Palin Rumored to Be Giving Interview

7 09 2008

My friends, the transformation is almost complete.  After sequestration with Joe Lieberman and the rest of the Republican political brain surgeons, the new and improved Sarah Palin, head now full of fun new facts about foreign policy, international relations, and the economy is nearly ready for her formal debut.

Rumor has it that she will be granting her very first interview since her selection as John McCain’s running mate on August 29th.  The lucky winner?  ABC news and Charles Gibson.  When?  Some time in midweek.  Where?  In Alaska, believe it or not.  This interview, which falls nearly two full weeks after her selection, far exceeds the amount of time taken by any other candidate in history to speak off script. It still comes earlier than many expected.

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said Sunday that Palin would be made available “when we think it’s time and when she feels comfortable doing it.”

So, apparently, no thanks to all of us, Palin has somehow reached the level of personal comfort necessary to speak to the American people without a script.  Has she memorized enough 3×5 cards full of talking points to pull it off?  Will Charles Gibson throw softballs, or will he ask actual questions about her record, her preparedness, and her policy?  Will she crumble in front of our very eyes?  Or will the newly dubbed ‘Caribou Barbie’ live to fight another day?

The news of the interview was leaked under condition of anonymity, so we’ll have to wait and see how the details materialize.  But it does seem to indicate that her flight north will come in the next couple of days.  It also indicates that Alaskans may be running into Charles Gibson at Jammin’ Java in downtown Anchorage, or having a cold one at the Moose’s Tooth Pizza Pub. 

When will she actually have a press conference?  According to Davis, not “until the point in time when she’ll be treated with respect and deference”.  When the Republicans make THAT call is anyone’s guess.


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7 09 2008
Kathy

not till she is treated “with respect and deference”- in God;s name, why would she expect to be shown qualities she did not show Obama in her speech,

Though after Gibsons PITIFUL performance with George S. last year, I am not holding my breath for a “real” interview.

7 09 2008
judi

Charlie Gibson? Why not Matthews or Oberman!

7 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

I bet you money they make Gibson present his questions to her prior to the interview. This will be scripted, and very pretty. Gibson doesn’t do confrontation.

7 09 2008
NMJ

Friday night on Countdown With Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow spent almost the whole hour debunking the lies (yes, she used that word!) being told by Palin.

Here’s the link; you can watch the whole thing online:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

I feel a little better, now…

7 09 2008
MAS_WNY

It’s shocking to me that the McCain operatives insist that she be treated as a hothouse flower by the press, yet any indication that she’s not up to the task of VP brings on the cries of sexism. If McCain-Palin get voted in, then Bill Maher really is correct — Americans are too stupid to be governed.

Keep up the good work Mudflats. Without the ‘internets’ we’d be lacking sooooooo much critical info.

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

What a disappointment, that we should be practically begging to hear , in an honest forum, from a VP candidate. This is the type of BS that goes on in countries other than our own……this is distasteful on so many levels that I can’t even comprehend the amount of absolute control Republicans currently enjoy.

7 09 2008
Groundhogday

One of the likely conditions of this interview: Neither Gibson nor ABC will be allowed to reveal the conditions of this interview. Good Morning America puff piece coming.

7 09 2008
Intrigued

Oh great — a “Good Morning America” type interview.

Just what Americans want and need.

Disgusting.

7 09 2008
The Traveling Filipina

Awright. Let’s hear what the Palin-drone’s gonna say! LOL! (I kill myself!)

7 09 2008
ReaderInMD

Just curious, but when does school start up there? Are her kids (at least the ones who are still being edumacated) with her on the campaign trail or homeschooling or are they already back in AK?

7 09 2008
NMJ

My last two comments didn’t show up…this is a test…

7 09 2008
Kimberly Alderman

When will she actually have a press conference? According to Davis, not “until the point in time when she’ll be treated with respect and deference”.

Can you imagine if Davis said that about a male VP candidate? It’d sound as if he were keen on him.

Can you imagine someone saying that about Hillary Clinton? I can’t. She could hold her own even if someone chose to be confrontation.

So much for a “pit bull with lipstick”…

7 09 2008
Kris Franklin

Great news. I can hardly wait to hear this scripted version of her rise to stardom among the great leaders of our time!!!! I guess I’ll just have to buy stock in Pepto Bismo. What a trip!!!!

Kris

7 09 2008
Gryphen

Oh come on Muckraker.

This is an interview with Charlie Gibson!

The man has never seen a Republican politician whose ass he was not willing to kiss.

And after having his lips attached to Dick Cheney’s pimpled ass Sarah’s is going to taste like heaven.

Gryphen, you cynic! You don’t think he’ll have a conversion and rise from the ashes with a Campbell Brown moment? ;0) AKMuckraker

7 09 2008
NMJ

Friday night on Countdown With Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow spent almost the whole hour debunking the lies (yes, she used that word!) being told by Palin.

Here’s the link; you can watch the whole thing online:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

I feel a little better, now…

7 09 2008
drchill

ITS ALIVE ! Visions of the bride of Frankenstein…

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

When the ice princess is ready, and not a minute sooner……………..puke !

7 09 2008
tammy

Drchill, that is funny!!! Now my kid wants to know what I am laughing at, lol.

7 09 2008
Doc

They are playing the expectations game. She is not an awful interiewer and the media will give her a pass the same way they gave McCain a pass on many things. The media has decided McCain is their darling again. People are tired of Obama as a celebrity and now want Ms. pitbull with lipstick as their newly found celebrity.

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

Charlie Gibson is so excited he can’t sleep…..Kris , please pass the Pepto Bismo

Pepto shots — that will be the drinking game for this interview.

7 09 2008
NMJ

I hope duplicates of this info aren’t going to start showing up. I’ve tried to post it three times, and it’s never visible. Well, here goes:

Friday night on Countdown With Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow spent almost the whole hour debunking the lies (yes, she used that word!) being told by Palin. Here’s the link; you can watch the whole thing online:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

I feel a little better, now…

7 09 2008
Laurie

Respect AND deference???? Who the hell does she think she is? Respect is one thing…we all are entitled to that, but she didnt think of that when she has been frothing at the mouth about Obama.

Deference/?? thats a whole other ball of wax. She has done nothing to deserve deference. Stupid snowbilly

7 09 2008
meatme

ther is a report posted on http://www.drugereport.com that keith olberman and chris mtthews are going to be removed from top anchor chairs. don’t know if it’s true, just read breaking with no link. if we find this is true, we all need to contact MSNBC in support of these two good reporters who are being realiated against for thier willingness to keep the facts straight.

7 09 2008
AHiredGun

EVERYONE needs to contact ABC and put the pressure on the network to make sure Charles Gibson asks Palin the tough questions that need to be asked, and not a fluff interview. Have everyone you know flood the network with calls and e-mails. That might get ABC’s attention and force it to do the right thing.

7 09 2008
riverside

My niece says the Republican VP candidate makes her so mad that she has tuned out all election coverage. I take it she won’t be watching the ABC interview. She will, however , be voting.

Did you see the vote shenanigans that have been happening in many places to scuttle the college student vote? Folks, its time to hook up with the Obama/Biden campaign and fight like hell. Don’t spend ALL your time here reading blog comments. Maybe we can start to comment on what we have found to do and encourage each other. Action!

7 09 2008
Blue Idaho

This interview will be total B.S. and we all know it.

7 09 2008
judi

respect sarah, you get it the old fashioned way you have to earn it~

7 09 2008
Mil

Gag me. Palin should have to undergo ever shred of scrutiny that Clinton and Obama withstood. I can’t believe people are bying this crap. Sheep. Stupid freaking sheep.

7 09 2008
tugenensis

Can someone pl. plug this song during the interview as public service?

7 09 2008
Laurie

Listen folks…I love you all. You can all come and live with me in Canada if McCain wins. You will even be able to benefit from our “gasp” socialized medicine.

Just so you know…my healthcare has never been compromised. I can get in to see my doc within 3 days of initial call and same day if necessary. I pay 35 cents for a prescription….I have extra coverage through my job. It pays for private hospital room…out of country coverage…chiropractor…dentist..glasses, short and long term disability. Some companies have a small amount taken off your paycheque…my company is free. The regular government coverage though is all I need to have actual medical care.

7 09 2008
Ataraxy

Supporters of one political party and the media (in a coordinated effort) often “over-play their hand” and fall into a trap set by brilliant campaign strategists. This is not the first trap I’ve seen the dems take the bait on. This time, strategists are allowing non-substantive personal attacks on Sarah Palin’s abilites on the talk-show circuit; then when all eyes are on the candidate, she will “knock it out of the park” on these “news” shows. The expectations will be set so low, and her performance will be so excellent that people will be blown away. (Like her acceptance speech, who would have known that little short job as a sports caster would pay off!)

7 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

since ABC is owned by disney, maybe they could interview her at disneyland.

7 09 2008
Mil

ack stupid typos! every and buying. *have flu, take pity*

*attacks typos with Palin’s mouth*

7 09 2008
Blue Idaho

Bad news folks. I hope the NE has some dirt that will stick!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080907/pl_politico/13228

7 09 2008
Regi

Gibson didn’t ask McCain anything at all about all the earmarks or the bridge during the convention interview, why would he now? Unless they’ve come up with some incredible spin. The governor debate in 2006 is FASCINATING ! She basically just copied the Democrat’s platform, especially regarding the plane, and he was right on her. Even Murkowski was honest enough to admit the bottom line is oil and gas, not her though, and him defending the plane was priceless🙂

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnbc.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Times article on MCNBC

Canada – we have actually discussed it…seeing that if McCain wins we will be in war after war…..And my boys aren’t fighting for “McCain type” freedom.

7 09 2008
Lulu

It’s perfect. Network TV is so old media, and so is Charlie Gibson. An old media-type interview for a retro campaign, built on mid-twentieth century communication platforms. What will it yield? Not much. Possible ratings bonanzas for an “older demographic.” My prediction: In the end, it won’t change the electoral vote map. Why? Well, Gibson’s horrid debate pummeling had no real effect on Obama either. Why would his softballs to Palin net anything?

7 09 2008
MinNJ

OMG. After the last Democratic debate Mr. Gibson hosted, I have been unable to watch ABC news, not that I was a devotee or anything. The Founding Fathers must be twirling. I have been reading as much as I possibly could since her announcement…and she makes me ill. I try to laugh at the snarky stuff, but sometimes it’s just too much…God help us.

7 09 2008
tammy

They (msnbc) will replace them on debate and election night coverage with David Gregory? Are they out of their minds?????????????? If anyone should go immediately, it should be Pat Buchanan.

7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

While we wait, clips, clips, clips, and more clips will be played here there and evrerywhere of SP doing everything and anything she does best, have you seen the debates on C-span? I was confused and thought they are realtime, today wise, not much sleep so it took a moment. You have to have a real fast mute/surf button to not see some clip of her sneering at something. Now, they can tell us the bounce has gone back over to m/p oh, the shame…we haven’t gotten our rock star bounced over their rock star. Love to watch all the commercials that are paying for these rerun clips….I’m going to get a callus on my surfing finger.

7 09 2008
akmuckraker

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7 09 2008
John Henry

Here are the questions?

-We know your son is deploying to Iraq today so lets start with that. Who’s right on the surge McCain or Obama?
-We know the vetting process was really tough, but what did you think of Cindy?
-Don’t you think the RNC convention was exciting?
-What did you think of Cindy’s $300,000 outfit?
-She made Laura Bush look middle class, didnt she?
-What can we do to lessen our dependence on foreign oil and increase our national security?
-We know at 13 you would get up at 3am to go moose hunting, doesn’t that qualify you to be president, since you will already be up anyway?
Given that you are no longer in Rev Wright’s church, how do we in fact you are not muslim? Wait. that’s for Obama.

7 09 2008
Regi

You people are really losing sight of the main point here. She’s not a Democrat !! That’s enough to keep me sleeping at night for the last eight years😀

7 09 2008
xero

She’ll be ready as soon as she memorizes the questions.

As to showing her ‘deference’ or ‘respect’; When she shows the American people, and the position for which she is ‘applying’ , the deference and respect we, and it, deserve, perhaps. Until such a time, she gets what she deserves.

Gibson. May as well be Hannity.

7 09 2008
sosad

Looks like that venomous spewing succubus can dish it out but can’t take it ..
Claims to be loaded with experience but when it comes to a simple interview she must be protected .. ANYONE else on the list would have dove right in on the interviews with same day service , Mitt , Rudy , anyone with enough experience that is !!!!! Let’s all hope Joe tears the arms off her (experience) in the debate .

7 09 2008
NMJ

I’m so embarrassed…all of my missing comments showed up at once! I look like an idiot.

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I have been thinking about leaving this country, especially if our Democracy get’s highjacked again!!!

I do not want to live in a country, where our government choose to think our livelihood is a joke!!!

7 09 2008
clarence

Late this week, huh? Maybe on Sept 11? Allow her to be a worried Mom as her son ships off to Iraq that day? Or, use the opportunity of the anniversary to ask some penetrating questions about national security, etc. Hmmmm — I wonder, NOT.

Let’s see, this is as perfect set up to turn her into even more of an icon. Do you think anyone will want to sit down with Joe Biden the day his son goes to Iraq? She might as well be doing this on “The View” for all the hard news that is going to be generated — except on “The View” maybe Whoopi or even Barbara would ask a real question.

Depressing as hell . . .

7 09 2008
sosad

gibson is hannity ( if you cut off hannitys balls )

7 09 2008
Glenn2008

My friends! My fellow Amercians! Your time has come to make your sacrifice. Country first. I call you to DONATE ALL YOUR LIPSTICK to save the homeland.

This is the time when your leaders need your lipstick more than ever. Make the ultimate sacrifice and send all the lipstick you have to Alaska.

In return you will gain INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE. Experience like no other; you will learn how Romania, Albania, Russia and China spent the best part of the 20th century thinking about what you can say/think, and what you should not. You will also discover new countries like Iran, Georgia and others. Endless, exciting possibilities. This is a chance of a lifetime.

Lipstick first, my friends.

7 09 2008
meatme

to akmuckraker —

can you give us some information about trigg’s involvement in vandalizing the buses and why he went to school in michigan for 6 months during his senior year
and does this have a connection to troopergate?

7 09 2008
xero

@mil

People aren’t ‘buying’ this crap, they are having it fed to them.

McSames campaign are controlling the media in regards to Gov Mooseburger. If she were not being ‘contained’ there are any number of real journalists that would love to ask the tough questions.

We are NOT sheep. We are being TREATED like sheep. Disgusting isn’t it, that it has devolved so?

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Track could be the “Sacrificial Lamb”, God forbid! If something happen to him over there in Iraq, that would really bring in the sympathy votes!!!

7 09 2008
sosad

Palin is Bush (if you cut off bushes nuts) (and add lipstick)

7 09 2008
John Henry

Gibson. May as well be Colmes.

7 09 2008
Sue

I also can’t imagine this interview done on anything other than the basis of pre-submission of questions.

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

Actually it would be funny to send your old lipstick to the McCain campaign headquarters…. with a note, ” There’s isn’t enough lip-stick in the world to make Sarah Palin qualified to be Vice President of the U.S.A. “

7 09 2008
xero

@ Blue Idaho

Convention bounce. It’ll likely even out by midweek. Also, remember, those polls do not take into account the large block of cell phone only users. Polls are really meaningless, and can be spun to favor either.🙂

7 09 2008
Hopeful

Before Sarah explained it, I thought there were a lot more differences between pitbulls and hockey moms.

Let’s hope she’s well trained enough to answer the questions instead of lifting her leg at Gibson (to cause yet another distraction).

7 09 2008
Lani

It’s no joke about Canada. Vietnam all over again. Lots of neighbors are talking about sending their teen & young adult offspring overseas if McCain gets in (one way or the other). Unfortunately, with our international reputation, it won’t be as easy to relocate them outside our borders as it was in the ’60’s and ’70’s….

7 09 2008
Michigander

OMG….Charlie Gibson interviewing Palin unscripted! Ok now you locals have to learn much more from us in the 48. Objective….well maybe if CG e is allowed to discuss recipes, how to get the kids to and from school, lipstick color of the day, local traffic grid. He might be able to nuance on how often Sarah has been threatened by Russia…you know …so close and all. Point being…Charlie G will b”told” by the McCain campaign what he can and cannot ask. Media is owned by major corporations and the “pundits” don’t have freedom to ask anything they wish. Don’t ever believe differently. Palin and her and handlers will probably get questions faxed to them ahead time.

Can you locals make sure she isn’t wired to give answers…you do know that isn’t out of the realm of possibility? Clue..if they can only film her from one side of the face (because the ear phone might show) and they can’t film her from the back….you know the rest of the apparatus…..duh

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Tammy…I agree with you, it should be Pat! He has the most bias views i’ve ever seen, with the exception of Fixed News.

I can’t believe they would do that!

7 09 2008
Viv

Sarah Palin has shown by her speeches, behavior and from comments from people who know her not to be very respectful of others. If she can’t take the heat she should get out of the kitchen.

7 09 2008
Mil

yeah Xero, I know what you mean.

What I meant was people who were believing all that and not trying to find out the truth were sheep. The people who are trying to know what the frick is going on… they are not sheep.

7 09 2008
willpen

AHiredGun (18:16:56) :

EVERYONE needs to contact ABC and put the pressure on the network to make sure Charles Gibson asks Palin the tough questions that need to be asked, and not a fluff interview. Have everyone you know flood the network with calls and e-mails. That might get ABC’s attention and force it to do the right thing.

Great point ! We should all start emailing ABC in mass asking them to be responsible journalists and not to give the people of this country another fluff piece. If Palin wants to play with the BIG KIDS she has to be able to take it on the chin as well.

EVERYONE…. PASS THE WORD AROUND !!!! EMAIL …EMAIL….EMAIL

7 09 2008
Chicago

Laurie in Canada:

Toronto may be a possibility!

If it take this long to prep for a fluff interview with Gibson, the question that NEEDS to be asked: how long do we wait for a VP debate with Biden?

Enquiring minds need to know!

7 09 2008
McSame

“ther is a report posted on http://www.drugereport.com

Spam link.

7 09 2008
tammy

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/60minutes/main4415771.shtml

Story on the interview with Bob Woodward that aired on 60 Minutes tonight. Eye opener to say the least.

7 09 2008
sosad

The difference between palin and pit bulls is pit bulls are not afraid of reporters

7 09 2008
angryxer

Reposting part of a previous comment here, trying to catch the early wave of a new post rather than getting lost somewhere in the hundreds of the last post…

Nine bows to AKMukraker for providing a haven of sanity for those of us seeking refuge from the latest GOP nightmare. I’ve been an avid reader since the Veep selection broke. And to all of you posters– I’ve never run across such an intelligent, witty community that makes me want to read every last comment.

What I really appreciated from the comments in the Palin Veep thread was how many people were talking about donating, volunteering, and/or registering to vote Dem for the first time. I can only hope you folks represent the numbers out there to counteract the new Palin devotees. I would love to hear more from moderate Republicans, Independents, and Christian values voters who aren’t falling for the Palin pander, and those living in swing states. I got a little teary hearing from the Vets out there, relieved to know that not everyone supposedly in the bag for McCain is getting duped by GOP lies.

I’ve been rotating nonstop this week between mudflats, andrew sullivan, the jed report, and fivethirtyeight.com. I highly recommend 538 for its polling numbers and analysis. I would really discourage any undue optimism about Obama’s chances at this point– McCain’s surge ahead of Obama in national polls today made my stomach turn. Yes, we could see the convention bounce slide back, but it is looking like a horse race, and we have yet to see the Republican attack machine come out in full force. Of course it will come down to state polling– who cares if McCain got a bump in red states– but we haven’t seen new state polls since the Palin announcement & GOP convention, so those of you suggesting there’s been no movement in swing states aren’t going on hard data, to the best of my knowledge. I will bet you that some of those swing states have become much tighter in favour of McCain. Not to say we can’t beat some of them back, but it’s going to take nonstop effort here on out.

We should all have learned from 2000 and 2004 that it’s not enough to assume people will come to their senses and listen to reason. We have to figure out ways to counter the GOP lies, yes, but in ways that appeal viscerally, not just intellectually, to voters. We’ve got quite the brain trust going on in this blog, so I welcome everyone’s suggestions on both of these fronts. I am of course praying for the Nat’l Enquirer to pull out a doozy of a scandal story, but unless they come out with proof on babygate, nothing is there but speculation. It’s the economy, stupid. And the supreme court. And the environment. And the war. We can’t let these two people wrapping themselves in the flags and maverickdom get away with the spin when their voting and policy records are atrocious and firmly in the pockets of Big Oil and special interests. Help!

7 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Can you believe a new cbs poll has us down 54-44. What is wrong with people?? I am not a poll watcher it’s just like watching water trying to boil but it just makes you wonder how this one person Palin can have such an effect on people. I am just stunned and amazed.

7 09 2008
verygoodteacher

Yes, write to ABC and demand tough questions. They won’t asked, but at least we can make a statement by clogging their mailbox. This is all beyond belief. Keep working for Obama. Bumper stickers on the backs, fronts and sides of cars! Every vote counts if the polls are correct. If not, we still can’t take a chance.

Thank you for this incredible site. I’m reading it several times a day and am passing it on to everyone I know.

7 09 2008
cc

Best thing to do is turn off the televisions. Watch it on you tube right after.

They are trying to get as many households to turn in as possible with a big rating for spoon-fed questions from Gibson

TURN OFF!!

7 09 2008
Cricket

I can’t believe this. Nothing this woman can do is a good right to you people. If she takes an interview, you gotta criticize it. If she knocks a speech out of the ballpark, it wasn’t to her credit. I can’t believe you can’t give this woman ANY credit. Where is the objectivity? Or open-minded ideals of the left? Can’t you acknowledge any good in her?

My God, never would I do this to Obama. He has been an incredible energizer and driving force for NOT just liberals, but for ALL Americans. I can see that and be fair and appreciate his charisma and gift. I don’t agree on his policies, but I am fair to him. I give him the benefit of the doubt, and instead of ignoring him- I tune in to almost everything he has to say to be fair and to intelligently pick the best candidate for all of America.

The only thing worse than ignorance is an unwillingness to understand and listen to your opponent. What are you so afraid of? People LIKE her? People appreciate her and all she has done in her public service career in Alaska? She is a very well received woman?

Give it a rest. How bitter and angry. All you can do is attack anyone who doesn’t share your opinion and platform. You fall right into the trap politicians use to mislead the American people to focus on petty, superficial matters instead of real, relevant issues. We always talk about how sad it is children may be raised in racist homes or with parents who bash and attack people different from them.

Give the lady a chance. Stop contributing to such hate and ignorance.

ANYONE who is promoting change in reform in our government is doing a tremendous thing at great risk to their future career. Why can’t we come together on this? Save your reservations for real issues, like economic policy or foreign affairs. Quit squabbling about how or who she is interviewing with.

Petty.

7 09 2008
Laurie

ABC…NBC…they live off ratings..no? How possible is it to organize and try to arrange for many ..(this would have to be a huge number) of people , switch to another channel during the interview with Charlie Gibson. Why should we have to watch drivel, and we all know thats what it will be . personally it would only get my blood pressure up I think.

Those news outlets need us more than we need them. Obviously this is true…they arent doing their jobs anyway.

7 09 2008
tammy

CC I can truly say I haven’t watched abc since they lost Monday Night Football.

7 09 2008
Laurie

Cricket…are you serious? Perhaps you could take your own advice and LISTEN

7 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Cricket, go outside and find a mate!!!

7 09 2008
fixthebroken

Is Charlie Gibson a softball artist? I would have been more impressed had her first interview been with Rachel Maddow, like Obama who gave an interview with Bill O’Reilley.

Anyway, these are some of the question I demand answers for:

1. Can you publicly state your position on abortion even in the case of rape or incest? And, given your position, will it be your plan to end legal abortions in this country?
2. Why did you say that the Iraq war was a war from God?
3. Why did you support the “Bridge to Nowhere” in your gubernatorial campaign, but now you say you oppose it? Why did you keep the money?
4. Why do you think continued tax cuts across all income levels will be a boon to our economy and reduce our record deficit? What proof do you have that this will work?
5. Why do you support the simultaneous teachings of Creationism with Evolution? Will you also then support other religious based teachings in the classroom, including Buddhism and Islam?
6. How do you reconcile being pro-life, but taking innocent lives (including pregnant mothers) in a war?

… I am going to think of some more, especially around foreign policy.

Somehow, I think the questions will be scripted.

7 09 2008
xero

@ regi

Yes, I sleep better at night knowing people like her and John POW McSame are not democrats too. If they were, they wouldn’t be so dishonest and angry.

7 09 2008
fixthebroken

Cricket, look at my questions and tell me if they are fair….those are the type of questions I think the American public deserves answers to — from ALL candidates!

7 09 2008
Laurie

lmao…cricket. Palin is not promoting change. Please do some research.

7 09 2008
Viv

Cricket

Palin hasn’t once stated her position on anything. Every speech she says are attacks on Obama or Biden. She is very derogatory and has insulted many people.

7 09 2008
HS

Respect, maybe–though I agree that Palin hasn’t shown any respect for Obama. But DEFERENCE? Since when are these Republicans our betters?

Can the McCain campaign even hear itself anymore?

7 09 2008
sosad

CRICKET ,, we all agree ,, let here write her own speech and lets here what she comes up with .. Oh wait they can’t let her do that .. Ok then ,, lets have some reporters ask her fair questions ,,, oh wait ,, they won’t let her do that ..
What do we give her credit for cricket ????? a hand over speech and silence ??

7 09 2008
tonya

Repeat of Election 2000? Interesting article and comments.

http://www.truthout.org/article/nearly-600000-voters-subject-possible-caging-ohio

7 09 2008
tammy

Another one would be : How diverse is the population of Alaska?

Alot of the bigger cities have to deal with gangs and gang violence. Have you had to deal with this while on the city council or as mayor?

Why did you sue the government to block the polar bears from being put on the endangered species list?

Why did you put down community organizers in your acceptance speech when it was community organizers that helped New Orleans recover from Hurricane Katrina?

Why did you switch so many colleges to get a degree in jounalism?

7 09 2008
Viv

How about that Georgia senator saying Obama & his wife are uppity. Now he apologizes that he didn’t know it was a racist comment. I can believe that from someone way up north, but from Georgia? How about Palin referring to Obama as Sambo? Was that a misunderstanding?

7 09 2008
sosad

The difference between Palin and Polar bears — bears eat reporters for lunch

7 09 2008
tammy

Its sneaky but a way around the change slogan is to have Obama file a patent on it. Then it would be listed as a patent pending thing.

7 09 2008
xero

@sosad

They share a pair, both gifted by KKKarl Rove.

7 09 2008
willpen

Please continue to spread the word about this great video, made by this brave young lady, who stood to up against Palin’s and the Republican bashing of Community Organizers. She already has over 33,000 views and over 400 comments. Spread this video around. Send the link to the MSM so that they can see and hear the truth from the ground up, right where all these “Community Organizers” work from.

Here is the link:

7 09 2008
Hannah

This is a new video of Palin with Ted Steves. Spread the word: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YptTFDsktVQ

7 09 2008
Lulu

Cricket writes: “The only thing worse than ignorance is an unwillingness to understand and listen to your opponent. What are you so afraid of? People LIKE her? People appreciate her and all she has done in her public service career in Alaska? She is a very well received woman?”

Cricket, I am not afraid of her at all. (In fact, I would love to debate her. I envy Joe Biden!) She’s a great boon to the Progressives/Dems/Independents and Swing Voters! She upped our donations 1000% to Obama. I LOVE her on the GOP ticket. Karl, if you are reading this, PLEASE KEEP HER ON YOUR TICKET. DO NOT LET HER PULL OUT. Nothing has energized some of us more than this woman. She brings swing voters to Obama/Biden in a way that nothing else could…

7 09 2008
Mayflower

Muckraker, hope your few moments of zen today were worth every second, but we all missed you! Help please: why is NYT’s purportedly fronting a story on Palin’s baby??? Why?? Please tell us there’s got to be more….

And those poor f’d up kids, any media working that angle? I’ve posted on other story there too. Just tucked my teens in bed, came down here to check posts — can’t stay away… Was thinking over the past house & put another 1 + 1 = 3 things things together that didn’t make sense last weekend on a site re the son, but now they sure do… (can email them if you’d like)

Boy, oh, boy, (no pun intended), do they ever! “Absolutely. Yup, yup.”

7 09 2008
protus

Hey hasnt given anyone else respect really.

I dont think giving her respect is due until she earns it.

7 09 2008
Mil

Sorry that you are offended Cricket, but you should look at the other posts Mudflats has. They are very informative and there are many links to legitimate sites so you can form your opinions there.

ps: We’re very offended by sites that are still raking over old muck thrown at Obama. Takes two to tango on this one.

7 09 2008
Mayflower

Whoops, typo… “was thinking over the past hour” not “house”

7 09 2008
sosad

Reporters run from pit bulls ,, plain runs from reporters ,,, makes her kind of low on the pit bull scale

7 09 2008
pamela

SP has already won the far right – I doubt that anything will sway their opinion of her. I suspect her main goal will to be to come across as just an “ordinary” American (as opposed to that “elitist” Obama) who is fed up w/ Washington, and Gibson will be most accommodating. With some luck, the GOP probably thinks they can sway others. A few scripted answers on foreign policy should be all she’ll need since being a hockey mom with a sharp tongue will surely be enough to take on Al Queda and Putin.

How sad.

7 09 2008
Cricket

You think Obama wrote his DNC speech?

Don’t lie to yourself. Be honest and fair. She has only been a running mate for a little over a week. Obama has been at this for months on end.

You are NOT being fair, and it is far more convenient to not acknowledge this information if you are a blind follower.

Hold your judgement for the debates. This is when we should really have a fair chance to compare and contrast the nominees. This is a good thing for the American public, and like it or not Biden and Obama are just as every bit being guided and consulted by their campaign advisors. They are ALL politicians.

7 09 2008
xero

@ Cynthia, TX

7 09 2008
Glenn2008

Just to ensure you do not get distracted from the real point, McCain. Some openly available information about “country first”:

you will find it interesting – akmucractker, would you considera parallel thread on this?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/browse_thread/thread/272da5ac78b7e377

7 09 2008
sosad

The difference between Al Qaeda and Palin — Al Qaeda talks to reporters

7 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Cricket: Obama did actually write his speech.

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

Cricket you are correct. Sarah Palin as a VP candidate, who could be a heartbeat away from being the leader of the most powerful free country in the world, is not acceptable. There is absolutely nothing Palin can do in next 60 days to be qualified to hold that position.

I don’t care if Palin can birth a baby every year , dress a moose and be a governor while riding a unicycle – she still isn’t qualified for the Vice Presidency of the USA, let alone the President !

7 09 2008
xero

Doublepost sorry:
@ Cynthia, TX

CBS is the network of old, white republicans [no offense to us ‘elitists’😉 ] They always poll higher.

Sarah is the new messiah. She brings the numbers (and the mooseburgers).

7 09 2008
fixthebroken

Cricket, it is an irrefutable fact that Obama writes the first draft of his major speeches and hones it with his team. McCain and Palin have first drafts written for them and they review it.

7 09 2008
tammy

Cricket it was widely reported that Obama was writing his own speech. That he even checked into a hotel to write that speech. So he wouldn’t be distracted. And it was also widely reported that the speech that was written for Palin was actually wrote ahead of time for a man. That speech that Palin gave was written by former Bush speech writers.

7 09 2008
sosad

CRICKET ,, The difference between Biden and Palin is Joe will talk to any reporter any place any time ..
Yes Obama can write he was head of Harvard law review .

7 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

I wish all you guys could have gone with me to the Power to the Peaceful Festival in SF yesterday. There was a great anti Palin “poem” and a 100,000 plus group Obama chant. I tried looking for audio of it to post, but have yet to find it.

Hope everybody had a good weekend!

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Cricket, you know nothing…and that is obvious! Obama writes all his speeches…please do your research before coming on this site!!

7 09 2008
fawnskin

an email going around:

Subject: Different outlooks (a must read)

The race is on and we have to make sure that McCain and that scary VP
candidate will never be in the White House.

If you’re a minority and you’re selected for a job
over more qualified candidates you’re a “token hire.”
If you’re a conservative and you’re selected for a
job over more qualified candidates you’re a “game
changer.”

Black teen pregnancies? A “crisis” in black America.
White teen pregnancies? A “blessed event.”

If you grow up in Hawaii you’re “exotic.”
Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, you’re the quintessential “American story.”

Similarly, if you name your kid Barack you’re “unpatriotic.”
Name your kid Track, you’re “colorful.”

If you’re a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you’re “reckless.”
A Republican who doesn’t fully vet is a “maverick.”

If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your
organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from
$70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President
of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive
that registers 150,000 new African American voters, spend 12
years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly 8
more years as a State Senator representing a district with
over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state
Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a
state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and
serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works
and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.

If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the
mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20
months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then
you’ve got the most executive experience of anyone on
either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska
military and are well qualified to lead the nation should
you be called upon to do so because your state is the
closest state to Russia.

If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with
millions of people you are an “arrogant celebrity”.
If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are
“energizing the base”.

If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself
and makes his own decisions you are “presumptuous”.
If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute
decisions you refuse to explain, you are a “shoot from
the hip” maverick.

If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are
“an elitist-out of touch” with the real America.
if you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals)
graduate of Annapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions
you are a hero.

If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign,
you are an “empty suit”.
If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you
are an “experienced executive”.

If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are
“extremist”.
If you believe in creationism and don’t believe global
warming is man made, you are “strongly principled”.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and
left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next
month, you’re a Christian.
If you have been married to the same woman with whom
you’ve been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful
daughters with, you’re “risky”.

If you’re a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22
hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention,
you’re an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of
your unborn child.
But if you’re a white married mother who waits 22
hours, you’re spunky.

If you’re a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing
press calls you “First dog.”
If you’re a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a
Republican, the right-wing press calls you
“beautiful” and “courageous.”

If you kill an endangered species, you’re an excellent hunter.
If you have an abortion your not a Christian, you’re a
murderer (forget about if it happen while being date raped.)

If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen
parents.
If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education,
including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding
the fiber of society.

If you’re a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in
an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the
Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election.
If you’re a Democratic Senator who is out of public
office and have an affair, your political career is over and
your wife who has terminal cancer is to blame.

And finally:

Quiz question for the RNC, specifically those on the Religious Right.

Who is one of the most revered, and famous community organizers in history?

JESUS CHRIST

7 09 2008
Viv

Cricket, ino VP has taken this long after being nominated to be interviewed by the press and give their positions. The more she hides the worse it will be. I definitely cannot imagine her as a backup president to McCain. If she can’t handle the press & voters questions she can’t handle foreign leaders. They will eat her alive.

7 09 2008
kimbers

My prediction?

Charlie Gisbson and the ABC cameras will be there as she sees her son off on his deployment and any interview will be about that and won’t be broadcast until after he’s gone.

Remember with the McCain and Palin ticket it’s Votes First.

7 09 2008
Mil

Cricket…

Obama did actually write his speech.

And Palin’s handlers admitted she wasn’t writing hers.

7 09 2008
Lulu

CRICKET writes: “You are NOT being fair, and it is far more convenient to not acknowledge this information if you are a blind follower.Hold your judgement for the debates. This is when we should really have a fair chance to compare and contrast the nominees. This is a good thing for the American public, and like it or not Biden and Obama are just as every bit being guided and consulted by their campaign advisors. They are ALL politicians.”

Cricket, hello. I have been to Wasilla. Have you? Why would I need to wait for a debate to make up my mind that this woman is not qualified to be VP just because a bunch of old men in the GOP say she is? Why do you need the approval of others to make your decisions for you? Why can’t you be okay with our decision-making process–if it’s faster than yours? After all, McCain advocates quick decisions. He said so in his 2002 autobiography.

7 09 2008
BobbyG

I have now been punked in the Photoshop arena. I humbly yield to superior talent:

7 09 2008
Zim

LOL….she is ready to be VP, or God help us…The Pres….but not ready to meet the press….

7 09 2008
John Henry

Republicans and military men on John McCain
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

7 09 2008
xero

@ Cricket

I see you got your official Sarah Palin talking points memo. Late, but better than never, yeah?

Call me (us) elitist (if you’ll grab your GOP buzzword dictionary, you’ll see that means educated voter), but when someone is this close to the Presidency (an important position, in case you didn’t know) we’d like to get to know a little about them.

Not her love of sport, or her moose recipes, or her love for her family. I want to know where she stands ON THE ISSUES. She has yet to answer a single, substantive question. That people can so easily be swooned by her is tantamount to cult mentality, and rather scary.

We deserve to know, as Americans. If you don’t believe that, shame on you, and your disdain for this great country.

7 09 2008
Cricket

Oh my gosh. I can not get over how petty this blog is.

Your quips may be cute to other hardcore liberals, but they do nothing to make you look like open-minded or fair. Or to attract the critical swing votes or border-line frustrated republicans that are out there.

As a registered voter with no party affiliation, I have to say I too am glad Palin joined the race, because for myself (and the many other moderates and unsure conservatives) I have decided to help campaign for the Mccain-Palin ticket, and the energy and attention she has revved up has helped push Mccain in almost every major polling organization to the top. O hope you donations can buy enough airtime to spread messages with the same attitude as the ones I see on here.

So, by all means, continue to heckle from the peanut gallery. You have successfully discouraged me from wanting anything to do with Obama supporters. You have inspired ME to go out of my way to campaign.

And I will do my part in sharing this blog with others like myself. So that others can see how unfortunately close-minded some liberals like yourselves are.

7 09 2008
nfromIN

“best thing to do is turn off the televisions. Watch it on you tube right after.

They are trying to get as many households to turn in as possible with a big rating for spoon-fed questions from Gibson”

thanks, that’s exactly what we will do here.

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

It’s only a matter of money for the networks — but a matter of freedom for the rest of us! I can easily click off the TV. TV ad revenue $$$$$…..I can look at the products advertised and refuse to buy them.

7 09 2008
MinNJ

Good one, fawnskin. Thanks.

7 09 2008
Lulu

Cricket, so sorry to see you go. It was so clear from your first posts how “open” you were to the Obama-Biden ticket.

7 09 2008
nfromIN

as for cricket, what would mccain say? “just static”

7 09 2008
Cricket

@Xero

I’m not sure if you read MY posts but I clearly favor Americans getting a chance to focus on REAL issues. Sneaky way to try and undermine my initial message.

You deserve the right to know about her, so how about you start by digging up her past debates? Articles? I have seen this woman debate, and let me tell you, Biden should be very well prepared.

And what is wrong with mooseburgers? Still can’t stop being superficial and petty. I have yet to hear an intelligent and open-minded response.

7 09 2008
tspey

Gibson? ABC should make a deal with CNN to have Campbell Brown hiding behind the desk to pounce Palin live! Have Campbell tucker her out in front of America.

Here is a scary thought from Huffington, McCain grandfather and father both did not live past 70. McCain is 72 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://tspey.wordpress.com/

7 09 2008
Smitty

Unless you want a repeat of the ABC debates where Charles Gibson asks stupid questions like the “flag pin” he did of Obama, please write to worldnews@abc.com and submit the questions you would like asked.

Suggestions:
Did you leave Wasilla in a deficit?
Why did you build a sports arena on disputed land?
Were you the head of Stephens 527 and why did you seek his endorsement when he was under investigation?

Don’t ask about babies or troopers!

7 09 2008
Lulu

Good luck with your campaigning, Cricket!

7 09 2008
tammy

Cricket you cannot be that naive to believe polls can you? They have been wrong the entire primary season!!! If polls were so reliable, why is Rudy not the republican nominee? And according to the polls, Clinton should had been the democratic nominee. Plus polls are based on a very small percentage of the actual voting block. Some polls are based on likely voters. And are you really that naive to think people actually tell pollsters the truth???? If you are then I have bridge that goes no where to sell you, bent steel from a collapsed bridge to sell you and the Brooklyn bridge.

7 09 2008
Rohit

Sarah Palin has shown by her speeches, behavior and from comments from people who know her not to be very respectful of others. If she can’t take the heat she should get out of the kitchen.

Rohit Gogia
Fastest-growing name in the SEO industry

7 09 2008
Mil

Well, Cricket, since Palin isn’t available for interviews, what on earth else are we supposed to talk about?

And you can try to rile us or guilt us, or whatever… But we’ve had better.

;D

7 09 2008
raingods

People like Cricket, like to say they’re open minded-as long as the minds they’re open to are in agreement with hers. The fact that Obama raised 10 million in a 24 hour period says far more about the intelligence of the American people, than those like Cricket who simply troll because they’re on the losing team.

7 09 2008
TH-WV

meatme (18:39:02) :

to akmuckraker —

can you give us some information about trigg’s involvement in vandalizing the buses and why he went to school in michigan for 6 months during his senior year
and does this have a connection to troopergate?
I have been trying to catch up on reading and came upon your post, so I skipped ahead to ask another question about the same.
The hockey season begins before the start of a school year. If this move for Track was ‘planned’ and to give him ‘exposure’ he would have started school in the host school when the season started. Did he start the school year in Portage or was he moved mid-season?

7 09 2008
Rohit

hellos

7 09 2008
Smitty

Actually McSame said on “Face the Nation” today that she was giving the interview to Gibson so it may have been intended to be anonymous, but that’s what I heard. Now back to the NFL & the Colts/Bears. Glad I didn’t pick Payton or Brady as my fantasy QB.

7 09 2008
BobbyG

@Cricket –

Come over to my blog and joust if you like. I’m no “liberal,” I’m an equal opportunity idiot-basher, I do my homework, and I don’t hide behind an anonymous screen name.

7 09 2008
nfromIN

ok the OH election thing on the huffington post is kind of scary. please check your voter registration people. is there any way we “swing staters” could post our name, address, and who we are voting for somewhere online to try to make things honest? it would probably be a nightmare, but i have no qualms about putting that info out there about myself if it might help.

7 09 2008
What would BAAL do?

The New York Times article about the Palin baby is up on their website now. It reads like Rove wrote it. Have your Pepto-Bismol handy!

7 09 2008
Lulu

Oh, and a month ago she was asking “What does the VP do exactly.” I’m sure Biden is trembling. (I think he’s up to speed on the VP job description.)

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

” critical swing votes or border-line frustrated republicans”

In reality, if you don’t know who you are voting for at this point you either have to be brain dead, or totally uninformed. The party platforms are clearly opposing positions.

7 09 2008
xero

@ Cricket

Your naivety is showing.

Yes, he does write his own speeches.

You say: “Obama has been at this for months on end.”

That is the point. He has been vetted by the citizenry, and has not been afraid to answer questions. He’s not been in a “media blackout” and his managers have never said “he’ll appear when we are ready for him to (or when you, thu public kiss his ass)”

Put on your American glasses, and look at it this way. At every turn of those ‘months on end’ he has faced rumors and lies (and then more) and has met them face on, with honesty.

When she can do that, and proves shes out for more than Sarah Palin, then she can ask for respect.

7 09 2008
tammy

I know Minnesota has same day registration.

7 09 2008
Mil

@ Cricket… go look at the other posts on this site. We have been all over her records and her views and now we are waiting for new intel. Pardon us for getting bored with the hashed and rehashed and rehashed again info that the GOP has let us have.

and go to http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

As for our peanut gallery, we like it just fine. If you want to see some truly evil stuff, go look at the ‘conservative’ blogs.

7 09 2008
xero

cricket

“I have yet to hear an intelligent and open-minded response.”

Because you aren’t listening.

7 09 2008
karen marie

hey cricket — you may have missed the memo but here in america citizens are all equal, those who choose to run for higher office do so as they wish but are obligated to pass the stink test, and the determiners of whether or not they pass are the citizens.

sarah palin CHOSE to drag her children into this. you may have noticed that the obama family chose NOT to drag their children in and they have continued to reside with their mother in chicago. sarah palin not only put her children squarely into what she knew full well would be a storm of attention but is using them as campaign props.

she has refused to do what every other candidate running for the office of president and vice president does — answer to the public, allow us to look in the drawers and inspect every minute aspect of their lives. i don’t remember seeing you out and about on the internet anywhere decrying the treatment that all of the democrats have received in this election or any past election. john kerry? purple bandaids? ring any bells?

give me a break.

the mccain campaign declared that sarah palin would not give any interviews until she is shown the proper respect and deference. yes, that’s right — deference. that is the language the mccain campaign spokesperson used.

excuse me? deference? who is kidding whom here?

sarah palin wants me and my neighbors to vote for her and her pal john mccain but she sneers at me and my neighbors’ work in our communities, she declares that i am not a “real american” and she refuses to account for her views or her past.

you say: “I can’t believe you can’t give this woman ANY credit.”

really? what is it that you think “this woman” should be given credit for? because i never heard of her before august 29 and i got to tell you, frankly, she has not made a very gracious debut.

you say: “Where is the objectivity?”

are you kidding? the press and private individuals are scrambling to find out who this woman is, what she has done in the past and what her views are while the mccain campaign does everything it can to throw roadblocks in the way rather than answering relevant questions from and on behalf of the people who are being asked to vote her into the second highest office in this country.

you say: “Or open-minded ideals of the left?”

last time i checked one of the “open-minded ideals of the left” was to ask questions, in an attempt to hold elected officials accountable and so that we don’t get suckered again like we did when george bush was “elected.”

you say: “Can’t you acknowledge any good in her?”

are you kidding? what are we doing here, voting for queen of the day? (for those who aren’t old enough, that was an old tv show where extremely pathetic people were made queen of the day and their family and friends paraded out on the show) re-read again from the top if you are still not clear to the answer to your question.

if sarah palin is such a tender little bud that she cannot withstand the rigors of campaigning, i sincerely hope that the closest she ever gets to the vice presidency is a public tour of the naval observatory (the official residence of any vice president), because she would be an unmitigated disaster.

i have had quite enough of an administration which operates in secrecy and rewards incompetence and punishes competence.

the better question is, who does sarah palin think she is that she can talk to the american people so disrespectfully.

7 09 2008
Sighter

“Deference and respect” are earned, not given.

7 09 2008
tammy

The article states the baby is 143 days old. Still doesn’t put the “rumor” to rest. It is still doable.

7 09 2008
John Henry

Did anyone hear the “ground noise” earlier?

7 09 2008
BobbyG

Interesting Palin comment on another Alaska blog:

“I am a Republican but I can’t vote for this woman. Regardless of her voting record or big oil I am concerned about her being a role model. Electing her would be telling my daughter that marriage doesn’t matter, God’s teachings don’t matter. And if she can’t run her family why do people think she can run the country? This is a disappointment, a HUGE disappointment. Don’t my fellow republicans understand what a mistake this is, the kind of role model this will be for our daughters? What this will do to marriage? We might as well legalize gay marriage because apparently nothing is sacred to us anymore except getting our team elected. I’m on God’s team, not this one and usually I’d go Republican because of the values they share but that is no longer the case. I will tell everyone this. Please stop and think.

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/

7 09 2008
sosad

CRICKET — I just donated 500 bucks to OBAMA ,, thanks for the push🙂

7 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Cricket: I think every poster here HAS focused on the REAL issues. A main issue is whether this woman is competent and ready to be president. If you have spent any amount of time here, you would see this issue has been addressed intelligently, critically and factually. I also think the people on this blog have shown great respect to those with differing opinions. However, the posters here also have a high BS IQ.

7 09 2008
xero

@cricket

Thank you for YOUR open-mindedness. If you cannot understand why a total unknown (articles and info on the web notwithstanding) is a scary proposition, you are already lost.

Lies, derogatory statements about community organizers, slams on patriotism, those are all okay with you, so long as they aren’t directed at your candidate.

Why are RIGHT to KNOW is being questioned is a twilight zone moment for me. I though everyone, no matter their party, believed in openness and honesty. I cannot believe I live in a country, whos rights have been degraded to the point that “you have no right to ask” is considered okay.

Wake Up!

7 09 2008
Corie

You all may have seen this clip already, but this seems like the right thread for posting it again. Ben Stein – conservative economist, game-show host, and actor – comments on who should tutor Palin:

“She should have Henry Kissinger babysitting her.” – Ben Stein

7 09 2008
slc

Cricket said:
“…You have successfully discouraged me from wanting anything to do with Obama supporters. You have inspired ME to go out of my way to campaign.
And I will do my part in sharing this blog with others like myself. So that others can see how unfortunately close-minded some liberals like yourselves are.”

You’re obviously a McCain supporter so don’t pretend to anyone here that you were actually undecided. As for those you share the website with, it seems likely you’ll be “preaching to the choir” so I doubt that your actions will make any overall difference there, either.

Perhaps, though, some of them will read the blog entries going back for month for themselves, follow up on the many valid news links & sources given here, and see for themselves that SP’s image as marketed by the RNC has little basis in reality, either as governor or as a potential VP.

7 09 2008
Ana Gama

Check this out in the New York Times:

Fusing Politics and Motherhood in New Way

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08baby.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

7 09 2008
Smitty

Made an error with the email address for Gibson. A little too wrapped up in the NFL. It is either charles.gibson@abcnews.com or worldnews@abcnews.com

Sorry for the error. Anyway, let the corporate media know that we know and we are watching. After the debates ABC was so inundated with protests that Stephanopolous basically was forced to semi-apologize. Gibson never did.

If we care about what is asked and how it is asked, now is the time to take action.
Ask the tough questions. Protest loudly and often. Or accept the consequences.

7 09 2008
unlikely_burrito

I am not so keen on having this Palin ( Jerry Springer type-family) held up like some ridiculous trophy. We don’t know the truth. We ask—-no answers. Tell us the truth…..answer the questions….then we can see if we feel the same way.

It’s just so much BS, that it makes the whole election out to be some sort of ill-conceived sham. (no pun intended)

7 09 2008
meleana

Folks: Don’t waste your time demanding balanced interview from ABC. Sponsors listen, networks don’t. Just. Reach. Out. and. turn. off. the TV.

Or, hmm. Maybe try nationwide boycott of all products peddled on ABC, and while you’re at it, empty your home of the corporate bounty they sell to you night after night. OOh I’d love to see ginormous flaming piles of gasoline soaked Swiffers, Viagra, Cheerios, Chevy trucks, or any of the stuff they peddle on ABC or any of the other so-called “news” networks, from sea to shining sea, and really get to what this is all about. A thousand points of light across the nation!

You’re asking for a better quality interview? Shut off the damn TV and stop supporting them. You won’t melt down without TV. I haven’t had one for 15 years and I managed to find you all here! Yay!

In a weird way I agree with Cricket, although I’ll correct her in that I don’t think anyone’s afraid of SP. I think the sentiment is like an old phrase my Dad used to say, “Don’t go wrestling with a turd, you’ll wind up smellin’ like shit too.”

7 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

Hey Cricket – we can talk about anything we want to here. Democrats are allowed to have a different point of view and criticize people.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Bye!!!

7 09 2008
sosad

CRICKET — every time you open your mouth I will donate another 100 bucks till I am maxed out .. SPEAK UP !!! You just made OBAMA 500 bucks🙂 ,,

7 09 2008
Diva

OMG! Bobby G- I cannot WAIT until McCain sees that picture of him being dominated by Sarah! He’ll blow a gasket!

7 09 2008
Cricket

Never did I say she shouldn’t be open to public criticism.

I merely suggested calling her a cheerleader and “mooseburger eater” and stewardess was far from intelligent criticism.

Maybe you didn’t read my posts? And if anything, Palin has said she is well prepared for a tough fight. She can stand the heat, its only when people try to defend her right to be judged over relevant issues do liberals snap back “if she can’t handle it she should leave.” That would be awfully convenient.

This blog is a page out of a typical relationship theory book. When something is lost, its far easier to be angry and not face the truth and fall back to others who offer you sympathy and a comfort zone. Others just like yourself. You have accomplished this very successfully, who thought I could have used this as an example in my human condition and sociology course? It’s easier to focus on petty, superficial matters to attack credibility and to demand more and more from someone, but the truth is, nothing this woman could do would make you happy, and you made your mind up about that right up front which is EXACTLY the blind, prideful ignorance I sought to point out.

You are putting words and ideas in my mouth and skewing my entire initial point.

7 09 2008
karen marie

apparently cricket has missed ALL internet traditions:

she says: “Biden and Obama are just as every bit being guided and consulted by their campaign advisors. They are ALL politicians.”

i presume, cricket, that you can read because you were able to post at least two comments. i would highly recommend you go back and review the past 18 months, at a minimum.

one of things you fail to understand, either willfully or through some terrible accident, is that one of the major differences between mccain and obama in this long campaign, through the primary and into the election season, is that obama is not “being guided and consulted by [sic] [his] campaign advisors,” he is running and directing his campaign.

yes, obama has speechwriters on his staff — every politician in high-elected office has them. but there is a major difference between having someone else write your speeches and then reading without knowing what they are in advance (a la mccain) and having someone else DRAFT a speech at your specific direction which you then edit before presenting to the public.

seriously, cricket, you really need to educate yourself with regard to national politics before you come around posting irritating comments. the internet tradition for what you have done here is what’s known as “concern trolling.” you have not added to the conversation, you have merely displayed your ignorance.

come back when you have something valid to contribute to the conversation.

7 09 2008
sosad

Don’t shut the TV off ,, turn the channel (remember ratings) I leave the damn thing on 24hrs a day

7 09 2008
Smitty

fixthebroken,
those are good questions. I included the contact info for Gibson. I suggest we copy campbell.brown@cnn.com, andersoncooper360@cnn.com, countdown@msnbc.com, abrams@msnbc.com and either the Times or Washington Post editors.

7 09 2008
Cricket

@Xero

she is not a total unknown. I first saw Sarah Palin speak years ago at her big for governorship when she began debating in Alaska. Maybe she is an unknown to you, but not to me.

7 09 2008
sosad

CRICKET __ That’s another 100 bucks I am donating to OBAMA ,, keep talking !!! Be right back have to donate🙂 ,, you have pushed me to 600 bucks

7 09 2008
Sue

Cricket –

Please don’t pretend that you were on the fence before you read all of our “mean” posts. In any blog or place where one can post comment, you’ll find a broad range of opinions, which is exactly what you have here. You can’t come to this blog and assume you can convince people to think what you think by: (1) characterizing yourself as the voice of reason (in several posts), (2) then expressing shock and dismay at how unfair WE all are, and (3) finally concluding that what we’ve said here has convinced you to work even harder for McCain/Palin (uh-oh, we better stop saying what we’re saying or we’re going to convince people like fair, even-handed Cricket to vote and work really hard for McCain and Palin).
No dice.

7 09 2008
stephanie

I posted a link on charlie gibson’s blog to the 06 vetting post on this site and it was removed from his my post a few hours later….what does that tell you! I’m sure he’s going to blow it. What a shame – he has a chance to put his country first, but I’m not holding my breath.

7 09 2008
pamela

Cricket, Honestly, there’s nothing wrong w/ mooseburgers. And like many blogs, some posts are superficial and petty – similar to Rush Limbaugh, I guess. I think you’re absolutely right – SP has energized the republican base and when I consider that an increased turnout from those voters might mean 4 more years like the past 8, it scares and concerns me. To be a bit more serious:

– McCain said that the most important criteria in naming a VP would be his/her readiness to become president. Even Charles Krauthammer doesn’t see SP this way.
– McCain touts SP as a reformer who eschews pork, but a close scrutiny of her record as mayor and governor does not seem to support that.
– McCain promised in his acceptance speech that he would take on Washington, and I believe version 2.000 might have – but his recent flip-flops on positions ranging from the Bush tax cuts to immigration make him appear to be a candidate who will instead bow to the positions of party leaders.

This is an important election. We should all take it seriously. When SP is immediately shielded from media scrutiny, not only does she not seem like a serious pick, but she opens herself up to scrutiny from other sources.

I’m curious, though – did you ever seriously consider voting for Obama, and if so, did the selection of SP as VP really change your mind? Or did the attacks on her qualifications just irritate you enough to vote for McCain/Palin? Because surely Obama has been the recipient of scurrilous attacks. For better or worse, politics is not for the meek.

7 09 2008
tammy

Have you even researched her religious views? She sounds like a carbon copy of Bush. If she can stand the heat then why not even answer some questions from the media? Why did the McCain campaign not like bloggers and the msm going through her record on the issues? She didn’t even know what the v.p. does and you think she is ready to lead?

7 09 2008
Cricket

I’m just pleased I’m getting so much attention. This is the limelight I always missed as a middle child🙂

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Cricket, is a liar! She wasn’t undecided in the first place…we should all just ignore Cricket!

7 09 2008
meleana

Cricket:

Glad you are viewing this through sociology course, sociology lens. Yesterday we had some discussion of the psychological dynamic at work here and the importance of understanding what appears to be a personality disorder in SP called narcissism. Engaging with these people is tricky– they are very charming and convicing but utterly unable to think critically and understand other people’s points of view. I’ve reached this conclusion about her because she is a dead ringer for a boss I had for two years. We just don’t want to see the narcissist in her glory– and that’s what Gibson will give her— not the jarring reality-check that these types need. You are making what appears to be a mistaken assumption that SP will desire and engage in true debate– but that does not occupy the world of the narcissist.

Thank you for clarifying your points. People are angry and upset about this.

7 09 2008
judi

Cricket,
Go to bed!

7 09 2008
Smitty

Stephanie,
Can you tell us where that gibson blog was? If you email and copy others, especially competitors, it kind of makes sensible things hard to ignore.

7 09 2008
Sue

Hey, Karen Marie – Didn’t know that there was actually a name for the stuff (“concern trolling”); all I knew was that it was irritating the crap out of me.
Thanks.

7 09 2008
sosad

CRICKET — Love you babe ,, I am up to 700 in donations tonight,, be right back another 100 just for you🙂
money talks

7 09 2008
nfromIN

please ignore “the small green bug” we have way more important things to discuss than to fall for that “repubbait’s” attempts at diverting our attention from the more pressing issues at hand.

7 09 2008
sosad

Everyone just follow me and make a donation in crickets name🙂 ,, so fun

7 09 2008
nfromIN

“Everyone just follow me and make a donation in crickets name🙂 ,, so fun”

great idea, i’m going to do it now.

7 09 2008
xero

Cricket, please explain one thing to me. If you can do it, logically, and with actual precedent, I will wholeheartedly offer an apology to you.

Candidate D says an off the cuff remark on a radio show about people being bitter, and it is national news, with people everywhere questioning his love for his country.

Candidate R denigrates a large group of hard working, community oriented people, whose only job is helping others, and she is lauded and praised for it.

Please explain the hypocrisy.

7 09 2008
meleana

Hmm, forgot about the channel-changing part, good point. Nobody keeps a tally on weirdo- non TV watchers like us.

7 09 2008
judi

most annoying thing about crickets is that noise they make

7 09 2008
tammy

Lol Judi!!!

7 09 2008
kimbers

Cricket-

I would like the opportunity to see Ms. Palin ‘stand the heat’.

I find it incredibly sexist that the campaign feels the need to shelter and protect her until she’s ready. There is no way they would have treated any of the men they were considering this way.

Whether I like Sarah Palin or not, the fact is she is being used strictly to generate votes.

The whole kit n’ kaboodle should be really, really offensive to every voter no matter which party you support.

7 09 2008
karen marie

“So, by all means, continue to heckle from the peanut gallery. You have successfully discouraged me from wanting anything to do with Obama supporters. You have inspired ME to go out of my way to campaign.”

hey cricket .. why lie? why claim to be an “independent” when it is so obvious that you are not?

you aren’t supporting palin and mccain because we’re mean, you were going to do that anyway, because you prefer sunny paliatives and empty promises to the hard realities of life.

funny thing about that though — life in this country could actually improve with an obama presidency, whereas a mccain presidency would bring us more of what we’ve had for the past 7 plus years. i personally think that more than enough people have already died. but i think most people in this thread understand only too well what republicans mean when they talk about “the culture of life.”

7 09 2008
xero

“she is not a total unknown. I first saw Sarah Palin speak years ago at her big for governorship when she began debating in Alaska. Maybe she is an unknown to you, but not to me.”

You are not all of American, and we do not have the benefit of your wisdom.

7 09 2008
protus

If she wanted to be treated with respect she started out on the wrong pretty foot.

Coming out like she did and basically mocking everyone else but the far right was a bad move that will haunt her and their campaign until the end.

She( They ) wanted a fight and used her to start it now shes going to get hit back and then some.

I can give her one thing shes good at popping out kids and thats about it.

You want to know something🙂

She has to answer all of these things coming up or they will lose.

So she better start talking openly and honestly with the american people and stop with the carl rove speeches.

Nothing better than frying a rookie in politics and the fry has just started.😀

Sarah Palin please step up and take it like Hillary would.

Oh I forgot She is no Hillary!!

ENOUGH!!

Obama/Biden!! 2008

7 09 2008
Smitty

All the time we spend trying to convince a village idiot can be better spent writing to the powers that be or contributing. Dissent is fine, spitting in the wind just makes ya waste time & effort.

7 09 2008
stephanie

I have emailed the vetting post to many people in the media…I’m starting to feel like a freak!

The blog is Charlie Gibson’s on the ABC website – here’s the link:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/charlie_gibson/index.html

I just don’t see how the media can overlook all of these things in Palin’s record — it’s not like it’s just one or two minor things that they can let her slide on. There’s stuff everywhere I look – and most of it seems to have a credible source. I know I’m preaching to the choir here…

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Good one Judi!!!

7 09 2008
sosad

Cricket — I made it an even thousand bucks to OBAMA just for you ,, see what you can get done when you try .. cha ching!!!! rack one up for OBAMA/BIDEN ….. I would not have done that without your help so thank you🙂 ,, now if you come back tomorrow I can max out …

7 09 2008
tammy

I was told about a new law regarding the foreclosures recently. And it has to be the big banks and lobbyists pushing this one. If your house is about to go into foreclosure and you sell that house to another company, companies that help people that are about to go into foreclosure, you can turn around and sue that company claiming “they charged too much”. And foreclosures are still going up. I saw more houses for sale today than I did last week. And no one in their right mind would put their house on the market right now considering the market is already over crowded with alot of other houses.

7 09 2008
Smitty

From crooksandliars.com on McCain’s temper

In a disturbing expose Sunday, the McClatchy papers joined the growing list of press, pundits and politicians raising a red flag about John McCain’s out-of-control temper. Following on the heels of the devastating revelations from the Washington Post in April, McClatchy documents many of the tantrums, outbursts and eruptions that continue to call McCain’s presidential temperament into question. And as Mitt Romney’s campaign revealed in January, those McCain tirades are directed at friend and foe alike.

Starting with an f-bomb hurled at GOP colleague John Cornyn, McClatchy details McCain’s long history of explosions, a record which led Mississippi Republican Thad Cochran to conclude “the thought of (McCain) being president sends a cold chill down my spine”:

There’s a lengthy list of similar outbursts through the years: McCain pushing a woman in a wheelchair, trying to get an Arizona Republican aide fired from three different jobs, berating a young GOP activist on the night of his own 1986 Senate election and many more.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to John McCain’s white hot temper.
(Read the rest of this story…) at crooksandliars.com

7 09 2008
Cricket

@Pamela

Thank you for acknowledging my message without attacking me. I appreciate the civility🙂

But in all honesty, I was very serious about voting for Obama and was asked to help campaign for him several months ago. A vast majority of my friends are liberal, and I surround myself with them because they keep me thinking and have a great attitude towards politics.

I live with 2 very outspoken democrats right now and a Russian exchange student, and I was the only person in my apartment to watch the DNC coverage, and in all honestly Obama had me choking up. When I turned of the tv that night I threw my hands up in the air and said “Mccain is so over. How can you compete with that?”

But, being an Alaskan citizen, Palin has been in the Alaska spotlight for years now. I have seen what this woman can do, and there is no coincidence she has such a high approval rating. I have never been a big Mccain fan, and he was a horrible pick on the choice of the GOP, but I think the new angle of the Mccain campaign (reform, doing away with the old order (much to the credit of Obama, his platform)) has got me so energized. Palin has an incredible track record for standing tough and strong, and I am very confident she will do that on capital hill. I trust in her leadership, and I do honestly think she has brought more to the ticket than meets the eye- I do believe she will impact D.C. and I want her to.

My frustrations have been silly jabs at her hairstyle… or people celebrating her misfortunes. Does anyone here not know a pregnant teenager? Hello? (now that would be out of touch with real life.)

I would never wish ill will upon the Obama’s. I just find anyone wishing ill will or saying such horrible things about someone over an election pathetic and disgusting. There are real issues here, and I think we should be humble and fair instead of ridiculing to sort our way through it.

7 09 2008
stephanie

Smitty – the blog post on charlie’s blog is the most recent – if you look at the comments, somewhere toward the end is mine, with the link to the mudflats post removed.

7 09 2008
BJA

Does anyone else have the sense that there’s a scandal out there that’s going to take this whole mess down?

I read the Seattle Times article today where they had read through three boxes of documents stored in Seattle that had been part of the lawsuit with the chief of police in Wasilla. I don’t think she was thinking about highter office and it was clear she was not writing for posterity. It makes me think that she was not as careful as she should have been with various decisions along the way and left a paper trail.

While I know I’m hoping for a scandal, my gut tells me one is out there. I don’t think it’s a baby scandal. It will be something else. What do you think?

7 09 2008
Smitty

Thanks Stephanie,

Good on you for doing the heavy lifting. I am in the process of checking out the blog & will take it a bit further with a phone call tomorrow to someone I know that works for the company.

7 09 2008
sosad

Pit bulls eat reporters ,, palin hides from them ,, hooray pit bulls ,,boo palin

7 09 2008
Cricket

sosad

I’m glad you credit me with your contributions. Now… where did that beer money???

I can’t say that I have thousands to donate myself, but… maybe your money will go to some pamphlets? Keep on trucking, dear boy.

7 09 2008
pamela

Cricket,

To add to Xero’s point, both Senators Obama and Biden, in their convention speeches, pointed out where they disagreed w/ Senstor McCain, but were generally respectful. This morning on the Sunday news shows, both were respectful of Governor Palin. Contrast this with the mocking tone of Gov. Palin’s speech. Respect should be the order of the day on both sides. But I do think deference should be reserved for when she runs for queen.

7 09 2008
protus

wait!! what was that thing McCain said about that Iraq veteran who was posting at his convention when he was speaking??

You remember the guy they drub out of there??

He called him back ground noise.

Oh dear cricket thats all you are to them if you havent realized it yet.

They just need your vote is all after they are done with that??

They will do what ever they want and sweep you aside just like they always do.

Just ask the gays they used in the 2000 election.

And the Veterans and Workers they used in the 2004 election.

If you are truely not one of them then I would st least start looking into things abit more seriously and stop looking through rose colored glasses.

Take a good look and dont just listen to anyone here or fox news or any of the others.

Look for yourself and discover the truth for what it is.

7 09 2008
tammy

Remember google saves everything. If you think we are not being open minded and being mean, then google the issues.

7 09 2008
Merle

Cricket, the noise and fuss about Sarah Palin and her childrens’ problems are beside the point. Her executive experience, whatever it may be, and her appeal to the christian right are likewise secondary issues.

She fundamentally falls short in three specific areas:

1) She is currently under bipartisan investigation for abuse of power in the situation known as ‘Troopergate’, and while she may delay or manipulate the proceedings to aid her vice-presidential ambitions, she looks unlikely to prevail ultimately.

2) She has shown contempt for 1st Ammendment freedoms through her various attempts to either ban books outright or to force libraries to provide personalized information and lists on what citizens read.

3) She plead no contest to a felony charge for operating an illegal drift net operation in federally protected fisheries in Bristol Bay.

In the first case 1) she will counter with imagery and revelations that paint her ex- brotherinlaw as a brutish, rogue cop. In case 2) she will cling to the straw man argument that she’s protecting the rights of parents to educate or not educate their children.

Case 3) – she’s sunk here. No one with a felony on their record will ever gain executive office, and there is nothing she or her handlers can present that will counter the horror imagery of endangered whales, dolphins, seals and turtles entangled in an illegal drift net, struggling, dying, dead.

7 09 2008
AHiredGun

Cricket: If you think what you are reading here is bad, you need to check out the conservative and neo-con blogs. What is being said about Obama is downright defamatory! I think what people here are mad about is the nonstop lies being spoken by the GOP, especially Gov. Palin as the GOP’s new attack dog, and then failing to appear before the press to answer the tough questions that need to be addressed. Also, please don’t tell me that she will do so with ABC, because the GOP will script every appearance she makes. I know you are trying to be sincere, but I must say you sound very naive. Sorry if this offends you.

7 09 2008
Cricket

Well, I suppose I should donate another $100 to Obama. So. here it is

7 09 2008
What would BAAL do?

“Quick, Henry! The Flit!”

7 09 2008
Cricket

And to think people would openly admit I’m an annoyance. To openly admit i’ve struck a chord. Now, what did my mom always say… “Don’t let them know they’ve gotten to you. It will only empower them.”
🙂

Ka-ching.

7 09 2008
meleana

Geez, Cricket, did you even listen to Sarah Palin’s speech? Obama has you choking up and Palin didn’t make you want to puke?

7 09 2008
AHiredGun

Merle, I may be wrong, but I don’t think she plead to a felony, and if she did, it had to be some type of deferred sentence. Otherwise, Palin could not have been elected governor.

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

When will the new edition of the NE come out? I want to go and purchase it.

7 09 2008
nfromIN

“Merle, I may be wrong, but I don’t think she plead to a felony, and if she did, it had to be some type of deferred sentence. Otherwise, Palin could not have been elected governor.”

here is one scandal i don’t know about. but i’d like to know more about this issue. will someone point me to a thread/website or give me a quick recap of what happened?

7 09 2008
tammy

LetsGetREal, it already is out. I saw it in the store today.

nfromIN, check out smokinggun website.

7 09 2008
sosad

Cricket – Anytime ,, glad I could help .. sorry don’t drink ,,I donated all my beer money .. I think what you are not getting here is we are all T-D off that palin will not talk to reporters .. You don’t think that’s a problem with a person that could be president ??? Why can’t she ?? give a good reason for that . She and they state over and over how much experience she has but it’s not enough to answer questions .

7 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Cricket proves the old adage: Never argue with an idiot. They pull you down to their level, then beat you with experience

7 09 2008
protus

you are not an annoyance😉 merely an amusing event😀 here.

7 09 2008
Mil

Cricket… I personally do not wish any ill will on the Palins, and I feel a deep sympathy for Bristol.

But I do not like Palin. I do not trust her. I do not like her views. I do not like the things she has done in office.

I am prochoice, for gay rights, for the teaching of evolution, against the sort of earmarks she was neck deep in, appalled at the sort of powerplays she has made that are on record, and I am related to Pentecostals so I know what her religious views may well be in addition to the speeches she has given at churches. The Dems even made a 63 page vetting report on her in 2006 that outlines several things about her that I just can’t get past.

Have you seen her speech at the RNC? That was the meanest, most descpicable thing I’ve ever witnessed. I cannot vote for someone who acts like that. Much of the rancor you see here can be traced back to that speech. We are incensed. And motivated ourselves to keep her out of office by spreading knowledge that hasn’t made it to the main stream media.

7 09 2008
Cricket

No, I thought she was incredible. Why would I have puked?

I know half of you want me to leave so you can all get on patting yourselves on the back for doing such a great job… agreeing…with eachother???

But I just keep getting so many dang-on responses🙂 Why would I want to leave?

7 09 2008
HamletsMill

Regi (18:30:09) :

You people are really losing sight of the main point here. She’s not a Democrat !! That’s enough to keep me sleeping at night for the last eight years😀
————————————–

Regi,

If I read your comment right you feel your NeoCon/TheoCon Republican President/Vice President has kept you safe over these last eight years? Did I get this right?

The history of my family and relations between the United States of America and Afghanistan go back over 40 years. I have kept quiet about this on here and I will only post a few things from time to time when I think I can because their are still lives at stake and I have to be careful. I have two family members who have been on the ground in Afghanistan for the last 7 years. My brother-in-law was on the first U.N. charter flight into Kabul hours after the shooting stopped. These two family members along with a staff of very dedicated American, Canadian, Japanese, and Pakistani nationals and over 450 Afghans ran the entire medical relief effort for the United States of America in the Afghan War. Their project was mentioned by President Bush in two separate State of the Union Addresses. I hope my sister writes a book when this is all over. She is livid. They eventually got medical assistance at the village level to over 9 million people. But the story of the eventual complete mismanagement of the Bush Administration of this project has never been covered by the Corporate MSM like everything else that has happened in Afghanistan. Overtime I will tell the story of what happened here on Mudflats as an exclusive as my sister is comfortable. That time is very near because they are coming back to the U.S. early next year. Some powers that be are working on getting them considered to be advisers on NEW Afghan policy based upon their expertise on the ground if their is a new Democratic Administration.

If you knew what really went on in Afghanistan the last eight years (yes even before 9/11) with this completely incompetent Administration, you would NOT have slet well at night. No one in my family has. Especially my now 87 year old Mother who worried every day about her daughter in harms way. Both of them are not amateurs. They are born and raised here where I live, but they both speak fluent Farsi and Dari. They are not amateurs or white paper hacks. At some point they will talk the sorry, sorry tale.

You don’t know s**t about what happened over the last eight years at least in Afghanistan. And neither do most Americans. Only the people there on the ground OVER TIME know the full story of the mind bending mismanagement and lost opportunities that now may be lost forever. It is very late in the game.

7 09 2008
sosad

STOP IT cricket ,, I did not want to max out my donations tonight !!!!
Can I get some help here people ??? donate ,donate

7 09 2008
John Henry

Ana Gama (19:36:30) :

I just read the NY Times story about Trig. Its obviously a story to address the Trig rumors. It left me with the impression that ‘She’s damn good at hiding stuff even from her kids.’ That still makes me uncomfortable. You kinda of think what else is she good at hiding

Also, maybe its just me but

1) you think maybe they considered getting an abortion and thats why they hid it

2) plenty women work while they are pregnant very few of them are governors. She’s already mom and governor according to the article, why would she then need to hide it so that people wouldn’t think she wouldnt be able to do her job? I mean she’s the boss. If she is so tough and she stood up to the old boys network I would think that she show her pregnancy and also let every know that just because she’s preganant, it does not mean her brain has gone soft.

7 09 2008
BJA

Cricket — Watching Palin operate in Alaska is one thing. The state has a unique situation with oil, for instance, that simply doesn’t have any bearing on the lower 48. While I appreciate that she may be doing a good job there in the springtime of her 1st term, that doesn’t translate to the big picture.

The US is facing some huge problems. It’s going to take some serious brain power to get the thing moving in a different direction. I have not seen anything from Palin’s positions that tells me she is a great creative thinker or that she understands the virtual cornucopia of problems we’re facing. Our solutions are going to take more thought than throwing money back at residents from a bursting coffer. I have seen nothing in all her experience as governor that tells me she knows what to do when the revenue isn’t there. I do not accept the premise that her experience as a small town mayor translates to the experience required for the VP of the US.

The world is a complex place. Just from foreign experience alone, Joe Biden is that hand’s down best pick for VP. Watch his interview today with Tom Brokaw. The proximity of Alaska to Russia has been cited as her foreign experience. Watch the interview and tell me if she has that level of understanding that he displays in just two minutes. Ask yourself when you watch that interview if that’s not the #2 person you’d like to have in charge if the need arose.

I have no question that Palin has been viewed as a great governor. She knows your state and its problems. It is simply not the same nor can I be convinced that it is.

7 09 2008
J T

Cricket, I’ve been off the board for a few hours, and just now reading your posts. I was not for Obama or McCain. I have been on the fence for some time. I was waiting to see who McCain was going to choose.

But I am defiantly going Obama Biden now.

Occasionally our posts on this blog veer off into the twightlight zone, yet most are very thoughtful and not petty, as you seem to think.

I have a couple questions for you, seriously. Can you answer them, please?\

1. Does it bother you that Sarah Palin tried to censor books? Do you care if she tried to infringe on a First Amendment Right?

2. Does it bother you that Sarah Palin condones shooting wolves from planes, which is a very very cruel practice. The animals run to exhaustion, until shot. Most hunters say it is cruel.

7 09 2008
Mango

If the McCain/Pailin ticket gets elected what will Sarah Pailin’s function be. She certainly is not a Washington insider, like Cheney, and doesn’t have much if any Federal policy experience. She appears to be a firecracker and will not be satisfied being a pet “attack dog”/rose garden tea party host. She can claim they couldn’t have won without her giving her some leverage. If she gets snubbed and becomes angry could it be possible she will start whistle blowing on the Republican party like she did in Alaska?

7 09 2008
protus

exactly! screw her shes not a democrat and shes a hard right winger thats enough to not vote for mccain.

7 09 2008
Smitty

Stephanie,
I just read the blog, posted on it and it was overwhelmingly skeptical and downright critical of Gov. Palin. I will see later if my post stays up.

Rhett,
good adage on idiots. I can’t engage in stooping, I’ve never had back problems and don’t want to start stooping now.

7 09 2008
HamletsMill

Sorry for my typos on “their” for “there”. I am tired. And I guess i got a little riled up. Sorry. Goodnight everyone!

7 09 2008
sosad

Fricken a people crickets the life of the party ,, Donate ,donate

7 09 2008
protus

Mango (20:14:41) :

If the McCain/Pailin ticket gets elected what will Sarah Pailin’s function be. She certainly is not a Washington insider, like Cheney, and doesn’t have much if any Federal policy experience. She appears to be a firecracker and will not be satisfied being a pet “attack dog”/rose garden tea party host. She can claim they couldn’t have won without her giving her some leverage. If she gets snubbed and becomes angry could it be possible she will start whistle blowing on the Republican party like she did in Alaska?

oh I would place money on that.

problem is they would cover it up and flush her so fast her head would spin right off its pretty little neck😉

7 09 2008
LaughingAt...

that ny times article is pathetic

7 09 2008
drchill

Cricket –

If you’re still there.

Many of us have entered here open minded and wondering who Palin is, where she comes from, what she has done, what people who know her say about her.

Its been a lot hard work over a few days.

I entered this with an open mind. I watched a LONG walking interview with her, and I’ve said. I kinda like her. She reminds me of some of my eccentric religious friends. ( 1st impression )

I have made up my mind about her. I’ve earned it, and frankly I think I can joke about her.

I made the bride of Frankenstein remark earlier.

This goofy banter isn’t how I made up my mind its something, I’ve earned after reading 60+ pages of her vetting document, and finding out by real -research- what info about her is false and what is true. EG:
Cut sex ed funding true
Cut special needs funding – false

If we wanted a slanted sloppy and superficial blog we wouldn’t be here.

So when I quip:

ITS ALIVE : Visions of the bride of Frankenstein

It may not seem funny now, but the more HARD work you do the funnier it will seem.

When you dig in you may find that there’s more to be offended in Palin than in our remarks about her.

I suggest you start with earlier posts by this blogs author, and read and read.
Take your time.

7 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

I love cricket. The chirping lulls me to sleep.

7 09 2008
7 09 2008
protus

anyone else notice the hypocracy from the right wing regarding all of this lately??

this video shows it plain and simple and its funny too!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=Sarah-Palin-Gender-Card

7 09 2008
siren

Gibson is the type who probably believes middle class includes those making under $5million. So these two should get along swimmingly. Softball anyone???

7 09 2008
Mil

lol, sosad, Cricket is just helping us sharpen our teeth, it’s been a while since we’ve had a challenge, what with the lack of new info on Palin.

I’d donate, but I’m broke. I am going to work at a booth for Obama at my towns parade in about a month though. Feel better?

7 09 2008
Merle

AHiredGun,

Palin Drift Net case – Alaska Criminal History Records, Case # 3DI-93-00249CR0001

Under Alaskan law, a person who is legally registered to vote may run for state office. Persons who have fulfilled sentence/parole/probation requirements are allowed to vote.

7 09 2008
Smitty

Sample of the entries on Charles Gibsons blog – by no means the hardest hitting.

Mr. Gibson, you should be profoundly insulted to have been fingered as the least competent and softest touch on the media board. Your work in the past has been of decidedly low brow and mediocre, even cowardly caliber. Here is your opportunity to show the rest of us journalists that you actually have a soul, nail this religious zealot and small town crypto fascist for what she is, but do it with facts and questions. Can you do that? Here in the betting pool the money says that you will pimp it for an easy ride in hopes of landing the first White House interview. But, maybe that’s just jealous journalists.

Still email him and his competitors.

7 09 2008
drchill

Just a thought.. If elected Sarah will probably be the first to declare McCain unfit for office. Too many senior moments or whatever…
Back-stab much?

THEN THE BIBLICAL END DAYS…

Sorry its speculation but I had to share that …

7 09 2008
sosad

crickets have nice tits ,,,, OMG I’m going nuts !!! good night people ,, smile and donate🙂

7 09 2008
Minimlst

And the “undisclosed location” torch is passed to the next generation of Rove politicians. The fact that she wasn’t ready to be interviewed on “day one” after the convention speaks volumes (volumes that she, no doubt, would censor). Charlie Gibson??? Softballs for sure.

7 09 2008
Gina

Clearly Obama meant “Muslim” to be a hypothetical. Still, the media will pounce.

7 09 2008
meleana

Mango-

Count on it. “If I’m going down, then they’re going down with me.” Remember, the narcissist must make everything, absolutely everything, about her. They don’t like to go away quietly.

7 09 2008
miserable_in_red_state

It’s true about Palin’s interview and MSNBC’s decision on Olberman and Mathews. Please email ABC News and MSNBC with your opinions, objections. This is just not right.

7 09 2008
AHiredGun

Merle, did not know that; not a lawyer in Alaska. However, that sounds very surprising that a felon who has not had the conviction expunged could run for office. Pretty unusual.

7 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

“1) you think maybe they considered getting an abortion and thats why they hid it”

yes and also having the child born in alaska might be important for her because of her association with members of the AIP that her “husband” is a member of.

so let’s put the trig rumors to rest shall we? i don’t think they serve a purpose unless there is hard evidence she broke the law. from what palin herself has said, i think we can conclude she showed poor judgment by not going to see a physician before her flight or after her first leg of the flight or right when she landed in alaska. let’s move on.

thanks for the heads up on smoking gun website, i’ll take a look at it.

curious if my avatar will change since i changed my name, let’s see.

7 09 2008
Gina

Didn’t she plead down to a lesser charge?

7 09 2008
sosad

One more for MIl — work in a booth is every bit as good as cash ,, Thanks🙂
I’ll donate 100 in your name

7 09 2008
Ana Gama

Cricket,

IMO, a lot of the wary feelings of many people about Palin is due to the fact that until Aug 29, she was a total unknown to the vast majority of Americans. Upon her introduction, it was natural that in these days of Google and the internet, people would start looking for what there is to find. And unfortunately, some of what has been found differs greatly from what is being put out my the McCain campaign. And that stirs people up.

I agree that the debate will be a enlightening event. But it won’t be enough. We are hiring a President and Vice President, and the American voters are the employer. It’s preposterous that the McCain camp has suggested that she will be available to the press when and if she is ready. Again, we are the employer, she and McCain are the employees. The normal way that we see candidates is through answering questions of the national press. That is their role in a democracy, and is not something that an applicant for one of the highest offices in the land should attempt to undercut.

After 8 years of the Bush Administration being the most secretive in the history of the country, the stance the McCain camp has taken rubs a lot of people wrong, including a lot of conservatives.

7 09 2008
Diva

This will cheer you all up! The looks on McCain’s face are priceless!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/7/18118/46765/597/590282

7 09 2008
Cricket

Well I’m glad you asked. My best friend is a lesbian, the only roommate I have ever not liked was a pentecostal (who about tore me apart as often as she could because I’m catholic and I feel religion is personal and we have a right to celebrate whatever faith we may decide) and I have never been completely against abortion. I believe there is a fine line between encouraging responsibility with sex however, but I have never been able to see eye to eye with people who think abortion is heinous crime… I wasn’t raised in an environment where some conservatives grow to believe liberal woman get abortions with big grins on their faces and as often as some buy packs of cigarettes. I think we have more in common than you may want to admit.

But I think her speech was defending herself and I didn’t see it is dispicable. I think, where her experience was questioned, she shot right back at Obama’s. There is NOTHING wrong with being a community organizer, and conservatives who keep jumping on the comment and sticking their tongue out at Obama should be ashamed. And they are not bringing intelligent debate to the table. We all know Obama has a tremendous amount of experience, and I do think he has enough experience (and drive) to be a president.

There are just some fundamental differences in political opinion I have. I’m pretty dang socially liberal, but… I have a hard time with old liberal fiscal logic. We live in a capitalist society for instance. Increasing tax on the wealthy means NOT that the rich will pay more into the government… that money will (always has and will continue to) get passed down the the lower and middle class. I can’t get beyond that. We would have to change so much more in policy regarding large corporations and more transparnecy and hidden profits than that. Those are some ofmy issues with Obama’s platform, but they are not personal. They are legitimate and civil. And merely a different opinion in economics and such. I am always wiling to open up and listen to different ideas on how our businesses should be regulated though. And I think everyone should be.

7 09 2008
Liss

I do think that it’s time Trig was left out of it, and Bristol mostly left out of it. Just a slight reference to her on Palin being against choice and against sex ed. Other than that, let the poor girl be. She’s got to be in emotional tatters anyways.

7 09 2008
Mil

Note: My avvie didn’t change. (Was Liss for a sec)

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Nate….relax…it’s not over!!!

7 09 2008
Merle

AHiredGun – “Pretty unusual.”

I agree. Nevertheless…..

7 09 2008
protus

Ok just watched the video and he basically was trying to explain that mccain has not brought up anything about his having a muslim faith.
Or that McCain has not accused or attacked him on that issue or tried to tie him to it.

Of course we have the guy interviewing him interupting and correcting something that wasnt a mistake in the first place. The guy was cutting him off in the middle of saying something every 5 seconds. Thats a tactic used by the media to force mistakes or interupt thoughts.

As a matter of fact I would say ABC will not act the way they did in that interview when they interview Palin.

Her interview will be like this.

Hi let me ask you A

Answer A

ok now let me ask you B

Answer B

as for question C

Answer C

thank you and I hope you win.

ABC is not better than FOX at this point😉

7 09 2008
Sarah from CA

I kinda get where Cricket is coming from, but to flip to the other ticket simply out of spite for the mean liberals seems silly. At least do it for the right reasons.

The thing is, Cricket, when Hillary was running in the primaries, how many stories were there about her pantsuit, or hairdo, or any other such pointless thing? A TON. And if you go back and look at the media and the GOP, they were telling her that if she wanted to play with the big boys, she had to learn how to deal with all of the scrutiny. No one was shouting about sexism then, just now, and for nothing, if you ask me.

I think her daughter is getting so much attention because Palin believes in abstinence only, which clearly didn’t work for her own daughter, so since SexEd is something she wants to change, how can you NOT look at the home front? When Jamie Lynne got knocked up, everyone blamed the parents. When Bristol gets preggers, everyone praises the parents, it’s kinda ridiculous.

The media blackout bothers me personally because Sarah seems to think she deserves special treatment from the press, when none of the other politicians get to say, “I’m not taking until I get some respect!” Especially since Sarah Palin hasn’t shown much respect for anyone in the last week, IMO. I mean, if she can’t handle 1 week of this, how will she handle 2 more months, and then if she’s elected, how will she handle REAL pressure from foreign leaders and terrorists, etc.?

I mean, let her come on TV and prove to me that she’s fit to lead. And that means taking hard questions and not hiding behind your gender. It’s tough out there for women — you gotta be tough in return to prove you’re worth fighting for, IMO.

7 09 2008
Nate

The Palin pick was genius mobe by McCain, seems like she has all of BO attention and he things he is running against her.

Sadly, I hope something changes, but I see a landslide BO lost.

7 09 2008
Mil

Awh, thanks Sosad! 🙂 I feel it’s important. I live in southern Illinois. In a rural area. Rather republican here. I want to help balance that.

7 09 2008
Merle

Gina – “Didn’t she plead down to a lesser charge?”

She plead down to a lesser felony.

7 09 2008
karen marie

cricket asks: “Does anyone here not know a pregnant teenager? Hello?”

yes, cricket, now we ALL know a pregnant teenager, and her name is bristol palin.

my preference is that there be fewer pregnant teenagers. given ms. palin’s very clear stance on abstinence-only “sex education” and anti-choice position with regard to abortion, were she and mccain to be successful, we would ALL know a lot more pregnant teenagers, few of them having the advantages that bristol palin with respect to parents who are wealthy enough to support her and the child.

is that a simple enough answer for you?

and please, stop pretending you were ever an obama supporter. i’ve been around long enough to know a concern troll when i see one.

7 09 2008
tammy

Also Palin did say that Hillary should quit whining. So her supporters should take her advice and quit whining.

7 09 2008
protus

She plead down to a felony???

um wheres this info??

7 09 2008
Gina

Cricket:

How’s this for liberal fiscal logic? Historically, the stock market performs better, with less volatility when Dems are in office.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/21/markets/election_demsvreps/

7 09 2008
Sarah from CA

Woo, lots of typos in my post, sorry. It’s late!😉 P.S. to Cricket: okay, at least you’ve stated your reasons, I can respect that, even if I don’t agree with it.

7 09 2008
kimbers

Hardly Nate.

Even the Washington Times recognizes it as a slip of the tongue, and then has this in the 3rd paragraph:

‘But illustrating the difficulty of preventing false rumors about his faith from spreading, anti-Obama groups within one hour of the interview had sliced it out of context and were sending it around via email. ‘

Viral out of context emails among those who have already have deluded themselves that Obama is a Muslim to the point that there is no way to convince them otherwise, is not a problem.

This centipede is not going to have too many legs this time.

7 09 2008
mde

Merle – Are you saying Sarah Palin is a convicted felon?

7 09 2008
J T

One of the things that makes me uncomfortable about this fundamental Christian Political movement is that they are all focused on the end of times. So they don’t really care about our future, our children’s future or the environment.

They think they just need to go out and convert everyone, with no consideration to nature or the future, and then Jesus will arrive and give them all kinds of rewards.

It is not much different than those 72 Virgins.

7 09 2008
Rhett O'Rical

Re: the Palin “choice” issue and her daughter. i posted this earlier but it is so hard to keep up with all ya’ll i will post again what i think is a good analysis by an M.D.

http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2008/09/05/sarah_palin_down_syndrome/index.html

7 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

“Merle, did not know that; not a lawyer in Alaska. However, that sounds very surprising that a felon who has not had the conviction expunged could run for office. Pretty unusual.”

a mayor in providence RI went to jail-buddy cianci and according to wikipedia:
He would be eligible to run for mayor of Providence again in the year 2012, three years after his probation ends (due to the provisions of the 1986 Rhode Island constitutional amendment, aptly named “the Buddy amendment”

so i guess this is state by state?

7 09 2008
Gina

re: felonly

My bad. Seems the claim is it was a violation that was “mistakenly” entered into the system.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=823021

7 09 2008
John Henry

I notice the Alaska legislature – the smallest in the country – only works 3 months a year. Does Governor Palin work all year? It makes a difference if the 1.5 years as governor is actually only 5 months of experience.

7 09 2008
Mil

Cricket, I think that maybe you should look up statistics on the spending that was done under the Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush administrations. Did you know that Clinton, who was a ‘tax and spend liberal’ was the only one to leave us with a budget surplus? I’m sure you are aware of the debt our country is currently facing.

I’m sorry that I don’t have a link at the ready. I’ll nose around for one.

7 09 2008
tammy

Didn’t the mayor of Washington D.C. get thrown in jail? Can’t remember the guys name. And didn’t he later run for city council or something like that?

7 09 2008
Cricket

Uhm… did you just say something about my “tits”?

I think you just surrendered any merit in this discussion.

7 09 2008
Gina

Marion Barry – DC Mayor

7 09 2008
Cricket

Well… I never brought up the Bush administration. I didn’t vote for Bush. And I think he deserves the title as least popular president in history.

Why does my point keep getting led astray?

7 09 2008
7 09 2008
J T

Come on Cricket….answer my 2 questions.

Or are you like Palin?

7 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

“Awh, thanks Sosad!🙂 I feel it’s important. I live in southern Illinois. In a rural area. Rather republican here. I want to help balance that.”

hey melissa i’m in southern indiana so i know exactly what your talking about!

7 09 2008
Mil

Cricket, I didn’t mean to least it astray, that was to illustrate that the spending types that represent the past could reflect the future.

7 09 2008
tammy

I actually ran across a post one time where this person said Bush would go down as the best president in history. He wasn’t just drinking the koolaid, he was injecting it.

7 09 2008
Cricket

Wait, what were your 2 questions?

I have a lot of people asking me things. One at a time, please🙂

7 09 2008
protus

klol you go to a blantant liar’s forums to dig up truth??

hehe hannity ‘Jane’ is the biggest liar in the media at this point.

7 09 2008
Mil

Both Bush’s claimed to be fiscal conservatives… like John McCain. It goes right down to proposed budgets. I like Obama’s better. It has money for education and healthcare in a stark contrast to McCain. He wants to spend no money on Education. That got my attention even more than how much he wants to spend on the military.

7 09 2008
Cricket

Ahhhh Entourage just premiered. I gotta go watch it.

Sorry. I’ll be back to cause ruckus in the future. You can count on it.

7 09 2008
Gina

You saw my quotes around “mistakenly”.

7 09 2008
sosad

Criket – it was show on how well you pay attention ,, I said crickets have nice tit’s NOT YOU ,,, kind of like I sold a jet on e-bay ,, no offence to you or your tit’s ……. just read the whole story

7 09 2008
karen marie

“Increasing tax on the wealthy means NOT that the rich will pay more into the government… that money will (always has and will continue to) get passed down the the lower and middle class.”

cricket, really, you need to get out more. “trickle down” economics was debunked at least ten years ago. i’ll let you go and do the research, my patience with educating you is wearing thin as you appear to be willfully ignorant and overly willing to assert things as fact which are patently not true.

earlier today, in a different thread here at mudflats, someone commented about the absence of trolls and how pleasant it was. their prediction was that it wouldn’t be long before they started popping up. whoever the commenter was should get a star on their forehead for prescience.

unfortunately for cricket, she was the first to appear here and has the tenacity of a true troll — she continues to lurk, waiting for someone to respond to her absurdity. when she mentions hitler we can call “game.”

or is it now game because i mentioned hitler?

7 09 2008
BahstinBoyo

Nate!

To paraphrase and take you out of context…

“The Palin pick was genious mobe by McCain, seems like… he is running against her! Sadly… I see a landslide… lost”

It’s really NOT that hard to do! Spin, Baby, SPIN!

7 09 2008
Mil

hey melissa i’m in southern indiana so i know exactly what your talking about!

~~~

Yeah, it was culture shock to go from my hometown to university and back lol. I got used to being a very loud and proud liberal. 😄 I keep it a little more careful here so I don’t get hit over the head with bibles. No joke. Okay, just a little. 😄 No offense intended! I know some extremely fervent people.

7 09 2008
J T

Knew it….just like Palin, won’t answer any of the real questions, just makes silly comments.

Maybe it was Palin!!

7 09 2008
Smitty

Well KO is no longer covering the debates.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnbc.html?hp
And McCain is up in the polls
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/8/0555/98506/278/590601

We’ve got work to do

7 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Geez, I live in Texas and did not vote for BUSH not one single time!!! And I am damn proud of!!!

7 09 2008
GiGi

Charles Gibson ??
Give me a break..he will lay down on the floor and pant for her if she asks..
I want to see Gwen Ifill, Brian Williams, Bill Moyers or Tom Lehrer….

7 09 2008
karen marie

cricket: “This blog is a page out of a typical relationship theory book. When something is lost, its far easier to be angry and not face the truth and fall back to others who offer you sympathy and a comfort zone. Others just like yourself. You have accomplished this very successfully, who thought I could have used this as an example in my human condition and sociology course?”

hey, cricket, project much?

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I’m calling it a night. Until tomorrow!

7 09 2008
BahstinBoyo

Cricket…

I beleive you would find that although most of the participants on this blog may not agree with what you may be saying, we would defend to the death your RIGHT to say it.

Sound familiar? Carry on!

7 09 2008
kimbers

Cricket- Anna Quindlen says it so much better than I did.

Can You Say ‘Sexist’?
If you’re a Republican, you’d better learn. The right wing that trashed the women’s movement suddenly finds its inner feminist.

Anna Quindlen
NEWSWEEK
Updated: 1:35 PM ET Sep 6, 2008
Hypocrisy is only bad when it is improperly used.
—George Bernard Shaw

I never thought I would live long enough to see the day when the Republican presidential candidate would cite membership in the PTA as evidence of executive experience, when the far right would laud the full-time working mothers of newborns, when social conservatives would stare down teenage pregnancy and replace their pursed-lip accusations of promiscuity with hosannas about choosing life.

The Republican Party has undergone a surprising metamorphosis since Sarah Palin was chosen as its vice presidential candidate. In Palin I recognize a fellow traveler, a woman whose life would have been impossible just a few decades ago. If she had been born 30 years earlier, the PTA would likely have been her last stop, not her first. Her political ascendancy is a direct result of the women’s movement, which has changed the world utterly for women of all persuasions. It is therefore notable that Palin has found her home in a party, and in a wing of that party, that for many years has reviled, repelled and sought to roll back the very changes that led her to the Alaska Statehouse.

But expediency is an astonishing thing, and conservative Republicans have suddenly embraced the assertion that women can do it all, even those conservative Republicans who have made careers out of trashing that notion. James Dobson of Focus on the Family once had staffers on his hot line saying, “Dr. Dobson recommends that mothers of young children stay at home as much as possible.” He now applauds a woman who was back at work three days after her son, who has Down syndrome, was born.

Even to state that simple fact resulted in outrage among those at the convention, who screamed double standard. But the double standard was mainly theirs. The governor was aggressively marketed in terms of her maternity, yet questions about how she managed to mother five and lead the state were dismissed as sexist. The governor’s two years leading Alaska, which in terms of citizens served is the equivalent of being mayor of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., was said to be the linchpin of her appointment, but questions about her breadth of experience were dismissed as sexist. Her surrogates wanted the press to write about mooseburgers and ignore how the governor had once pursued the kind of earmarked federal funds she now insists are anathema to her. Conservatives have probably used the word “sexist” more in the past week than they have in the past 50 years.

This would all have been entertaining if it were not such rank hypocrisy. These are people who have inveighed against affirmative action, a version of which undoubtedly played a part in this selection. These are people who inveighed against personal attacks on their new nominee when the wingnuts of their own party elevated such attacks to a fine art by accusing Hillary Rodham Clinton of fictitious misdeeds ranging from treason to murder. To try to suggest Sarah Palin might garner the Hillary Clinton vote, that one woman is just the same as another, that biology trumps ideology, is the ultimate evidence of true sexism, and I hope Senator Clinton will travel the country and say so.

Amid the drumbeat of female Amazonian competence occasioned by the Palin nomination ran one deeply discordant assumption, the assumption that women are strong and smart and sure and yet neither sentient nor moral enough to decide what to do if they are pregnant under difficult circumstances. The governor has talked about the choice she and her pregnant teenage daughter have made, but would deny other women the right to make their own choices. She talks about fighting the old boys’ network and corrupt politicians, but would turn over the private reproductive decisions of American women to both. This is not choosing life. It is choosing unwarranted intrusion into the family lives of women. Which, ironically, is exactly what the Republicans accused the press of doing in the case of Governor Palin.

When Democrat James Carville said he found the choice of Palin perplexing on the merits, Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachmann said she found that “offensive to American women.” I found her offense offensive to American women, since at its core was the notion that Governor Palin should not and could not be judged by the same standards as her male counterparts. In fact, all the cries of sexism suggested that, yet again, the Republicans had underestimated the ability of women to lead; when the governor finally took center stage, it was clear that she needed no protections or excuses. If she is as sharp and self-assured as her convention speech, the first thing she will do, in the parlance of the sport she played under the nickname “Sarah Barracuda,” is to slam-dunk the notion that she can’t take an elbow. She certainly knows how to give one.

John McCain has been no advocate for women; when asked during the primaries, on the subject of Senator Clinton, “How do we beat the bitch?” he responded, “Excellent question.” (Note to the GOP: that IS sexist.) He has been either hostile or clueless on issues like contraceptive funding, workplace protections and aid to poor mothers. And his running mate will likely walk in lock step with him on all those things. But she could certainly help move the inevitable tide of women’s rights, the tide that has floated her own boat, by demanding that she be honored with the same tough scrutiny the guys in this race get. Which was, in case these improbable born-again friends of feminism missed it, the entire point of the exercise in the first place.

URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/157543

7 09 2008
HamletsMill

Regi,

If I got your post context wrong, please accept my apology. It is just that few people realize what people personally close to both wars know. It is an issue with me some times. It is a long story, but my brother-in-law inherited some of the intelligence assets of the Northern Alliance in their work. There is a lot that has not been told. U.S. policy before 9/11 was beyond inept with even so called “professionals” like George Tenet asleep at the switch. It is largely now distant history. But the thought of a Sarah Palin taking over managing all the effort in Afghanistan over the last seven years of war up from being a PTA President in a small town in Alaska if McCain keels over is just beyond belief for me. I’ll try to be more composed.

Again, goodnight all.

7 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

“Yeah, it was culture shock to go from my hometown to university and back lol. I got used to being a very loud and proud liberal.😄 I keep it a little more careful here so I don’t get hit over the head with bibles. No joke. Okay, just a little.😄 No offense intended! I know some extremely fervent people.”

i’m not from southern IN, i’m from a very liberal area/state. so talk about culture shock! what i’ve found is that people here are nice though and if you start a conversation with them and keep things simple you might be able to win a few people over to “the good side” keep up the good work over there and i’ll do my part here!

7 09 2008
tammy

Bachmann has no credibility. She got the caribou confused with the coffee. Wasn’t she on Countdown’s Worst Person In The World once?

7 09 2008
misskae

To karen marie (19:29:25)
Thanks for mentioning ‘Queen for a Day,’ I mentioned the show on another thread here several days ago when I was trying to figure out what this ‘surprise pick’ was reminding me of.
(Next subject:)
It isn’t just the abortion question that is used to rile up the conservative voters. Gay marriage actually works better to get the voters out.

(And one more -)
For so many reasons I see the conservative Republicans as being anti-education – No Child Left Behind and vouchers paid from public school monies are just two reasons.

No Child created an impossible system that sets up moving targets – even if schools improve, the target is set higher the next year, so schools are never (or rarely) graded as excellent. Each ‘report card’ consists of as many 27 (guessing here) targets, and if even one is missed, the school doesn’t pass. These target results are test based. Special needs children (Down Syndrome, autistic) also are required to take the tests. The whole thing, IMO is set up to give failing grades to the public schools and thereby ‘prove’ that they are terrible and that you should either 1) use vouchers to attend a private school or 2) HOMESCHOOL!!! (egad, why didn’t I think of that).

The word ‘choice’ is used as code for funding vouchers to pay for private school. You often don’t notice this little word in the platform of those running for superintendent of education. And if you do, well, choice is good, right? BUT what it means is that money is taken from the school system and paid to the family to use for private schools. The propaganda used to further these goals is paid for by (hidden) out-of-state conservative organizations (can’t find a name right now). They entice parents with the idea that school choice will be ‘putting parents first.’ They influence elections with their antics. Anyway, the vouchers take away the money, and the schools again are ‘broken.’

What no one realizes is that we should be putting the children first by teaching them to think, not teaching to the many tests the bureaucracy requires. We should be allowing teachers to read, instead of requiring hours of filling out forms.

Why do they want to destroy public education?

Anyway, I need to stop now, I have to work tomorrow. Thanks AKm. for all you are doing.

7 09 2008
Jojin

What scares me is that no matter who wins this election – the other party is not going down without a fight. I fear there will civil war – there is way too much hatred on both sides. If the dems win, I really worry for Obama’s life. There are enough dead-beat, gun toting repugs out there. It will not be an easy win – and the risks are huge. Does anyone else feel that way? I am getting a little freaked out.

7 09 2008
Phil

McCain does have a “temper problem.” I do not trust him at all. He did say that Chelsea Clinton “was uglier than sin” when Clinton was in office and Chelsea was about 13. He also referred to Leisure World in Arizona as “Seizure World” during a campaign speech in the 80s. He hides behind his POW years, and seems like a snake.

7 09 2008
Quiet Advocate

I just finished watching an hour program on Palin on Fox (5). I almost left the room several times, but I wanted to know what these women voting for Palin were watching. FOX (or Karl Rove, Inc?) conveniently deleted all the nasty and arrogant sections of her speech, along with all of her lies. No claim on Ebay there (still being said on the road, but it’s now changed to “I posted it on Ebay,” not “I sold it on Ebay) . All that was left was an angelic, warm, compassionate image of a working mom. It should have been labeled “Paid Infomercial.” Watching it, and knowing that today’s Gallup poll shows McCain on top, I feel betrayed and angry. Yes, I know FOX is biased. But with CNN and MSNBC acting traumatized and too intimidated to use two words, “She lied,” – except for Rachel Maddow — where do we turn to fight for us? Is this the democracy we want other nations to have? I now dread watching her interview with Gibson… Re. the posting that said that Keith Oberman and chris Matthews might be removed from MSNBC, let’s all write to tell them that it’s Pat Buchannan who must go, not those two! Keith O. is the only one who makes us laugh.

7 09 2008
ChuckFree

Mudflats, any update on what the former business partner was/is trying to suppress in his divorce papers?

7 09 2008
karen marie

cricket says: “I’m just pleased I’m getting so much attention. This is the limelight I always missed as a middle child”

for those not familiar with internet traditions (google the phrase, you’ll laugh yourself silly), the above quotation is a classic example of a concern troll.

i must say, cricket has been an entertainment. i’m not saying i’d want to have too much of this sort of fun but it does relieve a certain amount of stress to have an opportunity to toss brickbats at the willfully ignorant and it is encouraging to be reminded that you really do have to be astonishingly silly to fall for what mccain and palin are selling.

oh gosh, look at the time!

now toddle off, cricket, and find another blog to troll.

7 09 2008
bas

To the people who said don’t watch C Gibson -are you saying “they” know what channel I am tuned to? If so – that’s really scary. Also somebody a couple days ago said something I keep thinking about. What if the polls are faked so the poll companies can stay in business? Who cares about the polls if it’s not neck and neck? Am I getting paranoid?

7 09 2008
kimbers

Tammy,

I think she’s made the list more than once.

She’s in Palin heaven!

Last week she was on one of the radio talk shows and was going on about her support of Palin. One of the reasons she gave was that the ‘pipeline was going to run right through Minnesota and create all kinds of good paying jobs.’

Ugh.

7 09 2008
tammy

On No Child Left Behind, the reason they want special needs children to take the tests is simple. The more children in special ed that takes the tests, they will get an exemption or an asterisk next to the school. But, and this is important, they must have the parents permission. Also did you know you have to ask the school what their standing is in regards to the No Child Left Behind ? They don’t offer that information. More states are opting out of that program.

7 09 2008
Mil

I heart Anna Quindlen! *bows to the wisdom*

7 09 2008
Debbie

I have never been a big Mccain fan, and he was a horrible pick on the choice of the GOP, but I think the new angle of the Mccain campaign (reform, doing away with the old order (much to the credit of Obama, his platform)) has got me so energized. ——–What this means to the country is no matching funds for states to do things like repair infrastructure such as failing bridges. Anything they can get away with forcing the states to pay for they will. This means your state taxes will go up but they will be able to claim they haven’t raised taxes. McCains position statement also plans to tax any health benefit you get from your job. If your company pays $300.00 a month for your insurance you will have an extra $3600.00 to pay taxes on at the end of the year. $300.00 is a really low figure. The cost of medical isurance these days for a year is something like $12,000.00 on which you will now be paying taxes. While all might be fine where you are here we are suffering, I have had to lay off more than 400 people in the last 6 months and more will follow. Each week my paper has an added section just for legal notices of foreclosure sales this week it was 15 pages. You may want to consider how the Republicans platform and theory will affect us little guys and where this will take us. Understand for all of his talk of change his economic plan is the same as Bushes. Understand that Alaska and Texas are the only states that have a surplus the rest are all running in serious debt because of the collapsing economy. Vote for your future and ours whatever your vote .

7 09 2008
tammy

Kimbers there was a group, Clean Air Act group maybe, that was talking about that. They were saying they were going to run that pipeline even through private property? I know they have an aggressive campaign to stop that.

7 09 2008
tammy

Quiet Advocate, on msnbc, they are not being removed completely from msnbc. Just on the debate coverage and I assume election night. NBC got upset over the RNC politicizing 9/11 and Keith said something about it? NBC is caving in.

7 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

“To the people who said don’t watch C Gibson -are you saying “they” know what channel I am tuned to? If so – that’s really scary. Also somebody a couple days ago said something I keep thinking about. What if the polls are faked so the poll companies can stay in business? Who cares about the polls if it’s not neck and neck? Am I getting paranoid?”

no you are not getting paranoid. when we know our current administration illegally spied on its own people (us) why wouldn’t we be paranoid?

but to answer your question i don’t think they can tell what you’ve been watching on tv. polls could definitely be fake, but if it ends up a landslide victory for either side these pollsters will lose credibility. so at some point closer to the election they would have to start showing more accurate numbers

7 09 2008
Rabbler

Ragarding Palin’s radical anti-choice fanaticism, we can regress ad infinitum. I think there is a problem cuz life is before conception. It’s a big problem, I hear, because of all the frozen eggs that are now past expiration date and due to be thrown away. This is murder of course according to Palinlogic.

The sperm and ovum are alive. Once there is the will to copulate, there is one sperm that the faithful believes is destined to fertilize the egg. This sperm has God’s will imprinted on it, so should not be murdered.

I’m sure you can see the spiritual repercussions. This sperm must be allowed to fulfill God’s will, or else it is murder. I know I have to work more on the process, but hope to explain how allowing the sperm to persevere is fulfillment of Palin’s view of God’s will.

7 09 2008
protus

The USA today poll is a bad polling. In other words they called more reps.

Look at the electoral map. quite a different story.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/electoral-vote-tracker.htm?loc=interstitialskip

7 09 2008
strangelet

OK, Cricket. I’ll believe you live with Democrats and were leaning towards Obama before Palin joined the R ticket. Since you are an Alaskan, it should be easy for you to understand some of the problems I have with the untruths that McCain and Palin have stated about her.

— Said “thanks but no thanks to Congress about the Bridge to Nowhere”. If you were following her gubanatorial campaign, you must know that she SUPPORTED this particular bit of pork until AFTER Congress pulled the plug on it.

— McCain claims she is a tax cutter. Alaska hasn’t had a state income tax since the oil bonanza hit, right? What taxes did she cut? My understanding is that as mayor of Wasilla she did cut property taxes, but replaced the lost revenue with a sales tax. Am I wrong?

— She claims to oppose pork, but was in fact the first mayor of Wasilla to go send a lobbyist off to Washington to secure pork (successfully) for the town.

— She has vastly overstated the current level of progress on (planning for) the natura gas pipeline.

— While the details and motivations and personalities involved in Troopergate are still to be determined, one thing is clearly documented. Governor Palin stated, unequivocally, that she and her office would fully cooperate with the Legislative inquiry. CANDIDATE Palin immediately lawyered up and started to stonewall, including claiming that 1100 possibly-related emails are unavailable because of executive privilege. Shades of W.

Now, it happens that I differ with Gov Palin on a number of policy issues, but the thing that concerns me the most is the campaign’s willingness to spout lies like the above (sorry if that offends you, but that is what they are) about her record, in order to give her a good “story”. It is the lying that tends to get folks on this blog worked up.

I know that she is popular in Alaska. I would think it would be hard to be an UNpopular governor when you get to send every man, woman, and child a $3,200 check just for existing. It’s amazing to me that Frank Murkowski managed to become unpopular.

Now, a question for you. You state: “Palin has an incredible track record for standing tough and strong, …”

Would you please give three specific examples from this incredible track record, other than turning in Rudy R for ethics.

Thanks.

7 09 2008
tammy

On the polling, what if you changed your phone number since the last election and it is unlisted? Can they still call you?

7 09 2008
Mayflower

Karen Marie,
Thanks for explaining that whole ‘troll’ thing. I’m a neophyte here too. But absolutely LOVING you guys! I put my kids to bed, only to come back downstairs to check the posts again. Came home from a meeting tonight and a whole group of Obama Mamas were discussing some of these same issues: what can we do to help these misguided souls understand they are dealing with Manchurian candidates when they have never even read a serious novel???

7 09 2008
Mil

Quick fact Rabbler: There are enough sperm in one… go around… to impregnate every woman on earth.

7 09 2008
mde

Tammy – Yes, they use random digit dialing. It doesn’t matter if you’re listed or not.

7 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

“what can we do to help these misguided souls understand they are dealing with Manchurian candidates when they have never even read a serious novel”

because people like palin kept these books out of their local library🙂 seriously though, what is up with the repubs attack against education? “the liberal universities” mccain saying he is going to “reform schools” Obama is attacked because he went to an ivy league school? last i heard getting into an ivy league because of academics is pretty impressive. considering the educations, philosophical, and religious beliefs of the republican ticket, it is scary stuff to consider what they would consider “appropriate learning material”

7 09 2008
nancy-INDIANA

okay my writing is starting to get sloppy good night all.

7 09 2008
gizmo

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214508.php

As usual, Josh Marshall has a perceptive take on the forthcoming Palin interviews. He notes that Charles Gibson will be doing a series of interviews with Miss Wassila, which guarantees that they will be all sweet and light and happy, because the GOP would not have agreed to a series if Gibson was planning to ask tough questions.

7 09 2008
Rabbler

Yes, Mil, obviously any educated person knows that sperm are ubiquitous.

The point is that sperm are alive, and so are ovii, so life is present BEFORE conception. In other words, life does not begin at conception.

7 09 2008
Mayflower

Jojin,
On way back from meeting tonight, my teenage daughter asked me about that same issue — it worries her. I told her it worries me either way. I worry for our candidate because of who he is and what he stands for — literally, I’m almost at that “Jesus was a community organizer stage” & I have NEVER been this political in my life! But what frightens me for the global population is that the same problem worries me about the Manchurian Monsters — & then look what could happen with a Puppet Palin in office. Biden is capable. Obama is statesman enough to see that. McCain cares nothing about statesmanship. He is Machiavellian at this point.

7 09 2008
tammy

viewerservices@msnbc.com

That is one email address to contact msnbc.

7 09 2008
Cassie

Jesus H !

I just got through the prior post and I live on the East Coast!

I need to get some sleep!

I really do love this blog, but I need to finish a wedding dress for my (un-pregnant) daughter (31)who managed to actually become educated and a DDS, so she can be a productive member of society.

Further, another daughter( BS, MS) is in Dar Es Salaam ( way the opposite way in the time zones) is doing research for her writing. Productive member of society.

The eldest( BS, MS, Ph.D) has gone to bed, long since, in order to meet with her classes at Brandeis. Productive member of society.

Son and family ( BS Math, BS Eng., MBA, BS Eng, MBA) went to the NC beach for a wedding–please stay away Ike. Productive members of society.

So, where are Sarah’s kids enrolled…or have they given up on all this education stuff and opted, instead, for God’s will?…or the stipend Alaska pays to their residents?

This whole nomination, while riveting, reminds me of trailer trash.

Too rough? Well, welcome to my world.

7 09 2008
bas

When McCain says “reform schools” he means tax deductible vouchers for religious schools – playing to the base again.

7 09 2008
ds55

C’mon, guys. Cricket has hi-jacked the blog. It’s a troll tactic to get every post addressed directly at them.

7 09 2008
ds55

From the New York Times article: “…she [Palin] had returned to work the day after giving birth to Piper.”

Good grief, I thought returning to work just 3 days after Trig was born was bad enough.

7 09 2008
Nate

Who cares about when she returned to work, who cares about who the baby mom is, who cares on her affairs, who cares about her personal issues.

In the matter if Obama and Biden need to neat these two on the issues right now.

The lastest poll has McCain gaining alot of ground and the prediction is for the Gallup to have McCain up by 7-10 points by weeks end. This next week is critical for BO. He needs to hit McCain hard, he needs to speak clearly and get the message out.

Fact: 15 out of the last 18 presidents who were winning the gallup after the conventions won the election.

7 09 2008
Debbie

tammy (20:37:54) :

I actually ran across a post one time where this person said Bush would go down as the best president in history. He wasn’t just drinking the koolaid, he was injecting it.
——Tammy,
I am 47 years old I lived through the Reagan years with trickle down economics, union busting, not enforcing anti trust laws, deregulating everything, trying to clear cut the national forests (no joke). That’s where the current mess started yet now he is considered “The greatest modern president” when some one said back in 1984 that this would be the case I thought they were crazy but after seeing that bit of history rewritten I would believe anyting.

7 09 2008
Briana

I would be most pleased if I could find out the date this blog began .. I have heard about a month or so ago ..?? .. it this true ..??

Also .. I read ” About Mudflats” .. What were you doing before ? .. I am curious .

Thank you for answering ..

7 09 2008
Smitty

What really bothers me is in June when Hillary conceded, my Mom, a devoted Hillary supporter cried. She hadn’t cried since my Dad died 8 years ago. But she cried. She believed that Obama, while a good man, is a set up by the neo cons because she feels he is unelectable. She lives in PA and is 62 and knows no one at all over the age of 50 who will vote for him. PA is one of the oldest states as far as demographics go and she is a die hard Democrat.

I admit my heart is with Green Party and Nader because my heart is with wildlife preservation and global warming. If I felt they had a chance I would actively support them. But my cash, time and effort go into Obama because he is our last best chance to push back against the rape and pillage of our beloved country.

Must see video. Wish we could get it on the air. It’s had over 300,000 hits.

7 09 2008
Rabbler

Nate: Fact: 15 out of the last 18 presidents who were winning the gallup after the conventions won the election.

Come on, are you tryin’ to create anxiety disorders?

We are in a new situation. The conventions are unique in adjacency and time.

All bets are off.

And I love Obama (I don’t think it’s a gay thing).

7 09 2008
Jojin

Mayflower,
I am REALLY freaked out and worried about it all. I was 90% for Obama all along but what tipped me over completely was his selection of Biden. It made me think this man is visionary and intelligent enough to attract the creme-de-la-creme and he will do things for the greater good. The most HORRIFIC thought is having the monsters back in power for another 4 years. I am not going to put up with it – if that should happen I am scooting out of this country like a bat outta hell. I was never political till now but I find my self sounding like a raving liberal these days.

7 09 2008
7 09 2008
Mayflower

Nancy-Indiana,
Absolutely, dear lady!

And yes, way past time to turn in here as well…

But sheesh, if I’m up as early as I was this morning, I’ll be tuning in tomorrow bright and early… Oops, nope, on second thought — can’t — it’s a school day — silly me, what am I thinking?

7 09 2008
Merle

“From the New York Times article: “…she [Palin] had returned to work the day after giving birth to Piper.””

Well, considering she was named after the bay where the Palins operate their little ‘family business’, I can only imagine Sarah wills soon tell us that she birthed Bristol right there on the deck of their boat and went straight back to fish picking and drift netting, with her pet Babe The Blue Moose hooting congrats from the shoreline.

7 09 2008
tammy

Polls are fine. But polls are up and down almost as bad as the stock market. If polls show McCain ahead, he can’t very well say he is underdog, look at the polls. Plus these polls don’t take into account new voters or voters that have cell phones. And with the economic times the way they are, alot of people are going to just cell phones.

7 09 2008
Mayflower

Jojin,
Understand completely darlin! But OMG these past ten days??? This site is a lifesaver! I’ll be on here tomorrow — as soon as I get a moment I’ll be logging in, I’ll look for you. WE MUST VOTE OBAMA IN!! WE MUST GET OUT THE VOTE!

7 09 2008
Sarah from CA

Just watched Biden’s “Meet the Press” segment. I hope Brokaw is as tough & detailed on his questions McCain & Palin (well, if she decides to go on the show) as he was on Biden, i.e. bringing up their previous records and contrasting it with their current bids for “change.” In the sake of fairness, of course. If Tom’s going to try and trip up Biden with his family’s business affairs, I hope he brings up McCain’s history of voting with Bush, and how he thinks taxing health insurance benefits will possibly help anyone in the middle class (probable answer: who cares about the middle class?!).

For anyone who didn’t see it (just go to the Meet the Press website), Biden, among other things, says that he thinks the Dems can take Montana. 3 electoral votes doesn’t seem like much, but that would cancel out Alaska if it goes red. So every little bit helps, in a race this close. Speaking of which…

In the last week, I’ve asked everyone I know if they’re registered to vote, and so far, it’s 100%. Even my once-Republican friend (a woman) hinted that she’d be voting for Obama. I do live in a ‘blue state,’ but every vote does indeed count no matter where you live! Especially here in CA, as we have some really important proposals on our general election ballet this year. So ask around and make sure everyone’s registered!

Okay. I love reading everyone’s posts, but it is bed time (well, SportsCenter time.😉 Night all!

7 09 2008
sockeye

@cricket and to any others on this blog who may still be deciding whom to vote,

Thanks for providing an alternate viewpoint and hanging in there. You sure got people commenting.

Blogs are amazing experiments in human behavior, aren’t they. Comments can be insightful, well-researched, witty, deeply personal, inspirational and on the other end of the spectrum: snide, derogatory, shallow, extremist, and often hyperbolic.

What I like about blogs is that people come to blogs from all different walks of life, career paths, family histories, economic and educational backgrounds and from the moment they join, something amazing happens, something that happens only very rarely in real life: everyone’s voice is equal.

It really is quite remarkable when you think about it. A big ol’ digital melting pot, if you will. And it’s kinda similar to Election Day no? That one day, every four years, when everyone’s voice holds the same power. It’s exciting stuff!

But I just felt it was important to note that while this blog community may favor Obama as a candidate, no one in this community speaks for or represents the Obama campaign. The Obama | Biden campaign should be judged based on their actions and words alone, not the comments of a community blog.

So welcome to the Mudflats. We have a great host. Hang out for a while. Get to know some folks. Make friends, make enemies, make a stand, make amends. Everyone’s voice is equal.

7 09 2008
AnneinWA

Whether the infamous CRICKET is a troll or not, she has reminded me that I should “stick to the issues”, take the high road, and work even harder to get Obama elected!

7 09 2008
Nate

Tammy, I think if the new polls are this way next week, you can say its pretty accurate.
I think more women are jumping on McCain then originally thought.

7 09 2008
Rabbler

Nate: well, you mean McCain up by 1.0

Not by 10

hehehheh, congrats McHorneyForWar!!!

7 09 2008
Mil

Rabbler:

The point is that sperm are alive, and so are ovii, so life is present BEFORE conception. In other words, life does not begin at conception.

I would bother to clarify my point, but I’ll let monty python do the talking:

(Sorry if anyone is offended, I’m just trying to show the silliness of the whole trying to claim that every ovum and sperm is a potential person.)

7 09 2008
Karen

I posted about this several days ago (although it seems like months), I keep wondering if Colin Powell will endorse Obama. It’s believed that he privately favors Obama and he said he wouldn’t endorse anyone till the conventions were over. It could be that McCain’s complete disregard for national security in picking Palin will push him to speak up.

7 09 2008
Jojin

Going to bed – the polls got me bit depressed. g.nite all!

7 09 2008
Mayflower

Goodnight all of you & God Bless! Thanks for reminding us their is sanity amidst this seemingly mindless mess….

7 09 2008
Mayflower

whoops, see I’m getting very tired — typo: “Thanks for reminding us there is sanity amidst this seemingly mindless mess….” *sigh* goodnight ; )

7 09 2008
J T

Don’t let the current polls drive you crazy. Since the election polling is usually done by phone, this would not include cell phones. Most younger voters (obama’s people) do not have landlines. My kids are in their mid to late 20’s and neither have land lines. Only cell phones. Lots of my friends have gotten rid of their land lines.

So take a deep breath!

7 09 2008
Sarah from CA

P.S. I meant that AK & Montana would cancel each other out, essentially… sort of … I of course didn’t mean to imply that AK wouldn’t “count.”

It’s simply too late and my many typos speak to that.

7 09 2008
bas

The reason the baby mama thing is important is – if she made this whole thing up – it goes to her sanity. And I still think there’s something weird there. Also when they say “X million viewers” tuned in to watch this or that – how do they know? Anybody out there on the tubes know the answer?

7 09 2008
White Agate

Here’s the link to the NYT article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08baby.html?hp

7 09 2008
Rabbler

Mil,

Don’t use weak satire to avoid the real definitional issue.

The sperm is alive. The ovum is alive. When they combine they are not more or less alive than they are separately.

So we should preserve life, not waste it, as a girlfriend of my youth chided me in criticism of my gratuitous onanism.

7 09 2008
7 09 2008
Nebalaskan

Palin seemed to think community organizers were OK when she honored the Americorps program in Alaska. She must have changed her mind. http://www.gov.alaska.gov/archive-19717.html

7 09 2008
AnneinWA

sockeye (21:32:46) :

WELL SAID!

I took most of the day off and just finished reading all of the posts on this thread. Now my head is spinning again! I too appreciate alternative viewpoints, but I have learned, living as a loner in a right-wing family, that I must pick my battles carefully, remain civil – even when others don’t, and do my homework to my facts straight!

I so appreciate this Mudflats blog – you all kept me sane during the RNC speeches!

7 09 2008
White Agate

Here is the NYT article:

http://www.nytimes.com//?oref=login

See what you think. Apparently Gov. Palin really didn’t tell anyone in her family about the pregnancy until the last minute, and because the baby was a month early her kids found out about his being a Downs baby when they came to the hospital.

And here is the first article I’ve seen about polling problems. Here we go people! Let’s not get to Florida and the Supremes again. Check your registrations.

http://www.truthout.org/article/nearly-600000-voters-subject-possible-caging-ohio

7 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

Hey, Smitty,
I’m 63 and I’m voting for him. My guy is 64 and he’s voting for him. My sister is 77 and she’s voting for him. My brother in law is 78, and he’s voting for him. These two guys have spent their entire careers in the defense industry, and they’re fed up. Two of my nephews are in their mid 50s and they’re voting for him. One of them was career Army and is now an FBI agent. One of my nieces is nearly 53, and she’s voting for him. She lives in Texas and is a nurse. We’re all fed up. Tell your mom it’s ok. There are lots of us who are older and voting for him. Tell her to watch the AARP meetings yesterday and then ask her which candidate inspired more excitement, which candidate was more articulate on the issues that most concern seniors — health care and financial security — which candidate even answered the questions.

One of the things that drew me to Obama was his ability to inspire people. In my mind, that’s a significant part of the President’s job. It’s also known as leadership. Now leadership is sort of like technology, it’s neutral. Some people in history have used their ability to lead and inspire for great evil. But I remember being inspired by Jack and Bobby Kennedy. One of qualities that allowed JFK to stare down the Russians during the Cuban missile crisis was the caliber of people he surrounded himself with. They weren’t a bunch of yes men. They were known as “the best and the brightest.” During those fateful nights, when we worried that the next light we’d see was that of nuclear holocaust, these brave men (and yes, in those days, they were all men) argued and debated as to the best way to deal with the crisis. Some argued for first strike. Others took a more cautious approach. JFK listened to all of the arguments, then made his decision. He stood firm, and the Soviets pulled back from the brink. I see a similar quality in Obama. He’s willing to listen to people who don’t agree with him. He doesn’t shoot from the hip, then ask questions later. He’s thoughtful and smart. And smart counts.

Do I think I’ll agree with all his decisions, should he win the election? No. I’ve already been disappointed with his FISA vote. But I don’t know all that went into that decision. He hasn’t tipped his hand. I am encouraged by the opening that, while protecting the telecoms from civil prosecution, doesn’t shield them from criminal responsibility. But I’m convinced that he’s a far cry better than the alternative.

7 09 2008
curiousforeigner

US Federal Government has taken over Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae.

I thought repubs believed in small small government and that US government, curently Republican, takeover of anything is “socialist” and interfering. (ref Putin?Gasprom)

“Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they’ve gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers. The McCain- Palin administration will make them smaller, smarter, and more effective,” said Palin.

please explain.

7 09 2008
modern squiggy

I’m not sure if anyone has discussed this, but have y’all noticed how all the news guys are wearing these new sporty headset microphones? Most of the anchors were wearing them during the conventions. Then I started seeing guests who were being interviewed supplied with these headset mikes. And my first thought was, wow, how EASY to hide the earplug when it is in plain sight! Well i would not be surprised if we see Sarah Palin wearing one of the new sporty headset microphones for her interviews. And both the interviewer and the interviewee can be coached through the headset,

Incidentally Cindy McCain was clearly responding to cues from an earplug in her last big interview, you could see her doing it so clearly.

7 09 2008
Mil

Rabbler… Eh, not even worth it. Okay, maybe it is…

This is a blog. An extremely helpful blog. There are a lot of commenters. We’re allowed to be silly on occasion. This is not a news show. And I would appreciate it if you appreciated that I am also an intelligent adult. Respect I already accord to you.

ps: Monty Python is actually far more serious than you would ever believe. Read the book ‘Monty Python and Philosophy’ if you do not believe me. It’s a compilation of essays by various people with knowledge in the philosophical field.

pps: I think that when personhood begins would be exactly the sort of topic they would have tackled with intelligence and silliness.

7 09 2008
Karen

I’m dreading the Charlie Gibson interview. It will be no better than the Fox news bio.

7 09 2008
bwilder

MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat

Olbermann lost anchor seat!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnbc.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

My letter to MSNBC and their email address:

GeneralComments@feedback.msnbc.com

MSNBC,

I read this evening that you are cancelling Countdown with Keith Olbemann.
As of this evening you have lost a viewer to all of your MSNBC programming.

It is glaringly obvious that Fox news is biased to the far right. CNN is slowly
following suit albeit in a less “O’Reilly’ sort of way. But getting a Democratic
view across in more than a single sentence with Wolfe Blitzer before being
cut-off is becoming the norm with him too.

Now you seem to be following suit. The right wing whines and you cave in.
It’s beyond disgusting to me that they have so much control over the media.

Throughout the conventions I blogged with people across the country and the majority of us were watching the MSNBC coverage while doing so. It’s been the place where a liberal feels they can actually get a fair shake. And you know, so what if it’s leaning too far left? Fox has been getting away with it for years and at least I felt as thought I could tune in to MSNBC and find people expressing my views and the views of my fellow Democrats.

Gone are the days of fair and balanced and it’s a joke to believe otherwise.
Democrats across the country know it and hate it. Now this. I find it very disheartening indeed. Without Keith Olbermann, who now is left to get in the Rovian faces of the right wing pundits? Apparently no one.

So it is with deep regret that I will no longer be watching as I was very much
looking forward to spending the nine o’clock hour with Rachel Madow.
I’ll be watching the debates on C-Span and will depend on the internet
for all of my other news and information gathering.

Regretfully Yours,

Berta P. Wilder
Lincolnton, NC

7 09 2008
Karen

bwilder,
They didn’t cancel Countdown, they are just not having Keith and Chris anchor the election coverage. They will be on the panel and both will keep their shows. I would rather have them do the election anchoring too, though. It makes it more real when they are able to express actual feelings.

7 09 2008
Ralph

Hey Palmdale, I talked to an 83-year old Republican today who told me in no uncertain terms that she is voting for Obama. 🙂 But then, I also talked to a couple of Democrats who are just as firm in their opposition to Obama. It’s hard to understand how the American people would put another Republican in the White House after the last eight years, but remember: They re-elected George Bush in 2004 on the heels of a war whose premise was proven to be fraudulent and which was still raging months after Bush declared “Mission Accomplished.” If Bush could get elected in 2004, then McCain can certainly get elected in 2008.

All I can say is, this race is up for grabs and all Obama supporters need to get involved.

Finally, regarding Cricket, she has a point about petty issues. Of course, part of the fun of Mudflats is dishing the dirt, but there are still folks blogging about Trig supposedly being Bristol’s child. I think the more important issue is what Palin’s selection–and how McCain made it–says about John McCain. As an antidote to “petty issues,” I suggest this article in the Times Online by Andrew Sullivan, titled “The fright begins as John McCain reveals his reckless side”:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article4690545.ece

7 09 2008
Mil

That’s a relief Karen, I was about to get really worried.

7 09 2008
Uncle Joe Mccarthy

akmuckraker.

be smart…get some advertising

make the most out of this election season

pretty amazing to see the responses on the blog go from 2 or 10 to over 1000 for some comments

gotta say one thing for palin…she definitely has the world interested in alaska

7 09 2008
Ralph

Smitty, great video. Glad you brought it to our attention.

7 09 2008
Ralph

Good article by Andrew Sullivan in The Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article4690545.ece

By the way, talked to an 83-year old Republican today who’s voting for Obama. (Was doing phone duty for the Obama campaign.) But then, I also talked to a couple of Dems who are voting for McCain, so go figure. We got a get out there and work for this.

7 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

Berta,
I just read the announcement. While I’m disappointed that Olberman won’t be hosting the debates or election night, he’s not being bounced completely from MSNBC. Countdown looks like it survives. And the numbers whiz, Chuck Todd, will remain. I love Keith’s special comments. They’re righteous indignation. But the spat between him and Murdock, O’Reilly and Fox in general seem too frequently to degenerate to a contest of egos. I’d prefer that the egotism be replaced with more substance. I’m a bit more sanguine about Matthews. Maybe it’s his voice, but I often find him grating and certainly far more balanced and less prone to mouthing the talking points than Buchanan. Pat’s initial sputtering about Palin quickly subsided and was replaced by standard GOP drivel.

As to the 911 tribute, I counted 2 verbal references and several images that spoke directly to the human toll. And one of those verbal references was to people “jumping from buildings.” Overall, it was sensationalized and offensive, clearly designed to remind us of the fear we all felt that day. It may have been a tribute to 911, but it didn’t seem to me to be designed to honor those who died that day. Rather it was more “be afraid, be very afraid.” Shameful.

7 09 2008
bwilder

Thanks Karen,
I did indeed misread the article. I think I just panicked and didn’t
graspe the details!! Whew! Glad I was wrong and can now watch
Rachel Madow🙂 Should I write another letter to MSNBC?
Maybe not, maybe even though I was in error it’s good for them
to hear from a ‘libera.’ God knows they get plenty of pressure
from the right.

7 09 2008
Jojin

Here I am again – crawled out of bed as I had to write down this thought. John McCain IS A MAVRICK – in a diabolical way. He threw a curve ball with his VP pick – how brilliant was that?? It is a stroke of genius-stealthy and unexpected – whether it works or not remains to be seen. But in one master stroke he has certainly churned up big waves, given his party a shot in the arm, stolen Obama’s thunder and leveled the playing field. The deviousness and underhandedness of it all is creepy and shows he will stop at nothing. Like a brilliant strategist he has figured out people vote on emotion rather than issues. Realtors tell me it is the same way most people buy houses. If you have daisies in a water jug, fresh applepie smelling candles, a fireplace in the bedroom, and some subtle romantic happy-couple/family props – chances it will swing the buyer.
Felt a little better hearing how polls are done – the cell phone count thing. I was so sure most decent folks would have good sense, see hope and vote Obama, but politics are murky and I realize how very divided we are as a country. This election is going to be BRUTAL.
I MUST GO TO BED NOW – I have an early meeting…sigh!!

7 09 2008
Wired Differently

Ana and others who have read the NY Times piece–

Did you find the tone of the article as weird as I did? And the very deliberate listing of ‘facts’ about the pregnancy and birth. Nothing was backed up with corroboration from credible sources (her sister? c’mon). Something smells not quite right…

And thank you Karen Marie for introducing me this evening to the concept of ‘concern troll’.

7 09 2008
DeMo

To whomever said it was false that Palin cut spending for special ed, this document seems to indicate otherwise. Look at the totals for ’06-’08.
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

Cricket, I shared your concerns about the economy. I am considered the economic elite. While my social conscience is liberal, I also need to protect my earnings. So I’ve been doing a fair amount of research.

According to Alan S. Blinder, professor of economics at Princeton and former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, the United States does better economically for ALL (rich, poor and middle class) when the Democrats are in the White House.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31view.html?em

Larry M. Bartels, professor of politics at Princeton, says:
The real incomes of middle-class families grew more than twice as fast under Democratic presidents as they did under Republican presidents. Even more remarkable, the real incomes of working-poor families (at the 20th percentile of the income distribution) grew six times as fast when Democrats held the White House. Only the incomes of affluent families were relatively impervious to partisan politics, growing robustly under Democrats and Republicans alike.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/magazine/27wwln-idealab-t.html

I will enthusiastically vote for the candidate who is the best hope for this nation economically and socially. There is no doubt in my mind that Senator Obama can lead this nation to a future filled with hope. I am equally convinced that Senator McCain is such a huge mistake that I literally fear what will happen to this country should he take the oath of office.

What is most frightening to me is that the selection of Sarah Palin has invigorated Republicans. Why? She is walking hypocrisy. She is a patent liar who seems to view the truth as incidental to her goals.

This woman had one golden chance to introduce herself to the nation and she did so with words that were divisive. Her tone was mocking. If this is the change she proposes to bring to DC, no thanks.

I will do everything in my power to protect the books she seeks to ban. I will protect the rights of women to choose what will happen and not happen to their bodies. And I refuse to listen to a human being who seeks to tell others that our troops are on a task from G-d. Isn’t that about 1/2 step away from calling the mission in Iraq a Holy War?

This is such an important election. All BS aside, people need to look at verifiable facts and decide. *I* will not suggest what the facts say, but to vote for the GOP because Sarah Palin joined the ticket is – I don’t even know what to compare it to. It’s unprecedented.

7 09 2008
Mil

Wired Differently, I thought it sounded a little too pat. And a little like they were trying to make her out to be a modern June Cleaver Business woman.

7 09 2008
Cricket

Someone just explained to me what a troll was.

I wasn’t aware this board was designed for only Obama supporters. And if not, at least I know now my opinion is not welcomed by most.

I wont offer any of my ideas or thoughts further then. Just looking for intelligent discussion. Many of you are no doubt very bright, and I appreciate your passion. But I wont disrupt the collective thought anymore.

Just thought I was promoting some healthy approaches to dealing with all the controversy. But being reduced to name calling because of it is not my idea of healthy debate.

The kitchen is too hot? Or too hateful for my tastes.

No hard feelings.🙂

7 09 2008
Cricket

DeMo,

Thanks for your post by the way. I’m definately going to dig and look at the information you offered. Thanks!

7 09 2008
Mil

lol, Cricket, everyone that you were conversing with is in bed or headed there.

And sometimes the word troll is just the best word that defines what someone is feeling at a particular time. We do welcome differing opinions, but you didn’t seem to be listening to some things that were said. Maybe you were, maybe you weren’t. I’m not commenting. But some took offense to your attitude coupled with what was perceived as your ignoring them.

And yes the kitchen is very hot. This is a big election, lol. People on both sides are quick to stir up. I myself have a family friend who is convinced I’m crazy and takes every available opportunity to try and change my mind while refusing to open hers to mine. Now is not the time to discuss politics with people you care about that you *know* will not agree. It’s asking for a mess lol.

7 09 2008
Mil

BTW, I had fun trading intellectual barbs with you. 😄 Night Cricket! Night all! Night to the blog that helps me keep sane in all this mess!

7 09 2008
AnneinWA

bwilder (22:12:01) :

Like you, at first read I thought Keith and Chris were losing their jobs at MSNBC. However, even after I understood the decision has “only” been made to drop them from the debate and election coverage, I still wrote a letter to protest. I appreciate the diversity of opinions they have represented, and I am also looking forward to Rachel Maddow’s new show.

I titled my letter, “Bill O’Reilly Won”. Recently, Bill O. has been making fun of what he calls the “blur” between NBC (real news – LIKE HIS…yeah, RIGHT!) and MSNBC. Even John Stewart poked fun at Brian Williams about NBC’s dysfunctional family last week. Possibly I am simply with that dysfunctional family just the way it is (was?)…

7 09 2008
Ishtar

@Smitty (21:25:03) :

«What really bothers me is in June when Hillary conceded, my Mom, a devoted Hillary supporter cried. She hadn’t cried since my Dad died 8 years ago. But she cried. She believed that Obama, while a good man, is a set up by the neo cons because she feels he is unelectable. She lives in PA and is 62 and knows no one at all over the age of 50 who will vote for him.»

Who is your mother planning to vote for?

7 09 2008
sexphd

Since when is experience a pre-requisite for being a vice president? All she will need to do is preside over the senate and visit other countries representing the US … I think she’ll do that just fine.

I think you guys are worrying about all this way too much, come check out my new blog and read about something useful for a change:
http://sexed.wordpress.com

7 09 2008
TexasVet

NY Times has reported that NBC is taking Keith Olbermann off anchor duties from election night coverage. Seems to be due to Mcnasty operatives whining to NBC execs that they were afraid coverage was not unbiased. Read more here:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_removes_olbermann_matthews_from_anchor_election_duties_93756.asp

This is so bogus. What is this?? Smells of r o v ian m af i a

BTW I really like Keith O. and Rachel M. although I may not agree with everything but they are replacing Keith with David Gregory. Ick! and boring and a k r ov e drone. Please go to this site and sign this petition:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bringback/

If they get rid of Keith there really won’t be unbiased reporting!

7 09 2008
DeMo

Cricket,

Let me suggest two things to you. First, leaving here would only deprive you of a great source of information. This blogger knows what he’s talking about. He’s provided me with information prior to the mainstream media getting it. He knows whereof he speaks.

Second, I don’t think it’s that people don’t welcome your comments. Personally, I found myself a bit enraged when you said that after reading the comments, you were now certain to vote for McCain/Palin. I believe you to be someone who is interested in the issues. Maybe you made the statement out of anger. Surely the comments of others on a blog will not decide for whom you will cast your vote.

If you made the comment out of anger, maybe you can understand that others said things out of anger. BUT, your presence ignited a spirited, issue-oriented debate and that’s worthwhile. It is not your function to provide an opposing viewpoint, but I appreciated it.

Realize, please, that there’s a tremendous level of frustration around the country right now and blogs serve as a means for people to vent their spleen. What posters feel is not always said in the most diplomatic of terms.

For instance, I just heard on CNN that Representative Westmoreland of Georgia, when asked to compare Michelle Obama to Sarah Palin, said Obama is uppity. My first response is, are you freaking kidding me??? And that’s the mild version of what I’m really thinking. Could his racism be any more blatant?

It’s laughable to me that McCain and his cohorts would call the Obamas “uppity,” though McCain himself has not used that word. Instead, he’s gone with the euphemism “elite.” A man who went to boarding school, whose father and grandfather were admirals in the US Navy is calling Obama elite? Because he went to Ivy League schools? The horror! A poor man studied hard, earned grades that earned him entry into our nation’s finest schools. How dare he! Doesn’t he know his place?

The problem is, most Americans have a history of being poor at one time or another. Should the wealth only stay with certain families? My maternal grandfather was an immigrant. He worked hard, played by the rules (as Obama says) and EARNED millions. My father was a poor boy from Brooklyn who also played by the rules, earned grades good enough for the distinction of Phi Beta Kappa and a scholarship to Yale. As a Jewish boy, he might have even gotten into Yale because of pressure to accept Jews.

My problem with the Republican party is that my family would probably be accepted with open arms now that we have money. But what about when we didn’t? What if my family once needed food stamps?

Obama recognizes that sometimes the gov’t needs to help those who are trying to help themselves. I don’t see that from the other side of the aisle. Unless, of course, you’re carrying a child. Then you’re a poster child. But what about once the baby is born to the unwed pregnant teen. Sorry, honey, you’re out of luck. Stay off welfare. Suck it up. But while you’re pregnant, you’re precious. You’re a vessel carrying life. Cue the harps.

Nope, not this election cycle. Not this time. I won’t be duped. I can’t be persuaded by rhetoric. The facts state the truth I am seeking. Obama wants the nation to stand for the principle of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. McCain wants the status quo. Life, libery and the pursuit of happiness for the rich. And during election season, he’ll deal with the pesky blue collar workers, but that’s only because he needs their vote. But what in his policy proposals answers the needs of America as a nation? Victory in Iraq? If someone could tell me who our enemy is, maybe I could get behind the idea of victory, Without an enemy, there can be no victory. But there are a lot of dead and wounded that the current administration isn’t taking care of.

I realize I’m rambling. It’s late, what can I say? It irks me to no end when the GOP questions my patriotism because I don’t support an illegal war. *I* support the troops. Does our gov’t? I think the only answer is a resounding no.

So my answer to the party in power is an equally resounding no.

On that note, I wish all of you a good night…

8 09 2008
Bystander

sexphd (23:29:50) :Since when is experience a pre-requisite for being a vice president? All she will need to do is preside over the senate and visit other countries representing the US … I think she’ll do that just fine.

I don’t know about others, but I think this question is kind of cool.
I’m going to venture that experience has arguably been a prerequisite for the vice presidency since the first Presidential election, in 1789. I cannot believe that experience did not play a pivotal role in voters’ minds when presented with the reality that, while the winner was elected President, the runner-up became Vice President. But, I could be wrong.

8 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

I just bought some TV ads, not for the pres campaign but for some other event I’m sponsoring. Were you aware that your local station has all kinds of stats on you and who watches what and at what time slot. The cable and satilite networks have the same kind of stats and yes they know at the very moment you tune in and tune out, so can move an add to a time when everyone is tuned in, thus more of some kinds of ads when they know seniors, kids, mothers etc are tuned in to certain possible products/services. Thus you pay big bucks to get to your market, don’t even ask what was paid for air time at the last two conventions. Marketing to you in this way is a major big deal these days. Spiders online can gather information on how many hits a given site is getting, so each time you come here they will know that even if you don’t sign in with your real name and such. In this day and age you need to assume someone knows more than you ever dreamed about you and your viewing habits, your eating habits, banking habits, sleeping habits, and yes even your sex habits…each word you type here can be tracked on google and when enough “hits” show up on certain words, someone is counting, when the count goes up to a certain number someone is trolling for that info and about to use that info for something that serves them in some way.

Now you can be afraid of this or you can learn how to live with it, and adjust to the New World Order, it isn’t going to go away unless we give up eating, sleeping and breathing online or off, inquiring minds want to know and will find out…just like we are doing here by exchanging information.

The human mind and the computer are both information gathering tools, use them or lose them.

8 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

I just wrote some protest e-mails to MSNBC. I hate David Gregory and I’m always wondering how he ever got a show.

He’s just another Tucker Carlson without a bow tie, and I told them so.

Olbermann and Matthews don’t deserve this at all. They are just too honest, if you ask me, and they don’t “pretend” very well when Brokaw or Williams tell them to act like little gentlemen.

I hope MSNBC gets inundated with emails today.

8 09 2008
charlotte

The KO and CM thing is interesting. I like them both and am hoping, perhaps naively, that MSNBC is giving itself some cover. I’m hoping that the new KO-Rachel Maddow time block is going to come out swinging in the next several weeks. Maddow gave an indication of what she might do last Friday night by calling the McCain campaign out … “lying.” Straight up.

If having that kind of honesty on the tube 2 hours a night, five days a week, is what MSNBC is planning on, then I’m okay with having DG (ugh) in charge of the debate coverage. And KO and CM may actually be more effective as commentators on that score.

We’ll see. I may be deluding myself. The stress and strain of these last few weeks is going to be pretty near unbearable.

8 09 2008
Lani

Ishtar (23:17:13) & Smitty (21:25:03) :

«What really bothers me is in June when Hillary conceded, my Mom, a devoted Hillary supporter cried. She hadn’t cried since my Dad died 8 years ago. But she cried. She believed that Obama, while a good man, is a set up by the neo cons because she feels he is unelectable.»

I know how she felt & thought the same thing. I watched the media bring Hillary down and praise Obama. I told my son (elated that Obama was winning) that people were being manipulated. Obama would be hit so fast, he wouldn’t see it coming. The Clintons know how it works, Obama doesn’t, and the “inevitability” of Obama as pres would vanish like the inevitability of HRClinton as DNC nominee.

Now the media is drooling over Palin-McCain. It happens just like that. And credentialed press were arrested and battered outside the RNC convention by police & Secret Service. (Check out NPR for info.)

I’m fighting heart and soul for Obama now. I spent 10 seconds on an I-told-you-so, and then got to work. The stakes are too high to waste a minute.

8 09 2008
Maggie

I wondered how long MSNBC would let Keith show his passion. Now I know. They’ve caved, and given Bill Orally much to be gleeful about tonight. I am disgusted. Eric Alterman has a great blog Altercation on Media Matters. His mantra is “What liberal media?” Guess what? There isn’t one. Pretty much all we’ve got left is internet blogs that loinfo voters will never read. I am afraid for my country.

8 09 2008
syt

Rabbler,

The McCains have investment ties with a company that disposes of embryos with birth defects:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13194.html

ds55,
Palin’s last three children were all born about one year before Palin won in office (2 mayoral campaigns, and the governor’s campaign), so that probably means that she was campaigning very soon after her last three children.

8 09 2008
Pat

“Those that can make you believe absurdities; can make you commit atrocieties.” –
Voltaire

8 09 2008
charlotte

I don’t think for one minute that the Obama campaign was unprepared for any of this. And that they are not expecting far worse to come. Obama doesn’t show his hand — Thus far, he’s relied on his rivals overplaying theirs. I think that beneath the cool rather detached cucumber we see on our tv screens, there’s a real Chicago-style brawler. Just because he doesn’t advertise the nasty doesn’t mean the Obama campaign isn’t capable of playing the game in stealth mode. That’s my perception and also my most fervent wish.

8 09 2008
Sue

Nate –

Gallup also predicted that Thomas Dewey would beat Harry Truman. Take heart!

8 09 2008
Anonymous

I also sent an email to msnbc last night.

A totally different view on teenage pregnancies.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/27932254.html?page=1&c=y

Let me know if you can’t view it. Sometimes you can and sometimes, cough, you have to log in to your account to view it.

8 09 2008
THE EQUALIZER

Dukakis was skewered by twisted stories about rapists and released prisoners because he wanted to appear reasonable. War hero Kerry got swift-boated by men who never served in the military. Is Obama now going to let himself get moosed by a parochial Alaskan know-nothing because she’s a woman?

Time to get mad. At Palin. At McCain. At Bush

8 09 2008
Smitty

Hey Palmdale (I’m right below you in LA)

Mom IS voting for him, but she lives in the “Alabama in the middle” part of NoEa PA. She’s a former teacher, librarian, union member, but most of her neighbors aren’t educated. Most lack a hs degree. Most are avid hunters. Most would have supported Hillary. Most are racist to some degree or other but would never say that to anyone. It isn’t her I’m worried about. It’s the others. How do we combat racism in those that honestly haven’t had ANY contact with anyone who doesn’t look like them. Hunting and guns are HUGE in PA. 2nd largest NRA state in the union.

Thanks for the kind words….I’m voting Obama and want to start a 527 to fight with heavy artillary while I write and campaign.

8 09 2008
Amused

For Cricket and others interested in understanding Obama’s economic philosophy and policies, please read “Obamanomics” by David Leonhardt that appeared in the NYT magazine on August 24, 2008. It shows how Obama’s view of the market and the economic responsibilities of government is far more complex than the “tax and spend” label that’s been traditionally applied to Democrats. It demonstrates that Obama is both thoughtful and innovative with respect to fiscal policy and understands the issues at a deep level.

On another note, I am proud to say that both my parents, who have been lifelong Republicans and are in their 70s, are voting for Obama. My mother is even manning phone banks for Obama.

8 09 2008
Chicago

Re: Charlie Gibson interview.
Keep the tv BUT change to PBS!
The discussions are far more intelligent and we always hear how the Conservative want to axe it. PBS will get the net viewers.

Re: Cricket
I ask respectfully.
Dose is it not bother you that SP is a member of AIP? She is prepared to cast off her US citizen if their goals were met? What does this say about the POW war hero and his wisdom of selection?

Is it ‘sporting’ to kill wolves from an airplane?

As a Catholic, we are challenged to be stewards of the planet.
See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/27/catholicism.religion
Does SP ignorance of global warming, the plight of endangered species concern you? Do you believe deep in your heart that the GOP is better on this issue?

Read SP own op-ed letter to the NYT on the polar bears. Why? No one eats them.

8 09 2008
Anonymous

Apologies if this link is already been noted…

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08carr.html?hp

The article says it is about Palin and the media but the author doesn’t even try to explain why a Veep nominee won’t hold a press conference with being sure of the the proper degree of “respect and deference”. More of the, “gee, my mom wouldn’t talk to those awful reporters either” thinking.

Trying to be an “informed voter” in 2008 is going to be REAL work!

8 09 2008
Susie in Jersey

I didn’t take time to read all the comments to this thread and I’m certain someone else has already pointed this out, but I’ll do so again:

The fact alone that Palin has not been allowed to be interviewed says that she is NOT prepared to be VP let alone POTUS. She is being “schooled” to give the proper responses. Will she pass or fail?

8 09 2008
Jojin

Cricket, Please don’t go. We need healthy discourse and different points of view. How else will we broaden our outlook? They say a ” A mind once stretched can never go back to its original dimensions” . I know I can learn something from you. Although it is comforting to hang around like-minded people – what is the point hearing only one-sided arguments? In other countries I have sat up all night argued about some pretty flaming topics and we have parted as friends leaving with a healthy respect for each other. We need that openness and trust in this country.

8 09 2008
SP obsessed

I hope Gibson mentions her Alaskan flag lapel pin, given all the s**t he and Stephanopoulos gave Obama about his lapel pin issues.

8 09 2008
Ms. Democrat

Wow!! No bi-partisonship here

8 09 2008
Scotsgirl

I just came in from the local Bagel shop and had gotten into a conversation with two senior gentlemen and lady. All three are incensed about Sarah Palin for VP. One for sure had previously voted Repub, the other two not sure. I live in Texas and so was very pleased to hear them being so vocal.

Also in the neighbourhood I counted 6 yard signs for Obama and one only for Mc Cain so far. I ask everyone I come in contact with to check their voter registration and am trying to engage everyone in a discussion about it. I am finding a common thread too with ‘Oh she’s a Mom and isn’t it great, so am I?!’ Also, always voted Repub so can’t be bothered thinking otherwise. Then the old favourite, Obama will tax us more – this is a wealthy neighbourhood and that sucks to me – Oh I’m alright jack, I could care less about anyone else, I have healthcare, retirement etc etc

My other conversation point to friends and women alike – Did you ever use any form of birth control? Do you understand SP is against that?

I too have volunteered at my local HQ and donated after the RNP Debacle.
I do wish the Dems would get a little more forceful though….

8 09 2008
fawnskin
8 09 2008
8 09 2008
fawnskin

i can’t seem to get a comment posted about a blog columnist on aol who shows a pic of palin with a pro bridge tee shirt. darn it.

8 09 2008
fawnskin

maybe someone else can figure a way to post the pic

Obama Camp Sends Out Embarrassing Palin Pic
By Tommy Christopher
Sep 8th 2008 12:40PM
Filed Under:eRepublicans, John McCain, 2008 President, Sarah Palin

The Obama campaign sent out a memo today, along with the accompanying picture, to challenge Palin’s claim that she opposed Ted Stevens’ “Bridge to Nowhere” earmark. (via email)
I Supported the Bridge to Nowhere and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt

Given that the McCain campaign again claimed that Governor Palin opposed the “Bridge to Nowhere” in their new ad today despite the fact that the claim has been repeatedly debunked, we thought you’d be interested in seeing the following photograph from Governor Palin’s 2006 campaign in which she’s proudly posing with a t-shirt that reads “NOWHERE ALASKA 99901”:
I don’t know what the big deal is. I used to watch “Trading Spaces,” and they would call this “good use of negative space.”

The memo’s headline is a nice touch, but in case that was all too subtle, they threw in a quote from WaPo’s Howard Kurtz for good measure:
“[T]he whopper here is that Palin opposed her state’s notorious Bridge to Nowhere. She endorsed the remote project while running for governor in 2006, claimed to be an opponent only after Congress killed its funding the next year and has used the $223 million provided for it for other state ventures. Far from being an opponent of earmarks, Palin hired lobbyists to try to capture more federal funding.”
I think Palin meant to say she’s an opponent of “remakes.” I agree, especially those “reimaginings” like Mission: Impossible. Jim Phelps would never have done that.

Or it could be that Palin is the perfect symbol for McCain’s Republican Party. In a country whose people overwhelmingly think it is going in the wrong direction, McCain and Palin want to keep going, right off of that bridge to nowhere.
Tommy Christopher co-hosts “Unusable Signal” on BlogTalkRadio, debuting Friday at 11pm. Click here for the Unusable Signal homepage.

8 09 2008
Thencamebronson

Ah yes, MSNBC dumps Keith and Chris for Gregory. The same Gregory who has publicly stated his admiration for Karl Rove(“…I like Karl, he’s a political genius…”) and was seen prancing on stage with Rove in the racially questionable rap routine,M.C. Rove, at the correspondents’ dinner.

Gawd I miss Hunter Thompson!!!

8 09 2008
rachelbirds

Would be great if we
could just talk about issues —
guess it can’t happen.

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/september-8-2008-9/

8 09 2008
Kiko

Ask her to release the contents of the speech she gave in Texas behind closed doors to Oil Execs and Rep. Governors just before she had to rush home to deliver Trig. Then was back at work 3 days later:

Gov. Sarah Palin was back at work Monday in Anchorage, holding a meeting on the proposed natural gas pipeline three days after giving birth to her fifth child.

8 09 2008
Kiko

I miss Molly Irvins, she’d have been at the bottom of the Texas talks, pdq.

8 09 2008
Nikki

Cricket.
I’m a liberal. always have been, undoubtedly always will be. I found myself, during the primaries, “trolling” conservative blogs to defend my party and candidate. Along the way, however, I realized that I needed to step back. The people that hold steadfast to their beliefs (as I do mine) are probably not inclined to switch their affiliation because of something a poster says in a blog. When I found this site, I was delighted. Delighted not only to have facts to look up, but I found…my choir. Let’s face it…short of me finding out Obama is a serial killer, I’m not going to change my opinion…so it’s nice to come somewhere with likeminded folks. And I’m sure the same can be said for many, many conservatives. Look, I read Barack’s first book a while before he threw his hat in the ring (my son is bi-racial and doesn’t have a great father figure, we were unable to get a good Big Brother for him…yada yada). I found him to be a very thoughtful human being. I appreciated his struggle to find himself and his place in the world. And since then, I’ve been impressed with him on so many levels. Aside from the fact that his stand on policies is more in line with my own beliefs, I find other qualities in him that I feel would make him a great leader. Integrity, mindfulness, tolerance, intelligence, confidence. He seems to have a deep peace in himself and has a very even temperament. He seems to be a great leader. Now of course, these things are my opinion from what I see in him. I could never support Palin because aside from the fact that we’re both women, everything she stands for and believes in is the polar opposite of my beliefs. I’m offended, too, when I hear all this crap about the “liberal media” being biased in Obama’s favor. For many months, every time I looked online or watched the news, there was more negative spin against Obama…personal and political. What I’ve seen is the media treating McCain as their darling for years. Nothing is ever brought up about his womanizing or boozing. Of course, Republicans might say that was 30 years ago (in fact, it was less than 30)…so what. He was an adult. Is that not a major character flaw? I think if that were found out about Obama…it would be all over the internet, network and cable news, etc. He did a lot of less than ethical and honorable things since his return from Vietnam…but it’s like his POW status has given him a free pass…indefinitely. Hillary wasn’t given a free pass…and now we are expected to give Palin a free pass because…well, I don’t know why exactly conservatives think that…but it appears to be what is expected. I’m starting to get riled up and I’m rambling now. I’m so angry at so much that has gone on during this election. I actually watched both conventions. I was proud during the DNC. There was more hope and inspiration, less smearing of the other side. Then I watched the RNC…and that is almost all there was. Negativity, sarcasm, insults. I was very glad that I’m not a Republican. Hey…Rev. Wright was all over the news. If Palin’s extremist preacher isn’t going to get any coverage…then bloggers have the right to air their grievances. Rezko was all over the news…there’s little to nothing on Palin’s attempts at censorship. The only news person I’ve seen call bullshit on the claims that Palin somehow has anything to do with deploying the Alaskan nation guard is Campbell Brown. No one who watched that interview could say that she was over the line…except the McCain campaign who swiftly retracted an interview with Larry King. And what exactly was over the line…that Ms. Brown pushed for an actual example of Gov. Palin’s experience and then pointed out that the experience given was not true? Ok…I’m losing focus. It seems every time I start thinking about it all, I get angry. I haven’t posted until now because…quite honestly, the vast majority of the posters here are voicing everything that I want to. So, you did accomplish one thing here…you compelled me to post. But there’s not a blogger in the world, including you, that could convince me that a) McCain/Palin is a great ticket for our country or b) that what this country needs is President Obama and Vice President Biden.
Thanks.
And thanks for this site…it’s nice to come in here and be amongst you all.

8 09 2008
drchill

——— Carbon Sequestration ———-

The GOP is hands down in favor of it.The 100 lbs of carbon that is Sarah Palin has been sequestered for over 10 days without seeing her in an open forum. No interviews no press conferences.
Is an open forum the oxygen that will burn Sarah Barracuda ( burn burn burn burn to the wick – Heart ‘Barracuda’ )

Sarah Palin is unprepared to speak on her own, and unprepared to be president.

unprepared

8 09 2008
drchill

rachelbirds –

What issues would you like to talk about?
There’s a blog for just about everything.
This one is about … well you figure it out …

8 09 2008
Gwynda

this is so sexist. if the VP choice was a man, he would be expected to get out there and deal with the press. I hate it when women (and I am one) are held to special standards.

8 09 2008
deb in oregon

we can rail all we want, but the reality is McCain/Palin have the momentum… they got the bounce at the convention and the latest polls indicate 50% McCain/Palin, 46% Obama/Biden…. Obama is asking us to go door to door with his neighborhood to neighborhood online plan http://my.barackobama.com/modules/votercontact/login_signup.php
check it out

8 09 2008
Anonymous

I’m confused about the dates for Track Palin’s supposed bus vandal incident. Frontiersman article is dated Dec 5, 2005. But Track was in Michigan for hockey at the time?

8 09 2008
Karen

Nikki,
Excellent post. I’m getting ready to explode as I watch what is happening in the media coverage of the 2 campaigns. Any criticism and the Repubs throw a tantrum like a spoiled child and the media caves in. The Dems never hit back hard enough but more importantly they don’t lead the attack.
Of course everyone knows who and what Drudge is but the MSM follows his lead like sheep. I’ve never seen his site as blatantly partisan as it has been since Palin stepped into the race. There has not been one negative story posted. When he posted the developing NYT story about the Palin baby last night, I knew it would be the fluff piece that it is. Yesterday he immediately posted Obama’s muslim comment – a complete overplayed, nonstory. Yet there isn’t one word about Palin’s Fannie and Freddie gaffe which is of immense importance. Consequently, I’ve heard the muslim mixup repeated on tv but so far have not heard any mention of Plalin’s ignorance (and probably won’t till KO and Maddow come on tonight.)
At least Oprah stood up to him even though he did the best he could to force Palin onto her show.
Maybe it’s time to call for a boycott of Drudge.

8 09 2008
Anonymous

—dates for Track Palin

Track Palin was a sophomore wing (and feisty) on Jan 30, 2005 (Anchorage Daily News).

The bus vandal incident in Wasilla was Dec. 5, 2005 (Frontiersman), which would be Track Palin’s junior year. Can’t find a mention of Palin junior year playing for Wasilla in the Anchorage Daily News but maybe that’s only because he was less feisty.

Track was in Michigan for Senior year hockey. And signed up for military service in Sept. 2007.

Doesn’t seem to me that the bus vandal incident had much impact on Track’s life.

8 09 2008
Laurie

Charlotte…I agree. The repubs lose this time. Obama knows exactly what he is doing.

Its good we are so fired up…it will ensure that we can encourage people to go out and vote. I am maintaining my faith in Obama…”yes we can…yes we will”

8 09 2008
Scotsgirl

While trying to educate my’ friends’ I received this
Pay attention to the tax items! Especially the capital gains taxes on homes that will virtually destroy the nest eggs for retirees.

2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

ISSUE JOHN McCAIN
BARAK OBAMA

Favors new drilling offshore US
Yes
No

Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
Yes
No

Served in the US Armed Forces
Yes
No

Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS
173 DAYS

Will institute a socialized national health care plan
No
Yes

Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
No
Yes

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No
Yes

Supports gun ownership rights
Yes
No

Supports homosexual marriage
No
Yes

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
No
Yes

Voted against making English the official language
No
Yes

Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
No
Yes

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% – (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that ‘Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.’)

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)
Single making 30K – tax $4,500
Single making 50K – tax $12,500
Single making 75K – tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K – tax $18,750
Married making 125K – tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K – tax $8,400
Single making 50K – tax $14,000
Single making 75K – tax $23,250
Married making 60K – tax $16,800
Married making 75K – tax $21,000
Married making 125K – tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
– 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren’t high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least….New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

You can verify the above at the following web sites:

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/

Help with a response please,
A x

8 09 2008
FactChecker

It will be all softballs, all the time. Gibson doesn’t care about anything but making sure his capital gains taxes don’t go up.

Lucky him–he’s got both capital and gains, unlike the rest of us who are drowning in BushCo land.

8 09 2008
FactChecker

You might also note that the Gallup Daily polls are national numbers, not the electoral college numbers. Obama is in a much better position, state by state. That said, the more we blog and work for a real change, the more likely we will see it in November.

8 09 2008
DeMo

Scotsgirl,

Here is a reply from FactCheck.org.:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html

8 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

@Scotgirl –

After today’s bail-out of Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae, you’re going to have higher taxes no matter what. Remind your Republican friends that was Mssrs. Bush and McCain who allowed the warning signs to go on much longer than they should have. . . the real question is: Are you better off today than you were before W took office?

8 09 2008
kimosabe

The questions I want posed to Gov. Palin:

1. The pastor of your church stated, with you in attendance, that Palestinian attacks against Israel are God’s judgment against Jews for not becoming Christian. Do you support this view? If not, did you publicly express your disagreement? Why do you continue to support this pastor and attend this church?

[fully reported, with video of the pastor’s remarks, on MSNBC. Does Palin have a “Rev. Wright” problem?]

2. Do you support running down wolves with state airplanes and helicopters until the wolves are exhausted, then shooting them? [undeniably and adamantly, she does. A follow-up might be, “do you hold this policy because your husband and father want to shoot more moose?” but that, while true, might not be cricket.]

3. The founder of the Alaska Independence Party, Joe Vogler, said, “The fires of Hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.” Your husband is a member of the AKIP, and you recently gave them a speech saying “keep up the good work.” Do you also hold hatred for the American government? If not, why do you support this radical fringe party? [thanks Muckraker for the Vogler quote]

4. Do the “community organizers” you mocked in your VP acceptance speech include the Wasilla PTA where you began your political career? Does the Wasilla PTA have any responsibilities? Do you think other community organizations have responsibilities?

8 09 2008
nikki

thank you, karen. what i’d like to see posted somewhere is what abc had to agree to in order to get the palin interview. think that’s possible. i hope he treats her as respectfully and intelligently as he did barack in that pathetic excuse for a debate back in april.
and while i’m ranting…on the way in to work this morning, i listened to a bunch of irate, conservative callers on the radio…they’re fed up with “liberal media” trying to control everything. the discussion was about oprah not having palin on. do ya think they realize that…there’s a difference between entertainment media and news media? i mean…i’m just curious. i like oprah. i LOVE jon stewart. and honestly, i’m starting to feel like the daily show is the only damn “news” out there that reports the truth…just cuz it’s funny doesn’t make it untrue. but…i used to be of the belief that people understood it was entertainment as opposed to real news. am i insane for thinking that? what gives?

8 09 2008
KTN

“Sarah Palin will have the opportinity to speak to the American people,” Davis said. “She will do interviews, but she’ll do them on the terms and conditions” the campaign decides.

Since when do the candidates for national office get to decide if they are ready and comfortable for the press. If they are not ready and comfortable for the press, they are not ready to serve.

9 09 2008
misskae

Opinion piece by Jeanne Brooks from today’s Greenville SC newspaper:

Use The Same Rules For Women And Men In Politics
http://tinyurl.com/59tlhg

“Frankly, it’s none of our business how Sarah Palin intends to take care of her kids if she gets to be vice president or, if fate rolls the dice that way, ends up president of the United States. This is one of those things families decide for themselves. We don’t knock on our neighbors’ doors and inquire about their child-care plans. . .
“. . .But as for questions about her experience, her views on foreign policy and preparation for conducting it, her views on domestic policy and preparation for conducting it, her understanding of the economy, and all the rest — well, not only are those questions fair, they are absolutely essential. They need to be asked of and answered by anyone running for the nation’s top two offices. And asked again if they aren’t answered the first or second times. And followed-up with more questions if the answers require explanation.
Dear Rick Davis: If any of the above occurs when Palin eventually gets around to taking questions, that won’t make the questioning sexist.
“. . .Special deference for a woman candidate maybe looks pretty but, same as layers and layers of long frilled petticoats, it’s seriously limiting. Not to mention sexist.”

http://tinyurl.com/59tlhg

Jeanne Brooks as an intelligent and calm voice of reason – I think she’s the token liberal on this newspaper.

9 09 2008
misskae

ok, sorry the link didn’t work (embarrassing!) If you want to read the whole thing, go to greenvilleonline.com and look for the opinion pages, Jeanne Brooks.
SORRY!

9 09 2008
tumba

Exposing Five Dangerous Lies in McCain’s Big Speech
By , AlterNet
Posted on September 6, 2008, Printed on September 9, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/97813/

Editor’s note: Much of the best information on the 2008 election can’t be found in newspapers or magazines, or TV and radio, or websites — it’s on email. The article below is an email response sent out by critics of McCain’s RNC speech singling out inaccurate statements the GOP nominee made to the nation on critical issues of the day.

False McCain Claim: “My health care plan will make it easier for more Americans to find and keep good health care insurance.”

Facts: McCain’s Health Care Plan Does Little to Reduce the Ranks of America’s Uninsured and Would Erode the Employer-Based System

Under McCain’s Plan, Health Insurance Benefits Would be Taxed For The First Time, Resulting In A $3.6 Trillion Tax Increase On Working Families. McCain’s health care plan would eliminate the payroll deduction on health care benefits, which would have the effect of raising taxes on working families by $3.6 trillion. [New York Times, 5/1/08]

McCain’s Plan Undermines The Employer-Based Health Care System And Will Lead To Workers Losing Coverage. McCain’s health care plan would begin to dismantle the employer-based health care system, removing the incentives employers have to provide health care coverage, resulting in employees losing their health care. [New York Times, 4/30/08;Washington Post, 4/30/08]

The Health Care Tax Credit McCain Offers Would Cover Less Than Half The Cost Of An Average Health Care Plan. The McCain health plan would give families a $5,000 tax credit to purchase health insurance. However, in 2007, the average family health insurance plan cost $12,000 – more than double the value of McCain’s health care tax credit. [“Employer Health Benefits 2007 Annual Survey,” Kaiser Family Foundation, 9/11/07; “‘Call To Action’ On Health Care Reform,” John McCain 2008 press release, 4/29/08; Wall Street Journal, 10/11/07]

McCain’s Health Care Plan Does Little to Help America’s Uninsured. McCain’s plan does not focus on “reducing the ranks of the uninsured,” of which there are about 47 million, or one in seven Americans. According to the New York Times, “The McCain campaign has no estimate of how many of America’s 47 million uninsured would likely gain coverage under its plan.” It “has been estimated to reduce the number of uninsured in the U.Sby three to nine million.” [Wall Street Journal, 10/11/2007, 4/30/2008; New York Times, 3/2/2008]

McCain’s Erosion Of Employer System Would Take Away Millions of Americans’ Insurance. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, “158 million people nationally” had “employer-sponsored health insurance” in 2007. McCain’s elimination of the employer tax incentive to provide coverage would put these 158 million Americans’ coverage in jeopardy. According to an analysis conducted by the Center For American Progress, “business owners would no longer need to cover their workers to get tax benefits for their own coverageThe entire employer health insurance system could unravel, ending this as an option for Americans who prefer it.” In addition, the McCain plan “would not require insurers to provide health coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.” [Kaiser Family Foundation, “Employer Health Benefits 2007 Annual Survey; Center For American Progress Action Fund, “Analysis of McCain’s Health Care Announcement,” 4/29/2008; New York Times Political Blog, “The Caucus,” 4/29/2008,

Oil Companies:

False McCain Attack: “Both parties and Senator Obama passed another corporate welfare bill for oil companies.”

The Facts: Energy Bill Actually Raised Taxes on Oil and Gas Industry, McCain Supports Tax Breaks for Big Oil

AP Fact Check: Congressional Research Service Showed That The Energy Bill Actually Raised Taxes On The Oil And Gas Industry. The AP reported, “Clinton is on shakier ground when attacking Obama for supporting “Dick Cheney’s energy bill,” and not just because it’s a stretch to assign the vice president name – red meat to Democrats – to the legislation. The 2005 act that she describes as packed with billions of dollars in oil industry breaks actually raised taxes on the oil and gas industry by about $300 million over 11 years, according to the Congressional Research Service. The nonpartisan analysis found $2.6 billion in tax cuts for the oil and gas industry and $2.9 billion in tax increases. The bulk of tax breaks went to other sources of energy, including alternative fuels favored by both Clinton and Obama.” [AP, 2/15/08]

McCain’s Tax Plan Will Cut Taxes For Oil Companies by Nearly $4 Billion – Including $1.2 Billion for Exxon. A study by the Center for American Progress Action Fund noted that the corporate tax rate cut included in the McCain tax plan “would deliver a $3.8 billion tax cut to the five largest American oil companies” – ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Valero Energy, and Marathon. According to their analysis ofExxon’s financial statements, the company would receive a tax savings of $1.2 billion under the McCain plan. [“The McCain Plan to Cut Oil CompanyTaxes by Nearly $4 Billion,” Center for American Progress Action Fund, 3/27/08]

McCain Spokesman: McCain Opposes A Bipartisan Compromise to Expand Domestic Oil Production Because of Provisions that Would End Tax Breaks for Oil Companies. “A spokesman for Sen. McCain said that while he ‘applauds the bipartisan effort,’ he wouldn’t support the proposal because ‘he cannot and will not support legislation that raises taxes.'” [Wall Street Journal,8/2/08] ###

Trade

False McCain Attack: “I will open new markets to our goods and services. My opponent will close them.”

The Facts: When Obama Negotiate Trade Deals, It Will Be With American Workers in Mind; McCain Supported Deals That Cost Americans Jobs

Obama Said That While “We’re Not Going To Draw A Moat” Around The US, Trade Deals Had To Be Negotiated With American Workers In Mind.

“The AP reported, “Obama said he supports the foreign trade deal, which is especially important to labor and U.S. manufacturers. He said active trading is a key way to keep the United States competitive. ‘We’re not going to draw a moat around the United States’ economy. If we do that, then China is still trading, India is still going to be trading,’ said Obama, who voted against the recent Central American Free Trade Agreement and opposes the pending trade deal with South Korea. ‘I think that NAFTA and CAFTA did not reflect the interests of American workers but reflected the interests of the stock owners on Wall Street, because they did not contain the sorts of labor provisions and environmental provisions that should have been embedded and should have been enforceable in those agreements,’ he said.” [AP, 10/10/07]

McCain Supported NAFTA, Which Contributed to Loss of a Million American Jobs, And CAFTA. John McCain supported both the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). The Economic Policy Institute has estimated that NAFTA contributed to the loss of 1 million American jobs since it took effect in 1994. [Vote 395, HR 3450, 61-38, 11/20/93; Vote 170, S.1307, 54-45, 6/30/05; “Revisiting NAFTA; Still not working for North America’s workers,” The Economic Policy Institute,9/28/06]

McCain: I Am The Biggest Free Marketer And Free Trader. “Well, obviously we should make sure that every nation respects human rights, and we should advocate that and try to enforce it. But I will open every market in the world to Iowa’s agricultural products. I’m the biggest free marketer and free trader that you will ever see.” [GOP Debate, 12/12/07]

McCain Praised NAFTA But Admitted That People Are “Gonna Lose Jobs.” “I know NAFTA was a good idea. It’s created millions of jobs and it has helped the economies of all three nations. All you have to do is go to Detroit and see the thousands of trucks lined up every day or go to our southern border. There have been winners and losers and that’s the problem but free trade is something I think is vital to the future of America. As a free trader, I will open up every market in the world to Iowa agricultural products. Have people lost jobs? Yes, they have. And they’re gonna lose jobs although the overall gain in jobs is gonna be pretty impressive.” [Des Moines Register, 11/27/07]

McCain: I Don’t Care How Many Jobs You Outsource. Responding to a question about the economy during an appearance on Hardball, McCain said, “If we start seeing what a lot of us expect, and that is a strong economy cannot go forever without picking up jobs. I don’t care how many of them you outsource, then I think the president is going to be helped by that.” [MSNBC, “Hardball,” 2/25/04]

McCain Acknowledges Trade Agreements Have Cost America Jobs, Still Believes Agreements Have “Been Very Successful.” “McCain has said the trade pacts have been a net positive. ‘Overall, the free-trade agreements have been very successful, and I can prove that with economic data on job creation,’ McCain said in an interview Monday with the Journal Sentinel. But he added, ‘It has left people behind, and we must give those people and others opportunities.'” [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 4/16/08]

Taxes

McCain’s False Attacks: “I will keep taxes low and cut them where I can. My opponent will raise them.”

The Facts: Obama Will Cut Taxes, McCain Will Raise Them — David Leonhardt of The New York Times Wrote That, “For Most People, Obama Is The Tax Cutter In This Campaign.”

Leonhardt wrote that, ” The Tax Policy Center, a research group run by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, has done the most detailed analysis of the Obama and McCain tax plans, and it has published a series of fascinating tables. For the bottom 80 percent of the population — those households making $118,000 or less — McCain’s various tax cuts would mean a net savings of about $200 a year on average. Obama’s proposals would bring $900 a year in savings. So for most people, Obama is the tax cutter in this campaign.” [The New York Times, 8/24/08]

Analysts Say That Obama’s Tax Cut Plan “Offers Three Times The Break For Middle Class Families Than Proposals” Of McCain. “The tax cut plan of Democratic nominee to be Barack Obama offers three times the break for middle class families than proposals of likely Republican nominee John McCain, according to analysts working for a left-leaning think tank. Families making between $37,595 and $66,354 of annual income with Obama would get an average tax cut of $1,042 per family while McCain’s tax cut for this group would be $319, the report states.” [Nashua Telegraph, 6/12/08]

Under Obama’s Plan The Middle Of The Middle Class Would See Taxes Cut By $1,042 A Year; McCain’s Tax Plan Would Give Them Only A $319 Tax Cut. According to the non partisan Tax Policy Center’s computations, “under Mr. Obama’s plan, the middle of the middle class, or those earning $37,595 to $66,354, would see taxes cut by $1,042 a year. Under Mr. McCain’s plan, taxes for people in that category would also fall, but by $319; the largest chunk of the benefits would go to those making $2.8 million a year or more.” [New York Times, 6/13/08]

Washington Post: McCain’s Approach To Taxes Is Far More Costly Than Obama’s. “There is a serious debate to be had in this presidential campaign about the fundamentally different tax policies of Barack Obama and John McCain. Then there is the phony, misleading and at times outright dishonest debate that the McCain campaign has been waging — most recently with a television ad. The two candidates have very different positions on taxes. Mr. Obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans and cut them substantially for low- and middle-income taxpayers. He would cut taxes for more households, and by a larger amount, than Mr. McCain, who would give the greatest benefits to wealthy households and corporations. The McCain campaign insists on completely misrepresenting Mr. Obama’s plan. The country can’t afford the tax cuts either man is promising, although Mr. McCain’s approach is by far the more costly. We don’t expect either side to admit that. But neither side should get to outright lie about its opponent’s positions, either.” [Editorial, Washington Post, 8/31/08]

ABC Headline: McCain Health Credit Could Morph Into Tax Hike. McCain’s “health-care plan would replace the existing tax exclusion for employer-sponsored coverage with a refundable tax credit for all Americans. The tax change is intended to create a more equitable system that provides everyone — including those who do not receive their health coverage from their employer — with the same tax advantage. And since it is refundable, it would provide a cash benefit to those who earn too little to pay federal income taxes. But if the cost of health care continues to outpace inflation in the economy at large, McCain’s health credit would morph into a tax hike for those who currently receive a tax exclusion for employer-sponsored coverage, according to a study released Wednesday by the liberal Center for American Progress.” [ABC News, 7/2/08] McCain’s Health Care Plan Would Raises Taxes On Families By $1,169 In 2013. According to a report by the Center for American Progress, the tax credit in McCain’s health care plan would fall behind rising health premiums and would raise taxes for the average family by $1,169 in 2013. [“John McCain’s Radical Prescription for Health Care,” Center for American Progress Action Fund, 7/2//08]

McCain’s Campaign “Acknowledged” That His Health Care Plan “Would Have The Effect Of Increasing Tax Payments For Some Workers.” “Though Senator John McCain has promised to not raise taxes, his campaign acknowledged Wednesday that the health plan he outlined this week would have the effect of increasing tax payments for some workers, primarily those with high incomes and expensive health plans. The campaign cannot yet project how many taxpayers might see their taxes go up, said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Mr. McCain’s top domestic policy adviser. But Mr. Holtz-Eakin said in an interview that for some, Mr. McCain’s health care tax credits would not be large enough to compensate for his proposal to eliminate the tax breaks afforded to workers with employer-provided health benefits. To end the disadvantage to those who do not buy insurance through employers, Mr. McCain proposes to eliminate the exclusion of health benefits from taxable income. In exchange, he would provide refundable tax credits of $2,500 to single people and of $5,000 to families, with the goal of stoking competition in the individual insurance market. The elimination of the exclusion would generate $3.6 trillion over 10 years, according to the McCain campaign, and that money would pay for the tax credits.” [New York Times, 5/1/08] ###

Worker Training

False McCain Attack: “For workers in industries that have been hard hit, we’ll help make up part of the difference in wages between their old job and a temporary, lower paid one while they receive retraining that will help them find secure new employment at a decent wage.”

The Facts: McCain Has Repeatedly Opposed Vital Training for Workers in Hard-Hit Industries

McCain Opposed $1 Million In Job Training Programs For Young People. In 2003, McCain sponsored an amendment to delete several provisions from the war supplemental spending bill, including $1 million for the Jobs for America’s Graduates school-to-work program for at-risk young people for Training Employment Services. [2003 Senate Vote #118, 4/3/2003, McCain: Y]

McCain Voted Against a Pilot Program to Provide Low-Interest Loans to Workers in Job Training or Assistance Programs. In 2002, McCain voted to kill an amendment requiring the Labor Department to establish a pilot program providing low-interest loans to workers in job training or job assistance programs to enable workers to continue making their mortgage payments. (CQ) McCain: Y [2002 Senate Vote #119, 5/21/2002]

McCain Voted Against Providing Additional $4.1 Million For Job Training And Other Domestic Programs. In 1992, McCain voted against transferring $4.1 billion from defense to domestic programs, including Head Start, child immunization programs and the Job Corps program. (CQ) McCain: N [1992 Senate Vote #208, 9/16/1992, McCain: N]

McCain Voted Against Providing $1 Billion In Economic Assistance, Including Job Training. In 1992, McCain voted against providing $1 billion for various programs designed to help those struggling economically, including job training funding. [1992 Senate Vote #146, 7/2/1992, McCain: Y]

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11 09 2008
americanpie

At least Palin doesn’t trip all over tongue like Obama does without his crutch teleprompter.

11 09 2008
WeRemember

Sarah Palin has better things to do than practicing for the little “history exam” that Gibson no doubt has in store for her. She’ll give her attention to more important things, like speaking to the heroes (including her son) about to deploy to Iraq.

1 11 2008
George Soros

Best of the best

1 11 2008
Doctor

Best of the best




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