New Pic of Bristol! DON’T LOOK!

6 09 2008

Hat tip to Mudflats reader Drew Brown for this TIVO capture.

You looked, didn’t you. So did I. What do we make of that?

How do we sort out the rumor, policy issues, competence issues, judgement issues and gossip? Where do the lines blur between them? Is it fair to talk about her pregnant teen daughter Bristol? Is it fair to ask questions about her marital fidelity, or if she is Trig’s real mother? When does gossip become a rumor, and rumor become plausible, and plausible rumor become verified fact? These questions are good because they make us at least stop and examine how the media does business, and how we judge our political candidates, and ultimately where we place the only real power we have – our vote.

Is Bristol fair game? Our first instinct is probably, no. Family is off limits. But what happens when family matters demonstrate decision making ability, criteria for judgment, and how the candidate will enact potential policy decisions? That changes things.

Sarah Palin has repeatedly said that having her baby is Bristol’s ‘decision’. And isn’t Bristol lucky to have a decision, and a supportive family, and someone who wants to marry her, and parents who are well-off and willing to help her, and the help of a nanny. Yes, she is. And, frankly, it would be a mistake to question the family’s decision because it is their decision, and that’s the point. The crux of this issue is that Palin believes other girls like Bristol should have no decision – not in the case of rape, or incest, or both. Not if you’re 12 or 20 or 55, rich or poor, married or alone, sick or well, able or disabled.

Palin believes her daughter should not have had a choice, even if she had been raped, even if she had been 12, and even if she had been a victim of incest, or all three. And she doesn’t think any other family should have a choice either. Really. Entitled to her opinion? Yes. Will mainstream America agree? Not if you believe the statistics.

So, given the fact that teens will be teens, and subject to the potential of hormone-induced bad judgment, what is Palin’s solution? Surely, we all want to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible. Right now, because of Roe v. Wade, choice is the law. We know that all across the country, teenage girls, like her daughter, are getting pregnant by accident and having legal abortions. What would Palin propose to do about it? Something that doesn’t work. Her solution is abstinence only. No sex education. No information. No birth control. Just say no. She, herself, can see in a real and clear way, that this doesn’t work. Just ask Bristol. And just ask Sarah, who was pregnant when she married Todd.

So what does all this this tell us? She makes important policy decisions based on religious conviction. She sticks with failed policy, even when the failure is obvious and hard-hitting. She believes in taking away currently available decisions for all of America, despite the fact that the majority of Americans oppose it. Qualities we want in a president?

And yes, I say president, and not vice president. Anyone accepting the role of Vice President stands a very real chance of becoming president by succession. The odds are better than 30%.

When looking at the scandalous pictures, and reading the scads of gossip that is bubbling up in Alaska and wending its circuitous way toward main stream media coverage, we need to ask ourselves how they may demonstrate Palin’s stated policy decisions, decision making ability and the criteria she uses to make them. And we will, no doubt, get caught up in the personal scandals, because we’re human. But let’s watch what else they teach us.

And just for good measure, what does John McCain feel about this?

The Associated Press reported that Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, opposed funding to prevent teen pregnancies, a position that Palin also took as governor. “The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support,” she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.Reporters asked McCain in November 2007 whether he supported grants for sex education in the United States, whether such programs should include directions for using contraceptives or whether he supports President Bush’s policy of promoting abstinence.

“Ahhh, I think I support the president’s policy,” McCain said.

Ahhhhh, I think we’re in trouble.


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6 09 2008
Professor Zero

Great post. I think I’m in love with your blog.

6 09 2008
Parker CA

AKM –

I think this is your best post since I began reading your blog last week. These issues are so very important on so many levels.

Very well stated.

Thank you!

6 09 2008
goldstone

choice choice choice

6 09 2008
Anonymous

McCain WAS a hero………..now the best definition for keeping his pick under wraps is COWARD !!!

6 09 2008
Merle

just say no

it didn’t work with drugs…..how’s it gonna work with sex?

6 09 2008
Todd Wood

And mudflats is speaking for the majority of Americans . . . and with such skill and care.

6 09 2008
Georgia peach

you have hit the nail…. SP’s daughter had a ‘choice’. My mom was strong Hillary backer and was not sold on Obama, until SP opened her mouth. The whole lipstick/pitbull thing was too much.

also, it seems that SP tends to lie when she opens her mouth.

I just want Obama to stay on the issue and remember that McCain is the guy he’s running against.

6 09 2008
obamamama

I think we all should stop pondering the “Bristol possibly being Triggs mom” thing. If you guys are still stuck on the breasts this is an easy one. When I was pregnant, my A size became a C! I loved it. They start growing the 2nd or 3rd month of pregnancy. Now I have a whole bunch of bras that are 2 sizes to big.

Wouldn’t we be much better off discussing how we can help Obama win this November?
Let’s get out the vote! Contact our Obama offices and try to find out how we can help.
http://www.barackobama.com

6 09 2008
John Henry

The pregnancy would be an unwelcome diversion for any candidate, but McCain has seemed particularly uncomfortable dealing with birth control issues. In 2007, the candidate stumbled when a reporter in Iowa asked his position on funding condoms to fight AIDS. He called on a member of his staff to “find out what my position is on contraception.”

In July, McCain stammered when asked about an advisor’s statement wondering why insurance plans cover Viagra but not women’s contraception. The candidate paused and looked perturbed before saying he couldn’t recall his position. When pressed, he replied: “I don’t usually duck an issue, but I’ll try to get back to you.”

LA Times – 9/2/2008

6 09 2008
Sue

Again, another thoughtful piece of writing. Many thanks.

6 09 2008
captainleadbottom

I’m a pro-choice republican. I agree that Palin’s position is too extreme on this issue. But, that’s what makes our electoral process great. It takes all these people on the fringes to meet somewhere in the middle.

People who say Roe v. Wade is at risk of being overturned are fear mongering just the way conservatives are when they start talking back alleys. Roe v. Wade will never be overturned. But we can make sure that our children are not using it as a form of birth control. contraception is not 100%. Abstinence only doesn’t work 100% either (as evidenced with Bristol), but nor do I think our schools should be teaching our kids how to use contaception.

This is a job for parents not the government and schools. Yeah! So what your poor? You can’t take the time to talk to your kids? WTF is wrong people, you want Uncle Sam to teach your kids HOW to have sex? Right! And they wont assume that it’s acceptable behavior when the school teaches them how to do it right?

What ever happend to good parents talking to thier children. Maybe we should monitor the content of thier television and music. Maybe we should get to know thier friends and hangouts. Maybe, as parents, we should not be so willing to let the government do our parenting for us!

Perhaps then we wouldnt have to worry so much if our little girls run off, get knocked up, then have it aborted without us even knowing about it (in some states).

6 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

I see the big wedding is election day, Nov 4. I really couldn’t get too much more cynical. Why the wait, I wonder. And what a publicity stunt to have it on election day. No shame at all.

6 09 2008
karen marie

the world has in fact gone completely bugsh*t crazy.

6 09 2008
Smitty

Samantha Bee from “The Daily Show” had an excellent segment regarding this last week.

6 09 2008
June

There’s also something wrong with choosing to have a high-risk pregnancy and give birth to a special needs (to be PC) baby over putting on a condom for “ethical” reasons. There’s something grossly unethical about that.

6 09 2008
Jeri

You are the best, I’ve been glued to your site for a week. Shared it with all I know and love. I just love you. We shall overcome this insanity.

6 09 2008
RJY

I’m addicted to this blog. I live in a strong Republican pocket in downstate Illinois. It amazes me how gullable they are, believing anything without checking it out. I made a typo on an earlier post for the address to see Rachel Maddow calling Palin a liar on the Keith Olbermann show. It should have been http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677. I loved seeing a news person finally tell it like it is.

6 09 2008
drchill

———— Please STOP ————–

Everyone STOP and read this blog prior to last Friday.

AKMudraker has been writing excellent civic minded political and topical pieces for quite a while, and some got no comments, sometimes 2 or 3.
Go back and see how there are pictures, please to go and vote etc etc, and all in relative isolation and solitude.
And now… people see it; its hot its current its great.

I’m awed by the fact AKM has been doing it all along without all the attention, attending to what just one citizen thinks and cares about and is paying attention to.

I’m awed amazed and impressed.
When the smoke clears and if mudflats goes back to being ‘just a local blog’
I’m sure AKM will still be writing photographing analyzing and cracking wise.

Cheers applause standing ovation!

I’m a fan ! Maybe your biggest fan.

I’m so damned impressed.

6 09 2008
Sue

It doesn’t bother me that Sarah Palin decided to have Trig; she has the right to do so. What bothers me is the way she endangered his life in the hours before his birth and the fact that she returned to work 3 days after Trig was born. In my opinion, these actions showed VERY poor judgement. I don’t want a VP who shows poor judgement in what SHOULD be the most important thing in her life–her family. If she shows poor judgement with her family, she will show poor judgement with our country.

6 09 2008
MJC

Smitty,

You are the greatest! That video cracked me up and cheered me up all at the same time. Now I can retire for the night with a smile on my face.🙂

6 09 2008
Deb

According to the FOX NEWS special on Sarah tonight, Todd and Sarah found senior citizens at a nursing home to be witnesses at their wedding when they eloped. One person needed a walker. Am I saying this right? This sounds too absurd to be true. Wow! This must have been a hasty and desperate situation for them.

Thanks for the article on teen pregnancy. This is absolutely the point of this whole issue on Bristol. It is hypocrisy for Sarah to support abstinence when she knows full well it does not work and is not practical. As a teacher, I believe that teens need a lot of support, but also a lot of education. It is irresponsible for us as educators, parents, and adults NOT to provide this for them. I do not think that these people (Republicans and radical right) even believe themselves…it is only just to get political power. Otherwise, they only care about themselves and feel that they are “special” somehow.

6 09 2008
Parker CA

VP Flat Earth –

Bristol and F-ing Redneck’s wedding? Where did you hear that it is going to be on Nov 4th? That makes me think they are already convinced they are going to steal this election.

MUST GET OUT THE WORD ON THESE SCUMBAGS!!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN ’08

6 09 2008
June

Does anyone have confirmation about whether this is real or not?

If it is, it’s the ultimate *for political gain* thing to do. Oh well, at least they will have something to celebrate on that date no matter what happens with the election……

6 09 2008
Smitty

A MUST WATCH (on judgement, choice,scholastic ability,flip-flops)

McCains reckless biography. Gawd how I love The Daily Show. He’s the only one out there not afraid to show the REAL McCain!

6 09 2008
John Henry

Don’t you just love YouTube:

6 09 2008
Amused and Bewildered

Okay. Let’s not forget that one of the reasons McCain cites Palin as being qualified is her experience as a mother. So WHAT exactly does McCain think being a successful mother is?

Listen to Bill O’Reilly being hypocritical on the subject of teen pregnancy. He squarely puts blame on Jamie Lynn Spears’ parents for her situation and calls them “pinheads” but somehow the Palins are exempt! Can you say “double standard”? (There’s some other hypocritical gems here as well, including whopper from Dick Cheney.)

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card

6 09 2008
MJC

Dr.chill,

I am forever hooked on this blog. When the elections are over, I will still need my daily fix of sanity, so I’m in it for the long haul. I hope you all are too. Go Mudflats!

6 09 2008
Chautauqua

Judegment, is the issue!

6 09 2008
Siege

OK, I am really good at getting in one of the last comments on old blog as people move to new but I did respond to Meleana re: narcissism and I am a licensed psychologist (rather than playing one on TV) so too tired to write it all again but go back a post if you are interested and the sum of it is the narcissitic personality is seductively charming and hard to turn away from until you “get it” and that can take awhile…if you are under their spell…probably nothing laypeople don’t know but just to add!

6 09 2008
karion

People who say Roe v. Wade is at risk of being overturned are fear mongering just the way conservatives are when they start talking back alleys. Roe v. Wade will never be overturned.
You may be right. I have heard credible arguments that it will never be overturned, lest the right lose their core wedge issue. That said, this is McCain’s statement, on his website:

“John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion – the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby.”

This is the same guy – and whose crazily unqualified VP – cut funding for benefits to poor, unmarried mothers. Sure is easy to talk about courage about bringing kids into the world when your last name is McCain or Palin.

And I’ll say it again. For a campaign that wants to keep the kids out of it, the McCain/Palin ticket is positively pimping their kids out.

6 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

http://alaskanabroad.typepad.com/an_alaskan_abroad/2008/09/

They’re registered at J.C. Penney’s according to above site

6 09 2008
Chautauqua

But, one more PSA: http://www.vote411.org/

Methinks that Ohio is the FL of 2008, GO Bucks! And shout out to;
Cedar Point, Columbus, Athens, Waverly and Chillicothe:
http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/washington/news.aspx?id=98007

6 09 2008
Kit

I only discovered Mudflats a few days ago and it’s been amazing. Your advice is extraordinarily wise and well-stated. Long after all this blows over, I’ll still be coming here to read your blog. As DrChill above said, cheers applause standing ovation!

6 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

Scroll down to “Baby shower prep” at the site and you’ll see the date of the wedding on the “bridal registry”
http://alaskanabroad.typepad.com/an_alaskan_abroad/2008/09/

6 09 2008
Karen


Great video! Pass it on!

6 09 2008
PaulyOH

That wedding registry has gotta be a fake. Look at some of the products on there.

My attitude is her daughter’s situation is totally fair game considering Palin’s stance on sex, abortion and birth control.

6 09 2008
John Henry

Here’s a longer version (1:47 minutes) that incorporates the full exchange:

I wonder how many of his other positions he has to have his advisors – most of which mind you are lobbyists – get back to you on.

6 09 2008
Doc

The pregnancy points to backwardness and failure. The reason they say children are off limits is because Bristol’s pregnancy is proof of the failures of her mom’s policy. Does SP condone teenage pregnancy out of wedlock? Does she believe teenagers should marry if they get pregnant? Is that the basis of a marriage? I can see their point in being opposed to abortion on an ethical or theological basis, but contraception and condoms?
Had Bristol been 25, married and expecting a baby, they would be parading her all over the social magazines. It would be really cute.

6 09 2008
Phil fron the North Coast

off-topic but revealing on where Gov. Palin’s head is at.

The Gov. appeared recently on Glenn Beck’s show, the link to youtube is below.

She was asked about exploting ANWR. She let it slip out that one of the reasons we are in Iraq has to do with securing oil supplies. She says “We are fighting in some sense over energy supplies.” The Gov. let that one slip about 8:04 into the broadcast as shown on Youtube.

I pray her son’s deployment to Iraq is a safe one. He should not have to risk his life to “secure our energy supplies.

6 09 2008
Phil

Roe v Wade would not be overturned immediately, but I believe they know they have an opening with some of the Supreme Court retiring or kicking the bucket over the next few years. Don’t forget SP belongs to a church where this is prayed for, and it is the same with many, many churches across this country. The abortion issue is at the top of their list, don’t kid yourselves. Putting it into perspective, these are the same people that really thought Bill Clinton was going to put all the born-agains in concentration camps. Their churches really believed this stuff!

6 09 2008
Smitty

MJC – anytime. There is more on the Rep Westmoreland from The Colbert Report where he Stephen talks about the “uppity” remark & plays his “Better Know a District” Unfortunately it isn’t on YouTube yet. It is on ComedyCentral.com, Colbert Report from Friday 9/5/08

6 09 2008
Lisha

She has two things in common with George Bush: a lack of empathy and a surplus of denial. Just look to the mess of Iraq and Katrina to see how deadly this combination can be!

For the sake of her ambitions, she denies that having a son deployed to Iraq, a pregnant teenage daughter, and an infant with special needs will affect her entire family DAILY. In doing so, she exhibits a complete lack of empathy for her children. How, then, does this person, if she can’t even respond to the needs of those closest to her, respond to the needs of a nation?

She’s 44. She easily has 20 years to run for higher office. Choosing now as the right time shows frightening judgment to me.

As for her views on reproductive rights, my uterus flinches every time I see her.

6 09 2008
Mil

Listen up AKMuckracker, I believe you will hear applause…
🙂

6 09 2008
drchill

PaulyOH

Not Totally fair game.

Not a free for all.

As AKM said it represents the candidates position on an issue. Family is off limits. A candidates positions, and how they exemplify their beliefs and how the candidate drag kids into the limelight is not off limits.

Don’t go after the kids because the parent is screwed up.
I feel sorry for those kids, and personally I don’t want to add to their troubles.

6 09 2008
I guess I'm banned

I dunno but none of my posts are showing up. Is my name banned or something?

6 09 2008
ds55

June: I think the JCPenney bridal registry is a clever prank someone has pulled. Just like the eBay jet plane that’s now listed for sale.

6 09 2008
Karen

Isn’t the best response to Palin’s “executive experience” argument George Bush?

6 09 2008
Independent in AZ

add one more fan to Mudflats!

Thanks for the debates and local information to help explain who Sarah really is, as the press seems to have forgotten their role in an open democracy.

on the kids and family, I think most people are like the typical Fox news website reader who has a tendency to want to see the human interest stuff, and that includes the scoop on politcial families. Their dialy most viewed articles over time typically focus on non politics, unlike most of the other news websites. I think whatever stripe or life experience, party, etc. we all have a bent for the human side of things and the comments I see posted here are no different.

What made me first feel that Sarah brought on the scrutiny of her family was how she introducted her family in her very first introduction speach.

What struck me as odd at the time was how in the introductions she focused on the two sons, both with stories that advanced her POLITICAL value to a conservative crowd. Nothing was added about the girls at the time.

my internal truth barometer was to ask myself how my “salt of the earth” southern mom, with lived values mirroring Sarah’s rhetoric (pro life, conservative, religious, etc), would have introduced our family. My mom, would have found a nice thing to say about each kid….the comedian, the student, our special gift child etc…again…for EVERY child. Sarah focused on military and special needs.

Maybe I’m reading too much into the introduction or missed Sarah’s comments on the girls.

But what really made me think Sarah’s family was fair game for the human interest type stories was when they flew in the pregnant daughter’s boyfriend in and used him as a prop with John McCain at the airport. At that point, I figured she is creating the spotlight for an audience naturally inclined to wonder what is stagecraft and what is reality.

An interview with the press would give more of us confidence to see how she explains away her stump speech and history.

Obama has my vote as of now,,,,Sarah’s stump speach isn’t being supported by facts and details this and other websites shedding light on. And the pace the stuff has been coming out in the last couple of days has been humorous.

6 09 2008
Smitty

The “fake” registry is hysterical. Meat grinders? Flag coffee cups? A bowler diaper bag? Jesus & baby figurines? A “Levi” Flag wringer? Tin Can Alley shooting gallery? 2in 1 Air Hockey Soccer table? Frou frou maternity baby doll jammies?

At JC Penney? Wonder how long it will take ’em to take it down. See it while you can, it is pretty funny.

Whoever thunk that up has a pretty good sense of humor.

6 09 2008
Enjay

Understand that feeling Siege —

I asked night or so ago If the rush back to AK to deliver Trig was for that “bonus” for every man woman & child …… he is an Alaskan from birth – with native blood — prob. gets some additional funds for “native”

Any thoughts ?

6 09 2008
Somerset '76

Ah, yes, the very typical Marxist tripe that undergirds all pro-abortion rationalization: all religion is a fraud, or at best a psychological “feel-good” mechanism that has no business having impact on decisions that impact others besides oneself. There is no capital-G “God”, it’s all human fabrication, we each ourselves are really our own “gods” – and therefore have the absolute right to do with our bodies whatsoever we wish.

One need not have a religious belief to comprehend that when ovum and sperm intersect, an entirely new organism results, one which maintains its distinct chromosomal identity for the remainder of its living existence. Its cells multiply, the organism grows and develops new capabilities during gestation … and continues developing for about two decades after birth. So when is this organism entitled to be called a “human” being, if not at conception? And if the death penalty is said to be “inhumane” even for those convicted of heinous crimes, how then is it appropriate for those whose “crime” is their very existence? Or else … on what criteria are some human lives more worthy than others? These are questions of ethics that need not have a religious reference to be argued.

6 09 2008
I guess I'm banned

Bristol is shrinking – she’s losing that baby fat. She no pregnant.

6 09 2008
6 09 2008
nfromIN

“Does anyone have confirmation about whether this is real or not? ”

LOL, i don’t think it’s real did you see what was on the registry? hilarious!

6 09 2008
ds55

If only we screened Presidents and VPs as thoroughly as we screen astronauts. Except for that Lisa Nowak, most of them are good eggs.

6 09 2008
JM

Well, family should be off-limits,
but having been away for a few hours, maybe I’ve lost track, and this is all figured out elsewhere:

Maybe Alaska folks can offer insight:

1) This says Sarah pulled in $125,000 last year, and Todd $93,000.

2) Has anyone figured out when Bristol departed Wassila for Juneau? I don’t understand the various claims about mono, since the picture of her in J.V. basketball uniform at Juneau-Douglas High School is labeled February 28, 2008.”

3) If that really is the date of that photo, and Trig was born April 18, (6 weeks later) that would seem to take care of that rumor, and JDHS appears to end school in early June. Where is the 5-7 months of “out of school with mono?”

6 09 2008
Siege

So tired that I can’t spell narcissistic (see earlier post) but anyway, Meleana, I thought your summary was spot-on. By the way, read today that Michele Obama will be on Ellen DeGeneres Monday and that Ellen asks her if she and Barack are done or will they have a third child. She says something about she thinks they are done and that this campaign is their third child. I have also heard her say before that the reason they have been able to campaign like this (such a long primary) is that her mom has been taking care of the two girls. Lives with them right now, maybe? I feel comfortable with the implication- that she knows there are limits to our time, energies, and abilities, especially at certain stages in our family life cycle (to everything, there is a season, and a time for every purpose…)

6 09 2008
John Henry

Off Topic:
Karen (19:55:24) : I got this pick from your video. Its a message from a Katrina victim for everyone really. It says it all.

votesomeonewhocares

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Captain lead bottom: The hole in your logic is that many families simply DO NOT talk to their children about sex education, whether because of religion, embarassment, or lack of education, etc. So, should the Government stand by and let children not receive the information they need to avoid these problems? I say NO! Your position is akin to saying the Government should stop trying to educate young people about the dangers of drugs and alcohol. I’m quite certain you would not support that.

6 09 2008
Smitty

What bothers me the most is that it appears that AKMuckraker & Comedy Central and Bill Maher is sanity’s “rapid response team”. I realize the sticky-icky ness of this issue so in our face and the importance of dealing with the issues like the economy and healthcare and the war instead of the usual anti-gay, no-choice, bash the corporate media game, but as usual, they have turned it into a circus of “look over there” instead of what we are living.

6 09 2008
KiwisCanFly

Socking it to the McCain Maverick Myth.

6 09 2008
Laurie

TO Captain Lead Bottom

You make some good points. I guess I just take issue with a couple of things. I am a social worker…(dirty word for some I guess..sigh) and I have seen first hand that there are many young people..kids, who just DONT have families that can, or are willing to teach them anything you talked about. What then do we do? Forget about them? Doesnt sound too helpful to me.

Why does it frighten conservatives to have teens taught about sex education? What is so darn scary about it? Ok…so its not what you want for your kids, but then you probably/hopefully teach your own.

I dont think anyone wants the government in their lives in any way. But why do some think its ok to tell me what to do with my body….when it comes to abortion, but not contraceptives. Sorry…I am just a little tired…lol..not been sleeping much. Sorry for rambling.

6 09 2008
Jeri

Palin is for Palin, she doesn’t give a shit about her family, if she did she wouldn’t have put them out there like this. She is a narccissit (sp) and egomaniac. We know and she knows, she is not ready to run this country. Otherwise why wouldn’t she be out there right now talking about the issues that she loves and cares about to the press. She really doesn’t have a passion about issues or she would reveal them as her true passion. She is for Palin.

6 09 2008
Enjay

am cracking up here —
Love the Line from

Lisha 20:05
As for her views on reproductive rights, my uterus flinches every time I see her.

6 09 2008
Somerset '76

That said, I don’t hesitate to add: from the information related here and elsewhere, I’ve developed serious misgivings about this VP nomination. So many of these data-points are consistent with a speculative thesis that this woman has borderline personality disorder. (She reminds me of a probable borderline I once counted as a friend for years in so many ways it’s disturbing … not least of all in her incredible composure at the convention speech in the midst of what has to be personal chaos.)

6 09 2008
I guess I'm banned

@ Mudracker, thanks for fetching my posts out of the spam folder.

OT: I find it odd that MSM has tons of positive Palin stories and few negative ones. Sure, the liberal outlets are doing their job – but will J6P listen? I doubt it. They will run off whatever they hear on FOX. I wish the FCC would reclassify them and make them an entertainment network, because they don’t feature news. A popular TV pundit needs to do some serious research in the last frontier and dig – and keep diggin. Please, MSNBC – send out Schuster to tackle this one. He will do his job – even when he called it right when he said Hillary was pimping Chelsea.

Now, as far as Bristol – when was she out for mono? How many months? And how old is that pic? Thanks!

6 09 2008
Phil

I think the abortion issue should be decided upon by women only. I truly believe that and have for years. Leave the men out of it. And I’m a man!

6 09 2008
Ken

Excellent. Thank you. I always find your columns informative, compelling and entertaining. This is a perfect example. And thank you for your terrific blow by blow account of McCain’s abortive acceptance speech!

6 09 2008
PaulyOH

DrChill:

No, I don’t think everything about Bristol is fair game, just her situation as an unwed teenage mother is. I do feel sorry for the girl. But it’s her mother that has callously put her (and the baby daddy) in the spotlight.

I was appalled with the way the Palins announced their daughter’s pregnancy to the world (as a way of dispelling rumors about Trigs parentage). Then they flew the baby daddy to the GOP convention. It’s stunning that the GOP, supposedly the party of family values and all that horseshit, would be giving the unwed couple a standing ovation.

Also, the campaign talks about how Sarah is a mother of five like that is some kind of great point in her favor. If the campaign wants to exploit her family (including baby Trig, the passed-around prop at the convention) for political gain, then we have every right to look at just what kind of family she has.

Look at Trig. Assuming Trig is her baby, the reports surrounding his birth with the plane flight and all that nonsense tells me she had reckless disregard for the baby. Eight months preggers, leaking fluid, and flying??? Are you kidding me? I told my wife the whole story about that and her first thought was this: Was Sarah trying to miscarry?

I’ve read elsewhere that Track joined the military as part of plea deal because he was involved with major vandalism to school buses. And I’ve also read somewhere (not sure where, all the blogs are a blur), that Sarah and Todd are so busy with their lives that they aren’t around much for the kids, who are just foisted on grandparents or on whoever can watch them. From what I’ve read, these kids haven’t had a very stable home life, and I think it manifests it in some of the choices they’ve made.

Anyway, I don’t think Sarah should be getting any mother-of-the-year awards anytime soon. Everything I’ve read about Sarah, from professional life to personal life, tells me that she’s a pretty disgusting human being worthy only of my contempt.

6 09 2008
xero

If you think roe v wade/abortion is the only christian agenda she as President will push, you need to perhaps think again.

Ultimately, this is a battle to end the separation of church and state. They are already, in a way, controlling the media. They talk when they want, to outlets that serve their purpose. Their answer to when they may talk to other media is “Who cares?”. Isn’t this similar to what we call in other, not-so-democratic countries, State Run Television?

She’s a book banner, she said the Iraq war is a task from god, she openly states god guides her in her decisions. She is the darling of the christian right in an extreme sense.

I have no religious affiliation, nor do I concern myself with the deity others choose to worship. I shiver at the thought of my government telling me I have to worship the one they force upon me.

How far down the rabbithole of theocracy are we willing to be dragged?

6 09 2008
Mil

Phil (20:37:29) :

I think the abortion issue should be decided upon by women only. I truly believe that and have for years. Leave the men out of it. And I’m a man!

~~~

Phil, on behalf of all sane women everywhere… I thank you for that. Truly.

6 09 2008
Siege

A JV team, in my experience, is for 9th and 10th graders and varsity is for 11th and 12th graders (but some younger kids who are really good can make varsity). So, she is how old and what grade would she have completed during ’07-’08 academic year? I guess I thought she was a junior last year but I do not know where I got that idea. Not that is matters but…

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Somerset ’76: I was married to a woman who was a borderline. It was like taking a trip in the twilight zone. I don’t think Palin is a borderline. However, if she is, she is the highest functioning borderline I have ever seen. Usually, they are very low functioning people, and I doubt she would be able to maintain the energy level it takes to be Governor. My guess is that she is narcissistic.

6 09 2008
Karen

John Henry (20:24:00) :

Off Topic:
Karen (19:55:24) : I got this pick from your video. Its a message from a Katrina victim for everyone really. It says it all.

votesomeonewhocares

Glad that you saw that. I am originally from New Orleans. My in laws lost everything in Katrina and, although my father-in-law did not physically die in the storm, his spirit did. It took 2 years of despair for his body to finally follow.

6 09 2008
gizmo

As usual, Frank Rich of the NYT nails it-

“We still don’t know a lot about Palin except that she’s better at delivering a speech than McCain and that she defends her own pregnant daughter’s right to privacy even as she would have the government intrude to police the reproductive choices of all other women. Most of the rest of the biography supplied by her and the McCain camp is fiction. ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07rich.html?_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin

6 09 2008
TH-WV

I can’t belive it. How did we all miss it? Wedding rings on the fingers in these photos? http://www.huffingtonpost.com//gadgets/slideshows/275/webpix//slide_275_8.jpeg

6 09 2008
Cassie

June, et.al.

The whole “bridal registry”has been on a spoof-site almost since Sarah’s selection, certainly once the pregnancy was revealed. The hillarious page pretends to be Sarah’s blog.

In the right margin it states that the page is a work of satire.

http://sarahpalin.typepad.com/

6 09 2008
ds55

AHiredGun: Regarding energy level it takes for Palin to be Governor, I agree. Maybe she pops pills.

6 09 2008
kimbers

I guess I’m banned-

I think you’ve got it right. Not because of what you say about Bristol’s appearance, but because of this picture you had linked on your blog:

Out of this whole ongoing saga, that picture, to me, shows the truth. There is no doubt when looking at it who the parents are.

Sarah and Todd Palin should be ashamed of themselves. I feel so incredibly sad for her children. All of them.

I am going spend every free minute I have, doing everything I can to see this woman never becomes the leader of this nation.

6 09 2008
Jeri

What was appalling to me, was having there special needs child at the convention with all that loud noise. The baby looked to me as if he had been drugged or something. Seth Greenland said: ” They were all passing him around like a bong”. It all seemed surreal to me.

6 09 2008
drchill

PauleyOH-
Okay I think we agree that Sarah’s character is reflected in her decisions and beliefs, and her family is the object of her decisions. And Sarah’s lies or candor or no comment about her family will be subject of scrutiny.

Suppose for a minute every rumor were true. It would still be a delicate matter to extract just the problems with the candidate from the tangle of her family issues.

It will become a fine line to separate her and the consequences of her decisions from her family, but its a line we should try to observe.

6 09 2008
Kate Henry

What sickens me is that the righties are framing her decision as being “pro-choice” in that she “chose” to have her baby. Unfortunately they think that choice is only to be allowed to women/girls who chose to have a baby.

I would agree with Obama that her family should be off limits if she had not used them as props at the convention. She made the choice to parade her pregnant daughter and her redneck boyfriend in front of the world and talk about the pregnancy as a blessed event.

One has to wonder, though, what the right would be saying if Obama had a pregnant teenage daughter. I shudder to think what they would be saying.

I’m kind of hoping the rumor of Sarah’s affair turns out to be true. I would love to see how the evangelical right could justify that.

6 09 2008
Mad Skillz, son

@ Gizmo

Awesome find. I am glad someone else is calling it like it needs to be. If Biden was facing an investigation, FOX would completely plaster this all over their network.

http://babytrigforobama08.blogspot.com/

6 09 2008
Ron

Not that I’m obsessing or anything, but has there been any public explaination why Track went to high school in Michigan? Seems odd for a politician to not support their own state’s schools that way.

6 09 2008
Smitty

“guess i’m banned”

Disagree with the Schuster or anyone from MSNBC doing that story. Too easy to say they’re in the bag. Gotta be CBS,ABC or CNN. Campbell Brown is my choice. Wish it could be Maddow or KO, but again, too easy to dismiss.

By your logic Schuster should also say Megan McCain and the Romney boys were being pimped. That was such a cheap shot he took at Chelsea Clinton that he lost credibility with me big time. Schuster was a former Faux shill and is way too close to Matthews for me although I have to say I felt sorry for him on Morning Joe.

Still cracks me up….

6 09 2008
Phil

Xero,

You have stated it perfectly! It IS all about mixing church and state for the religious right and convuluting it in a subtle way. They are told by their pastors in their churches that they are “soldiers in Christ” and that they are on a mission from God. They must go out and “change” all the “evils” of government. I have sat in these churches (Thank the Lord not for 20 years now). The church that Palin belongs to, The Assembly of God, is at the far right of right. My ex-wife can tell you all about The Assembly of God Church and how it drove her into a nervous breakdown. They believe every little thing that happens, i.e. your car won’t start, the light bulb is flickering because it’s about to burn out, they truly believe these are “demons” from the devil. They did a brain-washing number on my ex and had her so paranoid and scared, that even if she got angry about something, she was convinced there were “demons” in her head. We were already divorced when she was going to this church. I remember I always asked her why she was always talking about demons?. I used to say “for being a Christian, Why aren’t you celebrating Jesus? Isn’t that why you go to this church? After the nervous breakdown and getting away from that particular church, she was able to put her life back in order.

6 09 2008
bethincary

I Love this blog-a newcomer as well.

Just wanted to say keep up the great work.
Love your insight.

6 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Until later today…it is 12:02 my time. I’ve enjoyed the post!

6 09 2008
in a valley further south

yet another demonstration of the power of the internet combined with the amazing incredulity of the creationists who not only believe that funny little story but also believe that anything that they say is true because they say it.

take a look at these two interviews done by Brian Williams some months ago
shortly after HRC threw in the towel and quite a while before the VP picks were made. McCain makes some very specific statements about the qualifications for the VP job. let me not repeat them. please hear it from the man himself.

find the interviews near the middle of this page. they are a little difficult to miss.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19995443/

6 09 2008
Camie

I totally agree with much of what has been said and thank you AKM for another compelling, true assessment of where we are with this VP pick. I find it truly offensive and rediculous that the msm has not challenged her on any of these statements that she makes even though at this point they must know they aren’t true.
Bill Maher said it best last night, if that had been Obama’s 17 year old daughter with her rap reciting, gun toting, thug, boyfriend, all hell would have broken loose. I doubt the repubs would be welcoming her and her man with open arms to love and support them. They are so full of %(# it is rediculous and I wish someone on the major channels would call them on it.

6 09 2008
Camie

Wow they say a picture is worth a thousand words. That really shows something. I had my doubts with the whole water breaking giving a speech and then taking a flight back to AK story. But they clearly look like adoring, proud parents, not and adoring, proud sister and future brother in law. Plus, you hardly see her or Todd holding Trig. Someone else always has him in their arms.
She clearly has her ambitions but I don’t even think she thought she would be a heartbeat away from the presidency a month ago. This is just sick.

6 09 2008
LaurainSF

Oh Muckraker, that was so eloquently phrased. I swear, I almost cried. How can people not see the logic in legal, safe abortion options. Abstinence is such a joke. It is not normal or evolutionarily correct. These right wingers make me crazy.

I recently read about a theory for why violent crime is dramatically (statisically) down over the last generation. Because of the AVAILABILITY of abortion – not because we got more cops on the streets (we do, but it’s proportionate to the population increase).

You know I’m going to print out this piece and start handing them out. It is written amazingly well. Thanks again.

6 09 2008
Smitty

Camie, instead of wishing, write to the corp media. I spent a few minutes today writing about the lack of coverage on the ever unfolding palingates to the corp. media.

Here are a few addresses to contact
60m@cbsnews.com, anderson.cooper@cnn.com, letters@cnn.com, editor@latimes.com, editor@washingtonpost.com, letters@msnbc.com, countdown@msnbc.com, phil.griffin@nbc.com, abrams@msnbc.com, akmuckraker@yahoo.com, scoop@huffingtonpost.com, letters@latimes.com, nightline@abcnews.com, ftn@cbsnews.com, nightly@nbc.com, newshour@pbs.org, letters@washpost.com, letters@newsweek.com, letters@time.com, renata.luczak@comedycentral.com, tips@upi.com, fair@fair.org;campbell.brown@cnn.com;brian.williams@nbc.com

Xcerpts included:

“Both Palin and McCain keep saying she was against the “bridge to nowhere”
and earmarks. Nothing is further from the truth. Palin kept the 300 million, “Thanks
and more thanks”.

When are you going to report that the ebay jet “sold” on ebay wasn’t
sold there at a profit, but to a private aerial animal trophy hunting business at
a loss?

What about the huge $22 million deficit she left Wasilla with after hiring Ted Stevens
lobbyist to secure pork and building a hockey rink on disputed land with no drainage
and a poor sewer system? She inherited a zero deficit.

Gov. Palin was the head of indicted Senator Ted Stevens PAC. Palin’s name is
listed
on 2003 incorporation papers of the “Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service,
Inc.,” a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. ”
On McCain
And while you’re at it, name someone on McCains staff that isn’t a lobbyist. Care to report about McCain being 894 in a class of
899 at the Naval Academy? Or that he crashed 5 jets and caught an airline carrier
on fire before, inevitably, being shot down in Viet Nam? Or that the POW card can’t
be played at Saddleback when questioned about cheating, about how many homes he owns or about his taste in music to name a few.

6 09 2008
Chad

Noun
1. decision – the act of making up your mind about something; “the burden of decision was his”; “he drew his conclusions quickly”
determination, conclusion

selection, choice, option, pick – the act of choosing or selecting; “your choice of colors was unfortunate”; “you can take your pick”

6 09 2008
GiGi

If Obama is going to win this he needs to get the conversation off of Palin and back on the issues
People need to remember we are in this mess because of 8 years of Republican mismanagement and corruption.
People need to be reminded of McCain’s connection to the Keating Five
They need to constantly be shown all of the flip flops he has made.

6 09 2008
jan arnold

This is in response to an earlier thread in this comment stream regarding Roe Vs Wade being overturned. I am just home from work & catching up. I believe if it is overturned by the supreme court, it goes back to the states for a state by state fight where probably some states will come down on each side of the issue. Does anyone know if I am correct on this?

6 09 2008
madbluedog

i mentioned it on an earlier post. making abortion illegal will serve to:
1. line the pockets of unscrupulous doctors and other criminals
2. put the health/lives of women in danger

oh – and rich women (not unlike mccains own daughters) will be able to fly to europe for their procedures

makes me sick

6 09 2008
6 09 2008
madbluedog

and i need to add that making abortion illegal will do nothing to stop abortion

6 09 2008
plwalsh

Jan:

Abortion going back to the states.

This is what the conservatives will tell you and, in fact, I think it is correct as long as abortions are not outlawed by federal law or a supreme court ruling (e.g., something that would rule that life begins at conception).

You may remember that the state of New York legalized abortion sortly before the Roe vs. Wade decision in the early 1970s.

Of course, it is unlikely that the Republican Party would ever overturn Roe vs. Wade because it would cost them their most important rallying point with the Christian Right.

In fact, the Republican Party has been promising the Christian Right that it will end abortion since 1980. Why the Christian Right still believes them (on this or anything else, frankly) is quite beyond my powers of comprehension.

6 09 2008
bwilder

captainleadbottom (19:33:24) :
“People who say Roe v. Wade is at risk of being overturned are fear mongering just the way conservatives are when they start talking back alleys. Roe v. Wade will never be overturned.”

In fact we are one or two Supreme Court Justices away from overturning Roe vs.Wade and there is a very good chance that a president like McCain would appoint extremely conservative judges to the bench and the religious right is waiting with baited breath for that very moment. They will pounce with cases that are designed specifically with reversal in mind. Once overturned it would then head to the sates or it could become a Federal mandate with restrictions so severe states would fall in lockstep in short order to avoid the loss of federal funds.

You also stated that it’s the job of the parents and I agree that parents should take this topic on early and earnestly. In a perfect world that would be the case. It’s not a perfect world- far from it. The teen pregnancy rate in the small rural Southern town that I inhabit is off the charts. The nearest Planned Parenthood is close to two hours away. Fifteen year olds don’t drive and don’t have the money to make that trip or pay even a small amount for a visit. So they roll the embryonic dice and often they lose. Parents come in all shapes and sizes and unfortunately some of them are just plain shitty at the job.

The Republican motto “every man (or fourteen year old girl) for him or her self” is a cop-out to the reality in which we live. So while you may have your life in order and teach your children well, it’s misguided to think that every parent does.

I mentor a young woman who is 18 now. We met when she was 13. I have had ‘the talk’ with her many times and so far so good. This kid has been raised in poverty and dysfunction with a mother who was pregnant at seventeen, and the mother’s drug addled boyfriend. So without a ‘real’ parent to guide her she’s on her own. She and I have been blessed to know one another and I’m happy to have been able to play a part in her life, showing her that she can rise above her upbringing and make a future that is bright and fulfilling. I have taken her to Planned Parenthood. Not something her dimwitted mother would do. Even if had crossed her mind, she doesn’t have a car to get to the grocery store let alone take at two hour drive. That’s real life in millions of families in this country.

Rape and incest happen. At the age of twentyfour I awoke with a knife to my jugular and a rapist on top of me.Had I become pregnant Sarah Palin would have forced me to carry my rapist child to term. Unless you’ve been there you have no idea the emotional and mental toll it takes on a woman. In Sarah Palin’s world I would have had to spend every second for nine months with a fetus in my body that belonged to a violent rapist.

I’ve wondered more than once how that would have compounded the emotional and mental aguish I struggled with for several years after the rape. When the police took me to the hospital I was well cared for and offered a drug that would prevent any Stud’s that may have been transferred to me by the rapist. There was not a morning after pill at the time. If there had been, Sarah Palin would have denied me that option.

Reversal of Roe vs. Wade is indeed a possibility and something women and caring men must be vigilant in defending.

I ask you this- should it have been your daughter waking up with a violent rapist on top of her and she became pregnant and did not want to carry that fetus would you deny her a choice? In Sarah Palin’s world it wouldn’t matter- your daughter would have that child nine months later. One in six women will be the victim of sexual assault in her lifetime.
http://safety.amw.com/community/one-in-six-women-will-be-victims/

The Sarah Palin’s of the world are on a mission to impose their religious agenda on the rest of us and I implore you to not take this right that women and some caring men fought for lightly. Religion has no place in our government.
Allowing ourselves to lulled into a false sense of security on this critical issue is something none of us can afford to do.

I also implore you to consider mentoring just one child in your community. So many of them have no one who teaches them about how to prevent pregnancy. Or how to make the grades it takes to scholarship into college, or that there is indeed a much better world than the one they are currently trapped in. Having one adult in their lives that truly cares often makes all the difference. Punishing children because they were born to ignorant parents is inhumane.

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’ edmund burke

Sorry for going on here but as you can see it’s a powerful subject for me.

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Jan: Yes, you are correct. The States would have a free-for-all on the abortion issue. Some States would allow abortions under certain circumstances; other States would not. What this would mean, is a whole interstate commerce of women, who could afford it, going to States that allowed abortions. Then, States would probably try to pass laws preventing such traffic. It would be an incredible MESS. As a lawyer, it would probably mean a lot of business for me. However, I would rather Roe v. Wade remain good law for the sake of all women.

6 09 2008
John Henry

Siege (19:49:40) : I’d agree.

From my experience, narcissists are constantly lying and getting other people to lie for them. They have a very high opinion of themselves which is usually not substantiated by the facts. Deep down they think they are better than everyone else, and are destined to be great. They have a hard time maintaining relationships because they lack empathy. It is virtually impossible for them to think, ‘How will my actions affect the other person.’ They use and discard people. They are hyper social – always looking – because they need to find new suckers to lie to, dupe, and manipulate. Once they are discovered, they move on. They can never accept blame. If they have done something to hurt you, they find a reason any reason no matter how nonsensical to make it your fault. You’ll spend hours and hours arguing in circles with these people because they refuse to be honest. They invented the guilt trip. They are great at telling the big lie. Like Hollis French said yesterday, ‘She told me so many times [that she would testify], it would be illogical for her not to show up’. These are the kind of lies narcissists tell. They count on you to think ‘but no decent person would do that’ and then they do it. Also, people in relationships with them can never do enough to get their approval. You could save them from a burning building and they’ll tell you you did not come quick enough.

Siege, I’m thinking Clark Rockefeller is a narcissist. Alot of these people are walking around as if they are normal, but deep down they are really sick. The lying is usually the first sign. Most people tell a white lie here and there. For these people its a way of life. They really live in a fantasy world. They have a hard time accepting reality.

I hear Sarah told the Bridge To Nowhere lie again today. Somebody needs to come up with a Bridge To Nowhere lie counter.

6 09 2008
madbluedog

yes plwalsh – methinks the christian right should be careful before they fall for that ole “pro-life” carrot yet again.

6 09 2008
madbluedog

please please please watch this video from the daily show. john mccain biography – the reformed maverick. so great. wish obama would pick up on this stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEvv9G846mo

6 09 2008
HamletsMill

bwilder (21:39:09),

Thank you for that very important post. I, for one, appreciated it very much.

6 09 2008
Smitty

Well we can all look forward to next weeks 9/13 season opener of SNL with Michael Phelps (wish Shawn Johnson was there too with her peace earrings after doing the pledge at the DNC)) and Tina Fay.

6 09 2008
Enjay

response to Jan –

I believe it could become a state by state issue if over-ruled at the federal level – however there will be more lawsuits and filings that will take years to resolve. And during that process, the states will have to decide if the fight is “worth it” financially. Currently (I believe) are several states that do not support “clinics” except with federal dollars – in my state the nearest clinic is over 300 miles away

Pretty much making it un-accessable to those that make that decision (much less when there is a “time line” to consider) – from what I am told – it also requires a follow up after – meaning a 2nd 600 mile round trip

I firmly believe that I do not have the “right” – nor the government has the “right” to push their beliefs on another individual. This is a choice between a woman, her physician and God. It is not a “choice” made lightly or on a whim.

6 09 2008
in a valley further south

Here’s some more stuff to understand about why, besides getting your daily dose of amusement here in the mud, you need to be doing something to help this guy make sure that the McCain/Palin ticket winds up in the same place as 99.99999999999% of all lottery tickets sold. In the trash can.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=c6bb5736-a81c-4016-9eea-c65f27582174

6 09 2008
Kimberly Alderman

where’d you get the 30% figure? just curious.

6 09 2008
Smitty

Madbluedog,
I posted that clip earlier on this topic and it is a MUST SEE. Do you have the Colbert Report on Westmoreland? That is priceless where Stephen calls Westmoreland an ignorant cracker after he calls Obama uppity twice. Then he exposes Westmorelands desire to put the 10 commandments in courts and public bldgs, but in “Better Know a District” on the Report he can only name 3 pf the commandments. It aired Friday 9/5

6 09 2008
captainleadbottom

to Laurie and Ahiredgun- I do agree that sex ed should be offered in public schools, I mean this isn’t the 50’s anymore. However, sex education is quite different from demonstration and lessons in technique.

There is nothing wrong with stressing abstinence and the pitfalls of teen pregnancy. Such education could also include available contraceptive methods and availablity (as I learned as a kid in public school). Kids should also be highly encouraged to seek information from parents or a doctor.

To add, we as parents need to do more to get the lewdness out of our media. Our kids today are idolizing teen stars, on thier favorite shows getting pregnant at 17 and getting naked on webcams. How do we hold them to account? We give them bigger contracts and make them even richer.

What is the message the child receives when there own teachers and educators freely hand them contraception? What is the message we send when a minor can have an abortion without parental consent? The message seems pretty clear to me, so I figure it’s pretty clear to a child.

The message needs to be changed. The message is, “No Sex until your married, 18, or on your own, whichever comes first.” Not, “This is how you use a condom.” The massage is, “You can get birth control at the drug store, use it in case you do break the rules, but don’t expect me to be happy about it.” Not, “Planned Parenting is here, just in case.”

As far as the poor needing more access? Great, someone open a clinic! Take some of that money were are using to over sex our kids in public school, and buy them some condoms and abortions. Not my kids!

6 09 2008
Laurie

To A Hired Gun

I beg to differ re: borderline folk. I have found them to be extremely intelligent, at least the ones I have worked with. The problem with the dx is that many many women are diagnosed as borderline and it has an ugly connotation. Often it is because a pdoc doesnt bother to evalute extensively.

Sarah Palin however could be borderline and be very intelligent. I think its difficult to make those kinds of dx’s without actually assessing properly.

6 09 2008
Keystone

Intern’s March 11, 2008 high-resolution photograph with SP:

His comments regarding her pregnancy:

http://todercan.com/?p=89

6 09 2008
captainleadbottom

Don’t mind my typos and gramatical errors. It’s late!

6 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

Kimbers posted:

Out of this whole ongoing saga, that picture, to me, shows the truth. There is no doubt when looking at it who the parents are.

Thanks for posting that picture. Let’s think about this – I have two teenage sons, and my daughter’s boyfriend is like one of the family (but no babies at our house!!!).

For hypothetical purposes, let’s say I had a new baby, and the whole family was out at a very public event with the whole world watching. Yes my daughter might hold the baby for me and even hug him, but would my daughter’s boyfriend kiss “my” baby that way? I can’t imagine that. Would even one of my teenage son’s kiss their brother that way? No – probably not out in public. so it’s one more oddity.

Now you could say maybe he was just overwhelmed with the idea that he was going to be a father soon, too. And that might explain it . . . but still . . . look at how he’s got his hand on the baby too – a kiss and a hug? I’m all for affection, but something makes me go hmmmm. . .

6 09 2008
ocliberal

I remember last Friday morning (?) when Sarah Palin was announced as VP. I like I’m sure millions of other Americans rushed to the internet (wikipedia no doubt) to see who this woman was.

My first thought was, wow, the repugs pulled a coupe here. Who is the attractive young governor who shoots moose, has 5 kids and has single-handedly taken on the evil government and reformed the corruption out of Alaska? And then I read more and I started to feel sick. A right-wing, anti-choice, fundamentalist who wants to teach evolution in the schools and has less then two year of experience?

But it wasn’t until I read the part about her being a parent of a FOUR MONTH old special needs baby that I just became angry. I remember turning to my husband and saying, what kind of mother leaves her FOUR MONTH old baby to run for VP?

The thing I miss in Sarah Palin is a sense of humanity and a sense of any real connection with those around her. Her children are props, her baby a burden to be passed around and from everything I read, heard and seen, the only thing that is important to Sarah Palin is Sarah Palin. We are all here to serve her.

She scares me. I hope she scares everyone and what scares me even worse is that anyone thought this woman should be anywhere near the Presidency of this country.

Sorry for long post but a couple of optimistic things I want to share. Both my 82 year-old mother and 75 year old mother-in-law who are life-long Republicans are voting Democratic for the first time in their lives. They are voting for Obama because he impresses the hell out them! I am dumb-founded. I think there is hope for us.

Keep spreading the word….

6 09 2008
plwalsh

Funny thing, though. Whenever the Supreme Court gets close to overturning Roe vs. Wade, they totter back from the edge and make some minor ding in it instead.

The Supremes know that if Roe vs. Wade goes, the whole country is going to go into an uproar. Abortion might actually get legalized in Congress, which is probably what should have happened in the first place. And it would threaten one of the basic tenants of the court, in which lies its legitimacy and power, namely that a decision once made cannot be lightly overturned without calling into question, by implication, every decision the court has made.

Overturning Roe vs. Wade would open a can of worms that conservatives could never get back under cover again.

6 09 2008
J T

I’ve been reading a lot of blogs this week (haven’t we all??) and it is amazing how so many people will come up with the most bizarre justifications for actions.

6 09 2008
bwilder

Kimberly Alderman (21:53:05) :

where’d you get the 30% figure? just curious.

Not my entry you responded to but there were a number of articles stating the
stats over the past week. I believe eight presidents have died or been assasinated in office. That figure then adjusted for McCains recurring bouts of melanoma (mostly deadly form of skin cancer) and his age being 72 results in the statistcal figure of 30% chance he could expire in office.

6 09 2008
DeMo

Loving your blog. I feel I get the truth from you before it hits the MSM. However, I did a bit of research on Palin, whom I fear greatly.

She supports abstinence-only, is surely pro-choice (G-d help us), but she not against contraception. According to Time Magazine and LA Times, she believes in teaching about condoms, for instance. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,5768481.story

As others have noted, Bristol’s tummy seems to be getting smaller. She looks post partum. I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it will be interesting to see what will happen in the coming months. I’m predicting a sad miscarriage and that will engender sympathy from right to lifers.

The way both Palin and Levi relate to the baby, it’s looking more and more like the baby is theirs. But, I’ve been wrong before and I could be wrong about this.

I’m certain that I’m not wrong that Palin’s decision to fly back to Alaska to give birth demonstrates a lack of judgment. Her decision to fly to Texas was wrong in the first place. Once you’re leaking amniotic fluid in a high risk pregnancy, you don’t complicate a poor choice by making an even worse one. Doesn’t matter that nothing happened. It’s representative of how she thinks and I don’t want her thinking imposed upon me.

6 09 2008
Laurie

@leadbottom….I agree with you. I still however maintain my position that those ideas are fine for kids that have parents who know how to parent, and in fact know how to teach their kids those things. Some parents are too embarassed…perhaps from being raised in strict religious style? Its just an opinion.

In a perfect world all parents would be smart and good. There would be no drugs, no crime, good jobs, lots to eat. We wouldnt have all the social issues we do…..and raising our children wouldn’t be such a difficult thing.

So I ask you then….what do we do about kids who will not learn at school? What is so terrible about learning about a condom and how to use it. Maybe I am just too out there, but I dont have an issue with it. I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to understand.

6 09 2008
ocliberal

demsarenotafraid: To add to your comment. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Sarah Palin kiss her baby. I remember that every time I picked up my baby girl I kissed her on the forehead. It’s just something mothers do.

I almost wish we would find out the Trig isn’t Sarah’s baby because I don’t think she connects with that baby. Every picture I’ve seen, the only one who is treating Trig motherly, is Bristol.

I know the Trig’s not hers baby has been debunked by local residents, but there is just something strange about Sarah Palin and her connection (or lack of) to her 4 month old baby.

6 09 2008
jan arnold

Hiredgun – Thankyou for confirming. Yes, I have thought that if it went back to states, the next culture war would be very conservative states (and the religious right) pushing to make laws to allow prosecution for those who crossed statelines for an abortion. And young (teen) women & the poor will suffer worse as many will end up with unsafe abortions. It seems inconcievable our government would “go there” with the problems it would create but I truly believe we are approaching a crossroads where it can happen. This election is that crossroads. I have always been very clear on my opinion that women have the choice & I have always seen only one inconsistency in myself – that is if a prenant woman is murdered I feel that the murderer (as in the case of lacey Peterson from California) should be charged with two murders. And yet I have never considered an early term abortion as such. It is an ethical cunundrum but I feel woman MUST be allowed to “own” their own bodies.

6 09 2008
J T

I have a few Republican friends who are so pissed at Bush, that they refuse to vote for McCain. Doesn’t mean they will vote Obama, but will be voting independant or not at all.

At least they won’t be casting a McCain vote.

6 09 2008
bwilder

plwalsh (21:59:31)
“Overturning Roe vs. Wade would open a can of worms that conservatives could never get back under cover again.”

yes it would. preventing that from happening is critical. i don’t think any of us
( except the religious right) want it to happen. however the power of these zealots is huge- example we have had George Bush in office for eight years because of their turnout at the polls.

6 09 2008
madbluedog

smitty: that is a must see isn’t it? i will hunt for the westmoreland video on youtube. ack – this people make me so mad! Once again, if you haven’t seen this daily show video it really is a must see:

6 09 2008
plwalsh

In a way, it surprises me that Palin and McCain would call the rumors (that Sarah covered up Bristol’s pregnancy by pretending baby Trig was hers) “vicious” or “ugly.” This is an old and, in some ways, noble way of dealing with an unmarried pregnancy in the family. It even figured in a couple of Soprano episodes (in that case, a married sister claimed the illegitimate child).

In my book, Palin’s political exploitation of her daughter’s pregnancy is far, far worse. And that is what she is claiming as the truth!

It shows the total disfunctional morality of this stage of the conservative movement.

6 09 2008
J T

Guys, I think that baby thing is a red herring. Seriously. Keep on that, and then those folks at Fox news will say all the anti-Palin folks are just hatemongers who are out to get poor sweet Sarah.

We need to focus on her cruelty – the hunting from planes, which even many hunters say is horrid.

The fiscal mess she left for her city….which is documented and hitting the mainstream news.

There is so much REAL stuff, that is provable.

And…suppose the baby story is true. So what? To those who already like her, they will say it proves she is a wonderful mother, because she did it for her daughter.

She will use the story for her good, and it won’t keep her from the White House.

6 09 2008
Harley
6 09 2008
madbluedog

By the way – this may be against popular liberal opinion (and i am liberal), roe vs. wade is a wedge issue. republicans need to keep it as such or they have nothing to bribe their “base” with in future elections. i do not think we have to worry about it being overturned – they’ve been threatening that for the last 28 or so years. how will they mobilize their base without it? One would think the christian coalition would have wised up to the game by now.

6 09 2008
plwalsh

The Christian Right are dupes. They have slaved away for years for the Republican Party and the most they have ever gotten is Sarah Palin’s nomination as VP, and that was an act of absolute desperation.

If McCain were elected, however, the tables might very well turn. I think Palin is capable of ruthless feats of power to astonish even Machiavelli and perhaps even the Romans. I’m sure she wouldn’t bother to wait until McCain was actually dead.

6 09 2008
VP, Flat Earth Society

I think abortion will become mandatory when the first man has a baby

6 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

About Roe v. Wade:

I keep hearing that the Republicans wouldn’t dare overturn Roe-v-Wade due to the controversy, nor would they ever in a million years put any big bad extremists on the Supreme Court.

But don’t they just want to lull people into a sense of security to get votes? Don’t they lie all the time to get what they want?

I’m just not buying this – the Religious Right has had the overturning of Roe v. Wade at the list forever, and they never let anything go! Look how they are clinging to the war, to oil as a source of energy, and even to 9-11.

6 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

Kimber, I saved that pic yesterday too. That more than anything I’ve seen so far tells me the truth. Those two love that child! Now, will the real parents please take a bow! I could be off base but my heart tells me they will be parenting that baby while MommyDearest is dragging them all over the country and back.

6 09 2008
sockeye

Palin Still Using a Teleprompter While Stumping.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Palin_Still_using_the_teleprompter.html

I would be interested to hear from anyone who has seen Palin live during her first city stops. Was she well received? How did it work with her still reading from a screen as she was addressing crowds?

6 09 2008
plwalsh

Hard to know what IS relevant at this point, so far as Sarah Palin is concerned. I think Palin fatique is soon to set in. Then no one will want to hear ANYTHING about her or her family.

6 09 2008
J T

I am very uneasy by these fundamental churches. To watch Huckabee say blatant lies, and not even flinch, and he calls himself a minister. For Elizabeth from the view to be as snotty as Sarah when discussing the community organizers…it just shows how fake they are and unChristian. My husband went golfing with a Southern Baptist minister, and this minister told him, very seriously, that the way to handle illegal alliens was to shoot them as they cross the border. At first my husband thought he was kidding, but a friend of the minister confirmed he was serious. My husband was shocked. While my husband and I would like more controls on illegals crossing the borders, the idea of shooting them, well…seemed very unChristian, to say the least.

6 09 2008
bwilder

Laurie (22:03:15)
“So I ask you then….what do we do about kids who will not learn at school? What is so terrible about learning about a condom and how to use it. Maybe I am just too out there, but I dont have an issue with it. I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to understand.”

You may be out there, but it’s nice to have some company!🙂 There are ideals and then there is reality. The very simple fact that there are so many unintended/unwanted pregnancies in the teen population tells me that we are not doing enough to deal realistically with the problem. Information is key.

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Laurie: I completely agree that borderlines can be very intelligent. My point was that most of them cannot maintain the high energy level it takes to maintain their facade over a long period. The low functioning bordelines crash after a short time, usually a few months. Indeed, as I said, if Palin is a borderline, she must be one of the highest functioning borderlines I have ever seen, since she has been maintaining that facade for a long time now. That is why I think think she is a narcissist. BTW, narcissism can be a trait of a borderline, but narcisssim is often incorrectly confused with being a borderline.

6 09 2008
Ralph

The day the Palins released their statement about Bristol’s pregnancy, I saw this short article by Colbert King of the Washington Post, titled “A Story Palin Should Tell,” contrasting the response he got to a recent column about teen pregnancy and the Palin announcement.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/09/a_story_palin_should_tell.html

And the morning that McCain announced that Sarah Palin would be her running mate, I ran across this very interesting online Q&A with Gregg Erickson, Columnist and Reporter, Anchorage Daily News and Editor at Large, Alaska Budget Report. My favorite: Question: Why is she experienced enough to lead our nation as president if McCain were unable to do so? Answer: I have a hard time seeing how her qualifications stack up against the duties and responsibilities of being president.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/08/29/DI2008082902052.html

6 09 2008
madbluedog

plwalsh – you are right, no need to take shite for granted. still, i think there is a ton more to worry about losing. i worry more about healthcare, jobs, economy. i worry about climate change, alternative energy, how the usa is seen in the world. my list could go on and on (as i’m sure your’s can). sarah palin is scary. if not for her beliefs, than for her utter lack of qualification for the job.

btw – how the hell does someone (man or woman) with her life-path get “this close” to becoming the VP of the USA??? George Bush anyone???

6 09 2008
bwilder

jan arnold (22:03:25) :
“It seems inconcievable our government would “go there” with the problems it would create but I truly believe we are approaching a crossroads where it can happen.”

We are two Supreme Court appoinments from it happening. No one has the power to overule them.

6 09 2008
Catherine Howard

Why has Sarah’s two eldest children been sent off to finish High School away from the family alma mater? Track went to “Hockey Camp” in Portage, Michigan during his last few months of High School, and Bristol transfered to West High in Anchorage. And, according to Levi’s mom, well, you’ll just have to ask Levi why he isn’t listed as a graduate of Wasilla High School. These “Real Life Family Values” are exactly what I want my kids to have. I want them to have role models they can relate to. Bristol is one of our own! Silly me, just when I thought I’d have to continue to showcase the accomplishments of girls like Jamie Lynn and Britney Spears, and the Kardashian girls. Jamie Lynn just sent Bristol a baby gift! Oh how those Rouge Cou girls all think alike! Maybe, when Bristol’s water breaks, she can fly to Anchorage and then drive to Wasilla just like her mama to have her baby too! Wouldn’t that be adorable?

6 09 2008
xero

@ captainleadbottom (21:55:09) :

I bet we could replace common sense sex ed with bible study, right captainleadbottom?

No thank you, hallelujah.
Such education could also include available contraceptive methods and availablity ..
[…]
Not, “This is how you use a condom.” The massage is, “You can get birth control at the drug store, use it in case you do break the rules, but don’t expect me to be happy about it.”

So, you can tell them where to get condoms, just not how to use them. Doesn’t seem to bright to me. Wishful thinking is nice, but the reality is, is that common sense sex ed prevents more teen pregnancies than abstinence only.

Despite your disdain for the first amendment, our job as parents is not to monitor the media, it is to monitor our children.

Not, “Planned Parenting is here, just in case.”
It is be admirable that there are organizations that can step in when there is no parent for whatever reason. Considering your expressed views, its not surprising you are of the camp of the community organizer haters.

I will decide for myself and my children, not Saint Sarah, your new messiah.

6 09 2008
madbluedog

first of all, abortion has NO right to be federally legislated. i have to believe if it was ever overturned (roe v. wade) states would enact their own laws. not that the fed gov’t would abide by them (snark)

6 09 2008
madbluedog

btw: does anybody know if sarah palin’s kids have graduated from high school?
(track and bristol)

6 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

J T :

The Republicans already think we are hate mongers no matter what we write. We exist, therefore we hate – that’s what they think.

Nobody is going to get truly angry about SP hunting from a plane, no matter how despicable it is. In fact, to some voters, that just makes her seem like healthy fearless wilderness woman. Even Hillary Clinton made a speech about learning to shoot a duck so she would seem macho.

6 09 2008
bwilder

Listen to Obama and then McCain address the AARP 50thAnniversay Forum
(40 million members over the age of 50)
It was broadcast live on the internet and will be going out in the AARP mailers next month.

Obama http://assets.aarp.org/www.aarp.org_/TopicAreas/Events/life-at-50/webstream/obama.html
Lists details on how he wants to work towards shoring up SS and providing helath care.

McCain http://assets.aarp.org/www.aarp.org_/TopicAreas/Events/life-at-50/webstream/mccainod.html
Notice the glaring lack of details but the promises, promises…..talks about having a government elping to solve the problems but never says how……ugh!
CAUTION: Listening to McDull may bore you to death in which case you won’t really need to be concerned about the health care initiaves or Social Security🙂

PS note how long the crowd cheers for Obama vs. McCain when they are each introduced 🙂
Seems to be a Dem crowd or else some of the Repubs are flipping over.

PS note how long the crowd cheers for Obama vs. McCain when they are each introduced 🙂
Seems to be a Dem crowd or else some of the Repubs are flipping over.

6 09 2008
madbluedog

i don’t think the repubs think we’re hate mongers. i think they think we’re p*ssys.

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Captain Lead Bottom: Actually we are not that far apart on the issue. I have no problem with the concept of abstinence. If properly practiced, it can be very effective. The problem is that teens will be teens and the sexual urge can be very overpowering. That is why sex education must also be taught hand in hand. I think the message should be: “We highly frown on you having sex before marriage, but if you decide you MUST do it, then at least know how to take the steps to protect yourself. I also agree that the media glorifies improiper role models, thus promoting pre-marital sex. However, this is a tougher issue, since kids today are more sophisticated than when I was young. In my day, most teens did not begin having sex until a senior in high school or in college. Now, it is almost immediately after puberty. I do agree, that is way too soon, and should be highly discouraged. Parental guidance will be very helpful, but won’t always work. Thus the need for sex education.

6 09 2008
bwilder

Listen to Obama and then McCain address the AARP 59th Anniversay Forum
(40 million members over the age of 50)
It was broadcast live on the internet and will be going out in the AARP mailers next month.

Obama http://assets.aarp.org/www.aarp.org_/TopicAreas/Events/life-at-50/webstream/obama.html
Lists details on how he wants to work towards shoring up SS and providing helath care.

McCain http://assets.aarp.org/www.aarp.org_/TopicAreas/Events/life-at-50/webstream/mccainod.html
Notice the glaring lack of details but the promises, promises…..talks about having a government helping to solve the problems but never says how……ugh!

CAUTION: Listening to McDull may bore you to death. But then you wouldn’t need to worry about health care issues or the collapse of Social Security. 🙂

Obama got a standing ovation and lots of vigorous applause. McRhetoric- not so much.

Obama said he would bring all parties to the table and that pharma and insurance companies can also have a seat. One seat- they won’t be able to buy them all. AND he wants to televise these meetings on C-Span for the sake of transparency.

6 09 2008
HamletsMill

I’ve been moving around on some other sites tonight. Stopped at HuffPo for a look on the way back here. This is truly shocking to read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/the-battle-between-mccain_b_123147.html

If the COSMIC SOUL MATES of McSame and Mommie Dearest are elected to the Presidency of the United States, Karl Rove will have been probably the most destructive human being in all of American history since the beginning of the nation. How in the world coul;d it have ever come to this?

Good-night Mudflatians! This is now DAY TEN since all of us were suddenly warped into this completely bizarreo alternative Universe. I need some sleep. Pleasant dreams to all of your across our currently deranged land.

I did, however, like this one act of citizen commentary to try to aid the situation:

6 09 2008
GC

Glad to see that you are using only initials for the current AK gov!!! No name mention since it’s Sunday (see DailyKos blog!) Enough with the name recognition!

This election is about qualifications and the issues.

Folks….this family stuff will come out, but we need facts not supposition/conjured thoughts.

We need substantive discussion of the issues to show the folks out there who are still undecided that Obama/Biden is about real change not verbage.

If you want to do something: go volunteer/canvass, give $, help local candidates.

We still have a problem with a portion of the democratic base that still has a mistrust of Obama becuase of negatives from the primary. Get out there and start talking the talk.

If you are fired up because of the VP pick, get out of the house and do something! or at least make some phone calls!

Come back here and see whats going on, but folks winning requires work!

Fired up and ready to go !!!

6 09 2008
Hanna

Any truth to this rumor that someone plea-bargained his way to Iraq via a few school busses and a bottle of vodka?

http://frontiersman.com/articles/2005/12/06/news/news2.txt

Just curious…

Yes, that’s the rumor. Radio reports here in Anchorage have stated that the 16-year old was Track Palin. I do not know how they verified this, however, since the court documents are sealed because he was a minor. Another oddity is that Troopers were called to the scene, and Mike Wooten could possibly have been one of them. Ah, the tangled web we weave…
AKMuckraker

6 09 2008
bwilder

madbluedog (22:23:27) :

btw: does anybody know if sarah palin’s kids have graduated from high school?
(track and bristol)

don’t know but she went to five colleges in six years to get her journalism degree?

6 09 2008
Karen


Here’s a video from the 2nd secessionist convention. At around 6:00 the leader of the AIP brings up Governor Palin’s involvement.

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

I also agree we need to stay away from all the wild rumors that are swirling around Gov. Palin. We need to concentrate of what we can prove to show she is utterly unqualified to be VP. The unsubstantiated rumors detract from the real message and will be used by the GOP to discount the real provable issues.

6 09 2008
madbluedog

yes bwilder yes: are these not valid questions to ask? 5 colleges in 6 years? did she even graduate? did her son track graduate? or did he just join the military? did bristol ever go back to school after her “mono”?

6 09 2008
bwilder

and to all a goodnight !

6 09 2008
Polly

acliberal – what a great observation! you are so right, she never does seem motherly to her baby. it could be that in her “perfect” world, having a special needs baby reminds her that she is somewhat deficient, therefore hasn’t bonded (accepted) …

6 09 2008
Laurie

@bwilder….wonderful post. Thankyou

6 09 2008
madbluedog

and i agree ahiredgun – but this tabloid crap that hits television sways voters. i don’t know about everybody else, but part of me is sick of playing fair-and-square.

6 09 2008
jan arnold

JT – well, that is just like the talk Sarah gave at church about this war being God’s will. It is so offensive how all they talk about is life for the unborn and yet are totally ruthless towards the already born. Their views on global warming (I think they know it’s true but deny it because they do not think it will impact them & do not care about the poor around the world (or the animal species) who will suffer the most & the war in eye-rack (as Sarah would say) where they revelled In the shock & awe, giddy on their power with not a thought for the terror families in bagdad must have experienced. This is why I shake my head at these pro lifers. That minister was shocking. What must God think?

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Madbluedog: I fully understand where you are coming from. Kerry lost in 2004 because he did not slam dunk the swift boaters. However, I don’t want to give the GOP any ammo to help deflect from the provable facts that Palin should not even be Governor of Alaska, let alone a VP candidate.

6 09 2008
xero

@ jan arnold

What must God think?

Dont worry, they will tell us what god thinks, when we need to know it.

6 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

I can see that global warming is taking a back seat to sex ed from the back seat here this evening, not that I think that is such a bad thing, issues is issues and we for sure need to keep those issues current and the line of communication, miscommunication and discommunication open and flowing. Did I hear someplace yesterday that another big chunk of ice just broke off from one of the northern ice flows…can’t remember if it’s coming down the pacific or the atlantic side….will it cool off any tempers in the US election fray?

I had to take a break and go read some of my love they neighbor as yourself, Unity material to balance my droppring blood sugar and raising blood pressure. It’s certainly a challenge to stay balanced with all these issues issuing forth.

The one thing I did get from reading offline was the reminder to look for the good and do more of that….because it feels much better than liviing in fear and anger. So, now I’m looking with my old community organizer eyes at what good I could be doing and if there is anything more I need to do tonight.

I do so appreciate all of you here and thank you for keeping me thinking, now I’m going to stop thinking and do my New Earth exercises….boy I enjoy them when I get so lost in the past or far out into the future….

6 09 2008
6 09 2008
J T

jan arnold, the scary thing..that minister I wrote about has the fastest growing church in our area. It is a huge congregation and he is very well liked.

One of my friends, who used to be a staunch Democrat and Clinton fan joined the church a while back. She is so sucked into it. Her family is a soap opera, and I think she needed the church. Well the other day she sent me (along with everyone else on her email list) a pro-McCain and Palin email.

I responded with : “Are you kidding??”

6 09 2008
madbluedog

and that, AHiredGun, we can for sure agree on. i think that is what panics us all – swift boating. people buying into the lies they see on TV.

i am still pretty confident that all of this smoke around palin will eventually start a fire – before the election – no matter how hard they try to keep it under the rug.

good to be amongst great company, mutflats, you are fantastic!!

6 09 2008
reuche

The time to act sanctimonious about celebrities, including elected officials, is long past now that we have all learned that they are in fact human like the rest of us. I can only imagine how many people of ability in the last 20 years have elected to stay out of the political arena because of such scrutiny. I certainly have civil service and activism in favor of protecting my privacy. There are even allegations that your chosen candidate Obama has systematically avoided leaving behind things that could be used against him later (I wouldn’t trust that guy with a $2 bill). In other words, even if there was no Trig scandal I would still think of her daughter as fair game. Ultimately if Palin really had wanted her family left alone she shouldn’t have put herself forward, or she shouldn’t have pulled her along with her. Especially since as you pointed out, Palin threw Bristol under the bus to quash rumors that Trig wasn’t hers. She would have been entirely within her rights to never answer any questions about the matter, but because she did the path was only opened to deeper doubts.

By the way I heard the other day something about Alaska actually ranking first in per-capita for either availability of contraceptives, birth control in general, or sexual education within the united states. I’m not sure if this data is at all weighted for social pressure, like the prominent Governor being a member of a hard-line pro-life group whose activities are at least disturbing. I also do not recall where the data was sourced from, some non-partisan organization I think, I am not familiar with such american organizations but perhaps other readers are familiar with this news.

6 09 2008
jan arnold

Xero – that is sad but true. I wish he would talk to me instead of George Bush! What does George have that I haven’t got?

6 09 2008
Laurie

Karen I watched the video you put up re;AIP. Then…I watched the video next to it where SP was interviewed about ANWR. Funny thing…according to Fox news, she now has a Bachelor of Science degree from the university of Idaho.

She is so full of crap, and this entire thing with the media is driving me nuts. For heaven sake…she didnt go to school in one place long enough to obtain two degrees if you believe the journalism one. Furthermore, she is supposed to have studied Business Admin. her first year.

My only hope now, is that the MSM is gathering info and is going to just lambast them with it.

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Jan – schizophrenia – lol.

6 09 2008
Mad Skillz

@ Kimbers

Thanks for the props. That is why I chose the pic. It’s their baby – any parent would recognize it. I think it was done so her mom could still tout the abstinence program and its *success.* In the end, the family is hurt by her actions. And I want someone who’d be too emotional (I’ll bomb Iran because they called me a name!) because Viagraman Mc will be on oxygen. Yeah, I wanna see the replay of Troopergate on the international stage.

No thanks, folks. I am still waiting for the medical records and Trig’s birth certificate – or record of one.

6 09 2008
madbluedog

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if we do nothing else in Tim Russert’s memory, please watch this video of him totally embarrassing John McCain.

6 09 2008
xero

jan arnold

What does George have that I haven’t got?

Enough unbridled patriotism to go to war.

6 09 2008
Karen

Someone mentioned earlier that Sarah is never seen kissing baby Trig (the few times she’s held him). I realized that was the thing that was missing. I went back and looked at the end of her convention speech when she took the baby from Willow. She just took him from her arms and hoisted him onto her shoulder. That would be a very emotional moment for anyone especially a mother and I can’t imagine not giving him a kiss on the forehead.
I don’t necessarily buy into the fake pregnancy theory, I just feel there is something very wrong with her.

6 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

I’ve seen quite a few comments about “if you want to do something” go do it, as if none of us are aware of what to do to help Obama get elected.

Maybe some of you missed something the other day (not surprising since these comments pile up quickly) but many of us gave alot of money the other day after Palin’s speech. Many people also went right out and volunteered the next day.

You are preaching to the choir here.

6 09 2008
madbluedog

seriouly – not to be an ass – just PLEASE watch this. I promise you will be forwarding it to everyone you know!

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Madbluedog: I did watch it. It should have been a little longer. I’ll bet Russert ripped him on McCain’s statement he made at the end of the clip that said Somalia was different from Iraq.

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

I totally agree it is sad that Russert is gone. This election would have been his shining moment.

6 09 2008
TheraP

Good questions you’re asking here.

Seems to me that a candidate can’t “advertise” family members or the issues related to those family members – and then tie the hands of the press. It seems Palin has taken the view that a double standard applies: She’ll do photo ops. But no one gets to question her.

A politician can’t really have it two ways. If you want family off limits, then make that obvious by protecting your family from photo ops

If you don’t protect your family yourself, you can’t expect to tie the hands of the press.

Otherwise, she’s saying: Do as I say, not as I do.

How would other countries like that?

6 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

TheraP: Excellent post – I totally agree with you.

6 09 2008
jan arnold

J T — the other thing that bugs me about these mega republican neo conservative fundamental evangelical lollapoolooza churches is many of them talk about and pray for … Prosperity! That blows my mind. In their services, they don’t preach caring for the downtrdden or any of that old fashioned stuff. They preach that god wants us to be well off and to pray for prosperity and god will grant it. I have seen this on CNN a couple of times. I am SO out of step with evangelicals…

6 09 2008
Laurie

lol…I must be really weird …xero

I have actually had to teach groups of young people how to use condoms. I am a social worker who worked extensively in HIV prevention and drug abuse.

6 09 2008
xero

@ Laurie

Bless you for being a sane person. The people you’ve touched are indeed lucky to have you.🙂

6 09 2008
AHiredGun

Good night all – I just turned into a pumpkin.

6 09 2008
meleana

Siege, HIredGun thanks for picking up on narcissism question– I appreciate the validation from qualified psychologists. What’s worse than the individual narcissist (gawd can I spell that again?) are the institutions that seem to be collectively narcissistic where they hide out. Some churches. Ritualistic organizations. Orders. Brotherhoods. Political parties. Sisterhoods. Fraternal organizations. Anywhere where sanctimony is the rule.

What happens when a whole society gets mentally ill? We’d better figure it out, because it’s happening. Maybe it means that collectively we stop lying and collectively live by the golden rule. I think that was the Rosanne Barr line for the first thing a new president should mandate- live by the golden rule.

ON the question of whether the kids are fair game, I think not. We don’t need to validate Rove and O’Reilly-like responses. Besides, criticizing her children is an elixor of strength for her, it will energize her, invigorate her. There are more effective ways to deal with narcissists but it is hard. They’re very resilient, especially when they have an array of institutions that protect them.

Anyone reading Ken Wilbur?

6 09 2008
Lila

Could that be a picture of Willow, not Bristol?

6 09 2008
ds55

jan arnold & JT: TIME Magazine had a set of articles on the subject of ‘money churches’ and preaching prosperity entitled “Does God Want You To Be Rich?” Sept. 2006
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1533448,00.html

6 09 2008
Laurie

TheraP….do you remember when Obama let one of the entertainment channels talk to his little girls just once…while they were still in the primaries? By all accounts these 2 little gals were polite, funny, well spoken and proud of their parents.

The MSM had a field day. Obama and his wife were berated for several days after that, and Obama himself said that he would be keeping his kids out of the public eye as much as possible after that. It was absolutely innocent, yet because it was Barack and Michelle…it was bad bad bad.

I think it was Michelle Malkin..not sure…who said after the big speech Michelle gave in Denver that the little one with a sun dress on…the oldest girl…looked like a little ho with spagetti straps!! I was furious!

My point is…where are they all now? Not one word about outing Bristol on national and even international tv. Not one word about how inappropriate to bring Levi…gum snapping levi…to the convention. Parading that poor little baby all over hells half acre. They are hypocrites.

6 09 2008
In The Land of Disbelief

Great post on choice and sex ed, Mudflatter. Spot on as usual.

I just flashed on a completely irrelevent (but amusing) thought. If the end of the world happens and McCain/Palin get elected. I’m going to get a kick out of the Secret Serivce dudes following Todd during the Iron Dog race. I bet they’ll blend right in. I can see them now having coffee in Nome wishing they were back at Neiman Marcus following Tipper Gore around.

6 09 2008
rubby

Sorry, but a picture of Bristol in her basketball uniform has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you are arguing here.

Of course family issues are sometimes “fair game” in American politics (how can they not be, the way politicians trot their spouses and even children on stage?). But if you’re going to drag family into your argument, at least do so with tact and use only what is actually pertinent. “Fair game” isn’t a license to drop your standards.

6 09 2008
Mrs. Polly

The chances of having a Downs syndrome child after the age of forty go up sharply. That’s why I believe Trig is Gov. Palin is Trig’s mother.

6 09 2008
Roxanne

You mention that all states have legal abortion options. I thought I would let you know, in case you didn’t realize it, that south Dakota plans to vote on a measure this November to ban (in a very serious way) all abortions. Currently there is a ‘near defacto’ ban, due to the lapse of an injunction Planned Parenthood obtained against the state in 2005. I think these issues are just as much about “families” making these decisions, as they are about creating circumstances in which teenage girls have to make them. Obviously, teen pregnancy has been around since time began (well I’m guessing about the time began part really) and I doubt it will ever go away. As you’ve indicated here, there’s a real need to address these issues, and “just say no” is just not gonna work!

6 09 2008
meleana

What’s missing from the discussion on legal abortion is that teenage girls make up only a portion of those women choosing to end their pregnancies. Married women get abortions. It’s not just about raging hormone teenagers.

7 09 2008
ds55

I just saw a comment on HuffPo that the VP debate will be hosted by Gwen Ifill of PBS. http://forum2006.nd.edu/forum-details/speakers

7 09 2008
TheraP

AKmuckraker (God, I love your handle! …. AK for Alaska and the assault weapon)

There is a great new site – with a counter for seconds, minutes, hours, days since Sarah won’t talk with the press!

http://countemdown.blogspot.com/

There’s a widget you can download – onto your very own site!!!

7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

That’s because there is a differance between Preacher’s, Ministor’s, Pastor’s, and Priest. They may all think they speak for God, but God speaks “through” or too anyone, (or not if you don’t believe) but if you want to be a preacher, ministor, pastor, or Priest, you may not want to let the secret out. So far everytime I’ve claimed to be God in a fundamental church they want to put me in a little white coat. At least in my place of spiritual enlightment, some of us stopped calling it a church when they accused us of being a cult, and now call it a Unity Center, we try to let people choose what and how they want to believe (or not) We like to think we are on a spiritual path not a religious path but in any case we certainly believe there are many paths and they are all just as valid.

It’s ever so much fun…here in a town with 57 churches and growing, I promised not to picket in front of their building if they didn’t picket in front of mine, a few years back, but I hear tell we have been a great resource, because many of the good preachers, ministers and pastors, (sorry my figures don’t spell so good when I’m tired please read what I mean not what I type) often come to our book store for books on prosperty and other enligtening ideas…some will admitt they are looking for stuff to preach against, because they need new material about cults, and pick up some of the books we have on native and international religions, their idea of god forbitten…should their congregation know they might be interested in reading about “worldly stuff”. Before Amazon.com one well known minister even called to ask if I would let him come in after dark and after hours, through the back door alley entrance, so no one could see him come in. Since I was going to be there anyway I said sure, and noticed that he parked his car very, very, far away, not even in the parking lot right next door which is a Medical Clinic. First thing he wanted to know was, “if that was where all the baby killing doctors were?” This gave me a laugh, because most of the doctors in that building were feet, ear, and throat specialist…I think they had maybe one internist at the time, but no OBGYN’s or baby doctors.

Oh, and I was glad to pass on the info on Prosperity, I felt at the time some good books (pun intended) needed to be in their hands and the more prosperity our community had the better. I’m kind of bummed now that they are preaching who one should vote for, cause if we did that and got caught doing it they would pull our 501-c-3 status and we would have to pay property tax on the building we call our spiritual play ground – Center. We tend to talk politics in the parking lot of the Medical Clinic….and keep it off the Center grounds. But we can do voter registration and open forums if we invite both/all parties.

off the soap box….just had to put a word in for “prosperty” and spritual freedom…

7 09 2008
Deb

as an Independent, a former resident of Alaska, a supporter of Obama, a woman, and someone who knows a little bit about “religion”, I have to point out that if we are to be effective here then we need to get beyone the “soap opera” stories of Trig and teenage pregnancy. This is about MUCH bigger issues…..I just commented in a “chatroom” to an Oklahoman who happened to be quite close to my the small town I grew up in in Texas, who didn’t want to talk politics to me to remember when he voted that were he to pull that lever for Palin in Nov he would be voting for mayor of said city that he was in in Texas to be VP and possible POTUS…..he stopped chatting for a few minutes and then said “omg”. and then I pointed out that THAT is the executive experience she claims…..the bristol story, the trig story is al smoke and mirrors the FACTS of this farce are much more convincing than sitting here talking about trig or bristol. While I love (somewhat) a good soap as much as the next…this is NOT the heart of the matter and the republicans know that.

7 09 2008
Catherine

Bristol’s uterus is off limits as long as mine is.

And most decent sexual education programs not only cover different means of contraception, as well as how to use them (because what good is a condom if it comes off, or is put on incorrectly and thus uncomfortable so the couple doesn’t use it next time?), but also strategies for saying “no.” If a young woman thinks she has found the perfect guy for her, and he makes her feel beautiful instead of awkward, and flatters her, and then drops the “if you love me, you’ll sleep with me,” what is she supposed to say to that if she is afraid of losing him? She needs to have the confidence and the right words to express that she isn’t ready yet. And young men need to hear how to withstand the peer pressure from buddies that if they don’t do it, they won’t be “real men,” since sometimes they aren’t ready, either. Sex can lead to a lot of emotional entanglements that young people aren’t usually able to cope with, but they need to know how to refuse if they aren’t ready to be sexually active yet.

Besides, so many people assume that birth control is only for premarital sex, and it isn’t. Men and women don’t suddenly know how to protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases or avoid pregnancy as soon as they are married, and they might want to wait a couple years after marriage to start a family, space out their children, or avoid pregnancy later in life because of the risk of disorders such as Downs syndrome. Sex ed should start young, but it is something that is applicable to all adults, married or not.

And it would help if more adults in this country could discuss sex without giggling like junior high school kids. It’s a fact of life – odds are that most people will have sex at some point in their lives. Better for everyone if however old they are, whether abstinent until 16 or 26, they know how to have sex safely.

She reminds me of the nasty girls in junior high who would spread poisonous gossip behind the backs of other girls who weren’t in their little clique. Wasn’t there a movie called “Heathers” or something about that?

7 09 2008
flatlander

I see the big wedding is election day, Nov 4

How sad that Bristol and Levi can’t even have their own day, but have to share it with “Mom’s” good or bad news.

7 09 2008
sockeye

Mudflat’ers,

Below are two articles regarding voting irregularities during the 2004 election.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/opinion/26edt1.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Please encourage everyone you know to confirm their voter registration well in advance of election day. The Obama / Biden campaign has registered new voters in record numbers this year. We want to make sure all Americans can have their voice heard on election day.

Voter registration may be easily confirmed online at: https://voteforchange.com/

Thanks everyone!

7 09 2008
Catherine

Also – am I the only one who feels sorry for Levi? I hope he does want to marry her – but if he didn’t he could hardly say no after he got the daughter of the governor pregnant. And then probably to be told he has to be cleaned up and suitable as the son-in-law to a VP candidate is a lot to absorb.

7 09 2008
xero

@ flatlander

It’ll be that much sadder when Mommy loses, no? Angry Gov. Mooseburger + Wedding = not so much fun.

7 09 2008
strangelet

All I can say is, if Levi and Bristol get married on Nov 4, I will be very put out.

(1) Who gets married on a bloody Tuesday.

(2) It’s election day

(3) It’s my damn birthday.

7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

I promised to shut up and go to bed, but why does being arrested in in 1967 in Twin Falls ID for passing out birth control leaflet flash before my almost closed eyelids? I wasn’t the one arrested, but I was former welfare Mom turned VISTA that along with a Community Action supervisor had to go bail out the poor volunteer that was. Please get me out of here….

7 09 2008
xero

#stranglet

(2) It’s election day
We can hope all her disciples attend the the grand union of the holy prince and princess of American and forget we live in a democracy.

The rest of us will go vote.

7 09 2008
John Doe

I don’t know if this has been posted previously, but worth a look:

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/the-authoritative-trig-palin-conspiracy-time-line.html

7 09 2008
randomness

Oh welll I am simply spent at this point. Now THE REAL FATHER OF BRISTOL’S BABY has posted a video on YouTube. Sad thing is he is sincere.

I pity the fools….in the Republican party. What is Buchanan going to say now?

7 09 2008
LaurainSF

Lila, I think you are right, it’s Willow.

‘Night all.

7 09 2008
7 09 2008
Anoymous

Great site!

7 09 2008
rachelbirds

Famiily is off
limits until its not — who
makes that decision?

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/september-7-2008/

7 09 2008
Anne

You get to the heart of what’s concerns me about Palin. I’m not concerned about Bristol and her choices — but the fact that she HAS a choice matters. The fact that Sarah makes policy decisions based on her religious convictions will make a lot of fundamentalists very happy, but makes me sweat bullets. It reminds me of the conservative religious governments in the Middle East that the US finds so threatening.

Thanks for another thoughtful post. I think i want to marry you🙂

7 09 2008
NY Dem

It would seem to me, and I assume this is probably true for most families, that after having 4 kids, wouldn’t they be considering some kind of permanent birth control, such as a vasectomy ? And if Todd DID have a vasectomy after # 4, and that can be proven, then Sarah has some major questions to answer about this latest baby.

My thought – she was rushing home from Texas and passed up those other 2 hospitals that had neonatal ICU’s because her daughter Bristol was giving birth prematurely at her ‘home’ hospital (Mat-Su Regional ?).

7 09 2008
independent woman

This a reprint of my view of this McCain/Palin Disaster/Disease as i posted in an earlier blog;

I Call in Palinitis:

Sarah Palin is like “new P*ssy”. It’s new, fresh, smells different, looks good. You have a whirlwind romance and you just impusively jump right into bed with her RAW, no protection…..

Then BAM! you start to itch (that’s nothing a little poison ivy I guess, she abused her power in Alaska but she won’t do it as VP)…

Then your “Willie” starts burning, ( Oh I have to cut back on all that pork I’ve been eating like the $27 mil in pork Sarah got for her “small town”),…

Now you need to see a Doctor, ( but damn you don’t have medical insurance so you go to the emergency room, No Gas , it’s too high, so let’s call John to give me a ride and guess what you can’t afford your prescription either)

Then you start losing weight, (oh I needed to go on a diet anyway like the miillions of hard working people who have to choose between luxuries like FOOD and HEAT just so they can get to work everyday for that check that no longer covers their cost of living)…

Ooops, You’ve got an STD ( So Terribly Stupid, for not protecting yourself from this woman I know nothing about that McCain “pimped” on you, well she looked CLEAN and GOOD on the outside but you should’ve got to know her better before you stuck your “Willie ALL IN!)

Now you Have HIV/AIDS( How I Voted/ Ain’t I Double Stupid because you didn’t do your due dilligence and check her out, you thought her Pimp McCain had her checked but he was as careless as you were)

Then you’re DEAD, ( Because those COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS that used to help people no longer have any way of helping you now that YOU need it, but your happy because you voted for McCain/Palin and kept that Black Dude in his place, too bad your family can’t afford to bury you because you dropped your insurance so you could buy a couple months worth of meds, you’ve lost your house but SO WHAT you’re gonna die anyway and after your gone John or another Pimp like him will be pimping your daughter on Main Street)

We lost 84,000 jobs last month, that is well over a half million this year alone.
Do yourself a favor and ask McCain what he is going to do to change that. Are you next? Because there are alot of people who never thought they’d have to make diffucult choices like whether to eat lunch everyday or actually get to work, who SAVE in order to take their family to McDonalds or the movies. Things they used to take for granted. Those people are ACTUALLYLISTENING to what John McCain has to say about how he is going to turn this country around and they are hearing a whole lot of nothing.

If you aren’t living paycheck to paycheck then I hope you have a year’s worth of income in the bank. Because you are an illness or crisis away from devastation and or death. It is those that see it happening all around them to their neighbors that are questioning what is McCain’s plan to CHANGE things FOR US ALL!
Quite frankly YOU KNOW in your heart that he really doesn’t care.

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN
Obama/Biden 08

7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

Ok, I had to get up for the 3 o’clock bathroom thing and stolled by my screen, no it is never off, but while I was releaving myself after spending a moment looking at some stat site running the numbers, the thought occurred to me, how much do the dems have set aside to pay the fee’s for last minute ballot counting in the last state that shows up on the election night map? Last time it all came down to FL, then some judge….because we ran out of money steam, or grit, which was it? I can’t quite remember this early in the morning…but I do remember how long it took to count those hanging chad’s and was wondering who countrols the courts in which states…OMG this is getting to complex for me….but I’d really, really like to get the westcoast votes counted before the cave in and give the election to a tiny state with lots of electro votes…., if it’s going down the wireat least let’s let one red and one blue state and one purple state hold out for awhile, then bring it home with so many absentee ballots, like WA did last time.

7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

sorry if that was the wrong place to post those rambling thoughts I didn’t even look to see which box I left open…I got to get more zzzzzz

7 09 2008
Arwen

Ok, so the Christian conservatives and the GOP are holding Bristol Palin up as an example of a young woman who made the right choice. But what about education??? Is she going to finish high school? Did Levi finish high school? That would be a very important example to set for other young people in the same situation.

7 09 2008
typingisnotactivism

actually, it’s not a sure thing that Bristol did have a choice. She would no doubt have been denied that portion of the biology course about how babies are made. She may well have just thought she found a special way to make Levi talk to Jesus for 20 seconds. Baby number 2 and she still hasn’t clicked to the connection. Ew.

7 09 2008
Kim

It looks like the McCain campaign has cooked up someone to say she had her baby the same day in the same hospital as Sarah Palin and even saw the Gov. walking around the hospital trying to progress her labor. Oddly enough, this person isn’t listed as having a baby in or around April 18, 2008 at the hospital SP supposedly delivered at.

http://www.clipclip.org/clips/detail/239347/welcome-to-mat-su-regional-medical-center

In fact since they give the mother’s first and middle names, you can see that no one named Haylee delivered a baby in April,2008 at all.

Here’s a link to the story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26583001

And what the statement was:

“She loves Alaska,” said Haylee Davison, who delivered a daughter the same day and watched her governor pace the hospital hallways to encourage labor. “She wanted her son to be born here, not Texas.”

7 09 2008
Rene

All I know is… my parents were teenagers of the 50’s, when the standard was not to talk to your children about sex or reproduction. I received sex ed when I was in 6th grade I was 12. If not for this education I would have not know anything at all and would have been extremely surprised and quite scared when mother nature made her first visit. I am a very strong believer in sex ed.. I find it very hard to believe even in today’s modern times that parents are discussing this with their children. I don’t have any kids so I am not in touch with what is going on with kids today.

7 09 2008
BigSlick

My 10 year old son’s birthday is the 2nd week of November.

I asked him what he wanted for his presnet and with no prompting from me he said quickly, clearly, and very seriously.

“I want Barack Obama to win the election and George Bush to get arrested for murder.”

7 09 2008
Merle

Sarah Palin, her children and how she chooses to either educate them or not are hardly the issue. If she wants to embrace and engage in irresponsible and abhorrant social behaviors, at any cost, so long as more innocent souls are flung into being in her ‘culture of life’ where anyone, without any regard to social or personal responsibility, can make a baby and ‘step to the front of the line’, that’s her choice to make and hers alone to explain.

Sarah Palin’s Culture of Death is the real issue.

7 09 2008
Len

So, while Sarah was saying that it was Bristol’s choice, was she saying that she actually GAVE her a choice? According to the way she thinks, I think her real message was we didn’t give Bristol a choice. She’s having that baby because we say so. However, I too agree that Sarah is the mother of Trig…..Who’s water breaks, gives a speech (vs. a screech), then travels thousands of miles to give birth, jeopardizing not only the baby, but her own health as well. And where was lover dude Todd? One would like to think ‘daddy’ would not stand for that. All that aside, the bottom line here is…..McCain’s judgement or lack thereof and the fate of this country.

Kudos AK from PA

7 09 2008
Rene

Ok, first why would they say Trigg is mom’s and then now say Bristol is pregnant. What would it matter either way you have a pregnant teenager. Also I really believe that poor baby has downs and a much more serious condition such as hydrocephalus ( water on the brain ). I known someone with child with both conditions an he looked just like Trigg. The forehead and the backof the baby’s head was much more protruded. That would explain why you never see the baby respond to his enviroment. I have watch that baby and I have never seen his arms move. Downs alone would not make him so unresponsive. If this is the case it speaks of what kind of mother she actually is.

7 09 2008
krassen

The picture is of Willow Palin who goes to JDH. Bristol Palin was attending the high school in Wassila before transfering mid-yaer to Anchorage.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

Small Town America

Defined by the GOP thinking?, or lack there of!!

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=184114

7 09 2008
MJC

Help! Help! Muckracker and Mudflats, please help me brain storm! Read this story and tell me if it is something that would possibly make a good and effective article once completed? Does it have legs?

THE PINOCHIO FACTOR – TALL TALES – AND THE DANGER IT PRESENTS TO AMERICANS PEOPLE.

Yesterday, Barak Obama said this, and I quote:
“Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can’t just make stuff.”

1. We need to list a compilation of Tall Tales that have emerged in recent days from the Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin.
(list tall tales and list all legitimate sources)

2. We need to list a compilation of Tall Tales that have emerged in recent days from the Republican Presidential nominee John McCain.
(list tall tales and list all legitimate sources)

3. We need to list a compilation of Tall Tales that have emerged at the RNC from the Republican speakers. (list tall tales and list all legitimate sources)

* We need to weave this story of Tall Tales coming from the Republican Party and prove to the American people why it is so important that we should take all of their Tall Tales into account when we are deciding who to vote for on election day.

* The most effective way to accomplish this is to relate their inherent behaviors and this story back full circle to the days when President Bush and his foreign policy advisors were weaving their own Tall Tales concerning ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’ in Iraq.

* What is important to note here is that this administration knowingly lied (Tall Tales) and used fear tactics to convince the American public that we needed to invade Iraq because of the risks and dangers it posed of Sadam Hussein having acquired WMD’s. They also implied that Sadam Hussein was in cahoots with the known Terrorists that carried out the horrors of 911. Both of these facts has since been proven to have been WRONG, and they knew it from the beginning.

* The Tall Tales that the McCain and Palin ticket are now weaving is a serious indication of the lengths to which they would go to deceive the American Public in order to obtain their objective. In my opinion, this situation is eerily similar to the events leading up to the invasion of Iraq. As Barack Obama has stated many times, “John McCain has voted with George Bush over 90% of the time. I don’t know about you but I’m not willing to take a 10% chance on John McCain.”

7 09 2008
Laura

Willow has an excellent example of how to be a pro life mom. Watch mommy travel at the latest stage of pregnancy, bypass excellent hospitals to deliver this precious special needs infant. Than, after 3 whole days…hustle back to being guv.

What a joke! A perfect example of pro lifers treatment of their poor children.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

Hero’s Song by Brendan James

“Here I am
In the desert again
A compass and a weapon
A lost American”

7 09 2008
Arun

Forget Roe v. Wade for a moment, take a look at this new Health & Human Services rule. Read through to understand the impacts to women.

7 09 2008
Memphis, NY

Wow can’t believe it my local paper in Syracuse, NY even reported this
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/518522.html

7 09 2008
SD Surfchick

The issue at stake here is EDUCATION and not just Sex Education. Parenthood and War seem to take precedent in SP’s world. Has she ever mentioned her children’s education? Graduation? College plans? And then in the macro-picture, the fact that millions of Americans are embracing an uneducated minor public servant as potential President of the US, makes me feel that this country has degenerated beyond redemption.

As a former high school English teacher, I saw this happening to our young people. How thinking, reading, analyzing information, understanding argument vs propoganda have been lost to testing and right answers, obsession with media images, and the belief that whatever a person chooses to believe is truth.

Will a historian out there please tell me if this country has ever had a President as inexperienced, unschooled, and oblivious to his/her lack of preparation for the most important job in the country? At least Reagan, a bobblehead, had served two full terms of governor and had a shrewd, sophisticated wife propping him up.

It seems we are now a nation of numb robots who can’t discern between fact and fiction. This includes the facts of Jesus’s teachings, SP’s political record, Obama’s personal history, the current economy, and the War in Iraq.

SP’s stand on Education– whether sex ed or special ed or college bound — may be the scariest thing about her, even scarier than her Environmental or Abortion Rights stance. This is a woman who flaunts her ignorance because in her world. the only real values are fingernails, money, wiliness, and shooting accuracy.

7 09 2008
tammy

On the baby not responding to his environment, that would fall under alot of categories listed in the DSM-V. The CDC website brings up mental retardation in down syndrome babies. It is not uncommon to a special needs child to have multiple diagnosis. Some special needs children do have allergies. That could be environmental or food or both. The American Pediatric Association came out in the past year and said that the first three years in a special needs child is the most crucial. That early intervention is the key. There are therapies that the child needs in the first three years. Like speech, ot, physical therapy. And a very valid question is how she is going be able to do this in the first three years if she is the v.p. If your child gets sick at three in the morning and you get a call at three in the morning in relation to the government, which one comes first? Those are valid questions.

On the teenage pregnancy thing and choice, two questions. At what age can a teenage girl legally leave home? Some states have that age at 16. What age is it in Alaska? What age can you legally drop out of high school? Minnesota has a new law that states you must be in school until the age of 18.

I saw somewhere where Palin is pro home schooling. What is the criteria in Alaska for doing home schooling? Do you have to submit your plan for the entire school year on what you will be teaching? Do you have to get the state department of education approval on this plan? Is there any testing that a home school student has to go through by the state? What is the procedure for this? In Minnesota there was a problem with the parents doing the tests for the students. Is she going to force home schooling over public education? These are valid questions.

7 09 2008
tammy

Arun I got a email on that from moveon.org about a month ago.

7 09 2008
Viv

I am tired of how people are in awe of Palin for her choice to have the baby. She had no choice. If she is as pro-life as she states, she had no choice and neither does her daughter. Everytine someone says she chose to have the baby I feel like screaming that it is not a pro-life alternative – only us pro-choice persons give you the option to make that choice and we are very happy that you chose what is best for you, your family and your faith. Just don’t impose your beliefs on me. Pro-choice does not mean abortion, it means that you make your own decision about it. Many pro-choice persons would never choose abortion, but they will defend your right to make that decision. Pro-choice does not endorse having unprotected sex.

7 09 2008
SD Surfchick

Yes, please, let’s hear more on SP’s general Education policies– for AK and for her own children.

7 09 2008
Matthew Rettenmund

Further to Kim’s catch that suddenly there is a witness (of sorts) to Palin giving birth…Haylee Davison doesn’t exist in Alaska on a Pipl.com search. Search for yourself on Pipl.com—it’s pretty thorough! And the name is unusual enough that if she existed on the Web at all, she’d pop up. She doesn’t. Does anything have LexisNexis or any other way to search for who this person is? Not to harass or contact, but just to prove she really exists and really gave birth at that hospital?

7 09 2008
Viv

Does Haylee Davison show up on the births posted by the hospital that day or next? Or is she mysteriouly missing also?

7 09 2008
jimstaro

SD Surfchick

As a former high school English teacher, I saw this happening to our young people. How thinking, reading, analyzing information, understanding argument vs propoganda have been lost to testing and right answers, obsession with media images, and the belief that whatever a person chooses to believe is truth.

As soon as the first use of ‘Standardized Testing’ on a federal level, was mentioned, the word ‘Robots’ hit the brain, and I haven’t been proven wrong, sadly more and more kids have No Idea how to ‘Critically Think’ in their own lives and as they enter the work places and society!

7 09 2008
Memphis, NY

And just ask Sarah, who was pregnant when she married Todd.

Muckraker please explain this I really want to believe all your comments but………
Supposedly she married in 88 and Track not born till 90 that would have been a very long pregnancy

7 09 2008
SD Surfchick

jimstaro:

As a teacher, I also knew that to “teach” I had to hammer on only a few things at a time, over and over again. That’s how I taught to the tests. And that’s how the Republicans get their messages out. They hammer just a few points, over and over again — Bridge to Nowhere, anti-corruption, executive experience– until listeners are (effectivey) brain-washed. On the other hand, Obama delivers compelling rhetoric. Sadly, I’m not sure that enough undecided voters can decern between strong argument and talk points drilled into their heads. That’s what Drill, baby, drill really means.

7 09 2008
phoebe in calif

Oh no, the PODS are here. Since Sarah’s arrival on the scene I can only bare to watch about 5 minutes of news a day. Those happy cheering crowds scare the bejesus out of me. When I hear what a great pick she is I’m dumfounded & then it occured to me ….it’s the PODS again. They are back with those same tired issues we hoped we had put to rest years ago…. pro choice, religion, same sex marriage etc…..these are PERSONAL CHOICES….what we would like the folks in Washington to help out with is jobs, health care, social security, ending the war etc.
McCain doesn’t have any interest in the real issues…he just wants to see his life long dream of being president come true. So he brings back the PODS to recycle the 2000 & 2004 election again.

7 09 2008
marti

Front page – headline in todays paper (Anchorage Daily News) “Nation examines Palin’s beliefs”. I am tired of seeing headlines that put her in awe. This is good, perhaps now that the convention is over – the unbiased reporting will become more mainstream, or maybe I should say covered more by our local media.

7 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Palin’s Pastor: God “Is Gonna Strike Out His Hand Against” America

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/palins-pastor-god-is-gonn_b_124417.html

I will very curious to how this is going to play into the hands of the mass media in the coming days. Obama was almosted roasted, salted and eaten alive with the rants of Rev. Wright. I would say to myself and to others if this does not make it to the widescreens, small screens and radio outlets of America in the next few days or weeks this is racism and I am never one to call that card unless its “in your face”

I believe Ms. Palin has some explaining to do. And it must be now.

And my strong stance on that is I was talking to someone here in Texas and the only reason they are not voting for Obama is because of the rants of Rev. Wright. Yeah, I know I basically said low information voter, but this does matter. My question to them would now be…are you going to vote for McCain after putting someone on the ticket who has pastor that shouts from the top of his lungs America is going to be struck by the hands of GOD???

7 09 2008
BJA

This “family first” woman blindsides her family at every turn. According to her only interview, currently in People Magazine, she didn’t tell her children they were getting a sibling until she was 7 months pregnant. And when she did, she didn’t tell them the child had tested positive for Down syndrome. Her second daughter saw her brother and identified it by look. Sarah said she hadn’t told them because she didn’t know how to start the conversation. Is that the same reason she doesn’t believe in sex education? Because she doesn’t know how to have the conversation? Great. Let’s just skip the tough stuff and go right to our photo op.

Flash forward. She’s about to put her family in the brightest, most critical light imaginable. What does she do? A family conference to make sure they’re ready for it? No, once again she made a unilateral decision by accepting the offer and telling her kids they’re going to some family event instead of the world stage. Nice. Real nice. Paging Dr. Phil. I think we have a show.

This woman is a fraud. A complete and total fraud. She exposed her pregnant teenage daughter to a level of scrutiny most of us would find unbearable and she did it without her consent. Her big time family image has been created out of whole cloth with the only evidence being the fact that she carried a Down syndrome child to term. So, a working uterus now qualifies a woman for the highest office is this country? If that’s not sexist, I don’t know what is. I guarantee you that if she had been plain-looking or even ugly she wouldn’t be on this ticket. So pretty and anti-choice is now the litmus test for female politicians. Terrific. Skip law school ladies. Get your ass in a beauty contest, buy a gun and have some babies. The UN might need a secretary general soon.

She’s a me-first unilateral decision-maker with a pretty face, a complete dearth of experience that matters, an enforcer husband and dupes for followers. I will dedicate the next two months to doing everything I can to make sure she goes back to Alaska. Sorry, muck. I have to do it. You don’t deserve her either. At least there she can only f-up a state and not the country or the world.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

SD Surfchick

As a teacher, I also knew that to “teach” I had to hammer on only a few things at a time, over and over again.

Been around a long time, have Many in the Education profession in the very big extended family, and now have the nieces and nephews entering it with not much longer till some of their kids do. Even before ‘Standardized Testing’, we as Human Animals were already misusing and loosing the gift of Common Sense, been watching that wain for years.

The present, and back for some years now, that movement has been put on a higher speed, much like a number of things, I call it the evolution backwards, as we still are evolving along with everything else, don’t know exactly if we are going backwards in evolution, but it sure looks that way!!

In just a very short few years, at least in this country, we will no longer have many abilities that were developed through thought and work, in professions that others are now developing, in short we won’t be able to manufacture and innovate products etc., that will all be lost as we older generations fade out. The Country will be Dependant on the others of this Planet, just to exist!!

7 09 2008
Jan Arnold

Finally back – had to quit last nite and get needed z’s.
Ds55 – thank you for the info on the article (regarding the “money” churches).. It is something I am interested in and I will definitely follow through and read it. It seems to be a real movement within the evangelical churches and it is just one more thing that blows my mind.
Cspan this morning was depressing – so many calling in to support McCain’s “putting that fine little woman” on the ticket, as one caller called her. I guess the most ind boggling aspect for me is that we have a vp nominee who is being kept unilaterally from the press and they are getting away with it…. How can that be? Already the press is afraid….very afraid……too afraid to kick up a fuss……shades of Bush all over again! AUGHHhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

7 09 2008
jimstaro

Evangelical’s

One thing to watch, the younger generations, as to how this Palin selection? or just grab will play out.

Many, as it’s slowly being reported but can be seen when viewed, are turning away from the crap that the so called evangelical preachers have been preaching, their parents views as well. The Human, but thought of as liberal, reactions of these kids have been the recognizing that they need to be involved themselves on a whole host of issues their parents shunned, because it would show a liberal? side of them.

I don’t think Palin is going to go over very well to these younger voters, especially as to what’s suspected or seen as to her actions as a Mother and how she seemingly puts profession or vanity front and center above family, even a guy would have a hardsell me thinks!

7 09 2008
bwilder

Anne (03:00:04) :

You get to the heart of what’s concerns me about Palin. I’m not concerned about Bristol and her choices — but the fact that she HAS a choice matters.

Do you really think Bristol had a choice. My guess is she propably wanted to
keep her pregnancy- but what if she has said “No Mom, I’m to young and not ready for this and I don’t want to get married right now.”
Does anyone really believe that Sarah Palin would have allowed her to have an abortion? No way!

7 09 2008
Cassie
7 09 2008
ds55

Good morphed image of John McCain + G. W. Bush:
McBush

7 09 2008
Laurie

Welcome aboard BJM….perfectly worded. Thank heaven for people like you. Perhaps there is hope.

7 09 2008
ocliberal

bja: Well said! Can you imagine accepting a VP nomination and not sitting down with your WHOLE family (grandparents, sister, brothers, kids etc) and explaining to them EXACTLY what that means and making sure everyone understood what it meant and if everyone was on board?

The way she deceive her own family is just mind-boggling to me. This is a woman who thrives on deceptions and if she does it to her FAMILY and KIDS what would she do to the country?

She is a woman driven by personal ambition and no one stands in her way, no one.

I just wish I could one touch of humanity in her. I’m still looking. Usually you see it in how people interact with their children. She treats her children like unpaid extras in the Life Channel movie of the week “The Sarah Palin Story – “It’s all about me!”.

7 09 2008
NY Dem

Flipping around the Sunday morning political shows, and couldn’t believe my ears when one Republican pundit was asked about the upcoming debate. He said that SP doesn’t have to win the debate, she doesn’t even have to tie with Joe Biden, because he is obviously more experienced. All she has to do is approach breaking even in the debate, and she will be considered a winner !

What color is the sky in these people’s world ? They’re already making excuses for when Biden trounces her in the VP debate. Unbelievable.

7 09 2008
mikkelina

Have you seen this?
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/must-see-tv-gop-consultants-on.html
Just had it sent to me by a friend, so I am not sure how “big” it is…

7 09 2008
OldMayfly

Preventing pregnancy is NOT the point of Abstinence Only “sex ed.”

The purpose of Abstinence Only is to ensure that sexual activity will result in serious consequences.

The religious right is not against pregnancy–they are for it, especially when it is seen as “punishment” for being sexual active.

7 09 2008
BigSkyGirl

If Palin’s executive experience is so superior to Obama’s experience, isn’t it also superior to MCCAIN’s executive experience? Why is it NEVER mentioned that McCain has no executive experience either?

7 09 2008
Marzapan

Kim,

Amazing find on the MSNBC/Mat-Su hospital discrepancy! I wonder if they will come back and say that not everyone chooses to have their birth listed on the website.

7 09 2008
Southpaw

I have three children, the youngest about Piper’s age, and I went from part-time to full-time work last year (it was either that or probably losing the job). Adding the extra hours has probably aged me five years in the space of one. My housekeeping has fallen behind and I have little time for myself, especially since my husband works nights.

I don’t have any disabilities and am in good health, but I will tell you this schedule is grueling. I consider myself liberal and a feminist, but I would gladly take a reduction in hours in order to get a bit of order back in my life.

Anyway, I look at my situation and at Sarah Palin’s and I can’t understand how in the world she can even consider becoming vice president. Obviously, about everything else in her life will be farmed out to others. I don’t fault her for farming out the housekeeping and cooking, but not having the time to spend with her kids?

The people like Sarah who live around me homeschool their children. They probably think I’m horrible for working full-time. So why do they support Palin as vice president?

Isn’t this a disconnect?

7 09 2008
ocliberal

nydem: Unfortunately that is probably true. Those who ‘love’ Sarah Palin could care less what her views on foreign policy is. They love her because she is ‘just like them!’. Her debate will draw the largest ratings because everyone will turn in to watch how she does. If she shows up, doesn’t have lipstick on her teeth and turns out a few carefully scripted snarks no one will care that she thinks Georgia is just a city in the ‘lower 48’. And no one will care because most of them don’t have a clue where Georgia either. Heck I bet 1/2 of them couldn’t find Atlanta, GA on a map!

The debates aren’t going to change anyone’s mind. The only thing that is going to work in Nov is if ALL Democrats get out and vote! All of us! The time for apathy is over! Too much is at stake. Everyone! Young people are the worst about voting. Tell any young people you know to sign up as a absentee voter so they don’t skip election day because they overslept or had to stay up late studying for a final.

We don’t like SP but she is very, very good at what she does. She is like Teflon. Nothing appears to stick to her and she is a formidable weapon for the repugs if they use her correctly. The majority of this country is a ‘rock star’ culture. We read People magazine and listen to soundbites.

Attacking Sarah Palin won’t win this election. Getting democracts to vote will! There are more of us!

7 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Look at what this latest nut said!

Inhofe Questions Whether Obama “Really Loves His Country”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/07/inhofe-questions-whether_n_124588.html

7 09 2008
ds55

Southpaw: Yes, I’ve wondered the same thing myself. Palin must be running on fumes at this point. She is in way over her head and must hit a wall soon. What will she do then? I doubt she will admit she can’t handle it, not even to herself. I see a meltdown involving drugs/alcohol and explosive rage. Watch for it.

7 09 2008
John Nail

Lila – I think the bbal pic is Willow as are these 2:

Keep following it all here:
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/

7 09 2008
J T

BJA – “So pretty and anti-choice is now the litmus test for female politicians. Terrific. Skip law school ladies. Get your ass in a beauty contest”

So true. I actually think if Palin becomes VP will be a setback for women. Especially if she (God forbid) gets to Pres. Because if the first woman pres is someone like her, the worst example of a parent or govt leader – well, it will make us look like idiots.

7 09 2008
NY Dem

Palin Avoids Free Media (from electoral-vote.com)

Most candidates love getting free television time, especially long interviews where they can make their points at length and have the voters get to know them better. The Sunday talk shows are a favorite. Today John McCain will get a full half hour on CBS’ Face the Nation, Barack Obama goes on ABC’s This Week, and Joe Biden takes the hot seat at NBC’s Meet the Press. Sarah Palin is avoiding free media when every network would love to have her. All it would take is one phone call to CNN, for example, and she’d be on there for half an hour, for free. This behavior gives the impressesion that the McCain campaign is afraid to have her interviewed in depth by experienced reporters for fear of what she might say.

The problem is not gaffes–Biden makes them from time to time, but will still be grilled. The real problem is she might say something intentionally that she really and truly believes (like victims of rape should be forced to bear their rapist’s child) and this will shock the viewers. It will be interesting to see how long Palin can avoid giving interviews and whether the media starts to point out this behavior.

7 09 2008
tammy
7 09 2008
ReaderInMD

Those wanting to get a somewhat “behind the scenes” look at the McCain camp should keep an eye on daughter Megan McCain’s blog: http://www.mccainblogette.com/

Lot’s of Palin family photos here: http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/083008_0928.shtml

7 09 2008
SD Surfchick

To sound like a broken record: if given a choice, Bristol Palin, may not have had enough information to make one, as a child of a family that puts its values in What the Preacher Tells You is True.

If a child is taught in school how to think, then when they are confronted with a Preacher telling them how to vote, they at least have a 50/50 chance in making an informed decision.

My boyfriend’s family are all fundamentalist Christians who go to mega-churches. Yes, indeed, their preachers, from the pulpit, tell them how to vote. And yes, their children are homeschooled.

And yes, they LOVE pregnancies of any kind, because it’s another body for their Armies of Misdirected and Misinterpreted Christianity.

If the schools do not educate citizens to think, then they are doomed to be governed by their peers.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

ds55:

You’re on my wave.

Reason they won’t put her out to the Press, one on one!

Remember folks, Last Week, Obama and Biden went on 60min right out of the Convention, the offer was made to McCain/Palin by CBS, you won’t see them this Sunday nor any Sunday on that show!!

7 09 2008
UK lady

Am I the only one wondering what the reality of Levi Johnsons life is right now. Is he smart enough to have realised that he no longer owns his own life. Can he make a phone call that isn’t monitored (land or Cell), can he e-mail or text freely, are his messages returned immediately or is there a time lapse. The GOP handlers must be very nervous, a loose canon if ever there was one!

7 09 2008
J T

ocliberal said “They love her because she is ‘just like them!’.”

You know, I don’t get that. I certainly want someone more experienced than ME to make such world important decisions. I want somone better educated, more informed.

And I know it is NOT her. Scary thing, I think I am better qualified than her. And I am NOT qualified to be VP, and definately not Pres.

Is everyone so carried away with the American dream “Anyone can be the president”

Let us not forget “Not everyone should be president.”

7 09 2008
John Nail

ALL – does anyone have any pictures taken of the birthing center and hospital rooms at Mat Su Hospital?

I think the pictures at the bottom of this post are taken in some sort of hospital/facility but Mat Su’s birthing center pics mysteriously disappeared last weekend.

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3482

Zoom in on the backgrounds, cabinets etc….these were the pics on lev’i’s sisters website

7 09 2008
NY Dem

Good article:

Palin’s Resignation – A Win for GOP… And Palin?

(Predictions are) that once Sarah Palin returns to Alaska we will never see her again on the campaign trail. This 2 week hiatus we are hearing is lunacy in a 60 day campaign. The high water mark of her impact has been reached. As her lies, exagerrations and incompetence will become more obvious and her celebrity will only decrease as the lies come out – ebay and the jet alone is silly.

The scandals she has are real, esp, Babygate (This is going to be ugly) and I suspect that once the McCain vetting lawyers get all the facts on so many issues from Babygate, the alleged affair, Troopergate and her just sheer inexperience. Worst case none of these are enough BUT the drip is deafenng and could blow up anytime as the MSM is in AK looking and the Enquirer.

My guess is that now that the media is up there and the vetters they all know what is going on and are rushing to get facts or quiet them. A town of 7000 is small and Palin has pissed alot or folks off and $$ talks and the Enquirer has it.

Now, one might say that this would be a disaster but I think it could end up being a huge positive, while bailing out McCain on his piss poor vetting process and decision making.

How you ask?

After Track goes off to Iraq Palin will say that she has been home dealing with Trig, the baby and the departure of Track she will say that she has reached a difficult decision – Family before Country – right now. All has happened too fast, too much and I need to step back right now to serve my first duties…blah, blah. America’s first Mom!!!

The big issue will be damage control and if they can keep the truth of Babygate private. That is ONLY possible as a non VP. The affair won’t matter and Troopergate is only relevant if it hurts the ticket. Locally that is a hit not a ship sinker.

If she can pull this off and McCain can name another VP they will lose some momentun but niot much and she will be a heroine…and can do a little campaigning and fundraising….

If all the sh*t hits the fan they are all toast so I think Steve Schmidt and his idiotic team will try and manage the damage and let her leave on her own and America will love her and in 2012 or 2016 she can be ready to really make a serious run….

7 09 2008
White Agate

jimstaro:

We (my husband and I) are very concerned about the ‘unskilling’ and ‘dumbing down,’ of society, particularly during these past 8 years of ‘No Child Left Behind.’ Also the ‘Last Child in the Woods’ issue. Our public schools are suffering and it seems like all anyone can do these days is text and play video games. We work against this at all times in our household. The public schools and all students have been gutted as the voucher system and privatization take away money and energy from public education, even as forclosure, recession and war make them the only affordable schools for most. Have you read Garrison Keillor’s discussion about his education in ‘Homegrown Democrat?’ Those days were only a couple of generations ago, when you could get a land-grant university education all on your own, with no loans.

We cannot lose track of basic skills and innovation here in the US. Some aspects of globalization are good, but we have to be more self-sufficient as a nation and not expect that everything will come from China or India.

Off to think critically and do some community organizing, that is, call lists from Obama/Biden. Have a good Sunday, everyone.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

Let us not forget “Not everyone should be president.”

Well to the lower level mentalities, you see them on this technology in the message boards as well as elsewhere, we as a country put that thought to rest by allowing the last two elections to be stolen!!

Democracy Stopped in the first, and we allowed the Election process be miss used in both, injecting an idiot and a puppet as the face of this country!!

Now anything goes!!!

7 09 2008
Chicago

AKMuckraker, A few questions:

1. Are you positive as to the i.d. of Bristol in the Tivo image. She barely looks 16.

2. Can you post the date when the video was taken–last week, last year?

3. Is she still in h.s. and/or did she graduate?

4. Is it common for Alaska families to transfer their kids to different schools as there are such long distances between communities? What do local think?

5. Who’s to say the kids didn’t use birth control that failed?

A special request:
Is there a possibility of posting a SP fact Sheet (easily found on a search engine) that has original source footnotes?

Reason: Dining at a restaurant with my 70+ year old parents yesterday, my father asked my thoughts about SP. I said my bit, and, the woman at the next table (50 something) spoke out and said ‘it’s not true–it’s media made up; not fact!’ I told her to look up the Alaska newspapers and find for herself (I mentioned the Wasilla earmarks).

It would also do us will to stick with facts and avoid the sensational–The National Enquirer will take care of that.

Thanks for blog as Muck Never Sleeps!

7 09 2008
jean beverly

The supporters of the McCain/Bush/Palin stand on this issue are the same people who don’t want to pay additional taxes to support the unwanted babies who aren’t adopted — to feed, educate, provide health care and any needed psychological counseling. To put real meaning behind their words, these people could start a national registry to which each person advocating a law banning abortion could sign his/her name. The next in line on the list would agree to take the next baby born to a woman who felt she could not rear the baby. As it is now, many people who apply for adoption have specific requirements as to the baby’s pedigree. On the registry that should not be a factor. Problem solved!

7 09 2008
bwilder

Joe Biden is on Meet the Press on NBC talking with Brokaw.

7 09 2008
plwalsh

I think the inevitable result of Palin’s refusal to appear in the media is that eventually people will lose interest in her. Her kind of celebrity is fueled by an endless stream of sensational news and cliff-hanging suspense. Most of the scandals are probably already in the MSM. If all Palin does is give the same campaign speech over and over again, the public is going to get very bored with her, probably even before the debates peak interest again.

I think she has probably already jumped the shark. Other than the tabloid stuff, there just doesn’t seem to be a whole lot there. Does anyone still care about Brittany Spears?

7 09 2008
ds55

John Nail: The photo of Sarah labeled “mom-in-law” does not look like a mom who just gave birth. Jeans, hoodie, standing over the baby, bent at the waist. It suggests the real birth mother is lying in bed off-camera.

7 09 2008
bwilder

Southpaw:
“The people like Sarah who live around me home school their children. They probably think I’m horrible for working full-time. So why do they support Palin as vice president?”

Ironic isn’t it? Hypocrisy within the Christian right is mind-boggling to say the least. It all comes down to the so called “Pro-Life” issue for them when they hit the voting booth. Their agenda is laser-focused on this and anyone that doesn’t think so is kidding themselves. They are not Pro-Life they are Anti-Choice. If they were truly Pro-Life they would be focused on the millions of children in this country that go to bed hungry. Or the unwed/single mother’s who have no health care for themselves or their children.
Instead they beat their religious drum loudly. They tow the misogynistic line of their male leadership and find Bible quotes that they claim are the
“word of God” when in reality the words were ALL written AFTER the time of Christ by MEN who ALL had POLITICAL agendas of their own. They were fighting to grow their own ‘churches’ and wrote their pieces of the Bible to influence their followers.
Don’t get me wrong- the Bible is a wonderful book of historical worth and it does contain words of wisdom and words that still have impact for many of us over 2000 years later. But by and large much of it was in fact, written by MEN with political agendas.

The ‘bibles’ of almost every recognized religion in the world all say the same thing- also know as the Golden Rule “Do unto others as you would have done unto you.”

Your neighbors are towing the line of their religious leaders. They are the sheep, the leaders the shepherds. For them it’s do as I say, not as I do. Judging Sarah Palin for her obvious and glaring lack of putting family first as they preach, takes a back-seat when they see that they are perhaps closer to the opportunity of reversing Roe vs. Wade. It all goes back to their own political agenda. Period. Hypocrisy abounds.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

White Agate:

Remember Y2K?

I was one who was actually hoping they were right and everything would collapse, it would have been extremely funny, and an Eye Opener, watching people trying to fend for themselves, Across The Board!

Most wouldn’t have had a Clue how to do things to actually Survive!!!

I work Construction, have for over 40years, from 4yrs. active duty, Carpenter by trade but a jack of all the trades in the business, not seen that much anymore as the younger just do one or two. Younger folks aren’t getting into the trades, they aren’t looked as to being a profession, no piece of paper, already the work is being done, by intelligent hardworking, immigrants at a cheaper wage level, much cheaper. That’s happening across the scope of the economic engine we once controlled. Just look at the Machinist trade and many others, even in technologies, space etc., the old minds that fixed the mistakes aren’t around, the younger ones are repeating the mistakes, and the beat goes on, DownHill!!

7 09 2008
fawnskin

i’m just putting this on the most active thread:

http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Home&action=Test&choice=Long

let’s see where everyone stands.

7 09 2008
Marzapan

I’m directing my disgust towards trying to oust so-called “moderate” republican Chris Shays of CT from congress. Here he is smarmily mooning over Palin:

But way more important is his ongoing, unquestioning support for Bush and the disaster that is Iraq.

His opponent is a guy named Jim Himes, who is hammering Shays on the war.

http://www.himesforcongress.com

He went to Harvard and is a Rhodes Scholar… what an elitist! :}

Like so many people, we’re strapped for cash, but I’m sending Himes the online equivalent of all the change from the bottom of my purse. I live in CA.

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Randomness,

Is this real? Bristol’s real baby daddy?

7 09 2008
jimstaro

Does anyone still care about Brittany Spears?

I’ve seen her name popup on the online frontpages a few times recently, and have had the thought that her publicist, as well as the likes of hilton and others, are probably going bat shit crazy trying to get even a little of the air that Palin has sucked out.

7 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Let’s Get Real,

I think we have to really have some proof of this. But, boy would this be a bomb drop.

7 09 2008
White Agate

Yes, I have to agree. It’s also all about defunding the unions and getting rid of organized labor, slash and burn capitalism. Unions have their own problems, but we have more without them.

Green jobs will need these skills as we retool for a new economy. But that’s not on the political agenda with the neocons, so that’s why it isn’t happening on the scale we need it to. But if oil becomes more expensive, we will have to develop these skills on our own soil.

I’d be in trouble without my plumber and my electrician, and I appplaud their skills. Have a few of my own, too, work with plants.

7 09 2008
acerunner

Very well thought out and pointed observations — the difference between public policy and personal beliefs is the results they create. It would be wise for us all to consider the very real difference between the two. Great blog and great post. Thanks.

7 09 2008
Tom Heuerman

John McCain: No Change Agent

John McCain’s message in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention:

I was transformed when I was a prisoner of war. Now, 40 years later, my party has failed in its stewardship of America. We didn’t change Washington; we were changed by Washington. We became corrupt, out of touch, and incompetent. I am again transformed. After being part of the problem for the past 25 years, I am now a change agent and will rise above party and change Washington. Trust me.

What’s wrong with this message?

McCain acknowledged in his acceptance speech that America is a nation in decline.

This decline takes place in a larger context of global warming and other daunting environmental challenges that call us to change how we think and live on this planet.

Barack Obama says repeatedly that we face “the fierce urgency of now.” We need massive change—now. How does renewal happen?

In decline, change grows increasingly difficult as the decline deepens and downward momentum accelerates. Leaders, heroes in more successful times, lose credibility in failure (George Bush), energy is low, apathy and lowered motivation prevail (congressional gridlock and public cynicism), and resources may be exhausted (a national debt of $8.9 trillion in 2007). It takes great leadership and effort to lift a nation from decline and most fail and civilizations die or fade to a mere shadow of their more glorious days.

Today America’s future is unclear—at home and abroad. Old paradigms and new ideas collide; we are in a place of confusion, uncertainty, fear and anxiety; a place of no rules; and a place of conflict between the status quo (McCain) and the new, emerging vision for the future (Obama). We feel overwhelmed, frustrated, and we seek a quick-fix solutions–drill for more oil, Sarah Palin for vice president and gas tax holidays. We should be saying: invent, invent, invent. That would be real change.

Energy and commitment will be needed to renew our nation. Experience in the old ways is not helpful—often it is detrimental. What is needed is a leader with the vision and courage to step into the unknown and learn as he proceeds—just like Lewis and Clark and explorers throughout time have done.

The leader needed to guide a nation through such renewal will be an optimistic and hopeful visionary with a clear strategy for transformation, a reflective leader who engages the nation, adapts to new information and circumstances, and who involves and inspires citizens. Barack Obama is that leader.

The key insight to understand: McCain is a rebel—rebels react against something—they solve problems generally with the flip-side of “either/or.” Soon the solutions are new problems—the flip-side of the one fixed.

Good and great leaders share one characteristic: the continually evolve a vision to make life better. Obama is a leader–a person who leads towards a vision of a new future—a new creation that makes the best of the “either” AND the “or.” Creativity is the answer to today’s issues, not problem-solving.

John McCain’s effort to transform himself is disingenuous and too late. He is part of the problem and has lost credibility along with his president and party. His one chance to convince Americans that he is capable of changing the system he is a part of was to offer a compelling vision for America in his acceptance speech and show us that he can see beyond small fixes to the status-quo. He failed to do that.

Instead he focused on the past and offered a list of recycled Republican ideas. He offers reform which is the equivalent of putting a new façade on an old building—it looks and sounds good but underneath the wiring and plumbing are outdated.

John McCain would lead this nation deeper into decline.

Tom Heuerman, Ph.D.

http://www.amorenaturalway.com
http://www.viewfromfargo.blogspot.com

7 09 2008
dc10

Please see these photos found by SoCalDem. They were apparently pulled from the Alaska Governor’s photo archive before being “scrubbed” last weekend. The family picture (Bristol in red coat) is of particular interest:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3912640&mesg_id=3929525

Also this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3912640&mesg_id=3930234

7 09 2008
PJ

Big article in Newsweek about Sister Sarah.

One tidbit: Track was born eight months after Sarah and Todd married.

7 09 2008
joannemarie

Wow. Sometimes, an American can only do one thing with all this information. Write a song.

7 09 2008
LaughingAt...

Has anybody heard from Hagel, Lugar, Snowe, Collins, or any of the other “moderates” in the republican party? these folks have spent years cultivating their relationships in congress on both sided of the aisle, even the more partisan ones. i wonder how sp’s speech went over. she spent a lot of time throwing barbs and posturing politically, but unlike the rest of them, she has no friends and allies in congress because they have never even met her.
i cannot believe that politicians more versed in the art do not cringe when she accuses and belittles politically, while having no record (in fact, hers seems quite the opposite) to take back to work that reflects an ability to work with others. Now, these folks have to get re-elected. So they certainly forgive each others rhetoric, because they know its just that. If she is as uncompromising as she seems, the moderates will be swept out wherever there is a 51% centrist or pro-choice constituency. Ask Lincoln Chafee about that one.

7 09 2008
bwilder

This whole “Who is Trig’s real momma?” thing is completely distracting from the issues that can actually be fought and won over the next 60 days.

I think we’re wasting precious time and a lot of energy on something that isn’t going to go anywhere. Sarah Palin is never, ever, ever going to take a paternity or DNA test relative to Trig for the sake of the voters. It’s ridiculous to think so and just will not happen.

Tearing her apart on the issues of CHOICE and sex-education, Heath Care availability and affordability for all Americans, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, unemployment which is off the charts, home forecloses that are living families homeless.

These are the issues we should consider shouting about and shouting loudly.

Staying on the Trig topic is wasting time and allowing the right-wing to whine about the media and the ‘liberals’ in general. It’s giving them an EXCUSE to not put their VP candidate in front of the press for questions.
We need to be screaming about the real issues that real people are facing every single day.

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7 09 2008
jimstaro

joannemarie:

Thanks!!;c]

Didn’t know folks even still knew about accordions!! ;o}

7 09 2008
DemsAreNotAfraid

I think the wait for an interview with SP may be over – on “Face the Nation” this morning, John McCain told Bob Schieffer he could have the first interview with her, and then Schieffer said it would be next week.

I’m sure some emergency will ensue so that she can’t appear then.

Schieffer also mentioned the fact that the Republicans “giggled” when Palin and Guiliani made fun of community organizers, so McCain to admit after much waffling that he thinks being a “community organizer” is good thing. *lol*

My husband didn’t think this would be a good interview because Schieffer/McCain are buddies and McCain has been on Face the Nation more than anyone else, but I thought it was pretty good. McCain’s substance was lacking and he kept going back to his speech script.

7 09 2008
Rabbler

phoebe in calif: wrote:
“…it’s the PODS again. They are back with those same tired issues we hoped we had put to rest years ago…pro choice, religion, same sex marriage etc…these are PERSONAL CHOICES…”

Oh no, it’s the season. The return of the low-info pod gatherings. They get excited and their cheap symbols burst like a pollen of shallow stupid.

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Cynthia, I got this from an earlier post this morning. You can chat with this gentleman on myspace. I don’t have a myspace page, so I can’t chat with him. I hope nothing happens to this young gentleman, if he is in fact the father of the child Bristol is carrying.

7 09 2008
Mac

Republicans like Palin don’t really want to ban abortion. They know that almost all abortions are of black and Hispanic babies in the inner city.

Abortion is good for the Republican party.

7 09 2008
BobbyG

Good Morning Alaska!!!

So, Obama, Biden, and McSame are all out there doing Sunday Talking Heads TV, but the Pitbull With Lipstick, ostensibly otherwise Day One Ready and able to ram a fur-lined spike heel go-go boot tip up Putin’s ass, is under wraps.

Sign the “Free Sarah Palin” petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/B9AE83R/petition.html

7 09 2008
LaughingAt...

mac- maybe that is what will fill the army 18 years later… with no jobs or programs in the cities, no college tuition programs, and bad secondary education, no green revolution creating new economy jobs.

7 09 2008
fawnskin

ok, i finally looked at the pic of bristol above and am confused.
i thought she had been transferred to an anchorage school. but she is wearing a juneau shirt.
i, like other posters, wonder when/where that photo was taken.

7 09 2008
MBB

Re: the talking to your teen about sex vs the government doing it. I talk to my kids. My 16-yr-old daughter just started dating her first boyfriend, who lives several hours away. This means for them to get together is very complicated. We talked about the issues, particularly that things can happen very quickly. Her response was, “I’ve had enough health classes (read:sex ed) in school over the years” to not want to get into a sexual relationship at my age. So, I do my job as a parent, but what she gets at school (i.e. the government) is also a valuable piece of the total education. It is a village, and I’m grateful that my children have so many resources available to them.

BTW, I have also fostered a young, gay kid who attended an alternative school that chose (unwisely) to put its health ed resources elsewhere. We’ve had some very straightforward talks about sexual issues, and it’s clear that kids need to get sex ed at school, especially when they have parents (in his case, grandparents) who don’t talk about sex ed.

7 09 2008
Laurie

So…I am watching rounds of news shows this morning. Biden, I think did very good, and actually kind of had brokaw on the run.

Now I am watching Chris Matthews. OMG…the crew he has on there, well Andrea Mitchell anyhow are just gushing. I just want someone to take the bull by the horns. For heaven sake…they are saying when Palin debates Biden she doesnt have to answer as to HOW they are going to fix the problems. Palin is being surrounded by veteran Bush reporters.

7 09 2008
pamela

This morning, Senator McCain on Face the Nation indicated SP will face the media soon and he recommends she go on Face the Nation. Should be just her speed, since unfortunately, Bob Schieffer has basically given her a pass on her qualifications for VP.

I’d like to add my appreciation for this blog – and the links to the Daily Show, TPM, etc – some of the few voices of sanity.

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Does anyone have the interview of Obama this morning? I missed it.

7 09 2008
makeitgoaway

Just saw Biden on Meet the Press. Not all softballs from Brokaw and Joe handled them all with ease and confidence. I was delighted that he made sure on several occasions to point out that neither McCain or Palin touched on the key issues in this election of the economy, energy, etc. One of the initial questions in the iview was about foreign policy and then some lengthy discussion on the Freddiemac/fanniemae stuff. With each point, I kept asking myself how SP would have fared with these questions….she wouldn’t. Any reporter worth their salt will relish slinging those questions (and even easier ones) and watching her dance around the answers. I’ll be surprised if the handlers let her appear on Meet the Press, et al.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

Mac

They know that almost all abortions are of black and Hispanic babies in the inner city.

Better look again there mac, most are for White Upper and Middle Class White Women, and Many are also taken by GOP Faithful who oppose!! You can go anywhere in the country and find that as fact, even getting them than a few weeks later being in the protest groups at the clinics!!

7 09 2008
paul canning

The only poll that counts
http://paulcanning.blogspot.com/2008/09/only-poll-that-counts.html

Obama 301 McCain 224 Ties 13

7 09 2008
Corie

The Palin Babygate is spawning a lot of spoof websites and videos on YouTube; please take these with a grain of salt before spreading them around. Let the National Enquirer pursue these lines of investigation; there are plenty of other legitimate scandals left for the rest of us.

7 09 2008
Ana Gama

paul canning!

Thanks for that post! I’ve been saying this over and over. The national daily trackers like Rasmussen and Gallup are basically meaningless at this point. The polls to watch are the state electoral college. The election will be won in the states, not in the nation.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com
http://www.electoral-vote.com

7 09 2008
tammy

Right jimstaro. Here are just a few stats on that:

http://www.all.org/article.php?id=10123

As you can see more whites are getting abortions than any other race.

7 09 2008
Reality Check

RE: Video of African American male claiming to be father of Bristol’s baby. This CANNOT be real. If this guy were authentic, why wouldn’t he simply wait until the baby is born and then request, through proper channels, a paternity test.

Taking this to YouTube makes me think this is a trap being set up by the republican party and McCain/Palin supporters.

7 09 2008
BobbyG

paul canning (07:55:03):
The only poll that counts
__________

While that looks impressive and encouraging. it assumes a lot of winner-take-all state level Obama wins. He’s gonna have to win by wide margins in most of the electorally important battleground states, because of this:

7 09 2008
dc10

Here’s why the Trig story matters, is not just a prurient tangent, and could be explosive:

1.) Biden has stated that he is releasing his medical records soon. That means 3 of 4 of the presidential and vice-presidential candidates will have provided this important information. If Palin is for real, she will HAVE to release her records. She will be under enormous pressure to do so. If she is Trig’s mother, all the high-risk pregnancy doctor visits, as well as the record of the birth, will be released, and this “rumor” will be laid to rest. A DNA or paternity test is not necessary.

2.) If she is lying, will she be able to forge those records? I don’t think so. A doctor can lose his/her license for lying and vouching for something that never happened.

2.) If it turns out that she did lie and it comes to light, her political career –both nationally and in the state of Alaska–should be destroyed. She will have been shown to have LIED to the electorate. Some people will leap to her rescue, saying she was only trying to protect her daughter, but the fraud she perpetrated cannot go without consequence.

3.) “Babygate” is only part of the whole package of exposing who Sarah Palin really is–a liar (we already know that from the lies she told about Obama in her speech at the RNC), a religious extremist, and a pork-barrel politician.

7 09 2008
makeitgoaway

Corie,

I completely agree. the NE is no doubt hot on the trail and if there really IS a babygate or a lovergate they’ll find it. I, for one, will not be surprised if they do. But the issues about SP’s suitability to be the heartbeat away is what the rest of us can ferret out and should be concentrating on.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

tammy

Always been that way, even when Illegal, of which when very young, we got the news about quite abit, and than there were only 3 TV networks, no cable and two local papers, also no Talk Radio, still was Rock on AM!!

It’s also the same fact for Welfare, and some of those whities rail against it while using the system, that’s also been the norm!!

7 09 2008
fixthebroken

dc10, well if the doctor was paid enough money where he wouldn’t care about losing his license, then…..

7 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

In viewing the elctoral-vote.com website, it looks like there is a chance for Texas to go Blue, I thought it was out of reach.

7 09 2008
tammy

Jimstaro correct!!! But the media tends to think only non whites use the welfare system.

7 09 2008
June63

Bleak politics

Parade the kids
Feed gossip mill
Distract nation from Sarah Palin’s
Abuse of power
Censorship
Total lack of credibility

Risk democracy by positioning her
Just a heartbeat from the Presidency.

Bleak, sorry tactics.
To think McCain got on this bus…….

7 09 2008
jimstaro

Palin read Today, eyeopener:

Sarah Palin had turbulent first year as mayor of Alaska town

They got the boxes of the records!!

7 09 2008
tammy

Fixthebroken that is why I brought up the digital form of medical records. If they are in digital forms, there will be multiple copies of it. You will have the paper form, the computer form, the backups on servers. Real hard to doctor it if that is the way it is done in Alaska.

7 09 2008
jimstaro

But the media tends to think only non whites use the welfare system.

Not the Real Media, and the same whites I mentioned above spread that crap, Same For Drug Use, and Dealing, especially as to the Control of the Dealing, Suits after Wealth!

7 09 2008
tammy

There was an article in the star tribune a few years ago on drug use in high schools. I think people were thinking you would find more drug use in the inner city high schools than in the outer suburbs. The study showed the exact opposite. There was more drug use in the outer suburbs than in the inner city high schools.

7 09 2008
Karen

I also watched the morning shows. Bob Schieffer let McCain slide right through – no tough questions and certainly no follow up.
I thought Biden was very good. I almost wanted to cry thinking about Biden compared to Palin. How do you think John McCain can live with himself for doing such a thing? How can people be so ignorant as to fall for this pander? How can the pundits actually pretend it is a legitimate choice?
Obama was also very good but felt George S. asked some ridiculous questions. I watched the first part of the Obama O’Reilly interview last week and thought it went extremely well. Obama didn’t let O’Reilly get away with anything and gave as good as he got. I would think there is a chance to influence some of his viewers (maybe?).

7 09 2008
makeitgoaway

Wow, jimstaro…there’s a goldmine of info in that seattle times article! The more these articles come out the braver some of those Wasilla citizens just might be to talk a little more.

7 09 2008
GiGi

Karen..going on O’Reilly could be a a big mistake..
Bill can take his words and spin them anyway he wants over the next 6o days.

George S. is one of the worst interviewers i have ever seen..
I miss Tim Russert…

7 09 2008
tammy

After reading that article it sounds like she thinks she is the chosen one.

7 09 2008
S Fla Voter

Greetings from South Florida!

The kids should definitely be off-limits. What is not off-limits is Palin’s abortion/Roe v. Wade issues. In this instance, they just happen to cross over.

I would like to see the Dems pushing the statistics on what the lives of unwed teen mothers become. First, if they chose to marry, they have a far greater chance of divorce within the first 5 years, as well as having more kids. Second, they have a far greater chance of being abused in those marriages.

But whether they marry or not (many do not), they become a burden on the welfare system. Something the Republicans rail against constantly, but yet they continually support measures that drive these young women straight into poverty. The last time I looked, I believe in 2006, the majority of welfare recipients are below the age of 35 and are white women with no husband/father in the home.

Add to that, these women have little to no opportunities to further their education or acquire a skill set, to become financially independent enough to care for their kids on their own. Clinton’s welfare reform was brilliant. It weaned welfare moms off the system and gave them a career. For whatever reason, it has not been continued by the Bush Admin.

Teen pregnancy, putting aside all the moral aspects, is simply bad policy for us all and we should do whatever it takes, education in schools (which btw is done as an “opt-in or opt-out” program), and access to safe abortion and adoption options, to give young women a chance at making better family decisions.

I’d also like to see more focus on adoption of our own orphans (better laws and financially feasible), as opposed to forcing people to go abroad to adopt.

Love your blog, btw🙂

7 09 2008
Karen

That is true about O’Reilly. Even though he actually showed a respect for Omaba’s toughness while on the show, you never know what he might do later.
Was just listening to Barbara Boxer on Wolff Blitzer and she was presenting a very good case against Palin.

7 09 2008
Tretando

COOL !!!

7 09 2008
yellowbirdreview

This is beautifully written.
Bravo!

7 09 2008
ocliberal

gigi: I think Obama going on O’Reilly was a good move. How many O’Reilly viewers have really ever watched Obama speak? Their opinions and impressions of Obama are probably completely formed by the misinformation and biased reporting they are force-fed daily by Fauxnews.

Obama is a very impressive young man. Anyone with even an ounce of intelligence can see that he is articulate, intelligent and thoughtful and can give intelligent answers without reading off a teleprompter.

Do you think Sarah Palin or John McCain would let Rachel Maddow interview them?

I was telling someone the other day. Call me naive, but I am a sucker for an intelligent, informed person with integrity. I’ve never been prouder to be a Democrat!

The more people who can see Barak Obama, the better and I read O’Reilly had one of his highest rating ever with the obama interview.

7 09 2008
7 09 2008
Proud2BUSA

Good morning, MK – you are my voice of reason during this campaign. Thank you!

As for Palin’s family being “on” or “off-limits” – SHE PUT THEM FRONT AND CENTER THE FIRST TIME MANY OF US MET HER. She held up her newborn just like Michael Jackson did in Germany several years ago, and he was LAMBASTED by the press. Remember that? She is the one who took the time to talk about being a “…mom just like me….” – so. She opened the door. We’re just walking through it. From every other mom I’m talking to, NONE OF US BELIEVE SHE REPRESENTS US when it comes to motherhood – ( and to paraphrase Rudy: Nothing. NADA.) as I still can’t find a mom (and most of us are career moms) who would have gone back to work 3 days after a special needs babe was born, NOR would we thrust our knocked up daughter into the public spotlight.

7 09 2008
Karen

I’m getting sick to my stomach reading some posts on Politico. This country is in a sad, sad state and I really fear for the future when I read these things:

What a breath of fresh air this amazing couple is…I loved watching the Sarah Palin biography on Fox tonight…you want to see more of sexy Todd, watch Sarah’s Bio again on Sunday Night at 8:00 eastern time…you will be glad you did! Anyone who does not fall in love with this down-to-earth and close-knit family is a heartless fool. I am so happy to have an authentic and honest Presidential ticket to vote for instead of a Black Liberation Theology ticket!
Posted By: Obama is anti-American | September 07, 2008 at 12:23 AM

Todd’s cute & sexy.
Posted By: julie | September 07, 2008 at 01:33 AM

Todd Palin is a real man. Obama is a pathetic metrosexual wuss.
Posted By: Fran | September 07, 2008 at 01:56 AM

7 09 2008
jackpine savage

Late to the game…but someone asked why Track went to HS in Michigan. I didn’t know that, but if he was a hockey player it would make some sense. Michigan is a huge hockey state (the suburb of Detroit that my parents live in has produced multiple NHL players, and a kid who grew up across the street will soon join those ranks), so it is not uncommon for young players to move here for HS. They generally play juniors or some kind of travel team. For example, Eric Lindros moved to the Detroit area for HS…from Canada of all places…to further his hockey career.

7 09 2008
bwilder

Karen (09:06:22) :

I’m getting sick to my stomach reading some posts on Politico. This country is in a sad, sad state and I really fear for the future when I read these things:

Sad isn’t it? That’s the McPalin base- religious and or bigoted types who
ignore the facts and flock like the sheep they are to the white religion spouting candidates. They are small but very vocal minority. Due to apathy on the DEM side they were allowed to take the elections in their direction.
They’re still around although new stats say the extreme base has shrunk in numbers. They make up for size by screaming loudly….
In any event at this time (2008) those who have been apathetic in the past seem to now be awake and angry. That’s what we need. Some pissed off Americans ready and willing to work their butts off to elect Obama.

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7 09 2008
fyreflixie

I am just sickened by people who preach abstinence-only education. We owe so much more to our country, our children, and our future.

7 09 2008
Grandpa Scheme

Agreed, abstinence-only education just isn’t realistic, you have to accept the fact that kids will be kids, human nature is human nature, and better to educate on best practices instead of relying on faith and prayer…

Check out: http://getyoursorgohome.wordpress.com/

7 09 2008
mikeyfulton1

Great Post…way to use a pregnant teenager to make a political point! Upstanding citizen we have here!

7 09 2008
deb2012

Wow, gotta give the repub machine credit. The only way it’s close is by doing exactly what they are doing, make the liberals evil, mislead on the facts, and make Palin and her entire family off limits, and maybe they win like last time, without the popular vote. While they admonish everyone that Bristol is off limits, as if they would never do the same, does anyone remember the McCain joke when he was running against Clinton? We don’t need to talk about Palin. There’s enough of Mccain’s own words which reveal his not so stellar side, and we should keep digging them up to remind people. Once again, as he is showing over and over again, he says one thing and does another…..Here’s what a distasteful Senator McCain said:
“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno.” http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

7 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

AKM, you can’t be complimented enough for what you are doing.
1) Helping get to facts and equally importantly dispelling rumors
2) Giving your readers a wonderful opportunity to discuss, occasionally to rant, to express our concerns (sometimes as gallows humor), to find that we’re not alone in our feelings of two parallel universes
3) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: TO ORGANIZE AS A COMMUNITY, finding strength in each other as we enourage each other to get involved

I was out for the evening and came home to several hundred new comments. I’ll never catch up, but I’ve skimmed some.

In discussing/debating the limits of propriety relative to Palin’s family issues, here’s my take on it…
It’s the policies and ultimately the desire for control over others that should be front and center, not the kids. Secondarily, Sarah Palin’s demonstrated judgment and priorities.

CHOICES… Sarah had them, and I applaud her for having the opportunity to make the ones that were right for her and consistent with her beliefs. I hope that Bristol and not Sarah made the choice for her. I’m glad that they have the kind of supportive family (at least outwardly) that will honor and uphold those choices. But the need for “rescue housing” for teen mothers is ample proof that not all young women are that fortunate.

NOBODY LIKES ABORTION. The meme that people who are pro-choice are pro-abortion is hogwash! But dammit, it galls me that the people who claim to be pro-life are so willing to toss those precious fetuses under the bus once they’re born. To me, pro-life means that people at all ages and stages are of value. It means supporting a living wage, making sure that ALL kids have the chance for a good education, that ALL people have access to quality, affordable health care. It means job opportunities for people so they don’t need to resort to crime to care for their families. It means rehabillitation programs for incarcerated people so that when they’re released they have the skills to make it. It means transition programs for newly released prisoners so they can adjust to life on the outside and build a work history. It means objecting to the violence and degrading imagery in film, TV, and music. It means supporting animal rights. It means being pro-environment and trying to figure out how this planet can support its inhabitants in a sustainable manner. And it means getting beyond the parochial view and seeing that people are people, regardless of their race, religion (or lack of it), gender, sexual orientation, disability, or national origin, and that as a result we are more alike than we are different.

No way, no how, NO MCCAIN! Go Obama-Biden!

7 09 2008
The Traveling Filipina

Yup, stressing more of the Republican hypocrisy regarding “family values”. Seriously, I’d like to see how her daughter fares in about 10 years. My guess is, she’ll have three kids, be on her second marriage, and about to get divorced. Family values and good parenting in action! YAY! GO GOP GO!

7 09 2008
CoolObserver

What everyone seems to forget is that SP’s daughter became a topic for discussion by way of questioning Sarah’s ethics. Gosh! After learning she has a record of unethical practices as Gov. of Alaska and former Mayor of Wasilla, it was not hard to imagine she was capable of a baby cover-up as one site out of Alaska suggested. And I believe she instigated suspicion of the sort by her behavior before and after the birth of baby Trig. For example, not announcing anything to folks close to her until seven months into her pregnancy and returning to work three days after giving birth. Most women would agree that three days is still within the bonding period of a newborn not to mention a baby with special needs.

Honestly, I could careless about her family life, but what concerns me most is her unethical record. The very people Gov. Palin claims to want to put back to work are the same people she fires going in, during and out of each of her administrations; namely innocent, hard-working, working-class individuals. Right or wrong, good or bad, they are all treated this same in a Palin administration. If this example of her record is what the greater America has to look forward, what a grim future.

Let’s stick to what matters most. Even if Palin has the credentials to be VP, which I do not believe she does, she would still be lacking in judgment and ethics to lead this Great nation through the critical times it’s facing.

7 09 2008
Mil

Personally, I think the best way to prevent minors from having sex is to get them to understand all the ramifications of a baby.

I was raised in a nonreligious household and though I could have asked anything I wanted and gotten an answer, I didn’t ask. My sister filled in the blanks though. My school was of the abstinance only ilk. Stupid freaking Bible belt. The point is, my parents made sure that I understood that sex comes with a huge set of emotional tangles. And somehow I got that I was not ready for it for until I was an adult.

Knowing what horrible things breakups and jealousy and fighting can do to one makes a younger person realise, sometimes, that it’s just not worth it. But some need the added idea of a baby. If they want to have sex, you can’t stop them. But if you can make them realize that they could end up with a kid… you may get their attention. Many have the ‘won’t happen to me’ attitude. Sadly, it takes a friend getting pregnant to make them realise that they are vulnerable too.

Sometimes I think back to my friends in highschool that became pregnant. (There were a lot that got pregnant in my class.) One got pregnant when she was 14 and had the baby at 15. She never got to finish highschool and eventually lost custody of her son to her mother. I’m happy to say relationships have been mostly repaired and she is now married and has a daughter too. But her son… he’s not really hers anymore. Not in the way he was.

Another got pregnant at 16 and gave the baby up for adoption, causing her father to disown her. I’m very proud of her. She did what was best for her and the baby and wasn’t intimidated into anything else. Her decision was also fortunate in the long run… her boyfriend had already been cheating on her and has since become quite a slime. But I know that she still wonders what life would have been like with her baby.

The kids of our country need Education AND Choice. Anything less is deplorable.

7 09 2008
J T

deb2012 thank you for the link to the horrible joke McCain told.

The author wrote: “McCain’s lapse in judgment — admittedly, not as big a lapse as having a sexual relationship with an intern”

Actually, I would be more upset with my husband if he told such a horrid, unkind joke about a child, than if he had a blowj* by an intern.

Give me a man who screws around over a man who thinks taking cheap, hurtful shots on children is funny.

I’d rather have a horny hound dog than one who lacks empathy.

7 09 2008
AME

jimstaro (08:12:11) wrote:

“Palin read Today, eyeopener:

Sarah Palin had turbulent first year as mayor of Alaska town

They got the boxes of the records!!”

Of course, there’s been a lot of bits and pieces of this dropped, but following the narrative here in full detail, it’s just amazing. Headshakingly amazing, really.
How long until Lifetime has “The Sarah Palin Story” as the movie of the week ?
Okay, who will you cast as Palin ? And the other key characters?

7 09 2008
riverside

Dear me, I know she was sincerely trying to help Sarah when that nice Wasilla, Alaska lady told the national news reporter on camera that “Sarah doesn’t have to answer to reporters, she answers only to God”, but It did seem a little over the top. (Though with echoes of George Bush.)

I realize that she only needed one vote, John McCain’s, to be elected as the Republican VP candidate. I do think, however that the voters might have a right to ask her some questions. At least, up until now, that has been somewhat of a tradition and an assumed right in U.S. elections.

We do get to ask the candidates questions, don’t we? I think that’s what is making this seem so twilight zone- have we just been morphed into another country and another time?

I can’t begin to count the number of people who say how weird this all seems.

7 09 2008
SD Surfchick

All the people who say, “Drop the gossip. Move with the issues. Get out and volunteer for Obama!” are of course, right. However, I can’t help but be intrigued by the women who write in, whose gut feelings are, that nothing about SP’s motherhood smells right. There is a reason behind all the Alaskan rumors or they wouldn’t have been there in the first place. We may need to refocus our energies, but at least this is a safe place to air fears, express disbelief, and ask What If. Today, there is a story in the Washington Post on SP attending 6 colleges in 6 years. I read that here first! Several days ago! The MSM is slow to move, but keeping up all the talk– no matter how outlandish– keeps the media hopping in case there is a story. In my 57 years I’ve learned that people are capable of totally outlandish, bizarre behavior, and nothing will surprise me about SP.

7 09 2008
Dottie

Here’s my take on the idea that children shouldn’t learn about birth control because “it leads to immorality”:

Most people’s last educational opportunity is high school. Millions never go to college or any higher education. High school is their last chance for any sex education at all in their lifetime. Millions of people are too busy or incurious to sit around reading books about birth control on their own. High school kids eventually grow up.

Something like 90% + eventually have kids and end up in some type of long term relationship, whether marriage or other. At some point, virtually every American is going to have to deal with procreation in some manner, whether they are married or not, whether they are well off financially or not. I can’t imagine even the most ignorant person thinking that married adults should know nothing at all about procreation or birth control, yet that’s what will happen if it isn’t covered in the schools. The idea that all parents are good parents is a fantasy.

Recently, I had to spend some time in divorce court in California, listening to other cases before a relative’s case was heard. My relative was an older man. He was the ONLY one above 40 I ever saw getting a divorce over a five year period, and dozens of appearances. The vast majority were in their early twenties, a few up to about 35. Many couldn’t even afford a lawyer. Almost every case involved drug or alcohol abuse, and almost every case involved court ordered rehab, or a parent frightened to death that when the ex had the kids, they would be killed in a car crash because mommy/daddy were high/drunk. One case I remember was a two year old discovered wandering in the street. The neighbor found mommy overdosed on the floor and called Dad. Imagine how he felt knowing he was forced to keep sending a two year old there by court order. She was in rehab a couple of weeks, clean a couple of weeks, and wanted full custody back! Luckily, the judge said no. These are the people you are depending on to be good parents? Sorry, but this is the way it is now. We aren’t living in Mayberry any more. Meth has destroyed so many communities and families, schools better be ready to step up to the plate. There isn’t anybody else, like it or not.

To those who believe “vote for a ticket that has vowed to overturn Roe v. Wade, because it will never be overturned,” wake up! Several Supreme Court judges will have to resign or will die this next term, because they are very old and in poor health. All the Bush Jr. and Sr. appointees are young and in good health. About three more openings will be coming up in the next few years. That’s a right wing majority for the rest of our lives. Most of the Bush appointees are Catholic. Please stop kidding yourselves. When Sarah Palin says she means to stop all abortions, including rape, incest and the health of the mother, she means it.

The Repubs manuevered McCain into picking a YOUNG right wing extremist who will be the head of the party after he’s gone. The entire party will be cast in Palin’s mold. The Vice President is always next in line to run, and McCain has often said he’s considering running only one term. That means in 2012 it will probably be Palin heading the party either way. Unless the ticket loses. Then the Repubs will think about what caused the defeat, and possibly move more towards the middle.

They didn’t pick Palin because they wanted to go to the middle. Please think logically. McCain has already lost control of his party. The Palinites have it, and they are the immediate future of the party, whether McCain likes it or not. He was out-manuevered before his own eyes.

If he can’t even control and head his own party, how can he face Putin? Or Ahmedinejad? They will not be interested in trying to gloss over his Administration’s weaknesses and errors for the Republicans. The whole party is thinking only of what happens within the party, not outside it. When you’re President, you are spared nothing by foreign powers. They are not going to feel sorry for you, cut you a break, or overlook your errors because you are a war hero or a nice mommy. It’s like throwing a sacred cow into a tank of piranhas.

7 09 2008
Lulu

A poster a few comments back says we should give the GOP credit for rallying their base with Palin. No; respectfully, I disagree. They have rallied the Democrats/Progressives/Independents/Swing Voters far more than the GOP base! Whatever these daily polls show (and those polls operate on old communication paradigms, not counting younger voters with cells, onliners, etc.), the daily polling has been off all year, as Michael Moore pointed out on CNN.

I wanted Palin out with an Eagleton-esque exit last week. But now I really truly HOPE that McCain keeps her. PLEASE, Karl and John, keep her on the ticket! It makes apathetic people swing to Obama/Biden, it makes all of us want to go work for the cause. I will be working for 6 weeks for Obama/Biden 8 hours a day. With Romney or someone else as McCain’s second, I don’t think I would have been motivated to volunteer. Thanks, GOP!!!! And especially, thanks to the 21-year-old blogger who lives with his mom who sold Palin to the GOP “leaders”! You have invigorated millions of Americans to help elect Obama/Biden.

7 09 2008
TH-WV

jackpine savage -It is posted somewhere on here where he went to play. I think I can remember someone saying that he went to a no-name hs in Northern Michigan. I read it but all I remember is that I didn’t recognize the program. I had to question the move of a hs kid from home (Alaska) to a no-name hs in Michigan to get ‘exposure’? My son played juniors in Michigan, so I kinda have an idea. Believe me it was not Honeybaked, Bell-Tire, Little Caesar’s, Marquette, The NTDP, Plymouth Whalers, Saginaw Spirit, etc, etc, etc, etc…

7 09 2008
Keystone

fawnskin,

Bristol left Wasilla High School in September 2007 according to numerous press reports which included quotes from administrators. It was stated that she transferred to an Anchorage school. I have yet to read anything that verifies this.

The above picture indicates that Bristol actually transferred to a Juneau High School where she played on the jv basketball team.

It is not clear if and when she left that school.

7 09 2008
deb2012

JT said: “I’d rather have a horny hound dog than one who lacks empathy.”

Looks like you could end up with both. Check the quote by his first wife.
“The breakup of our marriage was not caused by my accident or Vietnam or any of those things. I don’t know that it might not have happened if John had never been gone. I attribute it more to John turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again than I do to anything else.” McCain admits in meeting Cindy while still married, “She was lovely, intelligent and charming, 17 years my junior but poised and confident,” McCain wrote in his 2002 book, Worth the Fighting For. “I monopolized her attention the entire time, taking care to prevent anyone else from intruding on our conversation. When it came time to leave the party, I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. By the evening’s end, I was in love.”
http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter5.html

According to a 2007 profile of McCain in the Arizona Republic, “Their marriage began disintegrating,” and “McCain has admitted to having extramarital affairs.” But the two remained married. Robert Timberg also describes McCain’s extramarital affairs in “The Nightingale’s Song”:

The Nightingale’s Song (pg. 239): The storybook marriage that had survived separation, pain, and prison began to fray. Off-duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John [McCain] started carousing and running around with women. … Asked about them, he admitted to having a series of dalliances during this period.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_john_mccain_cheat_on_his_first.html

In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain’s hair and said, “You’re getting a little thin up there.” McCain’s face reddened, and he responded, “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.” McCain’s excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html

7 09 2008
J T

The more I learn about McCain..the more I dislike the man. He has no character.

7 09 2008
Bystander

There is a line beyond which all is not fair in an election. It is when most, not all, folks agree someone or something just went too far. But this line is always moving. Where was it? Where is it? It is also typically discovered after votes have been cast. So, it doesn’t figure in perhaps outside of its being an historical footnote. I suppose some might cite the US 2000 Presidential Election as an example.

All is fair in an election. There is a goal. The goal is to win. Here, the ends justifies the means. Post-election rationalizations are easy. The prize was worth it. That is the playing field. Idealism is a concept, not a perfect practice. One can choose to fight for ideals, but those ideals are, obviously, different on whatever the side. “Standards” may be a strength, or a weakness. The things that everyone agrees upon are few.

7 09 2008
squee

Regarding that picture at the top of Bristol in the basketball uniform, the AP has corrected the date caption:

Date should read Feb 2007

7 09 2008
Glenn

I scrolled through the many comments, not reading… so many! And I will assume we are all on a similar page, given the surging popularity of this wonderful blog.

Yes, Bristol’s pregnancy matters to this election not only because it reflects the failures of Palin’s policies, but also because it highlights the governor’s core policy of stretching the truth and lying.

Sarah Palin claims that she and her husband are ‘thrilled’ with the prospect of becoming grandparents, and pleased with Bristol’s ‘decision’ to keep the baby. Do we really believe that Sarah GAVE Bristol a choice? Whether as governor or candidate for VP, Palin has much to lose politically had her daughter DECIDED, that is CHOSEN, to abort. Are we to believe that Sarah Palin would have embraced her daughter’s decision to abort?

If we imagine Momma Sarah drilling abstinence into her daughter’s head since the onset of puberty only to result in Bristol’s CHOICE to have sex at the tender age of 17, we can also imagine Bristol CHOOSING abortion given a genuine opportunity to choose.

Palin clearly indicated CHOICE when referencing her daughter’s DECISION to keep the baby. And yes, to add to the chorus of comments posted here, Palin is all too happy to deny choice to anybody else… It’s easy when the right to CHOOSE was never really given.

7 09 2008
Political Amazon

It appears that the bridal registry at Penny’s is satire. I cannot believe that they would have one item in each category, and the choices akin to what you would expect Larry the Cable Guy to have on his wish list.

7 09 2008
Political Amazon

When I went to school, there was no sex education in schools. However, I was in a “capable learner’s” class in the fifth and sixth grades and, as part of a study, we were given just basic information about reproduction. Boys and girls were instructed in different sessions. There was no information on contraception. The type of information we were given was like this: “The male sperm unites with the female egg, which starts the process that ends up in a baby.” We were shown what looked like cartoon-figure diagrams of the male and female reproductive organs.

At no time did they mention that the males hoo-hoo enters the female’s magic-cave to accomplish the process. However, many of us had dogs and cats, and so it didn’t take too much cognification to figure out how the sperm got to the egg. Hell, we even had a rat genetic study going on in the classroom (very rudimentary, simply tracing by color combinations of progeny). So it was a short trip to the realization that the man’s hoo-hoo, indeed, had to enter the woman’s magic-cave to make a baby.

I remember when this realization hit, I thought to myself, “My poor parents! They must really love us three kids because that means they had to go through that THREE TIMES!”

In short, none of us were horrified by the realization of how babies get started, and none of us turned into promiscuous trollops because of what we learned. We were still basically kids (and back then, fifth- and sixth-graders WERE still kids), and the information was just filtered through our kids’ brains and filed away, much like we filed away how to diagram sentences.

BTW, the girls were also instructed in their session about menstruating, supplies for the event, etc., which was very good because back then most girls found out when they ran to their mother, certain they were dying, because of all of the blood that suddenly appeared. So it did alleviate some of the trauma of being initiated into being a woman.

So, I think if information is age-appropriate, and given in a timely manner so that it can actually prepare teens before they start experimenting with sex, it’s a win-win situation.

7 09 2008
Political Amazon

IMO, there are two important issues involved in Sarah Palin and Bristol’s pregnancy.

1) Sarah Palin’s judgment and the veracity of the claims she has made about her background which qualify her to be VP (and possibly president).

2) John McCain’s ability to make one of the most important decisions he will make during his campaign.

Sarah Palin has held herself forth as being a uber mom with a family she’s obviously proud of, and a zealous Christian. Family, family, family is what has been shoved in our faces. Yet, when Sarah Palin came under heat with rumors about Bristol actually being Trig’s mother, Sarah Palin immediately threw Bristol under the bus to save herself. Sarah Palin had not deemed it necessary to inform people at the time that the eldest of her five fabulous children was 5-months pregnant, indicating to me that there was some shame surrounding the pregnancy (not unexpectedly; Bristol obviously broke one of God’s commandments by getting pregnant outside of marriage, and such an uber-Christian as Sarah Palin should find this a source of shock and shame); otherwise, Sarah Palin, when crowing about her family, family, family would have told us about her future grandchild, grandchild, grandchild.

Nope. It wasn’t until Sarah Palin needed “proof” that Bristol could not be Trig’s mother that Sarah decided to out a very private matter regarding her eldest daughter, making Bristol, a 17-year-old, the international public and pundit focus over her daughter’s breaking of one of God’s commandments.

I don’t think throwing your eldest daughter, pregnant with your first grandchild, under the bus to save your own reputation supports the claim of being an uber-Mom and uber-Christian.

2) This has been discussed many times before, so I’ll not include all of the argument: John McCain made the worst decision of his political career when he made the most important decision of his campaign to be president of the United States. He bent over to the politicochristian right demagogues who have taken so much control of the GOP that they can now yank a presidential candidate around by the short hairs. They told McCain if he named his first choice, Joe Lieberman, or–indeed–any of his other choices, they would start a war on the convention floor challenging it. So McCain caved, picked someone the demagogue like, and did not bother to vet her before the selection.

That he did this the day after Obama, in his own convention speech, challenged McCain to demonstrate his own good judgment and temperment, is actually frightening. IMO, it shows the extent by which McCain is NOT in charge of his own campaign, and that there are some pretty powerful religious nutballs calling the shots for the candidate the GOP wants to be the next president of the United States.

Just my opinion…your mileage may vary.

7 09 2008
Observer

There have been several very interesting posts describing features of narcissism in SP. It seems to fit in some ways; however, she does not show the intense vulnerability to criticism that I have observed in narcissists. Those types actually think very little of themselves and use the cover of superiority to carry them through. SP appears to have no such doubts.

The red flags for me are more indicative of sociopathic features, such as an incredible self-absorption (they are all for themselves), lack of empathy toward others, even in close relationships (where you’d expect empathy), an absence of moral anxiety and the presence of risk-taking, and (although KNOWING right from wrong) NOT CARING about right and wrong, just about what benefits them.

I think having sociopathic features explains the confusion that the posters here (who HAVE a conscience and moral feeling) have in trying to explain why SP would accept the VP nomination in the face of major family challenges and how she could yank her children around (as has been pointed out in other, excellent posts) not even sitting them down and presenting the idea of a major life change to them! Keeping secrets like running for VP (!) and pregnancy (?) from them !? More lying.

Just from watching TV and reading the blogs, some of the things that have caught my eye and have added up to a big “Hmmmm…” for me:

1. The strong fear of SP’s vengence and retaliation reported in several posts around the web (including Kilkenney’s viral letter) if they should reveal negative things about her or oppose her. Time after time the Palins have gone after people’s jobs. Getting somebody fired seems to be their revenge of choice. Would someone with a conscience do such a major payback?

2. The elaborate, in-your-face lying regarding the Texas speech, plane trip, etc. back to her hometown hospital for Trig’s birth. Why not a simple lie of returning from the trip and then going into labor? (I do believe SP’s birthing of Trig to be a lie and that Bristol is Trig’s mother.)

3. Assuming that people are gullible and stupid enough to buy the lie of a concealed seven month pregnancy (to even her parents, children, and staff) by being bold enough to tell it, i.e., Ease in lying in the face of the facts.

4. In the pictures in the People photo shoot and on stage she seemed to hold the baby like a sack of flour. While she’s not harming the baby, she doesn’t seem to show tenderness. All of the pictures of Bristol and Trig show a degree of care and concern that doesn’t seem to show in SP’s behavior.

5. On the stage after her speech when McCain came out, it seemed that he could barely bring himself to look her in the face. And in the few times they intersected, they both moved several feet apart from each other. I thought, “He doesn’t like her!” But this didn’t seem to bother her (no anxiety).

After McCain’s big speech when John and Cindy and SP and Todd were sanding in a line together, Cindy walked from next to SP to the other side of John (so the ticket could stand together with the spouses on the outside) and John pulled Cindy back so she was in between him and SP. Also when John and Cindy started to walk out to the end of the runway, SP tried to go with them (without Todd) and was frozen out and had to back off and stay with the group of people on stage.

The body language changed dramatically from the first announcement of her candidacy when they had a warm hug. I bet McCain has some serious doubts about what he did by picking her. Maybe he realizes she would just as easily go after him as she would the Dems if it would benefit her climb to power. He did comment he makes his decisions hastily and then lives with the consequences. (Thanks for nothing, John!)

6. Self-pity as manipulation, which has been reported as part of her modus operandi, but I haven’t seen it displayed yet.

These are just my observations, but I find her seriously scary.

7 09 2008
Exotic Terrane

A response to the questions about Bristol being on the JV basketball team at JDHS and all the speculation and photos about various “baby bumps”:

1) JDHS puts kids on JV and Varsity according to skill level. It is not uncommon in SE Alaska (I live in Sitka; our team plays JDHS 2-5 times per season) for upperclassmen to be on the JV team for playing purposes, and maybe suit up to sit the bench with the Varsity. It happens because basketball is a religion in Alaska, but no one wants to cut kids from the team.

2) All the speculation about baby bumps is ridiculous. Has anyone heard of this thing called beer? Lots of teenage girls have bellies and big boobs. Blame it on the early development of teen girls these days, on the revealing clothes they wear, or on beer. When girls start partying, they often grow bigger boobs and bellies. I see it all the time.

Just for the record, I agree that the talk of “Bristol’s Choice” is patently hypocritical given the fact that her mother would take that Choice away from all American girls. And Trig’s birth is still a fishy tale. Also, the rumors about Track joining the army at the request of a judge/probation officer have a lot of credible sources around this part of the state.

7 09 2008
kbear

I’d really like to know more about Palin’s views on education. For her own kids, Track went to Michigan his senior year to play hockey. Then went home March 2007 after hockey season ended to graduate with his senior class. I’m not sure what he did summer of 2007. Joined the army in September. No mention of college anywhere. I’m guessing he wouldn’t have joined the military if his hockey career took off.

Bristol spent spring 2007 at a high school in Juneau. Then transfers back to Wasilla for fall 2007 (her junior year). Then leaves Wasilla in January 2008 to either go to high school in Anchorage (any reports of the school?) or to be home schooled in Anchorage by her aunt. No mention if she plans to finish high school now. Levi not enrolled in high school. And definitely no mention of college for either one.

7 09 2008
Nebalaskan

Take a look at Ann Fessler’s book http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/books/review/11harrison.html?pagewanted=1 if you want some insight into what happened to the girls of the 1950s-60s that didn’t have a choice prior to Roe v. Wade. I am one of those “surrendered” children who never knew my mother and I am “pro-choice”.

7 09 2008
karenkutie

While I understand why Bristol is the poster child for her mother’s pro-life stance what I don’t understand is the obsession with her. This issue is played out in households around the country every day. Including mine 11 years ago.

What both Bristol, Sarah and I agree on is that abortion stops a beating heart of an unborn child. A child. Pregnancies are not always planned, expected or even welcomed but the resulting child is always a gift. Our society doesn’t seem to value life or family anymore and allowing abortion on demand only further degrades the value. I applaud Sarah’s pro-life stance and that she practices what she preaches.

7 09 2008
Julie Arizona

Regarding McCain and his bunch saying Palin’s kids should be off limits – I had forgotten about the following foot in mouth incident –

In 1998 Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, told the following joke at a Republican fundraiser:

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?” McCain joked about the then-President’s then-teenage daughter. “Because her father is Janet Reno.”

This was not an aside or an overhead private comment. This was in public in front of lots of people. He really doesn’t have much class.

7 09 2008
Political Amazon

There was a great article in the LATimes today (front page) about how Sarah Palin isn’t doing so good in small towns, especially among white women voters.

It appears that the “Palinomania” is largely a product of the GOP spin, and that any mania is limited to the more gullible of the GOP voters.

Interestingly, some were alienated by her convention attacks of Obama, and some just flat-out see her as a fake.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-women7-2008sep07,0,7702239.story
From the Los Angeles Times

CAMPAIGN ’08
PALIN A HARD SELL IN SMALL TOWNS:

Sarah Palin’s appeal to working-class women may be limited
For many of these critical swing voters, economic interests trump any admiration of the Alaska governor’s maternal grit, and some are repelled by her sarcastic jabs at Obama.

By Faye Fiore and Peter Wallsten
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

September 7, 2008

UNIONTOWN, PA. — Trish Heckman, a 49-year-old restaurant cook and disappointed Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter, watched last week as the country’s newest political star made her explosive debut.

She followed the news when John McCain introduced Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate, paid attention to the raging debate over her qualifications, even tuned in to watch her dramatic speech at the Republican convention.

But when it came down to an issue Heckman really cares about — sending a daughter to college on $10.50 an hour — her desire to see a woman reach the White House took a back seat to her depleted savings account.

“I wanted Hillary to win so bad, but I saw Sarah, and it just didn’t work for me,” said Heckman, taking a break in the empty courtyard of J. Paul’s restaurant in a downtown struggling to revive. “I have no retirement. Obama understands it’s the economy. He knows how we live.”

Heckman, like many others in this former coal-mining town at the western foot of the Appalachians, is the type of voter that both presidential campaigns will target in the final two months. Polls show that working-class women have emerged as one of the most critical categories of swing voters at a time when McCain and Barack Obama have galvanized their party bases but still need more votes to win.

Palin, a little-known 44-year-old mother of five, burst onto the scene just days ago, presenting herself as the woman to finally shatter the glass ceiling cracked by the Democratic New York senator’s historic candidacy.

But now, after a chaotic introductory week that sparked national debates on McCain’s judgment, Palin’s experience and even her teenage daughter’s pregnancy, the initial signs are not entirely positive for the reinvigorated Republican ticket.

Interviews with some two dozen women here after Palin’s convention speech found that these voters were not swayed by the fiery dramatic speeches or compelling personal biographies that marked both the Republican and Democratic conventions. Instead, they were thinking about the price of milk — nearly $5 a gallon — or the healthcare coverage that many working families here cannot afford.

Even if they admire Palin’s attempt to juggle political ambition, an infant son with Down syndrome and a pregnant unwed daughter, these women say that maternal grit is not enough to win their votes.

Waitress Judy Artice, “Miss Judy,” as she is known at Glisan’s roadside diner, declared Palin “the perfect candidate” after watching her Wednesday speech. That said, Artice had already decided that her vote would go to the first candidate who mentioned gasoline prices.

“And — I’ll be danged — it was Obama,” Artice, 46, said between servings of liver and onions during the lunch rush.

Both campaigns have signaled that these blue-collar hamlets could be where the election will be decided, an assessment made even more likely when the nation’s unemployment rate hit a five-year high in August.

McCain dominates among white men, and Obama, who would be the first black president, is all but sweeping the black vote, most polls show. That leaves white women, the so-called Clinton base, as one of the most sought-after voting groups left on the table.

Recent surveys suggest that Palin, who opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest, is not necessarily poised to help McCain with moderate women. A National Journal/Hotline daily tracking poll released Friday found that 49% of male voters say Palin is prepared to be president but that only 41% of female voters think so.

But Republican strategists hope that Palin’s middle-class roots, union-member husband and love of hunting will help her connect to rural and small-town folks in battleground states such as Pennsylvania.

This is, after all, a place where schools close on the opening day of deer hunting season, people are conflicted about abortion rights and racial bias still simmers.

Sara Taylor, former Bush White House political affairs director, described Palin as a “living, breathing replica of the middle class” who “connected with people in a way we haven’t seen a national figure do in a long time.”

And Uniontown was very much in the McCain campaign’s sights throughout a convention that showcased Palin’s small-town roots while portraying Obama, who lives in Chicago, as a big-city elitist.

Republican delegates and activists in the convention hall delighted in Palin’s jabs at the Illinois senator, such as when she poked fun at the columned backdrop for Obama’s stadium acceptance speech or mocked him as intent on “turning back the waters and healing the planet.”

For many women here watching closely, though, that portion of Palin’s speech was all they needed to hear.

When Palin belittled Obama’s history as a community organizer on Chicago’s South Side — suggesting he was a do-little activist while she, as the former mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska, had “actual responsibilities” — Sandy Ryan, 59, clicked the remote.

“That’s enough of that. I switched over to ‘House Hunters,’ ” she said with some disgust over dessert with a group of women from the senior housing complex she manages.

One of a dwindling number of coveted undecideds, Ryan gets a firsthand view of retirees forced to choose between food and medication. She is not convinced Obama has the experience to be president, but Palin only reinforced her concern that McCain would mean four more years of divisiveness and gridlock.

Patty Tobal, a 63-year-old retired nurse and lifelong feminist, shut off the TV set and went to bed. The promise of a woman on the ticket had piqued her curiosity, but she found Palin’s sarcasm offensive and her priorities out of touch.

“We don’t need any more fighting in Washington,” Tobal said while having her hair done at a little shop on Route 40, where the customers go longer between appointments in these hard times. “Women are not for women just because they are women. We are intelligent enough to make a conscious decision.”

Life here is basic and hard. Coal miners still work the mountains. The upscale Nemacolin Woodlands Resort just down the road is replete with shops and restaurants that Uniontown residents can’t afford.

And residents describe their downtown, where a portrait of native son and five-star general George C. Marshall covers a building several stories high, as “quaint but sad.”

If these women are any indication, the threat to Obama’s camp is not that they will side with McCain but that they will stay home, as Heckman, the restaurant chef and single mother of two, says many people on her block plan to do.

But those disenchanted voters could be balanced by newly inspired ones, such as Jennifer Glisan, 23, an emergency medical technician who saves lives every week but cannot afford health insurance. Clinton’s gender was enough to awaken her political interest, but Palin’s failed to hold it.

“I think Palin is a fake. She will run the economy into the ground,” Glisan said after catching glimpses of the vice presidential nominee’s speech between emergency calls.

“I have to kill myself every day at work to earn enough to pay for gas to get there. I think Obama is sincere. I think we need a change.”

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7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

One camp we haven’t heard from in a while, since all eyes are at the moment on baby bumps or no, is the sending of her son off to war.

Now this is related to baby bumps because very shortly as the hawks out there will tell you, or check some of the stats on the number of boys in the US now available to join the military, or those that could in the next 4 yrs. If the vast numbers of women choosing not to carry oops babies, to term gets bigger, the numbers frontline troops is getting lower by the moment. This is very distrubing news to Major Hawks and Arms dealers that have just sold last years out dated rapid fire weapons to some of the ill conceived terriorist of the last military debocal. How do we know there are evil terriorist out to get us….we sold them the toys, remember?

7 09 2008
Indiana Pearl

Women have abortions. They have always had abortions since they first learned how babies were conceived and they will always have abortions to terminate pregnancies they are unable to support. Until Roe v. Wade the abortions they obtained were back alley operations that left many women dead or sterile. I’m old enough to remember when these atrocities were a regular part of American life. Is this what the GOP wants to foist off on women?

7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

Don’t know about where you live but here only pro choice women have abortions, the others have hysterectomys (sp check off line). Check the numbers in your area, shhh don’t tell though, no one pickets those clinics.

7 09 2008
captainleadbottom

to AHiredGun and Laurie.
This post has way too many comments to make sense, but I posted a reply to someone earlier on my own blog about this topic.

The main point of it was that I agree that we are much closer on this issue than apart. Of course, thats coming from a pro-choice rebub. But the reality is that as Americans we have the numbers to ensure that Roe v Wade is never overturned but perhaps we can come up with some common sense laws to protect our children and thier virtue.

Again, I do agree with education at the middle and high school levels. It’s the depth of the instruction and the appaling need to show the kids how to do it right that bothers me. Let’s leave at least some for mom, dad, or the doctor. Oh, by the way, they write the instructions on the condom pack and I think it’s pretty straight forward (no pun intended). I take the responsibility to educate my children seriously and I think our schools need more focus on academics rather that social issues. No wonder we are falling behind in education.

I guess my real problem with abortions and contraception being so easy to get, relates more with me being a parent than anything else. I am far less opinionated where these issues relate to self supporting adults.

Hold parents and teen parents accountable. Let’s not make it so easy to collect welfare if you act irresponsibly. Can’t afford that baby? Get a job or the state will help you with adoption proceedings. Don’t make it so easy to get an abortion.

7 09 2008
Justa Boare

What’s this on Drudge? It says the New York Times is doing an expose on “babygate”.

7 09 2008
Intrigued

No way is the black guy on YouTube the BabyDaddy.

His voice inflection, body language, lack of emotion when talking about “his child,” and mispronunciation of Bristol’s surname are all making my internal BS meter go crazy.

7 09 2008
Sarah P

oh great! Hopefully she can play a certain someone in a game of horse, go sports!
http://faqnews.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/favre-scored-some-really-awesome-touchdowns-today/

7 09 2008
Scott

It’s good to see someone who is against abortion fully, even in the case of rape or incest. As awful as those things are, if one believes that life begins at conception, then there are are no exceptions.
Are we to assume that only children born out of love should be born?
Go Palin and thanks for being strong!
Even though it’s not like the VP has the power to overturn Roe v Wade.

7 09 2008
Kate

I just want to thank you for the work you’ve put into this blog. I don’t know what your response was before all of this but I love you blog and look forward to reading it daily.

7 09 2008
Political Amazon

Captain Bottom, it is never easy to get an abortion. It has never been easy to get an abortion. It has always been MUCH easier for a rich woman to herself get an abortion or for her daughter to get an abortion. But not for normal women.

My advice to people who don’t agree with having an abortion: they probably shouldn’t have one.

Finally, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be sacrosanct.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

7 09 2008
mikeyfulton1

Hey Deb2012,

You know why Chelsea Clinton isn’t off limits and Bristol is? Because 1)Bristol is underage. And 2)Chelsea Clinton CAMPAIGNED for her mother.

7 09 2008
Blog Owner

What amazing hypocrisy.

Glenn, YES, I think Bristol CHOOSE to have this baby. What on earth would make anyone think that there would be any other reason than conviction and sincerity to choose to allow this pregnancy to go forward?

Both Bristol and her mother- (read that word again, BOTH) could easily have avoided being fodder for ignorant fools who believe they know more about this situation than they do about this family by aborting that baby.

Bristol could have gotten in her car and driven to Planned Parenthood or to Canada, for that matter, and gotten an abortion on her own recognizance.

The fact that she did not do that is apparently so disturbing to the more selfish members of the public they have to invent twisted scenarios to rationalize her convinction! Her mother must have forced her. Her church must have brain washed her.

How about she decided she was up to the responsibility and wanted to assume it? The fact that you were not capable of such a thing at that age and were instead focused on having as many sexual partners as possible is not a valid reason to dismiss Bristol’s decision as coerced.

It is also interesting to note that once again, we see statistically access to birth control (Sarah Palin is a member of Feminists for Choice, who DO believe in making birth control available to teenagers) and abortion has not eliminated supposedly “unwanted” pregnancy.

Perhaps you have it all wrong.

7 09 2008
drchill

Hi Deb 2012
There are some adult children that do not vote for their parents and some support someone else. Supporting a candidate or another candidate is not reason to be in the limelight.

If I make a statement publically, its the statement or endorsement that is public, not anything else about my personal life.

I or anyone else should be able to support a candidate with no fear that reporters will be rummaging around my trash or bedroom window, or calling my 3rd grade teacher for a comment.

7 09 2008
clancop

Bottom feeders… Pathetic… For a group as progressive as you claim to be, to attack a) an unwed teenage mother AND b) a girl who CHOOSE to keep the baby, is downright hypocrisy. You all loved Juno, and yet decide to attack this girl simply because her mother is whooping your cult leader in the polls? REALLY pathetic…

7 09 2008
theneelsterreport

I don’t get when Republicans vote for people just because they’re on the Republican ticket (I guess the same for Democrats). It’s stupid. You vote for the guy or girl who you feel represents what you want in a President. In some cases you vote for the lesser of two evils. I didn’t vote in 2000 then voted against Bush in 2004; I’m voting in this one and this Republican isn’t voting for the Republicans. I guess that means I’m actually an Independent now. What good are lower taxes when you have to pay them later (see: where money for war comes from) with money that’s worth less worldwide?

7 09 2008
Emily

I may be the lone voice of dissent here, but I have a friend who was a child of incest/rape. He was adopted into a loving family, and has grown up to a successful adult (principal of a high school, married, 4 kids). Why are we so wiling to be rid of those lives today? Why do they have less worth than any other pregnancy?

I support Palin and others like her, who believe that just because a baby is conceived as a result of a rape or incest/rape, it doesn’t mean that that baby’s life is worthless. I realize that it could be traumatic for a mother to carry that pregnancy, but I believe that it could also be healing, especially if she views the pregnancy as something good coming from something bad.

Furthermore, I know that there are plenty of people who would be more than willing to adopt a child conceived under such conditions.

The problem here is a fundamental one: either you view babies as a blessing, regardless of the circumstances of their conception, or you view babies as a commodity, which one can have or not have, depending on what the mother prefers.

7 09 2008
Ash

Regardless, it comes down to who you feel is responsible for educating children and teens about sex, the government or parents. There is no actual research that can show that an increase in sex education in public schools results in fewer unwanted pregnancies. However, there is data that suggest parental involvement works. We were all 16, 17, & 18 and with varying levels of public sexual education. I would argue that the classroom sex lessons had incredibly little to do with the ratio of protected / unprotected sex. Additionally, we all know that Sarah could have been the best parent in the world and still had to deal with 2 pregnant daughters. I guess we are assuming that Bristol got some public sex education (all states do it in some form or another) and that her mother did her best but still came up short…? In that case you also assume that Bristol is not an individual. Perhaps we are assuming that she got public sex ed and her mom did not have time to give her “the talks.” Alaska has a sex ed program; why didn’t it work? Perhaps for the same reason it didn’t work for that large group of teens in Gloucester, Mass did. As a prior Mass state resident, I can assure you few teens in the country state get more explicit education than they do. It’s funny how some choose to see things like this so black and white when it suits them.

7 09 2008
daMama

Blog Owner, First off Alaskan law prevents any minor (last I checked 17 is still less than 18 and therefore a minor) can not obtain an abortion without parental consent. As an American currently residing in Canada, I can assure you that she would not be allowed one here either.

Abortion without her parents’ knowledge and consent would not have been possible. Mrs. Palin is a hardliner when it comes to anti-abortion / anti-choice / pro-life, so I have serious doubts Bristal was given any sort of choice about that. For those people there is no choice to be made because as far as they are concerned there is nothing to decide. Mrs. Palin also firmly believes that children under the age of 18 should have no say in this matter. She pushed through legislation on this topic her first year in office I believe.

Just sign me …
A Woman that prefers to make HER OWN choices when it comes to HER OWN uterus. Thank you very much.

7 09 2008
ocliberal

This is a verbotem conversation my husband and I both had with our 15 year old daughter.

Honey, we don’t want you to have sex – ever! We sure don’t want you to have sex until you are in love, preferably married to the ‘man of your dreams. – 30-35 would be about right. (My husband’s interjection.)

But, we aren’t stupid people and we realize that sometimes things happen even to ‘nice’ girls.

Therefore, what we really don’t want is you to ruin your life, the life of a baby who deserves the love of two mature parents or the life a young man who isn’t ready to accept all the responsibilities that come with parenthood.

Therefore, we hope that and pray that you won’t have sex until you are old enough to accept all the responsbilities or consequences that come with it, but on the chance that you find yourself in the position where you choose to have sex,

USE BIRTH CONTROL.

This is the conversation we had. My daughter looked at both at us with pity, embarrasment and perhaps slight contempt?

Nevertheless, this is the conversation we had so there is misunderstandings how we feel about this.

I don’t condone teenage sex but I’m a realist before all else.

And for those of you who think 15 is too young for us to be having this conversation with our daughter, I would just say, I would rather be better safe than sorry.

I’m on my 4th teenager (oldest is 36). Three oldest have graduated college, not a unwanted baby (or abortion) in the lot of them. I’m a self-described 60’s hippie.

I support a woman’s right to choose, I resent anyone telling me what I need to believe or what they think will send me to Hell and I sure as hell don’t ever like seeing it in my goverment. I would argue let’s worry about killing young men and woman in the prime of life in an unnecessary war and then we can work on making this world a perfect place where no one ever needs an abortion.

Given the choice between my 17 yo having to marry another 17 yo who hasn’t even finished high schoo, or heaven forbid decide she needs an abortion l or having to tell her about sex and the consequences and our expectations for her to practice ‘safe’ sex, I’ll take the latter.

I really believe it’s that simple.

7 09 2008
Bystander

Bottom feeders… Pathetic… For a group as progressive as you claim to be, to attack a) an unwed teenage mother AND b) a girl who CHOOSE to keep the baby, is downright hypocrisy. You all loved Juno, and yet decide to attack this girl simply because her mother is whooping your cult leader in the polls? REALLY pathetic…

clancop,

Gross generalization, clancop. Progressive? Persons of various political affiliations are posting here. You realize this most probably since you’ve been on this site for longer than this post. Days.

Bottom feeding might also be ascribed to those consuming here and elsewhere for what I’m sure you can identify as less than noble reasons. Are you above this? No, you’re here. Are you judging, while excusing yourself? Yes. If it’s good enough for you, isn’t it good enough for others? Or, are you attempting to demonstrate to others the errors of your ways: Do as I say, not as I do?

I don’t believe folks are “attack[ing] an unwed teenage mother”. I believe you know why people are following this story. It’s not specifically about the teenage mother. It’s about what the story reflects in regards to what people from most every political persuasion consider relevant in an election.

To deny this is pathetic.

7 09 2008
antiAnti

Stop all women age 11-55 at the borders of the USA for a pregnancy test – after all they MIGHT be planning to get an abortion in another country. But, of course, a non-citizen could leave the USA to have an abortion.

… er, but, wait!!!! A citizen could go to another country, get pregnant and have an abortion…., well,… ok, that means all female citizens 11-55 must STAY in the USA. And, of course, female citizens overseas must return by age 11 to spend their child bearing years under the watchful eyes of their government.

Looks like that covers all the angles… well, er, but a MAN could go overseas and impregnate a non-citizen who might get an abortion… YIKES, so we have to keep the guys in the USA from puberty ’til death (enuchs excepted).

When spelled out, anti-abortion is really FUN.

7 09 2008
Kimberly Alderman

bwilder, Thanks for the explanation. I’m kind of glad no one has done a statistical analysis on my predicted lifespan. Not sure I’d want to know.

7 09 2008
sockeye

Another article on voting and the importance of confirming your registration prior to the deadline in October.

http://www.truthout.org/article/nearly-600000-voters-subject-possible-caging-ohio

Please help remind friends and family of the importance of confirming your voter registration information is correct before the October deadline cut-off.

Go online to: https://voteforchange.com/

Thanks everyone.

7 09 2008
princePaul

mikeyfulton1, Chelsea was 14 when McCain made that sick, sexist joke about her. Thankfully, she’s turned into a lovely woman with a good head on her shoulders. But can you defend that joke that McCain made? Is that the kind of joke that you want to hear from the mouth of a leader you respect? What about the gorilla rape joke and the nasty things he said to his wife in public?

Bristol is an open subject because she is an unmarried pregnant teen that’s been paraded around by her mother as something that’s GOOD — when it’s a perfect example of why abstinence-only education fails! Unplanned teenage pregnancy due to poor or non-existent sex education as well as the possibility of spreading STD’s through unprotected sex are issues that are on the table. There is separation of church and state in the USA and Palin wanting to push an abstinence only platform is something that needs to be discussed.

Instead of applauding a teenager for managing to get pregnant and keeping the baby and perhaps having pressure to get married (to a guy who doesn’t want children), the discussion should be about how abstinence programs are not enough and sex education is needed because the last thing the USA needs is more unplanned teenage pregnancies and the increased spread of STDs including HIV.

Not teaching children sex education is irresponsible. Children are going to have sex no matter how hard you pray and I’d rather have my children STD and baby-bump free (unless they choose to get pregnant).

Blog Owner, you wrote CHOOSE instead of ‘CHOSE’, but as we’ve seen, some morans can’t even spell mavrick or ameirca. I guess, blog owner, that you don’t know much about small-town ameirca. For Bristol to get an abortion without anyone finding out about it would be difficult and with a rabid high-profile, pro-life mother like Palin, she doesn’t appear to have had much ‘choice’, regardless of her desire either way. Incidentally, it’s these situations — where abortion is frowned upon — that women might go to (or be pressured to) go to a backyard abortionist. Which is all you’ll have if people like Palin have their way.

As for the oxymoronic Feminists for Life (not Feminists for Choice, you’re wrong there) is neither about feminism nor about choice. No real feminist give up the right to choose what to do with her body. And what good is supporting forms of contraception if you don’t support sex education?

But what can we expect from a candidate who has now stated she is part of a ‘team of mavericks’. LOL. Good luck ‘Ameirca’.

7 09 2008
daMama

Thanks for that reminder Sockeye, I have two boys that will be voting for the very first time this year and need to register. Then we have got to get our write-in ballots.

Remember people, it is not just your Right To Vote, it is YOUR DUTY!

7 09 2008
dee

If these two are elected Roe v Wade willbe overturned. It’s darned closed to getting there now. Another conservative justice and you can say goodbye to a woman’s constitutional right to the privacy of her own body, which is what Roe V. Wade basically says. I have no idea what that will mean for other matters–re: exactly at what point do we lose our constitutional right to privacy (some say we don’t actually have one)?

As for the argument that the republicans will never allow it because they’ll lose their selling point–that’s nonsense. After it’s overturned they’ll try 1.) attempt to get a constitutional ban or federal law 2.) stop it state by state. 3.) move on to other birth control methods, like the pill, which many also disagree with. Will they succeed? Who knows. But here’s an interesting piece of history for you. Up until 1873 or so contraception was perfectly legal in this country (and abortion was for many years also) and pretty easily obtainable in major cities. Then this guy Anthony Comstock came along. He didn’t get contraception outlawed per se–he had the transportation of “obscene material” through federal mail made illegal. Contraceptive devices were considered “obscene material”. The U.S. lived under those laws for many, many years.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/pill/peopleevents/e_comstock.html

Don’t believe that this is on the McCain agenda? All you have to do is go to his website to see for yourself:

However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion – the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, “At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level.”

All very nice, and who wouldn’t want that, right? But notice there isn’t any money attached. Because we all know how strongly these guys support federal funding for people in need. Yes, that was sarcastic.

7 09 2008
princePaul

So Ash, you’re saying that Bristol lacked parental guidance? And where’s you evidence to support your arguments about sex ed? Links please.

7 09 2008
rationalpsychic

What a great way to approach the topic without laying on the judgments that people would expect. I think it’s tough, too, that two dumb kids get caught in the debate (ref. to her boyfriend’s I am a redneck statement on Myspace page).

Then again, a lot of dumb kids are affected by this debate.

7 09 2008
rpm1122

If you want to know more about the astrological dynamics of Obama and Palin, go to http://www.robertphoenix.com

7 09 2008
mulloverthis

Someone vying for a hairdressing position shouldn’t have jacked up hair. Someone bidding to get the paint job shouldn’t live in a house with paint falling off the shingles. Someone running on a family values ticket, doesn’t want to be treated based upon her sex, is pro-abstinence shouldn’t be insane enough to think that Americans shouldn’t be concerned about her parenting choices (Palin decided to wait to make a speech when 10 hours of travel time away from doctor w/a high-risk pregnancy, has three minor children [one with special needs] yet wants one of the most demanding jobs in the world, possibly had an affair [family values??], has a pregnant teenage daughter, taking photo cover shots for Vogue magazine [not an everyday image, or political image, but a glim glam woman image] and doesn’t want the sexist treatment and cheap shots about her bod, and then say her life is a private matter. This crazed woman, and yes I said crazed, must be out of her mind if she thinks she should have a voice of influence and push back programs and legislation that speaks to the very issues she is dealing with in her family, WHICH AFFECTS THE FAMILIES OF HER CONSTITUENCY RIGHT NOW. This Sarah Palin question sets back the progress of women 40 years. We don’t have to be able to do it all, at the cost of children who don’t have their mom at their most critical stages of development, want equal treatment with men yet play the sexy, young fit woman card (look at her press coverage), and the mommy card, yet plans for her momma, their aunts and their dad to take care of them while she is being VP. We don’t need Palin. Her kids do. There is not enough room to list all of the politicans who were unfit for office because of personal issues, bad judgment in their personal lives, or who made moral decisions that most Americans don’t support. So since Sarah baby Palin THINKS she is just like any other man in doing the job, she should “man up”, or bull-dog bark, and get ready for the punches. She is not special, and she certainly is not exempt. She is unqualified.

7 09 2008
mulloverthis

PS. Not to get distracted, but in response to some of the comments, there are some people who like abortion. Women who have 2,3,4,5,6,6,8 abortions, like abortion. There are too many birth control options, ones that their partners don’t even have to know about, that women can take to stop getting their backsides knocked up, and then acting shocked, emotionally distressed and then go kill their babies. These same women put on oven mitts, or use dishtowels to remove hot pans from the oven, stove or fire. Their brains process that if they don’t use something to protect their hands, they will get burned. But when it comes to pregnancy, the “duh” factor steps in. Most abortions are not for rape, incest or medical necessity. MOST ABORTIONS BY FAR, are for unplanned pregnancies. Pregnancy is planned when there is copulation, no protection, or failed protection. This debate is really about IRRESPONSIBLITY, most of the time. But who wants to deal with REALITY when we can stay in the clouds arguing for the outlier cases to make it right to kill unwanted babies. Natural and scientific truths are not predicated on a woman’s whimsical thoughts (I want the baby at 2 weeks, but don’t want the blob of tissue at 5 weeks).

7 09 2008
I Promised I Would Remain Silent, but « .randomnivity.

[…] This article about Bristol and Sarah Palin…pretty interesting, especially the comments section. Someone has “found” (or fabricated) Bristol and Levi’s wedding registry. The wedding is supposedly happening on November 4th. I doubt the wedding registry is real, just because the things on it are so outrageous – there’s a lot of camoflauge and American flags. No one could have taste like that…I’m hoping. I’m interested to know the honest-to-goodness date of the impending nuptials. […]

7 09 2008
I Promised I’d Remain Silent on This Issue, but « .randomnivity.

[…] This article about Bristol and Sarah Palin…pretty interesting, especially the comments section. Someone has “found” (or fabricated) Bristol and Levi’s wedding registry. The wedding is supposedly happening on November 4th. I doubt the wedding registry is real, just because the things on it are so outrageous – there’s a lot of camoflauge and American flags. No one could have taste like that…I’m hoping. I’m interested to know the honest-to-goodness date of the impending nuptials. […]

7 09 2008
antiAnti

mulloverthis says “MOST ABORTIONS BY FAR, are for unplanned pregnancies. ”

Got statistics for this? Or just a guess? How much is “by far”? 50%? 60%? 99%? Conversely, what’s the rate of abortions for _planned_ pregnancies?

“FACTS” like this sound so much better buried in a long argument than all by themselves. By themselves, they sound just plain _silly_.

7 09 2008
Bleeding Espresso » pssst, republicans: comfortable has no place in politics

[…] with a 5-month old special needs child at home? All hers. Her 17-year-old daughter’s decision to have the baby she is carrying and marry the 18-year-old father? May they have a lifetime full of […]

7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

rpm1122, thanks for the link. Now I have something to send out to most of my email list. I’d almost forgotten I have friends with brains, aside from here that is.

Oh, some good news I just got word that ID is turning purple and may be going blue soon. I finally got to see our next Senator to Be, after a Rodeo Party this week-end and his numbers are looking good.

7 09 2008
Observer

I just read the article in the New York Times about Palin’s “Merging Politics and Motherhood.” She says she kept her pregnancy secret from her parents and children. How does one do that? Maybe she rarely sees her parents, but how do you keep something like that from four children in the same household?

It remains a very odd story.

7 09 2008
princePaul

Observer, I agree. Even though they failed to bring anything really new to the story, the fact that co-workers and family didn’t notice she was pregnant until they were told at seven months and then she had the baby a month later is mind-boggling to me. Plus travelling by jet in the third trimester while carrying a special needs baby? Irresponsible. I just spoke to my uncle who is a doctor and he says that after a fluid leak like that you need to be checked out by a doctor — not just phone them! He says any doctor who would recommend travel after an amniotic fluid leak at this stage of pregnancy without a check-up by a gynecologist is negligent. Infection and preterm labour are the big worries according to him.

What surprises me most is that the Palin’s were actively telling this story like it’s a badge of courage. There is still something odd about this whole thing.

7 09 2008
GJ in Idaho

The same way you keep sex ed info way from them. No TV, no socializing with those kinds of kids, see no evil, speak not evil, except for those terriorist way, way, far away that is….those guys are the real axis of evil, don’t you know?

Didn’t seem to work or maybe it did if she was never home and never talked to them about anything. So far I’ve seen a lot of pics of her doing lots of things but not much family stuff, I guess that’s her way of keeping the kids out of the limelight. That’s ok, send one to an out of state school, home school the others part time, but I’ve yet to see the cool home school pics of the kids study room, (even less the kids in the Governors mansion) or at her own private house. I get great cool ideas along these lines from most of my home school friends. I’ve heard that lots of families in AK, my niece included, had a great state sponsored home school program for her son, because there are many places where you can’t get to school a good part of the year, and the big town public schools have the same problems we do down here with drugs, catty kids, and low motivational classes for every child.

In that governors clip I saw earlier today, when asked what she’d do to improve schools she was big on motivation, get more kids excited about school but after her election, her veto pen seemed to be bigger on cutting spending to education or at the very least she hasn’t appeared to be highly motivated to spend as much time lobbying for schools and education as she has to oil and fishy stuff. She did get a great looking hooky rink, where her church buddies could meet upstairs, great keep the kids off the street, but what’s going on with the folks else where in the state that have never even been to your/ her town, only said with her smirk not intended to cut the rest of you that I am sure love your town, too.

Mom’s that have to work in every state run the risk of losing the race to keeping track of what the kid is doing every moment, so she’s not much different than any of us that had to make a living. That’s not my problem with her ambition or her leadership, but her lack of experience in solving her problems while on the world stage is certainly my main concern.

8 09 2008
John Nail

The latest on the NYT puff piece article on Palin’s pregnancy:

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3712

Greed and Ambition drove her risky behavior….if she really was pregnant…

8 09 2008
Observer

@ John Nail,

Will you send this to the New York Times Ombudsman? That puff piece looks like poor journalism to me, not up to the NYT standard.

Thanks for posting it for us!

8 09 2008
Name

I think that all this whole sorry incidence proves is that abstinence doesn’t work – and yes, I believe it is reasonable to comment on the children as products of their upbringing. I also don’t believe for a second that Bristol has been given a choice, and I question the compassion and love of a mother – hockey mom – who would force her daughter into a marriage with a self-proclaimed ‘fucking redneck’ just because it’s politically expedient.

8 09 2008
SMR

My daughter attends West and says that she also went there last year, for one semester, while living with an aunt in the area — allegedly that was because she was getting into trouble in the Valley. Then there’s the story about Track being one of the students (minors) involved in the trashing of Valley schoolbuses, and being given the choice of juvenile incarceration or the military. Have you already covered that? I’ve just discovered your blog (chorus of angels) and have already emailed it to dozens. I am a life-long Alaskan concerned about this woman being held up as some sort of role model & example of the fine Republican/religious moral compass to which we are all supposed to aspire.

Please continue to let everyone know how messed up the Alaskan political scene is, and Sarah is as messed up as any other dubious Alaskan politician!

8 09 2008
mikeyfulton1

PrincePaul,

I did not know that McCain made that joke when Chelsea was 14. My mistake, would’ve been helpful if the person that made that claim linked it to a credible site as I was not familiar with the quote. Thank you for correcting me, at the same time-how is Palin “parading” her daughter around? In my opinion, it’s the media that’s taken this issue and run away with it-with Palin not adding any fuel to the fire whatsoever.

8 09 2008
Missouri Gal

Can you be such a “Christian” woman and still want only evolution taught in school? Doesn’t that go against most “Christian” beliefs?

8 09 2008
celia

Why doesn’t she provide a birth certificate. That would solve all the questions. If she DID give birth, there would be medical records and a birth certificate. Apparently only two babies were born that day in the hospital she went to and they were not born to her.

8 09 2008
John Nail

Babygate – latest info as well as todays NYT puff piece on Palin:
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3712

9 09 2008
When in doubt, blame the media - The Traveling Gnome - Claire St. Amant

[…] parade and hide her pregnant teen, Palin thrust her daughter into the spotlight but asked that we wouldn’t look too closely. Give me a break. If she really wanted to spare Bristol, she would’ve left her at […]




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