Karl Rove Comes to Alaska…

12 09 2008

Les Gara and his entourage on Primary Night at Election Central in Anchorage.

Please give a big Mudflats welcome to our guest poster for the evening, Les Gara.  Les is a Democratic State Representative from Anchorage.  He’s also a former Assistant Attorney General (Exxon Valdez Litigation Section), and has been in office since 2003.  

 

I took that photo of Les at the Primary Night festivities at the Egan Convention Center in downtown Anchorage.  That’s him being interviewed for a local news cast.  He had the best signs, I thought.  You can only do so much with red, white, and blue.

 

Here’s Rep. Gara’s  take on McCain’s spin and interference with the bi-partisan “Troopergate” Investigation. 

 

Politicians are good at spin.  The McCain camp has brought a whole new level of it to our small state – in what looks like an effort to show they can play the same Karl Rove-like political games that have haunted this country for the last 8 years.  I like Governor Palin on a personal level.  But I don’t like what the McCain campaign is doing to our state.  I don’t like deception.  And I don’t like politics as usual.

 

Alaskans are starting to see evidence of a Karl Rove-like effort to stonewall what started as a non-controversial, bi-partisan “Troopergate” investigation.  A little deception here.  A few personal attacks there.  And the kind of spin you see at an amusement park tilt-a-whirl station.  

 

This investigation was started by a Republican-dominated Alaska Legislature to look into Governor Palin’s conduct in seeking the termination of a State Trooper, once married to the Governor’s sister, Trooper Michael Wooten.  The McCain camp wants to stop it by saying it’s a “democratic” investigation.  Apart from facts, and the reputations the McCain folks don’t mind destroying, there’s not a lot standing in the way of this strategy.

 

Until August 29 “Troopergate” was a small state investigation Governor Palin, and every Republican and Democrat in a Republican-led Legislature had agreed was appropriate.  But things changed the day Governor Palin joined the McCain ticket.  His handlers went ballistic that the Governor agreed to an investigation they now needed to stop.

 

I know Senator McCain is now running on a political platform of “change.”  Leave aside how he’ll fight to change what he’s voted to do to this country for the last 8 years.  If you ask me, the only thing he’s changed so far is Governor Palin’s position – her decision to cooperate with this once-small investigation. 

 

This is one of those cases where there’s a clear truth.  It’s a clear truth – about a bi-partisan investigation – that I hope McCain’s operatives will ultimately fail at spinning into a “partisan” plot against his running mate.

 

To get their way, and prevent sworn testimony from leaking out on what I suspect was probably a minor breach by Governor Palin, McCain’s operatives have come to Alaska to add invective in a state where people generally get along.  They’ve chosen to vilify: 1) one of the state’s most respected public officials, Senator Hollis French; 2) the state’s most respected law enforcement official, Walt Monegan; and 3) a highly respected former DA and Victims Rights advocate a legislative committee voted 12 – 0 to hire to conduct the investigation, Steve Branchflower. 

 

It’s the ghost of Karl Rove.  Say something untrue enough times – like that Al Qaida is training with Saddam Hussein’s help – and people will believe it.  Not this time.  I’m not sure if I mentioned a few important facts.

 

Did I mention that no one ever attacked the Troopergate investigation by Alaska’s Legislature – started long before Governor Palin was placed on McCain’s ticket – until August 29?  That was the day Governor Palin joined the McCain bid for the White House. 

 

Did I mention that before the McCain camp got involved, the Governor stated of the Legislative investigation:  “That being the route they choose, so be it.  I’m happy to comply, to cooperate.” (KTUU.com, July 24, 2008).  She repeatedly stated she’d comply, and that it was the right thing to do.

 

Did I mention the personal attacks against our local public officials only started after Sen. McCain sent his flacks up to our small state on August 29?  They came with a mission to make America believe a Republican-initiated investigation, started with a unanimous committee vote of 8 Republicans and 4 Democrats, was a “partisan” plot.  That’s only a tough sell if people know the facts.

 

Did I mention they now claim the Legislature cannot legally proceed with an investigation into government misconduct (I thought Republicans didn’t like attorneys who made frivolous arguments), and that they are threatening to to go to court to stop it?   The Governor’s attorneys started writing those letters on – you guessed it – August 29.  Before then they agreed the investigation was proper.

 

Oh, and what about this.  Last week the McCain camp put our Governor in a bizarre position.  They told her to file an ethics complaint against herself!  Yup, again after her VP nomination.  Too weird?  What’s behind this move?  You guessed it.  Lawyers.  

 

To create the legal argument that the Legislature cannot investigate government misconduct, the McCain team has had her file a complaint against herself before something called the State Personnel Board.  That’s a 3 member group of Republican Gubernatorial appointees – that, if it started this week, wouldn’t get an investigation done, and reported to the public, until after the November election.  Convenient.

 

Hmmm.  The Legislature has announced they’d have their investigation done – if witnesses would cooperate like they were until August 29 – by October 10.  I can’t imagine why the McCain camp would prefer an investigation that doesn’t get finished until after November.  Any ideas?

 

So what about the claim that this investigation is some sort of partisan plot against a Republican ticket?  A legislative committee of 8 Republicans and 4 democrats asked former Assistant District Attorney Hollis French, a Democrat – to hire a legislative investigator in July.  He did.  He’s not doing the investigation.  So the complaint that he’s a Democrat who supports Barack Obama  is, well, weak.  He’s a Democrat who supports Barack Obama, who was appointed before Governor Palin was a VP candidate.  More importantly, he’s a Senator who has the confidence of a majority Republican Senate. 

 

He once said to the press the results of the investigation are likely to be troubling.  He shouldn’t have said that.  But the Governor’s said it too.  The newspapers have said it.  We all know it.  The public record already contains evidence that the Department of Public Safety was contacted roughly 20 times by Palin senior staff, and her husband Todd, about firing Trooper Wooten.  The Governor has conceded that based on this evidence, the public could conclude the Department could have felt pressure from above to fire Trooper Wooten.

 

The investigator, Steve Branchflower, is a former DA and Office of Victims Rights head (a job he was appointed to by a Republican Legislature).  He’s actually conducting the investigation.  Attacking Senator French doesn’t really work if he’s not investigating the case, or making any findings.  So the McCain folks have attacked Mr. Branchflower.  And they’ve tried to stop him from issuing subpoenas to the witnesses now directed not to talk.  Today the McCain folks suffered a setback.  A bi-partisan committee of Republicans and Democrats authorized Mr. Branchflower to move ahead to subpoena those witnesses.

 

And for good measure – the McCain folks are attacking Walt Monegan – the Public Safety Commissioner Governor Palin fired.  The Troopergate investigation involves claims that Monegan was fired for not agreeing to fire Trooper Wooten, the Governor’s brother in law involved in a very ugly custody dispute with the Governor’s sister. 

 

I don’t begrudge the Governor for not liking her brother-in-law.  I don’t really like him either, from what I’ve read.  I do begrudge those who’d attack Commissioner Monegan, a quintessential public servant who’s worked for both Republican and Democratic heads on the state and local level. 

 

These three public servants deserve better.  What they’ve received so far, is a little dose of ugly Washington politics in a state where we don’t see that stuff too often.

 

I stood on the sidelines when this investigation started.  When Governor Palin fired Commissioner Monegan, my advice was to end the flap and just hire him back. He does good work.  He’s well respected.  Unfortunately, my advice sometimes isn’t that good, and the Governor didn’t agree.

 

Then McCain’s staff of outsiders came to town.  And they began to launch personal attacks on people I respect.  They started proving that the same old politics that have caused dissatisfaction with Washington insiders these past 8 years are going to be the bread and butter of the McCain campaign.  

 

So – here I am today.  I support an Obama presidency because he shares a vision I believe in.  I’ve publicly supported him since the race started last year.  I also think Governor Palin originally did the right thing in agreeing to take some small lumps by proceeding with a legislative investigation Republicans and Democrats, and much of the public asked for.   

 

But unfortunately Alaska is the bull’s eye in a national presidential race today.  When told by the McCain folks that she needed to change her position, she did, as a loyal running mate.  I understand that.

 

As an Alaskan I’m not really angry at our Governor for this mess.  I do blame John McCain for the ugliness he’s brought to our state this week.   His folks have come to my small state to attack my friends, and people I respect, for political gain.  In my book, that’s not OK.  We all mess up time to time.  But this crosses the line. 

 

In small states, like small towns, people who act like the McCain folks apologize.  Until that happens, I’ll keep defending 3 public servants who deserve better.

 


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12 09 2008
Bobby Lee

Im in a very angry mood right now. I want to know where the person gets off saying that Levi Johnston is not the dad of Bristol baby but his friend Matthew
Carrington is. That his family was paid $200,000 to keep quite about it cause she was seeing Levi and it would look like she played around. You people need to knock off this crap. Just leave these kids alone.

What person? Not me.
AKMuckraker

12 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

Get some rest now, Muddie – you too, GJ in ID. It’s going to be a long day for all of us tomorrow.😉

12 09 2008
Mil

I am forwarding this to everyone I know.

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And Bobby Lee…. Way to be on topic. Really. And we *have* been leaving the kids alone. It’s the people like *you* who keep bringing it up.

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AKM and Les Gara… I salute you. And I thank you.

12 09 2008
Mil

Dude… Bobby Lee, I have no idea where you got your intel, but I just googled it… what you wrote has absolutely NO basis in reality as far as the internet world goes.

12 09 2008
D Landry

Thank you Rep. Gara, very well put. We’re under siege here by McCain flacks. Commissioner Monaghan, Sen. French, and Mr. Branchflower deserve our support and thanks. Gov. Palin needs to do the right thing and cooperate to wrap this thing up.

13 09 2008
C

What a mess. I’m so bothered by McCain’s campaign! Unfortunately, during times like this a person’s true character comes out. We can already see McCain’s integrity go down the drain. Your Rep. Gara sounds like a solid man. All I can do is hope that the truth comes out and the better person comes out on top!

13 09 2008
From England

HUH??????????!!!!!!!

Muck, you really need to give us warning before posting such shockers!!!!! WOke up to a nice slow Saturday, opened you up and greeted with this?? OK, let me sit down first and then read it….

13 09 2008
DeMo

Wow, lots going on in Alaska. Excitement over tomorrow’s dueling rallies. Disillusion and disgust that Rove-like techniques have infiltrated.

I know I should annoy the trolls. I know I should annoy the trolls. I know I should annoy the trolls.

But I can’t. Bobby Lee, you forgot a dose of your meds again, didn’t you? I know you have because no one here has discussed what you introduced. That means you’re hearing voices. Take your meds.

13 09 2008
From England

Phew…..Welcome Les. And thanks for that insight. What troubles me most about all this is that peoples’ opinions are entirely shaped by the news they read – and sadly many, many are so ill-informed.

It’s quite horrifying what people (just look at Bobby Lee’s wonderful contribution as a starting point) are prepared to believe and prepared to spred around. I think though that Americans have been fooled enough, this time will be different. Those that lie will be proved to be liars.

13 09 2008
DownInMississippi aka Jeep Pike

Bobby Lee,
You need to go back and tell your bosses that this little rumor plant is not going to work here at mudflats. The people here are not interested in promoting your bs just so you can turn around and accuse mudflats of starting this crap.

When I first read your post, I was somewhat taken aback since it had absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter at hand. But on second glance, I’m so glad you posted first. The heading above your post says it all. Way to go Bobby Lee! LMAO

VOTE FOR OBAMA/BIDEN

Women all over America are against Palin

13 09 2008
From England

spred = spread

13 09 2008
Mil

Hmm, I wonder if the crazy crazy will come back. Or it that was just a random idiotic shot in the dark before fleeing back to a Rovian nest. Trolls are so laughable.

13 09 2008
bas

Mudflats friends – You can trust Les – I used to work in the same office as him – Les – if you read this, you probably don”t remember me – but I remember you – at the oil spill litigation office. I wonder if Sarah can look back and not worry what she did. I wish someone could find classifieds employees who worked in the governor’s office who don’t have to worry about being fired at will – I bet they could tell some stories. Contact your union rep first.

13 09 2008
Oklad

Thanks for your insight..
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13 09 2008
DownInMississippi aka Jeep Pike

Bobby Lee just put his name in the Palin Name Selector:

Bobby Lee = Rovian Troll Palin

too funny…fleeing back to a Rovian nest…hearing voices again….take your meds

13 09 2008
Bluedog

Thank you, Les Gara. You give me hope. I don’t understand why every Alaskan–every Republican in this state even–isn’t appalled that we’ve suddenly turned our affairs over to a national campaign. This is the thing that offends me most about Sarah Palin’s nomination. Well, that and the fact that she threw her daughter to the wolves….

13 09 2008
Mil

lmao, Bobby Lee in the name generator:

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Bobby Lee, if you were born to Sarah Palin, your name would be:

Churn Scorpion Palin

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How appropriate…

13 09 2008
eajphd

Does it strike anybody else as interesting that **Bobby Lee** is a common nickname for Robert E. Lee of the Confederate Army? It looks like Mudflats’ growing profile may be drawing whacko trolls off some of the other blogs.

13 09 2008
bas

Bluedog – I hear ya. I feel like my dirty laundry is being aired – and I didn’t even know it was hanging on the line.

13 09 2008
rasbobbo

I imagine you folks were wondering if & how much Washington politics would corrupt your governor. You know, of course, she could have told her new handlers to butt out & let the investigation take its natural course. That would have actually shown some of that mavericky spirit of independence she supposedly possesses. i guess, not so much, huh?

13 09 2008
Uncle Joe Mccarthy

les,

you are basically calling your governor a rube…and as far as i can see, she aint no rube

she is going into this with eyes wide open…and at anytime, can tell the mccain machine to stop….but she wont

so yes…get angry my friend…and get angry at palin for turning this investigation into a circus side show

and i take it that alaskans, whether from the left or the right, dont really like outside agitators….so i see gov palin going down

13 09 2008
bas

Uncle Joe – I think we didn’t know how bad it was – I for one am glad for the “outside agitators.” I hope it has woke people up. I am on record for saying “wait until the other shoe drops.”

13 09 2008
kk

she said she welcomes the investigation…

Booby Lee, stay on topic…

13 09 2008
Catherine

Funny how trolls have to type whatever the voices in their heads say …

If this is how they campaign, then this is exactly how they will govern. Some change. People need to just pay attention – and realize that they not only lie, they don’t even put in the effort to make the lies more creative! Grrr….

13 09 2008
BigSlick

I think the Republicans WANT Palin to become a political martyr. It would get them a lock on the enraged evangelical right-wing vote and a lot of sympathy votes from the undecided middle.

Let’s take that thought even further.

God forbid she has a suspicious car accident before the investigation wraps up, or worse that some schizophrenic aims a gun at her. I seriously hope she is very well protected, hell, that she doesn’t even sprain an ankle in the next 8 weeks.

She said the words “Islamic Extremist” to Charles Gibson so many times, she called Putin and the Russian fascist establishment out, and even threatened Iran. She is rabble rousing at its finest, and she is basically begging in public for any one of these “adversaries” to send nutjobs to come look her up.

Is she purposely putting targets all over herself in an attempt at arranging her own quick martyrdom? Is she inciting the public to a mob mentality preparing for something that will break all hell loose?

GWB secretly authorized US forces to cross the Afghan/Pakistan border and Pakistani civilians, women and children, were killed on their own sovereign soil BY US TROOPS. It appears the Neocons were instrumental in the events just prior to Georgia-Russia becoming a battlefield. WHAT IF MEXICO OR CANADA DID THIS TO THE USA? WHAT IF RUSSIA INVADED THAT ISLAND IN ALASKA THAT HAS A SIBERIAN VIEWPOINT?

The politics of fear and bullying are evident in everything the Bush/McCain camp is doing. Their terrorist tactics are being executed both domestically and abroad.

God Bless America?

I say, GOD SAVE AMERICA FROM THE EXTREMIST RIGHT TERRORIST ESTABLISHMENT

13 09 2008
sam stevens

England – I completely agree with you and have faith that Americans have had enough of lies and stinky Karlrovian tactics.

It is, however, odd to see a couple of “troll” posts here and there after reading a week or so of more erudite posts.

Speaking of…Alexander Rose – if you read this, please stop using swear words because I and other parents I know, have our kids read this blog as a way of keeping informed about this current presidential election. If you can’t make your point without cussing, it’s probably not a strong point anyway.

Lastly, many thanks to Les for an honest and clear-eyed view of McCain’s desperate measures, and how people in Alaska really get along with each other.

13 09 2008
¶ AIO

It’s a very common ‘Rovian’ technique to plant mis-information, like Bobby Lee did, and then easily de-bunk it.
Just ask Dan Rather.

¶ AIO

13 09 2008
John Henry

Excuse me if I sound dense, but Karl Rove is not literally in Alaska right?

[cue John Williams’ The Imperial March – Darth Vader’s theme]
I imagined Karl Rove, Dark Lord of the Sith and the brutal head enforcer of the RNC arriving in Alaska, sent as the Sith apprentice of the secret Emperor Palpatine, Joe Lieberman, using the dark side of the Force to mercilessly crush Steve Branchflower and his Rebel Alliance’s investigation.

Troopergate is turning out to be a John Grisham novel. Its amazing how little coverage its getting nationally. The McCain Campaign’s behavior needs to be put in the spotlight.

I can’t wait until we can fire these guys once and for all. We all need a break from the lying and the distractions and the scandals and the coverups and the failures and the bailouts. Its just one setback after another. I’m praying it does not come down to another recount. I don’t know if I can survive another one. This case reminds me of it.

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Fine article, Mr. Gara. Thank you. Could you get it published as an op-ed piece in several papers around the country as it is an eye-opener.

My first thought about the first and off-topic response was that the poster had come here to plant a rumor because Mudflats is now so well read.

Bob Herbert’s column today says, in part:

“While watching the Sarah Palin interview with Charlie Gibson Thursday night, and the coverage of the Palin phenomenon in general, I’ve gotten the scary feeling, for the first time in my life, that dimwittedness is not just on the march in the U.S., but that it might actually prevail.

How is it that this woman could have been selected to be the vice presidential candidate on a major party ticket? How is it that so much of the mainstream media has dropped all pretense of seriousness to hop aboard the bandwagon and go along for the giddy ride?

For those who haven’t noticed, we’re electing a president and vice president, not selecting a winner on “American Idol.”

Ms. Palin may be a perfectly competent and reasonably intelligent woman (however troubling her views on evolution and global warming may be), but she is not ready to be vice president.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13herbert.html?hp

The main editorial said, in part:

“As we watched Sarah Palin on TV the last couple of days, we kept wondering what on earth John McCain was thinking.

If he seriously thought this first-term governor — with less than two years in office — was qualified to be president, if necessary, at such a dangerous time, it raises profound questions about his judgment. If the choice was, as we suspect, a tactical move, then it was shockingly irresponsible.

It was bad enough that Ms. Palin’s performance in the first televised interviews she has done since she joined the Republican ticket was so visibly scripted and lacking in awareness.

What made it so much worse is the strategy for which the Republicans have made Ms. Palin the frontwoman: win the White House not on ideas, but by denigrating experience, judgment and qualifications.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13sat1.html?hp

Sarah Palin WILL self-destruct.

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Well, my first attempt, with links, didn’t work, so I’ll try again.

Fine article, Mr. Gara. Thank you. Could you get it published as an op-ed piece in several papers around the country as it is an eye-opener.

My first thought about the first and off-topic response was that the poster had come here to plant a rumor because Mudflats is now so well read.

Bob Herbert’s column today in the NY Times says, in part:

“While watching the Sarah Palin interview with Charlie Gibson Thursday night, and the coverage of the Palin phenomenon in general, I’ve gotten the scary feeling, for the first time in my life, that dimwittedness is not just on the march in the U.S., but that it might actually prevail.

How is it that this woman could have been selected to be the vice presidential candidate on a major party ticket? How is it that so much of the mainstream media has dropped all pretense of seriousness to hop aboard the bandwagon and go along for the giddy ride?

For those who haven’t noticed, we’re electing a president and vice president, not selecting a winner on “American Idol.”

Ms. Palin may be a perfectly competent and reasonably intelligent woman (however troubling her views on evolution and global warming may be), but she is not ready to be vice president.”

The NT Times editorial said, in part:

“As we watched Sarah Palin on TV the last couple of days, we kept wondering what on earth John McCain was thinking.

If he seriously thought this first-term governor — with less than two years in office — was qualified to be president, if necessary, at such a dangerous time, it raises profound questions about his judgment. If the choice was, as we suspect, a tactical move, then it was shockingly irresponsible.

It was bad enough that Ms. Palin’s performance in the first televised interviews she has done since she joined the Republican ticket was so visibly scripted and lacking in awareness.

What made it so much worse is the strategy for which the Republicans have made Ms. Palin the frontwoman: win the White House not on ideas, but by denigrating experience, judgment and qualifications.”

Sarah Palin WILL self-destruct.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

I Just posted the following over at my site and DKos.

“We Regret to Inform You” Chapter 1

While being so involved in the political process and the coming election Everyone needs to take the Timeout to Reflect on what Presently is much more important, Real Sacrifice!!

Look past the political Spin and into the Souls of the Candidates, National, Presidential and Congressional, ask Who Really Understands what this Country has Created these last few years and what that will bring to the future! Do we Really want to enhance the hatreds more and add to the enemies of this Countries Policies and Us for what we have done to them!

That starts it out, a video is embedded but you can visit the site for that and the two to follow in this series. You can also view the previous shows.

The DKos Post

My Site Post

13 09 2008
DeMo

John Henry said:

“Excuse me if I sound dense, but Karl Rove is not literally in Alaska right?”

Not dense. One never knows with Rove. While Rove himself isn’t there, his tactics have arrived.

I think the national media is starting to cover it. As it gains momentum, I think it will garner more attention. If I’m remembering correctly, and that’s a big if, Charlie Gibson might have touched on it during his interview. I think she said she welcomed the investigation, but her fingers were crossed behind her back so it doesn’t count.

13 09 2008
lemonfair

Rep. Gara:

I really appreciate your perspective (and AKM for offering it here). It has put the spotlight back where it belongs, on John McCain. It has also given me a more favorable view of Sarah Palin, at least to the extent of your thinking she’s just been a patsy in all this – although, if that’s true, I’m not sure why there are so many politicians apparently afraid to stand up to her.

There is so much to focus on in this election. So many people who find Sarah Palin personally attractive and are intrigued by what they see as her unusual biography, but who need to learn where she actually stands on the issues and to see how cynically the McCain campaign has used her as bait, rather than planned for her to become president. Pretty scary.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Bobby Lee:

Seems I just read You Saying This!!!!!!!

Haven’t seen anyone else saying this, if you have seen how about enlightening us as to where.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Oh and Robert E Lee, aka Bobby Lee,

See if you give us the info we can Vet the persons posting this, like you!

We do Vetting, unlike some we know, and we Need a Resume on those we Hire!!

13 09 2008
sarah

re: bobby lee’s comment could be a real story but could also be a way for a wanna be rapper to get some media attention…

check out…
http://www.blackbottom.com/watch.php?v=WdBJd9b9i8A&featuretive_sharin

which takes you to this… http://www.myspace.com/draftpickhits

kudos to the kid if he’s telling the truth….

if he is lying…. he has learned the lessons of rove well (lie to get ahead)… god help him!!!

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

OT, but AKM, could you put up a link to the list of polling websites that was posted in one of the threads here. I can’t find it again!

TIA

13 09 2008
jimstaro

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13 09 2008
Anwyn

Now, maybe these videos will make sense to you.

VIDEO
Vietnam Vets and POWs accuse John McCain

Testimony of Patty Hopper, expert in govt. agency POW databases

McCain Tantrum at Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs

DOCUMENTS
The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides
Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files
By Sydney Schanberg
http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm

More on John McCain and Bobby Garwood (see Patty Hopper video)
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may282008/mccain_garwood_5-28-08.php

ON THE OCCASION OF THE TWELVFTH ANNUAL ROLLING THUNDER WASHINGTON D.C.
30 MAY 1999
by Mark A. Smith, Major, USA, Retired
“Today, a new law has been passed, sponsored by Sen. John McCain, which seals the record of what happened in the POW camps of Vietnam. We cannot see who my brother POWs really were in those camps. I cannot speak for other POWs, but I feel that you and every other American deserve to know exactly how we really performed in Vietnam, and not how we say we performed.”
http://www.rossie.com/rolling.htm

13 09 2008
bacaangel

A Rove operative, Sean Hannity Implodes on Obama Supporter! Men of Intergrity & Goodwill? I don’t think so!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NmcupSmgraw

13 09 2008
CK

Wow. Just wow. I’m posting from Australia and have been lurking around here for weeks not getting any work done. If my multinational overlords get wind, I’m rooted.

Absolutely terrific post, Les.

And AKM: Big ups. I rate this site a massive 10 kangaroo hops.

(Apologies to other Australian posters – and yes, Aussie Puck Mule, I’m looking at you – for the hackneyed, culturally stereotyped, imagery).

13 09 2008
CK

*Obviously I meant AMK. Stupid teh internets*

13 09 2008
CK

*Oh no! I was right the first time! Or not. Oh god. I’m so confused about these arcane Alaskan internet traditions*

13 09 2008
Julie in California

Just curious, does anybody know who is paying this team of lawyers? They can’t use campaign funds for this kind of legal stuff , CAN THEY? Can the Republican Party legally pay out of political funds ? Or is it all privately funded?

13 09 2008
Divatalk

Happy Saturday everyone,

This was interesting to wake up to this morning. Lots of tricks, infilttation, slander. This is politics. and unfortuntely it seems to work everytime At least it has during the past 8 years.

So, my question is this. What do we do about it? If just read an article by Chuck Todd and the paraphrase, he says, as usual the Dems are so polite and what to get to issues, thinking and hoping the American public will get back to what is pimportant, but that it could be too little too late. HE also mentions t hat they take too long to respond and when they do respond, it is not as impactful as the repubs..

So how do we rally the forces in an enormous way. As I have been tracking intrade.com during the past week, Obama has gone from 60 to 48, while Mcain has gone from 41 to 51 on average.

The general concensus is that the reupubs will keep Sarah under wraps except in certain “sanitized” events, hence Sean Hannity, until the election. Their strategy is to run the clock down. Keeping her in the spotlight and dominating the news cycle so that the dems get off message, while constantly defending themselves.

My personal rallying cry is “Not This Time”. So as a collective community, what can we do to turn the tide?

13 09 2008
RLS

I read the adn.com (Alaska Daily News) on line today to see if there were any articles or followup on the Palin per diem and travel expense stories that were featured in the Washington Post a few days ago. Found the section on Bear Sightings which shows 169 pictures of bears in the area, the article on on the run at Best Buy on big screen TV as Alaskans spend their PFDs and resource rebate checks but did see anything on any plans to investigate the per diem and travel expense revelations. Is this already a non-issue and common practice in Alaska? Was it an overblown story by Post? Will something more come out when/if the Palin tax returns are released? Any thoughts?

13 09 2008
Divatalk

sorry, I have so many typos. I’m not on my game this morning.

13 09 2008
Divatalk

Does anyone remember the website link which contained the videos for us to get out and go viral. IT was put out by an individual group, but I can’t remember the name of the group. Help!!

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Also from today’s NY Times in an article headlined “McCain Barbs Stirring Outcry as Distortions”:

” “The last month, for sure,” said Don Sipple, a Republican advertising strategist, “I think the predominance of liberty taken with truth and the facts has been more McCain than Obama.”

Indeed, in recent days, Mr. McCain has been increasingly called out by news organizations, editorial boards and independent analysts like FactCheck.org. The group, which does not judge whether one candidate is more misleading than another, has cried foul on Mr. McCain more than twice as often since the start of the political conventions as it has on Mr. Obama.”

13 09 2008
misskae

Divatalk,
Is this the site you’re looking for?
http://twovoters.com/

I posted it on my Facebook.

13 09 2008
Mel

It sounds like the McCain camp wants to destroy your town and the integrity of the people you have come to admire and respect. When this election is over your community will be left to pick up the pieces. The McCain camp does not care about your town and people in it. I hope more people start speaking out and are willing to come forward for the sake of everyone involved.

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

I think these have been posted prior, but they are worth noting in light of the continual, and frankly astounding, tactics being put forth by the McCain campaign. We have discussed many times the Extreme Right’s push to put one of their own in the White House this year. That person is Sarah Palin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/washington/21fbi.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin – Mudflatters-if you have not called your local administrations with regard to where they stand, please do so today. Please keep this alive in your local media as (hopefully with fingers crossed) the average American is reading a little more. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue – this is an American issue.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/06/secondworldwar.warcrimes

“In the New York Times on July 18, the Israeli historian Benny Morris, once considered a liberal and now a consultant to his country’s political and military establishment, threatened “an Iran turned into a nuclear wasteland”. This would be mass murder. For a Jew, the irony cries out.

“The question begs: are the rest of us to be mere bystanders, claiming, as good Germans did, that “we did not know”? Do we hide ever more behind what Richard Falk has called “a self-righteous, one-way, legal/moral screen [with] positive images of western values and innocence portrayed as threatened, validating a campaign of unrestricted violence”? Catching war criminals is fashionable again. Radovan Karadzic stands in the dock, but Sharon and Olmert, Bush and Blair do not. Why not? The memory of Hiroshima requires an answer.”

13 09 2008
Mel

With all things being equal; it is more likely that Palin would become president in a McCain administration than Biden in an Obama administration. That is very frightening!

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

If you have not seen this, and I think it has been posted, but in light of AKM’s latest post:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/washington/21fbi.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper – please contact your local representatives and ask where they stand on this issue. Also it is good to continue to keep this alive in your local media.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/06/secondworldwar.warcrimes

“In the New York Times on July 18, the Israeli historian Benny Morris, once considered a liberal and now a consultant to his country’s political and military establishment, threatened “an Iran turned into a nuclear wasteland”. This would be mass murder. For a Jew, the irony cries out.

“The question begs: are the rest of us to be mere bystanders, claiming, as good Germans did, that “we did not know”? Do we hide ever more behind what Richard Falk has called “a self-righteous, one-way, legal/moral screen [with] positive images of western values and innocence portrayed as threatened, validating a campaign of unrestricted violence”? Catching war criminals is fashionable again. Radovan Karadzic stands in the dock, but Sharon and Olmert, Bush and Blair do not. Why not? The memory of Hiroshima requires an answer.

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

I keep trying to post this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/washington/21fbi.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

Please read and forward.

Please call your local representative and ask where they stand on this issue.

In this election season, average Americans may be picking up a paper more than usual. Keep this in your local media.

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

I cannot, for some reason, get this to post this morning. I think it has been posted prior, but worth a reminder:

Going to try again: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/washington/21fbi.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

Please read, call your representative and keep in local media.

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat
13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

I must be doing something goofy this AM. Y’all be safe today – we are on the side of liberty and justice for all! This is an interesting OpEd that is worth reading today based on our Mighty Chief Mudflats post:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/06/secondworldwar.warcrimes

“The question begs: are the rest of us to be mere bystanders, claiming, as good Germans did, that “we did not know”? Do we hide ever more behind what Richard Falk has called “a self-righteous, one-way, legal/moral screen [with] positive images of western values and innocence portrayed as threatened, validating a campaign of unrestricted violence”? Catching war criminals is fashionable again. Radovan Karadzic stands in the dock, but Sharon and Olmert, Bush and Blair do not. Why not? The memory of Hiroshima requires an answer.”

13 09 2008
MissSue

Welcome Les, and thank you for the insight into what politics is doing to your State. I’m not very fond of the Sarah Palin that has been introduced to the rest of America, but one thing I did conclude was that she loved being from Alaska. It’s sad that she would allow this type of thing to happen. I realize that the McCain camp has told her that it is necessary to advance their position, but you would think that she would not want to bring “same old politics” to her home state in her name. Of course I guess I’m preaching to the choir here.

Thanks for all the great articles Mudflats. You are my sanity during this insane campaign.

13 09 2008
oklahoma independent

I wish this could be published in the op ed sections of every newspaper in America.

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/06/secondworldwar.warcrimes

The question begs: are the rest of us to be mere bystanders, claiming, as good Germans did, that “we did not know”? Do we hide ever more behind what Richard Falk has called “a self-righteous, one-way, legal/moral screen [with] positive images of western values and innocence portrayed as threatened, validating a campaign of unrestricted violence”?

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

Finally got that to post – that is a quote from the OpEd and it is an interesting read….

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

more important, I think this has been posted before:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/washington/21fbi.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

13 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

@Proud – hey, I’ve been reading something that made me think of you.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080901/hayes

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

For some reason, I cannot post a NYTimes article from 8/21: New Guidelines Give FBI broader powers. If someone else can get it to post, it is a very worthwhile read for those concerned about where we are headed as a Country.

Please make sure you know where your local representatives stand on this issue.

Please make sure during election season, when hopefully the Average American is reading a bit more, that this stays front and center with your local media.

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

“….A Justice Department plan would loosen restrictions on the Federal Bureau of Investigation to allow agents to open a national security or criminal investigation against someone without any clear basis for suspicion, Democratic lawmakers briefed on the details said Wednesday.

The plan, which could be made public next month, has already generated intense interest and speculation. Little is known about its precise language, but civil liberties advocates say they fear it could give the government even broader license to open terrorism investigations….”

13 09 2008
The EQualizer

What If a “Vice President Palin” Takes over as 45th POTUS?

http://mav-equalizer.blogspot.com/2008/09/what-if-vice-president-palin-takes-over.html

13 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

@ Proud, I haven’t been able to get off my mind the man who was afraid to register.😦

I can hear W saying ‘democracy, democracy, democracy, blah, blah, blah’ …..

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

@AussiePuckMule – thank you! What a heartening read. We just have to get these people to the polls on 11/4. We have to help them understand why ONE VOTE counts and it could be theirs. No time to rest!!!

13 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

@Proud, I read that article earlier. It was creepy.

13 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule
13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

@AussiePuckMule – the one thing this election has taught me….well, actually I have learned a lot:

– I have been too complacent

– I have been too trusting that my Government would have my best interest (Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness) at its core

– I realize there are many people in our country who have been fighting to wake us up for years. . . I remember in College when one of my professors spoke of the Coming Demise of Imperialist America. At first, students were just taken aback by the topic, but his lesson has stayed with me. America is Great. America offers many wonderful things to its citizens, but imperialism is not one of them.

– I have learned people vote for whomever they hear they should vote for…

– I have learned that there are people like me (yeah, Mudflats!!) and YES WE CAN take our Country back

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

@AussiePuckMule – and we wonder why our minorities are scared to vote…..the answer is in the article.

13 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

Proud, I’m glad you liked the article, there are one or two good tips there. If you live near any of the places that have had massive layoffs … I wonder if they still love Bush et al quite so much.😉

13 09 2008
Quiet Advocate

Reading Rep. Gara’s heartfelt letter as an Alaskan politician erases some of my anger over why half of our nation would support someone who condones political deception. It’s good to know that there are Alaskan politicians with integrity. Palin is may be a victim as well, however willingly she is allowing herself to be used by KarlRove, Inc. While she may have known the difference between a lie and truth. she has no other choice but to believe that her lies have become true, and that she is 100% ready to be our next President (not VP). The last two weeks have CLEARLY indiated that Palin does not have what we need in a president: the intellect to quiickly understand assess world events, cultural understanding both nationally and internationally, the ability to work with those having opinions other than our own, and the willingness to seek and live by the truth and integrity.

13 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

Proud, that’s exactly how we in Australia felt last year – We’re taking our country back. And we did! We only just flopped over the line, but we got it back.

YES, YOU CAN!

Patience. And steel.😉

13 09 2008
Laurie

BoobyG…what are trying to do exactly? I am starting to think that you are attempting to stir the pot. Why would that be BobbyG. Please…dont bring another stupid story like that to this site. We dont care.

We decided a long time ago to concentrate on Palin’s non abilities. You know this…yet you come on here with righteous indignation and salacious gossip. I dont care who anyone in that family sleeps with…not my business.

Who are you trying to help by the way?

13 09 2008
John Henry

What a mess! Its Sarah Palin’s mess. She let what looks like a personal vendetta spiral out of control into an ethics and possibly a criminal investigation and most likely into an Alaskan constitutional crisis, if the McCain Campaign has its way, when bottom line, it should have never left Human Resources.

But, more important than that, this is just one more case where I just don’t follow McCain’s reasoning. Most everyone would do some basic accounting before this pick. The expected bounce. That’s a big plus. She’s going to need some training. That’s a minus. She’s under investigation for abuse of power and indictments may come down on October 31st. That’s a GINORMOUS minus. Most sane people would pass at this point. But, HE DID IT ANYWAY! That’s not ‘Mavrik’! That’s idiotic!

His judgment is just lousy. I’m starting to think its even worse than W’s.

13 09 2008
Gina

Les, thank you for the post. It would be nice to see it widely circulated. I grew up in a small town, and I shudder to think of the fallout from the spin machine. Neighbor against neighbor. I’m sorry for your community. However, I think this really points to the fact that a McCain administration will OF COURSE be more of the same. I (almost) feel sorry for Sarah. She should have said no, but I do believe there was some hubris there. Once she said yes she was completely in over her head. I hope the American people come to their senses. It’s not just that we want Sarah “voted off the island”, it’s that choosing her for VP was just a play by McCain. She’s not the only one not qualified to be President.

13 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

@John Henry, I would bet money that Troopergate will stay under the rug until after the election. After that, who cares?

@Gina, I don’t have any sympathy for her at all. If she were asked to run for President instead of VP, do you think she would have “blinked”? Ha!

13 09 2008
Reality Check

A new campaign slogan for McCain posters: “McCain-Pawn”

13 09 2008
Divatalk

Thanks MissKae, that was it!

13 09 2008
antsy

Shame on John McCain and those who (mis)guided him on this selection. Obviously there was no thought process regarding the outcome for her, her family, her town, her state and our country. Why would anyone want McShame to be our President?

13 09 2008
John Henry

“Aussie Puck Mule (05:29:53) :
@John Henry, I would bet money that Troopergate will stay under the rug until after the election. After that, why o cares?”

Its being reported. I read the story in three different papers today. McCain lucked out again though. Ike is the top story today.

I read this Reuters story. It seems like this has already become policy. During the Republican Convention, they arrested some protesters before they even left the house. How can they do that without spying on them?

13 09 2008
A Brit abroad

This morning’s local paper – with a whopping circulation of 16,000 Swedish readers, in one of the country’s most rural regions – led with an editorial about Sarah Palin and the potential risk she may pose to international stability

I was doing the gardening and mulling over how I feel about the whole thing, and I think I that I actually feel insulted – not personally, but as a “citizen of the world” (I dislike the phrase, but can’t think of a better way of putting it right now) and as a woman. McCain’s choice (or Rove’s or whoever was really behind it) is laughable, dangerous and depressing all at the same time. Palin is really not qualified to hold discussions with any international politicians – they won’t be scripted… which is the UK press’s opinion of them:

“Most of Palin’s responses during those interviews seemed carefully scripted, almost a recitation of Republican talking points absorbed during intense cramming sessions with McCain campaign aides.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/13/uselections2008.usa1

Just felt the need to let off a bit off steam…

13 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[I feel like my dirty laundry is being aired – and I didn’t even know it was hanging on the line.]]

I hate it when that happens.

13 09 2008
Aussie Puck Mule

It’s almost Sunday on this side of the world – I know it’s late, I can hear phone porn ads on the TV [barf] – so here is some reading while you await rally reports.

Ballot Box Blues – High Turnout Threatens Turmoil
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/09/ballot-box-blue.html

Naomi Wolf – Fascist America in 10 Easy Steps
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

‘nite

13 09 2008
Diva

Based on the fact that the Governor and her lawyers have shut down the investigation, there is only one conclusion- THAT SHE IS GUILTY.

There is no presumption of innocence here, no “innocent until proven guilty” argument will hold. Palin herself has proven her guilt by shutting down the investigation-one she previously agreed to before McCain’s goon got involved.

That must be the Democratic response. No legal talk, no spin-just facts the “Low Info” voter can understand.

Period. End of Story.

13 09 2008
LJP

Les, Your post just shows us what is at stake. Here we have a state that is responsibly investigating possible abuse of power, in a bipartisan way, and McCain/Rove’s operatives move in to derail the attempt to get at the truth. Look at it this way: if Governor Palin is innocent of the charges, they are derailing an opportunity to clear her name. If she did in fact abuse her power, she would also have an opportunity to explain and make amends to the people of Alaska. But in Rove world, they prefer to lie, stonewall, cover up,and intimidate.

Think of the other major examples: the continuing stonewalling of the investigation into the Justice Department’s firing of (Republican) U.S. attornery, because they would not break the law to help Republican candidates in elections. Or former Alabama governor Don Siegelman, who was tried, convicted, sentenced to seven years and imprisoned because Karl Rove didn’t want a Democrat in the Alabama governor’s seat. He’s out of prison now, pending a retrial that will probably never happen because the Bush Justice Department can’t afford those cats to get out of the bag.

The link in all these cases, including the Palin investigation? Rove will do anything to win an election, to hold onto power. If McCain is elected, you don’t just get four more years of Bush economics and policy, you get four more years of Karl Rove.

Here is the URL to the Siegelman story, for those who want to know more. I have no idea how to make it a link (technochallenged):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830_page2.shtml

13 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[@Gina, I don’t have any sympathy for her at all. If she were asked to run for President instead of VP, do you think she would have “blinked”? Ha!]]

AussiePack, the GOP candidates have become, over the last two decades, cartoon knock-offs of the archetypal John-Wayne character.

A responsible person knows that, on important decisions, it’s imperative that analysis of the pros and cons, and possible outcomes, must be done before a decision can be made. If Sarah Palin really did decide without blinking an eye, then that is the kind of insane recklessness that deserves psychotherapy, not selection as VP.

13 09 2008
rachelbirds

Thanks for the post, Rep.
Gara — we lose perspective
in speculation.

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/september-13-2008-4/

13 09 2008
Manny Mysterio

The GOP makes a big display out of Palin’s first media interview by sheltering her, and she COMPLETELY blows it, yet the polls still trend towards that ticket. What is wrong with our country? Didn’t enough people learn what happens when we screw over ourselves and the world by voting for people we’d like to be friends with? God if this GOP ticket wins the election, I will be so ashamed and disgusted…

13 09 2008
bwilder

AKMuckraker_

Can you submit Rep. Gara’s piece to Huffington Post?
It’s written in a way that clearly defines the situation and
would reach a large audience at HuffPo.

13 09 2008
raingods

I think McCain should change his theme sond to this one from the musical Barnum

The Prince of Humbug.
Balderdash.
Fiddle, Faddle, Drivel, Posh
Twiddle, Twaddle, Blather, Bosh.
Bilge and dodge and double-dutch
And Flim-Flam I am!

The King of Hogwash.
Tommyrot.
Jibber, Jabber, Blabber, Bluff
Hocus-Pocus, Gabble, Guff.
Scam and sham and just a touch
Of white lie am I.

Duke of tripe and idle chat.
Earl of oil, Lord of flat.
Emperor of rigmarole.
That I am, Bless my soul.

The Prince of Humbug.
Poppycock.
Piffle, waffle, panner junk
Hokum, Hooey, chatter, bunk.
Wile and guile and trumpery.
That’s me.

The Prince of Humbug.
Tongue-in-cheek.
Shilly, Shally, pull the wool,
Blarney, bogus, cock and bull.
Hoax and prank and hanky-pank
And some skullduggery.

I am! And damn, I’ll always be!
Yeah!

13 09 2008
Laurie

Sorry to BoobyG. Bobby is a regular poster. My rage is directed at General Bobby Lee.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Open another tab and watch or listen in:

War Crimes Conference

Watch live video Sept. 13 and 14, or recorded video after:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/warcrimesconference

AGENDA FOR THE “JUSTICE ROBERT H. JACKSON CONFERENCE”: PLANNING FOR THE PROSECUTION OF HIGH LEVEL AMERICAN WAR CRIMINALS

September 13 – 14, 2008, Andover, Massachusetts

“The common sense of mankind demands that law shall not stop with the punishment of petty crimes by little people. It must also reach men who possess themselves of great power and make deliberate and concerted use of it to set in motion evils which leave no home in the world untouched.”

* * *

“The Charter of this Tribunal evidences a faith that the law is not only to govern the conduct of little men, but that even rulers are, as Lord Chief Justice Coke put it to King James, ‘under God and the law.'”

* * *

“And let me make clear that while this law is first applied against German aggressors, the law includes, and if it is to serve a useful purpose it must condemn aggression by any other nations, including those which sit here now in judgment.”

AGENDA FOR THE “JUSTICE ROBERT H. JACKSON CONFERENCE”: PLANNING FOR THE PROSECUTION OF HIGH LEVEL AMERICAN WAR CRIMINALS

“The common sense of mankind demands that law shall not stop with the punishment of petty crimes by little people. It must also reach men who possess themselves of great power and make deliberate and concerted use of it to set in motion evils which leave no home in the world untouched.”

* * *

“The Charter of this Tribunal evidences a faith that the law is not only to govern the conduct of little men, but that even rulers are, as Lord Chief Justice Coke put it to King James, ‘under God and the law.'”

* * *

“And let me make clear that while this law is first applied against German aggressors, the law includes, and if it is to serve a useful purpose it must condemn aggression by any other nations, including those which sit here now in judgment.”

From Opening Statement of The Chief Prosecutor, Supreme Justice Robert H. Jackson, at Nuremberg.

“The same disaster has now happened twice in forty years, in Viet Nam and Iraq. It must never happen again. As at Nuremberg, we need to take steps to insure that leaders will never do it again.”
– Lawrence R. Velvel, Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law

You can also get the above and the conference panel schedule here:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/35974

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

@JohnHenry: “It seems like this has already become policy. During the Republican Convention, they arrested some protesters before they even left the house. How can they do that without spying on them?”

This is another great opportunity for an ad and the continuing loss of our constitutional rights, er, what USED to be our Constitutional Rights. I am beginnig to wish I was Obama’s Media Manager!

THIS is what the Rovian Party wants people to forget while they are looking at the shiny new object known as Sarah Palin. By the time people realize what has happened, it will be done. The opportunity, gone. Oh, the Average American has to speak up this election.

VOLUNTEER. DONATE. VOTE.

13 09 2008
Laurie

Perhaps my thinking is skewed. However…if the reublicans think that Sister Sarah is innocent of the charge…then why not hurry up the enquiry…and prove it. Why? Because they know darn well she is as unethical as they are . When it comes to power…well…it does some horrible things to people.

Perhaps at one time Palin was a fine person. She has been drawn in by the thought of being in control of millions Americans. That is a far cry from the few in Wasilla and in Alaska.

This duo is so sad on another level too. No matter what good they think they have to offer….niether of these fools..yes fools…will be in charge of even planning white house menus. ALL decisions will belong to Rove..Schmidt and that bunch.

13 09 2008
JJ

BOBBY LEE-
DO YOU REALLY THINK ANONE GIVES A RIP ABOUT ANY OF THIS B.S.-NO-GO CRAL UNDER A ROCK! GLAD TO SEE WE HAVE SOME BACKING UP THERE IN ALASKA!

OBAMA/BIDEN AND WALK THE HIGH ROAD!

13 09 2008
JJ

CRAWL****SPELLING CORRECTION

13 09 2008
Sydney

Wow! Happy Saturday all. And what a great post! That’s something that should be spread across the googles/internets faster than a pig can put on lipstick.

And if you need a dose of humor those wonderful folks at icanhascheezburger.com has got a whopper for you:
http://punditkitchen.com/

13 09 2008
Laurie

@Proud

I have been thinking a lot, about all the protesters during the Vietnam war. They must be going crazy…watching thier 2008 counterparts being arrested and news media not being on top of that story.

Our Canadian news reported it much more than the US media

13 09 2008
Harley

“Divatalk (04:06:12) :

Does anyone remember the website link which contained the videos for us to get out and go viral. IT was put out by an individual group, but I can’t remember the name of the group. Help!!”

————————————–

Is this one you were referring too ?

http://change-obama08.blogspot.com/2008/09/help-spread-truth-about-mccain.html

13 09 2008
Sydney

Harley: It’s this:
http://www.saysme.tv/front

13 09 2008
Harley

@ Bobby Lee

No one cares about that silly video.
We are intelligent, thoughtful people on Mudflats
and we all know that young man is just having a grab
at his fifteen minutes of fame.

Take your political ploy and go away.
We will not fall for your ” Rovian “ tactics here.
If you want to have thoughtful and respectful debate
about the McCain / Palin vs. Obama / Biden Presidential
campaigns on the relevant and important issues
that are facing everyday Americans, please feel free to do so.

Otherwise, take your smut and leave please.

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Oh, goodness gracious, McCain has taken over the electoral college votes on the 538.com website.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

War Crimes

Open another tab and watch or listen in:

War Crimes Conference

Watch live video Sept. 13 and 14, or recorded video after:

AGENDA FOR THE “JUSTICE ROBERT H. JACKSON CONFERENCE”: PLANNING FOR THE PROSECUTION OF HIGH LEVEL AMERICAN WAR CRIMINALS

September 13 – 14, 2008, Andover, Massachusetts

“The common sense of mankind demands that law shall not stop with the punishment of petty crimes by little people. It must also reach men who possess themselves of great power and make deliberate and concerted use of it to set in motion evils which leave no home in the world untouched.”

* * *

“The Charter of this Tribunal evidences a faith that the law is not only to govern the conduct of little men, but that even rulers are, as Lord Chief Justice Coke put it to King James, ‘under God and the law.'”

* * *

“And let me make clear that while this law is first applied against German aggressors, the law includes, and if it is to serve a useful purpose it must condemn aggression by any other nations, including those which sit here now in judgment.”

* * *

From Opening Statement of The Chief Prosecutor, Supreme Justice Robert H. Jackson, at Nuremberg.

“The same disaster has now happened twice in forty years, in Viet Nam and Iraq. It must never happen again. As at Nuremberg, we need to take steps to insure that leaders will never do it again.”
– Lawrence R. Velvel, Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law

You can also get the above and the conference panel schedule here

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Oh, goodness gracious, McCain has taken over the electoral college votes on the 538.com website.

Now I am beginning to panic.

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Sorry for the duplicate post – I don’t quite understand why this happens.

13 09 2008
Harley

No worries Susie, its not going to happen.
You will see.

I went to RealClearPolitics and in the electoral map with No Tossups Map in play, Obama is still in play and ahead.

Polls are bogus anyway.

As long as those vicious and racist Republicans do not block votes this year,
and as long as we continue to rally to get people registered, we shall prevail.

remember that polls are only conducted via landlines.
In this vast information technology era, those polls mean bupkis.

The young voters and the ethnic voters will be the ” deciders ” this year.

All we need to do is keep the republicans honest when it comes to couting votes and we are in like Flint.

No small task, as the corrupt and deceitful republicans will pull out all the stops to makes sure peoples vote don’t count.

At least the votes of the people they deem as ” not quite up too snuff ”
if you catch my drift.

13 09 2008
Harley

Sorry about my typos, just woke up and not quite fully nimble yet.

13 09 2008
Harley

Thanks Sydney !

I had not seen that one!

Kudos !

13 09 2008
From England

What a sad sad day…….from Politico:

“Every day not talking about the economy, the war and how to fix a broken system is a victory for McCain,” said John Weaver, a former top strategist to the nominee who left the campaign last year. “They’re going to ride it as long as they can and as long as the mainstream media puts up every ridiculous charge.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13412_Page1.html

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Open another tab and watch or listen in:

War Crimes Conference

Watch live video Sept. 13 and 14, or recorded video after:

AGENDA FOR THE “JUSTICE ROBERT H. JACKSON CONFERENCE”: PLANNING FOR THE PROSECUTION OF HIGH LEVEL AMERICAN WAR CRIMINALS

September 13 – 14, 2008, Andover, Massachusetts

From Opening Statement of The Chief Prosecutor, Supreme Justice Robert H. Jackson, at Nuremberg.

“The same disaster has now happened twice in forty years, in Viet Nam and Iraq. It must never happen again. As at Nuremberg, we need to take steps to insure that leaders will never do it again.”
– Lawrence R. Velvel, Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law

You can also get the above and the conference panel schedule here

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Responses are hitting the ‘dead-e’ box again!!

13 09 2008
Harley

Much was discussed on Bill Maher last night as well.
I have placed the full show here:
http://change-obama08.blogspot.com/2008/09/real-time-with-bill-mahr-september-10.html

Its quite a watch.

I had to wait until today to see the show as I do not get the show
with my cable line-up, but I always watch via the interwebs.

13 09 2008
lemonfair

I comment on another blog (under another name) and it really is true that trolls mostly go away when they’re ignored. Watchword: Don’t feed the trolls. Once they’re identified as such, that is.

13 09 2008
Stacie B

13 09 2008
Stacie B

OK let’s try this again….Please forward this on to everyone one you know!

13 09 2008
Harley

http://www.myspace.com/bmartinsounds

Make a difference!

Take Responsibility!

I challenge all of you to listen to this and help make a change!

Hear this kid’s song “if you (have a voice)”…the Best New wake up call for America and the world we affect!

We need everyone to make this happen. Do your part.

13 09 2008
swineprincess

Hi guys… sorry to go off topic, but I have a lot of interest in the hurricane in Houston right now… in recent days we’ve had a number of posters from Houston. things are pretty bad… power is out all over the city — over 2 million people without power, people wading neck-deep water in Galveston to get to shelters while other neighborhoods in Galveston just burn because the fire department can’t get there — I know it sounds like Katrina all over again… The TV news stations are streaming live from Houston if you want more than you can get from your TV… http://www.khou.com/video/?nvid=178826&live=yes&noad=yes is CBS, http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/livenow?id=6384042

I have heard from one friend a tree fell on her house but she is OK and still able to be in the house… she was NOT in a mandatory evac area. I can’t get in touch with my brother (who also didn’t live in a mandatory evac area)

Sorry for the temporary hijacking… pray for our friends and families. Thanks

13 09 2008
Gina

Political Amazon, I agree – she is mentally ill. If the stakes were low I would truly feel sorry for her, not (almost). With the situation as grave as it is, I’m scared to death. She should seek counseling (not from McCain’s team) and do the responsible thing: Step down. She needs a long retreat with her family. Am I holding my breath? No.

13 09 2008
Mollys Mum

I am beginning to think that my patrician, British Dad was right, God rest his soul. He used to claim that the only workable form of government was benevolent dictatorship. If McCain and Palin are elected, I think I will lose my faith in the Democratic system. Has 8 years of disastrous government under a “good ol boy” you can have a beer with not taught the populace anything??

If the majority of people choose to elect a mediocre, or worse, dangerous president because they are blinded by flash and immune to the issues or serious thought about them, they completely deserve what they get.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Lets try again, I’ve tried posting this 4or5 times and it won’t go:

There’s a War Crimes Conference being held today and tomorrow, you can watch it live now or taped later, you might find it interesting.

Watch live video Sept. 13 and 14, or recorded video after:

You can get further information and conference schedule at After Downing Street

13 09 2008
Gina

Hi Molly’s Mum!

I’m 20 miles up the palisades from the GW.

13 09 2008
Harley

SP, I have been praying for days for Texas.
God Bless You SP

13 09 2008
King Baeksu

John McCain’s top national security advisor is Randy Scheunemann, who was also a lobbyist for Georgia until he was forced to sever ties earlier this year due to a “conflict of interest.”

He is also listed as a “Project Director” for the Project for the New American Century, a high-profile neocon think tank:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm

Remember the neocons? They are the folks who helped formulate the infamous Bush Doctrine which has now sent even Gov. Palin’s eldest son directly into harm’s way.

You can be sure that Randy Scheunemann helped prep and coach Palin for her ABC interview, hence the ultrahawkish neocon line she held on Iran, Russia, Georgia, Israel and “Islamic terrorists.”

AKMuckraker, we hope that you can inform your readers up there in Alaska that the governor of your state has been highjacked by the war-crazy neocons.

Given Alaska’s well-known proximity to Russia, I wonder how the citizens of your great state feel about having their governor suddenly spewing such provocative and belligerent rhetoric towards the mighty Russian bear?

For someone who promises to bring “change” to Washington, she sure is dancing to the neocon tune pretty well and pretty soon, and it sure is scary.

More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_a_New_American_Century#Project_directors

13 09 2008
Harley

Excellent article about the ” faces ” of the campaigns.

Why oh why oh why does America not see this?

13 09 2008
Harley

oops forgot the link

http://dailyrevolution.net/?p=2274

13 09 2008
King Baeksu

John McCain’s top national security advisor is Randy Scheunemann, who was also a lobbyist for Georgia until he was forced to sever ties earlier this year due to a “conflict of interest.”

He is also listed as a “Project Director” for the Project for the New American Century, a high-profile neocon think tank:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm

Remember the neocons? They are the folks who helped formulate the infamous Bush Doctrine which has now sent even Gov. Palin’s eldest son directly into harm’s way.

You can be sure that Randy Scheunemann helped prep and coach Palin for her ABC interview, hence the ultrahawkish neocon line she held on Iran, Russia, Georgia, Israel and “Islamic terrorists.”

AKMuckraker, we hope that you can inform your readers up there in Alaska that the governor of your state has been highjacked by the war-crazy neocons.

Given Alaska’s well-known proximity to Russia, I wonder how the citizens of your great state feel about having their governor suddenly spewing such provocative and belligerent rhetoric towards the mighty Russian bear?

For someone who promises to bring “change” to Washington, she sure is dancing to the neocon tune pretty well and pretty soon, and it sure is scary.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Open another tab and watch or listen in:

War Crimes Conference

Watch live video Sept. 13 and 14, or recorded video after:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/warcrimesconference

From Opening Statement of The Chief Prosecutor, Supreme Justice Robert H. Jackson, at Nuremberg.

“The same disaster has now happened twice in forty years, in Viet Nam and Iraq. It must never happen again. As at Nuremberg, we need to take steps to insure that leaders will never do it again.”
– Lawrence R. Velvel, Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law

More info and conference schedule can be found here
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/35974

13 09 2008
swineprincess

Just saw on KHOU that Barak is not going to be on Saturday Night Live tonight because of the hurricane… no other info…

13 09 2008
antiAnti

Les,

Please write for the main stream media as well. You tell the story with facts and heart, it is a powerful combination. Please make sure your words reach as many people as possible.

I am currently baby-stepping my brother-in-law (highly intelligent scientist) through the facts about Palin. He is still thinking “the press is picking on Palin”. So I need all the help I can get.

13 09 2008
ds55

I like the Palin Watch/Coward Clock on this page that someone linked earlier. It’s easy to copy and embed on your own website. I put it on my MySpace page.
http://change-obama08.blogspot.com/2008/09/help-spread-truth-about-mccain.html

13 09 2008
Susan

I have some information that might make you feel better. I live in a southern state that’s usually solidly Republican but some have said is “in play” in this election. Also, I live in an area of the state that is, to put it bluntly, kind of “redneck” (nothing against rednecks; it’s just an effective way to describe us). A place where you still occasionally see a Confederate flag displayed.

I drive all over the place, taking my kids to school, sports, and errands, and here’s the good news. I have only seen three McCain yard signs and one McCain bumper sticker. Let me repeat: across three towns, only three signs and one bumper sticker. I started thinking the other day that was weird because during the past two elections, there were Bush signs proudly displayed all over the place.

Here’s my theory: many die-hard Republicans are going to vote for Obama. They can’t advertise that fact to their neighbors, but in the privacy of the voting booth they’re going to pull the lever for Obama/Biden. If they truly didn’t want Obama to win, they’d have those McCain signs out there. Even if they don’t like McCain but still planned on voting Republican, they could display their signs in support of the GOP. Secretly, they’re hoping for Obama to win.

13 09 2008
Heidi

AKM, can you shed some light on this:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/12/am.ed.koch.obama.cnn

In this CNN interview with former NY Mayor Ed Koch, he stated that Palin’s wanting to ban books at her local library scared him, and the CNN reporter stated that CNN had debunked that. Is this true? I haven’t heard anything along those lines.

13 09 2008
Harley

On the subject of abortion, Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president (by which you also have to say, possible future president) has famously said that were her daughter raped and impregnated, “I would choose life” – taken as a statement that she would not allow her underage daughter to have an abortion….

That in hand, consider this bulletin (sorry, no available link) today from the Idaho Falls Post Register:

A St. Anthony man has pleaded guilty to raping and impregnating his girlfriend’s 10-year-old daughter. Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez entered the plea today as part of a deal with Fremont County prosecutors. In exchange for pleading guilty to one felony count of rape, prosecutors dropped two other rape charges. Gutierrez-Juarez and Isabel Chasarez were arrested earlier this year after the victim gave birth at a local hospital.

A question Charles Gibson might consider asking Palin: What should the legal penalty imposed on that 10-year-old girl – incarceration or otherwise – have been had she wanted/been allowed not to bring that rapist’s child to term?

You could also ask what opportunity a 10-year old has for access to abortion services in a small town like St. Anthony, Idaho.

These are the extreme stories, the stories that will become more common if the Bush/McCain/Palin war against women continues unabated. From limiting our access to birth control to vowing to overturn Roe v. Wade and getting ever closer to the SCOTUS majority that would do it, women’s reproductive rights are more endangered than ever.

Not all the stories are so extreme or so disturbing, but no woman’s life and life choices is less critical than Christy’s and that poor child in Idaho. If there’s anything to make the mothers, sisters, daughters–and yes–fathers, sons, and brothers in this country think twice about their vote this fall, it should be that 10-year-old girl.
REFERENCE LINK :
http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2008/09/09/what-except-life-of-the-mother-means/
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13 09 2008
whabs

Good Morning!
Last night I was thinking what a HUGE debt we owe to AKMuckraker. No matter what happens or how this plays out, she has shown the courage of her convictions. Someone mentioned…what happens if Sarah doesn’t win and has to go back to Alaska?

I would like to nominate this blog and it’s author for a blog award, only my damn confirmation e-mail is missing. Can I please ask you good people to consider this and check out this site. I suck at code, so here is the cheaters way http://www.bloggerschoiceawards.com/

13 09 2008
whabs

See I told you I suck at code **sob** who’s got a tutorial?
Anyway nominations are open.

13 09 2008
From England
13 09 2008
makeitgoaway

Interesting observation about the dearth of McCain/Palin signage/buttons/bumper stickers, etc on the landscape. I live in Tucson and I can count one McCain/Palin bumper sticker I’ve seen..no yard signs…and zero buttons. That wasnt the case with the last two elections where I saw countless ‘W’ stickers on bumpers.

Conversely I have seen a number of Obama bumper stickers and some yard signage as well. I’m hoping that means something. Arizona is expected to go to McCain but I will be working the University populations to get that vote out and reverse that possibility. I think thats our real hope in this election.

13 09 2008
Laurie

@Heidi….CNN is doing what many others have tried to do.

1.) NO….Palin did not give a list books
2.) She didnt publicy declare her desire to ban books.
3.) She asked the librarian HOW she could go about doing it. The librarian said she would never do such a thing.

What CNN doesnt report, is that consequently the librarian was given an letter of intent of termination for not supporting the mayor. The townspeople came out in support of the librarian…Palin rescinded the letter.

She did however…want to ban books.

13 09 2008
antsy

@Heidi

Anderson Cooper keeps saying that because CNN debunked the assertion that she actually had a list of books and tried to ban them. The way I understand it is Palin asked the librarian if there was a policy on removing certain books. Seems obvious what she was getting at.

13 09 2008
king1876

i wanna c how all this stuff in the us go end up
http://king1876.wordpress.com/

13 09 2008
Harley

Webb Calls For Congressional Approval

lets see if my code works and also please read

It is important too

13 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

When was the last time McCain had a town hall meeting? When was the last time he actually told the American people how he was going to truly help them? When? It’s been over 30 days! In the last 30 days he has held only 1 town hall meeting and only one press conference!

Now is that the change you want?

13 09 2008
J T

You know, it really is amazing the degree of civility and thoughtfulness of the posters on this site. Credit goes to the example set by AKMuckraker. I know others have expressed the sentiment, yet I too would like to wiegh in, cuddos AKMuckraker and to all the fellow Mudflat contributors, you’ve all helped raise the bar in internet dialogue. It is a light of hope in uncertain times. Thank you.

13 09 2008
Anonymous

McCoward – look in the mirror. You have sold your soul to the devil himself . The train to hell is acomin’ . Rove is the engineer – you are a mere hobo along for the ride.

13 09 2008
J T

I believe Palin successfully spun her way out of the book banning story. They used the silly book list as “proof” the story was not true. In the beginning there was no list, and when one appeared, it was immediately debunked due to the titles. The list was the red herring, to throw everyone off the scent.

I believe the original version. Censorship was on her mind. Why should we believe her story, has she shown a penchant for truth telling since she entered this race? Awe yes, that infamous Bridge and Jet…and how she deplores earmarks!

13 09 2008
misskae

Off topic but thought this a great idea:
http://gratitudecampaign.org

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

AKM, first, good luck today at the rallies! Have fun and be safe. We’ll all look forward to reading your reports.

Representative Gara, thank you so much for your piece. I really appreciate that you stuck to the facts and even pointed out that although some of this certainly lies with Governor Palin, the bulk of blame falls to the McCain camp. Guilty or not or proven or unproven is not even the issue. As for the campaign based on a platform of reform and transparency? Not so much.

Thank you both again, and also to everyone else here.

13 09 2008
Harley

@ whabs

here is a quick and dirty tutorial for you on how to post the links the way you want too. I made it fast as I am in the middle of baking cookies, but its pretty straight-forward

Code For text Links On Mudflats

13 09 2008
Raingods

Good luck at the rallies, my thoughts will be with all of you there!

Harley, I hope you have enough cookies for everyone!

13 09 2008
Laurie

Feeling a tad depressed…went looking for some humour…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ymHdbd_tU

13 09 2008
J T

Susan, in response to the concept of the closet Obama voters, there is another option. Many of them might simply skip the election, or vote for an Independent. My husband is not crazy about Obama, and does not like McCain. He feels morally outraged that he has to vote on the lesser of what he considers two evils. He insists he is voting for an Independent. I have been trying to convince him not to waste his vote, and hopefully when he gets into the voting booth he will go with Omama. I know he definately will not go for McCain.

I do wonder how this election will play out if all those Republicans, who aren’t the far right (and I know LOTS) will respond when in the privacy of the voting booth. While they may refuse to go Democrat (especially those who are racists challenged) they may assert their displeasure with their party by voting Independent.

What will happen to those Independent Electorial votes??

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

J T (07:12:44) :

I believe Palin successfully spun her way out of the book banning story. They used the silly book list as “proof” the story was not true. In the beginning there was no list, and when one appeared, it was immediately debunked due to the titles. The list was the red herring, to throw everyone off the scent.

I believe the original version. Censorship was on her mind. Why should we believe her story, has she shown a penchant for truth telling since she entered this race? Awe yes, that infamous Bridge and Jet…and how she deplores earmarks!

JT, I agree that some will dismiss it. I do appreciate though that Gibson stuck to what’s been proven — with this and with everything. At this point, even though most of us believe that at the very least that she gave grief to the librarian in question, there is no hard evidence that I’m aware of. As for conclusions, everyone will reach their own — and for a lot of us, just knowing that she asked even a hypothetical question on more than one occasion (at least twice, and perhaps three times) is pretty telling. Either her intentions were more or she’s just not so swift to assimilate information and is a sloooow learner. And from what I’ve seen on TV, Governor Palin is no slow learner!

13 09 2008
antiAnti

The news article from Dec 18, 1996 regarding the book incident

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/13/breaking_news/doc48c1c8a60d6d9379155484.txt

The librarian said “Palin asked her on Oct. 28 if she would object to censorship, even if people were circling the library in protest about a book. ”


just a rhetorical question!!!!!!

13 09 2008
Harley

Ok first batch is out, second is baking.
Smelling good in here !

Testing a link with rollover text to see if it works on mudflats
( it all depends on what site admins allow BTW folks )

If it works I will show you how.

Palin Is Pathological

13 09 2008
Harley

works a charm ! place your mouse on the link above and some words should appear describing what you will be reading about if you go to that link.

This is done so people can decide if they want too click on it or not.

BB in a few with the code for anyone who wants it.

13 09 2008
Susan

J T, when you said “My husband is not crazy about Obama, and does not like McCain” I think we’re married to the same man! Those are my husband’s feelings also. But I think he’s more afraid of what McCain might do, than just not being crazy about Obama so I’m hoping he’ll vote Obama.

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

King Baeksu (06:46:34) :

John McCain’s top national security advisor is Randy Scheunemann, who was also a lobbyist for Georgia until he was forced to sever ties earlier this year due to a “conflict of interest.”

Yes, and he has close ties to CUFI as well:

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=1342

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/13/14639/6955/142/56736

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

*Off topic*

One of my dear friends in Miami sent me this link, and for those of you in L.A., there looks to be an interesting conference:

http://www.christianzionism.org/

13 09 2008
swineprincess

I just nominated Mudflats on Best Blogs…. it is up on front page and available for voting

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

Interesting article.

Justice Barracuda?Why John McCain should put Sarah Palin on the Supreme Court

http://www.slate.com/id/2199931/

Sarah Palin is well aware of the awesome power of the courts. That’s why, when the Alaska Supreme Court struck down a controversial abortion restriction last year by a 3-2 margin, she excoriated them for “legislating from the bench,” named a new justice to the court, and pushed for the passage of an even harsher version of the same law, explicitly intended—said its sponsor—”to overturn (the Alaska Supreme Court).” Gov. Palin understands the fundamental tediousness of constitutional checks and balances. She knows that if a court gets it wrong, you just build a better one.

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

As I read your posts, I am so heartened that we have the power of intellect and numbers on our side!

To a point that one of the commentators made on CNN last week – this is a daily war. We have less than 60 days to make a difference. I have made myself a daily task in my Outlook to help make a difference. Hogwash to that article that states bloggers just talk to ourselves – although it is entertaining. I get extra credit points today because I’m doing two things:

– attending Carolina Cook-Out
– Hosting a dinner at our home for undecided friends

So I’m off to clean – the Powder Room is definitely calling! Good luck today in Alaska. You are in thoughts. What are you going to do today to make a difference?

13 09 2008
swineprincess

sorry here’s the link again http://www.bloggerschoiceawards.com/

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Last night I asked on another thread if anyone knew when Obama merchandise, as a result of a donation, might arrive – I WANT MY T-SHIRT.

Anyway, this a.m. a message from the campaign showed up in my e-mail saying that it would be in the mail by the end of the month. Wish it would come earlier, but I can wait.

Would it be wishful thinking to believe that someone from the campaign is viewing Mudflats AND responded? Or was it just pure coincidence?

Sorry, Harley, that code is above and beyond me. 😉

13 09 2008
antsy

@Proud2BUSA

My daughter is hosting a Debate Watch wine and cheese party on Sept 26th

13 09 2008
Divatalk

I want to know where is the librarian? Will she speak up and clear everything up?

13 09 2008
antsy

Susie in Jersey
I got that email this morning, too.

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@antiAnti re: book banning incident:

Yes, but it’s still hearsay — a she said/she said situation. It can’t be disputed that it happened, but why it did can be. Some will believe it and some will dismiss it. Doesn’t help to persuade people either with the librarian not speaking to the media but I espect her desire for privacy at this time. I believe it! But some won’t.

13 09 2008
Kim

Hello,

This is my first time to post on any blog. I have been reading and wathcing as much as I can on this election becuase I believe it is the most important election in my lifetime, one that can truly change the course of our country.

There were many statements Sarah Palin made in her interview on ABC that scared me. The one that made my hair stand up on end was when Charlie Gibson asked if she thought she had the qualifications to be Vice President. “… I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can’t blink, you have to wired in a way of being so <committed to the mission, the mission that we’re on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can’t blink.” From the moment of her selection, the McCain campaign changed its message from experience to reforming government, not reforming the country.

This stament in light of what she said to the youth at her former chruch in Wasilla in regard to her work as Governor, ” I can do my job here … but really all that stuff doen’t do any good if the people of Alaska’s heart isn’t right with God .. we can work together to make sure that God’s will be done here.” ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=bZzLL4Dio3w&feature=related)

shows me her true reason for wanting to be VP.

I will be voting Obama/ Biden for the change we need!

13 09 2008
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13 09 2008
King Baeksu

Thanks for the link, Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat:

“Speaking at last year’s [CUFI] conference, McCain told the crowd that the only thing worse than a military confrontation with Iran was a “nuclear armed Iran,” and that the “regime must understand that it cannot win a showdown with the world.” Since the NIE’s release, McCain has been in the ranks of those dismissive of it. His campaign’s director of foreign policy, Randy Scheunemann, told me Wednesday that “a careful reading of the NIE indicates that it is misleading.” Scheunemann also said that McCain has been critical of the intelligence community for trying to “make policy” with the NIE. “There can be no doubt that the NIE harmed our efforts to achieve a greater diplomatic consensus” to crack down on Iran, he said.”

Listen to the terrifying voice of Gov. Palin’s Svengali, folks!

13 09 2008
Lulu

Amused & Bewildered wrote: “Either her intentions were more or she’s just not so swift to assimilate information and is a sloooow learner. And from what I’ve seen on TV, Governor Palin is no slow learner!”

Hello, all. I think Gov. Palin is a remedial learner. Let’s call it as it is. She linked 9/11 to Iraq in the Gibson interview, even though Bush himself no longer uses that meme. (Did one of Bush’s old speechwriters forget that Bush has admitted that to be untrue? Or why doesn’t Palin know this?) It took her 2 weeks to stop repeating the Bridge to Nowhere lie.

I love Alaska, and have even been to Wasilla. I want to pose this question, with respect, to Rep. Gara, AKM, and other Alaskans. Is it possible that you have all been conned by Gov. Palin and are only now truly finding out who she truly is? She is a 44-year-old woman, not a neophyte. How can she become suddenly become a “Rovian pawn”? Don’t you think she deserves to be seen as she truly is: as a ruthless GOP operative who will gladly throw her children, Alaskan “ethics,” and anyone-and-anything else under the bus as she reaches for the ultimate power grab?

I look forward to your responses and I thank you for answering.

13 09 2008
Divatalk

What is the strategy for keeping the repubs honest (which is not possible). I have read so many articles about various ways of keeping people from voting?

I feel like I live in a communist country.

They’ve gone from killing to prevent from voting during the 60s to sending out invalid ballots to Ohio and Florida, to sending defective voting machines in certain areas.

Some students in VA were told they had to vote where they live and they could not use their school or dorm address. Rock the Vote has registered 1.4 million voters.

It turns out they were wrong, of course, but are not making any major effort to correct the misinformation which was given.

What can be done?

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

@Kim –

Welcome!!!! I hope other voters are listening as openly as you are. I have been an Independent most of my life, but I cannot throw my vote away this election.

On another topic (I was trying to find Repub’s BD’s so we could donate to the Obama campaign in their honor….) –

Karl Rove Birthday is December 25! So that’s it – HE’s their Second Coming. These people scare the living beejeebers out of me.

13 09 2008
TheraP

I simply want to add my voice to express the outrage I also feel for how both mcShame and his partner in Shame, with whom he votes 90% of the time, have led our nation and our states into such divisiveness, such personal and bitter partisanship, such a yawning and ever-growing cavern between good people of every stripe, who have become enemies in this culture war… started by people like rove and bush and continued by mcSame!

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@Lulu

LOL, I understand what you mean, Lulu. I think it depends on how you define “learner”. In this case, I was not referring to her ability to actually understand, but her ability to study and pick up facts. “Learner” as in parrot. You can teach a parrot to speak but it doesn’t mean it understands what it’s saying!! In this respect, I don’t think she’s remedial at all.

13 09 2008
ds55

@ Susie in Jersey: I ordered a bunch of Obama winter gear back in June when it was on sale/out-of-season. I’m ready for November!

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

To clarify my last post (I wish there was an editing function! :-() I shouldn’t have said study. She’s not studying herself — she is memorizing and reciting the facts as she’s been given. She even takes the opportunity to throw things in to show what she knows (been told), even when it’s out of context to the conversation at hand.

13 09 2008
JJ

ONE MAY WANT TO EXAMINE THE STATEMENT THAT PALIN GAVE CONCERNING HER DAUGHTER: ” PALINsaid that were her daughter raped and impregnated, “I would choose life” -NOW LETS EXAMINE THIS. HER DAUGHTER IS RAPED, AND SHE WOULD MAKE THE DECISION FOR HER DAUGHTER? SHE IS ONLY ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR HERSELF WERE SHE RAPED, NOT FOR HER DAUGHTER. I AM FULLY CONVINCED PALIN WOULD ATTEMPT TO PASS LAWS THAT WOULD EFFECT ALL WOMEN WERE SHE GIVEN THE OPPERTUNITY, THUS, SHE WOULD MAKE THE CHOICE FOR WOMEN TO CARRY A BABY UNDER ANY AND AALL CIRCUMSTANCES. HITLARIAN I’D SAY!

13 09 2008
lavndrblueMN

I have been reading this blog since Sarah Palin became McSame’s running mate and have passed on to all on my congressional district listserve. I do hope they are reading this blog. Keep up the good work and continue help get Obama’s message out. We need hope not fear; we need change, not the same Bush/Cheney/Rove policies. And I do think if McCain/Palin are elected we lose our country forever. Palin’s message that she put forth in her interview with Charlie Gibson was that she wanted to reform the country, which means in code to the evangelical base reforming in line with James Dobson, Tony Perkins, and Jerry Fallwell. She is an evangelical neo-conservative, believe me I know the M.O., my congressional representative is Palin’s twin Michele Bachmann. They look and sound great on the outside but have every intention to move our country into a theocracy.
The numbers will only come if we can stop the GOP from purging the voter rolls which is happening as we speak. Don’t get comfortable with what numbers you may think we have. Just like 2000 and 2004 the GOP will do anything to win. If Palin and McSame are exposed for how the really want to change our country, we have a better chance of changing undecided voters.

What I want to know is why is Palin so popular in Alaska?
Cathy in MN

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Earlier this week (or maybe late last week, who can remember), I posted about a poll on a website I visit that asked which candidate members thought would win the election – Obama was the choice.

A new poll question is now up: Who are you going to vote for?

The responses are Obama/Biden 47%, McCain/Palin 26%, 3rd party candidate 9%, 4% are not planning to vote and the remaining percentage can’t vote in the election.

That’s heartening, at least.

13 09 2008
Jane

I am here to say that I am a life long Republican that will be pulling the lever for Obama. He really inspires me. And my husband too. We cannot stand what the Republican party has done to this country the past 8 years. John McCain in nothing but a liar and I will never again think of him as a man of character. Yes, my taxes will go up (income over $250) but I want to see ALL Americans catch a break. The divide is just becoming too wide. What is sad to me, many of our friends with large incomes will vote for McCain, not because they like and respect him, but because they won’t pay as much in taxes. We are just two votes, but they are in Florida!

13 09 2008
Laurie

@amazed. I am tired I know…but surely you were joking/?? Since when did journalists (not even sure she is quialified for that) get nominated to the Supreme Court

13 09 2008
Deb

thank you Jane… a lot of us are hoping Florida will actually can come around and be COUNTED!

13 09 2008
KC, Seattle

Please forward this article to any news agency you can think of. This is the most intelligent response to the whole issue of Troopergate.
The McCain camp is saying this investigation is being controlled by the Democrats. We need to attack this lie.

13 09 2008
Lulu

Re: the Hannity interview. Do you think hear the incessant repetition of the name “Sean” as she answers him? “Sean….listen, Sean…Sean, I mean…Sean, did you know….Sean….”

Todd must hear her say his name all day long.

@Amused & Bewildered. Now I can see the parrot thing you are talking about!

13 09 2008
lavndrblueMN

One other thing, why is it okay in Alaska to hunt wolves from the air and offer a bounty? That is horrible and the legislators that voted in favor and Palin are brutal and un-human. I have seen video footage and those in favor of this should be ashamed. JMO.

I’m sure there will those that bash me for my opinion, but what does it say about we as humans if we brutally kill off other species that share our planet?

13 09 2008
Rabbler

Speaking of Rove, how about that super-slimy McCain ad that lies about Obama promoting sex education for kindergarteners? The ad is a direct attempt to tap into collective unconscious fears about race. If that strategy wins then this country is toast! The devolvement into a second rate nation will continue apace. I hope Americans step up and do the right thing.

13 09 2008
Deb

they get away with it because the argument is that it protects OTHER wildlife that they actually want to shoot as “game” ie. not fair if the wolves kill em before we can!!

13 09 2008
antsy

@lavndrblueMN

Even worse – the state pays a bounty if killers bring in a paw from the dead wolf. Disgusting.

13 09 2008
Harley

I know there have been some great posts since I posted about a half hour ago.

I am about to get company so I just wanted to add this to help those of you with the links who asked a few posts back.

To post a link with a rollover text like this one:

Obama Biden 08

Have a look HEREhere to see how to do it.

Happy blogging my Mudflatian friends.

Give em hell ! BBL

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@ lavndrblueMN – as I’ve learned on here and from doing additional research, a lof of her popularity has to do with what came before. Alaska has had a history of govenernment corruption. Reserach the last Governor (the incumbent she won against) and Senator Ted Stevens, etc. Just to name 2.

@Laurie – I am in no way advocating Palin for the Supreme Court, LOL. Read the article. It contains some nice little tidbits, including the one I bolded. Whether you think the person who wrote the article (it’s from Newsweek) is really making a case for her being on the Supreme Court is subjective. I read it quickly so I can’t say I’m sure myself but that’s besides the point. It contains plenty of reasons why she should NOT be Vice President of the United States.

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13 09 2008
Lulu

Or…or maybe (continuing from my post above), she says to him, “First Dude….please help me carry this. First Dude, dinner! First Dude, please read that e-mail I just cc’d you on official government business! First Dude, time to jog with me…”

13 09 2008
Lulu

Pop singer PINK on Palin:”If I were writing a letter to Sarah Palin,” Pink told PopEater during her Sessions taping on Thursday, “it would be a lot of whys and hows. Who are you? Do you know? Why do you hate animals? Please point out Iraq on a map …”
What scares Pink are women who consider the Alaska governor’s selection a feminist victory. “This woman hates women,” the singer said. “She is not a feminist. She is not the woman that’s going to come behind Hillary Clinton and do anything that Hillary Clinton would’ve been capable of … I can’t imagine overturning Roe vs. Wade. She’s not of this time. The woman terrifies me.”
Pink, an animal rights activist, suggests creatures other than humans should be just as scared of Palin: “I can’t imagine shooting a wolf out of a helicopter.”

13 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline

This is off topic but perhaps someone can clear this up for me? It really doesn’t make any difference as to the importance in the greater scheme of Cosmic enlightenment on this wonderful Blog and the existence of all you fine people who have shown up here in this maelstrom, but there seem to be confusing comments here and there in the various posts. Perhaps I have missed some revelations in the deluge of worldwide posts night after night since the Cosmic disorientation of Fateful Friday. So here it is:

Does our dear friend AKM pee standing up or sitting down? From what I had read in the early posts regarding the photo tour I thought AKM was a guy married to an Alaskan woman. Now various posters allude to the fact that it really is Ms. AKM Muckraker.

Whether peeing standing up or sitting down, we all here agree that AKM has a future well past November 4th, 2008. This following will stay with him/her and him/her will probably be able to travel the Lower 48 and get free meals, vitamins, and milkshakes in every town and city marked by the readership here.

So can someone set me straight on this so I can get the correct visual as to the chromosomal reality of our dear friend AKM?

Just ask’in.

13 09 2008
Cherie Clark

I had a great Saturday morning reading the blog today. Like many of you I found it the day after or around that time when we first heard of SP. I thought today’s post was particularly beneficial in understanding what is going on and that we are indeed facing the same Republican tactic’s that we did in the past. I am NOT going to watch the Hannity interview. I have never watched Charlie Gibson in the past but certainly thought that he did a fairly good job considering what he had to work with. Not a single interview, etc. Networks obviously are being careful so that they will be ‘selected’ to get the interviews and high ratings. What a way to run a country, or an election in a country. I cannot imagine that we would rate high on anyone’s list of how to run a democracy, too much stage craft in the selection process. This is not all about answering as fast as you can with as many words possible. I watched SP’s interviews thoughtfully and got lost in the answers, as did Charlie Gibson. I am a long time Obama supporter but do wonder what all was edited out. So I did go to the blog vote list and registered and voted for mudlfats as I would like to see this blog get as much attention as it deserves as the blog is fair and informative and the comments are as well. I wonder if it would be possible to comment more about Bobby Lee’s comment or do delete it. Many new people come to this blog daily I am sure and if I were to look at it I might think… Oh just more of the same ! But as it is this is one of the best comment sections. Good luck to the two women who are trying to show their husband the light and how to vote. How about showing a copy of the family check book? or point out that people like me have worked real hard all of our lives, I am an RN, but had a knee replacement last year that did not work out, I have no health care at all, not a dollar, and I am watching my world become increasingly bleak. I have great hope though that things will work out and that perhaps the MSM will catch up with the rest of us. I go to Real Clear Politic’s each day and the articles that are featured always lean right with only a few today addressing the real problems with Palin. I still try to imagine what might have happened had Barack missed the Bush Doctorine question. To me it wasn’t just the fact she did not know it was her arrogant behaviour as she searched for the answer. This scares me, she scares me. I hope that somehow people can see the light. When I think of Joe Biden, one of our ‘poorest’ Senators I think of a good man and I will be hopeful that he doesn’t say one word that the serial mis informants in the MSM can use against him. Good luck to all and pass the word around about this good blog. I read it daily and agree that Huff Po should be posting most of this as well. How can we ask them? Ariannna ? We need you to listen to us! Peace and Blessings from Colorado

13 09 2008
AnneinWA

AKM, as always your on the spot reporting is appreciated and driving a productive international conversation.

Representative Gara, Thank you for your informative piece. You stuck to the facts and put the accountability right back where it belongs, with McCain (although I have no sympathy for Palin). Like others, I hope you send this to media outlets across the country.

**Off Topic**

I just spoke with our son and family, who are very near Houston. They lost power last night at about 10 p.m. but are okay. My prayers continue for all of you in the wake of Ike.

If you didn’t catch Bill Moyers Journal last night, it’s a MUST WATCH. Moyers opens the show asking about the presidential race, “How ugly will it get? Very”. The show examines the effects of “shock jock” radio on America’s political discourse. The explicit examples shown were truly a SHOCK to me. I listen to our progressive station.

Mudflats, be safe at the rally today. We are with you in spirit.

13 09 2008
Karen

swineprincess (06:38:54)
Off Topic – Hi, I’m in Houston near I-10 and Beltway 8 if that means anything. Amazingly, my power was only out for about 8 hours and even more amazingly, I have an internet connection. Lots of big branches down but no damage which is great. Hope your friends did as well.

13 09 2008
¶ AIO

What I want to know is why is Palin so popular in Alaska?
Cathy in MN

Because she gave/bribed them all with $1,200.ºº from the oil company’s and all those pork ear-marks she advocated for.

¶ AIO

13 09 2008
AnneinWA

HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline (08:25:51) :
Does our dear friend AKM pee standing up or sitting down? From what I had read in the early posts regarding the photo tour I thought AKM was a guy married to an Alaskan woman. Now various posters allude to the fact that it really is Ms. AKM Muckraker.

I sure someone will correct me if this information is incorrect. It seems a couple days ago, when AKM was cited by major media sources, they referred to AKM as “SHE”. That led many of us to give her a “You go girl!”. Like you, it doesn’t matter to me – Mr. or Ms. Mudflats has an open invitation to share our rural Washington state home any time!

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

@Jane – oh thank you!

I’m in the same income block as you, and yet, I would not have had the opportunities presented to me as a woman under the “regime” of McCain/Palin. What is $250 to us, really, in the grand scheme of things? I give because I CAN. A lot of people with less give because they should. We could learn a lot from them.

They are going to set back the clock hundreds of years, not just 35. These people are extremists. I watched the 20/20 piece with interest last night. One thing I can say is that the Rovians have taught her well. Her answer about homosexuality. Her answer about abortion. Her glib answer about Hillary Clinton. I have not had to face any of these issues, so I should never place judgment of those who have. How glib and downright machavellian to guise these under the ticket of “raising taxes” when, in reality, the GOP increases government. Trust me, it wasn’t a Democrat who set up the National Security Police, er Homeland Security.

People take these liberties for granted – in 10 years they will be nothing but a distant memory if we don’t do something now.

13 09 2008
AnneinWA

“I’m sure”…sorry for the typo(s)

13 09 2008
Wired Differently

The visual you get should be of a human being. I’m not dissing you, HM aka Rot Pipeline. It was something my (irl) friends and fellow mudflatians discussed when we first started reading. And AKM has been ‘outed’ as to gender elsewhere. But when the day comes that it doesn’t matter to any of us how AKM pees, or what color Obama’s skin is, that will truly be progress. And in your heart you already kind of know, don’t you?

Turbine Yukon Palin

13 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

http://www.johnmccainrecord.com/mclobbyist/

New Website the Obama campaign put up to show the American people who is running the Mccain Campaign.

13 09 2008
J T

Can you imagine being the person that has the job of collecting the severed wolf limbs and then doling out a check? What would their office look like? Do people just walk in carring a bloodied leg and wait for them to write out a check?

This remindes me of a Farside Cartoon.

Yuck…

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

I love everybody’s Palin baby names – it is the levity this blog needs!

13 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

AnnieinWA-
thanks for mentioning the Bill Moyer’s Journal
here in ny they rerun it on sunday night
everyone should see it
so you know the venom that the listeners are hearing

-my thoughts & wishes are with the Intelligent Women of Alaska today

AKM- i think school in new york, wife from Alaska? I read the into blog entry, but now its buried under the flurry of breaking news…

i really hope americans have had ENOUGH of the rovian tactics.

– Raytheon Monsanto Palin

13 09 2008
lavndrblueMN

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6375

Legendary Rightwing Vote Suppressor Honored by GOP Bigs in D.C.
Paul Weyrich, ‘Conservative’ Demigod Receives ’21 Gun Salute,’ Helps Raise $330k for Anti-Democracy Efforts…

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

The signature line on my e-mail, which I got from Mudflats, reads:

“Someone needs to remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.”

I refrain from sending people I know who like McCain any e-mail with links to pro-Obama sites, even this one, as I know they won’t be persuaded.

(I did, however, send most of my e-mail list the link to Deepak Chopra’s comments on Palin as I thought it was very insightful and, as he said, everyone “shadows”.)

I asked one correspondent to refrain from sending me the anti-Obama stuff she was sending as it was mostly about trying to make him out to be a Muslim and how BAD all Muslims are.

Anyway, this a.m. I sent an e-mail to a friend that had nothing to do with politics and very quickly got a response telling, not asking me, to not send him any more e-mails if I was going to include “political dialog”, i.e., my signature.

So, I ask: Am I being inappropriate with my signature?

13 09 2008
lavndrblueMN

Karen,
My sister and family are near you, I-10, Katy Freeway. Very glad to hear all is well, I haven’t heard from them yet.

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

@Proud2BUSA

“People take these liberties for granted – in 10 years they will be nothing but a distant memory if we don’t do something now.”

Besides trying to prevent further incursions into our liberties, we need to demand that those already taken from us need to be restored.

13 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline

Wired Differently (08:40:36) :

The visual you get should be of a human being. I’m not dissing you, HM aka Rot Pipeline. It was something my (irl) friends and fellow mudflatians discussed when we first started reading. And AKM has been ‘outed’ as to gender elsewhere. But when the day comes that it doesn’t matter to any of us how AKM pees, or what color Obama’s skin is, that will truly be progress. And in your heart you already kind of know, don’t you?

Turbine Yukon Palin
———————————
True Turbine Yukon Palin.

As I said, in the greater scheme of things it really doesn’t mean anything. I really meant no harm in asking. But I was just a bit confused as I read the posts from my earlier conception. We are, afterall, souls in bodies. Some in male bodies. Some in female bodies. But we are first and foremost – souls.

13 09 2008
AnneinWA

Laughing No Longer… (08:42:33) :
thanks for mentioning the Bill Moyer’s Journal
here in ny they rerun it on sunday night
everyone should see it
so you know the venom that the listeners are hearing

LNL, you’re welcome and glad you agree. I am going to ask my husband (a Repub) watch it with me today. He gets ticked-off when he’s in MY car with me, and I am listening to folks like Ed Shultz or Thom Harmann. He thinks they are radical. Just yesterday, he likened Ed to Rush Limbaugh – of course, neither of us listen to RL, so we didn’t know just how vile this venom is that’s being spewed and GULPED!
BTW, the transcripts of last night’s show are already posted a pbs.org

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

WOW!!!! I just found this in “Hot Topics” in the Gardenweb forums:

“I live in Wasilla (I never knew what an awful place I lived in before the last two weeks!) and wanted to contribute to the Palin discussion.

The thought of Sarah Palin in the Oval Office is keeping me up at night and waking me up early worrying. She, like Bush, lacks introspection. She knows what is right and nothing/no one will change her mind. And she HATES criticism, so I’m wondering if she will be able to keep her irritation in check when/if she does more press (beyond Hannity). And she is over-confident to boot, hence the constant “Bridge to Nowhere” references despite the wide de-bunking.

Her frightening inexperience in national politics was revealed in the Gibson interview. What serious politician doesn’t know you should NEVER even mention the possibility of going to war with RUSSIA? I had a pit in my stomach for hours after hearing her response to that. I don’t see how anyone can defend her experience after that one. How hard is it to say “It would never come to that,” “that’s an incredibly unlikely hypothetical situation,” etc.? And believe me, being next to Russia is not national security experience.

When Sarah is asked tough questions, she almost always responds with a version of “the future is bright for the great state of Alaska,” etc., ad nauseum. Now she’s doing it with “reform” and “putting the government back on the side of the people.”

How, as McCain stated on The View this morning, is one woman going to reform “the Republican Party, the Democrat Party, independents, all of Washington”? Does he not see how ridiculous that statement is? All of this because she defeated the most unpopular governor in America and sold a jet that she pledged to sell as a campaign issue?

Alaska is by far the porkiest state of all. We, until the recent corruption scandals, have revered Ted Stevens (known as Uncle Ted before the recent indictment) to the point of naming our airport after him because he brought so many earmarks home. Why is McCain choosing to make earmarks, .6% of the federal budget, such a centerpiece of his campaign when his running mate was such a fan until Bush’s recent edict?

My uncle was a POW with John McCain, and I hate to criticize him, but this is too much. I would happily have Bush for four or even eight more years over Sarah Palin, and I am certainly not in the 30% of the population that approves of him or the job he does.

And I am not the only Wasillian to feel this way. “

13 09 2008
SMR

Lulu:

You posed a question to Alaskans, and I will give you an answer — my opinion, of course, as there is no yes/no answer that will fit everyone, something that the posters on this blog seems to realize and those voting for McCain/Palin do NOT.

Yes, there are a lot of Alaskans who placed a lot of faith in her initially, her claims to take on big oil and the ole boys network, etc., etc. Now a lot of them are disillusioned. My family are Democrats and decided not to vote for a Wasilla beauty queen, it was a HUGE topic of conversation, the “how could so many people be so stupid?” amongst my family. I also know some staunch Repubs, and I am talking the elite Repubs of AK, who are angry at the direction she & her administration have taken and are voting for the first time ever for the Democratic ticket. Of course I asked if they’re attending the rally today and got an “I don’t know/thinking about it” answer. This is a very small state…

If raising taxes on the oil companies and saddling the state with a natural gas pipeline deal that is not in the state’s best interests is “taking on big oil” then that’s news to me! Those taxes will never stay once she’s gone, the tax rates she’s initiated are so high that small independents are being forced out of Alaska — that’s good for the Big 3 here in AK, but bad for Alaska! And the pipeline, well, I think that’s been covered to death — it’s the emperor’s new clothes that only the McCain/Palin brainwashed masses can see, the rest of us see that it is not even as substantial as the paper that it’s written on.

The problem was not that voters’ expectations were too high in regard to expecting change & integrity, it was that they placed their faith in the wrong person. This has been shown time & time again since her election, and is being paraded for viewing throughout the world. Her “energy relief” money goes a long way toward making people happy, but there are plenty here in Alaska that were totally against it. Letters & editorials were many in the Anchorage Daily News saying that it was the worst idea ever. I loved that there were a few women who had donated theirs to the United Way to be given to people in need in the Bush (off-highway towns/villages) and in larger cities.

That’s my personal opinion & personal take on the situation. Anyone else from Alaska want to chime in?

In 1/2 hour will be off to a local postcard-writing gathering, then the whole family off to the AK Women Reject Palin rally. GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

13 09 2008
Manny Mysterio

On the book banning thing… it has NOT been properly debunked. For one, there’s the Anne Kilkenny letter… this resident of Wasilla clearly believes Palin went after the librarian because she was against banning books. The librarian was never fired, however, so so called fact checkers say there’s nothing more too it. Palin DID try to fire the librarian:

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/510219.html

And there were inquiries made prior by Palin about banning books.

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/515512.html

Palin defends it as “rhetorical inquiries”. Is the MSM really going to buy that and call this issue debunked? If Palin is to be VP and so close to the Presidency, the American people have a right to have this issue scrutinized! We’re talking about someone possibly being an enemy of the 1st Amendment! This is no small matter! It’s absurd that the MSM is calling it debunked.

13 09 2008
AnneinWA

Susie in Jersey (08:51:40) wrote:
So, I ask: Am I being inappropriate with my signature?
The signature line on my e-mail, which I got from Mudflats, reads:
“Someone needs to remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.”

Susie, like you, I have asked my e-mail correspondents NOT to forward any anti-anybody political “stuff” to me. To respect their views, I do the same in return. My only comment about your signature would be (and this has nothing to do with appropriateness for YOU), I would leave of the SP part. “Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor” says it all! The reader can make whatever implication they choose…and if the muzzle fits the pitbull?

13 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

annieinwa- thanks, i must forward that.
i keep the “abramoff” bill moyers in the dvr, and have shown it to several people. it is incredible how people have very little understanding of the story, like the valerie plame outing, so they can’t focus on any of it.
he lays out the story in a factual and sequential way.

my husbands cousin loves rush, is a 3X a week bible meeting guy, and hates democrats. he says its not because of rush, that’s just entertainment. they have no idea how this type of “entertainment” leaves them incapable of looking at the economy, the war, all of it – in a rational way.
and of course he cannot tell you all of the horrible things hillary clinton has done to him or why he hates her, but it runs deep. and he lives in jersey, so she’s not even his senator.

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Thanks, Annie. That’s a good suggestion.

13 09 2008
iona

@Jimstaro, Diva, hi everyone. must work today but thought I’d pass this on
FYI:

Oregon votes by mail so there is no poll monitor positions. People can volunteer
to the Democratic Party’s National Committee to be an election observer. In our case, this means
we work with a person from the opposite party to observe as the votes are gathered and counted.

Previously, each county in Oregon had its own voter database.
In the upcoming election,for the first time, we will be using a new centralized database for the entire state.

The software is protected under law as a “trade secret” – so no one other than the vendor has access to that database. The vendor who owns the software who operates this centralized database,
which keeps track of and counts the votes, thereforehas a lot of power.

The contractor who sold the state on buying and using this new centralized database, called (I’m not making this up) SABER,
now works as an executive for the company/vendor who sold it to us!

I was also told that any one who observes any thing they think is suspicious can contact the Secretary of State Election Division, either by phone or email, and they are quick to respond; ditto for the Attorney General.

Lawyers are needed, as the Gara article shows – already lawyers are trying to take control of the investigative process and I’m sure they will try to do the same on election day.

I’m going to shift focus to Obama/Biden – their speeches, interviews, appearances. Volunteer write to newspapers send postcards phonebank keep repeating the facts. Most of all I’m going to educate myself about voters’ rights and about the 2000 election, so I can pass it on.

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@Manny

No, it has not been debunked but it hasn’t been “proven” (to the extent you’re looking for). Palin has conceded that she inquired alright (and I think there is one memo), but above and beyond that, right now it’s a matter of whose story you believe. All there is in terms of hard evidence is that she inquired. Right now (speaking from a “guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt” perspective) it is just stories being told by the people involved. Yes, we believe Anne Kilkenny but to many Palin supporters it will just be someone’s story, nothing more.

That said, I think to anyone paying attention, just on the basis of having inquired more than once (which has been admitted) is pretty telling.

13 09 2008
iona

can we do that ? is there a way to get the Gara article sent to op ed
departments in America?

sorry if someone already answered this

13 09 2008
Kate Henry

I can’t find an answer to the question “does Wooten still have his job in the Alaskan State Troopers?” Does anyone here know?

13 09 2008
Deb

Cherie- shout out from another Coloradan here. I’m registered Independent, but I am doing everything I can here, to keep this state in the BLUE!!
We have a chance, seeing how the last state election went, but the people down at Focus on the Family are going to be out in FORCE to make sure that doesn’t happen with the national election.
We have to work HARD here!

13 09 2008
Uganik Hideaway

Now, Muddie. When you are you going to inform all these good people about our Dear Sarah’s other other Bridge to Nowhere…?

13 09 2008
AnneinWA

Kate Henry (09:26:57) wrote:
can’t find an answer to the question “does Wooten still have his job in the Alaskan State Troopers?” Does anyone here know?

I saw the interview with Wooten on CNN last week and he said he is still employed as an Alaskan State Trooper.

13 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

Kate Henry-
I believe he is still a trooper.
that is why Moneghan got fired, for refusing to fire Wooten
and, the troopers union is taking on his civil rights case, so he’s probably still employed.

13 09 2008
marti

Kate Henry – yes Wooten still has a job here. The infractions were dealt with, and understand that they weren’t even complained about until well over a year later. They were succinctly explained by the executive director of the public safety employees association in many interviews. As you know this is about Palin’s abuse of power.

13 09 2008
Marie

Want to take a breather on all the Palin focus and read an informative article to spread the Obama news and the McCain failures.

This is from Former Federal Reserve Chairman Greenspan on McCain and also documents that now Chairman Paul Volcker supports Senator Barack Obama.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aKZG._gG2NVI&refer=politics

Please share this article too!

Keep up the amazing work and be safe today and everyday!

13 09 2008
Manny Mysterio

Re: Amused and Bewildered

I hear what you’re saying. But I don’t think it should be looked at from a “guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt” or “innocent until proven guilty” perspective. Why? She’s not on trial for this. Instead, she’s up for a very important job. People should be looking at it more as potential employers than jurors. Say you were hiring someone to be a nanny to your kids, and you received a letter and heard stories about someone you were looking to hire stating she was verbally abusive to kids in the past, or something of the sort. Would any parent want to conduct it like a criminal investigation? No, they’d just eliminate that person from consideration. Someone up for the VP office should be under no less scrutiny.

I know you agree with me, but this is the point that should be raised to anyone hesitant to take the book banning allegations seriously who believes in the 1st Amendment.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

48%?????

Steven Thomma, McClatchy Newspapers: {via Truthout } “The poll finds that registered voters continue to wonder whether Palin, a first-term Alaska governor, is as qualified to step up to the job of president as Obama’s running mate, Joe Biden, who’s been in the Senate for more than three decades. A majority of voters, 60 percent, think that Biden is qualified to be president, while 31 percent think he is not. By comparison, 48 percent of voters think Palin is qualified, while 44 percent think she is not.”

Is this Nation getting That Dumb??

Wait never mind, I’ve been watching it progress downward for many years!

13 09 2008
Andrea

JJ – re Palin’s views on abortion. you say ”Palin said that were her daughter raped and impregnated, “I would choose life”‘. While I haven’t heard that quote, it does show consistency with Palin’s official statement about Bristol’s pregnancy (this taken from CNN): ‘Sarah and her husband, Todd Palin, issued a statement saying they are “proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents.”‘

The key words here, of course, are CHOOSE and DECISION.

If Palin gets into power, there will be no such choice or decision. Don’t they see that??

And how come people who are anti-big government are perfectly happy to legislate about what goes on IN YOUR BEDROOM, for god’s sake?!

13 09 2008
Lulu

SMR,
Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed response to my question to Rep. Gara, AKM, and other Alaskans @07:55:06.

13 09 2008
Harley

I am still waiting for my company to arrive.

I finished my cookies and have prepared the cheese and wine
and decided to have a look at whats been posted.

After reading what many of you have said, it occurred to me that perhaps
as well as continuing to debunk anything untrue that Pinocchio and the Gotti say, we should also start POSITIUE articles about Obama/Biden as well.
For my part, I am going to start searching EVERYTHING Biden and EVERYTHING Obama and start posting , posting posting away.

I can not physically help, but I can use the power of my fingers, the internet and keywords to promote the next President of the Unieds States, Barack Obama.

As soon as my company arrives and departs, that is my next goal in life for the 50 days.

13 09 2008
Harley

dammit….EDIT POST ABOVE POSITIVE

13 09 2008
iona

@Proud, LOL! Hmmm, Karl Rove born on Dec. 25…well, I was born on Dec.
12, Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe…she’s patron saint of the Americas and….God’s mama.

Yes we can!

13 09 2008
Harley

lol, I will double check and triple check typos when I do my posting too !

13 09 2008
swineprincess

Karen (08:30:39) :

Off topic: Thanks. My friends and bro live in SW Houston near Bellaire. Still haven’t heard from my bro, but my friend is fine and damage is minimal, she has no power and is only hot and cranky. DT didn’t fare as well, I used to work in the Chase bldg… I can even see my office window blown out. wow. thanks for the update!

13 09 2008
Smitty

We, in the lower 48 need now more than ever to air this ad

http://actionfund.defenders.org/palintv

With troopergate and ethics on stall, we can put them on defense and how do you rebut slaughter?

Please give $5 so we can air this is OH VA MI and FL it will be the best $5 you ever ever spent and you just might save an endangered animal.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Conference on Prosecuting Bush/Cheney

Watch live video Sept. 13 and 14, or recorded video after:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/warcrimesconference

It’s on Now

More info here:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/35974

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@Manny, yes, as you said, I agree with you but my perspective has to with how others view it, not me. I’ve seen how people and the media from the “other side” view it. The campaign will try to talk away anything it can, and it does this successfully to many. The only thing they can not dispute is hard evidence so that’s what I like to go with. I have sent out nothing that hasn’t been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and if any allegations are included, I will always cite that they’re just that. Sometimes we can’t change how people look at things so — at least that’s the way I feel. And yes, sometimes I feel like I am living in an alternate universe. Just MH0. 😉

13 09 2008
Mollys Mum

Susie in Jersey

This morning I received this email lauding Cindy McCain to the skies, complete with 11 picture and the firm declaration on the part of the sender that she was voting Republican across the board, because, in her words, well, this is the whole email:

“Just passing on some info…cuz I AM voting for McCain/Palin and this time I AM voting straight
Republican to make sure there is unity in Congress. For all of these past years the
Democrats are the ones that had the control (yes..during the Bush admin. the Democrats
outvoted the Republicans so actually….it’s the Democrats running the show)
Any man that stayed alive willingly while a POW and stuck with his country has my vote!
No question of his background….he’s been a faithful AMERICAN.

VOTE STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN!!!!! GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!”

I have NO idea who this sender is. I am sick of junk like this turning up in my mailbox, so I sent her the following reply:

” All I ask is that you–and all voters– educate yourself on the issues, consider the current state of the country, internally and within the world community, watch the debates, think clearly about the consequences of your voting choice for America, and make an informed choice.

The outcome of this election will change the course of the world. Be aware of your own responsibility in this.”

Then I thought, hey, I can just add this as a signature in my replies to all the Republican junk that comes into my mailbox (I am not offended by serious Republican comments, just this type of idiocy). So thanks for the suggestion.

People I’ve noticed are very testy about this election if they’re not passionate about the issues and the outcome. I’ve had to reign myself back numerous times from complaints that I am “crazy,” “obsessed,” etc.

Of course the idiot who sent me the original email immediately responded, “I am aware….thank you very much.
Are you?”

I wrote back and reassured her that I would not be asking the questions and deeply concerned if I were not aware myself. And I wished her all the best.

Jeesh.

13 09 2008
Siege

Manny,
Glad you posted the links again re: story of library. Charlie Gibson could have followed up with a question about her intent to terminate librarian letter…is this part of the story in any newspaper from that time period? Even it is only according to Kilkenny, a reporter should ASK. That is their job.

Amused and Bewildered,
You are on the right track regarding what can be proven. We need to stick to video, gov docs, and newspaper accounts of events. There is enough of all that to build a strong case for anyone interested in the facts. I think the things that can be backed up with evidence are as follows (correct me if I am wrong). I do not have all the details or numbers but I am just laying out what I have seen that had back-up (if I remember correctly):

1) hired a lobbyist and brought earmarks to Wasilla
2) asked about book banning process more than once
3) provided intent-to-terminate letters to librarian and some other Wasilla official, did not end up firing librarian
4) sports complex built in Wasilla under her watch that contributed to debt of town that was not in debt when she came in to office (what about the legal aspects of the land problem- did she used imminent domain and was the land not legally theirs to build on?)
5) rape kits? Is this true?
6) asked for and received lots of earmarks as governor (would be good to outline what she got in her first year and for what projects then what she asked for in second year and for what projects)
7) campaigned for gov showing support for bridge and then later denounced bridge after it was politically a loser. Still kept money and used some to build road to nowhere.
8) billed state per diem for staying at home
9) family was admonished by judge via her sister to not speak poorly of her former bro in law in front of the children
10) agreed to an investigation re: troopergate and now is complicit in efforts to stonewall that investigation she welcomed
11) believes creationism should be taught? Where is record of her speaking about this or writing about this view?
12) is anti-abortion
13) is pro- shooting wolves from airplanes
14) asked for prayers that the war we are in is God’s plan
15) joked about what a VP does
16) could not speak to important current international circumstances with much depth. Did not demonstrate knowlege of Bush doctrine, Pakistan intricacies, etc.

Not sure if this added anything new to the group discussion but it helped me to try and list what we know. She was very slick last night with giving responses that were meant to lessen people’s fears about her as an extremist. She stole Obama’s talking point about agreeing that we can all work towards lowering the number of abortions.
Baby duty calls…all for now.

13 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Palin Never Went To Iraq

Sarah Palin’s visit to Iraq in 2007 consisted of a brief stop at a border crossing between Iraq and Kuwait, the vice presidential candidate’s campaign said yesterday, in the second official revision of her only trip outside North America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/13/palin-never-went-to-iraq_n_126186.html

***when are the lies going to stop?”

13 09 2008
Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat

AnneinWA (08:59:35) : and Laughing No Longer… (08:42:33) : re the Bill Moyer’s Journal

Read this transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/transcript1.html

it should help crystalize some thought. Good luck today – I’m off to the Obama Cook-out.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

McCain-Palin Crowd-Size Estimates Not Backed by Officials

Senator John McCain has drawn some of the biggest crowds of his presidential campaign since adding Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to his ticket on Aug. 29. Now officials say they can’t substantiate the figures McCain’s aides are claiming.

McCain aide Kimmie Lipscomb told reporters on Sept. 10 that an outdoor rally in Fairfax City, Virginia, drew 23,000 people, attributing the crowd estimate to a fire marshal.

Fairfax City Fire Marshal Andrew Wilson said his office did not supply that number to the campaign and could not confirm it. Wilson, in an interview, said the fire department does not monitor attendance at outdoor events.

13 09 2008
Harley

Ohh la la…lookie what I found !

The Huffington Post

13 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

Susie in Jersey i’m curious what the responses were from that post on garden web?

i’ve finally finished reading all of your posts—as usual, all good. thanks for the link to bill maher’s show from last night-it was well worth watching

i have to reiterate i really do not believe the polls. many of you have posted about yard signs/bumper stickers in your area. i am seeing the same thing here in IN. the obama signs keep going up and i have not seen 1 mccain sign. i have only seen 1 mccain sticker. i don’t know if that means we will have a lot of crossover to the dem side or if these people will refrain from voting/vote 3rd party. but either way i think we will see some red states go blue this time.

it cannot be overstated. we cannot let ANY party steal an election. i would be so ashamed if my party was doing this. i would definitely drop my support for my party if they were doing this and i would try to help make it right. it is an understatement to say it is unpatriotic, it goes well beyond that.

13 09 2008
antsy

McSame got caught up in the View chatter and made a boo boo.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-earmarks13-2008sep13,0,1324706.story

Money to study Bear DNA = bad earmark

Money to study Crab mating Habits = good earmark

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@Siege, I’m short on time but I do want to respond to one item quickly:

5) rape kits? Is this true?

Yes, but this is also one of those things that’s been “explained away”. The facts are correct but she says she was unaware that this was happening. Worth mentioning for sure, but the reader has to draw their own conclusions. At the very least, hopefully they’ll realize that if even if it’s true she didn’t know, she wasn’t really such a good mayor just by virtue of the fact that she was unaware. (Spending too much time asking about banning books I guess.😉 )

I found a good article on this but I can’t find it right now. It was definitely from an Alaska newspaper — told the story of how in (I think 2000) the state decided that victims of sexual assault should no longer be charged for rape kits and that Wasilla was the only town still doing it. The police chief didn’t believe the taxpayers should pay for it. Sorry if this isn’t exactly correct (and you know that I like to be) but you get the idea. Search for articles from Alaska with keywords “Wasilla” “rape kits” “police” — it should come up.

13 09 2008
Waxman

Bobby Lee is a McCain / Pailin plant and this is the dirtiest of ploys. Notice he was waiting for a new Blog and as soon as it went out he posted. He knows Mudflats is getting lot of play and that the mainstream media is watching – so he gets this in quick so that a media outlet will pick it up and – out of the blue, the whole Mudflats forum is nothing but a bunch of gossip. No media outlet is going to read all the posts to get the real story – so in effect he is poisoning the waters. As I said, This is the dirtiest of tricks I’ve seen yet. This member of the “Truth Squad” has figured out that the truth doesn’t look so good, so the next best thing is to discredit the whole blog. That is what happened with the Book Banning as well. How do we fight off this new round of attacks???

13 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

proud2be-
lol
JOHN MCCAIN: Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.

so, lets just nominate one of them agents….
how can these people just swallow the swill of hypocrisy the way they do?

i hate these people, hagee and cufi etc. they are something i have been fighting against for a long time. i know aipac is in bed with them for convenience, each side thinking they’re just friends til the interests diverge…
but they are enemies of peace. plain and simple. peace throws a monkey wrench in the whole armageddon scenario. they think its gonna happen in their lifetime, and they want to be here to see it. so, if they have to hurry it up a little, so what?
any true zionist should understand that PEACE is best for the long-term interest of israel. the israeli perspective gets drowned out by these vocal americans that have hard-headed notions. but israeli’s know that they will have to give, and they will give, for true peace. the american jews that get played by this are not helpful, and worse, they really don’t understand. they think they are supporting israel.

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

One last thing before I have to put aside my Palin obsession — a staunch Republican I was communicating with defended the fact that Palin has never met a head of state (this came up in the Gibson intereview) by saying that she agreed; there are probably plenty of Vice Presidential and Presidential candidates who have not.

So, I found this yesterday — only once source and I kind of wish it wasn’t ABC but it might be somewhere else as well (I’m believing ABC on this but some people will chalk it up to an attempt to defend Gibson’s question).:

ABC News reported that she is the first national candidate in more than 30 years to have never met a foreign head of state.

13 09 2008
AnneinWA

Proud2BUSA aka Krinkle Bearcat (09:58:00) wrote:
AnneinWA (08:59:35) : and Laughing No Longer… (08:42:33) : re the Bill Moyer’s Journal
Read this transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/transcript1.html
it should help crystalize some thought. Good luck today – I’m off to the Obama Cook-out.

Oh My! Thanks for the reminder…I think! I remember seeing that show and reeling from it then…seems SOOO ling ago in “political time”. I just quickly scanned it, and will reread it later…grrr! I am already in a frenzy this morning and need to go off and DO something positive!

13 09 2008
David

What a lousy thing to bring to Alaska – corrupt, filth-smearing “well-paid” hacks, good Christians all, I’m sure. All to protect the

“Buffalo Wilt and Calamity Brain” Show.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Uhhhh Ohhhhhh

Strip of Iraq ‘on the Verge of Exploding’
Kurds Extend Role Beyond Autonomous Borders, Angering Arabs

Kurdish leaders have expanded their authority over a roughly 300-mile-long swath of territory beyond the borders of their autonomous region in northern Iraq, stationing thousands of soldiers in ethnically mixed areas in what Iraqi Arabs see as an encroachment on their homelands.

And will Track Deploy now????

13 09 2008
Lulu

Waxman, good assessment. Since no one really took the bait from “Bobby Lee,” I guess it didn’t work. They can’t really discredit the blog no matter what we write, as the blog is written by AKM and not us.

13 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

jimstaro- maybe track will be named to the joint chiefs….

13 09 2008
kem

interesting, hmmmm

my daughter has been in Kenya for the last month and she has not heard any of our ‘news spin’ and the few minutes we get, she talks.

today she had more time to talk and she has been seriously educated in Obama/Biden news and their backgrounds and she was saying how proud she is to be from this country because of who we are electing for President!!

the Kenyans she has been working with know many many details about Obama’s work/his bills at state and fed level and also about Biden’s. they are so excited to have him be president, naturally, but also because of his record and they KNOW so much more than she/we did. she has been writing/learning a lot from them about her country. AND SHE IS SO PROUD of the US.

she had little idea about the controversies or otherwise as she has not heard any of it (she did ask me about “someone’s” pregnancy last week but that is it). She said that their knowledge about our politics/politicians was amazing and she was getting so patriotic from what she has learned FAR away in another country.

being isolated is sometimes a very important eyeopener.

GOOD LUCK on the rally today, be safe!

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

Oh, sheesh! I fogot to post this:

The entire interview is up online — however, its very unfortunately not the 20/20 show. The show itself had things like (paraphrasing) “you may have heard Palin’s stump speech — and you may have heard it again. And again. And again. Commentaries at the top of the show explained the real deal of the Bridge to Nowhere and showed the road they built with the money that was kept, the per diems charged the state for time spent at home, the news about Todd’s indictment, etc. — and more. I hope the entire show pops up!! The interview is not enough! The show itself really told the more complete story! (Oh, also showed friends of hers who aren’t sure they’re voting for her.)

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5793131

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Nancy – INDIANA

All the posts are supportive except one and even that is only questioning the poster’s registration and place of residence. However, he/she has been active bashing other anti-Sarah, pro-Obama posters on other threads.

If you want to read all the posts, go to gardenweb.com (I can’t post a link) and look for Hot Topics in the gardenweb forums.

I’d thought about posting a link to Mudflats but was concerned that it might bring too many trolls.

13 09 2008
13 09 2008
Waxman

Lulu,

The problem is that any media outlet that picks up the blog is likely to read and pick up the first few replies. That’s why he / she ws waiting. Since his is at the top, they will assume that he is responding to what all the people have been posting – unlike the rest of us they will not read through all of the postings. So you have a great blog – but the media will assume that it is just a bunch of nutcases following – and that leads them to discount the whole thing.

13 09 2008
BJA

We’re sitting here reading this great statement from Les Gara, and you know what? Lots of people don’t even know there’s a thing called Troopergate or an investigation into abuse of power or that Todd Palin is about to get his very own subpoena.

I send out e-mails every day to a large group of people in my address book. I read more of this stuff than most people and I think it’s helpful to pass an article along when it really hits. Matter of fact, I know it’s helpful. I get notes from people all the time thanking me and telling me they now have something to send on to their kinfolk.

So, here’s my best suggestion:

Tell your friends about Troopergate and give them enough detail so they can forward it to others. I did a brief summary on if for a DKos diary today. You can find it here:

Your friends don’t know this. Tell them.

Take whatever you want. Just get the word out and make sure people know. Enough with pigs and lipstick and whatever other lies are being told today. Time for truth.

13 09 2008
Political Amazon

Speaking of Rovian tactics…

I just read absurd propaganda on another blog (where there are a lot of gullible GOP voters who distribute the most asinine propaganda).

This is how the story goes: The October Surprise will be Obama dropping Biden from the ticket and replacing him with Hillary Clinton.

Apparently Sean Hannity is the one pushing this.

In my reply to the poster, I borrowed a phrase I read here on Mudflats (the source of all that is interesting in this election):

” ‘If you’re going to jerk us off, at least use a Kung Fu hand-grip.’ ” Make the propaganda at least faintly plausible. Otherwise, it does nothing but to piss us off.”

I think this is an indication that perhaps the McCain camp may be planning to drop-kick Palin from the ticket, so accusing the Dems of doing it first makes it easier for them because the sublimal impression will be that the Dems planned it first.

13 09 2008
Lulu

Waxman,
I understand your concern, and I want AKM to be taken seriously by the national press as well. I think s/he deserves an award, as others have suggested!

Surely others in the media know about and can identify trolling, since the ‘Net has been around for well over a decade now. Plus, no one here took the bait.

I guess we could take shifts and always try to be the first poster on each new thread…

13 09 2008
Political Amazon

Re: Sarah and charging for rape kits…

She was mayor FOUR YEARS when the State finally stepped in and said “enough” to the practice of cities charging for rape kits.

Her appointed chief of police, after the law was passed forbidding the practice, actually griped about the new law, saying he was against it.

If she claims she didn’t know, then it’s as bad as McCain not knowing all of this crap about Palin before he chose her as VP: it shows an unacceptably faulty decision-making process, and a failure of judgment and leadership.

13 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

i like that our host debunked it right then and there.
’round here, we are all missouri… “show me!”
speaking of which, why is missouri red? they need to look.

13 09 2008
jimstaro

Laughing No Longer…:

Could be, like mother like son!!

13 09 2008
Waxman

Lulu,

Guess I’m new and maybe I over react. I used to think I knew people, but I am beginning to realize that I am only now opening my eyes. It is not alwys pretty. I am also a reformed Republican – and I suppose I was blind to all of these tactics.

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Re the plane – I just read this in an opinion article in the International Herald Tribune and now we know why McCain picked Palin – she’s keep the jails in Arizona stocked with prisoners:

“The Chicago Tribune reported that the majority of the plane’s time was used to transport prisoners from Alaska’s crowded jails to Arizona, a job now done by federal marshals.” 🙂

13 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

jimstaro- maybe he had a national security video game or something. holiday inn express? and, he’s pretty tall. so if sarah can see russia, he can see it better!

13 09 2008
Susan in Atl

The first post, and the first several replies to it make this a good place to insert this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/12/do1209.xml

Let’s take some advice from our friends from the U.K. If we don’t….we may be very depressed come Nov. 5th.

13 09 2008
Belgian Observer

Hi to all – this is my first comment here, but I’ve been reading this blog and the comments since news on the Palin pick broke on August 29th. Kudos to AKM for a job well done and for the fantastic, exceptionally civil discourse between the commenters.

This is a bit off-topic, but I spotted this on Time’s :

(hope this displays properly!)

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

20/20

There might be one other link befoe the beginning the interview begins but this is the top of the show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTyaPxfoeFc – Beginning of 20/20

The actual interviews are on the ABC 20/20 site listed below — but watching the other link first is a must!!!

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5793131

13 09 2008
Belgian Observer

Ok, looks like it didn’t, so here it is in plain text:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1840588,00.html

Did your interview with Barack Obama change your opinion of him? Edward Pniewski LANSING, MICH.

I don’t endorse candidates, and I don’t tell people who to vote for, but I learned something about him: that he’s a sincere man and a tough guy. His policy is what he says it is. He’s no phony. He’s telling you: I’m going to set up a big government apparatus, I’m going to redistribute income and I’m going to use more soft power than hard power abroad. What he says is what he believes.

13 09 2008
Belgian Observer

Left out one detail – the above quote is from Bill O’Reilly.

13 09 2008
karen marie

thought some of you might be interested in more on the book-banning flap which palin described as “an old wive’s tale” when asked about it by charlie gibson:

[clipped from “political animal” by steve benen and hilzon, http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/%5D

‘RHETORICAL’ BOOK BANNING…. Charlie Gibson asked Sarah Palin yesterday about reports that she sought to ban books from the Wasilla public library. Palin rejected this out of hand: “Never banned a book, never desired to ban a book…. It’s an old wives’ tale.”

There’s ample reason to believe this isn’t true at all. Indeed, while Palin was denying any interest in banning library books, her campaign aides conceded to the Associated Press that Palin approached Wasilla’s head librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, “on three occasions,” about how one might go about banning library books.

The recent defense has been that the question was “rhetorical.” The mayor asked a “rhetorical” question about book banning three times? Please.

The AP added some additional context to the story:

According to the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman newspaper, Emmons did not mince words when Palin asked her “how I would deal with her saying a book can’t be in the library” on Oct. 28, 1996, in a week when the mayor had asked department heads for letters of resignation.

“She asked me if I would object to censorship, and I replied ‘Yup’,” Emmons told a reporter. “And I told her it would not be just me. This was a constitutional question, and the American Civil Liberties Union would get involved, too.”

The Rev. Howard Bess, a liberal Christian preacher in the nearby town of Palmer, said the church Palin and her family attended until 2002, the Wasilla Assembly of God, was pushing to remove his book from local bookstores.

Emmons told him that year that several copies of “Pastor I Am Gay” had disappeared from the library shelves, Bess said. “Sarah brought pressure on the library about things she didn’t like,” Bess said. “To believe that my book was not targeted in this is a joke.”

So, what do we know at this point? Time reported last week that Palin asked Emmons about the process for banning library books. Emmons was reportedly “aghast” at the question. Soon after, Palin fired Emmons, and news reports from the time indicate that Palin thought Emmons hadn’t done enough to give her “full support” to the mayor. (Palin reversed course on Emmons’s dismissal after a local outcry.)

ABC News added a report this week, explaining that Palin took office thanks in large part to the strong backing of her church, the Wasilla Assembly of God, which, right around the time Palin took office, “began to focus on certain books” the church wanted to see removed from shelves.

And now we know Palin repeatedly broached the subject of banning books, and locals acknowledge that Palin, as mayor, “brought pressure on the library.”

The line from the McCain campaign has been that Palin never had any interest whatsoever in banning library books. Palin herself has described this as “an old wives’ tale.” That seems increasingly difficult to believe.
—Steve Benen 10:25 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (31)

13 09 2008
swineprincess

Cynthia, TX (09:57:50) :

***when are the lies going to stop?”

November 5 because Obama will win! (quoth SwinePrincess as she whistles past graveyard.)

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@ Political Amazon

Yes, I absolutely agree! And that’s what she’s saying — she didn’t know.

13 09 2008
J T

I don’t think the real issue is about her ever meeting a head of state, but does she know any of their names or history?

She has already proved she knows little about US history, how can we expect her to be educated in world history?

Will she be able to capably communicate with them?

Does she understand the nuances of successful diplomacy?

She definitely did not indicate that when she was blaze in a discussion of a war with Russia.

A leader of this country MUST have the ability to step out of their own skin and see the world from the prospective of those from other cultures.

A leader who only sees the world view from their limited perspective is dangerous for all of us. One thing Palin has proved is that she sees the world from her own narrow view.

13 09 2008
Augie

There’s an interesting article over on afterdowningstreet.org. (Don’t know how to post a link.)
Written by Mark Crispin Miller, it’s called
“What YOU can do to prevent another stolen election”.

13 09 2008
A Brit abroad

Ohhhhh my… I’m watching the Palin interview (thanks for the link). It is so stunningly obvious that she doesn’t have a clue – I don’t know too much about US politics, but even I can hear that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. I know that politicians often manage not to answer the precise question they are asked, but she’s not even attempting to make it sound like she can… If she was able to talk more policy they’d be doing so, not showing signed basketballs and her walking through her high school.

Argh… and he’s being so nice to her (very clever to put him in a setting where’s he’s at a disadvantage – in her home!), even though he’s pressing her, a little bit. But no follow up questions, and definite edits when she’s feeling pressured. That’s how you interview a celebrity, not a politician!

I would love to see her in a panel debate…

Hope the rallies have been successful and peaceful – there are plenty of us here in Europe thinking of you!

13 09 2008
mvngfwd

@Jane- You are not alone here in FL. My lifelong Repub husband also is a convert, and we are okay with paying more to get our country back on track. Not sure where you are but there is a great event down here in Coral Gables for Obama at the Biltmore this month. If you want info let me know. There are more of us out here than you think.

Also, we just sent out a big blast for Lawyers’ Committee to all our legal friends. Hope it helps get them involved to protect the integrity of the vote!

Good Luck to our brothers and sisters in arms today at the rally. We are all with you in spirit!

13 09 2008
plwalsh

O.K., this is my take on where things stand now:

1. The campaign, or at least the polls, is frozen more or less in place, in the (probably mythical) dead heat position so beloved by the MSM. The new Obama push back will mostly have the effect of further consolidating this stalemate, splitting the country into red and blue segments again.

2. McCain’s recent poll gains have been primarily in traditional red states, where he has consolidated the social conservative base of Republican base. He has made little or no headway in traditional blue states and the results in swing states has been mixed. In some places (e.g. OH) he seems to have made slight gains; others (NH) he seems to have lost ground since picking Palin.

3. Support for the McCain-Palin ticket among the Wall Street-Foreign Policy wing of the Republican party seems lukewarm at best. They are mostly damning with faint praise. It is not clear what this will mean for the election.

4. It is very unclear how accurate the polls are. There is at least some sense that they are significantly off this cycle and may undercount Obama’s strength. If Obama is being undercounted by 5 points or more (this was often the case during the primaries) he is in far better shape than he may appear– to the public, the MSM, and the McCain Campaign.

5. The Palin Effect has probably peaked, at least for the Republican side. The positive things about her– Hockey Mom, pitbull with lipstick, bucking her party, reformer, can-do activist, down-to-earth supermarket charm, hunter, turner down the of the Bridge to Nowhere– are already out and have been heavily exposed. There doesn’t seem to be much more in this image left to surprise or exploit. At the same time, she so overshot expectations on her campaign speech that it will be hard to top her own performance and, absent any serious gaffs, her national appearances will be less compelling from now on. Meanwhile, there will be a slow drip drip of contrary information coming through the media until the election. This may not shift the red votes but it will inflame the blue vote against her. I’m not sure Palin push back on either side will make a whole lot of difference to the final vote.

6. The battle basically now comes down to a few key swing states: OH, MI, PA, and FL probably.

7. Recent news stories suggest that various scams and election frauds on the Republican party may be a factor in this election as in 2000 and 2004, though the Democrats seem much better prepared for them this time.

8. The basic scenario favors Obama unless McCain can somehow break the current apparent deadlock. Obama’s advantage will likely remain largely under the radar until close to the election. It is in Obama’s and the MSM media’s interests to keep the cliffhanger story line going as long as possible.

9. There are several things at the edge of the political campaigns that might have an impact later; one or more of them may develop into an October surprise of some sort. These include the growing tensions between the United States and Venezuela (becoming quite ominous), Russia, the military situation in Afghanistan (probably, though, mostly quiet until spring), and the tottering banking industry in the U.S. It is not clear at this point which ones would favor which side in the selection.

Any reactions?

13 09 2008
karen marie

augie, in order to post a link, just put your mouse pointer over the address on, in this case, the afterdowningstreet.org page, right click, select “copy,” then move your mouse pointer to the spot in your comment that you want the link, right click your mouse, select “paste” — voila!

some people know how to embed it in text, that i don’t know how to do, but pasting links is easy.

i am familiar with internet traditions.

13 09 2008
karen marie

well, SOME internet traditions …

13 09 2008
Lulu

JT, totally agree with you. Palin is dangerously incurious and woefully myopic. For an example of where that “narrow” attitude will get the USA, look what Bush 43 hath wrought. Palin doesn’t even seem to know that the President of Iran doesn’t “run” Iran; the Prime Minister does. She’s not sure what the Bush Doctrine is even when it’s explained to her…And what doesn’t she ask questions if she doesn’t understand something? Is she that insecure, intellectually? And McCain seems to have just checked out, saying anything, lying, even making up the crowd figures at the rallies.

I agree with Jon Stewart. I want leaders smarter than I am. I want leaders who have traveled more than I have (I’ve been to 30 countries, and I’m a stay-at-home wife!)

Obama is smarter than I am, and I want him leading me.

13 09 2008
Augie

Thanks, Karen Marie. I made a “crib sheet” post-it to keep on my screen.

13 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

Palin is not even smart enough to ask questions, to know she doesn’t know.

13 09 2008
Lizzie

Hello all: Taking my lunch break at Camp Obama. Mostly phone work this morning. Great group, lots of fun, lots of feel good. Join up at the Obama website.

Idea about how to deal with the lies? http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/13/how-to-brand-mccain-and-palin-as-liars/

13 09 2008
plwalsh

This is from fivethirtyeight.com today:

“Think how much different the conventional wisdom would be if Al Gore had won 300 more votes in Florida. Bush’s strategy of rallying to the evangelical base would have been considered a failure, as would the Rovian politics of personal destruction. But instead, because of what was essentially a mathematical coin-flip — the vote count was so close in Florida that nobody really knows who won — these things are considered to be standard operating practice in any competent campaign.

In the absence of actual results, what opinion-makers look toward instead is polls. And presently, with John McCain holding a 1-2 point lead in most national polls, essentially every aspect of Barack Obama’s campaign has come under intense scrutiny, whereas Steve Schmidt is regarded as some kind of savant. This is even worse than being results-oriented, because we don’t yet know the ultimate effect of the choices the McCain campaign has made on November’s results. Certain of their choices, such as their intensely negative campaign against Barack Obama and perhaps even their selection of Sarah Palin, may be short-term winners but long-term losers.”

13 09 2008
Lulu

plwalsh,

I agree with your assessment of the peak of the Palin phenomenon, unless, as you say, additional scandals ensue. I don’t underestimate the scandal factor here, mind you, but she is tarnished by scandal, and the more there are, the worse for her.

Re: MSM and the polls and a “horse race.” I agree it’s better for Obama and the MSM for it to seem close. Otherwise, Obama’s supporters could become less engaged. So I hope the polls show Obama and McCain in a dead heat until Nov. 3 or so. I truly think that will make the Dems rally big time.

And to that end, I think I will now bid a fond farewell to those on this blog. I have LOVED posting here, and think so highly of this impromptu community. I have learned a lot! And I will probably lurk in the coming weeks, but not post. My Palin interest has waned so considerably now that I’ve learned all about her, heard her talk, and so, I must turn my energies on to deeper and more important subjects…🙂 YES WE CAN!

13 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

who knew David Gregory was very good friends with Karl Rove? I didn’t know that. I am listening to “ring of fire” on Air America. So, now we know why he got the analyst position for political coverage.

http://www.airamerica.com

13 09 2008
plwalsh

Lulu:

I think your reaction to Palin may turn out to be a general one. Media fame quickly turns to media overexposure and boredom.

13 09 2008
swineprincess

karen marie (10:51:44) :

I know that this is not “evidence” in the sense that published accounts is … but… my husband lived in Wasilla during the time SP was mayor and recalls the incident clearly. For me, because he’s my husband and an Eagle Scout, that is good enough.

13 09 2008
HamletsMill aka Rot Pipeline

karen marie (10:51:44) :

Thank you for this very insightful information about “LibraryGate”.

These “histories of Sarah Plain” really reveal psychological patterns. I notice one glaring pattern: she is adversarial in all of her power relationships with others. She politically also seems to be very quick to address charges against her these days now that the stakes have gone up to worldwide epic proportions. But I say the old patterns from the tiny town of Wasilla, Alaska will all be there. I am sure the adversaries of the United States are now studying these traits of character too.

I say her interview with Shaun Hannity is going to be very telling. If she feels protected with him beside her now in the big leagues watch for a certain tone of the harder side of Sarah Palin to start to come out. She has zero self knowledge and zero insight into the situation she is now in or she would have never taken the offer from John McCain. If she feeds on the energy from Hannity and his audience watch very carefully how it expresses itself.

Apparently she has never thought of that Jungian karmic Beatle’s lyric “THAT was your first mistake. You took your lucky break and broke it in two…now what shall be done with you?”

Every thoughtful spiritual person in life who has studied depth psychology knows to beware the Trojan Horse when it comes to you in life. Be very careful what you are bringing inside the fortress of your soul. She does not have that level of spiritual and psychological insight. People who get their psychological energy from a monolithic ideology have massive internal problems. Witness the NeoCons and the annode-cathode dynamic tools they use like the hapless GWB.

So watch how she uses psychological energies. She got by the first challenge by cramming and repeating the party line given to her by handlers in a moderately controlled situation. I predict she will reveal much more of her soul when on the air with Shaun Hannity. We shall see.

13 09 2008
WitnessLA.com » Blog Archive » NOW STARRING……Sarah, Queen of Doublespeak

[…] was obviously discussed extensively by the post-Rovian coaches who decided she should do what she’s been doing: Listen, Sarah: Just keep powering […]

13 09 2008
PJ

“Sept 13: Fact Check
Watching the last twenty four hours of events, interviews and press releases, we take some time to offer up some fact checking.

From Troopergate to Charlie Gibson’s interview with Governor Palin, we find a few statements and answers that test the boundries of truthiness.* (*Copyright. Stephen Colbert 2005)

On Troopergate; yesterday lawmakers voted to issue supoenas to thirteen individuals including Governor Palin’s husband. Todd Palin has long been rumored to have had a key role in pushing members of his wifes staff to take action against Trooper Wooten.

Todd Palin is listed among in the official call log as making three phone calls to one of Governor Palin’s aides, who then communicated with Bailey prior to a recorded phone call that outed Bailey and proved he was lying about never pressuring anyone to take action about Wooten.

Issue: After the joint judiciary committee meeting, Lt. Governor Sean Parnell issued this press release:

As a lifelong Alaskan and public servant, I’m disappointed by the complete hijacking of what should be a fair and objective process. It is troubling to see partisan Democrats and Obama supporters abuse their power, the legal system and trust of Alaskans to smear Governor Palin to score political points.

Arbitrary deadlines, inappropriate public comments and secret deals between Senator French and “independent” investigator Branchflower, have turned this process into a complete farce. This use of government power for political gain is an embarrassment to Alaska and the landmark ethics reform our state has achieved under Governor Sarah Palin.

Fact: This is sappy politics from Parnell, who will become governor if McCain wins.

The committee who voted to support the supoenas included four Republicans, all conservative, all McCain supporters. On my radio show following the hearing, Representative Jay Ramras (R-Fairbanks) said any allegations of partisianship were insulting.

“I’ve had a McCain sign in my yard since August 21 and I’m a proud supporter. My committee is comprised of staunch Republicans who also feel that this process is about getting to the facts.”

And as far as Parnell talking about landmark ethics reform; this is a candidate who during his run for Lt. Governor back in 2006 took thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from the same good old boys that Palin is now saying she took on. The same good old boys who have been indicted by the FBI.

And although it took the raids by FBI of state lawmakers offices for Parnell to return the donations, over his career the folks from Veco have been one of Parnell’s greatest sources of campaign cash when he was a state legislator back in the 90’s.

Issue: During the joint judiciary committee meeting yesterday, special investigator Steve Branchflower mentioned the need to supoena Murlene Wilkes, the owner of Harbor Adjustors, who has a contract with the State of Alaska to process claims for workers compensation.

Branchflower said there appears to have been some pressure put on the company from the governor’s office to deny Trooper Wooten’s workers compensation claim. The admission came from an employee of Harbor Adjustors, who apparently refused to go along with the pressure to deny the claim.

Fact: This is an email I received on August 18:

Item that may be of small interest to you, the ADN has had it for a week and done zero with it.

Officer Wooten had a workers comp claim on a back injury that went through Harbor Adjustors (Murlene Wilkes). Skinny is that the Gov’s office advised his claim should be denied.

Gave the claim office photos of the officer on a snowmachine (undated/Palin-family taken shots)

HA handed it over to legal to handle (Murlene didn’t want to get in the middle of what was obviously something personal, and as her only source of income is with a vindictive State gov contract, doesn’t want to come out on this issue).

End of day, Wooden got pennies on the dollar for his claim, they wouldn’t even pick up for the chiropractor.

Issue: Governor Palin’s interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson regarding the Troopergate investigation.

GIBSON: The — you mentioned the personnel board, it’s a bipartisan legislative group, that’s working at it now, which you said was fine, until you got named as the vice presidential nominee, and then you said the personnel board ought to handle it.

PALIN: We’ve said all along that … the personnel board is the appropriate agency or board to inquire — our state statute says if there is a question about actions of the governor, lt. governor, or attorney general, you go to the personnel board. So we’ve said all along that that’s appropriate …

Fact: Never….never had Governor Palin or her staff mentioned they felt the personnel board was the appropriate agency until after she was selected to become John McCain’s running mate and was looking for a way to delay and stall the investigation.

In fact, the joint judiciary committee had a hearing scheduled for August 18, to discuss issuing supoenas, but the meeting was cancelled after the governor vowed to cooperate fully.

Issue: Governor Palin’s interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson regarding the economy and budgeting.

PALIN: Reduce taxes, control spending, reform the oversight and the overseeing agencies and committees to make sure that America’s dollars and investments are protected.

GIBSON: So let me break some of those down. You talk about spending. How much smaller would a McCain budget be? Where would you cut?

PALIN: We’re going to find efficiencies in every department. We have got to.

GIBSON: So you’d take military off the table, the veterans’ benefits. That’s 20 percent of the budget. … Do you talk about entitlement reform? Is there money you can save in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?

PALIN: I am sure that there are efficiencies that are going to be found in all of these agencies. I’m confident in that.

GIBSON: The agencies are not involved in entitlements. Basically, discretionary spending is 18 percent of the budget.

PALIN: We have certainly seen excess in agencies, though, and in — when bureaucrats, when bureaucracy just gets kind of comfortable, going with the status-quo and not being challenged to find efficiencies and spend other people’s money wisely … then that’s where we get into the situation that we are into today, and that is a tremendous growth of government, a huge debt, trillions of dollars of debt that we’re passing on to my kids and your kids and your grandkids … It’s unacceptable.

Fact: During the 2006 gubernatorial campaign for governor, Sarah Palin spoke often about how she was going to cut state spending, review agency operations then prioritize state spending and cut those services that were not “constitutionally mandated”. The words “finding effeciencies” seemed to be laced in every speech.

In January 2007, Governor Palin’s initial budget proposed reducing state spending by $150 million for the fy08 budget. Six months later she signed the largest budget in state history. And although most of the press focused on the $231 million she vetoed from the capital budget, the fact is both the operating and the capital budgets came in at a combined $350 million higher than what she promised.

Along that same failed promise came the rate of savings. While saving for the future was the clarion call in justifying cuts to the capital budget, the $127 million she had promised to save ended up being just $5.6 million according to the Office of Management and Budget.

In December 10, 2007 Governor Palin introduced her administration’s proposed fy09 operating budget. The administration touted a plan to hold operating state operating expenses to just a 4 percent increase,

However when Palin’s budget proposal was analyzed by the legislative finance division, the administration’s budget was found to be a 15 percent increase in spending, not the 4 percent as was originally advertised.

In an interview in March of 2008 with Anne Sutton of the Associated Press, Palin’s Budget Director Karen Rehfeld said, “Until Alaskans decide what public services they don’t want us to deliver any longer as a state, any significant reduction in the operating budget is going to be difficult.”

Three months later Governor Palin signed the largest operating budget in the state’s history at $6.1 billion, a 9% increase over her previous record budget.”

This is from AndrewHalcro.com

But what’s BURIED is the fact that Palin tried to interfere with Wooten getting Workers Comp for an on the job injury. More proof of her vendetta, which the Judge specifically warned her against.

13 09 2008
Manny Mysterio

Here’s the article relating to rape kits:

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt

The frontiersman, as you can see from clicking on the home page link, is a newspaper from Wasilla. The article is dated 2000. That is an air tight source.

We need more information about this, but it looks very bad. Palin is not mentioned but she was the mayor at the time. There is a statement from Police Chief Charlie Fannon against the bill. Again, the year is 2000. In Feb 1997, Palin fired the Wasilla Police Chief.

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/510219.html

This shows, at a minimum, she was not afraid of removing a Police Chief she did not feel comfortable with, whatever the specifics may be. Can it fairly be inferred that Charlie Fannon was someone she approved of then?

Did Palin know about this policy? There was a bill that went to the Governor of Alaska regarding this issue. Wasilla is the only town noted to practice this (though it should be noted Wasilla would be the focus of a Wasilla newspaper article). I find it hard to believe that the issue was never raised with Palin prior to this.

Regardless, she was the Mayor. If she didn’t know, she can rightly be criticized for sleeping on the job. And remember, her experience as mayor is being treated as a sparkling bullet point on her resume by her handlers.

Finally, there’s this:

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/517370.html

The city was being stingy paying for rape kits that Fannon said may cost the town up to $14,000 a year. Just under two years later, Palin is advocating using tax money on a $14.7 million sports complex. Priorities?

These rape kits are used to collect evidence, needed to prosecute rapists. We have to be careful not to jump to the conclusion that they were hesitant to use the kits when needed… they may have always used it but then billed the alleged victim or her insurance company.

Nevertheless, there’s plenty here for the MSM to go on… I’m puzzled why this is restricted to blogosphere…

13 09 2008
RLS

I posted this earlier and it appeared on the thread for a few minutes then was gone.
Gremlins?? Rovian tactics?? Censorship??
It is a discussion of how Obama should respond with his campaign. It is from the PBS show NOW. Really good ideas. Could be adapted for any type of Obama video promotion.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/436/video-seg1.html

13 09 2008
Deb

excellent post, hamlet-

she obviously isn’t much of a soul-searcher, since she agreed to the candidacy “without blinking” and after having said recently that she didn’t understand what a VP does.

that dark side of the soul can come out at the most in-opportune times when we don’t acknowledge it

13 09 2008
plwalsh

Andrew Sullivan quoting Andrew Halcro:

“I used to think that ‘family’ [sic] was off-limits, as far as politicians go. But Sarah Palin uses her kids as campaign props. Her son Trig has his own page on the state website. Her daughter Piper gets her travel paid when she goes to state events.”

13 09 2008
mvngfwd

Happy to report that I received my first response to my “Calling all Lawyers” email and I have one volunteer signed up! Whoohoo!

13 09 2008
Augie

Let me share with ya’ll the voter breakdown in my family. I’m hopeful it indicates a wider trend.
My husband usually votes Repub. Bless his heart. He’s otherwise a wonderful man.
I’m a passionate liberal.
Debates are lively!!
My in-laws are registered Dems but haven’t voted as such in many years. They didn’t like either Clinton at all and supported Bush up until Katrina.
They were luckier than most other flood victims, but their view of the Bush administration has changed significantly since watching their city drown and now see it withering from the neglect and indifference of our government.
This year, all three of these dear people voted for Obama in the primary and will do so again in Nov!
Also, all three sons and one daughter-in-law will too!

13 09 2008
swineprincess

plwalsh

great assessment. regarding voting irregularities, these two links bear repeating from yesterday

http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/ (btw: the DVDs are very inexpensive @ 3 for 15.00)

more disturbing is this article on Common Cause:

http://www.commonblog.com/story/2008/8/6/122333/0027

if anyone has any further information on international monitoring of US elections, please post.

I think one thing we need to do is volunteer as poll watchers to watch the republican poll watchers… the most disturbing thing though is from the Stealing America Vote by Vote — that is that we may not be able to see when the votes are stolen… as they say iin the video… when counting paper ballots, eliminating 10,000 votes is hard, time consuming. With electronic computer counted voting, 10,000 votes take a few seconds.

13 09 2008
ocliberal

I don’t know if this has been posted here already but this is an excellent very comprehensive read from The New Yorker about Palin and Alaska politics. It’s a long read but worth the time.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/09/22/080922fa_fact_gourevitch?printable=true

One thing I got out of this article is that I don’t think even Sarah Palin, Alaska Governor would approve of Sarah Palin, VP Candiate.

13 09 2008
PJ
13 09 2008
PJ

LOL!

OC, great minds think alike!

13 09 2008
ocliberal

Let me also add, after reading this article that I can understand why Alaskans were so attracted to Sarah Palin. I think deep in most of their hearts they wish she had just told McCain “Thanks but no Thanks…”

13 09 2008
protus

bah they have been spinning Palin since before they let her speak to the public.

shes a parrot and she will always be a parrot.

I am hoping she spews out some of her true self soon though😉

will be much fun to watch as the reps start to realize they have been had.

13 09 2008
whabs

Harley, thanks so much. I need to learn this and leave the friendly blogging for dummies site (yahoo 360) I use because I am freaking tired of being censored.

13 09 2008
LJP

The dailykos has a post with links to 527s so that we can donate now and get ads on the air. There is a link to Defenders of Wildlife, who did that unforgettable ad about the aerial hunting of wolves. Another good one is BraveNew pac, the pac connected to Robert Greenwald’s BraveNew film. The link below goes to the site for BraveNew’s “The Real McCain” videos. We can get these videos around the world if we try. I am sending $ to both of these and to the Obama campaign. It’s the “fierce urgency of now.” While we have a lull in the mudflats action, send what you can. $5, $10, $20. What you can.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/13/12029/3292/616/597390
http://therealmccain.com/

13 09 2008
Smitty

plwalsh & cynthia

I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the polls, etc.

We have a choice. We can wring our hands, commiserate with each other, blog all day or take action.

With 50 days that matter, I recommend action. It is effective and cathartic. Since the Obama campaign tacitly green lighted our 527’s only 2 have stepped up to the plate. Votevets.org and defendersactionfund.org.

Of the two, defenders ad is so hard hitting on that “gut” level people talk about voting for people on the basis of.

Please make this video viral.
http://defendersactionfund.org/palintv

13 09 2008
plwalsh

One thing I forgot to mention above is the “Angry Black Man” factor in the two campaigns.

I strongly suspect that both the McCain and Obama campaigns have focus-group tested the image of the angry black man in American politics. The findings would almost certainly have been that the ABM is both frightening to most Americans and utterly lacking in credibility.

I have been noticing a certain crypto-racism in the McCain campaign, which constantly tried to provoke Obama to angry reaction and to portray him as somehow angry. I was struck during the Democratic Convention that, asked by a CNN anchor to respond to Obama’s speech, the Republican commentator said “I think he looked very angry” in a tone that suggested that this was a prepared talking point and not a sincere response to the speech at all.

Obama is undoubtedly aware of all this and thus is treading a very thin line between the ABM and the stereotypical liberal Democratic pushover, e.g., Kerry. His supporters lately have seemed disappointed that Obama does not appear more outraged and push back against Republican lies and attacks more strongly. But I think Obama calculates that it is safer to disappoint his supporters a little bit in order to avoid falling into the ABM trap.

I’ve heard several people note that in this election cycle, Obama is running the conservative campaign and McCain is running the wild and risky one.

13 09 2008
enjay AKA Turbine Yukon

BobGeiger (co-author of “The Real McCain”) has a two-part rip into one of McCain’s 30 sec. ads. Part two should be posted tomorrow.

For those of us on the blogs and searching for “valid” material to pass along. This may be a point for former or current military persons. How McC got a D on his support for Vets, while Obama got a B+

http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2008/09/so-much-deception-in-single-30-second.html

An extra FYI:
Buzzflash.com has numerous contributors from newspapers / blogs / magazines / etc that would work in a Point-Counterpoint situation.

13 09 2008
Cookie

For those of you who have maxed out on donations to the Obama/Biden campaign, consider donating to the 527s:

Let’s Do A Money Bomb For Our 527s
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/13/12029/3292/616/597390

13 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@Manny Mysterio — yes, that was the article I was talking about. Thanks for providing the other links as well. Good work!🙂 (

13 09 2008
whabs

@ Lav

“what does it say about we as humans if we brutally kill off other species that share our planet?”

It is shown that people who have no regard for animals, will abuse people.

13 09 2008
Divatalk

This is off topic, but still kinda topic. I happened to be on Oprah’s website.
I wanted to see if there was any discussion pertaining to the Palin scandal
that Drudge put out about Oprah.

Well even after Oprah catagorically denied there ever being a discussion having Palin her show. And that she had decided not to use her show as a political platform since endorsing Obama. She said she would not have ANY candidate on the show. And she hasn’t.

Well, I’ve never seen so much negative, nasty remarks these women made of toward Oprah. It was though they never read her statement. People have decided they would never watch the show, or support any of her materials.

They called her derogatory names and made all types of racial slurs. Most of the comments had been deleted with a notation about not allowing insults or inflammatory remarks.

I can’t believe it. Women have lost their minds over this…. I know we are emotional creations but damn. These are the same women who have listened and gotten value of some type from Oprah for 20 years, and a decision she made as it pertains to 1 women that they have met for all of 14 days, they’ve gone ballistic over.

I am just bewildered! and I don’t know what to make of it.

13 09 2008
Former Alaskan

Cathy in MN

The reason Palin is so popular in Alaska is the financial gains she has made for people in the state. Not only the extra $1200 to each resident and the earmark money she brought into the State but the future financial gains she promises.

People look back at the original pipeline days very fondly. “Everyone” made money while it was being built. And she is the “voice” of the new gas pipeline.

Also, she is for new drilling as well as drilling in ANWR. People who don’t make $100,000 a year working on “the slope”, like Todd Palin, see that possibility in their future.

Who wouldn’t love someone like that?

13 09 2008
Smitty

Cookie
a $40 contribution to the 527 defendersactionfund.org plays half of a 60 second ad.

Only 2 527’s have engaged and I am betting the ranch on this one. On Monday it had less than 7,000 hits. Today it is at 125,000 on youTube.
Votevets.org is the only other “ready to roll” 527 but their ad isn’t as hard as this one.

defendersactionfund.org/palintv

13 09 2008
whabs

The peeing question.

I dated a guy who peed sitting down, so an answer to that question might not really answer what is is you are wanting to know.

Who cares anyway?

The prose, words, and thought process are about the hottest thing I have since… since…well, since GWB came to town!

13 09 2008
VetTheVeep

OK I am jumping right to the bottom to post. I know I’ve missed some wonderful posts but I can’t spend too much more time reading them all today. I learn so much from Mudflats. Thank goodness I found this site the night Palin was first introduced.
I live South Carolina and we are a hopelessly red state. Some of my best friends are Rednecks and some are Bankers, Lawyers, and Candlestick makers. I’m not sure there’s anything we can do here. But I have started my own daily email news report. Too many people don’t have the time or don’t know how to use the Internet to do research. So I am up late at night reading Mudflats (and comments), Huffington Post, Real Clears Politics, FactCheck.org, re-watching The View McCain Interview, Rachel Maddow, etc. and capturing the best and putting into small readable chunks with links. I started with 5 people in my small town and I’m up to 40 in less than a week. This is why I have only posted a few times. I read, copy and paste all night long. Most here are still the ‘Inbox Generation’ but this is a step up from “I don’t do email.”
I’m just trying to figure out what to do to help.
PLWalsh- really good points. It will be interesting to follow your scenario to see if it plays out.

13 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ Laughing no Longer:
My ex used to be a Rush fan. Made the same claim that it was just entertainment (after all that’s the way Rush described himself). Meanwhile I was freaking out that Rush was and is a demagogue and that many people actually believed the BS he was spewing. I thought he was dangerous then, and I still do. That was at least 12 years ago, and probably closer to 18. Now, my ex and I didn’t see eye to eye on a lot of stuff and our votes almost always cancelled each other out. But even he has come around — at least to that extent. Says he hasn’t listened to Rush for years.

OTOH, just this a.m. he sent me the Jay Leno piece, so I’m not exactly sure where he stands these days. Talking politics with me used to make him really uncomfortable, and we don’t talk much at all these days. Certainly not about politics! But I think I’ll send him the Gara piece and the Chopra link… he may be one of the few potentially undecided people I know. I’ll take the chance. He knows I do my research about things — I’m constantly responding to his mass mailings with the Snopes rebuttals. It annoys me to no end that he sends stuff around without checking it out. I used to think he was pretty smart, but like W and so many others, he is intellectually incurious. Sigh….

13 09 2008
J T

Divatalk,
My guess is most are trolls, not really Oprah fans to begin with. Maybe a few are, but most Oprah fans would be aware of the fact she had made the stand.

13 09 2008
Divatalk

JT,
That would be nice to think that. But I know for sure women, in general, can be fickle and are very emotional. And this campaign, though it was suppose to be historic and prideful, has brought out the racism, sexism, and hypocrisy unlike any other election.

I will say as a side note though, this is what change is. It’s like giving birth, It can be a very painful transition, but the end result was worth it!

13 09 2008
J T

Divatalk, I have to agree with women being fickle. Historically we have been our own worse enemy.

~sigh~

13 09 2008
J T

Let me rephrase that….some women…

13 09 2008
Smitty

LJP
YOU ROCK!!!

I love you for putting up the kos link. I am using my grocery $$$ to fund these 527 ads

13 09 2008
Shar

I wouldn’t be surprised if KARL ROVE’S OPERATIVES PLANTED THE SO-CALLED “BANNED BOOK LIST” to give Sarah Barracuda cover with Charlie Gibson, et al. Remember, they will stop at NOTHING to win; and they’ve had years of practice lying, cheating and planting false stories to foil their sheep-like followers.

I urge everyone to support the 527s. The Defenders of Wildlife video alone is enough to reject Palin on a single issue…How barbarian, cruel and brutal!

HAS

13 09 2008
Femaldy

Tried to vote for AKMudraker for blog of the year and was so tired I got my own e-mail address wrong! Geez! Will try again later when I can actually remember something other than the dreaded word “Palin!”. Am in North Central Texas. Looks like “Ike” is just going to brush us, Thank the Gods that look down on this poor beleaguered Red State! McCain on the View was incredibly awful! Such a statesman! So Truthful! Arghhhhh! Thanks to everyone for not falling for the bait in the first posting. That guy was really lurking and trying to stir the pot! Make us all look dumb! My Republican Daughter is going to vote for Obama and my wonderful Son, who has never bothered to vote, is actually going to vote for the first time….Obama! Small victories!

13 09 2008
Paula Henry

Wow, great article. I hope all the people in Alaska will read and then not vote for the McCain/Palin ticket. We (my family and I) loved your article. I have been a Republican since I could vote in 1976 and just switched to Democrat. I, and my 13 WOMEN co-workers are all voting for Obama and NONE of us has ever been poled, here in MICHIGAN

13 09 2008
Smitty


OMG – something is happening. At the YouTube site the Repugs are out en masse commenting on the aerial wolf slaughter. They are trying to change the subject and talk about baby killing, abortion and “culling herds”.

THEY ARE SCARED OF THIS AD so it must be working

Please hit it and comment

13 09 2008
Rep. Les Gara

Thanks for the comments about getting this published. To the extent folks have the energy and interst, please pass the piece along to any reporters in your area, or nationally, you know are covering the race; and any websites. You have my permission ro re-publish it and pass it along. Thanks.

Les Gara – And, I’m listed in Anchorage if they need to contact me.

13 09 2008
JM

People should read Palin team stocked with Bush veterans”.

I.e., Karl Rove in his own person may not be in Alaska, but you can assess from this who Sarah Palin’s new handlers are…

13 09 2008
DownInMississippi aka Jeep Pike

Vet the Veep, what a great idea!

I agree that each of us can make an impact directly on our family and friends just as Palmdale, Femaldy and others who are educating friends and family with the info we have learned.

I have sent out direct links to articles (major news media) and video of Palin, but hadn’t thought of your idea Vet of sending tidbits to multiple people. Think I am going to have to be a copycat!!!!

I did stay up until 4 a.m. one morning this past week writing a long, long response complete with links to my sweet secretary who made a big boo-boo by sending me one of those ridiculous chain letter emails “Pray for Sarah and her church” crap. It was a great response–unfortunately, I lost the whole thing–guess I was just too tired to operate machinery of any kind–and I just haven’t had the heart to reconstruct.

13 09 2008
PJ

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?pagewanted=5&_r=2&hp

Great articleo on Sarah and how she rewards her cronies.

13 09 2008
karen marie

found in a comment thread discussing a column by jonah goldberg making excuses for mccain’s technological impairment at “balloon juice”:

“If John McCain had a computer he’d be screaming at us to get off his LAN.”

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=11294

i thought it was funny.

13 09 2008
karen marie

“in general, can be fickle and are very emotional. ‘

i resent and challenge this statement.

PEOPLE can be fickle and are very emotional.

if you are a female and say this, i would say that you have fallen for two memes that are as old as the hills. if you are a female, you should know better.

13 09 2008
king1876

but ppl when voting remember dont think about race, or else u being jus as ignorant
http://king1876.wordpress.com/

13 09 2008
Nancy-INDIANA

OMG – something is happening. At the YouTube site the Repugs are out en masse commenting on the aerial wolf slaughter. They are trying to change the subject and talk about baby killing, abortion and “culling herds”.

THEY ARE SCARED OF THIS AD so it must be working

Please hit it and comment

yes, i agree and also be sure to DONATE to the 527 Defenders of Wildlife, so we can get this ad out there! this is one they are definitely afraid of, it shows exactly what kind of person she is.

13 09 2008
Ky

Thank you for the insight, Les!
I’ve been gone all day. I’ve missed so much (and you guys)!

13 09 2008
Cassie aka Jeep Pike Palin

Les Gara

Thank you for posting to us. You have made it absolutely clear how Sarah Palin was able to accept the VP invitation “without hesitation”. It appears that her desire to gain national prominence depended on the intervention of the Washington thugs who have distinguished themselves on so many occasions in exactly this fashion.

Can you imagine what it must be like to be one of those thugs? To spend your whole life never being able to be proud of what you have done? Or, perversely, taking pride in the ability to destroy hardworking people this way?

Things will get back to normal in Alaska, but you’re right, none of you will ever be the same.

13 09 2008
scotty mack

Wow, you would think that a State Representative would be a better writer than that. What did I expect, he’s a Democrat!

Conservatives are eating this stuff up. It’s kind of fun to watch the panic, the fear in the eyes of Democrats as they realize they might be letting what should have been the easiest Presidential victory since Reagan vs. Carter slip away.

It’s sad; poor little Democrats …

13 09 2008
Swiftboat Politics

A big mudflats welcome! The best, luv u folks.
http://faqnews.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/palin-interview-real-or-faq/

13 09 2008
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14 09 2008
king1876

mc.Cain cant win…. he just cant, even thought it doesnt affect jamaicans but still
http://king1876.wordpress.com/

14 09 2008
testarosa

I could not have said it better. And, Scotty Mack, why does McSame feel the need to do these negative ads instead of doing ads that talk about what he is going to do? You know, THE ISSUES. Poor little republicans. Same tactics that Bush did. But, then Karl Rove is in the McSame camp too. Like the man said, it’s hard running for and against a party at the same time. I had a lot of respect for McSame in the beginning, but he is doing the same thing that reps always do, distract from the issues by smear campaigns. I deserve more. And I deserve a better choice for VP than he has given me. With our country in the mess that it is in, why did McSame pick her? To get the womens’ and religious vote? What about what is best for this country? He had many better choices than her, but he went for getting the vote instead of what the country needs. Panic? You bet. She is waaaay too close to the Oval office for me not to panic.

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14 09 2008
king1876
14 09 2008
audrey

The sad part is I believe almost all of it. I am sad about the kids but kids or no kids, I don’t think we should throw a sympathy vote to McPain and Pa-lies and toss what’s left of our country’s economy/infrastructure, our soldiers, education, kids, health care, etc., down the drain because she paraded her children onto the public stage. Nor will I throw a vote their way because of the lies, or because she’s a woman. I for one will vote on the issues not her problems true or false and they’ve yet to produce anything real. Did anyone hear Greenspan say McPain’s tax plan SUCKS!!!! Remind him its still the ECONOMY STUPID!!!! Oh my goodness, I think I can see Russia, I am ready to negotiate with world leaders now….

15 09 2008
Steve

Hey, where’s that talking point coming from? I see it in from so many trolls in so many blogs.

I mean this one of course:
“It’s kind of fun to watch the panic, the fear in the eyes of Democrats as they realize they might be letting what should have been the easiest Presidential victory since Reagan vs. Carter slip away.”

I suspect Rush or Hannity. Think for yourselves sometimes. Oh, wait, if you did that you’d probably be a Democrat.

Hey trolls, are you really okay with a VP or possible President that believes that the end times are coming? Do you still believe in Santa too?
Grow up.

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