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8 09 2008

Looks like it’s going to be another good day to tune in to the live feed from KUDO radio, here in Anchorage. The show Cutting Edge, with host CC will air from 3-6pm Alaska Time. That’s one hour earlier than PST, four hours earlier than EST.

Today, they’ll be dishing some good dirt.

On the show, Representative Les Gara is goint to talk about how “McCain’s people are coming after Senator Hollis French“. French is the legislator who is heading up the ongoing Palin ethics investigation.

Republican representative John Coghill said in a letter to the chairman of the Alaska Legislative Council that comments made by Hollis French concerning Palin and the “troopergate” probe were political.

Coghill, a preacher who is a staunch supporter of Palin, said French’s comments that the inquiry into Palin’s dismissal of Alaska’s public safety commissioner could form an “October surprise” indicated he was not neutral.

Also in the show, John Cyr, the Executive Director of Public Safety Employees (PSEA) will talk about the ethics complaint that was recently filed against Palin by the union, alleging improper use of information from the personnel file of Alaska State Trooper, Mike Wooten – the ‘trooper’ in ‘Troopergate’.

They love hearing from out of state callers, so feel free to call in and ask questions, or share your views, even if you’re not from Alaska.

FOR THE LIVE FEED, CLICK HERE.   To call in, the number is 907-569-1080


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8 09 2008
raingods

Always when I’m at work!

8 09 2008
Arkangel_3

Just picked this up on the net…true or no?

http://opedna.com/2008/09/08/wasilla-police-billed-sexual-assault-victims-for-rape-kits/

Maybe someone can definitely verify this. If true, Palin is even more vile and detestable than I thought her to be.

8 09 2008
MataHarley

Today, they’ll be dishing some good dirt.

I’d say that says it all, Mudslinger. I suggest you might as well apply for the job as the local Alaskan state gossip columnist. If you’re looking for “standing”, at least Halcro – as an opponent – offers more viability, pride as an Alaskan, and class. You, my dear, are an embarrassment as one who suggests she is in command of facts.

GOP’s Cogburn was coming at French for his pre’investigation determination in the media about Palin as guilty… ala tossing the words “impeachment” and “likely to be damaging” at every opportunity. Terrific, unless you are trying to portray a legislative witch hunt as the unbiased investigation he pretends it is. Unfortunately, French has stained the rest of the Alaskan legislature by his behavior. But that’s okay.. the FBI and nation have seen your Alaskan lawmakers in such low esteeem for years.

So congrats on celebrating the perpetuation of that image.

I have no idea why you prefer a legislative investigation over the Personnel Board, as per Alaskan law, for enforcement the The Ethics Act. If you read your own Alaskan Constitution, Article I, Declaration of Rights, under DUE PROCESS, you’ll find that your delegate ancestors had a distinct distrust of legislative investigations. One that is shared by the nation and SCOTUS.

Now we see why… thru your eyes. Again, congrats for embarrassing your fellow Alaskans.

Since there are two investigations… one that has legitimacy in Alaskan law, and the other than is a politically instigated game, why not trust what your ancestors laid out instead?

Or do you have a problem with “unbiased” and legal due process?

MataHarley – First of all, in the interest of presenting the facts accurately, it is Representative Coghill, not “Cogburn”. Second, the investigative power of the legislature is plenary. That means they can investigate whatever they wish. They can voluntarily choose to hand over the investigation, if they choose, but I doubt they will. According to former Alaska Attorney General John Havelock, this certainly does have ‘legitimacy in Alaskan law.’

Hollis French only became an issue the day after Palin was chosen by McCain. He is not doing the investigating. The pre-investigating of this issue was done by the Attorney General Talis Colberg at Palin’s request. French was simply asked to appoint an investigator. He did.

You, “my dear”, should gain some command of the facts.

8 09 2008
raingods

You mean the personnel board that Palin appointed? Give me a break.

8 09 2008
OpEdna

Arkangel_3 asked if the story “Wasilla Police Billed Sexual Assault Victims for Their Own Rape Kits”. If you read the blog (http://opedna.com/2008/09/08/wasilla-police-billed-sexual-assault-victims-for-rape-kits/) mentioned above, you’ll see that a newspaper in Palin’s own home state reported on the story in 2000.

The link may be slow, as (thankfully) I’m getting a few hundred hits a minute. Let’s hope people start seeing Palin for what she is: a liar without compassion for anyone but herself.

8 09 2008
karen marie

wow, i guess things really are different in alaska.

an investigation that had the approval and support of everyone involved BEFORE august 29 is now “illegitimate.”

wow.

mataharley, would you deny that there is certainly the appearance of impropriety in the palin and state republicans calling for the venue to be changed and/or to have senator french replaced AFTER she becomes the republican vp nominee?

from here, it looks like just more of the same republican game-playing that many of us would like to stop.

i can see where you might be feeling a little unhappy about the way alaskan politics appear in the light of this new day but rest assured, most of us know that if you picked up a rock in any state the way the palin-rock was picked up in alaska, there would be an embarrassing scurrying of questionable creatures.

perhaps if all of you in alaska who are unhappy with the fact that the corruption and malfeasance of your politicians is being opened for public view could have a chat with sarah palin and have her return to her governorship and then you all could deal with your problems privately.

until and unless that happens, i’m sorry but you are wrong to blame any individual or group of individuals, including specifically this blog, for what’s now going on.

8 09 2008
From England

mataharley….if I was you, I’d be less worried about being an embarassed Alaskan and more worried about being an America that ceases to be relevant in the global context if this frighteningly ill-prepared lady becomes VP.

She seems likeable enough…but under her co-leadership America’s economy will be driven even further into the ground, the tattered remains of your international standing will be discarded and she will be laughed out of every meeting she holds with foreign leaders.

Muckraker is doing a fantastic job of getting folks to think through all the issues/discuss and be in a better position to make an informed vote. Instead of attacking the person, I for one would greatly appreciate it if you attacked the ideas and gave us some facts that will help us try and build a comprehensive picture of what the next 4 years with the good governor in power would look like.

Thanks

8 09 2008
PJ

Hey Mata,

Palin had no problem with French before her nomination. Neither did the rest of the legislature.

8 09 2008
Manny Mysterio

They’re trying to stall the story until after the election. They’re too big and powerful, it will work. They want to bury everything until then. Are they really going to be able to get away with choreographing every public and media appearance of hers so she can read off a script until November? Sarah Palin was picked to help win the election and I can’t believe how well it’s working for them so far. The ability of people to willingly keep their head in the sand is mind numbing.

If they do pull it off, it this ridiculous stunt wins them the election, they’re going to have to keep doing the same thing with her for four years. She’ll never be asked to do anything important. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let the scandals break then so they can replace her.

Journalists need to step it up.

8 09 2008
8 09 2008
fawnskin

beware of trolls.

8 09 2008
flywheel

Hey “MataHarley”,
Do you actually have a constitution in Alaska that allows the Governor (who might be investigated for possible violations) to appoint the citizens who might be charged with investigating her/him?

We are reading down here in the lower 48 that Gov. Palin appointed the members of this board. But maybe you didn’t know that.

8 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

hi- thanks for the heads up.
what’s the area code? (she never says it!)

907-569-1080

8 09 2008
Memphis, NY

New strategy guys
Lets go blog on the toss up states newspaper web sites
MSNBC is listing four as major
My problem is they have florida as toss up it has the most electoral votes and heavy jewish population
GET The WORD OUT ON FLORIDA NEWSPAPAER COMMENTS

8 09 2008
From England

My friends…I’m listening to Kudo…it’s great, CC’s funny:) Will shout if anything comes up.

8 09 2008
John Henry

Yes! I’m listening now. Boy, Al Gore is a genius. This internet thing is great!😉

8 09 2008
mvngfwd

Hey Mudpals! I’m reposting this here since we keep moving faster than I type and I think it is important to act on! I have to mentioned something that is more important than Ms. Pitbull and her “ways”. Bottomline, they are using her as a shiny object to distract us from the real problem which is voter exclusion happening now in all states. I am listening to Nova M radio and they just mentioned that Virginia students are being given erroneous information about registering such as “they need to emancipate” before they can register, etc. They are scrubbing the voter registrations of, surprise!, likely Obama voters. The real mission here is for all of us that belief in our Constitutional Right to Vote, must demand the integrity of the vote. Whether you are Dem, Rep, Indep, or other if you really believe in your candidate then let the real vote speak for itself. PUSH PAPER BALLOTS!!!! Be a poll watcher! Come on people, do you really think Rove didn’t even Google her? Of course he did, and realized he could get the best of both worlds; energize the religious base, get the numbers close, and then steal the election (AGAIN!!!!) because we all were looking too hard at the dysfunctional mess with glasses. I am just as guilty given that I have been literally living off this site since the announcement. We must do everything in our power to ensure the integrity of this election and all to come in the future. And I put a challenge out to all M/P fans to put up or shut up if they really believe in their candidate. This is our country, good, bad or indifferent and many families have sacrificed greatly on behalf of our Constitution and the belief in our Bill of Rights. Let’s not become the joke of the world promoting “Democracy” when we cannot even guarantee it in our own voting booths. Proudly an Obamacrat/Obamacan American family!

8 09 2008
MataHarley

Raingods, research before thy speaketh.

The personnel board are all appointees of Murkowski.

8 09 2008
MataHarley

After reading further, I can see that others besides Raingods, has a history and research problem….

The Personnel Board was appointed by no friends of Palin. And it is Alaskan law for The Ethics Act.

8 09 2008
PJ

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/08/sarah-palin-troopergate-r_n_124881.html

Looks like McCain, I mean, Coghill, didn’t get his way.

8 09 2008
rpahk

Sorry, off topic but here is a great Obama advert just posted on Dkos:

8 09 2008
jimstaro

the tattered remains of your international standing will be discarded and she will be laughed out of every meeting she holds with foreign leaders.

Of which she will be following in condi’s footsteps,, nobody is listening or paying her any heed, nor what the administration, tough guy little bush, tries to demand in that fake mocho voice and face!!

8 09 2008
Arkangel_3

Edna…thanks for the great work on that story and the whole piece from the local newspaper. I REALLY hope this gets out there to the MSM, because the women in this country need to know what they are getting with Sarah Palin. You think that of all crimes, a woman would be more understanding. Charging for a rape kit? That’s like charging the family of a murder victim the cost of the murder weapon or the execution cost of the murderer.

Sarah Palin will single-handedly set any gains women have made in our society back DECADES. And btw, I’m a father of two daughters. If I ever got a bill from the local police department for something like this, I’d totally lose it.

People in this country need to wake up NOW, not on November 4th! Please…do your homework when it comes to John McCain and Sarah Palin. John McCain does not have the temperament to be POTUS, and Palin does not have the knowledge or the experience as well as extremist views. Read and educate yourselves; don’t accept what you are being fed by the MSM or the McCain campaign.

8 09 2008
From England

yes indeed mvngfwd…we’re not helpless in all this…my friends across the pond, make sure you’re registered, make sure your family and friends are properly registered…volunteer, donate. This is the future of your country and of the world’s political and economic stability!!!

Yes you can!

8 09 2008
Bellaboo

After watching the national news, I am in despair because of the new polls- Are American women that dumb ( I am a woman) that they will vote in anyone just so that we’ll have a woman as VP?
I am going to sit on the nearest Amtrak rail lines and wait for the Acela to plow right over me…

8 09 2008
Sarah in CA

What are you afraid of? If Palin’s such a Saint, and has done nothing wrong, this investigation should clear the air for her.

8 09 2008
Irishgirl

I cannot believe that there is a possibility that Americans would willingly vote in the rethugs. I know I am preaching to the converted here in Mudflats and I have been following this blog for the last week, but if Sarah Palin gets the vote, then I think America will become a laughing stock all over the world! I was going to say, “I pray to God that this doesn’t happen,” but I think I will leave God out of this particular debate.

8 09 2008
jimstaro

Bringing this over from one of the other threads, Important!!!:

Dear VoteVets.org Supporter,

One the most disturbing developments we at VoteVets.org have seen this week are media outlets reporting details regarding the deployment of Track Palin to Iraq, Governor Sarah Palin’s son. In a number of outlets, the details of when and where Track will be in Iraq have been reported. This isn’t just a violation of Operational Security (OPSEC), it puts the lives of every troop around him in danger.

It’s time for the Department of Defense to investigate who is leaking these details to the media. And, we need you to co-sign our letter to the Pentagon to get an investigation underway.

CO-SIGN OUR LETTER DEMANDING AN INVESTIGATION HERE

We’re all proud of every child of a politician who is serving in uniform – Democrat and Republican. And, their parents deserve to be proud. That’s not the point.

When someone chooses to bolster that story by leaking classified details to the media, it allows the enemy to gain valuable information that allows them to strike at a symbolic target of importance – and all the troops around that target. It’s dangerous, it’s illegal, and it needs to be investigated.

SIGN OUR LETTER HERE, TO STOP LEAKS OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION

Whoever is divulging this information to the media should be prosecuted and punished, if found guilty. Whether you’re a Democrat, Republican, Independent, or of another party, we should all agree that we cannot accept anyone feeding classified details to the press. Join us in demanding the Pentagon investigate.

Sincerely,
Jon Soltz
Iraq War Veteran
Chairman, VoteVets.org

And Brandon, Peter, Brian, and the rest of the VoteVets.org team

And pass this out, as well as post it up on your sites for others to pass on!!

Thanks!!

8 09 2008
FiredUp

Hello all- This is my first post, although I have read every blog and probably every comment made for the last week or so. This blog has made me feel sane every time I think the rest of the world is losing their minds!

I wanted to know what others thought of the fact that McPalin is now criticizing Obama on earmarks?? Not to be crass, but does anyone else remember “whoever smelt (sp?) it… dealt it” from the school playground? I keep thinking of that every time McPalin criticizes Obama- they criticize Obama for not being experienced, then bring on Palin; they criticize Obama for earmarks when she has asked for more per capita in federal earmarks than any other state. What next? Look for them to criticize Obama for not knowing what Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do.

Pay attention to their attacks because they are pointing the finger at Obama first so that the American people don’t notice that the true transgressions are theirs. What is the saying? The best defense is a good offense.

8 09 2008
Mil

lol, that MataHarley troll is such a coward you can’t just free comment on their site. You have to register. Are you afraid of people who don’t agree with you? You don’t seem to have a problem with stirring up others.

tsk tsk.

Btw, I looked at your site… and you are calling us biased? So said the pot to the kettle. Get a life.

8 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

seems that hollis is the reformer…
hmmm

8 09 2008
From England

I don’t understand why the Mccain camp is being so obstructive to the Troopergate investigation. Honestly, it really doesn’t sound like it’s a big deal….and in anycase, in SP’s defence (and it galls me to defend her)…the trooper in question is not the best model of what you’d want a trooper to be. It could be argued that yes she overstepped the mark BUT it was towards a noble end?

So tell me..why make this into a big deal by putting pressure on the investigating crew? Perhaps Mccain expects this to be more than it actually is?

8 09 2008
sockeye

McCain is trying to run out the clock but I say the clocks runnning out on him!

Let’s get the momentum back!

My focus for the day: I gotta crush on Joe Biden!

We gotta keep Joe Biden up and center in the media. He really is doing a fantastic job lately.

Joe Biden On Fire! – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE

Joe Biden Smacks Down the War! – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA

Joe Biden at his best (and most witty)! – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XberX_t-WvI&feature=related

Joe Biden on Meet the Press (issues! issues! issues! showing the depth of his expertise) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6cmTQKnvdI

Pass these great clips on!

Volunteer. Donate. Vote.

8 09 2008
jimstaro

What is the saying? The best defense is a good offense.

It’s called rovian politics, and everyone still thinks that little fat boy is smart, they telegraph Exactly what they themselves are doing, so now, like you say, they are trying to switch the talking point realities off them, or her, and jump quickly on Obama, notice folks they really haven’t gone after Biden, so Biden needs to come on Stronger and Hillary and women in Congress have to start using that female instinct and hit their sister Palin where it hurts!!

8 09 2008
Regi

So tell me..why make this into a big deal by putting pressure on the investigating crew? Perhaps Mccain expects this to be more than it actually is?

If your boss told you to fire someone without cause, take on the union, etc. and you said no because it wasn’t legal, and then YOU were fired you’d be OK with that? It’s a huge deal, an allegedly good employee and good man lost his job through abuse of power. The trooper still has his job. Palin’s left a trail of fighting public employees for not getting in line behind her fundamentalist/narcissistic agendas.

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

Could it be that when Muckraker posts a new topic while I’m writing, it gets lost? Seems to have happened several times. Lucky timing, I guess.

Anyway, another LA Times piece worth perusing if you can tear yourself away from Mudflats.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/09/08/calendar/et-webscout8

The Palin part is the second part. Some interesting comments about new media. I took time to email the writer as follows:

Interesting how the “new media” is in the lead on Palininfo, isn’t it. I grew up on, in fact you might say I cut my teeth on the LA Times way back more than half a century ago. Despite my disappointment in how it has lost its edge and its nerve, I’m still a reader. (I do definitely miss Paul Conrad, though!).

Like many Americans on 8/29, when McCain made his surprise pick of Gov. Palin, my first reaction was Sarah WHO? So I started digging to find out as much about her as I could. Luckily, early on I stumbled upon a blog called “Mudflats.” Do take the time to visit http://www.mudflats.wordpress.com. Now I do read a number of other blogs and news aggregator sites — I figure the more I can learn about someone or something, the better informed voter I am. The thing that has impressed me the most about Mudflats is that the writer’s posts are informative, well-written, and generally several days ahead of the video and print media. He provides context — the backstory to things from a distinctly Alaskan point of view. We’re learning that those folks are something of a breed unto themselves. And even better, the people who comment are intelligent, concerned about our country, and passionately committed to truth-seeking. The site is excellent at fact-checking, sourcing, and tamping down rumors rather than spreading them. There are commenters from all over the world, and not just the English-speaking world. And of course, many more lurk than enter into the discussion. Discussion is almost always respectful of others’ opinions and consists of sharing information, along with expressions of frustration, confusion, anxiety and a fair amount of what can only be described as gallows humor. Where else could we in the lower 48 see a 55-shot photo safari of Wasilla, AK? Anyone who thinks the “small towns” the McCain campaign has been visiting since the convention are in any way similar to Wasilla would be in for a rude awakening!

I particularly appreciated your analysis of McCain and company bashing the “media elite” when in fact they have been almost as far behind the curve as the McCain vetting team. Fortunately, that same “media elite” is finally getting up to speed. I realize that there’s far more heat than light on many, perhaps even most political blogs, but this one is truly different. See for yourself, but if you become as addicted to it as many of us have, don’t say you weren’t warned.

8 09 2008
From England

@sockeye, he is a good looking man…and who isn’t a sucker for a good dad. I loooove the way he is with his kids. I cried..it was ugly (tears, nose blowing etc) throughout Beau’s convention speech.

8 09 2008
protus

Ok dont fret people the usa/today poll is way off and someone skewed those numbers.

Its true mccain has had a bounce and we do need to get out the vote!!!

We need to get that 2-3% back and theres only one way todo that.

Ground Troops!!!!

Is everyone ready to go out and make these last two months a personal mission to spread the word and make a difference?!?!

Hell Yeah I am!!!

Lets go people!!!

Obama/Biden 2008!!!

8 09 2008
Ky

MataHarley, do you have a link to support your claim that Murkowski appointed the board, not Palin?
Thank you in advance.

8 09 2008
Harley

I noticed MataHarley leaves no ability to reply on her blog.
She must be a Palin supporter I thought when I went there,
no need to answer for what she says.
She just wants the ability to say whatever she pleases with
additional conversation.

These right wing-nuts crack me up.

BTW MataHarley, Obama is Christian and he will be President.

8 09 2008
Harley

“without additional conversation” I meant to type

8 09 2008
Political Amazon

MataHarley, you sound bitter.

The numerus scandals already out are apparently just the tip of the iceberg. So you better fasten your seatbelt because we are in for a very bumpy ride, and if you’re already so bitter over just ONE of Palin’s scandals, this is going to be a LOOONG ride for you.

Perhaps French should investigate the AK Attorney General, and file new abuse-of-power ethics charges against Palin, for her use of the AG to snoop around the Legislature, trying to find out what she was being investigated for. Palin, obviously not a rocket scientist, in using the AG, has now basically made him eligible to be called as a witness in the case.

You do realize, of course, that when French opens up the Palin can of worms, there is going to be a lot more found out about her and her actions while governor of Alaska.

Me? I’m not bitter. In fact, I plan to take a few days off of work when the divorce papers of her husband’s ex-business partner (you know, the one she had an affair with?). Really, review of court documents cannot be rushed. It takes all the fun out of it when you do.

8 09 2008
Arkangel_3

Mvngfwd>Excellent post…and absolutely the truth. EVERY vote in this election counts and needs to be counted. It will be that close. It’s even possible that there could be an Electoral Tie, which the late Tim Russert (rest his soul) used to prognosticate as a very distinct possibility.

People need to be made aware NOW of the POTENTIAL for voter fraud. The Virginia story about student emancipation affecting their parent’s tax returns in a LIE. Only the Federal Government has jurisdiction over it’s own tax policies, NOT ANY STATE. A student may vote in a state that allows students to sign up there as residents of the state because they live there most of the year. States that do not permit this will send a student an absentee ballot. In addition, the student has a CHOICE of where to register: the state where they attend school OR their home state.

In all cases, students (as every American over 18) has THE RIGHT TO VOTE. This election is too important not to be counted. DO NOT LET ANYONE DENY YOU YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE. Know the registration deadlines and your options of voting. You cannot be counted unless you step forward as a citizen of the United States over the age of 18 and not only ensure you are registered, but that you VOTE. Too many men and women have died getting you those rights…remember them and honor them by VOTING, and ensure YOUR VOTE IS COUNTED!

8 09 2008
raingods

People like that always crack me up. The three nitwit writers I deal with on my blog leave no way for anyone to comment, yet I leave their comments for all to see. It certainly shows how “open minded” they really are.

8 09 2008
CoyoteMarti

Need a little pick-me-up? We finally used the L word (and I ain’t talking Love)!!! Newest Obama ad called ‘No Maverick’ is on YouTube and on barackobama.com. Fans are going nuts. And today in Michigan when Barack was saying “they can’t just make things up”, the crowd started chanting “lies! lies”. Whew, I needed that.

8 09 2008
Political Amazon

FiredUp, the one thing we can be sure of with the GOP: they will accuse their opponent of what they themselves are guilty of, but which their opponent is not guilty of.

If we don’t get sidetracked by the fireworks, and immediately turn and focus our investigations on that same issue but for its presence in the GOP, we will nail them every time.

8 09 2008
Karen

I just posted this on an older thread before noticing how far behind I am:
Chris Matthews did a brilliant job hammering the Repub talking head -too bad Chris can’t go on more shows than his. He blasted the guy with one question after another – do you believe in no abortion under any circumstances, do you believe in creationism, do you believe all the science you were taught in school is wrong, etc. The guy didn’t know what to say, all he could do was giggle. Then Chris asked him why they would think Palin would appeal to Hillary supporters. The Repub actually said she would appeal on the same cultural values as Hillary, and his only example was that Hillary was tossing back shots of Crown Royal! Chris basically told him he was an ass.

8 09 2008
ReneND

I see Matthews is acting willfully clueless about the term “community organizer”. I saw a log list somewhere. Boy scout leader ,etc. Anyone know ? I tried the google but couldn’t find it. I’d like to send it his way just so he knows we are paying attention.

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

For weeks I’ve been saying that McCain is channeling McCain with his attacks. What to know where McCain is weakest? Look at the ways he’s attacking Obama. Just change the name.

PS… is anyone else having problems with comments not showing up? I thought it was just that I was getting caught when AKM updates with a new post, but I’m not so sure. I’ve had several disappear into the ether today.

8 09 2008
From England

@Regi…don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree with what she did. But I am thinking about how the Mccain camp might have framed it and how voters might frame it….instead of this panic to cover up what could potentially be framed as a minor issue…leads me to ask, why the panic??

Good conservative woman…reformer versus A trooper “gone wild” who could pose a threat to the good people of Alaska. The governor was trying to protect the people of Alaska and to make sure that her community had confidence in the troopers………She asked Monegan (sp.) to deal with the issue – he did not take action she felt would have been suitable, therefore felt he would not be able to support her in her reform agenda. Perhaps she over reacted but it was in the best interests and for the safety of the Alaskan people

8 09 2008
ReneND

that would be long list

8 09 2008
Karen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieuA7nAOBXQ This is a good video ad – we need more like this.

8 09 2008
MataHarley

No, Karen Marie

I not consider French’s legislation investigation illegit. There are two investigations. One is thru the Alaskan lan for the Ethics Law… the Personnel Board. The other is the traditional legislative investigation that is done by politicians.

So one I consider an investigation waged by law on the behalf of the people. The other I consider a partisan, closed investigation.

Perhaps you should research the now defunctin Independent Counsel Law to get up to speed on the difference.

8 09 2008
sheesh

A mudflater from Moraga on KUDO. Thanks Heather!

8 09 2008
Memphis, NY

I know it was posted before but what is the phone number for 1080 KUDO

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

OK, lemme try one more time with this one. Sorry if the other tries show up eventually… another article from the LA Times and my email to the writer…
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/09/08/calendar/et-webscout8

Interesting how the “new media” is in the lead on Palininfo, isn’t it. I grew up on, in fact you might say I cut my teeth on the LA Times way back more than half a century ago. Despite my disappointment in how it has lost its edge and its nerve, I’m still a reader. (I do definitely miss Paul Conrad, though!).

Like many Americans on 8/29, when McCain made his surprise pick of Gov. Palin, my first reaction was Sarah WHO? So I started digging to find out as much about her as I could. Luckily, early on I stumbled upon a blog called “Mudflats.” Do take the time to visit http://www.mudflats.wordpress.com. Now I do read a number of other blogs and news aggregator sites — I figure the more I can learn about someone or something, the better informed voter I am. The thing that has impressed me the most about Mudflats is that the writer’s posts are informative, well-written, and generally several days ahead of the video and print media. He provides context — the backstory to things from a distinctly Alaskan point of view. We’re learning that those folks are something of a breed unto themselves. And even better, the people who comment are intelligent, concerned about our country, and passionately committed to truth-seeking. The site is excellent at fact-checking, sourcing, and tamping down rumors rather than spreading them. There are commenters from all over the world, and not just the English-speaking world. And of course, many more lurk than enter into the discussion. Discussion is almost always respectful of others’ opinions and consists of sharing information, along with expressions of frustration, confusion, anxiety and a fair amount of what can only be described as gallows humor. Where else could we in the lower 48 see a 55-shot photo safari of Wasilla, AK? Anyone who thinks the “small towns” the McCain campaign has been visiting since the convention are in any way similar to Wasilla would be in for a rude awakening!

I particularly appreciated your analysis of McCain and company bashing the “media elite” when in fact they have been at least as far behind the curve as the McCain vetting team. Fortunately, that same “media elite” is finally getting up to speed. I realize that there’s far more heat than light on many, perhaps even most political blogs, but this one is truly different. See for yourself, but if you become as addicted to it as many of us have, don’t say you weren’t warned.

8 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Sarah Palin Factchecked:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

Maybe folks in the swing states can sign up and help out the grassroot organization:

http://pol.moveon.org/2008/housing/?id=13746-5170922-nzKdeFx&t=1

Interesting video on John McCain:

Once again I have been reading for hours on end. Am totally mind boggled by all of the hatred which is spewed on different blogs. Are we going to end up in a Civil War because of all this hatred? It is so scary to see this country as divided as it is. I once again turn to the Mudflaters as my source of sanity. By far, this is the most intelligent non threatening blog out there.

Kudos to you AK….keep it up! Thank you for giving this haven to be in during these rocky times.

A Big Hug to all my fellow mudflaters!!

8 09 2008
jimstaro

Palmdale, CA :

Someone mentioned some posts were hitting the ‘spam’ box, I don’t see anything wrong, maybe it’s the browser, I’m in ‘FireFox’ right now and actually haven’t used IE in about a week.

8 09 2008
Bellaboo

Obama and BIden have to go after McCain and Palin-they can’t sit back like John Kerry did and think that it will just somehow go away. Americans grasp on to taglines, ‘tax and spend’ “community organizer’ “earmarks” and they soon tune out. I can’t remember how many times I screamed at John Kerry’s website to fight back when he was ‘swiftboated’. I guess what we can do is talk to our neighbors, friends, acquaintances- my brother in law- a well educated guy- thought Palin was just was Washington needed to get rid of the wasteful spending, but I certainly set him straight-
Obama and Biden, step into the ring

8 09 2008
Political Amazon

Jimstaro, regarding your comment about CRice/Palin…

Sorry for the earthy phrasing that is about to follow, but this is how I see it:

Con Rice was nothing but a jump mare; a plastic imitation of the real thing.

And Palin is even less than Rice.

Jump-mares may be just fine for the GOP stallions, but for the rest of America…not so much.

8 09 2008
MataHarley

Mudslinger

When you edit my comments, you may want to reference my responses in fairness.

Yes, it’s Coghill… senile space on the name. Altho I have to admit, Rooster Coburn was coming to my mind. It’s not that I have a GOP vs DNC state lawmaker on my mind.

But his name? It makes not a hill of beans in his argument.

Second, French as *always* been an issue for fairness to anyone that’s been following the subject because of his choice of Steve Branchwater as the indy counsel…. a man and his wife with known alliances with Monegan… makes it far more difficult to be unbiased.

Sigh….no he has not always been an issue, and he was asked by both Republicans and Democrats in the legislature to select an investigator, (whose name is Branchflower, not Branchwater), because French is widely respected as a former prosecutor. Coghill made an objection AFTER he called the McCain camp and asked what he could do to help Palin…. He obviously got his answer.
AKM

8 09 2008
mvngfwd

I just heard on KUDO that Alaska has the third worst state health care system. Is that true? I mean with all that surplus and health care is not a priority?

8 09 2008
jimstaro

So one I consider an investigation waged by law on the behalf of the people. The other I consider a partisan, closed investigation.

What’s your point???

A Legislature, or Congress, is Required by the Laws to Investigate any misdeeds by Elected, i.e. Hired Reps.

An independant investigation goes deeper into the Laws possibly broken!!

I think You should take your own Advice!!!

8 09 2008
MataHarley

BTW, forgot to add, in addition to Branchwater as indy appointee, his “release” date.

The “new” release date is nothing more than a media trap. To portray Palin as “uncooperative” with the legislative investigation (the neutral venue) as opposed to cooperating with the legislative investigation (the biased legal witch hunt) instead.

And if you were the accused, which would you choose as your venue?

8 09 2008
jimstaro

Political Amazon:

Interesting way to put it, and I agree, but the consequences, even from just condi and bushy, are going to be bringing the Blowback, that’s already there, Mac and Palin will just Compound the problems beyond repair, if they aren’t already.

8 09 2008
Political Amazon

JimStaro, I 100% agree. I do believe that the GOP seems to be determined to use McCain/Palin to finish the destruction of our country they started with Bush Jr.

8 09 2008
From England

My friends….Please, I AM BEGGING you to read this…you’ll laugh so hard you’ll cry. BTW, no disrespect intended,

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article4703539.ece

Russel Brand, UK comedian with his take on America’s situation now – “But I know America to be a forward thinking country because otherwise why would you have let that retard and cowboy fella be president for eight years?

“We were very impressed. We thought it was nice of you to let him have a go, because, in England, he wouldn’t be trusted with a pair of scissors.”

8 09 2008
jimstaro

Russel Brand, he is good, have caught some of his stuff before.

Thanks

8 09 2008
Harley

Every single solitary second of this campaign not spent talking about the Republican Party’s record, and John McCain’s role in that record, is a victory for John McCain.

People who do not care for Palin like to say that she has not accomplished anything.One should remember that in the short period of ten days She has succeeded in distracting the entire country away from the horrific Bush record — and McCain’s complicity in it. My friends, that’s accomplishment we can believe in.

8 09 2008
Harley

Olbermann is on, bbl

8 09 2008
Mil

MataHarley, unlike you, Mudflats doesn’t censor who can post in the comments on his blog, nor does he eliminate what he does not like.

8 09 2008
Ky

MataHarley, I did not mean to attack you! I am sorry if it came off that way. We like to post links with our “facts”, so that they are supported. That’s all.

8 09 2008
Sarah in CA

Again, MataHarley, I ask: if Palin feels she’s done nothing wrong, why not let the investigation happen as soon as possible, so she can exonerate herself? (That’s how I’d feel if I were the accused and felt I was innocent.)

The way McCain’s camp has tried to stall everything (and it does seem that way to me), it appears as if there is something to hide.

Really, there’s plenty other things aside from Troopergate that would keep me from voting for this woman.

8 09 2008
jimstaro

As was said on the Radio program up there, and many times in politics in general, about Investigations, it isn’t really what was done, ‘It’s The Cover Up Or Attempt To Cover Up!’

8 09 2008
Raingods

Don’t let the door hit your bum on the way out.

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ MataHarley,
From what I’ve been reading, here and elsewhere, it sounds like it’d be pretty hard to find any investigator up in Alaska who’s aware of what’s going on and also not somehow connected to one party or another in a dispute. Your entire population is not much more than in my relatively insignificant valley here in California, and 40 % of them are in Anchorage or environs, where the big and powerful hang out. Am I missing something?

8 09 2008
jimstaro

MataHarley:

And she carries with her, her past opines.

From following your rage replies, as anyone else who sees them, one wonders if it’s not You that You Just Described, if you’re going to Play The Political Game ‘Learn’ How!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8 09 2008
From England

lol…Raingods, WOOSHHH you took the words right out of my mouth..I felt the draft as they left….

8 09 2008
Raingods

Maybe I’m a cranky old cuss, but if you have a differing opinion, you can state your case, link it to your source and discuss it. When someone comes in with defenses up and rudeness to spare, I see no need to respect that person.

You reap what you sow.

8 09 2008
Sarah in CA

What a goon. Avoidance works well for your ticket, too, Mata — it doesn’t surprise me you’ve adopted the same cut n’ run policy.

And now we’re going to dis’ New England? LOL

I think I’ll donate some money in this loser’s name.

8 09 2008
Mil

lol, that was a fun exit. Au Revoir, MataHarley!

8 09 2008
From England

we’re seriously talking about Mooseburgers?? Come on KUDO!!! let’s talk issues/gates that are likely to change the game….

8 09 2008
Cassie

Seems to me that the fierce independent Sarah looks like she couldn’t wait to call her big brothers in the McCain camp to beat up this investigator. I doubt that many Alaskans like the appearance that they need folks from the lower 48 to tell them how to do things. Gonna be tought going back home, Sarah.

8 09 2008
jimstaro

MudFlats and others, Grab the KO Video, once they post it at his site, on this interview he’s now doing with Barack!

Point Especially to the Fannie and Freddie Remarks as to Who has experiance and the Understanding of what’s going on, let alone as to Palin’s lack of!!!

8 09 2008
avahome

Here’s the deal for me on this whole issue with Troopergate. John McCain needs to lead by example. I offer you:

“my administration will set a new standard for transparency and accountability.”

Link: http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0908/090508ts1.htm

Begin now John…be the man!

8 09 2008
sockeye

Great Joe Biden youtube clip connecting Bush & McCain and demonstrating Joe’s deep knowledge in foreign affairs. If you get through this whole youtube video (and its kinda long), it has the best line in the end.

At the end Joe Biden thanks everyone for listening and says:

“I’d be happy to take questions.”

Isn’t that so great. Joe says, “I’d be happy to take questions” Kinda like: I’d be happy to engage with the public and the media. Let’s talk, let’s discuss, let’s share and educate each other about the most pressing problems that face our nation.

He is clear, concise, personable and effective in communicating the depth of his experience.

Never has America had the opportunity to elect such a highly qualified VP.

Imagine the amount of work the Obama | Biden administration could accomplish with such a competent VP.

I’m crushing on this man folks, let’s get him in the white house where he can do the most good.

Volunteer. Donate. Vote.

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

Dashing electrons. I emailed David Sarno of the LA Times regarding Mudflats at 4:46 and got a personal response time-stamped at 4:49. “I’ll be sure to check out Mudflats — recommendation appreciated.” And so the word spreads.

Re: MataHarley’s remark about AKM being a New England transplant. I realize that in some small towns it takes a generation or more to be accepted, but in my book 17 years is plenty long enough to get a good read on what’s going on in a place. To think otherwise seems a bit, dare I say, provincial and parochial?

8 09 2008
sockeye

@Palmdale, CA

You go Palmdale!

8 09 2008
All I Saw

Right after she answers to Alaskans why getting McCain (an anti-ANWR union basher) is more important than her duties as governor and a key turning point in our history, i.e. the natural gas pipeline. Every day that ticks by without movement on this project increases costs and complications.

8 09 2008
Nebraska Native

Just donated to Obama…. who’s next?🙂

8 09 2008
ds55

(Cartoon humor from politicalcartoons.com)
Laverne: If we defeat Obama… a WOMAN becomes Vice-President… and then
in four years… because of McCain’s age… SHE runs against Hillary.

Shirley: In a “women only” race for the Presidency?

Laverne: Exactly!

Shirley: That is totally diabolical!

Laverne: Thank you.

8 09 2008
John Henry

MataHarley (16:06:17) :
“The “new” release date is nothing more than a media trap. ”

Only if she’s guilty right? And since you dont think she is, there is no need to halt an investigation that Palin agreed to in the first place. If she agreed to it and its against the constitution then she is incompetent. Trying to move it to the Personnel board where she has the power to fire members, one of which she supported is ….let’s …..see …what am looking here…A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Conflict_of_Interest

Wouldn’t it be great if in an investigation where its alleged that an innocent man was fired for doing his job properly, Hollis French another innocent man is fired for doing his job properly?

8 09 2008
Sue

Sue (16:21:20) :

Oh, I just can’t watch anymore. Barack is just too nice. Olberman gave him several opportunities to say ,”They are lying,” but Barack just won’t do it. He seems afraid to use the words LIE and LYING. I just emailed him (BO) and told him to say them. If he doesn’t quit pussyfooting around and come right out with the plain truth like he ususally does, we are gonna lose this election. Palin and McCain are lying to the public, and nobody is pointing it out to the masses. aaaaaaaaggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

On another topic, I thought I would mention that I am a Bible-believing Christian who will vote for Obama.

8 09 2008
John Henry

Oops, thats conflict of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest

8 09 2008
Raingods

Sue,

Why that’s enough to make me believe in GOd!🙂

8 09 2008
Harley

I just need to apologize……when I first saw a response to MataHarley,
I initially thought someone was ridiculing me LOL

Rather than jump hastily in with a reply, I took a moment to scroll up
and see if there really was a MataHarley.

Guess she liked my name.

8 09 2008
Sue

Thanks, Raingods!

8 09 2008
Ky

Nebraska Native, I’m on board!

8 09 2008
Raingods

Well isn’t that typical, no original thought of their own? Sorry, I’ll put the claws back in😛

8 09 2008
Harley

Maddow is going to address the problem of calling LIES…..LIES

She is on next Sue

8 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

here is the new ad by Obama campaign “no maverick” that was mentioned above

it’s good.

8 09 2008
scaredinfairbanks

Someone in an earlier post mentioned voter exclusion. This is such an incredibly important issue. Read up on it here http://www.gregpalast.com/robert-kennedy-greg-palast-the-final-investigation/

And one way to do something to help besides donating to Obama, supporting Obama campaign by volunteering etc. is to donate to the Greg Palast and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. effort to investigate and publicize what is going on in the 2008 election–the way that votes are being stolen, voters excluded even before the election occurs. It is a non-partisan effort and not about saving either party but is all about saving our DEMOCRACY.

8 09 2008
Laurie

Whoa….never mind the trolls. KUDO has a caller on from Paris France…says he came via mudflats. Trolls…what you say now?

8 09 2008
piuma

Question for you Alaskans. Is there any evidence that Palin actually was a PTA Mom. I just read on a comment on another blog that became a city council member before her oldest would have been in Kindergarten. It only matters because there appears to be such a willingness on her part to make up her own history. How deep does that run?

8 09 2008
jimstaro

On another topic, I thought I would mention that I am a Bible-believing Christian who will vote for Obama.

Thanks for that, and please don’t preach, otherwise i won’t believe you, and I hope, like me and others, you show it by Trying to live the teachings as a Christian is supposed to do!

And I do believe you probably already understand that and do, but boy it’s tough.

8 09 2008
Sue

Thanks, Harley. I hope she will make it crystal clear.

8 09 2008
Sue

jimstaro–no preaching : )

Oh….Olberman is talking about lying now. He seems to understand the concept. : )

8 09 2008
Laurie

lol…keith O is ridiculing palin…says its the same speech over and over and over again. I love him…is he married?

8 09 2008
scaredinfairbanks

With regard to the issue raised about Mudflats and whether a person can be an Alaskan after only 17 years of residency. As you can all tell, we have pretty strict standards up here about who gets to call themselves an Alaskan🙂 You don’t have to have any character to speak of, or morals or ethics, but you do have to BE a character, and how long you have been here really does seem to count for or against you. Generally, what we call in Fairbanks the “whorehouse aristocracy” claims longevity by being multi-generational residents. That gets trumped by most Native Alaskans who claim at least 10,000 years. I have lived here 30+ years and am not sure yet whether I qualify as a card-carrying “true Alaskan”. But, for what it is worth, my 30+ years in Alaska do lead me to pretty much the same conclusions and thoughts on issues as those that Mudflats describes in this great blog.

LOL! Thanks scaredinfairbanks. Yes, the requirements are stringent indeed. And I appreciate that another cheechako (Alaskan for ‘new resident’) such as yourself, shares my conclusions. Also, regarding MataHarley, I figure the second anyone uses “New England” or “San Francisco” in an argument, the’ve proudly announced “I lost!” AKM

8 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!
8 09 2008
jimstaro

Thanks Sue ;c}

And remember everyone a Lie is this thing we used to call a s*i*n, which seems to have left the vocabulary of speach and religious beliefs.

8 09 2008
Laurie

lol..the friggen chef was reassigned to another position in the governors office..lmao

8 09 2008
jimstaro

is he married?

Not yet, but does live with a very intelligent younger lady, apparently they have for awhile.

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

KO just reported that McLiar says Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere. This is just too bizarre! If Sarah Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere, well, I just can’t think of an appropriate analogy. The fact that none of their pants are on fire is merely proof that they’re all wearing asbestos underwear!

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Wow, a lot happened over the past couple of hours…WOW…..

@scaredatfairbanks: this is really important. I moved in March 2007. One of the first things I did was go and change my address on my voter registration card.

This afternoon, I just happened to double-check on Obama’s site if my registration was valid. Wouldn’t you know that have my old address? AFTER 18 MONTHS, AND i HAVE THE PHYSICAL CARD. I called and got the matter settled, but it definitely proved to me that everyone should double-check. I don’t think these guys will stop at anything. thanks for the reminder.

8 09 2008
Sue

YAY!!! They used to word LIE and LIES!!!! (on Olberman)

8 09 2008
Laurie

Palm…KO is calling her out….not defending her

8 09 2008
Ky

Scaredinfairbanks, thank you so much for that link! I hope you don’t mind me posting it again.
http://www.gregpalast.com/robert-kennedy-greg-palast-the-final-investigation/

haha! Yes, different people have different views on what makes you a “true Alaskan”, don’t they?

8 09 2008
BobbyG

New “Bridge to Nowhere” Photoshop.

8 09 2008
MISTAHCOUGHDROP

Greetings from Paris Mr. Mudflats,

Just thought I’d share my campaign posters to you (from one American to another) : http://storefrontwindows.blogspot.com/

Keep on keeping on.

MISTAHCOUGHDROP

Thanks! Was that you on KUDO?

8 09 2008
Diva

So SP had her own sister lie in court about being abused by Wooten?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/3/152759/0956/916/584878

8 09 2008
Mainiac

I just saw the interview with Obama on Keith O’s show. I was disappointed. O is so damn nice and reasonable….when he REALLY needs to start kicking ass and speaking strongly about the truth of this election and what is at stake.
I am frustrated. Poll #s are down and O needs to get tough.
I love this blog and feel better knowing there are so many others out there who are working hard for change.
Thanks to all of you.

8 09 2008
Mil

My sis had trouble with getting her resistration moved too. First she moved it to her university town, and it ended up with one for her there and in our hometown. Then, she moved to another state… and they tried to call her up for jury duty… in our hometown. She had never moved back to our hometown after college. These are the sorts of things that are messing up people all the time in election years.

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Mudflats & others – I can’t thank you enough for keeping us all sane. Mudflats, if we don’t say it enough: THANK YOU.

My mom (who is in her 70’s) was feeling very down this evening as her neighbors are quite….hmmmm….fanatic about being a Republican. It was interesting because we know as close friends where they truly stand on some of these little pesky social issues since they have had to exercise them…we didn’t judge them then. Don’t judge them now, but DO BELIEVE THEY SHOULD GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS of telling people what to do in their bedroom, with their bodies. Gosh, I was lucky to have my Mom growing up! Anyway – I’ve linked her to your site to give her hope, humor and arm her with facts. So thank you for keeping a wonderful woman sane and for keeping us focused on the prize on 11/4/08.

VOLUNTEER. DONATE. VOTE!!!!!!!!!

8 09 2008
John Henry

BobbyG (16:48:01) :
New “Bridge to Nowhere” Photoshop.🙂 Good Stuff!

McCain-Palin – A POW on the Bridge To Nowhere. Follow Us!

8 09 2008
BobbyG

Mainiac (16:51:12):
I just saw the interview with Obama on Keith O’s show. I was disappointed. O is so damn nice and reasonable….when he REALLY needs to start kicking ass and speaking strongly about the truth of this election and what is at stake.
______

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

Yes.

He let O’Reilly punk him on the “Surge”

http://bgladd.blogspot.com/2008/09/surge.html

As we say on the hoops court, “Don’t bring that weak shit into my house!”

8 09 2008
ds55

Palin has something in common with Britney Spears. Baby car seats, anyone?
http://www.dailykos.com/hotlist/add/2008/9/8/84542/02720/displaystory//

8 09 2008
swineprincess

Harley (16:00:37) :

“One should remember that in the short period of ten days She has succeeded in distracting the entire country away from the horrific Bush record — and McCain’s complicity in it.”

YES!! you have hit the nail on the head my fellow Muddy! We have to STOP being distracted by all her weirdness and get back to the main issue — Their speeches have no substance, they are saying nothing, telling us nothing, promising nothing. they heard the word “change” and thought they’d be able to capitalize on it by just repeating it — sort of like telling us again and again that McCain is a POW (did anyone know that ????? maybe someone who’s been off planet for the last 8 years!) If they say “change” and don’t say what they mean and Dems say “change” and do say what they mean then everyone will think they all mean the same thing and happily vote for the War Hero and the the MILF because they said change so they must mean change. sheesh.

Here’s what you do — go to your local Obama or Dem HQ, sign up for volunteer work. Make phone calls, talk to your community, EVERYONE you know, make sure everyone knows that this election can be lost without people working hard. Money is good; time is better.

8 09 2008
plwalsh

Anyone care to comment on the polls? I’m am seeing and reading a lot today about how nobody knows exactly what they mean anymore. This is prompted by the Gallup poll being WAY out of line with everything else.

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ Laurie,
I realize KO’s calling McLiar out, but I’m still almost speechless at McLiar’s gall at crediting SP with stopping the bridge.

I still say the candidates, the campaign operatives, and the surrogates gotta be wearing asbestos briefs! It’s gone way beyond un-friggin-believeable.

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Palmdale, CA –

…it’s called Alzheimers…..

8 09 2008
Michelle

This is a major reason that Obama is not way ahead in the polls:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080908/ap_on_el_pr/college_republicans_obama

Racism, pure and simple

8 09 2008
plwalsh

McCain has been lying all over the place. He also has been saying that Palin sold the Alaska state jet on eBay at a profit. She put it on eBay (apparently three times) but it didn’t sell there and it was eventually sold at a loss through a broker. It was purchased by some sort of supporter.

8 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

hey mudflatians – what is up with the next Personnel Board meeting?

http://notes4.state.ak.us/pn/pubnotic.nsf/cc52605f7c156e7a8925672a0060a91b/6e6169a465e8f681892574ba007c2932?OpenDocument

The Personnel Board for the State of Alaska will hold a meeting September 11, 2008, starting at 12 p.m., in Room 880, Frontier Building, 3601 C Street, Anchorage, Alaska, on the following matters:

To contract for legal services for the board in a matter and for consideration of ethics matters.

Deliberations on these matters will occur in executive session, as authorized by AS 44.62.310(c)(3), because these matters are required to be confidential under AS 39.52.340.

is that a lawyer for the personnel board? i was trying to find the names of the board members to see if they were Markowitz appointees or Palin appointees….. but ran across this first in google search results.

8 09 2008
PJ

The CDC in Atlanta has issued a general alert for a new virus called THE PALIN SYNDROME. As they search frantically for a vaccine, they advise that those afflicted be quarantined until further notice. The virus seems to have mutated from the recent Republican Convention. The good news is that CDC researchers have pinpointed the source of the contamination in Alaska and have sent a crack team of physicians to investigate the matter further.

Symptoms include lying, embellishment, stretching the truth until it hurts, dry mouth, the inability to meet the press in an unscripted moment, bad breath, foaming at the mouth, pink eye, uncontrollable flatulence, acne, splitting migraines from wearing hair in an unflattering bun and the inability to feel shame or remorse while spewing the same crapola day after day while buying salsa in New Mexico photo-opps. Other symptoms can range from exploding heads, agitation, downright hysteria and a complete lack of common sense, such as being for something before you’re against it, and unprotected sex leading to teen pregnancy.

The CDC hastens to assure the public that it is working night and day to find a cure. Until then, it’s suggested that people lock their doors, drink plenty of orange juice and refrain from watching cable news.

8 09 2008
polderjongen

@MataHarley (BTW, is that an allusion to Mata Hari?)

The “new” release date is nothing more than a media trap.

Here in the Netherlands, when something like this happens and when there is an investigation: the accused usually wants to clear his or her name as soon as possible. Especially when he or she faces an election.

Why aren’t you glad with an earlier release date? Are you already convinced that Palin is – gasp – guilty?

8 09 2008
fixthebroken

plwalsh,

Don’t worry about the polls. I have been agonizing over them too, and in reality all that matters is the poll on Nov 4. The state polls are a far better indicator too. Also, maybe if Obama supporters see the polls down, they will come out in even greater droves to vote. Let Obama be the underdog.

8 09 2008
John Henry

In Obama’s defense, for a politician, unless you are ready to prosecute someone on obstruction of justice charges, its not a good idea to go around calling them a liar. Its going to turn alot of people off who are not comfortable with that type of aggression. I think its important to realize that in fighting these people that we do not become them. What’s going to happen is that people like KO are going to be marginalized as the radical left. So, it makes it easier for the right to say to undecideds that he’s biased no matter how much what he says is true.

Obama put out an ad today that says they are lying about their record. But, he probably will not say it in person. The other thing is its a trap. The republicans want to make this about Obama and Palin. Its one of the reasons they picked her. Obama knows this and will keep focusing on McCain. I think they believe that Palin is going to self-destruct; They don’t want to let her become a maryr at Obama’s expense. Its better that the pressor other forces take her out.

8 09 2008
plwalsh

I think it is also misleading to say Palin was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. So far as I can tell from what I have read, she was NEVER against it. She decided not to build it because not enough of the cost was covered by federal funding. The she recycled the funding into other projects.

So her “thanks but no thanks” line is a total lie. The truth was more like “thanks but we’re going to put this in another pocket until the feds cough up enough cash.”

8 09 2008
scaredinfairbanks

Here are the Personnel Board members and their dates of appointment http://www.gov.state.ak.us/boards/rosters/board077.html

8 09 2008
scaredinfairbanks

What the appointment dates would seem to mean is that all three members were appointed by a former governor but Debra English was reappointed by Palin in January 2008. But whether they were appointed by Palin or not, they do server at her pleasure, I believe. Which means she can unappoint them any time she wants. I think. Someone more knowledgeable should correct me if I am wrong on that.

8 09 2008
Regi

So is it true Palin almost tripled the special needs per pupil expense for 2011? Right when her own special needs child will start to qualify for services ? 78000.00 a year is a hell of a lot of money for ONE child. I know if our school district did they’d have to cut mega services for the rest of the student population, like teachers.

8 09 2008
plwalsh

fixthebroken:

I am not worried about the polls– just curious about what is going on with them. The sense I am getting is that none of the polling organizations have a handle on them this year— they can’t figure out how to get a sample that is actually going to predict real voting patterns. I’m wondering if this explains why they have been so eratic.

There are new state polls out today and Obama is down in some of them.

Obama, as usual, seems totally confident. The “reasonableness” is something we really need in politicians, of course. Also a lot of the things he has been dropping, e.g., about the surge, seem too obvious not to have been calculated. I really wonder if he knows things (e.g., inside campaign polls) that the campaign is not releasing to the public (well, of course he does but maybe it is significant).

I did notice that, on Meet the Press yesterday, Biden spoke about how they might win Montana this year. Obama has actually been ahead in the polls there (I don’t remember anyone else mentioning this), which is pretty amazing given how heavily the state voted for Bush. With southern states like Viriginia and North Carolina teetering as toss-ups, it means that there are no secure Republican parts of the country any more.

8 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

OMG—I just got polled! It was about 20 minutes worth of questions. Including the one I found the funniest: Did you get your 5 servings of fruit and vegetables yesterday!!! LOL

8 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

I love how mccain criticized palin’s earmarks in the past.

I know this is posted some place, but in case some of you guys have not seen it:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,5932587.story?track=rss

8 09 2008
swineprincess

Earlier on KUDO Les Gara said that there were over 900 people on the waiting list for special services/special needs in AK, for which 40 million would be needed to provide services. He said that the Gov of a state with a 5 billion dollar surplus should be able to dig up 40 million to provide services to people with special needs. There is an issue here, just not the one that was originally presented.

8 09 2008
Bystander

OMG—I just got polled! It was about 20 minutes worth of questions. Including the one I found the funniest: Did you get your 5 servings of fruit and vegetables yesterday!!! LOL

Well, did you?

8 09 2008
Merle

“plwalsh – Anyone care to comment on the polls?”

In regard to the polls, we should remind ourselves that the customary ‘exit polls’ simply disappeared into thin air on the night of the 2004 election, blamed by the media heads on a ‘computer malfunction’. The last presidential exit poll, 2000, is thus eight years old, and that one is little dodgy at best, and so we’re in a situation where the category of ‘likely voters’ is based on voter trends and analysis from a previous decade/century/millinium, so to speak. We should all keep this in mind when we hear the media heads speaking about polls of ‘likely voters’ and recognize that these polls do not reflect current voting trends very well at all.

8 09 2008
Sue

Regi–No, she CUT the spec. ed. budget by 62%. Then at the RNC, she said she would be an advocate for parents of children with special needs. Another LIE.

8 09 2008
AnneinWA

@Mainiac (16:51:12):
I just saw the interview with Obama on Keith O’s show. I was disappointed. O is so damn nice and reasonable….when he REALLY needs to start kicking ass and speaking strongly about the truth of this election and what is at stake.

Oh…as voters, we are so hard to please! First, we wanted someone who is a genuinely decent person, who told us, from the beginning he wouldn’t conduct the nasty politics of the past. Then we (notice I say WE because I am all riled up and want to call “our opponents” really ugly names! actually, I am doing just that) want Obama to get down in the mud and wrestle the pitbull!🙂

Seriously, I do agree that Obama needs to speak more strongly and succinctly about the huge issues we face as a nation. Keith O. seems to think Barack feels confident about the upcoming debates – I hope he’s right.

A headline for tomorrow: NYT TUESDAY: FAR FROM CERTAIN OBAMA WILL MEET AMBITIOUS FUNDRAISING TARGET…I think I need to make another donation and a few more phone calls!

8 09 2008
fawnskin

well, i haven’t heard this subject talked about:

Who’s running the state now?

Published on Saturday, September 6, 2008 7:36 PM AKDT

The lieutenant governor is running for Congress. The governor is running for VP. So who is running Alaska?

Neither have much experience and they haven’t stayed around to learn from the term they were elected to.

Both were elected by the people to do those jobs and they have already broken their word and jumped ship, abandoning our state it seems for their personal political and financial gain.

Integrity, I think NOT. Not (from) politicians, that’s for sure. Talk about losing the public trust, these two have excelled at that.

Amazing and frightening.

Linda Anderson

link

8 09 2008
Sue

Praise the Lord that Olberman and Maddow are getting the truth out. I just pray that people other than Obama supporters will watch them!

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8 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

@ Bystander–that’s a big NO. But, do know, that I did have many tonics to soothe this poor old noggin of mine. LOL

8 09 2008
fawnskin

another instance where i can’t post a link here.
it gets very frustrating….but the link is from the frontiersman.

has this already been discussed?

8 09 2008
TH-WV

Glenn Beck makes me sick. Why did I turn this crap on?

8 09 2008
Merle

“fawnskin – The lieutenant governor is running for Congress. The governor is running for VP. So who is running Alaska?”

Same folks that were running it before. Big Oil.

8 09 2008
swineprincess

Sue, go to http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

there is info in there about her INCREASING funds

“According to an April 2008 article in Education Week, Palin signed legislation in March 2008 that would increase public school funding considerably, including special needs funding. It would increase spending on what Alaska calls “intensive needs” students (students with high-cost special requirements) from $26,900 per student in 2008 to $73,840 per student in 2011. That almost triples the per-student spending in three fiscal years. Palin’s original proposal, according to the Anchorage Daily News, would have increased funds slightly more, giving intensive needs students a $77,740 allotment by 2011.

Education Week: A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development.

Unlike many other states, Alaska has relatively flush budget coffers, thanks to a rise in oil and gas revenues. Funding for schools will remain fairly level next year, however. Overall per-pupil funding across the state will rise by $100, to $5,480, in fiscal 2009. …”

so yes she did increase the funds available for people with special needs just before giving birth to a special needs child as Regi suggests

8 09 2008
Regi

Sue (17:31:30) :

Regi–No, she CUT the spec. ed. budget by 62%. Then at the RNC, she said she would be an advocate for parents of children with special needs. Another LIE.

That’s being disputed on factcheck.org among other sites for days now. I think it started with the National. Either way I’m a social liberal, fiscal conservative and neither sounds great to me. She didn’t cut special needs according to them but didn’t offer very much more for the next 3 years or so. But she did hike up the spending per pupil dramatically, like I said just when her son qualifies for services. She seems to have this agenda to fit the world to her narrow vision/reality. I do have to say I’ve been less than thrilled with Factcheck.org since Cheney recommended it back in 2004. But that’s no ttheir fault. They also cover the book ban, the call is a smear, but bullshit, she wanted to know she could control the content of that library. The librarian won thank heavens.

8 09 2008
TH-WV

When I say ‘this’ crap I’m referring to Glen Beck!

8 09 2008
AnneinWA

Rachel is comparing Palin’s personality and governing style to George W. They said there was an article in the NYT about that subject this morning – anyone see it?

8 09 2008
Olive

Laurie,

Keith O isn’t married and I’m sure he would be interested in you, that is, if you’re under 25.

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

per the KO interview. I think folks want to see his mettle. With all the McCain/Cheney fingerpointing and saber-rattling to Putin, folks just want to see a little passion in there.

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ fawnskin
Try just copying the URL from the source site and pasting it into your coment. You’ll need one browser window open for the source and one for Mudflats. No need to type it in. In fact, if you know the URL (say like www dot whitehouse dot gov), the blog software will add the right code to make it clickable. At least it does for me. I’m still running W2K pro and IE ver. 6.0. I’d love to get a new computer, but right now, all my extra cash is going to Obama.

8 09 2008
gentlevue

I am a North Carolinian very closely following Troopergate and appreciate your website. My concern is that it seems to parallel very closely the Alberto Gonzales abuse of power in the firing of Attorney Generals who did not follow White House ordered directives that they thought were unethical. Since Gonzales ultimately had to resign for his role in this abuse of power, is there any local parallel being drawn? I called 1080Kudo and the intake person said that to his knowledge, this issue had not yet been raised. The whole White House defense of Attorney General firings was that they served at the pleasure of the President. But in the end, the firing policies were considered unethical because they did not conform to performance standards. It seems to be that Palin’s firing is very similar. There was not a performance basis for the firing but simply an state employee’s resistance to doing Palin’s bidding because it was unethical.

8 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

anybody in northern PA?
i just heard about an Obama benefit with the surviving members of the Dead

8 09 2008
Ana Gama

Fired up in Michigan today!

8 09 2008
Harley

leave my KP alone……..he’s mine! LOL

The only man I would leave my hubby for !

( not really )

8 09 2008
ds55

To fawnskin:
Frontiersman article “Who’s running the state now?”
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/06/opinion/letters/doc48c34a9191392507512017.txt

8 09 2008
Regi

Overall per-pupil funding across the state will rise by $100, to $5,480, in fiscal 2009. …”

so yes she did increase the funds available for people with special needs just before giving birth to a special needs child as Regi suggests

So the average student gets 5K but a special needs child gets 78K ?

8 09 2008
Harley

dammit lets try this again

Leave my KO alone!

8 09 2008
otis

there is a grass roots anti-Palin “revolution” happening here: womensaynopalin@gmail.com
If you email this address with a short, succinct message about why you, as a woman living in this country, do not support this candidate as second-in-command for our nation (guys – email your girl friends, sisters, mothers…) your voice will be heard here…

they have a great blog, too.

http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com

8 09 2008
Laughing No Longer...

that sounded funny, sorry

8 09 2008
otis

i should say Guys, forward to your girlfriends, sisters, mothers, etc….

8 09 2008
strangelet

It looks like MataHarley is gone, or at least napping, but I thought I’d mention a couple of bits of info. It turns out that she has written a rather extensive “debunking” of Troopergate, which is getting quite a bit of linkage over on the right side of the intertubes, which means we may be seeing more of it.

She seems to think that the fact that the Palins complained about Trooper Wooten back in 2005 somehow neutralizes the possibility that they might have complained about him in 2008. In fact, she asks the question (I paraphrase) “If Palin wanted to get Wooten fired, why didn’t she do that back in 2005, before she was Governor?” Um, I’d think one answer to that would be “She wasn’t Governor in 2005, so she couldn’t get him fired”, but perhaps I’m missing some subtlety.

She states that Todd Palin was “ordered” to contact Monegan about Wooten by Special Agent Bob Cockrell, who is apparently the Alaska Permanent Governor’s Security Guy. There is a quote from Cockrell, and this seems to be true, as a standard protocol when the Gov/family has a security concern. What is missing, however, is any timeframe. I would suppose that this sort of thing would normally happen pretty much right after swearing in — i.e., Dec 2006. It doesn’t seem to be to relevant to further contacts in, say, 2008.
Do any Alaskans have any feeling for the timing of this?

Gov Palin has stated that neither she nor her family knew that Wooten had already been investigated and disciplined until after Monegan was dismissed. Another question for Alaskans: if you file a citizen complaint against a trooper, do they keep the status and result of the investigation a secret? If so, you may want to consider an upgrade to the relevant law. Of course there’s also the “Bailey knew the contents of Wooten’s personnel file because Wooten’s ex-wife maybe heard about it from her attorney and told Todd who told Bailey”. But somehow they missed the part about the investigation and suspension?

MataH stated on this blog that the members of the State Personnel Board were, in fact, appointed by Murkowski, and that they are, therefore, no friends of Palin’s. This is true but incomplete: all three members were originally appointed by Frank, but one of them was reappointed this January by Palin (so that’s one friend, I guess).

She claims, elesewhere, that Monegan has made the assertion that he only ever had four face-to-face meetings with Palin. It appears to be easily shown that they had many more than that — which I would expect. My question, Alaskans, is: did Monegan really say that? I cannot find a citation, but that doesn’t mean it’s not there. Mata doesn’t provide a source, but perhaps you can. That would be kind of a weird discrepancy.

She is also shocked, shocked that Branchflower’s wife once worked for Monegan. I myself would prefer that investigators be as squeaky-clean as possible. Does anyone know what were the circumstances of this former employment relationship?

Aggh. I must go pretend to have a life.

Cheers.

8 09 2008
DeMo

“Mainiac (16:51:12) :

I just saw the interview with Obama on Keith O’s show. I was disappointed. O is so damn nice and reasonable….when he REALLY needs to start kicking ass and speaking strongly about the truth of this election and what is at stake.
I am frustrated. Poll #s are down and O needs to get tough.”

Mainiac, I initially felt the way you did. And then I realized that this is precisely the way Obama handled himself during the primaries. He doesn’t lose his cool, nor should he. I’ll leave that to McCain.

Obama is not going to show his rage, and I wouldn’t want him to. The last thing I want to hear is people accusing him of being an angry black man.

The ads are starting to run. They are calling out McCain/Palin on the lies. As someone above was kind enough to post, Newsweek shows the latest Obama ad on their site.

There isn’t anything on the Internet that the Obama campaign isn’t up on. They’ll address it. I don’t believe they’ll succumb to Swiftboating.

It is up to us to do our community organzing, if you will. Get angry. Get the info out, but don’t doubt the Obama campaign. They’re quite sophisticated. Hey, they beat out Hillary’s campaing and nobody expected they could be beat, especially by the young man with the funny name.

I’m not saying all is fine. It’s not. But Obama needs to remain presidential.

8 09 2008
halcrow

Just picked this up on the net…true or no?

http://opedna.com/2008/09/08/wasilla-police-billed-sexual-assault-victims-for-rape-kits/

Maybe someone can definitely verify this. If true, Palin is even more vile and detestable than I thought her to be.

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt

Knowles signs sexual assault bill

Published on Monday, May 22, 2000 9:00 PM AKDT

JO C. GOODE / The Frontiersman / May 23, 2000

ANCHORAGE – Gov. Tony Knowles recently signed legislation protecting victims of sexual assault from being billed for tests to collect evidence of the crime, but one local police chief said the new law will further burden taxpayers.

The governor signed House Bill 270, sponsored by Rep. Eric Croft, D-Anchorage, outside the Sexual Assault Response Team (SART) exam room at Alaska Regional Hospital. In attendance at the signing were members of victims advocate groups, law enforcement agencies and legislators.

The new law makes it illegal for any law enforcement The new law makes it illegal for any law enforcement agency to bill victims or victims insurance companies for the costs of examinations that take place to collect evidence of a sexual assault or determine if a sexual assault did occur.

We would never bill the victim of a burglary for fingerprinting and photographing the crime scene, or for the cost of gathering other evidence, Knowles said. Nor should we bill rape victims just because the crime scene happens to be their bodies.

While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon does not agree with the new legislation, saying the law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.

In the past weve charged the cost of exams to the victims insurance company when possible. I just dont want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer, Fannon said.

According to Fannon, the new law will cost the Wasilla Police Department approximately $5,000 to $14,000 a year to collect evidence for sexual assault cases.

Ultimately it is the criminal who should bear the burden of the added costs, Fannon said.

The forensic exam is just one part of the equation. Id like to see the courts make these people pay restitution for these things, Fannon said.

Fannon said he intends to include the cost of exams required to collect evidence in a restitution request as a part of a criminals sentencing.

Palmer police chief Laren Zager said that to his knowledge, no sexual assault victim has ever been billed by the city of Palmer for an exam to collect evidence of a crime. Zager, who has been police chief since January, said he would never expect a victim to be burdened with the cost of a police investigation.

Im prepared to pay every dime in an investigation. As long as I am chief, I would never bill a victim, Zager said.

The new bill would also make law enforcement agencies that are investigating a sexual assault responsible for the costs of testing victims for sexually transmitted diseases and emergency contraception.

8 09 2008
plwalsh

Merle:

Yes, that is more or less my conclusion on the polls, i.e., they are not worth a whole lot these days.

One would have to suggest that that means the polls are undercounting Obama’s strength, perhaps fairly drastically, since many of his supporters are young (with out a landline), recently registered voters of color, and other off-the-radar types. One would also have to guess that the polls overcount people who sit at home a lot with landlines and who actually answer them.

Wonder what polling methods the Obama campaign is using.

8 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

http://WWW.FACTCHECK.ORG

Listen, if Factcheck.org has gotten anything wrong (like cutting the special needs budget) someone needs to get them hard proof.

A LOT of people rely on that site, including myself!!!

I was surprised to see that everything was debunked and even MORE shocked to see that although they mentioned the book banning being untrue, they failed to mention the letter she wrote inquiring about if they would be okay (in theory) banning books. THAT ALONE says something. I was really disappointed that they didn’t mention that and it made me wonder for the first time ever if maybe it wasn’t such a non-partisan site! There was also something about the tone that weirded me out.

HELP CORRECT FACTCHECK.ORG IF IT IS WRONG!!

8 09 2008
swineprincess

Regi, it would seem so… I just copied from FactCheck… (displaying a shameface) without checking facts… sorry. But it appears that is the case, although it seems to run contra to what Les Gara just said not two hours ago on KUDO.

8 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

Keep up the good work mudflaters!!! This is such a great place to come when feeling overwhelmed with all the differing stories out there…I am now off to watch a little football to relax.

8 09 2008
plwalsh

I think the stories about the book banning came out of the Frontiersman. The references sould be in the Dem vetting document from 2006.

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

DeMo – WOW! Great point. you are spot on – the last thing we need for that GA Republican Representative to now add “angry” to his “uppity” description of Senator Obama. 🙂

I find it sad that at this point in time in history that we continue to differentiate between color, gender and religion. I think all of us know in our heart of hears that if one of Senator Obama’s daughters was 17 and had to announce that she was pregnant out of wedlock, the response would not have been near as supportive. I’m from the South, so I can tell you, it would have been: “…ooooohhhhh, seeeee, there they go…..” It’s a different standard. Obama has had to climb a much higher mountain than Governor Palin. Not to take away from her accomplishments.

Sarah Palin is a woman, and I respect her decisions for HER life. It certainly doesn’t mean I will vote for her. I’m voting for competence, experience, and for a team that can lead us out of this mess that Mr. Bush has created over the past 8 years. Being a man, woman, black, white is of no consequence to me.

For you Sarah fans – I am an independent, and was rooting for Huckabee, so I don’t have Party ties. I am disappointed in the arrogance, exclusiveness and hateful tone that came out of the Republican Convention. The two speakers who I really enjoyed were Huckabee (of course!) and Meg Whitman. We just need a change. Now.

8 09 2008
Mil
8 09 2008
Olive

Is Charlie Fannon the police chief Palin hired to replace Irl Stambaugh? Recall, Stambaugh is the police chief Palin fired because he didn’t “support” her during her mayoral campaign.

8 09 2008
Ana Gama

New Obama campaign ad “No Maverick”

8 09 2008
swineprincess

Amused and Bewildered (17:56:23) :

I am with you — Factcheck seemed a bit snippy in their debunking article… especially about the book list… We have gone over that on several threads here — the book list making the circuit is not The Book List because there is no
The Book List… she did in fact only ask how to ban a book, and then write a letter firing the librarian, and then backed off of the firing.

Factcheck may well be a bit biased… too bad really — guess we’ll have to check our facts the old fashioned way …

8 09 2008
AlwaysAmazed1

@DeMo: “Obama is not going to show his rage, and I wouldn’t want him to. The last thing I want to hear is people accusing him of being an angry black man.”

I do so agree. I am AA, 52 yoa, and an attorney and I can tell you the last thing our candidate should do is become the angry black man. I must say that it is a testament to all non-AA mudflats’ers(?) who think our country would be accepting of our candidate if he did hit back hard. Based upon my experience (and I have plenty working as an attorney in corporate america), I can tell you unequivocally that it would not workfor him. It’s the fear and intimidation factor. It is used against you in most cases…I know this firsthand.

So I am going to trust the campaign strategy (looking forward to the debates), keep donating, sending voter registration emails and will help get out the vote (early voting, especially)!

btw, I just love this site!

8 09 2008
Regi

Regi, it would seem so… I just copied from FactCheck… (displaying a shameface) without checking facts… sorry. But it appears that is the case, although it seems to run contra to what Les Gara just said not two hours ago on KUDO.

Don’t you dare be shamefaced ! This woman is hiding behind the Republican apron strings, the heck with not calling out anything you want ! And no way am I changing my blog’s book banning post either, she wanted to censor that library. That alone should be enough to have her out of public office completely.

8 09 2008
HamletsMill

Laurie (16:36:12) :

lol…keith O is ridiculing palin…says its the same speech over and over and over again. I love him…is he married?
————————-
No. He isn’t.

8 09 2008
HamletsMill

Regi (18:10:05) :

I hope you saw my apology to you four threads back. I took you post wrong back on that thread and went hyper. I am sorry.

8 09 2008
AlwaysAmazed1

Re my post at 18:09:13: I forgot to say that I am a female. That might make a difference to some. At any rate, my experience (there’s that word again) has unfortunately been that being quietly forceful works better when you look like me (and sometimes that gets you kicked out of the club, too!). FWIW…

8 09 2008
swineprincess

AlwaysAmazed1 (18:09:13)

Thanks for the candid insight. It is sometimes very difficult to remember that as much as I’d like for things to be different, they aren’t the way I’d like them to be. As JimStaros blog is named “Imagine…”

8 09 2008
tammy

Factcheck.org left the answer on whether or not Palin increased or decreased the special ed budget vague. It stated she increased the funding for intensive needs funding. In basic terms intensive needs children is what society considers very low functioning. These are basically children that the school district had given up on long ago. By the time they hit sixth grade, they are teaching them life skills. These children could be in a wheelchair, need oxygen, need a nurse’s aide constantly, and have numerous other developmental disabilities. There is really no way to compare it. You get into data privacy concerns. You would have to compare a low functioning student to a student that was in a developmental cognitive delay program in special education to be able to determine how much the funding increased or decreased.

8 09 2008
Diva

“…too bad really — guess we’ll have to check our facts the old fashioned way …”

What is the “old-fashioned way? With…..uh….books?😉

I remember a conversation I had with my young teen-age kids not too long ago. I told them how lucky they were to grow up in the “computer age”. The old “When I was your age, I had to go to the library to do research papers”-kinda speech. My daughter said, “Sure, because that’s where the computer were back then.”

“Uh, no, dear. There were no computers then.”

THE DARK AGES is how that time period has come to be known around here.

8 09 2008
Mil
8 09 2008
AlwaysAmazed1

Try to catch Rachel Maddow’s new show tonight (the debut). She goes a couple of rounds with Pat Buchanan, who tried to talk over Rachel. Rachel gave as good as she got. Funny how it’s Rachel who now has her own show. Sometimes things do work out, eh?

8 09 2008
NY Dem

Am I correct on these points:

1 – Pollsters do not call cell phones

2 – The 18 – 25 age group is strongly in favor of Obama

3 – The 18 – 25 age group primarily use cell phones so are not included in any national polling

If all 3 are true, then you can take all the present polling numbers and throw them out the window, because they are ignoring this very important segment of the population – the 18 – 25 year-old voter who doesn’t have a land line.

If they don’t call cell phones for the polls — why not ?!?!?

8 09 2008
Cassie

Otis– Thanks, I just emailed them.

8 09 2008
Harley

too funny Diva

8 09 2008
Mil

McCain’s plan:

http://www.johnmccain.com/content/?guid=24dc9c37-e739-4aa3-8a88-ebae650a2f11

rofl, McCain compared to Obama is like crumbs compared to a bakery.

Obama’s plan:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/DisabilityPlanFactSheet.pdf

8 09 2008
Regi

HamletsMill (18:12:42) :

Regi (18:10:05) :

I hope you saw my apology to you four threads back. I took you post wrong back on that thread and went hyper. I am sorry.

Really??? FUN ! I missed the hyper post too, I miss all the good stuff :sigh:

8 09 2008
Ana Gama

NY Dem,

Yes you are correct on all three points regarding polling, cell phones and polling first time voters. Cell phones are not called.

8 09 2008
thelogicalsmoker

I would love for anyone to speak out on Pastor McGraw on this post

http://andthisismyamerica.com/2008/09/08/lets-see-how-this-pastor-issue-plays-out/

Obama/Biden ’08

8 09 2008
Harley

Yes NY all 3 are true…and its what is going to push Obama over the 270 mark come election day and shock the shit outta the right

8 09 2008
NY Dem

Thanks for the quick replies regarding cell phones. Wonder when that will change ? Land lines will be going the way of record players pretty soon.

This huge voter segment is being ignored, and you are right – it IS what will push Obama WAY over the 270 mark on Election Day.

I’m predicting he’ll even approach 300, if not more.

8 09 2008
Ana Gama

Pollsters call people who voted in the last couple of election cycles. New voters are not called because they are not on the voting rolls yet.

I’m not sure why they don’t call cell phones, but it’s probably due to the large amount of turn over in cell phone numbers every year. Landline phone numbers are far more stable, so fewer calls would need to be made to get a good sample.

8 09 2008
swineprincess

Mil

lets see …

McCain 2 paragraphs

Obama 9 pages

hmmmmm….

8 09 2008
Ana Gama

NY Dem,

The one thing to know about voters 18-30 is that they were notorious in past years for not showing up for the vote. This year may be different, because they are engage in the process like never before.

The other thing that favors Obama is that nationwide, there are about 4 million newly registered Dems.

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Mil – this is SO cool! THX!!!!

8 09 2008
Mil

Yup swineprincess, exactly my point lol. I think we can see who is more prepared lol.

8 09 2008
Mil

No prob Proud2BUSA. 🙂

I like to look around on http://www.republicansforobama.org/ a lot. They have fantastic links a lot of the time.

Happy hunting! 😄

8 09 2008
portland oregon native

Watch Keith Olbermann tonight on MSNBC. He tells the truth.
His interview with Obama is excellent. Obama says that his supporters should ask the question, “Do you suppport the failed policies of George W Bush?”
“If you support GWB, vote for McCain; if not vote for me.”
Don’t make this election about culture wars.
Bring the debate back to policy issues.

8 09 2008
Arkangel_3

Well, KO did a decent job of interviewing Obama. He did ask some questions that Obama could have bit at, but chose the high road. That’s fine, but Joe Biden we already know is an angry and intelligent white man…HE’s the guy that needs to go out there and march point for the rest of the troops.

Rachel’s premiere show was excellent, and she sure as hell didn’t pull any punches. Her interviews were insightful and she (most importantly) let the interviewee talk. Her tete a tete with Pat Buchanan was (as always the case when these two go head to head) was intelligent, and it’s probably the most worked up I’ve see her…but that’s a good thing.

So far, KO and RM have pretty much addressed everything that’s been floating on the web (that can be proven and/or is public record) and got (I think) almost all our concerns and questions out into the MSM where (hopefully) it will get further examination. Obama looks like the Cheshire Cat (I mean that in the best sense) because it’s almost like he knows something we don’t. Better polling? More confidence in his message? Or could it be a new attack strategy that the Obama Campaign has planned, one which we got a glimpse of today? Or is there something lurking in the shadows that they are waiting to spring on everyone once it’s a concrete item?

I think it’s too early to start panicking about the Polls. This is a post-Convention bounce. it’s the DEBATES where the true poll numbers will be driven. Remember, Reagan got elected because of his message and the way in which he carried it. McCain has NO message, NO plan, and NO hope for America. Obama HAS a message, HAS a plan, and offers and has HOPE in the American people. I’m as idealistic as the next guy, but is you have a powerful message and the way to carry it to the American People, than you can succeed. Reagan is proof of that.

One final note: McCain needs a Colonel Jessup moment (“You can’t handle the truth!!) to happen so that the American People can see his true temperament disqualifies him from being President. This could come in the form of a question from the media or Obama himself at a debate. Remember, “temperament” was used a lot in the Dem speeches toward the end of the convention, even by Obama himself. I believe this is their strategy, and all it takes is one moment to change the entire game…and that moment will eventually come from Senator McCain.

8 09 2008
NY Dem

Just read this at 538.com – a national polling site:

DON’T PANIC – 10 REASONS WHY OBAMA SUPPORTERS SHOULD CHILL

Reason # 9. Invisible Voters Don’t Get Polled

Continuing again on the “iceberg” theme, remember that polls are based on statistical models that project what will happen in this election from what has happened in prior years. By their very nature, then, they tend to lag behind and be unresponsive to new trends.

Consider some of the areas where Obama is running huge leads over McCain: young people, Internet users, urban professionals who use cell phones, new immigrants, and all those new voters I mentioned just above. These are all historically under-represented in polls.

See all 10 here: http://aabw.blogspot.com/2008/09/dont-panic.html

8 09 2008
Joshua H. Bolin

Hello All.

If you would, could you sign a petition at http://www.PalinPetition.com and ask some of your friends to join us?

We only have a short time to get Gov. Palin on the Oprah Show by countering the media bias.

As always, let me know if I can do anything for you!

Warmest Regards I Remain,

Joshua H. Bolin
http://www.PalinPetition.com

8 09 2008
Sue

Just catching up here….took a break. Thanks you for all the new info. regarding spec. ed. funding. I will have to recheck my links to see where I got the other info. And than you, John Henry, for the info. about lying. When I get emotional, I sometimes cannot see the forest for the trees. : ) Nite all!

8 09 2008
Scotsgirl

Otis – Thanks for the link (womensaynopalin) I e mailed too!

8 09 2008
Ana Gama

NY Dem,

Yup! Obama supporters should chill, but not lose their intensity or give ground in any way. We can take nothing for granted.

8 09 2008
tammy

I have some questions on Palins earlier church, the Pentecostal Church. Is this the same church that believes if you don’t go to that church you are going to Hell? Or is that some other church that believes that? Do they still believe in no tv and no radio? Do they still have the women wear skirts or dresses all the time? Do you have to give so much of your income to the church each year? Do you have to get permission from the church before you get a divorce?

Now this next question is tricky. I grew up in a small town. Was actually bigger than her small town. But in this small town the pentecostal church there made you sign over the deed to your property and the title to your vehicles to the church. Is that common in the pentecostal church or was this one of those rare , way out there type church that did this?

8 09 2008
timc

When do we get $’s for Obama in August? Think they are required by 9/22. He may be relaxed about the polling b/c they have raised an ungodly amount of money from millions of more voters.

I agree with comments above that they (the campaign) have additional information on polling numbers. They were on the ground in AK early and might have better info than the bloggers.

If they have the dollars might be plans for massive tv campaign starting in Oct. along the lines of ‘Signs of Hope and Change’ video.

Could also be some big endorsements in the wings. Colin Powell, Chuck Hagel, Michael Bloomberg, etc.

8 09 2008
Miemaw from Texas

NYDEM:

On the polling on cell phones, the answer is “no” they don’t call cell phones.

Reason is the numbers aren’t listed anywhere. Except maybe on business cards.

Verizon doesn’t have a “cell phone yellow pages — or white pages.”
Nor does T-Mobile – or Cricket or some of the other wireless providers.

If people know my cell number, it’s because I’ve given it to them, for a specific reason.

Add to that, a lot of low income people buy the “disposable” cell phones, for little money, prepaid minutes, and when the use up the minutes, they start over again with another phone.

That’s my take on it anyway. If you have a landline, you may, or may not be polled. I’ve had a phone in my home for 30+ years. I’ve had one company call me on a political poll — about 12 years ago.

My theory on polling is this. To get the results you want in a poll, pick the zip codes, where the demographics are mostly favorable to your position.

Republicans would probably poll in zip codes where the demographics showed affluence. Conventional wisdom would dictate most people would agree with their agenda. Democrats might poll in demographics with high Latino or African-American populations. They would find more people favorable to their positions on issues.

I’m not being cynical. But, that’s how I think polling is done.

That’s why I don’t put too much faith in polls. The only one that counts is the one on election day.

8 09 2008
Merle

” NY Dem – If they don’t call cell phones for the polls — why not ?!?!?”

Land lines are just that – they are associated with discrete locations with certain inherent demographic attributes. Cell phones aren’t attached to any partcular locale and the required data that’s associated with location – real data about real people in real places, the very stuff that determines how and where campiagn money is spent – is much more diffucult and costly to verify to the level of accuracy that would make the actual poll meaningful and worthwhile.

8 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/06/politics/main4422385.shtml

this story on cbsnew website has an advertisement banner that says it is sponsored by exxon mobil.

i thought it was funny in a really not funny sort of way.

8 09 2008
Cassie

thelogicalsmoker (18:25:18) It was wrong, in my opinion, to circulate the false Muslim email and to bring Rev. Wright into things. Although I cannot agree with extremes in religion,( read intolerance) I exercise my non-agreement through my choice of how I practice my faith.

While it would surely alarm me to know that someone who believes in an extreme approach to God, one that allows no other other approach as valid

8 09 2008
Sue

http://momocrats.typepad.com/momocrats/2008/09/sarah-palin-sla.html Evidently, it depends on how you interpret cuts and increases. As far as I can tell, Palin slashed the funding by 62% but will triple the slashed amount in 2011. It is confusing. I have to admit that, after hearing her lie so many time, that I assume that she lies ALL the time. BUT–I won’t use this lie against her until I can be sure it is true. Budgets and numbers take awhile to analyze. Now I AM going to stop…I AM going to stop…I AM going to stop…

8 09 2008
Cassie

thelogicalsmoker (18:25:18)

oops!

I would exercise my right to vote accordingly.

Two wrongs never make a right, I guess, in my mind.

8 09 2008
AnneinWA

AlwaysAmazed1 (18:09:13) after stating her agreement that Obama resist anger:

“So I am going to trust the campaign strategy (looking forward to the debates), keep donating, sending voter registration emails and will help get out the vote (early voting, especially)!”

YES! Let’s all stay “Busy for Obama”.

Thanks so much for your insight and perspective. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Obama’s character, temperament and thoughtfulness, along with his respect for and ability to listen to others whose opinions differ from his, are what are so appealing to me. Those qualities will serve him well as our next great president!

btw, I just love this site too!

8 09 2008
tammy

Add to that, a lot of low income people buy the “disposable” cell phones, for little money, prepaid minutes, and when the use up the minutes, they start over again with another phone.

________________________

Some college students use the prepaid phones. And you can get cards now that add minutes to those phones. Most of those prepaid phones start at $60.00. They might include a card that is worth anywhere from $15.00 to $25.00 in minutes.

8 09 2008
Mollys Mum

Has anyone seen Part Two of the Bill O’Reilly show? It’s on You Tube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLfYQqxp884 . I thought Obama handled himself beautifully. He never loses his cool, he’s firm and consistent in his convictions and he articulates them well, even when he is being constantly interrupted. He managed what could have descended into a shouting match with humor and good nature and to my mind was able to convey his message pretty clearly in a not-altogether-sympathetic environment. Both parts I have watched ended with Billo shaking his hand and acknowledging their agreement on a certain level. Remember, Billo’s audience are exactly the people that need to hear more of the Obama Platform, and if you shout, people will hear only the shouting, not the words.

I also thought Rachel Maddow was brilliant, and equally adept at maintaining her sense of humor and goodwill while at the same time being direct and forthright in her statements and questions. (I loved the way she signed off with Pat Buchanan–the old fellow was grinning and putty in her hands.) One of her dearlier interviewees made the point of saying that while Democrats have a tradition of being pessimistic and worrying, wringing their hands, Obama is absolutely on the right track maintaining his cool and his focus on the issues. Biden is there to be his warrior, as is Hillary, and they will both do their jobs brilliantly.

I think one of the real issues in this campaign will be voter registration irregularities. My thanks to whoever posted the link to gregpalast.com. The prior two elections were probably stolen (do I need to go to factcheck.org to verify this?) by a variety of illegal tactics on election day, and we have to make sure that doesn’t happen again. I definitely plan to contribute to Greg’s efforts.

Stay focussed, people. Let the nonissues of Babygate, Librarygate, Special Ed funding, Troopergate (which I think Sarah will manage to slip out of fairly easily) go–we have all the ammunition we need with her lack of competence in the economic, international, and domestic needs areas to discredit her readiness for any kind of national post. I for one feel more optimistic tonight than I have in days.

And again, HUGE thanks to AKM for this wonderful blog.

8 09 2008
Diva

Regarding Rachel Maddow’s “interview” with that old racist bastard, Pat Buchanan, she was worked up because he was trying to bamboozle her and she was, as usual, dead RIGHT! Palin does indeed see the Iraq war as “a plan from God”.

From CNN.com, with video

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/08/palin.pastor/index.html

“Speaking of the troops in Iraq, Palin says on the video, “”Pray for our military men and women who are striving do to what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for — that there is a plan, and that plan is God’s plan.”

8 09 2008
Ky

I worked for a phone survey company in 2002 (didn’t last long, most of the surveys were SO biased, and it was obvious who was running them – at least the political ones were), and people would get made if you called their cellphone, because it used up their minutes. We had no way of knowing if they were cellphones, or not, so if the person told us “this is a cellphone”, we apologized, and made a note of it so that the number would not be called, again.

Things may have changed since then, but this is how it was, a few years ago.

8 09 2008
Ky

They would get mad, not made. =P

8 09 2008
tonya
8 09 2008
kimbers

I knew it.

Charles Gibson and the ABC camera’s will be watching as Sarah Palin sends her son off….

‘Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will speak at her son’s Army deployment ceremony on 9/11 and spend two days with ABC News crews later this week as part of a McCain campaign plan to increase Americans’ comfort with her as a leader.

Campaign and network officials had said on Sunday that her first television interview would be a sit-down with Charles Gibson of ABC’s “World News.”

But it turns out that she is spending much of Thursday and Friday with Gibson — at the ceremony in Fairbanks, Alaska, and at her home in Wasilla, Alaska.

Campaign aides said the anchorman will get extensive, repeated access to Palin throughout her first trip home since becoming the nominee.’

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13264.html

She is beneath contempt the way she uses her children as props.

8 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA

I just got an email from DFA requesting a vote on whether to run an ad featuring Dr. Phillip Butler, a POW with McCain. This is not flattering and needs to be seen. Check it out and vote.

8 09 2008
Regi

http://momocrats.typepad.com/momocrats/2008/09/sarah-palin-sla.html Evidently, it depends on how you interpret cuts and increases. As far as I can tell, Palin slashed the funding by 62% but will triple the slashed amount in 2011. It is confusing. I have to admit that, after hearing her lie so many time, that I assume that she lies ALL the time. BUT–I won’t use this lie against her until I can be sure it is true. Budgets and numbers take awhile to analyze. Now I AM going to stop…I AM going to stop…I AM going to stop…

The 62% comes from moving a program for kids into a different area of the budget, the specifics escape me. It was pretty much a wash. It’s so convoluted, I doubt she knows what she did, probably just kept the status quo. The 78% was hers in April when Trig was born I guess. That’s just for special needs kids.

8 09 2008
Hick Town in W PA
8 09 2008
makeitgoaway

I just finished watching the O’Reilly interview of Obama and earlier watched Obermann’s. Both were perfect IMHO. But the O’Reilly one is the one that really counts because of the demographic that watches the show. Everytime Bill tried his usual interruptions, Obama stayed focused and unflappable and insisted on completing the thought. There is no question Billo is impressed. His loyal viewers may pick up on that as well and perhaps start to think a bit. The most remarkable thing about this stage of both campaigns is the complete lack of Republican response to party platform. As KO says about Palin….its the same speech over and over…the same lies over and over even though the press has vetted them out to be lies for some reason they can’t seem to get those speech writers in gear and change the rhetoric.

I will completely agree that Obama’s approach is the right one. I, for one, am proud of this campaign and for the high road it’s taking.

8 09 2008
Ky

Crazy. I wonder if the interview will be held at Ft. Wainright?
This is so surreal. I would be really excited if I actually agreed with her on anything, and didn’t see her as an embarrassment.

8 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

the people who will be deciding “stuff” behind closed doors (aka in executive session down here in the ole 48) and the reason the personnel board needs their own attorney…….

1. Debbie English – chair and only member reappointed by Palin
2. Laura Plenert of Ketchikan – mcdonald’s career no degree
http://www.city.ketchikan.ak.us/departments/civiccenter/lplenert.html
3. Alfred Tamagri, Sr past chair of the Alaska Labor Relations committee

and this letter detailing the other issue the Personnel Board must deal with regarding possible illegal access to personnel records: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/tvnews/deep%20background/alaskapoliceunioncomplaint.pdf

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

kimbers – I’m surprised Charles Gibson has stooped to this low. The reality is if Bush/McCain had stayed focused on bin Laden and not tried to go after Hussein, the war could have been over, and this would have been a non-event. If only, if only. . .

Do you think this is getting sympathy from people, because I’m with you. I hate seeing minors used liked this.

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

sorry – i know her son is not a minor. . . .

was thinking more aobut Bristol and the baby. sorry…

8 09 2008
timc

Any update on the Track bus vandalism story? Would be great if that broke right before the send-off!

8 09 2008
ENOUGHwiththetrainwreck

annieinWA said: Rachel is comparing Palin’s personality and governing style to George W. They said there was an article in the NYT about that subject this morning – anyone see it?

my comment: actually she reminds me of Rumsfeld more and more…..

8 09 2008
Merle

CITY OF WASILLA Mayor Dianne M. Keller:

“The Library conducts a systematic process whenever a Matanuska-Susitna Library Network cardholder requests the reconsideration of an item in the library collection.”

Was Sarah Palin ever a Matanuska-Susitna Library Network cardholder ? Palin is not listed in the incidents Keller reports, but Keller describes only a bottom-up process in terms of actual library patrons.

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Hick Town in W PA –

Thanks for sharing the link. I voted YES (and donated) because I think real people (aka the “common folk”) need to use whatever vehicle necessary to have their voices heard.

The Republican Party has such a powerful PR machine it almost feels like Communism sometimes. I was in the Soviet Union in the early 80’s, and it was so hard to dispute what their propoganda. It was filled with half-truths and written in such a way that if you tried to make changes, the whole story changed, and then YOU were the liar. I’d say the RNC has learned a lot over the past several years, haven’t they? It makes me doubly proud of Senator Obama who stays on point, calm and focused. We need him in the White House.

8 09 2008
HamletsMill

kimbers (19:12:16) :

I knew it.

Charles Gibson and the ABC camera’s will be watching as Sarah Palin sends her son off….

‘Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will speak at her son’s Army deployment ceremony on 9/11 and spend two days with ABC News crews later this week as part of a McCain campaign plan to increase Americans’ comfort with her as a leader.

Campaign and network officials had said on Sunday that her first television interview would be a sit-down with Charles Gibson of ABC’s “World News.”

But it turns out that she is spending much of Thursday and Friday with Gibson — at the ceremony in Fairbanks, Alaska, and at her home in Wasilla, Alaska.

Campaign aides said the anchorman will get extensive, repeated access to Palin throughout her first trip home since becoming the nominee.’

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13264.html

She is beneath contempt the way she uses her children as props.
————————————————–

Every veteran on this site knows you cannot publicize deployment information. It puts every soldier in the same unit with her son at risk. Remember Prince Harry in Afghanistan? But the British understand war. This woman doesn’t. She doesn’t understand ANYTHING outside of HERSELF and who she can use.

John McCain shamefully thinks he is the ONLY POW on Earth ever held in a war. Sarah Palin thinks she is the ONLY person on Earth who has ever seen a son (and now for many – a daughter) off to war. These are massively distorted narcissistic personalities. Both of them. they are feeding on each other. I am just at a loss for words.

There is no glory in war and every thoughtful human being knows it now after the agony of the 2oth Century. And the 21st Century is starting off in an endless polluted sea of lies. Every thinking veteran knows it. I know people who have spent decades trying to come to terms with their experience. But for THESE distorted people all of this is their system of personal psychological identity.

If anyone here wants to know the price of war out of the aftermath of the Vietnam War, read Gerald Nicosia’s heartbreaking book “Home To War”.

http://www.amazon.com/Home-War-History-Veterans-Movement/dp/0812991036

Or better yet, have your sons and daughters read it. I know him. At one point he was so broke writing it that he lived out of his car. At one point his only possessions were the cardboard boxes that contained his documents. I think it took 11 years to write it. I believe it is the greatest account of the aftermath of Vietnam.

And few Americans have ever read it.

Shameful.

8 09 2008
Anonymous

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13264.html

Quoted in the story is a Gov. Palin campaign person saying:

“People don’t understand how to cover women politicians in a way that is completely fair and enlightened yet,” the official said. “And somehow, she has managed to transcend that.”

——
… fair and enlightened … coverage of women politicians is pretty much the same as coverage of men politicians. The press/media/general public ask questions and the politicians answer the questions. Sounds fair and enlightened to me.

When the 3AM call comes will the caller need enlightment to talk to Palin?

8 09 2008
kimbers

Proud2BUSA, I know he’s not a minor, but he is her son and I do think his deployment is being used for political purposes.

I’m very angry at how McCain and Palin are making such a mockery of the entire political process (not that it couldn’t stand some improving) and maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Ms. Palin has made remarks at every deployment in Alaska, but I doubt it.

As crass as it is for me to say it, I think we all need to prepare for a sympathy bounce next week.

BTW, I so agree with your stated reality.

8 09 2008
Merle

CITY OF WASILLA: What are the duties of the Mayor of Wasilla?

2.16.020 Power and duties of mayor.
A. The mayor is the chief administrator of the city, has the same powers and duties
as those of a manager under AS 29.20.005, and shall:
1. Preside at council meetings. The mayor may take part in the discussion of
matters before the council, but may not vote, except that the mayor may vote in the
case of a tie;
2. Act as ceremonial head of the city;
3. Sign documents on behalf of the city;
4. Appoint, suspend or remove city employees and administrative officials,
except as provided otherwise in AS Title 29 and the Wasilla Municipal Code;
5. Supervise the enforcement of city law and carry out the directives of the city
council;
6. Prepare and submit an annual budget and capital improvement program for
consideration by the council, and execute the budget and capital program as adopted;
7. Make monthly financial reports and other reports on city finances and
operations as required by the council;
8. Exercise legal custody over all real and personal property of the city;
9. Perform other duties required by law or by the council; and
10. Serve as personnel officer, unless the council authorizes the mayor to
appoint a personnel officer.

B. The mayor may appoint a person to the position of administrative assistant and
deputy administrator. If appointed, the positions may not be eliminated during the
mayor’s term of office without prior consent of the mayor. (Prior code § 2.16.010)

2.16.080 Veto by mayor.
The mayor may veto an ordinance, resolution, motion, or other action of the council
and may strike or reduce appropriation items. A veto must be exercised before the next
regular council meeting and must be accompanied by written explanation of the
reasons for the veto. A veto may by overridden by a vote of two-thirds of the council
within twenty-one (21) calendar days following the veto, or at the next regular meeting,
whichever is later. The veto does not extend to the adoption or repeal of a manager
plan of city government. (Prior code 2.16.070)
http://www.cityofwasilla.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=485

This in a ‘city’ so small it didn’t even(and still doesn’t) have it’s own school district to run.

A single page of duties and “actual responsiblities”.

8 09 2008
DeMo

kimbers, I am beyond repulsed. This woman will exploit her children at every turn. Prance out her pregnant daugher and Down Syndrome child at the convention. (NOT suggesting she should have hidden them, but had she tied string to them, they could have been parade floats.)

Now, her son is leaving for Eye-rack and she’s going to exploit that also.

Nothing like using your children for political gain. Maternal instinct at its finest.

The Right will eat it up with a silver spoon. I, on the other hand, will have trouble keeping my lunch down.

8 09 2008
Glenn2008

It is slightly off the topic, but please check out this “bridge to nowhere” report. Pass it on, it has substance.

8 09 2008
Harley

has already ” yost my yunch ” a few times already DeMo

8 09 2008
kimbers

‘ I believe it is the greatest account of the aftermath of Vietnam.’

I read it HamletsMill, and I absolutely agree this a book that needs to be read then shared.

8 09 2008
Diva

And SHAME on Charlie Gibson to allow himself to be used in her propoganda piece!

Does anyone think for a SECOND that Joe Biden would allow, much less demand as she has, a televison crew follow him and his family as they send Beau off to war? HELL NO!

8 09 2008
Divatalk

Okay people, listen up. I, like most of you, discovered this blog a week ago and have been up nights reading the antics of the snow queen. It has been fun, really but now it’s time to see this as it really is.

We are spending much too much time thinking and talking about Sarah. Which has taken the focus off of the real issues. We got to get back to basics of discussing with our friends and neighbors the issues.

Sarah is not running the President, yet! And for the most part when the MSM finally gets around to uncovering the information that has been on the blogosphere for days, they either find a ‘friend’ in Alaska to discredit it or the Repubs spin it in such a way that it doesn’t matter.

So don’t take your eye off the ball here. LEt’s keep donating, volunteering, watching and listening to the Dems speeches and solutions to todays issues, and then share that information.

Trust as long as everyone continues on the Palin wagon the more distracted you become from the bigger target. Palin is small time, let treat her as such.

Diva

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

I disagree that I would have NEVER myself ahead of my child for any purpose, and it just feels…like MEDEA (and no, not the comedian!! The Greek Tragedy!!!!) YUCK. It’s just slimy. I had problems when she hoisted that baby over her head like some sort of weird trophy, and then to lambast the press that the Press was the reason she had to come out and tell about Bristol’s pregnancy and THEN talks about the fiance, and now to use her son like this. YIKES. I agree with the Alaskans. This is someone with whom you would not want to share a cave or caribou!

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Hey Diva – I think a lot of us. We’re having a Cookout Across the Carolinas this weekend, and I have scheduled a dinner for many of my female friends to share the truth. I have been collecting my factoid sheet all week. We are focused on McCain and I, for one, am voting for Obama ARMED with McCain’s voting record, his statements and retractments, his past history of questionable ethical behavior (Keating 5, adultery), his decision making ability (Palin) and finally, his obvious and tragic pandering to special interest groups. I am a firm believer that Obama will win.

8 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

What is the deal with Palin’s accent/or lack thereof? In the church video she really does not have much of an accent. At the convention she sounds like she had lived her entire life in North Dakota. For those of you who have heard her speak on many occasions, can you tell us if that convention voice was an “affect?”

8 09 2008
Ky

I know this has been posted before, but I don’t feel like it got enough attention:
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt

During the time Palin was mayor of Wasilla, they charged victims of rape, or their insurance company, for “the costs of examinations that take place to collect evidence of a sexual assault or determine if a sexual assault did occur.”.

8 09 2008
DeMo

AlwaysAmazed1, NOT trying to take away from your experience as an AA attorney, but my father was also an attorney and I learned from him that when you speak with quiet force, it forces others to listen. Yell and people yell back.

Diva, I have to respectfully disagree with you. The Republicans and MSM made Sarah the focus. People are falling over themselves falling in love with her. OK, maybe not love, but infatuation. But infatuation is a potent force.

The crowds gathering to hear McCain/Palin have swelled because of Palin. At this moment in time, she’s not small fry. She’s the main course.

I’m taking bets. What are the odds that ABC will capture a poignant moment when Sarah dabs her eye and bravely holds back a tear for her departing son?

Really, this has become a freaking soap opera. An Oscar-winning screenwriter couldn’t have scripted it better. I only hope it’s a turkey at the box office.

GET OUT THE VOTE!

8 09 2008
kimbers

Divatalk,

Most people here on this blog are very active Obama supporters, donors, canvassers ect. and most have even become more active since Palin came on the scene.

That said, I respectfully disagree that we should ignore her. We can’t. She is having a powerful influence over too many voters who are unwilling to do any research on her and are taking what she says at face value.

I believe it would be foolish for us to do this, especially since McCain is so willing to act like the second banana to his little star.

I for one, am not going to quit until at the very least the MSM does the dang job they got all those college loans to do. I find it offensive that they have to become pissed with McCain’s request for deference to Palin before they even showed any signs of waking from the coma the last eight years has put them in. (Olbermann and a few others but very few excluded from that statement).

8 09 2008
Les

The MSM refuses to publish anything derogatory about Palin so we have to flood them with emails about things such as her gaff about Fanny Mae. Here’s a link with a bunch of media email addresses.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

It’s a shame we have to do their research for them but lets put some pressure on them.

8 09 2008
kimbers

‘I’m taking bets. What are the odds that ABC will capture a poignant moment when Sarah dabs her eye and bravely holds back a tear for her departing son?’

It’ll be the onion in her hankie DeMo.

8 09 2008
NoCalGal

re: the polls and cell phone issue… here is the website for Rock the vote…

Rock the Vote statistical info

http://www.rockthevote.com/assets/publications/research/rtv_young_voters_by_the_numbers-2007.pdf

http://www.rockthevote.com/about/about-young-voters/

I heard from a friend in Denver that RtV indicated that in 2006 something like 80%+ of the young voters voted in the mid term elections.. it is my hope and belief that they will be out in force for this election as well… and we should do whatever we can to encourage their involvement.

I also like the idea of posting at sites and blogs in swing states- pointing up the factual differences between McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden. There is enough worrying information out there to get people thinking about voting Obama/Biden, if not outright commiting…

Anyone have a list of thos blogs/sites??? I am thinking Dade County FLA is a good place to start!!

8 09 2008
fawnskin

i didn’t know what young mr palin’s duties were to be:

http://news.spreadit.org/sarah-palin-son-track-palin-going-to-iraq-to-avoid-jail-time/

8 09 2008
8 09 2008
fawnskin

i have disappearing posts again. yikes

8 09 2008
RW

Dang… I’m frustrated! I need to vent!

We have so many good talking points, yet Keith Olbermann spent most of his time tonight talking about things that don’t really matter, like ‘listing’ an airplane on ebay vs ‘selling’ on ebay. I’m also disappointed in the fact that he chose to focus on Palin’s religion ( talking in tongues, etc.), rather than talk about how she feels that the war in Iraq is a holy war. Talk about alienating Christians!

Let’s not piss off the Christians. Lot’s of Democrats are Christians too. We want their vote. Let’s not move so far to the left, that we can’t speak to the middle anymore.

I’m in a swing state, and the ads I’m hearing on the radio several times a day from Obama are on abortion. I don’t like driving my 8 year old son to school, and having him ask me what abortion means when he hears an abortion ad on the radio over and over again.

We should not talk about something like religion and abortion that is going to further divide us.

I like what Obama said in his DNC speech about abortion, and how we should look at what we have in common. Both sides want to stop unwanted pregnancies. Let’s focus on that. ( Which is why I don’t understand why his is putting out that abortion ad right now. I wish he’d stop).

I personally think we need to talk about how Palin is just like Bush, but a woman. She’s sneaky like Bush, sends letters “Your either with me or against me” and abuses her power to get rid of people that are not ‘with her’. We should also focus on the fact that she believes the war in Iraq is a holy war, which is very scary. She’s untruthful, and lies about the bridge to nowhere, lies about how she reduced taxes when she increased taxes, lies about shaking things up by getting rid of lobbyists and earmarks, tried to censor library books, etc.

I also think we should talk about how McCain voted with Bush 100% of the time this year, how he didn’t stand up for the vets, how he gets the borders of the middle east mixed up ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4 ) how he Shiites and Sunni mixed up ( http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/18/2008-03-18_john_mccain_in_shiitesunni_snafu_during_.html ) and then how even military officials are very concerned about McCain’s temper ( http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/78890/military_officials_fear_mccain's_infamous_temper_tantrums/ )

I think we should also focus on the economy.

CNN Money has an interesting article. The Republicans always talk about how ‘spendy’ Democrats are. Well, according to this article both McCain and Obama are going to get us into debt. However, McCain’s tax proposals could increase the national debt by as much as $4.5 trillion with interest, while Obama’s could add as much as $3.3 trillion. (http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/?postversion=2008061113 )

And, when it comes to international relations, the world hates us. Even our friends in Europe. Bush/Cheney have screwed that up. McCain and Palin are scary when it comes to war. We’ve got a hot tempered man, with a woman who believes that fighting a holy war will give you a spot in heaven. She also talks about her hobby of ‘slaying salmon’ ( why she says that rather than say ‘fishing’ is really sick).

I’d rather have someone that is diplomatic, and actually has conversations with the leaders of other countries.

I also think that we should focus on the environment. McCain and Palin both have extremely poor records, and global warming is a reality. ( And the polar bears really are going extinct ).

As a democrat who wants to win, let’s not focus on issues that makes the left go further left, in a way that alienates the middle. We need to grab the middle with a sensible message that brings us together and makes everyone feel empowered.

Sorry for the long post. Just had to get it out.🙂

8 09 2008
fawnskin

ok. no link again….but….

on spreadit.org it states that young palin’s duties with his unit are as security for the brigades top brass.
that should keep him nice and safe.
i wonder if his friend is also doing security

http://news.spreadit.org/sarah-palin-son-track-palin-going-to-iraq-to-avoid-jail-time/

8 09 2008
fawnskin

ok. no link again….but….

on spreadit.org it states that young palin’s duties with his unit are as security for the brigades top brass.
that should keep him nice and safe.
i wonder if his friend is also doing security

8 09 2008
ds55

To Divatalk: I understand your concern but this is an Alaska-based blog, so I think it naturally follows we focus on Sarah Palin. This is where her political roots began and where we hope to find some truth to balance the lies she spouts on the campaign trail.

I also want to say I disagree that talking about Palin is a distraction from bigger issues. Palin is a big issue, and the general election is less than 60 days away. If we don’t quickly find out as much as we can, the Repubs will succeed in pulling a fast one over on all of us that will stick for 4 years.

I think we are vetting Sarah Palin, since McCain clearly did not. I think we may uncover problems big enough to scare away moderate Repubs as well as Independents and undecided voters. This will help Obama win.

What I would love to see, but don’t expect, is that we will discover something unforgiveable in the eyes of most Americans, which will force McCain to drop Palin as his running mate. The chaos that will generate in the Repub party will guarantee an Obama win.

Thus, I don’t think we’re wasting time here talking about Sarah Palin. And I trust that most of us can multi-task, so we can help the Obama campaign while we post on Mudflats, read DailyKos, HuffPo, FaceBook, cook dinner, do laundry, etc.

8 09 2008
Arkangel_3

I am a 9/11 survivor of the attacks on the WTC.

My life for the past seven years has been not the best: I am disabled with acute PTSD (among other things). I will be in a conversation, and completely drop out of it having no recollection of what I said just 5 minutes earlier. I could probably tell you about some obscure event in history, but not what I did earlier in the day. I *used* to have a photographic memory…that is now gone. My only saving graces have been music (I am a keyboardist) and writing. Both of these tasks keep me focused, and will allow me to pause to collect the thoughts that often fly away from me.

I do not like large crowds, not do I like traveling out of my comfort zone of about a ten mile radius. I can no longer drive on a highway without getting a panic attack. Yesterday I was *finally* at a social event ( a BBQ in the neighborhood), for the first time in months where was fine until the mind started to go away again. I have nightmares, and I have the occasional flashback. This is just a sample of what has happened to me since that day.

The fact that the RNC chose to show a so-called “tribute” film about 9/11 was appalling and offensive to many of us who were there. It was purely political exploitation of the lowest kind. The fact that both John McCain and Barack Obama will be attending the annual ceremony and that they are running no ads (or negative ones…not sure which) is admirable. The fact that ABC chose to air their interview with Governor Palin on the day where BOTH campaigns chose to remain silent is repulsive. The fact that Palin is *allowing* it to be shown on a day when her running mate (you know, the guy running for PRESIDENT) chose to use the day in a reflective manner is political exploitation taken to the nth degree, BEYOND the obvious exploitation of her son.

I truly hope that McCain and Obama check their politics at the door, and use their moments to speak as a tribute to the spirit of the souls who perished on that day. As a promise to do more to help those of us who survived with the mental and physical ailments that are now coming to light for many of us. As a promise to lift up the American spirit. As a promise to honor and NEVER forget and let it happen AGAIN.

I cannot get my life before that day back. I have to deal with what cards I have been dealt with. It has taken me a while to write this, not only because of my condition, but because I needed to chose my words carefully and make them clearly understood to you who are reading this now.

It is my belief that those of us who survived are messengers. From God? From The Universe? Who knows? All I do know is I was spared that day for a reason, and that has yet to be discovered by me…as it is also an individual journey for the other survivors of both the WTC and Pentagon attacks. I may have lost a part of my life, part of my mental stability on that day. But what I am finding out is that I am in the process of discovering my soul.

So remember those of us who are no longer here, those of us who will soon pass on, and those of us who carry the message.

There is hope. Work together, work for peace.

Never forget, never again!

8 09 2008
AlwaysAmazed1

Hey DeMo. You and I agree. In my post, I said that quiet force is what we have to use and sometimes even that is a problem.

RW: Glad you got that off your chest. :o)

8 09 2008
RW

Thanks AlwaysAmazed1. I feel better already. 🙂

8 09 2008
kimbers

RW- you raise an interesting point about radio ads. You might want to contact the Obama campaign and ask them if it’s possible to substitute the word abortion with reproductive rights or something like that.

To reach the Campaign Headquarters by phone, please call: (866) 675-2008 or go to this link: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/contact/ and click on Other Thoughts And Questions. (I used this link in the past and found they were very responsive)

8 09 2008
NoCalGal

RW, I think your points are excellent and worth re iterating. We need to be firm on our beliefs, but not so anti christian and stridently left, that we alienate the very voters we are trying to attract.

Your comment on the nature of the ads and when they air is an EXCELLENT example of how short sighted ppl can be. May I email your comments on that concern to the Obama ppl (or have you?)? I think it would be good for them to adjust their ideas on this to win more minds…

Thank you for your thoughtful post.

8 09 2008
Enjay

I am putting an e-mail together for womensanopalin – there is so much out there …… what else am I missing????

As an over 50 aged woman – I will not vote for the McCain/Palin ticket due to the following:

1) Insufficient Experience on a national level
Being the Gov. of Alaska for 22 months is not sufficient to be
a World Leader
(as VP or heaven forbid, President of the United States)
(Regardless of how close to Russia they are)

2) Does not approves of a woman’s right to choose
(It is nice that Sarah Palin had the opportunity to choose
and deliver a disabled child – however, many women do not have financial, insurance or family resources to
care for a disabled child )

3) Is reckless in her personal decisions.
Why would an educated woman over 7 months pregnant, with high risk delivery of a disabled child get on a series of planes & layovers to deliver in their home state.
Endangering the child she CHOSE to have, in addition to other passengers & crew on the plane.

4) Transparency and openness
Why have “internal e-mails” sent to spouse?
If this is true – then there is no privilege and documents should be released.
Why delay the “Trooper Wooten” investigation?
If there isn’t an issue of potential abuse of power – then she should complete the
deposition and be done with it. Get it over before the election.

5) Earmarks
This from a small town mayor that Used & Abused the system to obtain over $20 mil in
earmarks for a community of less than 10,000 ?
Sounds to me like the burglar who went straight, got into security system installation and made a million

sorry my bullets aren’t straight ….

8 09 2008
RW

Thanks NoCalGal and Kimbers. I will email the Obama campaign. If other’s email also, I think it will be more effective.

8 09 2008
kimbers

Consider it done RW.

8 09 2008
Bluedog

News alert! There’s a really good story on the front page of the Washington Post tonight: “Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home.” Very detailed about her claiming per diem for her kids, Todd submitting expenses for his own trips, taking kids on business trips, working from Wasilla/Anchorage and charging the state, etc. The lede is a grabber:

“Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a “per diem” allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.”

Makes me mad as an Alaskan, but I like to think this is the kind of stuff that doesn’t play well in Middle America either.

8 09 2008
fawnskin

oh, arkangel, that took a lot of courage to write. thank you

8 09 2008
fawnskin
8 09 2008
Mil

Arkangel… Thank you.

8 09 2008
Ky

Thank you, Arkangel! I still cannot watch footage from that day, and I was all the way across the country when it happened. I can’t begin to imagine what you and other survivors have had to go through. I started bawling when the “tribute” was played at the RNC.
Thank you.

8 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

@ Ark Angel
The fact that the RNC chose to show a so-called “tribute” film about 9/11 was appalling and offensive to many of us who were there. It was purely political exploitation of the lowest kind.

You weren’t alone in feeling appalled and offended. So did I, and I was clear across the country on 9/11. I think the thing that offended me the most was that it was billed as a tribute to the victims, but there was almost no mention of at all of the human beings affected and of their continuing pain. It was aimed at making people recall all the horror and fear of that terrible day, and then use that fear as a political tool. Exploitation, indeed! I know how I felt, and I saw and heard Keith Olberman’s reaction. To say you were appalled and offended is a remarkable understatement.

Be good to yourself. You are among friends here. {{{{hugs}}}}

8 09 2008
DeMo

Arkangel_3,

Well said, and I wish you well in the process of discovering your soul. I think you’ll find something quite beautiful.

RW, I don’t want to doubt you, but I find it a little hard to believe that Obama ran an “abortion ad.” I wasn’t in the car with you, but I’ve never heard any politician who is pro choice express their concern over a woman’s right to choose as a right to abortion. The ones who use the word abortion and the phrase “killing babies” are the far right.

Religion plays a role in this election because of the rumors that Obama wasn’t a Christian and McCain chose someone who seems to lean toward fundamentalism.

Olbermann spoke about Palin’s church speaking in tongues because that’s scary stuff. Palin said our troops are on a task from G-d. That’s really scary.. And for people who want to know how the gov’t will be run, it’s important. Y’see, I don’t want to spend the next 4-8 years living in a Christian country with leaders who believe G-d is telling them what to do.

As a Jew, I have felt marginalized in the last 8 years. I can’t vote for a ticket that emphasizes religion. I don’t need to be saved, thank you very much. I’m doing just fine.

Perhaps Obama is appealing to moderate Christians who are on the fence. He can’t win the evangelicals. McCain took care of that when he chose Palin, and he made the choice precisely for that reason.

I strongly encourage you to contact the campaign, but I won’t. Obama’s speeches have made it clear that we are one America. He wants all of us to participate in the American dream. There’s more than enough room in Obama’s vision of America for all of us. I don’t think there’s room in McCain/Palin’s America for me.

So, if Obama calls attention to inclusion, that’s OK with me. It’s more than OK. It’s a big reason that I’m voting for him.

8 09 2008
mvngfwd

Arkangel, my heart and warm wishes go out to you. When I stood on the corner of 10th and Hudson that morning and looked up to see what everyone was looking at, the image was burned into my brain. I can only honor you and all the other victims by doing everything I can to never forget while having the wisdom to know we need to change the way things are. I believe the last 8 years have been an insult and we have failed you. But, I have “hope” that the majority of us will not fail you again.

8 09 2008
G550

Something to make you laugh, inspire you Obama/Biden supporters, remind you that the knockout blow can be delivered with elegance and relish…

Biden Suits Up

http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20080907_biden_suits_up/

8 09 2008
White Agate

Talked to my father-in-law at length this morning, he is a wise old gentleman, 70-year old former accountant, or I should say retired, as you are always an accountant with that view of things. Jewish New Yorker but grew up in the Pittsburgh area.

He is very supportive of Obama/Biden, and his interest in the campaign has kept him going through poor health this past year. He has donated time and time again, ‘For my grandchildren.’ I am sure many here would agree.

LSS, he feels that once again things will come down to MI, PA, and OH, and particularly through making sure all election protections are in place (there is already caging/registration abnormalities going on in OH, VA, etc.). He feels the younger vote will be crucial.

I am researching how best to help in this area but I welcome suggestions from the group. I am starting with the League of Women Voters in my area, but if anyone has already been involved in election work, let me know and I will compile a list. Every vote counts, count every vote! I was heartened to know many folks serving overseas are giving to Obama/Biden. This confirms many of the opinions I have gotten from friends here serving, back from Iraq, or in the reserves.

Also check out Bob Herbert’s pro-liberal editorial in the NYT, I was just reading it. It’s called ‘Hold Your Heads High,’ and basically says that without the work of progressives/liberals during the years of our great republic, among other things, Sarah Palin would not even be able to vote or run as a female veep candidate for the Republican party. I agree with Herbert, why can’t there be campaign adds featuring these ‘liberal’ accomplishments? Are the so much a part of the fabric of our lives that we no longer consider them as such?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/opinion/09herbert.html?hp

And finally, from the if you don’t laugh you have to cry file, check out the new issue of the New Yorker, with McCain playing Monopoly in the forefront with an orange-clad Cindy McCain looking askance at him from behind…on page 54 there is a caption, ‘Does it seem like American tourists are less arrogant than they used to be?’ The sketch features a street scene with two French people walking along a street in Paris past a distraught and disheveled American couple begging on a street corner. Hmmm…

8 09 2008
Lnonblonde

Very interesting Palin “maverick reformer cut government waste” behavior. being reported.
The Washington Post is reporting that while Palin has been Governor, she has billed the state for her staying at her own house.
Yes you read that correctly for STAYING AT HER OWN HOUSE.
She has also billed the state for her children’s expenses as well as for Todd do things for the state. Taxpayers paid for her family’s travel.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html?hpid=topnews

Highlights:
The governor collected the per diem allowance from April 22, four days after the birth of her fifth child, until June 3, when she flew to Juneau for two days.
She wrote some form of “Lodging — own residence” or “Lodging — Wasilla residence” more than 30 times at the same time she took a per diem, according to the reports. In two dozen undated amendments to the reports, the governor deleted the reference to staying in her home but still charged the per diem.
The governor’s daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.
Meanwhile, Todd Palin spent $725 to fly to Edmonton, Alberta, for “information gathering and planning meeting with Northern Alberta Institute of Technology,” according to an expense report. During the three-day trip, he charged the state $291 for his per diem. A notation said “costs paid by Dept. of Labor.” He also billed the state $1,371 for a flight to Washington to attend a National Governors Association meeting with his wife.

8 09 2008
Arkangel_3

Thanks for the kind words. As always, Thursday will not be easy…it never is; but I have the support of my wife and children to help get me through. Victims and Survivors will be in my mind and heart all day on Thursday, as they are every Anniversary.

Please, just for one day, overcome any political partisanship and strive for peace, no matter how small in whatever corner of your life you can. If it works for one day, than perhaps it can work for many more.

The lesson of that day is really about how we can work for peace through remembrance; strength through support; and testify to the unity and potential of Humanity by showing compassion and love for each other.

8 09 2008
JM

1) The MSM takes a while, because the good ones at least, really try hard to vet their information. In the blogosphere, incorrect information spreads rapidly, whether on purpose or accidental.

Example: the purported list of banned books

Suggestion: no matter how delicious, think hard about propagating information unless you’ree sure of it, or at least provide a reference. If too much misinformation gets spread, real stuff gets lost.

2) Some people may read The Economist, which is a free-market-oriented transatlantic weekly magazine, and as MSM as it gets. They goof, and actually occasionally admit it, but their analysis is often better informed and more careful than most. Those who love Wall Street Journal OpEd may consider it a rabid, left-wing rag … but I doubt anyone else does.

In two successive issues, they:
a) Wished for the return of the “Old McCain”, not the one they were seeing now.

b) Were not overly impressed by McCain’s choice ofGov. Palin, in The woman from nowhere.

It ends:
“One of the biggest problems with the Bush administration is that it appointed so many incompetents because they were sound on Roe v Wade. Mrs Palin’s elevation suggests that, far from breaking with Mr Bush, Mr McCain is repeating his mistakes.”

(Some may recall Monica Goodling. Also, with regard to “reformers”, perhaps some people recall Huey Long of Louisiana, i.e., there are reformers, and there are reformers… and it helps to have history for calibration.

9 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@ArkAngel and WhiteAgate –

ArkAngel – That took some courage to write and I’m so sorry for your experience. Many of us remember that day, but thankfully, from afar. I lost a college roommate on 9/11 and watching her historically optimistic husband try to pick the pieces and raise their children has been a lesson in tenacity and forgiveness for all of us. My heart and prayers go out to you. I agree that the RNC showed little, if any, regard for the survivors of 9/11. It was terribly offensive and almost as though they want to keep those wounds open.

WhiteAgate – thank you for sharing the positive piece in the NYT. That is what I needed to start my day and share with my folks. It’s such a true statement that we have forgotten all the great things the Democratic Party has done to improve our lives, and it is an article that definitely needs some viral. I sent it out this morning to MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK OF PERSONAL CONTACTS regardless of affiliation as it hits home the need for two parties, and the need for “checks and balances.” Thank you.

If independents and others (even Republicans) would step back, take a breath and THINK – they were so ashamed and embarrassed by their incumbent’s performance over the past 8 years that he was noticeably absent from the campaign trail and sent only a recorded message to the Party. His VEEP had to conveniently scoot out of town. This was unprecendented-the loudest applause came from Reagan almost 30 years ago! What does that really say?

9 09 2008
RW

DeMo-

I agree with you. I like that Obama is appealing to many different faiths. I just said that I don’t think people like Keith should alienate the Christians. I’m a non-religious person myself, but I do think that how we report things, should not be divisive. How people choose to worship is their own business. However…. the fact that Palin thinks the Iraq war is a holy war is fair game.

As far as doubting me about Obama’s radio abortion ad, here it is:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-hits-radi.html

9 09 2008
tumba

Exposing Five Dangerous Lies in McCain’s Big Speech
By , AlterNet
Posted on September 6, 2008, Printed on September 9, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/97813/

Editor’s note: Much of the best information on the 2008 election can’t be found in newspapers or magazines, or TV and radio, or websites — it’s on email. The article below is an email response sent out by critics of McCain’s RNC speech singling out inaccurate statements the GOP nominee made to the nation on critical issues of the day.

False McCain Claim: “My health care plan will make it easier for more Americans to find and keep good health care insurance.”

Facts: McCain’s Health Care Plan Does Little to Reduce the Ranks of America’s Uninsured and Would Erode the Employer-Based System

Under McCain’s Plan, Health Insurance Benefits Would be Taxed For The First Time, Resulting In A $3.6 Trillion Tax Increase On Working Families. McCain’s health care plan would eliminate the payroll deduction on health care benefits, which would have the effect of raising taxes on working families by $3.6 trillion. [New York Times, 5/1/08]

McCain’s Plan Undermines The Employer-Based Health Care System And Will Lead To Workers Losing Coverage. McCain’s health care plan would begin to dismantle the employer-based health care system, removing the incentives employers have to provide health care coverage, resulting in employees losing their health care. [New York Times, 4/30/08;Washington Post, 4/30/08]

The Health Care Tax Credit McCain Offers Would Cover Less Than Half The Cost Of An Average Health Care Plan. The McCain health plan would give families a $5,000 tax credit to purchase health insurance. However, in 2007, the average family health insurance plan cost $12,000 – more than double the value of McCain’s health care tax credit. [“Employer Health Benefits 2007 Annual Survey,” Kaiser Family Foundation, 9/11/07; “‘Call To Action’ On Health Care Reform,” John McCain 2008 press release, 4/29/08; Wall Street Journal, 10/11/07]

McCain’s Health Care Plan Does Little to Help America’s Uninsured. McCain’s plan does not focus on “reducing the ranks of the uninsured,” of which there are about 47 million, or one in seven Americans. According to the New York Times, “The McCain campaign has no estimate of how many of America’s 47 million uninsured would likely gain coverage under its plan.” It “has been estimated to reduce the number of uninsured in the U.Sby three to nine million.” [Wall Street Journal, 10/11/2007, 4/30/2008; New York Times, 3/2/2008]

McCain’s Erosion Of Employer System Would Take Away Millions of Americans’ Insurance. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, “158 million people nationally” had “employer-sponsored health insurance” in 2007. McCain’s elimination of the employer tax incentive to provide coverage would put these 158 million Americans’ coverage in jeopardy. According to an analysis conducted by the Center For American Progress, “business owners would no longer need to cover their workers to get tax benefits for their own coverageThe entire employer health insurance system could unravel, ending this as an option for Americans who prefer it.” In addition, the McCain plan “would not require insurers to provide health coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.” [Kaiser Family Foundation, “Employer Health Benefits 2007 Annual Survey; Center For American Progress Action Fund, “Analysis of McCain’s Health Care Announcement,” 4/29/2008; New York Times Political Blog, “The Caucus,” 4/29/2008,

Oil Companies:

False McCain Attack: “Both parties and Senator Obama passed another corporate welfare bill for oil companies.”

The Facts: Energy Bill Actually Raised Taxes on Oil and Gas Industry, McCain Supports Tax Breaks for Big Oil

AP Fact Check: Congressional Research Service Showed That The Energy Bill Actually Raised Taxes On The Oil And Gas Industry. The AP reported, “Clinton is on shakier ground when attacking Obama for supporting “Dick Cheney’s energy bill,” and not just because it’s a stretch to assign the vice president name – red meat to Democrats – to the legislation. The 2005 act that she describes as packed with billions of dollars in oil industry breaks actually raised taxes on the oil and gas industry by about $300 million over 11 years, according to the Congressional Research Service. The nonpartisan analysis found $2.6 billion in tax cuts for the oil and gas industry and $2.9 billion in tax increases. The bulk of tax breaks went to other sources of energy, including alternative fuels favored by both Clinton and Obama.” [AP, 2/15/08]

McCain’s Tax Plan Will Cut Taxes For Oil Companies by Nearly $4 Billion – Including $1.2 Billion for Exxon. A study by the Center for American Progress Action Fund noted that the corporate tax rate cut included in the McCain tax plan “would deliver a $3.8 billion tax cut to the five largest American oil companies” – ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Valero Energy, and Marathon. According to their analysis ofExxon’s financial statements, the company would receive a tax savings of $1.2 billion under the McCain plan. [“The McCain Plan to Cut Oil CompanyTaxes by Nearly $4 Billion,” Center for American Progress Action Fund, 3/27/08]

McCain Spokesman: McCain Opposes A Bipartisan Compromise to Expand Domestic Oil Production Because of Provisions that Would End Tax Breaks for Oil Companies. “A spokesman for Sen. McCain said that while he ‘applauds the bipartisan effort,’ he wouldn’t support the proposal because ‘he cannot and will not support legislation that raises taxes.'” [Wall Street Journal,8/2/08] ###

Trade

False McCain Attack: “I will open new markets to our goods and services. My opponent will close them.”

The Facts: When Obama Negotiate Trade Deals, It Will Be With American Workers in Mind; McCain Supported Deals That Cost Americans Jobs

Obama Said That While “We’re Not Going To Draw A Moat” Around The US, Trade Deals Had To Be Negotiated With American Workers In Mind.

“The AP reported, “Obama said he supports the foreign trade deal, which is especially important to labor and U.S. manufacturers. He said active trading is a key way to keep the United States competitive. ‘We’re not going to draw a moat around the United States’ economy. If we do that, then China is still trading, India is still going to be trading,’ said Obama, who voted against the recent Central American Free Trade Agreement and opposes the pending trade deal with South Korea. ‘I think that NAFTA and CAFTA did not reflect the interests of American workers but reflected the interests of the stock owners on Wall Street, because they did not contain the sorts of labor provisions and environmental provisions that should have been embedded and should have been enforceable in those agreements,’ he said.” [AP, 10/10/07]

McCain Supported NAFTA, Which Contributed to Loss of a Million American Jobs, And CAFTA. John McCain supported both the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). The Economic Policy Institute has estimated that NAFTA contributed to the loss of 1 million American jobs since it took effect in 1994. [Vote 395, HR 3450, 61-38, 11/20/93; Vote 170, S.1307, 54-45, 6/30/05; “Revisiting NAFTA; Still not working for North America’s workers,” The Economic Policy Institute,9/28/06]

McCain: I Am The Biggest Free Marketer And Free Trader. “Well, obviously we should make sure that every nation respects human rights, and we should advocate that and try to enforce it. But I will open every market in the world to Iowa’s agricultural products. I’m the biggest free marketer and free trader that you will ever see.” [GOP Debate, 12/12/07]

McCain Praised NAFTA But Admitted That People Are “Gonna Lose Jobs.” “I know NAFTA was a good idea. It’s created millions of jobs and it has helped the economies of all three nations. All you have to do is go to Detroit and see the thousands of trucks lined up every day or go to our southern border. There have been winners and losers and that’s the problem but free trade is something I think is vital to the future of America. As a free trader, I will open up every market in the world to Iowa agricultural products. Have people lost jobs? Yes, they have. And they’re gonna lose jobs although the overall gain in jobs is gonna be pretty impressive.” [Des Moines Register, 11/27/07]

McCain: I Don’t Care How Many Jobs You Outsource. Responding to a question about the economy during an appearance on Hardball, McCain said, “If we start seeing what a lot of us expect, and that is a strong economy cannot go forever without picking up jobs. I don’t care how many of them you outsource, then I think the president is going to be helped by that.” [MSNBC, “Hardball,” 2/25/04]

McCain Acknowledges Trade Agreements Have Cost America Jobs, Still Believes Agreements Have “Been Very Successful.” “McCain has said the trade pacts have been a net positive. ‘Overall, the free-trade agreements have been very successful, and I can prove that with economic data on job creation,’ McCain said in an interview Monday with the Journal Sentinel. But he added, ‘It has left people behind, and we must give those people and others opportunities.'” [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 4/16/08]

Taxes

McCain’s False Attacks: “I will keep taxes low and cut them where I can. My opponent will raise them.”

The Facts: Obama Will Cut Taxes, McCain Will Raise Them — David Leonhardt of The New York Times Wrote That, “For Most People, Obama Is The Tax Cutter In This Campaign.”

Leonhardt wrote that, ” The Tax Policy Center, a research group run by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, has done the most detailed analysis of the Obama and McCain tax plans, and it has published a series of fascinating tables. For the bottom 80 percent of the population — those households making $118,000 or less — McCain’s various tax cuts would mean a net savings of about $200 a year on average. Obama’s proposals would bring $900 a year in savings. So for most people, Obama is the tax cutter in this campaign.” [The New York Times, 8/24/08]

Analysts Say That Obama’s Tax Cut Plan “Offers Three Times The Break For Middle Class Families Than Proposals” Of McCain. “The tax cut plan of Democratic nominee to be Barack Obama offers three times the break for middle class families than proposals of likely Republican nominee John McCain, according to analysts working for a left-leaning think tank. Families making between $37,595 and $66,354 of annual income with Obama would get an average tax cut of $1,042 per family while McCain’s tax cut for this group would be $319, the report states.” [Nashua Telegraph, 6/12/08]

Under Obama’s Plan The Middle Of The Middle Class Would See Taxes Cut By $1,042 A Year; McCain’s Tax Plan Would Give Them Only A $319 Tax Cut. According to the non partisan Tax Policy Center’s computations, “under Mr. Obama’s plan, the middle of the middle class, or those earning $37,595 to $66,354, would see taxes cut by $1,042 a year. Under Mr. McCain’s plan, taxes for people in that category would also fall, but by $319; the largest chunk of the benefits would go to those making $2.8 million a year or more.” [New York Times, 6/13/08]

Washington Post: McCain’s Approach To Taxes Is Far More Costly Than Obama’s. “There is a serious debate to be had in this presidential campaign about the fundamentally different tax policies of Barack Obama and John McCain. Then there is the phony, misleading and at times outright dishonest debate that the McCain campaign has been waging — most recently with a television ad. The two candidates have very different positions on taxes. Mr. Obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans and cut them substantially for low- and middle-income taxpayers. He would cut taxes for more households, and by a larger amount, than Mr. McCain, who would give the greatest benefits to wealthy households and corporations. The McCain campaign insists on completely misrepresenting Mr. Obama’s plan. The country can’t afford the tax cuts either man is promising, although Mr. McCain’s approach is by far the more costly. We don’t expect either side to admit that. But neither side should get to outright lie about its opponent’s positions, either.” [Editorial, Washington Post, 8/31/08]

ABC Headline: McCain Health Credit Could Morph Into Tax Hike. McCain’s “health-care plan would replace the existing tax exclusion for employer-sponsored coverage with a refundable tax credit for all Americans. The tax change is intended to create a more equitable system that provides everyone — including those who do not receive their health coverage from their employer — with the same tax advantage. And since it is refundable, it would provide a cash benefit to those who earn too little to pay federal income taxes. But if the cost of health care continues to outpace inflation in the economy at large, McCain’s health credit would morph into a tax hike for those who currently receive a tax exclusion for employer-sponsored coverage, according to a study released Wednesday by the liberal Center for American Progress.” [ABC News, 7/2/08] McCain’s Health Care Plan Would Raises Taxes On Families By $1,169 In 2013. According to a report by the Center for American Progress, the tax credit in McCain’s health care plan would fall behind rising health premiums and would raise taxes for the average family by $1,169 in 2013. [“John McCain’s Radical Prescription for Health Care,” Center for American Progress Action Fund, 7/2//08]

McCain’s Campaign “Acknowledged” That His Health Care Plan “Would Have The Effect Of Increasing Tax Payments For Some Workers.” “Though Senator John McCain has promised to not raise taxes, his campaign acknowledged Wednesday that the health plan he outlined this week would have the effect of increasing tax payments for some workers, primarily those with high incomes and expensive health plans. The campaign cannot yet project how many taxpayers might see their taxes go up, said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Mr. McCain’s top domestic policy adviser. But Mr. Holtz-Eakin said in an interview that for some, Mr. McCain’s health care tax credits would not be large enough to compensate for his proposal to eliminate the tax breaks afforded to workers with employer-provided health benefits. To end the disadvantage to those who do not buy insurance through employers, Mr. McCain proposes to eliminate the exclusion of health benefits from taxable income. In exchange, he would provide refundable tax credits of $2,500 to single people and of $5,000 to families, with the goal of stoking competition in the individual insurance market. The elimination of the exclusion would generate $3.6 trillion over 10 years, according to the McCain campaign, and that money would pay for the tax credits.” [New York Times, 5/1/08] ###

Worker Training

False McCain Attack: “For workers in industries that have been hard hit, we’ll help make up part of the difference in wages between their old job and a temporary, lower paid one while they receive retraining that will help them find secure new employment at a decent wage.”

The Facts: McCain Has Repeatedly Opposed Vital Training for Workers in Hard-Hit Industries

McCain Opposed $1 Million In Job Training Programs For Young People. In 2003, McCain sponsored an amendment to delete several provisions from the war supplemental spending bill, including $1 million for the Jobs for America’s Graduates school-to-work program for at-risk young people for Training Employment Services. [2003 Senate Vote #118, 4/3/2003, McCain: Y]

McCain Voted Against a Pilot Program to Provide Low-Interest Loans to Workers in Job Training or Assistance Programs. In 2002, McCain voted to kill an amendment requiring the Labor Department to establish a pilot program providing low-interest loans to workers in job training or job assistance programs to enable workers to continue making their mortgage payments. (CQ) McCain: Y [2002 Senate Vote #119, 5/21/2002]

McCain Voted Against Providing Additional $4.1 Million For Job Training And Other Domestic Programs. In 1992, McCain voted against transferring $4.1 billion from defense to domestic programs, including Head Start, child immunization programs and the Job Corps program. (CQ) McCain: N [1992 Senate Vote #208, 9/16/1992, McCain: N]

McCain Voted Against Providing $1 Billion In Economic Assistance, Including Job Training. In 1992, McCain voted against providing $1 billion for various programs designed to help those struggling economically, including job training funding. [1992 Senate Vote #146, 7/2/1992, McCain: Y]

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11 09 2008
David Willis

Governor Palin seems to like to exagerate and even lie about her “history”. One of her “hero brag points” is that she shot and dressed out a moose. What is the real story here? A moose is a huge animal and the effort to properly dress out such an animal would be almost impossible if done by one person. Why is this story all about her? Was she just tagging along with a group of her husband’s friends? Even if she was the person who pulled the trigger, how big was her role in scouting, tracking, shooting, recovering, field dressing, quartering, etc., etc.? Is the story even true?




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