The Alaskan Independence Party. We Are Outta Here!

3 09 2008

The Alaskan Independence Party…. Everyone is wondering what it’s all about.

First, it’s important to understand that Alaskans’ party affiliation is quite different than the rest of the country. More than 50% of registered voters are registered as Independent or Non-Partisan.

Alaskans don’t like being put in a box. And although political opinion varies widely, there is a common thread that runs through most Alaskans, regardless of their party affiliation, or lack thereof – Libertarianism. You’ll find Conservative Libertarians, Liberal Libertarians, and Independent Libertarians.

Living in Alaska is very much like living in another country as it is. We are geographically, financially, and philosophically isolated and we like it that way. People don’t live here because they want to be connected, and in the middle of it all. It is not uncommon for Alaskans traveling to other states to say, “I’m going ‘to the states'”, or “I am going outside” (and they don’t mean to the backyard). This is something that doesn’t sink in with most tourists and visitors. We love tourists and visitors. But we like it when they leave, and Alaska gets back to normal.

When I first moved to Alaska, I was astounded by how often people talked about being Alaskan, doing Alaskan things, supporting Alaskan owned businesses, ….Alaska Alaska Alaska. I thought, “What’s with all this Alaska talk?” After almost two decades, I realize that being up here, thousands of miles from the nearest U.S. city, fosters a ‘band of brothers’ mentality. For those of you who have never been here, imagine boarding a plane in Seattle and flying four hours north. We may be technically part of the U.S., but we are far far away. Hawaiians may understand what I mean.

Many old time Alaskans who were here long before statehood, look back on those days fondly. They reminisce fondly about the time before the Federal Government locked up our land, told them where and when they could hunt, fish, mine, and where they could use all terrain vehicles. Things were just fine up here before the damned government stuck their noses into our business and started running our lives. Those over-educated, elitist, radical environmentalists are out to rob us of our way of life….grumble, grumble. This is how many Alaskans, especially rural residents, think. The term “radical environmentalist” is used routinely, mostly by the republican party, in stump speeches, TV interviews, and campaign materials as an example of everything that’s wrong up here.

So. That being said, I asked my spouse, who was born way up in rural Alaska, before statehood, about the AIP. “What a bunch of wackos”, was the answer. Don’t get me wrong, no one is going to lock up their children if they see the AIP coming, but they are kind of like the craziest uncle in a family of crazy uncles. You love your crazy uncle, but he’s still a crazy uncle.

The party was founded by Joe Voegler, a true Alaskan ‘character’, and captain of the crazy uncles. Voegler, an uber-Libertarian, was known by many old timers who were here before the pipeline days in the 1970s that brought in all the ‘oil people’ from Texas and points south. Real old timers don’t like THEM either, but that’s another story for another day. The 70s also saw huge areas of Alaska land locked up as Federal, and Native lands.

Alaska was given a choice in 1958 to vote on one of the following:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The vote never happened, but we did become a state. The AIP feels gyped, and wants that vote. They have been holding this lack of closure close to their hearts for the last 50 years, and they will. not. give. it. up. Now, obviously Alaska did indeed become a state. So it’s pretty obvious that if #4 was a popular choice with the AIP, they would have no need to exist. There may be those out there that would cast their vote for #1 or #3, but I’ve never met them. I know a few people who are members of AIP, and they are all pro-secession. If they could wave a magic wand, Alaska would be its own country. Pling! (magic wand noise)

The reason they are not regarded as dangerous anarchists is because of the pervading philosophical climate of Alaska, and it’s naturally independent streak. They are just one end of the ‘normal’ political spectrum here. If you lived in Colorado, and joined a political party that was seeking to make Colorado its own country, it would fall much farther outside mainstream thinking.

From the AIP website:

The Alaskan Independence Party can be summed up in just two words:

ALASKA FIRST!

Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.

That’s the message. ALASKA FIRST, in contrast to the theme of the convention at which Palin will speak tonight, ‘Country First’. Reports are conflicting about whether Sarah Palin was a member of the AIP. The current party chair says yes, but the official records don’t jibe. But her husband Todd was a member of AIP for several years, and his membership clearly implies a preference for secession. Otherwise, why join?

The thing to remember here is that the Alaska First mentality runs deep in Sarah Palin. When she first was asked on camera about her opinions on becoming the VP candidate, and after saying she’d need to find out “what it is that the Vice President does every day”, said that she would only accept if she thought her position there would be “fruitful” for the state of Alaska. Her son Track has a tattoo of the state of Alaska (and a Jesus fish tattoo). Do people from California, or New Mexico, or Pennsylvania have tattoos of their state map? Probably not. Here? Pretty mainstream. Even her children all have “Alaskan” names. Bristol? Bristol Bay. Piper? Piper Cub airplane. Willow? The town north of Wasilla. Trig Paxson? Another town further north of Wasilla. Track? Generic outdoorsy, but we’ll take it.

When Alaskans travel outside the country, and people ask us where we’re from, we don’t say The United States. We don’t say “We’re Americans”. We say that we are Alaskans. We really think of ourselves as Alaskans first. (And people in foreign countries tend to not hate us as much).

The other important thing to note is that Sarah Palin did deliver the opening address at the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party convention saying that the Alaskan Independence Party “plays an important role in state politics” and that she “shares [the party’s] vision of upholding the Alaska constitution”, with the implication that she supports ‘the vote’, and wishes them luck on a successful convention. She was present, and encouraging and supportive.

So, should everyone down in “the states” be concerned about Todd and Sarah’s affiliation with this group? Alaskans would probably say no. ‘Outsiders’ would probably say yes. There’s no real chance that AIP candidates will take over the state, and Alaska will secede from the union. AIP candidates don’t win elections. All 50 stars will remain on the stars & stripes, so no need to race out and buy stock in flag manufacturing companies just yet. But understand that the “Alaska First” mentality is very real, and that Sarah Palin was born and raised with this mentality and has a fierce loyalty and dedication to all things Alaskan (except polar bears). For a country of people who have, until recently, barely even given Alaska a thought, understand that Alaska will be very very high on the priority list of your potential next Vice President. Alaskans know this and that is why many Alaskans are so supportive of this candidacy. Many feel sad at the prospect of losing her as governor, but this is mitigated by the fact that they know Alaska’s priorities will become top of the list. Although Alaska is geographically the largest state by far, Sarah Palin has lived in a very small world. And that world is very self-focused and for the most part looks at the rest of Americans as distant cousins.

Some here would call AIP a group of independent mavericks. Some would call them whack jobs. Some would argue there’s a fine line. Most would agree with the “Alaska First” slogan.

So, if the AIP got their way and had that vote they never got in 1958, would we vote for secession? Probably not. But, it might be closer than you think.


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3 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

SOrry had to post again but this is on the front page of Yahoo

Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mic: ‘It’s over’

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080903/pl_politico/20576

3 09 2008
Kim

More problems.

Palin, two weeks ago, sat through a sermon by her talibangelical minister in which he said that “terrorist murders of Jews represent God’s judgment against Jews for resisting Jesus…”

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-right-and-a.html

3 09 2008
BobbyG

Maybe AK could secede and Palin could become Ambassador to the U.S.

3 09 2008
dongshow

Thank you! I absolutely loved your article, your the first person I’ve read put it all together yet. You paint the state with a broad brush yet manage to allow it’s differences to flourish. keep up the good writing.

BobbyG: forget that, imagine all the crazy shit Stevens would pull with diplomatic immunity.

http://www.dongshow-productions.com

3 09 2008
3 09 2008
From England

Mudflats…STOP!! Some of us out here need to do some work…get on with our lives….do other things. This emotional and physical attachment to your blog and my computer respectively can not be healthy!!! :))))

3 09 2008
Sean

but if Alaska becomes independent, whose government will she bilk for hundreds of millions of dollars?

3 09 2008
Diva

I was very struck by her statement as to what she could do “for Alaska” as VP. I immediately thought that was a very odd thing to say, but since then I’ve learned, she’s a very odd gal!

3 09 2008
All I Saw

I grew up in Joe Vogler’s neighborhood and now live in Wasilla – I too was raised in Sarah’s world – however, I don’t share much of her views.

She didn’t buck the status quo against Alaska’s Republican party establishment, she just wanted to be in charge of it.

If she looked like Janet Reno she wouldn’t have won the governor’s race.

She looks like a big fat opportunist to me, not a reformer.

3 09 2008
Jim S.

Which wouldn’t go over well with the Flag Wavin, Magnetic Ribbon {cheap}, Super Patriotic Crowd, which believes in a ‘Strong National Defense’ {as in Making Enemies, More and More and More and More…………..} while Never questioning the Ever Growing Defense Budgets…………………etc.etc.etc. {oh and most don’t serve}!!!!

Or Would It??

3 09 2008
Laura in Homer

Great post–even-handed and accurate, in the opinion of this Alaskan.

3 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Robert Reich’s Blog

Robert Reich is the nation’s 22nd Secretary of Labor and a professor at the University of California at Berkeley. His latest book is “Supercapitalism.” This is his personal journal.

I took a piece from his blog post today on Vetting…please take a walk over and pay visit on this topic.
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/

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Tuesday, September 02, 2008
Vetting

Having been through the process of “vetting” prospective cabinet members, I can tell you it’s time-consuming, detailed, and thorough. I’d like to think the vetting of a vice presidential nominee would be more so – especially one whose odds of becoming president, should she be elected, are somewhat higher than that of the normal vice president.

3 09 2008
Republicans for Jed Clampett

http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/03/1336176.aspx

Interesting – MSNBC asks why are you a Republican.

3 09 2008
Merle

Alaska provides 20% of our national energy needs.

The lower 48 buys 100% of the Alaskan energy product.

Russia doesn’t need the oil. Neither does Canada.

Let them leave and the US citizens of lower 48 will no longer have to subsidize the alternative Alaskan lifstyle to the tune of $3200 per baby per year through the APF by way of tax-givaways to Big Oil.

3 09 2008
An Alaskan Republican

Merle, You think the oil dividend is a topic, this year we are all getting an extra $1200 to help with energy costs. Please tell me what a 2 year old is going to do with their oil dividend and $1200 for energy? Oh and not to mention people that no longer live in the state might be getting that $1200 also!

3 09 2008
Diva

Ok, I really have to go make dinner-nobody post anything until I get back, ok?😉

This blog is so addicting! It’s like a steady PalinScandal-IV drip!

3 09 2008
Andrew Gregg

I’m Canadian and we have our own election looming but this stuff with Palin is too good to ignore. And maybe someone has already linked to this, but if not, check it out-even Peggy Noonan is jumping overboard:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/peggy-noonan-mike-murphy_n_123647.html

In Canada we have smugly prided ourselves over the past 8 years for not being the kind of nation that would vote for anyone as transparently venal as Bush. But the tables have turned-we are in danger of giving a majority to Conservative Stephen Harper, pretty much because there isn’t anything better to do. We are not engaged.

I listened to Barack Obama speak in Ohio today. In America you have a rare opportunity to elect someone very special. I’d suggest you don’t miss this chance.

AG

3 09 2008
wyogal

Mudflats,
With all your libertarians, how was the support for Ron Paul. It’s still big in Idaho and was pretty big in Wyoming, but competed with the LDS voters in the western part of the state for Romney. Wyoming went for Romney in their early caucas in January.
Another question: is it true that Palin supported an indoor hockey stadium over a good 911 system and sewage treatment plant in Wasilla? I read that somewhere…
Wyoming is experiencing an energy boom now, just like Alaska is now and both did in the 1970’s. The town I live in went from 3000 to about 20000 overnight in the boom; now it’s back to 10000. Our city and county wisely invested in infrastructure during the boom and we got 5 new schools, a new jail, a nice rec center, etc. I’ve seen places that frittered away boom revenues–always a mistake during the inevitable bust.

3 09 2008
Diva

One more post, then I’m REALLY going:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_aide_dodges_troopergate.php

Seems the witness in Troopergate hasa sudden case of amnesia.

3 09 2008
Diva

Seems the witness in Troopergate has a sudden case of amnesia:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_aide_dodges_troopergate.php

3 09 2008
Trouble in paradise...

Conservative commentator and Republican consultant caught on tape criticizing Palin…So this is what their elite really think about their VP nominee but dare not say in public:

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity_news

3 09 2008
KAMERUN SCOOP

Alaska first ?

Palin, what a pity !

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

do you need to be born there to get the dividend check? maybe thats why the little fish-picker flew back from texas in labor….

3 09 2008
Bettex99

Love this blog and am passing it on to others with enthusiasm. I live in Texas and texans are not alot different than alaskans, lots of bar talk about succession down here too, damned federal gummint. However, I have to say that you have us beat, y’all are like texans on steriods.

3 09 2008
Jim S.

You know, I just caught a couple more of these Mag Cover photo’s of Palin with the Baby in her arms, loosely.

She’s Posing With The Big Smile and I get the impression if they had put a doll in her arm she wouldn’t know the Differance!!

This chick is Using that Child, Period!!!!

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

the newest scandal, jews for jesus speech – is all over the msm now.

3 09 2008
bwilder

Another great post!

“So, if the AIP got their way and had that vote they never got in 1958, would we vote for secession? Probably not. But, it might be closer than you think.”

And if it had happened in 1958 and all those crazy uncles had voted for
option number 2. we wouldn’t be in this mess with their crazy little niece
now would we?

3 09 2008
DPN

As someone who has always had an unnatural fondness for Alaska, your post was enlightening. Thanks.

3 09 2008
Miemaw from Texas

Evetry once in a while, you hear folks from Texas refer to it as “The Republic of Texas” . But they got over it. (Course it took over 150 years.)

Having visited Alaska, I can see why the strong Libertarian mentality. People live kind of “disconnected.” Your population is sparase. Because of the terrain, it’s not like you have something like the “Metroplex” that we have here in Texas, which is really Dallas and Ft. Worth sort of combined. Each it’s own city, but 10 minutes by freeway from one to the other. And, there are hundreds all over the counrtry. I can recall taking a bus tour, in which the bus drove up on a railroad flat car, because we had to go by train, to get to the next road. Most people fly, because it’s about the best and only way to get from one place to another. There are less than a million of you. You should be independent. (But not wackos.) Down here in the lower 48, there are 300 million of us. We can’t afford to be as independent in thought, or deeds, as folks in Alaska. Neither do we have to be as self-sufficient. The nearest super mega store is a short drive away. No need to learn to hunt. And you can’t eat what you catch fishing. We have polluted the streams and water ways, bays, lakes and rivers, and such to the point where you don’t dare eat what comes out of them.
Maybe in 150 years, who knows?
Governor Palin wears a pin on her lapel. I don’t think it is the obligatory Republican Candidate American Flag Lapel Pin. I think she wears the pin of the flag of the State of Alaska, and I suspect deep down, she does put Alaska First. Ahead of “country.”

3 09 2008
An Alaskan Republican

RE: LaughingAt… (14:46:04) :

do you need to be born there to get the dividend check? maybe thats why the little fish-picker flew back from texas in labor….

No, you just have to live here for a full year, January-December.

3 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I am with you England…I could barely get any work done today. Fear of missing something.

This is an excellent blog, and the writing is remarkable! It’s like I am there seeing everything you are describing.

Thanks for your site!

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

someone here said that this all is because of the “collective crap in their pants” after baracks great speech thursday night. i agree.
but, they must be really in deep now.

oh yeah, we vetted her. stop asking, it was thorough and comprehensive. its all the medias fault and those rotten liberal bloggers who want truth. now shut up and accept truthiness.
this is really all too much. nothing has gotten done around here since friday!!

AK- i love your blog. if you ever do one on the caribou, i’ll be able to get down to that kernel of understanding on who’s who and whats what.

3 09 2008
KRK

Great blog!

The “outside” bit always cracks me up. I spent the summer of ’94 in Anchorage and it took me forever to understand all those odd headlines in the paper: “More Alaskans Go Outside This Year.”

3 09 2008
fredrik

HBO should use this as the basis of a TV-show. You can’t make this stuff up; it has to be material for at least a couple of seasons already. Northern Exposure meets West Wing meets Sopranos.

And I just love the blog, can hardly get anything done. Keep up the good work!

3 09 2008
Corie

Wow, Mudflats, once again, you’ve enlightened me. The best thing about this whole sordid affair is I’ve gotten a chance to learn more about your fascinating state!

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

ak repub- so do you think its about the AIP thing that she flew back?
i cannot understand why anyone would ever do that,
but then there’s the part about passing 2 hospitals on the way back to wasilla….

3 09 2008
Meleana

Thanks for this. As Hawaii’s governor Lingle takes the podium tonight to introduce her soul sister (eeeh) from Alaska, her own state faces numerous independence movements as well as pending legislation called the Akaka Bill that would grant native Hawaiians the same status as Native Americans. The bill was perceived as “secessionist” by some members of Congress and has not yet made it through. Hawaiians found that ironic and silly. It is the opponents of the bill in Hawaii who are toying with the secession idea (through foggy notions of restoration of the monarchy) but the supporters are clearly pro-establishment and pro-democracy and nested within a quasi-State agency called the Office of Hawaiian Affairs. Half the people in Hawaii don’t understand the bill so it’s no surprise that inside the beltway it looks like a dangerous secessionary movement. Your analysis of the historical context of the Alaska Independence Party is very good, keep up the good work.

3 09 2008
JM

Might it be better for AK to be a separate country? [serious question]

There’s an economic tradeoff in losing subsidies from rest of US, but then AK could drill as much as it likes, and if the proceeds are well-invested (like Norway), AK might do OK.

3 09 2008
meatme

i want to know more about Track Palin and why he lived in Portage michigan for six months during his senior year in high school. something funny about that. everybody wants to graduate at home. strange he went in military in sept 07 and adding up that equates to 9 minths. Word on michigan blogs (can’t find link anymore) is that trigg is Track’s son.

Now the rumors that she was having an affair with Todd Palin’s business partner
…what next
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry4413030.shtml

and why does john mccain feel the need to get involved with the enquirer over palin’s “personal life” ….. guess it’s ok for him to do it. we’ll see what the national enquirer has to say.

3 09 2008
Palmdale, CA

Bettex99:
Coming from a Texan, that’s high praise, indeed. I about choked!

AKMuckraker:
Thanks for the info on the AIP and its place in AK politics, along with the description of the general political ethos of AK. I’d looked at their website when the topic first came up over the weekend. I didn’t realize the vote for statehood didn’t happen. Could you expound on that? And many thanks for the great blog. Like others, I’m having a really hard time getting anything else done the last few days. Great writing from you and several other locals. Thanks for helping us get your perspective. I, too, would be interested in knowing a bit more about how Paul did in the primaries. Is there a significant LDS presence there like in so many western states?

3 09 2008
dongshow

LaughingAt: my favorite part of the complaints is that every Alaskan has the perfect symbol of the national media in front of them and yet they still act surprised. They are all a big seagull like, come in a flock looking for a cheap meal and fight over the scraps. As a commercial fisherman she should be more prepared.

Or, more simply, her accepting the office knowing her past was like camping with a rib eye in your tent and acting surprised when you get mauled.

3 09 2008
Paul

I’m glad I stumbled on this blog right before the Palin VP pick happened last week; very good, informative articles so far and entertaining to boot.

Regarding the Alaska First / Independence stuff, it has always amazed me how the most conservative folks decrie all government “interference” in their lives, but have no problem accepting the various entitlement benefits from the Federal Goverment, be it famer subsidies, home interest deductions, or the many, many pork dollars sent to Alaska each year. I believe Alaska’s citizens have led the nation for the last 15 years in per capita Federal handouts.

Keep up the great reporting…..

3 09 2008
nisleib

Thank you mudflats, I grew up in Alaska and was trying to explain the above to some of my friends, you did it much better than I!

3 09 2008
Ky

“She looks like a big fat opportunist to me, not a reformer.”
EXACTLY! Supposedly, she’s done all of these great things, but the more you dig, the more you see she did it for herself/family, not for Alaska.

She RAISED taxes to fund a sports arena, but cut funding for the museum, and decided not to expand the library (what does this woman have against books?!).

Thank you so much, Mudflats. Seriously, you’re keeping me sane! I thought perhaps I was the crazy Alaskan, but you have put my mind at ease.🙂

3 09 2008
PalinGate

I officially check Mudflats before any other major news network.

3 09 2008
An Alaskan Republican

LaughingAt…
I couldn’t tell you why she felt the need to fly from Texas back to Alaska and then proceed to drive to Wasilla, especially when Providence Hospital is in Anchorage. I can tell you this, A LOT of people thought it was ODD. And I love Texas, but I have come across people who were born and raised in AK and they feel that Texas is the competition. Who knows why she felt the need to risk the life of that little boy. She has done a lot of stuff the last few days that we all question. I can say this when she announced the pregnancy there was a member of the house who was also pregnant (they were both about the same time along, 7mos.) and you could tell that the other woman was pregnant and it was her 4th child, I think. From the beginning a lot of people have thought the situation odd.

3 09 2008
Groundhogday

The shame of the media frenzy is that some of the more salient issues will get lost in the sex/babies/pastor excitement.

What the public needs to know:
Stuffed her face with federal pork, now pretends to be a reformer
Ran up a big deficit as Wasilla mayor
Abuse of government power, heavy handed government
Zero national or international policy expertise or even interest
Extreme pro-life position
Very strong Alaska-centric experience, perspective and priorities

Did I miss anything?

3 09 2008
GiGi

I feel like a wet noodle..i don’t know if my brain can process much more..
Tonight is her big speech in front of the older white audience..
I wish something big would break before the speech..

3 09 2008
BigSkyGirl

Love this blog…thank you so much

Regarding the idea that Alaska is a big place, but Sarah comes from a small world, is she ever going to be questioned about her position on issues that people from more populous areas in the US have to deal with? Like racism, homelessness, crime? I know growing up in Idaho and Montana, these issues were nearly meaningless to me. There were no homeless people, the one African American kid in my high school was treated like a rockstar because she was so rare…I guess my point is that in addition to the lack of education, international exposure, and political experience, I know Sarah must lack basic knowledge of the culture of her own country.

This veep pick is the most mind-boggling atrocity and failure of leadership I’ve ever seen. I just hope the Republicans out there who really do care about this country more than about winning an election–and I believe they do exist–will take a stand and do what’s right.

3 09 2008
An Alaskan Republican

RE: Meleana (15:15:48) :

Akaka Bill

What does Akaka mean? Just wondering

3 09 2008
Mrs. Polly

New Yorkers feel very much the way Alaskans do! We send more to the Federal Government than we get back, we think the rest of the country (including New York state; I am talking about New York city, naturally) is cute, but not really capable of supporting life as we know it, and we love being free to do whatever neurotic, beautiful, bizarre, dangerous, morally questionable thing we want without interference.
A few years back, New York magazine published a fantasy about the secession of New York city. There was an illustration of a passport to the country of New York. It had the Empire State building on it. The longing we felt looking at that passport could be understood by any Alaskan, I think.
This was about the time of the Republican convention here, which was like a four-day war, police helicopters constantly whirring overhead, mass arrests using orange construction netting to round up protesters and passers-by indiscriminately—- I think we may be excused our secessionist fantasies.
Rudy Giu911ani, much as we dislike him (and we are sick of him!), who also left the city with massive debt, could say he headed up a small country. Actually, more people live in Brooklyn than live in Alaska.

3 09 2008
Gym Rat

This blog is absolutely addicting. It is the best.

The big news in the past hour is the National Enquirer is about to break a story about an affair between the lovely Sarah and one of Todd’s business partners.

Good Lord is this a melt down or what. I think your friend said it best the other day. “What a way to commit suicide.”

Can’t wait for Teddy’s trial.

3 09 2008
Lulu

Thanks again for this wonderful blog. I have learned so much.

I have an “off the wall” question. Has anyone else heard the rumor that the GOP leaders are now behind the scenes frantically trying to think of a way to get MCCAIN off of the GOP ticket, and they are looking into the “he was not born in the United States” angle? (He was born in Panama, and it’s a possibly a gray area, in terms of the legal interpretations possible.)

3 09 2008
Haley

I am so NOT listening to that shrill, spine-tingling voice tonight.
I will be tuning her out and watching The U.S. Open

3 09 2008
Carla

Andrew Greg,
I do think we get it. Not to worry, but Americans seem to love drama. It’ll play out.

3 09 2008
Mollys Mum

I am at the point where I am starting to seriously consider rooting for Sarah Palin–only because if she disappears, HOW WILL I GET MY MUDFLATS FIX?? Honestly, I think I am going to need a 12-step program to handle the withdrawal. The best I can pray for is that she manages to stick around in various states of decomposition for the next two months. Maybe then they’ll give me my job back. But really, who cares?

Kudos to you, AKM. Next to Barack Obama, you are the best thing that’s come out of this election.

3 09 2008
curveball

Akaka..it is the name of the senator who introduced it…

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

right you are paul, another bunch of libertarians taking handouts telling me what and how to discuss things with my doctor.

the other thing, from her speech on friday…. whats this about energy independence? we here in these parts always think of that concept to include alternatives to fossil fuels as well. nope, not her. she’s actin’ like she’s jes sittin on a bunch of it, and we can all be swimming in oil from anwr. well, we have more than 600,000 in my county, and due to poor planning, everyone has cars of course.
i guess this is a teeny question at this point, but what the hell was she talking about?

3 09 2008
AnneinWA

I haven’t seen a link to this site posted…and I truly am TRYING to ignore the head-spinning baby stories. You read, view the pictures and decide for yourself.

“Palin is Trig’s Grandmother”

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3482blog/&blogId=3482

3 09 2008
joy - fl

This is great blog – totally off topic, but check this out

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/lieberman-in-06-i-will-he_n_123541.html

Say no to palin

3 09 2008
Merle

“….understand that the “Alaska First” mentality is very real, and that Sarah Palin was born and raised with this mentality and has a fierce loyalty and dedication to all things Alaskan…..”

Can you expand on this a bit, maybe? Sarah was born in Idaho, which I believe is where her father, Chuck Heath, is from. Her mother Sally is from Washington. I’m not quibbling about when and where she was born or became old and aware enough to adopt the attitudes she displays as an adult. She comes from a very close, traditional family background and so her most ingrained attitudes would logically spring from that same environment. We hear that at one of the two most significant men in her life, her husband Todd, was a member of the AIP. What about the other?

3 09 2008
bwilder

Keep writing please!
You may end up being our only source of real info if McMuffin gets
his way and scares the MSM into backing off.

So we are all supposed to just take his word for it that the former
Miss Wasilla is capable of managing “the outside” should his holiness
drop dead?

3 09 2008
Ana Gama

Thanks for the explanation of the AIP. I can appreciate that life in AK is much different than in the rest of the country, and can also understand how political thought has evolved.

That said, most people here in the lower 48 are not going to spend the time to try to ‘get it.’ Judgements will be made swiftly on a bit of information, and honestly, I think this is going to be an Achilles heal for Palin.

In taking the VP spot, she has to put ALL Americans first, not just Alaskans. I wonder how much of the US she has seen, traveled. I know she went to college in Idaho. I know Idaho is a “small” state, too, and they have their own quirks.

My dad, who has been a McCain fan for a long time, heard about the AIP ties to Palin last night on CNN. Dad is in his 70’s, a Korean war era vet. Let me say, he is totally PISSED at McCain, and more importantly, McCain has most likely lost dad’s vote. Dad likened McCain’s choice of Palin as bordering on treasonous. He said, “That old coot has lost his mind.”

3 09 2008
Sophie

Sounds a lot like Texas to me.

3 09 2008
Susan

Everyone will LOVE THIS!!!

My aunt, who says she is a lifelong Republican (and is voting for McSame) turned out more left than me! I think of myself as very “in the middle” and did mostly fall that way but a little left and libertarian.

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

groundhogday: send those silly pastor things to florida, new york, new jersey. babies, ok. its gotten outta control, except for the myriad of reasonable unanswered questions…. but the pastor stuff? nah, its big.
it brings up the name wright again (not good) but this stuff is more threatening to supporters of Israel in the now-times.

3 09 2008
Bettex99

Palmdale CA

I am from Seattle and have been a captive in Texas for 20 years, I married a foreigner. Being from Seattle we had close ties to Alaskans and Alaska. My adopted aunt Ruth was the owner of The House of Wickersham in Juneau. Last of the Sourdoughs she was. I now understand her a bit better. When Texans talk of suceeding, i always ask, what about all the gummit subsidies y’all get? I guess they can always apply for foreign aid. Great Goop on the AIP they can compare notes with our local nutters squatting up in the eastern Tx woods

3 09 2008
Faye H.

From the Washington Post:

Brewing Conflict for McCain and Press
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html?hpid=topnews

3 09 2008
Susan

Let’s try that again…hopefully the link will work this time

YOU WILL LOVE THIS

3 09 2008
A Beer for MF

Is this why Palin jumped on an airplane when her water broke? Did the baby have to be born on Alaskan soil?

3 09 2008
Susan

Damn….try it this way😉 http://politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

3 09 2008
John Doe

However benign one might portray the AIP as being, they seek to secede from the U.S. While there may be a “records problem” about Sarah Barracuda having been a member, the YouTube videos that show her addressing their convention certainly go out of their way to show her expressing warmth and admiration for the movement and wishing them every success with their aims. In case it doesn’t actually occur to you, what they’re proposing is technically sedition, which is a damned strange thing for someone running for V.P. of the USA to be involved in, particularly under the hypocritical “Country First” rubric. I mean, come on, Joe Voegler was murdered while trafficking in plastic explosives (which nobody needs for removing tree stumps), something that smells of domestic terrorism when viewed in context. If this stuff was on Obama’s resume, the Right would be atomizing him with it, yet the GOP seems to spin on an ethical dime, whatever the issue, turning any anti-patriotic sentiment into some kind of hyper-patriotic one! The fact that this woman was nominated for a position like this scares the living hell out of me. “Vetting? Vetting? We don’t need no stinkin’ vetting” seems to be the reaction of the Republican base, and wow, base it IS.

3 09 2008
PalinGate

GOP’s Internal Talking Points For Delegates About Palin Family

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/gops_internal_talking_points_f.php

3 09 2008
Susan

Umm…forgot to say…..click on “take the test” in upper left hand corner.🙂

3 09 2008
PalinGate

GOP’s Internal Talking Points For Delegates About Palin Family

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi/27794

3 09 2008
Corie

I don’t think McCain’s intimidation of the mainstream media is working:

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/angry_amateurs.html#comments

Maybe this won’t come down to questions of experience or bad decision-making but of temperament. Maybe McCain is just too much of a hothead for the job. If he can’t handle the pressure of this, can he really handle a national crisis?

3 09 2008
Meleana

Alaska Republican:

Yikes! See what happens when you go get lunch!

The Akaka Bill is named for its author, Senator Daniel Akaka from Hawaii.

3 09 2008
Cynthia, TX

Looks like Alaska get’s a cut of the wind fall profit taxes from “Big Oil” why don’t we

Welcome to the People’s Republic of Alaska, where every resident this year will get a $3,200 payout, thanks in no small measure to the efforts of Sarah Palin, the state’s Republican governor. That’s $22,400 for a family of seven, like Palin’s. Since 1982, the Alaska Permanent Fund, which invests oil revenues from state lands, has paid out a dividend on invested oil loot to everyone who has been in the state for a year. But Palin upped the ante by joining with Democrats and some recalcitrant Republican state legislators to share in oil company windfall profits, further fattening state tax revenue and permitting an additional payout in tax funds to residents.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080915/scheer

3 09 2008
tspey

SHHHH Cynthia.😮 Not so loud. Though the loopyness of our politicos and the 6 months of winter may put a damper on a big northern migration of Americans.

3 09 2008
AnneinWA

Corie (15:55:52)

Thanks for the link to Joe Klein’s story. Maybe the MSM will step-up and cover this story, even they they anger the Maverick!

3 09 2008
Ana Gama

BREAKING NEWS ON TROOPER-GATE

The Troopers Union in AK is filing suit against Governor Palin for violating her ex-BIL’s rights! Just heard it on MSNBC! Stay tuned.

What do we call this one…. Trooper-Gate Chapter II??

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

johndoe-
oh yeah, but obama met a guy who was 60’s radical when he was like 3. definitely guilty.
AIP, no big deal.
base, yes. good one.

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

pawlenty: she is qualified to talk to sams club voters

whaaaa?
maybe that where they get the voting machines, but an awful put down on so many levels.

anybody remember the “trailer trash pie” incident on faux news?

3 09 2008
Ana Gama

OBAMA SUPPORTERS!

Please make a donation tonight when Sarah takes the podium.

http://www.barackobama.com

PASS THIS AROUND!

3 09 2008
LaughingAt...

i am so on that, ana.
like a badge of honor!

i walked around with my brandy-new Obama-Biden canvas bag today that i got from Buzzflash.com and everyone wanted to talk about sarah. seems people here aren’t actually all that impressed with fred thompson, or skinning a moose. seems they are a mite insulted. they want their candidates to have actual experience, AND be vetted.
i was so good you guys, like yeah, ok baby, whatever, BUT, what about the AIP, trooper, etc etc. it was jaw-dropping. theirs to hear whats going on, mine that people outside of our 2-D world aren’t reading about this.

3 09 2008
Faye H.

This blog is the most addictive thing on the interwebs.

From NY Times:

In Speech, Palin to Fire Back at Critics
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/us/politics/04repubday.html?hp

3 09 2008
CRFLATS

AKM–I know you probably can’t read all the fast and furious responses, but as a fellow (and umpteen-generation rural Alaskan) I want to thank you for your narratives on all things Alaskan and Alaskans. You have us nailed. I now longer feel such a stranger in our strange land.

Everybody else–YES! Hit the Obama Donate button when Sarah hits the stage. I know I will.

3 09 2008
CJS

Umm, why would anyone be surprised that she focused on Alaska when asked the question about VP while she was governor of Alaska, and before she was VP pick – or necessarily even had good odds on being the VP pick? That was the politically astute answer.

3 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

I got the Obama Donate site up now. Just waiting for her to take the stage!

3 09 2008
Ennealogic

Gahh… y’all have to slow down! I can’t keep up with the new entries on this blog and the links that everyone is providing and cook dinner at the same time!
🙂 I feel more at home here than anywhere else on the ‘net. When the Palin nightmare is over, I’m going to seriously miss this place.

3 09 2008
clem

Well done, thanks for writing this! Very helpful for those of us in the states.😉

3 09 2008
galwhohashadenough!

I will be giving to Obama when Palingate hits the stage too!!! Keep up the great work mudflats! I’m as addicted as everyone else..thanks for giving us an insight seen nowhere else in the blogoshpere.

3 09 2008
Let'sGetReal

Isn’t the lady now speaking, the ex-ceo of HP? She is an arrogant %*$)%! The one that said, she met with 50 Dems, and Hillary’s brother was there, and the 50 Dems were going to go out and get busy for John McCain’s campaign.

3 09 2008
Gerry

What a source of reliable info.
If it is true that she is flying home tonight I don’t think she will have much of the seclusion she seeks. Seems there might be more press corps there right now than in Washington. If she is asked to leave the ticket, choses to leave the ticket or stays on and Republicans are defeated how will she face those in the State where she lives and works. I come from a small town – people have very long memories and are not very forgiving. She is proving to be an embarrassment.
Big question………if she does not end up being VP (God forbid), is she still your Gov.? When would she face re-election.

3 09 2008
How Insane Is John McCain

Hi everyone, I’m trying to compile a comprehensive list of Sarah Palin scandals. I would love some help! I think I got most of the big stuff, but it’s been tough to keep up.

3 09 2008
choochmac

Been lurking here since the drama began and just wanted to add my thanks. I hope this doesn’t sound patronizing, but this AK education is more entertaining than any of my Tivo’d shows. I can’t get off the computer! Will add to the Obama money bomb! However good the entertainment, I don’t want four years of it. Thanks again.

3 09 2008
CRFLATS

Oh, hell! I can’t afford it, but made 2 donations and the speech isn’t over yet. I encourage all Alaskans to get on that Obama donation button. Get the ol’ Alaska Zip code in there before she leaves the stage.

She just repeated her Bridge to Nowhere lie!

3 09 2008
swineprincess

I grew up in Texas and there was always that undercurrent of Secessionism… or just dividing up into five states. Hell,
someone even wrote a book or two about it.

Alaska doesn’t exactly have a corner on this market — visit Texas Secession for a similar eye opener. They provide a link to the Registry of North American Separatist Organizations – nothing scary here – just a few dozen organizations from Sea to Shining Sea (and a few in Canada as well) who want OUT. Sooooo it would seem that there are more than a handful of crackpots around that think that the good ole USofA (and occasionally Canada) has much less to offer than independent country-hood. The fact that the current nominee for VeeP is one of those crackpots (or possibly just married to one of those crackpots) is more than a little frightening… this is rapidly turning from soap opera to horror show.

3 09 2008
Alaskan Republican

I just want everyone to know, she can’t cut taxes in AK, because we don’t HAVE state taxes in AK!!!

3 09 2008
Gerry
3 09 2008
gwbimpeached

Last week I was glued to C-SPAN watching the DNC day and night so happy and so proud. Unfortunately, I woke up last Friday morning to the horror of Palin. This joke isn’t funny-it’s scary! I’m convinced that Palin is being used by the GOP to secure the PWT (poor-white-trash) vote. I’m just hoping that the PWT’s of our country will be all locked in their trailers, face down in their vomit while clutching their huntin’ rifle’s on Nov. 4th as Obama wins! Thank you Mudflats for public service you’ve provided. It’s been very enlightening!

4 09 2008
John Doe

nothing scary here – just a few dozen organizations from Sea to Shining Sea (and a few in Canada as well) who want OUT.

I agree, not that scary. What is scary however, is a Vice Presidential candidate (and in the case of running with McCain, she might as well be called a Presidential candidate) who is involved in a sedition movement against the country she seeks to lead. That is beyond bizarre, it’s your typical Republican hypocrisy!

4 09 2008
More gems from Palin Country « Splintered Sunrise

[…] the indispensable Mudflats brings us useful background on the Alaskan Independence Party and the Alaska First […]

4 09 2008
Chicago

Thanks for the detailed info on AIP.

Question: when we were touring your beautiful state in the back of a van hauling live chickens along a dusty, disused railway track (McCarthy bound to Wrangall St Elias), the driver told us of the unofficial motto: Gun, God and_____. It wasn’t ‘gays’ but for the last several years, I’m darned if I can remember what the 3rd item was.

Keep up your vital work! Do they give Pulitzers for blogs?

4 09 2008
speedingpullet

Argh!

I SO want to reach into my TV screen and wring Andrea Mitchell’s scrawny neck!!!!!!

This is the SECOND TIME TODAY that she’s simply rolled over when some GOP talking head starts comparing Palin’s record to Obama’s.

Geeze, girl – with all the hoopla, you’d think Sarah Palin is running for President!
Maybe its escaped your attention that Palin is running against Joe BIDEN!
Maybe you could do some, you know, journalism stuff, and correct the ‘talking point mafia’ when they start doing that Obama/Palin comparisons?

Point out that the two records that should be compared are the Gov of AK vs the Sen from DE?

Unless – as I’m beginning to suspect – Palin will actually be the Prez. God knows, her nomination has completly sucked the air out of McCain’s speech tonight.

Anyway, totally OT – appols.

I needed to vent.

4 09 2008
Under The Hill

If the Alaskans wanted to go independent from the USA, good luck defending it against Russia.

Russia wanted it back. All of it. Russia doesn’t care for independence for Alaskans.

6 09 2008
yourinfo

——–PLEASE HELP —- PLEASE HELP —-

—-PLEASE READ ALL OBAMA SUPPORTER —–VERY VERY IMPORTANT —

Hello, my name is Johnson

I was watching C-span Saturday morning at about 10:45 and a man by the name of Cliff Kincaid,

was on there sprewing lies about Obama being a communist and many other bad names..

Please investigate this information at the website :

http://www.usasurvival.org

or both

http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/hawaii-obama.pdf

Please send a reply that you receive my important email. I will also
be checking Obama website for additional information.

The GOP is starting a swift-boat smear campaign and a attack on the new media…

I hope Obama/Biden will speak with strong voice …not softball responses

Please help me to find answer to this trouble information

Thank you

Please send a email to Obama at watchdog@barackobama.com

I have send him one email and I will keep sending it everyday at least 5-10 times a day until I get a reply…

12 09 2008
kvass

Perhaps because of a lax MSM a new “King of Gonzo: might emerge.

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