Palin’s Clear and Transparent Stonewall.

11 09 2008

Well, she’s told us right from the beginning what to expect. When Palin ran for governor, she touted how her new leadership would be “clear and transparent”. We’d had it with corruption, and we’d had it with her predecessor, Frank Murkowski. Palin was squeaky clean. She was new, she actually discussed ethics, and she promised us that business as usual would be business no more. The Good Ol’ Boys were in her crosshairs and they’d better start worrying.

Then came Troopergate. People started feeling uneasy. What was going on here? We needed to give her the benefit of the doubt. She was the reformer, Murkowski-slayer, and ethical Wonder Woman from Wasilla! There had to be more than met the eye. This Wooten character must be pure evil, and she was justified. But, as in the case with all scandals, there came a steady drip…drip…drip… of new information. All sorts of things started surfacing, like emails, and conversations that, according to Palin, never happened. Palin looked into the camera lens and into the eyes of every Alaskan and said, “Hold me accountable.” “I welcome the investigation.” That’s why we liked her. Open, honest, transparent and accountable. What’s not to love?

The bipartisan legislature took her at her word and started talking about an investigation. Then Palin assured us that, really, no investigation was necessary. She’d be happy to answer questions without the investigation. She looked a little panicked. The legislature voted unanimously for an investigation.

THEN Palin asked Talis Colberg, the Attorney General to start talking to anyone who might know anything about “troopergate” before Stephen Branchflower, the legislature’s investigator got there. A little bit of preemptive sleuthing so she’d know what to expect. That’s when people who were paying attention started to go ballistic.

Enter McCain and the gang. Palin gets a lawyer. The lawyer says the investigation is unconstitutional. The lawyer says the players are biased.

That’s where we were yesterday.

Now we’re looking at seven members of the Palin administration who are facing subpoena’s because they have refused to testify. At least, that’s what we think. We’ll know tomorrow. Thats when the House and Judiciary committees are meeting in Anchorage to make decisions about the subpoenas.

But this week, the state Department of Law – representing Department of Administration employees – threatens in a seven-page letter to go to court to block the subpoenas, thus widening the conflict to all three branches of government.

The letter is signed by Michael Barnhill, senior assistant to Attorney General Talis Colberg, and is addressed to state Sen. Kim Elton, the Juneau Democrat who heads the legislative panel that initiated the Troopergate investigation.

So, to all those naysayers who say that Palin is no longer clear and transparent, I say, yes she most certainly is.

Now… the first details of Palin’s interview with Gibson are reaching Alaska….I’ll be back.


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11 09 2008
Mil

She’s stonewalling and Charlie Gibson chickened out. So sad.

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McCain criticized Wasilla earmarks in 2001

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/palin.earmarks/index.html

11 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

what has Colberg said about all this?
isn’t he an elected official?

I know someone who knows Talis Colberg pretty well. The word is he’s stressed out in a big way. My friend speculates he’s into this way past his comfort level. And if Palin and Lt. Gov. Parnell get elected in November, he’ll be our governor. The AG is not an elected position. He’s appointed.
AKM

11 09 2008
Julie

did you see this? I would be interested to hear, I mean read, what you know about her response to these women’s issues. Wow, interesting stats from AK

http://theboard.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/governor-palin-and-the-pro-family-agenda/

Thanks!

11 09 2008
The Watcher

Nothing about the Palin Chronicles shocks me any more, except that McCain is still keeping her on the ticket. Keep up the good work!

11 09 2008
Samantha

I just watched the first half of the interview on ABC News. Take heart people! Gibson was pretty tough. (Although, some of his follow-ups could have been better.)

Palin faltered, was nervous, and he exposed her complete lack of knowledge several times!

The second part of the interview is still to come at the end of the broadcast.

11 09 2008
no more

Pride (vanity, hubris). One of the seven deadly sins – as I recall thought to be the worst-. Are you kidding me, didn’t think twice about McCain’s request to be VP nominee. I have to think twice before I buy a pair of pants. Oh and Putin. Yup, we’ll go to war if you don’t play nice. I wonder if Sarah has a clue on the status of our military’s combat readiness. And I guess I also heard that we would go after countries who don’t afford their people freedom. Wow, we’re going to have to get a much BIGGER army.

11 09 2008
jimstaro

Charlie Gibson chickened out.

Nope, I suggest you watch the interview again, but keep in mind the How Questions are asked in these types of interviews, and Time, you may or may not see what I’m talking but, but Gibson didn’t blow this nor were they soft, he understood her talking points answers and the Obvious Dodge answers, it’s up to the Audience to Get It!

And I Certainly Did!

She’s not even Ready to run a State, if Politics at all!

This whole life thing with her is All About Her!!

11 09 2008
PJ

On Chris Matthews, they are ripping Palin a new one with her “foreign policy” answers. Even Pat Buchanan looks sick.

11 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

wow. i hope he tells the truth. if he was sent by the gov, its hard to argue with. it seems there’s not a lot of argument that people don’t say no to certain people up there and keep their jobs. he could probably come out of this clean, AND sleep well at night.

11 09 2008
Miemaw from Texas

Mudflats, you will love it. Just read some of the transcript on Huffington Post.
Aside from being ready and willing to invade Russia, not much there. (Somebody had to tell her Georgia wasn’t part of NATO – so war with Russia wasn’t really necessary — in defense of Georgia.) Oh… The Bush Doctrine ??? (Charlie explained that to her.) Her foreign policy credentials? She knows about energy. (Must have learned that from reading Obama’s energy plan.)
I keep thinking it’s those long months — you know when there is no sunshine. Or maybe it’s that it’s so darned cold. Or maybe it’s that harsh environment. Oh wait. (Anchorage is a pretty modern city.) Maybe it’s post-partum something or other. I’m trying to think of a logical reason that your Honorable Governor, without a teleprompter, or somebody writing her speeches, — says such stupid things. And… to top it all off. The McCain campaign thinks that not only their campaign, but all of Christianity itself, is under attack.

We are expecting a hurricane in the next 24 hours. At least I am somewhat prepared for that. Nothing could have prepared me for the musings of Sarah Palin, in an unscripted interview, or her spot on a national ticket, as a potential Vice President. One heartbeat away from the office of the presidency. N.O.T.H.I.N.G.

11 09 2008
ocliberal

If I were in an Alaska elected official I think I might be jumping off the Palin train about now, just as she would doing if she was in the same position.

11 09 2008
Pacificnwgal

Because most of us civilians may think that, well, this is just the ususal legal mumbo jumbo. Lawyers always try these tactics. But, really… if Palin is innocent as she says she is in this case, why not just cooperate and get this thing over with? It just gets more complicated and looks like an attempt to avoid prosecution by someone who knows she is guilty as hell….

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Clear and transparent. Clearly a typical politician and transparently a liar.

If we can force the media to do their job (revealing the truth rather than milking inconsequentials like her daughter’s pregnancy and lipstick), she will self destruct.

Write the heads of newspapers, write the network news. Demand that they take their very critical job seriously!

When you read a story that clearly only served to tantilize instead of clarify, go to the bottom of their page and click on “contact us.”

And most important (also the hardest to do), don’t continually click on articles whose headline shows it is obviously only trying to milk an inconsequential topic.

Either we are a Jerry Springer society or not. You decide.

11 09 2008
Mil

Well, I’m glad I was proved wrong on Charlie. Thank goodness. I read the 3 segments that were released and I’m waiting on a transcript to read.

I take back the ‘chicken out’ comment. But it sure did look like it by the few bits released at the time.

Go Charlie!

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

PJ (15:56:39)
Even Pat Buchanan looks sick.

I’ve read a lot of Buchanan’s essays since the invasion of Iraq. Based on those, I would imagine that he is disgusted to the core at the thought of her being in charge of foreign policy.

He has been extremely critical of Bush and Cheney the past 7 years.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Charlie has no ba**s, but you have named YET ANOTHER doll for our collection, Mudflats:

WONDER WOMAN OF WASILLA

Mattel shoud be paying you handsomely.

11 09 2008
Waxman

Saw the Gibson interview – That was Scary!!!! All softballs – and questions prescreened – and yet she didn’t have her script exactly memorized – and did you hear her voice crack when Asked about the Bush Doctrine.

What kind of person says I never hesitated a moment – never doubted for a second that she was fit for the job. She wasn’t even fit for the interview after 2 weeks of cramming. That may be her true feelings – if so – I pity you Alaskans and this country if she is elected. This is a pathological issue – a person with no conscience – no inner voice to question her decisions. Do you want someone who has no second thoughts with their finger on the button!!!!!! Wow – now we can see why she is so good at firing people – she never doubts that her decisions are right. She obviously has absolutely no ability to relate to others – no empathy – this is even scarier than John McCain – I think he might have even admited that he thought long and hard about his abilities before jumping into the race. I am stunnned!!!

11 09 2008
Regi

I don’t take it back about Gibson, I think she was ready and prepared for the God’s will, the Israel bombing Iranian missile bases and the Russia question. He threw her one curveball with the Doctrine questions but that can easily be spun by the media. I think Gibson was soft, but was expecting a soft interview. What is he exactly? a journalist or a talkshow host? If he considers himself a journalist he owes us a serious reflection on the interview and his perception of Palin. Since he’s the only person other than McCain who’s actually gotten to meet her.

11 09 2008
Laurie

When Chris M was interviewing Pat Buchanen and some other fellow, he counted 4 times that she answered word for word to different questions. The other fellow said that what she needs to do is to demur on those questions and just say that there will be lots of good minds looking at that stuff. What the heck???

11 09 2008
TwinpeaksnikkiSF

Can anyone tell me why elected officials in Alaska do not ant to participate on Ed Schultz’s Townhall Forum Saturday night?

11 09 2008
Laurie

Regi…she was dead wrong on the Israel question. Even Pat Buchanen agreed. The US would NEVER LET Israel bomb anybody.

11 09 2008
Catherine

I would have thought twice about accepting a vice-presidential nomination – and I’ve actually BEEN to Russia!

Can I dis-own my gender on this basis? Women aren’t interchangeable, and just because I have boobs doesn’t mean I’ll vote for a two-boob ticket!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

I have two questions:

1) Mudflats – is this beyond your wildest dreams, or did you know that Caribou Barbie was missing a moosehead (or two)? I mean, I can’t imagine even HER ADVISORS splaying themselves in front of her begging her not to embarrass your state.

2) With all those hundreds of lobbyists on McCain’s campaign payroll, you would think they could have drummed something into Warmonger Barbie’s head. I think she listened to McCain’s acceptance speech one too many times andfell asleep right about the “War, War, War!” part, and that is all she remembers.

I am starting a Why I’m Qualified to be a SuperPower President Coloring Book because I need a bit of delusion if they are going to win.

11 09 2008
Laurie

Guys….you have to listen to KUDO

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Laurie: “…they will never let Israel bomb anybody…”

I bet you one of my new coloring books that Israel will bomb Iran with the USA before March 2009.

11 09 2008
Laurie

@proud…yes…if McCain gets in..I can see that. My point was that Buchanen cringed…because it was a confrontational statement. lol…you could actually see him shiver.

11 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

this is the opening from Robert Jervis’ “Understanding the Bush Doctrine” which is quite a read. the wikipedia entry seemed like a carcass to me
the notion of opportunity is striking to me, and how it relates to the neo-con theory. anyway, its a toothy 14 page read, but i’ll be happy to send a pdf if anyone wants it, or could tell me how to link it somewhere. mcsame is boring me.

The Bush Doctrine has four components: a strong belief in the
importance of a state’s domestic regime in determining its foreign
policy, and the related judgment that this is a time of great opportunity ’
to transform international politics; the perception of great threats that ’
can be defeated only by new and vigorous policies (most notably
preventive war); a willingness to act unilaterally when necessary; and,
as both a cause and a summary of these three elements, an overriding
sense that peace and stability require the United States to assert its
primacy in world politics. It is of course possible that what we are
seeing is mostly an elaborate rationale for the overthrow of Saddam
Hussein that will have little relevance beyond that. I think the Bush
Doctrine is real, however. It is quite articulate, and American policy
since the end of the war has been consistent with it. Furthermore, there
is a tendency for people to act in accord with the explanations they
have given for their own behavior, which means that the Doctrine
could guide behavior even if it started as a rationalization.2

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Laurie,

“Let” Israel??? The truth is, what does Israel let us do (or not do). They call the shots on our foreign policy much more than we call theirs. But most in America don’t know this. And no, I am not anti-semitic (because I know that is coming…it’s what we’ve been trained to say). I used to do it myself I’m ashamed to say. Then I started finding out about the world and reading Israeli newspapers. Then, I found out who calls the shots.

You want to know why we invaded Iraq? Watch this. And note that 100% of those interviewed (except for Colin Powell’s chief of staff) are Jewish. It’s not a Jewish thing. It’s about the truth.

11 09 2008
Regi

Laurie (16:12:36) :

Regi…she was dead wrong on the Israel question. Even Pat Buchanen agreed. The US would NEVER LET Israel bomb anybody.

It’s not about being wrong Laurie. She was WRONG on all her answers. It’s about appealing to what they perceive as a large population of Americans who are xenophobic warhawks, fundamentalist Armageddon promoting types and the ignorant who’re happy if she’s not drooling. Personally I still believe they’re still using her for fundraising and she’ll resign with some lame family excuse, but letting this farce go on this long is just sad on all sides. Including Democrats who want her to hang around because they think she’s easy to beat.

11 09 2008
PJ

Laurie, that was Willie Brown, the former mayor of San Fran I believe. I think what he was trying to say is that when you’re hit with a question you don’t know the answer to, punt it off. Demurr to answer the question. Otherwise, you run the risk of saying something stupid, like Palin did.

11 09 2008
Halcrow

Wow. The ABC excerpts are scary.

This lady has very little style and no substance.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=1

11 09 2008
PJ

http://www.americablog.com/

They’re hitting McSame hard on the rape kit issue.

11 09 2008
Waxman

I think there is a thread here to prove that she is close to grabbing a pistol and going to take care things. No one remembers her at college – quiet and unassuming – isn’t that what they say about the campus shooters. Feels she is being picked on. Now this – no inner voice saying “I wonder if I’m good enough…. ” No she didn’t even blink – didn’t even doubt a minute that she was capable….

If I were in Alaska, I’d steer clear of the capital for a bit – there is a such a thing of having too much self esteem.

11 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

thanks my mudflat pals for letting me talk to myself on the other blog post!!!!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

I am Qualified to be a SuperPower President because:

Page 1) I am tall. I am strong. I wear nice glasses.
Page 2) I like guns.
Page 3) I like big guns. I can shoot from a helicopter! Pow, Pow Wolf! (okay, this might have to be a 2-pager)
Page 4) I can speak in tongues. Watch! Listen to me talk about the Holy War!
Page 5) ….oh sorry…. I meant to say I quote Abraham Lincoln, a President
Page 6) Which I am now! A President!
Page 7) Look at my shiny new desk!
Page 8) Look at my shiny new pen!
Page 9) Look at that shiny red button that says Nooo-clur. Oh! Oh!
Page 10)Boom! Boom! Boom!

The END

11 09 2008
Ky

OMG, PJ! o.0
Unbelievable!

11 09 2008
HelenWheels

Can you really see Russia from Alaska you all? Because Palin just said she could, in response to Gibson’s question about her “insight into Russia.”

She abysmally failed the interview. She also didn’t know what The Bush Doctrine is.

Uh oh, her lack of experience is starting to show!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Sorry I missed a word – that is my new Sister (Saint) Sarah Coloring Book. I think I can make some bucks before the election which will help me get to NZ or Canada or England if Gramps and Sissy are elected.

11 09 2008
Sarah in CA

@ no more: “Wow, we’re going to have to get a much BIGGER army.”

Well, maybe this is the real reason she’s Pro-Life. 😡

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@HelenWheels –

Well, I may have to add a page to my coloring book then:

Page X: I have superpowers! I have X-Ray vision! I can see RUSSIA from Alaska!

11 09 2008
Laurie

The service panel that McCain is speaking at right now, well…he was just asked about Sarah Palins comment about Community Organizers. AT.A SERVICE. CONFERENCE…ouch

11 09 2008
Irishgirl

@Cynthia,
Sorry we all jumped ship.

11 09 2008
Laurie

@proud2busa….I have a lovely spare bedroom here for you. Do you like dogs? I have 2, but dont worry….they arent pit bulls.

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

On the Service Forum McCain said governors have the toughest jobs in the country – they have to hire and fire…

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Proud2BUSA (16:17:11) :

@Laurie: “…they will never let Israel bomb anybody…”

I bet you one of my new coloring books that Israel will bomb Iran with the USA before March 2009.

Dear Proud,

Oh, I fear you are so right. A friend and I have been talking and we worry that if it looks like Obama is going to win, Isreal will strike Iran.

Israel is very nervous about Obama’s “loyalty” to the 51st state.

Obama is on this video. But in his defense, I believe, (perhaps naively but I think not), that he is just doing what he MUST, otherwise, he would never get elected. I think he will have America’s interests at heart once elected. He is our only hope.

11 09 2008
raingods

She seemed very snappish as well on that interview. She didn’t come along as likable one bit. I now see why they don’t want her doing interviews.

11 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

I posted this on another blog topic but I will say it again:

Does anyone else find it weird that the camera is never showing Palin’s face straight on? It appears the entire interview is shot from the side angle.

11 09 2008
Sarah in CA

Even Bush didn’t make the asinine statement that he’s an expert on Mexico because he can “see it” from Texas. I don’t know what’s worse — the things this woman says, or the way people lap it up like Kool-Aid.

I think that woman who swam the Bering Straight knows a bit more about exactly how close Russia is. (And if it’s so close — WHY HASN’T SHE BEEN THERE?) Hell, those guys from “Deadliest Catch” have been closer to Russia than Palin has. Good God.

11 09 2008
Mil

Laurie (16:35:06) :

The service panel that McCain is speaking at right now, well…he was just asked about Sarah Palins comment about Community Organizers. AT.A SERVICE. CONFERENCE…ouch

~~

Not ouch! Karma! 😉

11 09 2008
drchill

heh – I’m an astronaut because I can see the moon !

11 09 2008
grunherz

Look at that shiny red button that says Nooo-clur. Oh! Oh!”

Isn’t it NOOK-YOOO-LUR?

=?

God help us.

Anyway, here’s a pretty funny cartoon to lighten things up.

Oh and some commentary too.

11 09 2008
marksmyword

I was not totally impressed with the interview. Gibson asked a few hard questions, and you could see she’s been cramming. But her starting each answer with “Charlie” got on my nerves.

11 09 2008
Laurie

LMAO @ Proud2b….hubby is confused as to why I am laughing so hard.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Laurie – I love dogs, and pitbulls are okay, as long as they don’t wear lipstick. Thanks for the offer!! I think dogs are much nicer than a lot of the human race at times and we could learn a lot from them. I think it would be so much more appropriate to include the word “rabid” in Palin’s description – don’t they turn delusional about then?

11 09 2008
Lauren

Does anyone else think that if you ignore the hair and glasses, when Palin talks about Islamic Extremists she actually sounds just like one?
My fav line of Gibson’s so far…”woa, I got lost in your blizzard of words, was that a yes or no…”
I too think Palin is scary, scarier than McNutJob ever could be.

11 09 2008
judi

Yellow, they want to show her cheek bones. Sad isn’t it?

11 09 2008
11 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

Judi:

I guess so. Just seems silly to me to ask her “if she can look americans in the eye and say she is qualified to be VP or even Pres” when “america” can’t even look her in the eyes on TV!

11 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

lost post?
nytimes.com on the interview

11 09 2008
PJ

Not ready to meet the press

Not ready for prime time

Not ready to be VP

11 09 2008
antiAnti

During the Cuban Missle Crisis I was told that my “distance from Russia” was measured in minutes – we lived near a Strategic Air Command base.

In terms of big and very bad missiles everyone living soul on the planet is in range.

(rousing chorus of “It’s a small world after all”)

11 09 2008
Sarah in CA

You know how nervous most of us feel about having Kim Jung Il at the helm of his “red button”? Sad to say, I feel pretty much the same way about Palin.

If the McPalin ticket is anti-war, then I just don’t know what to say.

@ Lauren — she IS an extremist! And the pastor who endorsed John McCain made extremist statements as well, about how it’s America’s “destiny” to wipe Islam from the face of the Earth.

Where do these people COME from??

11 09 2008
Michele

Just reading the ADN editorial page and find the comments from readers pretty shocking. Seems that people up there don’t realize this is no longer a simple local political story. The vicious attacks on the investigators are way out of proportion to the situation, and clearly the facts of the case are of no interest to Palin’s fiercely loyal followers up there. It’s scary, really. The attitude seems to be that the rest of the country has no business digging through her messes, despite the fact that she invited exactly that sort of national scrutiny when she accepted the VP position. There is clearly no way to reason with these people–they want to believe what they want to believe when it comes to Sarah’s snow white virtue. I wonder how pervasive this in the rest of the country?

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

McCain says it’s very important that “we stick to the issues” and that’s what he plans to do for the next 54 days…but who’s counting?

Now Obama is coming on – I am watching on MCNBC

11 09 2008
pamela

Reading the transcript of the SP interview on the ABC site…OMG, not any doubt about being the VP???

But doesn’t it seem like she’s just mouthing all the “correct” code words? America must be strong – against Russia, Iran, etc? VP Palin will be strong – just like McCain…There’s a military solution to every problem…solidify the red state vote…

11 09 2008
judi

I have to believe that the majority of this country will refuse to vote for the mccain/palin ticket.

11 09 2008
lisa

Donate a few buck now to http://www.barackobama.com

Eight is ABSOLUTELY ENOUGH!

11 09 2008
Catherine

That would be one dang funny coloring book – and you wouldn’t even have to be one of those edumacated “ee-leets” in order to understand it.

I suppose you could see Russia from Alaska – but Moscow and the vast majority of the HUMAN population are about six time zones away from the Kamchatka penninsula, so unless she was negotiating with bears and salmon she’d be s.o.l. (Sans guns, of course – pure diplomacy!)

11 09 2008
Lani

Pat Buchanan has openly warned that McCain will be a war president. “McCain will make Cheney look like Gandhi.” If McCain worries him that much, Buchanan must be puking his guts out over Palin’s war with Russia talk.

11 09 2008
gizmo

What the hell was ABC thinking by running an interview with Palin on the anniversary of 9/11? I hang around the blogs a lot, and didn’t notice much controversy about the scheduling of that interview. Is it too much to expect that we could have had a day of solemn recollection, and not do politics today?

WTF ???

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@YellowDogDemocrat: “….why won’t they look at her straight on?”

I think that’s ABC’s way of showing deference….isn’t it Mariah Carey, or is it Madonna … that won’t let anyone below them look directly at them?

11 09 2008
Laurie

@PJ

Thank you for Mr. Brown’s name. I wonder though how effective she will be in the debates with Biden if she cant talk about foreign policy. It boggles my mind.

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

hi mudflatians! i tried to read the posts re: palin, georgia, etc.

did anybody discuss the main reason for the georgia conflict is the oil pipeline in georgia. it is just more war for oil nonsense cloaked in “cold war 2.” rhetoric. since palin thinks she is queen of the pipelines she HAS to know about some of this.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/09/MNDG127U55.DTL

11 09 2008
Laurie

What the hell is this deference crap about? Who does she think she is? Politicians are not Gods Sarah Palin

11 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

I would hope people are smarter than to fall for their joke of a ticket. I live in the South and it is scary to me how many people “just love Sarah.” I am a Christian but I don’t fall for the Christian, right-wing facade that she puts on. I know my state will vote red (last election was almost 70%), so I have to put my faith in those of you in other parts of the country.

11 09 2008
Laurie

Obamas welcome at the conference is huge…I am so pleased.

11 09 2008
Laurie

Guys help me…I need an intervention. Reading mudflats…listening to CC and listening to the conference. I am so confused.

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Michele (16:51:53) :
“Just reading the ADN editorial page and find the comments from readers pretty shocking. Seems that people up there don’t realize this is no longer a simple local political story.”

Possibly this is the newspaper we should all be writing to – OR maybe we should be sharing our opinions with all major Alaska newspapers.

11 09 2008
wombat

War with Russia? RUSSIA?! Is Palin out of HER FREAKING MIND!

She is advocating Armageddon – End of Days – the total DESTRUCTION of EARTH.

It’s simple: McCain/Palin are UNFIT TO SERVE.

Wake UP AMERICA already. sheesh.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

To all the comments about Israel –

I agree with you all. I’ve been researching this stuff over the past couple of days, and it scares the hoot out of me. I’m counting on drchill to fly me to the moon since you’re going to be an astronaut. Okay, so I’m going to give you a couple of links. You may choose to either have a big girl drink (make it a double) or give yourself a sleeping pill because it’s really scary. I keep thinking I must have gotten innocently clued into something that can’t be happening and that the dots fitting together are just consequential. I’ll let you decide. . .

…..now Come with me, and Enter the Twilight Zone….

11 09 2008
Laurie

@Lani….Buchanen looked absolutely sick when he was discussing the interview Palin had. He was actually hanging his head….and wasnt his usual loud self.

11 09 2008
Catherine

“Deference.” The word just makes me furious.

Poor baby! The precious Northern ice princess wants to ensure she has the proper attitude from her prospective subjects before she deigns to address them publicly. Poor princess.

Like Putin or the guy from Iran (I know his name, just can’t spell it) or the leader of Sudan or the government of China will give a fig for her delicate feelings.

I’d love to ask her the questions in the debates. Give me a couple weeks of cramming and I’d put on a better performance.

11 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

did everyone just hear palin scream in the background? i bet mccain tried to cop a feel.

11 09 2008
Groundhogday

Read the ABC news on line comments. There are a substantial number of folks out there who think Charlie Gibson was being mean to her, trying to trick her up by asking tough questions. Like… “What do you think of the Bush Doctrine?” That was a real meanie…

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Founder of the CUFI (Christians United for Israel) Pastor John Hagee stated:
“the United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ.”.

CUFI has hosted calls with Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Sallai Meridor, SENATOR JOE LIEBERMAN (YOU GOT YOUR AH HA! MOMENT YET?) and Israel’s former Ambassador to the United Nations Dore Gold.
http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer?pagename=events_Conference_Call

So what? You ask – well, Lieberman and McCain are heavily tied in here:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/27/lieberman-to-speak-at-cufi-event-hagee-must-still-be-moses/

“When it comes to Pastor John Hagee, John McCain and Joe Lieberman have a lot in common. Both men addressed the 2007 convention of Hagee’s organization, Christians United for Israel (CUFI). McCain and Lieberman each voiced support for a pre-emptive strike against Iran. But while John McCain aggressively sought Hagee’s endorsement, only Joe Lieberman compared the Texas pastor to Moses. And judging by his agreement to speak at CUFI’s upcoming 2008 conference, Joe Lieberman still believes it.”

Unfortunately for Joe Lieberman, it now turns out that John Hagee had in mind another modern-day Moses: Adolf Hitler. Hitler, Hagee tells us, was sent by God to deliver the Jews to Israel:
“Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says — Jeremiah writing — ‘They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,’ meaning there’s no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don’t let your heart be offended. I didn’t write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.” (Hagee)

11 09 2008
karen marie

so mccain’s apparent “confusion” in himself answering a question about palin’s foreign policy cred by talking about her energy cred is not confusion at all — it’s apparently something that they have decided deliberately to do — they answer a different question altogether but do it consistently and with the same substitution and then just insist that they’ve answered the question asked.

mccain is bound and determined that black will in fact be white by november 5.

i am just glad there was a transcript for the palin/gibson interview, i simply cannot listen to that woman’s voice again. it is like fingers on a chalkboard — and that’s ignoring the content.

palin’s existence is in itself proof that there is no god.

11 09 2008
Catherine

@ Rhett:

The pipeline in Georgia is a lot more important for the European countries, too. Russia wants to increase their ability to economically influence them, so it really doesn’t have anything to do with the US. And if Georgia hadn’t gotten delusions of defeating Russia this whole thing wouldn’t be happening – you never give someone an excuse if you don’t have to.

Although I did chuckle when Russia (Medvedev, I think?) talked about regaining Russia’s position in the world. I thought, “you’ll have to do more than run over a dinky little bordering country and poach hockey players from the NHL for that – but please keep talking!”

(Sorry about the hockey thing – I’m a hockey fan, and the Alexander Radulov deal was pretty big this offseason.)

11 09 2008
VA Democrat

Different topic, but does anyone get the New Yorker magazine? Mudflats gets a great shout-out on p. 33:

“And there’s Mudflats, the anonymous Alaskan blogger who has become a go-to source for Palin muckraking in the liberal blogosphere.”

Way to go!!!!

11 09 2008
Laurie

@proud….I am not normally very negative…and believe it or not, I am fairly intelligent. You are scaring me. I always gave myself credit for having a larger world view than many of the people I know. I realize most people are so busy living day to day, that not much thought is given to the what ifs..or what could be. Perhaps its a statement of what my life is about that I do think about these things.

Its just hubby and our 2 dogs. Our kids live far away, and even though we speak often on the phone…I dont seem them often. I work, and perhaps its that has helped develop my view as well. I am a social worker who has ..heaven forbid…been involved in community organizing.

I guess what I am saying is I seem to have more time and opportunity to think about the things we are talking about here.

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that Israel and the US would bomb Iran? Please believe me…I am not pretending to be naive. Perhaps I just didnt want to go there.

Being Canadian, I really havent been confronted with this kind of thing. Yes…we have troops in Afghanistan….and even though we are proud to support our American friends….its a difficult for us. As Canadians we have been known and been proud of our reputation of peace keeper. I have realized in the last year that we cannot hang onto that hat any longer. As difficult as it is….we have to stand up and be counted.

I dont believe though, that Canadians will sign up for Iran…Pakistan…Russia..or anything else. Heck..maybe I am naive. Perhaps our Prime Minister would.

If I have learned nothing else these last 2 weeks…I realize just how important it is to know exactly what is happening in the world…but most especially in my own country.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Twilight Zone (continued)

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/actnow/357888 – watch the video. About 1/2 through you will notice that there is a shot of Lieberman and McCain talking to the camera. McCain: “….it’s obvious that Pakastan is housing terrorists…” and then Lieberman gently pulls him close and says: “…Iran, John…”

You have to go outside of the US media, but as Lieberman was to be a keynote speaker for the 2008 Conference, I wanted to find out exactly what he said:

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=2622

Hagee obviously knows how important Lieberman is to him: http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/shoebat-dropped-from-cufi-event/

Here is what Lieberman stated: http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=2728

McCain was endorsed for President.

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Dear Proud,

If you watched the Dutch documentary I listed, Hagee was interviewed.

Along with Richard Perle, Colonel Wilkerson (Colin Powell’s chief of staff), Mearsheimer (Prof. of Univ. of Chicago and co-author of Mearsheimer/Walt study on AIPAC and Jewish), Tony Judt (Historian and Jewish), Kenneth Roth (Director of Human Rights Watch and Jewish), among many others.

The MSM does not report on this. The Israeli media does as well as the rest of the world. We are in a black out. That is why so many Ameirca-loving Jews have come out because no one is aware of AIPAC’S power over Congress.

A MUST WATCH!!! Especially if you want to understand why we do what we do with regard to foreign policy. Especially if you are a patriot that loves your country.

I have to say….I’ve noticed that more and more Americans are becoming aware (thanks to Measheimer and Walt mostly) and the MSM are beginning to talk about this formerly “totally off-limits topic.” Isn’t that funny that any topic would be “off-limits” in America. Yet it is. But I see that it’s changing…especially in the last year.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Here is another link (this one has to be a really FAR whichever direction you choose): http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2008/07/lieberman-addresses-cufi-threatens.html

There is a resolution currently on the Hill – I can’t find my link – I will find it and get it to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWWPidbzk_0 – this will give you more information as to what is going on.

11 09 2008
Irishgirl

Goodnight mudpuppies,

I do think it was a good night for us.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Now. Palin’s Pastor is a member of CUFI. You’ve heard yourself Palin refer to our war with Iraq as a “Holy War” –

we’ve heard on the link Valhalla provided earlier this evening declare for people to pray for the pipeline to be built in Alaska, and with the help of MudFlats we’ve found out that she believes the pipeline will help those left during the Armageddon when the rest of the United States is blown off the map.

I am personally freaked out. I went back and read McCain’s Acceptance Speech, and yep – there was Iran and the threat of Nuclear Weapons (WMD) and McCain declaring he’s not afraid – you know the drill: War, war, war. . . fight, fight, fight.

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Catherine: thanks for the response! i think a lot of people are not aware the amount of oil “products” the U.S. EXPORTS. everybody is screaming “drill now” while we are shipping oil all over the globe–including europe.

“As of March, the latest data available, U.S. oil refiners were exporting more than 1.8 million barrels a day of crude oil, gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and other refined products. The top five destinations for U.S. fuel were Mexico, Canada, the Netherlands, Chile and Singapore.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24881660/

11 09 2008
Sarah in CA

As a once-practicing Jew, I don’t believe in the 2nd coming. I don’t really believe in much these days, thus the “once-practicing” bit. But the thought of nu-CLE-AR war still scares the F out of me. The fact that people want this because they read it in a BOOK scares me even more.

If McCain/Palin were merely menaces to this country, I could handle that (though I’d still hate it). Fact is, the whole world will suffer if these two are put into power. If Pat Buchanan is nervous, it’s time to WAKE UP. This race shouldn’t even be this close!!

11 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

have you heard of the ipf?
israel policy forum
good alternative to aipac.
http://www.israelpolicyforum.org/

11 09 2008
willpen

I just read the transcripts of Palin’s interview and the only thing that I can say is that she is one very dangerous bitch…… God help us if that woman every has her finger on the nuclear codes……( insert heavy sigh )

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

I don’t know if my earlier post was clear. Those people I mentioned are Jewish and are rightly exposing and criticizing AIPAC. The reason I note that they are Jewish is because AIPAC routinely tries to discredit any criticism of Israel by calling them anti-semetic. In the past, it has been successful in shutting down the debate. No longer. How can you can Jewish people anti-semetic? Especially one whose father fled the Nazi Holocaust? Doesn’t fly.

11 09 2008
bwilder

REPUBLICAN CONVENTION SCHEDULE
by Daniel Kurtzman, politicalhumor.about.com

Minneapolis, MN

4:00 PM – Opening Prayers and Massages Administered by Rev. Ted Haggard

4:05 PM – Presentation of Confederate Colors

4:10 PM – Pledge of Allegiance to 9/11

4:15 PM – Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience

4:30 PM – George W. Bush Speech on Legacy of Peace and Prosperity,Canceled

4:45 PM – Dick Cheney Instructional Seminar on Waterboarding, Canceled

5:00 PM – Karl Rove Speech on Government Accountability, Canceled

5:15 PM – Tribute to the U.S. Constitution, Canceled

5:30 PM – VP Beauty Contest and Swimsuit Competition,featuring Sarah Palin,
Condoleezza Rice, and Rudy Giuliani

5:45 PM – Tribute Film to John McCain’s Houses

6:00 PM – Free Jack Abramoff Pep Rally

6:15 PM – Free Tom DeLay Pep Rally

6:30 PM – Free Ted Stevens Pep Rally

6:45 PM – Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience

7:00 PM – VP Briefing Session: The Busy Mom’s Guide to Battling Islamic Terrorism

7:15 PM – Larry Craig ‘Family Values’ Lecture and Toe-Tapping Exhibition

7:30 PM – Restroom Break

7:45 PM – Invitation to ‘Strip Down and Get Relaxed,’ delivered by Mark Foley
via Instant Message

8:00 PM – Lecture on the Effectiveness of Abstinence-Only Education, Sarah Palin

8:15 PM – Accidental Reference to ‘Obama bin Laden’

8:30 PM – Tribute to a ‘Nation of Whiners’ McCain Economic Adviser Phil Gramm

8:45 PM – Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience

9:00 PM – Group Sing-Along: ‘Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran’

9:15 PM – Mitt Romney Endorsement of Jockey Underwear

9:30 PM – Joke Interlude: McCain Tells the One About the Lawyer and the Catfish

9:45 PM – Rallying Call to ‘Drill Here, Drill Now,’ Followed by Unveiling of an Oil Rig
on Speaker’s Platform

10:00 PM – Halliburton Seminar: Profiting from the Next 100 Years of War in Iraq

10:15 PM – Parade of Alaskan Delegates Across Glitter-Encrusted Bridge to Nowhere,
led by Sarah Palin

10:30 PM – Ceremonial Shattering of Glass Ceiling with Shotgun Blast Fired by Palin

11:00 PM – John McCain Acceptance Speech and Plea to Delegates to ‘Get Off My Lawns’

11:30 PM – Closing Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience

12:00 AM – Rapture and Farewell to Bush and Cheney

11 09 2008
SMR

I would love to see letters to the ADN (Anchorage Daily News) from readers outside of Alaska. I wish that everyone in Alaska could see the negative impression of Alaska/Alaskans/US Citizens that she is giving the rest of the US and the world. We have had a couple of token outsider letters published each day, but not enough. I am one of those who thinks that ADN often seems like a brainwashed Palin-pandering newspaper whose credibility & willingness to really report an ubiased story has been questionable in the recent past. However, the fact that other news agencies are now reporting on local issues has forced them to be a bit more aggressive in their reporting.

Many many thanks to this site and to the excellent news reported here — the FACT-based news. This site & the excellent contributors (comments & links) have made me realize that I have got to get out of my Palin-loathing state and be proactive. That being the case, today I donated lots of money to Obama and volunteered. I hope that by this weekend (after the rally, of course!) my daughters & I will be out pounding the pavement to talk about real change in the form of Obama/Biden! Alaska is a staunchly Republican state and I have little hope of changing that, but if I can inform some who are riding the fence and they can get the word out to friends & family in swing states maybe this one person can actually make a difference.

Thank you to everyone here — you have energized me, and possibly by 6 degrees (or so) of separation others as well!

11 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

pat buchanan is a whore.
he knows they suck, but its all about anti-choice and judges
that is more important to those patriots than our country.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@SusanInArt –

Thank you!!!! I’m with you – I was personally shocked, and although I had heard that we blocked things, and having had traveled in Communist Russia (yes! I’ve been there) and read their propoganda that was filled with so many half-truths that one is hard to dispute, I didn’t consider myself that naive. But this is just frightening, and yes, to an earlier question, I am coming to the conclusion that very few Americans know what is really happening on the Hill.

11 09 2008
NoCalGal

I repeat myself.. sorry.. had to…

“Sarah Palin’s foreign policy experience on display…

she lives 3 miles from Russia and has adopted the Russian approach to a free press….”

and you all are just NOT showing the proper amount of deference! 🙂

11 09 2008
SMR

Thanks for the great heading here! I’m borrowing it for my poster for Saturday’s Reject Sarah rally, I hope you don’t mind.

Look for my Stonewalling Sarah board! Any other great ideas/suggestions would be appreciated (gotta be G or PG).

11 09 2008
clark

“If I were in Alaska, I’d steer clear of the capital for a bit”
at wax: juneau might be a good place to avoid her. she doesn’t actually spend that much time there.

11 09 2008
ds55

Texas is staring down a hurricane. There’s no Republican convention at the moment. Bush is not on a plane to Galveston helping citizens evacuate.

11 09 2008
Laurie

ds55…are you surprised?

11 09 2008
ds55

Palin’s husband follows her like a body guard. Every photo of her getting off a plane, there he is. I don’t see Biden’s wife every time there’s a photo op.

11 09 2008
Sarah in CA

ds55 — well, *someone* has to carry the baby…

11 09 2008
An Alaskan Republican, no more

Help me! I was just reading the comments at ABC. Do I really live in this place? What is wrong with people? I would like to know if any of these Sarah lovers were defending that poor little guy when Campbell Brown flipped out on him. Or do the just defend pretty little Sarah. I haven’t watched the interview yet, but you have got to be kidding me! “He was hard on her.” “He tried to confuse her.” Correct me if I am wrong, isn’t that what reporters due?

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

okay I was trying to read all of your posts. I did see the beauty pageant at the RNC and was curious if Rudy won the swimsuit competition. . . .

@Laurie – here’s my thought, and please note at this point, I’m so danged freaked out that I’m sure I sound like that Mel Gibson character in Conspiracy Theory! I don’t KNOW HOW TO CONNECT THE DOTS. I don’t know what I don’t know. I do know the following:

1) McCain would sell his sould to be President. He has been trying and trying and trying. He has never gone this far right. But he did this time. Sold his soul.
2) The org gave the endorsement which throws millions of votes his way
3) Lieberman cannot be the VP, although that is what John wants. Lieberman will be speaker at the RNC (his home now with these far right …. people….) McCain needs a VP.
4) The Far Right with the help of Rove and Dobson handpick Palin, who is a strong believer and her pastor is a member
5) McCain is old. McCain looks tired. In fact, to me, McCain looks like he knows he has sold out and his own campaign is no longer his own.
6) If McCain is elected: this group gets their mouthpiece. They will own the Presidency. We all know Palin, who I’m hoping is or could be a nice neighbor (if I lived on 20 acre farm and I had a no flyover zone), does not have the background or is smart enough to be VEEP.

One of the missing links I’m trying to find, and I’ve heard about but can’t find, so I’m hoping one of you can help us – heard that there are several Catholic blogs out here who are declaring a “Sister” and potential Saint and are predicting the “2nd Coming.”

As I said, I’m spooked and I keep trying to take a break, but it’s hard with Lieberman out there, and McCain’s ambition having sold out. . . and then there’s Caribou Barbie who, as someone noted this evening, is so removed from reality that she does not understand her role, and that she is being used.

Am I freaked or on to something? you guys tell me.

11 09 2008
Lani

Proud, here is a clip of McCain on the stump, talking about bombing Iran, and Pat Buchanan’s warning about him. Those sections begin about halfway through the clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w
McCain-Palin is the war ticket.

11 09 2008
NoCalGal

An Alaskan Republican

those blogs are infiltrated with Republican party liners masquerading as regular citizens.. pay them no mind. There are really few of them but the SEEM to be a lot as they post often and loudly.. I think they are hired to go online and try to “show” that the public leans one particular way. It is not real..

“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtains…. ” (its probably Cheney)

11 09 2008
ds55

If the interview was too hard to handle, how’s she going to handle Russia or Iran?

11 09 2008
Groundhogday

Amazing. The media are actually trying to report this straight, as if what comes out of Palin’s mouth actually represents her views. 2 weeks of coaching, canned answers to very predictable questions.

What about the Bush Doctrine? Shouldn’t she know that ???? Common media, you need to hold her accountable!!!

11 09 2008
An Alaskan Republican, no more

I just read one on ABC that said she is the foremost authority in energy and oil! WHAT????

11 09 2008
Laurie

@Alaskan Republican….I wonder how all the real experts feel about that?

11 09 2008
Sydney

This is a great blog post by Judy Blume, who writes a heck of a lot of books for young people and teens (and many, of which, have had attempts at being banned) wrote this on her blog:
http://judyblumeblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/hockey-mom.html

Wow!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/palin-uses-magic-8-ball-i_b_125822.html

Looks Like I need to a Magic 8 Ball to the Coloring Book!

GOP vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin said today that she was “delighted” with her performance in a much-publicized ABC News interview with Charlie Gibson and gave credit to her “trusty Magic 8-Ball” for helping her come up with answers to “some darn tricky questions.”

“Charlie brought his A-game, that’s for darn sure,” Gov. Palin said after her interview. “That’s why it’s a good thing I had my Magic 8-Ball with me.”

11 09 2008
Peach

“Sarah” (Barbie’s new BFF?) is NOT smarter than a fifth grader. She was clue-free on the Bush Doctrine question, and her statement on Israel is frightening. I hope BO takes off on it and talks about her answers as if McCain had said it, After all, SP’s policies are in alignment with JM’s, right? One and the same??? I think BO can greatly benefit from her ignorance.

11 09 2008
marti

OK smr – I guess I better get cracking for my poster phrase for the rally on saturday. I’d like to say something having to do with Our $$$$$ defending her from us. God – there are so many issues. The ABC interview and her idiocy have me giddy and scared __less at the same time.

11 09 2008
Waxman

I thought Cheney was the Foremost Authority on Energy- He’s also from a state with lots of natural resources and not many people. I know I am so confident with Cheney in control…..

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

I know i have posted this before and i aplogize for being so repetitive and dull, but i think it is interesting the chick has been saying the same things over and over and…. what about health care? it is related to energy. why is the graduation rate at the high school in your town only 60%? we need to drill!

i know these posts move fast and there is not time to click on every link or read every post, but it is worth sitting through the dullness to see what is not there!

it is an interview from charlie rose 2007:

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/10/12/2/a-conversation-with-governors-janet-napolitano-sarah-palin

11 09 2008
Ohio Sue

okay – here it is – Sarah Palin action figures are on the market. really. They come in “business woman” “super hero” and, get this…”schoolgirl” – yes, ladies and gentlemen, SCHOOLGIRL.

AAAACCKKK!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/back-off-gi-joe/

11 09 2008
akmuckraker

I’m soaking up all your wonderful comments, but have an engagement this evening and will have to wait to see the interview until late tonight. ARgh! Don’t my friends who want me to socialize and have fun in the ‘real world’ know I have a LIFE??? 😉

11 09 2008
cmac

For those (not here) who are saying the press is “mean” and “tricky” to Sarah…..

Can people really believe that this is appropriate? Really? How do they expect the world will react to her if she is elected? Like somehow the terrorists will be genteel, or maybe the Iraqi’s will be “nice” to her, or maybe Putin will just see how NICE she is and instantly go along with her? (By the way did she REALLY talk about invading Russia?)

Seriously?

Tough questions are SUPPOSED to be asked of a presidential/VP candidate! If you can’t answer a tough question, how are you supposed to deal with a real tough situation?

I am stunned, saddened, scared.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@susaninatl –

your link is F.R.I.G.H.T.E.N.I.N.G.

Gosh, we’re a corrupt country. Even BIDEN is among them. I feel like I’m watching Children of the Corn. OMG – I think I was happier being stupid.

Thank you – keep those lovely cards and letters of yours coming as it is so intriguing. Do you think anything can get us out of this?

11 09 2008
Laurie

@Proud

Maybe I am crazy too…but I understood what you were saying. Wow…this election needs to be over.

I did notice McCain looked strange tonight. I actually feel kind of sorry for him. He still is always fiddling with his wedding ring when he is standing..he twists it in a manner that makes me feel is very very stressed. I dont think it has any undertones of wanting to be divorced..as that is how some others make note of it.

I would agree…and have even mentioned that he has to be understanding on some level, that he is the bottom end of the ticket now. I wonder how that makes him feel.

I agree fully with you regarding Palin, and I have noted it here in the last few days as well. Sarah palin has done herself….and all women a huge disservice by accepting this nomination. Due to her arrogance and pride, she has set us back.

What kind of a world do we live in…its frightening.

11 09 2008
Slappy

Wow, I just watched the first half of the interview too and all I heard was that we may have to be involved in wars with Russia, Iran, Isreal and Pakistan. Why is this happening right now? I feel like I’m in bizzaro world and I want out.

There is “land” here that I can see Mexico from…doesn’t mean I know anything about the inner workings of their government.

She has bad posture.

11 09 2008
Peach

For McCain to have picked Palin is kind of like putting a pig in a basketball game. Everyone’s so busy watching the pig, they don’t care who wins the game.

To me, the campaigning after the conventions has always been for the “ignorant” vote–people who look at the ads on TV and make up their minds from there because they’ve not bothered to educate themselves before then–and that’s who’s watching the pig!
Barack’s doing great at the conference!!!!

11 09 2008
Ohio Sue

I just threw up in my mouth. Sorry. Sarah Palin action figures are now officially available for sale. Really. They come in “business woman” “super hero” and, get this…”schoolgirl” – yes, ladies and gentlemen, SCHOOLGIRL. A company named “Herobuilders” Don’t have the website, but NYT has a story on it (and a picture – hence, the vomit).

AAAACCKKK!

11 09 2008
Laurie

@Rhett…I couldnt agree more. It is bizarre…truly.

11 09 2008
Peach

I’m an expert on Cuba because you can almost see it from here.

11 09 2008
Sydney
11 09 2008
Roschelle

Lipstick, pigs, pitbulls….I’ve never been more disappointed in the failure of an entire country to keep the issues first and foremost than I have been seen Gov. Palin’s meteoric rise to celebrity-hood. For God’s sake…the woman has a doll! People are bombarding Kawasaki (the designer of her signature glasses) with calls to get their pair…What has happened to America?

11 09 2008
Laurie

“snort” arent action figures like that…gasp…sexist?? I mean they didnt make a doll for the boy candidates..

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@ohio sue – OMG I can’t even type anymore I’m laughing so hard. SARAH THE SCHOOL GIRL ACTION FIGURE. . . does it come with a barracuda? Or just a baby…oooooohhhh sorry……

This has got to be every Congressman’s dream.

“Please sign my doll, VP Sarah….” and then they sheeplishly add: “…it’s for my daughter….”

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Proud,

You’re welcome! Pass it on….we are in the Matrix baby! Time to wake up the country!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

…it obviously won’t come with any books!! lol

11 09 2008
Sydney

I feel the cavalry is on its way…

11 09 2008
judi

I live in coastal Georgia and I can almost see Florida from here so I am running for governor of Florida!

11 09 2008
Kathy

finally – someone in the media takes McCain on- and he was not prepared for it- it is a Maine anchor, and it is clear he thought it was going to be some folksy reverential piece- guess what he will say Palin’s national security credentials are:

11 09 2008
Peach

Judi! Please do!!! We were trapped under JEB for 8 years and now we have Charlie Crist!!!

11 09 2008
JM

I keep seeing random things here and there that mention Bush admin people working for McCain or Palin, but they’re sprinkled around. Since this a a “reform” ticket out to clean up Washington (or Juneau), I’d love to see a chart that listed people that have worked for/with at least two of those listed before

Person Cheney Bush McCain Palin Stevens (anyone else key in Alaska R)
Person1 …

and fill in matrix with the role each person played for those listed at the top.

Has anyone seen anything like that, or even just a good terse list of people who are working for McCain/Palin who have worked for the others?

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Proud,

“Do I think anything can get us out of this?”

Yes. Knowledge. As more of us become aware, AIPAC’s power is neutralized. They only way they have had power is because they were able to paint any criticism with a hate-filled name. It shut down debate. As people become informed, that will no longer work. They say “bye-bye” to their power. It’s already happening. I’ve noticed a huge change in the last year compared to 2003 (when I first began to be aware of this).

It was this awareness I learned in early 2003 that proved the invasion of Iraq was a plan that was posed over a decade earlier by the neo-cons (as evidencenced by books they had written and speeches they had given pre 9/11).

Obama came to the same conclusions. Once you know the truth and watch his responses, it is apparently that he too “knows.” At least it seems that way to me. Although, I have a friend that is less than convinced that Barack is not just like the rest of them.

I have hope.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@SusanatAtl – oh my – I don’t want to be in the Matrix.

Who is Neo? Obama?

Who is Morpheas? Mudflats?

11 09 2008
Nebraska Native

Dear beloved and much read Mudflats… sorry about you trying to have a life “thing”… you gotta put all that on hold until after the election. You have become responsible for the sanity of so many. What was it Spock said? “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.” That’s you Dear One. Hope you had a great time this last time we let you out of your house🙂

Thanks so much for all you do!!!!!!!

Donate in the interim, sister and brother muddies…muddites? muddettes?

Nebraska, I meant that my friends in the real world don’t realize I have a life Here!🙂
AKMuckraker

11 09 2008
Reality Check

Oh My God. I just watched a couple of clips from the interview with Charlie Gibson. Sarah Palin has no business being a heartbeat away from the Presidency (especially with the face cancer guy’s heart being the one we are talking about)!

Instead of saying she had no freaking idea what the Bush Doctrine was, she tried unsuccessfully to bullshit her way through the answer! Gibson had to hold her hand to explain it to her, then she came up with another bullshit answer.

The problem is two-fold: Number one, she had no idea what the Bush Doctrine was (neither do most people, but most people are not running for VP). Number two, instead of admitting she did not know what the hell she was talking about, she tried to lie her way through the question…VERY SCARY!!!

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

@Peach (17:53:01) :
“For McCain to have picked Palin is kind of like putting a pig in a basketball game. Everyone’s so busy watching the pig, they don’t care who wins the game”.

Peach, I agree. Palin is the huge DISTRACTING pitbull, pig, ELEPHANT in the campaign now. Her nomination has become entertainment for the “ignorant” voters you refer to.

I read and article today that on HuffPo that I believe is related to that kind of entertainment that SELLS!…entertainment of MOCKERY

Mockery in the Public Discourse: Another Problem with Sarah Palin

In a nutshell, we are a society that has come to consider mockery an acceptable form of public discourse. As long as we’re not the butt of it, we accept it as humorous and clever, and so a legitimate form of human interaction. Whether it’s on a late-night comedy show, in a popular movie, or part of a political campaign, this form of public degradation is seen as “normal,” “standard practice,” and even natural or essential human behavior. We don’t care if a speaker’s words are vicious or denigrating, or even true — as long as they’re uttered with a smile and a joke line. As a society we have come to believe that “a pit bull with lipstick” is something to be lauded and admired.

This is a problem that seems, of late, to especially plague the Republican Party — whose entire line-up of convention speakers relied heavily on mocking their opponents.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pamela-gerloff/mockery-in-the-public-dis_b_125363.html

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@SusaninAtl –

I certainly hope so! I’m like Laurie. I know the extreme sides are out there, but I believe the vast majority of us are truly somewhere in the middle which is sad that we are not represented. I think we are ALL more alike than we are different regardless of religion, geography or gender. Most of us could probably sit down and have a nice genial dinner with someone and really enjoy them as a human (I would make sure not to serve anything that required a knife).

I want to believe, but as I watch this young, hopeful generation who are filled with dreams, hopes, and goals – this young generation who is more exposed to the global climate than ever before – it makes me sad that a few old men have deteriorated the very fabric of our Country to the point one wonders if we can rebound. . . . it just makes me think . . .

thanks for your understanding and education.

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Proud2BUSA (18:03:56) :

@SusanatAtl – oh my – I don’t want to be in the Matrix.

Who is Neo? Obama?

Who is Morpheas? Mudflats?

LOL!!! Yes, Obama IS NEO! And possibly, although I’m not sure, Mudflats could be Morpheas. Hey wait a minute! Can’t I be Morpheas?😉

Obama still will be vilified if he wins (he will) and chooses FAIR foreign policy that puts AMERICA First! He needs Americans, us, to deserve our freedom by keeping ourselves informed and engaged regarding the world….he was a community organiser after all ;)….people getting involved is part of who he is l)

11 09 2008
judi

Action figures here!

http://www.herobuilders.com/08.htm

unbelievable

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@AnneinWash –

I agree! We are a laughingstock to the rest of the world. As SusaninAtl, Laurie and I have been writing back and forth, these candidates have quite a different agenda than what you and I would think. They know it. They believe we are so collectively stupid as a nation that they can throw a young woman (with lipstick) who is so ambitious that she rivets the nation and no one cares about the issues.

I’m with you.

What’s the gig with all the Hawk Talk? Where do each of our Congressmen and Senators stand on this issue? I know I’m calling my representatives tomorrow to find out where they are and what they know.

What’s the gig with Health Care? the Economy? True Energy – a comprehensive Energy program? Education? Equality? Those are the things I want to know, and all we get are lipsticks on pigs, Barracuda and a VEEP candidate that just proves our educational system has gone down the tubes. (no offense to the hard working teachers out there)

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Proud,

I, too, believe that we are more alike than different. That is one thing I’ve really enjoyed about living in Atlanta. I’ve met, and gotten to know, people from all over the world. I have, on a deep level, become a better person through the experience of it. I am grateful for it.

Anyway….won’t you let me be Morpheus?😉

“I never said it would be easy,
I only said it would be the truth”- Morpheus

11 09 2008
ds55

The Matrix – Obama as Neo:
Obama as Neo

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

OMG ds55!!! That picture is FANTASTIC!

LOL!!!

11 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

the bottom line she doesn’t know the foreign policy part of this job description. she is charming her way thru this and it is shameful for John mccain to put our country on the road to peril. Sad just sad!!!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

okay – I am about to have bodily fluids spew all over the room I’m laughing so hard. ds55, THAT IS GREAT!! OMG…..

SusaninAtl – you can be Morpheas, but that means Mudflats has to be the Oracle then. That would be a good role. I am a weenie and just want to be the observer. But the MATRIX is truly a good example of what we are truly facing.

I can’t stop laughing. . . please hold. . l

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Poor CynthiainTx is trying to have a serious conversation – CynthiainTx we’re sorry – we got off on light topics, like Armageddon and that led to the Matrix which led to ds55 giving us a new campaign poster for Obama.

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Proud,

OMG…that is perfect! Yes! Mudflats is the Oracle!….the one who’s orchestrating this whole thing!😉

11 09 2008
JM

Ahh, I found a good article with a list of Bush folks involved in McCain/Palin:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/13323

Now, can AK folks generate a similar list of people appointed by / working for Palin who were/are in previous Republican AK organization?

11 09 2008
NMJ

Is there any doubt of Caribou Barbie’s real goal, or who’s behind her?

She has referred to McCain as her running mate.
When she and McCain hug; her face shows barely contained disgust and her whole body is stiff, like she’s being forced to touch something icky.
…and here’s something I don’t think anyone’s pointed out: The Vice President’s spouse isn’t the First Lady or First Gentleman or *gag* First Dude. That title belongs exclusively to the President’s spouse.

11 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Sad news just posted!!!

And the people in the battleground states want to vote for Mccain. My god people get a clue

Ford To Cut 4,200 Blue-Collar Employees, Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/11/ford-to-cut-4200-blue-col_n_125709.html

DETROIT — Ford Motor Co. has said that it wants to cut its blue-collar work force by another 4,200 employees, according to a person briefed on a presentation to union officials.

The struggling automaker is offering buyout and early retirement packages at manufacturing operations in Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky and Indiana as it continues efforts to trim its factory ranks to match lower demand for its products.

Ford has declined to publicly state a target number, but Joe Hinrichs, group vice president of global manufacturing, told union officials the company has 4,200 more blue collar workers than it needs, according to the person briefed on the presentation.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

okay – i’m breathing now.

The questions are these:

1) Can we turn it around? Will the general American Public (that have disappointed me thus far with their groupthink and braying) be able to understand and buy in?

2) Do we have time before 11/4?

3) What about the conspiracists who state that it was no coincidence that Obama is a Muslim name? And this is how doofus I am – I will celebrate people’s diversity, but at the end of the day, I don’t really think about it. I think that we are all AMERICANS. Obama is so articulate and gracious.

4) Are there assassignation possibilities? (I just remember the Hillary comment here)

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Proud,

You could be Dozier…..course they dumped him for the sequels (don’t compare with the original IMHO). Where was Dozier? I really liked him.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Question 4 – if he won

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Dozier DIED. Wasn’t he killed? Gee. THANKS!

11 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Proud2BUSA I am not like Palin Flower I am from Texas, I own guns and I am not afraid to use them!!! just step foot on my blog posts here!!!!! LOL!!!!

11 09 2008
pamela

Just watched the excerpt of SP expounding on the Bush doctrine, and she surely seems clueless. Then “Charlie” moves on to Pakistan and she sounds like she’s just memorized the “take on the terrorists who would destroy us” script.

But I can just see one segment of the population thinking “you go, girl” and “isn’t she tough” (uh, excuse me, a pit bull) and that does have me worried. As looney as she sounded to me, how will she play in Wyoming, or Mississippi, or Utah?

Yup, Sarah the superhero – but does she wear her glasses while she’s saving free people everywhere?

11 09 2008
Sara without an H

I’m hesitant to share links on a site with So Many comments I haven’t even skinned, but…

Someone I know questioned if any Hillary supporter could actually like Palin, take a look at http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net
Quitequite scary!

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Proud,

Okay.

Whew. You really bring me down with your questions. 😦

We all need to take a breath. My mother reminded me the other night that it’s only been two weeks. No need to fret so.

She does have the wisdom of age. She’s seen so many elections….she has a lot of experience. I’ve been pretty calm ever since.

What helped even more, I saw part of Obama’s interview on David Letterman. I came in right as he was talking foreign policy (the most important issue for me…and you know why). He gets it. I totally trust his judgement. Totally.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@JM – I think this would be excellent to know. People have spoken that they want a mandate for change. You and I know that this is all the same players for the Republicans but as someone noted this afternoon everyone likes something new and shiny. and Palin is the “new and shiny” –

It gets me. Rove must be laughing at all of this. What buffoons! he must be thinking.

11 09 2008
J T

Kathy wrote :”finally – someone in the media takes McCain on- and he was not prepared for it- it is a Maine anchor, and it is clear he thought it was going to be some folksy reverential piece- guess what he will say Palin’s national security credentials are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRki_WqUJY

PLEASE tell me that interview was a spoof. McCain really didn’t say those things???

I’m sorry, but after looking at that, if McCain actually wins this election it has to be that the country is more racist than I imagined. Those answers were idiotic.

Oh please….it was fake, wasn’t it???

11 09 2008
Catherine

@ Rhett:

Not only that, but the high Arctic is probably the most dangerous and costly place to drill for oil – and a quick look at a map would show that any oil would probably be destined for export to the countries of the Pacific rim, and not stay in the US. The lower 48 states are a long ways away from Alaska.

OT (kind of): I’m watching the History Channel on my cable provider, and they are airing footage of the day the towers collapsed – no commercials, just a running timeline and a series of footage from the people who were there. At first, everyone watching the fires the same way anyone goes out into the street to watch firefighters putting out a house fire, or anything else unusual, then the dark cloud and the rumble as the dust and rubble rolled down the street as the second tower fell, and then shocked people walking the street so covered in dust they look like ghosts.

And our sitting president that day, once he dragged himself away from My Pet Goat and came out of hiding, told the American people to go shopping like he was recording some kind of ****ing Christmas season commercial for a mall. For that and for squandering the goodwill the country had seven years ago and trying his best to flush the American reputation down the toilet, I will never forgive him.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@NMJ –

I agree with you and it is just ominous when you watch it and start to be armed with the knowledge we have. I agree. I believe the Far Right has an agenda and a purpose for Sarah Palin. The focus is NOT on McCain – people are missing that point – the Far Right wants Palin there. This is the first time that McCain and the Far Right have tried to dance, and they are pulling all the strings. That must be hard for McCain but his ambition got him here. He is no longer pulling the strings.

11 09 2008
Mil

Proud2BUSA (18:03:56) :

@SusanatAtl – oh my – I don’t want to be in the Matrix.

Who is Neo? Obama?

Who is Morpheas? Mudflats?

~~~

Does that make McPalin into Mr. Smith?? roflmao

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

@Proud2BUSA (18:16:02) :
…”Barracuda and a VEEP candidate that just proves our educational system has gone down the tubes. (no offense to the hard working teachers out there)”

Proud, I am a public school teacher and believe me, NO OFFENSE TAKEN!🙂 LOL Talk to most teachers and they will tell you how discouraging it is to teach under the current restrictions of No Child Left Behind, but I won’t even go there now…it’s too hard to get me to shut up, once I get on a roll regarding the “Great Sorting Machine” we call public education!

So, for now, we have an election to win. I am convinced it’s vital that we don’t allow ourselves to be duped by the Rovian politics of “divide and conquer”…we must not allow the Palin pick to dominate our country’s political conversation. Rick Davis says this election will be won based on personalities,not issues. MY FRIENDS, (sorry, couldn’t resist!) we cannot allow that to happen for ALL the reasons listed on this blog since the announcement of SP’s nomination!

11 09 2008
J T

Sara without a H….

That was scary.

Why do I hate it so when my own gender disappoints me??

Unfortunately, I think historically, women have often been our own worse enemy.

11 09 2008
makeitgoaway

Just finished watching the Columbia Univ forum on service. Both McCain and Obama did quite well. It was low key, relaxed and a chance for them to display their likeabilitiy factor and both did it well. This won’t serve any other purpose than to make people feel comfortable with both of them. It was actually refreshing not to have Mooselini splashed across the screen every minute.

Didnt get the opportunity to see wonder woman take questions from Charlie…hoping they rerun it later this evening. Sounds like shes not ready for primetime so it’ll be back on the campaign trail and stuck to McCain’s hip.

Someone else had mentioned how the ‘first dude’ seems to be always lurking in the background. Bothers me but I suspect that they don’t trust him to go off on his own and say something…oh lets say…stupid!

I’m guessing the shine is going to start to tarnish about next week some time…

11 09 2008
Kathy

JT- no, the McCain interview WAS REAL-
here is the link to the TV station with the interview a feature

http://www.wlbz2.com/video/default.aspx?aid=41549

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@SarahwithoutanH –

Gosh, that’s scary! You guys are really giving me nightmares. I don’t understand how ANY WOMAN who supported Hillary could support Palin. She doesn’t stand for anything that Hillary’s platform supported. Are people not reading? Not listening? Are these young women who are just caught up that Palin is a woman? We fought for equality but when we said that it didn’t mean that we wanted a woman who was a doofus to have the same as a brilliant man. We wanted EQUITABLE TREATMENT, E.G. competence should be treated equally. I don’t see Hillary and Sarah’s competence level at the same place. Do you?

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

Mil (18:32:46) :

Does that make McPalin into Mr. Smith?? roflmao

OMG Mil! That is perfect! Yes! She is….Doctor Smith. LOL

All you people here are just too clever and witty! No wonder I keep coming back.

11 09 2008
lulu

Those of you who’ve read any of my posts throughout the two long weeks we’ve all gathered here on Mudflats know that I was dismissive of Palin’s intelligence from the start. However, after seeing some of these clips, my predictions were kind. Palin is so much worse (under prepared, overwhelmed, and I’ll say it – dumber) that I ever dreamt ANY GOP Vice Presidential candidate could ever possibly be. And this is after she’s been sequestered and prepped.

I am in shock.

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

I meant Mister Smith….oops Had a “Lost in Space” flashback

11 09 2008
Diva

Just got in very long night (and day)

Random musing on your posts so far:

” Pat Buchanan is nervous, it’s time to WAKE UP. This race shouldn’t’t even be this close!!”

Pat B. is our Canary In the Coal mine. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Pat Buchanan called her “Sister Sarah” on Rachel Maddow’s show

“She was clue-free on the Bush Doctrine question, and her statement on Israel is frightening. I hope BO takes off on it and talks about her answers as if McCain had said it, After all, SP’s policies are in alignment with JM’s, right? One and the same??? I think BO can greatly benefit from her ignorance.”

Barack has forgotten more than she knows-on EVERY TOPIC! Do NOT forget that!

“Tough questions are SUPPOSED to be asked of a presidential/VP candidate! If you can’t answer a tough question, how are you supposed to deal with a real tough situation?”

“They” said Barack does not have enough experience. “They” don’t know jack-shit!

” Sarah palin has done herself….and all women a huge disservice by accepting this nomination. Due to her arrogance and pride, she has set us back.”

Totally agree! Put that in the email response to “The Desperate Housewives neighborhood gals”!

“Sarah Palin action figures are now officially available for sale.”

I saw those, but no “Home wrecker Barbie”-too bad!
(Maybe the Sarah doll next year. Cindy-watch out! He keeps fidgeting with that wedding ring…..that is totally a “tell”!)

“snort” arent action figures like that…gasp…sexist?? I mean they didnt make a doll for the boy candidates..”

“Old Geezer” Ken didn’t prototype well for some reason…….

“Please sign my doll, VP Sarah….” and then they sheepishly add: “…it’s for my daughter….”

Yeah, pretend we are at Hooters, sign the chest area…..right here…..

“I live in coastal Georgia and I can almost see Florida from here so I am running for governor of Florida!”

Hallelujah! There’s hope for Florida yet!

THE ONE kudo I will give her-I do dig the glasses

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

LuLu,

I only saw the two clips on ABC’s website but I also thought she did really poorly. She seemed unfortable…and what’s all that “Charles” business? She came off badly I thought. Yay! Just as we thought.

11 09 2008
Mil

Oh boy… I just realised what Palin’s saying of Charlie reminds me of… there’s these youtube videos of unicorns and candy mountain and it’s weeeeeeeeeird. But the way Palin says Charlie sounds like when the other unicorns say Charlie.

If I sound like I’m talking gibberish, look up the video… it sounds just like her.

11 09 2008
Catherine

@ AnneinWA:

That’s why I’m not a teacher, although I’ve considered it from time to time. Problem is that my interest is science – specifically biology – more specifically ecology and evolutionary biology, and the consensus of my family is that the over-under on throttling the first parent who started spouting any of that “intelligent design” claptrap is about three days. Not conducive to a long teaching career and gaining tenure, I think.

Safer for me to stay in a lab where the only people I’m tempted to choke are coworkers. 🙂

11 09 2008
Divatalk

Somebody,

What is the Bush Doctrine?

Sorry, I am clueless!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

GO ANNEINWASHINGTON!!! GO, grrrll!!

I wondered what my third grade teacher would have said if she saw that poster that had “John McCain – Mavrick!” on the RNC. I kept trying to figure out if the television crew knew it was a joke or it they too thought that was the correct spelling.

For our own leaders not to understand geography gives me the heebee geebees. Now, I went to school a long time ago (yes, when spanking was still allowed) and every morning someone was selected in class to go to the globe and our teacher would select the name of a country, and you had a minute to find it. It WAS SCARY BUT WE LEARNED OUR COUNTRIES AND WHERE THEY WERE!

Are most teachers rooting for Obama?

11 09 2008
Stacie B

Be sure and check out the lasted edition of the [url=”http://www.nationalenquirer.com/_palin_family_shockers_what_sarahs_really_hiding/celebrity/65407″]National Enquirer[/url]…more sorted details including Track’s drug use and Bristol’s promiscuity!

[quote]The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah ‘Barracuda’ Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah’s oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track’s use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER’s investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol’s pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER![/quote]

11 09 2008
Mainiac

I am from Maine and I assure you, this was a REAL interview with a respected local reporter.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Diva –

What a nice recap. you did miss the end of the World and Obama transformed into Neo from the Matrix. Look up ds55 posts.

11 09 2008
Laurie

Rachel and Andrea are really critiquing Palins interview with Gibson. Andrea admitted she is not ready, and that Biden has a lot to work with now. She did say though that she thinks many women will feel once again that Gibson treated her in a ….are you ready for this….sexist manner. Bull crap

11 09 2008
Susan in Atl

AnneinWA said:
we must not allow the Palin pick to dominate our country’s political conversation.

Anne,

You are so right! I feel it diminishing….don’t you….just notice how there are less comments on this blog….no offense Mukraker.

I think she’s starting to wear off. It’s only been two weeks. As she does less interviews (I think they’ll want to keep her away from reporters) and the public learns more and more…she’ll be null and void.

Let’s move on to the real issues at hand!

11 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Here is Mccain talking about the Bush Doctrine (video)

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/john-mccain-and-the-bush-doctr.html

11 09 2008
Regi

“Tough questions are SUPPOSED to be asked of a presidential/VP candidate! If you can’t answer a tough question, how are you supposed to deal with a real tough situation?”

Duh, you shoot at it.

11 09 2008
Regi

Divatalk (18:43:35) :

Somebody,

What is the Bush Doctrine?

Sorry, I am clueless!

I wish I could say you were in good company !

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Divatalk – Bush Doctrine

was created by President Bush and his Cabinet after 9/11/08 to provide a “workbook” if you will of various foreign affairs policy – it includes criteria for pre-emptive strikes, how to “spread democracy” and mitigate terrorism against US interests.

So, what does this really mean from a typical liberal view?

1) He trampled on all of us when he invaded Iraq as the US had never done this before. He did it in the name of terrorism and fear.
2) Identify which countries hold a threat to world (read US) stability
3) How to subdue the Middle East

I bet there are a ton of links out there – too bad Caribou Barbie didn’t use them.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

sorry! 9/11/01!

11 09 2008
Laurie

Diva

Bush Doctrine is that the US has the RIGHT to ATTACK any country if the admin even THINKS they mean harm. Its a presumptive doctrine that doesnt require a lot of backing up….and its dangerous. Most moderate republicans dont agree. It is the neocon movement.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/index.html

They use much larger and nicer words than I do.

11 09 2008
11 09 2008
pamela

@Susan in Atl

I hope you’re right – she’ll be null and void – but I’m still worried that those who loved her convention speech will excuse her missteps in the ABC interview and just love that she’s “tough” on Russia and Iran. Let’s hope I’m wrong!

11 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I’ve missed you guys….seems like I have a lot of catching up to do!

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Bush doctrine basically says if you think someone is about to attack you, you are justified in attacking first.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/index.html

here’s the official version, and as stated most of us DO NOT AGREE with this – it put us in the company of Hitler and others. Dark day in our country. . .

. . . and because School Girl (I still can’t get over that) Sarah didn’t know what it was, she is going to be programmed that is it GOOD because it PROTECTS the United States FROM EVERYTHING THAT IS BAD, BAD, BAD.

It tramples on several law, and this was the beginning of the build of the Patriot Act which eventually had some components overturned- – – may I remind you that McCain and his goons wanted to remove Habeas Corpus (right to fair and speedy trial) permanently and it was Obama who took it to the Supreme Court and had it overturned. Debt to Senator Obama.

11 09 2008
lulu

Susan in ATL, I totally agree with you.

Palin frenzy (like a madness that finally gets its vaccine) is diminishing. The more we see her, the more the magic is gone. By the end of September, Palin will be way way old news (and a liability!).

I really don’t think there are that many “end times” voters in the USA.

11 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I recorded KO, but this forum is on….John McCain is not answering any of the questions. And this could be our President!!!!

11 09 2008
VA Democrat

One reason the Bush Doctrine is controversial is because it contravenes customary international law, which does not allow preemptive strikes in violation of national sovereignty.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Bay Buchanan thought all Palin’s answers were “great.”

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@pamela –

I hope you are wrong too, but SarahwithanH’s link to Women for Hillary are having a strange reaction and really liking her. We have to help them understand Caribou Barbie is not tough in the way we would like – she is against everything that Hillary Clinton represented in her platform.

11 09 2008
VA Democrat

Bay Buchanan would think Palin was great if she took off all of her clothes and ran naked down the street shooting a shotgun.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

The people Palin seems to be alienating most are Republican foreign policy wonks, like Senator Lugar. They seem to be permanently rolling their eyes now.

11 09 2008
lulu

Maybe Bay Buchanan was glad that Palin would attempt to complete full sentences. Her expectations were evidently low.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@lulu –

“I don’t think there are too many “end time” voters….”

You have some catching up to do.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Just heard bites out of the Palin interview. Seemed like she dropped that really annoying accent.

She kind of reminded me of those dumb quiz show answer videos on YouTube. Like the one who answered “what is your husband’s favorite rodent” with “his saxiphone.”

11 09 2008
iona

@Proud2BUsa

“One of the missing links I’m trying to find, and I’ve heard about but can’t find, so I’m hoping one of you can help us – heard that there are several Catholic blogs out here who are declaring a “Sister” and potential Saint and are predicting the “2nd Coming.””

it might have been on Daily Kos. I read from a link there that some “Catholics” feel SP is next Joan of Arc as she was born on Feb. 11, which is feast of Our Lady of Lourdes, and McC. born on June 29, feast of John the Baptist. so the plan, as I see it, must be: SP/Mc win, “something happens” to Mc, SP now prez., and as the aforementioned J. Hagee ordains, the strike is launched so the “rapture” can happen, and the “2nd coming” etc.

however, as its my tradition, or just barely after this insanity, I haven’t had the heart to track it down. how can “Christians” “catholics” literally be praying for the nuclear war on this day of all days? we are caught in their fantasy and we must spread this info. I am passing it on.

my first ever post. thank you all you are keeping me sane.

11 09 2008
Diva

More musings…almost caught up:

“Does anyone else find it weird that the camera is never showing Palin’s face straight on? It appears the entire interview is shot from the side angle.”

They are trying to avoid shooting her full face-they don’t want the “Deer In The Headlights” look when she doesn’t know the answer. And she doesn’t know many answers!

“I believe the Far Right has an agenda and a purpose for Sarah Palin. The focus is NOT on McCain -”

Notice Pat B did not call McCain “Brother John”

11 09 2008
lulu

Proud, I wrote “that many”

I know there are some, but not enough to swing the election. You got the numbers on it? I think there are only four million.

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Proud2BUSA: don’t you think the “bush doctrine” really originated with PNAC? too bad that never gets discussed.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@VADem –

“…running down the street naked….”

LMAO – unfortunately, I think it has some truth to it…….a nice girl from Alaska who I can take hunting (and hopefully she won’t me in the face like Cheney) and tell her what to say and do…..

On a serious note:
…..the question is when Palin may become smart enough to know what’s really happening. I have to believe someone who has risen to Governor has some smarts.

11 09 2008
lulu

Iona,
I know lots of Catholics who don’t believe in the “end times” if that’s any comfort.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

The thing is that everyone is born on one feast day or another. Catholics really do not believe in this rapture stuff (at least it is not official dogma)— this is really a doctrine of American pentacostal churches.

11 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Ok here is another must read.

And Plain is going to be able to deal with other leaders?

She will be a diaster on foreign policy…to much bluster.
*******************************************************

Sep 11, 9:36 PM EDT

Venezuela’s Chavez says US ambassador must leave

By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER
Associated Press Writer

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — President Hugo Chavez ordered the U.S. ambassador to leave Venezuela in 72 hours and said he was immediately withdrawing his ambassador from Washington.

Chavez said Thursday night that U.S. Ambassador Patrick Duddy is no longer welcome, just as his close ally Bolivia expelled the American envoy from La Paz a day earlier.

“They’re trying to do here what they were doing in Bolivia,” Chavez said, accusing Washington of trying to oust him.

“That’s enough … from you, Yankees,” he said during a televised rally, using an expletive.

The socialist leader said Venezuela’s ambassador to Washington, Bernardo Alvarez, would return to the U.S. “when there’s a new government in the United States.”

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@diva –

LMAO. Brother John and Sister Sarah – it sounds like Guys and Dolls Revisited.

Sounds like you are caught up.

11 09 2008
TexasLiz

Well, I hope Russia doesn’t believe in the Bush doctrine.

11 09 2008
iona

lulu, thanks, I prefer these times. Seriously. these times are fine by me!

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

lona: i don’t know ANY catholics who believe in end times. i got kicked out of 2 catholic schools. i should know. lol

11 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

good for you YellowDogDemocrat — that camera angle is the epitomy of what we are allowed to see about the republican ticket — a side angle — because if we looked straight on we would see the unflinching pathological liars that were chosen by the republican party and apparently quite a few of our US citizens (yikes).

this pres/vp thing is a groomed position right? people don’t jump out of nowhere and get asked to be the top dog do they? there is a line of worthy adversaries isn’t there? my HO is that sarah has been in the FASTPASS line at the republican amusement park of big oil big moneylaundering and big bullshit artistry and that it is no fluke that she is where she is right now at all. it is a plan.

ted stevens is the longest standing senator in the senate. he was/is her mentor. there are videos on youtube if you care to see their relationship captured for all posterity.

ted stevens was senate pro temp – 3rd in line to the presidencey.

so am i to believe he had no interest the past 20 years on who would be groomed for the next election cycle? the past 10 years? the past 5 years? when exactly does the longest ranking republican senator of the united states “never” have an interest in who is president?

my curiousity is that this fellow has been dancing with big oil the past what 40 years or so and has been the largest pork producer in US history and yet the only thing he has “taken” is some home improvements and a great dog?

either he is the most honest fellow in DC or he is getting a proverbial “slap” that belies his life accomplishments and the people he most certainly had to run around with to get where he is today.

and his protege is “accidently” or “spontaneously” chosen to run for VP?

hmmmm.

so how do the big oil guys feel about all this? they start rattling their press release machine and say such niceties like ……. oh yeah we will be working with TransCanada and get some gas going that way oh heckfire any day now and thanks for not noticing that we have failed to do such a thing the past 30 years……. cause you know the price of natural gas SUCKED all that time. but yeah we are ready.

and then as a sidenote – most likely Denali and TransCanada will merge?

oh please. i know a lot of folks can’t get past a bit of economic stonewalling and are passing out the most ugly palin lip buttons — but some of us breathing the air down in the 48 can see oil’s slippery bs and this here be the bs.

texas has more natural gas sitting right here with no polar bears or native alaskan treaty issues……….more natural gas than the next 4 of the top 15 natural gas producing states (and alaska is after texas, wyoming, colorado, the Gulf, Oklahoma and Louisiana – slide 22 of the USGS/Alaska briefing powerpoint presented to the Alaskan legislature when they were voting on AGIA).

so who’s zooming who here?

was Palin’s trip down to dallas to meet up with Perry a promise to put the pressure on Alaska to sell natural gas cause no one in texas wants to give up their non-renewable resources if the price ain’t real high?

(i just made that up completely – but it works for me – disregard at will)

actually – whoever may know what her so very very important 30 minute speech was – golly give it up man. don’t be a mccain and hold us hostage.

just had to vent a bit – you get my drift. some folks read more than others and this is the best place i have found to share a bit of that with folks that are receptive.

and thank you so much for keeping the blogger bombs at bay and to keep the overall conversation level far and above the expletive ridden disappointments found elsewhere on the ‘net.

11 09 2008
Diva

Proud2Be- re: Matrix

No time for video links yet!🙂

VA Democrat (18:58:55) :
“Bay Buchanan would think Palin was great if she took off all of her clothes and ran naked down the street shooting a shotgun.”

What are you implying VA? Bay Buchanan wants to see Sarah Plain naked? 😉

One other earlier point- it was Diana Ross who would not allow anyone to look directly at her.

(BTW, there are now 2 Diva’s here. You know what they say about that……..

DivaTalk and I are not the same person.)

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@iona – you just did the missing link for me. OMG. I wish we could get closer to that, but I agree with you. It really is beginning to play that Palin is the top of the ticket. They will use McCain to get her there, but the Far Right has plans for Sarah. Yikes. This is just eerie. Oh dear. When this happened a long time ago at least they didn’t have nuclear weapons and could destroy the earth. Iona, do the Catholics believe that only God can determine the day and time of the 2nd coming? I was brought up Southern Baptist, and was always taught (now I realize blissfully so…) that God expected us to continue with good deeds and only He knew the end of days. Is that different in the Catholic Church?

Morpheas – you still there? This is getting scary.

11 09 2008
Michelle

My grandmother is as Catholic as they come and she has never once said anything about end times. By the way, she is arguing with two of her Republican children telling them that they are stupid if they vote for McCain🙂

11 09 2008
Anonymous

Why is everyone dancing around ? McCain has let the far right turn him into a lame-ass coward. John- look real hard in the mirror.

11 09 2008
Ohio Sue

Another reason to watch SNL on Saturday – Obama will be on it!

‘night all.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@iona – so what does that mean for John the Baptist, er McCain? That he is destined to die in office so Sarah can rise to the top and start the Armageddon?
thank you for answering these questions for me.

Again, I was raised pretty simple in the Baptist Church so this is fascinating to me.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Well, the trouble is any country can adopt the Bush doctrine and then use it on anyone they wanted to invade. Remember the whole thing about Czechoslovakia was to protect Germans in the Sudetenland from attacks.

11 09 2008
Catherine

What is truly “sexist” is treating princess Sarah with extra sensitivity because she is a woman – not challenging her on the facts and her ideas (if she has any – I’m starting to wonder if she shook her head hard enough, her brain would rattle around like a beebee in a boxcar).

Somehow I don’t think Elizabeth Dole, Olympia Snowe, Barbara Mikulski, or Barbara Boxer expect the men they deal with to treat them extra nicely because they are women – just use (what should be) normal courtesy between colleages and treat each other with respect.

If she doesn’t want to get hit, she shouldn’t have left Alaska and stepped into the line of fire in the first place.

11 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[Someone I know questioned if any Hillary supporter could actually like Palin, take a look at http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net
Quitequite scary!]]

I, and many others, are of the opinion that a good portion of the bizarre “pro-Hillary” comments (which were mainly about destroying the Democratic Party if Hillary didn’t win, how Obama was insulting Hillary, yadda yadda yadda) were actually from Republican activists.

I came to that conclusion early on because I could easily identify the distinctive posting styles of certain Hillaryforum posters as identical to other specific rightwinger posters on other internet forums I frequent.

So I wouldn’t take that website to seriously. It’s filled with agitators posing as Hillary supporters.

11 09 2008
lulu

Proud, I am married to a Catholic and they do not believe in “end times” as a doctrine.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Funny the only Palin-like woman I can think of from Revelations is the Whore of Babylon. It is pretty much a guy flick.

11 09 2008
Ana Gama

This is hilarious! Enjoy!!

GOP Vetting Emporium & Taco Stand

11 09 2008
iona

@rhett: me either. see Thomas Merton’s book on Peace (collection), that’s as “Catholic” as I can be now..

“Bush doctrine basically says if you think someone is about to attack you, you are justified in attacking first.”

In other words, No Duty to Retreat. from 1800s in the West, a trial that
established you had the right to shoot to defend yourself if you felt you were under attack. I can cite the source if anyone cares, will have to dig it up.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Rhett –

No, we are hearing this what Iona is saying. We are hearing this. It is fitting with the pieces from Lieberman and the CUFI (I can’t remember the acronyms – Christian United for the Liberation of Israel) is promoting. The stuff is up at the top of this thread…..maybe we are all just being loopy…..?

11 09 2008
Diva

“It really is beginning to play that Palin is the top of the ticket.”

Totally- been calling it Palin/McCain for days now! Hell, they even made buttons up that say that!

“McCain has let the far right turn him into a lame-ass coward. John- look real hard in the mirror.”

Sadly, I don’t think he can. Jon Stewart said it best, “John McCain of 2000 would not vote for John McCain 2008.”

11 09 2008
joy - fl

Hilary was able to handle O’Reily on fox – no one complained. But Sarah was roughed up by Gibson? give me a break

11 09 2008
plwalsh

If I’m not mistaken, belief in an “End Times” scenario is actually contrary to Orthodox Catholic teachings.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@cynthiainTx – that article with Chavez is scary, too. You know I get more real news here than I do with the MSM

11 09 2008
Diva

“Bush doctrine basically says if you think someone is about to attack you, you are justified in attacking first.”

Cheney “One percent doctrine”-if you think they might get you, do them in first.

11 09 2008
Ana Gama

plwalsh (19:15:24) :

If I’m not mistaken, belief in an “End Times” scenario is actually contrary to Orthodox Catholic teachings.
————————–

I went to Catholic school for 12 years. “End times” is your own personal death and transformation after death.

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

i like how mccain conveniently changes his religion depending upon the audience. one day he is episcopalian and another day he is a baptist.

11 09 2008
Diva

Cheney “One percent doctrine”-if you think they might get you, do them in first.

And that goes for old friends that you pheseant hunt with, too. Shoot them in the face!

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Ana Gama: you forgot purgatory. lol.

11 09 2008
PJ

Notice, you don’t see many reputable Republican Senators and Congresspeople out there championing McCain or Palin—note I said REPUTABLE. I get the sense that more moderate Repubs are appalled at their party being hijacked by this right wing crowd and want nothing to do with the train wreck coming. In other words, if McSame is going down, they don’t want to be anywhere near it.

11 09 2008
Lizzie

@ Cynthia: That sounds ominous along with word of Russian bombers landing in Venezuela today:

“….in a move out of Cuban leader Fidel Castro’s historical playbook, Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez announced this week that his nation will host four Russian warships and 1,000 troops in November for joint military exercises.

That was followed Wednesday by the arrival in Venezuela of two Russian long-range bombers.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0912/p01s05-woam.html

11 09 2008
Ana Gama

Rhett O’Rical (19:18:17) :

Ana Gama: you forgot purgatory. lol.
——————

LOL! Maybe Pope Benedict with do away with Purgatory like he did with Limbo.

11 09 2008
PJ

The McCain Doctrine: say a lie long enough and loud enough and people will believe it.

11 09 2008
Diva

“What is truly “sexist” is treating princess Sarah with extra sensitivity because she is a woman – ”

I think this is Sarah’s own insecurity showing. She is a “pretty girl”, she got by on her looks (and a modicum of intelligence) all her life, but now she knows she is severely over her head, all her false bravado notwithstanding.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Rhett O’Rical (19:02:51) :

Proud2BUSA: don’t you think the “bush doctrine” really originated with PNAC? too bad that never gets discussed.

are you talking about Kagan back in the 90’s? Yes, I would think it has significant impact because doesn’t it present a kind of Imperialistic interpretation or world-view? (You know more than me on this one, but I do remember that because of the neo-con overtone and 9/11 just presented an opportunity to pull this into place?????

11 09 2008
J T

joy wrote “Hilary was able to handle O’Reily on fox – no one complained. But Sarah was roughed up by Gibson? give me a break”

You’re right, that is hillarioius! (In a sad way).

11 09 2008
Diva

“The McCain Doctrine: say a lie long enough and loud enough and people will believe it.”

LOL! That is a corollary of the Bush (really, the Rove-he wrote it!) Doctrine.

11 09 2008
iona

@Proud, hello! I don’t know the official dogma but would say no, most who call themselves “Catholics” don’t believe in end times, and yes, only “God” can determine time and place, and for me “second coming” can have many meanings – it’s ok to question.

and Rhett is right, every day is a fiesta (as they say in Mexico) or feast day – my guess is that whoever these so-called “Catholic” posts are, are the mentality that would look at birth days and see that as significant – again, to me, a sign of how nuts it is getting. who cares when they were born?! what about REALITY? issues well -discussed here…

sorry I’m new to this and a bit slow in responding…and Proud, thanks for your posts!

11 09 2008
J T

Hmmm….does anyone think she may actually back out on her own accord? Or is she too much a narcissist to make such a reasonable step?

11 09 2008
Catherine

Proud:

The “end times” are an evangelical thing, not a Catholic thing – I’m lapsed Catholic myself, and the teacher of a religion class I took many many years ago in college went absolutely nuts when people predicted end dates, because it does indeed say something in the Bible about how “no one knows the day” of his second coming. He always thought it was hilarious that any so-called prophets would pick a date that was far enough in the future so they could collect plenty of donations, but close enough to hold people’s interest – and then when the end times didn’t happen, they would recalculate and come up with a new date. The year 2000, 5-05-2005 (some planetary alignment was supposed to rip the continents apart or something), and the latest is 2012 because that is the last year in the Mayan calendar.

My grandmother always wondered why everyone seemed to think that God had a fixation on round numbers – why not prime numbers? 🙂

Sleep time for me. Night-night!

11 09 2008
Diva

“don’t you think the “bush doctrine” really originated with PNAC?”

Yes, that is the basis for it all.

Ground Zero, if you will…….

God help us all

11 09 2008
Diva

J T (19:22:56) :

Hmmm….does anyone think she may actually back out on her own accord? Or is she too much a narcissist to make such a reasonable step?

They will not allow that.

11 09 2008
Lizzie

Sigh….add “Cocky Wacko No Blink Barbie” to the list.

11 09 2008
campobama

Did anyone watch Obama tonight? I loved how he said he wants to make goverment “cool” again.

Here’s a list of links I found that are worth looking at:
http://www.ritawilhelm.com/2008/09/10/palin-mccain-political-research/

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@lulu, pwalsh, all of you –

OH THANK YOU SO MUCH regarding the Catholics and the End of Days. It would be those pentacostals.

You know I want an ethical Country with a President who exhibits strong morals and intellect. I believe (and Bush appears to be a good example of this) that when “religion” (not faith, religion) comes into a major play or focus, trouble follows. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE – Thomas Jefferson

11 09 2008
JenaGG

Diva: cosigning you after watching excerpts from that interview … ‘God help us all’

11 09 2008
Diva

A slice of where I live, from my local newspaper forum:

13752.1.1.1.2.1. Charlie Gibson
by kramden69, 9/11/08 21:56 ET

Re: Tomorrow’s subject: “National Security”! by DaStraw, 9/11/08
Anyone see that jerk Gibson interview Sarah Palin? Does anyone think he would be a fraction as gruff, condescending and sarcastic on the creampuff Obama? No way. Thanks Charlie you classless nerd, for showing (once again) the double standard of the far left media and also for ticking off a few hundred thousand voters with your treatment of a capable, accomplished public servant. The liberal Democrats know their only hope is to try and destroy Sarah Palin. However, they are either too stupid, too oblivious or a little bit of both to realize that this stuff will help the McCain ticket. Wait until Mr. Teleprompter gets to the debates…..

Well, they didn’t like it, that must be good, no?

11 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[pat buchanan is a whore.
he knows they suck, but its all about anti-choice and judges
that is more important to those patriots than our country.]]

I don’t think Buchanan is a whore. He has defined principles and he sticks to them. I don’t agree with 99.9% of his principles, but he doesn’t sell out his principles.

What Pat Buchanan is: a racist. I also believe he is antisemitic There is no two ways about it. If you remember, he was the one who convinced Reagan to visit the Nazi SS troopers’ graves in Bittenberg.

Here’s my favorite collection of Buchanan-racist quotes:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2553

Pat is usually more even-keeled than his unstable sister, Bay, or his brother who actually, during the WJ Clinton Nookiegate era, broke into a Clinton-affiliate’s garage and destroyed his car with a hammer. The police came, took him away, and we heard nothing more about it, except for a very small article that indicated the brother was “off his medications.”

But Pat does get agitated when he believes his principles are threatened.

During the Dem primary, Pat was for Hillary in a great big way. I think he became Hillary’s bitch when she and Bill started making their subtle racist comments about Obama and pandering to bigots. As Hillary’s campaign faltered and finally failed, his appearances on MSNBC became more agitated and he would yell and interrupt people, something he didn’t use to do except for very rarely.

If Satan was running against Obama, Pat would back Satan, not because he worships Satan, but because Obama has African-American blood in him.

Pat also is not one to inhale and then regurgitate out talking points from the GOP or other prominent neocon groups like the PNAC. Sometimes their opinions are the same, and so he will agree with them, but it’s not because he’s just doing their bidding.

I’ve watched Buchanan over the years and, as I said, I don’t agree with him, but I also think he has personal integrity. He won’t sell out. It’s not his nature.

The other thing about Pat is that he is a convenient rightwinger to have around. He has taken such controversial stances, and is on record saying such bigotted things, that he is a very easy rightwinger pundit to discredit.

Again, if you want to find dandy quotes by which to discredit Buchanan, and with which to raise the specter of his profound bigotry, visit the FAIR quotes page at:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2553

11 09 2008
Aussie

Recently I heard a minister from KY state that the so-called ‘rapture theology’ is a *lay* theology with no basis other than a dream that a 15-year-old girl had one night.

I am Catholic and we having nothing to do with the end of the world crap, and we are taught that any kind of religious fundamentalism is dangerous because it takes away a person’s God-given free will.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Ana:

Exactly. The Church does not have this obsession with Revelations that the Pentacostals do. It was actually a bit touch and go whether it was going to make it into the New Testament.

Some current scholarship says Revelations is actually an alegory of the burning of Rome under Nero, which was blamed (perhaps not entirely unfairly) on Roman Christians.

11 09 2008
pamela

@PJ

While reputable, moderate Republicans might not champion McCain/Palin, they don’t seem to be repudiating them, either. I think the far right has them all scared. They might shake their heads and mutter quietly, but has any current Republican senator or congressman actually said SP wasn’t qualified to be VP?

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Proud2BUSA (18:43:58) :
“For our own leaders not to understand geography gives me the heebee geebees. Now, I went to school a long time ago (yes, when spanking was still allowed)…

Proud, I am 60-years-old, so spanking was obviously the punishment of choice when I attended school also. Like you, I am appalled when our leaders seem to know little about geography or cultural diversity (in America OR other countries – not even the one we chose to invade and “Democratize”!) or the effects of global warming…and the beat goes on.

The emphasis in public ed these days is preparing kids to pass high stakes tests, and it’s called “improving human capital”. I am now TOLD how many minutes each day (and when) I can teach reading and math. I am supplied with “canned curriculum” that I am to deliver in a lightning-speed manner, to meet the deadlines of district-wide pacing schedules. I was TOLD (along with the other teachers) to put away our “pet projects” (like developing strong relationships with kids, art, understanding our government, current events, writing, great literature, etc.) and teach from the teachers’ manuals – if students need to know it, it’s in the book!…I told ya’ you don’t want to get me going!

As it goes, I decided I simply don’t have it in me to ask kids to “check” their hearts, souls, creativity and passions at the door, before entering the classroom. Doing so, over the past several years, has literally made me sick. So, after teaching at the same low-income school for 18 years, I didn’t go back this fall. I have taken a year’s leave of absence that I could not afford financially, but it leaves my time “open” to work with children (or adults), on a voluntary basis, to impassion and empower them to learn. Children are curious by nature (try to stop them from learning!). I no longer want to be part of “schooling” that curiosity out of them.

Both Barack and Michelle Obama “get it”. Listen to them speak about education and the potential of fostering the genius that is within each of us. Sorry for the “off topic” rant.

11 09 2008
Ana Gama

“OH THANK YOU SO MUCH regarding the Catholics and the End of Days. It would be those pentacostals. ”

I had a nun in high school who was a pentacostal (religion teacher). There are Catholic pentacostals, actually. But they don’t subscribe to “end times” doctrine as something that is going to experienced on earth. It’s about personal soul transformation. A lot to get into on a blog.

11 09 2008
lulu

Gotta go, fellow Mudflatians!

I am upbeat after seeing Palin’s ABC clips, and the one with McCain and the anchor in Maine. Surely the US won’t elect DUMB AND DUMBER to lead us. Good night all!

11 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[The McCain Doctrine: say a lie long enough and loud enough and people will believe it.]]

PJ, what a coincidence! That is what Hilter said, too!

11 09 2008
Catherine

That’s why I started telling people I was a sporadic agnostic to make them go away. They were so confused trying to figure out what I meant that they left me alone so I could wait for my bus in peace!

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Ana Gama & iona: i think there is a patron saint for every day and for every affliction and or profession. i have yet to meet a pencil maker with a bad case of gout. lol.

off political topic and no offense to the religion(s) of others i was wondering if you guys have seen this simpson’s clip?

http://www.jibjab.com/view/174267

11 09 2008
JenaGG

Diva: She won’t back out … she’s trapped. She’ll need a really really good reason, like an life threatening illness. The Republicans already look corrupt and irresponsible … if she backs out, they won’t be able to spin it.

They selected a VP for no other reason than: 1. she’s a woman, 2. she has a “story” and 3. she’s cute for a Vice President.

I’m sitting here watching a 9/11 documentary in tears … I can NOT believe they think so little of America and Americans to play a game like this with our lives. After 8 years with G.W., we need COMPETENCY more than ever.

I am now convinced that she’s incompetent and has no integrity. She should back out … but she won’t.

And I have no words for John McCain.

11 09 2008
iona

I check here for news and links first – don’t even look at MSM anymore. I won’t find out the following there:

“Remember the whole thing about Czechoslovakia was to protect Germans in the Sudetenland from attacks.”

“….in a move out of Cuban leader Fidel Castro’s historical playbook, Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez announced this week that his nation will host four Russian warships and 1,000 troops in November for joint military exercises.

That was followed Wednesday by the arrival in Venezuela of two Russian long-range bombers.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0912/p01s05-woam.html

exactly. I have no doubt scenarios are being discussed.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

True about Catholic pentacostals. I meant Protestant pentacostals.

11 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[While reputable, moderate Republicans might not champion McCain/Palin, they don’t seem to be repudiating them, either. I think the far right has them all scared. They might shake their heads and mutter quietly, but has any current Republican senator or congressman actually said SP wasn’t qualified to be VP?]]

Pamela, this is my experience with the few of my friends who are Republicans. It is the older Republicans, the basic Goldwater Republicans, who won’t vote for McCain. These older Republicans are still conservative and are lock-step loyal to their party, so won’t speak out against the party, no matter what the party does.

So that may be why we are not hearing more Republicans speaking out against McCain/Palin.

11 09 2008
Regi

Sorry for the “off topic” rant.

Nonsense, you stuck it out for a long time, well deserved break. My theory is they’re so afraid of a “liberal agenda” they want the kids to get “just the facts” folks and nothing else. My son’s school still ties social causes like racism, injustice, sexism, poverty into the curriculum and I’m kind of surprised a formal “classical” education hasn’t become mandated by now.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

lulu:

It seems to be Americans have already elected “dumb and dumber” a few times in our history…

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

All I can say is that we better get the vote out because it sounds like there are a lot of these dastardly Pentacostals who want to predict the end days. Southern Baptists and Catholics are alike – WE DON’T MESS WITH GOD LIKE THAT. I learned a long time ago don’t start trying to predict. My biggest fear is that if a radical right wing person gets in, our children will never experience peace as we know it.

With CynthiainTx’s article on Putin and Chavez, Gov Mooselini’s declaration of war on Russia (OMG), Lieberman pushing for a “pre-emptive” strike on Iraq and unfinished work in Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush has us in a real pickle. DO WE REALLY WANT FOUR MORE YEARS OF THIS? And we think Bush is bad and he was at least the Governor of TEXAS which is a little bit larger (population wise) than Alaska! (No offense, Mudflats)

11 09 2008
lulu

P.S. Just to be clear, McCain & Palin = DUMB & DUMBER, IMHO.

11 09 2008
Divatalk

Wow, thanks for clearing that up for me guys. I’ve learned alot.
I guess from now on when I have a world politics question
who needs google or wikepedia, just come here🙂

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Rhett O’Rical (19:31:53) :

Ana Gama & iona: i think there is a patron saint for every day and for every affliction and or profession. i have yet to meet a pencil maker with a bad case of gout. lol.

So, according to Iona, Caribou Barbie shares her BD with Joan of Arc and Gramps shares his with John the Baptist. WHY WOULD ANYBODY CONNECT THOSE TWO (okay, they both died sacrificing…I got that part) but other than that, what’s the connection?

I’m voting for Mudflats to have a Christmas Birthday because that will trump them all, world peace will prevail, and aerial hunting will be banned!

11 09 2008
plwalsh

There are a lot of pretty unsettling things going on in the name of the End Times. There’s a lot of planning, for example, going into getting the Temple rebuilt and functioning again in Jerusalem, since that has to happen before the Last Battle. Of course, that would mean removing the Dome of the Rock and the adjoining mosque, which were built expressly to prevent the rebuilding of the Temple. This would be a bit controversial in the Muslim community.

11 09 2008
iona

@Rhett, OMG that is hilarious!!! thanks for making me laugh. I needed that.

I give up, can’t keep up with you all..until next time…

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Proud2BUSA: like if Palin becomes president has her hand on “the button” and decides it is a good “time” for the end? scary.

11 09 2008
Aussie
11 09 2008
Lauren

McNutJob has lost his mind!!!

John McCain offers Barack Obama a cabinet post!

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2008/09/12/john_mccain_offers_barack_obama_a_cabinet_post

This is one promise that Senator John McCain might struggle to keep if he does win in November. When asked by Time’s Rick Stengel, moderating the 9/11 anniversary forum on national service here at Columbia University in uptown New York city, whether he would give Barack Obama a cabinet job, he responded that he would.

“Governor Schwarzenegger has made the service czar a cabinet-level appointment,” Stengel said. “Would you, as president, do the same and would you name Senator Obama to your cabinet for National Service?” McCain paused for a beat before replying with a smile: “Yes!” Cue laughter and applause.

He also praised Senator Obama for his “outstanding” work as a community organiser – a profession derided by Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin at the Republican convention in St Paul last week. “Of course I respect community organisers,” he said. “Of course I respect people who serve their communities. Sentaor Obama’s service in that area is outstanding,”

Don’t hold your breath about Obama being in a McCain cabinet as Secretary for National Service, Secretary for Community Organising or anything else. McCain went on to criticise the size of George W. Bush’s cabinet (a prize if you can name all 16 without resorting to Google or Wikipedia), talking about it being so big that it never meets, and said he would reduce rather than expand government.

___________________________________________

UPDATE: Asked to respond to McCain’s offer and whether he would reciprocate, Obama laughed and said: “If that’s the deal he wants to make right now…” There was a bit of crosstalk and he added: “We’ve got a little work to do before we get to that point…”

11 09 2008
plwalsh

I think John-Paul II alone created more saints than there are days in the year.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

dumb and dumber:

Bush Sr, and Quayle (okay that might have just been dumber) so there was a precedent…well…maybe not….most of the time, there has been at least ONE OF THE CANDIDATES who had a brain. . .

(Segueway: “…if I only had a brain…”)

11 09 2008
Political Amazon

[[…I am married to a Catholic and they do not believe in “end times” as a doctrine.]]

Not all Pentecostals, or people who speak in tongues, believe in end-times, either. My brother and his family, and my uncle and his extended family, belong to Pentecostal congregations in Arkansas. When I visit, I go to church with them, there is usually some speaking in tongues, but no end-times crap. Now, in northern Arkansas, there is a nest of Christian Reconstructionists and militias, who don’t speak in tongues but push the end-times deal relentlessly. But it’s not part of a church, per se–they just use the Christian Reconstructionist doctrine as an excuse for militias, antisemitism, and overthrowing the Constitution and installing a CR theocracy.

If you want to get a good look at the CR mess in northern Arkansas, google “Gary North” and “Arkansas”. The last I heard he was hooked up with a church in Fayetteville, but he is very well respected in the CR world, so there is no telling what he is into now.

11 09 2008
Pacificnwgal

I wasn’t impressed with Sarah’s interview tonght either. For one thing, if I heard “Charlie” one more time out of her mouth, I was going to vomit. It was very distracting and condescending…. like she was talking to a 10 year old she was trying to educate about something. She tried to cover herself with the question regarding the Bush Doctrine, but it was evident that she didn’t know what it was when Charlie clarified for her. Most people wouldn’t have caught this, unfortunately. The commentary was interesting on CNN afterword. The Republican commentator kept defending her saying things like “people want to see that she is like one of them. They are tired of all the facts and figures that the policians state.” The Democrat commentator said “Yes, that is always a problem when our government leaders state facts and figures… Touche!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Lauren –

Well, there was one child behind. . and that was the writer of that article. How many words were misspelled? Maybe we are creating a new language?

11 09 2008
Mil

I’m related to a huge chunk of pentecostals. (My immediate family and myself are non religious. Dad got freaked out as a kid by a guy speaking in tongues at a church service, plus the basic disagreement in beliefs.) I’m hoping they are smart enough to see through the McCain/Palin schlock, but I’m not going to be mentioning it to them in any way shape or form.

There are people you can talk with openly about politics, but I don’t think this part of my family would be open to it. I still just hope that they are paying attention and not blindly following. But I like to think that not all pentecostals will follow McPalin as is assumed.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

The Republican commentator on CNN was Bay Buchanan, who came across more or less as a fruitcake.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

The End Times folks are pretty much a fringe of a fringe but they have a bunch of best-sellers out there.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

“Pentacostal” is also a term that covers a lot of religious territory with a pretty wide range of doctrines.

11 09 2008
Mil

For people confused on the end of times scenarios…

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

Go to Religion, down near the bottom, and click on the one that says “Behold”.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Aussie – that link was excellent, thank you. And how interesting to see the different definitions of “fundamentalist” thank you!

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

plwalsh: pat buchanan’s sister is goofier than he is.

11 09 2008
Divatalk

Everyone<
I went back to check on my emails and this is an email I received today.
I don’t know how many of you are familiar with Dr. Joe Vitale, or have
seen the movie “the Secret”. But he was one of the teachers in the movie based on the Law of Attraction.

This is what he sent out and for those of you or of us who would like to
participate in this, I am sure the people of Texas would appreciate every
bit of positive energy they can get. I don’t know how many of you share the
understanding of our personal power, but based on what I’ve seen of the personal
commitment of this group to do great things as a unit, whole, I would guess this would not be too far out there for anyone.

Also, this is something which could be used to help the outcome of Nov 4.
Just a thought. See the email below.

****************
On September 22, 2005 I sent out the below
email to help stop hurricane Rita. It worked.
That hurricane dropped in level, switched
direction, and didn’t do the damage all feared.
Today I’m resending it to help stop hurricane Ike.
Please read this, do this, and forward to others.
Together we *can* make a difference.
Thank you,
joe

Help Me Stop Rita (Ike)

by Dr. Joe Vitale

As I type these words, people in Houston
are scrambling to leave the city.

The Mayor has urged many to evacuate.

The next hurricane, Rita, is bigger and badder
than Katrina, and it’s headed this way.

Yes, our area is in the path of the hurricane,
too.

With luck, by the time it hits mainland Texas,
it will have dropped from a category 5 to a
category 1 hurricane. We’re stocking up on
supplies, like everyone else.

While the world is still reeling from the effects
of Katrina, we’re now bracing for something
that could be just as bad, or worse.

As I listen to the news, and watch people, the
key word that everyone says or seems to
breathe is “victim.”

We’re victims of storms.

We’re victims of chance.

We’re victims of a poorly run government.

We’re victims of gas prices, gas shortages,
inflation, recession, taxes, wars, and now —
the worst of all — Mother Nature.

I’m going to say something unusual. It may
upset some people. I’m hoping it will inspire
you. Here goes:

You have more power than you think.

While you may not want to stand in the path
of Rita, you don’t have to cower under the bed.

As odd as it may sound, I believe that if enough
of us think positive, we can create a counter
storm of sorts. We can protect ourselves and
our loved ones with our thoughts.

I’ve described and proved this with the research
in the back of my book, “The Attractor Factor.”
Nineteen studies *proved* that when a large
group of people hold positive intentions,
those intentions radiate out and become reality.

No, I’m not saying ignore the storm warnings. I’m
saying don’t get caught up in the fear that the
warnings often trigger.

Look. If you think the storm will get you, then
it’s already gotten you. You’re living in fear.
Your life is dark, gloomy and in a cage. The
media is flawless at whipping us into fear.

So I suggest ignoring the media. It’s not
information, it’s propaganda. It gets large
groups of people to think negative, which
of course then becomes reality.

Why can’t we do the opposite?

Why can’t we get large groups of people
to think positive?

At this very moment, as I type this and you
read this, all is well.

Isn’t it?

Aren’t you ok?

Aren’t you feeling fine right now?

Yes, be sure to have batteries and water
and supplies.

But also check the storehouse in your mind.

Are you living in fear, or living in trust?

Are you focused on the negative, or are
you doing something to create a positive?

We are all, always, at choice.

My plea is that the readers of my ezine —
you — will stop, breathe, and focus; pray,
or in some positive way send out an energy
that will help dissolve the fear in and around us.

I’m asking you to do this on Saturday, the day
Rita is scheduled to visit Texas.

As I was finishing this article, UPS delivered
two books to me. Both are timely and worth
mentioning.

“Unconditional Bliss” says you can find
happiness in the face of hardship.

I think this is relevant. While the media is
making us shake in our boots, we can
choose to take care of ourselves and
others *while* remaining happy.

Happiness is a choice.

The other book looks just as fascinating.
It’s “Megatrends 2010” by Pat Aburdene.

To my surpirse (and delight), the book
declares that the future will be more
focused on spirit.

Well, let’s create the future right now.

Let’s focus on spirit.

What I’m asking you to do is be happy,
right now. Smile. Send that loving energy
out, in the direction of Texas. Intend for
all to be well, for, in reality, all is well.

In fact, pretend you are the eye of the
hurricane. That’s the center where all
is at peace. *Be* that peace and send
that peace from the eye to the hurricane
itself, imagining it dropping in intensity.

We can make a difference.

It begins with you.

What will you choose to think?

Love,

Joe

*************************************************
Dr. Joe Vitale
“Aude aliquid dignum” *

Author of way too many books to mention,
including the bestsellers “The Attractor Factor,”
“Life’s Missing Instruction Manual” and ooohhh
so many more, including the head spinner,
“Zero Limits” and the mega-hit, “The Key.”

Star of the movies The Secret, The Compass,
and Try It On Everything

Released tomorrow – The Awakening Course
http://www.theawakeningcourse.com

See it all at http://www.JoeVitale.com

Member BBB 2003 – 2008

* 16th century Latin: “Dare something worthy”

###############

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

pwalsh:
“The End Times folks are pretty much a fringe of a fringe but they have a bunch of best-sellers out there.”

Pwalsh – so they are storytellers and writers. I guess you could say that they were “not children left behind”…..lol

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Jesus taught that the end time was going to come within the lifetime of his followers.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Mil –

Thanks, Mil. Don’t know if I’m confused or not. I just don’t want it to happen right now! Thanks for the links. I’m trusting my Catholic friends on here that their religion hasn’t been highjacked and that people want to incite the war of all wars.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

There’s pretty much every belief you can imagine out there somewhere (remember the Heaven’s Gate folks?) but starting war is definitely not official Catholic Church teaching.

11 09 2008
Sydney

Hello SusaninAtl – I’m in Atlanta, as well. I hope to see this state turn BLUE this election.
Just heard that Obama will be on Saturday Night Live – this weekend, I think.

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

@Regi
“My son’s school still ties social causes like racism, injustice, sexism, poverty into the curriculum and I’m kind of surprised a formal “classical” education hasn’t become mandated by now.”

Regi, I obviously agree with you! Where does you son attend school? Maybe I’ll apply for a job there? 🙂

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Proud2BUSA: re left behind books. i thought you might appreciate this link since you said you were a baptist.

http://www.baptiststandard.com/2001/6_25/print/left_behind.html

“It is a worldview, warns Gushee, that is built on “anti-internationalism, anti-United Nations, anti-pacifism, anti-multilateralism, anti-ecumenism, anti-Catholicism (and) conspiracy-theory thinking.”

11 09 2008
John Henry

11:30 PM – Closing Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience

12:00 AM – Rapture and Farewell to Bush and Cheney

……

12:15 AM – Perform regular Mitt Romney maintenance: Install new attack script software, oil joints, replace new ‘no hair out of place’ hair piece, ship him to next appearance.

11 09 2008
JenaGG

I was raised Pentecostal. I believe the issue w/ Palin is not that she’s Pentecostal, but that she seems to not seperate church & state. You can’t make policy based on what you think God’s will is. You can’t invade a country and call it God’s will … that’s a holy war.

Many Pentecostals are spiritual, yet reasonable people that are able to perform their jobs with integrity and competence. I believe that you can speak in tongues and believe in the “end times” without causing the end times or judging other people for their belief systems.

That’s my biggest issue w/ some religions, not just pentecostal. It seems that they are quick to judge other people that do not agree w/ their belief systems. For example, it seems to be an accepted practice for people to OPENLY berate Muslims. I’ve always wondered, specifically since 9/11, what it must feel like to be a Muslim in American today. You have people on television vehemently denying & arguing Obama’s Muslim status as if someone accused him of being a serial killer.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Obama and Biden are definitely taking every media opportunity he is being offered, making a nice contrast with Palin-the-bashful.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

PoliticalAmazon and others who shared with me your Pentacostal family backgrounds – thank you. I really do not mean to group everyone into a generalized box. I know how that feels, and I would never want to cause harm.

I also agree with the comment a poster made about “…not bringing politics up with them, no way, no how….”

I really just want people to be happy and let’s get our economy back on track, educate our children, and make sure that pitbulls are never defiled again.

11 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

BACKPEDAL ALERT! BACKPEDAL ALERT!

Seems Palin has changed her strict stance on the global warming not being man-made issue, just in time for the second segment of the Gibson interview.

She asked Gibson to show her where she ever said it wasn’t man-made. Hmmm….can any of you Muflatters help? 😉

11 09 2008
Diva

“The Republican commentator kept defending her saying things like “people want to see that she is like one of them. They are tired of all the facts and figures that the policians state.” The Democrat commentator said “Yes, that is always a problem when our government leaders state facts and figures… Touche!”

OH, THE STUPID…….IT HURTS!!!!!

Jena-no, neither of them will back out. They both sold their souls to the Devil, and he doesn’t do refunds.

And I am not kidding here-I’m not sure McCain is going to last much longer. He really looks ill.

11 09 2008
Caroline

I haven’t finished reading all the awesome comments on here. You guys rock.

Let me ask a question of the readers here and I would love to hear people’s opinions…

I have this theory that McCrazy didn’t know quite what a ‘celebrity’ Palin would be when he chose her and that she didn’t anticipate it, either. I think in another week or two there will be rumors that there is friction between the running mates, I just wonder if it will be because he is so jealous of the attention she is getting or because she will start getting more ambitious, because of her fame, and start reminding him of who got his poll numbers up.

What do you think? Do you think there will be some friction we start hearing about? Or has he sold out so badly he doesn’t care?

11 09 2008
Mil

@Proud2BUSA, you’re welcome. I found that site a looong loong time ago. It’s pretty entertaining all in all as well as helpful.

11 09 2008
11 09 2008
Intrigued

I would never vote for McCain for multiple reasons, not the least of which is Palin.

But how can anyone vote for Obama? Biden supported the liberty-stealing Patriot Act AND the bill making it more difficult for consumers to file bankruptcy — LOOK WHO BIDEN’S BACERS ARE!! (from Socialist website)

http://wsws.org/articles/2008/aug2008/bide-a25.shtml

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

GenaGG –

precisely! Our country was founded on the basis of separation between Church and State, and you articulated the very concern I think many of us have. I love my faith, and I enjoy hearing about others faith and experiences, but as legislators and governors, etc – there must be a separation between church and state.

And I agree with you re the Muslim comment. If one reads the Koran, it is one of the most peace-oriented missives around. I don’t know what causes people to incite violence in the name of God, but it is sad and regretful that we are given so much and want to take it all away. I believe I am not in control (okay – I know most of you would believe THAT) and I just need to focus on doing good deeds and taking care of those things that I can, and He will take care of the rest (e.g. the bigger stuff).

11 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh, I just watched the segment on Gibson’s interview with Palin. I CAN’T STAND HER. Is it possible to despise her as much as I despise “w” even after 2 weeks?!

She is so b*tchy and unfriendly. How can people warm to her?

And clearly she was totally clueless about the Bush Doctrine. See her wiggle around on that question warmed my insides🙂

She also might have said “Charlie” about as many times as she has used her “thanks, but no thanks” line. GAG ME.

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Caroline: did you see McCain campaigning without Palin? He got shouted down and had to quit talking because nobody could hear him. The crowds did not show up until she arrived. I believe he truly needs her. The Palin cult of personality. Mao with lipstick.

11 09 2008
pamela

From the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7607039.stm – SP was baptized Catholic, but later attended a Pentacostal church in Wasilla. I read somewhere else that when she was quite young, her mother began taking Sarah and her sibs to another church. I would guess the Catholic influence is pretty minimal. All liberal Catholic can breathe a sigh of relief – can’t blame us for Sarah.

Good night and thanks for the great conversations, everyone.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

It is very scary being a Muslim in America these days. This is sad because, by and large, Muslim Americans are middle to upper class, hardworking, and totally loyal. They are very different from Muslims in Europe, who are typically poor immigrants used as cheap labor and are seriously discriminated against, which makes them good targets for terrorist recruiters. We are lucky this isn’t the case in the U.S.

There is a huge variety among Muslims, just as there is among Christians— many different ethnic types and belief systems. It is probably not correct to call the militant ones “fundamentalists”— “Puritans” might be a better analogy to Christianity, that is, they believe in “purifying” the religion and don’t necessarily adhere to the most conservative and orthodox Islamic traditions.

11 09 2008
JenaGG

Diva: I noticed McCain’s appearance lately as well. This is wearing on him. Hard. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is not ‘allowed’ any input on his own campaign. It seems that someone else is running his campaign and he’s just reciting lines and going with the flow. He doesn’t seem to be connected at all to what he’s saying. And if you watch his body language when Palin is speaking, he actually looks terrified.

11 09 2008
iona

@Aussie, thanks for that post/clarification.

I lived in Oz for a year and may be back depending on the outcome
of this election…

to me this matters because if Mc/Sp actually believe this “end times”
ideology and were chosen based on that, plus the CUFI/AIPAC influences, then too much is at stake to lose. the Chavez info. looks like already the world may acting accordingly. more reason to get back to work!

thanks everyone – this blog is the best

11 09 2008
Diva

Hurricane Ike-

Remember the words of another Ike, General Dwight D. Eisenhower. He warned us of the “Military Industrial Complex” that could overtake our democracy if we were not careful.

We were not careful.

Maybe Hurricane Ike is a warning from “Someone”?

And don’t forget, Ike’s granddaughter, Susan, spoke at the Democratic Convention in favor of electing Barack Obama.

Let’s be careful out there!

11 09 2008
Sydney

Just watched the bits with Charlie on Huffpost (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/11/palins-abc-interview-stum_n_125818.html) – it struck me like she was answering the questions like a beauty queen would – “Charlie, let me tell you how I would like to change the world.”

She came across a bit snarky, I thought, and her answers made little sense, showed no true knowledge of world events and came across extremely staccato.

But I’m not discounting all those insane people out there that will vote for that ticket because of the celebrity factor. This country is obsessed with celebrity and they must think it a joke to have one in the White House. I remember how people were with Jackie O – her clothes, lifestyle, hair, everything she did and now they have another chance to have their own. Seems like this country wants Kennedy in Obama and Jackie O in Palin.

Obama/Palin? Yipes!

11 09 2008
Glenn2008

fresh musical amusement about Sarah

11 09 2008
Diva

Jena- “And if you watch his body language when Palin is speaking, he actually looks terrified.”

Aren’t we all??????!!!!!!

11 09 2008
Aussie

Catholics for McCain website ……. SP “a holy woman”

[top up your pepto]

http://catholics4mccain.org/?p=138

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Divatalk (19:49:54) writes:
“We are all, always, at choice.”

“What I’m asking you to do is be happy,
right now. Smile. Send that loving energy
out, in the direction of Texas. Intend for
all to be well, for, in reality, all is well.

Diva,
Thank you for the reminder. I realize these lessons apply to all of life’s situations (could even apply to a presidential election), However, once again a whopper of a hurricane is headed for Texas. My son, an Army pilot “on loan” to the National Guard, and his family are stationed near Houston. I just got off the phone with them and they are preparing for Ike. At the same time, our entire family, across the country is sending positive thoughts their way. I agree. Collectively we have more power than is imaginable.

One further ramble…(I am having such a hard time keeping up with all your posts)…but:
Seems ironic that this storm, in the middle of this election, is named Ike, Eisenhower’s nickname. When Ike for president, his message was PEACE!

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Yellowdog, I agree with you 100% I get physically ill when I listen to her.
Has anyone posted this yet. Sara believes that Iraq was involved in 911. She is either stupid or crazy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103789.html?hpid=topnews

11 09 2008
JenaGG

The scariest thing, to me, is (according to the polls) the % of Americans that are voting for McCain/Palin. It’s a very close race … even closer AFTER he selected her as VP. Now … anyone in their “right” mind can see that Palin is way out of her league. Way out of her league. And to compound the foolishness, she’s in the middle of 3,4,5,6 scandals that could affect this nomination: Troopergate, Babygate, ChurchvsStateGate, PolarbearGate, EarmarkGate, LibraryGate …

Bush/Cheney didn’t start racking up scandals until AFTER 9/11. She’s already in full scandal mode.

11 09 2008
Aussie

@iona

Come on down! You would love our new government.🙂

11 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

I do not want to get involved in religious arguments. THAT is the damn problem with the world. I just will not be part of it.

NIGHT ALL!!

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Caroline – to your question about potential “friction” –

I think it is too late for either candidate to re-think their choices and turn back.

I actually have like McCain until around 2004. He has always been hawkish and to be frank, a little crazy. But his heart and desire to serve was there. I think his ambition to be President – that hunger to prove to Cindy’s dad that her marrying him was not a mistake – just consumed him. If you observe pictures from 2000 or earlier and now of John McCain, you can actually see an emptiness in his eyes. Everytime he comes on the TV, he looks sad. I keep on thinking I am transposing my thoughts (dear me, PLEASE DON’T WIN) onto his face on TV, but he’s different now.

Palin is so giddy to be on the national and world stage – heck, she could be BIGGER than Ivana Trump – that she is eating all of this up. I have a feeling she is listening to everything her handlers say – and McCain knows you should stay your own man – or woman. Sarah Palin will sell out way before McCain did.

I believe that Karl Rove and John Hagee knew they could sell their protege to America. They knew we would be more fascinated by lipstick jokes. They knew they could fool at least some women that this really represented progress. They knew she could “be one of us.” That was under-estimated by McCain. Sarah is the new star – and she has a lifetime now of guaranteed income and potential opportunities. Think of it – if she became VP, and McCain lived four years – she could become like Dan Quayle and sit on several influential Board of Directors. She’s smart in that she has made a life for herself and her family. Even if they do not win the election, I think she will have built a “brand” for herself at least for awhile.

John McCain lives in the past. His policies and thought processes are based in the past. Sarah does not have the baggage, and so she can be molded into anything the powers that be desire.

Just my thoughts.

11 09 2008
JenaGG

Proud2BUSA: I agree 100% re ” I don’t know what causes people to incite violence in the name of God, but it is sad and regretful that we are given so much and want to take it all away”

Most religions/spiritual practices have a basic foundation … if most of us would just practice that, the world would be a better place. I know that’s pie in the sky, but it seems like we’re not learning.

11 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Blue Idaho, on my coming from Temple Tx this evening, I happen to come across a radio talk show, Hue Hewitt. There was this Meagan who called in and said Iraq are getting what they deserve, because they attached us on 9/11. I thought how stupid does one get.

There was another lady that came on and said no one has given Cheney credit he has been right there by Bush side.

I thought I was going to throw up. Those people are so way out there, and so out of touch it is unreal!

I’m starting to believe, that someone has taken over their bodies, because there is no explanation of such stupidity!

11 09 2008
sosad

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhaahaaaaah ha ha wwwwwwwwooooo
best thing I have seen yet ,, what so you think of the Bush Doctrine sp ??
UUUUhhhhh dder uh dddeeerrr well charlie I can confirm the sky is blue uuhh ddrrrrr .. boy oh boy did I love that .. wait till the debate , he he he ,, wait till a reporter asks her a difficult question .. I hope this was the beginning of the end

11 09 2008
Divatalk

It’s very clear. Because they won’t allow her to talk to anyone (since she hasn’t studied for her finals yet) they are able to create what they want you to see. Therefore you can create the persona you want people to have to your benefit.

They are branding her c haracter. And that what people will vote for. They know people are not logical but emotional. If you can create a strong enough emotion, that is what is remembered. It’s called marketing.

IT’s like implanting a subliminal message right at the height of an emotional state..

Like the Manchurian Candidate . Whoa… that would be something

11 09 2008
Lizzie

@Amused & Bewildered: in an Augest interview with Newsmax…

“What is your take on global warming and how is it affecting our country?

Palin: A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I’m not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.”

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/sarah_palin_vp/2008/08/29/126139.html

11 09 2008
JenaGG

sosad: The interview kinda reminds you of the time you didn’t do your homework and the teacher calls on you to answer a question. She was grasping for hints, tips, tricks, clues … anything. If you watch the clip on mute, it’s quite telling. She was nervous as heck.

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Glen2008 nice!

11 09 2008
rachelbirds

Couldn’t answer key
question about Bush Doctrine —
that’s pretty scary.

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/september-11-2008-11/

11 09 2008
Sydney

Rhett – I don’t blame you for not wanting to get involved in religious arguments at all. That’s really not the issue here. We have a right to believe what we want to – whether you’re Jewish or Taoist, doesn’t matter. What we’re fighting for, though, is the fact that you can believe what you want – but please don’t force me, by law or otherwise, to believe it, too.

Sweet dreams.

11 09 2008
plwalsh

Not sure that Sarah-the-Celebrity has much of a self-life. I think David Gergen was right— he said it is pretty hard maintaining Sarah’s kind of celebrity over the long haul and it tends to wear you out. Think of all the American celebrities that either faded away (Tiffany), dropped dead (Heath Ledger), or ended up fairly deranged (Michael Jackson).

11 09 2008
YellowDogDemocrat

Blue Idaho:
Thanks for the link. I loved this part.

“As she has been since McCain plucked her from relative obscurity two weeks ago, Palin continues to be surrounded by senior McCain advisers even here; the senator’s top strategist, Steve Schmidt, and several others accompanied her to Alaska. The group is guiding Palin through a crash course on policy issues and is revising the campaign’s original plan to send her on fundraising missions separately from McCain.”

i.e. she doesn’t know what the hell is going on and we are going to have to hold her hand. she is not allowed to be away from mccain because she might actually have to answer a question without a teleprompter and she could possibly stick her foot in her mouth.

11 09 2008
Lizzie

Uggg….bedtime. That would be August, not Augest.

Good night all. Sweet dreams.

11 09 2008
Diva

The moron is now linking the “war” in Iraq with 9/11.

On 9/11.

She must be stopped.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103789.html?hpid=topnews

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@JenaGG –

First, Americans are not the sharpest tools in the shed. Surely, y’all by know after our self-congratulatory speech about how we’re “winning” the surge of Iraq….where is bin Laden? When did the War on Terror(ism) become the Surge?

Second, Americans are scared. Change is hard. There is a lot that is wrong with our Country. Much of this we did to ourselves. We hate change. We have liked being #1 (and just the thought of being toppled is hard for some).

Third, Americans still live in the 1950’s. Senator Obama has to be one of the smartest and most eloquent Presidential candidates we’ve ever had. And yet he has a funny last name. He’s black. He’s “liberal.” He’s not a hawk. What do we do with him? I think there are a majority of us out here who truly, in our hearts of hearts, know he is the right answer for this point in time of our History. Will we allow it to happen? We’ll see how courageous Americans really are on 11/4.

Night all.

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

YellowDogDemocrat (20:03:07) :
“arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh, I just watched the segment on Gibson’s interview with Palin. I CAN’T STAND HER. Is it possible to despise her as much as I despise “w” even after 2 weeks?!”

I don’t like what this says about me, but YES it is possible! I had an almost instantaneous, visceral dislike for her halfway (maybe before that) through her acceptance speech. She spent her time mocking others in a smug, sassy, smart-ass, swaggering manner.

11 09 2008
HamletsMill

I just watched ABC Nightline even though it made me uncomfortable. I posted this earlier but it did not make it to the thread. I apologize if it shows up somewhere again. These were my initial thoughts earlier tonight. After watching her on camera, she is nothing more than a sports broadcaster teleprompter reader. There is nothing more.
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DeMo (13:50:44) (from another thread) :

A snippet of Gibson’s interview with Palin. Kudos to him. He asked a question we all want answered. “Are you ready?” What’s unbelievable is that she says she didn’t blink and said yes. That’s good. Didn’t think about if you were up to the challenge. Didn’t think about how it would affect your family – your infant with special needs, your pregnant teen daughter (knowing she would be shoved into the limelight and possibly criticized). Even Gibson says it takes hubris.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5778018&page=1

I usually hate when psychiatrists/psychologists analyze people they don’t know, but this woman is a case study begging for analysis.
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Thanks DeMo.

I just read it. Wow! Not a nuanced answer on Georgia and NATO. My first impression is that this woman has apparently never read Barbara Tuchman! Holy S**t! She had better read up on JFK having read “The Guns of August” right before the Cuban Missile Crisis.

http://www.abbottsys.com/reviews.html

If he hadn’t, neither Sarah Heath nor First Dude nor any of the little Palins nor any of us would probably be here now.

Nor, it appears, has she ever read the “March of Folly”.

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/3086/rev_tuchmanb.html

Looks like they never covered Rehoboam and the “brash young men” in the Bible down at Wasilla Bible Church either regarding the fall of the Northern Kingdom of Israel! Tuchman has a famous riff on that bit of Biblical history in her book.

Things aren’t looking off to a good start folks… things aren’t looking off to a good start at all…

But someone here in the Mud did call it earlier this week. She DID skillfully work in her son’s public deployment to Iraq on 9/11 to choke everyone up. Good call. Got to work in the depth psychology of the “story of the binding and sacrifice of Isaac” in her first interview. Has worked great for the last 3,000 years. Wars and rumors of wars.

This thoughtless woman has no idea what she is getting into.

“Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.”
-Euripides (?)

And there is the ever popular:

“A bad beginning makes a bad ending.”
-Euripides

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Euripides

Amazing.

11 09 2008
Caroline

One more thing: someone said that they thought it was ‘young women’ who are switching from Hillary to Palin because we want to see a woman president… I’m pretty young (it’s all relative, right?) and I thought it was older women! I don’t know ANY women in my age group who think Palin is an acceptable substitute! So, who ARE these women???

11 09 2008
J T

Not sure if it has been mentioned on the forum yet..but did anyone notice in the interview Palin made a point of saying her son came to his own decision to go into the military? And how proud she was of him. If he did go because of legal troubles, and it gets out in mainstream media, wonder if they will call her on that exageration?

Oh…what am I saying? I forgot, she is the delicate princess. That would be a rude thing to point out.

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Let’sGetReal- It’s unbelievable. Now I know that some Republicans will be floored by her ignorance but will it be enough to sway them.

11 09 2008
BobbyG

RE-POST:

Palin in 30 seconds.

Pay it forward.

11 09 2008
Ana Gama

“Couldn’t answer key question about Bush Doctrine – that’s pretty scary.”

No doubt. Anybody who has even marginally paid attention to the news over the last six years would have known what the Bush Doctine is. Hell, probably 90% of Europeans could tell you what it is. How embarassing that the Repubs have put this woman in the position they have.

11 09 2008
Caroline

To amend my earlier question – **I’m not asking if you think Palin will step off** (or be asked to step off the ticket) I’m simply asking if you think we will start hearing rumours about friction… and if we do, is it because of his jealousy or her ambition. And it’s OK to answer that you don’t think we’ll hear about it because the lid will be sealed too tight.

11 09 2008
Deb

Had to get away for a bit…too much to absorb at once! In regards to why they only showed her from one side….people who talk out of both sides of their mouth tend to do that!

11 09 2008
sosad

JenaGG — here is the best part of it all ,, I was watching it with a republicon friend .. We have been friends for 20 years and he has always been repuba buba . Voted for bush twice and I could not talk him out of it . He loves the succubus palin ,, he had no idea what the bush doctrine was .. He is not a rocket scientist (if you know what I mean ) here is the great part .. He blurts out when we were watching that part ” WHAT IS SHE A RETARD ”
That is the key to the whole thing ,, when even repuba buba can see though sp’s dddrrrrr moment that means there were 100,000 other bubas out there seeing the same thing . we just need some more sp DDDrrrrr moments and we have it. GAME OVER!!!!

11 09 2008
Ana Gama

Caroline,

Oh. I think the friction is already there, and will become magnified the closer we get to the election. She has totally upstaged McCain. His ego is only going to take that for so long.

11 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

@Lizzie

Thank you! Anyone else have links that contradict what Palin said tonight about global warming? Keep ’em coming!!!

On another note, err, I mean a related one, here’s a good assessment from the NY Times on tonight’s installment. As much as I’d love to think it’s over now, I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12watch.html?ref=us

11 09 2008
pam

Saw this on Gristmill – thought i’d pass it on

Yes, Palin is anti-environment

As an Alaska resident I’ve watched her in action. As a wildlife biologist I vote for who I think is going to work hardest to protect our fish and wildlife.
Sarah Palin may like to snowmachine and hunt for moose, but she is anti-environment when she has to choose between fish & wildlife and big polluting mines. Here is the proof.

At the web site below, play the video on the left side of the page that reads
“Governor opposes Ballot Measure 4”
http://tinyurl.com/6xa6pf

Read more about the proposed Pebble mine in Fish Alaska magazine, a sport fishing magazine put out by Alaskans (it’s long, but please read the whole article)
http://tinyurl.com/5senuq

Gov. Palin recently came out against Alaska ballot measure 4, a clean water initiative. It is illegal for the governor to take sides on a ballot initiative, but she did anyway, probably breaking the law. Her Department of Natural Resources web site had an information page that was clearly against measure 4, and they were forced to take it down.

Measure 4 was aimed at stopping the huge Pebble mine project, which scientists believe has a very high probability of polluting the watershed that drains into the largest salmon producing river system in the world. It will be the largest open-pit mine in the world. Palin’s illegal stand against ballot measure 4, and the millions of dollars of misleading advertising by the two foreign mining companies behind the Pebble, who have a terrible track record of pollution, helped the initiative fail in last Tuesday’s election. The Pebble mine, if allowed to proceed, will likely become Alaska’s worst environmental disaster. The scope of this project is just unbelievable. Even the Juneau Empire (owned by a conservative Georgia newspaper chain) came out in favor of last Tuesday’s ballot measure 4.

http://tinyurl.com/6gbyvt

Ballot measure 4 was an attempt to bring back the clean water regulations that were in effect before Palin’s predecessor, former Republican governor Frank Murkowski, gutted them by allowing mixing zones in salmon streams.

http://tinyurl.com/644y69

I guess it’s not unusual for someone who doesn’t believe in evolution to not give a damn about the environment.

http://tinyurl.com/69ld67

Sarah Palin has been on TV in the last few days using the term “environmental extremists”. That speaks volumes.

I became a life member of the NRA when I was a teenager. Being an NRA member doesn’t mean you are going to automatically work to protect sport fishing resources.

And Palin is talking about Joe Biden voting against the Trans-Alaska pipeline way back when.

http://tinyurl.com/5vnaz7

She doesn’t mention the fact that the original pipeline proposal was for 800 miles of mostly buried pipe, much of it through permafrost, which would have been an environmental disaster, and was an engineering folly. I was on the pipeline VSM (vertical support members) drill crew in 1975 that bored through ten-foot layers of crystal clear ice. We drilled holes about 20 to 60 feet deep from Franklin Bluffs all the way to Prudhoe Bay. We saw lots of ice, and the rule was we had to drill an extra ten feet deeper for every ten feet of ice that we encountered. The VSM’s, which hung the pipe high above the ground, used passive refrigeration to keep the ground frozen. They were not part of the original proposal. The original pipeline proposal was irresponsible, and pure fantasy. Joe Biden’s vote against the pipeline, as proposed, three years after environmentalists and Native leaders stopped the original plan, is not surprising. Why trust an industry that, only three years earlier, wanted to bury hot pipe in ice?

Joe Biden favored a pipeline that would run from Alaska into Canada and join Canada’s pipeline system to the midwest US, giving us the oil instead of the Asian markets where the oil companies could make a little more money. He didn’t trust single-hull tankers to move all of that oil, so he voted no. He was right about those single-hull tankers; we got the Exxon-Valdez disaster. To this day the oil remains in the sediments of Prince William Sound, ruining the beach sediments and benthic sediments.

by alaskankid at 5:56 PM on 03 Sep 2008

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Proud2BUSA (20:14:42) :
I believe that Karl Rove and John Hagee knew they could sell their protege to America. They knew we would be more fascinated by lipstick jokes. They knew they could fool at least some women that this really represented progress. They knew she could “be one of us.” That was under-estimated by McCain.

I AGREE…SHE (I am going to stop using her name), is the Rovian diversion. Every day the country is talking about SP is another day the issues of our country are NOT being addressed and the”mostly uninvolved voters” hear only about HER on through the MSM.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@aussie : Catholics4Palin site. Okay – that depressed me. I had to go find Diva’s Dummies Guide to our Thread to get me back to a happy state.

I don’t understand these people. How can you be pro-family (not my role model there with a junkie and pregnant daughter), pro-environment (ask the wolves if that is true), Pro-Life (well, I went off on a deranged rant earlire this evening that we are pro-life, she is anti-abortion even in the case of rape or incest – let me run and get my burka); she is pro-defense (she better be since she pi**ed off Putin tonight – can you just imagine laughing his head off at us) – she just sounds like a friendly, harmless cheerleader? And we all know about all those slasher movies where the Cheerleader Captain had gone mad…..

Does she represent Democracy?
Does she represent the very standards that were set forth by our Founding Fathers?
Does she represent the very best of our best?
Does she come across as an authentic leader?

Diva – I so appreciate your one line zingers. thank you!!!!

11 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

Lizzie Thank you!

Anyone else have links that contradict what Palin said tonight about global warming? Keep ’em coming!!!

On another note, err, I mean a related one, here’s a good assessment from the NY Times on tonight’s installment. As much as I’d love to think it’s over now, I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12watch.html?ref=us

11 09 2008
HamletsMill

Let’sGetReal (20:17:43) :

Blue Idaho, on my coming from Temple Tx this evening, I happen to come across a radio talk show, Hue Hewitt. There was this Meagan who called in and said Iraq are getting what they deserve, because they attached us on 9/11. I thought how stupid does one get.

There was another lady that came on and said no one has given Cheney credit he has been right there by Bush side.

I thought I was going to throw up. Those people are so way out there, and so out of touch it is unreal!

I’m starting to believe, that someone has taken over their bodies, because there is no explanation of such stupidity!
——————————

Yep.

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Good point JT but they will find a way to spin it. They will say he chose to join the military instead of jail. He felt he needed to make amends with his country or some other kind of B.S. Then all the sheep will be like Baaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaa what a good boy.

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@sosad –
He blurts out when we were watching that part ” WHAT IS SHE A RETARD

LMAO.

11 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

Hmm.😦 Posts not going through…I’m trying again.

Thanks for the link, Lizzie

Anyone else have links that contradict what Palin said tonight about global warming? Keep ’em coming!!!

On another note, err, I mean a related one, here’s a good assessment from the NY Times on tonight’s installment. I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet though…

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12watch.html?ref=us

11 09 2008
arkangel3

Look, today was a rough day; so, I definitely didn’t look at the TV until the Presidential Service Forum tonight. That was a nice, neutral event…the last such one until the election. So, I go on the Net…and then it all hit me like a diamond between the eyes (thank you Col Kurtz):

Ladies and Gentlemen…this woman is BEYOND a NUT CASE. She needs to be placed in restraints as quickly as possible and placed in a secure, padded cell on an island somewhere with a self-destruct device planted on it just in case she escapes. THIS WOMAN MUST NOT BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE NEAR WASHINGTON, not even as a janitor! SHE IS A DANGER TO THE HUMAN RACE!

Good God! A few billion years of Human Evolution must have just gone past her gene pool, huh? Oops! I forgot, she doesn’t believe in evolution. Did she think she was answering questions for a Beauty Contest?! Maybe Charlie REALLY could have thrown her a curve and asked her about the Monroe Doctrine. She probably would have said she loved ice cream. And this woman is supposed to be next in line to succeed a senile, mentally unstable man with a hair-trigger temper and no soul?

I swear to God, I’m outta here if the American people vote this pair of lunatics into office. Is Australia and New Zealand far away, or should I try Antarctica?

I think a Xanax is in order, then a quick post on my blog…not about this (oh, wait till you see what that one is gonna look like)…and head to bed.

But first, I have to find my jaw…it’s somewhere on the floor around here…

11 09 2008
iona

@Aussie, geez. I was almost out of here…I checked it out, yikes.

“I am Catholic and we having nothing to do with the end of the world crap, and we are taught that any kind of religious fundamentalism is dangerous because it takes away a person’s God-given free will.”

exactly, who are these people?!

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. and positive energy as Diva said.

enough said, back to work.

& go Kevin Rudd! thanks mate. night all.

11 09 2008
Lola

BACKPEDAL ALERT! BACKPEDAL ALERT!

Seems Palin has changed her strict stance on the global warming not being man-made issue, just in time for the second segment of the Gibson interview.

She asked Gibson to show her where she ever said it wasn’t man-made. Hmmm….can any of you Muflatters help?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here it is:

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/sarah_palin_vp/2008/08/29/126139.html

From a Newsmax interview

What is your take on global warming and how is it affecting our country?

“A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I’m not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.”

11 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

Hmm…posts not going through…I’m trying again.

Lizzie, thanks for the link! Anyone else have links that contradict what Palin said tonight about global warming? Keep ’em coming!!!

On another note, err, I mean a related one, here’s a good assessment from the NY Times on tonight’s installment. I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet though…

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12watch.html?ref=us

11 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Caroline: someone said that they thought it was ‘young women’ who are switching from Hillary to Palin because we want to see a woman president… I’m pretty young (it’s all relative, right?)

I think I might have said that – it was a general statement and not direct. With that said, I’m young in heart and spirit, but my body could use on those extreme re- and overhauls. They’re not my generation. My generation marched. They fought. I can’t imagine any of us looking Joan Baez in the eye and saying: “…look what we did…” if she is elected.

11 09 2008
Diva

Ok, I watched some of it.

Gibson first had to explain the Bush Doctrine to the moron.

Then the moron said, “Charlie…..if there is enough intelligence…..”

That’s when I knew. There was NOT enough intelligence, in that room, with Charlie Gibson.

AGGGGG……The STUPID!!!!!! IT HURTS!!!!!!!!

11 09 2008
HamletsMill

Ana Gama (20:32:18) :

Caroline,

Oh. I think the friction is already there, and will become magnified the closer we get to the election. She has totally upstaged McCain. His ego is only going to take that for so long.

———————————

Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYpeKbHKVbU

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Caroline (20:30:54) :
“To amend my earlier question – **I’m not asking if you think Palin will step off** (or be asked to step off the ticket) I’m simply asking if you think we will start hearing rumours about friction… and if we do, is it because of his jealousy or her ambition.”

Caroline, I think McCain was used to flying solo with “Maverick” as HIS call sign. As my husband (the repub) and I were watching the two of them together a few days ago, SHE (I’ve chose to stop using her name – trying it out here) was pumped-up, flinging her arms around, almost hit him, and the crowd was shouting “HER NAME”, “HER NAME!”. My husband noticed that I was grinning, but so was he. I asked him what he was thinking. He said he thought McCain was using all his restraint not to give her a great big smackdown! And it’s only just begun.

11 09 2008
Intrigued

Track Palin will be “protecting the Brigade Commander” while on duty in Iraq.

Sounds like a cushy assignment because of who his mother is.

I KNEW IT!!!

11 09 2008
Aussie

I’m so tired of this abortion stuff! All this fuss about legal status!

Since when does outlawing anything stop it from happening?
Does it stop murder? rape? incest? child porn? drugs?

Maybe I should be brave enough to ask the question on the catholicslovecompassionatesarah site …..

11 09 2008
Siege

Check out all the comments on ABC blog. So many people disgusted with Charlie- his body language, he was sexist, he attacked her…what show were they watching? They said they won’t watch ABC anymore. Some will instead get “unbiased” reporting from O’Reilly. Just shows the GREAT divide in perception. And that is what scares me. REALLY scares me.

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Proud2BUSA (20:41:12) :
I’m young in heart and spirit, but my body could use on those extreme re- and overhauls. They’re not my generation. My generation marched. They fought.

YES WE DID!

YES WE CAN!

11 09 2008
An AK Republican, no more

Did she really say “We can see Russia from Alaska. From a little island we can see Russia.”

11 09 2008
kh78748

Governor Sarah Palin is obviously uninformed and inexperienced. She is in fact the perfect argument against intelligent design.

I watched ABC Evening News with particular interest in Charlie Gibson’s interview with Gov Palin. I was surprised by the direct and unrelenting questions posed by Gibson. I was also impressed with Gov Palin’s capacity to stick with the McCain/Palin/Rove script regardless of the question. Many of her answers had little or nothing to do with the question posed by Gibson.

The thing that amazed me the most was the strange editing of the interview. It appeared to be very choppy, unprofessional with terrible transitions. I presume this was to edit out Gov Palin’s ‘duh’ remarks or, cynically, ABC News agreed to edit out Palin’s most embarassing remarks. I hope that someone will be able shed some light on this mystery.

kh78748
Austin Texas

11 09 2008
sosad

good good good thing she is in the news ,, I hope all day every day .. The more she is front and center the more pressure for her to talk to reporters .. The sooner she will hang herself with some ddderrrrr uuhh what?
Hit her with some hard ones
Education – Give us an example of the socratic method
uuuhhhhh dddrrrr
Volunteerism – do you practice altruism ??
uuu ddrrrrrr who ??
The economy – what market situation is an oligopoly ?
well uuhhh drrr
The last nail in her coffin — is the USA a syndicalism ??
the last drrrr fades to crickets chirping

11 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

hey Rhett (17:43….around bout that time anyway)….. yes she is repetitive. anyone have a count on “hungry markets”?

okay let’s also talk about ethics reform in alaska……….is there anything other than the legislation that lowered the reporting level from $5000 to $1000?

is that “reform”……….? hopefully i missed the bill that had all the new badass language in it?

oh man and thanks for the video on aipac. wow. i think that popped an eardrum for me. you just have to like wilkerson every once in awhile. i don’t know why but he warms my heart.

how does aipac and the evagelicals balance their conflicting ideology?

but i digress. i am steeling myself for the rest of the gibson interview.

oh and i called a few of my girlfriends and we had a bit of a discussion about the fact that if any of us were ever interviewed about our dear friend being chosen for VP that the topic of chocolate would be forbidden and that most of our time would focus on the value of community organizing and how that is what builds the strong grassroots relationships that will turn this election on its ear.

assuming the machinery isn’t rigged.

crap on a stick. this is your country shining a light on its own peculiar brand of counting on a buttload of people not reading and/or giving a diddly do on election day. of that all my girlfriends agreed. those who read are beyond worried – we are in the zone of incredulity. that place between where you are weightless and the moment you know you will be slammed back down into your seat.

11 09 2008
Deb

As for the younger generation….I am a PROUD mother of 4 under 35 voters…who ALL, along with their new spouses will be voting for Obama! When I hang with them and their friends, their friends are all stoked by Obama as well! So, don’t rule out the cell-phone generation (2 of mine don’t have land lines)

11 09 2008
Erin

As someone living in Alaska, I have never ONCE heard Palin talk about anything other than Alaskan issues. She has been so completely wrapped up in the gas pipeline project that she hasn’t addressed any issue outside of Alaska. Until now. I can’t believe she has any interest in world politics or even what’s going on in the rest of the country.

The interview she gave today was a joke- she’s pretending to know what she’s talking about and you can even see the *blink* *blink* she gives when Charlie mentions the Bush Doctrine. You can see the wheels turning in her head asking herself if that’s something that McCain’s aides coached her on. Unfortunately, they forgot to give her the answers to that question. Her response is typical Sarah- she ignores the bells going off in her head and plows ahead with an answer. Doesn’t hesitate, doesn’t second-guess herself. That scares me to no end.

11 09 2008
Deb

And, the right says Charlie was picking on her? He was showing AMAZING restraint facing a VP candidate with so little knowledge of the issues!

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Siege (20:51:36) :
Check out all the comments on ABC blog. So many people disgusted with Charlie- his body language, he was sexist, he attacked her…what show were they watching?

Siege, these is the voters that concern me. I decided to do a bit of “action research” while out and about today. While getting my hair cut, I asked my beautician if she has been following the election. No – except she keeps hearing a lot about “that woman” – what’s her name? she asked me. I didn’t say her name, just shared much of what I have learned by doing research about “her”. Hmmm – she’ll pass that on to her customers.

A couple days ago someone posted a quote by Bill Engval about a t-shirt that says “stupid” on it…and why. I loved the funny quote and now I’ll have to dig back and find it. I am rambling and heading to bed.

Good nite…Mudflatians?

11 09 2008
Erin

Oh, and how about “SpongeBob Barracuda Pants”? “I’m ready…I’m ready…I’m ready!”

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Arkangel3 LOL

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

kh78748 (20:54:22) :
“Governor Sarah Palin is obviously uninformed and inexperienced. She is in fact the perfect argument against intelligent design. ”

Thanks for the laugh! I needed that.

11 09 2008
Erin

Sorry, she’s also been to Mexico and Canada. Big woop.

11 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

I thought I would throw some more info into the religion mix. The Bible Church of McLean. I’ll just quote Wikipedia to start the ball rolling:

“McLean Bible Church is a non-denominational, evangelical Christian megachurch located in McLean, Virginia, a suburb of Washington, D.C. The head pastor is Lon Solomon, a Jewish convert to Christianity, who joined the church as its fourth pastor in 1980. Solomon leads McLean Bible’s four main worship services, and can also be heard on secular radio stations in the Washington area with his 60-second “Not a Sermon, Just a Thought” messages designed to reach out to an unchurched audience. Solomon also serves on the board of directors of Jews for Jesus and was appointed by President George W. Bush to the President’s Committee for Intellectual Disabilities.

The church’s motto is “Impacting Secular Washington for Christ.” Founded in 1961 by five families, the church now boasts over 10,000 members and meets at the renovated former headquarters of the National Wildlife Federation. Its membership ranks include many prominent members of the conservative establishment in Washington, including former prosecutor Ken Starr[1], Senators James Inhofe and John Thune, former Senators Dan Coats and Don Nickles[2], author Joel C. Rosenberg, former Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, and many business leaders.”

I believe that intellectual heavy weigh Justice Thomas is a member. When Hillary was in her go-along to get-along phase when she was first elected to the Senate, she flirted with this group and attended their “special for Gov’t elites” prayer breakfasts.

This will tell you a bit more about the real power elite tied up with Sarah’s coreligionists.

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Deb (21:03:51) :
As for the younger generation….I am a PROUD mother of 4 under 35 voters…who ALL, along with their new spouses will be voting for Obama!

YES YOU WILL! It’s the older folks, like ME, that I am worried about. Times have changed since we were kids. However, many of our generation haven’t.

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Obama is going to be on Saterday night live! This should be good.

11 09 2008
Sioux

Don’t be concerned about the “voters” on the ABC blog jumping on Charlie for being mean to poor Sarah, nearly all of that is an organized republican effort. ABC knows that.

11 09 2008
portland oregon native

She has not even read the Constitution of the United States or the oath of office she would take IF elected. “…defend the people” indeed! The oath states that one will “protect and defend the constitution…”!
Ignorant, vacuous, vituperative, idiot
ENOUGH!
Obama/Biden 08
get busy people; vote, volunteer, donate! today!!!

11 09 2008
RedwoodMan

A couple of clichés seem appropriate…

Oh, the tangled webs we weave…

And… hopefully…

It will all come out in the wash…

OMG… Let it happen…

11 09 2008
J T

Why do they have Bay Buchanan on CNN? What is the point? Palin could say anything and Bay would justify it. Egads.

11 09 2008
Ana Gama

Erin (21:09:43) :

Sorry, she’s also been to Mexico and Canada. Big woop.
—————–

LOL! So have I, and more than once to each place. And I’ve also been to Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Italy, England and Ireland.

Can someone send me the VP application??

11 09 2008
HamletsMill

ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck (20:59:46) :

“crap on a stick. this is your country shining a light on its own peculiar brand of counting on a buttload of people not reading and/or giving a diddly do on election day. of that all my girlfriends agreed. those who read are beyond worried – we are in the zone of incredulity. that place between where you are weightless and the moment you know you will be slammed back down into your seat.”
———————————————

I hear ya. I am now starting to get furious with John McCain that he has put this nation so recklessly at risk. I mean…REALLY furious. All good people here were trying to do their best in life. Earn a living to provide for their families. Work hard. Try to contribute to the progress of the human race. Study the issues. I gave three years of my life as a veteran long ago in my youth. I knew people whose lives ended in their youth squandered in war by the leaders of this nation. All for this now? All for this cynical Rovian joke thrust upon us? It is the height o cruelty. I am becoming furious. This is not good. I will focus back on patience and steel resolve. But this is all so damn annoying that we have to go through this utter crap.

Good night all. Rest all you dear Mudrats. Rest for the night. Get your strength for another day of this utter insult upon the intelligence and citizenship of us all.

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Here is at least one reporter with a little balls.

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/5641/5641

11 09 2008
Deb

Anne-
My mother who is in her 80s and a life-long Republican is also voting Obama….AARP does us a great service in separating chaff from wheat!

11 09 2008
Deb

oh…and Anne…my mom lives in TEXAS!!! and is STILL voting or Obama

11 09 2008
chch

Israel, like Georgia, bombs with our permission.

They bombed Iraqi nuclear facilities in 1981. http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0695/9506081.htm

They bombed Syrian nuclear facilities in 2007. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2461421.ece

No doubt their lobbyists are burning midnight oil as we type… http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/opinion/18morris.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

11 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

NYTimes reaction to Palin’s interview ….. Amateur Hour!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12palin.html?hp

11 09 2008
Erin

Sosad: I think your comment explains exactly why the editing was so messed up. They had to cut out the parts of the interview where Charlie blurted out: WHAT ARE YOU A RETARD?

11 09 2008
need to know what they are saying

On pork barrel spending. Palin didn’t want a chef in her home because she did’nt want anyone close in her home to see how disfunctional her family is.

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Wikipedia is McCains new Foreign policy advisor? Good grief!

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/192/wikipedia-mccains-newest-foreign-policy-advisor

11 09 2008
AnneinWA

Deb-
Thanks for the inspiration! I didn’t mean to stereotype anyone, but I do think it’s sometimes harder for older folks to accept change…

11 09 2008
KC, Seattle

Here’s the link where Palin’s first mentions her view of global warming.
Feel free to pass it on to Charlie.
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/sarah_palin_vp/2008/08/29/126139.html

11 09 2008
Deb

no offense taken hear, Anne…it just goes to show that people are hurting economically. I know my mom has blamed bush et al. for the last several years….she’s tired of it! Cute, spunky, woman may last for a few weeks…but pocketbook speaks louder.

11 09 2008
Deb

here not hear* typos have taken over….I have stayed up WAAY past my bedtime since this republican ploy started.

11 09 2008
marti

now our rally has turned into a circus with threats levied against 2 of the organizers. One radio station with Eddie Burke as the dj gave out their names and phone numbers. He is organizing a counter rally.

What a bummer

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho
11 09 2008
flywheelgrinding

I wonder how long before Cindy comes home and finds the bunny on the stove.

11 09 2008
11 09 2008
Aussie

marti, I’m so sorry to hear that.

You are women. Potentially Democrats. Speaking out. – Triple threat!

Can we help?

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Flywheelgringing— stop stop your killing me!

11 09 2008
kvass

Considering the fact she did not participate in the nearly two years of primaries as many others did, that her political experience has been limited to a small state in terms of population, and her time in office as a governor is not even halfway through the first term, it would seem a folly to elect the McCain/Palin ticket. Not only is she the “heart beat”away from becoming the next president but there has now been a precedent set by Cheney on backroom powers of a V/P that have gone beyond anything in previous administrations. The whole thing is something of a bad joke.

11 09 2008
Diva

Enoughwiththetrainwreck- “assuming the machinery isn’t rigged.”

We make no such assumptions. In fact, quite the opposite.

Vigilance!- Kent Jones

Prayers for Texas and all in Ike’s path….
Prayers for all who survived 9/11
Prayers for our leaders, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Prayers for my new friends here….
Protect us all

‘night, all.

11 09 2008
Aussie

“Eddie Burke, the king of the political grape vine is on your radio. So tune in and listen to Eddie use his freedom of speech to help Alaska become the state that we all know and love. Eddie Burke is a local boy, raised on the hard streets of Spenard. His up-bringing was no different than others in Alaska, raised in a middle class household. He is a normal Alaskan. A high school dropout, Eddie did eventually earn his GED through self teaching and discipline. It was during this time when he realized that the Government did not really represent the people. It was within this realm of political thought that he discovered his conservatism that his audience loves so much. His rough and tumble radio personality thrills us all. This self made man eventually owned his own gas station, of which he learned the intricacies of the oil business. It is with this insight into the distain of government in the oil industry that he brings to the radio world truth and justice. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the Eddie Burke show.”

You can show him your “distain” at eddie@kbyr.com

11 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Good night muddy mud skippers.

11 09 2008
Zim

Watched the SP interview…scarey….aActually she’s not quite so attractive closeup…a little nasty ‘type’ methinks.

I cannot find any info on this….Has JMcC got any siblings or was he an only child ?

11 09 2008
Diva

marti (21:40:00) :

now our rally has turned into a circus with threats levied against 2 of the organizers. One radio station with Eddie Burke as the dj gave out their names and phone numbers. He is organizing a counter rally.

What a bummer

“Eddie”? What-is he 8 years old? What grown man is still calling himself “Eddie”?

“Eddie” should be in jail for inciting violence. Were those two women’s numbers published or private? He should be charged with invasion of privacy.

Give “Eddie” a dose of his own medicine. Where does “Eddie” live? What’s his phone number? I have free calling on my cell, bet lots of us do. We’re all over the world, the time differences will be a real bitch for him, getting calls all day and night.

“Eddie” is a bully. He needs Joe Biden to punch him in the nose!

“Bloody his nose, Joey!”

11 09 2008
Aussie

I just did!🙂

11 09 2008
Echo Beach

Greetings from Brooklyn, NY.

This week has admittedly been my first time poring over – and cracking up over – an Alaskan politics blog.

What you’re doing here is very important, and I would like to thank you.
This stuff gets fascinatinger and fascinatinger.

Keep it up. You bet I’ll keep reading.

11 09 2008
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11 09 2008
SMR

I just had my hubby watch “McCain gets a real interview” on youtube. If you’ve not forwarded that clip to everyone considering voting for that idiot, please do so now!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRki_WqUJY

So, McCain thinks we should stop giving all of these countries that don’t like us money for energy? How about keeping our energy resources for ourselves? What the hell is the deal with Palin giving away Alaska’s natural gas to Japan, approving the renewal of that contract???? The local natural gas outfit is raising fees 22% and she is letting our natural gas be shipped to Japan? Now I know that Japan probably isn’t at the top of anyone’s list of countries that don’t like us, but I’d still like some answers when my gas bill goes up by 22%!

And she knows more about energy than anyone in the US? Then what in the world are we subsidizing oil company executive salaries of millions for? Why should we pay over $4 per gallon for gas so that CEOs of BP/Exxon/COP/Etc can earn millions if Palin can do their job better than they can? And I’m pretty sure that both my husband & I, as technical professionals in the petroleum field, have forgotten more about energy than she knows!!! What utter bullsh*t!

I am trying to focus on channeling my anger & frustration with the McCain/Palin ticket into positives (volunteering for & donating to the Obama cause, making my signs for the rally this weekend), but that clip sent me over the edge! Where’s the koolaid?!

11 09 2008
Echo Beach

Oh also? Someone on another blog (I know! Sorry.) called her Mooseolini.
Has she been called that here yet? Sorry, if so.

11 09 2008
jwa

Bush Doctrine: anyone remember the Tom Cruise movie Minority Report (2002) where he was a cop in a future society that arrested people before they committed a murder.

America used to have moral authority in the world because we stood for something good. We didn’t stoop to the methods of our enemies and the world respected us for that. Now, under Cheney/Bush (I think Dick C really runs the White House) we accept holding prisoners indefinitely without a trial, torture, wiretaps of American citizens, etc. Bin Laden doesn’t have to hit us again with another attack. Why should he bother – he’s already won the war when we give up our soul and become just like him.

11 09 2008
marti

I will be working on getting “Eddie’s” phone number for you all to play with if you like. I am still going to the rally, will be brave, even though feel a little intimidated (I know, I know the intended effect) But it’ll be COOL I’m making 2 signs – should be fun any in keeping up with Molly Ivins quote. (here or elsewhere? “Whatever you do have fun doing it. (I can’t recall the exact quote, maybe “Whoever has the most fun wins!”

11 09 2008
Mil

All of you who are headed to the rally should call the police if you feel safe with them, ahead time to tell them you are organizing a peaceful demonstration. In any case all of you should take cameras and use them a lot, also see if any news media wants to come by. Taking pictures will help protect you.

11 09 2008
syt

@Proud2BUSA and others,

Thanks for the CIFU/AIPAC conversation. I got turned on to this a while ago, and it’s pretty scary stuff. And I agree with your assessment that Palin has been groomed for this job for a while. Her wiki page said that Republicans ran campaign ads for her during her mayoral campaign, which was unusual since mayoral campaigns are nonpartisan (I should note that someone mentioned to me that this has been taken off the wiki page as of late, but I have not been back there to see if that is the case). Also, Ted Steven’s PAC is supposedly for grooming Republican women for higher office. So yes, it seems that she is well connected to the current power structure.

That is very scary about Venezuela. I knew about the war games, but I did not know about the diplomats. That is definitely an act of aggression. I’m afraid that Putin is testing the waters in an effort to establish Russia as the world’s next superpower. Not good.

That interview with Palin was bad, but I think most non-thinkers will like it. However, I don’t think that anyone can cover the Bush Doctrine gaffe. Seen in context, it completely stopped the momentum of the interview.

11 09 2008
An AK Republican, no more

I can’t go to the rally; work. Really, who needs it? But I have to work. Can someone make a sign for me that says, “Thanks, but no thanks!” I would like for it to say other stuff, but that is not the right way to go.

11 09 2008
Lani

Good luck with your rally! Thousands of us are with you in spirit.

Meanwhile, I looked at the South American news. Now there’s some unsettling stuff. While bright, shiny object distracts our media, our ambassadors to Venezuela and Bolivia are ejected, and the Russian navy plays pitty-pat with Chavez.

11 09 2008
Cookie

The McBush interview with the Maine T.V. station (posted above) was even more disturbing than McPalin’s ABC interview. Could he actually believe what he said? And are Americans stupid enough to believe it? I sent it over to factcheck.org.

11 09 2008
SMR

I think my daughter and I have come up with some good signs (keeping it G-rated!), but AKRepublicanNoMore I like your sign idea, so yes, I will make it for you & carry it for you! You can join us in spirit!

11 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

Honestly, I could not bear to watch this interview – I hate Charlie Gibson’s smarminess and from the few clips I’ve seen afterward, Palin was a total warmonger out of Dr. Strangelove.

I hope the press rips her answers tomorrow – if they become apologists for insane Dr. Evil-type answers like that I will be writing alot of e-mails.

She should watch “The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming” – when Alan Arkin says to Carl Reiner: “Suddenly it is World War III, and everyone is blaming you!”

Yesterday afternoon on Wolf Blitzer, there was a Republican commentator – not sure of his name but he’s the big guy with the baby face that Chris Matthews ripped into the night before over the “lipstick on a pig” thingy.

Anyway, when Wolf asked him why any voter would switch parties to vote for Palin, his answer was mind-boggling:

“Palin is like Mom and Apple Pie.”

What? Sorry, but my Mom was nothing like Palin, and I bet the dear Gov couldn’t bake an edible pie if her life depended on it.

Anyway, Donna Brazile was on there too and gave him a skeptical look, then said, “We don’t want a symbol, we want someone with answers about issues.”

So then the guy says: “The Press keeps attacking Sarah Palin . . . ”

And Wolf Blitzer cut him off and said, “Why shouldn’t she answer questions about the issues? And she’s only been around for two weeks, so no one really knows her.”

11 09 2008
Zim

PS I found out that John McC has a sister and a brother.
I also see that his mother was an oil heiress ( ? )

This is sad… the link says that he attempted suicide. Is this widely know ?

http://www.nndb.com/people/914/000023845/

11 09 2008
NMJ

Maybe she never faces front so she can hide the earpiece that they’re feeding her answers through from a block away, a la “24”.

11 09 2008
Corie

Who wants to bet that the Truth Squad will be out tomorrow, squawking about Charlie Gibson’s ‘sexist’ treatment of SP?

11 09 2008
Aussie

@Zim re McCain’s suicide attempt while a POW – who is to say that dying of torture or starvation is a better option?

11 09 2008
ds55

NMJ: Maybe she has bruises that would show under the studio lights.

11 09 2008
Aussie

@ Corie – someone called them the Trough Squad today ……

12 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

I agree this women is dangerous. Have you ever seen a canidate for a vp office allowed to rattle sabbors before an election. It was usually thought to make the Pres canidate look weak. (It’s working by the way) Even Shotgun Chaney didn’t start shoting off his mouth and beating his war drum until after he got in office. He was to busy keeping Clinton/Gore in his sights. He was kept safely just off stage until after 9/ll. Or was he still off selling tanks and covering up the weapons of mass distruction we would need to find “over there” later? Oh, no that was when he worked for papa Bush. I got to keep up…these arms, oil and nuke guys are tricky. I’m just wondering where he is now and who he is selling what to these days?

Is this woman really going to tell every mother in small town America she is a traitor if she doesn’t raise her son to be a good sold… make that a you-can-save-your-sinning-soul if you become a warrior? But, it was his choice. right! While having the press follow her around not for an interview on issues about how to improving the live of family right here in America. No before we get to that she justs tell every would be terrorist on the planet when and where her son and 4,000 more men are being sent. Was that in the morning before breakfast, I didn’t see her calender today, just heard about it after the fact. Then on the same day give out the one and only realy, realy real interview telling any would be world leader that wants to get some world press coverage that she’s willing to shot first if any one darns to think about trying to there defend oe hold the ground in thier homeland, where ever that might be if she happens to get enough intelligent information that she might need to shot first and ask questions later. Doesn’t she think anyone is watching? Hey even the Queen Grandmother of England, had more brains than that…talk about mindless, clueless and dangerous. What will she not do to get elected.

I guess there have been other examples of women like this in history is that why God never gave them the vote, they rose to power by eating there young, make that sending them off to a foriegn land to fight for God and country? I thought we were suppose to learn from history? Oh, I forgot that was only the history as written in the Bible {Insert examples, I mean bible verse here].

12 09 2008
Zim

Aussie…don’t get me wrong….it must have been too awful…I am truly sympathetic of POWs and am dead against torture. (I grew up in a wartorn country)
It is just something that I was not aware of.

BTW….are you and Aussie in Oz or an Aussie o’seas ?

12 09 2008
NY Dem

So then the guy says: “The Press keeps attacking Sarah Palin . . . ”

And Wolf Blitzer cut him off and said, “Why shouldn’t she answer questions about the issues? And she’s only been around for two weeks, so no one really knows her.”

————-

Poor Sarah !

Right on Wolf – for example, look at what a Supreme Court nominee has to go through to be appointed to the bench. The endless vetting and questions and Congressional hearings.

Yet none of this applies to the person who might hold the 2nd. highest office in the country ! They can just hide her away and parade her out when needed to win the election.

Think of how many times you have seen her kids since the election ? Is it, ZERO ?!? They were a great prop for the convention, but know they are nowhere to be found.

Sarah Palin is being used by the Republican party to try and steal the election, and even she can’t see that. If McCain gets in, they would drop her faster than a hot potato and appoint whomever they really wanted in the first place. They’ll probably use one or more of the many SP controversies we have been talking about here on Mudflats as ammunition against her.

Sarah Palin is NOT one heartbeat away from the Presidency — she is one heartbeat away from being dumped by the side of the road by the Republican party !

12 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

Maybe the virtue of Palin’s candidacy is that it motivates the rest of us to not be complacent and really work to make the change. Any political party that would promote her as a candidate has run out of steam. There REALLYis a distinct difference between the parties.

I read that Obama is now 6 points ahead in NC. It’s the electoral college.

Also I note among professional and middle-class Republicans a distinct discomfort with their ticket. Do they vote Obama or sit it out? I live in a Republican county and hear the murmurings.

12 09 2008
Lani

According to Zim’s info, McCain’s dad died at age 70, younger than McCain is now. People always point to his mom (still alive) as a reason why McCain isn’t too old, but never mention his dad’s death at a younger age. Yep, yep, Palin is one heartbeat away.

12 09 2008
Aussie

@GJ in Idaho – don’t fret so, it’s common practice for a ‘troubled’ teen to plea-bargain a stint in the military ….. my own husband joined the US Navy at 17 – he was a chronic truant, not a vandal on drugs – and did 2 tours of duty in SVN in the 60s. Young Trick, Truck or whatever has been assigned to bodyguarding a C.O. – he’s not cannon fodder. But it was not his ‘choice’, any more than it was the daughter’s boyfriend’s ‘choice’ to get married….

Ha! Some ‘choices’ are ‘choicer’ than others …..

It’s no co-incidence that his embarkation was on 9/11 – and you have to admit that, now that his mom is vp nominee, the cameras and interviews HAD to be right there on 9/11 …..

12 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

Hey can any of you clipping and cropping that video with Charlie today catch her just as she blinked right after he asked her if she could “look him in the eye without blinking and tell him she was ready to be commander in chief?” It would make a good late night talk show clip.

12 09 2008
NMJ

GJ in Idaho: Didn’t notice the blinking, but I did notice how much she tightens her lips and licks them nervously when she’s asked something she knows she’s clueless on.

And did you notice when asked 3 different ways to give an answer on Israel’s use of nuclear weapons against Iran, all she could do was say the same vague sentence 3 times, word for word? Also on a question about sending troops to Pakistan…

12 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

@Aussie

12 09 2008
Aussie

@Zim, I am an Aussie at home, the daughter and wife of American citizens … but born and bred Australian.🙂

I’ve travelled extensively and I care very much about what happens in the world – and my worldview is definitely Australian.

My father and my husband both chose as young men to make their lives in Australia. I figure I have the best of everything.🙂

12 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

@Aussie (sorry about fat fingers)

Actually the all volunteer force didn’t take those kids. This just shows the level of desperation in recruitment these days,

12 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

Thanks, Aussie. I just had to let off some steam. I’m sure I’m just mad because my son made his own decision to join the Marines to get and education and see the world as promised to him in high school, when they came for him on campus. I know she must love her kid, and men and women have been doing the war thing it seems like forever. I’m just ready for the 2000 years of peace cycle…was hoping it would begin in my life time. Us old hippies just don’t give up.

12 09 2008
NMJ

Hey, Guys…AK just put a new post up!

12 09 2008
Aussie

@ Hick Town in PA, you are in a prime position if you’re among Republicans with good eyesight. The ones I know are a lost cause so far (“call me Independent” – I call them ‘unreliable’), but my new argument will be about ‘commitment” …. how can you call yourself a ‘thinking person’ and not be prepared to commit to your own views?

If I were you, I would engage them – it’s not about God, guns and abortion, it’s about Iraq, jobs, and pensions going down the toilet … they will at least understand THAT.

12 09 2008
Lani

Well, I better check out the new post. But… I’m just now able to stand to look at the interview w/o puking. She-who-shall-not-be-named looks & sounds dreadful. Curved spine, twitchy, screechy voice, closed body language. How dare anyone compare her to Hillary!

12 09 2008
NMJ

Lani: “She-who-shall-not-be-named…”

LOL love that!

12 09 2008
batguano101

You are performing a great service here.

With the government taking over Freddie/Sally, Leeman crashing, and deep economic depression staring us in the face I think it is terrific the population focus on rumors and celebrity gossip.

Otherwise they might think diebold prevents any value to the vote and real frustration take place.

Thanks

12 09 2008
jake88

A. The “woman” (Palin) is a moron. Her answers were moronic.

B. The right-wing conservatives, to whom her nomination was meant to appeal, loved her answers: war is good, abortion is bad, xenophobia is the way to go.

It’s not about logic. She could sit there and tell the world that Jesus rode a dinosaur, and her numbers would go up in the polls because, you know, she’s just a hockey mom with lipstick, and she’s gonna shake things up, and she’s “just like us.” Apparently lots of chromosomally-challenged Americans love that kind of simplistic narrative.

This would be funny if the consequences weren’t so dire – a return to the cold war (at least), an escalation of actual war in other locations besides Iraq (at worst).

12 09 2008
The Traveling Filipina

UGH! I’m listening to NPR and people are cheering for the Cheney-Vagina. Don’t these Palin-Drones know about Troopergate?

Sickening.

12 09 2008
dasche2248

Watched the Gibson interview and Palin did fine.

12 09 2008
sexywhispers

Honestly, I think stonewalling takes some form of intelligence. She is just an idiot with too much power used to being a big fish in a small pond. I am not sure how fried Barracuda tastes….maybe like chicken? ~~Dee

12 09 2008
citizenofindignation

For an analogy to Palin watch the movie “Pirates of Silicone Valley,” When Steve Jobs tells Bill Gates after Gates creates Windows that it won’t matter, Apple is a better operating system, Gates says “When are you going to realize how much that doesn’t matter.”

That is the case with Palin. None of this seems to matter. She gets elected based on a cult of personality and substance has nothing to do with it. The more she gets hammered the more her energized based gets bent out of shape and goes on the attack and that somehow seems “refreshing.” I am hoping the national political scene is smarter than that but not holding my breath.

12 09 2008
winstonsmithcloned

poll on the front page of TIME asking do you agree with Sara Palin that the US should go to war to defend Georgia?

http://www.time.com/time/

current response level 11% yes, 90% no.

slightly contradictory to the voter polls

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/08-us-pres-ge-mvo.php

12 09 2008
Arn

I was, at first, impressed with her answers, she seemed to be direct and honest, but then she said things that I already knew wasn’t true, then she didn’t know what the Bush Doctine was (I knew that one and I’m just a backwoods hippie with very little contact with civilization) then she claimed foriegn policy experience because you can see Russia from Alaska (you can see their outermost island from our outermost island). Then a fact check on her answers showed that that was her ONLY correct answer, you can See Russia from Alaska.
So even though she “sounded” like she knew what she was talking about, she didn’t know much of anything. This, on top of her support of hunting bears and wolves from the air (these animals are on the endangered list) just so we can drill on their habitat, and her apparent desire to go to war with Russia makes me very worried. What we have here is a BimboBush who could conceivably soon end up with all of our codes for launching nuclear weopons. Let’s pray she doesn’t go near any buttons while she has PMS.

12 09 2008
TheraP

mcSham circus in a nutshell:

1. They’re lying.

2. They’re crying … wolf.

Everything they do fits into one of these two categories.

We need: Lie Counters and Crying Wolf Counters.

Label and Count. Label and Count. That’s our attack!

Meanwhile, our guys Obama and Biden, lay out the specifics and make it about issues.

12 09 2008
batguano101

Arn-

I value your observations.

Still, I have to admit it would be great to shoot critters from the air, preferably with a mini gun skimming over at low altitude in a black hawk.

Just a mad minute of slaughter mind you, nothing serious.

But in regard to the answers, anyone including Palin would be a great move up from the current administration which not only does not get things right, but has an ideology and aims contrary to the national interest in many if not most or perhaps even all things.

Palin is an angel compared to Hillary Clinton who is wicked and unpleasant as well.

The election shall appoint the persons who have been chosen no doubt, but not through the election process we wish.

Diebold- love it or leave it.

12 09 2008
Arn

TheraP, just a slight correction on your comment, they aren’t crying wolf, they are killing them.😉

12 09 2008
winstonsmithcloned

i see stories picking up on the confidence in the confidence answer to the ‘Are you ready? question but no parallels between how that mindset and the mindset that places the creation myth alongside the evolution theory as
equally possible scenario’s are mindsets that have no place in the head of
one responsible for the fate of 300 million people

12 09 2008
Arn

batguano, you’re kinda scary yourself. I find it rather absurd for anyone to get a thrill out of slaughtering animals, from the air or from the ground. Even just a mad minute of slaughter can drastically change their chances of survival, you could just possibly be killing several pregnant ones, thus depleting their reproduction. Drilling for oil (which is why she wants the bears killed, to remove them from where they are supposed to be protected so they can drill there) is not worth causing the extinction of any species, with the possible exception of mosquitos, but they don’t affect our oil search anyway, they just bite suck and itch.

12 09 2008
batguano101

arn-

Yep, no question about it killing a pregnant animal would decrease her reproductive ability.

You are mistaken about the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, even if the old ABC wide world of sports clip is no longer shown today- not that ski jump accidents are identical with skimming over enemy columns at 100 feet spraying them as they pass under you, creating something similar to a video game of shooting.

Ok, we stand in agreement of mosquitoes: they do bite, suck blood and it does itch.

But anyone who has lived on the Texas coast, where massive drilling was done before, and production pumps away today as we write, mosquitoes even huge ones do not prevent drilling.

Besides, you just cannot see the success of low flying kills on mosquitoes, so I have to leave them out of this particular analysis of vice presidential candidates.

Carried to it’s “logical conclusion” I think that particular avenue has been covered now, don’t you. But I am sad to concede that, as the topic was far better than the question of who will be the next president or vp.

Remember, the family who hunts together, eats red meat together.
And that red meat is good over a campfire a la natural just as well as any other manner of cooking.

12 09 2008
Arn

Your last paragraph was correct, I hunt myself, and fish. But there is a big difference between the occasional hunt to spend an entire season to shoot maybe one deer and the wholesale slaughter of animals that will just have a left foreleg cut off and the rest left behind to rot. There are two reasons to kill, survival and meat (no, not greed and religion). Slaughtering wolves doesn’t meet with either one of those reasons.
And I wasn’t saying that mosquitos interfered with oil drilling, just that they are the only species worth making go extinct for any reason. All species will go extinct eventually, including ours, but we don’t have the right to bring that extinction on for any species, including mosquitos.

12 09 2008
John McCunt

Well said.
Clear and transparent, that’s what she is.
The presidency is in the bag.

Thank you for your support.

12 09 2008
bibleontour

You all need to have better things to do then slam a public servant who is actully serving people. Come on!

12 09 2008
Annie Perkins

What do you expect from a woman who names her children using the Sarah Palin Baby Name Wizard (link)?!

12 09 2008
batguano101

Arn-

Ok, I’ll split the difference.
Spare the wolves, which I did not think of shooting anyway, and kill the mosquitoes.

Sorry, spraying mosquitoes would not be the same as swooping down over a herd of thundering wilderbeasts, er, cariboo, and reeking havoc, but I draw the line on saving the mosquitoes. Besides, no one can kill of the mosquitoes completely, they are like roaches.

So you agree Palin is pretty good looking and better fishing and hunting company than say Hillary Clinton, although probably the ideal comparison would be Senator Biden, who would probably be good company on a moose or cariboo hunt as well come to think of it.

12 09 2008
MH

Yes, we are sharing information about someone who is clearly unqualified to hold the second highest, much less highest, postion of office in our country. To note that Palin is unqualified is like saying the Kalahari is sandy. It’s a simple truism — actually, a breathtaking understatement — but for those who are either accidentally or deliberately ignorant, the response is, “Huh?”

1) Mayor of a town that’s not much bigger than my high school.
(And how ’bout *charging* *rape* *victims* for those rape DNA testing kits, and inquiring about book banning while you’re there? Not to mention hiring an Abramoff-connected lobbyist to push for so much pork per capita she was in danger of trichinosis.)

2) Governor for less than two years of the least-populated state in the Union
(And how ’bout that TrooperGate scandal, with the *recorded phone call* proving pressure to fire Monegan? Per diem abuse? The demonstrated, on-video, PROVEN LIES about “no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere? The continued appetite for outrageous pork, including millions to study seal DNA and the mating habits of crabs? Foreign policy expertise because “you can see Russia from Alaska”???)

Are any of these arguments personal? Every. single. one. of them can be backed up with documentation, video, audio recordings. NONE of them can be disputed on a logical basis, so by all means let’s just plug our ears and sing, “La la la! I don’t want to hear it! She’s got executive experience!”

She’s not a reformer. She’s not a proven leader. She’s not even honest. She’s totally unqualified, and even more terrifying, A DOCUMENTED LIAR. She’s George Bush in lipstick — “don’t blink,” don’t think, don’t plan, just act on your gut and spin, spin, spin!

After all, that snap judgement “leadership style” worked SO WELL for us with those 9-11 conspirators and WMDs in Iraq (Hint: 0 for 2). Hey, anybody up for ANOTHER WAR with Russia over Georgia? Nuking Iran?

Palin’s nomination is McCain’s Watergate. A total failure of judgment, followed by a complete abandonment of honor. Her undeniable unsuitability for VP proves his unsuitability for the presidency.

That enough for you, bibleontour? Oh, wait, that’s right — la la la la la….

12 09 2008
culturepress

Clear and transparent–she’s clearly a fraud, and she’ll be another Bush if elected.

culturepress.wordpress.com

12 09 2008
batguano101

Culturep-

Now you know that is not true.
That woman can form complete sentences and is not afflicted.
No one could be another Bush if they tried.

13 09 2008
Hawk

Did the Palins ever release any of their tax returns? Although not required legally, I’m sure it is an obligatorily part of the public’s vetting process. All of the other candidates already released their tax returns, right?

Did the Palins ever state publicly that they will, or publicly refuse to do so? If so, please provide a link for verification. Thanks

How come Sarah and Todd Palin are so rich?

So facts:

1. The Palins say they had to elope 20 years ago because they had no money.

2. Todd said he could not finish college because of money problems.

3. The Palins tried but failed at a car wash business.

4. In her big speech, Sarah bragged that her husband is a union worker (implying that he is just a hard working “9 to 5” kind of guy).

5. Todd has been a stay-at-home dad for about a year, which means he had no employment income.

6. The Palins have been raising a bunch of kids, which, of course, is expensive to do.

7. Sarah started working in politics around 1996, when she became a mayor.

But, somehow (according to this web page http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-78448)

the Palins have amassed a net worth of about NINE MILLION DOLLARS.

How is that possible?

Where did all that money come from — considering that for most of the past 20 years Tood has been a union worker and Sarah has been a civil servant?

Someone needs to investigate this, no?

13 09 2008
Hawk

Typo: “So facts” should be “Some facts”

13 09 2008
Hawk

Biden Releases Tax Returns, Prodding Palin

By CHRISTOPHER COOPER and T.W. FARNAM
Wall Street Journal, September 13, 2008, Page A6

WASHINGTON — Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden released 10 years of tax returns Friday, in what his campaign said was in part an attempt to pressure his Republican counterpart, Sarah Palin, to do the same.

The returns, posted on running mate Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign Web site for the tax years from 1998 through 2007, offered few surprises about the finances of the Delaware senator. . .
Sen. Biden and his wife Jill released a decade of their financial records Friday. . . .

But the prime purpose in releasing the Bidens’ tax returns is to pressure Alaska Gov. Palin to do the same, campaign officials said. They pointed to a Washington Post article this past week that said she claimed about $43,000 in travel expenses for family members who accompanied her on official trips and billed taxpayers for about $17,000 in per-diem travel fees for herself, though she spent much of that time at her home. Under Internal Revenue Service rules, such payments would likely be considered taxable income.

“Did she pay the taxes she owed? That’s the question she can only answer by showing us her returns,” one Obama campaign official said Friday.

The McCain campaign said that when it began considering Gov. Palin as running mate, it received seven years of IRS returns from her. It declined Friday to directly respond to questions about whether Gov. Palin had properly accounted for her travel expenses. A McCain aide said the campaign intends to make the returns public.

The full story, in today’s Wall Street Journal, can be read here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122123529865928455.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

13 09 2008
Hawk

Sarah Palin’s Tax Problem

Please read these to get some insight into PerDiemGate

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/09/sarah-palins-ta.html

http://bojack.org/2008/09/governor_palin_your_tax_return.html

13 09 2008
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14 09 2008
Blue Idaho

I wonder if some of Palin’s wealth comes from her inside knowledge of oil and natural gas. Perhaps she has owned stocks in companies that have contracts and won contracts during her time as a gas commissioner. I know commercial fishermen made good money years ago but a net worth of 9 million seems like alot. I bet she has some sketchy business dealings.

15 09 2008
UK lady

Hi everbody, posted this a couple of days ago but have a look if you haven’t seen it. You all sound as if you could do with an adrenaline boost.

UK lady (06:04:21) :

UK lady (05:54:12) :

Wow, just saw this, they don’t mince their words or worry about being pc do they.

http://

15 09 2008
UK lady

Sorry folks can’t get it to cut and paste – well worth looking at in previous blog Alaskan Women etc.

16 09 2008
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