment about not always feeling pride, they are hiding their head in the sand, drunk on some silly school spirit mentality.

If we can’t step back and look objectively at our country, seeing the good, bad and ugly, how can we ever improve it?

So you know what McCain fans, I have NOT always felt proud of my country.
I have NOT always felt patriot.

And I am not going to apologize. Because, I am an American, and while I love my country, I know it is imperfect.

And as member of DAR – Daughter’s of the Revolution, I know my ancestors weren’t perfect. But that is okay. They tried, and I am going to try. Some of my ancestors were those that did fight for the creation of this country, and our Constitution.

I know some of my ancestors also owned slaves, something that does not thrill me. I’m not saying this from some abstract notion, I know for a fact my ancestors owned a considerable number of slaves. It is an example of the mistakes they made, and tangible reasons why NOT to always feel pride for every aspect of this country.

It is ironic that Lincoln’s Republican party has morphed into this hateful party that incites racism and lies.

14 09 2008
katiebegood

timc (19:33:37) :
I think everyone believes Roe v Wade was a bad decision legally. The court acted b/c the government did not. Given how long it has stood it is very unlikely for an outright overturn.

Over 50% of the people in this country think Roe v Wade was a good decision and that it should not be overturned. That is certainly not everyone.

Where do you get off speaking for other people. You may express your opinion, but you DO NOT speak for me or anyone else. I am part of your everyone and I, along with 50% of the people in this country disagree with you.

14 09 2008
AZtopcat

Have followed this site since day after her anouncement. You are doing a fantastic job.

14 09 2008
arkangel3

This link to an outstanding article about the McCain’s was posted WAY up in the thread. I just finished reading it, and it’s a fascinating read:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=0fd7470d-a41f-4d9e-9328-fd079b476a0a&p=1

Note To All: Please double check your copy/paste of the “Thanks, But No Thanks” list; we seem to be getting some folks cut off. As of this post, this is the current list to the best of my knowledge:

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14 09 2008
AZtopcat

Have a friend in Ohio close ties to campaign says polls are 1 week and 1 day behind so keep that in mind. She says Rasmussen seemes to be most accurate.

14 09 2008
Augie

Just finished reading all of today’s posts. Been in a blackout most of the day since last night’s storm uprooted a neighborhood tree and downed the lines.
I continue to be amazed by the community that has formed here over the last couple of weeks.
Saw in today’s paper that an Obama campaign office is opening here this week. Plan to go in at the earliest opportunity. I’m in the heart of Bill Clinton country (Little Rock) and can only hope that all who supported Hillary will come out in full for Obama.
I’ll be 55 in a couple of weeks and all I want for my birthday is an Obama administration!

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

pamela

“but she’s( Palin is) turning the campaign back into a contest of who is the most righteous. And I’m so afraid that will stay w/ us even when Obama wins. Sickening.

Righteous and right have very different meanings, Pamela. When President Obama takes the Oath of Office in January, it will be time for the trolls to crawl away ( for a while) and for “good people to come to the aid of their country”.

Keep thinking positive and working diligently!

14 09 2008
mollie

swineprincess –

My mom’s fairly enlightened; she was never going to vote for McCain, although she much preferred Hillary, and was threatening a while back to stay home on election day because she wasn’t entirely on board with Obama. However, after the Palin bomb dropped, she became a very enthusiastic supporter of Obama. So I guess there’s that!

My emails are meant to maintain that high level of support.

My mother-in-law, however, is a completely different ball of yarn. The kind with knots and loose ends throughout it. Visiting this weekend, my husband and I had to leave the kids there and go for a drive after a very small conversation lead to her saying, “But she DID have to deal with the Russians! She had to do stuff with them.” Meanwhile, Fox “news” is blaring from the t.v. It made my brain hurt. I know there’s no getting through, and my husband, for his own sanity, is avoiding political discussions with his parents. Can’t win ’em all, I guess.

On the topic of yard signs, there are tons of Obama in and around my neighborhood, but in the parents-in-law’s small Wisconsin town, lots of McCain. Husband and I let out an “oof…” every time we saw one, as though somebody’d punched us.

Okay, now, people. I need to get some work done. I have a deadline tomorrow and nothing written. I was once a productive person who slept at night…

14 09 2008
Augie

Forgot to include my Palin baby name.

Duct Idaho Palin

14 09 2008
katiebegood

tonya (19:25:32) :

You certainly are deluded. If you think that Republicans will ever do something to help women who can’t afford a child have that child and raise it, you need some serious psychotherapy. The Republicans love the fetus and hate the child. They are against welfare and most other kinds of government aid to poor families. But even it they did help the women who can’t afford to have a child, IT’S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS WHAT I DO WITH MY BODY. Why is it that you people can’t understand that? You are all for doing away with government regulation exception to regulate morality. And considering the fact that you Republicans are the least moral people on this planet, you really have no right to preach morality to us.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

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14 09 2008
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14 09 2008
swineprincess

@ Penny

so hows about it Penny join up with whichferret & me? Have Anti-Palin Rally will travel… well, within gas-tank distance anyway…

14 09 2008
Lola

Okay I watched meet the press today and Rudy Guliana the little slimy slimeball was LYING nonstop.

And then he said that he advises Sarah Palin NOT to cooperate with Troopergate investigation because it was being run by Obama supporters and was not bipartisan.

Do these people have a conscious at all???

Can they really just LIE over and over and never care??

It’s just disgusting.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Thats just in case you’ve used up all the Obama / Biden bumper stickers

14 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Claudia (18:19:24) :

Shultz is one of the meanest bastards on radio
**************************

and I guess Micheal Savage wears a halo!

14 09 2008
pamela

@Michael, Thanks for posting the slideshow – can’t believe this isn’t getting more attention, maybe this will help.

14 09 2008
timc

Katiebegood,

Like I said I am 100% behind the right to choose. As Obama said on the anniversary of the decision what it means is more important than the legal basis the court found in making the decision. The Warren court understood the principal was important even if they were stretching the law to make the argument.

“But we also know that Roe v. Wade is about more than a woman’s right to choose; it’s about equality. It’s about whether our daughters are going to have the same opportunities as our sons. And so to truly honor that decision, we need to update the social contract so that women can free themselves, and their children, from violent relationships; so that a mom can stay home with a sick child without getting a pink slip; so that she can go to work knowing that there’s affordable, quality childcare for her children; and so that the American dream is within reach for every family in this country. This anniversary reminds us that it’s not enough to protect the gains of the past – we have to build a future that’s filled with hope and possibility for all Americans.”

14 09 2008
katiebegood

Cassie Jeep Pike Palin (18:16:03) :
ds55–”I don’t see Biden’s wife following him around everywhere, so what gives?.”
Joe Biden’s wife has a real job…she touches the future…she teaches!

Plus, she’s not worried about his straying eyes. Did anyone read the blog entry at Huffington Post where some psychologist analyzed his fiddling with his wedding ring while he was ogling Palin when they first introduced her? The next time she is on stage with McBush and Cindy is on scene, check out the looks Cindy gives Palin. I think Cindy is the jealous type and isn’t going to let McBush out of her site any time soon.

14 09 2008
katiebegood

timc (19:59:12) :
Katiebegood,
Like I said I am 100% behind the right to choose. As Obama said on the anniversary of the decision what it means is more important than the legal basis the court found in making the decision. The Warren court understood the principal was important even if they were stretching the law to make the argument.

Well then, perhaps you should not be writing posts that say “everyone” thinks it was a bad decision because that is a lie. And right now I’m sick to death of lies whether they come from our side or the other side.

14 09 2008
mollie

Turbine Yukon, you are funny.

14 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Please pass this one around and watch congresswoman debbie waserman shultz put the smackdown on Palin. Shultz said her interview was like someone in school that just read their cliff notes!!!! LOL!!!!

14 09 2008
AZtopcat

I have done some research on Third Wave evangelical sites and sister Sarah seems to be their annointed one. Her fundamentalists are praying for the demise of JSM so she can be president. I guess that is why she is such an egomaniac.

14 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ Alice
You and I would have made a good team back in my own Irvine days… Kids had some great teachers who taught them the truth, in addition to the party line. Unfortunately both have since retired. The Nixon trip wasn’t part of the curriculum then. But I was asked to be the “resident radical” on a church-sponsored trip to Israel because I had studied Middle East history and had an understanding beyond that of most Americans. It was fun being the subversive, asking the tough questions, then offering additional information after hours over a glass of wine before dinner.

@ Olive
Thanks for the Friedman tip. His “Beruit to Jerusalem” is as even-handed description of the recent history as I’ve ever read. And he’s right on about the need for ET.

To all, Fareed Zakaria’s Global Public Square (CNN on Sundays) is always recorded in our household. Just watched it — interview with Friedman, several folks discussing probability of an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuke sites, and an interview with Greg Mortenson of Three Cups of Tea. Watch for the podcast on CNN.com/GPS. It’ll probably be up tomorrow.

14 09 2008
Augie

I still think we’ll see a blow-up between Sarah and Cindy. You can already see it building.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

Thank you, Mollie –

Was checking out the Women Against Sarah Palin site and there is a post from a woman in Wasilla about halfway down on Part 19

It is fascinating to read the responses – wide range of reasons why

14 09 2008
katiebegood

Lola (19:55:15) :

Okay I watched meet the press today and Rudy Guliana the little slimy slimeball was LYING nonstop.

And then he said that he advises Sarah Palin NOT to cooperate with Troopergate investigation because it was being run by Obama supporters and was not bipartisan.

I watched it too and I almost spit out my wine when he said that. So, he’s saying that the Obama campaign was in charge of Troopergate even before Ms. Barracuda was picked because the investigation had been going on for months before McBush picked Palin.

They really don’t get it that people are not stupid. Everyone watching him knew he was lying through his teeth. The right wingers don’t care because they think lying is just fine if it keeps them in power. The people who are not right wingers probably sat there and said WTF.

The excuse Rudy gave for their ad about sex education for kindergarten was very disingenuous also. He said he read the bill and it said that comprehensive sex education was for K-12 and that it included instruction on HIV/AIDS. What he failed to mention is that the bill says “age appropriate sex education”. The idea that any school would consider it “age appropriate” to teach kids in kindergarten about HIV/AIDS or even about sex is ludicrous. I really do wish that Tom Brokaw had come back with “well that’s your opinion but I asked you if you thought that ad was “respectful”. They ran McBush saying he would run a respectful campaign before Brokaw asked Rudy that question. But, as usual, Brokaw let him get away with not answering the question he asked.

It must be humiliating for those talking heads to know that the women on the View have done the most comprehensive interview with McBush to date.

14 09 2008
Sue

I didn’t mean to start a discussion on abortion…just wanted to give my opinion that the Reps. use that issue to garner votes. I am a Bible-believing Christian who is voting for Obama. : ) OBAMA ’08 !!!

14 09 2008
timc

Katiebegood,

I take it you are not a lawyer. Hopefully the point is moot because Obama will be elected which will keep the court at least marginally balanced and there will not be any votes regarding the validity of Justice Blackmuns decision. In parting I agree with Justice Ginsberg and other liberals on this issue:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg has criticized the Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade for terminating a nascent democratic movement to liberalize abortion law.[29] Likewise, legal affairs editor Jeffrey Rosen[30] and Michael Kinsley[31] say that a democratic movement would have been the correct way to build a more durable consensus in support of abortion rights.

14 09 2008
arkangel3

IMHO, Brokow’s been drinking the Republican Kool-Aid as of late. For a journalist I once respected, he’s becoming a “subtle” Republican plant in the MSM. He *always* used to be balanced and non-partisan. I don’t know what’s happened to move Brokow to openly reveal more partisanship than he should, especially when he’s hosting a show that is NEWS oriented not COMMENTARY.

14 09 2008
katiebegood

ds55 (17:04:40) :

@ willpen: McCain already released his medical records. Now we need a petition for Palin.

This is a lie. He released selected portions of his medical records to be viewed by a select audience. He has not fully revealed his medical records like all other presidential candidates have. There is a group of physicians who are demanding he release all his medical records because, as they say, it is our right to know what kind of physical condition our presidential candidate is in.

14 09 2008
AZtopcat

I don’t understand why MSM gave Palin such a pass on interview with Charles Gibson. My husband and I thought she looked like a” caribou “in the headlights. She clearly was programmed and was spewing randoms facts that had been prepared. Debbie Wasserman Schultz does an excellent job of getting to the point.

14 09 2008
timc

They put her up against a man for a reason. The press is terrified of sexism charge. Let Babera Walters at her for a one on one.

14 09 2008
Suzanne

@MissSue aka Barrel McRaven Palin – re: Bush Doctrine, controversial subject. It’s been altered numerous times, hence making her initial response “In what respect?” a point of argument amongst her supporters. (They’ve even managed to convince people that her next idiotic response, “His world vieew?” wasn’t so bad!) There are also those who think that she shouldn’t have been expected to know what it is at all. To people watching that kind of commercial who support McCain/Palin, I think it would completely backfire. I’ve already seen a lot of people who didn’t know what it was themselves, dismiss it completely — if THEY didn’t know it, why should she? That’s how some see it. I think there are better, more tangible things.

I don’t understand why people think that just because they don’t know what the Bush doctrine is, it’s OK for her not to know it! She is running for VP OF THE UNITED STATES

14 09 2008
DeMo
14 09 2008
Augie

Just to clarify – I didn’t mean that in a catty, bitchy sort of thing.
Only that they each have a strong personality, are used to having power and being in control. McCain will be caught in the crossfire.

14 09 2008
swineprincess

Ok, regarding abortion and Roe v Wade. I was 19 in August of 1972, 3 months before my 20th birthday and 5 months before Roe v Wade was decided. I found out that I was pregnant, by someone I didn’t want to marry, I was in college, and pretty much alone on the subject. I lived in Houston. My best friend urged be to call a group called Problem Pregnancy Information Service (PPIS) who arranged for people in Houston to go to either New York or LA for an abortion. I called. I arranged, and then I had to find $350 to go to LA. See it was a package deal. Just like a tour trip to Europe… Pay your $350 for all inclusive, airfare one night in a motel near the private clinic, abortion, and all the fruit juice you could drink before your return flight. Such a deal. I called the father of my embryo and asked for a contribution… His mother called me and told me I should have the baby and she would raise it. I told her I was not an incubator. He gave me $150. I had $50 that I’d managed to glean from not buying a couple of books I’d need later in the semester, which left me $100 short. My best male friend, who was in college in Dallas, gave me his fraternity dues (ok I was a hippy but I did know one frat boy – but cut me slack, I’d known him since the 7th grade). To this day I still owe him that $100.

Anyway, my best friend took me to the Continental Airlines terminal at IAH now known as Bush Intercontinental… will the ironies stop? And flew to LAX. I chose LA because they were allowed to pick you up at the airport. New York, which was actually somewhat cheaper, was not allowed by NY state law to pick up. When I arrived there was this guy holding a sign PPIS just like in those movies where the driver is holding the signs to pick up the celebrity. Almost every person on that Continental flight was going to LA for an abortion.

We suddenly got to know each other — people we had been sitting next to for the past hour and a half (those were the days of non-stop flights) were there for the same reason… A perky brunette drove us to our motelin a 14 passenger van … the motel was a Ramada I think, and were given packets, we met roommates … It was almost like we were there for a conference. There were women in this group from 15 (she was accompanied by her father) to 50-ish (she was perimenopausal with a 30 year old son in ‘Nam) We had a meeting that night and signed papers stating that it would make us mentally ill if we carried the child to term. Yes. I had to sign a paper that said I would be mentally ill if I carried to term.

We got as good a night sleep as possible and the next morning we peed in cups we’d been issued the night before, didn’t eat breakfast and were whisked to the clinic and prepped… this place was great… they even knocked you out to do the procedure… a valium before and an IV in the OR… I asked the anesthetist if I needed to count backward like in the movies… he said if I wanted to… I said “One…” and the next thing I knew I was in recovery. I kept asking the nurse if I was still pregnant… she kept telling me no… Finally I was awake enough to get up and they moved me to the fruit juice station… and then to the get dressed station… and then to the here’s your medication station… they gave me antibiotics and something to shrink my uterus… and then to the waiting van and the perky brunette who took me and 13 other newly de-pregnanted women (and one father) back to the airport, put us on a airplane that was again more than 80% filled with women doing exactly the same thing we’d done… and I went home. I was gone thirty-six hours. I told my parents I’d gone camping. I never told my mother I’d had an abortion. Even after she told me about her abortion on a midwife’s kitchen table in 1947. Sorry mom… she’s gone now so, in my cosmology she knows and she knows why I never told her… because to tell her after so many years would just have hurt her feelings because I didn’t think she (or my dad, who’s embryo she aborted) would have understood at the time… little did I know.

I don’t want any other woman to have to go out of her state to do this, like I did. And I certainly don’t want anyone to have to do what my mother did… she was lucky, she lived without incident.

Thanks for reading. This is why Roe v Wade needs to stay in force.

14 09 2008
AZtopcat

Augie,
I agree with your comment on Cindy and Sarah . Watch the body language when Sarah is hugging JSM.

14 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commando Palin

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14rich.html?em

Has anyone else read this new essay by Frank Rich? He makes a strong case that “they” (of the GOP powers that b)e are really planning for a Palin presidency. According to Rich, McCain will just be a feeble figurehead for one term if he makes it that long…Per Rich, her use of “Truman” in her acceptance speech was a linguistic tell; it was about a VP who became President. She really is a neocon/theocon “Manchurian Candidate.”

But here’s the deal: I don’t think she was ready for her roll-out. The GOP miscalculated. They did not groom her long enough. There’s the irony. (Please, America, prove me right. OBAMA/BIDEN ’08)

14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

G’night folks! You people make a difference, especially AKM.
Love our across the ponds posters, glad to know that we are many demographics and that issues transcend personalities—though that it is really hard to transcend when it comes to Sarah Palin.

14 09 2008
swineprincess

sorry my calculations are a little short… I must have had $100 — what ever…

14 09 2008
OMG!!!

@ds55
Love the Obama logo. Just changed my Facebook profile picture. Boy will everybody be glad when this is all over. I know they are so over my enthusiasm (sp?)

14 09 2008
Augie

AZtopcat-
I’m very intrigued with these four personalities. What IS the deal with Todd?

14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

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14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

swineprincess

I was ready to sign out for the night, then I read your story. I truly wish I could put my arms around you and shush all noise away for you because you bared your soul to us this evening…and I love you, and everyone like you who could relate a story like this.

You are right, our choices should remain just that: our choices, no one elses.

Good night, dear swineprincess, your memory of this is safe where you keep it.

14 09 2008
ocliberal

I’m going to try this one more time. I’ve posted myself on the list 3 times but I keep getting cut off. But I’m there 1000% even if I get cut off again.

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14 09 2008
SandyW

Swineprincess,

Thanks for sharing. This an important election for women.

14 09 2008
Augie

Swineprincess, my heart goes out to you.

14 09 2008
arkangel3

swineprincess…you got me sitting here with a lump in my throat. I cannot ever imagine my girls having to go through all of what you went through (physically and emotionally) all those years ago. Palin will set back any gains made by the Women’s Movement for decades.

Thanks for sharing your story…I know how tough it is pulling that out of you and putting it in public. If just one person picks up on your story and passes it on, then you’ve done a great service.

14 09 2008
BahstinBoyo

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14 09 2008
Zim in Oz

Is Sarah a Christian ….dare I say it…’fundamentalist’ ?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html

14 09 2008
Mil
14 09 2008
arkangel3

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14 09 2008
Alice

Palmdale, CA (20:03:20) :

Irvine is pretty cool right now…..so many different nationalities and religions…it is democracy at it’s best. If only it was more cosmopolitan (call me an elitist!).

My son is in going to uni high…it is a great school that truly believes in preparing kids for a higher education!

You, OCliberal and I and any other cal gals should get together!

14 09 2008
Mil

Sscratch my last message, it was a misleading title:

“A McCain adviser says early plans are to hold the town halls in western Michigan and Wisconsin, although the exact details of where and when they will be held are still being worked out. ”

It’s Michigan and Wisconsin needed to get on in on the town halls!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/13/mccain-and-palin-plan-joint-town-halls-in-battleground-states/

14 09 2008
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14 09 2008
Mil

agh, misleading Summary, not title. Meh, need to go to bed.

14 09 2008
swineprincess

thanks everyone… I have never felt “harmed” as the anti-choice people would have you believe that the decision is harmful… I processed it and it is done. I don’t believe that God or Goddess is angry with me for my choice.

It is an important election for women. In 1972 there were two states that had asserted themselves to allow women to choose. If we go back to those conditions, there will be many states that will not allow women to choose… primarily because of the huge numbers of neo-cons in state government. Roe v Wade is the only way to assure that a woman has a right to choose for herself. Worse still would be to return to the conditions of 1947 and my mother’s abortion. To force women to go to become criminals in the eyes of the law is unconscionable. Worse, to force women into deadly situations is criminal on the part of the state and every citizen of the state. We cannot let this happen.

‘gnight to you all — I love this place and each of you wonderful thinking fine human citizens of the country and this world.

14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

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14 09 2008
portland oregon native

Thank you! thank you! thank you! swine princess.
Been there and done that too in Oregon. The signing of the”mental illness” pledge was the ticket in those days, IF you had teh money.
How many more of us are there that endured the pain, the cost, the fear and the lies? How many died because they didn’t have $350 and some sort of access?
I get pretty frustrated with some in the younger generation who seem to think that Roe v Wade is always going to be available.
Thank you muckraker for making this forum available.
donate, volunteer, vote! Obama/ Biden 08!

14 09 2008
North Dakota New Democrat

add my name to the list of “No Palin”.

I’m from North Dakota, Ed Schultz is nothing more than a loud-mouth, bigoted, redneck, Rush Limbaugh wannabe who was a Democrat before he gave up being a sportscaster to be a Republican mouthpiece. Wait!!! Sarah Palin was a part-time sportscaster — that’s the link. Ed Schultz is now qualified to be president! He’s an embarrassment to the good citizens of North Dakota who are proud to elect an all-Democratic congressional delegation and a Republican 2 term governor who enjoys 80%+ approval ratings and is running for a 3rd term. Governor Hoven, who ran a bank before being elected, is more qualified to be VP. At least he knows how to balance a budget, promote energy development at home, create jobs, build a surplus, and run an election campaign based on reasoned debate on real issues. I apologize to the citizens of Alaska on behalf of all North Dakotans who cringe at the sound of Ed Schultz’s voice.

14 09 2008
Mil

Swineprincess… you have my utmost respect. Thank you for your story.

14 09 2008
DeMo

swineprincess, thank you for sharing your story. I’m so sorry you had to go through that. Truly, truly sorry.

14 09 2008
FiredUp AKA Falter Locust Palin

Swineprincess,

Thank you for reminding all of us who never had to make that choice how important it really is. Thank you for reminding us in such a poignant and personal way. Thank you for having the courage (and trusting all of us enough) to tell us your story.

14 09 2008
reuche

The Republican Party’s lawyers. The Republican Party and its lawyers. But not the Republican Party and it’s lawyers. It’s is always the contraction for “it is”, there are only comedic exceptions (one could humorously have a character named It to thumb their nose at the establishment). Thus does Engish Grammar piss everyone off by making rules against common sense and the way things sound.

Keep up the good work but you, and everyone else who didn’t realize there was a problem might want to check out Eats, Shoots, & Leaves by Lynne Truss sometime.

14 09 2008
cb

Gulliani was on Meet The Press today, saying this was all being driven by Obama’s people (who have apparently just jumped in the car!).

14 09 2008
SandyW

Personally, I don’t think Palin’s daughter had any option other than have her baby. I feel really sad for Bristol.

14 09 2008
whabs

Swine

Thank you for sharing you story. I have one too.

I came home from Port Protection Alaska the first year I was there, pregnant. It was a broken condom.
The would be father, ripped off my season’s pay when I met him in Oregon on my way home and I told him I did not want to have this baby. I guess stealing my season’s pay was one way to ensure I didn’t have an abortion.

The morning I went in, I was so terrified at what I was doing. I have always been pro choice, but had never in my 39 years had I had to make a choice like this. I knew I couldn’t keep this baby for multiple reasons, some of them being health. I still didn’t think I could do this and go through with it. I asked not to be shown the ultrasound. When they told me I miscarried, I then made them show me the ultrasound.

My abortion became a D & C. It was more painful that giving birth to the daughter I gave birth to 17 years ago today. I silently cried and left my body. I would never wish this on any person, but it is a choice we need to keep legal and safe, because we know when people are desperate, they don’t always think about what is safe.

It was my choice to make and mine alone. I have never and would never actively go look for pregnant women and ask them to abort. The notion that this is what we are about is insane. Choice ALSO includes NOT being forced into giving birth and marrying the first guy who knocks you up.

14 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ Alice
My older son is a Uni grad, class of 89. He was part of the Amnesty International chapter there. For his 16th b-day, he wanted to go to the AI concert at the Colisseum in LA. What an event! All the good he got from Irvine has vanished. No amount of conversation seems to make any difference. Sigh. He now typifies the party of resentments and victimization that the GOP appeals to.

I’m glad to hear that Irvine has remained so diverse. I still try to catch the Irvine World News online occasionally, but it seems not to reflect the diversity of thought you describe. It’s very different from the newborn city I moved to in 1973. The last time I was down there I hardly recognized it.

14 09 2008
mvngfwd

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14 09 2008
Melba

DeMo (18:22:47) :

friedman- “Sorry, but there is no sustainable political/military power without economic power, and talking about one without the other is nonsense.”

does the fall of Fanny Freddie AIG Lehmann BearStearns Merrill Lynch etc, tie into this.

and does it then affect the wars in Iraq and Afganistan ???

14 09 2008
BlueSkyMama

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14 09 2008
fawnskin

add me to the no palin list and to the california girls list !

14 09 2008
SandyW

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14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

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14 09 2008
swineprincess

Ok, I really have to go to bed it is 12:15 in the midwest and I have to get up at 5:30 a.m. BUT I again want to say thanks to every one who has commented on my story and shared their own stories. I have told very few people this story. It is not a story of bravery (like Arkangel3’s and thanks again for sharing back on 9/11) but I hope for your beautiful daughters’ sakes that they never even have to make the choice because it is not easy.

Whabs, damn. At least they gave me knockout drops. I am so sorry that “someone” in their great wisdom decided to quit giving women anesthesia during abortions/d&cs. I have heard that from many women in many states — even a few years after my trip to LA, I had a roommate who had an abortion in Houston and they didn’t give her anesthesia. I guess they want us to suffer. Or suffer more than we’re already suffering.

I too would never encourage someone to have an abortion. I would, however, gladly counsel any woman faced with the choice if asked. My counsel would be this: it is up to you; no one else can make the decision for you; not your parents, your friends, the people who think you should have it for religions reasons; no one. Just you. And whatever you decide is the right decision.

so I am really signing off for tonight. again… thanks for your support on OH SO MANY THINGS!! I am glad there are people like “us” out there. It makes me feel not so alone out here in Red State World Kansas.

14 09 2008
scaredinfairbanks

Here is a great essay on the Sarah Myth at the Literary Mama, a literary magazine for the maternally inclined.
http://www.literarymama.com/oped/

14 09 2008
alaskagrandmother

I’m late to get on here, and it’s my first time. But I have to tell you the story of my daughter. She and her husband wanted the baby, but she got embryonic cancer instead. Fueled by the hormones of pregnancy it was spreading fast. Docs at UCLA said she had to abort or die, we were sent there from Anchorage. My daughter worked with a lady who goes to Sarah’s church. They started a hateful letter writing campaign to my daughter while she was under treatment telling her how horrible she was for “killing her baby”. My poor daughter was near death, and crying from these horrid letters. When she got home, they continued to harrass her. Consequently I hate this church and it’s members., including Sarah Palin.

14 09 2008
Alice

fawnskin (21:21:35)

Ok we need to start a cal gal club…perhaps through the obama site?

Palmdale, CA (21:08:33)

Irvine is still pretty GOP on the surface…you should have seen all the Hummers that littered the roads after 9/11 (I see only one or two a week now).

It is the schools that you are really aware of the diversity, and the parents working together…..I have a Korean friend who I sit with during football games…both of our kids are in marching band. I was so impressed when she went on line and printed out a copy of the star spangled banner so that she could sing along (even though her English is not great). i really do believe that our kids are the driving force that will really bring along the change we need. My son was fortunate to be raised on the Simpsons and now the daily show!

He is so tolerant….it makes me want to cry sometimes

14 09 2008
Augie

alaskagrandmother-
Some of the most hateful people I know call themselves “good Christians”.

14 09 2008
Divatalk

There are so many posts. This is so great.
Oh, I’m 52 and I’ve never done anything like this before. I am totally enjoying it
but quite honestly, If Obama doesn’t win, I probably won’t again.

I think I’d rather put my energy into something that I know my great effort for a really terrific cause was not manipulated, and cheated to get results. Sorry guys,
but this has really opened my eyes to just how, divided this country is and how
people will do anything to hold on to an ideal without regard for anyone or anything.

Ok, that’s my soapbox for the night.. What’s next!

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14 09 2008
Alice

alaskagrandmother (21:28:24) :

The story about your daughter is horrifying and needs to be heard!

It is late now…but please blog again tomorrow!

i wish you the best and a good night.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

The Washington Post has an article –
Bush’s Overseas Policies Begin Resembling Obama’s interesting read – but I personally liked one of the comments that was posted by nodebris:

“The Post says that “an Obama presidency might look a bit like Bush’s second.”

“But it is very much worth noting that Obama isn’t copying Bush; Bush is rather reluctantly and very late adopting the common sense approaches that Obama has been pushing for over a year — while all the time Republicans called Obama a naive fool.”

“After six years of failure acting like a pure Republican, Bush is finally achieving some success — by acting like a Democrat. ”

“It’s also worth noting that McCain is still running on the positions that Bush has abandoned in order to salvage some small degree of success. ”

“Success knows no party. I’m glad Bush has come around. But I want the guy who was right to start with, Obama, not the McCain guy who’s still trying to pretend that what failed somehow was a success, even after Bush has abandoned those positions. ”

Cheers. ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091401973_Comments.html

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

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14 09 2008
Mil

alaskagrandmother, your daughter is brave and so are you for not bowing down to their evil sense of christianity. They are not true Christians. I know such people. Your daughter and your son in law and you all have the good wishes of many who have just read your post.

14 09 2008
Mil

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14 09 2008
Karen

This site is organizing anti-Palin rallies at the McCain Palin campaign stops (he’s so tied to her apron strings now he’s going to campaign with her full time – which is great for us!)

http://womenagainstpalin.com/

Sign up to organize or attend one now! We need to shadow this campaign all over the country with creative signs, pit bulls and polar bear suits. This will get the media focused on our side of the issue, instead of their constant reporting on all the women who are in love with Palin.

14 09 2008
Augie

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14 09 2008
Cassie Jeep Pike Palin

alaskagrandmother–

“My poor daughter was near death, and crying from these horrid letters. When she got home, they continued to harrass her.”

They were wrong, you know that they were…and are wrong…they were horribly wrong.
Your daughter’s life is a testament to their wrongness.

You clearly love your daughter, as do we all. Life is hard, and sometimes choices are VERY hard. You chose the life of your child. I would do that, too.

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

I know its late – amd I am tired – but a person can find the funniest things while cruising on the net (link to link to link)

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/mccain_speechwriter_trying

if anyone needs a laugh — or think they have the worst job in the world ….

14 09 2008
DeMo

Melba (21:13:41) :

DeMo (18:22:47) :

friedman- “Sorry, but there is no sustainable political/military power without economic power, and talking about one without the other is nonsense.”

does the fall of Fanny Freddie AIG Lehmann BearStearns Merrill Lynch etc, tie into this.

and does it then affect the wars in Iraq and Afganistan ???

Melba, read the Op-Ed piece linked to the quote and it will make more sense. Without economic leverage, which comes from innovation in business (renewable energy vs. fossil fuels, for example) we, as a nation, lose power.

Enjay, that Washington Post piece really says a lot. Bush is finally figuring it out. Too bad his learning curve was so, ummm, curvaceous?

“The administration has pushed ahead with high-level diplomatic negotiations with Iran and North Korea, agreed to a “time horizon” for a reduction of U.S. forces in Iraq and announced plans last week to shift troops and other resources from Iraq to Afghanistan. U.S. officials also confirmed last week that Bush has formally authorized cross-border raids into Pakistan without that government’s approval — an idea that Obama first endorsed, and was heavily criticized for, last year.”

But they laughed at him. Ha!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091401973.html

14 09 2008
Enjay aka Turbine Yukon

thank you all for sharing your stories

g’night mudflats – til tomorrow

14 09 2008
ratty pilgrim

How do I get my name on the PALIN_THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!! list?

14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

Ratty Pilgrim:
Copy the list and paste in the comment box at the bottom of the page. Add your name to the list.

14 09 2008
Zim in Oz

@ alaskagrandmother

You are among friends here. I am so sorry that your poor daughter had to endure such torment esp as she was already in such a sad place.

I had a friend with a similar story to your daughter’s. She refused to have an abortion and she died during delivery. The baby survived. Although we all supported her for her choice, the child even though loved has been shunted between family members all of his life. He has had huge problems, I think he has always been lost. After his mother’s death his father remarried…..I think you know how these stories often go.

I am not for one minute saying she should or should not have had the abortion but maybe…just maybe she would have still been with us today….with many more children…dunno ?

As I have a strong marriage I have never had to make ‘that’ decision and I will never judge a person for having an abortion. I grew up in the sometimes harsh world of the African bush. In times of extreme stress (drought whatever) even animals will ‘get rid of their young’.

No one, no one wants to get rid of their offspring but sometimes in certain circumstances they have to….and I respect their right to do so.

14 09 2008
BobbyG

Q: “So, Mrs. Executive Palin, on the domestic policy front, what is your opinion of Mark-to-Market annual asset valuation regulations, and post- Glass-Steagal brokerage house self-assessment leveraging strategies, as they apply to reserve ratios?”

A: “What aspect of it do you mean, Charlie?”

14 09 2008
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14 09 2008
arkangel3

I’m 47 and my wife is 40. My daughters are 11 and 7. I was there in the delivery room for the birth of my oldest, and it was THE most beautiful and moving experiences of my life. Shortly after the birth, my wife almost bled to death (unbeknown to me as I was whisked away to look at my new daughter). We were *very* lucky not to lose my wife on that day.

My second daughter was late in coming…10 days late. A lot of false labor, and one Sunday we went to the hospital, labor was induced because my daughter’s heart rate was erratic. After a time, it was decided for my wife to have an emergency c-section; which I was not allowed to see, but I was allowed to be in an adjacent room in cap and hospital gown. The most frightening thing I ever saw in my life up to that point was my wife’s wide eyed look and her clutching my hand for dear life. To make matters worse, she’s an RN and knew everything that was going on. My daughter was born 8/12/01. Little did I know that the horror of almost losing my daughter’s life would be eclipsed a month later.

We have taken the necessary precautions for BOTH of us to ensure we won’t have a third child; all options were non surgical because we don’t want to “interfere with the plumbing” so to speak; we use other methods. Given the fact that we almost lost my wife the first time and my daughter a second combined with the risk factors for both of us (and the effect of some of the medications I take on sperm), we have elected to terminate any future pregnancy.

It was not an easy decision, but we cannot take a chance with my wife’s life again or having a special needs child which we could not afford to take care of. In Palinworld, this common sense approach would be forbidden. We have certainly done our part for the past 7 years to make sure this never happens…also by acting responsibly by making sure we’re not doing anything during “peak hours” so to speak. So, it’s a cold shower for yours truly on those occasions.

I loved seeing my first daughter being born, it moved me to tears. My sister in law still talks about how proud and happy I was on that day. I feel ripped off by the Cosmos that I never got to see my little one born. I am very much as pro-life as you can get *personally*, but in terms of reality…women have the right to the option of whether or not to go through with a pregnancy. Notice is did not say “should”…let me repeat: WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WITH THEIR BODY AS THEY CHOOSE. It is a personal choice, it is one governed my individual morals and real life situations. GOVERNMENT, ON ANY LEVEL HAS NO RIGHT TO INTERFERE WITH ANYONE’S BODY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. IT IS THE ULTIMATE IN INVASION OF PRIVACY.

When you treat another Human Being as different in ANY fashion, you are degrading life itself. All persons on this earth have a purpose, and that is the goal of life imho…to find your own place in the grand scheme of things. But that involves CHOICE…and that is something that should be universal, yet we choose to allow others to control our lives.

Choose wisely by making your life the very best it can be and be good to others making their lives better as well.

Choice…it’s a beautiful thing.

14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

Wow, BobbieG, I don’t see Glass-Steagal mentioned very often. How relevant that you bring up tonight, as we watch the market meltdown.

14 09 2008
phnxrising

Swineprincess and Whabs,
Thank you for the courage to be vulnerable and be a living testament to the responsibility that comes with protecting a right that has been hard fought for and continues to be vital to the health, safety and well-being of women all around the world!

Alaskagrandmother,
I am so sorry that your daughter had to endure such treatment and hope that you return here knowing that there are plenty of other people in this world who do not live, believe and behave in this fashion who possess compassion, mercy and gentleness of spirit! The truth is that “Christian” never really was intended to be a noun but a verb!

14 09 2008
Megan Edwards

What a Wonderful World This Would Be… come on! Sing along…

Don’t know much about history
Don’t know much geography
Don’t believe those scientific geeks
Don’t want to know ‘bout all those homo freaks
But I do know that I’m prepared
I won’t blink, so if you’re feelin’ scared
Trust a hockey mom and vote for me.

Don’t know nothin’ but my talkin’ points
Don’t hang out in all those lefty joints
Don’t know much about the foreign war
Don’t know what a V. P. is for
But I do know how to shoot a moose
And to cook a state trooper’s goose
I’m a hockey mom! Yeah! Vote for me!

Now, I’m no old boy Washington insider–
But I’d like to be
I’m hopin’ my lipstick will help you not notice
Just how “old boy” my views might be

Don’t know much about global news
Don’t share most librarians’ views
Don’t think foreigners should have a voice
Don’t think anyone should have a choice
But I do know that I’ve got a shot
At the Oval Office — whoa, that’s hot!
If McCain croaks — hey, there I’ll be!

14 09 2008
Melba

thanks DeMo (21:53:10)
Lehmann Merrill Lynch et al are hardly innovative businesses
a few cities and states are emphasizing renewable energy
federal government hasn’t caught up yet

14 09 2008
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14 09 2008
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14 09 2008
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14 09 2008
Debbie

06) :

@Catherine – I’m 54. I didn’t vote in ‘72 and we got Nixon – I’ve felt guilty ever since. I voted 3rd party in ‘80 and we got Reagan – (Nothing against 3rd parties – sometimes the 2 party system seems so futile, but I’m so sick of hearing about St. Ronald.)–They always said old Ronnie would remembered as being great, back in 80 when they said that I thought they were nuts. Now I wonder how many of our great presidents were “remade” and how they will go about doing the same with GW.🙂

14 09 2008
BobbyG

@Lani aka Bash Budweiser (22:18:00):

Obama announcement – “Socialized medicine will unfortunately be delayed until after we socialize Wall Street.”

All these mofos are leveraged out the ass on bad paper that is spiraling down to pennies on the dollar.

I worked in subprime (VISA/MC) risk management from 2000 – 2005. Mostly did proprietary credit scorecard modeling and portfolio management stuff for a privately-held issuer. In mid-2004 we got bought by a Wall St. “bad paper” firm whose marching orders were to turn us into a securitization bundling operation — e.g., book 100,00 new accounts, bundle ‘em up and sell ‘em, etc: lather, rinse, repeat, lather, rinse, repeat, lather, rinse, repeat, lather, rinse, repeat, lather, rinse, repeat, …

Sell the long-term portfolio risk to widely dispersed others, knock off some swell transaction fees…our senior execs (Lexus drivers all — hell, even I bought one) loved to say “The Best Things in Life are FEE!

When the practice metastasized to mortgage paper, well, the end result is the mess I predicted nearly 4 years ago (I quit in early 2005). No one gave a flying shit about credit quality or accurate appraising or any kind of regulation.

Then, one day, “Poof.”

That day is here. They’ve been trying just frantically to push the crash off ’til after the election. Doesn’t look like they’ll make it.

14 09 2008
Debbie

One more thing I noticed the John McCain has pulled his adds from TV in Oregon, they were saying on the news he has lost ground here, for awhile it was considered a swing state, but I don’t think Sara was a hit.

14 09 2008
arkangel3

LATE NEWSFLASH: Lehman just went belly up, and Merrill Lynch just got bought by B of A. Expect all hell to break loose in 7 hours time.

Pardon my language here, but we’re now officially in deep shit. God help this country, because the Republicans sure as hell won’t.

14 09 2008
BobbyG

arkangel3 (22:34:27):

Black Monday draws nigh. Let’s ask Sarah Palin what to do about it.

14 09 2008
DeMo

Well, color me shocked. Seems young evangelicals are split over Palin, and not because a woman should stay at home. Nope, more progressive evangelicals are concerned. Like I said, color me shocked.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ievsXXxTb2ENKbjZhbiPitAe-vWAD936K3F00

alaskagrandmother, I just don’t get it. IF what your daughter did was seen as a sin, what happened to love the sinner but hate the sin? And what she did certainly wasn’t a sin. She chose to save her life. And her church should have supported her in a time of such horrendous turmoil. To turn their backs on her, to write horrid letters is nothing but hate. What happened to love thy neighbor?

At this moment, I’m hating Giuliani. I didn’t like him as my mayor. He had one day in office when he was called to lead and he came through. On Meet the Press, he was awful. Yes, the campaignS have gotten too negative, but McCain wanted to do town hall meetings and Obama refused. So, McCain is now punishing Obama? Is that the rationale? If only he had obeyed…

Tom Brokaw. Mr. Brokaw, I watched Meet the Press when Tim Russert was the host (mayhe RIP) and you are no Time Russert.

14 09 2008
arkangel3

Bobby…I’m sure a few of the guys on the Floor could use some of her shotguns today. It’s gonna be a really bad day. Send good vibes to those who will be losing their jobs, and the poor guys on the Exchange Floors today who REALLY are going to need courage and strength.

Since I’m the Domestic Warrior tomorrow, I’m out for the night; kids go to school in 6 hours. Just enough time for some sleep.

Stay positive, people. Have faith in ourselves and each other, because faith manages.

14 09 2008
DeMo

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14 09 2008
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14 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

This seems to be the Modus Operandi of the Banana Republicans – while in office, spend like there’s no tomorrow, leave a HUGE debt for the Democrats, Democrats work to clean up the financial mess and finally put the counry back in black, then the Banana Republicans get back in and it starts all over again. For a party that advertises ‘fiscal conservatism’, I’ve yet to see it in my 65 years. Maybe some of them should try actually working for a living rather than marrying into money or inheriting it.

14 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

@VP, Flat Earth Society (22:43:15) :

They’re more likely to be stealing it.😉

14 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

@DeMo (22:40:47) :

Even the Pope would have supported alaskagrandmother’s daughter.

14 09 2008
J T

I’m watching the bio on Fox news about Palin. What is annoying is they keep saying the anti-Palin crowd was quesioning if she could be a mom and do the job, whereas that question would not be asked of a man.

But that was not really the issue for many who are anti-Palin…it was the fact that a parent…mother or father…would not sit down with their family and discuss the decision that would affect them all, especially her pregnant daughter. I would be just as critical of a father who would subject his daugher to that public exposure at this time.

According to her own account she immediately said yes, and didn’t tell the kids until later.

That is what many of us were critical about, in regards to the mother part of palin.

The MSM is diffusing the real issues, by combining two issues, and then discounting both. They did this with the book banning, fused the book list with the initial book banning, thus making the entire book issue go away.

And if you are campaigning on Family Values…either male or female…then you must expect the world to look at how you deal with your family and parenthood. What business does any politician have making laws that effect our families if they can’t get a handle on their own family. And that is not a gender thing.

14 09 2008
Mil

Tomorrow’s going to be ugly, Batten down the hatches people.

14 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

I guess socialism is alive and well on Wall Street (but only on Wall Street) – government bailouts for Fannie and Freddie, B of A taking over Merrill Lynch. They do look after their own, don’t they? Welcome to the world of Gordon “Greed is Good” Gecko, capitalism at its ugliest. But not to worry, the CEOs and CFOs will keep their huge severance packages – it’s just the investors and small-time guys that will get hurt. And this from a country that says “Let the Market take care of it”. Right !

14 09 2008
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I’ve never given money to a campaign, I’ve already donated twice (first the morning after the RNC horror show). I am going for my third. I contributed to Defenders, which is cool and easy because I love all animals (and humans and the environment.) I think we have a big battle up to November, no matter how much of the truth on Palin comes out…if it weren’t for this blog, I would have gone crazy by now. This protest in beautiful Alaska-the turnout that was not expected, but was so wonderfully attended by many brave souls-makes me brave and gives realistic hope. I Love you all, to AKM, and to strong and humerous postings on this blog, providing great links to other sites and information. You are keeping many of us focused, energised, and active. I know Obama and Biden will win; events have kept me from becoming complacent. Not a bad thing!

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14 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

BobbieG, arkangel3, & others watching the unfolding,
I’m just a small town mom with a disabled child (hmmm, sounds familiar). Did mortgages on my own schedule, helped young couples develop budgets, etc., plan for the future, buy within their means. I remember so clearly when suddenly money was being thrown around, prices sky-rocketing, agents yelling at me to just do the deal. I made a lot of enemies for being realistic. Now all of us – yep, including people who bought earlier and put good money down – are looking at major losses.

BobbieG, agreed. I thought somehow the meltdown would be held off until Bush left office. That’s not happening. When I saw Asian markets selling off US debts and Aussie banks writing them down 70% and more, I knew the reckoning was coming much, much sooner. And here we are.

14 09 2008
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15 09 2008
Bluedog

For those of you asking about aerial hunting, here is a short version of a complicated subject. (And when you see how long this is, you’ll be afraid of how complicated it all REALLY is.)

There is a powerful group here called the Alaska Outdoor Council. It has a PAC and a lobbyist in Juneau during the legislative sessions. Politicians of a certain ilk curry their favor because they represent thousands of voters, they contribute lots of money, and they are very politically influential. Most of the members of the Alaska Board of Game (which makes all management decisions) are AOC members, or have even served in executive positions at the AOC. The executive director from the AOC is from …you guessed it…Wasilla.

Often, even the commissioners, division directors, and some biologists in the Alaska Department of Fish & Game are active in AOC or give money to it. The group’s primary thrust is influencing the BOG and thus the ADF&G, which serves at the BOG’s pleasure. I’m sure you can guess who endorsed Sarah Palin in the last election.

By statute Alaska must be legally managed for the highest production of game animals. That is the highest and best use of wildlife here legally. (Yes, it’s stupid, but it’s unlikely that will ever change.) The problem is that the population goals for “intensive management” are artificially high, thus providing a rationale for predator control in perpetuity.

AOC activists think of aerial hunting as “predator control,” not hunting. They have advocated successfully with the Board of Game to create predator control areas in which wolves can be shot from planes by private pilots and gunners. (Palin tried to institute a bounty, but it didn’t survive court challenges. A ballot measure trying to force state biologists to do the shooting only in “biological emergencies” just failed.)

Also, in the game unit across Cook Inlet from Anchorage, black bear sows and cubs can be shot without a bag limit. In many areas black bears can be shot over bait stations (and brown bears in some areas). Wolves can be pursued on snowmachines as long as the “hunter” stops before he shoots. Etc. At the last several board meetings, a former ADF&G biologist has seriously proposed bear trapping as a recreational activity that could draw Outside hunters. I predict the board will eventually allow it.

The stated purpose of “intensive management” is to suppress predator populations (i.e. wolves and sometimes bears) that are allegedly holding down populations of moose and caribou. The science supporting the effectiveness of “managed” predator control is spotty at best. That’s because the legislature does not give ADF&G enough money for real research, unless it involves predator control. So the department depends heavily on the license and tag fees from sport hunters, especially those from Outside. So they do not curtail sport hunting as a management technique very often.

There are few subjects in Alaska more politicized than game management. I, and many Alaskans, either hunt moose and caribou for food or support hunting for food. Many people, especially in the villages, really do depend on wild game (aka “subsistence”). Sarah Palin is not seen here as some kind of weirdo (or superwoman) simply because she hunts. But most Alaskans, including myself, do not support predator control.

The problem is, as with some many things, that the whole system is rigged. AOC is very, very skillful at manipulating public opinion whenever ballot issues about bear baiting or predator control come up. (Who does that remind you of?) Even when Alaskans have voted overwhelmingly against aerial hunting of wolves, the Legislature has ignored them. The AOC essentially approves of all board members appointed by the governor before the Legislature does.

If you want to read about an ethical stance toward hunting, check out this group: http://www.alaskabackcountryhunters.org/.

They are the real deal. The AOC hates them. (If you can stand it: http://www.alaskaoutdoorcouncil.org/)

Sorry to be so long-winded…but it’s important to know that shooting wolves from planes or shooting bears over bait is just one more intensely political issue in this wacky, nutty place, and it was long before Palin arrived. (And I grew up here, so I should know.)

But people who shoot wolves from planes….yeah, they’re just a****les who like killing things.

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
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swineprincess (21:25:34) : Thanks for sharing your story. In the late ’60s, I had a friend who got a back street abortion and almost died. Personally, I hope Roe vs Wade is eternal. I would hope it never again comes down to a young woman having to flip a coin: Do I use the underground in my state to find an abortion and gamble my life, or do I try to find (and then get to) a state where I’m safe and it’s legal?

15 09 2008
wlsc

@bluedog –
Thanks so much for the good explanation of the “predator control” issue & the players. I didn’t think that anyone who was a real hunter, especially those who do subsistence hunting to put food on the family table, was in favor of aerial “hunting.”

Who knew that we’d all be learning so much about the ins & outs of Alaska politics!!

15 09 2008
NMJ

J T (22:55:09) : And if you are campaigning on Family Values…either male or female…then you must expect the world to look at how you deal with your family and parenthood. What business does any politician have making laws that effect our families if they can’t get a handle on their own family. And that is not a gender thing.

You bet! CNN Presents did an hour on Joe Biden tonight (I’m sure they’ll repeat it). I didn’t really know the man, and now I’m really impressed. After his wife and one of his children died (just before he was sworn into the Senate) and he was left with two very young boys to raise, he commuted 100 miles by train to work and home every day to be with his children. He said in a press conference:

“If in 6 months or so there is a conflict between my being a good father and being a good senator, which I hope will not occur, I will contact the governor-elect and tell him we can always get another senator but they can’t get another father.” – Joe Biden

15 09 2008
protus

Heres the deal.

We need ground troops.

I said this awhile back and these blogs are nice and all, but we need feet on the ground going around talking to people about the issues and informing those who dont do computers.

They listen to radio and these radio stations for the most part have been bought up by right wing conservative groups.

All day long they Obama bash in alot of cases 24/7 talk.

They are getting flooded with Palin koolaid and Barrack bashing.

All these small towns add up and if something is not done about it a couple of key states like WI and MI and PA could be closer than anyone would have hoped for.

So if you are in those states or any state for that matter get out there and be a part of the local Obama Campaign. Get out the of the house and get those feet on the ground if you can!

Anyhow looking forward to the debates!

Go Obama/Biden 08!!

For those of you who have been let down the last 2 elections you know exactly what I am talking about. The Reptards will stop at nothing and use every tactic to not discuss issues and keep this election about Palin.

This plays into Rove politics and they will use the fear button over and over and over as we move closer to election day.

I figure they will try some kind of october Bin Laden stunt as well.

This election is close and we need every vote we can get.

15 09 2008
Andrea

@ J T – absolutely. Palin believe in making the personal political, so by rights I think it’s perfectly acceptable to look at her personal choices. they’re inextricably linked to her political beliefs – and therefore policies which will in turn affect other people if she gets into power.

15 09 2008
Andrea

@ J T – absolutely. Palin believes in making the personal political, so by rights I think it’s perfectly acceptable to look at her personal choices. they’re inextricably linked to her political beliefs – and therefore policies which will in turn affect other people if she gets into power.

15 09 2008
BlueFranco

Hey Alaskans did y’all know that your Govenor has a tanning bed…WHO paid for it? A must read

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/palins-tanning-bed-the-evolution-a-story

15 09 2008
Cartoon Pig Dog

I just woke up and am having my first cup of coffee. My first stop online, right here, one of the first things I read, the story above by Swineprincess.
I usually like to consider myself a fairly tough guy (not in the bully sense, it’s just that I can take a lot of punishment and keep smiling), yet right now I actually have tears in my eyes and I can’t get them to stop. It’s very rare for me to get emotional over a strangers past but this story hit me hard, it took me back to over thirty years ago when a similar situation hit my sister, but she had been raped and she was ridiculed for aborting and people told her that she was a slut and she asked for it and all kinds of shit. This guy had beat her severely and left her in a ditch on a little back road in Oregon and she was found the next day, bleeding all over from cuts made by the man’s knife. This man tortured her while he raped her and yet people said it was her fault. She was still in high school at the time, and to this day she still occasionally has bad dreams about that night.

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
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It’s an intervention electorate, I’m telling you. Like the bumper sticker says, ‘Vote Democrat: The People Who Brought You the Surplus’ and ‘Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?’

Paul Krugman in the NYT this morning ended his column with ‘yikes.’

Gadzooks but there is a lot of work to do in this country.

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15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

well the anti Palin rally in the great state of Alaska made CNN this morning!!!

Yeah!!!

She does not speak for all women!

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

@ BlueFranco (02:13:14) :

wonder if Mudflats has detail on the tanning bed

15 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

So last night I signed up on the Obama website to contact people in my neighborhood re the issues and voting – and I got a list of people from a town 53 miles away! I sent off a message asking for people who are closer – we’ll see if it work.

I noticed Obama took a small jump in the polls over McCain here in NJ, which was heartening as he had lost his tremendous lead.

15 09 2008
BlueFranco

Cynthia, Mudflats is a GREAT blog, I am sure now that the story is out they will follow up.

I hear that this is just the beginning of new revelations…I know who wudda thunk?

Al Giordano who broke the story is one of the best investigative reporters around

15 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Well, the stock market is going to tank this morning and gas prices have jumped. How’s the economy, Republican voters?

“Drill, baby, Drill” won’t have any effect on hurricanes, but controlling global warming just might help to lessen their severity and impact on rigs and refineries in the Gulf area.

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

you guys know Phil Gramm is part strike master in this whole down fall of the investment industry right! No, not many people know that and who’s campaign does he work for——->John Mccain!!! I will find the link when I find it again.

15 09 2008
Zim in Oz

Apparently J McC is not computer literate and depends on his wife for his internet ‘stuff’. Perhaps she is not being entirely honest.

Do you think he is really really ignorant and does not know he is lying? ie just reading a script
or
Do you think he knows he is lying and just assumes that he can get away with it beacuse we are all really really stupid ?

Perhaps Cindy should google * “John McCain” lies * like I did.
Here’s a collection of them.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/98761/the_media_call_mccain_and_palin_on_their_trail_of_lies/?page=entire

15 09 2008
wolphy

Another informative article to “buzz up”
The pastor who clashed with Palin: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html

15 09 2008
Reality Check

DeMo,

You are so right about Brokaw. I saw him on Meet the Press and he was horrible. Tim Russert must be turning in his grave.

No way Russert would have allowed that slimeball Guliani to get away with all the garbage he was spewing.

And Giuliani is a slimeball. Not an opinion, a fact.

15 09 2008
John Henry

It’s an intervention electorate, I’m telling you. Like the bumper sticker says, ‘Vote Democrat: The People Who Brought You the Surplus’ and ‘Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?’

Paul Krugman in the NYT this morning ended his column with ‘yikes.’

Gadzooks but there is a lot of work to do in this country.

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15 09 2008
MJC

Reality Check,
You are absolutely dead on the money about Brokaw in Meet the Press. I have to disagree with you about RUDY. I think you were being too polite when you said he was a slimeball.

15 09 2008
Diva

I’m trying to catch up with the weekends posting. I was unfortunately otherwise occupied cleaning a flooded basement due to broken pipes. Yuck! But I kept saying it could be worse, we could be in Galveston…. hope all our friends there are safe.

Swineproncess, alsakagrandma, cartoonpigdof, all of you who shared your brave stories-thank you for your courage and for your fighting spirits! We will keep abortions safe, legal and rare by improving sexual education and our health systems under an Obama/Biden administration!

Someone said Joe Biden was recently sworn in as a new senator when he lost his wife and little daughter in a car crash. Actually, bot his sons were also in the car and were severely injured. Joe had not yet been sworn in, but after careful consideration, he arranged for his sister to move in with him to care for the boys and he was sworn in at Beau’s hospital bedside. He is truly a courageous man, and we’ be so lucky to have him as our vp. Especially after that truly horrid Cheney! Ewwwww!

Also, Phil Graham has a long and checkered past as a lobbyist for UBS while he was working for McCain. Graham was responsible for deregulating much of Wall St, now look where we are.

Are YOU better off than you were 4 years ago? 8 years ago?

15 09 2008
MJC

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15 09 2008
MJC

Cynthia TX,

I saw the the Women against Palin Rally on CNN this morning too! Let’s hope the other MSM picks up on it as well. Let’s hope the idea will spread throughout the U.S.

15 09 2008
White Agate

And Bluedog, thanks for the detailed explanation of aerial hunting. It seems, like so many things, there is a need for a paradigm shift there, from recreation to true natural resource management. Wolves are doing well in northern MN after many years of persecution, but they are controversial for many. The wolf center in Ely (?) is awesome. They are amazing creatures, and have a matriarchal social structure, I believe. I just don’t think anything should be hunted down using an airplane. The wolves are predators but then so are we. We all need better management, don’t you think?

15 09 2008
White Agate

Sorry, wrong about that, it’s a co-Alpha male and female pack social structure. Imagine that!

15 09 2008
swineprincess

@Alaskagrandmother
wow… you posted right after I logged out. I am absolutely appalled at the story of your daughter and son-in-law. I too know people like the “good” Christians of SP’s church. Please know that not all Christians are like that. This list, while not espousing any religion, has people of all faiths, including the faith in no god/dess. The thing about the people on this blog is that everyone respects each other (except for the occasional Troll, of course) and this group offers the best of our world. Know that you and your family are in our thoughts and prayers and that we are all happy that your daughter chose her own life.

On another thread, proud2busa (13:19:11) said this:

For all the newbies and trolls:

Everyone is PRO-life. We are ALL for life (even for those wolves and polar bears).

The difference is some people are ANTI-Choice, and that is how we refer to it here. So, in speaking terms, you are either Anti-Choice or Pro-Choice.

She’s said it more than once, and I can only say Yes!! We are all pro-life… the question is whether you are willing to allow women the right to choose.

Karen (21:45:58)

thanks for the link!

15 09 2008
Tata

Ok this site is the Bomb!!!! I love the passion of everyone here to make change. I want to tell you all that I am in Florida and I joined a group of Florida women for Obama and let me tell you these ladies are serious. They meet once a week and plan their weekly goals. They went to the supermarket that is local in this area and did voter regristrations… Sunday they went to another resturant and did voter regristrations.

I also wanted to let you know that if you go to moveon.org you can set up parties at your home and they will send you list of numbers in those critical states that we need and then you and you friends can sit and make calls. I think that the ladies of Florida for Obama are going to be doing this.

I know that we are all in our own areas but if you go to http://www.barakobama.com you can join the womens group for your state and neighborhood. Please take the time to go and get to know other people that are in your area… we just need to be around people with the same energy that we have and this will help to motivate us in a big way. I have to tell you that the truth is that I was getting a little discouraged and I think that happens from time to time. I had to stop watching the TV because I was getting so mad. I decided to look on the internet and find productibe ways to channel that energy.

I love this site and I think this is something that we all need to do in our areas. I tell you what…when I think of what is on the line here… I get really scares

15 09 2008
MJC

Hi Tata,
Sounds like you all are making strides in Fla. Any rallys being planned similiar to the Alaska Women against Palin?

15 09 2008
swineprincess

@arkangel3 (22:17:47) :

well, you choked me up…again… I honestly never even thought you could top your personal survival story, but there it is. Thank you for sharing. There are millions of “choice” stories. You & your wife are choosing to assure that your daughters have both parents.

15 09 2008
Diva

I don’t kno wif this has been posted anywhere yet, but ——

“Palin was involved in in an effort to take over the local hospital board and block all abortions in the facility. This forced any woman — including women who were raped and had to pay for their own rape kit — who even wanted counseling on abortion to travel to Seattle.

Locals sued the hospital and won an injunction from the state Supreme Court that required the hospital to provide the option, and the local religious right went nuts. They held a picket line to block access to the clinic. And on the picket line? Sarah Palin.

At one point during the hospital battle, passions ran so hot that local antiabortion activists organized a boisterous picket line outside Dr. Lemagie’s office, in an unassuming professional building across from Palmer’s Little League field. According to Bess and another community activist, among the protesters trying to disrupt the physician’s practice that day was Sarah Palin.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/15/62252/3231/830/599218

15 09 2008
Steve

15 09 2008
swineprincess

VP, Flat Earth

bbwhahahahah! “Maybe some of them should try actually working for a living rather than marrying into money or inheriting it.” good one… I know Ann Richards was talking about Daddy Bush when she aid “Poor George…He was borne with a silver foot in his mouth” but you could apply it to GeeDub too.

oh heck, let’s enjoy Ann one more time (I’m gonna try that fancy linky thing!):

15 09 2008
Steve

Sorry, I thought an embedded video would work.

This dramatic reading of a Wasilla council meeting is pretty funny. I don’t know if it is true or not. Any ideas?

15 09 2008
swineprincess

yeah… didn’t work Here’s Ann…

15 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

Thanks Princess – that got me hopping around on Ann on You Tube… I think this one is particularly appropriate right now:

15 09 2008
swineprincess

protus (01:21:12) :

your point is well taken, Protus, but if you read our posts on a regular basis, you know that most of us are out there boots to the ground and THIS SITE inspired many of us to do it… in fact if you read this particular thread, you’ll see lots of folk talking about this being the first time they have ever done anything or the first time they have done anything since the Nixon debacle.

15 09 2008
buckydoc

Tanning Bed in Gov Mansion?!

http://tinyurl.com/569pf5

As another blogger put it – this could be her $400 haircut

15 09 2008
eajphd

Regarding the tanning bed, they can be used for treating vitamin D deficiency due to low levels of sunlight (as in Alaskan winters) and also for treating psoriasis and Crohn’s disease . So the real question may be one of embarrassing, but non-life threatening health issues rather than one of vanity. It would be really helpful to know what her health status is, and even more important to know what McCain’s health status is.

15 09 2008
Kathy

Question- I have heard rumors about Track Palin specifically that he only went into the military to avoid criminal action- haven;t seen anything definitive.

Does anyone know if this is true, with citations please? Thanks-

15 09 2008
Zim in Oz

ooo la la

The ‘lie counter’…a good one
http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies

15 09 2008
Ann Adams

Thank you for this. We’re doing what we can here in California.

I share a tiny political blog as well as the family blog shown as my website.

I’ll post your link. Meantime, would appreciate your good wishes for my two friends (grand and great-grannies both, as am I) who share the blog and are, I hope, okay in Houston, TX.

Ann (granny) at Is America Burning

http://isamericaburning.blogspot.com

15 09 2008
DeMo

wolphy (03:47:16) :

Another informative article to “buzz up”
The pastor who clashed with Palin: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html

Thanks for the link. Saved and being forwarded to those I know. This woman is frightening. Dangerous. And that’s not hyperbole.

15 09 2008
jimstaro

Want a Good Talking Point To Women not so much about Palin but the GOP Ideology of Trickle Down Economics, that many were Warning them about:

Spike in jobless rate for women is worst in more than 33 years

A sharp monthly rise in unemployment for women could be a sign that the economic slowdown has begun to hit working women with a force not seen in decades.

15 09 2008
arkangel3

@swineprincess-
You have no idea how many times I should have been dead in my 47 years on this planet. I want to make sure I’m there for my girls, and be able to walk them down the aisle if they so choose. The best way I know how to do this is to write and to speak up to protect their Rights and the Rights of everyone as loudly as I can. It’s a small ripple in the pond, but a small ripple is all it takes sometimes.

This election is about the whole thing…everything. It’s about not only our country but about the whole world. We stand at the crossroads of greatness and oblivion. It’s important to get involved in whatever way you can on any level. MAKE AMERICA WAKE UP; for surely if we do not, then there will be no one left to see the sunrise.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

@ A Brit abroad…

THANK YOU. That vid of Ann is outstanding and just as applicable today as it was 4 years ago. Annie we’re sorry you didn’t live long enough to see this administration hit the sidewalk… RIP Ann Richards, September 1, 1933 – September 13, 2006. We promise to do it this time.

15 09 2008
Al Sack

WHEN they say “Drill Baby Drill” they are not talking about oil/natural gas. They are talking about new ways to steal the remaining Net Worth of those with incomes below 175 000 dollar yearly income.
Surely by now everyone knows no matter how much we DRILL, it will be sucked up by the world market and will do nothing for USA. USA s only option is to get individual homes and business s — on Solor/Hydrogen/fuel cell, in south states and decentralize energy sources and Natural gas in North states. The Drill Baby Drill crowd already knows this,, but their goal is to Centralize the energy sources around Nukes so they have priceing control. Guess who will pay for the Nuke plants.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

@Zim, love the lie counter!

@Ann Adams: hope your friends are OK too… I have friends & family in Houston. Two local stations are still streaming live: KHOU & KTRK… just Google and click. I’ve been able to relay info to my friends/fam by watching and phoning. In near SW Houston, 77035/77096, they are being told by the power people it will be over a week before power is restored.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

Hey, I just heard a woman on the Today Show say that the average age of widowhood in America is 54 years old… Cindy McCain was born May 20, 1954.

Oh sh*t.

15 09 2008
Zim in Oz

Here in Australia tanning salons are now required to warn customers about the potential cancer risk …..be careful, they are dangerous…very dangerous.

http://www.helium.com/items/648942-should-minors-be-allowed-to-use-tanning-beds

http://cancer.about.com/b/2008/09/02/australian-tanning-salons-post-cancer-warnings.htm

15 09 2008
arkangel3

While we’re waiting with anticipation for the next installment of what has become an absolute obsession with me (this place), you may want to check out a piece I wrote for my own blog last night. Please leave any comments there as I don’t want to derail anything here, or clog up this site. I hate shameless self-promotion, but what the hell. If what I wrote doesn’t offer a frightening possibility and scare the daylights out of you, I don’t know what will.

http://arkangel3.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/a-danger-to-the-republic-part-i/

That will be my last act of self-promotion here. If you like my stuff, please bookmark it. Thanks.

15 09 2008
Lola

Straight from juneau Empire: Palin asked to release Todd Palin’s e-mails

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/091408/sta_332203923.shtml

I thought she promised to be open and transparent and cooperate fully??

Why does she LIE so much???

15 09 2008
Intrigued

eajphd — Studies prove that sunlight exposure is NOT the best way to get vitamin D; supplementation is. I live in AZ, where we get TONS of sunlight, but our vitamin D levels are just as low as elsewhere. That sunlight thing is a myth.

Even IF Gov. Failin’ got the tanning bed to increase her vitamin D levels, that is still no excuse for not reporting it as a gift — if it was — and/or using taxpayer dollars to wire the governor’s mansion for it.

15 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Good Morning All,

Just was browsing once again through the blogs and found this great read. Please go check it out..
http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_political/762857.html

AKA
Slap Spear Palin

15 09 2008
Intrigued

Obama Tried to Stall GIs’ Withdrawal from Iraq

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

So much for his public image; it’s all BS. Obama is the consummate politician, just like McCain, Palin, and Biden. Political expediency and themselves is all they care about.

Vote 3rd party –it’s the SANE thing to do!

15 09 2008
Downtown Peal

OMG – what a great blog – so well-written, light, spicy with the right amount of humor AND right on the money!! you’re the first connect on my new blog – downtownpearl.com. Keep it coming please.

15 09 2008
Pat

WHY………….did that Mother leave Galveston, and leave 2 Lab Pups in a CAGE in the house? ( on the first floor). WHY didn’t she take them with her? Or at least turn them loose on the 2nd floor?
Now CNN is taking us there to sympathize with her that she came back and found them drowned? I can only hope she is still too upset to vote in Nov.
So many really REALLY STOOPID people in this country!

15 09 2008
Diva

Are you pro-life?

Yes, you, the one reading this post. Do you consider yourself pro-life?

I am, and I strongly suspect you are also.

Why did we allow the far-right to hijack the term “pro-life”? I don’t know anyone who is “anti-life”.

I do know many people who are “pro-choice”, however. Why, then, is the opposite not referred to as “anti-choice”? That’s what the opposition of women’s reproductive rights SHOULD be called. They would take away a woman’s right to choose what happens to her own body.

Let’s put the CHOICE back into this struggle. There is no “pro-life”, there is only pro-choice and anti-choice.

What do you choose?

15 09 2008
Susan in Atl

I must have missed something…what’s up with the repetitive list of names?

Also…can’t believe I’m saying this….I just turned 45, white, female😉

I was surprised to see that most here are my age! Maybe that explains the higher level of discourse😉 Not to mention the actual spelling out of words!

15 09 2008
sweetebony

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15 09 2008
swineprincess

Diva: yaayyy!! keep saying it!

15 09 2008
tonya

@ katiebegood (19:52:48)

Don’t be so quick to judge. If you look at my post it is the link to McCain’s website stating his policy on Roe v Wade of which I copied and pasted the whole policy on the post also. If you go to the link, you will see that.

This is NOT my opinion and I do not agree with it, perhaps I should have added that, my bad. I am NOT Republican. I was merely trying point out McCains policy, if God forbid, he’s elected.

I have pointed this policy out to many of my friends that haven’t done their research and think McCain/Palin are wonderful. Their jaws drop when I tell them it wasn’t hear say, but straight from the horses mouth. It’s a good tool to use against him.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

Arkangel3 says he isn’t going to self-promote anymore… but that doesn’t stop me from promoting him… go read his blog if you haven’t already… http://arkangel3.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/a-danger-to-the-republic-part-i/

15 09 2008
BlueFranco

I hope some great Alaskan progressive brother or sister will bring up the Palin tanning bed in the mansion story at Ed’s forum, maybe someone there wil have more info?

15 09 2008
White Agate

Intrigued: I live above the ‘MS belt’ (SE MN) so I had been researching this issue this summer. Before people could supplement, they were outside a lot more and got enough Vitamin D, which is a hormone, really. The problem is now most people spend too much time inside (90% of their time), especially in northern climates. We are also sunscreening ourselves to the point of sun blockage, which blocks vitamin D production. Now I know that most sunscreens are not safe, and contain many carcinogenic chemicals, after researching it this summer, that’s another whole topic. SPF 8 sunscreen limits 95% of Vitamin D production in one’s skin.

If your Vitamin D is low, despite being in the sun belt, check your diet, too. Vitamin D is added to milk but it is usually found in fatty fish and eggs. Also cod liver oil, which my mom gave to me and is nasty but works. Get the best ones you can, obviously, because a lot of the fish stock out there is polluted.

If you get 15-20 minutes of strong, direct sunlight on hands, arms, face, legs, every day, your vitamin D production is off the charts, much higher than supplementing. Since that isn’t always possible in the winter, supplementation is recommended, especially as people get older (50+). We also do not use sunscreen when we are outside unless we are out for more than a hour or so, and then only on faces and shoulders. Haven’t had a sunburn yet with any of my kids.

Here’s an article about it from the Vancouver Sun.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=2afe61fa-d92f-426d-a401-5611c495e418&p=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

So, to sum up, there are lots of things you can do to promote Vitamin D production, but the most important is to spend 15 minutes every day in direct sunlight without sunscreen. Yes, 15 minutes, you’d think most of us would be doing that but we’re not. The farther north you go, and the darker your skin tone, the more you should supplement, especially as you get older.

If you live in Alaska, it makes sense to get some sun exposure but most of us would agree that a personal tanning bed is a personal expense.

It’s a complex health issue, but one I think that illustrates yet another way modern life makes us unhealthy without our even knowing. In the sunscreen/skin cancer mania, we have forgotten a hormone that is essential to not getting all kinds of other health problems, including other cancers.

I got into this when nursing kids, researching it as a northern climate resident and making sure my kids were getting what they needed.

Off soapbox.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

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15 09 2008
tonya

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
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Susie Jersey
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Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
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Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
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Judi-Georgia
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pamela in Western NY
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MissSue – Michigan
ocliberal – socal
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BlueSkyMama-New Mexico
SandyW – Kentucky
Lani aka Bash Budweiser – Hawaii
Enjay in MT
Mil from IL
Augie – Arkansas
Chris on ESMD
Catherine – Michigan
White Agate-SE Minnesota
John Henry – MA
MJC – Georgia
sweetebony- So Cali
Tonya – Oklahoma

15 09 2008
Susan in Atl

eajphd — Studies prove that sunlight exposure is NOT the best way to get vitamin D; supplementation is. I live in AZ, where we get TONS of sunlight, but our vitamin D levels are just as low as elsewhere. That sunlight thing is a myth.

That is not correct at all. It is not a myth. See the National Institute of Health: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002405.htm

Actually, supplements are typically the WORST way to get any vitamin for several reasons: 1 our bodies often do not sufficiently absorb synthetic forms 2. Overdosing of fat-soluable vitamins can have serious effects organs and even death in the case of Iron. Natural is always better.

Our body does manufacture vitamin D with the use of sunshine. Just 15 minutes or so a day is all that is required.

15 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@intriguedre: vitamin D, that’s actually not the case for normal, healthy people. Sunlight is the best way to get vitamin D (it’s specifically D3 aka cholecalciferol) although if there is any reason to get more than what 15 minutes a day can give you, supplementation is then the way to go, for the other obvious ‘unhealthy’ reasons. (I have to take D3 for health reasons, which is why I know about this.) But we digress…

15 09 2008
plwalsh

Financial markets are in turnmoil today, following the collapse of our fourth largest investment bank and other companies “too big to fail” teetering on the edge. You can be sure that Wall Street is not cheering over the prospect of Palin-McCain taking over. I wonder if any of the financial Republicans will come out publicly against them. No one thinks Palin is qualified to make decisions on these tricky issues and I doubt many think McCain is.

By the election, the Wall Street economy could be in really, really bad shape. I personally think a lot of the wealth of the Bush years was no more than hot air wrapped in derivatives.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

Trying one more time:

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15 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@white agate – it’s specificaly D3 that’s synthesized in the body as a hormone. And in case anyone is using this board as a health lesson (which I don’t suggest) and deciding to supplement with D3, you should know that too much of it can be dangerous. If you’re doing this (and this is true for some other vitamins as well, where excess is not expelled out from the body naturally) you need to have your blood levels monitored.

15 09 2008
arkangel3

LOL@swineprincess…and I meant it too!
Btw, I fixed the comments section; I do not moderate comments, but if there are too many links in a Comment it automatically goes into an approval queue. I just fixed this.

And since we’re all cross-promoting Blogs here (from Cartoon Pig Dog’s Blog; link courtesy swineprincess):
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=138399617&blogID=267995066&Mytoken=12EF90B5-290F-4724-9C4A572E99FBDC1829128723

Read this and make sure you have a change of underwear handy.

15 09 2008
J T

I noticed something interesting last night and today. When doing a Google Search for news stories on “sarah palin” the current articles seem to be primarily negative in nature. This is definately a shift from a few days ago.

15 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Still not sure what this is about….but I’ll join

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15 09 2008
linda

you might be interested in my post today…keep up the great work!

15 09 2008
PJ

The money paragraph:

“At one point during the hospital battle, passions ran so hot that local antiabortion activists organized a boisterous picket line outside Dr. Lemagie’s office, in an unassuming professional building across from Palmer’s Little League field. According to Bess and another community activist, among the protesters trying to disrupt the physician’s practice that day was Sarah Palin.”

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html

THIS IS HUGE!!! And it was buried in the article. Palin DEMONSTRATED at a physician’s office!

Other gems: that Sarah believes that in her lifetime, she will see the End of Days.

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

plwalsh (06:41:21) :

we can thank Phil Gramm for the putting forth the bill to help deregulate the investment industry! Hmm Mccain does not talk about that does he!

15 09 2008
J T

That story about the tanning bed reminded me of a dream I had last night. I dreamt I was watching a Palin interview, and Sarah was puffing on a cigarette.

Hmmmmm…..if I could afford a therapist I could figure out what all this means!

15 09 2008
J T

I definately do not want a candidate that believes the end of days is happening in her lifetime. They will not be making positive choices for my children and their future.

15 09 2008
arkangel3

@linda…got a link for your post or is it on here?

15 09 2008
White Agate

Amused and Bewildered: Agreed about supplementation, that’s why I prefer the spending time outside method, and don’t generally believe in heavy supplementation as things are better synthesized through healthy eating/exercise.

However, taking a daily multivitamin is reasonable, particularly when nursing. The Vancouver Sun says that as people age, particularly in northern climates, even heavier supplementation might be desirable. Like anything else, research it, talk to your doctor, and see what is right for you. It’s a complex issue.

If you go outside every day for 15-20 minutes, your production is like a bajillion units of vitamin D. It kind of made me think about sunscreen and how we just tinker around the edges of health issues and don’t know the big picture, often.

Off topic, sorry, but I spent a lot of time this summer trying to figure it out. If you want more sunscreen/safer sunscreen info, check http://www.ewg.org, the Environmental Working Group’s website.

I think that New York Post article needs some unpacking. Will look around today.

15 09 2008
plwalsh

JT:

The positive stuff about Palin is already out there (and a lot of it is not true anyhow). Even the MSM media is not going to turn off their audience by repeating the same Republican talking points over and over— the competitive edge goes to those who come up with new angles. The Palin scandals keep people tuning in and the scoops promote journalistic careers.

This is why I am pretty sure the Palin Effect has peaked for the Republicans, though not for Democrats, who get scared all over again every time another shoe drops. I don’t think there will even be much of an audience for another Palin interview. The Republicans don’t really want to know any more and the Democrats know she will just go on stonewalling.

The interesting thing to guess is whether the line of Palinmania will cross the line of Palin fatigue before the election.

15 09 2008
wolphy

Thanks PJ for reading the Salon article! Please, everyone read it and pass it along??

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html

15 09 2008
swineprincess

@arkangel3

‘wekom… and amen that on the change of undies… scary stuff that … thanks Arn/Cartoon Pig Dog…

and to anyone who says “It can’t happen here”, I say “Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they are not all out to get you.”

15 09 2008
PJ

The money paragraph:

“At one point during the hospital battle, passions ran so hot that local antiabortion activists organized a boisterous picket line outside Dr. Lemagie’s office, in an unassuming professional building across from Palmer’s Little League field. According to Bess and another community activist, among the protesters trying to disrupt the physician’s practice that day was Sarah Palin.”

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html

I’ve sent this article to AmericaBlog and TalkingPointMemo, let’s hope that they pick it up.

15 09 2008
antsy

Yes what’s up with the list? South Fla here.

15 09 2008
Intrigued

I wish I could file suit against Sarah Failin.’ I hardly slept a wink last night, still upset about the gruesome practice of aerial wolf “hunting” that she endorses.

That sadistic practice speaks volumes about her as a person — it is a real glimpse into her psyche.

15 09 2008
White Agate

Holy smokes! That Salon article pretty much articulates what we all thought. Rather than hyperventilate, I will go outside for 15 minutes for my daily shot of vitamin D and then make some more phone calls.

15 09 2008
Intrigued

Amused and Bewildered — You are dead wrong (except for the part about D3, which I agree is the desirable form). The University of Arizona (as stated before, we get tons of sunshine here whether you try to or not) just completed a battery of studies on this, which completely debunks the old, dated info from the studies you are citing. Sun exposure is NOT the best way to get vitamin D; supplementation is the preferred way. The feds are citing these studies too. Check it out.

15 09 2008
arkangel3

According to those who know her, Palin is not fond of (even scared of) cats. Does she think they’re the devil or something? What’s next, burning Wiccans? I’d love to lock her in a room with my three cats…she wouldn’t stand a chance! 😀

15 09 2008
PJ

My Sasha, the devil cat, would rip Palin apart!

15 09 2008
Susan in Atl

wolphy (06:54:01) :

Thanks PJ for reading the Salon article! Please, everyone read it and pass it along??

Wolphy, If I may put my two cents in: I read the article and thank you for inserting it. However, as I’ve said in the past, I do not believe it is a good idea for us to continue whipping everyone up over Palin. It is DANGEROUS.

Everyone knows about her now. If you are going to send anything, send an all encompassing investigative report like this one from the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

It covers all the major problems with her.

I have read a lot about Rove’s strategy and some on human nature as well as articles quoting women who SWITCHED TO MCCAIN BECAUSE OF PALIN. From all the data, to make Palin the obsessive focus will put McCain in the Whitehouse.

Let it go.

15 09 2008
Laurie

@intrigued. Am I missing something here. So if if vote “other” what does that accomplish? Is that kind of like throwing my vote away? Sounds like it to me. Last night the pundits were talking about that very fact. It looks like a disgruntiled throw away vote will end up benefitting McCain. Is that what you really want to see happen.

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
White Agate

I’ve calmed down and gotten hold of my bejeebers. Whew.

Yes, arkangel3, I saw that somewhere. How can you not like cats? I have 3, too, and it is unimaginable to not have them around. Charlotte would boss anybody into submission, even Gov. Palin.

After the Salon article, and the cats I’m feeling like the second act of ‘The Crucible’ or something. Not a good feeling.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

@ arkangel3

What’s next, burning Wiccans?

you bet… and anyone else that doesn’t agree with the radical fundie Faux-Christianity — I don’t want to insult my new, true Christian friends I’ve met here at Mudflats to even suggest that the religion she believes in is really Christian. Someone last week (Harly? Proud2Be? can’t remember) reminded us of the admonition against false prophets… words well spoken (or typed in this case)

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ plwalsh
For what it’s worth, there’s a headline in our right-leaning local daily:
Greenspan: Country can’t afford McCain’s tax cuts” But no to worry, W says the economy’s strong enough to handle today’s economic news.
Unfortunately, it’s buried on the less-read business page, along with another article headlined “Stock plunge could threaten Russian economic boom.” Do take time to read/listen to Friedman talking about how we should be dealing with Russia. The podcast of yesterday’s GPS (www.cnn.com/gps) should be up soon.

Our main section carries the reader responses to the weekly survey question. This time it was asking which candidate makes people feel safer. The expected, uncritical responses, including one quaking about how Obama’s a Muslim and his father’s an Arab and he went to an Arab school… I’d love to smack this idiot upside the head and show him a map!

15 09 2008
White Agate

Last time I checked, sunshine is free and we’ve been living with it, indeed all life on earth is based on it, for billions of years. Supplementation costs money, is another product to by, etc. etc. Supplements are not completely metabolized, often, and this can cause problems, too. If you are in the mood to troll, I would say, time to move on.

15 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@intrigued I have read studies up the wazoo and am up-to-date with all the trials. Like I said, I am one of those people who has to take D3 and am monitored by my doctor. In normal healthy people, ample sunlight exposure is enough. However, is that absolutely true that vitamin D deficiencies are very under diagnosed and there are often other reasons for it which have nothing to do with getting enough sunlight exposure. I’d really prefer to not debate this on Mudflats so can we just agree to say that anyone considering this do their own research and talk to their doctor?

Bringing this back to Palin, I think the real question is who paid for the tanning bed. If the state didn’t, I think there are better arguments than this.

15 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Well, just thought I would give everyone a view of what’s going on here in Colorado today….there are LOTS of people going to see Sarah Palin right now. I read that the protestors (probably Women Against Palin) are being yelled at. Of course no photos of these courageous women. All photos of the supporters. Hopefully, someone posts photos and will send the link to Rocky Mountain News asking for fair coverage. Today I am so sad for this country. We are so divided…how are we going to repair this? Well, anyway, here is the link to the Rocky Mountain News…http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/15/candidate-visits-create-a-buzz/

15 09 2008
White Agate

Amused and bewildered: Agreed, next topic.

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
plwalsh

from FiveThirtyEight.com on the Wall Street crisis:

“To the extent there are opportunities, however, you’d think they’d favor Obama. He should have the much easier time of things, because people naturally associate Wall Street with the Republicans, and because he can simply link the troubles to the failures of the status quo under George W. Bush.

McCain, by contrast, is under more pressure to actually propose solutions, which is difficult because there aren’t a lot of good ones here. He certainly needs to improve his messaging over where it was in his morning appearance in Jacksonville today, where he was borderline incoherent on the subject of the financial crisis.”

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
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gonna try to put my name on the list again…it keeps disappearing.

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15 09 2008
margo4it

The only way Palin will be defeated is if she can be proven to be a liar and a fraud. Has anyone looked for or found a birth certificate for Trig?
He’s not on the hospital list for April 18th. I have a copu, but site has been scrubbed. So was he born in a doctor’s office, at home, in another state. surely he left a birth certificate somewhere.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

@ Laurie

well said.

In 1980 as I said yesterday earlier in this thread, I made the mistake of voting for John Anderson. Silly me, I thought we needed someone besides Carter. Since Ronald Reagan scared me in ways only currently surpassed by Sarah-Running-for-Most-Powerful-Mean-Girl-in-the-World, I couldn’t bring myself to vote for the man Joan Bayez called Ronald Ray-gunZap. Well, the vote I cast for Anderson was as good as goin’ fishin’. There are those who argue that the third party vote is valuable because it indicates that we need more than the choices we are offered. I couldn’t agree more… and so don’t vote for someone who has no chance of winning to make a statement. It may not be satisfying to vote for who you perceive as the lesser of two evils, but it is the only way things work in this country. If you don’t want Mean Girl and Gramps, don’t vote for Nader or Barr or write in Mickey Mouse (I have had to count Mikey Mouse votes in my days as Precinct Committeperson in Texas.) Vote for the candidate that comes closest to your values. Vote for the party that will make sure that your rights are protected. This year, for me that is Obama/Biden and the Democratic Party.

15 09 2008
BlueFranco

Update on Palin’s tanning bed from Al Giordano UNBELIEVABLE

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http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield
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*************Note the time stamp at bottom: this was posted to the Alaska governor’s web page on August 29 of this year – the day McCain announced Palin would be his vice presidential pick – more than 15 months after it happened, as part of an eleventh hour attempt to flesh out the governor’s online resume. Interesting.*****************************

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Update: A reader popped this into my mailbox overnight, the text of a May 2007 proclamation by Governor Palin declaring it “Skin Cancer Awareness Month.” The parts relevant to this story are in bold:

Skin Cancer Awareness Month

Skin cancer is the most common cancer in the world and its incidence is increasing at the highest rate of any type of cancer. According to the American Academy of Dermatology, more than 1.3 million new cases are diagnosed in the United States every year. Melanoma-the deadliest form of skin cancer-kills one person every hour in the United States and is the third most commonly diagnosed form of cancer among women ages 25-45 and second most commonly diagnosed form of cancer among men of this age group. Skin cancer is caused, overwhelmingly, by over-exposure to ultraviolet radiation from the sun and from tanning beds. It is largely preventable. In fact, 95percent of skin cancers are preventable if we properly protect ourselves from UV rays. Eighty percent of one’s lifetime sun damage occurs before age 18. It is imperative that we instill sun safety behavior among our children at an early age and thus incorporate sun safety education in our public educational system. The Cancer Crusaders Organization, an award-winning nonprofit skin cancer education facility and the proud home of the National Skin Cancer Awareness Symbol, strongly urges all Americans to become proactively engaged in efforts to protect children and young adults from this common, yet preventable, disease.
The Organization further asks for the enthusiastic and proactive support of our educators, health professionals and leaders to support initiatives and other such efforts to encourage sun-safe practices among our community, and thereby significantly reduce skin cancer incidence and mortality throughout the United States and thus improve the overall quality of life.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, Sarah Palin, Governor of the State of Alaska, do hereby proclaim May 2007, as:
Skin Cancer Awareness Month
in Alaska, and urge all Alaskans to become proactively engaged in efforts to protect our children and young adults from this common, yet preventable disease.
Dated: May 4, 2007
Printed on 8/29/08 at 6:40:28 PM by 69.178.10.29

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

I read somewhere that people who hate cats can’t tolerate individualism. Seems all the dictators hated cats. (She said as she fondly looks at her Maine Coon kitten – 7 months old and topping 12 lb. Now he is a CAT).

15 09 2008
White Agate

Hick Town: Love me some Coonies! Charlotte is one, and Chloe, now deceased. A cat, indeed. They have the best personalities.

15 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Palin talking about the economy on CNN/MSNBC! I have muted her!

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

how in the world can Palin go on tv and talk about reform of the financial market when she and John Mccain support the very bill that help this mess move along…the deregulation of the investment banking industry!!! How dare she talk about this!! How dare you Palin you are a hypocrite!!! And people believe this woman! oh this world has gone crazy!!!

15 09 2008
antsy

I see

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15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
plwalsh

On the topic of Palin’s religious beliefs: I’m really not sure Palin really believes in much of anything besides her own power. She seems to go where she finds the most political advantage. The Christian conservative thing was a good way to get ahead in Wasilla in the 1990s– her church sponsored her mayoral campaign. But for her run at state-wide office, “reform” seemed a good bet, and it was. She’s already dropped the far-right church that helped her earlier.

Beyond that, she just seems to play a pretty vicious, take no prisoners, game. I’m not seeing much here besides pure ambition.

The odd thing is that, as the VP pick, Palin seems to have dropped the charm offensive she used in Alaska to great effect. I’ve been surprised at how nasty and partisan her national image has become. The snarky Sarah works well with the Republican base and social conservatives but not at all well with everyone else. Thus she has tended to push the electorate into warring camps.

I wonder whether she was pushed into this slot by the McCain Campaign and how well it will play out in the next two months. Reagan’s 1980 campaign was all about reassuring his critics he wasn’t a dangerous looney. Palin seems to be telling her critics to move to France without letting the door hit them on the way out.

15 09 2008
From England aka Spoon Archer Palin

I haven’t been able to post for a while as been v. busy but this ad called for a come back in style.
Sorry if this is a repeat post….NEW OBAMA AD! Fantastic whack on the head for Mccain..will surely make your day!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/09/money_talks.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Keep up the great work my friends.

15 09 2008
judi

swine p-“Annie we’re sorry you didn’t live long enough to see this administration hit the sidewalk… RIP Ann Richards”..
I couldn’t agree more..I would like to also remember another great American and Texan, columnist Molly Ivins. Molly succcumbed to a very aggressive form of breast cancer on January 31, 2007. Her columns and books–‘Bushwhacked’ w/Lou Dubose, ‘Bill of Wrongs’ w/Dubose etal.,’Who Let the Dogs In’, ‘Molly Ivins Can’t Say That, Can She?’ and others have been an inspiration for many. —-You would have had a blast this year Molly…You are one of my heros! RIP Molly.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

@lynn b reno… you cut a bunch of us off be sure to get the most recent list folks — this has been going on all thread — lots of people cut off!!!

15 09 2008
From England aka Spoon Archer Palin

@ Let’sGetReal (07:29:39) :

Palin talking about the economy on CNN/MSNBC! I have muted her!

UNMUTE the beast, what’s she saying? Is she making any sense? I don’t see how McPain are going to navigate this turn of events (Wall Street meltdown).

15 09 2008
A Brit abroad aka Flag Cobra

@From England – my feelings exactly. Is she coherent or not? Reading from a teleprompter by any chance…???? Tell…

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
swineprincess

amen @judi

Ann & Molly were the quintessential Texas Good ole Gurrrlll. I miss them like I miss my sense of humor (which has seemed to fly the coop of recent days)

Challenge: come up with new Ann- or Molly-style “isms” for Mean Girl.

WWARS (What would Ann Richards Say)
WWMIS (What would Molly Ivins Say)

heheheheh (sound of an automatic weapon sounding) GO!

15 09 2008
arkangel3

OUCH! Nice campaign ad!

FYI…I was a “Registered Catholic”. I am now a Religious Independent 😀

15 09 2008
swineprincess

obviously I need rest as my grammatical skills are beginning to fade — I’m taking the next 20 minutes off… resting up for Ed Schultz!!!

15 09 2008
fawnskin

one more little sidetrack on sunshine for vitamin d:

my doc prescribed that i go to a tanning bed three times a week to absorb d thru my skin. it is better on the liver…and i have lupus which is very sensitive to liver issues.
upshot of that treatment: many of my daily lupus symptoms were dramatically reduced.
and….i live in souther california. but the sunshine here is contaminated by pollutants. yep. complicated.

15 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

The Anti-choice people are all about punishment and rigidity. That’s why they ginned up the so-called partial birth abortion issue that was nuts.
Years ago I was in Germany where my husband was an exchange professor (now ex). I had been trying to get pg for a couple of years. Nothing happened and just forgot about it. Well low and behold I found myself pregnant after a solid month of a bladder infection (bad neue wein) followed by the flu. To top it off the due date was exactly when we were scheduled to return to the states. That meant leaving several months early. Our apartment was in use by our exchange partner, my stuff was in storage, and my mother lived here in PA. My OB thought that I would probably miscarry. I was working. It was all impossible. Abortion was illegal in Germany and at the time the terrific French women were making their statements before Parlement before it became legal there. So I went to Holland. I can’t call having an abortion a wonderful experience but compared to what it was like when I accompanied a friend years later in DC, it was paradise. In the intake interview, my decision was never questioned. However, they were concerned that I understood what behavior brought me to the decision so that I didn’t have to experience it again. Viva the Dutch!

I have never regretted the decision. The reasons and the needs are so varied, how can choice not be the answer. I would NOT put any faith in the Supremes not putting it back to the states. The wack jobs on the right seem to hate women. Fighting the culture wars for 100 years is nuts. I wish those people could put their energy in the health and conditions of living children.

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
mvngfwd

Listening to Palin on MSNBC…what a whack job! We are on the precipice of financial collapse and she gives two lines on the failure? “OH, we are gonna reform the whole system” (cliffnotes version). Then she goes on for 10 minutes about the “first Dude” (yuck!), his accomplishments (who is on the ballot?) and then onto the same BS…Bridge to Nowhere, blah, blah, blah. Oh , and she can relate because they are smalll business owners. Where is the real talk about the ISSUES facing our nation right now? Someone needs to return Caribou Barbie to the store she came from because her “talk track” is broken!

@Tata, antsy and all FL readers- I want to join Florida Women for Obama and have our own rally. Where and when? I am going to go to the local Obama office today but would love to do something with my fellow mudpals too. Let me know.

15 09 2008
fawnskin

yes, but, swineprincess….you an i have not been cutoff for at least five of the last postings of the list. we have arrived!!!!

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

show me your budget and I see what you value

—Senator Joe Biden

what do you value Mccain/Palin?

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
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yayyy!!! fawnskin & swineprincess — I don’t know about you but I got cut off three or four times yesterday and just gave up!!!

15 09 2008
White Agate

This is great, a comment from another article, I’ve seen different forms of it before:

I’m a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight…..

If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you’re “exotic, different.”

Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers: a quintessential American story.

If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow, Trig, and Track: you’re a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating: you’re well grounded.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl (sports caster), 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with fewer than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you’re very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America’s.

If your husband is nicknamed “First Dude”, with at least one DUI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
DeMo

FromEngland said:
NEW OBAMA AD! Fantastic whack on the head for Mccain..will surely make your day!

Here’s a direct link to the ad:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/honor_ad/

*****************************************************************************

REALLY concerned about the NY Post article. It has “legs,” as they say. Spreading over the net. The campaign has to answer quickly.

15 09 2008
mvngfwd

Now watching Biden…wow! He is directly talking about the issues, McBush….

MSNBC- “They couldn’t be more different in styles!” Ack! “She’s owned a hardware store so she will know what it is like out there”. No offense to my nice hardward store owner but I really don’t think he can handle the economic crisis we are in. This just motivates me more…time to get out there and educate the masses.

15 09 2008
fawnskin

we need a method on this blog wherein we can send private emails to each other for purposes of getting together in our respective locales.
i know that on one site that i regularly visit, such a system is setup.
one posts to the members profile and the email is forwarded thru the system.
either party has the option not to follow thru.

i know that some of you want to get together (as do i) for community activities and support for what is to come.

ak….can you help us out?

15 09 2008
mvngfwd

Re: NYPost…remember that Murdoch owns it and he endorses McCain. I bet they loose some NYC readers for the swing right.

Side note- I wrote a very strong email to CNN regarding the Lou Dobbs/waffle scandal. Maybe it’s time for Lou to lose some of his air time like KO did. Lou seemed to be a loud sponsor of that. Send your emails today.

15 09 2008
mvngfwd

“lose” sorry!

15 09 2008
JoeAlvord

A year or two ago four youths were arrested for vandalizing busses in the school bus parking area. Brake lines were cut on most (over75%) of the busses causing school in the whole district to be closed until repairs could be made. I do not know for a fact that Track Palin was one of them (he was a minor and those records are not available.) But it coincides with his enlistment pretty well and there are suspicions.

15 09 2008
JoeAlvord

Sarah was touted as a small business owner on TV. Her business was closed down because she never paid the business license fees.

15 09 2008
eajphd

BlueFranco (07:23:53)

Dang!

When I read your post ==================================
*************Note the time stamp at bottom: this was posted to the Alaska governor’s web page on August 29 of this year –

My first thought was the purchase was part of a conspiracy – that she got the tanning bed for McCain to use when she invites him over becausel a recurrence of melanoma would increase her chance of being president.

Then I saw it was a late posting of a cancer warning…oh, well.

15 09 2008
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15 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Ran across something everyone should check out. This happened at a McCain town meeting hall here in Denver. I think I am going to need about 100 vomit bags to get me through this election.

http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_political/

15 09 2008
plwalsh

Might be a good idea to have regional strings on here to act as local message boards. Then a news string or a topic string.

15 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Me and my copying skills are lacking today:

this is the link http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_political/764367.html

15 09 2008
chloe - Skein Chug Palin

Like her or not . .Rosie O’donnell has a good essay on her blog today:

I am having Sarah Palin nightmares. I dreamt last night that she was a member of a club where they rode snowmobiles and wore the claws of drowned and starved polar bears around their necks. I have a particular thing for Polar Bears. Maybe it’s their snowy whiteness or their bigness or the fact that they live in the arctic or that I have never seen one in person or touched one. Maybe it is the fact that they live so comfortably on ice. Whatever it is, I need the polar bears . . .More Here:

http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/in-the-news/

15 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Washington Post national political reporter Shailagh Murray did the political discussion at WAPO this morning. Lots of interesting questions and answers. Among them — apparently McCain’s meeting this morning was poorly attended.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/09/12/DI2008091202636.html

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

JoeAlvord (08:06:14) :

I heard that before was it really closed down because she did not pay the license fees or she chose to close it. I only ask again because I heard so many different things on it. If so, someone should get that out and quick with the proof she we can spread it.

15 09 2008
arkangel3

For NYC residents, the only reason the Post is purchased is because they have an excellent Sports Section (they *really* do!)

15 09 2008
DeMo

Intrigued originally posted the NY Post piece. Here it is:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

(I hate when others reference something without providing a link, and I did that. Sorry.)

mvngfwd (08:00:04) :

Re: NYPost…remember that Murdoch owns it and he endorses McCain. I bet they loose some NYC readers for the swing right.

True, but other dailies are running with it. Obama has to put out this fire quickly. It’s already all over the net. NY Post might lose some readers, but Obama might lose some votes, and that’s far more important to me.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

This is the first election in the years that I have been a registered voter (1972) that I have had the opportunity to talk with people from other parts of the country and their feelings, fears, concerns, and happiness with this country, and the candidates. We always had the People mediated through the lense of the MSM. For the first time (for me anyway) this is totally different. This is not your Founding Father’s idea of Elections. They could not have imagined this level of communication. Not only do we have to take this election, we have to wrest the power away from the Electoral College before the next election so that it can never be stolen again — or at least They will have to think of a new way to steal it.

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JudiB

Here is another scare thought for the day. I heard on the Bill Press Show this morning (Air America XM 167) how dangerous the Melanoma is that John Mc Cain has. He has a 1 in 3 chance of deadly reoccurrence. That would not only mean a President Sarah Palin, but would that also open the door to a Vice President Todd Palin?

15 09 2008
DeMo

chloe – Skein Chug Palin (08:20:16) :

“Like her or not . .Rosie O’donnell has a good essay on her blog today”

It’s a great essay, but it’s reprinted from Eve Ensler. Just wanted to clarify that. (I happen to like Rosie.)

I have *never* been so inspired by a candidate. I’ve voted in every election (big deal), and usually vote against someone rather than for someone. So this is a very exciting time.

I signed on with the Obama campaign and made my first calls today to swing state voters. But I can’t continue calling (waiting for a new list anyway) until I get an answer on the NY Post article. I can’t have a caller ask me about it and not have an answer. It really concerns me.

It’s not that I trust the NY Post and I can see where the cited officials might have a reason to say what they did a.k.a lie, but I need to hear from the campaign that Obama did not and would not request what is alleged in the article.

15 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

OK, Gang,
If y’all will just hold off on adding names to the list for a few minutes… I’m going to try to come up with one consolidated list. I suspect what’s happening is that multiple people are adding at the same time, so newer names don’t show up on one list or the other.

Then, when I’ve done that, I’ll take the list and break it down regionally. I think the idea of regional threads is great. I’ve been pondering the option of creating a Yahoo group or regional groups for us so we can network with regional ideas/contacts. What do y’all think of that idea?

15 09 2008
fixthebroken

JudiB, that is *very* scary. Because at that point, Palin would get to choose who her VP is:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/if_a_vice_president_assumes_the_presidency.html

Wow! If that doesn’t scare you to vote for Obama, what will?

15 09 2008
The Siberian Candidate

Margo4it,

Here is Cathy Baldwin-Johnson’s practice:

http://www.providence.org/Alaska/matsu/matsu_physicians.htm

Dr. Harrison delivered a baby at 1pm that day (Trig was born at 6:30am) in that hospital.

15 09 2008
molly

Kris Janson from MSN made the comment that people watching Joe Biden
will not be able to relate to him because he is wearing a suit with french cuffs?AND that Biden should take off his jacket to relate to the people…Come on Get real! Is our nation that stupid? Wake up and look at the issues PEOPLE !!Perhaps he needs to wear a strap-on pot belly to relate to redneck voters? She also mentioned tha people relate to Sarah Palin because she refers to her husband (Todd Palin) as “First Dude”?? First Rube more accurate…

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Fired Official: Governor Did Not Tell the Truth to ABC
Walt Monegan Says He Was Called to Gov.’s Office Over a “Private Family Matter”

“She’s not telling the truth when she told ABC neither she nor her husband pressured me to fire Trooper Wooten,” said Walt Monegan, the Alaskan official whose dismissal by Sarah Palin is the focus of a state investigation known as “Troopergate”. “And she’s not telling the truth to the media about her reasons for firing me.”

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5804703&page=1

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Biden has always worn french cuff shirts that’s what he is known for in the Senate. It’s just his style!!! Media go find something else to get on Mr. Biden about!!

15 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

There is an interesting article in WAPO about political information and how to change it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091402375.html

Essentially, they say it is difficult to change people’s view and in particular those of conservatives because they are so rigid. I am wondering if the better approach maybe to change the subject. Instead of culture war topics like abortion, stick to economics.

15 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

I meant political misinformation.

15 09 2008
proud2busa

@swineprincess: “This is the first election in the years that I have been a registered voter (1972) that I have had the opportunity to talk with people from other parts of the country and their feelings, fears, concerns, and happiness with this country, and the candidates.”

YOU GO!!!! This is very moving and with folks like you – YES WE CAN! YOU GO, GRRL.

15 09 2008
fixthebroken

Folks, you MUST see this video from Senator Sheldon Whitehouse from Rhode Island. If this doesn’t put the whole economic part of the election into a nicely packaged nutshell, I don’t know what will. Republicans can’t even answer “yes” to his question. I LOVED the silence when he asked the question.

I blogged about it (click on my name above), with the video embedded, or you can go straight to the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnJAIeEgjSM

15 09 2008
proud2busa

@MOLLY: “Kris Janson from MSN made the comment that people watching Joe Bidenwill not be able to relate to him because he is wearing a suit with french cuffs?”

Are they referring to Biden’s meeting in Charlotte? Charlotte is a BANKING community – we wear suits all the time down here. He would have been very appropriate in attire if they are talking about his campaigning here last evening.

15 09 2008
mvngfwd

Why does SP and MC keep talking about “First Dude” like he matters? It is starting to scare me and make me think hard about previous posts regarding “control”. Why does his participation in some snowmachine race matter? Especially, to a crowd in Jacksonville, Florida! Why should we care?

Oh, now McCopy just said “Enough is Enough”…does he have any integrity left?

15 09 2008
mvngfwd

Sorry, he’s in Orlando. Only tight shots of him….crowd to small perhaps?

15 09 2008
chloe - Skein Chug Palin

DeMo (08:28:14) :

“It’s a great essay, but it’s reprinted from Eve Ensler. Just wanted to clarify that.”

Thanks for the clarification . . .I should have known that from the title (and the fact that it wasn’t written in a cryptic haiku).

15 09 2008
proud2busa

The First Dude is beginning to scare me, too. I watched the Palin “life story” last night on CNN, and it is like he is at her side all the time. Someone had mentioned on one of the boards that her religion would make him the Head and she had to refer all decisions to and through him? Would that also include any political roles? YIKES. Talk about a conspiracy!!!!!

15 09 2008
Charcoal Sniper P.

“Cynthia, TX (07:49:11) :

show me your budget and I see what you value

—Senator Joe Biden

what do you value Mccain/Palin?”

My friends are actually blogging (they just started) about this at http://fubarpolitics.blogspot.com/
They have taken apart Palin’s budget Vetoes looking at societal value and the idea that she is fiscally conservative.

me-Vermont, 29 years old

15 09 2008
BlueFranco

I am listening and it is great…you Alaskans are a rowdy bunch..I love it

15 09 2008
AnneinWA

H E L P!

I am adding my name to THIS list, but there is more than one list, correct? On one I see other folks from Washington, but on this one there are none.

I took yesterday off to go out and talk to people about Obama with great results. Our traditionally blue state seems to be turning purple – can’t let that happen!

However, I got sooo behind…read, refresh, read! Now that I have had my coffee, tried to read all the posts (from where I left off yesterday afternoon), laughed, CRIED, DISCOVERED I AM NOT THE ONLY AGING HIPPIE HERE – YES!, found some think Ed Schultz is a vile shock jock (I suggest you watch or read the transcripts from last Friday’s Bill Moyers Journal if you want a few comparisons – pbs.org), see the abortion conversation continues…phew! Could someone clarify the LIST(S), please?

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz
Judi-Georgia
Deb -Colorado
Arn (cartoon pig dog) – PA
Makeitgoaway-AZ
phnxrising-AZ
JoAnn in NC
Arkangel3 in NJ
Divatalk in MD
JoAnn in NC
pamela in Western NY
Ana Gama in rural southwest Michigan
MissSue – Michigan
ocliberal – socal
mvngfwd- FL
BlueSkyMama-New Mexico
SandyW – Kentucky
Lani aka Bash Budweiser – Hawaii
Enjay in MT
Mil from IL
Augie – Arkansas
Chris on ESMD
Catherine – Michigan
White Agate-SE Minnesota
John Henry – MA
MJC – Georgia
sweetebony- So Cali
Tonya – Oklahoma
SwinePrincess – Kansas
Susan in Atl – Georgia
fawnskin – southern california
galwhohashadenough AKA slap spear palin–Colorado
amy – Oklahoma
Lynne B – Reno NV
Let’sGetReal – Rowlett TX
AnneinWA – Western Washington

15 09 2008
chloe - Skein Chug Palin

French cuff shirts? Is that all they’ve got?

Hell, I wear french cuffs because I inherited cufflinks from my
Father and Grandfather. It reminds me of my heritage when I wear them. . .and I might add, they’re quite dapper.

15 09 2008
Harley
15 09 2008
Harley

Gov. Palin’s ABC interview raised concerns over her experience and knowledge.

It is her policy that should worry us most. The combination of McCain’s recklessness, Palin’s proclivities and neoconservative belligerence could plunge a McCain presidency into an early confrontation with nuclear-armed Russia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-cirincione/palin-mccain-and-war-with_b_126480.html

15 09 2008
Susan

I saw McCain talking this morning about the Wall Street meltdown and he actually said he’s going to “clean up Wall Street” too!!! Let’s see… he’s going to clean up Washington, clean up Wall Street, and find bin Laden. Even though he’s already been in Washington for lo, these many years. But now he’s really gonna do it!

15 09 2008
mvngfwd

In the video with Senator Whitehouse, did you notice the smirks and sheepish grins on their faces? I mean what do they care, they get Federal health care for the rest of their lives and a pension too. And guess who pays for that privilege? The American tax payer! I think the joke is on us if we do not stop this train wreck. Just had a thought…Obama went on Bill’O, shouldn’t McCopy sit for a chat with KO? I mean if he is telling the truth and has real policies in mind what would the harm be? Where’s that “Mavrick” attitude now?

15 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Apparently there was practically no one at McCain’s rally. He needs Palin to draw the crowd. Anyone remember Tennessee Wiiliams “Suddenly Last Summer”?

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

you can’t clean up wall street when you are in bed with wall street Mccain….go tell Phil Gramm about how he helped to bring down wall street with his Gramm-Leach-Blitley Act. The following is a brief description of the bill.

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In 1999, former Senator Phil Gramm (who is, incidentally, Senator John McCain’s economic adviser and cochairs his presidential campaign) set out to completely gut the Glass-Steagall Act, and did so successfully, replacing most of its components with the new Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act: allowing commercial banks, investment banks, and insurers to merge (which would have violated antitrust laws under Glass-Steagall). Sen. Gramm was the driving force behind the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, as he had received over $4.6 million from the FIRE sector (Finance, Insurance and Real Estate donations) over the previous decade, and once the Act passed, an influx of “megamergers” took place among banks and insurance and securities companies, as if they had been eagerly awaiting the passage of Gramm’s Act. Everything in between Glass-Steagall and Gramm-Leach-Bliley (i.e. Savings and Loan crisis/bust) was, in large part, the incubation period for what would take place over the nine years that would follow the passage of Gramm’s Act: an experiment in deregulation.

15 09 2008
DeMo

chloe – Skein Chug Palin (08:45:24) :

DeMo (08:28:14) :

“It’s a great essay, but it’s reprinted from Eve Ensler. Just wanted to clarify that.”

“Thanks for the clarification . . .I should have known that from the title (and the fact that it wasn’t written in a cryptic haiku).”

Yeah, that was my first hint too. LOL. That’s why I double checked. Rosie doesn’t write in complete sentences. At first, I though maybe the issue was important enough to her that she decided to write more coherently, but there were also pics of Eve on the page, and that’s when it came together.

15 09 2008
Harley

Sorry guys, I LOVE Joe Biden. I think he is leaps and bounds above Sarah Palin
I wanted him for President had Obama not run. But I agree with the following article.
We MUST STOP these two liars and crooks
( because that is what they have become to me )
at any cost.
If that cost means removing Joe and replacing Hillary, then so freakin be it.
The fate our nation, the fate of the world depends upon it.
War with Russia is not a possibility if these two are elected, it is an inevitability.
Its time to get down to brass tacks and call a duck a duck,
Obama/Clinton will WIPE THE FLOOR with McCain /Palin.
I say do it Barack, Roll the dice. Out-McCain McCain.

15 09 2008
15 09 2008
chloe - Skein Chug Palin

AnneinWA (08:53:31) :

“On one I see other folks from Washington, but on this one there are none.”

I’m waiting for the list to be revised. I think a lot of people got lost in copy/paste mode because this comment board moves so quickly. In Washington State (north of Seattle).

“I took yesterday off to go out and talk to people about Obama with great results. Our traditionally blue state seems to be turning purple – can’t let that happen!”

No, we can’t let that happen. . especially with the sleazy GOP tactics being pulled in the race for Governor.

And to be more off topic: Palin is comig to Seattle. . .any Anti-palin rally announced?

15 09 2008
SMR

DeMo: Regarding your questions about the NY Post article, there is certainly ample reason to question it as a credible & unbiased article. I suggest that you go to the obama official site and pull up his policy info re: Iraq and use that for your talking points, sticking to that info as it is an Obama/Biden official document, and not opinion or hearsay. Must get on the phones & sidewalks to counter hateful lies & propaganda spread by the Repubs. Hey, if Karl Rove says McCain is not above lying then who can expect any of his supporters’ newspapers to be so?

15 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commander Palin

Conservative writer Andrew Sullivan thinks Palin’s fundamentalist strain is so far out there that he refuses to call it “Christian.” He calls it “Christianist.”

The tide has turned, folks. Palin is now old news. The economy will trump all of neo-Rovian maneuver (I say “neo-Rovian,” as his acolytes are her handlers). And one thing we can count on from McCain and Palin: they know NOTHING about the economy.

Another thing: when times are this bad, do we really want two people with only B.A. or B.S. level intelligence to spearhead a recovery? Obama and Biden have two degrees each and their wives have even more. The “First Dude” doesn’t even have a B.A.

15 09 2008
swineprincess

Judi B: yep saw a thing this am, the kind of melanoma he has has an extremely high death rate after 10 years, he’s been alive 8 since he had the melanoma removed. Oh and (said it before) the average age of widowhood is 54. Cindy is 54. I don’t wish widowhood at 54 on anyone. My Mom became a widow at 54. I’m just sayin’…..

Palmdale: Brilliant!!!!

15 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commander Palin

Sorry, Harley, that article is terrible. Love ya but it would make Obama look really bad. We are the stable ticket, remember? We don’t need gamblers. We have had gamblers for 8 years.

15 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commander Palin

Harley,
I sense that you are worried today? The polls are going to bounce back for Obama. Watch! They will!

15 09 2008
Ky

Harley:

http://nobloodforhubris.blogspot.com/2008/09/roveian-push-poll-targets-fl-voter-to.html

Rovian Push Polling In Florida Links Obama To PLO

*****************
This is a CLASSIC tactic used by politicians! They set up a “survey” and then use *facts* to try and sway voters, within the survey. I worked for a phone survey company for about a month, and had to do several of these. It was horrible.

At the beginning of the survey, you would ask the voter who they were voting for. Then there would be several questions like:
“Candidate A voted for benefits for veterans and their families. Candidate B likes to kick them in the face!* Based on this info, who do you support?”

*Okay, obviously I am exaggerating on this one, but it was soooo obvious to me who paid for the survey, and it saddened me that voters couldn’t figure it out for themselves.

After several of these *questions*, the person was then asked who they were voting for, again. A lot of times, they had switched over to the other candidate.

15 09 2008
Harley

Well, if we continue throwing money into the pot without holding the hand that contains a Royal Flush…….being stable might make us feel better, but it is not going to win the game.

15 09 2008
SMR

Forgot to say, it sort of pertains to a comment here — received a great email re: someone’s experience in their phonebanking for Obama. It was about the Palin issue, winning voters over to Obama. This fella said that there are many people out there sympathetic to Palin (for whatever crazy reason, let’s not even TRY to comprehend that), and that arguing against her will get us nowhere, that he won over these undecided voters by talking economics. It’s all about the economy folks! This is a great site, and it’s important primarily as a tool to get info out about AK politics, and that happens to be all about Sarah right now, but don’t forget it did not start as something about Sarah. Now we are a group of like-minded readers/commenters, and this is a great community, and we must keep the faith & focus on helping Obama in any & all ways.

So, in summation, when phoning, focus on the Economy! There is plenty of info for this in his Blueprint for Change which can be found on his site, with further explanations offered when going to cited links. Same can be said for Iraq, and of course this is a huge topic as well, so do your homework and steer the conversation back to his stated plans.

15 09 2008
Harley

I am actually crying this morning, my children live in America.
My son is in the USAF.
This woman will ruin their lives.
This ticket must be stopped at any cost.

15 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commander Palin

Harley,
Poker metaphors aside, the right would use that switch AGAINST Obama. They would say it shows he doesn’t know what he’s doing. McCain didn’t SWITCH out; he never had anyone else but Palin on his ticket.

McCain is desperate. Obama is not. I’m sorry you are feeling desperate today (if you are…not trying to presume you are…)

15 09 2008
Ky

Harley:
http://nobloodforhubris.blogspot.com/2008/09/roveian-push-poll-targets-fl-voter-to.html
Rovian Push Polling In Florida Links Obama To PLO
*****************
This is a CLASSIC tactic used by politicians! They set up a “survey” and then use *facts* to try and sway voters, within the survey. I worked for a phone survey company for about a month, and had to do several of these. It was horrible.

At the beginning of the survey, you would ask the voter who they were voting for. Then there would be several questions like:
“Candidate A voted for benefits for veterans and their families. Candidate B likes to kick them in the face!* Based on this info, who do you support?”

*Okay, obviously I am exaggerating on this one, but it was soooo obvious to me who paid for the survey, and it saddened me that voters couldn’t figure it out for themselves.

After several of these *questions*, the person was then asked who they were voting for, again. A lot of times, they had switched over to the other candidate.

15 09 2008
Harley

Its NOT the economy any more, its not even the issues anymore,
its the deceptive tactics and outright lies.
I will go even one step further and say what most just will not say outloud.
It is the fact that there is a black man who could be president that is terrifying the white people of who are just plain stupid, racist and Evangelical.

15 09 2008
Ky

Testing….

15 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

I’m hoping this won’t end up a repeat — if so, there’ll be multiple lists again. Last time I tried, I got the “white screen of death” with I hit “submit.”

Here’s the consolidated list — alphabetized. If you want “on” and you’re not here, go ahead.

PALIN — THANKS BUT NO THANKS!!!
amy – Oklahoma
Ana Gama in rural southwest Michigan
AnneinWA
antsy = south Floriduh
Arkangel3 in NJ
Arn (cartoon pig dog) – PA
Augie – Arkansas
Australian puck male
BlueSkyMama-New Mexico
California Cowboy
Catherine – Michigan
Chris on ESMD
Corie in CA
Cynthia TX
David E NY
Deb -Colorado
Debbie in WA
Dee PA
Dem VA
Divatalk in MD
Enjay in MT
Ennealogic – WV
fawnskin – southern california
Fred Calif
galwhohashadenough AKA slap spear palin–Colorado
GJ Idaho
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
JoAnn in NC
John Henry – MA
Judi-Georgia
Lani aka Bash Budweiser – Hawaii
Laurie canadian
Let’sGetReal – Rowlett TX
Linda Virginia
Lynne B – Reno NV
Makeitgoaway-AZ
Marcella Chicago
Marty – Oregon
Mary in TN
Mary Nagle Chicago
Mil from IL
MissSue – Michigan
MJC – Georgia
mvngfwd- FL
Nancy Indiana
Ny Dem
ocliberal – socal
Palmdale
pamela in Western NY
phnxrising-AZ
raingods – Phoenix, AZ
ratty pilgrim-Nor Cal
Rebecca Chicago
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Sad in red state Texas
Sally AZ
SandyW – Kentucky
Sara Mississippi
solsticeatese Nertherlands
sparky – Sacramento, CA
SparkySacramento-Sacramento CA
Susan in Atl – Georgia
Susie Jersey
sweetebony- So Cali
SwinePrincess – Kansas
Tonya – Oklahoma
Tracy NC
Uk lady
Whichferret Kansas
White Agate-SE Minnesota
Wisconsin Shopgirl
Wisconsin women
Zim in Oz

15 09 2008
The Siberian Candidate
15 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commander Palin

Harley,
That’s what the GOP wants you to feel. I would recommend something to anyone on here who is feeling desperate.
1) Do something that makes you feel good–a walk, yoga, laugh, etc.
2) Phone bank or volunteer.
3) Watch the old movie “The Best Man.”

There are more compassionate, non-racist people in this country than not. When times are bad, we elect people who represent “the best” in us. When times are good, we elect people we want to have a beer with. Trust me, even racists know that times are bad.

15 09 2008
eajphd

The New York Post article is actually an Op Ed piece by Amir Taheri. According to sourcewatch, he is a “prominent neo-conservative” and already know as a source of fake news reports. They describe him being a Bush administration “Iraq expert.” who advocates “regime change in Iran”

Seed http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Amir_Taheri

15 09 2008
AnneinWA

chloe – Skein Chug Palin (09:05:47) :

Thanks for your response regarding “the list”. I am about 50 miles south of Seattle, on the road to Mt. Rainier.

I heard that Palin will be in WA on Sept. 24th and have been looking for any evidence that an anti-McCain rally is in the works (can’t bring myself to say anti-Palin, because I don’t want to turn this into an Obama – Palin match-up).

Out talking to folks yesterday, I found many busy, “minimally informed” voters stunned by Palin. Some say they love her – she’s like a “breath of fresh air” one stated. I repeated this to another, who I quickly understood to be an Obama supporter – her response was, “If people need a “breath of fresh air”, let them stick their heads outside for a few minutes, then come back in and take a look at the state of our country!”

One vote at a time!

15 09 2008
Harley

I am not feeling desperate, ( I am also thank you for tryngt to make me feel ” better ” thought ).

I am actually feeling empowered and ready to face the truth.

The truth is, I do not care what we have to do to win, much like Mccain.

Whatever we have to do to win, I am all for it.

Win at any cost. That is my message to Obama.

At any cost.

15 09 2008
AnneinWA

@ Palmdale, CA (09:16:48) :

I’m hoping this won’t end up a repeat — if so, there’ll be multiple lists again. Last time I tried, I got the “white screen of death” with I hit “submit.”

Here’s the consolidated list — alphabetized. If you want “on” and you’re not here, go ahead.

THANK YOU!

15 09 2008
Harley

Please excuse my typing.

I also need a new computer desk.

This one is really getting old and sometimes shakes
when I type LOL ( nevermind that I type lousy to begin with )

Thinks I will go buy one today.

Except, then I will no longer have an excuse when I type badly LOL

15 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commander Palin

Well, Harley, that is where you and I will agree to disagree.

I do not want a candidate to win at any cost. I want someone with integrity.

Obama has that; he also knows what he’s doing and who he’s running against. (And by the way, he knows he isn’t just running against McCain. He’s running against the whole neocon and theocon smear machine. And he has planned to do so. He knows there are more of us and less of them. )

15 09 2008
mvngfwd

I have to say this thought out loud…

To those who will not vote for Obama because of the color of his skin I would ask “If Sean Combs (aka P.Diddy Combs) offered you a job in his company, with health care benefits for your whole family and a good salary equal to your qualifications regardless of your gender, would you say no because of his skin color?”. You can interchange the “P. Diddy” with any successful business person of race. They might not be honest with the response publicly but hopefully it will make them think a little at home.

15 09 2008
Pat

WIll someone get the word out, phone Ed SChultz or something…………..
mccain just STOLE, “ENOUGH” from the Obama campaign, brandishing it at wallstreet.
They stole “CHANGE” couple of weeks ago!
Joe Biden’s run for president in ( 84? 88?) was terminated when he was accused of plagerizing a quote from a Brit without attribution. The fact that he had used it many times before always giving credit to it’s author, didn’t cut any ice he was OUT
mccain sounded GOOD while saying it.
The ignorant, like the one who evacuated Galveston leaving her lab pups IN A CAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR…………and being shocked and saddened to return home to find them drowned,. will fall for mccains lies hook line & sinker. SHe should be forbiddento vote!
Sorry I have no patience today………
It would be interesting to see a study of IQ as it relates to family size.I think we are breeding stoopid way too fast!
palin’s abstinance program would make it worse!

15 09 2008
arkangel3

Right now, it is all about the economy. Lehman’s belly up, Merrill is with B of A and AIG is in it’s dying gasps. A LOT of people lost their jobs today, folks…a lot. If you think they’ll forget that on November 4th, than I have a bride to nowhere to sell ya.

All of this will also come down to the debates, where Obama EXCELS. McCain has only had to debate a few times while Obama did well over 20. People will see the cool, reserved, and logical Obama as opposed to the senile fumbling McCain. Mark my words on this, folks. The polls mean dog doo right now until that first debate.

15 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commander Palin

You know, Marty Kaplan, posting on Huffington Post, wrote a column last week about his shrink getting tons of urgent phone calls after Palin’s inclusion on the ticket. It’s something to consider: what is it about McCain/Palin that can affect our own psyches so deeply? Perhaps induce a temporary “madness” or “depression?”

Archetypally, there is something there to be explored, for sure!

15 09 2008
Harley

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/fired-commissioner-palin_n_126484.html

Fired Commissioner: Palin Lied To ABC

“She’s not telling the truth when she told ABC neither she nor her husband pressured me to fire Trooper Wooten,” said Walt Monegan, the Alaskan official whose dismissal by Sarah Palin is the focus of a state investigation known as “Troopergate”. “And she’s not telling the truth to the media about her reasons for firing me.”

In an exclusive interview with ABC News.com, former Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan said he resisted pressure by the First Couple to re-open an old case against a state trooper, who was in a hotly contested divorce and custody battle with the Governor’s sister Molly.

Alaskan lawmakers are investigating whether Palin and her husband used the power of the Governor’s office to conduct a personal vendetta against their former brother-in-law, whose behavior during the 2005 divorce was described by the Palin family as ” threatening.

READ FULL STORY FROM LINK ABOVE

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Sorry guys if anyone took my thought and believes I have given up.
I have not, it is just a thought.
If winning means getting out the truth without changing the ticket.
I will do everything in my power to do that as well.
Win at any cost is all I mean.

15 09 2008
Charcoal Sniper P.

I don’t know why my last post didn’t post.

Me- Vermont (you do not have to register with a party here, and we have a three party system, included with the usual 2, progressive) I am 29 (and a woman, despite my “Palin” name)

My friends just started (a few weeks ago) a blog on Palin’s vetoes and budget http://fubarpolitics.blogspot.com/
(this is in response to a question I saw posted on here except I now can’t find it and my last post didn’t post)

I have been reading blog for a few weeks now and have directed my entire family (and friends) to it.

A note about the polls: I do not think the polls are accurate because many (most?) people under 35 do not have home phones, and are not being called on their cell phones. Between my fiancee and myself we have no home phone 2 cell phones. We have 8 brothers between us, 2 of whom are over 40 have home phones (and are more likely to vote republican), 6 are under 40 and have only cell phones (4 of which we know will vote Obama/Biden, 2 I’m not sure of their political views but I would guess they lean left). I have only one friend under 40 with a home phone (no one has polled her, for some reason she isn’t a likely voter?).

15 09 2008
amyOk

@palmdale,CA
THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

15 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ AnnieinWA-this sight would be useful to you in finding out if there will be any organized protests: http://womenagainstpalin.com/blog2/. We had one here in Colorado today but I just couldn’t change my schedule for this week. I know if she comes through here again..I will be there. I will do anything to make my voice heard at this time.

@ Harely–girl I am so with you today about the foreboding this election has brought. I am sick to my stomach, fighting back tears, almost ready to drive to Obama’s campaign headquarters just to quell the feeling in my gut. My beloved country is being torn to pieces and I feel so helpless right now. I just keep coming back to Mudflats…it’s the only thing that even helps me to keep from drowning. My rose shade glasses have been shattered to pieces in these 2 weeks. I wish that I could just be ignorant to every thing I have learned. I know too much now. I have to make my one voice be heard. All our voices (God I hope) must count for something. I just have to remember Patience. Steel. Enough (but now John McCain has started using the term..makes me want to throw up). DONATE VOTE VOLUNTEER it’s what keeps me sane.

Gal AKA slap spear palin

15 09 2008
Harley

“I have only one friend under 40 with a home phone (no one has polled her, for some reason she isn’t a likely voter?).”

Is she white?

Seems to me they are targeting Jewish faith based voters
lately.
They are ” pushing ” them with bogus questions.

Harley is tired of trying to be politically correct anymore, I am calling
it what is, racist. They want to talk some truths?
I will call it as I see it and slam the truth right back into their face.

15 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

New Blog post up now

15 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

I’m going to repost the list on the new thread…

15 09 2008
AnneinWA

@Harley (09:13:09) :
I am actually crying this morning, my children live in America.
My son is in the USAF.
This woman will ruin their lives.
This ticket must be stopped at any cost.

Harley,

I have a son who’s a pilot in the Army and I’ve shed many tears over the last 8 years for him and his fellow soldiers, my daughter-in-law, grandchildren who have (are) growing up without their dad – as well as all the other family members left waiting, but also, my tears were for this great nation. A nation that deserves so much better.

So, I am suckin’ it up and hittin’ the pavement for Obama/Biden. This woman (SP) isn’t going to have the chance to ruin the lives of my kids, you, or the United States of America!

Let’s organize our communities!

Together, we can do this! YES WE CAN! – WE MUST!

15 09 2008
Charcoal Sniper P.

@ Harley (09:34:38) :
“Is she white?

Seems to me they are targeting Jewish faith based voters
lately.
They are ” pushing ” them with bogus questions.”

She is 30 white and has 3 children but is not married (and is not jewish, or of any other religion)

15 09 2008
DeMo

Harely said:
Rovian Push Polling In Florida Links Obama To PLO
*************************************************************************
“Key West resident Joelna Marcus received a phone call today. She was asked if she is Jewish, and she replied in the affirmative.

She was asked if she was religious.

She was then asked if her opinion of Barack Obama would change if she knew that Obama had given lots and lots of money to the PLO.”

That really ticks me off. I’m Jewish. Nothing pushes a button like a tie to the Palestinians. We’re talking about older people in FL whose beliefs are more deeply ingrained. As soon as they hear something like that, they could walk away from Obama without ever looking back.

Fortunately, the person who received the call got in touch with the Obama campaign.

Despicable. And, notice that it doesn’t say Obama gave money, only asks if the voter’s opinion would change if they learned he gave money. Crafty.

15 09 2008
AKA Blaster Commander Palin

One final thought, and this if from an advertising perspective. If you accept “brands,” and “branding” as one of the major communication tools of the twenty-first century, you can see what’s going on in the two campaigns. One has a brand (Obama) and the other is just floundering. McCain-Palin have no brand. All they have, to quote Peggy Noonan, is “narrative,” the strange story of a POW and a “hockey mom,” who don’t even know each other–an arranged marriage–a fake marriage. And as Matt Damon pointed out, the “hockey mom” part of the story is like a bad Disney movie. Their brand is so empty that they are using more of their ad money on “lying,” than getting out their “great story.”

The Obama-Biden brand is much more resonate: it is “change,” it is “integrity,” and they actually attend to their brand. I don’t think you can win an election without a brand in the twenty-first century.

15 09 2008
Rebecca in Chicago

I know I’m getting to this a little late in the thread, but I seem to be one of the babies of this site – I’m a 23 year old, white college grad in Chicago (not to repeat the glaringly obvious). I’m considering this election the best way (so far, at least) for my generation to prove itself and vote it droves, as it’s OUR future (along with all of your children’s and grandchildren) that is most at risk. I hope to live another 60+ years, and I certainly don’t want them to be spent in a world where the most siginificant decisions of our time were made by a Bush, a McCain, or (god forbid) a Palin. I can’t afford to, but I’ve given money and time to Obama (people, volunteer! It will cheer you up, I promise!) because I know there is FAR to much at stake. I’m getting married next year, hope to start a family in the next 5, and the thoughts of having to raise a child under Republican rule turns my stomach!

15 09 2008
chloe - Skein Chug Palin

AnneinWA (09:19:34) :

It seems the “appearance” in Seattle is actually just a fundraiser at a “private Hunts Point home starting from $1000 to $25,000.”

I doubt it’s going to happen because it’s in the middle of next weeks media cycle . .and I know for fact that it won’t be at Bill and Melinda’s place.

15 09 2008
Search the Web on Snap.com

if she calls him first dude, sounds like she is campaigning for john mccains job or knows he wont make it 4 years…….
she is annoying, phony and pathetic like a maverick (takes one to know one, i think that they need to be put out to pasture.

15 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I don’t know of anyone in my family that has been polled. I am African American, so I really don’t think the polls reflect many of us!

15 09 2008
AnneinWA

@Rebecca in Chicago (09:51:33) wrote:
I know I’m getting to this a little late in the thread, but I seem to be one of the babies of this site – I’m a 23 year old, white college grad in Chicago (not to repeat the glaringly obvious). I’m considering this election the best way (so far, at least) for my generation to prove itself and vote it droves, as it’s OUR future (along with all of your children’s and grandchildren) that is most at risk.

YOU GO GIRL! For those of us on this site, including ME, who are now thinking of ourselves as “aging hippies”, we realize how much we need you young folks to get out and vote. I am thrilled WE are all involved…and proud we are in this together.

15 09 2008
Smitty

Please support our 527 against Palin & the brutal aerial hunting

Please try to send $5 to defendersactionfund.org
and “hit” our video at

It is turning viral and this is a good ad with more to follow!
Thanks – Ed is broadcasting his show from AK now on satellite radio and it will air tonite on our local AM1150 in Los Angeles
I love you courageous Alaskans
As one said in the town hall “We’d rather sacrifice Alaska than the country” talking about keeping Palin in AK.

Let’s do this. We’ve had enough

15 09 2008
lower48nik

Connecting the dogs… Hey, didn’t mudflats post a link to the Dem party’s opposition research on Sarah Palin in her governor’s run? I seem to recall seeing somewhere a list of her partnerships, and that she has some land with her husband and maybe Scott Richter or somebody at Big Lake (think that was the place).

Well, I’d like to know whether they are developing that land and how the timeline compares to the alleged gutting of Alaska’s residential building codes when she first got into the governor’s office. One person said on Ed Schultz that there’s a problem (major earthquake faultline) at Castle Mountain about 6-10 miles out of Wasilla, and that if the houses aren’t built to withstand earthquakes, people will die when it eventually happens. He used a comparison to some hurricane destruction in Texas where 40% of the destroyed houses had not been built to withstand hurricane forces. No wonder they were destroyed. How wrong was that?

To think that you’d remove the law that would protect you, your children, your lifelong friends and neighbors for what? Well, that’s my question — was it because she hates government interference? Or could it have been that she had something to gain in property she was developing?

It’s bad enough without that last possibility, but here’s hoping someone can confirm the story about the residential code (or at least earthquake proofing provisions??) and even clarify whether there was any appearance of self-dealing on this one.

15 09 2008
lower48nik

Ooops, that was supposed to be connecting the DOTS!

15 09 2008
Regi

. Palin seems to be telling her critics to move to France without letting the door hit them on the way out.

I feel like we’ve been hearing that for 8 years now. Everytime Bush sneers about Democrats I get chills like they’d like nothing more than to start exiling the intellectuals.

15 09 2008
Mainiac

AnneinWA (08:53:31) :

H E L P!

I am adding my name to THIS list, but there is more than one list, correct? On one I see other folks from Washington, but on this one there are none.

I took yesterday off to go out and talk to people about Obama with great results. Our traditionally blue state seems to be turning purple – can’t let that happen!

However, I got sooo behind…read, refresh, read! Now that I have had my coffee, tried to read all the posts (from where I left off yesterday afternoon), laughed, CRIED, DISCOVERED I AM NOT THE ONLY AGING HIPPIE HERE – YES!, found some think Ed Schultz is a vile shock jock (I suggest you watch or read the transcripts from last Friday’s Bill Moyers Journal if you want a few comparisons – pbs.org), see the abortion conversation continues…phew! Could someone clarify the LIST(S), please?

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz
Judi-Georgia
Deb -Colorado
Arn (cartoon pig dog) – PA
Makeitgoaway-AZ
phnxrising-AZ
JoAnn in NC
Arkangel3 in NJ
Divatalk in MD
JoAnn in NC
pamela in Western NY
Ana Gama in rural southwest Michigan
MissSue – Michigan
ocliberal – socal
mvngfwd- FL
BlueSkyMama-New Mexico
SandyW – Kentucky
Lani aka Bash Budweiser – Hawaii
Enjay in MT
Mil from IL
Augie – Arkansas
Chris on ESMD
Catherine – Michigan
White Agate-SE Minnesota
John Henry – MA
MJC – Georgia
sweetebony- So Cali
Tonya – Oklahoma
SwinePrincess – Kansas
Susan in Atl – Georgia
fawnskin – southern california
galwhohashadenough AKA slap spear palin–Colorado
amy – Oklahoma
Lynne B – Reno NV
Let’sGetReal – Rowlett TX
AnneinWA – Western Washington
Mainiac – Central Maine

15 09 2008
Mainiac

OOPS…I copied the post by accident..Sorry Anne

15 09 2008
Harley

I quit adding my name.
Not because I do not want my name there, I do.
I quit adding my name because the list keeps changing.
Names appear and re-appear at random.
Every time I put my name on it, it disappears.
I think it is because the list gets. copied and pasted
from different areas of the comments at different times.
Which means that if a person copy/pastes it from a post from 10 am,
but the actual list is from 11 am, then posts the list, its now
11:03 am, but the list is actually from the 10 AM post.
So now it no names that were there before are no longer there again.
Its a roller coaster that will never end.
Its still a great idea though!

15 09 2008
Harley

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz
Judi-Georgia
Deb -Colorado
Arn (cartoon pig dog) – PA
Makeitgoaway-AZ
phnxrising-AZ
JoAnn in NC
Arkangel3 in NJ
Divatalk in MD
JoAnn in NC
pamela in Western NY
Ana Gama in rural southwest Michigan
MissSue – Michigan
ocliberal – socal
mvngfwd- FL
BlueSkyMama-New Mexico
SandyW – Kentucky
Lani aka Bash Budweiser – Hawaii
Enjay in MT
Mil from IL
Augie – Arkansas
Chris on ESMD
Catherine – Michigan
White Agate-SE Minnesota
John Henry – MA
MJC – Georgia
sweetebony- So Cali
Tonya – Oklahoma
SwinePrincess – Kansas
Susan in Atl – Georgia
fawnskin – southern california
galwhohashadenough AKA slap spear palin–Colorado
amy – Oklahoma
Lynne B – Reno NV
Let’sGetReal – Rowlett TX
AnneinWA – Western Washington
Mainiac – Central Maine
Harley Montreal

15 09 2008
Harley

Lets see what happens this time
and perhaps we can figure out a way to make the list
more accurate/

Its a great list.

15 09 2008
Pat

CNN repotrted on the protest Sat. WITH THE CORRECT NUMBER 1,500.! Brilliant to use that clicker to count accurately!

15 09 2008
Judi B

My husband and I are white, seniors, one Christian and one Jew and live in NJ. We have two cells and one land line…. we have NEVER been called in a poll.
We are members of the Democratic party and vote in EVERY election. Nobody I know has ever been polled. Who in the world are they calling?

15 09 2008
Harley

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/governor-palins-reading-l_b_126478.html

Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that “some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.”

It might be worth asking Governor Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading list.

15 09 2008
Harley

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/14/palin-met-by-hundreds-of_n_126276.html

Palin Met By Over A Thousand Protesters In Anchorage (VIDEO) (PHOTOS)

15 09 2008
Arizona Blue

http://newsbusters.org/
CHECK THIS OUT MCCAIN IS WEARING LIPSTICK

15 09 2008
judi

@ Judi B (11:36:58) :
Interesting…Neither my husband nor myself have ever been called in a poll either, and we also have a land line and 2 cell lines..Wonder how many folks in Mudflats have ever been called in a political poll….How is a participant chosen??

15 09 2008
AZtopcat

I consider myself as an average voter. Middle aged , middle class , from middle America. I have never been polled , my husband grown daughter and her boyfriend are registered Independents, I am a registered democrat. We all fully support Obama and this is the forst time I have contributed to a political campaign (three times in fact). McCain’s selection of Palin made it perfectly clear that he is in fact unfit to be president, I actually question his mental capablities as well as his health. I want my President ot be the smartest and calm person on earth. I do not want him to be like my neighbor, nor do I want to have a beer with him. I want him to be physically and mentally fit for the next four years will be the toughtest any president will have to face. WAKE UP AMERICA THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST!!!

15 09 2008
marksmyword

PALIN __THANKS! BUT NO THANKS!!!!!
Mary in TN
California Cowboy
Tracy NC
Jeep Pike Downin Mississipi
Rebecca Chicago
Mary Nagle Chicago
Cynthis Texas
Wisconsin women
Sally AZ
Wisconsin Shopgirl
GJ Idaho
Ny Dem
Dem VA
David E NY
Dee PA
Susie Jersey
Palmdale
Linda Virginia
Sad in red state Texas
Sara Mississippi
Nancy Indiana
Fred Calif
Marcella Chicago
Uk lady
solsticeatese Nertherlands
Australian puck male
Laurie canadian
RedwoodMan – Northern California
Whichferret Kansas
Marty – Oregon
Zim in Oz
Judi-Georgia
Deb -Colorado
Arn (cartoon pig dog) – PA
Makeitgoaway-AZ
phnxrising-AZ
JoAnn in NC
Arkangel3 in NJ
Divatalk in MD
JoAnn in NC
pamela in Western NY
Ana Gama in rural southwest Michigan
MissSue – Michigan
ocliberal – socal
mvngfwd- FL
BlueSkyMama-New Mexico
SandyW – Kentucky
Lani aka Bash Budweiser – Hawaii
Enjay in MT
Mil from IL
Augie – Arkansas
Chris on ESMD
Catherine – Michigan
White Agate-SE Minnesota
John Henry – MA
MJC – Georgia
sweetebony- So Cali
Tonya – Oklahoma
SwinePrincess – Kansas
Susan in Atl – Georgia
fawnskin – southern california
galwhohashadenough AKA slap spear palin–Colorado
amy – Oklahoma
Lynne B – Reno NV
Let’sGetReal – Rowlett TX
AnneinWA – Western Washington
Mainiac – Central Maine
Harley Montreal
marksmyword – Western PA

15 09 2008
Femalady

Mollie Ivins also wote a great book called “Shrub” which told the story of Dwub pre-whitehouse. Wonderful lady. Ditto Ann Richards. So sorry they are gone. Made Texas politics interesting and fun! My age is 68….I lived through the Free Speech movement at Berkeley and the Viet Nam horrors! And now the potential horrors of McShame and gal-pal! And, boy, do I have an 18 lb. cat I would like Ms. Palin to meet! She terrorizes my 135 lb. German Shepherd and the mailman! A real bad-ass kitty named Murphus O’Toole! And I have voted in every election, have a land-line and have never been polled, either! Nor any of my five children who also vote and have land-lines. Maybe Dem voters in Texas don’t count!

15 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

Odd about urging citizens to move to France. Palin doesn’t seem to know that many cutting edge scientists have left the US in order to pursue their careers, particularly in terms of stem cell research. Likewise university professors. The brain drain has been going on for almost 8 years during the anti-science administration. Expect a speed-up in departures if we face another 4 years of flat earth policies.

Meanwhile, other countries are imposing more restrictions on immigration and the US is imposing capital gains taxes on its citizens’ exits.

15 09 2008
whichferret

By the way, we have a “big” scandal going on here in KC right now with our mayor who has had his wife as a volunteer adviser. She has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way at city hall and there is now a law about how many hours volunteers can work at city hall. She was officially appointed and there was still a problem. Our mayor tried pretty hard to do a CYA and still failed…..Sarah for all of her so called experience could not figure out/know/be told to do this? WOW

16 09 2008
Lani aka Bash Budweiser

To Hick Town in W PA (07:45:48), and all of the brave women who have posted :

I remember so well when abortion became an option in WDC. The woman had to see 2 psychiatrists and state that she was crazy and would kill herself and/or her child, if born. Be admitted to the psych ward, have the procedure. Sibley Hospital was the usual place. Cost $600 (we’re talking about the ’60s). Women in (or related to) the military, Peace Corps or Congress were routinely admitted with fewer obstacles.

The”morning after” pill was also available to people in “the loop” in the late 1960’s. How long did it take for that to become avaliable in general? It was over the counter in Australia in the 1990’s! What about the US?

And those psych evaluations from the 1960’s? Routinely used against women later in life to deny insurance or in custody fights.

Yep, to obtain a safe procedure in the US, you had to say you were crazy and have it used against you for life.

I used to be be very active for equal rights in the WDC area. I spoke in panel discussions about the Equal Credit Opportunity Act, Social Security reform and equal rights in general. People threatened us and threw beer cans. It was dangerous to speak out, and I had the police patrolling my house for awhile. It was a hard struggle, tho nothing like what our matriarchs experienced during the Suffragist Movement. McInsane/Pain are an insult to the struggle we have experienced.

17 09 2008
whitehawk

Thankyou so much Ed Shultz; thankyou for your trip to Alaska to listen to Alaskans voices. With all the hypocritical jargon with Republicans, they needed a voice, I am a Canadian woman, and an Obama supporter for 2 yrs now, they need to know about him and his hope for your great country. Please tell them to keep in touch with you. You are a good and honest man. This election is the most important in my 58 yrs, so I too am afraid of a McCain/Palin ticket in the WH, with or without the other…………they are both nuts.

thanks again, God Bless

23 09 2008